Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9
Thanks Judy - I didnt get to see it as I had a private consultation last night. But I have read transcripts. Pinky - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on ACA TONIGHT - Channel 9 ACA was on after the cricket here so I saw the trailer and stayed to watch. Great Pinky, you came across as much more caring than the other woman. Cheers Judy --- Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out ACA tonight at 6.30pm, Pinky will be on about babies and sleep. Don't forget to write in and say you liked the segment ask for more of Pinky :-) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby Australian Birth http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/ Post Natal Services Conference 2007 Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Serena Esther arrived
Philippa - I can hear those endorphins - how beautiful! love and congratulations and welcome Serena - enjoy your baby moon. Pinky - Original Message - From: Philippa Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Alan Linda Trewern ; Anke ; Cathy Styles ; CBI Students ; Debbie Holland ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Emma Chadwick ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; MARIE MCAULIFFE ; 'Mary Emeleus' ; Melissa Hooper ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ozmidwifery ; Shelley Todd ; Teri Shilling ; Tracy and Michael Alloway ; Tracy Cox Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:01 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Serena Esther arrived Hi all, I thought you would all like to know that Serena Esther Scott was born gently and beautifully into the water at home on 1/02/2007. She was a lovely 9pnd 7oz or 4280grams (my biggest by far). It was a perfect birth for us with no tears or bleeds or anything else to necessitate the need for assistance. As you can imagine I am on a high. Alana Brianna watched with awe and excitement and are talking about it lot. It was so wonderful to have them there. Trevor is finally convinced home water birth is the way to go, he was terrific. All my women folk where as amazing as I knew they would be I am so blessed to have friends such as these. The experience would not have been the same with out them. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville
[ozmidwifery] lovely breastfeeding story
Something inspiring... Pinky http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2701717page=1
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux/ chiro
Hi Michelle Suzi and Meg I absolutely agree that some babies do have reflux/ colic -I had one baby who vomited and screamed - baby no 3 - reflux wasnt a diagnosis in those days and I lived through it with her in a sling against my bare skin and a poncho over both of us. I actually wasnt worried that she had 'something dreadful' despite the first two being fat happy boys. I do believe allergies contributed - but certainly didnt have Michelle's experience of constipation as well. I would never undermine a mother's claim of 'reflux' -but I do seem to find that aboiut 2/ 3 of babies in my massage classes have been diagnosed AND medicated for reflux so I wonder if some of these are more of an 'unsettled' baby rather than a truly distressed one - there are definitely degrees eg the definition of colic - 3 hours of crying, 3 days a week for 3 weeks - I dont think two hours screaming is any fun for any mum but does she miss out on support if her baby cries less than the definition?. Or are there are other contributing causes to the crying that are simply being palmed off as 'reflux'. I believe what mums say and would especially never question a mum of multiples as having unrealistic expectations as they have comparison of their own previous experience. Perhaps I only see more desperate people and many mums are very isolated - who is taking a screaming baby out? In such cases it isnt easy for a tired, worried mum to see what is a range of baby behaviour when you are adjusting to a whole new life. Re the chiro - I had suggested to this particular mum ( with breech bub) that perhaps a chiro or osteopath would be helpful ( I was thinking more of hip/ nerve pinching) . Could an arm have been up by babys head and 'squashed'?? I havent seen the mum privately to ask this - when I asked did he favour one side/ seem more unsettled on a particular side, she didnt know as according to her, he was always so miserable that she couldnt tell and prescribed reflux meds werent helping. She is a vet herself so made her own choices. The chiro I referred to is paed trained (not many are), married to an osteopath and very gentle with babies -I have heard him speak ( he has spoken to midwives at RWH Melbourne) and seen him work ( on my own child and grandchild who was a gentle waterbirth but commando crawling asymmetrically, using one leg only - pushed off with the opposite leg a couple of days later ?? coincidence or treatment, I guess we wont know but I have seen 'slower' babies crawl the same week as a treatment) . I used to be a skeptic myself and would never refer to anybody I wasn't very confident about- even then I am gentle about suggesting anybody other than MCH: LC or GP - However, I have seen some wonderful results both from this particular chiro and some osteopaths - eg babies who favour one side/ positional turns and in particular one baby who was very 'sicky' dribbly and a very slow feeder (already on bottle before I met him) - baby came without his bib to class and I commented -I didnt know he had been to the chiro. The parents beaming, said, we took him to Braden yesterday and he feeds in twenty minutes now and has stopped vomiting/ dribbling. Pinky - Original Message - From: suzi and brett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux I have one of those coloured charts too - diary of a mad housewife! I always planned to blow it up and make art - its quite graphic and pretty! We could have an exhibition! mine did help explain to the Child Health nurse that - yes my baby never slept for 45 mins at a time then and hour of crying...for 7 months! I am absolutely convinced now that im more informed that it was REFLUX even though every one said its over diagnosed and mythological at the time. Sitting up, eating solids, general maturation of the oesophageal sphincter all helped and proved retrospectively what the prob was. If only some one had diagnosed it earlier and i had treated with homeopathics (and ive heard a great Bowen therapy technique helps too) I might have had a second baby after all ! Love suzi - Original Message - From: MHOOK To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux I don't know about over-diagnosis- my second baby (now 17) had reflux and it made her first six months the worst of my life. I'd had a perfectly normal time with my first baby, he was unsettled like most and woke at night until over 12 months but I considered that that was normal and looked forward to my second child with pleasure and anticipation. It was a nightmare- not hte birth, that was fine, but from about 3 weeks of age she screamed constantly, vomitted even while attached to the breast, never slept for more than 10 minutes at a time day or night- no one
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux
Helen - I tend to agree - I see many babies who have been 'diagnosed'with reflux - I heard a paed speak ( sorry cant remember his name) who said it was more to do with anxiety/ lack of attunement than a 'stomach' condition -I wouldnt blame parents though as anyone with an unsettled baby would be anxious/ vicious cycle. I have though seen babies settle miraculously' after a little work with parents - teaching baby massage is a very non-intrusive/ non blaming way to help parents become confident at attuning with baby non-verbal cues and thus responding appropriately; also if they do a few tangible things like positioning babies - ie head elevated - I show a lovely position with a pillow between parents bent legs( feet together, knees open, with pillow resting on parents feet), baby facing parent, so baby and parent make good eye contact - babies seem to stop grizzling straight away - and colic holds ; 'colic' massage -I too am a bit sceptical about all the 'wind' that seems to be around; plus a few changes to mums diet ( wonder if some of this is allergies/ food sensitivity - mums tend to fill up on chocolate when they feel stressed with unsettled bubs) and within days babies are much better. perhaps having a label takes away the blame aspect that parents are doing something wrong - I also see babies for whom meds make no difference - eg one this week diagnosed with 'reflux' -I suggested a really good paediatric chiro locally - bub had been breech ( vag birth) and turned out he had a shoulder dislocated - mum also eating loads of dairy. Bub was much calmer after his shoulder was fixed, relaxed and took a full massage that afternoon - the previous session he cried so much he couldnt be massaged at all. I wonder if the 'overdiagnosis' of reflux is a treatment of symptoms not a look at what could be causing the crying and /or vomiting. Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reflux Just found this article whilst surfing the net. I feel anecdotally that both reflux and colic are overdiagnosed. I am a midwife but not a MCH nurse. If it is so common maybe it IS a normal variation..what do you think about it? It just seems to me that some people aren't happy until they have a label and a medicine to treat it with when they have an unsettled baby. Maybe I am being too simplistic about this subject. Interested in the thoughts of some of our online listers. Helen http://www.bubhub.com.au/newsletterdec0601.shtml Reflux is so common it is almost seen as 'normal', or even trivial, and most people just don't understand how difficult life can be for many families, or understand the impact reflux can have on their lives! They may think of it erroneously as 'just a bit of vomiting', or 'just a behavioural issue'. They don't see how it impacts on the child's eating, sleeping, growth, behaviour or quality of life; or on the family's quality of life, relationships between partners, siblings or other children; finances; and even leisure time. The truth is, only families who have experienced it for themselves really understand. Many families: a.. Have difficulty getting people to believe just how bad the vomiting and/or the screaming really are b.. receive conflicting and confusing advice c.. become socially isolated d.. feel like failures as parents e.. have family and friends who just didn't understand Even when a baby is suffering from relatively uncomplicated reflux, families often need reassurance, and enjoy talking to someone who understands. For the families whose infants suffer complications, it is even more important that they can talk to other parents, and have the support, reassurance and understanding they need to get through this stressful experience
Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
what a lovely memory well worth the squashed hips Pinky - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Well, I co-slept with the kids (4,6,8) last night on the trampoline with the labrador snuffling underneath whilst we watching the stars come out and the comet on the south skyline as well. They are ratty today, my hips ache like anything, but the 8 yr old is SO happy - that's what memories are made of isn't it?? Cheryl _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
aww thanks Kelly Sleeping Like a Baby should be in all good bookshops - published by Penguin -or at my website(I have paypal so its very convenient). If anyone would like a laminated poster or two ( a cover shot), or some fliers for mums, please contact me offlist. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping If it wasn't for Pinky I wouldn't have co-slept with my two! I was very much a mainstream girl, expecting the system to look after me and tell me what to do. I met Pinky at a hospital pre-natal class 5 years ago, so it planted the seed about instinctive parenting there. After my daughter was born, I had a rough time from everyone around me who thought they knew about where a baby should be sleeping and for how long etc., and I felt guilty telling even my mothers group that I was co-sleeping. They all seemed to have it together, baking cakes, having showers, hosting dinners etc with sleeping babies. Yet I seemed the only person who had a daughter who was inconsolable unless she was attached to me 24x7 and sleep was a rare event. One midwife had even said to me in the hospital, 'I hope you won't be doing that when you get home.' Two weeks in sleep school (which was designed to be three days) that didn't 'work' so we had to leave anyway, a baby that lost weight and threw up solid foods every time as a result (even rice cereal) and me PND. So speaking to Pinky on my return, I was able to surrender and ignore all that rubbish and get on with it, which isn't as easy as it sounds for someone who felt clueless about parenting and no family support. She was a lifesaver. Both of my children have been breastfed past two also, it's a chain of events that happens with this sort of support - of course with a bub losing weight, what do you think they all told me I needed to do? :) So I strongly recommend my clients (and those on my site) read 'Sleeping Like a Baby', because it is appealing to a wide, commercial audience and I think that's the key. They all love it, and they love having certain books suggested to them to read, because there are so many out there. I have a recommended reading list I provide. But of course, many don't read these books until they really need it ;) I wish for the day where you go to the GP or wherever and get handed brochures on both homebirth and hospital birth, co-sleeping and cot sleeping etc. That would be just great. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:36 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored
Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Hi Belinda =- James McKenna's video footage is pretty convincing that sober, undrugged mums( some hospital mums will be medicated and this could be an issue) are not a danger to their babies. I personally find it offensive that mothers could be considered less responsive than an inert cot mattress. UK baby friendly have a hospital policy on cosleepimg postnatally if thats helpful I also have cosleeping info in my book Sleeping Like a Baby. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Belinda Pound [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Just general thoughts...not directed personally at you Raelene... A Few years ago when I had my daughter at mater mothers in Brisbane, some of the midwives that cared for us actually encouraged my daughter sleep beside me. We were having breastfeeding challenges (to say the least) and were encouraged that the skin to skin/smell close contact etc would be of benefit with supply/attachment/bonding etc. We co slept on a double bed; and I was shown how to place my arm so that if I did try to roll over...I couldn't thus not rolling onto my baby. I have since had my second child and we often co sleep. I hate the thought of him being over there in his crib by himself..I want him to hear my breathing/heartbeat and have my body warmth. It disturbs me how after carrying your baby for nine month in utero that establishments find it necessary to separate mother and baby and formulate policies in view of ??litigation should a baby be smothered by the mother whilst co sleeping. Just for interest sake, does anyone know if 'mothers instinct' plays a part in her not rolling on/smothering her babe when co sleeping? Cheers Belinda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 12:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and mental health
Hi Sue -I have vivid memories of a mum who came off lithium so she would be able to breastfeed- went into psychosis and didnt even recognise her bub. It was years ago . According to Hale(Medications in mothers milk. 11th edition) - lithium is generally increased (dosage) during preg due to increased renal clearance . After birth, levels need to be closely monitored as mother's renal clearance drops to normal. Several cases of lithium toxicity have been reported in newborns. According to Hale, breastfeeding is not necessarily contraindicated as long as babys levels are monitored and there are no symptoms of toxcicity but other anti manic drugs such as valproate may be a better option for breastfeeding mums. Of course this depends how confident the woman is re changing meds if the lithium is effective and balanced for her. Living with a family member on lithium ( male so not giving birth) the sad thing I have observed is that as people with mental illness become unwell they lose the insight that would tell them they were becoming unwell and so tend to blame others around them to rationalise their symptoms. I would suggest the woman and her partner/ family member give you a list of 'early warning signs' of her illness before she has her bub and that she keeps in good contact with her psychiatrist throughout pregnancy and postpartum. Home birth may be much better than hospital as she will be in familiar surroundings so will be monitored by loved ones who know her well and not treated with 'kid gloves' for what may well be 'normal' postpartum mood changes. Except of course that severe mania can happen very quickly and be very scary for everyone around to contain. What would be their plan if she became unwell? Get them to write this as they woudl a birth plan. Pinky - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] birth and mental health Hi, Do any of you have stories relating to the use of Lexapro and Lithium (two different women) and birth - particularly homebirths. Would appreciate any feedback re outcomes and neonatal well being. Also how the women manage their medication both pre and post birth. As usual there is a lot of info out thereand a lot of it conflicting, Thanks, Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and mental health
Hi again, Rodney whyte is fabulous with drugs - good one Barb. He will be able to discuss safe dosage levels re breastfeeding. Re changing meds - this can be a minefield to get balance - if it aint broke dont fix it would be my maxim. I have been to hell and back with my family member ( as has he!) on meds that didnt work well - Valproate was used for years with him and dosages were frequently adjusted without good balance between a therapeutic dose and side effects -side effects included weight gain ( severe); lethargy ( not easy to be responsive to a baby if you are comatose much of the day); and after several years he has drug induced hepatitis from the valproate ( biopsy diagnosed)- liver count has been high for almost a year now - ALT went up to 900 ( normal is 50; still hovering around 300 - 400) so all meds were removed ( thanks gastroenterologist!) and of course severe mania/ psychosis ensued. Lithium has been a godsend - as he now cant take any antidepressants because those that arent metabilised by the liver seem to create severe side effects. On lithium he only needs a very low dose of an antipsychotic - he had to come off a very effective one due to liver metabolism - was on antipsychotic and antidepressant while on valproate. I say lithium is great -so far..moods are stable (highs and lows seem to be minimised) ; side effects are minimal in comparison to all the other cocktails he was on - the bigger the mix of drugs the more side effects ( he is already on thyroxin -your client will need thyroid level checks too). I too find it crazy that each Dr cares for a small portion of the whole person when it comes to mental illness - dont get me started -I case manage because it seems there isnt a professional who can manage the total wellbeing or knows which drugs may affect the other bodily organs/ functions - have had psyciatrist prescribe drugs which cant be taken with poor liver function and gastros who remove psych drugs that are vital for sanity. I would trust the womans family members if they are invloved in her care and she sounds like she knows her body and how the drugs work for her (non pregnant at least). It is all so individual - not an exact science at all with psych meds. Good luck, Pinky - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] birth and mental health Thanks Pinky, That's great information and very insightful. I didn't know about increasing the lithium - she talked about decreasing it as it takes 6 months off lithium for her to become symptomatic. It's so hard to work through all the conflicting research and getting info from practitioners who specialise in one area only - like the psychiatrists who want to change her meds so she can breastfeed - surely we can milk bank or whatever initially to prevent baby's dehydration/ maternal sleep deprivation - the two main problems that I can see - and meantime keep her on meds that she is confident with and keep her well balanced. Any further info or stories would be very welcome, Sue Hi Sue -I have vivid memories of a mum who came off lithium so she would be able to breastfeed- went into psychosis and didnt even recognise her bub. It was years ago . According to Hale(Medications in mothers milk. 11th edition) - lithium is generally increased (dosage) during preg due to increased renal clearance . After birth, levels need to be closely monitored as mother's renal clearance drops to normal. Several cases of lithium toxicity have been reported in newborns. According to Hale, breastfeeding is not necessarily contraindicated as long as babys levels are monitored and there are no symptoms of toxcicity but other anti manic drugs such as valproate may be a better option for breastfeeding mums. Of course this depends how confident the woman is re changing meds if the lithium is effective and balanced for her. Living with a family member on lithium ( male so not giving birth) the sad thing I have observed is that as people with mental illness become unwell they lose the insight that would tell them they were becoming unwell and so tend to blame others around them to rationalise their symptoms. I would suggest the woman and her partner/ family member give you a list of 'early warning signs' of her illness before she has her bub and that she keeps in good contact with her psychiatrist throughout pregnancy and postpartum. Home birth may be much better than hospital as she will be in familiar surroundings so will be monitored by loved ones who know her well and not treated with 'kid gloves' for what may well be 'normal' postpartum mood changes. Except of course that severe mania can happen very quickly and be very scary for everyone around to contain. What would be their plan if she became unwell? Get them to write this as they woudl a birth
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
My daughter had a beautiful waterbirth at Monash medical centre - my son and partner are expecting and have been told no waterbirths' at RWH in Melbourne - why??? Pinky - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Wch in Adelaide do have a waterbirth policy and are offering waterbirth provided the midwife is accredited and is competent to facilitate the water birth. The protocol can be accessed under the perinatal protocols south Australia, cheers sharon -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 1:20 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi everyone, I know this question has been asked before, but I can’t remember the answer. Do we have any maternity units, birth centres etc who officially do waterbirth? I know homebirthers do, but I want to know about institutions. Thanks, MM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 3:54 PM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Bubhub and Dr Brown's bottle promotions
Hi Miriam - No I had no idea about my book in any brochure in NZ - what is the product? Thanks for informing me - gee dont we have to be vigilant! (03) 98011997 is the correct phone number Pinky - Original Message - From: safetsleep international [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bubhub and Dr Brown's bottle promotions pinky trying to get hold of you but couldn't get that ph# you emailed in sept., to do the trick...? ...are you aware your book and name also appear on a brochure over here featuring an untested baby 'sleeptime' product? warm rgds miriam - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bubhub and Dr Brown's bottle promotions Sure will complain Lara - I hadnt seen it - I get the threads sent to me to answer - very displeased. Pinky - Original Message - From: Lara [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bubhub and Dr Brown's bottle promotions I've just noticed that the Bubhub forums are featuring very prominent advertisements for a bottlefeeding product - even in the breastfeeding and advice from Pinky McKay section of the boards. This is a site that boasts about being supported by the Australian Lactation Consultants Association (ALCA). Example: http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=41867 I find this disgusting and would invite everyone here to contact them to express your displeasure. Lara Hopkins -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NO Births
what can we do Brenda?? Rosebud is a great place to have a baby. We cant sit back and let it happen. Pinky - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NO Births Hey Brenda Why on earth would you sit down for that. Where are your consumers running to the media. It is only at election time will we achieve anything! JC Hush Hush is how these things happen. Same is about to happen to Rosebud midwifery but it's being kept quiet because we are 2 weeks from an election it'll affect the voting ! How's that ?? With kind regards Brenda Manning -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Bubhub and Dr Brown's bottle promotions
Sure will complain Lara - I hadnt seen it - I get the threads sent to me to answer - very displeased. Pinky - Original Message - From: Lara [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Bubhub and Dr Brown's bottle promotions I've just noticed that the Bubhub forums are featuring very prominent advertisements for a bottlefeeding product - even in the breastfeeding and advice from Pinky McKay section of the boards. This is a site that boasts about being supported by the Australian Lactation Consultants Association (ALCA). Example: http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/showthread.php?t=41867 I find this disgusting and would invite everyone here to contact them to express your displeasure. Lara Hopkins -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Barb - I have taken home posters to hand out around my 'neighbourhood" - Drs hospital etc LOVE the Calendar! Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Wouldn't there be special advertising rates for NOT-For-Profit organizations such as ABA? Or could the government sponsor such an ad as it will ultimately save them lots of money down the track if more women breastfeed. They are supposedly supporters of pushing the breastfeeding message anyway. I think it would be great to have that ad in the Australian! Helen - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, Yes, complain, please! Send it to APMAIF. The money spent on promotion is unbelievable. I was daydreaming about putting an ad in "Australian Doctor" last week. I was thinking of a beautiful breastfeeding baby with the words "Breastfeeding. No false advertsing necesary" Until I found out the rates. $16 500 per page. Unbelievable. And, Kelly, and others thanks for your support of the Australian Breastfeeding Association. All money goes into supporting and promoting breastfeeding. Barb - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? After today, I am definitely going to complain. As soon as I heard the words uttered to a consumer that its like breastmilk; I just thought that was so wrong and gave the saleswoman daggers. I dont like how they are selling the products and relating it to breastmilk, its misleading. And while the main exercise seems to be promoting toddler formula, they are not shying to chat to those with newborns people were walking away with boxes of the stuff, some 2, 3 even 8 boxes. It breaks my heart that they think this stuff is really what they need to give their babies / toddlers the best. My mind started ticking over all these slogans I would love to see in advertising, inspired by the Suck on This article that was published in Ecologist Magazine in April, but I will bite my tongue. Btw. LOVE the new ABA calendar. Will be sure to get one tomorrow, just divine. Yvette actually brought me over some beautiful ABA posters which now proudly decorate my stand!!! Id love to do more work/promotion with the ABA; I loved the messages on the posters. Just reminded me of how awesome of an organization they are and how wonderful the messages they offer. Keep up the fabulous work guys love it. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrea QuanchiSent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Well as a MCHN i was certainly not trained by Wyeth. I paid for it myself at great expense. We did have one session from a company rep talking about formula in the context of those mothers who choose to use formula. It was in relation to how to read the nutritional panel on the tin and what to look for. They were under no illusion when they left that al the women in the room were advocates of breast feeding but I found it quite informative none the less and have found it useful in my role as a MCHN when relieving for the shires when the breast feeding rates are often abismal. Just out of interest the rep that attended was not from wyeth. I am interested to know where this idea that they are sponsoring MCHN's comes from and the inference that MCHN are brainless idiots that cant see through their aadvertising games Andrea On 21/10/2006, at 8:38 AM, jesse/jayne wrote: Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to
[ozmidwifery] my letter to 60 minutes
My letter to sixty minutes I could have written an encyclopedia on that segment but figure they will only read short ones - well done Janet. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com Why do we need to label parenting styles? Or to offer such exteme definitions? This is about as much attachment parenting as saying that people who are environmentally conscious must grow all their own food, make all their own clothes, build their own homes, and live in isolation. Attachmentisn't about what kind of nappies parents use (or dont!), and it doesnt require both parents to give up their day jobs, nor does it require adults to 'earn' children's respect or never say 'no'. Surely all people deserve to be treated with respect -including children. We CAN have happy, creative children AND encourage mutual respect however long we choose to breastfeedor share sleep witb our children or whether we send them to school or not.
