Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats around the world..?
We're pretty crap, not surprisingly. The latest OECD figures for c-secs I've seen were 2005, anyone seen 2006? We had a higher rate of c-secs in 2005 than the US. Try a search for OECD figures, they're pretty eye opening. J - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats around the world..? Hi All, I was wondering how Australia compares to rest of world re interventions into birth. I know its pretty *up there* on the grand scale but can anyone give me some other countries - either on the lower end or higher end above us. My guess is USA very high??Netherlands/Austria/New Zealand?? down the low end. This is just to use is I'm asked in my CBE class! Many thanks, Kristin -- A find engine rather than a search engine - for websites, images, maps more. Try live.com now! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Canadian Coalition for Breech Birth
http://web.mac.com/breechbirth/iWeb/Site/Welcome.html Good stuff!! For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Elective c-section article
What irresponsible bullshit is this. Someone is telling a lot of lies to women and articles like this are normalising them and spreading them further. Choice schmoice. Is it just My Choice to drink till paralytic when pregnant? To refuse to use a car seat? To lie down in the middle of the road and hope cars don't hit me when I'm pregnant? To have no brakes on my car? The reality is that this woman had unnecessary surgery which had three times the likelihood of killing her or the baby, a massive risk of losing her uterus, PND, being unable to establish a breastfeeding relationship, PTSD, and the myriad of other wellknown risks from all the drugs and crap put into her and her baby. She may have the dubious right to demand unnecessary surgery in obstetrics but does she have the right to also inflict this on her child? So if we want to call it choice, would that be her child's choice? We need to get back our outrage at the innately pathological act that is cutting into perfectly healthy bodies for no reason. Endangering our lives and that of our babies isn't just a choice or a right it's a supremely selfdestructive act within a powerfully misogynist context that has left us with the utterly appalling hospital system we have. Let's all have colostomy bags fitted so we don't have to be so uncivilised as to defecate. Perhaps we could be fed via tubes to avoid eating and swallowing? This stuff is the very acme of disgusting. J - Original Message - From: suzi and brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Elective c-section article Who wants to be civilised ? This is our chance to be gorgeously uncivilised, raunchy and wild ! But i do respect her right to choose what she feels is best for her. Suzi - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Elective c-section article http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3614 I just read this article on why a woman chose an elective c-section. She refers to it as being the civilised way to give birth. How awful and I can't believe it was published. Sam. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife...
It's about $2500 in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth and up to $3000-4000 in Melbourne and Sydney. Individual variations within that are common so you need to ask each MW as you're considering her. Some health funds also cover part, at least, of midwifery care. HTH, J - Original Message - From: Amanda W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife... I am in Brisbane I am just asking this question for someone I know is looking for one in Ararat. I wouldn't have a clue what midwives charge in Brisbane.sorryI work at a very large tertiary hospitalif only I could be an IM Amanda Ward Creative Memories Consultant Ph. (07) 3261 4354 Mob, 0417 009 648 Email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: catherine whelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwife... Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:14:40 +1100 Hello Amanda, can you please tell me what midwives charge in your area for helping a woman who wants her baby at home? regards cw From: Amanda W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwife Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:49:13 +1000 Looking for a midwife in Araratsee post below Can anyone help? Hi! I am seeking a home birth midwife or doula in Ararat (in between Horsham and Ballarat) or nearby to help me with our greatly anticipated 4th child. I have very quick labours. I have never used any form of pain med or intervention, however, after the first birth the obgyn's all pushed the option of inducing due to their concerns that I might not make it (when I lived in Melb the hospital was 30+ minutes away), and to be honest the births were not as delightful as the first due to all the intervention. I am now located a 5 minute walk from the hospital in case of emergency. I had my other children happily with me at the births previously. I would dearly love a homebirth so that I can enjoy the natural experience without 5 different medical staff members staring at my genital region every 2 minutes and grumbling that the kids were there though happy and fascinated with the process. I left the hospital after 14 hours for my second child and about 17 for my third, only staying that long under duress. If anyone is able to help me, please contact me via PM or reply to this message. I am due in October, so am getting in nice and early. Take care Gen Amanda Ward Creative Memories Consultant Ph. (07) 3261 4354 Mob, 0417 009 648 Email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau; _t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide% 2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2F ai%5F838588_t=757768878_r=endtext_simple_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D23769_t=754951090_r=endtext_lavalife_dec_meet_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] hb MW Gisborne, Vic
Hi all, anyone able or willing to support a woman birth at home in Gisborne? : ) J For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre
It reminds me of the article a couple of years ago criticising the lower rate of epidurals in Tassie. Some of us think that's good ; ) I hope this woman gets some debriefing and FWIW I always tell hospy birthing mamas to birth in the loo although perhaps not directly into the toilet itself... I wonder why she couldn't just catch the baby? Whatever. More media crap about the dangers of birth. Of course if she'd been at home.. The ambulance is probably a good indication that this birth was being viewed as a medical emergency : ) J - Original Message - From: Stephen Felicity To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre Yep. A fast, intense birth can be traumatic; but it's also a healthy, normal event regardless. It all sounds a bit ridiculous and comical. Personally I'd be thankful for the privacy and lack of intervention that birthing in a toilet provides! The comment about not even being offered a panadol suggests the Mama wanted a managed (medicated) birth and perhaps she's distressed that she didn't get that; maybe in time it will become something she is thankful for, instead. A healthy undrugged baby born effectively from a healthy undrugged woman (even if into a toilet) is a wonderful thing! :) - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre Oh Puleeeze!!! Talk about over dramatising. Many many bubs enter the world in toilets as we all know - while I feel sympathy that this woman was unprepared for a very fast birth, I feel for the midwives who are being blamed for this very normal turn of events. Sue - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre Mum gives birth in toilet Jane Metlikovec January 24, 2007 12:00am A MOTHER says her baby daughter was born in a hospital toilet bowl and had to be rescued after staff ignored her screams for help. Kay, 24, was in the final stages of labour when she was rushed by ambulance to Monash Medical Centre on Tuesday last week. In a statement to the Herald Sun yesterday, the hospital said it regretted the birth did not go according to plan. At the hospital, the Mt Waverley mother of two was told to wait in a standard share room instead of being directed to a birthing suite, despite having contractions fewer than two minutes apart. A midwife saw me when I came in and pressed on my stomach once. Nobody checked if I was dilated. I didn't even get offered a Panadol, Kay said. An hour after arriving, distressed and screaming in agony, she went to the toilet, where she gave birth to a girl. Her husband Michael, who had become frantic, had hit an emergency buzzer in panic to try to get help, but he said none came in time so he kicked down the locked door and ran in, pulling the infant from the toilet bowl. Kay said she was terrified her daughter could have died, and described the ordeal as horrific. I thought she could have been seriously hurt, or worse. If it wasn't for Michael coming to my aid, I don't know what the result would have been, Kay said. It was the most traumatic thing we have had to go through. I would have thought it would have been one of the happiest times of our lives, but it was terrible. Kay said Michael pressed the emergency buzzer three times, but no one responded until after a nearby caterer alerted medical staff. When someone finally came, Michael asked why it took so long and they told him the buzzer didn't work, Kay said. I was completely shocked. It is an emergency buzzer. This was an emergency. But the director of nursing at Monash Medical Centre, Kym Forrest, said in a statement to the Herald Sun: The buzzers were checked and both were working. The obstetrician and midwives were in fact alerted to the baby's arrival by the buzzer being sounded from Kay's room. Ms Forrest also denied the door had been kicked in. It is a dual lock which can be opened from both sides and this was the way access was achieved, she said. But Kay said the toilet cubicle, complete with broken door, looked like a murder scene. There was blood everywhere. I was screaming. It was just horrible, she said. The couple are seeking a formal apology, but Ms Forrest said they had not lodged a formal complaint with the hospital. We regret that Kay did not have the birth experience our midwives strive to provide to all the mums in their care, Ms Forrest said. We
[ozmidwifery] hb mw byron bay?
Hi all, I have a couple of enquiries atm for Byron. Who's local? : ) TIA, J For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses...
Birthlove is gone gone gone. Utterly tragic. A lot of the same info is on Joyous Birth though and we're always eager for more. : ) - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses... I havnt been able to access birthlove for months. I miss it so much! I give all the the Doulas that attend my training , The Birth Partner by Penny Simkin, you can get some great deals for it on Amazon. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] short doula/labour support courses... Hi Tania, If she joins up with www.birthlove.com, it costs $29.95 I think, they offer a free online doula course. It is pretty good. They have a topic a month and you can also access the archives. Otherwise, tell her to jump on www.joyousbirth.info as she will find an abundance of great info there. Love Abby Tania Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a friend who is not a midwife, and she has been asked to be the labour support person at a close friend's birth. She has birthed three times herself, twice at home, and is a lovely gentle, practical woman, who I'm sure will be perfect for the job. She feels that she'd like to have some kind of 'formal' training, even if it's just a workshop, and I'm wondering if there is anything like that available here in Australia. She'd be fine with something online or via correspondence, but doesn't really need to do the full doula course. I've suggested she attends some of the fine active birth workshops here in Adelaide that are run by the local yoga centres, and that appealed too. Any other ideas? Thanks Tania -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 18/01/2007 6:47 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Farewell ~ wasRe: [ozmidwifery] where has this list gone?
Your POV is always welcomed by me, and we don't actually agree on everything contrary to popular belief. Those nasty emails are hard to understand but you're not alone in receiving them. How honoured I am to keep your input at JB. Ozmid's loss. Very sad. J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] job
Townsville is in desperate need of IMs. I believe there's one newly on the scene there atm? Out of interest, has anyone been sued since the insurance rubbish began? J - Original Message - From: Anke Dalman To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] job Thank you Wendy, Homebirths would be ideal, but not at this present time due to litigation worries. Going into hospital is no deal either. As a hospital midwife there was no autonomy and there are no visiting rights and no insurance. I am in Townsville at the moment. Thanks Anke
Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations?
