Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Hi Raelene, Is Simone Elston still working there? If so say Hi for me. Megan. - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi All, Thanks to everyone who responded to my request about special cots to enable mother's to co-sleep in hospital. I have investigated the web sites you suggested, but couldn't find exactly what I wanted. However, I have contacted a manufacturer, who may be able to help. I now have another request.Our maternity unit in Kalgoorlie is in desperate need (who isn't!) of some senior midwives. Keep an eye out for our Secret Midwives Business pamphlet in the next catalogue of Birth International and give me a call if you are interested...It's a great place to work. Cheers Raelene George FACM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Hi All, Thanks to everyone who responded to my request about special cots to enable mother's to co-sleep in hospital. I have investigated the web sites you suggested, but couldn't find exactly what I wanted. However, I have contacted a manufacturer, who may be able to help. I now have another request.Our maternity unit in Kalgoorlie is in desperate need (who isn't!) of some senior midwives. Keep an eye out for our Secret Midwives Business pamphlet in the next catalogue of Birth International and give me a call if you are interested...It's a great place to work. Cheers Raelene George FACM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
what a lovely memory well worth the squashed hips Pinky - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Well, I co-slept with the kids (4,6,8) last night on the trampoline with the labrador snuffling underneath whilst we watching the stars come out and the comet on the south skyline as well. They are ratty today, my hips ache like anything, but the 8 yr old is SO happy - that's what memories are made of isn't it?? Cheryl _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Oh I agree totally, it seems so hard, so often back here in the East. Cath - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping There's no doubt that co-sleeping is the norm for indigenous women. In my experience the baby is either in bed with the mother, or on the breast. Often the aboriginal women would be puzzled as to why the other (ie white) babies were crying. It was a bit of an adjustment coming back to work in a mostly caucasian setting where distressed mothers and crying babies seem to be the norm (especially at night). As far as instinctive mothering goes, I think we can learn alot from the indigenous women. Cheers Michelle - Original Message From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 24 January, 2007 6:36:19 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
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Belinda, Are you able to elaborate on how you were shown to sleep. We often encourage cosleeping but I have never heard of a particular method of laying. Megan (cosleeper with 3 kids and one very squished husband) - Original Message - From: Belinda Pound [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Just general thoughts...not directed personally at you Raelene... A Few years ago when I had my daughter at mater mothers in Brisbane, some of the midwives that cared for us actually encouraged my daughter sleep beside me. We were having breastfeeding challenges (to say the least) and were encouraged that the skin to skin/smell close contact etc would be of benefit with supply/attachment/bonding etc. We co slept on a double bed; and I was shown how to place my arm so that if I did try to roll over...I couldn't thus not rolling onto my baby. I have since had my second child and we often co sleep. I hate the thought of him being over there in his crib by himself..I want him to hear my breathing/heartbeat and have my body warmth. It disturbs me how after carrying your baby for nine month in utero that establishments find it necessary to separate mother and baby and formulate policies in view of ??litigation should a baby be smothered by the mother whilst co sleeping. Just for interest sake, does anyone know if 'mothers instinct' plays a part in her not rolling on/smothering her babe when co sleeping? Cheers Belinda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 12:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Co-slept with both my girls, but when I was pregnant with no2 I thought it would be a good idea to try my then 4 year old in her own bed, as I couldnt imagine where we would all fit if there were '4 in the bed'. 3 nights of total trauma but the thing that really convinced me was the 4 year old saying But you dad sleep together Im only a kid how come Im the only one who has to sleep alone? Really couldnt argue with the social justice aspects of that logic! Ended up with a queen bed flanked by 2 singles - a true 4 person bed - I was so thankful I had built the room big enough to accomodate, but sadly many houses just dont have the bedroom space to allow this kind of thing. They are now nearly 10 14 years old, there is no dad in the bed anymore, now they take it in turns to sleep with me ( still argue about who's turn it is). As in birth, there seems to be a lot of fear around co-sleeping, from smothering the baby to losing sleep /or privacy. The whole thinking around 'spoiling the baby' is not logic-based, it seems to me to be based on the fact that we as a culture want our children to 'grow up' as quickly as possible, so lets start teaching them independence from day 1. Load of bollocks I reckon! Lets hope those wonderful Vietnamese women dont start adopting the habits of western culture thinking that it will all be better if they do. cheers Jennifairy Having worked in Vietnam for 8 months - I asked some of the women how long before the baby sleeps in his own bed in Vietnam? They said, usually by 5 years when they go to school but often not until about 8!! Western culture is warped on this subject. Hey I realise co-sleeping has its downsides too but it's a matter of meeting everyone's needs the best way you can. Helen Mother of a 9 year old who still sleeps in our room in a bed next to ours. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi all, We have a co-sleeping policy where I work so women who haven't got lots of pain relief on board are encouraged to cuddle up with their babies. I have long thought that we get a glimse of the race memory of co-sleeping when we have a cat or dog on the bed and we often dont move or feel the strong urge not to disturb them if that makes sence. I explain to new mums that humans would have died out as a species if they couldn't safely sleep with their babies. My boys are big now (15, 16, 21) but I remember the sublime pleasure of holding them as babies and falling asleep together. Cheers, Julie -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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If it wasn't for Pinky I wouldn't have co-slept with my two! I was very much a mainstream girl, expecting the system to look after me and tell me what to do. I met Pinky at a hospital pre-natal class 5 years ago, so it planted the seed about instinctive parenting there. After my daughter was born, I had a rough time from everyone around me who thought they knew about where a baby should be sleeping and for how long etc., and I felt guilty telling even my mothers group that I was co-sleeping. They all seemed to have it together, baking cakes, having showers, hosting dinners etc with sleeping babies. Yet I seemed the only person who had a daughter who was inconsolable unless she was attached to me 24x7 and sleep was a rare event. One midwife had even said to me in the hospital, 'I hope you won't be doing that when you get home.' Two weeks in sleep school (which was designed to be three days) that didn't 'work' so we had to leave anyway, a baby that lost weight and threw up solid foods every time as a result (even rice cereal) and me PND. So speaking to Pinky on my return, I was able to surrender and ignore all that rubbish and get on with it, which isn't as easy as it sounds for someone who felt clueless about parenting and no family support. She was a lifesaver. Both of my children have been breastfed past two also, it's a chain of events that happens with this sort of support - of course with a bub losing weight, what do you think they all told me I needed to do? :) So I strongly recommend my clients (and those on my site) read 'Sleeping Like a Baby', because it is appealing to a wide, commercial audience and I think that's the key. They all love it, and they love having certain books suggested to them to read, because there are so many out there. I have a recommended reading list I provide. But of course, many don't read these books until they really need it ;) I wish for the day where you go to the GP or wherever and get handed brochures on both homebirth and hospital birth, co-sleeping and cot sleeping etc. That would be just great. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:36 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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aww thanks Kelly Sleeping Like a Baby should be in all good bookshops - published by Penguin -or at my website(I have paypal so its very convenient). If anyone would like a laminated poster or two ( a cover shot), or some fliers for mums, please contact me offlist. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping If it wasn't for Pinky I wouldn't have co-slept with my two! I was very much a mainstream girl, expecting the system to look after me and tell me what to do. I met Pinky at a hospital pre-natal class 5 years ago, so it planted the seed about instinctive parenting there. After my daughter was born, I had a rough time from everyone around me who thought they knew about where a baby should be sleeping and for how long etc., and I felt guilty telling even my mothers group that I was co-sleeping. They all seemed to have it together, baking cakes, having showers, hosting dinners etc with sleeping babies. Yet I seemed the only person who had a daughter who was inconsolable unless she was attached to me 24x7 and sleep was a rare event. One midwife had even said to me in the hospital, 'I hope you won't be doing that when you get home.' Two weeks in sleep school (which was designed to be three days) that didn't 'work' so we had to leave anyway, a baby that lost weight and threw up solid foods every time as a result (even rice cereal) and me PND. So speaking to Pinky on my return, I was able to surrender and ignore all that rubbish and get on with it, which isn't as easy as it sounds for someone who felt clueless about parenting and no family support. She was a lifesaver. Both of my children have been breastfed past two also, it's a chain of events that happens with this sort of support - of course with a bub losing weight, what do you think they all told me I needed to do? :) So I strongly recommend my clients (and those on my site) read 'Sleeping Like a Baby', because it is appealing to a wide, commercial audience and I think that's the key. They all love it, and they love having certain books suggested to them to read, because there are so many out there. I have a recommended reading list I provide. But of course, many don't read these books until they really need it ;) I wish for the day where you go to the GP or wherever and get handed brochures on both homebirth and hospital birth, co-sleeping and cot sleeping etc. That would be just great. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:36 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored
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Ladies, I am currently co-sleeping with my 9 week old, we have been co-sleeping since the second night after we got home from hospital. She sleeps in her cot for a couple of hours before I get to bed, and then wakes for a feed and a night time snuggled up to mum. 16 years ago I did the same with my first daughter, then it was a matter of necessity as like Kelly, she was not content unless attached 24/7 and never quite got the idea of sleeping while not having company. This time around, I was planning to have a child who slept entirely on their own, and nearly got my wish, but not the way I had hoped, as my daughter was born with apgars of [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] so she spent the first 3 nights and days of her life in Special care, seperated from me entirly, so when we got home, we started to finally bond, and when after almost no sleep the night we got home, I bit the bullet and took her into bed with me the second night, I figured, if we were going to bond properly, we needed contact. I confessed to the MCHN, who responded with, that's great and now even though my husband is a little weary of the little body in the bed, and my GP who is quite a reasonable sort has warned me of the dangers, as if i didn't already know, Morgan and I are very happy. As for the safety aspect, I have a muslin wrap which lay under both me and Morgan, and then bring back over her like a sling which gives me a feeling of security , though to be honest she moves more while sleeping in her cot in her search for the soft comfort of mum's breast. I know it is not something that everyone can get their heads around, and we are taught in society that it is not done, and dangerous, but I am looking forward to the next few years until Morgan wants to sleep in her own bed, just like her big sister did eventually. Melanie - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping If it wasn't for Pinky I wouldn't have co-slept with my two! I was very much a mainstream girl, expecting the system to look after me and tell me what to do. I met Pinky at a hospital pre-natal class 5 years ago, so it planted the seed about instinctive parenting there. After my daughter was born, I had a rough time from everyone around me who thought they knew about where a baby should be sleeping and for how long etc., and I felt guilty telling even my mothers group that I was co-sleeping. They all seemed to have it together, baking cakes, having showers, hosting dinners etc with sleeping babies. Yet I seemed the only person who had a daughter who was inconsolable unless she was attached to me 24x7 and sleep was a rare event. One midwife had even said to me in the hospital, 'I hope you won't be doing that when you get home.' Two weeks in sleep school (which was designed to be three days) that didn't 'work' so we had to leave anyway, a baby that lost weight and threw up solid foods every time as a result (even rice cereal) and me PND. So speaking to Pinky on my return, I was able to surrender and ignore all that rubbish and get on with it, which isn't as easy as it sounds for someone who felt clueless about parenting and no family support. She was a lifesaver. Both of my children have been breastfed past two also, it's a chain of events that happens with this sort of support - of course with a bub losing weight, what do you think they all told me I needed to do? :) So I strongly recommend my clients (and those on my site) read 'Sleeping Like a Baby', because it is appealing to a wide, commercial audience and I think that's the key. They all love it, and they love having certain books suggested to them to read, because there are so many out there. I have a recommended reading list I provide. But of course, many don't read these books until they really need it ;) I wish for the day where you go to the GP or wherever and get handed brochures on both homebirth and hospital birth, co-sleeping and cot sleeping etc. That would be just great. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:36 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co
RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Well, I co-slept with the kids (4,6,8) last night on the trampoline with the labrador snuffling underneath whilst we watching the stars come out and the comet on the south skyline as well. They are ratty today, my hips ache like anything, but the 8 yr old is SO happy - that's what memories are made of isn't it?? Cheryl _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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There's no doubt that co-sleeping is the norm for indigenous women. In my experience the baby is either in bed with the mother, or on the breast. Often the aboriginal women would be puzzled as to why the other (ie white) babies were crying. It was a bit of an adjustment coming back to work in a mostly caucasian setting where distressed mothers and crying babies seem to be the norm (especially at night). As far as instinctive mothering goes, I think we can learn alot from the indigenous women. Cheers Michelle - Original Message From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 24 January, 2007 6:36:19 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
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Totally agree Michelle. I am still adjusting. Up there they teach you more about BF than you could ever learn in a textbook! Helen - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping There's no doubt that co-sleeping is the norm for indigenous women. In my experience the baby is either in bed with the mother, or on the breast. Often the aboriginal women would be puzzled as to why the other (ie white) babies were crying. It was a bit of an adjustment coming back to work in a mostly caucasian setting where distressed mothers and crying babies seem to be the norm (especially at night). As far as instinctive mothering goes, I think we can learn alot from the indigenous women. Cheers Michelle - Original Message From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 24 January, 2007 6:36:19 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping This story reminds me of my time working in Gove in the Northern Territory. The aboriginal women on the ward would co-sleep from day 1 and also leave their babies in their beds when they went outside to escape the airconditioning. You had to be VERY CAREFUL before you went ripping the sheets off the bed to make it. I was always afraid a baby would end up in the linen skip one day Helen - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, We have a policy that allows co-sleeping.We had more concerns about babies falling out of bed(did actually happen) rather than them being smothered by mums so our policy just makes sure the bed rail is up on which ever side of mum the baby is sleeping with a pillow against the bed rail so bub doesnt slip through.We regularly have bubs in bed with mums .Works well for both mums and bubs. All the best with getting a working policy Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/01/2007 1:54 pm Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 2000 (20070123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
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Hi Raelene My husband and I Co-slept and continue to do so with our two children. Infact when they are not sleeping with us they are sleeping together in one of their beds (super cute). My husband and I never worried about smothering them and I found it somewhat troubling that hospital staff would freakout when you feel asleep with baby on the breast. So good on you for looking into this so women and their babies have an option other than getting no sleep alone or getting sleep together. For the record I am sure that I would have struggled more (and she was difficult) in 18 months of my daughters life if I did not co sleep with her. Babies are smart and they instictively know when they are close to mum. Also with all of this 'secure attachment' theories that some governement maternal health centres are preaching you would think that co-sleeping would be encouraged and not scare tactics on increasing SIDS. Co-sleeping also makes everyone else happy as they are not listening to a grumpy, sleep depraived mother and her snitchy, overtired (and lonely) baby. Amy Rigano - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I am also in favour for at least putting the case to new parents for co-sleeping... I hear so often in my classes - in the coffee breaks - that the new mums are terrified of setting up bad habits and have heard so-and-so had made that mistake and was having a nihgtmare now. I had one extreme case of an older mum so concerned about 'spoiling' the baby that she only picked her up for feeding times and wouldn't let the husband hold her too often!! I think it's a case for explaining to new parents - whats the worst that could happen: maybe the toddler gets used to parents bed for 'too' ong - but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding and having a more secure and contented baby - as they say a secure infant is a confident child. My 3rd was cosleeping by default as my 3yr old and 18mth old were challenging enough and contemplating forcing a crying baby into a cot every night was too much to deal with! - Maybe not surprisingly she was the one who was happy to be in her own cot space by about 6 months and never had bed time issues. Isn't there a study that gives infants who sleep in the same bed / room as their parents much less of a risk of SIDS? (sorry can;t remember the ref. -) is is somethnig to do with the immaturity of their respiritory system being 'reminded' by the parents rhythm and even the higher CO2 concentration close to the baby initiates a breathing reflex. Steph- perth - Original Message - From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping I found this one too... http://www.babybunk.com/whatis.htm Di - Original Message - From: Kristi Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, Here are just a few websites I found re: co-sleeping cots...hope this helps! http://www.babydelight.com/snuggle_nest.html - The Snuggle Nest http://armsreach.com/ - Bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed for baby http://www.thefirstyears.com - On this page, go down to the 'Safe Secure Sleeper' to see another version of the Snuggle Nest http://www.babybunk.com/ More bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed All the best, Kristi Midwifery student, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: January 21, 2007 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1995 (20070121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Having worked in Vietnam for 8 months - I asked some of the women how long before the baby sleeps in his own bed in Vietnam? They said, usually by 5 years when they go to school but often not until about 8!! Western culture is warped on this subject. Hey I realise co-sleeping has its downsides too but it's a matter of meeting everyone's needs the best way you can. Helen Mother of a 9 year old who still sleeps in our room in a bed next to ours. - Original Message - From: James Fairbairn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping I am also in favour for at least putting the case to new parents for co-sleeping... I hear so often in my classes - in the coffee breaks - that the new mums are terrified of setting up bad habits and have heard so-and-so had made that mistake and was having a nihgtmare now. I had one extreme case of an older mum so concerned about 'spoiling' the baby that she only picked her up for feeding times and wouldn't let the husband hold her too often!! I think it's a case for explaining to new parents - whats the worst that could happen: maybe the toddler gets used to parents bed for 'too' ong - but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding and having a more secure and contented baby - as they say a secure infant is a confident child. My 3rd was cosleeping by default as my 3yr old and 18mth old were challenging enough and contemplating forcing a crying baby into a cot every night was too much to deal with! - Maybe not surprisingly she was the one who was happy to be in her own cot space by about 6 months and never had bed time issues. Isn't there a study that gives infants who sleep in the same bed / room as their parents much less of a risk of SIDS? (sorry can;t remember the ref. -) is is somethnig to do with the immaturity of their respiritory system being 'reminded' by the parents rhythm and even the higher CO2 concentration close to the baby initiates a breathing reflex. Steph- perth - Original Message - From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping I found this one too... http://www.babybunk.com/whatis.htm Di - Original Message - From: Kristi Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, Here are just a few websites I found re: co-sleeping cots...hope this helps! http://www.babydelight.com/snuggle_nest.html - The Snuggle Nest http://armsreach.com/ - Bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed for baby http://www.thefirstyears.com - On this page, go down to the 'Safe Secure Sleeper' to see another version of the Snuggle Nest http://www.babybunk.com/ More bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed All the best, Kristi Midwifery student, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: January 21, 2007 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1995 (20070121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1995 (20070121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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There is heaps of info out there in cyberspace on co-sleeping. To add to your list - look up any information by Dr James McKenna. He is from US or Canada and spoke at an ABA conference in Hobart in 2005. He was fantastic! I grew up in Asia (parents worked there from when I was a baby) and the only model of sleeping that I was aware of was co-sleeping. When a baby/child moves out of the parental bed, it's into a bed with siblings, aunties, grandmothers etc. Sleep in never solitary. Maternity units assume co-sleeping and breastfeeding. BTW, we co-slept all three children and very tactile 5 year old still visits in the wee hours for her snuggle time. Also, I was speaking to a girlfriend in UK in Dec, who just had her first baby - breech LSCS. From when she returned from theatres, she had a co-sleeping cot attached to her bed. She was told that all LSCS mums had one attached. This normalised co-sleeping for her and she has kept doing it at home. Good luck with finding the information you are after. Cath Palmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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We use these in England they are called clip on cots. not sure where to get them from but can try to find out for you. We have them on all beds to promote breastfeeding. Shelly - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:54 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 20/01/2007 10:24 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Maybe I am alone in this but having coslept with our first and used a cot for #2 I found the opposite to be true - I get so much better quality sleep without the baby in bed with me that it is definitely worthwhile getting up even three times a night to feed her and then put her back in the cot. She is wonderfully secure and content and I really feel we have brought out the best in her sleep tendencies rather than the worst as we did with #1. Sleeping well is a life skill and to be honest I don't feel that we did #1 any favourss. I am not suggesting that cosleeping be discrouraged, we would absolutely have done it again if the bassinets/cot plan hadn't worked. But I guess I just don't think that cosleeping is necessarily a miracle cure either. I think the best solution is assuring parents that cosleeping can be done safely, that they can't spoil a baby and that they should do what works for them whatever that is. On 22/01/2007, at 8:53 PM, James Fairbairn wrote: but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding and having a more secure and contented baby
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Know where you are coming from Jo. LOL We started co-sleping with #3, shift in ideas and necessity as he was a shocking sleeper. Even with being in bed with me he needed to be rocked for long periods through the night. Finally after 2 years we had our first full night sleep. We are still sleeping with #4 and at 2 1/2yrs we are trying to achieve something close to a full nights sleep. Both were and little one still is demand fed, which included many feeds during the night. I wouldn't change it, I have no doubt that with #3 in particular, that he was just not into sleeping and a cot set up would have never worked. The best part was waking up to his beautiful pudgy face in the morning, seeing your child wake is a truly priceless experience. For us, our 2 that slept in a cot were the best sleepers. After 5 years of very poor sleep I am exhausted and for us co-sleeping hasn't been quite as dreamy as it is often spelt out. Possibly just unlucky in having 2 non-sleepers, in which case laying in bed settling is much easier than standing next to a cot for hours. But, what I wouldn't give for a good nights sleep. Looking after 4 boys under 8 requires enormous amount of energy and a sleep deprived Mum is not always so pretty... cheers Megan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 8:44 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Maybe I am alone in this but having coslept with our first and used a cot for #2 I found the opposite to be true - I get so much better quality sleep without the baby in bed with me that it is definitely worthwhile getting up even three times a night to feed her and then put her back in the cot. She is wonderfully secure and content and I really feel we have brought out the best in her sleep tendencies rather than the worst as we did with #1. Sleeping well is a life skill and to be honest I don't feel that we did #1 any favourss. I am not suggesting that cosleeping be discrouraged, we would absolutely have done it again if the bassinets/cot plan hadn't worked. But I guess I just don't think that cosleeping is necessarily a miracle cure either. I think the best solution is assuring parents that cosleeping can be done safely, that they can't spoil a baby and that they should do what works for them whatever that is. On 22/01/2007, at 8:53 PM, James Fairbairn wrote: but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding and having a more secure and contented baby
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Sounds like that would be a really handy product! In their absence, though, there's always the good old side-car cot (remove side from cot, tie the cot to the side of the adult bed so it doesn't slip away from the bed, place a sheet over both the adult bed and the cot so there's no gap or suffocation risk for baby) which can be set up with any cot. :) Felicity - Membership Officer and Site Admin Every woman, and every baby, and every family deserve Joyous Birth! http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Australian home birth network. Remember this, for it is as true as true gets: your body is not a lemon! - Ina May Gaskin - Original Message - From: michelle gascoigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping We use these in England they are called clip on cots. not sure where to get them from but can try to find out for you. We have them on all beds to promote breastfeeding. Shelly - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:54 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 20/01/2007 10:24 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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We did this and #3 still managed to find his way to the end of it and fall out of bed. I put a high backed chair in the way, so he fell out of the other side of the bed. The answer was to put the mattress on the floor, and there it stayed for a long time. My bedroom is never going to win any Better Homes and Gardens decoration award. Doesn't matter how pretty a quilt cover I buy, the Thomas the Tank one immediately next to it will always shine brighter. LoL Keeping a sense of humour helps, Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Felicity Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 9:15 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Sounds like that would be a really handy product! In their absence, though, there's always the good old side-car cot (remove side from cot, tie the cot to the side of the adult bed so it doesn't slip away from the bed, place a sheet over both the adult bed and the cot so there's no gap or suffocation risk for baby) which can be set up with any cot. :) Felicity - Membership Officer and Site Admin Every woman, and every baby, and every family deserve Joyous Birth! http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Australian home birth network. Remember this, for it is as true as true gets: your body is not a lemon! - Ina May Gaskin - Original Message - From: michelle gascoigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping We use these in England they are called clip on cots. not sure where to get them from but can try to find out for you. We have them on all beds to promote breastfeeding. Shelly - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:54 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 20/01/2007 10:24 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi All, I'm new to the list. Raelene you might like to look into the Arm's Reach Co-Sleeper. I don't think they are available in Australia, need to be ordered from the US. Here is a link to their site http://armsreach.com/ Cheers, Jennifer George, Raelene wrote: Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Raelene, Here are just a few websites I found re: co-sleeping cots...hope this helps! http://www.babydelight.com/snuggle_nest.html - The Snuggle Nest http://armsreach.com/ - Bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed for baby http://www.thefirstyears.com - On this page, go down to the 'Safe Secure Sleeper' to see another version of the Snuggle Nest http://www.babybunk.com/ More bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed All the best, Kristi Midwifery student, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: January 21, 2007 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping
Just general thoughts...not directed personally at you Raelene... A Few years ago when I had my daughter at mater mothers in Brisbane, some of the midwives that cared for us actually encouraged my daughter sleep beside me. We were having breastfeeding challenges (to say the least) and were encouraged that the skin to skin/smell close contact etc would be of benefit with supply/attachment/bonding etc. We co slept on a double bed; and I was shown how to place my arm so that if I did try to roll over...I couldn't thus not rolling onto my baby. I have since had my second child and we often co sleep. I hate the thought of him being over there in his crib by himself..I want him to hear my breathing/heartbeat and have my body warmth. It disturbs me how after carrying your baby for nine month in utero that establishments find it necessary to separate mother and baby and formulate policies in view of ??litigation should a baby be smothered by the mother whilst co sleeping. Just for interest sake, does anyone know if 'mothers instinct' plays a part in her not rolling on/smothering her babe when co sleeping? Cheers Belinda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 12:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Belinda =- James McKenna's video footage is pretty convincing that sober, undrugged mums( some hospital mums will be medicated and this could be an issue) are not a danger to their babies. I personally find it offensive that mothers could be considered less responsive than an inert cot mattress. UK baby friendly have a hospital policy on cosleepimg postnatally if thats helpful I also have cosleeping info in my book Sleeping Like a Baby. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Belinda Pound [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Just general thoughts...not directed personally at you Raelene... A Few years ago when I had my daughter at mater mothers in Brisbane, some of the midwives that cared for us actually encouraged my daughter sleep beside me. We were having breastfeeding challenges (to say the least) and were encouraged that the skin to skin/smell close contact etc would be of benefit with supply/attachment/bonding etc. We co slept on a double bed; and I was shown how to place my arm so that if I did try to roll over...I couldn't thus not rolling onto my baby. I have since had my second child and we often co sleep. I hate the thought of him being over there in his crib by himself..I want him to hear my breathing/heartbeat and have my body warmth. It disturbs me how after carrying your baby for nine month in utero that establishments find it necessary to separate mother and baby and formulate policies in view of ??litigation should a baby be smothered by the mother whilst co sleeping. Just for interest sake, does anyone know if 'mothers instinct' plays a part in her not rolling on/smothering her babe when co sleeping? Cheers Belinda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 12:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Good points -I can definately relate to what you're saying Belinda! I personally came to cosleeping relatively late in my mothering career but it developed very gently and instinctivley. I'd never thought of needing policy guidelines or special apparatus to do what best suited my babes and our family. When I consider this I feel a million miles away from my days working in the hospital sytem!! Having worked in 'the system' none the less I imagine cosleeping is still raises some fears... good on you Raelene for taking new ideas and research to your colleaugues. Maybe a policy will make cosleeping a more appealing option for women who would not consider it otherwise (but hopefully not a source of irritation to those who will be snuggling up to their babe in the same bed anyway the second they are home from hospital!!) Regards, Kristie From: Belinda Pound [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:48:51 +1000 Just general thoughts...not directed personally at you Raelene... A Few years ago when I had my daughter at mater mothers in Brisbane, some of the midwives that cared for us actually encouraged my daughter sleep beside me. We were having breastfeeding challenges (to say the least) and were encouraged that the skin to skin/smell close contact etc would be of benefit with supply/attachment/bonding etc. We co slept on a double bed; and I was shown how to place my arm so that if I did try to roll over...I couldn't thus not rolling onto my baby. I have since had my second child and we often co sleep. I hate the thought of him being over there in his crib by himself..I want him to hear my breathing/heartbeat and have my body warmth. It disturbs me how after carrying your baby for nine month in utero that establishments find it necessary to separate mother and baby and formulate policies in view of ??litigation should a baby be smothered by the mother whilst co sleeping. Just for interest sake, does anyone know if 'mothers instinct' plays a part in her not rolling on/smothering her babe when co sleeping? Cheers Belinda -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 12:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Advertisement: Meet Sexy Singles Today @ Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D23769_t=754951090_r=endtext_lavalife_dec_meet_m=EXT -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I don't have a contact for you Raelene, but I congratulate you again on your progressiveness, and once again not allowing size or remoteness be an excuse for developing Women and Baby centred policies. For those who don't already know - Kalgoorlie is a great place for midwives to do a stint of work! Good to hear from you, Suzi Hoff (ex student midwife who learned so much from her time in Kalgoorlie) - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I found this one too... http://www.babybunk.com/whatis.htm Di - Original Message - From: Kristi Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Raelene, Here are just a few websites I found re: co-sleeping cots...hope this helps! http://www.babydelight.com/snuggle_nest.html - The Snuggle Nest http://armsreach.com/ - Bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed for baby http://www.thefirstyears.com - On this page, go down to the 'Safe Secure Sleeper' to see another version of the Snuggle Nest http://www.babybunk.com/ More bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed All the best, Kristi Midwifery student, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George, Raelene Sent: January 21, 2007 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1995 (20070121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Here is a link to the sample policy from the UK http://www.babyfriendly.org.uk/pdfs/bedsharingpolicy.pdf Cheers, Di - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1995 (20070121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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What about this one designed for hospital beds http://www.bristolmaid.com/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=s200strPageHistory=cat cheers Di - Original Message - From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi everyone, I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any information. Can you help. Regards Raelene George Maternity Ward Kalgoorlie Hospital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1995 (20070121) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo
Title: Message This is a comment I use frequentlyIf he was sleeping with me at 18 at least I would know who he was sleeping with. Thank you all sss much for your reassuring feedback, you have all said what I feel anyway. I treasure the time we have and there are many nights that there are 3 of us in the bed...him, his sister and me, as their"father" moved out 5 years ago lastAustralia Day. (not that I'm counting lol). Thans again, Pauline - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo My usual response to "But what if he never leaves your bed???" is to say that I'm sure he will by the time he's sexually active. And if not, at least I'll know who he's with. ; ) That raises eye brows! J - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo Pinky said: Not sure how to interpret this in light of my own kids experience now they are college age and beyond - that would be too much information! But it seems that they are most likely sleeping with somebody other than me! Ha Ha Ha! you do make me laugh Pinky!!! :o) cheers Jo --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006
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Our son is 8 and has only just graduated onto a mattress on the floor next to our bed. This was with much coaxing and he still tries to convince us to let him get in with us but seems to gradually be accepting the idea. Goes to sleep with all lights on if he goes to bed before us. Helen - Original Message - From: Pauline To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo This is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study thatsays boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help! Pauline__ NOD32 1.1385 (20060128) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
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Title: Message My babies'' didn't sleep with me very much, but as teenagers they always seem to be in my bed!! cheers fiona
[ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo
This is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study thatsays boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help! Pauline
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Hi Pauline, This response is coming from a mother perspective rather than a mid perspective, but I thought I'd contribute anyway. My nearly seven year old happily co-slept with us until she was getting kicked off the bedby her younger siblings...and her sisters now fill the bed and we merrily go on our way! Comments like your ex mother in law made are really hurtful not to mention ignorantand are probably more to do with her own insecurities rather than any evidence based research on the subject. Co sleeping can be wonderful, and as long as it is an arrangement that suits you and your child, then don't worry and carry on what you are doing. Goodluck Mel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PaulineSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:38 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo This is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study thatsays boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help! Pauline
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My husband used to get into bed with his mum until he was 8 and he is one of the most non-violent person I know, and has a wonderful relationship with his mother to boot. In addition, my little brother was the same. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Pauline" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yoDate: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:38:06 +1100 This is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study thatsays boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help! Pauline -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Pauline, Bollocks to your ex MIL - pity "ex" doesnt mean "Exit"! Recently, as I searched for some long term evidence of the benefits of parent-infant co-sleeping, I came across a study of college age subjects which found that males who had co-slept with their parents between birth and five years not only had significantly higher self esteem, they experienced less guilt and anxiety and reported greater frequency of sex. Not sure how to interpret this in light of my own kids experience now they are college age and beyond - that would be too much information! But it seems that they are most likely sleeping with somebody other than me! Enjoy the little warm body and don't bother sharing unnecessary info with your exmil. Pinky - Original Message - From: Pauline To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo This is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study thatsays boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help! Pauline
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Ask her for the study!!! I bet it is like when you ask some obs for the research of stuff they do - they can't show you cos it doesn't exist!!! Or else the study is so flawed that the results are cr*p anyway!!! :-) Katrina who is off to bed after night duty so sorry if this is a little curt!!! :-) On 29/01/2006, at 10:38 PM, Pauline wrote: x-tad-smallerThis is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study that says boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help!/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerPauline/x-tad-smaller
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What crap : ) Teaching children about emotional closeness makes them violent? Certain lack of logic there! Try this anyway: (Maybe she'd like a copy to read ; ) ) http://www.attachmentparenting.org/artbenefitscosleep.shtml Long-term Benefits Higher self-esteem. Boys who coslept with their parents between birth and five years of age had significantly higher self-esteem and experienced less guilt and anxiety. For women, co-sleeping during childhood was associated with less discomfort about physical contact and affection as adults (Lewis Janda, 1988). Co-sleeping appears to promote confidence, self-esteem, and intimacy, possibly by reflecting an attitude of parental acceptance (Crawford, 1994). More positive behavior.In a study of parents on military bases, co-sleeping children received higher evaluations from their teachers than did solitary sleeping children (Forbes et al., 1992). A recent study in England showed that among the children who "never" slept in their parents bed, there was a trend to be harder to control, less happy, exhibit a greater number of tantrums, and these children were actually more fearful than children who always slept in their parents bed, all night (Heron, 1994). Increased life satisfaction. A large, cross-cultural study conducted on five different ethnic groups in large U.S. cities found that, across all groups, co-sleepers exhibited a general feeling of satisfaction with life (Mosenkis, 1998).
