RE: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Bob W
  On 3/2/12, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the rest
  designed
 to fail after a few years; ...
 
 Hmm. I have a simple KitchenAid toaster with wide slots to allow
 bagels to be toasted that I bought in 1985 for $20. Still working just
 fine. It's a cheap piece of tin crap but it just keeps on toasting.
 

My butler and housekeeper take care of my toastage needs. I'm informed there
is a 'kitchen' somewhere in the east wing.

B


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Re: PESO: Whale's Tale

2012-02-05 Thread David Mann
On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15111375

I bet that's a very nice thing to witness.

There's a small sculpture of a whale tail on the Wellington waterfront along 
Oriental Parade.  I came across it while running and took a cellphone photo 
because I was thinking of using that motif in making my headphone stand.

I eventually decided I wasn't anywhere near skilled enough to attempt such an 
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Re: PESO: 'Iao Needle

2012-02-05 Thread David Mann
On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15111392

Nice photo of an amazing landscape.  I haven't seen sky like that for a couple 
of weeks despite it supposedly being summer.  Those vertical cliffs in the 
background are fascinating... how tall are they?

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RE: You are not a photographer

2012-02-05 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Doug Brewer
 
 I think the point here, Stan, is not that she has a camera that costs
 whatever,but the view that, to too many people, all you need to be a
 photographer is a good camera.
 

it's just snobbery and self-aggrandisement. It's the same sort of thing as
I'm a traveller, you're a tourist. 

Immature and insecure people trying to define categories and rankings to
make themselves feel superior to the rest of us.

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Re: PESO 19

2012-02-05 Thread David Mann
On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Last night, before my photo walk, I used my GPS and geotagged some photos 
 showing how to find Studio Gracia, where Friday Night Blues is held.  The 
 goal was to show some landmarks off of 8th, and also have the map available.
 I think I actually like this one of the door as a photo, not just 
 documentation, though I'm not sure whether it's subtle, or bland.
 Comments appreciated:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6819169805/lightbox/

The style of that number, and the black door on which it's mounted, makes me 
think of a famous door on Downing St.  Probably because I'm nearly halfway 
through Thatcher's book at the moment.

FWIW I'd try cropping out the white as I think it's a bit distracting.

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Re: Juan Buhler - Hanoi, 2011

2012-02-05 Thread David Mann
On Feb 5, 2012, at 4:27 AM, Bob W wrote:

 I'm increasingly coming round to the view that it should be legal to kill
 Juan.

Careful, you might set a precedent.  And at the end I'd be the only one left.

Fantastic photo, Juan.

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Re: Why I Moved To Medium Format

2012-02-05 Thread David Mann
On Feb 5, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

 On 2/4/2012 8:29 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
 No, I didn't.  This guy Zack Arias did:
 http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/why-i-moved-to-medium-format-phase-one-iq140-review/
 
 I do *not* need a 645. I do *not* need a 645. I do *not* need a 645. Nope.  
 -T
 
 Man. This kind of stuff just depresses the hell out of me.

I'm excited, this is a crystal ball.  This is the kind of gear we'll all be 
able to afford in a few years.

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Re: Why I Moved To Medium Format

2012-02-05 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 2/5/2012 3:03 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Feb 5, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


On 2/4/2012 8:29 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

No, I didn't.  This guy Zack Arias did:
http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/why-i-moved-to-medium-format-phase-one-iq140-review/

I do *not* need a 645. I do *not* need a 645. I do *not* need a 645. Nope.  -T


Man. This kind of stuff just depresses the hell out of me.

I'm excited, this is a crystal ball.  This is the kind of gear we'll all be 
able to afford in a few years.

Dave
That made milk shoot out of my nose, and I haven't had a glass of milk 
in weeks!


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Re: PESO - Happy

2012-02-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/2/12, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

She told (not asked) me to take her picture:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2012/02/happy.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

Thanks mate - can you put a warning next time!! Tea and toast first
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Re: PESO - Happy

2012-02-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/2/12, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

She told (not asked) me to take her picture:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2012/02/happy.html

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Re: You are not a photographer

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I think the image is a parody of those old Canon ads that implied you
were equivalent to a professional photographer is you used a
professional, ie Canon, camera
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:15 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Doug Brewer

 I think the point here, Stan, is not that she has a camera that costs
 whatever,but the view that, to too many people, all you need to be a
 photographer is a good camera.


 it's just snobbery and self-aggrandisement. It's the same sort of thing as
 I'm a traveller, you're a tourist.

 Immature and insecure people trying to define categories and rankings to
 make themselves feel superior to the rest of us.

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Re: PESO: 'Iao Needle

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Dave.

I have photographed the needle several times in the past, but since it
is in a rain forest, it is usually covered in mist and backed by solid
clouds.  This day was quite special.

The valley floor is about 1,000 feet above sea level, and the needle
rises about 1200 feet above the valley.  Behind the needle is Puʻu
Kukui, which is 5800 feet above sea level, and the second wettest spot
in Hawai'i, getting almost 400 inches of rain a year.  I suspect the
cliffs immediately behind the needle rise about 2,000 feet above the
valley floor, and at least 1,000 feet above the top of the needle.

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:12 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15111392

 Nice photo of an amazing landscape.  I haven't seen sky like that for a 
 couple of weeks despite it supposedly being summer.  Those vertical cliffs in 
 the background are fascinating... how tall are they?

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Re: PESO: Whale's Tale

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Yes it is.

There were more exciting breaches on this sail, but somehow I liked
the geometry of this posture on the part of the whale.

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On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:10 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15111375

 I bet that's a very nice thing to witness.

 There's a small sculpture of a whale tail on the Wellington waterfront along 
 Oriental Parade.  I came across it while running and took a cellphone photo 
 because I was thinking of using that motif in making my headphone stand.

 I eventually decided I wasn't anywhere near skilled enough to attempt such an 
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Why I added large format

2012-02-05 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/why-i-moved-to-medium-format-phase-one-iq140-review/

The article said almost all of it:
I can?t properly convey how gorgeous these digital files are. It?s not just 
the amount of Megapixels that matter. The size of the imaging sensor comes into 
play in the final quality of the photo. I?d rather have a 20 megapixel medium 
format camera than a 30 megapixel 35mm based DSLR because the physical sensor 
is much larger. The larger the sensor the higher the quality.

The only thing missing was the question of the image form and lens aberrations. 
 Of course new DSLRs compensate automatically, but still ...

I must admit that the close-up of the eyelashes with the MF digital equals 
enlargements from 4x5 C41.  It also betters mediocre LF lenses like the Symmar 
convertibles from the 50s  60s.  But contact /or scan it and there is still 
no comparison, even with good better lenses.  (No need to buy the top-end apo 
or such.)

Sincerely, 

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Re: PESO 19

2012-02-05 Thread Larry Colen

On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:20 AM, David Mann wrote:

 On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 Last night, before my photo walk, I used my GPS and geotagged some photos 
 showing how to find Studio Gracia, where Friday Night Blues is held.  The 
 goal was to show some landmarks off of 8th, and also have the map available.
 I think I actually like this one of the door as a photo, not just 
 documentation, though I'm not sure whether it's subtle, or bland.
 Comments appreciated:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6819169805/lightbox/
 
 The style of that number, and the black door on which it's mounted, makes me 
 think of a famous door on Downing St.  Probably because I'm nearly halfway 
 through Thatcher's book at the moment.
 
 FWIW I'd try cropping out the white as I think it's a bit distracting.

Here are a couple tries without the white:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6822644215/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6822639105

 
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Re: PESO - Happy

2012-02-05 Thread David J Brooks
Happy indeed. Good one

Dave

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 She told (not asked) me to take her picture:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2012/02/happy.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Sima and Ray

2012-02-05 Thread David J Brooks
Great shot

Dave

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:27 PM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2012/02/sima-and-ray.html

 Shot in 2009, while visiting Mike Wilson and family.

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Rick Womer
I used the Huey Pro for several years.  It's quick, easy, somewhat 
configurable, and MUCH better than nothing.  I got my laptop screen to match my 
24in monitor at work with 2 tries.  The main drawbacks are that one can't use 
it to set luminance, there is some inconsistency from one calibration to the 
next, and reading on the web leads one to suspect considerable sample variation 
in the units themselves.

A few months ago I got an i1Display Pro, and it does a great job--fast, 
consistent, and it does luminance too--and costs twice as much as the Huey Pro.