[ozmidwifery] promoting home birth/ midwives
Hi all - at the risk of possibly sounding 'commercial' there is a lovely discussion started on my forum re homebirth - your comments may help some mummies make empowered choices. Thanks Kylie if you are also on this list. - look under "Last day" -I dont have a very big forum but the women there are very supportive to each other and seeking gentle options- many after a traumatic first birth. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/cgi/discuss/ Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story
What a lot of fabulous people all out there working away in different ways supporting parents! Your conceptsounds lovely Dianne. And Parvi - your shop sounds beautiful - a greatway to reach more mothers who possibly have no idea that they need to prepare for birth and motheringin any way other than buying pretty clothes or gear for baby. Any English speakers who may be interested in my new book - Sleeping Like a Baby - definitely baby and birth friendly and absolutely no controlled cryng!? Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re birth story I know of many women who really baulk at making contact with a 'group' of some sort where they need to phone in or go to a meeting place. I agree Tania, that consumer society must feel they have to pay for something for it be valuable, pretty sad, but true. I'm hoping to access those women and their families who just stumble upon the information about courses and groups by coming browsing in the 'shop' part, some people don't know what they want until it is front of them. This makes sense as, many women don't know what choices they have until they hear about others, and if birth isn't in the everyday tearoom discussions, then women just don't hear about it. Their Doctor isn't likely to tell them! Even in our public systemwomen just don't know what their choices are until they come to book in. Usually the GP asks if theyhave private health cover, if they do, they ask which OB they want to see. Most of the women's mothers just ask when they get to see the doctor! If we can get to those who don't know what to look for , then we might get somewhere. JB getting out to fetes etc is one way,and things like IWD and RTN, but I think that many of those women are already wellinformed and politically motivated. Its the others, the mainstream, that I hope to get to. When we get to them, they can then get information about different groups and maybe gain confidence to join ABA and other groups. Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re birth story Just chiming in, we have three very active consumer based birth support/education groups here in Adelaide, CARES, the caesarean support group, Birth Matters SA, a more generic info group where women gather and talk about where to get good information, and how to get a good/better birth, and the Homebirth Network of SA, which has been clocking over 40 women a month at our regular coffee mornings! Not bad for a group that only 3 years ago had two or three women turning up… there are small but significant communities out there, and yes, there does need to be more of a commercial feel about some of it. Unfortunately we live in a time where many people think that the more you pay for something, the more it is worth. Hence a few of our information nights such as a waterbirth info night, attracted a lot more interest when we advertised it as $15 per couple, than when we held Birth Choices nights for free…that’s just how it is, and if you can charge for something, and then plough the profits back into more advertising in the mainstream, or into your library or newsletters etc, then that’s great. Also agree with Barb, the ABA was a lifesaver for me with a new baby and in a remote place as a new mum… Tania --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 13/09/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 13/09/2006
[ozmidwifery] re birth story
Hi all, I have just thought some of you may be interested in reading my "column' about my daughters waterbirth - it was published as one of my monthly columns in Practical Parenting a few months ago and is up on my website - every little bit helps, as they say. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/features/pregnancy/family_born.html Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Karicare Ad/Parents Jury
Barb _ I registered but could figure out how to vote so have emailed the site owners. Pinky - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Karicare Ad/Parents Jury Hi, check this out. This ad is one of the most appalling examples of the insidious methods formula companies use to advertise their product. I'd encourage everyone to vote. http://www.parentsjury.org.au/tpj_news.asp?ContainerID=1967Nomination 3: Karicare Toddler Gold Formula Ad description: Claymation bear with toddler bear. She talks about feeding her child Karicare instead of regular cows milk. "Nature's next step."Parents concerns:- "Very false advertising by saying the mother didn't want to introduce the milk of another species so is giving formula instead. It is a cows milk derivative and really high in sugar so very false."- "It vilifies regular cows milk but the product actually contains cows milk."Fact:- Made with whole cows milk powder.- High in added sugar in the form of maltodextrin and dextrose.- World Health Organisation recommends "all babies are exclusively breastfed for at least the first six months of life and together with complementary food, breastfed ideally for up to two years." (The Public Health Association of Australia, 2006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 3
[ozmidwifery] Why I choose not to..
sent to me by a mum -substitute'breastfeeding' for "carseat" WHY I CHOOSE NOT TO USE A CAR SEAT Author unknown I refuse to feel guilty for making an educated choice to not put my baby in a car seat. There are so many militant car seat users in our society and I am tired of them pushing their beliefs on me. There are lots of reasons I have made this choice. First of all, I want my husband to be able to drive him around in his car. He can just sit him on his lap when they go for a ride. This will help him bond and be closer with our son. I don't want to be the only one that drives him around. It makes my husband, mother and friends feel special when they can take him for rides. I will be returning to work in 6 weeks and I don't want a big old car seat in the back of our luxury car. I never put my first son in a car seat and he is just fine. I was never in a car seat, neither was my mother and we are both as healthy as can be. On the other hand, my sister in law's cousin used a car seat and her child was seriously injured in a car wreck. My aunt tried to use a car seat and wasn't able to. She was never able to latch the baby in the seat properly. In fact, my car is too small for a car seat anyway. What matters most is that my baby is healthy and happy. When I left the hospital, they told me that I should try to use the car seat, but if it didn't work out that it was all right to not use it. In fact, in the diaper bag that I received from the hospital, it has some information for how to safely ride in the car with my son without a car seat. I tried for 1 week to use a car seat with my first son and it made both of us miserable. I told my pediatrician about it, and he said it would probably be best to not use a car seat anymore. Now he is happy and content sitting on my lap as we drive. Using a car seat is just so inconvenient! My privacy is also an issue. Do I want everyone to know when they see my car that I have a child??? Besides, my children need to learn how to ride in the car without being in the car seat. I don't want a 3 year old still wanting to get in his seat! \ I know that using a car seat has some benefits, but there are a lot of people out there who don't use them and their kids are just fine! There are people out there that cannot use a car seat (can't latch baby in properly, car is too small, doesn't match with the interior). Using a car seat is a personal choice and nobody's business. As a parent I have made the decision for what is best for my child. It works best for us and our child.and that is all that is important. It's my choice after all, isn't it??
Re: [ozmidwifery] OMG what next?
holy cow!!! to think they may actually be sold to unsuspecting women is appalling. Pinky - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] OMG what next? What about this one? http://www.pregnancystore.com/pushpal_birthing_aid.htm Päivi - Original Message - From: Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] OMG what next? http://www.pregnancystore.com/zaky.htm I think this is actually a real product... Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Gina Ford gagging uk discussion list
Hi all, I will be on ACA tonight -the promos were on at the weekend - help your baby go from this ( crying bub) to this ( sleeping bub) in just one day! ( yes really!!! I was wondering if they had made it up but it actually happened - a mum called me and said her bub had slept for 7 hours after I visited her - wish my own bubs had been that cooperative!) I have no idea how the story will go but I worked with two mums "supernanny' style and they did both settle beautifully - one bottle fed and one breastfed. Ididnt want to set any unrealistic expectations but did hope to show that nurturing for both mum and bubcan give a happy, calmmum and baby -it has been a big risk- I was worried re the performance anxiety for mums of having cameras in their bedrooms and what slant the story would take, but sounds like it will be a positive story. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Gina Ford gagging uk discussion list Oh Debbie I am sorry to hear that L This is what many baby sleep experts are resorting to at the moment to protect their names and $$$ - not good. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Debbie SlaterSent: Tuesday, 8 August 2006 9:48 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Gina Ford gagging uk discussion list Apparently GF has had her lawyers on to a UK discussion board - Mumsnet - regarding comments made about her L Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, Trauma Personality
what an amazingteacher to acknowledge that - even though it should be 'basic commonsense'. Pinky - Original Message - From: suzi and brett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, Trauma Personality WhenI was being interviewed by a teacher prior to the placement of my 7 year old son in a new (for him)school it was such a welcome change that thequestions began atour pregnancy, she asked how it was and then the birth...where was it, was there drugs? trauma? was itin water or on land, with midwife?Then we moved on to other things, for how long did he breastfeed? how did he sleep, how was he when he woke in the morning? what is he afraid of?...it was such a joy that these things were considered important to who Noah is and how he maybe in a class room. I knew he was to be with the right teacher. Love Suz x
[ozmidwifery] baby DVD
Forwarding this for a friend - her homebirthed sonactually - hes now making/ editingDVDs as a career Subject: Baby DVD Hi guys, We are possibly making a US version of the Baby DVD. We'll need an American couple we can follow around for a couple of months and then film their birth. I was wondering if you guys might know anyone who might be keen, or have access to any groups or networks who may have interested people, basically I'm floundering in the dark and need leads! I don't think filming would be till early next year... Cheers Leslie Leslie Marsh Creative Director PNMG InspiredCommunication PNMG Pty Ltd 8 /1 Danks St WATERLOO NSW 2017 Ph: +61 2 8399 2128 Fax: +61 2 8399 2141 Mob: 0433 399 280 http://www.pnmg.com.au Sydney- Melbourne - Adelaide
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!
Hi Kelly - Kerri Anne is on Tomorrow ( prerecord yesterday) -Thursday 13th between 10.30 and 11am Also - nine am with david and Kim tomorrow am - I think thats before ten - Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!! Tomorrow on TODAY: Sleeping like a baby? Does your baby or toddler have trouble sleeping? Be watching tomorrow at 8.10am when we speak with parenting expert Pinky McKay about this common problem. If you'd like to ask Pinky a question - email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 5:53 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!! Hello all! Please tune into the Today Show (8.10am AEST) and Kerri-Anne (bet. 10.30-11am AEST) tomorrow, the 11th July. Pinky will be on and she needs our support!!! Dont forget to write in, AFTER the show hehehe to let them know we loved her being on and would like to see more. Go Pinky! (who sounds like she is having a gorgeous time in Sydney!!!) Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!
The show is called Nine am and david and Kim are teh presenters. Its teh same time as Bert used to be on - smae time as Kerri Anne - but being in WA - the channel ten show I was on Live earlier - about 10 am and Kerri- anne just after 10.30 - it was prerecorded. Hopefully lots of mums can relax -= was one of the email questions on Today from you? The media response has been phenomenal -I have already been asked back on several of them. Pinky www.pinky-mychild - Original Message - From: Jo Watson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!! Thanks for your reply on the Today show, Pinky ;) I thought you came across really well, and hopefully made people think twice about co-sleeping, especially. 9am with David and Kim, what's that show? Or is that the name of the show? I don't think we get that here in WA if it is the name. Good luck! Jo On 12/07/2006, at 7:19 PM, Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Kelly - Kerri Anne is on Tomorrow ( prerecord yesterday) -Thursday 13th between 10.30 and 11am Also - nine am with david and Kim tomorrow am - I think thats before ten - Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!! Tomorrow on TODAY: Sleeping like a baby? Does your baby or toddler have trouble sleeping? Be watching tomorrow at 8.10am when we speak with parenting expert Pinky McKay about this common problem. If you'd like to ask Pinky a question - email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 5:53 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!! Hello all! Please tune into the Today Show (8.10am AEST) and Kerri-Anne (bet. 10.30-11am AEST) tomorrow, the 11th July. Pinky will be on and she needs our support!!! Don’t forget to write in, AFTER the show hehehe to let them know we loved her being on and would like to see more. Go Pinky! (who sounds like she is having a gorgeous time in Sydney!!!) Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
[ozmidwifery] re book launch
Hi all, If any of you would like to come, the official launch of my new book "Sleeping Like a Baby" ( Penguin) is this Saturday. Babies MOST welcome. Feel free to pass this on to anybody who may be interested. See below for details. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com When? Saturday 8 July 2006 @ 2pm Where? Borders, Chadstone, VIC Shop B16, Chadstone Shopping Centre 1341 Dandenong Road, Chadstone PLEASE RSVP by Thursday 6 July 2006 to Vicky Axiotis (03) 9811 2415 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] It's A Girl
Congratulations Katrina Well done! Enjoy your babymoon, Pinky - Original Message - From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] It's A Girl Congratulations Katrina! Cheers, Di Longworth - Original Message - From: Ceri Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] It's A Girl Hi Everyone I was hoping to announce my news along with the birth story, but the story will have to come later! ;-) Introducing my new little munchkin Lilly born @40+6 Born last Saturday 24 June 2006 Weighed: 3740grams HC 35.5cms Length 52cms Labour was 3.5hours, mostly spent in the shower. No drugs, intact peri, breastfeeding well. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !
thanks Sue and Felicity - yes he is slowly getting better -of course its very early days and a learning curve for both of us. Im sure baby steps will get us there. Pinky - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold ! So sorry to hear about your husband Pinky. I do hope he recovers quickly. Best wishes Sue - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold ! I would love to be going and got info from sarah Buckl;ey last week but things have been a bit 'hairy' here to say theleast.my husband had a heart attack on friday so unfortunately I wont be there. Pinky - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold ! Are many Ozmidders going to the conference? Sue - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold ! Dear all Just to update you that the 24th Homebirth Australia Conference has just about sold out at the 'larger conference venue'. We only have five tickets left and the program is now complete and available for viewing on the website. Please note we do not do day only tickets. There are only20spacesleft for the conference dinner which will be held on sat july1. Registration forms can be downloaded at www.homebirthaustralia.org We will be convening a national press conference on the issues for remote and rural women who have lost their local birthing services pre-conference on Friday June 30 at Parliament House Victoria, please stay tuned. Women, babies, families, balloonsand banners warmly welcomed to attend for a 'photo shoot' outside Parliament House at 12 noon. We look forward to seeing you all there... Warm Regards Sally-Anne Brown for the 24th Homebirth Australia conference team. 04319 466 47 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/2006 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.3/374 - Release Date: 23/06/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !
I would love to be going and got info from sarah Buckl;ey last week but things have been a bit 'hairy' here to say theleast.my husband had a heart attack on friday so unfortunately I wont be there. Pinky - Original Message - From: Susan Cudlipp To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold ! Are many Ozmidders going to the conference? Sue - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold ! Dear all Just to update you that the 24th Homebirth Australia Conference has just about sold out at the 'larger conference venue'. We only have five tickets left and the program is now complete and available for viewing on the website. Please note we do not do day only tickets. There are only20spacesleft for the conference dinner which will be held on sat july1. Registration forms can be downloaded at www.homebirthaustralia.org We will be convening a national press conference on the issues for remote and rural women who have lost their local birthing services pre-conference on Friday June 30 at Parliament House Victoria, please stay tuned. Women, babies, families, balloonsand banners warmly welcomed to attend for a 'photo shoot' outside Parliament House at 12 noon. We look forward to seeing you all there... Warm Regards Sally-Anne Brown for the 24th Homebirth Australia conference team. 04319 466 47 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] informed consent
Hi Diane, thanks for your lovely feedback - my new book "Sleeping like a baby" (Penguin) will be releasedat the beginning of July /. Official Launch at Borders Chadstone 2pm, sat 8th July - if anyone would like an official invite to attend or pass on - bellies babies and parents all welcome - please contact me offlist. Pinky - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] informed consent Thanks Suzi, Am presenting our next series of Birth/parenting classes starting this Saturday. I am currently in the process of reworking the content... oh for more time... but you can guarantee there will be a underlying theme of informed decision making worked into each topic!!! I will have to do an audit of notes later to see the results of this captive audience. And Pinky, just read your book.. 100 ways... loved it.. will be a lovelygift for my step daughter, but also lots of thoughts to discuss in the parenting part of my classes. There are many things I remember discovering about my own son when he was little, that you have written about, It made my smile remembering these things, like stroking his nose to put him to sleep! Cheers Di - Original Message - From: suzi and brett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: E-News 8:11 - Postdates Pregnancies (May 24, 2006) Keep on truckin' Di, I know its really hard copping the heat when what you are actually doing is doing your job really well...there's lots of us chipping away out here, all over the country (world), its good to remember by hearing the comments on the list that were are not alone with our "radical" thoughts. Trying to marginalise ideas which are really strong and important is another ploy to silence us. Viva la hysteria! Love suzi - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: E-News 8:11 - Postdates Pregnancies (May 24, 2006) but the women are free to say what they want and demand complete informed consent, and we can help them navigate that rocky terrain. Absolutely, the point I tried to make at our meeting at work last week, but the powers to be and some colleagues,think that women who don't ask or demand info, should only be given the standard spiel to gain 'informed' consent, eg for Vit K. I try to expand on anything and enlighten them to the whole spectrum of choice. I consider myself to be advocate for all women within my care even if it is only one antenatal visit or a phone enquiry. When being advocate for those who do demand, who almost always are well informed, the establishment seem to think that is OK, but talk about the same stuff to all women, especially those who are basically un -knowledgeable about anything related to their bodies and babies, then I am just being radical. I feel these are the women whobenefit from our advocacy the most. Its a frustrating situation, to be criticised for empowering women to make these decisions about themselves. I find it less rewarding advocating for those who are already empowered to express their wishes. Di - Original Message - From: suzi and brett To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: E-News 8:11 - Postdates Pregnancies (May 24, 2006) I love that you use the word mysogony Justine,and hi and thankyou to you Penny too. I was talking to a fellow midwife at my hosp about it the other day. Sometimeswe wanted to give the benefit of the doubt...at worst that the actions ofsome Drs was paternalistic - wanting to help the poor ladies from their suffering (whileof course making life litigiously safer for themselves and getting paid more). Then i also considered it was just ignorance on the part of some doctors, unware of the amazing beuaty and awesome transedence of anything worldly in natural birth and the power that this gives women.They rarely get to see beautiful birth (which is why i love working with student doctors in birth and getting in their ears). Maybe they don't understand how good it can be for women, is it too spiritual, too unscientific for them to get
Re: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight
Hi Kelly - there seemed to be a lot of 'attacking' altogether. I was disappointed not to hear Sarah Buckley - saw her there but her words must have been edited - seems that unless there is some controversy or a strong opinion it isnt shown - a bit like the kids really . Im sure the family taped would have had 'quiet' moments too but they looked like wild kids - must say mum and dad seemed pretty nice and normal to me. Michael Carr -Gregg came across pretty tough and yet he is a lovely person and very sensible and reasonable in real life. perhaps working with teens he is ina slightly different space -I have a friend who works in adolescent mental health whois alsoshocked at how parents are scared of their teens and never say no yet with babies, parents are urged to set limits - ie let them cry etc when this is so inappropriate developmentally - she is frustrated that it is so 'arse up' . As an example - my daughter got a handout for her 2 week old baby from MCH nurse - city of Whitehorse - it told parentsthey could allow babies this age to cry for 20 minutes to teach them to sleep and toshow them you mean BUSINESS - business was in italics and underlined. I am appalled and not at all surprised that mum and bub who had been doing beautifully were unsettled for the next couple of days. Amazingly ( or perhaps not!) both settled again when she threw the handout in the bin - away from view on her coffee table. Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight The only thing that I cringed at with the attachment parenting was the was she attacked the parents who admitted that they chose to smack this is only bridging a bigger gap and it could have been said better not saying I am defending the smacking, I dont agree or do it either, but were all about informing them about better ways to do things, not making them bitter about the other side. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and GrahamSent: Tuesday, 23 May 2006 8:59 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight Have just finished watching Superbrats. What struck me was the calm behaviour of the children belonging to the "attachment parenting" advocates. I am probably biased but I couldn't help but notice their contentment whenthe cameraperson wasfocused on them. Helen From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Superbrats - on tonight Just an FYI sorry if not appropriate. SUPERBRATSAre we bringing up a generation of brats? Have todays parents lost the plot? Some parents are ready to admit they lose control of their children as soon as theyre toddlers. The result can be spoilt, self centred, unruly kids. Kids who grow up ill-equipped to deal with the discipline of school. Do we live in a world where parents have to turn to televisions Supernanny to find out how to bring up their children? Recent studies at the University of Queensland reveal almost a third of parents have sought professional help for their childs behavioural or emotional problems. Over fifty percent of parents report high stress levels. Professor Matt Sanders, a leading expert in parenting, says we are producing me me children who cant cope with disappointments. The reasons include over-worked parents, family breakdown, and confusion about the best way to bring up kids. Not everyone agrees. The optimists claim todays kids are much happier than the seen-but-not-heard generations. Others are horrified at the tough methods of the Supernanny and her followers, arguing the discipline of the naughty corner damages children. On this weeks INSIGHT, we bring parents together with professionals who reckon they know how best to raise tomorrows generation. SUPERBRATS will be broadcast on TUESDAY MAY 23RD at 7.30pm on SBS. Repeated on FRIDAY at 1pm at MONDAY at 2pm. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support __ NOD32 1.1553 (20060522) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] proud moment
Go Sue -you must be so proud of your daughters. Isnt it wonderful that your influence is spreading to the next generation! Dont ever underestimate the power of 'the hand that rocks the cradle Pinky - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] proud moment Hi guys, just to let you know of a proud moment in my life. not only do i have a firstborn daughter who can deliver calves by herself by c/section in the middle of paddocks, but i now have a second born daughtermed student who has helped birth her first woman. she sat through twelve hours of labour for a sixth birth and 'caught' her first baby. said it was the best thing she'd ever done and understands me more because of it. at a particularly stressful time in my student career i really appreciate the important things in life... Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] MOY interview
congratulations Mary!!! Well deserved! Pinky - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] MOY interview Thanks Jan and everyone else! I was thrilled that the essence of midwifery was being celebrated. The woman who wrote the nomination was concise and eloquent in her praise of midwifery skills. She captured the spirit of one to one midwifery care in about 50 words. It is all I have strived to achieve over the years. It is all that midwives can achieve if they are given the right environment. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] MOY interview
Mary - this is beautiful. You must be so proud of yourself - a birthing woman couldnt ask for more. You are truly making a difference to the lives of families -women and their relationships with partners and babies. Pinky - Original Message - From: Heartlogic To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] MOY interview How simply, heartwarminglyand elegantly beautiful. Thanks for sharing this Mary, it's great to see you so appreciated. You are, and always have been, a gem and an inspiration. hugs, Carolyn (Hastie) - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] MOY interview Cherie wrote: She placed me at the centre of my own experience, respecting my wishes and encouraging me to listen to my own body and trust my instincts. I felt totally empowered, safe and comfortable. My every need was anticipated and attended to. Her support was unobtrusive and wise. Thank you Mary. Mary Could you post what she said? I know that you the modest person that you are would not blow your own trumpet, but I would love to hear what she said about midwifery skills.