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Title: Message Pinky said: Not sure how to interpret this in light of my own kids experience now they are college age and beyond - that would be too much information! But it seems that they are most likely sleeping with somebody other than me! Ha Ha Ha! you do make me laugh Pinky!!! :o) cheers Jo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006
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i s enjoyed reading this ..and reminds me of how i struggled with all the opposing advice.my experiences lead me to observe that historically it seems that things tend to move from one extreme to another , and very rarely balanced in the middle...sadly particularly in regards to mother/baby/child issues.it seems to keep many researchers employed as practices seem to come in and out of fashion .often unfortunately literally throwing the baby out with the bath water...from this point of view i dont often regard our human species as terribly intelligent ...it seems that the need to be 'right' is more important than respecting and celebrating differences i was brought up to the best of my dutch parents abilities and there were many 'rules' in relation to baby -care .it was such a confusing time , as parents and grandparents tell me it still is now, due to continual changes..none of which seem to be the answers ..anyway there i was at 24 yrs of age with my' rules' born of conditioning , my nursing training which had taught us that 'tummy' sleeping for babies was the beez- neez ..thinking my poor mum was completely ancient,ignorant and misinformed when she looked aghast at me putting cameron to sleep on his tummy. then at the same time dr spOCK with his then philosophy of 'demand' feed/sleep/sing/etc, much of which he subsequently retracted abit like ferberbut then i guess as long as people are open and learning then its a good thing that we can 'change' my conditioning told me that no way was i going to be a good wife if i let the baby sleep in the matrimonial bed!so my firstborn was in the bassinet in the next room for me it just didnt feel right at all, after 9 months of carrying this precious baby, to be so 'separate'.i managed to at least bring the bassinet into our room after a few nights..but i never slept that well and nor did the baby.and nor did dad ...by the time our second son was born, thanks to an older friend, i was starting to trust my own intuitive wisdom more and morei tuned in more to his needs particularly when he was unwell or unhappy and would take him into our bed and feed him only for short periods..it felt so natural, yet somewhere still feeling as if i was doing something wrongwith our third child i was a little more informed and confident that unless there was smoking/drugs/alcohol/obesity and/or an instinctive feeling that i might roll on her that i could at last relax and enjoy sleeping with my baby...however, much to our dismay this baby was a mover and a shaker and disturbed dads sleep ,so the solution for all of us , which worked for everyone was to lift her into her own bed ,with the safetsleep sleepwrap on of course!once she was fast asleep.it was great as she had all the warm fuzzies of cuddles with mum and dad and brestfeeding (for 18 months), i relaxed more, dad got more sleep and every morning she would wake up in her own bed...everyone was happy. thanks for this article.i will be ciculating it!...i was surprised that james mackenna and his wonderful work on co-sleeping was not mentioned . you can see a link to his site on www.safetsleep.com nytnyt miriam - Original Message - From: Gloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; @uniserve.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping From Laura Shanley: Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph says it all! Love, Laura http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all And Baby Makes Three in One Bed By AMY HARMON Published: December 29, 2005 JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack. Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert. I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping, said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, John, a computer programmer. I feel I have now been given the green light, that it's O.K. The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, which had become nearly taboo in this country
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I'm sorry Kylie - I didn't mean allof the parents that don't share a bed with their children! I know that some children prefer and or are very content to sleep apart from their parents. Maybe I should have worded that differently. Please don't take offence :) Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping "There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each night" Just something on this comment...I have had four children and was never really comfortable sharing a bed with my babies. I tried but neither me or hubby could sleep with them in there with us.However, I never expected them to sleep 8 hours each night. They had their own room close to ours, were fed on demand, very loved, held and played with lots. Thre were very content, one wasn't and still isn't. Just want to point out that mums who don't want to share a bed shouldn't be criticised either. Kylie From: "jesse/jayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:42:02 +1100I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia. I nevergot anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had myfirst child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthedmy daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me! Iremember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplacebut 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to bragabout, just like early toilet training!My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it withall 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided thatthey did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they wouldsuffocate their babies.It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to beginwith.RegardsJayne- Original Message -From: "Gloria Lemay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:;undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; @uniserve.comSent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping From Laura Shanley: Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph says it all! Love, Laura http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all And Baby Makes Three in One Bed By AMY HARMON Published: December 29, 2005 JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack. Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert. "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping," said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green light, that it's O.K." The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade ago. The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping arrangements. It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted no
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No problem :) From: "jesse/jayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:45:36 +1100 I'm sorry Kylie - I didn't mean allof the parents that don't share a bed with their children! I know that some children prefer and or are very content to sleep apart from their parents. Maybe I should have worded that differently. Please don't take offence :) Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping "There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each night" Just something on this comment...I have had four children and was never really comfortable sharing a bed with my babies. I tried but neither me or hubby could sleep with them in there with us.However, I never expected them to sleep 8 hours each night. They had their own room close to ours, were fed on demand, very loved, held and played with lots. Thre were very content, one wasn't and still isn't. Just want to point out that mums who don't want to share a bed shouldn't be criticised either. Kylie From: "jesse/jayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:42:02 +1100I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia. I nevergot anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had myfirst child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthedmy daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me! Iremember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplacebut 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to bragabout, just like early toilet training!My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it withall 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided thatthey did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they wouldsuffocate their babies.It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to beginwith.RegardsJayne- Original Message -From: "Gloria Lemay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:;undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; @uniserve.comSent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping From Laura Shanley: Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph says it all! Love, Laura http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all And Baby Makes Three in One Bed By AMY HARMON Published: December 29, 2005 JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack. Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert. "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping," said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green light, that it's O.K." The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade ago. The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping arrangements. It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. Transcripts of his network new
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Totally agree. I know lots of mums (colleagues, friends and women I have cared for) who had bub in bed as a matter of course. One couple who were up to no: 5 woke up to no babyhe was found peacefully sleeping between the mattress and the foot of the bed...perfectly healthy! Babies are built to survive and a healthy baby will free its airway.Of course we should be careful if we are sedated etc. But that is common sense. Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping "There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each night" Just something on this comment...I have had four children and was never really comfortable sharing a bed with my babies. I tried but neither me or hubby could sleep with them in there with us.However, I never expected them to sleep 8 hours each night. They had their own room close to ours, were fed on demand, very loved, held and played with lots. Thre were very content, one wasn't and still isn't. Just want to point out that mums who don't want to share a bed shouldn't be criticised either. Kylie From: "jesse/jayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:42:02 +1100I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia. I nevergot anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had myfirst child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthedmy daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me! Iremember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplacebut 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to bragabout, just like early toilet training!My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it withall 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided thatthey did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they wouldsuffocate their babies.It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to beginwith.RegardsJayne- Original Message -From: "Gloria Lemay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:;undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; @uniserve.comSent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping From Laura Shanley: Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph says it all! Love, Laura http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all And Baby Makes Three in One Bed By AMY HARMON Published: December 29, 2005 JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack. Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert. "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping," said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green light, that it's O.K." The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade ago. The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding working mothers, who say it allows them to c
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I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia.I never got anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had my first child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthed my daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me! I remember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplace but 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember. There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having their child share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours in a row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to brag about, just like early toilet training! My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it with all 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided that they did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they would suffocate their babies. It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to begin with. Regards Jayne - Original Message - From: Gloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; @uniserve.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping From Laura Shanley: Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph says it all! Love, Laura http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all And Baby Makes Three in One Bed By AMY HARMON Published: December 29, 2005 JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack. Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert. I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping, said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, John, a computer programmer. I feel I have now been given the green light, that it's O.K. The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade ago. The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping arrangements. It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. Transcripts of his network news and talk show appearances last month are being circulated on the Internet and recited on the playground. Even though I shouldn't have to defend myself, it is nice to have that, Ms. Jakovich said. Like many other parents, she never intended to sleep with her daughter. My view was that granola-hippie-type people co-sleep, she added. But Ms. Jakovich, 30, quickly found that she slept better when she didn't have to get up in the night to nurse Chloe. To make things more comfortable, the Jakoviches took one side off Chloe's deluxe crib and pushed it up against their mattress, which they upgraded to a king-size. The old Dr. Ferber would not have approved. In his best-selling 1985 book, Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems, he advised parents to let babies cry for intervals of up to 45 minutes without responding, to train them to sleep on their own. Should the child cry so hard that he throws up, parents are to clean up and leave again. If you reward him for throwing up by staying with him, he will only learn that this is a good way for him to get what he wants, Dr. Ferber wrote. Parents who take a baby into their bed instead, the book suggested, damage the child's development as an individual and are probably only trying to avoid their own intimacy problems. If you find that you actually prefer to sleep with your infant, it warned, you should consider your own feelings very carefully. Practiced by millions of parents and widely promoted by pediatricians, Ferberization and its variations tap