Rick
 
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- Original Message -
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To: pdml@pdml.net
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Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 12:27 AM
Subject: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
it worth while?  Thanks

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FS: Speaking of medium format...

2012-02-05 Thread Darren Addy
I forgot to let PDML know about a gorgeous Pentax 645 with Pentax-A
75mm that I am selling. Sadly, I can't keep everything.
It is reasonably priced at $295 plus shipping (will ship worldwide)
and the posting is here:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographic-equipment-sale/171138-sale-pentax-645-pentax-75mm-f2-8-a.html
If you can't see that forum and need images, drop me a line.

Apologies for the non-Friday post.

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Re: Why I added large format

2012-02-05 Thread Evan Hanson
On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 13:06 +, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
 http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/why-i-moved-to-medium-format-phase-one-iq140-review/
 
 The article said almost all of it:
 I can?t properly convey how gorgeous these digital files are. It?s not just 
 the amount of Megapixels that matter. The size of the imaging sensor comes 
 into play in the final quality of the photo. I?d rather have a 20 megapixel 
 medium format camera than a 30 megapixel 35mm based DSLR because the physical 
 sensor is much larger. The larger the sensor the higher the quality.
 
 The only thing missing was the question of the image form and lens 
 aberrations.  Of course new DSLRs compensate automatically, but still ...
 
 I must admit that the close-up of the eyelashes with the MF digital equals 
 enlargements from 4x5 C41.  It also betters mediocre LF lenses like the 
 Symmar convertibles from the 50s  60s.  But contact /or scan it and there 
 is still no comparison, even with good better lenses.  (No need to buy the 
 top-end apo or such.)
 
 Sincerely, 
 
 Collin Brendemuehl 
 He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose 
 -- Jim Elliott 
 
 
 
 
 
 


That looks interesting but it doesn't look like something I would want
to carry into the field.  

Evan


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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread William Robb

On 04/02/2012 11:27 PM, Adam Montoya wrote:

So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
it worth while?  Thanks

-Adam


Eye1 Pro. It seems to work.

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Sorenson
Spyder3 Pro - recently upgraded from a Spyder2.  Does a good job, even 
with my cheap monitor.


-p

On 2/4/2012 11:27 PM, Adam Montoya wrote:

So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
it worth while?  Thanks

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Re: Why I added large format

2012-02-05 Thread William Robb

On 05/02/2012 7:06 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/why-i-moved-to-medium-format-phase-one-iq140-review/

The article said almost all of it:
I can?t properly convey how gorgeous these digital files are.
 It?s not just the amount of Megapixels that matter. The size of the 
imaging

sensor comes into play in the final quality of the photo.
I?d rather have a 20 megapixel medium format camera than a 30 megapixel 
35mm based
DSLR because the physical sensor is much larger. The larger the sensor 
the higher the quality.




To a great extent, what he is saying is a hold over predjudice from the 
film era, where the larger the negative, the better the image quality 
would be (painting with a broad brush I realize).
In digital, to a great extent, megapixels are all that matters as long 
as one stays within the noise limitations of the sensor.
I've seen comparisons between a 12mp APS-C camera (Pentax Kx) and a 12MP 
135 format camera (Nikon D700). Until the ISO was raised fairly 
significantly, the Kx files were equivalent to the D700 files.
Digital is about megapixels and signal to noise. If those numbers are 
equivalent, or at least below the threshold of viewability, it doesn't 
matter what size of sensor is in use. My Q does a remarkably good job 
against my K7, even though the Q sensor is miniscule by comparison.



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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread George Sinos
The Colormunki is a bit expensive, but it can also do your printer
profiles.  It can also do projectors.

Our club has one and it works very well.

I've heard they have a newer, less expensive, model that only does displays.

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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Adam Montoya amont...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
 worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
 it worth while?  Thanks

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've done fine with a Spyder 2 Express, the bargain version of the Spyder line. 
I believe Spyder 3 Express is the current version. It has limitations, but it 
can match the color cast of my monitor to my printer with precision. I adjust 
the luminance based on a grayscale and the printer output. If i tweak a file 
until it looks just right on my monitor, the print from my 2880 will be spot 
on. That's all I need. That said, I'd like to have the Pro version, so I could 
calibrate my second monitor as well.The Express version only allows you to do 
one monitor. The difference is in the software; the sensors are the same.  
Although I use the second monitor  only for tools when working in PhotoShop, it 
would be nice if it were an exact  match.


On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 Spyder3 Pro - recently upgraded from a Spyder2.  Does a good job, even with 
 my cheap monitor.
 
 -p
 
 On 2/4/2012 11:27 PM, Adam Montoya wrote:
 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
 worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
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Re: PESO - Sima and Ray

2012-02-05 Thread mike wilson

On 04/02/2012 21:27, AlunFoto wrote:

http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2012/02/sima-and-ray.html

Shot in 2009, while visiting Mike Wilson and family.


He certainly had a way with birds.  Much as you have a way with cameras, 
unlike me. I don't know what this is focused on.

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Re: A thought about tripods

2012-02-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 2/5/2012 00:06, David Parsons wrote:

I haven't found a tripod to help my composition all that much, but it
does make my pictures sharper because I'm not holding the camera.


Chach-ing!

about 30 years ago I got into Animals Animals / Earth scenes stock 
agency based largely on my black and white prints.  They took a few 
slides, but not many. My instructions were to get a better loupe and a 
tripod.  No matter how good a mood or an expression on beasties, if it
were not razor sharp and preferably no higher an ASA (this was 1980 
remember?) than 64 - ideally, Kodachrome 25 - for those of us shoointg

35mm.

In BW I shot Tri-x and I could shoot fast enough to keep things sharp.

So I got a Benbo.  But I had  mate back then and we had bucks and drove
all over the place so I could stash the T-pod in the car and luxuiate in
setting up out in the wild at a nature preserve or park and 'wait for 
it I also had someone to carry it for me.  When we did serious trail 
walks I carried a lightweight one for low to the ground stuff.


I did my street stuff for me and the nature stuff that I managed to
get sharp enough I sent to the agency, but it was just too much work
for me when I was actually working full time to do all the housekeeping
involved - researching details on scientific names , getting the places
spot on.  So I sent them, to say the least, not enough to make a living
on it.  I did get some sales back then, but the most recent was probably 
- um - 4 or 5 years ago.  Can't blame them... I hardly

have given them anything in the past 15 years.

But I'm very very glad I got that tripod.  I use it now for
shooting stuff I'm putting on ebay and a very occasional bit
of roof-top great light things.

It certainly cost me shots , too.  But I treasure days spent
out in the west where I could frame my shot and wait for the
sun to rise or set, the birds to return to the nest, the
critters to appear while I sipped a cuppa and didn't have
to keep looking through the lens and getting cramped up
in the arm holding the camera.

I always went with two cameras.. the one loaded with T-X
and a 50mm or a 28 that stayed around my neck often or with
a different speed film so that I could cover the unexpected
for my own pleasure or for stuff that didn't need to be
razor sharp

I can't get sharp shots shooting on the fly at anything
less than a shutter speed of 250 - my body won't let me.
and frankly, I never could

ann





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I wonder how much of the photographic benefit of using a tripod is from the 
camera being steadier, and how much of it is because using a tripod forces you 
to slow down and think a bit longer about the photograph.

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread David J Brooks
Still have my copy of Spyder I. Even thought it was not supposed to
work on my iMac 21.5 i seemed to remember a download from the net to
look after that issue, and i managed to get a monitor calibrate.
Probably should upgrade now anyway.

Dave

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Adam Montoya amont...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
 worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
 it worth while?  Thanks

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread mike wilson

On 05/02/2012 06:27, Adam Montoya wrote:

So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
it worth while?  Thanks


Funny - I was just about to post on this very subject.  Being extremely 
unhappy at recent reproductions of my drivel (they were being printed 
much redder than I was seeing on screen) I bought a Hueypro and 
calbrated (I think) my screen.  It now has a decidedly green hue, 
compared to what I was used to.  This would generally be the direction I 
anticipated but I was not expecting such a noticable transformation. 
Maybe folks with known calibrated screens could look at my recent 
posting and tell me if there is anything clearly wrong with it.  In the 
colour stakes - I know about all the other stuff, thanks


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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread mike wilson

On 05/02/2012 09:03, Bob W wrote:

On 3/2/12, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:


i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the rest

designed

to fail after a few years; ...