Personally, I see it in a far wider context where birth, pregnancy and breastfeeding are just all aspects of women's lives and are thus constrained by a lack of genuine choice and yet many potential pacifiers and hoops to jump through. I can't approach birth on it's own because it's merely a reflection of all else in our lives. So many women still have little economic or personal power within families, we are survivors of all manner of violence in all manner of situations, we are trained to oppress ourselves and hate our female bodies. It's a wonder to me that some women see through this for whatever reason and pursue truly nurturing choices for themselves and their babies instead of doing what gets the biggest pat on the head. I cannot see birth without seeing the rest of our lives. Sometimes in Joyous Birth we joke that the last thing we're about is birth. Not that we don't provide immense amounts of information, we just don't isolate it but put it in that wider context. Once we make empowered decisions in the rest of our lives, we naturally make them in birth and breastfeeding. Once we are supported we have enough to maintain us through the intensity of early parenting without falling prey to sleep trainers and formula manufacturers. So while the forces against us are are multi-pronged and powerful, some of the solution can be simple. And I stop myself going mad, as I answer yet another question about how VBAC is safer, induction sux, breasts make enough milk with enough stimulation by debriefing and retaining a sense of humour. Feminists are funny - or we'd be mad with grief all the time. Each time one woman makes a decision that saves her life and her mental health, there is a ripple effect. Hopefully those will grow. : ) - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? Hi, I have become fairly philosophical about it (I guess I have to for self preservation!) I think that if a woman has grown up, been socialised in this culture and is now an adult, I have to be accepting of the decision she makes. If nothing in her 30 years (or whatever) has taught her to take responsibility for her own decisions, has taught her to trust her own body, or has led her to believe that breastfeeding is something worth doing, nothing I say will probably change her mind, but still, I will speak up for natural birth and breastfeeding. And sometimes something I may say or do might have resonance with a woman and contribute a little to her decision making. Barb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? To me the way women (society) veiws pregnancy reflects the current trend to rush for medical assistance in any situation. Common colds, neck pain, constipation, insomnia, depression, obesity, you name it. Instead of looking within at underlying emotional issues, considering diet, toxins such as refined foodstuffs, stress, chemicals.whatever, you get my drift, the list is long. Any way instead of resolving the underlying causes or problems there is an increasing tendance to run for a fix-up, a suppression of symptoms. I see too often pregnancy considered by women as a medical problem to be managed. What do some do the minute they think they are pregnantmake an appointment with a doctor for confirmation...and so it begins. Do the doctors tell them that evidence concludes midwives to be the specialists in nornmal maternity care? Yeah right! In society the common assumption is the highest scientifically qualifed person must be the best one for the job. Interesting what you say about having already paid up front and not wanting to loose out financially having already paid an Obs...THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS! I am personally in favour of women changing streams of care whatever their gestation. Just my ramblings Wendy - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:11 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How do you deal with your fustrations? Hi Rachael, I sometimes share your frustrations in wondering why on earth women choose OB's to care for them - particularly when they whinge about them so much! However what women are after is continuity of care because they want some feeling of certainty over who is going to be with them when they birth in short it gives them a feeling of security and the other main reason is the perceived quality of the care because an OB is regarded in Australia as the highest qualified of anyone to deal with pregnancy and
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac didn't happen
I'm sorry to hear that, Cath. Next baby she is in a really big pickle now : ( Some nurturing in order for you and for her I think. With love and strength, J - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vbac didn't happen Hi everyone, My friend had a baby boy last night by c.s. I have spoken with her this morning. After being seen by a wonderful midwife from this list, she rang and cancelled the caeser booking for yesterday morning and went into what sounds good labour after a sweep. . She couldn't talk much about details , but sounded happy with her baby boy called Riley, who was 8lb1 and 54 cms. He has breastfed beautifully, thank goodness. By the gist of the short story , was examined and told to push and wasn't fully. AH. Then told to breathe through etc etc, re examined hours later 6cm. I'm so over women being put through this crap. God I wish people would learn to trust womens bodies and stop fiddling. Why can't they wait until pushy signs happen!! Of course I have n't said anything to her just venting here about this.She sounded tired and a bit spaced out, having regular peth and will talk more when she is out of hospital. She is pleased that she laboured and had no analgesia throughout. It's just a damn pity that she needed the section in the end. I'm off to work a late shift, wish me luck, Cath
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed
Has she been in touch with the women from Birthrites? Someone could support her to just stay home until labour is established which sounds about the only way she will achieve a vaginal birth. I hate how women are put in these appalling positions. J - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed resending this and hoping it gets to the list. - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: help needed I have a good friend from Kununurra who has gone to Perth who is 9 days post dates and wishing desperately for a vbac. She is seeing the clinic at Osborne park and has had a show and periods of niggling and sporadic contractions for the past few days. Has been told today to come in for c/section tomorrow at 0630 and the staff are refusing to to a sweep and stretch ( even though the Reg said to have one 1 week ago) I have advised castor oil and to question why tomorrow. They have mentioned fluid levels dropping, but haven't done anything about that- sounds like scary medical tactics to me. Has anyone got any ideas, I would like to be there to do a sweep but I'm in Victoria. Thanks Cath
Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids
The cream is really good and can be kept in the fridge for extra soothing. I've not heard of painful burning but a little warming feeling apparently. HTH - Original Message - From: suzi and brett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids Some women have complained to me that the witch hazel tincture burns so much they cant bear it...have you heard of that prob? There is also that thick Witch hazel barrier cream. Also warm compress in labour is supportive. Suzi - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:35 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids My naturopath out me on something called Phytopro by Metagenics. I take 2 3 times a day and they are gone within 1-2 days. When I stop taking them they come back. I only have them during pg and shortly after so not long to go know but they have been great. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 12:59 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids Tissue salts are really effective and available in most health food shops, topical witchazel is excellent too. J - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids Hi everyone, Just needing some help for a friend who is 36/40 with very painful haemorroids. Is there anything that can be done apart from symptomatic relief and not becoming constipated? And in your experience how painful do women find them when they are pushing? Thanks in advance Michelle Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Dr Jose Villars and pre-eclampsia
Lea said: Even though they are referring to new ways of treating with drugs, I think both these articles actually point to nutrition having a huge effect. If they are finding that Evidence suggests that the disorder is triggered when the fetus is not able to absorb sufficient amounts of oxygen from the placental blood supply... then what is it that would enable better ability to absorb oxygen from the placental blood supply?...good nutrition - which allows a healthy placenta to develop. So Dr Tom Brewer's idea that pre-eclampsia can be avoided by excellent nutrition during pregnancy still holds true as we find out more and more about the condition from studies. Well that's what I think but fans of this doctor stuff keep telling me that all it proves is that nutrition is absolutely nothing to do with PE and Brewer is a crank. I don't see many women whose surgeons tell them how to eat to avoid PE but I see a lot of midwifery input in this. Very interesting and ta for the articles!! J
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Is there any chance of a complete list being collated? Consumers would find that very useful : ) J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? J - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want to state that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth control for the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises. thanks in advance Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids
Tissue salts are really effective and available in most health food shops, topical witchazel is excellent too. J - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids Hi everyone, Just needing some help for a friend who is 36/40 with very painful haemorroids. Is there anything that can be done apart from symptomatic relief and not becoming constipated? And in your experience how painful do women find them when they are pushing? Thanks in advance Michelle Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements. Recently one of my moderators did some research on achieving fertility again while breastfeeding so she came up with a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article. Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the problems for many people. Most people don't understand anything about bf in the first place, as we all know ; ) Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a member with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2 years and with no signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of refs but some great ones : ) * Feeding EBM by bottle (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea+fertilityhl=engl=auct=clnkcd=30) * Supplementing feeds (formula or solids) * Increased use of pacifiers * Feeding on schedule instead of on demand * Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night) * Waiting until bub is 6mths or older * Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no comfort sucking) * Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less (McNeilly AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H. Fertility after childbirth: pregnancy associated with breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73., http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html) * Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson JM, Dewey KG. Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea among USA women with prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26(4):517-27., http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html) * Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the day (Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method) * Be separated from your child for more than 3 hours a day (Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to Couple League International, 1999, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method) And what if you're a co-sleeping, fully BFing, no pacifier, BF on demand mumma? How long will it be until your period returns? Average return of menses for women following all [...] criteria is 14 months, with some reports as soon as 2 months and others as late as 42 months. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method Of course, once your period does return, continuing breastfeeding can still affect your chances of conception. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7761906) Reference pages - very eclectic mix some ok, some good http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method http://www.fhi.org/training/en/modul...references.htm (lots of references for articles on lactational amenorrhea, if you want to do more research) http://www.fhi.org/training/en/modul...getstarted.htm http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea+fertilityhl=engl=auct=clnkcd=30
[ozmidwifery] Dr Jose Villars and pre-eclampsia
Hi, I'm looking online for this man's work and can't find anything much but a mention at the US patent office. This makes me suspicious but anyway... Apparently the thrust of his work is that nutrition has no effect on pre-eclampsia, something with which I cannot agree. But I can't find his work to read! The preeclampsiafoundation.org people like him but their site is solely surgeon-driven and that too I don't like! Anyone help me? Very grateful : ) J For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthing options in Albury/Wodonga
Her safest option (as ever) is a hb and this is available in A/W. There is a really high rate of c-sec in the local hospitals. J - Original Message - From: Kate and/or Nick To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthing options in Albury/Wodonga Hi I have a friend having her first baby in the A/W area. She's asking me questions about what her care options are, and I have no idea what's on offer there. Can anyone give me a quick rundown on maternity care in the A/W region? Thanks Kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream
Here are some useful sources for the risks of epidurals. Funny how women are told to avoid alcohol and soft cheeses in pregnancy but encouraged to imbibe powerful and dangerous drugs in labour. Drugs in labour twenty years hence. http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...ugsinlabour.asp epidural information http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/epirisks.html A little excerpt Quote: Generally, it is true to say the epidurals are a safe and effective method of relieving pain in labour - but safe does not mean risk free - the risks are there - it is wrong to say there are none (re the hospital employed childbirth educator) See Thorp, J.A. Breedlove, G (1996) Epidural Analgesia in Labour: An evaluation of Risks and Benefits 23(2) 63-83. for a good review of the literature. . hypotension 12 - 23% . maternal fever - (then unnecessary antibiotic therapy - then the yeast infection - then.) one study cited an increase of 0.07 Celsius rise per hour exposure to epidural anesthesia. another reported 5% of fetuses reached cores temp in excess of 4Celsius, another found a statistically significant increase in maternal temps 38C associated with EA. . inadvertent spinal ( and headache to follow - which a blood patch does not always cure - the incidence depends on skill of operator July - new residents - expect a huge increase in spinals in the teaching hospitals. ) . pruritus, nausea and vomiting. (no numbers here - but more likely with spinals) . backache - significant more women c/o backache following EA (RR 1. . fluid overload- ?pulmonary edema??? . infection from epidural site . resp arrest . anaphylaxis . nerve damage Henci Goer on epidurals http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...a=adid=16053332 Epidurals: can they impact breastfeeding? http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...0,,h1nz,00.html Epidurals: real risk for mother and baby - Sarah Buckley http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/sarah02.html The Epidural Express: Real Reasons Not to Jump On Board by Nancy Griffin, M.A., AAHCC http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/Epidural.html Medical Risks of Epidural Anesthesia During Childbirth http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmepidural.htm - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Hello, Can anyone point me to a medical source or evidence which proves that epidural anaesthesia enters the bloodstream? Someone in my forums has said she has tried to find medical sources but can't find them anywhere. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey
Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery
I have to ask...why would one chose this model of care? It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take them somewhere they can't provide you with it? Most of the women I've seen do it are basically too chicken to stand up to their families or partners and demand what they really want - a homebirth. It seems a waste of skills to me but if a woman had a genuine medical need to be in a hospital it might be a better option than the luck of the draw she'd normally get. Otherwise, hire the MW and STAY HOME, I reckon ; ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne
How very wonderful!!! Welcome earthside wee girl! Love, J x - Original Message - From: Dan Rachael Austin To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Kaede` Anne Hi! I birthed Kaede` Anne yesterday morning at home in water after a gentle night of labour. Born at 38 weeks, she weighed 6 pound 14oz. She is beautiful and adorned by her big brother Rhett. Rhett is going to give her some breastfeeding lessons this PM because she is having trouble getting it right! :) Love, Rachaelxx _ Dan Rachael Austin Namcala 418 Austin's Road Theodore, QLD, 4719 HPh: (07) 49931213 Dan's Mob: 0409896285 Rachael's Mob: 0419750780 Fax: (07) 49931341
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next?
Well a lot of our ideas of low high and appropriate levels of iron come from formula companies trying to make bm out to be defective. The real studies into iron and children are very different. I never understand the logic that people think toddlers need a special food so you have to give them formula when we have prefectly fine toddler food in our breasts. My kid seems to have survived without the benefit of Karicare. [insert vomiting noises] I hate artificial feed companies. J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding is Best, But What Comes Next? That's the full page ad in the back of Melbourne's Child this month.. and the answer? Karicare of course. I think they have it wrong. that's not what the WHO says! J There is also a chart that compares Karicare against other dairy products with regards to sugar levels and they have highlighted that they are 5th down the list - all cows milk above them, flavoured milk and yoghurt under it. I hate too how they flaunt the high levels of iron and that 1 in 3 toddlers has low iron stores.