Re: [ozmidwifery] a small step
What a lovely story. Now I have one -my daughter Larissa had an exquisite waterbirth at Monash Birth centre on Monday - no drugs, no stitches, lovely gentle hands off midwives. Thanks to Monique, Lainie and Fiona. Larissa has started motherhood confident and intuitively - breastfeeding beautifully, hubby is very proud of her and baby and she is impressed with his support during labour/ birth so a wonderful start to being a family. I am in oxytocin 'overload' both from the birth and baby cuddling ( he hasn't yet been 'out of arms') -I feel as though 'nothing else matters' rather like when I had my own babies -its a beautiful space. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: The Johnsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] a small step A good news story of persistence getting the desired result in a private hospital. I recently underwent a second Caesar to deliver my daughter, and with the help of my independent midwife was able to have a really good experience in a hospital somewhat known for being a stickler for regulations (ie we got away with deviating from the norm). Firstly we made it clear from the beginning that my midwife would be in the theatre with me from the word go. She did a lot of phoning and meeting people in the days leading up to ensure that this would happen. There was some concern that there would be too many people in the operating theatre, which was ironic considering four people (two nursing students and two doctoral students) came and asked permission to watch the Caesar. It was great having her there to support me both physically and emotionally from the spinal (where she cradled me in her arms and described everything that was happening so it was easier) to taking photos of our baby's birth, cutting the cord for us (husband didn't want to) and bringing us our gorgeous girl. She then accompanied me to recovery, while my husband went with the baby. She suggested at the time that the baby could come with us to recovery, even if no midwifery staff were available from the hospital. My husband then took up the baton upstairs and pretty much insisted that we had a perfectly good midwife with me in recovery and a few minutes later my baby was with me and we were working on our first breastfeed. We all went up to our room together and she stayed and took photos of our son meeting his little sister for the first time, and of her grandparents getting to know her, and helping getting her back on the breast. She stayed with us until we were all settled and happy. It made having to have a repeat Caesar a really positive experience. Hopefully now that hospital will be more accommodating of other women wanting to have independent midwife care as well. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] massage in pregnancy
Hi Janet, Just this week I took my very pregnant daughter (38 weeks)into Body Freedom Urban retreat in Sth Melbourne for a pregnancy massage- shes been there several times they have a couple of specifically trained pregnancy masseurs. Jaqueline, one of the owners of the retreat is who my daughter sees/ loves has quite a following among pregnant women ( they later come to my baby massage classes at the retreat). It may be worth this student calling Jaqueline and asking for a meeting to discuss massage styles for pregnancy and educating herself. Touch is powerful but in a positive way with many health benefits so I wonder where your student got her info? Pinky From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:26 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] massage in pregnancy Hi all, can anyone recommend a form of massage particularly beneficial in pregnancy? I've been in contact with a massage student who's been told that she must never on any account massage a woman in pregnancy as it can cause miscarriage. Personally I know that's a crock but I'd love to be able to give her better info, perhaps on traditional and well evidenced forms of massage in pregnancy. TIA, J For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise
Tracy Hogg from the Uk ( who actually wrote The Baby Whisperer) did die last year BUT there are many people who claim to be baby whisperers - - usually childless themselves - not that that is always bad but how can you understand the hormonal mummy mindset that gears us up to respond to our babies when they are OUR OWN babies - so tug at OUR heartstrings? It is easy to say let them protest/ cry/ wait when they are not YOUR baby and you dont have that exquisite connection. Pinky - Original Message - From: Jane Wines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise I thought she had died last year? Is that the one from the UK - I'm sure she had a heart attack!! Jane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Watson Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:34 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sunrise The baby whisperer was on Sunrise this morning - did anyone see it? Touting strict day time routines to make your baby sleep all night. You *need* to do [this] etc. No mention that every baby is different. I'm sure there would be a transcript of it up somewhere if anyone's interested. I haven't decided what to write in my email to them yet ;) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory
Kelly - how will you be protected re doulas standards/ training? Or will you use a disclaimer? There is an Australian Doulas register at www.doulasaustralia.com Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory Hey everyone, On chatting to some fellow Maternity Coalition members and due to getting so many emails asking where to find doulas, I have decided to finally get up and running the Birth Attendant / Doula Directory I have been meaning to do for the last 12 months! Please feel free to check it out - have your details added or forward this onto others who might like to be added too. Hopefully well have a huge Australian resource where women can find someone to support them anywhere in Australia as well as helping those attendants / doulas out there wanting to do more births find them from the exposure on my site which is currently getting around 3,000 unique visitors a day and a bazillion hits not that hits count for much anyway. Pass it on!!! http://bellybelly.com.au/birth-attendant-locator Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory
Thats absolutely true Kelly- I tell lots of women about doulas -especially re postnatal support as this is when I see most women and they are dumbfounded and excitedthat such support is an option. The more the merrier! I tell mums how I hired a doula when I was sick a few months ago- the extra 'mothering' was such a boost, even as a one off - and despite not having a baby.I think ALL mothers need mothering! Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory Yep I am aware of all of those but I think that if I can do a directory on a very busy conception to parenthood website, combined with promoting support as much as I do, there will be a great deal more awareness women in the mainstream do not know about these sites as they are not advertised anywhere even if they are mentioned in places its not in a spot where a high volume of traffic will see it, if you know what I mean? The more the merrier I reckon! Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Honey AcharyaSent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:22 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory there is also a register at www.findadoula.com - Original Message - From: pinky mckay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory Kelly - how will you be protected re doulas standards/ training? Or will you use a disclaimer? There is an Australian Doulas register at www.doulasaustralia.com Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Attendant / Doula Directory Hey everyone, On chatting to some fellow Maternity Coalition members and due to getting so many emails asking where to find doulas, I have decided to finally get up and running the Birth Attendant / Doula Directory I have been meaning to do for the last 12 months! Please feel free to check it out - have your details added or forward this onto others who might like to be added too. Hopefully well have a huge Australian resource where women can find someone to support them anywhere in Australia as well as helping those attendants / doulas out there wanting to do more births find them from the exposure on my site which is currently getting around 3,000 unique visitors a day and a bazillion hits not that hits count for much anyway. Pass it on!!! http://bellybelly.com.au/birth-attendant-locator Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] Australian Breastfeeding Membership Promotion
LOVE the flier!! Pinky - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:52 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Australian Breastfeeding Membership Promotion Hi, Did you know that if you join the Australian Breastfeeding Association or renew your subscriptionbetween March 1st and August 31st 2006 you get a copy of our book "Breastfeeding Naturally" absolutely free? When you tell the families you work with about this offer you are giving them a fabulous gift. Breastfeeding information, support, a network of mothers in their area, access to trained breastfeeding counsellors, discounted breastpump hire...the list could go on. To download a gorgeous membership flyer, go to http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/subs/2006specialoffer.pdf Warm Regards, Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 2Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
[ozmidwifery] Re:Cheryl - query
Hello Cheryl - are you around? I have a query from my proof reader re your letter for my book. I had a computer glitch and 'misplaced' some email addresses. Please contact me offline. Thanks, Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Making a Difference
You will LOVE Alison Barrett - a director of obstets at Waikato Womens - VERY natural birth/ attachment parenting - leading push to have mums and bubs together at all times/ kangaroo care / La leche league leader/ LC etc etc . I asked a midwife there 'how does she cut it with the 'boys?' ( male obs) - the answer, "she runs rings around them professionally so they dont have a leg to stand on" Shes a real normal hilarious mum of 4 kids and still BF her 4 year oldso can relate to women's experience of normal birth and mothering. Pinky - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Making a Difference Hi, Still (just) time to register for the Australian Breastfeeding Association's 1 day seminar "Breastfeeding Making a Difference" We are still getting a lot of phone enquiries. there's just time to book on the web www.lrc.asn.au before the registrations close (because the caters need to know) Great International and local speakers, including Elizabeth Pantley (no cry sleep solution) Alsion Barrett from NZ (Why Birth matters to Breastfeeding and Xtreme Breastfeeding - feeding the older child) Catherine Watson Genna (Anatomical contributions to infant sucking) Apparently an outstanding presentation. www.lrc.asn.au Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 Guan 2Counsellor, Warrnambool Vic[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ph (03) 5565 8602Director, Australian Breastfeeding AssociationMothers Directwww.mothersdirect.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies, sleeping, breastfeeding..
Hi Lousie, the Capers program looks great Pinky - Original Message - From: louise johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies, sleeping, breastfeeding.. Pinky,Helen, Megan this reminds me of Nils Bergmans session in Sydney a few years ago on Kangaroo Mother Care, am sure lots of you ahve heard him, he's absolutely fantastic and visiting OZ/NZ again soon with Capers, I'm going again. Louise __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again...
Thankyou Kelly for you positive comments about me. I am flattered but will stay out of this discussion for ethical reasons . Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... I just emailed the editor of Practical Parenting, Lynne Cossar. You can read what I had to say below, but if you could please forward this onto everyone to email in their own comments of support for Pinky and lack of support for Tizzie, that would be a great way to show them what the public really think. I hope lots of people join me on this crusade ;) I wrote to Lynne Cossar at [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lynne, I just wanted to write a letter to you personally, as the editor of a very popular, highly influential parenting magazine in regards to one of your writers. Many women on my very busy forum discuss Tizzie's advice and routines (in a very civil manner) and it's come to her attention and she's threatened to sue me because firstly I questioned her education status (I wanted her to clarify tertiary psychology studies as written on her site - is this or is this not a psychologist) and then she changed her mind and decided she'd instead try to go for a comment where a member had said she promoted 'crying it out'. I know she leaves babies to cry but doesn't come back which is called 'extinction' so I don't understand what she is on about there. I don't think you can publish what I want to say, but there are many, many online forums on the internet, particularly in Australia who have far worse things to say about Tizzie and her routines. Her conduct has been far from professional, she seems to have 'spies' or plants who sign up in these forums and defend her, but like I say, its only one person who doesn't post before or after this 'defense' post. You might like to read the discussion on my site: http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21037 And there are plenty of other sites too, which are not just alternative sites but mainstream too, but a small selection: http://forums.naturalparenting.com.au/archive/index.php/t-9370.html http://www.alternativebaby.net/modules.php?name=Forumsfile=viewtopicp=3525 3 http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:MjwkW9bX0MsJ:www.birth.com.au/forum/pri ntthread.php%3Ft%3D4945%26pp%3D40+tizzie+hall+deephl=engl=auct=clnkcd=13 http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:WbluknKgWRcJ:www.naturalparenting.com.a u/forums/printthread.php%3Ft%3D6168+tizzie+hall+sleep+experthl=engl=auct= clnkcd=15 http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:wfOU0LXzcpEJ:www.essentialbaby.com.au/c FForum/viewmessages.cfm%3Fforum%3D108%26topic%3D150862+tizzie+hall+sleep+exp erthl=engl=auct=clnkcd=26 I really think it would be in the best interest of Practical Parenting to find another 'sleep' person (I don't like using the word expert as I believe this honouring title belongs to parents), Tizzie is ridiculed and disregarded on many sites and as you can see from the links, some people want refunds from their Practical Parenting subscriptions due to Tizzie's articles. I know Tizzie is friends with some of you in Practical Parenting, but you have a huge power and even a responsibility of sorts at hand, to change the way society is supporting and dealing with mums and their babies. We need to work with the root cause, which is a stand out lack of support and extra hands for mums - then we can deal with the issues much easier. I know you publish Pinky's articles every now and again - why not give her the big spreads that Tizzie has, Pinky gives power to the mums and lets them be the mum they want to be. The confidence Pinky imparts on mothers gives them the strength to deal with the issues and it does work!!! I've been to many of her talks and heard women chat amongst themselves afterwards, saying how much better of a mum they feel now. How wonderful is that and how much better could that be! She normalizes motherhood and doesn't make us feel like if our babies aren't sleeping then something is wrong with them or we are doing something wrong. Pinky has given me the best advice since my daughter failed two weeks of sleep school - she is now four and I have a second child, yet Pinky still helps me a great deal even now I am a more experienced mum. You can never stop getting great advice from experienced mums. I see Pinky as such a nurturing, warm, loving mother figure and without her, I seriously wonder where I would be, and I know it would not be a good place. She keeps me going when I feel all is lost. Pinky an amazing, intelligent woman who is not as money hungry to charge women for advice with their babies, please give her a go and do something massively positive for women around the world. Pinky has many children, great training, education and experience and mums love her. Please do something and please do it soon! I would happily promote more
Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again...