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"There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each night" Just something on this comment...I have had four children and was never really comfortable sharing a bed with my babies. I tried but neither me or hubby could sleep with them in there with us.However, I never expected them to sleep 8 hours each night. They had their own room close to ours, were fed on demand, very loved, held and played with lots. Thre were very content, one wasn't and still isn't. Just want to point out that mums who don't want to share a bed shouldn't be criticised either. Kylie From: "jesse/jayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:42:02 +1100I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia. I nevergot anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had myfirst child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthedmy daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me! Iremember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplacebut 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to bragabout, just like early toilet training!My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it withall 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided thatthey did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they wouldsuffocate their babies.It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to beginwith.RegardsJayne- Original Message -From: "Gloria Lemay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:;undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; @uniserve.comSent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping From Laura Shanley: Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph says it all! Love, Laura http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all And Baby Makes Three in One Bed By AMY HARMON Published: December 29, 2005 JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack. Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert. "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping," said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green light, that it's O.K." The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade ago. The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping arrangements. It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. Transcripts of his network news and talk show appearances last month are being circulated on the Internet and recited on the playground. "Even though I shouldn't have to defend myself, it is nice to have that," Ms. Jakovich said. Like many other parents, she never intended to sleep with her daughter. "My view was that granola-hippie-type people co-sleep," she added. But Ms. Jakovich, 30, quickly found that she slept better when she didn't have to get up in the night to nurse Chloe. To make things more comfortable, the Jakoviches took one side off Chloe's deluxe crib and pushed it up against their mattress, which they upgraded to a king-size. The old Dr. Ferber
[ozmidwifery] Co-Sleeping
The most successful co-sleeping arrangements I have seen (as a homebirth midwife) are those households which have beds of the same height all across the room or ditto mattresses on the floor. The bedroom is the sleeping room and the other rooms are the nap, play, dressing rooms. Then everyone gets the sleep they need as there is plenty of room and no danger of falling off. MM I really wish co-sleeping worked for us, but it doesn't - I don't sleep well with my kids in the bed and often end up with muscle aches from weird positions. We tried for 4 months with my first, and sporadically since with both. Hence the mattress on the floor next to me. Which works well sometimes! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I think it really depends on personalities and sleep styles too though. We still cosleep with our 3.5 yr old and despite every mattress arrangement we have tried it guarantees me a bad night sleep. If Isabelle just wanted to be near by then what you are suggesting would rock, but she sleeps wedged into my armpit, with her fingers digging a hole in my belly button, and as I try to drift away from her she follows me across the bed until her (6'7) father and I have less than half the bed to share and she is taking up the rest. This happened even when we had mattresses side by side on the floor. It means I have to spend the whole night in one position, usually on my back with my head wedged between pillows (instead of on top of one) and with both arms over my head to make room for the small person wedged in to one side and the very large person trying not to fall off the bed on the other side, or trying not to be crushed into the wall or whatever. I wake up sore and cranky. She! arguably sleeps better. Apart from getting sore I also don't get that true restful sleep with Isabelle in the bed. We persist because she sleeps like me - lightly and irregularly. Her wakings are not habitual and I see no possibility of simply retraining her not to have a regular Xam waking because there is no pattern to break. I also believe that she lies awake for up to an hour, or more, during the night most nights and that she would be frightened/sad to do this alone in her own room. It's a blessing that she has learned she has to lie quietly and still and wait to go back to sleep next to us. My point being that sometimes the arrangement of beds/mattresses makes no real difference to a cosleeping arrangement. And even it if is the best option for a family it can still be pretty exhausting and unpleasant. cheers Jo At 6:44 AM +0800 28/10/05, Mary Murphy wrote: The most successful co-sleeping arrangements I have seen (as a homebirth midwife) are those households which have beds of the same height all across the room or ditto mattresses on the floor. The bedroom is the sleeping room and the other rooms are the nap, play, dressing rooms. Then everyone gets the sleep they need as there is plenty of room and no danger of falling off. MM I really wish co-sleeping worked for us, but it doesn't - I don't sleep well with my kids in the bed and often end up with muscle aches from weird positions. We tried for 4 months with my first, and sporadically since with both. Hence the mattress on the floor next to me. Which works well sometimes! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Gosh - you bought back memories of sleeping with my first child Jo. The feet pinching skin whilst burrowing under your back with the sharp toenail torture!!! Also the constant wanting to lie on top of you rather than next to - ie throwing the leg over incessantly. She still sleeps like this even now (age 10) and I avoid bed sharing with her if I can convince my husband to instead! (if there is a need). He is a heavier sleeper and so generally is not so affected. Thank goodness the latest snuggle bunny is a quiet little sleeper!! Maxine - Original Message - From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co-Sleeping I think it really depends on personalities and sleep styles too though. We still cosleep with our 3.5 yr old and despite every mattress arrangement we have tried it guarantees me a bad night sleep. If Isabelle just wanted to be near by then what you are suggesting would rock, but she sleeps wedged into my armpit, with her fingers digging a hole in my belly button, and as I try to drift away from her she follows me across the bed until her (6'7) father and I have less than half the bed to share and she is taking up the rest. This happened even when we had mattresses side by side on the floor. It means I have to spend the whole night in one position, usually on my back with my head wedged between pillows (instead of on top of one) and with both arms over my head to make room for the small person wedged in to one side and the very large person trying not to fall off the bed on the other side, or trying not to be crushed into the wall or whatever. I wake up sore and cranky. She! arguably sleeps better. Apart from getting sore I also don't get that true restful sleep with Isabelle in the bed. We persist because she sleeps like me - lightly and irregularly. Her wakings are not habitual and I see no possibility of simply retraining her not to have a regular Xam waking because there is no pattern to break. I also believe that she lies awake for up to an hour, or more, during the night most nights and that she would be frightened/sad to do this alone in her own room. It's a blessing that she has learned she has to lie quietly and still and wait to go back to sleep next to us. My point being that sometimes the arrangement of beds/mattresses makes no real difference to a cosleeping arrangement. And even it if is the best option for a family it can still be pretty exhausting and unpleasant. cheers Jo At 6:44 AM +0800 28/10/05, Mary Murphy wrote: The most successful co-sleeping arrangements I have seen (as a homebirth midwife) are those households which have beds of the same height all across the room or ditto mattresses on the floor. The bedroom is the sleeping room and the other rooms are the nap, play, dressing rooms. Then everyone gets the sleep they need as there is plenty of room and no danger of falling off. MM I really wish co-sleeping worked for us, but it doesn't - I don't sleep well with my kids in the bed and often end up with muscle aches from weird positions. We tried for 4 months with my first, and sporadically since with both. Hence the mattress on the floor next to me. Which works well sometimes! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- Jo Bourne Virtual Artists Pty Ltd -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Marilyn, I first discovered breastfeeding was supposed to inhibit sex drive at a la leche league meeting when my 3rd baby was a few weeks old -and there I was obliviously waiting for my 6 week check up so I could really get going again! I do remember saying help yourself Im asleep (which did seem to offend but I was too tired to give a damn on that particular occasion). but I never found breastfeeding to inhibit desire or lubrication etc. I have found myself the odd one out in discussions which tend to blame breastfeeding for lack of interest. I actually felt really sexy -I had tits!! for the first time, so I guess we can be victims of our conditioning whether it is the madonna whore effect which some mums explain means they dont feel that they can equate being a mother with being spontaneous, or who the breasts belong to - me actually! I did find the birth experience made a difference to how I felt - especially as I mentioned, how many rubber gloved fingers had been in my vagina. And, like Barb mentioned - a bit of household help could be a turn on - I read somewhere the words of a psycoanalyst who said show me an impeccable housewife and I will show you a woman with severe sexual hangups . I often used this to justify my postponement of household duties asking my husband well, do you want a WIFE (Washing Ironing F'ing Etc) or lover? Then whilst nursing in a postnatal ward in NZ one day, the charge nurse and I returned from lunch to a student midwife saying has upset your ladies. It turned out that XXX had tidied up the caesarean ladies -I used to leave their slippers etc in easy reach -and she had them all sitting up neat and tidy when they wanted to rest and they were collectively crying. The Charge nurse grinned and quoted the famous psychoanalist saying well you know what they say the next weekend as I came on duty I was greeted by the charge nurse in stitches -Apparently XXXs husband had been picked during the week - for flashing outside the Girls High school !! Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping You know Belinda, I think that was my parents' approach to me sleeping with them. I have a fond memory of their bed being a welcoming place up until I was about 2 or 3 yrs then I have a memory of being cramped, hot, and itchy when in there...I soon preferred my own bed though would go in for reassurance. My dad had a similar ploy for avoiding housework: he would do it but happily get fired by my mum for not doing it to her expectations. Umm! Re sex: I never felt it was a chore always something I really wanted too. Any time it was expected it was a definite turn off and a turn down. I always found an active sex life to actually be an energizer for me and was definetly prepared to sacrifice the housewifely jobs(but not the mothering joys) to play matahari. Granted this can be a bone of contention so to speak. I can accept being the odd woman out here: I am not overly fond of chocolate and never, never suffer from being too cold in air conditioning or any situations that don't involve a windchill factor. I know lactation is theoretically supposed to decrease sex drive and lubrication not so for me though it did inhibit ovulation until the absolute last breastfeed for all 3 girls. Even one feed a day kept fertility away. But not the sex drive. Oh well! marilyn - Original Message - From: Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping When i got desperate with my second child who as about five and always in our small bed as well as his new brother I tried many things. What worked best was always welcoming him into our bed yet making him very uncomfortable so his own bed was more attractive ie squishing him towards the edge of the bed, being restless, dragging the pillow or blankets slightly off him etc. He soon chose to have a cuddle then get back into his own comfy bed. The partner and sex thing, I think parenting does sap a lot of energy for sex but it doesnt have to be a bad thing it is just a stage of your life. Most epople I know say when the kids get older you start to regain energy for you sex life. It seems women are expected to be too much; mothers, drivers, cleaners, workers and also lovers! Partners/men should be apprecieated but it is like my kids, they dont just get rewarded for being reasonable good poeple, that is an everyday expectation neither do we focus on 'bad' behaviour, they are appreciated and loved and reminded tof the qualities in them that we love. I get a bit frustrated when men are revered for being so great when they are really doing no more than the average woman is doing. Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http
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yep - it works!! but dont leave it where they can get it- we had a cat smeared in vaseline once!! :) pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children Apparently putting Vaseline on the door knob stops littlies from coming in to the bedroom at inopportune moments LOL. Cheers, Julie Garratt a -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole ChristensenSent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I loved reading your story Helen - thank you for sharingyour experience. I wonder how our sex life would be by now if we didn't have any children? Would we be less zealous because of familiarity, our age or pure comfort. my guess with my husband and I - is that our sex life is profoundly affected by exhaustion and SEVERE sleep deprivation... and then marginally affected by the above factors also. I know one thing... we wouldn't have to worry about being quiet... or checking for the pitter patter of footsteps... peering eyes or the baby waking for a feed!!! It's almost like we are back being teenagers again - not wanting to get caught! kindest regards, Nicole - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I have a personal experience to share about co-sleeping as a child. My father died when I was four and I had 3 older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12. I slept with Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so most nights until I was about 15. Mumnever ever had a relationship again which was very sadand hopefully not because of me!!! I actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there (as was I).The others all stayed in their beds but soon after...the oldest 2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they needed a male influence...but that is another story. I certainly don't class myself to be clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled extensivelysince I was 17 when I started nursing. I still do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her eighties. I found out a few years ago that my older brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was fourteen. At that stage Mum and I were living alone asmy sisterhadmoved out by then. She didn't tell me at the time and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh. So anyway, when it came to co-sleeping with our child it seemed only natural, despite the fact that I had no preconcieved ideas about how we would handle it. I did recognize thatmy situation with Mum would no doubt have been quite different if Dad had still been alive. He used to let us get in to the bed in the night,but we were still predominantly in the cot when he was around. We certainly find our child needs to co-sleep as part of hisemotional security and it is predominantly a beautiful bond strengthening experience alround, but admit as per my recent postings on the subject, that it can be "challenging to say the least"and does, at times, interfere with our sex lives. We don't seem to be as energetic, imaginative or motivated as we were early in our relationship. I wonder if it is also an age/familiarity related thing...again that is another story. I too have really enjoyed the recent discussions on this subject and thanks those who have give us an insight into their lives when the sun goes down. Helen Cahill