Re: [ozmidwifery] setting up a website
I've replied offlist : ) J - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] setting up a website Speaking of our independent services... My next adventure is setting up a website. Whose got one and can anyone give me a ballpark figure at how much this is going to cost me, and how long the process can take? Thanks. Kristin (CBE, Naturopath) -- Advertisement: Looking for the latest range of toys available? Go to www.tradingpost.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Alternative GBS
There is considerable literature on the dangers of antibiotics in labour not to mention the added difficulty to the women trying to labour with an IV hanging off them. Antibiotics can also cause thrush which when passed from mother to baby and back again can cause immense difficulties with breastfeeding. It's not as simple as antibiotics are easier than dying of GBS, nothing like it! http://www.joyousbirth.info/articles/gbsnaturalapproach.html - Original Message - From: Diane Gardner To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Alternative GBS A homebirth midwife friend of mine in the USA sent me the douch and garlic recipes a while ago. Here they are: regards Diane Gardner douche: three parts water one part hydrogen peroxide douche before bed four nights in a row having the morning of the fifth day the day of your 'test' (if person is taking the test this gets you a negative result, which is a real result as the h2O2 has killed off all the strep virons in the vagina so the woman is 'good to go' for her birth as well) OR: insert one raw garlic clove vaginally for six nights in a row. Scoring the cloves is best, however, the raw garlic juice can be strong and 'burny' in the vagina. Start with just one or two 'scores' or break surface of the clove with a knife point 2-3 times. See how that feels and go from there, the more scoring or pokes into the surface of the garlic, the more GBS killing takes place. The woman may taste garlic in her mouth after insertion. Some women are really worried and do both, the douche and then insert garlic--THAT combo would REALLY get all GBS microbes for sure!
Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs.
That restriction of practice really bothers me, and I can imagine it would bother midwives who want to provide evidence based care to their clients. Women with breech babies are in an unenviable position in Perth. J Midwives are indemnified by the Govt insurance, but at the cost of more bureaucracy and restricted options. I am not complaining, just pointing out some of the difficulties. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] birth pool
We have one we rent out in JB and are hoping to get more. I haven't seen disposable liners but methylated spirits works to kill everything in labs so we use that. If it's washed by the previous family and the subsequent family and left in the home for a few weeks to load up with friendly normal household bacteria specific to that home it's pretty good. No one's complaining ; ) J - Original Message - From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth pool Does anyone have experience with this type of pool?? Can you get disposable liners ?? Cheers, Di - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] birth pool If any one is interested there is a la bassine birth pool advertised on ebay with a few days to go in the bidding it is only up to $80:00 so far Andrea Q -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs
Brenda's cost suggestions are a lot less than some MWs closer to the city where $3000-4000 is common. - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs Wow thats a significant difference between NSW and Vic, what about elsewhere?? Cheers, Di
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternal Deaths 2000-2002
Chilling stuff to read how many of the women who died having complications most likely related to their previous caesareans. Avoiding that first surgery is key to avoiding so much trauma. J - Original Message - From: LJG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Maternal Deaths 2000-2002 http://www.npsu.unsw.edu.au/MD2002_02%2017%20Oct%202006.pdf -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre Justine, can you clarify what you mean? I don't understand what you're saying. What "greater good" are women losing out to? How long will it last? When will births be reinstated? Who is the driving force behind denying women their intended place and mode of birth and what are their motives? Is MC taking up the cause to fight for the consumers to have access to what they were promised? TIA, J - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre Dear AllRyde Midwifery Group Practice is not closing. For the immediate future all women booked on the RMGP will need to birth at RNS.I believe Ryde Hospital is having some issues and there is a view to remove the RMGP from greater Hosp issues (as the MGP is going beautifully) simply to avoid the MGP being caught up in any political who ha (like happened with Camden -and believe me I know because it was our very effective rally where we stole all of Bob Carrs thunder that got things happening in Camden). The thing with Camden/Campbelltown is when issues are levelled at a Hosp (even unrelated) it makes it very hard to get our work going. This is probably one of the reasons why the Camden model is still birthing in Campbelltown (mad, wrong, etc etc) but a political imperative (according to those with the power).Ryde is too important to the greater maternity reform agenda too lose in unrelated hospital issues. Whilst I am disappointed for the women who are birthing now and will be affected I think sometimes we have to weigh up issues for the greater good.At the same time we need to support the women in the here and now (this is something I have always arued for when bureacrats talk softly softly on reform)There are some options. If any woman wants to stand their ground let us know and we can support her. Otherwise I think we really need to insist that these women have the same facilities they could in Ryde ie access to water etc etc. Obviously they will still have their known midwife.Please let us know if we can assist in advocating for these women as MC was part of the establishment of the Ryde service and we have all the relevant contacts.In solidarityJustine
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth After C-Section Information and Support group.
How excellent, Philippa! Not enough to do with your time? ; ) J - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: Philippa Scott Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth After C-Section Information and Support group. Hello, I am contacting you to let you know that I am forming a Birth after C-Section information and support group. The idea behind this group is to give women (and their partners if they would like to) an opportunity to speak to others that are interested or experienced in VBAC (Vaginal birth after 1 or more C-Sections) and the options available. We will explore the facts, the myths, the fears and the emotions that surround this decision and it will be a supportive place for people to search for answers. We welcome those that are already pregnant and those who are considering their options for a planned pregnancy or anywhere in-between. This group will run once per month unless the group would like to meet fortnightly instead. In order to run in the best interests of all we would prefer that participants give themselves a couple of child free hours to focus on themselves, however we welcome babies. The first gathering will be on Thursday the 23rd of November at 7:30pm. Location - Shop 6/16 Brampton Street, Cranbrook in the Kids in Harmony Centre. RSVP Philippa Scott 47734075 or 0407648349 by the 22nd of November (the meeting will only go ahead if you let me know youre coming) Cost - $10 per person / $15 per couple, concession $8 per person / $12 per couple. Please feel free to pass this invitation along to anyone you think it may benefit. As this is just kicking off your feedback on times and dates is also appreciated. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Regards Philippa ScottBirth Buddies - DoulaAssisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour.President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville This is for The Townsville and Thuringowa region in Queensland, Australia. Some who receive this email will do so because it may be a resource they can direct people to. Thank you.
Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre
I know a couple of MPs but this stuff is rather vague I don't know exactly how to brief them. Anything particularly clear to share with them would be appreciated! : ) J - Original Message - From: sally tracy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre Dear allI might be able to shed a bit of light on Justine's comments. One of the obstacles we had in getting Ryde Midwifery Group Practice up and running was an assurance to the Area health service that there would always be someone (obstetric) capable of doing an emergency CS if necessary at the Ryde hospital - in case of a dire emergency. Needless to say this has never been called upon - but with the troubles of the Ryde General Hospital - the RMGP is drawn into it all unwittingly - because the RMGP can no longer assure the area heath service that an obstetrician can provide that back up at Ryde.Therefore this is really a timely opportunity for the RMGP to reframe the service they are providing and have it ratified by the Area health service - without the nonsense clause that existed in the first proposal. Belmont for example does not have this clause - and I think Ryde midwifery group practice only had it because we had to compromise a on a few fairly benign (we thought at the time) caveats in order to get started. Now we are several years down the track and looking OK - i dont think it will be such a hurdle..so I think Justine is correct is asserting that it will be only a blip in the process - but a process never the less - and for those of you getting these things up and running - there are so many battles to be fought -i guess we have to look at this as just another not insurmountable (but tiresome) hurdle. I do think it would be incredibly helpful if any consumers concerned could take it up with as many people as possible - ie their local member of parliament, the CEO of the Area health Service, the head of Obstetrics at Northern Sydney Health, the NSW Health department , the Australian College of Midwives - anybody who needs to know this isn't good enough best wishesSally t.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Justine, can you clarify what you mean? I don't understand what you're saying. What "greater good" are women losing out to? How long will it last? When will births be reinstated? Who is the driving force behind denying women their intended place and mode of birth and what are their motives? Is MC taking up the cause to fight for the consumers to have access to what they were promised? TIA, J I'm interested to hear the answers to these questions to Janet. Thanks Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre
DATE Wednesday 8 November 2006 Announcing temporary changes to Maternity Services at Ryde Hospital Ry The Ryde Midwifery Group Practice based at Ryde Hospital has successfully offered a low tech, low intervention approach to pregnancy, labour and delivery to suitable women. Unfortunately it has not proven possible to recruit to Ryde Hospital a Career Medical Officer (CMO) with the appropriate skills to assist midwives with the resuscitation of a newborn baby if required. Therefore, effective immediately, all women booked to birth at Ryde will birth instead at Royal North Shore Hospital, in the care of their attending midwife. This is a temporary measure and will be reversed once a suitably skilled CMO is appointed. Please note: · The Ryde Midwifery Group Practice is NOT closing · NSCCH is actively recruiting a career medical officer with suitable skills · Ryde midwives will go to RNSH with Ryde mothers · Mothers will experience exactly the same low intervention style of birthing they would have received at Ryde · All booked in mothers have been informed of this temporary arrangement · Although obstetric emergencies are rare at Ryde, its our responsibility to be prepared, explained Dr Michael Nicholl, Clinical Director of Womens, Childrens and Family Health, North Shore Ryde Health Service. I regret that this short-term arrangement is necessary but labour and delivery can be unpredictable even in low risk situations. Its important to have medical expertise available if required. The safety of mothers and babies is our priority. INFORMATION FOR FAMILIES: Telephone: Media contact: Pat McDermott NSCCH Corporate Communications 9926 6733 / 0413 025 741
Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre
Are there really MWs who can't resus??? Sounds very unlikely to me! What's the "greater good", Justine? I'm more confused than ever. J - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre DATE Wednesday 8 November 2006 Announcing temporary changes to Maternity Services at Ryde Hospital Ry The Ryde Midwifery Group Practice based at Ryde Hospital has successfully offered a low tech, low intervention approach to pregnancy, labour and delivery to suitable women. Unfortunately it has not proven possible to recruit to Ryde Hospital a Career Medical Officer (CMO) with the appropriate skills to assist midwives with the resuscitation of a newborn baby if required. Therefore, effective immediately, all women booked to birth at Ryde will birth instead at Royal North Shore Hospital, in the care of their attending midwife. This is a temporary measure and will be reversed once a suitably skilled CMO is appointed. Please note: · The Ryde Midwifery Group Practice is NOT closing · NSCCH is actively recruiting a career medical officer with suitable skills · Ryde midwives will go to RNSH with Ryde mothers · Mothers will experience exactly the same low intervention style of birthing they would have received at Ryde · All booked in mothers have been informed of this temporary arrangement · Although obstetric emergencies are rare at Ryde, its our responsibility to be prepared, explained Dr Michael Nicholl, Clinical Director of Womens, Childrens and Family Health, North Shore Ryde Health Service. I regret that this short-term arrangement is necessary but labour and delivery can be unpredictable even in low risk situations. Its important to have medical expertise available if required. The safety of mothers and babies is our priority. INFORMATION FOR FAMILIES: Telephone: Media contact: Pat McDermott NSCCH Corporate Communications 9926 6733 / 0413 025 741
Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre
I've tried phoning Ryde but no one's answering either today or yesterday. Can anyone answer the question yet? Is it closing? J - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre Hush Hush is how these things happen. Same is about to happen to Rosebud midwifery but it's being kept quiet because we are 2 weeks from an election it'll "affect the voting " ! How's that ?? With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Happy Hogarths To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] No Births at Ryde Birth Centre Hi, My sister is booked in to Ryde birth centre and has two months to go of her pregnancy. She has just been told that the Obs at Royal North Shore have told the midwives at Ryde that there are to be no more births there until further notice! This was, apparently, with no discussion with the midwives at the birth centre. All women who are booked in there are 'allowed' to receive prenatal care there but 'have to' birth at Royal North Shore so a specialist can be on hand. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!! I am so sick of womens rights in childbirth being taken away. My sister has very few options as she can't afford a homebirth and has now missed out on going to another birth centre. Did anyone know about this? It seems to have been kept very hush hush. Love Abby
[ozmidwifery] Bubhub and Dr Brown's bottle promotions
They could at least abide by the WHO Code. It's not much to ask that sites where women seek support and advice will not offer ads for artificial milk with it's track record of harming babies. Bubhub also has forums devoted to CC and CIO, formula feeding and caesareans. It is also endorsed by Maternity Coalition and ACMI. Strange messages to be sending, hey? J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] testing
http://www.unhinderedliving.com http://www.purebirth-australia.com Both collect stats. : ) J - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] testing You can always check at http://www.mail-archive.com/ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/maillist.html to see if there was any mail you didnt get. I was wondering are there any statistics for planned unassisted birth in low-risk pregnancies published anywhere? Since midwives are not qualified enough to be independent in Croatia (education at high-school level), and obstetricians are not allowed to practice outside of where they work, some women choose to birth at home, unassisted. I wonder if they are putting themselves and their children more at risk then if they choose to birth in hospitals with high intervention rates. Its not black and white, I know, but it would be interesting to see the research. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa BarrettSent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:51 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testing I was thinking the same thing Mary, it must just be quiet. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] testing No mail for days. Is it just quiet? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] International Help
I've got BC and HBstats pulled out of the perinatal data for Australia. I've also got at least one state breakdown. Let me know J From: Jo Watson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] International Help Hi wise women :) Someone on another newsgroup I subscribe to has this request... can anyone help? I am giving a talk on midwifery to a group of obstetricians next week. We are in the US but I am interested in comparing our model of care with other countries. I am having a particularly difficult time finding descriptive statistics on midwifery practice in other countries. I would like to know the percentage of births attended by midwives vs. physicians in the UK, Scandanavia, continental Europe, Australia. A comparison of perinatal outcomes for these countries would also be helfpul. Can anyone help? Note: references for information are essential. Thanks, Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins
http://www.gentlebirth.org/Midwife/miscdisc.html#Vulvar - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vulva varocise veins Can anyone offer another remedy to help ease these besides external witch hazel? Thanks, Kristin 110,000+ cars with the click of a mouse at carsales.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] RANZCOG VBAC pamphlet anyone?