Hmm. I have a simple KitchenAid toaster with wide slots to allow
bagels to be toasted that I bought in 1985 for $20. Still working just
fine. It's a cheap piece of tin crap but it just keeps on toasting.



My butler and housekeeper take care of my toastage needs. I'm informed there
is a 'kitchen' somewhere in the east wing.


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HDR

2012-02-05 Thread Jens
Hi list.
I tried out the in camera HDR today.
The K-5 offers a number of Auto-HDR features in this area.
In this exapmle I used the highest equalisation feature:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157629185875729/

Please feel free to comment.
Which software should I use for out off camera HDR?

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Re: Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Jens
EYE-ONE.

Reagards
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On Feb 5, 2012 17:11 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Still have my copy of Spyder I. Even thought it was not supposed to
 work on my iMac 21.5 i seemed to remember a download from the net to
 look after that issue, and i managed to get a monitor calibrate.
 Probably should upgrade now anyway.
 
 Dave
 
 On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Adam Montoya amont...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR
  and
  what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.
   Expecially
  since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
  worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag,
  is
  it worth while?  Thanks
 
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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
It appears to be spot on for the light on my monitor. It's definitely trending 
toward green. It might be a hair toward the blue and magenta side of things -- 
really just a hair -- but that would be right for the open shade light.

Paul
On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:22 AM, mike wilson wrote:

 On 05/02/2012 06:27, Adam Montoya wrote:
 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
 worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
 it worth while?  Thanks
 
 Funny - I was just about to post on this very subject.  Being extremely 
 unhappy at recent reproductions of my drivel (they were being printed much 
 redder than I was seeing on screen) I bought a Hueypro and calbrated (I 
 think) my screen.  It now has a decidedly green hue, compared to what I was 
 used to.  This would generally be the direction I anticipated but I was not 
 expecting such a noticable transformation. Maybe folks with known calibrated 
 screens could look at my recent posting and tell me if there is anything 
 clearly wrong with it.  In the colour stakes - I know about all the other 
 stuff, thanks
 
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Re: HDR

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Too much. You're getting a lot of halo effect where darks meet lights. You 
could fix that by cloning on a pixel level, but that's a lot of work.
Paul
On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Jens wrote:

 Hi list.
 I tried out the in camera HDR today.
 The K-5 offers a number of Auto-HDR features in this area.
 In this exapmle I used the highest equalisation feature:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157629185875729/
 
 Please feel free to comment.
 Which software should I use for out off camera HDR?
 
 Regards
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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
I meant to say it's definitely NOT trending toward green. Agh.
On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 It appears to be spot on for the light on my monitor. It's definitely 
 trending toward green. It might be a hair toward the blue and magenta side of 
 things -- really just a hair -- but that would be right for the open shade 
 light.
 
 Paul
 On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:22 AM, mike wilson wrote:
 
 On 05/02/2012 06:27, Adam Montoya wrote:
 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
 worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
 it worth while?  Thanks
 
 Funny - I was just about to post on this very subject.  Being extremely 
 unhappy at recent reproductions of my drivel (they were being printed much 
 redder than I was seeing on screen) I bought a Hueypro and calbrated (I 
 think) my screen.  It now has a decidedly green hue, compared to what I was 
 used to.  This would generally be the direction I anticipated but I was not 
 expecting such a noticable transformation. Maybe folks with known calibrated 
 screens could look at my recent posting and tell me if there is anything 
 clearly wrong with it.  In the colour stakes - I know about all the other 
 stuff, thanks
 
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Re: HDR

2012-02-05 Thread Jack Davis
Have no basis for advising anything about HDR programs, but I have tried the 
in-camera K5 HDR. Can foresee possible future use.
Note limb haloing/fringing against the sky. Possibly the result of pushing the 
contrast. (?)

Jack



From: Jens p...@planfoto.dk
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Subject: HDR

Hi list.
I tried out the in camera HDR today.
The K-5 offers a number of Auto-HDR features in this area.
In this exapmle I used the highest equalisation feature:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157629185875729/

Please feel free to comment.
Which software should I use for out off camera HDR?

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Sorenson
Looks good on my monitor. - to get rid of red, you'd want to move toward 
cyan.


-p

On 2/5/2012 9:22 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 05/02/2012 06:27, Adam Montoya wrote:

So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak. Expecially
since I now have two monitors running. What cabibration tools are
worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
it worth while? Thanks


Funny - I was just about to post on this very subject. Being extremely
unhappy at recent reproductions of my drivel (they were being printed
much redder than I was seeing on screen) I bought a Hueypro and
calbrated (I think) my screen. It now has a decidedly green hue,
compared to what I was used to. This would generally be the direction I
anticipated but I was not expecting such a noticable transformation.
Maybe folks with known calibrated screens could look at my recent
posting and tell me if there is anything clearly wrong with it. In the
colour stakes - I know about all the other stuff, thanks

http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/temp/IMGP6821.jpg


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RE: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Bob W
  i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the
 rest
  designed
  to fail after a few years; ...
 
  Hmm. I have a simple KitchenAid toaster with wide slots to allow
  bagels to be toasted that I bought in 1985 for $20. Still working
 just
  fine. It's a cheap piece of tin crap but it just keeps on toasting.
 
 
  My butler and housekeeper take care of my toastage needs. I'm
 informed there
  is a 'kitchen' somewhere in the east wing.
 
 Always cold when it gets to the table.  Don't stay at Bob's.
 

you should have said. Next time I'll get Mercedes or Juanita to warm it up
for you in their special way.

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Re: HDR

2012-02-05 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Jens p...@planfoto.dk wrote:

 I tried out the in camera HDR today.
 The K-5 offers a number of Auto-HDR features in this area.
 In this exapmle I used the highest equalisation feature:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/72157629185875729/

 Please feel free to comment.
 Which software should I use for out off camera HDR?

The potential is certainly there, but I agree with Paul that the halos
distract from the result.

When I've combined multiple exposures, instead of producing an HDR
image and tone-mapping, I've used exposure fusion. This is implemented
in software like enfuse (part of the hugin panorama software) and
tufuse http://www.tawbaware.com/tufuse.htm. I've mostly used tufuse,
which is command-line software. There is a plugin to integrate enfuse
with Lightroom, which probably makes things easier; I haven't tried it
http://www.photographers-toolbox.com/products/lrenfuse.php.

I've found the results from exposure fusion to look quite natural,
which is my intent with this sort of thing:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/2588764510/lightbox/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/3478746032/lightbox/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/2930696962/lightbox/

All that said, I don't have any experience with good HDR software like
Photomatix or Photoshop. I think people are producing natural-looking
results with those packages as well. When I first became interested in
HDR, I played around with free software like qtpfsgui
http://qtpfsgui.sourceforge.net/ and didn't care for the results.

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2012-02-05 10:03, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Spyder3 Pro


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Re: February PUG - The Train is about to Leave the Station

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling

On 2/4/2012 12:03 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


On 2/3/2012 22:54, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

Last call for the February PUG. I'll be closing submissions on Monday.

So far we have 17 themed submissions and one for the open gallery.


+++

Theme: Railway


So... So you are keeping track?

ann


Perhaps he should be making tracks...





Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/


The main requirements are:

* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or
lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure
the image looks right in non colour-managed browsers.

More detailed guidelines here:

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Re: PESO - Sima and Ray

2012-02-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
Great catch Jostein.
I like that we can see one of the guys eyes.

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2012/2/4 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2012/02/sima-and-ray.html

 Shot in 2009, while visiting Mike Wilson and family.

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PESO[s] Railroad related PUG rejects

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling
No the PUG isn't rejecting submissions, at least not that I know of, no 
these are images I rejected, but still thought I'd show just because...


I haven't been all that productive lately, (especially in creating 
worthy images), so I went back to mine a few from when I was still 
shooting primarily with the *ist-D and Ds.  I've shown this one as a BW 
rendering, but it looks pretty good in color.  Some people complained 
that I cut off the bottoms of it's wheels but you know it's not going 
anywhere...


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20disablediir.html

Equipment *ist-Ds/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

The second hasn't been shown before AFAICR.  This 1890s vintage swing 
bridge is slated to be replace with a new 40 year* bridge sometime in 
the next few years.  Unless the US Federal Government runs out of 
money... (Hey wait a minute), oh well, It will still be replaced.


