Re: OT: what I need to do street photography
On Oct 12, 2006, at 6:26 AM, John Francis wrote: For some uses (high-speed action sports, etc.) 60fps would be great. I think TV cameras can do that now, going by the ultra-smooth replays we get from the higher-budget sporting events. They wouldn't have anywhere near the resolution of this thing though. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Not quite, I stated that it could be done a number of Ways today. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gonz Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey heck of course. it could use the same mechanism as an optical shaft encoder. but JCO's talking about the same design as in the past, not an entirely new design. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/10/06, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No because you have springs, tiny parts, a variable resistor with its own tiny linkage and the pot brush arm that depends on friction but not too much that it would wipe out the resistive surface. Tech now would make it cheaper to implement in an opto-mechanical non-contact sealed unit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Flash trigger voltage
On Oct 11, 2006, at 5:14 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: P.S. - Godfrey mentioned a Promaster dedicated hot shoe to pc adapter. Any other recommendations? I'm assuming these are fairly simple devices, and that buying the over-priced Pentax branded adapter isn't worth the extra cash. Not dedicated hot shoe to PC adapter, I use a Promaster Pentax- dedicated hotshoe to hotshoe cable. Cheaper and simpler than the Pentax flash system pieces. For hot shoe to PC adaptation, I recommend a Wein Safe Sync unit. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Decisions decisisons
I guess I saw this coming a few years back. I sold my Leica Ms, Nikon SLRs, Hassies, Mamiyas, Zeiss Ikons, etc. No pro or system 35mm or MF cameras left. The only film cameras I have left are a few mostly valueless 35mm point and shoots, and a small selection of my favorite subminiatures (Minolta 16, Minox, Rollei 35S, Minox 35GT-E, Bell Howell/Canon Dial 35). I haven't shot any 35mm film since 2002, any medium format since 2003. I might shoot some Minox submini this year coming. Godfrey On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:44 PM, Vic MacBournie wrote: Okay I know this has been discussed in detail here many times over but I am having a hard time trying to decide whether to sell some, if not all, of my film cameras. My dillemma is that I love my film cameras more than the digital but I use the digital almost exclusively. I will sometimes carry my film cameras out on a shoot but not use them or at least use them very rarely. I have two very nice LX with winders and accessories and an MZS with winder. I also have the istd which certainly gets the most use. My question is to those who have recently made this decision. It is worth itin the end? Do you regret selling the film cameras. What are the pros and cons. In the end I will probably just sell the one LX but I could be convinced to sell it all... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, that's it, I cracked.
The DA21/3.2 Limited isn't very pancake. It's a nice, compact lens with excellent quality performance. The DA40/2.8 Limited is the only true pancake lens. It's too small to be useful for me. Godfrey On Oct 10, 2006, at 3:01 PM, gfen wrote: The downside is I don't want pancake lenses, I want larger units with some holding space on 'em. And I want that 21mm faster than 3.2. I'd trade off the pancake ability for another 1.5 or 2 stops of speed at the same price point, but what do I know? I mostly make this up as I go along... As for a 70/2.4? Eh, whatever. An FA50/1.4 will probably be under cost and 1.33 stops faster. Again, maybe the little pancake thing appeals to someone, somewhere, but it ain't me. Its the right direction, but not what I'm looking for exactly (then again, what I'm mostly looking for is something to complain about). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: AF500FTZ flash
On Oct 10, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Patrick Genovese wrote: Has anyone successfully used an ordinary Auto Flash with the *ist series / k100 bodies ? The Sunpak 383 is the flash unit I use with all my cameras, *ist DS included. Cheap, reliable, powerful enough... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax DSLR - some questions before I decide
On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Inet Shopper wrote: I shoot mostly landscapes and architecture, and prefer a wide-angle lens. With the compact I usually use the wide end (38mm) and with the Canon A1, the lens is usually 50/1.4 or 28/2. I also shoot at evening gatherings, and like the low light capability of both lenses. - equivalents are 35mm and 18mm. To be clear, the Canon A1 uses FD lenses, and I'm not willing to use adapters to get limited functionality on a DSLR body. There are only a few adapters for Canon FD series lenses and none give full functionality. I seem to recall the Canon adapter had optics in them that effected a 1.2x multiplication of focal length and bit of a reduction in speed. 1. Cost of 28/2 and 35/2: The A-series 28/2 and 35/2 actually seem uncommon and somewhat expensive, about US$150+/- on eBay. One A35/2 recently sold for US$375! I've also searched the German and Dutch eBay sites, plus KEH. I'm clearly not alone in wanting to use them on a Pentax DSLR. Are there any other useful sources? I live in Singapore, and the local used market is mostly Canon/Nikon. Go for the FA35/2 AL or FA28/2.8 AL. Both are very good lenses and not too terribly expensive. They're not f/1.4, but the Pentax DSLRs are quite clean in rendering up to ISO 800 and even 1600 in a pinch ... much better than film. 2. K/M Lenses: If I was to use a K/M lens, but only used it wide open in aperture priority mode, do I get fully automatic operation i.e. no need for the 2-step meter-shoot kludge? If so, then as a night lens there's no difference between the A and K/M lenses, right? Yes. 3. Focus Trap: Some posters mentioned that the shutter locks until the camera confirms focus. This is great for macrophotography, but can it be turned off? Sometimes, an out-of-focus picture beats no picture at all. I've used a Nikon D70 to cover an event before - when it couldn't focus, I had to switch to manual focus to get the shutter to trip. Switching to Manual Focus turns off the focus lockout. As does AF- Continuous mode. 4. Other general-purpose lenses: Two alternatives to the 18-55/3.5-5.6 kit lens are the 17-28/2.8-4 lenses offered by Tamron and Sigma. ... I don't like using anything but Pentax lenses very much. For quality, I much prefer the DA16-45 or FA20-35 over the kit zoom. 5. Flash compatibility: I understand the K100D uses a new type of flash control, P-TTL, and will not work with normal TTL flashes. I have no idea what P-TTL is. I use a Sunpak 30DX bounce/swivel automatic flash with a Canon module for my A1. I set the desired aperture on the flash, set the A1 to shutter priority at 1/60, and get satisfactory results. If I simply purchase a Pentax module (for the LX, ME, MG, MV, MV1), can I continue to shoot in the same way i.e. the flash sensor controls the cut-off? I'm not hung up on getting TTL/P-TTL flash. Not familiar with the Sunpak 30DX flash unit. But if it's an external sensor auto-flash, it will work the same way it does on your A1. Not sure why it needs a custom module to work that way, but ... ??? Finally, Pentax and Sony are currently the only way to get antishake AND a f2 or faster lens together, as the Canon and Nikon IS/VR lenses are f2.8 at most, not to mention heavy and expensive. But Canon and Nikon have the clear edge in availability of used lenses and accessories, so I'd also like to hear from members who use gear on the Canon and Nikon platforms. Please reply off-list if you feel it's not relevant to PDML. As a 30 year veteran user of Nikon SLR cameras and lenses, I know what you're saying. I prefer the Pentax lenses I've got now over what I used to have in Nikon system lenses. And even the Pentax DS body has been an excellent performer for me. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 06:29:59PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: You've made an interesting point, perhaps without even realizing it. It's quite possible that JCO and others have never bought any new Pentax gear. It's also quite possible that many of the others who are protesting and making noise many not have bought any new Pentax gear, or perhaps just a few items. A lot of us, in order to be able to support our habit and our hobby, have purchased much of our gear on the used market. I've been a Pentax user since around 1967-68, and have bought only five new cameras and maybe about the same number of new lenses. I know one person on the list for whom the K10D will be their first new Pentax. But, he has also bought a couple-three new Pentax lenses, and some accessories. Since 1972 I've bought eight new cameras (plus one used one), and around the same number of new lenses (and as many again used lenses). All my really expensive glass (200 300 f2.8, 80-200 250-600 zooms) I've bought used. All the bodies (except for the backup MX) have been bought new, usually in the first few weeks the camera was available. I like the new DA* lenses, which means I'll probably be spending more on new Pentax glass in the next year than I've spent in the previous 35. So if the goal is to get into my wallet for new lenses, I'd have to say that the plan is working. And yes, I'm one of those who won't be buying a K10D immediately; I'll be waiting until the DA* lenses get released. Based on past history, this might get me a slight break on the price. But, there again, I've paid early adopter prices for a Super Program, PZ-1p, MZ-S and *ist-D; taking just the *ist-D alone Pentax (and Adorama) got $400 more from me than somebody who bought the same camera just a few months later. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Mini PDML LONDON