Hi all, I'd like a look at the RANZCOG pamphlet for giving to women interested in VBAC. It's listedon their website but sadly not downloadable. Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Section A Guide for Women.Can anyone give me an executive summary? TIA, J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane Midwife
I know of two but I don't know if they're currently working what with the QNC and all. There are 2 women in JB who've had breech babies at home with MWs in Brisbane. They might know and so would HMA. J - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane Midwife Are there any midwives in Brisbane that attend breech birth? I've had an enquiry Lisa Barrett
Re: [ozmidwifery] High-risk Lovemaking
It's excellent, Vedrana : ) Much cuter than my usual poo analogies! J - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] High-risk Lovemaking Hillarious (on the line of Monty Python and the machine that goes ping): http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/HighRiskLovemaking.htm :D Vedrana
[ozmidwifery] Fw: attachment parented teens
A Joyous Birth member wrote this for her son. It's lovely! I thought you might like to read it : ) Intro: Just remembering the days when I 'attachment parented' one or two children...the comments about how they'll never sleep alone, be independent, stop breastfeedingmaking a rod for my own back...they'll be spoilt etc, I thought you may be interested to read this. Written for The Mother magazine www.themothermagazine.co.uk this was also enclosed in Jake's 16th birthday gift, a copy of Johnathan Livingston Seagull. BOY By Emma Lewis To All The Parents Who Are Being Told Otherwise By Everyone, Take heed; Meet Jake. This is the boy who Everyone said couldnt possibly be born in a house-truck with no running water or electricity. This is the boy who Everyone said I couldnt possibly birth without medical intervention. This is the boy who Everyone said was a high risk pregnancy because I would not eat red meat had a very rare blood group was short with a small shoe size was sooo young (20!!!). This is the boy who Everyone said would never stop breastfeeding sleep alone be independent be able to socialize (when he learned at home). This is the boy who Everyone said was deprived as he didnt get playgroup biscuits grandmas sweets sausages at the village fete. This is the boy who Everyone said would need to leave playgroup because he bit a boy who had been terrorizing him for a year, and I refused to smack him for biting and then it was discovered he wasnt vaccinated I think they thought he was carrying rabies!!! This is the boy who Everyone said would never be any good at maths. This is the boy who Everyone said we were irresponsible to continue travelling with. And This is the boy who was indeed born peacefully in a housetruck. This is the boy who at aged three asked me: What would this be if it wasnt a stone? ?! This is the boy who wanted a present just like the ones on the Christmas cards and was so delighted to receive a gift wrapped in sparkly paper and a bow, the contents were irrelevant. This is the boy who walked and carried backpacks for all the years we were vehicle-free, including at six years old 25+kms daily as we pushed a handcart around New Zealand. This is the boy who would perform Funny Shows to cheer up his siblings when they were hurt or sad. This is the boy who would cuddle his baby siblings to sleep and continue to hold them asleep in his arms (because he knew where babies need to be). This is the boy who waited nine years to be in one place long enough to finally have his yearned-for silkie hens and was so concerned for their well-being and comfort that he slept with them in the newly-built hen-house (Cluckingham Palace) for their first few nights away from their mother. This is the boy who didnt mind at all about having four sisters in a row (after him), despite Everyone saying he should. This is the boy who, at nine years old, merrily and confidently travelled from New Zealand to France with friends for a 6 month adventure so much for never being independent!! This is the boy who wrote, illustrated and published his first conservation-based book at age 11, donating all the proceeds to the trust that helps save the rare penguins he wrote of (www.yellow-eyedpenguin.org.nz). This is the boy who appeared on prime-time national radio and tv, and in newspapers and magazines internationally to promote the book and the penguins plight despite absolutely hating the lime-light. This is the boy who, on starting school (at 11), totally confused and baffled the teachers with his questions, understanding, concepts and knowledge. This is the boy who, on initially being outcast at school, said it was OK because he Liked himself. This is the boy who knows how to seek until he finds the truth. This is the boy who brought home the class award for being a great role model. This is the boy who does just fine at maths thankyou very much (although still believes he cant thanks to those earlier comments!). This is the boy who has attended more joyful, natural births (seven siblings) than most obstetricians, doctors and medical midwives. This is the boy who can stand up to authority when he knows its wrong. This is the boy who leads by example, despite contrary peer pressure. This is the boy who has a really neat bunch of mates. This is the boy who has (currently) found his passion in art, graphics, music and drumming. This is the boy who, at 16, is off for his very first, self-funded, solo adventure back to New Zealand from Australia, where he is being welcomed back to his previous summers employment as he is such a conscientious, well-liked team member, and to socialize with his many, special, varied friends there. Happily. Independently. Freely. Stand strong. Be free. Fly high
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness week...
Can I get those, Jo? J - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness week... Good for you Tania, I hope all goes well let us know! After our phone conversation last night I suppose you can give dates for the next Homebirth Australia Conference! love Jo x From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Tania SmallwoodSent: Wednesday, 25 October 2006 3:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness week... Right back at ya Jo! Ive just received a call from the producer of Radio Adelaides brekkie show, and Im getting a whole 7 minutes on air tomorrow morning to promote HBAW and homebirth in general! Its a community radio station, and I know they dont have the listeners that some of the more commercial stations do, but Im still getting really nervous! Tania x --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 24/10/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] my letter to 60 minutes
Thanks, Pinky : ) Kali from Byronchild and I have been invited onto Macquarie network regional talkback tonight in answer to the 60 Mins crap. The journo is sending me a list of stations and also details for live streaming if anyone's interested. :D Thanks, everyone. It would seem that the discussion sparked has made it all worthwhile! J - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] my letter to 60 minutes My letter to sixty minutes I could have written an encyclopedia on that segment but figure they will only read short ones - well done Janet. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com Why do we need to label parenting styles? Or to offer such exteme definitions? This is about as much attachment parenting as saying that people who are environmentally conscious must grow all their own food, make all their own clothes, build their own homes, and live in isolation. Attachmentisn't about what kind of nappies parents use (or dont!), and it doesnt require both parents to give up their day jobs, nor does it require adults to 'earn' children's respect or never say 'no'. Surely all people deserve to be treated with respect -including children. We CAN have happy, creative children AND encourage mutual respect however long we choose to breastfeedor share sleep witb our children or whether we send them to school or not.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutes
Thanks, Barb. It's most amusing how much they cut out of Conor being a delightful, well adjusted, polite nearly 3 year old LOL. It was obviously just a ratings grab for the advertisers with all the *shock horror* footage of older babies bfing. Next week half naked swimsuit models? I bet those boobs would be ok : ) J - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutes Good on you Janet. I thought you came acorss very well. The show on the other hand just disgusts me. Barb Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutes national radio rebuttal
You can catch my rebuttal to 60 Minutes on these stations: (I'm back on the show next Thursday night about 10pm doing talkback on homebirth.) Night Mix and Nelly @ Night markets / stations and FM frequency: Queensland: Cairns: 4CA FM Mareeba: 4AM Mount Isa: 4LM Charters Towers: 4GC Townsville: 106.3 Mix FM Mackay: 4MK FM Rockhampton: 4RO Emerald: 4HI Fraser Coast: 4MB Sunshine Coast: 92.7 Mix FM Kingaroy: 1071 Roma: 4ZR Toowoomba: 4GR Gold Coast: 92.5 Gold FM New South Wales Coffs Harbour: 2CS FM Port Macquarie: 2MC FM Orange: 2GZ FM Griffith: 2RG FM Young: 2LF FM Central Coast: 107.7 2GO FM Mildura: 3MA FM Wagga Wagga: 2WG FM Victoria Bendigo: 3BO FM Shepparton: 3 SR FM Albury: 105.7 The River Warragul: 3GG FM South Australia Mount Gambier: 5SE FM Tasmania Scottsdale: 7SD Devonport: 7AD Burnie: 7BU Hobart: Magic 107 FM Western Australia Esperance: 6SE Kalgoorlie: 6KG Merredin: 6MD Northam: 6AM Narrogin: 6NA Katanning: 6WB Bridgetown: 6BY Busselton: 756 Bunbury: 6TZ Collie: 6CI -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth
I tackle Vit K and Hep B at the same time. I think the govt sites are pretty funny saying you should have the hep B but then saying how you get it. The logic of how it's contracted is usually enough for most people. Precocious bloody newborns ; ) J Hepatitis B and Vitamin K http://www.midwiferytoday.com/enews/enews0344.asp#main Quote: The recommended daily intake (RDI) of vitamin K is 10 mcg for infants. Human milk does not provide this much vitamin K to the breastfed baby at any stage of lactation, despite the fact that mothers on average consumed 670% of the adult RDI. In fact, nursing babies received on average only 7-13% of the RDI. Giving the mothers a modest daily supplement of 88 mcg/day did not increase breastmilk concentration of the vitamin. A large daily supplement, 5000 mcg, taken by breastfeeding mothers increased the amount of vitamin K in their milk to the same level with which formulas are fortified. Whether or not the RDI represents the amount of vitamin K that babies truly need is a matter that can be debated. The small quantities of vitamin K in human milk are adequate for most babies, as evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of breastfed babies do not develop vitamin K deficiency bleeding (VKDB). A single IM dose results in extremely high levels of vitamin K in the newborns' blood soon after injection: the peak median plasma concentration at 12 hours is 9000 times the normal adult level, and from one to four days after the injection the levels are about 100 times higher than in a normal adult. It is unknown what risk there is in exposing the newborn to these high concentrations of vitamin K. Cancer was suggested as a potential risk as early as 1983, but the evidence to date is inconclusive. General Discussion about Controversy over Administration of Vitamin K to Newborns http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/vitamink.html A huge wealth of info, treatises, discussions etc. http://gentlebirth.org/cgi-bin/query.pl?swishindex=%2Fusr%2Fhome%2Ffalcao%2Findex .swishmetaName=Keywordskeywords=vitamin+kdetail=yesmaxresults=40 Do a search for vitamin k here for the UK perspective. http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk Quote: Hep B info. This is from the Vic govts website which says all babies ought to be immunised but also tells you this is how you catch it Wow those newborns are precocious! How is hepatitis B spread? Blood The hepatitis B virus is present in the blood of an infected person. If infected blood enters another persons blood stream, that person may catch the disease. The disease can be spread by: Drug users sharing needles and syringes. Piercing the skin with equipment which is not properly cleaned and sterilised. Sharing razor blades or toothbrushes. One person's blood coming into contact with open cuts on another person. People who get blood transfusions do not run the risk of hepatitis B infection because blood donations are screened for the virus. You cannot catch hepatitis B from contact with urine or faeces unless they contain blood. Sex The virus can be spread if people have sexual intercourse without a condom. Mother to Baby Mothers who are carriers sometimes pass hepatitis B to their children. Some babies are infected in the womb or during birth. However, most infection occurs shortly after birth, so if the newborn baby is quickly immunised, he or she can be protected from the disease. - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth Does anyone know of an article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..? I can only find the government prodcued brochures etc.. Thanks, Kristin Find your old friends and discover what they're doing now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!!