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20rrbridgectriver.html

Equipment *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f4.0~5.6

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

*More than a little irony in that, Whot?

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Re: Lens road map

2012-02-05 Thread Þráinn Vigfússon
I second this. The 550mm lens would be perfect for skittish birds, 
especially when there is little tree cover for getting closer. If it 
will be f5.6, as some people have guessed, it might even be affordable 
(or at least affordable enough that my wife won't beat me over the head 
with it when I bring it home, since that would cause focus problems due 
to lens misalignement).


I have an old Sigma 400mm F5.6 that has long since stopped autofocusing 
and I've been waiting for a lens such as this one for a couple of years.


Thrainn

Þann 3.2.2012 17:31, skrifaði Paul Stenquist:

On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote:


Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't
make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens?
That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a
huge demand for that?

I want one for my K-5. It would be perfect for shooting small birds.








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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Tim Bray
I once wrote an essay on Toast, and it may be the most popular thing I
ever published on my blog. Read the comments:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/02/10/On-Toast

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
  i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the
 rest
  designed
  to fail after a few years; ...
 
  Hmm. I have a simple KitchenAid toaster with wide slots to allow
  bagels to be toasted that I bought in 1985 for $20. Still working
 just
  fine. It's a cheap piece of tin crap but it just keeps on toasting.
 
 
  My butler and housekeeper take care of my toastage needs. I'm
 informed there
  is a 'kitchen' somewhere in the east wing.

 Always cold when it gets to the table.  Don't stay at Bob's.


 you should have said. Next time I'll get Mercedes or Juanita to warm it up
 for you in their special way.

 B


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GESO: Fog and public service

2012-02-05 Thread Tim Bray
If you have a camera, you can't stay inside when it's foggy out:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2012/02/05/Freezing-fog

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Re: Lens road map

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Well, they make a 300mm f4.0 and the F 1.7x adapter is common enough, if 
you really want one.  The maximum aperture for a 400mm f4.5 with a 1.4x 
TC would be within about 1/3 stop of the afore mentioned combination and 
only 50mm shorter, as well as probably being quite a bit less 
expensive.  Most people seem to think I have nothing to complain about 
as far as image quality is concerned using even my ancient A*300 f4.0 
with the F1.7x.


On 2/3/2012 12:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

I'd secretly (my wife is listening) like to see a 400mm f/4 or 4.5 and a 
quality 1.4 T/C.

Jack ;-)



From: Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Lens road map


On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote:


Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't
make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens?
That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a
huge demand for that?

I want one for my K-5. It would be perfect for shooting small birds.



Now a 550mm or 600mm lens on a full frame, would
be much more likely to be in at least some demand.

But even if a full-frame camera is introduced, there won't be enough market 
penetration to justify such a lens for a long time -- if ever.

The other thing is... Hoya stopped the publicizing of lens road maps
like this. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't one. And given the
short time that Ricoh has owned Pentax, it is likely to me that these
future lenses on the road map are lenses that were already in some
form of development at Hoya/Pentax.

While Hoya/Pentax didn't appear to be interested in FF cameras, it
seems crazy to me that they didn't have somebody at least doing RD on
one. In fact, that would be good window dressing to showcase if you
were going to shop the company. (look at the additional product lines
you can expand into). I think the Marc Newson camera is another
example of Hoya/Pentax carry-over.

Add that to the comments in the earlier interview from the
Ricoh/Pentax exec. talking about the importance of a full DSLR
product line and I think the evidence is getting stronger for a FF
Pentax camera to be at least announced, very soon.

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

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Re: PESO[s] Railroad related PUG rejects

2012-02-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Well I have a slight preference for the close-up but they are both PUG 
worthy I think


ann

On 2/5/2012 13:29, P. J. Alling wrote:

No the PUG isn't rejecting submissions, at least not that I know of, no
these are images I rejected, but still thought I'd show just because...

I haven't been all that productive lately, (especially in creating
worthy images), so I went back to mine a few from when I was still
shooting primarily with the *ist-D and Ds. I've shown this one as a BW
rendering, but it looks pretty good in color. Some people complained
that I cut off the bottoms of it's wheels but you know it's not going
anywhere...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20disablediir.html

Equipment *ist-Ds/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

The second hasn't been shown before AFAICR. This 1890s vintage swing
bridge is slated to be replace with a new 40 year* bridge sometime in
the next few years. Unless the US Federal Government runs out of
money... (Hey wait a minute), oh well, It will still be replaced.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20rrbridgectriver.html

Equipment *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f4.0~5.6

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread mike wilson

On 05/02/2012 17:39, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I meant to say it's definitely NOT trending toward green. Agh.
On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


It appears to be spot on for the light on my monitor. It's definitely trending 
toward green. It might be a hair toward the blue and magenta side of things -- 
really just a hair -- but that would be right for the open shade light.

Paul
On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:22 AM, mike wilson wrote:


On 05/02/2012 06:27, Adam Montoya wrote:

So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
it worth while?  Thanks


Funny - I was just about to post on this very subject.  Being extremely unhappy 
at recent reproductions of my drivel (they were being printed much redder than 
I was seeing on screen) I bought a Hueypro and calbrated (I think) my screen.  
It now has a decidedly green hue, compared to what I was used to.  This would 
generally be the direction I anticipated but I was not expecting such a 
noticable transformation. Maybe folks with known calibrated screens could look 
at my recent posting and tell me if there is anything clearly wrong with it.  
In the colour stakes - I know about all the other stuff, thanks

http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/temp/IMGP6821.jpg


Thanks.  It certainly looks better than it did before.

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Re: A thought about tripods

2012-02-05 Thread kwaller

I haven't found a tripod to help my composition all that much, but it
does make my pictures sharper because I'm not holding the camera.


I have.
It does indeed force you to slow down. Outdoor photog pros will advise to 
hand hold the camera  roughly compose the intended shot  then move the 
tripod into position to support the camera for that composition.


I've seen the tripod paralize some - they come upon a scene  immediately 
position the tripod  without ever getting a rough idea of the indended image 
thru the handheld camers.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: A thought about tripods



I haven't found a tripod to help my composition all that much, but it
does make my pictures sharper because I'm not holding the camera.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I wonder how much of the photographic benefit of using a tripod is from 
the camera being steadier, and how much of it is because using a tripod 
forces you to slow down and think a bit longer about the photograph.


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Re: PESO[s] Railroad related PUG rejects

2012-02-05 Thread Steven Desjardins
I prefer the first one, but I like machinery shots.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Well I have a slight preference for the close-up but they are both PUG
 worthy I think

 ann


 On 2/5/2012 13:29, P. J. Alling wrote:

 No the PUG isn't rejecting submissions, at least not that I know of, no
 these are images I rejected, but still thought I'd show just because...

 I haven't been all that productive lately, (especially in creating
 worthy images), so I went back to mine a few from when I was still
 shooting primarily with the *ist-D and Ds. I've shown this one as a BW
 rendering, but it looks pretty good in color. Some people complained
 that I cut off the bottoms of it's wheels but you know it's not going
 anywhere...

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20disablediir.html

 Equipment *ist-Ds/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

 The second hasn't been shown before AFAICR. This 1890s vintage swing
 bridge is slated to be replace with a new 40 year* bridge sometime in
 the next few years. Unless the US Federal Government runs out of
 money... (Hey wait a minute), oh well, It will still be replaced.

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20rrbridgectriver.html

 Equipment *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f4.0~5.6

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread mike wilson

On 05/02/2012 18:27, Bob W wrote:

i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the

rest

designed

to fail after a few years; ...


Hmm. I have a simple KitchenAid toaster with wide slots to allow
bagels to be toasted that I bought in 1985 for $20. Still working

just

fine. It's a cheap piece of tin crap but it just keeps on toasting.



My butler and housekeeper take care of my toastage needs. I'm

informed there

is a 'kitchen' somewhere in the east wing.


Always cold when it gets to the table.  Don't stay at Bob's.



you should have said. Next time I'll get Mercedes or Juanita to warm it up
for you in their special way.


Tasty as well as toasty?
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Re: PESO - Happy

2012-02-05 Thread kwaller

Fantastic! With dental work like that she must be British.


Probably due to too much sugar

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- Original Message - 
From: Bob W p...@web-options.com

Subject: RE: PESO - Happy




She told (not asked) me to take her picture:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2012/02/happy.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank



Fantastic! With dental work like that she must be British.