On Oct 11, 2006, at 9:49 PM, mike wilson wrote: I shall be about 11,000m overhead about eight hours before. I'll be about 12,700km directly below. About as far away as I could possibly be :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
On 11/10/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William, one of your best posts ever. I totally agree. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
snip We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William Robb Damn, that was extremely well put. I wonder how long it will take JCO to completely miss the point? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 11:03:48AM +1000, John Coyle wrote: Not paranoid, just cautious. And since I write custom programs for clients who would be most unimpressed if I passed them a virus, it safeguards my livelihood. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt (polo shirt, actually). We were doing some custom development for Lotus back in the days when Microsoft Office actually had some true competition. Somehow we ended up with a copy of the 'Monkey' virus on a floppy (remember them? Remember when you could actually put a serious amount of software on something that small?) that we sent to Lotus Development. Their network anti-virus software caught it before any harm was done, but it was still embarrasing (and I had a few choice words for the person who'd managed to get one of our development machines infected). Oh, yes - the polo shirt. That would be the Lotus 1-2-3 shirt I got as part of that project. We were offered a choice of sizes: S, M or L. For some strange reason the Lotus guys weren't amused when I asked if I could get one in XL ... (Think about it; what was the Microsoft competing product?) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: was Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7...now looking for a 6x7 lens
At 12:12 PM 12/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I need to find an affordable lens. Preferably 45 or 65 mm, but ultimately I'll get whatever I can afford to get me started. James, maybe send this mob an email: http://www.cameraelectronic.com.au/ (Don't pay much notice of their used equipment list. It hasn't been updated in a long while.) They're a Perth based camera store with an emphasis on pro hardware. I haven't been there in a while, but the last time I was (late last year) they had 2 display cases full of second hand Pentax 6x7 bodies lenses. If they do send you a list of what they have in stock there is something your interested in, they won't ship, let me know. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Mini PDML LONDON
On Oct 12, 2006, at 6:24 AM, David Mann wrote: On Oct 11, 2006, at 9:49 PM, mike wilson wrote: I shall be about 11,000m overhead about eight hours before. I'll be about 12,700km directly below. About as far away as I could possibly be :) Somehow, I feel that both your presences will be felt now. ! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/11 Wed PM 11:29:18 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: The JCO survey Cotty wrote: On 11/10/06, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: Dude, don't attribute that shite to me. That was your buddy JCO. Apologies, I should have cropped the attribution line. What a cant I am. Is that because you prefer to use Immanuel-focus cameras? Think before you reply to that. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
The truly amazing thing about JCO is how his raving stupidity can dominate the list. This same discussion is going on in four separate threads currently to the tune of about 1000 message posts where he keeps making the same lunatic, fanatic insistence on this idiotic subject. And people keep responding to him. Are you all crazy now? Regards the survey: I would *pay* Pentax not to ever put that fucking antique artifact back into anything. Or to remove it if they were even thinking about resurrecting it. I might even pay them to collect all old bodies that have it and destroy them once and for all so that JCO can go rant on the Canon forum about FD lenses. I've had enough of this bullshit. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
Ugh - every time I get on the computer the little window pops up I just x'ed out of it - I dont' even know how to set it on auto update but auto anything always worries me. I guess I've seen too many people on AOL badgered by pop-ups - I used to have an AOL account as a back-up - GAWD was that awful. I'd like to be able to tell the difference between security updates and silly fancy stuff I dont want, though. Hi Ann, you must be careful not to put yourself into the worst of all worlds. You admit to knowing very little about using the operating system (and there's no real reason why you should know it in much detail), yet you are not using the facilities which are designed for people in your position. If you don't use auto-updates then you must either leave your system un-updated and therefore increasingly vulnerable, or you must go to the update site yourself and decide for yourself which updates to take - but as you say above you can't tell the difference between the useful stuff and the rubbish. In other words, you're leaving the whole thing to the will of fate. This is like somebody running a car who doesn't know anything about motor maintenance saying they won't put oil and water in it because they've seen too many people pour them into the wrong tanks. Like many of the people on this list, I know a great deal about computers, and like many of them I accept all of the auto-updates. It's a smart system - it won't try to update software you don't have. I use all of the latest Microsoft Office products, including Outlook and Internet Explorer, both at home and at work; despite what a lot of very ignorant people say, they are safe and reliable - billions of dollars around the globe depend on it. I simply don't have security problems with them. No viruses or popups or any of the nasties because I take the simple, basic security precautions. Bill Gates didn't get to be the richest person on the planet by being stupid and ignoring his customers' needs. It's not in Microsoft's interests to mess you around and they have been very responsive since the bad security problems a few years ago. There are bound to be scares and problems in the future - it's inevitable with any complex software - but basic risk management, including appropriate back-up and restore policies, will mitigate these problems. Ignoring them, keeping yourself in ignorance, and listening to old wives' tales and scare stories will not. I'm sure your local library or community will have free or cheap computer awareness courses that will help you gain a better understanding of how to protect your computer. Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
Ann, the update screen gives you the option of Express Update, which does everything for you, or Custom Update, which of course let's you pick and choose. The list of updates _always_ describes the update and advises on the level of importance, critical or otherwise. For automatic updates scheduled at night, you won't usually be aware of anything except sometimes the system will be re-booted for you, so that you have to restart your favourite run-all-the-time stuff. If you simply wait for a notification before updating, it's just a discreet message which you can choose to ignore for as long as you like. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions SNIP Ugh - every time I get on the computer the little window pops up I just x'ed out of it - I dont' even know how to set it on auto update but auto anything always worries me. I guess I've seen too many people on AOL badgered by pop-ups - I used to have an AOL account as a back-up - GAWD was that awful. I'd like to be able to tell the difference between security updates and silly fancy stuff I dont want, though. ann - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions In a message dated 10/9/2006 8:51:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hvae no credit cards listed on the web, fortunately. I dont buy ANYTHING on line - well, I did once or twice, but I avoid it as a whole. IF someone tried to take large amounts of money from my bank account they would be in for a big surprise! LOL! I dont use explorer - I took it off the desktop so I couldnt even hit it by mistake. I installed Firefox right away. While much of what you say I'm sure is right, I can't even fathom it... When I get on line I only go to my personal homepage, my cafepress store, photo.net, ebay and craigslist. or to look at pics you guys put up. I never go to any sites have anything to do with entertainment or sports - I don't open attachments or forwarded mail. And I'm keeping my old dial up account for email - for a while at least. ann === That will cover most security holes, ann. It really well -- common sense is always the best defense. :-) I do think, however, some of the MS updates are worth it. The first ones, later ones often have to do with Outlook and IE. If one doesn't use them the risk is much, much less. Especially Outlook. It doesn't hurt to go to the update page occasionally and look over the patches. One can pick and choose which to install. Many are useless for a majority of us. I highly recommend though, that you create a system restore point before downloading/installing any update. Go to help on your XP menu bar, then Pick a Task, then Tools, then System Restore, then Set a Restore Point. That saves the current state of your computer so you can set it back if something goes wrong. Actually it's not a bad idea to do it before installing any new program. I forget and don't do it enough. I've probably accepted about 6-8 updates since I started with XP about four-five years ago. Many are to plug security holes in Outlook, so I don't bother with those. Some are foreign language patches, and I don't need those. And some are to plug holes in IE, which I do use occasionally, rarely, but occasionally, so I evaluate those on a case by case basis and see if I think one or another is important or not. And occasionally there is one that is more general, not applying to either Outlook or I.E., and helpful. Yous take yous choice. But always create a restore point first. Avast isn't bad. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
and if you look at the prices of the other MF digitals in that list, it's _very_ competitive John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake! In a message dated 10/11/2006 4:28:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone seen this. http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Oct06/showpage.taf?page=BG69 It must be a mistake OTOH I really hope its true :-) That simply has to be a misprint. If it isn't I'm buying one == I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that was the price. Pentax seems to have wised up on how to make money over the last few years. Actually, as has been suggested, investing in some older MF glass definitely looks like a very good idea. :-) Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
At 03:59 PM 12/10/2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The truly amazing thing about JCO is how his raving stupidity can dominate the list. This same discussion is going on in four separate threads currently to the tune of about 1000 message posts where he keeps making the same lunatic, fanatic insistence on this idiotic subject. And people keep responding to him. Are you all crazy now? Are you all crazy now? Damn straight. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Joseph Tainter wrote: Well, buyers can't turn to Sigma for lenses. As long as they don't lose money on the cameras, or don't lose too much, they have a captive market for lenses. The only competition is used lenses. Ah, but they know what to do about that, don't they? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO - :-}
Fra: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/11/06, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just another street photograph. Office friendly? Depends on someones sense of humor... http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=264755 I work in a very unfriendly office, so I guess it's of no import. Can't say the photo does much for me (unusual for yours, Dag), but neither am I offended. Thanks Frank, I see what you meen. Usually I leave a little bit more to the imagination. I just liked the humor and intensity of these guys... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, that's it, I cracked.
I agree. I like the 21mm and want the 70mm, but the 40mm is too small. If I buy anything in that range I'll buy the 43mm, as it is about the same size as the 21 and 70. DagT Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] The DA21/3.2 Limited isn't very pancake. It's a nice, compact lens with excellent quality performance. The DA40/2.8 Limited is the only true pancake lens. It's too small to be useful for me. Godfrey On Oct 10, 2006, at 3:01 PM, gfen wrote: The downside is I don't want pancake lenses, I want larger units with some holding space on 'em. And I want that 21mm faster than 3.2. I'd trade off the pancake ability for another 1.5 or 2 stops of speed at the same price point, but what do I know? I mostly make this up as I go along... As for a 70/2.4? Eh, whatever. An FA50/1.4 will probably be under cost and 1.33 stops faster. Again, maybe the little pancake thing appeals to someone, somewhere, but it ain't me. Its the right direction, but not what I'm looking for exactly (then again, what I'm mostly looking for is something to complain about). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Mini PDML LONDON
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/12 Thu AM 05:24:57 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Mini PDML LONDON On Oct 11, 2006, at 9:49 PM, mike wilson wrote: I shall be about 11,000m overhead about eight hours before. I'll be about 12,700km directly below. About as far away as I could possibly be :) Only if you desire to remain on the planet. Stick-in-the-mud. 8-) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Dude, don't attribute that shite to me. That was your buddy JCO. Apologies, I should have cropped the attribution line. What a cant I am. Is that because you prefer to use Immanuel-focus cameras? Think before you reply to that. Another Hume-erous pun thread! Well, I suppose it's all grist to the Mill, but top Marx for intellectual content - it should Locke out the ignorant. Got to go now - I've Descartes loads of stuff to buy and my Schopenhauer is between 9.30 and 10.30. Bob (p.s. I'd like to apologise for that last one) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/12 Thu AM 08:40:58 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: The JCO survey Dude, don't attribute that shite to me. That was your buddy JCO. Apologies, I should have cropped the attribution line. What a cant I am. Is that because you prefer to use Immanuel-focus cameras? Think before you reply to that. Another Hume-erous pun thread! Well, I suppose it's all grist to the Mill, but top Marx for intellectual content - it should Locke out the ignorant. Got to go now - I've Descartes loads of stuff to buy and my Schopenhauer is between 9.30 and 10.30. Bob (p.s. I'd like to apologise for that last one) No need. Just don't forget your Chopin Liszt. (_now_ you can apologise) - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/12 Thu AM 08:26:22 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake! On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Joseph Tainter wrote: Well, buyers can't turn to Sigma for lenses. As long as they don't lose money on the cameras, or don't lose too much, they have a captive market for lenses. The only competition is used lenses. Ah, but they know what to do about that, don't they? Somehow, I don't think Pentax will play that game with a market containing such a high level of pro users. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: was Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7...now looking for a 6x7 lens
Thanks mate. I'll check them out. - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: Re: was Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7...now looking for a 6x7 lens At 12:12 PM 12/10/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I need to find an affordable lens. Preferably 45 or 65 mm, but ultimately I'll get whatever I can afford to get me started. James, maybe send this mob an email: http://www.cameraelectronic.com.au/ (Don't pay much notice of their used equipment list. It hasn't been updated in a long while.) They're a Perth based camera store with an emphasis on pro hardware. I haven't been there in a while, but the last time I was (late last year) they had 2 display cases full of second hand Pentax 6x7 bodies lenses. If they do send you a list of what they have in stock there is something your interested in, they won't ship, let me know. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
On 12/10/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've made an interesting point, perhaps without even realizing it. It's quite possible that JCO and others have never bought any new Pentax gear. It's also quite possible that many of the others who are protesting and making noise many not have bought any new Pentax gear, or perhaps just a few items. A lot of us, in order to be able to support our habit and our hobby, have purchased much of our gear on the used market. And at least one of us purchased the most new lenses they had in one swoop when the original FF digital body with aperture support was announced only to be sorely disappointed that it was pulled then again some considerable time later when it was revealed that it was replaced with a cropped body which didn't recognize the aperture ring position. Yay Pentax. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, that's it, I cracked.