When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1413 (20060217) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support
Barb , I am in awe that you have been able to do so much great work after this trauma and the effects that it must have had on you, Hugs Pinky - Original Message - From: B G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support There is no 'cure' for PTSD!! You just learn to manage the triggers but even then the physiological responses sometimes get away from you. Some people wonder why you are so serious- so would you if you had this constant mind battle to control triggers. Barb- chronic PTSD sufferer, 8 years after an assault and prolonged torture by an unsupervised prisoner in an Intensive Care Unit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Saturday, 4 February 2006 11:34 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support Talking therapies may be the only cure, that certainly sounds right to me. However I can't imagine having been raped, assaulted OR traumatised by my birth experience and then wanting to do that talking in the place or with the people where it happened. Perhaps in the last stages of healing, as a final letting go/closure thing, but certainly not in the very first days of the shock. I did not have a remotely traumatic birth experience but have had other traumas in my life and have had a lot of talking to do about them, I can't think of one occasion I wanted to go back to the person/place that was the source of the trauma. At 11:19 AM +1100 4/2/06, Janet Fraser wrote: I remember it but I disagree with it entirely. It struck me as no more logical and useful than the obstetric refusal to offer OFP because a study showing a crude, almost silly form of it didn't have the desired effect. (10mins a day on hands and knees rather than the lifestyle operation that is true OFP) Talking therapies are pretty much the only cure for PTSD and that's been well demonstrated over and over. The one study showing otherwise holds no weight. J - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Post cs support I believe there is some research out there that looked at de-briefing women after birth, particularly traumatic births. As I remember it, the research did not show that this debriefing had particularly helpful outcomes. Of course it is all in the Who, the When and the How. Does anyone remember it? Mary Murphy Andrea wrote: Any suggestions. Should all women have a follow up appointment with the midwife who was at her birth, is this appropriate as they may have been part of the problem, should all women have a follow up appointment but the woman be allowed to choose who she wants the appointment with, at what stage would this be appropriate, 2 weeks, 8 weeks 3 months? How does this fit with the MCH nurses who are now involved in the woman's on going care? How does her doctor, be it her own GP, obst or the one who attended (or not) her birth be involved in this? -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hyperthyroidism
Hi Michelle, I cant offer any help re risks to baby -I have Graves disease athough being an autoimmune disorder it went away during my last pregnancy ( 14 years ago). Darn thing came back almost a year ago. Hyper thyroid is hell!!! Palpitations/elevated BP/ anxiety/ exhaustion/ extreme hunger with weight loss(you might think this sounds like fun but sadly its a bitch to be up 2 hourly to feed -yourself!). I had never had anxiety/ panic before and wonder how many women who are diagnosed with pnd actually have a thyroid problem - anxiety/ palpitations go when the levels balance. Proper diagnosis and treatment is important for the mother's health -mine escalated very quickly and required a radioactive scan to diagnose properly. Obviously this cant be done on a pregnant woman so it probably depends on her TSH levels what would be the best choice re induction/ treatment. Is she seeing an endocrinologist? I have found that not all doctors really know their stuff re thyroid. Recently, despite pleading that my symptoms had returned was given everything from 24 hr heart monitoring ( yep speeding!).to being advised to take a range of meds from calcium channelblockers to anti deporessants- none of which were necessary once I finally did a blood test and altered my carbimazole (thyroid suppressant) -although this has takena couple of months of see-sawing.According to Hale thyroid meds areok during breastfeeding - just monitor baby's levels. However, rest is vital/ hot weather plays havoc and so does stress/ overdoing things. Thyroid Australia have a website with links to other thyroid info. They seem to need membership to access complete articles but I do know that Raelene, director at Knox Private recently attended a conf run by thyroid Austraia redisorders during pregnancy sothey should have some info or a name to refer to. Thyroid Australia HomeProvides personal support, counselling, information and training. Aims to raiseawareness and interest in thyroid conditions.www.thyroid.org.au/ I am interested what alternative treatment she is taking. Pinky - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hyperthyroidism Hi, Just wondering if anyone can help. I have a friend with hyperthyroidism (diagnosed during the pregnancy). She is using alternative treatments as well as taking some medication, but her levels are still elevated. The problem is that the doctors now want to induce her (she is 39+ weeks now). She is keen to avoid induction. Does anyone know what the risks are to the baby (as in percentages)? The stuff I've read just says there is an increase of still birth but is not specific. Thanks in advance. Michelle Do you Yahoo!?Messenger 7.0: Free worldwide PC to PC calls
Re: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo
Pauline, Bollocks to your ex MIL - pity "ex" doesnt mean "Exit"! Recently, as I searched for some long term evidence of the benefits of parent-infant co-sleeping, I came across a study of college age subjects which found that males who had co-slept with their parents between birth and five years not only had significantly higher self esteem, they experienced less guilt and anxiety and reported greater frequency of sex. Not sure how to interpret this in light of my own kids experience now they are college age and beyond - that would be too much information! But it seems that they are most likely sleeping with somebody other than me! Enjoy the little warm body and don't bother sharing unnecessary info with your exmil. Pinky - Original Message - From: Pauline To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo This is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study thatsays boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help! Pauline
Re: [ozmidwifery] weight gain in pregnancy- another enlightened moment
Title: Message certainly cleared that up! Woohoo! Pinky - Original Message - From: B G To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] weight gain in pregnancy- another enlightened moment Found on a newsgroup a bit of lightening the load. Barb Q: I've heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true?A: Your heart is only good for so many beats, and that's it...don't waste them on exercise. Everything wears out eventually. Speeding up your heart will not make you live longer; that's like saying you can extend the life ofyour car by driving it faster. Want to live longer? Take a nap.Q: Should I cut down on meat and eat more fruits and vegetables?A: You must grasp logistical efficiencies. What does a cow eat? Hay and corn. And what are these? Vegetables. So a steak is nothing more than an efficient mechanism of delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain? Eat chicken. Beef is also a good source of field grass (green leafy vegetable).And a pork chop can give you 100% of your recommended daily allowance of vegetable products.Q: Should I reduce my alcohol intake?A: No, not at all. Wine is made from fruit. Brandy is distilled wine, that means they take the water out of the fruity bit so you get even more of the goodness Beer is also made out of grain. Bottoms up!Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio?A: Well, if you have a body and you have body fat, your ratio is one to one. If you have two bodies, your ratio is two to one, etc.Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program?A: Can't think of a single one, sorry. My philosophy is: No Pain...GoodQ: Aren't fried foods bad for you?A: YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!!!. Foods are fried these days in vegetable oil. they're permeated in it. How could getting more vegetables be bad for you?Q: Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle?A: Definitely not! When you exercise a muscle, it gets bigger. You should only be doing sit-ups if you want a bigger stomach.Q: Is chocolate bad for me?A: Are you crazy? HELLO . Cocoa beans .. another vegetable!!! It's the best feel-good food around!Q: Is swimming good for your figure?A: If swimming is good for your figure, explain whales to me ...Q: Is getting in-shape important for my lifestyle?A: Hey! 'Round' is a shape!Well, I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets and remember: Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways Chardonnay in one hand - strawberries(and/or chocolate!) in the other with a body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a ride!"Aussie Lurker
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Waterbirths at Monash BC -for Pinky
kelly, I just wanted to know if, seeing there is only one birthing pool at Monash ( I havent been for a visit with my daughter so havent had an opportunity to ask questions - she has asked me to be there for the birth), how assertive does she have to be / what are her chances of actually getting the bath? Or is it a 'luck of the draw' situation? Is it better to hire a pool to ensure she has access? She is due late April. All hints/ info welcome. She lives near Monash so altho I live nearer the angliss this is her choice - she likes the midwives she has met and feels comfortable. She was with me when I had my youngest baby (she was 10) so has no fears re birth but I doubt she realises she may have to say/ ask for what is really important to her - before she is labouring. Pinky - Original Message - From: Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:12 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Waterbirths at Monash BC -for Pinky I believe they are doing water births at the angliss, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 5:03 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Waterbirths at Monash BC -for Pinky Pinky, I supported a woman having her waterbirth at Monash about 6 months ago - it was a great experience for all, midwife was lovely and I know she is still there - I saw her during an ante-natal visit with another woman. Email me off list if you want specifics - I didn't get the initial email so I don't know what has been asked! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cate Tischler Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:14 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: pinky mckay Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Waterbirths at Monash BC -for Pinky Hi Pinky, I birthed at the Monash BC in May 04. I chose to birth there as I wanted a waterbirth (and didn't know what I do now about homebirth!). When it came the time i was in labour there weren't many bc midwives (7 out of 12 had quit due to the move, can't blame them) and i could only have a waterbirth with a bc midwife in attendance between the hours of 9am and 3pm. Of course i laboured at night and no longer had the option of waterbirth. I thought this may have been due to initial teething problems and lack of bc staff, but i spoke to a woman just the other day who experienced the same thing just 3 months ago. She couldn't birth in water because she had a labour ward midwife looking after her. Your daughter might want to find out when the bc midwives are actually available. It can be rather distressing if you're going through the bc only to find out that there's no staff available to attend you under that model of care! kind regards, Cate -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] waterbirth at birth centre
Speaking of birth centres, my daughter is booked to have her baby at monashBirth centre, Melboune, late April (first grandchild!! Shes asked me to be there -Im excited!) - she would love awaterbirth but there is only one pool - any suggestions? How busy is the centre? Is it worth hirng a pool? will midwives give preference if she makes it clear she really wants to labour in water/ waterbirth? ie in comparison to somebody else who may not mind/ isnt assertive? Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms
Paivi, here are two beauiful birth centres I visited while in New Zealand last year. Any woman is funded to go there with her own midwife. River-ridge is a beautiful building desgned by a "steiner/ anthroposophical' architect - lovely scultures in small private gardens that can be entered from the rooms and Waterford is more 'corporate'. Both are freestanding/ not attached to hospitals. http://www.riverridgeeastbc.co.nz/ http://www.waterfordbc.co.nz/waterford/index.php?ctnt=about.php Best wishes with your project, Pinky - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Wow, It would be more than terrific to get their story in a local magazine. Is there any way you could hook me up with them? Päivi - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Paivi (sorry, I can't do the accents!) I am some friends (sisters) from Finland living in Australia that birthed at home - in Australia though. Isn't that strange?! Cheers, Jayne - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Absolutely! I plan to show hospital rooms, birthing centre rooms and home. Unfortunately the Birthing Centre consept is not even known about in Finland and we only have some 20 homebirths a year but I am trying to awaken some interest by showing pictures of something we don't really associate with birth over here... Päivi - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Can I suggest some pictures of the most mother/baby friendly? That would have to be ~home~ :) Cheers Jayne - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms Hi everyone, I am putting together a photo gallery to display some of the most beautiful birthing rooms in contrast of the most uncomfortable hospital delivery rooms, with some description of where they are from.The photo gallery will be presented in Tampere Finland later this spring. If you work in an environment, where the birthing rooms are really mother friendly and comfortable, or if you know some places where I could contact to get pictures, please contact me.Unfortunately I will not be able to go and take photoes, since I am back here in Finland. It would be great to get some pictures from many different countries. Paivi Laukkanen Childbirth Educator Finland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Exciting
courage, Lieve - you will do well for women. Is it live TV? Or pre-recorded?(Taped in advance) I always find live TV easiest to do because they can't edit your words - your passion, sincerity and experience will work for you. Remember to 'breathe - just imagine you are talking to a friend or a prospective birthing woman - if you feel at all intimidated by your 'opposition' -imagine him in his underpants!(The ugliest pair you can imagine) I hope all your colleagues and birthing women will support you by contacting the TV station and giving feedback - thanking them for the debate. Best of luck, Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: 'Andrea Robertson' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Exciting Dear friends, It is a while since I really posted on the list. Meanwhile life is going fast. Our homebirth practice is growing and since september I am the president of the flemish independent midwives. I am trying to work with the group, to get connection, friendship and exchange of knowledge and wisdom. I picked up a lot of ideas from the oz mid list, thank you all for that. Next week I will be on the television with a debate about the irresponsibility of homebirth :-) A hospital moved to another place and the burgomaster of the first place found it a pity that no babys would be born anymore in his town. So he took the idea to give out a bonus for parents who want a homebirth. Ww, that had an explosive effect: the politic and the medical world jumped on him and homebirth was said to be dangerous and irresponsable You know we live only 10 km from the border of the Netherlands where homebirth is the normal thing to do :-) So now I am contacted to come in a tv show 'right to answer' on a flemish tv station. It is high popular, but they also try to get sparkling debates. I will be opposant to a gyn (from a university hospital)who is strong against homebirth. It is very exciting. One part of me sees it as a great opportunity, another part is anxious to be trapped in my own temperament. I want to defend the choice of women to choose their place of giving birth. A lot of people are suporting me and they have confidence in me, but the president of the midwifes organisation (VLOV, I am only president of the part of indpendent midwives, maybe you met her in Brisbane at ICM, she lived with Joanne Fisher) trembles by the thought of me there out in public defending the rights of mothers and midwives. Sometimes I get over enthousiastic :-) There are a lot of things moving in Belgium about birth and breastfeeding. Suddenly it is possible to use water in labour in hospitals (but giving birth in bath is in most places considered as to dangerous, especially for a first child). Gyns are speaking against induction and promoting what they consider natural birth. The gouvernement pointed out 5 hospitals to get the 'Baby Friendly Certificate' and more hospitals are working on it. Since two years we have two lactation consultant courses. You see, many things are moving, even now we can speak about homebirth on television. I am very curieus how it will go. Please , take me in your thoughts on monday evening and send me the right energy and wisdom. Warm greetings to you all Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 www.geboorte-infocentrum.be -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Sarah Buckley's book: Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering now!
yes JO - its fabulous!!pinky - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Cc: 'sarahjbuckley' Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sarah Buckley's book: Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering now! Hi all, I received a copy of Sarahs book 2 weeks ago in the post to review for Birthings magazine and although I have not yet read it from cover to cover I have referred to it at least 5 times in the last 2 weeks both for my work as a CBE and as a doula, as well as a mother of 4 children. Sarah writes so beautifully in very easy to understand laywomans terms and everything that we innately know about birth and mothering she has backed up with scientific evidence. Id highly recommend a copy for any midwives, doulas, CBEs, OBs and mothers book shelf its a gem! Cheers Jo From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Joanne Steve FisherSent: Sunday, 4 December 2005 10:08 AMTo: OzmidwiferySubject: [ozmidwifery] Sarah Buckley's book: Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering now! Subject: Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering now!Dear friendsI am excited to tell you that my book, Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering: The wisdom and science of gentle choices in pregnancy, birth, and parenting is now in my webshop and available for purchase at http://www.sarahjbuckley.com/shop/I am thrilled with the production of Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering. The lush cover (artwork by Durga Bernhard) reflects the beauty and gentleness of birth and mothering, and the cover colours are vibrant with vegetable-based inks. Inside, the layout and design are pleasing, and the 100% recycled paper gives the book a lovely feelI am also getting wonderful feedback about the content, and it is so good to have all my best articles in one place. All of those mothers, grandmothers, professional, parents who have emailed me with questions about Lotus birth, homebirth, cord clamping after cesarean, cord blood banking, ecstatic birth, co-sleeping, breastfeeding (and much more) can now find the answers! There are also articles about the safety of ultrasound and epidurals (a longer version of the article in the current Mothering), breech birth, caesareans, prenatal testing for Down syndrome, yoga and motherhood, raising babies without nappies/diapers and lots of my own stories.You can read Ina May Gaskins words of wisdom in the foreword I was privileged to chair a panel at the recent APPPAH conference in San Diego on care during labour, which included Ina May (upcoming blog!). Inas foreword is a great rave about the spread of birth fright vs the birth-giving capacities of our bodies.You can also read what my reviewers have to say about Gentle Birth, Gentle Mothering as you scroll down athttp://www.sarahjbuckley.com/html/gentle-birth-gentle-mothering.htm My latest reviewer is Deepak Chopra, who says:Sarah Buckley creatively integrates mind/body wisdom with the latest scientific research to provide women with the essential tools they need to make conscious choices throughout their pregnancy and birth.To celebrate my opening and thanks to the generosity of the lovely Carla Hartley of Ancient Art Midwifery I have some small gifts for my first 50 buyers among you. While over in the US last month, Carla gave me some samples of the badges, wristbands, transfers and magnets that she produces to make birth a talking point in public, as part of her Trust Birth campaign (www.trustbirth.com). Some of the slogans are listed at the bottom and there are also groovy purple Trust Birth wrist bands.You will need to mention this offer under special instructions at the checkout, and you can also give your preferences.Please take a wander around at my shop. You can pay by credit card via paypal or by fax or mail order. I also have copies of the book Lotus birth and a favourite New Zealand book, the Paper Midwife.Dont forget to mention the Trust Birth bonuses when you check out.Please support my work by passing this email on to interested friends and contacts, thanks so much! (Can someone let the ozmidwifery elist know also?)Blessings to you allSarah Trust Birth- slogans on badges and magnets, about 1 inch diameterMore babies prefer homebirthWomen do not need to be rescued from birthBirth truth=birth trustTrust birth - your baby doesBirth belongs to womenBabies ? midwivesOwn your birthStop the madness - say no to surgical birthStop the spread of birthfrightBirth is safe, interference is riskyMore babies prefer homebirthAsk me about homebirthBirth questions answered herePlusTrust Birth (purple wristband)More babies prefer homebirth
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Parents use of baby monitors
Hi Barbara, Like you, I am a bit shocked at the out of sight , out of mind - baby in nursery down the hall practice - it seems very tiny bubs are sleeping alone - a monitor doesnt provide sensory input to a baby - and this is what bubs would biologically expect according to James McKenna. I mention theUK Sids foundation who did a big promotion in Feb this year in conjunction with Babies R Us - about sleep safe , share a room with me. http://www.sids.org.uk/fsid/roomshare.htm Several studies show significantly reduced risk ( around 53% in a study reported in Lancet) when babies share a room with a responsile adult - this is listened to by parenst even if the emotional needs stuff isnt. Pinky - Original Message - From: Safetsleep To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Parents use of baby monitors I hope this doesn't sound like a big sales pitch - but have you read these testimonials from parents and medical professionals about our Safe T Sleep Sleepwraps. It talks about the testing and trialing of the products in hospitals on children, the safety and benefits all have found. Have a look if you like www.safetsleep.com/scanned/safety/scan001.pdf Cheers, Bev - Original Message - From: Barbara Stokes To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Parents use of baby monitors Dear Midwives and friends, We are being made aware of safe sleeping / co-bedding with babies. Is there any data or information about the safety of baby in another room with baby monitor? Am I just getting past it? I feel very sad that babies sleep down the hall and parents think all is wonderful because the monitor is on, especially as the monitors are only one way! Barbara, Parkes
Re: [ozmidwifery] baby bowel troubles
As long as no medical reasons how about tummy massage? - alternate massage with knee bends- one hand following the other clockwise direction (following colon -like a sun across the sky followed by moon) - then bend knees up - often works really well esp for BF babies when they poo every few days but are a bit 'antsy' on that last day. Pinky - Original Message - From: Lindsay Kennedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] baby bowel troubles Hi I was just speaking to a woman whose birth I attended 9 weeks ago. She tells me that one of her twins is having bowel problems. This baby does not poo without assistance. At two weeks of age she had an xray which showed lots of gas in her bowel. After a PR she had a bowel motion. This mum says she has been taking her to the hospital every two weeks for suppositories. She is fully breast fed and her twin has no problems. Baby has had dye studies which show no obstruction. This baby is gaining weight but not as well as her sibling. However she is obviously uncomfortable and screams. Any ideas? Lindsay No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 3/11/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep
Kate - your poor thing -it really gets so stressful when the guys sleep through - mine did too. And it is a pretty typical response for them to need the child to be 'fixed I also find this adds to the mothers stress with the fear of brutal sleep gurus hanging over like a cloud. You are right- often the 'treatment' for older wakers is to lock the door -I have even heard/ read of removing the lightbulb as well which I find horrifying. My kids were more like JOys ( the ones who woke lots - wish I knew why some slept better than others). What about your little ones day? busy? (I'll bet!), One thing I found really helpful with my youngest (bonus bub)who was very stimulated day and night having teenagers in the house were childrens meditation books by Maureen Garth ( moonbeams. starlight etc -there are about 4titles Harper Collins)- I do hope they are still available other wise I am happy to talk to you on the phone. They seemed to help him get into a very calm space and his sleep quality was better - it is difficult to explain but it also got my head into alovely space as he drifted off ( so that tension was removed) and he loved going to bed with a meditation. If he did wake at night I would do one again ( after he had weaned) and it only took a few minutes for him to be really relaxed -so not being wide awake for very long at all during the night. Part of the meditation was to pin worries on a worry tree and I felt that helped him 'process' his day BEFORE he went to bed so led him into lovely dream ( as induced/ encouraged by the meditation) Massage also worked wonders and the studies show that 15 mins massage does help relieve stress and improve sleep withi one month (I know that sounds like ages! Sorry!). I worked a lot on the bedtime calm down with this child -it seemed much more important for this little person than any of my other kids - he did sleep with us to a ripe old age/ breastfed so that was easy to settle him, then he had his little bed at the end of our room for a while mostly because an older kid came home to live so space was an issue but it helped. Trust yourself that there must be something other than needing to be close. Does she snore? ?? anything 'medical' waking her - eg tonsils etc. See Sue Dengate's website too -I have seen great stuff happening with diet changes - she has books Fed UP and Fed Up with ADHD - re food additives - and some remarkable case studies (these can be in otherwise healthy foods too, not just 'junk' food. Although I havent read nocry sleep solution for Toddlers I have seen an extract and it looks sensible and kind. best wishes with it all Pinky - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep Dear Kate, My heart goes out to you, but I don't have any real answers I'm afraid. I would certainly back up contacting Pinky, also William Sears (in USA) has just written a new book on sleep and James McKenna has done a lot of work on sleep. A search for either of these names might bring something up for you. My own 3 (now grown up but less than 3 yrs between the 3) didn't sleep through the night till they were 4, but when they woke only needed a breastfeed or cuddle - I just spent the night bed-hopping or they came in with us (in a regular sized double bed in those days). I was at least able to get back to sleep between wakings. It was normal to be up to them around 6 times a night in total, but nothing like you're experiencing. I do feel for you and am amazed that you're still sane. Take care, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kate /or Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep Can anyone point me in a direction for 3yo sleep issues? Mine has always been a bad sleeper but she has got worse in the last year (with the transition from a cot?). Between the 2 of them (6yo, but 90% Miss 3), I would consider it a good night if I am up 4 times for 20 mins each time. Bad nights are at least every hour. I'm starting to find that by 6pm I am exhausted and far too crabby - and so are they. Going to bed isn't a problem. Sometimes I go to the crying (last night was 7 times in one hour, plus four other blocks) but mostly it seems to have no effect. At times I don't think she even realises I'm there and I can't get through to her. Others she'll settle, but within 3 minutes, she starts again. Others she'll insist on coming to my room. Sometimes I don't go in, and she will eventually come to me. We have a mattress on the floor right next to me, which is used every night. It usually doesn't alter the wakenings (but it makes my life a bit easier). I have slept in her room, with no effect.While my eldest was away