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Re: You are not a photographer

2012-02-05 Thread kwaller

Immature and insecure people trying to define categories and rankings to
make themselves feel superior to the rest of us.


You mean I'm not ?

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- Original Message - 
From: Bob W p...@web-options.com

Subject: RE: You are not a photographer



From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Doug Brewer

I think the point here, Stan, is not that she has a camera that costs
whatever,but the view that, to too many people, all you need to be a
photographer is a good camera.



it's just snobbery and self-aggrandisement. It's the same sort of thing as
I'm a traveller, you're a tourist.

Immature and insecure people trying to define categories and rankings to
make themselves feel superior to the rest of us.

B



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RE: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Bob W
 
 I once wrote an essay on Toast, and it may be the most popular thing I
 ever published on my blog. Read the comments:
 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/02/10/On-Toast
 
Very American. You're pretty much all wrong about toast. Here's the way it's
done in the civilised world.

When the toast is ready you put it in a rack so that it doesn't go soggy and
will be crisp when taken to the breakfast table and buttered.

Soldiers are for dipping into a soft boiled egg.

I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers and taking a jar when you
visit your French friends will ensure that they remain so. I was told this
at 14 by my French teacher just before I went to stay for 2 weeks near
Rheims with my pen-friend's family. It was true then and is true now.
Marmalade confuses the French, who call it confiture, which is the same word
that they use for jam, which is clearly very different from marmalade.
English confiture also amuses them endlessly because we put the word
'preservative' on the label. This means something entirely different in
French.

If you're eating your toast later in the day, perhaps after a wet, muddy and
cold walk in the countryside, then you must have it hot buttered, which is
to say you may butter it straight away, as you've described. But that is not
toast, it is hot buttered toast.

B

 On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
   i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the
  rest
   designed
   to fail after a few years; ...
  
   Hmm. I have a simple KitchenAid toaster with wide slots to allow
   bagels to be toasted that I bought in 1985 for $20. Still working
  just
   fine. It's a cheap piece of tin crap but it just keeps on
 toasting.
  
  
   My butler and housekeeper take care of my toastage needs. I'm
  informed there
   is a 'kitchen' somewhere in the east wing.
 
  Always cold when it gets to the table.  Don't stay at Bob's.
 
 
  you should have said. Next time I'll get Mercedes or Juanita to warm
 it up
  for you in their special way.
 
  B
 
 
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Re: A thought about tripods

2012-02-05 Thread Bulent Celasun
I like my tripods and try to carry one of them with me whenever possible.
Still, there are times when I just leave the tripod at some place
(under a shade, on a rock, whatever) and walk only with my camera at
hand.
I know I can reach it for help if I need to; I do not feel guilty (!)
if I do not use the tripod at all on that occasion.

And, there are occasions (macros come to mind) where I always use a
tripod. And, I do macros rather frequently...

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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Bulent Celasun
Oh Bob!
Thanks; you made my day :)

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2012/2/5 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 I once wrote an essay on Toast, and it may be the most popular thing I
 ever published on my blog. Read the comments:
 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/02/10/On-Toast

 Very American. You're pretty much all wrong about toast. Here's the way it's
 done in the civilised world.

 When the toast is ready you put it in a rack so that it doesn't go soggy and
 will be crisp when taken to the breakfast table and buttered.

 Soldiers are for dipping into a soft boiled egg.

 I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers and taking a jar when you
 visit your French friends will ensure that they remain so. I was told this
 at 14 by my French teacher just before I went to stay for 2 weeks near
 Rheims with my pen-friend's family. It was true then and is true now.
 Marmalade confuses the French, who call it confiture, which is the same word
 that they use for jam, which is clearly very different from marmalade.
 English confiture also amuses them endlessly because we put the word
 'preservative' on the label. This means something entirely different in
 French.

 If you're eating your toast later in the day, perhaps after a wet, muddy and
 cold walk in the countryside, then you must have it hot buttered, which is
 to say you may butter it straight away, as you've described. But that is not
 toast, it is hot buttered toast.

 B

 On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
   i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the
  rest
   designed
   to fail after a few years; ...
  
   Hmm. I have a simple KitchenAid toaster with wide slots to allow
   bagels to be toasted that I bought in 1985 for $20. Still working
  just
   fine. It's a cheap piece of tin crap but it just keeps on
 toasting.
  
  
   My butler and housekeeper take care of my toastage needs. I'm
  informed there
   is a 'kitchen' somewhere in the east wing.
 
  Always cold when it gets to the table.  Don't stay at Bob's.
 
 
  you should have said. Next time I'll get Mercedes or Juanita to warm
 it up
  for you in their special way.
 
  B
 
 
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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling

For the English, caramelized bread, is like snow to the Eskimos.

On 2/5/2012 2:28 PM, Bob W wrote:

I once wrote an essay on Toast, and it may be the most popular thing I
ever published on my blog. Read the comments:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/02/10/On-Toast


Very American. You're pretty much all wrong about toast. Here's the way it's
done in the civilised world.

When the toast is ready you put it in a rack so that it doesn't go soggy and
will be crisp when taken to the breakfast table and buttered.

Soldiers are for dipping into a soft boiled egg.

I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers and taking a jar when you
visit your French friends will ensure that they remain so. I was told this

at 14 by my French teacher just before I went to stay for 2 weeks near
Rheims with my pen-friend's family. It was true then and is true now.
Marmalade confuses the French, who call it confiture, which is the same word
that they use for jam, which is clearly very different from marmalade.
English confiture also amuses them endlessly because we put the word
'preservative' on the label. This means something entirely different in
French.

If you're eating your toast later in the day, perhaps after a wet, muddy and
cold walk in the countryside, then you must have it hot buttered, which is

to say you may butter it straight away, as you've described. But that is not
toast, it is hot buttered toast.

B


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com  wrote:

i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the

rest

designed

to fail after a few years; ...

Hmm. I have a simple KitchenAid toaster with wide slots to allow
bagels to be toasted that I bought in 1985 for $20. Still working

just

fine. It's a cheap piece of tin crap but it just keeps on

toasting.

My butler and housekeeper take care of my toastage needs. I'm

informed there

is a 'kitchen' somewhere in the east wing.

Always cold when it gets to the table.  Don't stay at Bob's.


you should have said. Next time I'll get Mercedes or Juanita to warm

it up

for you in their special way.

B


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Re: PESO[s] Railroad related PUG rejects

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I like the image of the wheels very much.
Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:29 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 No the PUG isn't rejecting submissions, at least not that I know of, no
 these are images I rejected, but still thought I'd show just because...

 I haven't been all that productive lately, (especially in creating worthy
 images), so I went back to mine a few from when I was still shooting
 primarily with the *ist-D and Ds.  I've shown this one as a BW rendering,
 but it looks pretty good in color.  Some people complained that I cut off
 the bottoms of it's wheels but you know it's not going anywhere...

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20disablediir.html

 Equipment *ist-Ds/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

 The second hasn't been shown before AFAICR.  This 1890s vintage swing bridge
 is slated to be replace with a new 40 year* bridge sometime in the next few
 years.  Unless the US Federal Government runs out of money... (Hey wait a
 minute), oh well, It will still be replaced.

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20rrbridgectriver.html

 Equipment *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f4.0~5.6

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

 *More than a little irony in that, Whot?

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Re: February PUG - The Train is about to Leave the Station

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Give him a kick in the caboose.
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 On 2/3/2012 22:54, Brian Walters wrote:

 G'day all

 Last call for the February PUG. I'll be closing submissions on Monday.

 So far we have 17 themed submissions and one for the open gallery.


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Re: OT: Nashville flea market

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling
The 150mm was not a popular focal length, (more expensive a 135, which 
everyone and his brother just had to have and an odd icky focal length), 
and might even  be considered a collectors item if it's in good enough 
shape.  If it's as sharp as it's M42 mount predecessor, (I have a Super 
Takumar 150 f4.0, which was my first real telephoto), its certainly well 
worth the money optically.


On 1/28/2012 4:43 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote:

We went to the flea market this morning and I ended up getting a SMC
Pentax-M 1:3.5 150mm and a Rikenon P 1:2 50mm for $15 apiece and the fella
through in a few filters for free. I have done some experimenting with the
Rikenon but I haven't had a chance to play around with the 150mm.

I am hoping it was a good deal but not for certain until I can get a chance
to play around with them more but I have other pressing matters to get
finished.