On 12/10/06, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I like the 21mm and want the 70mm, but the 40mm is too small. If I buy anything in that range I'll buy the 43mm, as it is about the same size as the 21 and 70. You may have to trawl eBay for one soon. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
On 12/10/06, Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen this. http://www.rangefindermag.com/magazine/Oct06/showpage.taf?page=BG69 It must be a mistake OTOH I really hope its true :-) Shoot me down in flames but I think it's utter BS, if they could do that then why the hell isn't there a FF 35mm body for US$1299? -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
On Oct 12, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Cotty wrote: On 11/10/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William, one of your best posts ever. I totally agree. Clive Staples Lewis, The Chronicles of Narnia ... paraphrasing Aslan: 'All men find what they truly seek, whether or not they know what that is or realize that they seek it.' Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Go screw yourself. If you don't like the thread(s) Don't read them or are you too stupid to figure That out? I didn't start all these threads Especially the one with my name in it so don't Blame me. And for your information Wiliam Robb Introduced FD lenses into the discussion not me. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 4:00 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The JCO survey The truly amazing thing about JCO is how his raving stupidity can dominate the list. This same discussion is going on in four separate threads currently to the tune of about 1000 message posts where he keeps making the same lunatic, fanatic insistence on this idiotic subject. And people keep responding to him. Are you all crazy now? Regards the survey: I would *pay* Pentax not to ever put that fucking antique artifact back into anything. Or to remove it if they were even thinking about resurrecting it. I might even pay them to collect all old bodies that have it and destroy them once and for all so that JCO can go rant on the Canon forum about FD lenses. I've had enough of this bullshit. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Go screw yourself. Just want to spread some more of your perverse joy, don't you JCO? Haven't I told you that you are kill-filed to my trash bucket, JCO? I know exactly how many posts you've made on this subject .. all I have to do is open the trash bucket and it gives me a count. I usually just empty the trash when I see your name in it as I know the contents aren't worth the bits they're represented with. Deleting all your posts doesn't stop the excess of stupid messages my mail server has to process, however. Now shut the fuck up and hide back under your rock where you belong. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/12 Thu AM 09:06:50 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux On Oct 12, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Cotty wrote: On 11/10/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William, one of your best posts ever. I totally agree. Clive Staples Lewis, The Chronicles of Narnia ... paraphrasing Aslan: 'All men find what they truly seek, whether or not they know what that is or realize that they seek it.' WR = a talking lion. I can live with that. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Cotty wrote: On 11/10/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William, one of your best posts ever. I totally agree. Much as I hate being a me too, I must because you got there first, Cotty! I think William hit the nail on the head, squarely and properly. Great analysis and a cogent explanation! ZYes, well done... keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/12 Thu AM 09:57:32 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: The JCO survey Go screw yourself. Just want to spread some more of your perverse joy, don't you JCO? Haven't I told you that you are kill-filed to my trash bucket, JCO? I know exactly how many posts you've made on this subject .. all I have to do is open the trash bucket and it gives me a count. I usually just empty the trash when I see your name in it as I know the contents aren't worth the bits they're represented with. Deleting all your posts doesn't stop the excess of stupid messages my mail server has to process, however. Now shut the fuck up and hide back under your rock where you belong. Have to disagree with you there. Whilst I disagree strongly with JCO's presentation of his argument, I defend absolutely his right to say it. As should you and JC. Without that right, this list is pointless. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Open letter to Marnie Eactivist
Ann Sanfedele wrote: keith_w wrote: Hey, Marnie... Your mailbox is full. It won't take any more messages! I have a message for you! AOL keeps sending it back to me. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Okay - there msut be something I'm missing, KEith - if your letters are bouncing - arent the ones to PDML bouncing too? ann No, why would they be? I don't know that bouncing is the proper term, but... When I send a message to the PDML I don't have to go thru AOL. When I try to send a message to Marnie, I MUST go thru AOL. Only when I try to put a message in Marnie's AOL mailbox, do I get the message that her mailbox is full and no more can be put in it, so AOL is just telling me that. A bounce is when AOL doesn't like to receive mail from me, for whatever reason, so it refuses to accept it. In this case that is not true. Apparently something has to be reset at AOL, and I think Marnie has to do that by reading mail that remains marked as 'unread', or, by deleting previously read mail to get it off the server. So I think...might be wrong. keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Clive Staples Lewis, The Chronicles of Narnia ... paraphrasing Aslan: 'All men find what they truly seek, whether or not they know what that is or realize that they seek it.' the usual high-sounding, portentous and utterly meaningless crap from CS Lewis then. -- Cheers, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
What would you take?
G'day All, I'm going up north tomorrow (Dampier) for work. I'm only up there for the day (carry on bag only) and a couple of hours work to do. So when I'm done my times pretty much my own until the flight back. That being the case I thought I might take a light kit (ie D + 1 lens) up with me just in case there's something worth taking pictures of (just think marine infrastructure, read earth, 36 degrees C no golden hour). The question is if I do decide to, which lens to take? - FA 50mm f1.4 - FA 31mm f1.8 - FA 77mm f1.8 - FA 100mm f2.8 - FA 28-105mm f4-5.6 - DA 16-45 f4.0 Of those, which would be your preferred choice? Or should I just stick with the work supplied compact (Canon Digital IXUS 50) that I'm taking anyway? To make this more interesting, what do you take when travelling light and you're not sure what photo opportunities may arise? Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Have to disagree with you there. Whilst I disagree strongly with JCO's presentation of his argument, I defend absolutely his right to say it. As should you and JC. Without that right, this list is pointless. What is this, the Internet Civil Rights Movement? This is about a troll, not free speech. JCO says the same damn things over and over and then abuses anyone who dares disagree with him. If these things happened in real life, he'd probably be thrown in jail for assault. If I were the list owner, I'd ban him for life. All JCO does around here is add more noise to the list, and with the amount of traffic this community generates already, the less noise the better. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Mark! (The whole thing.) Bill, you've obviously given this a bit of though. Well said. Dave On 10/12/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's sad, you know. snip We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What would you take?
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/12 Thu AM 10:26:47 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: What would you take? G'day All, I'm going up north tomorrow (Dampier) for work. I'm only up there for the day (carry on bag only) and a couple of hours work to do. So when I'm done my times pretty much my own until the flight back. That being the case I thought I might take a light kit (ie D + 1 lens) up with me just in case there's something worth taking pictures of (just think marine infrastructure, read earth, 36 degrees C no golden hour). The question is if I do decide to, which lens to take? - FA 50mm f1.4 - FA 31mm f1.8 - FA 77mm f1.8 - FA 100mm f2.8 - FA 28-105mm f4-5.6 - DA 16-45 f4.0 Of those, which would be your preferred choice? Or should I just stick with the work supplied compact (Canon Digital IXUS 50) that I'm taking anyway? To make this more interesting, what do you take when travelling light and you're not sure what photo opportunities may arise? LX, M24-35, M50/1.4, 90/2.8macro, AF280T. 500/8 if I think I might need it. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/12 Thu AM 10:53:54 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: The JCO survey Have to disagree with you there. Whilst I disagree strongly with JCO's presentation of his argument, I defend absolutely his right to say it. As should you and JC. Without that right, this list is pointless. What is this, the Internet Civil Rights Movement? This is about a troll, not free speech. JCO says the same damn things over and over and then abuses anyone who dares disagree with him. If these things happened in real life, he'd probably be thrown in jail for assault. If I were the list owner, I'd ban him for life. All JCO does around here is add more noise to the list, and with the amount of traffic this community generates already, the less noise the better. So stop replying.. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, John Celio wrote: This is about a troll He is on topic. Feel free to ignore or kill-file him. If I were the list owner Nope, I won't say it. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What would you take?
