Re: Photo from Italy

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Exquisite!

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 I've been back from Italy for over a week and haven't posted any
 photos. Until now. I'm keeping very busy with my Photoshop book but I
 had to make time for at least one image from Italy.

 This is in Milan. I forget what the magnificent building used to be
 used for but now it's a high end shopping area (the store in the
 center is Prada). When I entered the place I thought this is like
 being inside an HDR photo! So I thought WTF, let's do HDR. I
 deliberately *didn't* use the de-ghosting feature of Merge to HDR.

 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06620-23.jpg
 (Big image, in pixel dimensions and file size)


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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
that is handy for transportation, obviously.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The only 
 complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it looks 
 and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has one 
 but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a bit 
 expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




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 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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Re: Should I send my K-5 in for service?

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
John, can it be that any authorized camera service willing give your
sensor a proper cleaning would do? It seems to me that an experienced
camera technician (not necessarily exclusive to Pentax brand) could
help you and obviously, to clean a sensor won't cost you an arm and a
leg.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:59 PM, John Celio
neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you take a look at the four pictures in the following gallery, you
 will see two little blobs on the right side that become clearer as the
 aperture is stopped down:

 http://imgur.com/a/IG40x
 (to see an image at full resolution, hover your mouse over the image,
 click the gear icon that appears and select view full resolution.)

 The blob closer to the center is probably regular old dust that would
 go away with a puff from a blower ball. The other blob (the darker one
 closer to the right side), however, is a problem. It won't go away
 with air or Sensor Swabs. I even took a risk and tried a compressed
 air blast once. No dice.

 I'm worried it may be some sort of actual damage to the sensor, even
 though I can't really think of anything that could have caused that.

 My question is, which of the following would you do:

 A) Send it to Pentax/CRIS and see what they say. I'm worried this will
 be very expensive (as in, replace-the-sensor expensive), and I don't
 have the money to spend on repairs right now.
 B) Deal with it in Photoshop until a replacement for the K-5 comes
 out, and then start saving to get that. (I'm nearly finished paying
 off the last of my recession-incurred debts, so saving will be much
 easier starting this fall)

 Other ideas would be welcome, too.

 Thanks,
 John

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Re: July Extra PUG - Open Gallery - is UP

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Thanks, Brian!

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Brian Walters
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 G'day all

 A great gallery with plenty of variety.

 A few favourites:

 Bob's 'Looking for a mate' - just fantastic
 Aahz's 'Endicott Sunset' - stunning colour
 Gerrit's 'Done Fishing' - simple but effective composition
 Bruce's 'Test Shot' - wonderful smile
 Ann's 'Soho Shadows' - the title says it all
 Boris' 'Ceramic Potters' - really effective shallow depth of field

 As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/

 (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)

 Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
 infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
 gallery, let me know.

 +

 Coming up for August is 'Signs of the Times'; nominal closing date 31 July.
 There are already 3 submissions.

 Submit here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

 Submission Guidelines here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

 The main requirements are:
 * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
 * Max file size: 300k
 * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or
 lens used is Pentax.
 * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that
 the image is displayed correctly on line.


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PESOs: Micro PDLM meeting in Greenwich

2013-07-24 Thread Chris Mitchell
Bob and I met up with Rick who's over on a fleeting visit. We had a
pleasant couple of hours in Greenwich where my son Pete also joined
us. Here's a snap of Rick when I found him by the Cutty Sark:
http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2569.jpg

And here he is at the Old Brewery where we had supper:
http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2589.jpg

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Re: Should I send my K-5 in for service?

2013-07-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
CRIS won't perform ny repairs without your authorization. They're quite 
reasonable and willing to negotiate.

Paul
On Jul 24, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 John, can it be that any authorized camera service willing give your
 sensor a proper cleaning would do? It seems to me that an experienced
 camera technician (not necessarily exclusive to Pentax brand) could
 help you and obviously, to clean a sensor won't cost you an arm and a
 leg.
 
 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:59 PM, John Celio
 neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you take a look at the four pictures in the following gallery, you
 will see two little blobs on the right side that become clearer as the
 aperture is stopped down:
 
 http://imgur.com/a/IG40x
 (to see an image at full resolution, hover your mouse over the image,
 click the gear icon that appears and select view full resolution.)
 