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Re: OT - Life of a wedding photographer

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling
If she's self employed SS tax will be about 7K right there.  She may not 
have a tax accountant.  Lots of people don't and she could be in a high 
tax state, which reduces your federal taxes but you can pay more to the 
state. Then there's things like this.  Connecticut for example 
photographers are responsible for collecting sales tax on their 
services.  Connecticut's a small place and you're competing with 
photographers from all neighboring states who may or may not have to 
worry about collecting sales tax.  You can't offset that against your 
earnings, that's a cost to the customer, which goes into the final 
package price.  She might even be including sales taxes on her 
materials, it's often not worth it to get a tax number for resale items, 
it causes the taxing authority to take a closer look at you which can 
lead to all kinds of fun.  I can easily see paying that much in Taxes.  
Now her equipment costs seem a bit high.  But then again I'm cheap.


On 1/28/2012 2:59 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 02:24:11PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote:

She's also entering some of her living expenses, which is a bit odd . . .

More than simply a bit odd.

She assigns costs for her house and car over the full year, rather
than for just the four months she claims is her working season.
She also claims a tax bill of $15,000 on income of $50,000, which
suggests she needs a better tax attorney - many of the charges
detailed (and already counted in the balance sheet) can be offset
against taxable income, which should reduce that total considerably.

I'm not saying that she's charging too much - just that the figures
presented to justify that charge don't hold water.  Far better to
simply say I charge that much because that's a fair market price for
what I offer - if you can find a deal you like better, take it.

[Personally, I wouldn't want to shoot weddings as a way of earning
money.  I've done a couple of low-key events for friends  family,
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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Larry Colen
I've got a spyder II express.  It does the job good enough for me.
To calibrate both displays with it, there are things you can do to convince the 
system that screen 2 is actually screen 1, calibrate that screen, then switch 
back.

I bought it because at the time I was running Linux and at the time that was 
the only one I could find software for that would work on Linux. I bought it 
and in conversations with them, found out that they were actively hostile to 
Linux.  I guess they make too much money by selling both a crippled version of 
their software and charging more for a functional version of their software.

On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Adam Montoya wrote:

 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
 worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
 it worth while?  Thanks
 
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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Bruce Walker
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 On 2012-02-05 10:03, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 Spyder3 Pro

 Ditto.

Ditto

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Re: PESO - Sima and Ray

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling

On 2/5/2012 10:09 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 04/02/2012 21:27, AlunFoto wrote:

http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2012/02/sima-and-ray.html

Shot in 2009, while visiting Mike Wilson and family.


He certainly had a way with birds.  Much as you have a way with 
cameras, unlike me. I don't know what this is focused on.

http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/temp/IMGP6821.jpg


I'm getting the message, This page cannot be displayed  so obviously 
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Re: February PUG - The Train is about to Leave the Station

2012-02-05 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com:


Give him a kick in the caboose.



Do that and I'm likely to go quite loco.  I might even tender my  
resignation



Cheers

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On 2/4/2012 12:03 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



On 2/3/2012 22:54, Brian Walters wrote:


G'day all

Last call for the February PUG. I'll be closing submissions on Monday.

So far we have 17 themed submissions and one for the open gallery.


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So... So you are keeping track?

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Igor Roshchin

Hi Adam,

Last month I posted my summary in a similar search:
http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2012-January/299378.html

Since that, - a brand new Spyder 4 appeared on the market at $169,
and Xrite ColorMunki Display (CMUNDIS) went up in price to the same
$169.

HTH,

Igor


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 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 I've got a spyder II express.  It does the job good enough for me.
 To calibrate both displays with it, there are things you can do to convince 
 the system that screen 2 is actually screen 1, calibrate that screen, then 
 switch back.

I wonder if there's any way of doing that with an iMac? The computer knows damn 
well which screen is screen 1.
 
 I bought it because at the time I was running Linux and at the time that was 
 the only one I could find software for that would work on Linux. I bought it 
 and in conversations with them, found out that they were actively hostile to 
 Linux.  I guess they make too much money by selling both a crippled version 
 of their software and charging more for a functional version of their 
 software.
 
 On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Adam Montoya wrote:
 
 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
 worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
 it worth while?  Thanks
 
 -Adam
 
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PAW109 - Tiles

2012-02-05 Thread DagT
http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
K-5, DA*16-50mm@28mm, 1/20s, f/2.8, ISO100.

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Re: Test

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/29/2012 12:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote

A for technique, F for content.

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Re: Monitor Calibration (whats is everyone using?)

2012-02-05 Thread Larry Colen

On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 
 On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 I've got a spyder II express.  It does the job good enough for me.
 To calibrate both displays with it, there are things you can do to convince 
 the system that screen 2 is actually screen 1, calibrate that screen, then 
 switch back.
 
 I wonder if there's any way of doing that with an iMac? The computer knows 
 damn well which screen is screen 1.

Yes, there is. I did it.  It's not so much screen 1 and 2, as which one is the 
main screen, defined by which one has the menu bar at the top.

My second screen is a half dead View Sonic CRT, so it's not worth a lot of 
effort to keep recalibrating it, because I don't do any critical work on it 
anyways, so I don't remember the exact incantation I used.

 
 I bought it because at the time I was running Linux and at the time that was 
 the only one I could find software for that would work on Linux. I bought it 
 and in conversations with them, found out that they were actively hostile to 
 Linux.  I guess they make too much money by selling both a crippled version 
 of their software and charging more for a functional version of their 
 software.
 
 On Feb 4, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Adam Montoya wrote:
 
 So I finally updated my computer so i can use fun things like LR and
 what not. Now color profiles are driving me up the creak.  Expecially
 since I now have two monitors running.  What cabibration tools are
 worth using these days? The Pantone huey Pro has a nice price tag, is
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Re: PESO[s] Railroad related PUG rejects

2012-02-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
PJ,
I especially like how the steam locomotive's wheel show.  This is
always hard to show being black on black.  Being old and faded
probably helps, but you still did a fine job.
The 1890's swing bridge looks good.  We have one of similar vintage in
Rock Island, Illinois.  I'd suggest including some closer-up photos of
the ironwork.  I'm always inpressed by the contrast between old and
new bridgework.  The old bridgework is like lace - holy with rivits
holding it all together.  The new bridgework is more like extruded
plastic in special shapes, no economy in the use of steel.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 No the PUG isn't rejecting submissions, at least not that I know of, no
 these are images I rejected, but still thought I'd show just because...

 I haven't been all that productive lately, (especially in creating worthy
 images), so I went back to mine a few from when I was still shooting
 primarily with the *ist-D and Ds.  I've shown this one as a BW rendering,
 but it looks pretty good in color.  Some people complained that I cut off
 the bottoms of it's wheels but you know it's not going anywhere...

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20disablediir.html

 Equipment *ist-Ds/w smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

 The second hasn't been shown before AFAICR.  This 1890s vintage swing bridge
 is slated to be replace with a new 40 year* bridge sometime in the next few
 years.  Unless the US Federal Government runs out of money... (Hey wait a
 minute), oh well, It will still be replaced.

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20rrbridgectriver.html

 Equipment *ist-D/w smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f4.0~5.6

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: PESO[s] Railroad related PUG rejects

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
A little irony, perhaps, but a bit rusty as well.
Dan Matyola
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Re: PAW109 - Tiles

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Interesting.  The hand really changes everything in this fine image.
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 http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
 K-5, DA*16-50mm@28mm, 1/20s, f/2.8, ISO100.

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Re: February PUG - The Train is about to Leave the Station

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Will I get coal in my stocking?
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Quoting Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com:

 Give him a kick in the caboose.



 Do that and I'm likely to go quite loco.  I might even tender my
 resignation


 Cheers

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 wrote:

 On 2/4/2012 12:03 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:



 On 2/3/2012 22:54, Brian Walters wrote:


 G'day all

 Last call for the February PUG. I'll be closing submissions on Monday.

 So far we have 17 themed submissions and one for the open gallery.


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Re: PESO - Sima and Ray

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I have no problem seeing the image.
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On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 4:03 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2/5/2012 10:09 AM, mike wilson wrote:

 On 04/02/2012 21:27, AlunFoto wrote:

 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2012/02/sima-and-ray.html

 Shot in 2009, while visiting Mike Wilson and family.