Re: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep
I also took my child to a fabulous paediatric chiro- he still goes monthly- not to do with sleep but he was later diagnosed with ADHD by a paed -I have never applied labels to him ( so he wouldnt know/ consider it) -but he knows when he needs to see Braden ( as he says ) These days he is a really calm kid and even focussed at school. I used to notice a complete change in his ability to be calm as soon as we walked out of the chiro -it was pretty amazing and talking to other parenst in the waiting room has convinced me its worth a try with most 'hiccups' developmentally. Pinky - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Older Children's Sleep You know our first slept thru the night at 9weeks old and while always being extremely difficult to get to sleep once asleep slept a minimum of 12 hours. We thought we were great parents (even though we had not done anything to get her to sleep that long)! Then we had number two... My partner says this child did not sleep for a full night before he was 7 years old. He is 13 now and at any time through the night you can whisper to him and he will answer you, he is such a light sleeper, afraid of the dark etc. The first 11 months he had reflux and was difficult to breastfeed (my initial let down was very fast). He cried all the time but it wasnt until his second year that sleep deprivation became a big issue. Maybe the first year caught up with us...I think the first year it was clear that he cried for a reason and i was always trying to comfort him, luckily I never felt angry towards him. My partner and i fought furiously over the next few years on who to deal with his sleep...we did a study where his oxygen levels were monitored all night and we had to watch him and write down when he moved was restless etc. My partner did this and he said he never got a chance to be bored because our son never stopped moving. His o2 levels never signficantly dropped. He was constantly trying to get into bed with us and my partner was in a mode of putting him back in his bed. This was exhausting and could be every hour or two with him then upset and having to calm him etc etc. When I fell pregnant with our third child I stood my ground and insisted our second stay in bed with us. After a few months i worked at making him welcome and set up a bed on the floor next to us, we got some sleep and life got better. i started to make him less comfy in bed, squashing him to the edge a bit so he was still welcome and had a cuddle but the bed on the floor became more comfy! Life definitely got better and my partner realised I was right (as usual!!). He is better if he is in with a sibling, have you tried putting them both in the same bed? My sister took her son when he was a small baby to a chiropractor, he was showing similar behaviour to my son, whatever the chiro did made a big difference so I would recommend a chiro or even better an osteopath just to assess your daughter (if you can afford it). I know everyone says it will get better you will end up getting sleep but at the time it doesnt feel that way. It is true though, one day you will be giving support advice to a mother remebring it rather than living it. Good luck, the main thing I regret looking back is not taking him to a chiro or osteopath and that I spent wasted years and using up my limited energy level trying to 'make' him sleep in his own bed. I really like Pinkys meditation for kids ideas also cd player and music is worth a try Belinda Kate /or Nick wrote: Can anyone point me in a direction for 3yo sleep issues? Mine has always been a bad sleeper but she has got worse in the last year (with the transition from a cot?). Between the 2 of them (6yo, but 90% Miss 3), I would consider it a good night if I am up 4 times for 20 mins each time. Bad nights are at least every hour. I'm starting to find that by 6pm I am exhausted and far too crabby - and so are they. Going to bed isn't a problem. Sometimes I go to the crying (last night was 7 times in one hour, plus four other blocks) but mostly it seems to have no effect. At times I don't think she even realises I'm there and I can't get through to her. Others she'll settle, but within 3 minutes, she starts again. Others she'll insist on coming to my room. Sometimes I don't go in, and she will eventually come to me. We have a mattress on the floor right next to me, which is used every night. It usually doesn't alter the wakenings (but it makes my life a bit easier). I have slept in her room, with no effect.While my eldest was away in the school holidays (6 nights), I slept in her room, right next door to Miss 3. The last couple of nights I was only woken briefly 2-3 times a night, but that has happened in the past and wasn't enough for me to think it was anything more than a temporary
Re: [ozmidwifery] Jeanine Parvati
An email just in from Sarah Buckley The prayer for JPB is 4am tomorrow morning Australia time, Also, her address, if people want to send their thoughts and thanks, is 40 N State St Joseph Utah 84739 USA - Original Message - From: Gloria Lemay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Jeanine Parvati Thanks for posting this Sally. Our hearts are so heavy with the impending loss of this Goddess of birth. I know she loved her speaking trip to Australia and has very fond memories of being there. Gloria Lemay, Canada - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Jeanine Parvati Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife "Learn from mothers and babies; every one of them has a unique story to tell. Look for wisdom in the humblest places - that's usually where you'll find it." Lois Wilson From Jeanine Parvati's latest newsletter on her birthkeeper's website.Our dear crone-sister is ailing. She is unable to receive a liver transplantand is now in a hospice preparing to pass.She is asking for her friends/sisters/kindred spirits to tune in together atnoon on the 23rd of October for 13 minutes and to send her your prayertincture, she refers to this as settling her spiritual affairs and suggeststhat it is time to say what has been left unsaid.Her website is www.birthkeepers.com click on fall 2005 newsletter.If her name sounds familiar you may have read one of her booksJeanine'sbooks include Conscious Conception ,Prenatal Yoga (the first book on thissubject 1970's) and Hygeia , a woman's herbal. She is a woman who has made ahuge contribution to birth in this time and place, in a very unique andvisionary way.PAuline YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "NZhomebirth" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Study: Pacifiers Reduce SIDS
thanks for the grin - I have been bellowig all weektoo! As I have one week to deadline on a book that is pro-cosleeping and sucking (the real things!) Im wondering whether the editors and publishers will be fussed about me challenging authority? Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Study: Pacifiers Reduce SIDS Read what Hathor the Cowgoddess has to say about it: http://www.thecowgoddess.com/archshow.asp?var=181 and http://www.thecowgoddess.com/archshow.asp?var=180 Vedrana (still laughing) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 2:36 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Study: Pacifiers Reduce SIDS Eeek!! Another article we wish hadnt been published, it also condemns co-sleeping published on the ninemsn news site Pacifiers reduce SIDS: study Thursday Oct 13 09:06 AEST Infants should be put to sleep on their backs only, not their sides, and pacifiers can be used to help prevent sudden infant death syndrome, US pediatricians said. Revised guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics issued on Monday also discourage parents from sleeping with their infants at all, saying babies are safer in their own cribs. SIDS, the sudden, unexplained death of an infant in the first year of life, is the third leading cause of infant mortality in the United States, causing the deaths of 2,500 infants each year. Campaigns to encourage parents and other caregivers to put babies to sleep on their backs instead of their tummies slashed the death rates from SIDS, also known as crib death or cot death, in countries such as Britain and the United States in the 1980s and 1990s. "Studies have found that the side sleep position is unstable and increases the chances of the infant rolling onto his or her stomach. Every caregiver should use the back sleep position during every sleep period," the academy said in a statement. "Infants may be brought into bed for nursing or comforting, but should be returned to their own crib or bassinet when the parent is ready to return to sleep. However, there is growing evidence that room sharing (infant sleeping in a crib in parent's bedroom) is associated with a reduced risk of SIDS." About the often controversial use of pacifiers, also known as dummies, the pediatricians' group said: "Research now indicates an association between pacifier use and a reduced risk of SIDS, which is why the revised statement recommends the use of pacifiers at nap time and bedtime throughout the first year of life," the statement said. No one is entirely sure what causes SIDS. But lying prone, or face-down, sleeping on a soft surface, smoking during pregnancy, overheating, late or no prenatal care, having a young mother, being born pre-term or at a low weight all greatly raise a baby's risk. So the Academy recommends that babies be laid to sleep on their backs, without a pillow, quilt, stuffed toys or other items that could interfere with breathing. Mothers should not smoke while pregnant or afterward, rooms should not be too hot or stuffy and if a baby likes a pacifier, let him or her have it. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyDirector, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.auGentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth BabyAustralian Little Tikes Specialists
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Hi All... Just wondering if any of you have any thoughts on this Q/A: http://www.awareparenting.com/answer13.htm The question seems to relate strongly to our situation at the moment. Will is waking VERY often over night. He only seems to need feeding twice, as the other times he just semi-wakes and cries, and needs rewrapping, and dummy back in. I counted 18 awakenings the other night, and I think the number came close last night. This happens whether co-sleeping or puting him in his cot in our room. He seems to go to sleep quite easily, but doesn't stay asleep. The answer suggests not giving the dummy for sleep, but letting baby cry-it-out, only in your arms. It says that babies need this crying time to release stress of the day and once it's gone, they will sleep well (until they're hungry, of course). If they don't get this crying time, because the parents use rocking, dummy, wrapping, whatever to calm them, then they need to wake often to cry, and try to release the stress. It's all so confusing! I hate the idea of letting him cry, whether I'm holding him or not, especially when it's so easily fixed! Thanks for listening! Jo (Mum to Will, 4.5 months old) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
clever bub refusing to drink the chamolmile - its related to severe allergic reactions in some bubs. Jo another thought - have you seen Sue Dengates work? She is an absolute wealth of knowledge on food additives -and not just artificial stuff, although I heard her speak a couple of weeks ago and she mentioned a baby who cried 18 hrs a day -mum and bub both admitted to hospital (any wonder?) - turned out to be areaction to preservatives in bread. There can be naturally occuring chemicals in otherwise healthy foods too. Check out Sues website http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info Pinky - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep my girlfriend used peppermint tea for her very unsettled/colicky baby and found the days she didnt drink much he was much worse BelindaX Tania Smallwood wrote: Funny you should mention that Belinda, I was just writing a reply along those lines... I drank heaps of chamomile tea when we went on a long haul overseas trip with our oldest son - he was 20 months old, and still a vigorous breast feeder. We also tried to get him to drink a bit, but no luck there. I think it helped, or maybe I was just so relaxed by it all that nothing bothered me too much... Tania x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2005 10:42 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep I wonder if you drink lots of camomile or peppermint tea throughout the evening? Pinky McKay wrote: Hi Jo, I have read Aletha Solters book re stress release crying - I also believe there is a big difference between leaving a baby to cry and allowing a baby to cry to release stress BUT have a few buts! I know mothers who have tried to let their babies release through crying -for a couple it seems right and for others not. Last week I had this discussion with a mum who expressed my own concerns - is this just a form of sleep training but 'in arms'? I guess it depends on the particular baby. As Vedrana says - listen hard to what YOU feel is right - you know YOUR baby best! Pinky - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep My advice - think hard about what is happening in his life, listen hard to what YOU feel is right and remember that things change with time. This will pass. Waking up often won't hurt him. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:24 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Jo, I hear you!!! My first born was a very wakeful sleeper and my second has been waking often from four months - every time he is teething (i.e. now!) he gets worse. I know lots of mums that have wakeful babies at four months of age - so please don't feel alone! You've really got to follow what works for you and ignore all the conflicting advice - adopt only the bits which work for you, because as you will know, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other. A friend of mine desperately wanted to co-sleep with her baby but to this day at nearly four years of age, she still wants to sleep on her own, in her bedroom, with the light off and door shut! Much to mums dismay! Pinky will no doubt have some great advice for you but I can recommend her book, 100 Ways to Calm the Crying and also a fantastic book recommended to me by my birth teacher, Rhea Dempsey, The Wonder Weeks by Frans X. Plooij Hetty Vanderijt - two paeds. Here is the book blurb: In The Wonder Weeks, you'll discover the specific dates during their first 14 months when all babies take eight major developmental leaps. And you'll learn how to help your baby through the eight great fussy phases that mark these leaps within a week or two. Wonder week by wonder week, you'll see how your baby's mind is developing. Now you will know which games and toys are best for your baby during each key week and how to encourage each leap forward. Calendars, charts, and checklists help you track your baby's progress - and finally make sense of his fussy behavior. This is a baby book like no other. It will be your indispensable guide to the crucial wonder weeks of your baby's first year. Remember... this too will pass... :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 1:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery
Re: [ozmidwifery] Crownprincess Mary of Denmark gave birth naturally
A journalist asked him, where the baby will sleep. So Pinky, here's one for you: "within an armslength of eather one of us" !!! Yeah!!! -lucky baby, Thanks for your report Kirsten -its lovely to hear how excited everyone is. Pinky - Original Message - From: Kirsten Lerstrøm To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Crownprincess Mary of Denmark gave birth naturally Hi Yes, your Australian crownprincess Mary gave birth at 01.57 Saturday morning. The whole country was esctatic - flags and celebrations all over. A really nice thing was a series of bonfires throughout the country. The first started at 18.30 in Copenhagen, then the next was lit up further away until the last bonfire was lit a few hours later at the very northen tip of Jutland. Sending important messages (used to be about warnings of enemies entering the country) by bonfires "baunebaal" is an ancient tradition. They also fired canons (real ones!) from the castle in Copenhagen and from Kronborg in Helsingor (Hamlet's castle). The crownprince met the press 7½ hours afterwards - still high on the birth and very, very happy. He made a point about not knowing the sex beforehand, so it was a surprise to see the firstborn a boy. "Everybody should try doing that", he said. (could be a hint to our presetn practice where all pregnant are scanned). He wouldn't say much about the birth itself except that it's an awestriking experience, that leaves you humble by natures forces. Mother and child was doing well - the little one now sound asleep and not aware of what's coming to him. (one of his smirks followed that one). A journalist asked him, where the baby will sleep. So Pinky, here's one for you: "within an armslength of eather one of us" !!! Questions about the birth were left for the chief of staff, chef obs and one of the managing midwives to answer, but only the obs spoke - didn't leave the other two a chance. That really bothered me, as I got the notion, that they (midwife and obs) didn't quite agree on his answers. When asked by the journalists whether "Mary got her Epidural" - he said "off course", but the midwife turned her head quickly towards him - her whole face a big question mark. I'll see what the grapewine will tell during the days to come. For the rest of the day, I heard only a few midwives talking about birth and birth naturally. They had a lot of explaining to do. The epidural-thing came up when the other princess (sister-in-law to Mary) had her babies five and three years ago (actully for the first one, she arrived at the hospital only shortly before giving birth, but the doctors gave her an epidural anyway!). Until then epidurals were something administered carefully, but again somewhat laxly. But the doctors sold the idea in the press and then everybody demanded one during birth and it became the only issue in the birth-debate for a long time. As midwives didn't fall for that and tried talking people out of having one unnessary, midwives were the bitchy witches doing births the old fashioned way, and only interested in enhancing their own cause.I hate that. We haven't seen the prince yet, but I guess, as the crownprince said "he looks like a newborn". Warm regards, Kirsten in Denmark -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Susan CudlippSent: 17. oktober 2005 07:07To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 4ft 9 and birthing Actually it was me who mailed that - Rachel responded. I agree that height is not the only indicator, in this woman's case there were others, and I did not necessarily agree that she should not have been encouraged to try for a normal birth, just making the point that the advice was basically "better a 'good' caesar than a 'bad' vaginal birth" (his words, not mine) It is sad and I do hear what you are saying - glad that you at least were able to rise above the negativity, as was I when advised to have elective C/S for my 3rd, but most often "doctor knows best" still rules! On the positive side - Sounds very much like "our Mary" (crown princess of Denmark) had a normal birth. I have not heard officially but the news said born at 01.30 after a 10 hour labour, so sounds like she gave birth normally. About time some high profile women did!! Regards, Sue "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Robyn Dempsey To: ozmidwifery@ace
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 % of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff between food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Pinky McKay wrote: clever bub refusing to drink the chamolmile - its related to severe allergic reactions in some bubs. Jo another thought - have you seen Sue Dengates work? She is an absolute wealth of knowledge on food additives -and not just artificial stuff, although I heard her speak a couple of weeks ago and she mentioned a baby who cried 18 hrs a day -mum and bub both admitted to hospital (any wonder?) - turned out to be areaction to preservatives in bread. There can be naturally occuring chemicals in otherwise healthy foods too. Check out Sues website http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info Pinky Ooh, thanks, Pinky. I'll check it out. The allergy thing has crossed my mind, as Will has the beginnings of eczema all over. If he was crying a lot, I'd be more worried about it, but he's fairly easily settled. I had thought of cutting out dairy for a while, but his digestive system doesn't seem to be causing him any problems ... so didn't think it was worth it. I'll definitely look at Sue's site though, Thanks! Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
??porridge/ buckwheat pancakes without eggs? wholemeal toast and jam/ honey/ avocado/ banana? It really is a change of mindset isnt it? - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Pinky McKay wrote: Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 % of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff between food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky Oh wow, I didn't realise it could show up in non-gut ways. Ok, this could be tough, but hell, it's worth it. Eggs on toast for breakfast for me! (no butter). Could he be sensitive to eggs, too? Damn, fruit for breakfast... ;) Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep
Title: Infant Sleep what wise advice Helen - I think we have become 'cultured' so far away from what is biologically normal into a quick fix mentality that we do hang on every 'solution' and live on 'hope' that the next thing we try or the nextmilestone will be the end of sleepless nights and so often as you and Megan say, this does leadto disappointment and selfdoubt or we beat up on ourselves for creating problems - how many times have you heard the term "accidental parenting" ? It really is no "accident" that babies know how to elicit exactly the care they need for whatever reasons - day and night. Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Joe I only have the one child who was fully breastfed for ..years. I couldn't see anything particularly different in your story to what my son was doing at that age either. That is meant to be reassuring that you know he is OK. The worst thing for me was people telling me that It will only be for the first 6 weeks It will only be for the first 3 months It will only be while he is cutting his first teeth He is hungry now and the bm isn't enough (at six months) The first year is the worst Once all of his teeth are in he will sleep better and so on I kept passing these so called milestones with 2 step forwards and 1-2 steps back feeling like a failure each time we didn't have an improvementin his sleep. I think it is like Megan says - if we don't expect too much we won't be disappointed. I do, however, remember the sleep deprivation which went on for years but slowly gets better. We co-slept and didn't actually use a dummy.We did try different sleeping arrangements and sometimes he would go to sleep in his room but after the first or second wake in the night he went back in with us as I seemed to go back to sleep more quickly that way. I know I haven't contributed to any "solutions" for you Joe but I just wanted you to know it sounds normal to me from my experience. It is hard to enjoy this special time when you are sleep deprived and you are getting lots of different advice on the way things should be. Also as Megan says, surround yourself with people with similar philosophies/experiences to youfor support. Good luck Helen - Original Message - From: Megan Larry To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep We started co-sleeping with our third child, he was demand fed and boy , that was exactly what we did, 24/7. He slept for 45 mins a few times a day, and about 9hrs a night waking every 1-2 hours and needing rocking or patting often through the night. With a 3yr and 1 1/2 yr old to look after as well, not much room for a day sleep. No wonder I was sooo TIRED. He didn't sleep through a whole night until he was over 2, by which I was pregnant again and going to do it all again. He still needs much less sleep than an average child. Not complaining or bragging, just sharing what is a variation of normal. What helped me at the time was having a couple of friends with similar philosophies who were also doing it much the same as me. Fortunately our next baby was a better sleeper, doesn't feed quite so much, but at 16 mths is still 99% breastfed and wakes at night anything from 1 feed for the night to every hour or so. Sleep deprivation is the cruellest of things, we should wear a big badge warning people of how much sleep we've had so they know in advance not to expect too much. I have come to the conclusion to not expect too much from your baby, then you can't be dissapointed and just let it be what it will be. Good luck with it, Megan (Mum to 4 little boys) __ NOD32 1.1257 (20051016) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] safetsleep
i Jo - there are actually studies relating back sleeping and increased incidence of plagiocephaly - will see if I can find them quickly and send to you. Pinky - Original Message - From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] safetsleep Hi all, Was wondering if anyone else thinks that there's a link between the increase of plagiocephaly due to the SIDS idea of sleeping baby on back at the bottom of the cot? Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 3 October 2005 9:46 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] safetsleep Hi Miriam, I have done the tiki tour - impressed and would definitely like to mention safetsleep as an option in my book. I do appreciate all the work you are doing and can see some great uses for safetsleep but also have some questions: 1) I would be really concerned that some parents would use Safetsleep as a 'restraint'. But I guess if that were the case, the same thinking would mean that they would not have grasped whatever gentle/ respectful info I had written in the first place so were still coming from a 'convenient baby' / baby as object to be trained mentality. ie -I personally would hate to see such a product used to prevent a toddler from getting of of bed- I have read in at least one book and heard from a MB unit where the treatment for toddlers who dont stay in bed is to remove the lightbulb and lock the door - although I highly doubt you would approve of this either. 2) I am pleased to see that the babies in the letters on your site who had plagiocephaly also received physio -I have concerns that things like helmets on bubs only 'cosmetically' correct the symtoms (ie flat head) not the causes ie the underlying reasons for torticolus/ positional turns ( retained reflexes ? neurology ? tight muscles). I know of several parents here who have had feeding difficulties with such bubs ( ie uncomfortable feeding from one side/ refusal on one side) who have been treated either by a cranial osteopath or a paediatric chiro and when this has been corrected, then these bubs are content to change sides etc (ie the problem is fixed not just the symptom - ie flat head). My own youngest child is regularly treated by a chiro ( initially because of dyslexia which improved remarkably). At the first visit it was found that he still had some early reflexes present and the chiro commented - he would have had difficulty breastfeeding? My response was that as he was my 5th child he wouldnt have had any difficulties - whether this meant holding him upside down if necessary of course i didnt do any such thing but certainly would have compensated for any difficulty by altering feeding positions rather than seeking a cause because at the time i wasnt aware that 'the cause' ie a neurological problem/ retained reflexes could be involved. Incidentally, he didnt/ doesn't have a flat head - he coslept so would have been side sleeping / changing sides perfectly safely and naturally, anyway. (perhaps reinforcing my point that while symptoms can be corrected, this doesnt necessarily mean the child is 'fixed') However, I do have to acknowledge that this isnt every parent's choice and also that sadly, infant sleep is fraught with fear -Im amazed by comments to the mother in the testimonial (on your site) by her plunket nurse re the danger of side sleeping - poor mums. Are you in Australia or Auckland? I will send the handouts. Pinky - Original Message - From: Safetsleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman pinky i hv a very keen interest to meet up with you at some stage.. .from what i have heard and read about you our philosophies are very similar. My background being mainly nursing, parenting, counselling, community work and nearly 20 years facilitating positive parenting workshops ,confidence building for women, trust building, sexuality /drug and alcohol awareness and other educationaly empowering issues . 29 yrs ago for my eldest son, and since then subsequent children, i happen to have designed a special sleepwrap which allows all natural movement depending on the age and stage of the baby, except those movements which could cause harm eg creeping and postional asphyxia, standing, climbing , falling, rolling off beds,helping to prevent and correct positional plagiocephaly (flat/deformed heads) and seems to provde a sence of security with minimal restriction ( far less even than total swaddling)...mothers report babies sleeping better/longer/more peacefullyand for them a huge feeling of peace of mind 13 years ago initial trials spanned 6 months, involved over 300 babies, 600 parents and 15 clinicians from various