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I do remember saying help yourself Im asleep (which did seem to offend but I was too tired to give a damn on that particular occasion). but I never found breastfeeding to inhibit desire or lubrication etc. I have found myself the odd one out in discussions which tend to blame breastfeeding for lack of interest. I actually felt really sexy -I had tits!! for the first time, so I guess we can be victims of our conditioning whether it is the madonna whore effect which some mums explain means they dont feel that they can equate being a mother with being spontaneous, or who the breasts belong to - me actually! Loved the help yourself comment Pinky. I see an enormous range of normal amongst mothers. Being exhausted makes an enormous differnce to how interested a person is going to be in sex. As does stress. I am not sure the lack of desire many women feel while breastfeeding is simply conditioning. Speaking from absolute personal experience, I thoroughly enjoy sex when I am not breastfeeding and have a particularly good time when I am pregnant and definitely have a supercharged libido. I am not able to blame housework on my lack of interest - living as an expat I don't have any. Stress from looking after the kids is not the issue either - three of them are at school all day and then I have full time help with them in the afternoons and they are not exactly exhausting like they were when they were little (two now in early teens). I never feel tired or run down. I never feel particularly stressed. But I am very definitely not interested in any form of sex while I am breastfeeding. It is purely a hormonal issue - once I stop feeding I get those old feelings all flooding back - at least that has happened the last 3 times so fingers crossed for this one! On the opposite end of the scale I have worked with many women who have been hotter than hot from soon after giving birth despite feeding. Just depends on the woman I guess! Nikki Macfarlane -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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When my last was born 2 years ago, so I had 4 under 5 years, it was amazing what a vasectomy did for our sex lives. I highly recommend it for those who have 'finished' having babies. Jo - Original Message - From: Nikki Macfarlane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping I do remember saying help yourself Im asleep (which did seem to offend but I was too tired to give a damn on that particular occasion). but I never found breastfeeding to inhibit desire or lubrication etc. I have found myself the odd one out in discussions which tend to blame breastfeeding for lack of interest. I actually felt really sexy -I had tits!! for the first time, so I guess we can be victims of our conditioning whether it is the madonna whore effect which some mums explain means they dont feel that they can equate being a mother with being spontaneous, or who the breasts belong to - me actually! Loved the help yourself comment Pinky. I see an enormous range of normal amongst mothers. Being exhausted makes an enormous differnce to how interested a person is going to be in sex. As does stress. I am not sure the lack of desire many women feel while breastfeeding is simply conditioning. Speaking from absolute personal experience, I thoroughly enjoy sex when I am not breastfeeding and have a particularly good time when I am pregnant and definitely have a supercharged libido. I am not able to blame housework on my lack of interest - living as an expat I don't have any. Stress from looking after the kids is not the issue either - three of them are at school all day and then I have full time help with them in the afternoons and they are not exactly exhausting like they were when they were little (two now in early teens). I never feel tired or run down. I never feel particularly stressed. But I am very definitely not interested in any form of sex while I am breastfeeding. It is purely a hormonal issue - once I stop feeding I get those old feelings all flooding back - at least that has happened the last 3 times so fingers crossed for this one! On the opposite end of the scale I have worked with many women who have been hotter than hot from soon after giving birth despite feeding. Just depends on the woman I guess! Nikki Macfarlane -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Pinky: That is too cruel!! Hah! marilyn - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Hi Marilyn, I first discovered breastfeeding was supposed to inhibit sex drive at a la leche league meeting when my 3rd baby was a few weeks old -and there I was obliviously waiting for my 6 week check up so I could really get going again! I do remember saying help yourself Im asleep (which did seem to offend but I was too tired to give a damn on that particular occasion). but I never found breastfeeding to inhibit desire or lubrication etc. I have found myself the odd one out in discussions which tend to blame breastfeeding for lack of interest. I actually felt really sexy -I had tits!! for the first time, so I guess we can be victims of our conditioning whether it is the madonna whore effect which some mums explain means they dont feel that they can equate being a mother with being spontaneous, or who the breasts belong to - me actually! I did find the birth experience made a difference to how I felt - especially as I mentioned, how many rubber gloved fingers had been in my vagina. And, like Barb mentioned - a bit of household help could be a turn on - I read somewhere the words of a psycoanalyst who said show me an impeccable housewife and I will show you a woman with severe sexual hangups . I often used this to justify my postponement of household duties asking my husband well, do you want a WIFE (Washing Ironing F'ing Etc) or lover? Then whilst nursing in a postnatal ward in NZ one day, the charge nurse and I returned from lunch to a student midwife saying has upset your ladies. It turned out that XXX had tidied up the caesarean ladies -I used to leave their slippers etc in easy reach -and she had them all sitting up neat and tidy when they wanted to rest and they were collectively crying. The Charge nurse grinned and quoted the famous psychoanalist saying well you know what they say the next weekend as I came on duty I was greeted by the charge nurse in stitches -Apparently XXXs husband had been picked during the week - for flashing outside the Girls High school !! Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping You know Belinda, I think that was my parents' approach to me sleeping with them. I have a fond memory of their bed being a welcoming place up until I was about 2 or 3 yrs then I have a memory of being cramped, hot, and itchy when in there...I soon preferred my own bed though would go in for reassurance. My dad had a similar ploy for avoiding housework: he would do it but happily get fired by my mum for not doing it to her expectations. Umm! Re sex: I never felt it was a chore always something I really wanted too. Any time it was expected it was a definite turn off and a turn down. I always found an active sex life to actually be an energizer for me and was definetly prepared to sacrifice the housewifely jobs(but not the mothering joys) to play matahari. Granted this can be a bone of contention so to speak. I can accept being the odd woman out here: I am not overly fond of chocolate and never, never suffer from being too cold in air conditioning or any situations that don't involve a windchill factor. I know lactation is theoretically supposed to decrease sex drive and lubrication not so for me though it did inhibit ovulation until the absolute last breastfeed for all 3 girls. Even one feed a day kept fertility away. But not the sex drive. Oh well! marilyn - Original Message - From: Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping When i got desperate with my second child who as about five and always in our small bed as well as his new brother I tried many things. What worked best was always welcoming him into our bed yet making him very uncomfortable so his own bed was more attractive ie squishing him towards the edge of the bed, being restless, dragging the pillow or blankets slightly off him etc. He soon chose to have a cuddle then get back into his own comfy bed. The partner and sex thing, I think parenting does sap a lot of energy for sex but it doesnt have to be a bad thing it is just a stage of your life. Most epople I know say when the kids get older you start to regain energy for you sex life. It seems women are expected to be too much; mothers, drivers, cleaners, workers and also lovers! Partners/men should be apprecieated but it is like my kids, they dont just get rewarded for being reasonable good poeple, that is an everyday expectation neither do we focus on 'bad' behaviour
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I have noticed a few people say that their kids "happily moved to their own room", and so I was wondering just how this happened. Was it adult or child initiated? Was there anything that you did to make sure that they were comfortable/secure etc? Any tips, advice or stories would be appreciated. I must admit that I am not looking forward to that stage. thanks, megan. - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children yep - it works!! but dont leave it where they can get it- we had a cat smeared in vaseline once!! :) pinky - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children Apparently putting Vaseline on the door knob stops littlies from coming in to the bedroom at inopportune moments LOL. Cheers, Julie Garratt a -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole ChristensenSent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I loved reading your story Helen - thank you for sharingyour experience. I wonder how our sex life would be by now if we didn't have any children? Would we be less zealous because of familiarity, our age or pure comfort. my guess with my husband and I - is that our sex life is profoundly affected by exhaustion and SEVERE sleep deprivation... and then marginally affected by the above factors also. I know one thing... we wouldn't have to worry about being quiet... or checking for the pitter patter of footsteps... peering eyes or the baby waking for a feed!!! It's almost like we are back being teenagers again - not wanting to get caught! kindest regards, Nicole - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I have a personal experience to share about co-sleeping as a child. My father died when I was four and I had 3 older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12. I slept with Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so most nights until I was about 15. Mumnever ever had a relationship again which was very sadand hopefully not because of me!!! I actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there (as was I).The others all stayed in their beds but soon after...the oldest 2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they needed a male influence...but that is another story. I certainly don't class myself to be clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled extensivelysince I was 17 when I started nursing. I still do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her eighties. I found out a few years ago that my older brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was fourteen. At that stage Mum and I were living alone asmy sisterhadmoved out by then. She didn't tell me at the time and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh. So anyway, when it came to co-sleeping with our child it seemed only natural, despite the fact that I had no preconcieved ideas about how we would handle it. I did recognize thatmy situation with Mum would no doubt have been quite different if Dad had still been alive. He used to let us get in to the bed in the night,but we were still predominantly in the cot when he was around. We certainly find our child needs to co-sleep as part of hisemotional security and it is predominantly a beautiful bond strengthening experience alround, but admit as per my recent postings on the subject, that it can be "challenging to say the least"and does, at times, interfere with our sex lives. We don't seem to be as energetic, imaginative or motivated as we were early in our relationship. I wonder if it is also an age/familiarity related thing...again that is another story. I too have really enjoyed the recent discussions on this subject and thanks those who have give