Writing a complaint letter about inappropriate advertising of artificial baby "milk" might help you channel this rage. I HATE those stalls with a passion. You know that expo is really the Prams'n'Formula Expo, don't you? You'll also see lots of drug companies giving unbiassed (snort) show bags to pregnant women and even better, FORMULA companies giving SAMPLES and show bags to PREGNANT WOMEN. How's that for totally unethical, hey?! J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Im going to be at the Melbourne Pregnancy, Babies and Childrens Expo in Melbourne starting tomorrow, and who else is my stand next to but . Karicare! I felt so angry the whole time setting up today - I have a really bad feeling they are going to be giving out toddler milk samples, ready to drink on the stand they have one of those drink dispensing machines with the clear plastic tops with a mixer inside it, you know like when you go to those ice-cream shops and they have slushies or juice in them swishing around? GrRRrrRrr! I hope I am wrong but they always hand out samples anyway. The marketing plastered all over the massive stand just infuriates me... for mums who nutrition is important to them! Its firing me up and I am not even there yet!!! I dont want to even look at them tomorrow Kelly Zantey
[ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb? Janet
[ozmidwifery] hb Rockhampton?
Hi all, does anyone know of a MW in this area? J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] oops lost c-secs refs!
Hi all, can someone link me to those 2 latest studies on c-sec? Journo with the BorderMail in Albury is interested in seeing them for her article on hb. I'm snowed under or I'd search myself. TIA, J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] We can make a difference (long)
MOST of the women I look after postnatally just don't listen or don't believe the advice they recieve - they don't trust their bodies. It's like the birth experience has been owned by someone else, and now they are being asked to trust their body, and that baby knows what he's doing, wanting to be on the breast every hour, for example to get the milk in - and they just don't believe it. I utterly agree, Jo. The entire process of childbearing and rearing no longer belongs to women, we're bystanders at our own births a lot of the time and tested out of our wits throughout pregnancy. The assumption in medical birth is that pregnancy is dangerous and risky so why should bf be any different? Bodies are measured, sampled, quantified from the moment women step in the door and almost all without any evidence of usefulness. I see exactly what you're saying!!! We somehow expect women will go from being virtual science experiments in labour to bfing a baby without problems. If we tell women their bodies don't work to birth then we're also telling them they don't work to bf. It starts way back in the whole process, even when we're children and our faulty female bodies are disgusting in the eyes of most people. I struggle sometimes to find a time and place when a woman has trusted and believed in her body to relate to the ability to birth and bf. I often resort to talking about pooing and breathing which happen really well without a lot of attention being paid to them. Unhindered pooing is a popular theme in my life atm ; ) I even said VAGINA on the radio yesterday which caused the interviewer to do a quick intake of breath hahahaha. J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Goodbyes
Why not start a yahoo group for Finnish MWs, Paivi? It's free and it comes in all languages. How excellent would that be?! I'm a big believer in starting your own group if it's needed. I can guarantee that if you feel a lack, so do others. Go for it! J - Original Message - From: Päivi To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Goodbyes Just a quick noteto all of you, before I run of to work. Two days ago I went to the Finnish Midwives meeting, where a hospital midwife gave a speach. She described what it was like to care for women twenty years ago, or even ten years ago, when they gave birth on their own empowered. She also described the seem in the today's hospitals with women wanting all possible drugs at the doorstep. It must be hard to work in those circumstances. But what made me really sad is, that thisparticular midwife had lost her hope for things ever changing. She seemed to have accepted, that time had changed things, and there is no going back anymore. When I got home I wrote to her and told about this list, how every day I read your encouraging commets and stories of women giving birth on their own every day in today's world. How that inspires me to beleive, that I can still change things around in my country an tomorrow can be better, than today. I received a reply from her. My letter to her had made her very happy, because she saw, that there was someone, who has the energy to beleive in the better future, to try to fight the system, to inform the parents and inspire. Obviously she hadn't sensed this for years. We don't have a single forum like this in my country, there are no homebirth conferences or such to attend. Simply there is very little change for these midwives around the country to support each other in their common goal; to provide women with evidence based practise. I think this list is the best, because I always get an onest opinion of what happens, when midwives don't give in to the policies, and work independently. And also how things can be done even in the high-risk hospital. You are the Best! Gotta go now, Don't leave sadie =) Päivi - Original Message - From: adamnamy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Goodbyes I too appreciate the variety of input from all contributors. Things get a bit heated but thats life at the coalface. Our biggest challenge is not each other but an attitude that says women cant be in charge of their own bodies and make their own decisions. Lets not lose sight of that goal and get personal. We all do our bit, the bit that we can do. And always, it will vary according to our strengths and weaknesses. It would be a real shame to lose either of you. As a non midwife, I really appreciate the expertise and the perspectives that midwives working in various settings bring to the discussions. We need to know what we are up against so be honest about the challenges you face, because they become ours pretty quickly. In gratitude for your dedication, amy
Re: [ozmidwifery] blood gasses and other policies
I hear this stuff too, Barb and it concerns me greatly. I did some research on BFHI though and you don't need much to get accreditation!The attitidues you describe showvery little understanding of how bf works or how babies bf in the early days of their lives but it horrifies the crap outta me that so many get forcefed and have their guts permanently altered. I also hear of way too little support for women to bf in SCN and "minimal handling" taken to mean the staff can do whatever they like and the parents are limited!This has huge implications for those kids' health for the rest of their lives and at some point someone in govt has to notice how much it costs in the long run to ff. : ( J - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] blood gasses and other policies HI, Interesting conversation about blood gasses.I frequently get reports from mothers and health professionals that they gave birth in a Baby friendly hospital, or a hospital with clear policies on breastfeeding, but that babies are given infant formula often without their parents consent, or not with their parents INFORMED consent. This always intrigues me greatly. There seem to be no repercussions for staff who go against breastfeeding policies. Reasons I have heard for staff giving babies formula when I've asked midwives why they gave a baby formula include "the other midwife told me the baby was hungry", we didn't want to disturb the mother etc. Mothers tell me they were told that staff didn't want to wake/disturb the mother - they knew she was tired. Told she had no milk. Told the baby was hungry and needed something.And, my personal favourite, "it's OK, at this hospital we give babies the formula that is closest to human milk" Rarely are they told WHY the midwife thinks these things.These are babieswho are well, don't even start me on babies in the nursery where parent's rights seem to go right out the window.Some parents I have spoken to are very upset and angry. I wonder why breastfeeding policy is in a *different* category in most hospitals? Do others find this? Barb
[ozmidwifery] Port Pirie hb?
Hi all, does anyone know of a hb MW in the region of Port Pirie, SA? I need to talk local issues with her. TIA : ) J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] WV Based med rejected
Makes me shudder to read this stuff. I love how it's always OUR fault we get carved up because: As the obstetric population becomes older, heavier, and increasingly primiparous, the cesarean rate in the US will continue to rise. J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] WV Based med rejected This is part of the text of the last article. Isnt it amazing that individualization is O.K for obstetricians, but not for women wanting normal births? MM The recent emphasis on evidence-based medicine has tended to overshadow the need for individualization in obstetrics. RCTs provide information about populations, but cannot replace clinical judgment. Even if it is true, for example, that cesarean section is generally safer for babies in breech presentation, neither mother nor child would be well served by emergency surgery performed when the breech is on the perineum. Although RCTs provide the highest level of evidence, their external validity is often limited by small sample size and the recruitment biases inherent to the research process. Furthermore, investigators are not a random sample of providers. In the statistical spirit of our time, it is probably fair to say that clinical judgment and technical ability are normally distributed within the profession. These attributes are not often equally developed in the same individual, nor is there any evidence that academic achievement correlates positively with clinical excellence. In light of such confounding factors, it is prudent to maintain a degree of skepticism about the conclusions of any study. The future of cesarean section .we have all regretted that we have not done a cesarean in certain cases, but I have yet to regret one that I have done.23 Few obstetricians would disagree with this sentiment, expressed by a prominent New York obstetrician in 1920. Given this attitude, is there an upper limit to the cesarean rate? As the obstetric population becomes older, heavier, and increasingly primiparous, the cesarean rate in the US will continue to rise. This trend will be accentuated by the reluctance, or inability, of obstetricians to perform 934 Cyr
[ozmidwifery] asthma in labour
Hi all, can bronchodilators, particularly ventolin, for severe asthmacause labour to slow or stall? Would it's action of relaxing smooth muscle have this effect on the uterus or is an inhaled drug (even in strong doses) too little entering the bloodstream for an effect? TIA. J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] asthma in labour
Thanks, Mary and Honey. I've learnt that it's via IV in large doses. A woman was told by her hb MW she couldn't birth at home and have ventolin via nebuliser as it would stall/halt labour. I can now reassure her that it's not the case. : ) J - Original Message - From: Honey Acharya To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] asthma in labour They give injected ventolin before performing someECV's to relax a uterus do they not? But perhaps intramuscular or intravenous is different to inhaled??? - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] asthma in labour Yes, it has been used in a different delivery method, but definitely has been and probably still is, for calming contractions. I am sure some one who is familiar with it will reply. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 6:29 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] asthma in labour Hi all, can bronchodilators, particularly ventolin, for severe asthmacause labour to slow or stall? Would it's action of relaxing smooth muscle have this effect on the uterus or is an inhaled drug (even in strong doses) too little entering the bloodstream for an effect? TIA. J For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] missing mail
Same here. By rights it should be going in my junk mail - no offence Susan ; ) - since I have a list of addresses that only go to my inbox. Weird indeed! J - Original Message - From: Katy O'Neill To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] missing mail Yes Katy. - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] missing mail I am getting Susan Cudlipp's test message coming in my email inbox, not to the diverted ozmid list. Is this happening to anyone else?, Cath.__ NOD32 1.1794 (20061006) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial Consumers: Put it out there that breech does not necessarily equal c/s and continue to mount the arguments of the furphy of risk (for much of obstetrics). Support women we meet to demand choice. Yes yes! I haven't seen one woman decide to have a vb for breech in the system yet. If the staff don't scare them with how surgery is safer, they're too scared to even try because the staff tell them they have no skills to catch breech babies. No win situation. There are lots of scarred bellies for breech among women I know and in our anti-VBAC climate that is of particular concern for their future birthing careers. J
Re: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat
There's a few reasons it doesn't grab me. On some info about the chair it says she designed it so MWs would be more comfortable and not have to sit on toilet floors while women laboured on the loo. In hospitals birthing in the toilet is a really good idea because it can keep surgeons away. It also gives a woman more privacy while this chair seems to me to look like something throne-like that draws attention to a birthing woman in the wrong way. No woman could be left to labour unobtrusively sitting on this huge thing. I would prefer that instead of adding more products to birth that we looked at using what we have and losing a lot of normally happens. SImply turning off the lights, putting a beanbag on the floor or supporting a woman on the toilet are pretty cheap and allow women to be more in control and focussed on the business at hand. Using supportpeople as organic furniture is free and so much better.It didn't get a vote of confidence from Joyous Birth women either. J - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:30 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat It was great to hear the 'inside' story re the birth seat, ie from midwives that have attended women using them. Perhaps this kind of feedback could get to the midwife who decided it; maybe they can alter it somehow to have the back resting on hydraulics (!) so the woman can move around a little - or is that just a little too ambitious - ? LOL Kristin From: "Kristin Beckedahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seatDate: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:53:59 +0800 Did anyone else manage to catch this on Wednesday night - I only managed to get the info from their website after the event, but its looks wonderful!!! http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1754147.htm (you can play the video too) What a fanastic invention - apparently quite 'cheap' too.. Not sure if she won the nights award - but cant wait for the day when these are standards in hospitals and universities for mid training... Kristin -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks
What you're saying is what a lot of research into low carbing says, Mary. J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks I think that there is no doubt about the fact that extra fluids reduces ketonuria, the debate is : Is ketonuria harmful or beneficial or just neutral? It may be that what is pathological in illness may be a product of normal metabolism in labour. From what I have read, Ketoacidosis is the harmful state, not ketonuria and ketonuria is not necessarily a symptom of ketoacisosis. More confused? MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Wounds
Hi Lisa, it still itches now and then and I get occasional fungal infections in it. I'm lucky I healed really fast after the surgery unlike many women but it does seem a long time to be still getting the odd issue with it. Conor will be 3 next month. Interestingly I know lots of women who have screaming pain or burning in their scars years after the surgery when doing emotional healing work. How much more complex are humans than it would seem?! J - Original Message - From: Lisa Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Wounds Hi Janet Out of interest how does your wound give you trouble? Gee what a pain after all that time! Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 3:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Wounds I haven't seen research but I'd be interested. It seems counterintuitive to me to blow dry a perineum. I imagine we have a sensible built in healing system that's used to a normally lubricated genital area. The c-sec wound still gives me trouble now and then thanks to my built in apron so that's more a case for drying, I'd think. Looking forward to some evidence : ) J - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Wounds Apologies for the x posting. Have a query on behalf of a colleague. Does anyone know of any research regarding the use of warm air (ie hair driers) to help heal peri abdo wounds. We did it years ago it went out possibly with the moist wound healing phase. She is after actual research for evidence based prac, has googled MIDIRd for it but nothing so far. I will ask our skin integrity nurse too. Any research you all know of ? With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions
I've known more than one woman who has waited many hours, even overnight. I know a woman who fully dilated, went to bed and slept all night then got up in the morning and pushed her baby out. It's interesting how wide the variation of normal is when birth is relatively undisturbed. I'd have paid money for a Rest and be Thankful in my recent marathon labour! J - Original Message - From: Lisa Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions This is one for the MIPPs...you here the occasional story of a woman at full dilatation during homebirth having a prolonged period of no contractions and going to sleep...How long would you wait? And when would you get concerned? These stories are in such contrast to what goes on in hospitals as someone has said...I'm sure there are some who believe that all will die if the synto isn't put up and flogged In response to the commetns about ARM...women know too that ARM will often speed things up and it is a common request..of course doesn't mean that it is done...sometimes we find that the women we care for aren't interested in the normality of stuff and just what it over and done with.Many women would choose synto over waiting! Lisa -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Headline - Birth rights for men
Yay for David! J - Original Message - From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Headline - Birth rights for men the readers comments generated from this article are a great read, everything from C/S to freebirth, wow!!! Di - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Headline - Birth rights for men Congratulations to David Vernon and the college on Men at Birth - article from the SMH attached -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Wounds
I haven't seen research but I'd be interested. It seems counterintuitive to me to blow dry a perineum. I imagine we have a sensible built in healing system that's used to a normally lubricated genital area. The c-sec wound still gives me trouble now and then thanks to my built in apron so that's more a case for drying, I'd think. Looking forward to some evidence : ) J - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Wounds Apologies for the x posting. Have a query on behalf of a colleague. Does anyone know of any research regarding the use of warm air (ie hair driers) to help heal peri abdo wounds. We did it years ago it went out possibly with the moist wound healing phase. She is after actual research for evidence based prac, has googled MIDIRd for it but nothing so far. I will ask our skin integrity nurse too. Any research you all know of ? With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] QUOTE OF THE WEEK
I think that's nonsense. This is the quote that springs to my mind when I read that: A snippet from www.midwiferytoday.com Think about It: Cesarean Section While it is symbolic that the only Barbie model that gives birth does so through her abdomen, the escalation of cesarean rates illustrates more than women's self-loathing. It takes two to do this tango. Obstetricians, "relentlessly driven to control the unpredictability of pregnancy and birth," must accept responsibility as the dispensers of cutting-edge technology. Dr. [Germaine] Greer views the rise in cesarean rates as part of the widespread cultural assault on women's bodies and more specifically, a transfer of the ritual mutilation of the vagina (through episiotomy) to the mutilation of the uterus itself. Surely, cesarean rates approaching 25 percent cannot be medically justified. As Dr. Greer points out, "Much of what is done to women in the name of health has no rationale beyond control." Insult is added to injury when women, who labour but end up birthed by cesarean, are told that their bodies (their pelvis, uterus or cervix) are to blame. The truth is that induction, analgesia, electronic fetal surveillance, an unfamiliar environment and lack of continuous labour support all interfere with the sensitive process of labour and affect the outcome. Dr. Greer reminds us that "blaming the victim for the crime is a pattern of injustice very familiar to feminists." Karen Robb, excerpted from the article "Thank You, Germaine Greer: A Midwife Comments on Greer's bestseller, The Whole Woman" Midwifery Today Issue 57 - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] QUOTE OF THE WEEK "We need to find a way between the rock of medical model standard of care and the hard place of women's insistence on pain-free, rapid childbearing to meet the needs of both mother and baby." Sharon Glass Jonquil
Re: [ozmidwifery] Belinda birth story
How wonderful, Belinda! How great that you owned your own fears and were able to be With Woman. I know there's a very grateful mama out there with her chubby new daughter. With love, J - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Belinda birth story getting back to birth - I had a great day today! I had a woman who lives out of town and has had two previous cesareans sections have a beautiful birth at home of a chubby baby girl. After I had experienced a traumatic birth three months ago of a woman who ruptured her uterus suddenly in second stage (in hospital) and a traumatized but recovering mother and baby (long story) I had felt anxious about birth and found myself second guessing myself all of the time. Taking on this woman challenged me to either be the midwife I wanted to be - that is trusting in women and supporting their decisions when they have received all of the information, or allow myself to be engulfed with fear and worry. This birth today was special for many reasons and healing for the mum who was still emotional about her first two sections and desperate for a vaginal birth, but it is I found also healing for me. I supported her and cared for her and didn't let myself get caught up in the potential fear that was hanging around me from my earlier trauma. Thankyou so much to the SAIMA midwives especially Lisa, Tania, Larissa, Julie, Milly and Rosie - all of you really, who have supported me as I worked through my fears and trauma, the offers of support we so appreciated, thankyou Lisa and Rosie for offering to sit outside the house just to support me, it was great knowing you would do that for me XXX midwives are good to each other Love Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
Beautifully said, Lisa. Thank you! J - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I- Every contribution counts and whilst I think I understand the point you're trying to make about reaching the mainstream, it's dangerous to begin tempering our message to better enable us to begin "marketing" it to the majority gratuitously - women and babies are not a market and our integrity is not for sale. I fear the overstepping of that invisible line that would transform us into nothing too different from the Obs and Hospys - big business, marketed to the masses (for instance, in my personal experience, your forum/site needs to compromise a lot in order to appeal to the larger membership you enjoy; this results in some less than optimal advertising and advice, and the sad loss of some wonderful contributions and items. Do the ends justify the means? That's a decision we each need to make, and your contribution is still significant, though not necessarily in the form I would personally choose for myself). What is the point of a message reaching more people if the message has had to be diluted and perhaps changed in order to get there? Nothing is simple and these aspects need to be considered. It is the various voices of all of us that shed light on darker areas of the topic; some more straightforward and uncompromising contributions may seem difficult to hear but they're usually the most valuable and evidence-based in my experience, and I enjoy them thoroughly. -- I agree totally with this. I could never agree with women going to a 5 star facility instead of going home or in fact not leaving their home at all, when we know this would prevent the need in the first place. I don't want my views to be dumbed down so that uniformed women can think they are more palitable. The women on the thread that was posted here weren't thinking of their pregnancy birth or baby but of the fantastic offer of 5 star accommodation. I just feel sorry for the reality that lies ahead for them after their awful birth ( published figures at Ashford the hospital in the storysection rate 49.9% instramental rate 16%) well I don't think they are going to be over subscribed since only 34% of women over the whole year birth normally. Some months none do. Lisa
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
'long haired hairy leggged hippy homebirth faction' Oh Diane that's a crack up, made me laugh a lot to hear that old furphy still getting a work out : ) Please let your friend know that statistically home birthing women are middle class and tertiary educated. Tree loving or leg shaving I cannot vouch for but maybe we should run polls on it. Funny how women who act from scientific evidence are depicted, isn't it?! : ) J - middle class, tertiary educated, lover of shoes, lipstick and home birth, never confused with a hippy when viewed in person : )
Re: [ozmidwifery] agonising pain described by Vic govt
I wonder what idiot wrote that? I'm still stuck on the idea that NCB is "popular" these days. Where is that? Let me go there immediately! *shaking head* J - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] agonising pain described by Vic govt OMG, check this out Childbirth - pain relief options The current popularity of natural childbirth can make some pregnant women believe that using pain-relieving drugs during labour is weak or a sign of failure. However, childbirth is one of the most painful experiences the human body can ever have. Some women are lucky and have relatively short, easy labours, while others experience long, agonising ordeals. If you planned for a natural birth but find the labour pains overwhelming, dont be reluctant to ask for pain relief. Childbirth isnt a moral or political judgement of your performance - the aim is simply to bring your baby into the world. http://www.disability.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Childbirth_pain_relief_options?OpenDocument
[ozmidwifery] Re: conflict?