Op Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:26:47 +0200 schreef David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip That being the case I thought I might take a light kit (ie D + 1 lens) up with me just in case there's something worth taking pictures of (just think marine infrastructure, read earth, 36 degrees C no golden hour). The question is if I do decide to, which lens to take? I'd say a normal (the 31?), but if 'Marine infrastructure' means a harbour you could use something with some reach, the FA 28-105 probably. Or longer. Or should I just stick with the work supplied compact (Canon Digital IXUS 50) that I'm taking anyway? Nah. You could choose a lens that complements the Ixus, though. To make this more interesting, what do you take when travelling light and you're not sure what photo opportunities may arise? MZ-50 + FA28-70/4 or the SuperProgram and one or two primes. Which ones depends on the destination, mood, whim, etc... -- Regards, Lucas Rijnders. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Wanted to buy - Pentax 6x7
That is a good deal. I paid 3 times that for my 6x7 with MLU and metered prisim in 2002. I have only two lenses for it, the 90 leaf and the 200 smc tak f4. I would like to get a 300, but its not high on my list, just yet.:-) I find both these lenses are very good and sharp. My 200 F 4 i bought from ebay in 2003, for $200 US. It was a great price and i was suprised to win the auction. Quess no one saw it. Its my favorite lens. I highly reccomend these two. Dave --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I just won an MLU 67 with metered prism for USD$321. Shipping will be another USD$68. The body looks to be in very good condition from the photos on the listing, and it is a business seller. I think it's a reasonable price, although I still have to find the money for a lens. :( Quoting Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There was a pdmler that used to post here named Aaron. He was talking about giving up his 6x7 gear because the upcoming K10D was soo good. ;) rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to buy on Ebay drives me nuts. I had a body lined up in the US. The auction had ended and the seller agreed to relist at a price I'd offered with buy it now. I watched and waited for several days for him to get around to it. He finally did it...in the middle of the night Australian time. Of course, by the time I got up and saw it, someone else had bought it. :/ I'm watching a lot of other auctions, but between ridiculously high prices and dodgy sellers, it's not looking too good. Is there anyone on the list who'd like to part with any Pentax 6x7 gear? I want a body with MLU, pref a prism, but waist level finder is ok. I will also want one lens to start with, pref wide angle. My budget isn't huge, but is realisticat least to get a body and finder. If I can't get a decent 67, then I'll get 645 gear, but 67 is my preference. Let me know. Thanks James Messervy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What would you take?
Op Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:26:47 +0200 schreef David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To make this more interesting, what do you take when travelling light and you're not sure what photo opportunities may arise? SFXn and F35-135 when concerned I may lose them. MZ-S and 24-90 otherwise (except if reach is expected, when I take the F70-210). I am just playing odds; I know these lenses will produce decent pictures for my liking (except perhaps for the occasionally strange bokeh of the 35-135). Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What would you take?
David Savage wrote: G'day All, I'm going up north tomorrow (Dampier) for work. I'm only up there for the day (carry on bag only) and a couple of hours work to do. So when I'm done my times pretty much my own until the flight back. That being the case I thought I might take a light kit (ie D + 1 lens) up with me just in case there's something worth taking pictures of (just think marine infrastructure, read earth, 36 degrees C no golden hour). The question is if I do decide to, which lens to take? - FA 50mm f1.4 - FA 31mm f1.8 - FA 77mm f1.8 - FA 100mm f2.8 - FA 28-105mm f4-5.6 - DA 16-45 f4.0 Of those, which would be your preferred choice? Or should I just stick with the work supplied compact (Canon Digital IXUS 50) that I'm taking anyway? To make this more interesting, what do you take when travelling light and you're not sure what photo opportunities may arise? Cheers, Dave I'd probably go for the 28-105, just to cover the bases. Otherwise, the 50. My standard light kit is my Nikon EM and 35/2.5 and 100/2.8 Series E lenses. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Well, that's it, I cracked.
Fra: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/10/06, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I like the 21mm and want the 70mm, but the 40mm is too small. If I buy anything in that range I'll buy the 43mm, as it is about the same size as the 21 and 70. You may have to trawl eBay for one soon. I know, but I've already got both FA35 2.0 and FA50 1.4, so I don't really need a 43mm (or 40mm). At least, that's what I'm trying to tell myself... DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another Aperture Simulator Survey
134 Dario - Original Message - From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:47 AM Subject: Another Aperture Simulator Survey Simple question: How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you think Pentax will lose by not including the Aperture Simulator feature? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Cotty wrote: On 11/10/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William, one of your best posts ever. I totally agree. Indeed. As i read it I kept thinking Ooh, that's a good line for the 2006 quote list, but there got to be so many of them I decided Ah, screw it - just archive the whole post. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Cory Papenfuss wrote: only aids in the death-knell of the K-mount. Death knell? Dude, it is far from dying. As a matter of fact, I'd say the k-mount is flourishing more than it has in 20 years. 5 or 6 *ist varieties (at least three distinct bodies) plus 3 new kXX[X]D bodies in the last couple of years that are selling well and have been well received is anything but a funeral procession. And don't forget to add in all the new lenses (some of actual high quality). sheesh, get over it already. When I say K-mount, I mean K-mount by the strict definition... which includes the aperture simulator cam. That was one of the primary initial technologies that constituted the K-mount in '75. The current mount should be called the crippled K-mount as many have suggested. And yes... the crippled K-mount is doing well. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: snip I've had enough of this bullshit. Well, not quite as good as Bill Robb's post but a close second place! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: RE: The JCO survey
mike wilson wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another Hume-erous pun thread! Well, I suppose it's all grist to the Mill, but top Marx for intellectual content - it should Locke out the ignorant. Got to go now - I've Descartes loads of stuff to buy and my Schopenhauer is between 9.30 and 10.30. Bob (p.s. I'd like to apologise for that last one) No need. Just don't forget your Chopin Liszt. And remember you can save money if you Hegel with the sellers for a lower price. (_now_ you can apologise) No, *I'll* apologise now... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
The new format is what did it for me. That and being able to take advantage of auto focus, which my old K lenses didn't do very well. William Robb Right. The merits of new lenses are more than adequate to stand on their own. No forced deprication should be necessary. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
I'm thinking more in terms of ratio of responses than absolute numbers. So far it looks like about 70 percent of the respondents think that k/m lens compatibility would be _HIGHLY_ desirable in a flagship body. Of course, the more people that respond, the more likely the results extrapolate to the other myriads of experienced Pentax users who have better things to do than wade through the daily PDML. Get your vote out there, lurkers and occasional posters! graywolf wrote: If they don't they are marketing imbeciles. Oh, wait, this is Pentax we are talking about... Look at it this way there are about 600 regular list members, and sometimes as many as 1800 counting the floaters who come and go. Now if each of them has some influence on what 10 friends and reletives buy that is a substantial number of sales to be won or lost based upon what this list thinks. We are in fact Pentax's flag-wavers what we think is important, whatever they think. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Another Aperture Simulator Survey
On 10/12/06, Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simple question: How many K10D sales (total worldwide) do you think Pentax will lose by not including the Aperture Simulator feature? 0. I don't think Pentax will be able to meet the demand, at only 13000 units/month. -- Best regards, Alex Sarbu -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The Economics of Lenses (was Re: Stakeout)
When I posted my comment I knew that there would be several people speaking up about the new gear they purchased. But my point was - and still is - that many of the loudest critics may not have purchased much, if any, new Pentax gear. Frankly, my feeling is that if you purchased gear on the come, you made a mistake. Long, long ago I learned a valuable lesson: just because someone says they're going to do something doesn't mean that they'll do it. My first real estate transaction was going to net me a commission of more than $30,000. We opened escrow, and I bought a car. I told a relative about the deal and he said Don't spend your money until escrow closes. I knew what he meant, but had already spent the $$. A few weeks later the deal fell apart and I was in worse shape than before. While I can certainly empathize with you, it was your mistake and not Pentax letting _you_ down that caused your grief. Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio And at least one of us purchased the most new lenses they had in one swoop when the original FF digital body with aperture support was announced only to be sorely disappointed that it was pulled then again some considerable time later when it was revealed that it was replaced with a cropped body which didn't recognize the aperture ring position. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What would you take?