Re: [ozmidwifery] safetsleep
Its an attachment so sending offline Pinky - Original Message - From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] safetsleep Hi all, Was wondering if anyone else thinks that there's a link between the increase of plagiocephaly due to the SIDS idea of sleeping baby on back at the bottom of the cot? Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Monday, 3 October 2005 9:46 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] safetsleep Hi Miriam, I have done the tiki tour - impressed and would definitely like to mention safetsleep as an option in my book. I do appreciate all the work you are doing and can see some great uses for safetsleep but also have some questions: 1) I would be really concerned that some parents would use Safetsleep as a 'restraint'. But I guess if that were the case, the same thinking would mean that they would not have grasped whatever gentle/ respectful info I had written in the first place so were still coming from a 'convenient baby' / baby as object to be trained mentality. ie -I personally would hate to see such a product used to prevent a toddler from getting of of bed- I have read in at least one book and heard from a MB unit where the treatment for toddlers who dont stay in bed is to remove the lightbulb and lock the door - although I highly doubt you would approve of this either. 2) I am pleased to see that the babies in the letters on your site who had plagiocephaly also received physio -I have concerns that things like helmets on bubs only 'cosmetically' correct the symtoms (ie flat head) not the causes ie the underlying reasons for torticolus/ positional turns ( retained reflexes ? neurology ? tight muscles). I know of several parents here who have had feeding difficulties with such bubs ( ie uncomfortable feeding from one side/ refusal on one side) who have been treated either by a cranial osteopath or a paediatric chiro and when this has been corrected, then these bubs are content to change sides etc (ie the problem is fixed not just the symptom - ie flat head). My own youngest child is regularly treated by a chiro ( initially because of dyslexia which improved remarkably). At the first visit it was found that he still had some early reflexes present and the chiro commented - he would have had difficulty breastfeeding? My response was that as he was my 5th child he wouldnt have had any difficulties - whether this meant holding him upside down if necessary of course i didnt do any such thing but certainly would have compensated for any difficulty by altering feeding positions rather than seeking a cause because at the time i wasnt aware that 'the cause' ie a neurological problem/ retained reflexes could be involved. Incidentally, he didnt/ doesn't have a flat head - he coslept so would have been side sleeping / changing sides perfectly safely and naturally, anyway. (perhaps reinforcing my point that while symptoms can be corrected, this doesnt necessarily mean the child is 'fixed') However, I do have to acknowledge that this isnt every parent's choice and also that sadly, infant sleep is fraught with fear -Im amazed by comments to the mother in the testimonial (on your site) by her plunket nurse re the danger of side sleeping - poor mums. Are you in Australia or Auckland? I will send the handouts. Pinky - Original Message - From: Safetsleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman pinky i hv a very keen interest to meet up with you at some stage.. .from what i have heard and read about you our philosophies are very similar. My background being mainly nursing, parenting, counselling, community work and nearly 20 years facilitating positive parenting workshops ,confidence building for women, trust building, sexuality /drug and alcohol awareness and other educationaly empowering issues . 29 yrs ago for my eldest son, and since then subsequent children, i happen to have designed a special sleepwrap which allows all natural movement depending on the age and stage of the baby, except those movements which could cause harm eg creeping and postional asphyxia, standing, climbing , falling, rolling off beds,helping to prevent and correct positional plagiocephaly (flat/deformed heads) and seems to provde a sence of security with minimal restriction ( far less even than total swaddling)...mothers report babies sleeping better/longer/more peacefullyand for them a huge feeling of peace of mind 13 years ago initial trials spanned 6 months, involved over 300 babies, 600 parents and 15 clinicians from various fields within the medical profession (no mean feat as you will all know) since then consistent 20-25% of all first-time
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board
Hi Barb, wondering if I could please have your permission to use your below quote re sleeps in my sleep book -must have saved this thread from ozmid discussion, hope all is well and Tasmania was a fabulous success! still in slow lane here but having some better days in between the stuffed ones - would like more predictability but I guess its keeping me in an empathetic state with new mums :) (bugger it!) thanks - in anticipation, Pinky - Original Message - From: Barb Glare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board Babies! They change so quickly just when we have in fact decided that sleep promotes sleep (which at a certain ange and stage with certain babies it does) then they go and change! It seems to always be a compromise between our needs and their's. My 3 biological children stoped having sleeps around 2 (usually just as I had the next baby). But, when they didn't have a sleep they'd go to bed at 7.30, which suited me perfectly. If they had a sleep - fell asleep in the car or such, they'd be up til 11 or later. And even 1/2 an hr nap would mean 3 hrs delayed bedtime - how does that work? Even now, my 11 yr old is up at 6am, bringing the rest of the family with him. Still, while it was a bit early for me, I coped better getting up early than having to stay up late. My husband considers 5 hrs sleep per night a veritable sleep in - no wonder the kids don't need lots of sleep. Guan is a much better sleeper-iner that her siblings, though tends to be more of a night owl. I always think breasts are such fabulous things for putting an end to an over-tired 2yr old tantrum, and getting them to sleep extra fast when mum's had enough. For the life of me I don't understand the current info that's often given not to feed to sleep. A couple of minutes and they are out for the count, as the breast knock-out drops do their thing. And some-times you make that decision that you'll put up with the staying up late if you get an hr some time in the day to finish something that needs to be done, or have a quiet coffee with a friend. - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board every child is different !! I agree wholeheartedly with you here Jo. Lets remember this is why 'one size fits all' advice so often makes mothers feel inadequate. Also, what works for a while may not work another time - even for the same child. So much is trial and error - and surrender! I frequently find that when a mother is supported to ignore the pressures of how much/ how often a baby or child should' sleep, and sees her child as the individual spirit he/she is, she will work out what is best for her child/ family. Amazingly, (or perhaps not) this confidence seems to be a big factor in the child 'miraculously' settling. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board I have to respectfully disagree, all the the more they sleep the more they sleep advice to the contrary my daughter goes to sleep in record time the days she skips her nap and is up 2 hours past her bedtime if we let her nap too long or too late. It is sheer hell Every child is different, I don't think it helps anyone to say that all kids sleep better at night if they sleep better during the day because it just makes those of us with different sleepers feel worse. cheers Jo At 6:27 PM +1000 1/1/05, Fiona Craig Rumble wrote: ? Hi all just thought I'd throw in my 5 cents worth on the sleeping in the day subject. My first child refused to sleep during the day at all, unless I was wearing her in a sling (or we were at a NMAA meeting when she would make a liar of me and blissfully sleep in the capsule). When I became pregnant with no. 2 when 1st was 1 year I thought I was in trouble as I needed a nap! Luckily at 14 months she decided a daytime sleep would be OK! I am a firm believer that the better a child sleeps during the day, the better they sleep at night, and have never personally known an occasion when keeping a child from having a sleep during the day helped them to sleep at night. Child just gets over-tired and harder to get to sleep. The least stress is the best, so stay calm and enjoy your little ones. Soon they are all growed up and hard to get to go to bed and even harder to get out of bed! Cheers Fiona -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe
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oops - meant to send offline - all stories welcome tho Pinky - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board Hi Barb, wondering if I could please have your permission to use your below quote re sleeps in my sleep book -must have saved this thread from ozmid discussion, hope all is well and Tasmania was a fabulous success! still in slow lane here but having some better days in between the stuffed ones - would like more predictability but I guess its keeping me in an empathetic state with new mums :) (bugger it!) thanks - in anticipation, Pinky - Original Message - From: Barb Glare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board Babies! They change so quickly just when we have in fact decided that sleep promotes sleep (which at a certain ange and stage with certain babies it does) then they go and change! It seems to always be a compromise between our needs and their's. My 3 biological children stoped having sleeps around 2 (usually just as I had the next baby). But, when they didn't have a sleep they'd go to bed at 7.30, which suited me perfectly. If they had a sleep - fell asleep in the car or such, they'd be up til 11 or later. And even 1/2 an hr nap would mean 3 hrs delayed bedtime - how does that work? Even now, my 11 yr old is up at 6am, bringing the rest of the family with him. Still, while it was a bit early for me, I coped better getting up early than having to stay up late. My husband considers 5 hrs sleep per night a veritable sleep in - no wonder the kids don't need lots of sleep. Guan is a much better sleeper-iner that her siblings, though tends to be more of a night owl. I always think breasts are such fabulous things for putting an end to an over-tired 2yr old tantrum, and getting them to sleep extra fast when mum's had enough. For the life of me I don't understand the current info that's often given not to feed to sleep. A couple of minutes and they are out for the count, as the breast knock-out drops do their thing. And some-times you make that decision that you'll put up with the staying up late if you get an hr some time in the day to finish something that needs to be done, or have a quiet coffee with a friend. - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board every child is different !! I agree wholeheartedly with you here Jo. Lets remember this is why 'one size fits all' advice so often makes mothers feel inadequate. Also, what works for a while may not work another time - even for the same child. So much is trial and error - and surrender! I frequently find that when a mother is supported to ignore the pressures of how much/ how often a baby or child should' sleep, and sees her child as the individual spirit he/she is, she will work out what is best for her child/ family. Amazingly, (or perhaps not) this confidence seems to be a big factor in the child 'miraculously' settling. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Message for Ozmid board I have to respectfully disagree, all the the more they sleep the more they sleep advice to the contrary my daughter goes to sleep in record time the days she skips her nap and is up 2 hours past her bedtime if we let her nap too long or too late. It is sheer hell Every child is different, I don't think it helps anyone to say that all kids sleep better at night if they sleep better during the day because it just makes those of us with different sleepers feel worse. cheers Jo At 6:27 PM +1000 1/1/05, Fiona Craig Rumble wrote: ? Hi all just thought I'd throw in my 5 cents worth on the sleeping in the day subject. My first child refused to sleep during the day at all, unless I was wearing her in a sling (or we were at a NMAA meeting when she would make a liar of me and blissfully sleep in the capsule). When I became pregnant with no. 2 when 1st was 1 year I thought I was in trouble as I needed a nap! Luckily at 14 months she decided a daytime sleep would be OK! I am a firm believer that the better a child sleeps during the day, the better they sleep at night, and have never personally known an occasion when keeping a child from having a sleep during the day helped them to sleep at night. Child just gets over-tired and harder to get to sleep. The least stress is the best, so stay calm and enjoy your little ones. Soon they are all growed up and hard to get to go to bed and even harder to get out of bed
Re: [ozmidwifery] safetsleep
Hi Miriam, I have done the tiki tour - impressed and would definitely like to mention safetsleep as an option in my book. I do appreciate all the work you are doing and can see some great uses for safetsleep but also have some questions: 1) I would be really concerned that some parents would use Safetsleep as a 'restraint'. But I guess if that were the case, the same thinking would mean that they would not have grasped whatever gentle/ respectful info I had written in the first place so were still coming from a 'convenient baby' / baby as object to be trained mentality. ie -I personally would hate to see such a product used to prevent a toddler from getting of of bed- I have read in at least one book and heard from a MB unit where the treatment for toddlers who dont stay in bed is to remove the lightbulb and lock the door - although I highly doubt you would approve of this either. 2) I am pleased to see that the babies in the letters on your site who had plagiocephaly also received physio -I have concerns that things like helmets on bubs only 'cosmetically' correct the symtoms (ie flat head) not the causes ie the underlying reasons for torticolus/ positional turns ( retained reflexes ? neurology ? tight muscles). I know of several parents here who have had feeding difficulties with such bubs ( ie uncomfortable feeding from one side/ refusal on one side) who have been treated either by a cranial osteopath or a paediatric chiro and when this has been corrected, then these bubs are content to change sides etc (ie the problem is fixed not just the symptom - ie flat head). My own youngest child is regularly treated by a chiro ( initially because of dyslexia which improved remarkably). At the first visit it was found that he still had some early reflexes present and the chiro commented - he would have had difficulty breastfeeding? My response was that as he was my 5th child he wouldnt have had any difficulties - whether this meant holding him upside down if necessary of course i didnt do any such thing but certainly would have compensated for any difficulty by altering feeding positions rather than seeking a cause because at the time i wasnt aware that 'the cause' ie a neurological problem/ retained reflexes could be involved. Incidentally, he didnt/ doesn't have a flat head - he coslept so would have been side sleeping / changing sides perfectly safely and naturally, anyway. (perhaps reinforcing my point that while symptoms can be corrected, this doesnt necessarily mean the child is 'fixed') However, I do have to acknowledge that this isnt every parent's choice and also that sadly, infant sleep is fraught with fear -Im amazed by comments to the mother in the testimonial (on your site) by her plunket nurse re the danger of side sleeping - poor mums. Are you in Australia or Auckland? I will send the handouts. Pinky - Original Message - From: Safetsleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman pinky i hv a very keen interest to meet up with you at some stage.. .from what i have heard and read about you our philosophies are very similar. My background being mainly nursing, parenting, counselling, community work and nearly 20 years facilitating positive parenting workshops ,confidence building for women, trust building, sexuality /drug and alcohol awareness and other educationaly empowering issues . 29 yrs ago for my eldest son, and since then subsequent children, i happen to have designed a special sleepwrap which allows all natural movement depending on the age and stage of the baby, except those movements which could cause harm eg creeping and postional asphyxia, standing, climbing , falling, rolling off beds,helping to prevent and correct positional plagiocephaly (flat/deformed heads) and seems to provde a sence of security with minimal restriction ( far less even than total swaddling)...mothers report babies sleeping better/longer/more peacefullyand for them a huge feeling of peace of mind 13 years ago initial trials spanned 6 months, involved over 300 babies, 600 parents and 15 clinicians from various fields within the medical profession (no mean feat as you will all know) since then consistent 20-25% of all first-time babies in nz are reached...several countries including european countries have received the product and positive parenting philosophy that accompanies it very well with the enthusiasm and skill of one of my son's the product is just starting in the uk .hospital clinical trials were completed 2 yrs ago under the guidance of a Canadian cranio-facial plastic surgeon, who was/is concerned with the 20% (!) of babies who do not respond to alternate head turning nor any of the interventions currently advocated and who will remain with permanently different degrees of deformed heads
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You would be a formidable mother to meet in a clinic Janet! Im grinning here at the thought. Pinky - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Oh no, Jo! I hear this stuff all the time. To find a MCHN who supports bf and doesn't teach CC is bloody rare! I've got a list of recommended ones across Oz and it's really pathetically small. I just can't understand why a practice which causes brain damage and attachment disorders is being promoted as the only way. It makes me livid and nauseated. My MCHN (I only went twice...) warned me about cosleeping because it's dangerous. I told her she obviously needed to do more research if she felt that way. She told me her bosses say she has to warn women... : ( J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
Brenda, I beg your pardon!!! What are you on about I dont have any such Q and A in either of my books -or in fact in any articles that I have ever written, nor do I agree with any such theories as parent directed feeding or baby training. In fact I would advocate the absolute opposite . I am wondering whether you are mixing me up with another writer who also writes for Practical Parenting. I wont mention names here but I have been very disturbed by this particular person who advocates rigid routines for newborns - and the ensuing confusion that I am in some way associated with this nonsense.. Obviously you have not read my books so please dont put me into the same bag as the Ezzos. I really take offence at such defamatory comments. Pinky McKay www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! You know some of these Q A are also in Pinky Mackays book ? They are not alone in this theorising. BM - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! This is from his website, Katrina. http://www.gfi.org/java/jsp/cust_ezzo.jsp Gary Ezzo is the Executive Director of Growing Families International. He is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and served ten years as Pastor to Family Ministries in Sun Valley, California. Anne Marie Ezzo is a registered nurse and a childbirth instructor. She is the co-founder of Christian Childbirth Educators and co-author of Birth by Design. Together, the Ezzos have authored a number of biblically based parenting curriculums and books used throughout the world, including, Growing Kids God's Way, Reflections of Moral Innocence, Preparation for Parenting, Preparation for the Toddler Years, Preparation for Adolescence, The Smart Parent, and Reaching the Heart of Your Teen. In addition, Gary has co-authored On Becoming Babywise, On Becoming Babywise--Book Two, and On Becoming Childwise. Their church-based parenting curriculums have been utilized by more than 8,000 churches worldwide. The Ezzos have six grandchildren and reside in South Carolina. HOWEVER These are quotes from his Babywise book which just should be banned and burnt. He is a danger to babies and parents but especially to defenceless babies who are being hospitalised as a result of his advice. In a question and answer section: Question: My two-week old daughternurses on one side, then falls asleep. Two hours later, she wants to eat again. What should I do? Answer: You need to keep your baby awake during feeding time. . . Babies learn very quickly from the laws of natural consequences. If your daughter doesn't eat at one feeding, then make her wait until the next one. That will probably only happen once. Don't feed her between routine mealtimes; otherwise, you are teaching her to snack, not eat (p. 180). Again, in a question and answer section: Question: My baby is eight weeks old and has not yet slept through the night. What should I do to eliminate the middle-of-the-night feeding? Answer: If he is waking every night at basically the same time, then he is waking out of nighttime habit and not out of need. If that's the case, you may need to help him eliminate the feeding period by not physically attending to him. Normally it takes three nights of some crying before the habit is broken. He will never remember those three nights, nor will they have any negative effects on him (p. 182). Lack of regularity sends a negative signal to the baby's body, creating metabolic confusion that negatively affects his or her hunger, digestive, and sleep/wake cycles (p. 43). Medical authorities know that when you deal with life-and-death situations, babies thrive better when fed on routine as compared to nonroutine feedings (p. 44). A breast feeding mom is more likely to be successful with a daily infant plan than with random feeding periods (p. 44). Chelsea's digestive system will have fewer problems with colic-like symptoms when compared with her demand-fed cousin (p. 45). Between the third and eighth week, her [Chelsea's] mom can expect her to begin sleeping seven to eight hours straight through the night. Chelsea will probably sleep ten to twelve hours per night by week twelve (p. 45). Learning disorders associated with nonstructured styles of parenting-including deficiencies in sitting, focusing, and concentrating-are minimized with routine (p. 46). Mothers who are constantly attentive by way of baby slings, shared sleep, and demand feeding, all in hopes of fostering security, too often accomplish the opposite (p. 46). One such book, On Becoming Babywise, has raised concern among pediatricians because it outlines an infant
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
I beg your pardon!!! Brenda what are you on about??? this theorising I do not have any such Q and A (in fact I dont have any Q and A) in either of my books. I do NOT in any way EVER advocate rigid routines or parent directed feeding and have never written any such information EVER -in fact I hold very opposing views. Please dont make such ignorant and defamatory statements when you obviously have not read my books which BTW - are approved by ABA and La Leche League International and recommended by the Australian Association of Infant Mental Health as an alternative to controlled crying. Hardly in agreeance with Ezzo! Pinky McKay www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! You know some of these Q A are also in Pinky Mackays book ? They are not alone in this theorising. BM - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! This is from his website, Katrina. http://www.gfi.org/java/jsp/cust_ezzo.jsp Gary Ezzo is the Executive Director of Growing Families International. He is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and served ten years as Pastor to Family Ministries in Sun Valley, California. Anne Marie Ezzo is a registered nurse and a childbirth instructor. She is the co-founder of Christian Childbirth Educators and co-author of Birth by Design. Together, the Ezzos have authored a number of biblically based parenting curriculums and books used throughout the world, including, Growing Kids God's Way, Reflections of Moral Innocence, Preparation for Parenting, Preparation for the Toddler Years, Preparation for Adolescence, The Smart Parent, and Reaching the Heart of Your Teen. In addition, Gary has co-authored On Becoming Babywise, On Becoming Babywise--Book Two, and On Becoming Childwise. Their church-based parenting curriculums have been utilized by more than 8,000 churches worldwide. The Ezzos have six grandchildren and reside in South Carolina. HOWEVER These are quotes from his Babywise book which just should be banned and burnt. He is a danger to babies and parents but especially to defenceless babies who are being hospitalised as a result of his advice. In a question and answer section: Question: My two-week old daughternurses on one side, then falls asleep. Two hours later, she wants to eat again. What should I do? Answer: You need to keep your baby awake during feeding time. . . Babies learn very quickly from the laws of natural consequences. If your daughter doesn't eat at one feeding, then make her wait until the next one. That will probably only happen once. Don't feed her between routine mealtimes; otherwise, you are teaching her to snack, not eat (p. 180). Again, in a question and answer section: Question: My baby is eight weeks old and has not yet slept through the night. What should I do to eliminate the middle-of-the-night feeding? Answer: If he is waking every night at basically the same time, then he is waking out of nighttime habit and not out of need. If that's the case, you may need to help him eliminate the feeding period by not physically attending to him. Normally it takes three nights of some crying before the habit is broken. He will never remember those three nights, nor will they have any negative effects on him (p. 182). Lack of regularity sends a negative signal to the baby's body, creating metabolic confusion that negatively affects his or her hunger, digestive, and sleep/wake cycles (p. 43). Medical authorities know that when you deal with life-and-death situations, babies thrive better when fed on routine as compared to nonroutine feedings (p. 44). A breast feeding mom is more likely to be successful with a daily infant plan than with random feeding periods (p. 44). Chelsea's digestive system will have fewer problems with colic-like symptoms when compared with her demand-fed cousin (p. 45). Between the third and eighth week, her [Chelsea's] mom can expect her to begin sleeping seven to eight hours straight through the night. Chelsea will probably sleep ten to twelve hours per night by week twelve (p. 45). Learning disorders associated with nonstructured styles of parenting-including deficiencies in sitting, focusing, and concentrating-are minimized with routine (p. 46). Mothers who are constantly attentive by way of baby slings, shared sleep, and demand feeding, all in hopes of fostering security, too often accomplish the opposite (p. 46). One such book, On Becoming Babywise, has raised concern among pediatricians because it outlines an infant feeding program that has been associated with failure to thrive (FTT), poor weight gain, dehydration, breast milk supply
Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!!