 He certainly had a way with birds.  Much as you have a way with cameras,
 unlike me. I don't know what this is focused on.
 http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/temp/IMGP6821.jpg


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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 07:28:32PM -, Bob W wrote:
  
 I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers . . .

Hardly.

It's not bad (and certainly a cut above Golden Shred, let alone
the high-fructose corn-syrup laden abominations perpetrated on
the American publc by the likes of Smuckers), but it's by no
means the best that is available.

Duerr have a couple of reasonable varieties (their Manchester
marmalade, for example, is what Golden Shred is trying to be,
while their 1881 Original is similar to Cooper's Oxford).
Then there's the stuff the Scandinavian's prodece; I'm quite
partial to Elki's Orange fruit spread from their Scandinavian
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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Amazon has both Duerr's and Elki's orange marmalade. 

On Feb 5, 2012, at 7:07 PM, John Francis wrote:

 On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 07:28:32PM -, Bob W wrote:
 
 I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers . . .
 
 Hardly.
 
 It's not bad (and certainly a cut above Golden Shred, let alone
 the high-fructose corn-syrup laden abominations perpetrated on
 the American publc by the likes of Smuckers), but it's by no
 means the best that is available.
 
 Duerr have a couple of reasonable varieties (their Manchester
 marmalade, for example, is what Golden Shred is trying to be,
 while their 1881 Original is similar to Cooper's Oxford).
 Then there's the stuff the Scandinavian's prodece; I'm quite
 partial to Elki's Orange fruit spread from their Scandinavian
 Delights line - minimally processed, and extremely tasty.
 
 
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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Larry Colen
The breadth and depth of the arcane pedantry on this list is truly 
impressive.


On 2/5/2012 4:07 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 07:28:32PM -, Bob W wrote:



I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers . . .


Hardly.

It's not bad (and certainly a cut above Golden Shred, let alone
the high-fructose corn-syrup laden abominations perpetrated on
the American publc by the likes of Smuckers), but it's by no
means the best that is available.

Duerr have a couple of reasonable varieties (their Manchester
marmalade, for example, is what Golden Shred is trying to be,
while their 1881 Original is similar to Cooper's Oxford).
Then there's the stuff the Scandinavian's prodece; I'm quite
partial to Elki's Orange fruit spread from their Scandinavian
Delights line - minimally processed, and extremely tasty.




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Re: PESO - Sima and Ray

2012-02-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Great shot!

ann

On 2/4/2012 15:27, AlunFoto wrote:

http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2012/02/sima-and-ray.html

Shot in 2009, while visiting Mike Wilson and family.

Jostein



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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Steven Desjardins
The ultimate disrespect for the K-01:  it lost the battle for the
hearts of the PDML to toast.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 The breadth and depth of the arcane pedantry on this list is truly
 impressive.


 On 2/5/2012 4:07 PM, John Francis wrote:

 On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 07:28:32PM -, Bob W wrote:


 I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers . . .


 Hardly.

 It's not bad (and certainly a cut above Golden Shred, let alone
 the high-fructose corn-syrup laden abominations perpetrated on
 the American publc by the likes of Smuckers), but it's by no
 means the best that is available.

 Duerr have a couple of reasonable varieties (their Manchester
 marmalade, for example, is what Golden Shred is trying to be,
 while their 1881 Original is similar to Cooper's Oxford).
 Then there's the stuff the Scandinavian's prodece; I'm quite
 partial to Elki's Orange fruit spread from their Scandinavian
 Delights line - minimally processed, and extremely tasty.



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Re: PESO - Spur

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling

The French rested easy because they believed their own propaganda.

On 1/30/2012 5:59 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Fiddle-faddle! The French had the utmost confidence in the Maginot Line. They 
knew that the Germans would not even ~try~ to invade. Why the only entrance 
into France was through the Benelux Countries, and they were friends. The 
Germans were to stupid to go through Belgium.

No, the French rested easy in those idyllic pre-war years...

Cheers,
frank

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Bob Wp...@web-options.com
Sent: January 30, 2012 1/30/12
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail

She's a French film teacher, so naturally she invokes Voltaire.

In fact, as the spectator watching the film from our viewpoint, you know
what happened in the war so you can see that the trains prefigured events to
come. But bear in mind that trains have run between Germany and France
several times before WWII, and also that many of the French pre-war films
were about the coming war, which of course many people knew was going to
happen, and had a pretty good idea of the likely outcome for France. La
Regle du jeu (Renoir) is the classic example.

B





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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread David Savage
The hands down best is the kumquat stuff my mum makes.



On 6 February 2012 08:07, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 07:28:32PM -, Bob W wrote:
 
 I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers . . .

 Hardly.

 It's not bad (and certainly a cut above Golden Shred, let alone
 the high-fructose corn-syrup laden abominations perpetrated on
 the American publc by the likes of Smuckers), but it's by no
 means the best that is available.

 Duerr have a couple of reasonable varieties (their Manchester
 marmalade, for example, is what Golden Shred is trying to be,
 while their 1881 Original is similar to Cooper's Oxford).
 Then there's the stuff the Scandinavian's prodece; I'm quite
 partial to Elki's Orange fruit spread from their Scandinavian
 Delights line - minimally processed, and extremely tasty.

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OT PESO - Moore River

2012-02-05 Thread David Savage
G'day All,

I had a short weekend away with friends. Between drinks we somehow
managed to get out  take some photos.

Here's one that doesn't suck too much:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/6823836719/in/photostream/lightbox/

Enjoy.

Cheers,

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Re: Here's a list guaranteed to generate a lot of debate

2012-02-05 Thread P. J. Alling
My theory is that most of those contributing to that list were between 
20 and 25, the rest were pretty evenly divided between Nikon users, 
Canon users and Alzheimer patients...


On 1/29/2012 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

The 50 greatest cameras of all time:
http://www.photographymonthly.com/Magazine/2010/50-Greatest-Cameras-of-All-Time 



I've got a lot of issues with the list. For example the K20D, but not 
the spotmatic? Or, for that matter the K-5.


The Lumix DMC-LX3 and not the Argus C3, which was made for something 
like 35 years?






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Light painting

2012-02-05 Thread Larry Colen

I've got an idea for some photos that I'd like to do.
In short, light painting some Japanese calligraphy.
To do this, I need a flashlight with a fairly bright, fairly tight beam, 
with a non-locking push-to-close switch.


If need be, I can probably get the beam I need using a fairly bright 
light and some sort of a snoot on the beam, but all of the flashlights I 
seem to have these days have push on / push off switches.
It seemed that it used to be that all flashlights had the type of switch 
I'm looking for so that you could send morse code or something.


Anybody have suggestions on where to find a suitable flashlight for what 
I need, preferably under $20?  Or am I looking at getting creative with 
a flashlight and a switch from Radio Shack?


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Re: OT PESO - Moore River

2012-02-05 Thread Larry Colen



On 2/5/2012 4:52 PM, David Savage wrote:

G'day All,

I had a short weekend away with friends. Between drinks we somehow
managed to get out  take some photos.

Here's one that doesn't suck too much:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/6823836719/in/photostream/lightbox/


Another great one.


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Re: OT PESO - Moore River

2012-02-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Love it. Brilliant colors, nice composition, great fun.
Paul
On Feb 5, 2012, at 7:52 PM, David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,
 
 I had a short weekend away with friends. Between drinks we somehow
 managed to get out  take some photos.
 
 Here's one that doesn't suck too much:
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/6823836719/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
 Enjoy.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread John Francis

Another successful campaign by the Toast Marketing Board!

On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 07:41:04PM -0500, Steven Desjardins wrote:
 The ultimate disrespect for the K-01:  it lost the battle for the
 hearts of the PDML to toast.


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Re: OT: Nashville flea market

2012-02-05 Thread Anthony Farr
On 6 February 2012 07:08, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 The 150mm was not a popular focal length, (more expensive a 135, which
 everyone and his brother just had to have and an odd icky focal length),


Back in the dawn of photography lenses were simpler beasts and cameras
all used plates or sheets of glass, copper, tin or paper, and later on
film.  Many sizes were popular for various uses, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_format#Single_image

It followed that many different lens focal lengths were required for
each format to have a normal lens that was the best natural performer
for that image size.  To shoot longer or wider a photographer simply
fitted his camera with the normal lens of a larger or smaller camera.
Wide-angle shooting was a problem, because to make a smaller camera's
normal lens work well on a larger camera it needed to be stopped down
considerable, and still wasn't very good.  Eventually the lens
designers got better at their craft and we got decent wide angle
lenses as well as long focus and portrait lenses that were specialized
to their tasks.