I would take the zoom and the 31/1.8. My light kit depends on what I'm going to be doing. If I know I'm going to want to shoot indoors, I'll take the FA 35/2 and maybe the DA 12-24. If I'm gong to be shooting outdoors, I'll usually take the DA 16-45 and the DA 50-200. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Savage wrote: G'day All, I'm going up north tomorrow (Dampier) for work. I'm only up there for the day (carry on bag only) and a couple of hours work to do. So when I'm done my times pretty much my own until the flight back. That being the case I thought I might take a light kit (ie D + 1 lens) up with me just in case there's something worth taking pictures of (just think marine infrastructure, read earth, 36 degrees C no golden hour). The question is if I do decide to, which lens to take? - FA 50mm f1.4 - FA 31mm f1.8 - FA 77mm f1.8 - FA 100mm f2.8 - FA 28-105mm f4-5.6 - DA 16-45 f4.0 Of those, which would be your preferred choice? Or should I just stick with the work supplied compact (Canon Digital IXUS 50) that I'm taking anyway? To make this more interesting, what do you take when travelling light and you're not sure what photo opportunities may arise? Cheers, Dave I'd probably go for the 28-105, just to cover the bases. Otherwise, the 50. My standard light kit is my Nikon EM and 35/2.5 and 100/2.8 Series E lenses. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What would you take?
My rule of thumb is, when in doubt of what you'll shoot, always take a fast lens. I could count on the fingers of one hand the times I've not taken a 50/1.4 with me. All my other lenses are f2.8 or slower, though. David Savage wrote: G'day All, I'm going up north tomorrow (Dampier) for work. I'm only up there for the day (carry on bag only) and a couple of hours work to do. So when I'm done my times pretty much my own until the flight back. That being the case I thought I might take a light kit (ie D + 1 lens) up with me just in case there's something worth taking pictures of (just think marine infrastructure, read earth, 36 degrees C no golden hour). The question is if I do decide to, which lens to take? - FA 50mm f1.4 - FA 31mm f1.8 - FA 77mm f1.8 - FA 100mm f2.8 - FA 28-105mm f4-5.6 - DA 16-45 f4.0 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
More 645D musing
I still think it's either a misprint or misinformation, but if the 645D does come in under $2000 I'll be cancelling my K10D order :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux - a change to cut down on list traffic
In order to cut down on list traffic, anyone still wanting to respond should, perhaps, email me privately. I notice old antagonisms developing as a result of my little survey. It was not my intention to provide an arena for that. In a few days I'll present a final summary and a request for any corrections or additions, again asking for an off-list response. I'm hoping, biased as I am, that the results will provide a little incentive for full k-mount compatibility in any future flagship DLSR. My reasons are of course, selfish. When the divorce went through, wifey took all the F/FA stuff and some A lenses and the AF bodies, and I kept all the K/M stuff a few A lenses, and the manual focus bodies. She kept the p-TTL flashes, I got the TTL and manual flashes. I'd like a DLSR, but I'd sure hate to replace all my lenses as long as I can see welll enough to manual focus. But I suspect I'd buy at least a wide AF prime or zoom along with the flagship. My list traffic always shows subscribers email addresses; the one that shows up in my posts is the one to contact me with. Keep those opinions coming, folks. Hopefully off-list. -Lon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Op Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:55:05 +0200 schreef Lon Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip Of course, the more people that respond, the more likely the results extrapolate to the other myriads of experienced Pentax users who have better things to do than wade through the daily PDML. Get your vote out there, lurkers and occasional posters! Hmmm, if I would buy a flagship body (which I won't), I'd want the matching USM-AF lenses as well, I think. I generally prefer to use lenses on the bodies they were made for: that seems to work best. So make that a no for me. On a specific manual focus D-SLR it would of course be mandatory. But I doubt one is in the works. Now, do you really think I just made your query more representative? -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
On Oct 11, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Seems like a price like that on a high Megapixel camera would really turn some heads. Like you, I was quite surprised about the K10D. Perhaps Pentax is aware that a medium format digital that is priced as high as the Canon full frames just may not sell very well. This could get very interesting if it were true. It's not. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Open letter to Marnie Eactivist
Friends don't let friends use AOL. Bob On Oct 12, 2006, at 6:32 AM, keith_w wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: keith_w wrote: Hey, Marnie... Your mailbox is full. It won't take any more messages! I have a message for you! AOL keeps sending it back to me. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Okay - there msut be something I'm missing, KEith - if your letters are bouncing - arent the ones to PDML bouncing too? ann No, why would they be? I don't know that bouncing is the proper term, but... When I send a message to the PDML I don't have to go thru AOL. When I try to send a message to Marnie, I MUST go thru AOL. Only when I try to put a message in Marnie's AOL mailbox, do I get the message that her mailbox is full and no more can be put in it, so AOL is just telling me that. A bounce is when AOL doesn't like to receive mail from me, for whatever reason, so it refuses to accept it. In this case that is not true. Apparently something has to be reset at AOL, and I think Marnie has to do that by reading mail that remains marked as 'unread', or, by deleting previously read mail to get it off the server. So I think...might be wrong. keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux - a change to cut down on list traffic
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Lon Williamson wrote: I'd like a DLSR, but I'd sure hate to replace all my lenses as long as I can see welll enough to manual focus. If you are to trust the AF blind, you may as well trust the focussing indicator, available with MF as well. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:00:57 -0400 (EDT), Mark Roberts wrote: On 11/10/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William, one of your best posts ever. I totally agree. Indeed. As i read it I kept thinking Ooh, that's a good line for the 2006 quote list, but there got to be so many of them I decided Ah, screw it - just archive the whole post. :) Full ack, well said Bill! JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: hand held meters
On Oct 11, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Bill Owens wrote: Odd that this thread got started at the same time I started playing with my father's GE PR-1 selenium meter. Over 50 years old and still works as good as new. I have my dad's old Weston Master III here on my desk. He used it for many years, and it still works just fine. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: More 645D musing
Mark, such a price stands neither in Heaven nor on Earth! Dario - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: More 645D musing I still think it's either a misprint or misinformation, but if the 645D does come in under $2000 I'll be cancelling my K10D order :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
is there ever a time when people haven't had enough bullshit? Is there some demand for bullshit such that at some arbitrary time it has not yet been satisfied? Does anybody ever say Give me more bullshit, I have spare capacity? Surely the statement I've had enough of this bullshit is always true, for any value of bullshit, n'est ce pas? Isn't it true by the definition of 'bullshit' that you, me, Princess Caroline, we've all had enough of it? Or am I just bullshitting? -- Cheers, Bob Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: snip I've had enough of this bullshit. Well, not quite as good as Bill Robb's post but a close second place! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/10/2006 10:58:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm still greek -- it doesn't ask for a time or date - it just says give it a name - that I can find later har! == It's slightly different from it used to be in previous Windows versions. When you give it a name, then I think it sets the restore point from the time and day you are doing it. But can't swear to that, since it's been a while since I've done it. It may allow you to set a date and time after you give a name. Basically, it means that if something goes wrong, you can go to system restore and set it back. As in, label Ilikeitnow and then if you download an XP update and don't like it, you can go back and restore it to Ilikeitnow. Well worth creating some restore points, just for that. Marnie Got it - I think :) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
Bob Shell wrote: On Oct 11, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Seems like a price like that on a high Megapixel camera would really turn some heads. Like you, I was quite surprised about the K10D. Perhaps Pentax is aware that a medium format digital that is priced as high as the Canon full frames just may not sell very well. This could get very interesting if it were true. It's not. My guess is that the sensor itself (with no camera around it) sells for about $2000! I was hoping to travel to Rochester this weekend (for a race) and ask my contact at Kodak for an approximate price for the sensor, but it turns out I won't be able to go. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