I'd have to say I have a somewhat different view from this after nearly twenty years of feminist activism. I dislike the idea that women are a homogeneous group who must all stand shoulder to shoulder without question or compromise to achieve our goals. I know Condoleeza Rice and I have little in common! We are socialised to avoid conflict at all costs hence the reason (among others, of course, but a big one) that we need birth activism in the first place. Many of us struggle to believe our right to question or say no is actually a right, not a privilege to be carefully exercised only when it can be guaranteed not to offend anyone. I'm tired of the old "women are harder on each other than men" line which is thinly veiled misogygny. Men also beat one another to death but no one says it about them! And most frequently that violence comes at women but again no oneseems to think that may actually be harder on women than a frank exchange of views! Masculinism has a lot more to lose than we do as women claim power for themselves and this is one way it keeps a stranglehold on us. Conflict or difference are not innate problems. How they are managed is the issue. In any relationship differences will arise, and it's the way that is met and dealt with that either ends or continues the relationship, now strengthened by honesty and clarity of purpose and understanding. We cannot simply accept unquestioningly all ideas or this would turn us into mindless sheeple and there are enough of those in the world already. Our diversity is actually our strength, not a pretence at some kind of vagina solidarity. By the same token, the enforced uniformity of the monolith we oppose is both it's weakness and strength. Yes, the walls are strong but they cannot fail to fall with enough brilliance, strength and purpose pushing on them. Shutting up and not speaking our truths is way too dangerous and simply the patriarchy within enforcing it's rules through us as surely as women performing genital mutilation on one another. I'm not scared of wellmanaged disagreement because it's normal and ok to disagree even with those who share wider goals. Being challenged is essential to keeping us all learning and thinking and I'm so grateful to the women who challenge me and have nourished my soul and intellect this way. So thanks, Kelly, for speaking YOUR truth and I would cheerfully lie in front of a bulldozer to support your right so to do as soon as I climb down from the tree I'm hugging. J - humourless feminist - Original Message - From: Sadie To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article GO MARY Luv Sadie - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:51 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Tania rightly says I have never gotten used to the amount of internal bickering and horizontal violence that is perpetrated by women, towards other women. CAN WE PLEASE STOP THIS! This juvenile attitude has split the womens movement, the homebirth movement and every other collection of women I have seen and read about.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And they want to know what it will do for THEM and what THEY will get out of it. At the moment there are very many women who do not see birth as something that needs to be in the home or is safe in home thats just a fact which we have to work on.
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
Women can find community though like in many forums where friendships and practical support abound, meals are cooked, children cared for and all without some unquestioning consumerism coming into play. Playgroups, ABA groups, forums, primary schools, birth groups are all good places for the kind of support desparately lacking in our lives.Maybe you could encourage meal provision among your DDCs?Denying the sacredness of birth and women is what has led us to this silly fake idea that a 5 star hotel makes up for that lack of respect and support we are accorded in pregnancy and birth. It's likethe really consumerist baby shower instead of a woman-focussed blessingway or motherway. It's really sad that we live in a world where care by complete strangers is a treat and one from which our other children are removed. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. I wouldnt want to be away from my kids, but its because the problem lies far deeper than a matter of resting up at a hotel. Its because far too many mothers do not have support, community and husbands working longer hours every week. They are desperate for a break, nurturing etc and they are not getting it. Need to work on the root cause of this not the symptoms. Big ask. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Frankly it appals me that people think it's ok for health funds to cover this crap that should be a luxury we pay for ourselves. What about some equity of health care in this country? How about health funds pay for proper midwifery not bloody hotels.I think it's nauseating. Maybe if only SICK women, as opposed to BIRTHING women,were in hospital beds we wouldn't have a perceived need for luxury frigging hotels as a back up. And the whole mindset of having a rest with your other kids somewhere else escapes me. Fark yucko. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article I posted the article on my forums, here is what women think of the idea be it what you agree with or not this is what THEY think so maybe we can get some ideas or learn something from this: http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=439579 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 8:27 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news articleImportance: High The Caroline flint you have contacted is a politician, not the midwife. Try putting midwife in front of the google search. It is confusing to have two high profile people with the same name. MM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedrana ValcicSent: Wednesday, 20 September 2006 6:11 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article Where can I find out more about her marketing strategies? Midwives in Croatia would certainly appreciate info about effective marketing strategies. I found this site: http://www.carolineflint.co.uk/news/news.htm, but I dont know if there is something more detailed. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:11 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article The woman who best markets midwifery is Caroline Flint in the UK. We should copy her marketing strategies. MM Kelly says..If we want women to accept and value the midwife then it needs to be marketed better, it needs to be trendy and jazzed up! Not just a choice being two sides of the fence with opposing views as it is now. And
Re: [ozmidwifery] FYI news article
Kelly my personal opinion has no impact on the mainstream because I choose to mitigate it into support for women though that doesn't mean I also support women's choices when they are actively dangerous or unthinking. I choose to say little at all in that scenario.In a setting like ozmid where hopefully we can talk about stuff like big people and not have to play that game, I choose to say what I really think. I had NO support as a first time mother, (A TF from a hb where trauma occurs means I was pretty unpopular in the very small and then disparate hb community in Melbourne at that time) so yes, I really do "get it" but I chose to go look for it and when there wasn't any, I created it in Joyous Birth which now supports all those many women in many ways. I'm sorry your own journey made it hard for you to accept support, not all of us choose to do it the hard way ; ) My personal opinion isn't going to offend the mamas on your forum because I don't post it there. J
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife Directory Cancelled...
Joyous Birth has listings for private midwives as well as links to community hb groups nationally. Due to the now dicey political nature of hb, particularly in QLD, it's members only. So send women our way if they want that info. It says on our website that we provide that info. : ) J - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwife Directory Cancelled... Kelly, I hope you will reconsider a Midwife Directory. From a consumer's point of view, it is extremely useful. Four years ago I was pregnant with my third baby when the idea of home birth came across my radar for the first time. With awareness of only very mainstream sources I had a VERY VERY difficult time finding an independent midwife. One of the places I looked was in mainstream forums but I had no luck there. At that time I knew no one who knew anyone who had had a home birth and did not know where to begin looking for a care provider. A Midwife Directory on a site like Belly Belly could help someone in that situation. The existence of a Midwife Directory would also help to inform people that there IS such a thing as an independent midwife. Four years ago I thought a midwife was a nurse who helped doctors deliver babies (cringe). Rachele -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story
How beautiful, Pinky. I love a real family birth! J - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re birth story Hi all, I have just thought some of you may be interested in reading my "column' about my daughters waterbirth - it was published as one of my monthly columns in Practical Parenting a few months ago and is up on my website - every little bit helps, as they say. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/features/pregnancy/family_born.html Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story
Di you're describing Joyous Birth LOL. We have about 600 online members who meet all over Australia regularly and do exactly what you're talking about! But you knew this, I'm sure : ) How lovely! J - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story That's a great article Pinky. One of my visions is to create a community of women where positive birth stories are told. I'm hoping to develop a 'birthplace' where women can access services, classes, alternate therapies, groups, resources and products, to help change the culture at least at a local level. I attended the Calmbirth course last week, which was great. One of the most interesting things was meeting midwives and doulas from all over the country, and hearing their different stories. We have little pockets here and there in this country where natural birth and homebirth is not considered to be too radical. The culture in Melbourne is so different, there are doula's and homebirth midwives everywhere, where in other parts of the country they are unheard of! Places like Bellingen, the north coast of NSW, Toowoomba have their own little sub-cultures that are growing. We need to act locally for a sub - culture to develop, that then becomes part of a wider movement. The more positive stories that hit the 'mainstream' , the more momentum is gained. (thanks Pinky and Kelly, and all of you who vocally and publicly advocate for natural birth!) Cheers, Di - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re birth story Hi all, I have just thought some of you may be interested in reading my "column' about my daughters waterbirth - it was published as one of my monthly columns in Practical Parenting a few months ago and is up on my website - every little bit helps, as they say. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/features/pregnancy/family_born.html Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Inductions for post term
I didn't get the original of this but I have something you might like to read, Renee, if you email me direct. J [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] HB in Bundaberg
Title: HB in Bundaberg I replied to this and it never arrived. I'll try again! What about Sonya Beutel? MC QLD has an updated list of MIPPs and there's a new one on the Sunshine Coast which is really great news! Still only one in Brissie though... J - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] HB in Bundaberg Dear AllDoes anyone know of a homebirth possibility in Bundaberg?Many ThanksJustineJustine CainesSecretaryHomebirth AustraliaPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2337Ph: (02) 654536120408 21 02 73E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.homebirthaustralia.org
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats for specific hospitals
Some states have perinatal data published online, try google first. Look and see if they have websites. Ring and ask for an annual report. You will possibly have trouble if you ring and ask specific qns of hospitals. They get all weirdy beardy because they don't like people knowing stuff that should be public record. If you're asking about VBAC prepare to explain what it is to everyone person you're transferred to! J - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Stats for specific hospitals Hi all, Does anyone have a short cut way to get birthing/intervention stats from a hospital? Who/what/where do I call/ask for...? I'm trying to get hold of Kind Edwards Memorial Hospital and St. John of God - both inPerth Big thanks in advance, Kristin-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: RWH - Pain Relief Comment on Website
Given that they have a 1 in 3 c-sec rate and have got rid of their BC while pretending to "extend it's ethos" throughout the new buildings, what part of this surprises you, Kelly? The only thing I love about RWH is how unashamedly they promote this rubbish and how conveniently they put protocols and stats on their website so you can show consumers why not to go there. I can barely read their crap, it makes me inarticulate with rage. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] RE: RWH - Pain Relief Comment on Website Gosh it gets worse The options available for pain relief during labour have increased dramatically since that time but it has only been in the second half of this century that they have been made readily available for women. The reality is that about 2 thirds of normal, healthy pregnant women suffer severe or intolerable pain during labour, and only about 2% of women are fortunate enough to describe little or no discomfort. However, despite this many women are still made to feel guilty or inadequate if they ask for pain relief, and if they manage to achieve delivery without any form of pain relief, they receive some mythical 'badge of honour'. In no other situation would anyone deliberately allow someone to suffer so severely for so long without attempting to relieve their pain. It is, of course, always the expectant mother's decision as to whether she will have anything during labour, but this can only be done in an informed fashion if she has been told her options and the pros and cons of each before she goes into labour. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 9:44 PMTo: 'ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au'Subject: RWH - Pain Relief Comment on Website I found this on the RWH website in the section about the cons of epidurals: 6. Some people believe that epidurals may increase the duration of labour, or increase the likelihood of needing forceps or a Caesarean section. The evidence for or against this belief is very controversial. It is almost impossible to do unbiased studies to confirm or deny this belief. Women who have excessive pain and ask for an epidural may be the ones with bigger babies or smaller pelvises and thus be more likely to need forceps or a Caesarean section anyway. In addition, even if labour is prolonged, is it better to have a 9 hour labour in agony, or a 13 hour labour in relative comfort (as long as the baby and mother are monitored and both are well)? I would suspect the latter. In conclusion I think it is important to stress that no-one can predict how they will feel during labour, and some labours are far more painful than others. Women who ask for pain relief during labour should not be made to feel guilty or inadequate, as if they have failed, but rather reassured and given the pain relief they require. The attitude of '...no, you'll be fine...let's hold of for a few more hours and see how you go...' is no longer appropriate unless the baby is about to pop out any second. Eck. Love their choice of wording too. http://www.rwh.org.au/rwhanaes/whatis.cfm?doc_id=2392 Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units