 The blob closer to the center is probably regular old dust that would
 go away with a puff from a blower ball. The other blob (the darker one
 closer to the right side), however, is a problem. It won't go away
 with air or Sensor Swabs. I even took a risk and tried a compressed
 air blast once. No dice.
 
 I'm worried it may be some sort of actual damage to the sensor, even
 though I can't really think of anything that could have caused that.
 
 My question is, which of the following would you do:
 
 A) Send it to Pentax/CRIS and see what they say. I'm worried this will
 be very expensive (as in, replace-the-sensor expensive), and I don't
 have the money to spend on repairs right now.
 B) Deal with it in Photoshop until a replacement for the K-5 comes
 out, and then start saving to get that. (I'm nearly finished paying
 off the last of my recession-incurred debts, so saving will be much
 easier starting this fall)
 
 Other ideas would be welcome, too.
 
 Thanks,
 John
 
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Re: KEH has an A* 135mm f1.8

2013-07-24 Thread Bill

On 23/07/2013 9:42 PM, Walt wrote:

On 7/23/2013 6:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

No Walt, I won't
give you my 77ltd so that I have an excuse to by the 85/1.4.
I'm glad you didn't have to see me flounce out of the room and slam 
the door just now.



I didn't let having a 77 stop me from buying an A*85/1.4.
And neither should you.

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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
feature. Decisions decisions.

Dave

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The only 
 complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it looks 
 and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has 
 one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a 
 bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
One of local Pentaxians had 17-70/4. The SDM failed on him and being a
handy person he took it apart. I won't repeat what he told me so as
not to insult anyone. It was a very strong arguments against the SDM
lenses, at least the cheaper ones.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
 have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
 but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
 t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
 feature. Decisions decisions.

 Dave

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The 
 only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes 
 loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it looks 
 and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has 
 one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a 
 bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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  http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread David Parsons
Fader filters don't work too well below 70mm, especially as you get to
the higher levels of filtering.  An X tends to appear in the image due
to the design of the filter.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:27 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
 have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
 but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
 t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
 feature. Decisions decisions.

 Dave

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The 
 only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes 
 loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it looks 
 and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has 
 one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a 
 bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

  --
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  www.caughtinmotion.com
  http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
  York Region, Ontario, Canada

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Re: July Extra PUG - Open Gallery - is UP

2013-07-24 Thread Alan C
Thanks, Brian. Excellent stuff. There certainly are many talented 
photographers in the group. Bob's looking for a mate immediately caught my 
eye too. From the thumbnail I initially thought Gerrit's  Done Fishing was 
a windsurfer.


Alan C

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Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:59 AM
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Subject: July Extra PUG - Open Gallery - is UP

G'day all

A great gallery with plenty of variety.

A few favourites:

Bob's 'Looking for a mate' - just fantastic
Aahz's 'Endicott Sunset' - stunning colour
Gerrit's 'Done Fishing' - simple but effective composition
Bruce's 'Test Shot' - wonderful smile
Ann's 'Soho Shadows' - the title says it all
Boris' 'Ceramic Potters' - really effective shallow depth of field

As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

+

Coming up for August is 'Signs of the Times'; nominal closing date 31
July.  There are already 3 submissions.

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Zos Xavius
what did he say? why would we be insulted? if its poorly built, its
poorly built.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of local Pentaxians had 17-70/4. The SDM failed on him and being a
 handy person he took it apart. I won't repeat what he told me so as
 not to insult anyone. It was a very strong arguments against the SDM
 lenses, at least the cheaper ones.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
 have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
 but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
 t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
 feature. Decisions decisions.

 Dave

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The 
 only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes 
 loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it 
 looks and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has 
 one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a 
 bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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Just got an Amazon Deal alert!

2013-07-24 Thread P.J. Alling
I don't know what's more amazing, that they think that anyone would pay 
$600. for it or that they still have 5 brand new ones in stock.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0028N7442/ref=pe_62860_31277760_email_1p_3_lm

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Re: PESOs: Micro PDLM meeting in Greenwich

2013-07-24 Thread Alan C

The makeover looks good. When I was there last, they were still busy.