On Oct 12, 2006, at 5:26 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: Shoot me down in flames but I think it's utter BS, if they could do that then why the hell isn't there a FF 35mm body for US$1299? I agree. It's probably a typo and was supposed to be $ 10,999. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Put my name on the aperture arm in a digital camera. If Pentax won't do it, perhaps its partner, Samsung, would do it. I would consider a Samsung with this feature over a Pentax without it. I would to that in a heartbeat. I shoot RAW, and am forced to shoot in M on my -DS (due to the repeatedly abused subject of missing aperture simulator) with the bulk of my lenses S/K/M. Most of the features are useless... so whatever body gives me the best bang for the buck as this light-proof box to hold digital film is the one that I'd use. You do pose an interesting question though. Maybe that would be another interesting survey... who would buy a Samsung body over a Pentax body if the only difference was the Samsung had the aperture coupler? How does brand loyalty affect the fence sitters vs. those who are willing to accept any and all decisions Pentax makes? -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Strict definition? Is there a Pentax dictionary somewhere that defines what a K-mount lens is? What a lot of people seem to be overlooking - or at least ignoring - in these threads is that the K-mount has evolved. It now allows for auto focus, passing information to the camera body, it makes it possible to record EXIF data, and it's going to allow the use of the new DA* lenses with hypersonic auto focus. Might it be possible that there's only so much room within the lens mount design that in order to have these new features, and the K/M lenses, the aperture simulator had to go? While it would be nice if I could use my K/M lenses a little more conveniently, and I do want the aperture simulator to return, I'm happy to give it up if it means that there will be newer, more advanced lenses to use on newer, more advanced cameras. I don't want to keep looking back - I want to look forward to more interesting developments in lens and camera technology. We're in a new age of photography - it's exciting and dynamic, and Pentax seems to be on the verge of a renaissance. I'd like to see it emerge fully from the past decade or so of being a photographic has-been and also-ran and move forward, and perhaps even set the pace, in this decade. It ain't 1975 any more. Shel [Original Message] From: Cory Papenfuss Death knell? Dude, it is far from dying. As a matter of fact, I'd say the k-mount is flourishing more than it has in 20 years. 5 or 6 *ist varieties (at least three distinct bodies) plus 3 new kXX[X]D bodies in the last couple of years that are selling well and have been well received is anything but a funeral procession. And don't forget to add in all the new lenses (some of actual high quality). When I say K-mount, I mean K-mount by the strict definition... which includes the aperture simulator cam. That was one of the primary initial technologies that constituted the K-mount in '75. The current mount should be called the crippled K-mount as many have suggested. And yes... the crippled K-mount is doing well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What would you take?
Hi! My rule of thumb is, when in doubt of what you'll shoot, always take a fast lens. I could count on the fingers of one hand the times I've not taken a 50/1.4 with me. All my other lenses are f2.8 or slower, though. I'd agree with Lon here. Personally I have a very small photo bag that can hold body with the lens attached, and two more lenses, and of course a spare card, batteries, blower brush... So my go everywhere don't know what to shoot kit is: FAJ 18-35, 43 Ltd (or 50/1.7) and F 70-210... My go everywhere top quality kit is simply all three limited lenses. If I want to go with just one lens it is usually (but not always) 43 Ltd. From the choice given by David, I think I'd choose 31 Limited. On digital body it is almost normal and seems most universal. I wouldn't take any of the zoom lenses due to their slow speed. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: PESO - :-}
On 10/12/06, DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Frank, I see what you meen. Usually I leave a little bit more to the imagination. I just liked the humor and intensity of these guys... I do like his smile... :-) -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
Bob W wrote: Ugh - every time I get on the computer the little window pops up I just x'ed out of it - I dont' even know how to set it on auto update but auto anything always worries me. I guess I've seen too many people on AOL badgered by pop-ups - I used to have an AOL account as a back-up - GAWD was that awful. I'd like to be able to tell the difference between security updates and silly fancy stuff I dont want, though. Hi Ann, you must be careful not to put yourself into the worst of all worlds. You admit to knowing very little about using the operating system (and there's no real reason why you should know it in much detail), yet you are not using the facilities which are designed for people in your position. If you don't use auto-updates then you must either leave your system un-updated and therefore increasingly vulnerable, or you must go to the update site yourself and decide for yourself which updates to take - but as you say above you can't tell the difference between the useful stuff and the rubbish. In other words, you're leaving the whole thing to the will of fate. This is like somebody running a car who doesn't know anything about motor maintenance saying they won't put oil and water in it because they've seen too many people pour them into the wrong tanks. that was before Jiffy-Lube, Bob. :) - If I use the auto stuff I don't have to think about it at all - that's a plus, but if the UPDATES change the way I use the computer, I dont' want them. If all the updates that are automatic are about security, I'm fine with that. But you will forgive me if I have gotten a new computer and within two days I'm getting a message that I should update the system. I won't really be on my new server until tomorrow. I just really hate what the internet has become - another form of entertainment peppered with commercials ad nauseum. Sadly, I have to use it or I'd really be out on the street with a shopping cart. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Umm Hello! It's another moot question! Samsung bodies are, and will always be, re-named Pentax bodies. They will not produce a unique k-mount body. Stop with the surveys and get a grip. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net Cory Papenfuss wrote: Put my name on the aperture arm in a digital camera. If Pentax won't do it, perhaps its partner, Samsung, would do it. I would consider a Samsung with this feature over a Pentax without it. I would to that in a heartbeat. I shoot RAW, and am forced to shoot in M on my -DS (due to the repeatedly abused subject of missing aperture simulator) with the bulk of my lenses S/K/M. Most of the features are useless... so whatever body gives me the best bang for the buck as this light-proof box to hold digital film is the one that I'd use. You do pose an interesting question though. Maybe that would be another interesting survey... who would buy a Samsung body over a Pentax body if the only difference was the Samsung had the aperture coupler? How does brand loyalty affect the fence sitters vs. those who are willing to accept any and all decisions Pentax makes? -Cory -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux - a change to cut down on list traffic
Lon Williamson wrote: I'd like a DLSR, but I'd sure hate to replace all my lenses as long as I can see welll enough to manual focus. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE YOUR LENSES! They DO work on the DSLR bodies. ARGH! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Op Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:45:18 +0200 schreef Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Umm Hello! It's another moot question! Samsung bodies are, and will always be, re-named Pentax bodies. They will not produce a unique k-mount body. Bold statement. Do you have a source for it? I would expect Samsung to design their own bodies after a learning period. It would make more sense for both companies and for the potential customer. Same for lenses: rebadged DA's are quite pointless, a seperate K-mount Schneider lens line would be welcome. -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
John Coyle wrote: Ann, the update screen gives you the option of Express Update, which does everything for you, or Custom Update, which of course let's you pick and choose. The list of updates _always_ describes the update and advises on the level of importance, critical or otherwise. That sounds good... For automatic updates scheduled at night, you won't usually be aware of anything except sometimes the system will be re-booted for you, so that you have to restart your favourite run-all-the-time stuff. Hmmm - How would it know if I wasn't on line? - I disconnect the connection on the new machine unless I need to do something on line. There is nothing on the machine that I ever run all the time that I'm aware off. If you simply wait for a notification before updating, it's just a discreet message which you can choose to ignore for as long as you like. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia Which is what I've done so far... ah now here is a question -- if I ignore them for a month or so, and then pay attention, has it accumualated the things on the list? I've made MOzilla Firefox my default browser, but the one time I was about to let an update in Explorer popped up. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Mark Roberts wrote: mike wilson wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another Hume-erous pun thread! Well, I suppose it's all grist to the Mill, but top Marx for intellectual content - it should Locke out the ignorant. Got to go now - I've Descartes loads of stuff to buy and my Schopenhauer is between 9.30 and 10.30. Bob (p.s. I'd like to apologise for that last one) No need. Just don't forget your Chopin Liszt. And remember you can save money if you Hegel with the sellers for a lower price. (_now_ you can apologise) No, *I'll* apologise now... I'm keeping my kierkegaard up on this thread (duck and run) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Open letter to Marnie Eactivist