Bloody brilliant! Take a bow, or a curtsey if you prefer! Women's bodies work when left alone, hey?! : ) J - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units Don’t actually have them here at the moment, but out of 99 women, 0% induction and episiotomy, 6% c/section, I think around 10% perineal trauma requiring suturing, 65%waterbirths, and that’s all I can remember off the top of my head! Needless to say, Wendy and I are very proud of the living proof that continuity of carer does seem to come up with the goods.. J Tania From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and GrahamSent: Sunday, 27 August 2006 6:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units Hi Tania Would be really interested to know your stats as I anticipate they will be something to be proud ofI know midwifery led care is the way to go and look forward to being able to shout this from the rafters with some good ammunition Helen - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s and other stats for mid led units Hi all, Just doing a bit of my own research, and wondering if there are any stats yet for the newly formed midwifery led units such as Ryde, St George etc. I have access to the ones that have been issued for the Women’s and Children’s in Adelaide (MGP), but I suppose there is also the Canberra one (is that still running) and also the Perth community midwifery programme. Having just figured out what our personal stats for 5 years in practice together are, I’d like to be able to compare with these groups if the info is out there…anyone? Tania __ NOD32 1.1727 (20060826) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006
[ozmidwifery] Ezzo alert
Those nasty Ezzos are moving into birth as well! I will hardly be able to bear to read this one after the trash of their others. : ( J http://www.gfi.org.au/resources/on%20becoming.html Quote: Medical research continually develops better ways to manage labour and delivery for healthy outcomes. With all of the choices, theories, and plethora of ideas available today, its a challenge for expectant parents to know where to turn for wise counsel. Where will you turn for help? On Becoming Birthwise has reliable answers for you. As an outgrowth of a childbirth course created in 1989 by a group of health-care providers knowledgeable and skilled in labour and delivery, (and now with over seventy years of collective hospital and clinical experience behind them), this resource is a must-read for every expectant parent. Our authors explore the medical options available from high-tech intervention to natural childbirth. You will grow in your understanding and appreciation of the physical and emotional transitions taking place during pregnancy and at each stage of labour. Similar to the other seven books in our series, On Becoming Birthwise is informative, practical, and easily understood. Perhaps most importantly, this book is written from the hearts of moms who are also medical professionals. We are pleased to add this book to our parenting series. We have read many glowing post-delivery reports, we have listened to mums and dads speak with confidence and satisfaction of their birthing experience, and we know this resource will serve to encourage you through the miraculous process of bringing forth a new life. For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ozmidwifery] Joyous Birth September - in honour of NCAD
We've had lots of new babies in Joyous Birth lately, some of them in Sydney! Come join us for a celebration of Spring, new babies and birth! The gathering will include lunch and an informal discussion with stories of birth after caesarean in honour of September as NCAD month. Please feel free to share your story of birthing after previous surgery. Mamas already planning to speak include a HBAC turned c-sec story and a freebirth story. Come share yours or ask any questions you may have about home birthing after surgery. Joyous Birth is a sensitive time during NCAD month so we ask that only babes in arms attend this Spring gathering. Thank you. When: Sunday 24 September from 11am Where: Birth Central - 20 Lyminge Rd, Croydon Park Bring: Lunch to share Stay tuned for the Christmas picnic info coming up in only a few short months! For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal breech
They're also trying to avoid the dangers of managed breech birth - go figure! J - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] vaginal breech Hi all, Why are breech (sometimes) routinely CS'd. What risks are they actually trying to avoid for the baby? Kristin -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
Missed : ) Even the surgeon admitted it hahaha. J - Original Message - From: Lisa Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! Janet was it missed ...or just anterior? An anterior praevia needs to be cut through to deliver a baby at C/S...what I'm trying to say is it would have been irrelevant that they missed it cos it needed to be cut thru' anyway! I'd be more pissed at them for missing it earlier in the pregnancy if she was scanned. Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 11 August 2006 10:16 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! A woman I know had 3 (yes 3) u/s in LABOUR to be dx with a breech except they missed her complete placenta praevia and sliced through it opening her up. Another triumph of technology, clearly! J - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! I agree that there's no point in scanning at 36/40. But it is happening (in Qld) and the women don't seem to be given any explanation except 'just to check the baby's ok'. And it's not just a quick scan for presentation, but the full thing. And scans aren't foolproof. I remember a woman who was scanned and thought to be having twins, the obstetric team flew in (country hospital) and also scanned her and agreed that there were twins. At the LUSCS a very large almost 11 pound single baby was born! More recently in a tertiary centre a woman in labour at 28 weeks was thought to be having twins. She had a LUSCS and again a single baby. There has recently been some research results that indicate ultrasound scanning in mice is causing to brain tumours. Doesn't look good.. Cheers Michelle Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to share my experience of this over the past week.( with the permission of my client of course) I have a client who's baby was breech until 33/34 weeks after using natural therapies I felt that it had turned. At 37+ weeks she felt huge movements then nothing for 2 days. She went to the local hospital for a check over(It was a Saturday and she didn't want to bother me so didn't ring until she was there). Baby was fine but found to be breech confirmed on scan just quickly run over her abdomen. After a huge discussion of all options she decided she'd still birth at home but would like a cephalic version just to see if that was possible. The Tuesday morning (now 38 weeks) I made an appointment and off we went. When we were there she was palpated by a hospital midwife and the obstetrician. Confirmed breech. When the scan was put on her before the procedure the baby was cephalic. When I made the appointment the obstetrician said to me, oh don't worry anyone could miss a breech assuming that I had made a mistake. However What if the scanner over the weekend who couldn't tell anything but that it was breech was mistaken (I wasn't there so don't know!!) Or what if some babies just move around right up until the end. Either way there would have been no point scanning her at 36 weeks. Lisa Barrett, Midwife Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Music: Check out the gig guide for live music in your area -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
"Or what if some babies just move around right up until the end." Yep too true. Someone I know online had a breech flip just before she pushed it out! Full dilation then a massive movement and a head coming down! Definitely a breech to that point : ) Of course it was a home birth... J
Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position!!!!!
A woman I know had 3 (yes 3) u/s in LABOUR to be dx with a breech except they missed her complete placenta praevia and sliced through it opening her up. Another triumph of technology, clearly! J - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Use of ultrasound routinely to check for breech position! I agree that there's no point in scanning at 36/40. But it is happening (in Qld) and the women don't seem to be given any explanation except 'just to check the baby's ok'. And it's not just a quick scan for presentation, but the full thing. And scans aren't foolproof. I remember a woman who was scanned and thought to be having twins, the obstetric team flew in (country hospital) and also scanned her and agreed that there were twins. At the LUSCS a very large almost 11 pound single baby was born! More recently in a tertiary centre a woman in labour at 28 weeks was thought to be having twins. She had a LUSCS and again a single baby. There has recently been some research results that indicate ultrasound scanning in mice iscausing to brain tumours. Doesn't look good.. Cheers MichelleLisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to share my experience of this over the past week.( with the permission of my client of course) I have a client who's baby was breech until 33/34 weeks after using natural therapies I felt that it had turned. At 37+ weeks she felt huge movements then nothing for 2 days. She went to the local hospital for a check over(It was a Saturday and she didn't want to bother me so didn't ring until she was there). Baby was fine but found to be breech confirmed on scan just quickly run over her abdomen. After a huge discussion of all options she decided she'd still birth at home but would like a cephalic version just to see if that was possible. The Tuesday morning (now 38 weeks) I made an appointment and off we went. When we were there she was palpated by a hospital midwife and the obstetrician. Confirmed breech. When the scan was put on her before the procedure the baby was cephalic. When I made the appointment the obstetrician said to me, oh don't worry anyone could miss a breech assuming that I had made a mistake. However What if the scanner over the weekend who couldn't tell anything but that it was breech was mistaken (I wasn't there so don't know!!) Or what if some babies just move around right up until the end. Either way there would have been no point scanning her at 36 weeks. Lisa Barrett, Midwife Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Music: Check out the gig guide for live music in your area
Re: [ozmidwifery] griffith
The South East Slopes group seems to have contacts in Wagga. And yes, women there really want hb but there are no MWs. J - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] griffith Dear Andrea So glad to hear of your support. What a huge effort. Griffith and Wagga have nothing (that I know of). There is no MC activity and despite some good midwives no-one willing to stand up for women :-( Andrea if you come across some willing women, please let us know, I would be happy to support an MC group establishing of both women and midwives. JC Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fertility Accupuncture Melbourne?
I'd be steering clear of anyone using the "O" word in conjunction with fertility! I had acupuncture as part of the immense amount of work to conceive my son. Fairfield Holistic Health Group, just a few doors down from Rhea. Brilliant team there with an amazing track record of helping women conceive. They also work happily with clients using conventional meds too. J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fertility Accupuncture Melbourne? Can someone recommend any acupuncturists in Melbourne who specialize in fertility and assisted conception? I have heard a few women rave about an obstetric acupuncturist (is that a word?!) in the CBD but the name eludes me Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth
this was the same as it was in 97' Yep and still a crock J Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: You all probably know this but it’s new to me, I hadn’t seen this before on the RANZCOG website in their homebirth paper: *College Statement* Title *Home births* Statement No. *C-Obs 2* Date of this document *November 2004* First endorsed by Council *March 1987* Next review due: *November 2006* *Statement* The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists is aware of changing attitudes in the community regarding pregnancy and its management and accepts the legitimate needs and aspirations of parents vary considerably. Recognising that a small number of women have chosen, and will continue to choose, a domiciliary environment in which to give birth to their babies, the College makes the following recommendations: *1. Women seeking home birth should be* • Informed regarding the increased risks of home birth in comparison to hospital birth for low risk women, as demonstrated by available evidence • Counselled regarding the significance of these risks as applied to their own obstetric condition *• **Urged to consider giving birth in a suitably modified hospital environment such as a Birthing* *Centre.* Hmph. I wonder what the update will be like in November. Best Regards, *Kelly Zantey* Creator, BellyBelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood /*//*//*/BellyBelly Birth Support http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support/*/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 31/07/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC
Gail I've heard of it being sold to women as a great thing because it means they'll be out of OT faster and in recovery with their babies. And yes, in Australia. Of course once you go back to your surgeon and ask if you're allowed (snort!) to attempt (more snorting!) a VBAC, you're not and hey presto instant justification for the surgeon's more convenient path - ERC. I believe in Europe however that single layer is common and yet their VBAC rates are generally higher and UR not thought to be the big scary thing it is here where misinformation is rife. All food for thought, hey?! J - Original Message - From: Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] VBAC Hi everybody, For those of you who were at that wonderful homebirth conference in Geelong last month, you may recall Ina May warning us about women in the US whose uterus had been sutured in one single layer instead of two following caesareans and the problems this poses for future VBACs. When I went onto PN ward, I told the staff about this they laughed at me and were adamant that it would never happen here in Australia. Our doctors are too well trained. Guess what? I've gone through the notes this week of caesars done last week this. Two of the women had their uteruses sutured in a single layer. Can't happen here? Just wanted to make you aware it certainly does and is. Regards, Gail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Hawaiian Law Now Permits Parents to Keep Placentas
A move to declare placentas infectious waste angered Hawaiians who use the placenta in religious ceremonies, highlighting the conflict between modern medicine and traditional culture, Oddly enough, after my recent birth I had to TF for some postnatal care to Canterbury Birthing Unit here in Sydney and I took my recently severed and partially eaten placenta along. First I had to fight off demands to take it to pathology because your baby was born at home. Clearly a condition requiring pathology ; ) Then they checked it and told me it was entire hahahahaha - I ate lots of it, people, before I went to the hospy! THEN! I was asked to sign a permission form with NSW Dept Health stamp on it to be allowed to take it home and promising to not plant it in a public park, within a metre of a fence line or any shallower than 1 metre. I've never heard of such a thing before! Interesting article, Carolyn! J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] brisbane homebirth
HMA and Joyous Birth have extensive links to the ONE REMAINING REGISTERED MIDWIFE IN BRISBANE. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and get the contact details for HMA off our website. Cheers, J - Original Message - From: Jennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] brisbane homebirth Ive had an enquiry from a friend in Brissy for a homebirth midwife - anybody know of anyone who can help? cheers -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women’s Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer – Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Isobel Joy has arrived...
Isobel Joy Stokes Fraser was born beautifully at home, in water, into her daddy's hands Thursday 13th July. She weighs 3.7kgs and has taken to life earthside with remarkable alacrity! Thanks to those who supported me through a challenging, lengthy labour. I couldn't have done it without you! Photos as soon as they're uploaded. From Janet, Trevor, Conor AND Isobel! For home birth information go to:Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums.http://www.joyousbirth.info/Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