Alan C

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Subject: PESOs: Micro PDLM meeting in Greenwich

Bob and I met up with Rick who's over on a fleeting visit. We had a
pleasant couple of hours in Greenwich where my son Pete also joined
us. Here's a snap of Rick when I found him by the Cutty Sark:
http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2569.jpg

And here he is at the Old Brewery where we had supper:
http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2589.jpg

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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Stan Halpin
Boris said: ...indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy

Boris, I have found this to be a general phenomenon; as things age, they start 
to appear creepy to others. You'll find out soon enough!

stan


On Jul 24, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.
 
 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The only 
 complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it looks 
 and feels extremely compact.
 
 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has 
 one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a 
 bit expensive.
 
 Regards,
 Jaume
 
 
 
 
 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range
 
 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.
 
 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.
 
 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Hey all.
 
 This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
 zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
 VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
 shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
 16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
 what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.
 
 So
 
 
 Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
 lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???
 
 I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.
 
 Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
 Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
 on that one.
 
 Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,
 
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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Zos Xavius
LOL...so true.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Boris said: ...indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy

 Boris, I have found this to be a general phenomenon; as things age, they 
 start to appear creepy to others. You'll find out soon enough!

 stan


 On Jul 24, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The 
 only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes 
 loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it looks 
 and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has 
 one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a 
 bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Hey all.

 This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
 zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
 VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
 shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
 16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
 what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

 So


 Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
 lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

 I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

 Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
 Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
 on that one.

 Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

 Dave

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PESO: Return of the Drone

2013-07-24 Thread Stan Halpin
An addition to my on-going Long Lake 2013 gallery, this is a shot of one of 
Ann's favorite critters. Last featured performing hazardous duty as a escort to 
a loon, today we see the intrepid drone at rest on the dock . . .

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649/h6f441a6f#h6f441a6f

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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Pretty much he said that it was shameful engineering...

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 what did he say? why would we be insulted? if its poorly built, its
 poorly built.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of local Pentaxians had 17-70/4. The SDM failed on him and being a
 handy person he took it apart. I won't repeat what he told me so as
 not to insult anyone. It was a very strong arguments against the SDM
 lenses, at least the cheaper ones.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
 have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
 but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
 t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
 feature. Decisions decisions.

 Dave

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The 
 only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes 
 loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it 
 looks and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has 
 one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems 
 a bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, I was expecting that someone would notice my use of the word
creepy... And so it came to be ;-).

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 LOL...so true.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Boris said: ...indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy

 Boris, I have found this to be a general phenomenon; as things age, they 
 start to appear creepy to others. You'll find out soon enough!

 stan


 On Jul 24, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The 
 only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes 
 loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it 
 looks and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has 
 one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a 
 bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Hey all.

 This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
 zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
 VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
 shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
 16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
 what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

 So


 Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
 lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

 I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

 Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
 Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
 on that one.

 Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

 Dave

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Re: 16-50/2.8 (was Re: saved someone from Nigerian Paypal scam?)

2013-07-24 Thread Zos Xavius
I have the 16-45, but the wobbly barrel is killing my corners
randomly. In portrait the upper half tends to get soft. I have two
copies of this lens. The one I'm using now is very good when it is
sharp, but inconsistent. I would pay to have one of them tightened,
but I'm afraid that it will just get loose again rather quickly. I
think the build quality is simply awful. Great glass inside though
unfortunately. I tend to use it stopped down to f9-f11, but at f7.1
and lower the corners get pretty sad looking, so only good for
closeups or when DOF is in play. Its pushing me to bite the bullet and
start saving for a 16-50, though I don't know if I will really get any
better IQ from that at the 16mm mark to be honest. I really wish
pentax had some better wide-normal zooms at a reasonable price. The
17-70 doesn't do it for me.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:13 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 on 2013-07-23 13:44 Aahz Maruch wrote

 Steve, the other advantage of the 16-50, of course, is that you're not
 having to switch lenses.


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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Zos Xavius
i think the big problem is that the lubricant seizes on the sdm motors
rendering them useless. my guess is that they've fixed SDM now that
they finally admitted it was faulty. they should have offered to fix
everyone's lenses. way to stand by your products pentax! fuji bit the
bullet and replaced a bunch of sensors on their cameras.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pretty much he said that it was shameful engineering...

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 what did he say? why would we be insulted? if its poorly built, its
 poorly built.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of local Pentaxians had 17-70/4. The SDM failed on him and being a
 handy person he took it apart. I won't repeat what he told me so as
 not to insult anyone. It was a very strong arguments against the SDM
 lenses, at least the cheaper ones.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
 have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
 but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
 t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
 feature. Decisions decisions.