Lisa - we have stacks of Gina's books in our bookshops too- as I teach baby massage (I am a former LLL group leader and have recently sat my LC exam), I see mums who have read these and are very confused by this rigid advice, babies who are sucking on dummies continuously, and babies who are avoiding eye contact which I assume is related to the advice to parents to avoid eye contact with infants so they get the message to sleep. I do a lot of work with infant communication and bonding and see very positive results as women regain their confidence - but feel very sad that babies and mothers are being hurt this way. I just realised two postings arrived from me re Brenda's post - my computer crashed the first time so I thought it had deleted -anyway I hope I have made myself clear! I am NOT a babytrainer! Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! In the Uk, we have Gina Ford. Also a very popular book, and as a mother, doula and breastfeeding counsellor myself, her views leave an awful lot to be desired. Her books are purely anecdotal and contain not a shred of evidence. I know many mums that have collapsed into an exhausted heap trying to follow the fanatical time routines. It can take weeks to repair the damage. Why can't we just encourage mums to trust themselves, rather than reach for the latest faddish book. I have heard of the ezzo's toosounds very similar to GF! - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! Brenda, I beg your pardon!!! What are you on about I dont have any such Q and A in either of my books -or in fact in any articles that I have ever written, nor do I agree with any such theories as parent directed feeding or baby training. In fact I would advocate the absolute opposite . I am wondering whether you are mixing me up with another writer who also writes for Practical Parenting. I wont mention names here but I have been very disturbed by this particular person who advocates rigid routines for newborns - and the ensuing confusion that I am in some way associated with this nonsense.. Obviously you have not read my books so please dont put me into the same bag as the Ezzos. I really take offence at such defamatory comments. Pinky McKay www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! You know some of these Q A are also in Pinky Mackays book ? They are not alone in this theorising. BM - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Watch Out The Ezzo's Are in Town!! This is from his website, Katrina. http://www.gfi.org/java/jsp/cust_ezzo.jsp Gary Ezzo is the Executive Director of Growing Families International. He is a graduate of Talbot Theological Seminary and served ten years as Pastor to Family Ministries in Sun Valley, California. Anne Marie Ezzo is a registered nurse and a childbirth instructor. She is the co-founder of Christian Childbirth Educators and co-author of Birth by Design. Together, the Ezzos have authored a number of biblically based parenting curriculums and books used throughout the world, including, Growing Kids God's Way, Reflections of Moral Innocence, Preparation for Parenting, Preparation for the Toddler Years, Preparation for Adolescence, The Smart Parent, and Reaching the Heart of Your Teen. In addition, Gary has co-authored On Becoming Babywise, On Becoming Babywise--Book Two, and On Becoming Childwise. Their church-based parenting curriculums have been utilized by more than 8,000 churches worldwide. The Ezzos have six grandchildren and reside in South Carolina. HOWEVER These are quotes from his Babywise book which just should be banned and burnt. He is a danger to babies and parents but especially to defenceless babies who are being hospitalised as a result of his advice. In a question and answer section: Question: My two-week old daughternurses on one side, then falls asleep. Two hours later, she wants to eat again. What should I do? Answer: You need to keep your baby awake during feeding time. . . Babies learn very quickly from the laws of natural consequences. If your daughter doesn't eat at one feeding, then make her wait until the next one. That will probably only happen once. Don't feed her between routine mealtimes; otherwise, you are teaching her to snack, not eat (p. 180). Again, in a question and answer
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Hi Abby, thanks heaps for your support and kind words. Pinky - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hi, Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would ever be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings. They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and also give great practical advice when needed. I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/ I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject it makes me dizzie! lol! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] BIG Apology to Pinky
Thankyou Brenda, Apology accepted. I was wondering what on earth you were on about as I have really enjoyed reading your posts. Do you think there has been confusion with the 'other' writer mentioned? I have been very concerned about this possibility as it wouldnt be the first time this has happened and I am wondering how to conteract this. I even had a concerned (and irate)MCH nurse call me once re a specific case - of which I had no knowledge and couldnt have even have given 'second hand' advice to the woman concerned. It turned out to also be a case of confusion over me and another person who gave rigid scheduling advice - which I definitely dont. Thanks again, Pinky - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] BIG Apology to Pinky Listers, I wonder if in fact I have a severe case of confused writers dreadfulfoot mouth disease! AsI have read Pinkys book use the advicebecauseit's 'infant friendly'. I don't know where my head was ! I will apologise profusely to Pinky via personal email as well as on the list ! Very bad hair day !! Regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
thanks Janet - Brenda and I have made up and are speaking civilly to each other re the dilemma of confused identity and schedules versus mother support. I am currently writing a new book on infant sleep - all sleep stories/ memories/ anecdotes - welcome. Better clarify - I will not be advocating parent directed feeding, controlled crying or leaving babies to cry it out. please email me offline if you want to share [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Pinky - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hear hear! : ) J - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Hi, Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would ever be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings. They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and also give great practical advice when needed. I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful. http://www.pinky-mychild.com/ I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject it makes me dizzie! lol! Love Abby -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
Thanks too kelly I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see baby section) I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who would like them to print out for parents - Give me some respect (also on my site but handout is properly designed) and 15 Ways to Help your baby sleep (basic tips) plus 15 Ways to Calm the Crying. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? Hehehehe :) Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; ) : ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery led units
I agree totally with your comments Tania. Sally, you were fabulous. My daughter who is just pregnant (my first grandchild) called to remind me to watch this. She wasnt at all impressed with the scarved DR or frightened by his comments. She was present and involved at her baby brother's birth when she was tenso perhaps birth is a more natural event to her than for many first time pregnant women. However,seeing she is exactly the target segment of women that we dont want to embrace this fear of birth, I think you did an excellent job counteracting the fearmongering Dr. So congrats and thankyou for your poised and rational comments, Sally. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] "Midwifery led units" I knew it was going to be a mild disaster Quite the opposite Sally, there are, Im sure, many of us out here who admire greatly your ability to think on your feet and point out that Sri Devis transfer illustrates exactly how the unit works, involving a tertiary centre in a safe and appropriate way when needed . What really came across was your overwhelming grace and respect for women I cant say the same for our scarved Dr. Well done again Tania Smallwood IPM Adelaide
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding
Denise - are there any links to this story? I have tried searching without success . Barb - love the breastfeeding story -oh to be a fly on the wall later. Go Girl Guan, get that mummy organised and her bra on properly! Years ago I was minding a friend's child while she took her new baby ( adopted from Haiti) to a Dr. While there, baby grizzled and as this was her first adopted tiny bub, she said she was thinking 'what would Pinky do?' ( I had a baby a few months older at the time). Of course, the obvious came to mind so she whipped up her top and popped her baby onto to her very white breast. We still joke about that poor Drs surprise - he actually stopped mid sentence and gave an audible gasp. Pinky - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Mary The accompanying headlines and article were blaming co-sleeping and warning everyone off it! The Deputy coroner of WA was reported as saying it has inspired here to look into recent SIDS case for evdience of overlaying which has been the cause of this! Despite the reporting the baby having fallen off the couch and not found for sometime till the mother woke and then put in his cot!! All a little susprect but the headlines and by lines warning of the dangers of Co-sleeping!! Denise Hynd Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled. - Linda Hes - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding Gloria, as indicated below, couch sleeping is very dangerous...and the woman was asleep on the couch. I heard her say that the baby was between the back of the couch and her.. also she must have turned over at some time as she had her back to the baby. She put the baby back in the cot and 'found it' as she was too frightened to say she had fallen asleep and suffocated it. It has been blamed on extreme fatigue of new mothers and co-sleeping. Big hoo-ha. MM Whenever one hears of a co sleeping death, the question needs to be asked Was the adult medicated or drunk? GL SIDS figures show that falling asleep (or sleeping intentionally as well probably) on a couch with a baby is far more dangerous than co-sleeping in bed. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Human Milk Bank
I have forwarded this to Margaret Callaghan ( in the article)- she is a fabulous LC -a past pres of ALCAafew years ago. Haven't heard anything recently re milk bank proposal. I think Marg is in NZat present so we may not hear for a while. Pinky - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Human Milk Bank Hmmm. Well I haven't heard anything about it and I'm in contact with many lactavists who'd love this. I shall do some investigating! Anyone know the LC in the article? J - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Human Milk Bank This was on the list earlier this year. Helen Cahill http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/12/1092102573402.html Australia's first milk bankAugust 12, 2004 - 1:06PMAustralia's first milk bank is to start offering breast milk to newmothers in Victoria from the beginning of next year.Melbourne-based lactation consultant Margaret Callaghan plans to openthe private service which will pasteurise milk donations and offer themto mothers who cannot produce enough for their own babies.The proposal has raised questions about how the new service would beregulated.Ms Callaghan said the private company setting up the Victorian milk bankplanned to set up in NSW next and then to establish clinics nationwide.She said new mothers who wanted to donate would be screened for diseaseand would then express the milk at home."It wouldn't be like a cow shed," she said.The milk would be pasteurised and given to premature babies whosemothers for some reason could not provide enough milk.Premature babies would be targeted initially as they were the mostlikely to suffer necrotising enterocolitis (NEC), or bowel blockages,after being fed formula, she said.Mothers milk also aided neurological development and reduced the risksof infections, Ms Callaghan said.Hospitals used to provide excess milk from new mothers to babies whoneeded it until the rise of the spectre of AIDS in the 80s.Ms Callaghan said that as the average age of mothers increased, so hadthe demand for breast milk."I have people ringing me saying 'Where can I get some human milkfrom'," she said.The president of paediatrics and child health of the Royal AustralasianCollege of Physicians, Professor Don Roberton today said any move tomake breast milk more available was positive as long as the milk wasproperly screened for disease.Professor Roberton said human milk had advantages over formula,especially for premature babies."But we also have to be very aware of any potential risks that mightoccur with human milk," he said.Breast milk would need to be carefully screened in the same way donatedblood was, he said.Breast milk banks operate in the UK, the USA and parts of Europe but theprospect of them opening in Australia has raised the question of who isresponsible for their regulation.A Therapeutic Goods Administration spokesman said a breast milk bankwould be a state rather than a federal responsibility.A spokesman for the Victorian Department of Human Services said a breastmilk bank would come under the State food act.The operators would have to show their product was "free of infectionand fit for human consumption" and convince the government that they hadstrict screening processes in place, he said.- AAP No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/2005__ NOD32 1.1017 (20050302) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Congratulations Pinky
thanks Fiona - how did you find out? (Or is this a dumb question - am I behind in my reading?) Pinky - Original Message - From: Fiona Rumble To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Congratulations Pinky Congratulations Pinky on winning an ABA/Ameda Scholarship. You deserve it! Regards Fiona Rumble
Re: [ozmidwifery] Congratulations Pinky
-Ah, yes, have read mine now too. Pinky - Original Message - From: Fiona Rumble To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Congratulations Pinky Essence came today! Regards Fiona Rumble - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Congratulations Pinky thanks Fiona - how did you find out? (Or is this a dumb question - am I behind in my reading?) Pinky - Original Message - From: Fiona Rumble To: ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Congratulations Pinky Congratulations Pinky on winning an ABA/Ameda Scholarship. You deserve it! Regards Fiona Rumble
Re: [ozmidwifery] umbilical cord
cord broke as my third baby was passed to me as she was born, midwife (in NZ) simply said - let her suck (at the breast) and we'll se what happens. About half an hour or so later placenta came out with a contraction (I wasnt watching the clock so maybe my timing is off but it was a while -I was falling in love with my baby) - no stress, no force, no problems. PLacenta was scarred with barely a mark where cord had been attached -I had bled quite a bit (up to 28 weeks) during this pregnancy but baby was a healthy 9 pounder. Pinky - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] umbilical cord thanks for that, at the institution where i work you give synt at the birth of the anterior shoulder, as per protocol. and no i had never been entertained with the stories of cord snapping while being delivered. i now have first hand knowledge though. ps lady is ok and there were no mishaps. Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second hole could have been caused by someone poking their finger in while trying to deliver it.. There is no need to rush the placenta out if the cord snaps. Provided there are no signs of haemorrhage i.e. bleeding, fundus rising, bp falling, pulse quickening. The placenta will separate and the action of the uterus will move it down. The synto will delay this action as the uterus contracts and traps it. I never like to give synto before the birth of the placenta, if at all, usually only at the mother's request. I am surprised you didn't learn about cords snapping, or at least been entertained with stories of this happening. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 July 2005 9:51 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] umbilical cord hello, i was with a birthing woman yesterday and wanted to share this with the list and to get everyones feelings on the matter.after waiting for signs of seperation of the placenta after the birth and following syntocinon iv i commenced controlled cord traction. After a feeling a little resistance i then stopped and waited a further few mins. When i re commenced controlled cord traction the cord came off in my hand ( much to my horror) this they did not teach in uni. as new graduate in a large hospital i asked a senior midwife for help so she tried to manually removed the placenta. The Registrar was then called and she managed to remove the placenta from the uterus. im told this is quite common what baffles me is when i examined the placenta there were two holes in it not one. the senior midwife could not explain this to me at all and was baffled also. regards sharon -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Media
Hi all, Regarding media portrayals of birth -I would like to pass on a letter sent to me by a NZ midwife . She wrote this as a complaint about a birth story that apeared in an NZ baby mag - the editor's response ended in an offer of work checking future stories for the mag. Dear , I have just received a copy of Littles (June/July edition). I flipped through and stopped to read Deborah's Story as I am a midwife and I like to keep in touch with what my clients may be reading. I was appalled at the inaccuracies in the story which are evident to anyone with a little obstetric or midwifery knowledge. I'm surprised you did not get this story edited by a health professional. Little Treasures used to print similar stories in their early days until they wised up! Please do the same as I will not be recommending this magazine to my clients or have in our waiting room. The obvious errors or inaccuracies are: a.. placenta previa is not part of a normal pregnancy. In fact it is a serious complication and always requires planned caesarian section. This woman did not have placenta praevia. She would have been hospitalised weeks before if so! b.. (baby facing wrong way) implies posterior presentation, or breech presentation. If breech presentation this woman would not have had an induction of labour at a birthing unit. c.. If the breaking of waters was unsuccessful, then how could the meconium have been noted. Meconium liquor is a reasonably common occurrence in a postdates pregnancy. It can only be detected once the waters have broken (spontaneously or artificially). Meconium liquor can indicate fetal distress, but not always. Either way it is a good reason for a transfer to hospital and may be an indication for caesarian section if combined with fetal distress. Only about 2% of babies with meconium exposure experience meconium aspiration syndrome (MAS) which can be serious, especially in a postdates baby but many others are OK at birth or require some mild medical attention. Using the word fatal is inaccurate and misleading. And by the way, the danger is inhaling the meconium, not swallowing it. d.. I am not sure how ambulance staff prioritize their transfers to hospital but priority 1 could have been non-urgent! I have reasonable faith that if it indeed was an emergency the team would have been ready on arrival to act. Even the busiest of units are good at prioritizing cases. e.. I doubt the baby's heartbeat was lost. The heartbeat may slow or dip during contractions but lost! I imagine they were having trouble picking it up due to the procedure of spinal anesthesia being performed. This is probably inaccurate and unnecessarily frightening. Internal clips can be difficult to apply at times. f.. I have never heard of anyone dying from a fatal allergy to cold! If this woman had had a spinal anesthetic she would certainly be shivering and feeling cold. A hot water bottle is usually a no no for anyone with regional anesthetia due to the risk of burns. That is basic nursing care,101. g.. all's well that ends well is certainly very true for babies born healthy even after a difficult labour. I doubt this baby was ever in any danger of not surviving, due to the time frames of events and the conditon of the baby at birth. h.. 10 days would be a most unusal postnatal stay time. Something else was going on here. i.. Every baby is a miracle and I am pleased that Samantha is a healthy 4 year old. From what I can glean there are no obvious reasons for a repeat caeserean section. In fact most woman would have a straight forward birth next time as posterior presentations (a common reason for postdates and long labours) does not seem so common in second pregnancies. j.. I find the birth photo questionable and once again misleading. This baby is only minutes old and has not perfused properly yet (pinked up). This baby is also lying is a posture very typical of breech presentations (the feet up by the ears). Either that or the baby has dislocated hips! k.. I'm sorry about their friends baby. Sadly, not every baby makes it for a variety of reasons. It is important we are clear and accurate about these reasons. I wince at stories like these. They are neither helpful or accurate. Why would you want to foster a climate of fear and danger around childbirth? Please, please, please edit your stories! Karen Palmer Midwife Pinky - Original Message - From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Media Are you serious? Every other New Idea and Womens Weekly has a childbirth drama. Brooke Shields is on this months with PND (she had a c/s) Last month's had 3 stories all c/s. I have that copy (God knows why so can scan and send!) They all sat childbirth is a totally unmanageable and pregnancy is to be endured and then all you get is fat!!! But if you run 5 hrs a day
[ozmidwifery] Protecting breastfeeding
Check out this lovely article from the NZ Herald, byobstetrician, Alison Barrett -I will get to hear her talk when I speak at the same workshop in June, run bymidwives(Hamilton NZ). NZ women are very lucky - not only do they have a great midwifery system, it sounds as tho they also have at least one great obstetrician. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=466ObjectID=10123638 Pinky, www.pinky-mychild.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Hi Barb, I grew up in Te Puke , did you? Pinky (nee schutt) - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Barb - I now reside in Victoria and deeply miss midwifery 'over there'. ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/31/05 12:03:50 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I am interested in this alleged discrimination issue. As a QNU (not QNC) Councillor I would invite persons affected in Queensland to email me off list soI can take specifics, keeping people's identity out,to the next Council meeting. people can also contact QNU direct as well.I and others have heard of this particularly in regional rural areas so I would be disappointed if this is occurring in a very larger tertiary institution that hasa large number of existingstaff, including non DEM not to have an issue with deployment. A major health organisation still denies there is a shortage of nurses/midwives!! Unfortunately all staff in health areas are being devalued to the point to feeling they are only *tools* or a piece on a chess board that get moved around to plug up the gaps!! Workloads and its grievance format was introduced 2 years ago by the MX170 in Qld and yet we still have a major employer arguing how ones goes about closing beds- bunkum!! They do not want to know. How many midwives would be interested in joining the funded daily morning walk the DG has organised for their corporate staff? Yes this walk is funded! Wouldn't it be great to tell them how hard it is to deliver quality care at the coal face, how case loading will assist the recruitment and retention of midwives and how many Bl risk managers are frustrating the care given because you spend so much time crossing the t's and dotting the i each day! I am becoming impatient. The Health Amendment Bill 2004 is being held up at the moment for very good reasons which Qld President ACMI Jenny Gamble has written about in the journal. I won't go into that in any depth as its been done to death but at least it is being held up. I hope the bureaucrat's listens and amend the offensive parts! Kiwi Kim - isn't it great being a midwife over there.I have just come back from visiting family in Te Puke and it was inspiring to see shops/houses with these signs 'Midwifery-by-the Sea', 'Bay Midwives' and the respect people have of midwives especially the marginalised groups such as ethnics, Maori, islanders and rural communities. it is indeed a truly exciting time! Cheers Barb -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M FisherSent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:00 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment I think this decision is a relatively new one by this particular hospitalandis yet to be tested by any new Australian DEM's. The Rego Board (called the QNC here) probably isn't even aware of it. Another interesting point, the QNC also has to change one of it's by-laws 1st before QLD starts training their own DEM's asone of their by-laws still state thata midwife must 1st be a nurse! Theymay have already reviewed this by-law, but I have not heard about it yet, it's the only thing holding up starting DEM"s here. Your email is the only ozmid mail that comes with an attachment to me, but as you said,probably just part of your email. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. Nearly a
Re: [ozmidwifery] Comments??