Which is all a long-winded way of saying that odd icky focal
length(s) are mostly the normal lenses of forgotten formats.  120mm
is the normal lens of a 3in x 4in camera.   135mm is the normal lens
of a quarter plate camera.   150mm is the normal lens of a postcard
camera.  135mm lingered as a popular focal length.  And then someone
at Pentax felt a need to revive some less popular focal lengths, and
we got 120mm and 150mm Takumars and Pentaxes.

regards, Anthony

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PESO - Wesley

2012-02-05 Thread frank theriault
Funny day yesterday:  I didn't set out to take street portraits but
that's the way it worked out.  About an hour after I took Happy, I
bumped into Wesley.  He needed $13 to stay at a men's shelter, and
after we chatted for a few minutes, I gave him a few bucks.  Only then
did he ask if I wanted to take a photo, and he seemed genuinely
pleased that I did.  Not technically perfect (the focus is off a tad -
one of us must have moved), I still like the gentleness in his eyes:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2012/02/wesley.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: Light painting

2012-02-05 Thread Stan Halpin
I don't know if the light would be strong enough, bright enough for what you 
need, but I have a couple of different small LED lights powered by a single AA 
or a couple of buttons. Each has a twist-to-light mechanism, and when you are 
just short of screwed-in/turned-on, a push on the button at the base of the 
barrel establishes contact and the light illuminates as long as the button is 
held down.
Try looking at something like that rather than a real full-size flashlight . . .

stan

On Feb 5, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 I've got an idea for some photos that I'd like to do.
 In short, light painting some Japanese calligraphy.
 To do this, I need a flashlight with a fairly bright, fairly tight beam, with 
 a non-locking push-to-close switch.
 
 If need be, I can probably get the beam I need using a fairly bright light 
 and some sort of a snoot on the beam, but all of the flashlights I seem to 
 have these days have push on / push off switches.
 It seemed that it used to be that all flashlights had the type of switch I'm 
 looking for so that you could send morse code or something.
 
 Anybody have suggestions on where to find a suitable flashlight for what I 
 need, preferably under $20?  Or am I looking at getting creative with a 
 flashlight and a switch from Radio Shack?
 
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Re: PESO - Wesley

2012-02-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice portrait, Frank, with a lot of character.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:14 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Funny day yesterday:  I didn't set out to take street portraits but
 that's the way it worked out.  About an hour after I took Happy, I
 bumped into Wesley.  He needed $13 to stay at a men's shelter, and
 after we chatted for a few minutes, I gave him a few bucks.  Only then
 did he ask if I wanted to take a photo, and he seemed genuinely
 pleased that I did.  Not technically perfect (the focus is off a tad -
 one of us must have moved), I still like the gentleness in his eyes:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2012/02/wesley.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

 cheers,
 frank

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Re: Light painting

2012-02-05 Thread David Savage
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1600-Lm-CREE-XML-T6-LED-Zoomable-Flashlight-Torch-18650-Battery-Charger-/280796300688?pt=AU_Sport_Camping_Hiking_Lamps_Torcheshash=item4160c38590

I personally use an LED Lenser that runs off 4 AAA  is crazy bright.

Are you looking at writing onto objects?


On 6 February 2012 09:27, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I've got an idea for some photos that I'd like to do.
 In short, light painting some Japanese calligraphy.
 To do this, I need a flashlight with a fairly bright, fairly tight beam,
 with a non-locking push-to-close switch.

 If need be, I can probably get the beam I need using a fairly bright light
 and some sort of a snoot on the beam, but all of the flashlights I seem to
 have these days have push on / push off switches.
 It seemed that it used to be that all flashlights had the type of switch I'm
 looking for so that you could send morse code or something.

 Anybody have suggestions on where to find a suitable flashlight for what I
 need, preferably under $20?  Or am I looking at getting creative with a
 flashlight and a switch from Radio Shack?

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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread Anthony Farr
On 4 February 2012 04:11, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:

 i despise most toasters; there are only a few worth having, the rest
 designed to fail after a few years; almost all the ones built to last are
 40-50 years old; someone gave me a KitchenAid toaster with a pretty flexible
 functional design, so i use it, waiting for it to burn out, or the buttons
 sealed under flexible plastic to crack; my old purely mechanical heavy
 chromed steel toaster will go back in service as soon as it is needed; its
 only flaw is it doesn't fit Bagels, but i have a 40-year-old toaster oven
 that will handle them



So, I suppose you ~wouldn't~ appreciate a Talkie Toaster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec

regards, Anthony

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Re: K-01 is here...

2012-02-05 Thread John Francis

To drag this thread vaguely back on topic, and to provide at least
a modicum of support for my claims of some knowledge in this area,
I offer this photograph (albeit using the Olympus, not a  Pentax:

http://www.jfwaf.com/temp/Marmalade.jpg

[As you may surmise, I *do* like marmalade. But I'd be prepared to
believe that the Kumquat marmalade mentioned by a different poster
is better than any of the varieties I have in the cupboard; I have
made my own Kumquat marmalade in the past, and found it excellent]


On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 04:12:59PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
 The breadth and depth of the arcane pedantry on this list is truly
 impressive.
 
 On 2/5/2012 4:07 PM, John Francis wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 07:28:32PM -, Bob W wrote:
 
 I dislike marmalade, but the best is Frank Coopers . . .
 
 Hardly.
 
 It's not bad (and certainly a cut above Golden Shred, let alone
 the high-fructose corn-syrup laden abominations perpetrated on
 the American publc by the likes of Smuckers), but it's by no
 means the best that is available.
 
 Duerr have a couple of reasonable varieties (their Manchester
 marmalade, for example, is what Golden Shred is trying to be,
 while their 1881 Original is similar to Cooper's Oxford).
 Then there's the stuff the Scandinavian's produce; I'm quite
 partial to Elki's Orange fruit spread from their Scandinavian
 Delights line - minimally processed, and extremely tasty.
 
 
 
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Re: PESO - Wesley

2012-02-05 Thread David Savage
That really is a rather lovely portrait.

Nice work mate.

DS

On 6 February 2012 10:14, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Funny day yesterday:  I didn't set out to take street portraits but
 that's the way it worked out.  About an hour after I took Happy, I
 bumped into Wesley.  He needed $13 to stay at a men's shelter, and
 after we chatted for a few minutes, I gave him a few bucks.  Only then
 did he ask if I wanted to take a photo, and he seemed genuinely
 pleased that I did.  Not technically perfect (the focus is off a tad -
 one of us must have moved), I still like the gentleness in his eyes:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2012/02/wesley.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

 cheers,
 frank

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Re: The Dog Walkers

2012-02-05 Thread Rick Womer
Not silly at all.  The FA 24-90 was my favorite lens on my (P)Z-1p, and it 
still spends lots of time on my K-7.

Rick
 
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


- Original Message -
From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com
To: pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 3:25 PM
Subject: The Dog Walkers

I submit this photo not so much as art but as a lens test. I recently
bought a SMC Pentax FA 35-80 off Amazon $40 shipped. Looked to be new
in the box. I took it for a test walk Thurs. I wasn't expecting much
but I have been pleasantly surprised. This zoom range seems to be on
everyone's walk-around lens list. I think I have found mine. Putting
this on my K-5 seems a little silly but here's the result.

These ladies happily agreed to my request for a photo and posed
themselves. The only issues I have otherwise is terrible lens flare as
it has no hood. I have ordered a couple of lens hoods to see if one
helps.

Comments?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/6818580139/

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Re: PESO - Happy

2012-02-05 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Thanks, Dave, and thanks to everyone else who commented. She was quite a 
character!

cheers,
frank

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Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
Sent: February 5, 2012 2/5/12
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - Happy

Happy indeed. Good one

Dave

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 She told (not asked) me to take her picture:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2012/02/happy.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO - Sima and Ray

2012-02-05 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
I agree with Ann. Great shot!

Cheers,
frank

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--- Original Message ---

From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
Sent: February 5, 2012 2/5/12
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - Sima and Ray

Great shot!

ann

On 2/4/2012 15:27, AlunFoto wrote:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2012/02/sima-and-ray.html

 Shot in 2009, while visiting Mike Wilson and family.

 Jostein


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