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We fully coslept for 18 months, then we bought DD a bed and put her bed against the wall and our mattress on the floor on the otherside so that she was close to us and if she rolled out she had a soft landing. We made a big deal of setting it up, bought her nice linen and always made it look lovely and inviting. She loved her own bed and moved to it very happily (though so did I most of the time). Then at about 22 months we reorganised our tiney 1 bd appartment plus sunroom so that she got the sunroom as her bedroom and our bed was in what should have been loungeroom, just outside her door as it happened. Again we made a big fuss of her own room and when she woke up in their the first time and I asked did she like it she said thankyou daddy (he had given up his study for her room and she obviously knew that). I continued to spend a lot of time in her bed on and off until a week ago when we night weaned. She still wakes up once most nights but DH and I are on a mission to! get her sleeping through as well as night weaned (which is working very easily) so we both get up to her, I lie down next to her and he sits on a chair next to the bed and makes me stay awake so that I leave the bed as soon as she is asleep. I was in her bed for 1.5 hrs last night because she woke so close to morning, but that is the first such long period since we started. just not feeding half night has improved my energy levels, to say nothing of the extra sleep. cheers Jo At 7:46 +1000 23/3/04, megan davidson wrote: I have noticed a few people say that their kids happily moved to their own room, and so I was wondering just how this happened. Was it adult or child initiated? Was there anything that you did to make sure that they were comfortable/secure etc? Any tips, advice or stories would be appreciated. I must admit that I am not looking forward to that stage. thanks, megan. - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Pinky McKay To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children yep - it works!! but dont leave it where they can get it- we had a cat smeared in vaseline once!! :) pinky - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Julie Garratt To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children Apparently putting Vaseline on the door knob stops littlies from coming in to the bedroom at inopportune moments LOL. Cheers, Julie Garratt a -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole Christensen Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 10:45 PM To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I loved reading your story Helen - thank you for sharing your experience. I wonder how our sex life would be by now if we didn't have any children? Would we be less zealous because of familiarity, our age or pure comfort. my guess with my husband and I - is that our sex life is profoundly affected by exhaustion and SEVERE sleep deprivation... and then marginally affected by the above factors also. I know one thing... we wouldn't have to worry about being quiet... or checking for the pitter patter of footsteps... peering eyes or the baby waking for a feed!!! It's almost like we are back being teenagers again - not wanting to get caught! kindest regards, Nicole - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Graham and Helen To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I have a personal experience to share about co-sleeping as a child. My father died when I was four and I had 3 older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12. I slept with Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so most nights until I was about 15. Mum never ever had a relationship again which was very sad and hopefully not because of me!!! I actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there (as was I). The others all stayed in their beds but soon after...the oldest 2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they needed a male influence...but that is another story. I certainly don't class myself to be clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled extensively since I was 17 when I started nursing.I still do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her eighties. I found out a few years ago that my older brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was fourteen. At that stage Mum and I were living alone as my sister had moved out by then. She didn't tell me at the time and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh. So anyway, when it came
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I loved reading your story Helen - thank you for sharingyour experience. I wonder how our sex life would be by now if we didn't have any children? Would we be less zealous because of familiarity, our age or pure comfort. my guess with my husband and I - is that our sex life is profoundly affected by exhaustion and SEVERE sleep deprivation... and then marginally affected by the above factors also. I know one thing... we wouldn't have to worry about being quiet... or checking for the pitter patter of footsteps... peering eyes or the baby waking for a feed!!! It's almost like we are back being teenagers again - not wanting to get caught! kindest regards, Nicole - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I have a personal experience to share about co-sleeping as a child. My father died when I was four and I had 3 older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12. I slept with Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so most nights until I was about 15. Mumnever ever had a relationship again which was very sadand hopefully not because of me!!! I actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there (as was I).The others all stayed in their beds but soon after...the oldest 2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they needed a male influence...but that is another story. I certainly don't class myself to be clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled extensivelysince I was 17 when I started nursing. I still do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her eighties. I found out a few years ago that my older brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was fourteen. At that stage Mum and I were living alone asmy sisterhadmoved out by then. She didn't tell me at the time and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh. So anyway, when it came to co-sleeping with our child it seemed only natural, despite the fact that I had no preconcieved ideas about how we would handle it. I did recognize thatmy situation with Mum would no doubt have been quite different if Dad had still been alive. He used to let us get in to the bed in the night,but we were still predominantly in the cot when he was around. We certainly find our child needs to co-sleep as part of hisemotional security and it is predominantly a beautiful bond strengthening experience alround, but admit as per my recent postings on the subject, that it can be "challenging to say the least"and does, at times, interfere with our sex lives. We don't seem to be as energetic, imaginative or motivated as we were early in our relationship. I wonder if it is also an age/familiarity related thing...again that is another story. I too have really enjoyed the recent discussions on this subject and thanks those who have give us an insight into their lives when the sun goes down. Helen Cahill
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Apparently putting Vaseline on the door knob stops littlies from coming in to the bedroom at inopportune moments LOL. Cheers, Julie Garratt a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicole Christensen Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I loved reading your story Helen - thank you for sharingyour experience. I wonder how our sex life would be by now if we didn't have any children? Would we be less zealous because of familiarity, our age or pure comfort. my guess with my husband and I - is that our sex life is profoundly affected by exhaustion and SEVERE sleep deprivation... and then marginally affected by the above factors also. I know one thing... we wouldn't have to worry about being quiet... or checking for the pitter patter of footsteps... peering eyes or the baby waking for a feed!!! It's almost like we are back being teenagers again - not wanting to get caught! kindest regards, Nicole - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I have a personal experience to share about co-sleeping as a child. My father died when I was four and I had 3 older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12. I slept with Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so most nights until I was about 15. Mumnever ever had a relationship again which was very sadand hopefully not because of me!!! I actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there (as was I).The others all stayed in their beds but soon after...the oldest 2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they needed a male influence...but that is another story. I certainly don't class myself to be clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled extensivelysince I was 17 when I started nursing. I still do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her eighties. I found out a few years ago that my older brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was fourteen. At that stage Mum and I were living alone asmy sisterhadmoved out by then. She didn't tell me at the time and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh. So anyway, when it came to co-sleeping with our child it seemed only natural, despite the fact that I had no preconcieved ideas about how we would handle it. I did recognize thatmy situation with Mum would no doubt have been quite different if Dad had still been alive. He used to let us get in to the bed in the night,but we were still predominantly in the cot when he was around. We certainly find our child needs to co-sleep as part of hisemotional security and it is predominantly a beautiful bond strengthening experience alround, but admit as per my recent postings on the subject, that it can be challenging to say the leastand does, at times, interfere with our sex lives. We don't seem to be as energetic, imaginative or motivated as we were early in our relationship. I wonder if it is also an age/familiarity related thing...again that is another story. I too have really enjoyed the recent discussions on this subject and thanks those who have give us an insight into their lives when the sun goes down. Helen Cahill
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When i got desperate with my second child who as about five and always in our small bed as well as his new brother I tried many things. What worked best was always welcoming him into our bed yet making him very uncomfortable so his own bed was more attractive ie squishing him towards the edge of the bed, being restless, dragging the pillow or blankets slightly off him etc. He soon chose to have a cuddle then get back into his own comfy bed. The partner and sex thing, I think parenting does sap a lot of energy for sex but it doesnt have to be a bad thing it is just a stage of your life. Most epople I know say when the kids get older you start to regain energy for you sex life. It seems women are expected to be too much; mothers, drivers, cleaners, workers and also lovers! Partners/men should be apprecieated but it is like my kids, they dont just get rewarded for being reasonable good poeple, that is an everyday expectation neither do we focus on 'bad' behaviour, they are appreciated and loved and reminded tof the qualities in them that we love. I get a bit frustrated when men are revered for being so great when they are really doing no more than the average woman is doing. Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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You know Belinda, I think that was my parents' approach to me sleeping with them. I have a fond memory of their bed being a welcoming place up until I was about 2 or 3 yrs then I have a memory of being cramped, hot, and itchy when in there...I soon preferred my own bed though would go in for reassurance. My dad had a similar ploy for avoiding housework: he would do it but happily get fired by my mum for not doing it to her expectations. Umm! Re sex: I never felt it was a chore always something I really wanted too. Any time it was expected it was a definite turn off and a turn down. I always found an active sex life to actually be an energizer for me and was definetly prepared to sacrifice the housewifely jobs(but not the mothering joys) to play matahari. Granted this can be a bone of contention so to speak. I can accept being the odd woman out here: I am not overly fond of chocolate and never, never suffer from being too cold in air conditioning or any situations that don't involve a windchill factor. I know lactation is theoretically supposed to decrease sex drive and lubrication not so for me though it did inhibit ovulation until the absolute last breastfeed for all 3 girls. Even one feed a day kept fertility away. But not the sex drive. Oh well! marilyn - Original Message - From: Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping When i got desperate with my second child who as about five and always in our small bed as well as his new brother I tried many things. What worked best was always welcoming him into our bed yet making him very uncomfortable so his own bed was more attractive ie squishing him towards the edge of the bed, being restless, dragging the pillow or blankets slightly off him etc. He soon chose to have a cuddle then get back into his own comfy bed. The partner and sex thing, I think parenting does sap a lot of energy for sex but it doesnt have to be a bad thing it is just a stage of your life. Most epople I know say when the kids get older you start to regain energy for you sex life. It seems women are expected to be too much; mothers, drivers, cleaners, workers and also lovers! Partners/men should be apprecieated but it is like my kids, they dont just get rewarded for being reasonable good poeple, that is an everyday expectation neither do we focus on 'bad' behaviour, they are appreciated and loved and reminded tof the qualities in them that we love. I get a bit frustrated when men are revered for being so great when they are really doing no more than the average woman is doing. Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Its pretty obvious from this list that co-sleeping can't inhibit your sex life too much, just look at how many of us have 3 children, and some. I remember before having my children, working full time in my own business and hubby working full time, plus renovating and a social life etc, we had some pretty quiet times inthe bedroom. Exhaustion is not a good aphrodisiac, no matter what causes it. My total picture now is much happier, and the sex is pretty damn good when we make the effort. Maybe we just appreciate it more. Cheers Megan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Nicole ChristensenSent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 10:45To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I loved reading your story Helen - thank you for sharingyour experience. I wonder how our sex life would be by now if we didn't have any children? Would we be less zealous because of familiarity, our age or pure comfort. my guess with my husband and I - is that our sex life is profoundly affected by exhaustion and SEVERE sleep deprivation... and then marginally affected by the above factors also. I know one thing... we wouldn't have to worry about being quiet... or checking for the pitter patter of footsteps... peering eyes or the baby waking for a feed!!! It's almost like we are back being teenagers again - not wanting to get caught! kindest regards, Nicole - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children I have a personal experience to share about co-sleeping as a child. My father died when I was four and I had 3 older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12. I slept with Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so most nights until I was about 15. Mumnever ever had a relationship again which was very sadand hopefully not because of me!!! I actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there (as was I).The others all stayed in their beds but soon after...the oldest 2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they needed a male influence...but that is another story. I certainly don't class myself to be clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled extensivelysince I was 17 when I started nursing. I still do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her eighties. I found out a few years ago that my older brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was fourteen. At that stage Mum and I were living alone asmy sisterhadmoved out by then. She didn't tell me at the time and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh. So anyway, when it came to co-sleeping with our child it seemed only natural, despite the fact that I had no preconcieved ideas about how we would handle it. I did recognize thatmy situation with Mum would no doubt have been quite different if Dad had still been alive. He used to let us get in to the bed in the night,but we were still predominantly in the cot when he was around. We certainly find our child needs to co-sleep as part of hisemotional security and it is predominantly a beautiful bond strengthening experience alround, but admit as per my recent postings on the subject, that it can be "challenging to say the least"and does, at times, interfere with our sex lives. We don't seem to be as energetic, imaginative or motivated as we were early in our relationship. I wonder if it is also an age/familiarity related thing...again that is another story. I too have really enjoyed the recent discussions on this subject and thanks those who have give us an insight into their lives when the sun goes down. Helen Cahill