Hi Jo, I agree that birth affects readiness - having 5 births to compare, I have always felt that my personal readiness was directly related to how many fingers had been in my vagina during labour. After my second baby (an easy natural birth) I had been 'hanging out' for sex til my 6 week check - at my check up, friendly GP/OB asked re intercourse -when I said I hadn't tried yet, he asked what are you waiting for? - most embarrassed, I said, I thought I had to wait til my check up. - Now I grin that I was waiting for the Drs 'green light. Pinky - Original Message - From: Dean Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Comments?? I think the time period between birth and sex has more to with how the woman feels emotionally. There was a 6 month draught after my cs as I wouldnt even risk doing anything that could cause me to get pregnant and then have to go thru all that again. After my second (a nasty episiotomy for not reason and forceps rotation) the physical recovery determined when and then the fear took over so that was a about 3 months. After my last which was a natural intact peri birth, I was so over joyed, empowered and FIG JAM that intimacy was after about 2 weeks...the loss after that birth was almost nothing. And it was orgasmic too! Too much info??? Probably but the point is that the way in which I felt about my birth had direct correlations to the time when sex was introduced. I know a marriage that failed because she would not have sex with her husband after her cs. Another couple are fighting for their marriage in therapy as she wont either for fear of getting pregnant. Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Bilcliff Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Comments?? A very experienced midwife on the UK Midwifery list responds to that question with, It is customary to wait until after the birth of the placenta! Andrea Bilcliff - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] From MIDWIFERY TODAY E-NEWS a publication of Midwifery Today, Inc. Volume 7, Issue 7, March 30, 2005 ~~ The Art of Midwifery ~~ When I was a student midwife at the Garden of Life Birth Center in Michigan, a woman who had just had her baby asked my mentor midwife, When can we have sex again? I was surprised she was asking the question and even more surprised by Val's response: You can have sex anytime you want to, as long as I am not in the room! I was astonished, having been previously told that a woman had to wait until she stopped bleeding or at least until six weeks postpartum. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list
Alphia, Thanks, I will look forward to seeing your article when it is published - I guess what Im talking about is this medical model/ handing over of power from pregnancy/ birthextending into the mothering experience making it all an unecessary struggle to do things the 'right' way (as the book/ Dr/ expertsays), with so much fear attached, whether its birth, breastfeeding (I am seeing lots of stuffups here and lots of formula comps which seem to be related to a lack of trust in womans bodies), infant sleep/ "behaviour"issues and so it goes on -Having my 5th child becoming a teenager (the others are all adults),I am seeing increasing numbers of parents "scared" of their kids at this age - and letting themselves be bullied by the kids -I wonder if this is a long term lack of confidence about doing the 'right' thing?Is thisall tied together somehow? Maybe Im getting carried away, here , making tenuouslinks betweenmy frustrations? Pinky - From: Alphia Possamai-Inesedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list Pinky,I know what you mean about that frustrated feeling. Although I have been coming at this from a different angle than many on the list. I am not a practicing midwife, I am just finishing my PhD in the area of sociology of health. I was trying to understand exactly what you are speaking about - yet in relation to an active engagement with the medical model during pregnancy and birth. I was questioning why so many women felt that they were doing the most responsible thing for their baby and themselves by employing the medical model - some not only employing but completely embracing. I did my field work with over 50 women from a range of backgrounds (all of my mothers are wonderful and all of their stories emotional - but I had some wonderful home birth stories). They too regarded pregnancy as a reading assignment and often discussed their pregnancy and birth in medical terms. I wont bore you with my theoretical approach - but I found - as you say, that there is so much there to undermine a woman and her trust in her body. That combining aspects such as the public surveillance of the pregnant woman, the medicalized discourse that surrounds pregnancy and birth in the media, the notion of the female faulty body which we are socialized into, the increase of technology etc. leads many women to think that this is one of the most risky passages of their lives. Which is a paradox of course! I am about to publish an article on my central ideas - I think the article will make a whole lot more sense than what I just said!Anyway, I wish all of the passionate women on this list all of the strength and energy that is needed to counteract this wave of disempowerment that so many women feel during this time of their life. (I have a habit of being corny!)Take careAlphia At 10:38 AM 15/03/2005, you wrote: Hi Alphia - if I could just work that out, maybe I wouldnt feel so frustrated. It doesn't take a whole lot of support/ feedback to help a new mother feel confident that she can handle her baby and her new life - her way! Yet there seems so much to undermine herand the tide againt trusting herself is very strong.For instance, I am constantly amazed at how much reading women do - I have had mothers quote verbatim from 'experts' -invariably men who dont experience hormones/ breasts/bellies or 24 hour care and responsibility no matter how wellmeant/ caring, their advice. It seems in many cases the reading cant be 'smoothed' to fit the woman and her baby, but rather she struggles to either make her baby "fit" the model, or strives herself to live up to unrealistic images of perfection.I feel sad that birthing/ mothering in so many cases is an academic exercise (head stuff), not a more relaxed, experiential sharing between women - mothers and midwives -from the heart.Pinky - Original Message - From: Alphia Possamai-Inesedy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list Dear Pinky and Kerreen, Pinky, I totally agree with you - but shouldnt we be questioning then why so many mothers do this? What is at the base of it. By the way Kerreen - I have read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it - it is such a valuable piece of research that is providing to the public insight which would have otherwise been lost. I have enjoyed the voices of your respondents very much. The voices of your obstetricians provide us with a glimpse of the power relations that existed in the different time periods that you examined - and although many feel that w
Re: [ozmidwifery] Selangor Maternity
Hi Kim - are you from Hamilton? I had 2 babies there. In the earlydays when we were lobbying for home births / choices. I must say though, even then (1976 and 80), birth was treated as a normal event- nobody offered me drugs (I didnt "need" them, but it simply wasnt mentioned). What fabulous choices these are-and all funded. Pinky - Original Message - From: Kim Stead To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Selangor Maternity Looks nice doesn't it!!! Here's a couple more sites ofbirth centres in NZ for anyone who may be interested.Both of these were set upby midwives and both centres are in the same town! Wouldn't it be great to see this sort of thing all around Australia. I live in hope. http://www.riverridgeeastbc.co.nz/ http://www.waterfordbc.co.nz/waterford/index.php?ctnt=about.php Kiwi Kim. ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 03/11/05 21:29:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Selangor Maternity Dear All Mayne Health sold many of its hospitals to Affinity Health including Selangor below is the web address thru which you can do a virtual tour Unfortunately you do not meet Lunne or Ted Weaver http://www.affinityhealth.com.au/queensland/san/selangor.htm Denise Hynd "Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled." Linda Hes
Re: [ozmidwifery] Study suggesting stop patting babies to sleep
I have passed the report articleonto Robyn Grille , a Sydney psychologist and board member of AAIMHi (Australian Association of infant mental health). I think we have a widespread belief that babies need to be "taught" to sleep - hence sleep school - there really is a lot of fear that if parents dont do SOMETHING, their babies will never sleep, I also wonder if with so much pressure, many women think there will be a magic answer to what could be adjustment difficulties - not necessarily baby problems ie if they 'fix' the baby, my life will be happy/ predictable / sorted. Really, its ar###se about: if the mother feels nurtured, usually the baby settles nicely. Of course sleep schools are great revenue for hospitals too. Mind you, there are a couple at least that are gentle - Rosebud and South Eastern Private. Any others that dont do controlled crying? Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Ken WArd To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:38 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Study suggesting " stop patting babies to sleep" I am getting very concerned about all the babies going to 'sleep school'. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Friday, 11 March 2005 5:28 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Study suggesting " stop patting babies to sleep" Hi Helen what do you think my response will be? Actually its utter frustration that once again,normative abuse is being promoted as the answer to parents prayers and fear is the 'big stick' - fear of abuse, divorce - why have babies at all - they obviously cause mayhem in your life. For SIX WEEK OLDbabies: The parents were told to leave a settling baby for at least five minutes before responding to crying, and to "extend the waiting time a further five minutes for each return visit to the child." I wonder how long they end up waiting - is there a time limit at all? what is this doing to tiny brains? Infant mental health? Longer term mental health. I am feeling really disheartened at present re the normalisation of leaving babies to cry - it feels that it is getting worse and worse at younger and younger ages. I am seeing so much messed up breastfeeding, mums with eroded confidence, and enormousanxiety about approaching sleep times for many mums who cant bear to leave their babies to cry - because the are being taught it is the ONLY option or they will end up with a little terrorist. The article mentions "sleep performance" . This about says it all. As though babies are little objects, not little peoplewho learn to love by being responded to. Whatever happened to "teaching" a mum that she will know her own babies cries and she should respond whenever she feels her baby needs her, or whenever SHE needs her baby- not be guided by an inanimate object like a clock on a wall. I would love to know where is the evidence for how long it is "safe" to leave a baby to cry - on what basis are the 'crying times' decided - ie five minutes, ten minutes , increasing increments thereof? It seems there are many variations depending on which article orbook you read. I also wonder -in this study, HOW do they KNOW that newborns cry because they are tired, not just in pain?? I reckon, cuddles and rocking are instinctive for mums and necessary for both mum andnewborn. Why bother having a baby if you mustn't give it cuddles? Pinky - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Study suggesting " stop patting babies to sleep" http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12503279-26618,00.html Looking forward to Pinky's response to this one. Helen Cahill
Re: [ozmidwifery] Study suggesting stop patting babies to sleep
Hi Helen what do you think my response will be? Actually its utter frustration that once again,normative abuse is being promoted as the answer to parents prayers and fear is the 'big stick' - fear of abuse, divorce - why have babies at all - they obviously cause mayhem in your life. For SIX WEEK OLDbabies: The parents were told to leave a settling baby for at least five minutes before responding to crying, and to "extend the waiting time a further five minutes for each return visit to the child." I wonder how long they end up waiting - is there a time limit at all? what is this doing to tiny brains? Infant mental health? Longer term mental health. I am feeling really disheartened at present re the normalisation of leaving babies to cry - it feels that it is getting worse and worse at younger and younger ages. I am seeing so much messed up breastfeeding, mums with eroded confidence, and enormousanxiety about approaching sleep times for many mums who cant bear to leave their babies to cry - because the are being taught it is the ONLY option or they will end up with a little terrorist. The article mentions "sleep performance" . This about says it all. As though babies are little objects, not little peoplewho learn to love by being responded to. Whatever happened to "teaching" a mum that she will know her own babies cries and she should respond whenever she feels her baby needs her, or whenever SHE needs her baby- not be guided by an inanimate object like a clock on a wall. I would love to know where is the evidence for how long it is "safe" to leave a baby to cry - on what basis are the 'crying times' decided - ie five minutes, ten minutes , increasing increments thereof? It seems there are many variations depending on which article orbook you read. I also wonder -in this study, HOW do they KNOW that newborns cry because they are tired, not just in pain?? I reckon, cuddles and rocking are instinctive for mums and necessary for both mum andnewborn. Why bother having a baby if you mustn't give it cuddles? Pinky - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: ozmidwifery Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Study suggesting " stop patting babies to sleep" http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12503279-26618,00.html Looking forward to Pinky's response to this one. Helen Cahill
Re: [ozmidwifery] returning to list
Hello Kerreen, Re professional dominance of mothering - I absolutely agree - this isnt just about the baby, although that is bad enough, but when mothers surrender their power to professional domination, they are set back in so many ways - for the longer term- so that what should be an empowering and delightful experience is thwart with angst, fear and dissatisfaction. I am going to respond to this article. Pinky - Original Message - From: Kerreen Reiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] returning to list Hi all I am finally returning to the list after a long absence due to work commitments. Already I am glad to be back, eg in light of this discussion about babies' settling/crying. For those who don't already know me, I am a founder of Maternity Coalition and a social scientist/historian who's worked on maternity care issues for many years. I'm now studying working relationships in maternity care settings and a paper at ICM will be the first out on this research. Some details of my last book are below for those interested, including discount sales. I have both a longstanding professional and strong personal interest in relationships between professionals and mothers. What bothers me about return of emphasis on regimentation of babies is not only the neglect of bubs' variability but further professional dominance of mothering. We have two new babies in our family (my first g'children!) and within a few weeks I saw the impact of lousy professional advice on b'feeding and management, but also some excellent support that encouraged my daughter-in -law to feel that she was the 'expert' on her baby! How we ensure this across midwifery and maternal, child nursing remains the challenge it seems. Who is actually contesting this article in the MJA or the press? Thanks for drawing our attention to it. cheers Kerreen About Our Bodies Our Babies: the forgotten women's movement: In Our Bodies, Our Babies: the forgotten women's movement, Kerreen Reiger traces the struggle of Australian women and others to change approaches to childbirth, to claim their right to choices in childbirth, and to educate themselves about birth and breastfeeding. She explores a social movement which has radically changed our maternity care practices, allowing fathers to participate in the birth of their children and babies to 'room-in' with their mothers. It laid the foundation for new models of care such as birth centres. The book draws on interviews with mothers, midwives and doctors, and on archival material from women's organisations such as the Nursing Mothers' Association of Australia (NMAA) and the Childbirth Education Association. It discusses the relevance of the childbirth and the breastfeeding movements to feminism and women's rights, arguing that the needs of mothers as citizens need to be taken more seriously. Our Bodies, Our Babies is essential reading for all health professionals involved in maternity care Discounted copies now available at $15 (originally $38.95) plus postage: please contact me for an order form. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Thanks, Nicole. Pinky - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Pinky , I may be able to answer some of your questions. I have studied immunisation, and was an immunisation provider for about ten years. I have become concerned about the willingness of our government to introduce new vaccinations to the schedule, particularly since the introduction of the second MMR prior to the commencement of primary school. This Hep B vaccination at birth seems over the top, and I personally wonder at the relationship between governments and commercial vaccination manufacturers. I may be paranoid. My children are vaccinated. However, I have grown to respect people who make a carefully considered decision not to do so. I think if I had my time over again, I would still vaccinate, but there would be some vaccines that I would refuse eg Sabin. I don't believe parents are asked about previous vaccine reactions in other family members. The health department advice on this one is I believe that other family members are not at any greater risk. The idea of putting a foreign substance into a new baby is also quite a concern to me. I have had someone tell me the birth dose of Hep B is important, because the Mast cells are permanently altered by giving it, so immunity is forever. I was floored by this, and wondered whether I was wrong. But later I thought, why Hep B then, why not measles or some other vaccine? I have found from experience that these nurses usually just repeat the party line. Some can be a bit aggressive when questioned! (Of course I never was!) But it would be a very difficult job to do if you had any doubts in your mind. Vaccines are given to well babies, and premmies, I think just before discharge. I think it is often up to the judgement of the midwife or nurse looking after the baby. The vaccination clinic is mainly for babies or infants with allergic type reactions, or known allergies to egg in the case of MMR. Localised reactions are seen as normal, unless severe. I have only seen two serious reactions in my time, which is now reaching twenty years. Best wishes, Nicole. - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Nicole and lisa, Are any questions asked re family history of allergies/ vaccine reactions before giving the shots? My own first baby (now 30)had a similar reaction to his first triple antigen (the first vaccine in those days), my mother had a collapse after a tetanus shot requiring an ambulance and adrenalin and my second child as a teenager who had cut his hand on a rusty piece of iron was taken by his bossfor a tetanus shot - the following dayhecollapsed/ stopped breathing and ended up in hospital being resuscitated -this was recorded as a vaccine reaction. My younger children are unvaccinated depite much pressure/ school formsand even a huge dressing down from a GP who called me negligent and ignorant. At a talk last year (at a midwifery conference in SA) by a govt person on the 'logic' of vaccinating, her reasoning was as you mentioned that some babies of carriers - in the US!! she said- had slipped through and not been vaccinated at birth. Apparently "some of these women sued!!" I find this very flimsy and fearfulreasoning to give vaccinations to a pure little newborn - surely this is occasion for parents to take personal responsibility - you would know if you were a carrier and so would your carers as it would be on your records. Why should womenwho aren't carriers be pressured to expose their babies to unnecessary risks? Especially since babies are not going to be engaging in risky behaviour! As I researched after my own children's reactions I became very cynical that much of this pressure is driven by $$$ -ifas you say, if the 2 month vaccination will fully cover a baby (if it is the parent's choice to vaccinate) surely the shot at birth for all babies is overkill? Sounds like that could have been literally, Nicole- it must have been a terrible shock for you and the parents. I really feel for you about being anxious to inject more babies - how do you deal with this in your workplace? So Im wondering - are parents asked about family history of allergies/ reactions to vaccines? Are vaccines given to well babies? when are they given to premmies? Babies who have had any health problems/ respiratorydifficulti
Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction
Hi Nicole and lisa, Are any questions asked re family history of allergies/ vaccine reactions before giving the shots? My own first baby (now 30)had a similar reaction to his first triple antigen (the first vaccine in those days), my mother had a collapse after a tetanus shot requiring an ambulance and adrenalin and my second child as a teenager who had cut his hand on a rusty piece of iron was taken by his bossfor a tetanus shot - the following dayhecollapsed/ stopped breathing and ended up in hospital being resuscitated -this was recorded as a vaccine reaction. My younger children are unvaccinated depite much pressure/ school formsand even a huge dressing down from a GP who called me negligent and ignorant. At a talk last year (at a midwifery conference in SA) by a govt person on the 'logic' of vaccinating, her reasoning was as you mentioned that some babies of carriers - in the US!! she said- had slipped through and not been vaccinated at birth. Apparently "some of these women sued!!" I find this very flimsy and fearfulreasoning to give vaccinations to a pure little newborn - surely this is occasion for parents to take personal responsibility - you would know if you were a carrier and so would your carers as it would be on your records. Why should womenwho aren't carriers be pressured to expose their babies to unnecessary risks? Especially since babies are not going to be engaging in risky behaviour! As I researched after my own children's reactions I became very cynical that much of this pressure is driven by $$$ -ifas you say, if the 2 month vaccination will fully cover a baby (if it is the parent's choice to vaccinate) surely the shot at birth for all babies is overkill? Sounds like that could have been literally, Nicole- it must have been a terrible shock for you and the parents. I really feel for you about being anxious to inject more babies - how do you deal with this in your workplace? So Im wondering - are parents asked about family history of allergies/ reactions to vaccines? Are vaccines given to well babies? when are they given to premmies? Babies who have had any health problems/ respiratorydifficultiesat birth? Or difficult births? What is defined as a reaction severe enough / concerning enough to be referred to the Children's special clinic? Many babies have red limbs, irritability, fever - is this enough to be cautious about subsequent vaccines? Pinky - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Thats really interesting Nicole, thankyou! Coming from the uk, I know my case,,and can state it..but being here I have found a high uptake off vaccinations amongst babies and children..and have already had to sign all sorts to get my children into school. I do believe in parents making informed decisions..but often found the info available is biased..(in both directions!) As a midwife...if your beliefs were suchcould you refuse to vaccinate babies? And to clarify for me... if a mother is not carrying hep B...how would a baby contact it?Through a blood transfusion? Do you have to report reactions like that? Hope you dont mind me asking,.. lisax - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction Hi Lisa, Welcome to Australia! Hepatitis B vaccine has been given routinely at birth now for maybe five years. One of the most common causes of Hepatitis B is contracting it from your mother at birth, if she is a carrier.I believe the practice of Hep B vaccination at birth came aboutbecause there were cases of babies of known Hep B carriers who did not receive immunoglobulin and vaccination at birth, also because the conversion to Hep B carrier status is very high if you contract the disease in infancy. When universal hep B administration came in, most midwives were not happy, but it was still introduced. The doctors order it andthe parents are given an information sheet to read, which I believe does not give the whole picture (including that if the birth dose is not given, the baby still gets a full course by having Hep B vax at 2,4, and 12 months of age). Parents sign a consent form, and then the vaccine is given if they wish to proceed. I like to give the parents the risk factors for contracting Hep B, and the information about the normal immunisation schedule, and let them decide. All the women have their Hep B and Cstatus checked antenatally, and are likely to know if they are a carrier. Many ask what the majority of parents do and are guided by that. Mo
Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Healthy children, families, communities
Hi Barb - you will be proud of me- I have called John and am being sent teh apllication pack for LC exam and have booked into Maureens course which starts next week -I am on the roller coaster sothere is no turning back or slacking off now! Pinky - Original Message - From: Barb Glare To: Barbara Glare Chris Bright Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding: Healthy children, families, communities Breastfeeding. Healthy children, families and communities In 2005, the Australian Breastfeeding Association will hold seminars featuring world class speakers on breastfeeding and parenting To Register Go to http://www.lrc.asn.au/seminars/index.php Date Wednesday 16 March 2005 Adelaide (4.5 L CERPs, 1 R CERPs) Thursday 17 March 2005 Sydney (4.5 L CERPs, 1 R CERPs) Thursday 17 March 2005 Canberra (1.75 CERPs, 1.5 R CERPs) Friday 18 March 2005 Melbourne (5.24 L CERPs, 0.25 R CERPs) Saturday 19 March 2005 Brisbane (4.5 L CERPs, 1 R CERPs) Time 9am to 4pm Canberra 5.30pm 9.30pm Program (For full programs go to www.lrc.asn.au ) Dr Wendy Brodribb Breast disease - what is the impact on breastfeeding? Athena Sheehan Exploring infant feeding decisions in the first 6 weeks post birth Professor Karen Simmer Controversies surrounding the protective effects of breastfeeding on obesity allergy Rodney Whyte Drugs and breastfeeding Dr Jeanine Young Sleeping practices and the risk of sudden infant death syndrome: dispelling the myths Dr Martein Snellen Sex and intimacy after childbirth Denise Fisher (Canberra only) Falling in love the chemistry of the first breastfeed Dr Karleen Gribble (Melbourne Only) Adoptive Breastfeeding and Relactation Lil Deverell ( Melbourne only) Learning to Breastfeed Cost $140 or $130 for ABA/LRC subscribers Registration Register online at http://www.lrc.asn.au/seminars/index.php
Re: [ozmidwifery] More sleep therapy propaganda........
Good sleep 'nutrition' - well there's a 'spin' that invokes pressure and guilt - what responsible mommywants to deprive her child of adequate "nutrition"? Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: ozmidwifery Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] More sleep therapy propaganda Section Front E-mail This Story Printable VersionHelp For Sleepless ParentsLOS ANGELES, Feb. 17, 2005 Getting Baby To Bed Sham and Dean Ansari tried everything to get 5-month-old Jaden to sleep. (Photo: CBS)"I'm not as able to let him cry as my husband, so when I put him in the crib and he starts whimpering a little bit, I immediately pick him up and start again."Sham Ansari Sleep training specialists Jennifer Waldburger, left, and Jill Spivack. (Photo: CBS) 6 Steps To Getting A Baby To Sleep 1. Determine when your baby is tired and set the bed time for 30 minutes before you think they are really tired. 2. Establish a routine: bath, bottle, book.3. Lay the baby down and say good night - rub its back.4.Go in after 5 to ten minutes of crying. Do not touch the baby, but go in and reassure the baby with your voice: "You can do it. Good night. We love you."5. Let the baby cry again for 7 to 12 minutes. Again, go in to reassure the child with your voice, but no touching.6. Let the baby cry for approximately 10 to 18 minutes, and this will be the last time you go in. Still no touching. Same reassuring phrases, but this is the last time. You must never pick up or even rub the baby's back. Just talking is allowed. The process is repeated again in the middle of the night. But, instead of letting the baby wake up on its own, you must wake the baby up and feed it. Once again, determine when your baby normally wakes up in the middle of the night and advance the process by waking the baby up on your own. Give the baby a bottle and then repeat the last three steps. childsleep.com (CBS)Sham and Dean Ansari are pediatric specialists. She delivers babies and he operates on them. But they still couldn't get their own five-month-old son Jaden to sleep. As CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes reports, it takes them an average of three hours to get him to sleep. Just when they thought he was out, it started all over again. So they called in emergency help. Enter Los Angeles sleep specialists Jill Spivack and Jennifer Waldburger. "I'm not as able to let him cry as my husband, so when I put him in the crib and he starts whimpering a little bit, I immediately pick him up and start again," says Sham Ansari. "That is very typical," says Spivack. Sleep training may sound silly but it's big, big business fueled by exhausted parents lining up to spend $500 for the program. "Parents have said, 'I would pay a million dollars if I could just have a decent night's sleep,'" says Waldburger. That's just where the Ansari's have found themselves. "We were so exhausted we are barely able to function ourselves, we have nothing left at the end of the day," says Sham. It was a wacky routine that included jazz lullabies, r