Bob Shell wrote: Friends don't let friends use AOL. Hey now! I'm already on edge thinking I'm gonna get cut. Don't make it worse by suggesting more people stop using the service! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The JCO survey
Here y'go Bob ... seems like you cam use this ... http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/bag.jpg Shel [Original Message] From: Bob W is there ever a time when people haven't had enough bullshit? Is there some demand for bullshit such that at some arbitrary time it has not yet been satisfied? Does anybody ever say Give me more bullshit, I have spare capacity? Surely the statement I've had enough of this bullshit is always true, for any value of bullshit, n'est ce pas? Isn't it true by the definition of 'bullshit' that you, me, Princess Caroline, we've all had enough of it? Or am I just bullshitting? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
On Oct 12, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: My guess is that the sensor itself (with no camera around it) sells for about $2000! I was hoping to travel to Rochester this weekend (for a race) and ask my contact at Kodak for an approximate price for the sensor, but it turns out I won't be able to go. I'm sure the sensor costs that much or more. Possibly a lot more. I think that this camera will retail in the $ 10K range. I really would like to be wrong about that, though. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
Well said, Shel. Thanks for responding to that for me! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net Shel Belinkoff wrote: Strict definition? Is there a Pentax dictionary somewhere that defines what a K-mount lens is? What a lot of people seem to be overlooking - or at least ignoring - in these threads is that the K-mount has evolved. It now allows for auto focus, passing information to the camera body, it makes it possible to record EXIF data, and it's going to allow the use of the new DA* lenses with hypersonic auto focus. Might it be possible that there's only so much room within the lens mount design that in order to have these new features, and the K/M lenses, the aperture simulator had to go? While it would be nice if I could use my K/M lenses a little more conveniently, and I do want the aperture simulator to return, I'm happy to give it up if it means that there will be newer, more advanced lenses to use on newer, more advanced cameras. I don't want to keep looking back - I want to look forward to more interesting developments in lens and camera technology. We're in a new age of photography - it's exciting and dynamic, and Pentax seems to be on the verge of a renaissance. I'd like to see it emerge fully from the past decade or so of being a photographic has-been and also-ran and move forward, and perhaps even set the pace, in this decade. It ain't 1975 any more. Shel [Original Message] From: Cory Papenfuss Death knell? Dude, it is far from dying. As a matter of fact, I'd say the k-mount is flourishing more than it has in 20 years. 5 or 6 *ist varieties (at least three distinct bodies) plus 3 new kXX[X]D bodies in the last couple of years that are selling well and have been well received is anything but a funeral procession. And don't forget to add in all the new lenses (some of actual high quality). When I say K-mount, I mean K-mount by the strict definition... which includes the aperture simulator cam. That was one of the primary initial technologies that constituted the K-mount in '75. The current mount should be called the crippled K-mount as many have suggested. And yes... the crippled K-mount is doing well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
Don't they have phones or email in Rochester? Shel [Original Message] From: Mark Roberts My guess is that the sensor itself (with no camera around it) sells for about $2000! I was hoping to travel to Rochester this weekend (for a race) and ask my contact at Kodak for an approximate price for the sensor, but it turns out I won't be able to go. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D Anti-shake
A longer length will over correct for camera movement, if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong about it's just my intuition. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Why? Shel [Original Message] From: P. J. Alling You enter the focal length that you're using, or one shorter than then one you're using, (I can't imagine that a longer length will give good results). Bruce Dayton wrote: Hello John, So what happens when the lens is a zoom? Such as the A 70-210/4? What focal length do you put in? -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: More 645D musing
Except that you will probably have been using your K10D for several months before the 645D becomes available. --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still think it's either a misprint or misinformation, but if the 645D does come in under $2000 I'll be cancelling my K10D order :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Lucas Rijnders (Privé) wrote: Op Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:45:18 +0200 schreef Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Umm Hello! It's another moot question! Samsung bodies are, and will always be, re-named Pentax bodies. They will not produce a unique k-mount body. Bold statement. Do you have a source for it? Of course not; just the same rumor and speculation the rest of you have. The Samsung deal is all about marketing and (hopefully) resources (such as factories, advertising and distribution). I would expect Samsung to design their own bodies after a learning period. Do you have anything to back that up? It would make more sense for both companies and for the potential customer. Same for lenses: rebadged DA's are quite pointless, a seperate K-mount Schneider lens line would be welcome. Re-hashing the Schneider brand is pointless. It's marketing. Who's going to design these lenses if not Pentax (or Tokina/Tamron/Sigma)? I'll put money on it. Samsung/Schneider will ALWAYS be rebranded Pentax bodies and lenses and furthermore, the aperture simulator will NOT return in either of these brands. Seriously, what terms do you want for a wager? -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
But you will forgive me if I have gotten a new computer and within two days I'm getting a message that I should update the system. But, you don't know how many weeks or months your hard drive has been sitting around the Dell factory. Mine did the same thing, and the critical updates were security updates. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Do you have a timer that can measure milliseconds? Bob S. On 10/12/06, John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip We are getting exactly what we deserve, whether we like it or not. William Robb Damn, that was extremely well put. I wonder how long it will take JCO to completely miss the point? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: More 645D musing
Rick Womer wrote: Except that you will probably have been using your K10D for several months before the 645D becomes available. I certainly hope so! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
Great quote...for Mark's list. Bob S. On 10/12/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a group, we are a bunch of cheap ass dumb fucks. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
You do pose an interesting question though. Maybe that would be another interesting survey... who would buy a Samsung body over a Pentax body if the only difference was the Samsung had the aperture coupler? How does brand loyalty affect the fence sitters vs. those who are willing to accept any and all decisions Pentax makes? -Cory Let's not get carried away here. Shrugging off the loss of the aperture simulator is a far cry from accepting any and all decisions. Doug -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The JCO survey
- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: The JCO survey is there ever a time when people haven't had enough bullshit? Is there some demand for bullshit such that at some arbitrary time it has not yet been satisfied? Does anybody ever say Give me more bullshit, I have spare capacity? Surely the statement I've had enough of this bullshit is always true, for any value of bullshit, n'est ce pas? Isn't it true by the definition of 'bullshit' that you, me, Princess Caroline, we've all had enough of it? Or am I just bullshitting? Bob, that's just bullshit. WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
- If I use the auto stuff I don't have to think about it at all - that's a plus, but if the UPDATES change the way I use the computer, I dont' want them. They've never changed the way I use mine. I don't know why you think they would. It's a fundamental principle of good user interface design that you don't mess with somebody's settings without their permission and without resetting them when you're done. Microsoft are generally pretty good at sticking with this, although other companies are pretty shocking sometimes. If all the updates that are automatic are about security, I'm fine with that. I suspect that you can set it up so that it only takes security updates automatically and nothing else. However, that is not guaranteed to be effective for ever. But you will forgive me if I have gotten a new computer and within two days I'm getting a message that I should update the system. This is bound to happen and it's no different in principle from having an 'errata' slip in a book. The software is under continual development for one reason or another and it doesn't take very long before the current version is later than the version that was installed on your new PC - it just wants to bring you up to the latest version. I won't really be on my new server until tomorrow. I just really hate what the internet has become - another form of entertainment peppered with commercials ad nauseum. Me too. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Don't they have phones or email in Rochester? Don't have his home phone and this is not something I'd want him to get into on a work phone or email account. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