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Good for you Marilyn I feel exactly the same!! hence why I have 4 under 4.5.(the breastfeeding DID NOT prevent ovulation in my case) I think this sort of measured approach has enabled me to provide comfort and reassurance, not be sleep deprived, have a bit of relationship time and do 30 hrs a week work for Maternity Coalition!! Justine Mum to Ruby 4.5, Clancy 3, William 20 months and Tobias 23 days - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping You know Belinda, I think that was my parents' approach to me sleeping with them. I have a fond memory of their bed being a welcoming place up until I was about 2 or 3 yrs then I have a memory of being cramped, hot, and itchy when in there...I soon preferred my own bed though would go in for reassurance. My dad had a similar ploy for avoiding housework: he would do it but happily get fired by my mum for not doing it to her expectations. Umm! Re sex: I never felt it was a chore always something I really wanted too. Any time it was expected it was a definite turn off and a turn down. I always found an active sex life to actually be an energizer for me and was definetly prepared to sacrifice the housewifely jobs(but not the mothering joys) to play matahari. Granted this can be a bone of contention so to speak. I can accept being the odd woman out here: I am not overly fond of chocolate and never, never suffer from being too cold in air conditioning or any situations that don't involve a windchill factor. I know lactation is theoretically supposed to decrease sex drive and lubrication not so for me though it did inhibit ovulation until the absolute last breastfeed for all 3 girls. Even one feed a day kept fertility away. But not the sex drive. Oh well! marilyn - Original Message - From: Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping When i got desperate with my second child who as about five and always in our small bed as well as his new brother I tried many things. What worked best was always welcoming him into our bed yet making him very uncomfortable so his own bed was more attractive ie squishing him towards the edge of the bed, being restless, dragging the pillow or blankets slightly off him etc. He soon chose to have a cuddle then get back into his own comfy bed. The partner and sex thing, I think parenting does sap a lot of energy for sex but it doesnt have to be a bad thing it is just a stage of your life. Most epople I know say when the kids get older you start to regain energy for you sex life. It seems women are expected to be too much; mothers, drivers, cleaners, workers and also lovers! Partners/men should be apprecieated but it is like my kids, they dont just get rewarded for being reasonable good poeple, that is an everyday expectation neither do we focus on 'bad' behaviour, they are appreciated and loved and reminded tof the qualities in them that we love. I get a bit frustrated when men are revered for being so great when they are really doing no more than the average woman is doing. Belinda -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Co-sleeping and older children
I have a personal experience to share about co-sleeping as a child. My father died when I was four and I had 3 older brothers and sisters between the ages of 8 and 12. I slept with Mum, without question, from the day that Dad died and continued to do so most nights until I was about 15. Mumnever ever had a relationship again which was very sadand hopefully not because of me!!! I actually think Mum would have been comforted by my being there (as was I).The others all stayed in their beds but soon after...the oldest 2 (boys) were sent to boarding school as Mum thought they needed a male influence...but that is another story. I certainly don't class myself to be clingy/dependent as I have lived away from home and travelled extensivelysince I was 17 when I started nursing. I still do, however, have a very close emotional bond to Mum who is now in her eighties. I found out a few years ago that my older brother was a bit worried that I was still sleeping with Mum when I was fourteen. At that stage Mum and I were living alone asmy sisterhadmoved out by then. She didn't tell me at the time and when I heard I thought it was a bit of a laugh. So anyway, when it came to co-sleeping with our child it seemed only natural, despite the fact that I had no preconcieved ideas about how we would handle it. I did recognize thatmy situation with Mum would no doubt have been quite different if Dad had still been alive. He used to let us get in to the bed in the night,but we were still predominantly in the cot when he was around. We certainly find our child needs to co-sleep as part of hisemotional security and it is predominantly a beautiful bond strengthening experience alround, but admit as per my recent postings on the subject, that it can be "challenging to say the least"and does, at times, interfere with our sex lives. We don't seem to be as energetic, imaginative or motivated as we were early in our relationship. I wonder if it is also an age/familiarity related thing...again that is another story. I too have really enjoyed the recent discussions on this subject and thanks those who have give us an insight into their lives when the sun goes down. Helen Cahill
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Thanks for sharing that article Claire. It is good to keep a world view of the situation isn't it? More and more often it seems that our contemporary Western ideas are the odd ones out on debates about co-sleeping/breastfeeding etc. Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Rob and Claire Leslie-Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping I found this nice article from this weeks UK guardian, http://www.guardian.co.uk/parents/story/0,3605,1058160,00.html Claire Saxby _ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi Claire and Helen, It is a lovely article isnt it - so refreshing to have someone say it like it is without any pussyfooting. By the way, Deborah Jackson's book Three in a Bed is well researched, easy to read (ie not an academic text) and great ammo against critics of co-sleeping. I have a set of co-cleeeping links on my website -one is a link to articles in a special edition of Mothering magazine which was entirely focussed on co-sleeping by expert researchers from around the world -its great reading and lots of studies to support co-sleeping. It's crazy to think we even need research or ammo to do something as natural as cuddle our babies - even at night time! Do we also need research to tell us that the grass will grow if it rains? Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: Graham and Helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping Thanks for sharing that article Claire. It is good to keep a world view of the situation isn't it? More and more often it seems that our contemporary Western ideas are the odd ones out on debates about co-sleeping/breastfeeding etc. Helen Cahill - Original Message - From: Rob and Claire Leslie-Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping I found this nice article from this weeks UK guardian, http://www.guardian.co.uk/parents/story/0,3605,1058160,00.html Claire Saxby _ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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I found this nice article from this weeks UK guardian, http://www.guardian.co.uk/parents/story/0,3605,1058160,00.html Claire Saxby _ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi all, have just had a call from A Current affair - my co-sleeping interview is on tonight!!! Fingers crossed it is a positive -the "other side" is a forensic professor from Adelaide. Two mums had cameras placed in their bedrooms overnight - brave women! Pinky
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We watched the show, not too bad for ACA, but I don't think a few mins really does it any justice. Most think your mad, and its not about suffication of baby, more about the old "rod for yourback" syndrome. I got the best wakeup hug this morning form my bed buddy, a "rod" I have gotten very used to. Megan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 11:27To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Co - sleeping!!! Hi all, have just had a call from A Current affair - my co-sleeping interview is on tonight!!! Fingers crossed it is a positive -the "other side" is a forensic professor from Adelaide. Two mums had cameras placed in their bedrooms overnight - brave women! Pinky
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Hi Megan - a lovely wee "rod" by the sounds
-Interesting hpw they cut and dramatise when you know what was said and how they
have split sentences etc - I actually was "chopped" mid sentence when I said
"there are no risks" I actually added "whenthere is a safe sleeping
environment". I have a facts sheet on the ACA website - safe co-sleeping
(seeing they were banging on about risks Ithought Id try for a second bite of
the cherry!) -this facts sheet links to my site - and a list of co-sleeping
links!!!
The lovely Chinese mum was my daughter's
unihousemate.
Pinky
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From:
Larry
Megan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:13
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Co -
sleeping!!!
We
watched the show, not too bad for ACA, but I don't think a few mins really
does it any justice. Most think your mad, and its not about suffication of
baby, more about the old "rod for yourback" syndrome. I got the best
wakeup hug this morning form my bed buddy, a "rod" I have gotten very used
to.
Megan
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pinky
McKaySent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 11:27To:
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sleeping!!!
Hi all,
have just had a call from A Current affair - my
co-sleeping interview is on tonight!!!
Fingers crossed it is a positive -the "other
side" is a forensic professor from Adelaide.
Two mums had cameras placed in their bedrooms
overnight - brave women!
Pinky
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Hi Kathy, I have co-slept with all of my children on returning to work (I used to work mainly night shift with my 2nd third) my husband coped quite well with EBM in the fridge freezer. My problem was that none of my previous 3 children ever really took to the bottle even with EBM in it. We did find however that they woke less when I wasn't there to feed them would just come to me when I arrived home with bursting breasts for a huge feed. When they got older, Marty would just take a bottle of water to bed with him (The kids slept with him even when I wasn't there) they would have a small amount of water. I haven't returned to work again after my last babe (he's 4.5 mths) but I'm also a little worried as he is not interested in having EBM in the bottle... he also wants the real thing (actually I think he is suffering from what I call reverse nipple confusion.. he has no idea what to do with a bottle teat). Good Luck. TIna H. - Original Message - From: simsarch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping I too am co sleeping with my six month old baby and am loving every bit of it. She is my third child and I didn't do it with the other two (don't know why). She tends to feed a lot at night whichhasn't beena problem. However, I don't know what to do now as I am returning to work in a month and don't know how my partner will cope with these night time grazings if I am out with a labouring woman. Can anyone offer me any advice? She probably feeds every 2 hours, but it is more of a snack than a decent feed.we am getting plenty of pressure to do the controlled crying thing in order to get her feeding less frequently at night which we really don't want to do, but on the other hand we need to make the situation more manageable for my husband who doesn't have the boobs if I'm not there overnight. Many thanks, Kathy
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I too am co sleeping with my six month old baby and am loving every bit of it. She is my third child and I didn't do it with the other two (don't know why). She tends to feed a lot at night whichhasn't beena problem. However, I don't know what to do now as I am returning to work in a month and don't know how my partner will cope with these night time grazings if I am out with a labouring woman. Can anyone offer me any advice? She probably feeds every 2 hours, but it is more of a snack than a decent feed.we am getting plenty of pressure to do the controlled crying thing in order to get her feeding less frequently at night which we really don't want to do, but on the other hand we need to make the situation more manageable for my husband who doesn't have the boobs if I'm not there overnight. Many thanks, Kathy
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Five alive and all co-slept too! I just realised today that I dont actually personally know anyone who has NEVER taken their children into their bed - my neighbour once took her whining bull terrier puppy into her bed, and shes a super houseproud lady! Pinky
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Dogs in bed! To my mothers shock - in the early hour of the morning my sisters dog climbed up onto her bed and gave birth to her first pup. She had been in the bathroom with a whelping box and nothing had happened - someone wentinto the room, thedog ran out and found a nice safe place to have her pup (on the nice warm bed!). She was returned to the box in the bathroom for the rest of them but I am sure ifshe had her way she would have had all 4 pups in my mothers bed. LOL Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 20:18:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] co -sleeping Five alive and all co-slept too! I just realised today that I dont actually personally know anyone who has NEVER taken their children into their bed - my neighbour once took her whining bull terrier puppy into her bed, and shes a super houseproud lady! Pinky IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
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Title: Message I remember seeing statistics that said that 75% of pet owners slept with their animals in their beds..fantastic really when you consider the outrage of the general public to co sleepng with a baby! Cheers Tina -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 7:38 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] co -sleeping Five alive and all co-slept too! I just realised today that I dont actually personally know anyone who has NEVER taken their children into their bed - my neighbour once took her whining bull terrier puppy into her bed, and shes a super houseproud lady! Pinky
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Title: Message I have co-slept with my new bub since the day he was born. No one in the hospital complained about me feeding bub in bed or snuggling up for sleep and it was a tiny little bed too! I just tucked him in and made sure he wouldn't fall out. In our bed we often have the baby, our 3 year old and my husband and I and sometimes the cat at the end of the bed. My husband often camps out on the floor because of lack of space : ). There have been a couple of occaisions where I've woken up to find the quilt partially over bub's head but I think that I instinctively woke up to pull it back. We know when things are wrong... that's one of the wonders of intuition. Now I always drop the quilt down to baby level and make sure my head is at his head level... that alleviated the quilt over head problem. Other than that, all of us have slept beautifully and we are all alive too (although hubby is just barely alive : ) ). Cheers, Cas. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKaySent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 8:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] co -sleeping Five alive and all co-slept too! I just realised today that I dont actually personally know anyone who has NEVER taken their children into their bed - my neighbour once took her whining bull terrier puppy into her bed, and shes a super houseproud lady! Pinky