 Dave

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The 
 only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes 
 loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it 
 looks and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma 
 has one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one 
 seems a bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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Re: PESO: Echinacea

2013-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Ken, Bob and Bruce, thanks for looking and thanks for your comments.
I liked the shape of the group in my original PESO, despite the OoF
flowers at the top.  I decided to take your advice, and cropped the
image:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17471959

I hope this is an improvement.  Comments are invited.

I had done a similar arrangement originally, but the flowers in that
grouping were a little ragged.

Thanks again.
Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Gorgeous colour; just the right amount of under exposure.

 But like Ken and Bob say collectively: crop-me. :-)


 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Like ken says, very nice but you don't need the top.  Regards,  Bob S.

 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Kenneth Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com 
 wrote:

 Very nice capture Dan but The top OOF portion is irrelevant IMO. A much 
 stronger image without it.

 -Original Message-
From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
Subject: PESO: Echinacea

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17468791
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESOs: Micro PDLM meeting in Greenwich

2013-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very nice portrait of Rick.

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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 Bob and I met up with Rick who's over on a fleeting visit. We had a
 pleasant couple of hours in Greenwich where my son Pete also joined
 us. Here's a snap of Rick when I found him by the Cutty Sark:
 http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2569.jpg

 And here he is at the Old Brewery where we had supper:
 http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2589.jpg

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Re: Photo from Italy

2013-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
WOW!  That image is quite special.  That is the way HDR should be used.

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 I've been back from Italy for over a week and haven't posted any
 photos. Until now. I'm keeping very busy with my Photoshop book but I
 had to make time for at least one image from Italy.

 This is in Milan. I forget what the magnificent building used to be
 used for but now it's a high end shopping area (the store in the
 center is Prada). When I entered the place I thought this is like
 being inside an HDR photo! So I thought WTF, let's do HDR. I
 deliberately *didn't* use the de-ghosting feature of Merge to HDR.

 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06620-23.jpg
 (Big image, in pixel dimensions and file size)


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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread P.J. Alling
You don't really want to look inside any modern autofocus lens.  
Compared to even the cheapest old brass and glass manual focus lens 
they appear to be made of well the best was I can describe it is cheap 
roughly finished stampings.  The Japanese especially have a knack of 
reducing the cost and making parts only as costly as they absolutely 
have to be.  Let's take two similar lenses, which I've partially 
disassembled.  a Vivitar 17-28mm rectilinear from the 1980's, and a 
Pentax FA 20-35mm rectilinear.  The internal parts of the Vivitar were 
all metal, machined and cast very nicely finished, hand assembled and in 
operation the zoom and focus rings turned as smooth as silk.  The 
Pentax, well except for a the gearing mostly plastic not rough finished 
but not the smoothest either, the gearing for the autofocus is aparently 
stainless steel and very nicely finished and pretty close fit, the rest 
fit together nicely but still a bit loose.  The zoom and focus rings 
were nicely damped but the feel was plastic sliding on plastic, with the 
focus ring sometimes eliciting a slight whirring sound from the metal 
gearing.  The difference, the Pentax focuses accurately at all focal 
lengths, the Vivitar not so much, those lovely finished cast and 
machined parts were made not of brass, but some kind of pot metal, that 
was too easily deformed, so a few moderate knocks and the focus while 
smooth made no apparent change in the viewfinder or on film, which was 
why I took it apart.  The Pentax by the way got some fine grit in it's 
works, and I only took it apart enough to blow it out.  Once reassembled 
it works well to this day.  I've partially disassembled a number of 
autofocus lenses and really I don't want to know what's inside as long 
as they work.  They remind me of computer programs under the covers.


On 7/24/2013 8:35 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

what did he say? why would we be insulted? if its poorly built, its
poorly built.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

One of local Pentaxians had 17-70/4. The SDM failed on him and being a
handy person he took it apart. I won't repeat what he told me so as
not to insult anyone. It was a very strong arguments against the SDM
lenses, at least the cheaper ones.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
feature. Decisions decisions.

Dave

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
that is handy for transportation, obviously.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi,

I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The only 
complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually becomes loose.
I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it looks and 
feels extremely compact.

However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma has one 
but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one seems a bit 
expensive.

Regards,
Jaume




- Mensaje original -

De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
CC:
Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
(notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
(Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
won't break down just because.

Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
wrote:

  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 ish
  

PESO 2013 - Guggenheim - GDG

2013-07-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Back home from my NY trip. Travel home was difficult. However, New York was fun 
... On Sunday, my brother and I had a moment to get down to the Guggenheim for 
the James Turrell exhibit. Marvelous ... catch it if you can. 

Some photos from the excursion..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356262623/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9359039256/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356263871/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356267301/lightbox

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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Zos, he was referring to very low quality of plastics used in the
moving parts of the mechanism and in general to very poor engineering
quality of the whole mechanism. But again - we're playing a broken
phone here. Suffices it to say, I opted not to buy DA 17-70 and
ultimately decided to stay with good old screw-driven AF of my Sigma
17-70...

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 i think the big problem is that the lubricant seizes on the sdm motors
 rendering them useless. my guess is that they've fixed SDM now that
 they finally admitted it was faulty. they should have offered to fix
 everyone's lenses. way to stand by your products pentax! fuji bit the
 bullet and replaced a bunch of sensors on their cameras.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pretty much he said that it was shameful engineering...

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 what did he say? why would we be insulted? if its poorly built, its
 poorly built.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of local Pentaxians had 17-70/4. The SDM failed on him and being a
 handy person he took it apart. I won't repeat what he told me so as
 not to insult anyone. It was a very strong arguments against the SDM
 lenses, at least the cheaper ones.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
 have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
 but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
 t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
 feature. Decisions decisions.

 Dave

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. The 
 only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually 
 becomes loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it 
 looks and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma 
 has one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one 
 seems a bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used 
 the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 
 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm 
 humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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Re: PESOs: Micro PDLM meeting in Greenwich

2013-07-24 Thread P.J. Alling

I wouldn't know for sure, but I would guess it does show his best side.

On 7/24/2013 9:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Very nice portrait of Rick.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

Bob and I met up with Rick who's over on a fleeting visit. We had a
pleasant couple of hours in Greenwich where my son Pete also joined
us. Here's a snap of Rick when I found him by the Cutty Sark:
http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2569.jpg

And here he is at the Old Brewery where we had supper:
http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2589.jpg

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Re: PESO 2013 - Guggenheim - GDG

2013-07-24 Thread Bruce Walker
All good. Especially like the tones and clean lines in the first one,
and the light and shadowed figures in #4. Very fine.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
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 Back home from my NY trip. Travel home was difficult. However, New York was 
 fun ... On Sunday, my brother and I had a moment to get down to the 
 Guggenheim for the James Turrell exhibit. Marvelous ... catch it if you can.

 Some photos from the excursion..

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356262623/lightbox
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9359039256/lightbox
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356263871/lightbox
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356267301/lightbox

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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Zos Xavius
screw drive for the win! :)

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Zos, he was referring to very low quality of plastics used in the
 moving parts of the mechanism and in general to very poor engineering
 quality of the whole mechanism. But again - we're playing a broken
 phone here. Suffices it to say, I opted not to buy DA 17-70 and
 ultimately decided to stay with good old screw-driven AF of my Sigma
 17-70...

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 i think the big problem is that the lubricant seizes on the sdm motors
 rendering them useless. my guess is that they've fixed SDM now that
 they finally admitted it was faulty. they should have offered to fix
 everyone's lenses. way to stand by your products pentax! fuji bit the
 bullet and replaced a bunch of sensors on their cameras.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pretty much he said that it was shameful engineering...

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 what did he say? why would we be insulted? if its poorly built, its
 poorly built.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of local Pentaxians had 17-70/4. The SDM failed on him and being a
 handy person he took it apart. I won't repeat what he told me so as
 not to insult anyone. It was a very strong arguments against the SDM
 lenses, at least the cheaper ones.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
 have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
 but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
 t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
 feature. Decisions decisions.

 Dave

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. 
 The only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually 
 becomes loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it 
 looks and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma 
 has one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax one 
 seems a bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used 
 the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not 
 get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 
 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm 
 humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Zos, you have to realize that availability of service, its quality and
the fact that I normally don't have backup for everything (such as
every lens, etc) are important factors here. If you have good service
and have sufficiently many lenses, the SDM may not pose that much of
an issue.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 screw drive for the win! :)

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Zos, he was referring to very low quality of plastics used in the
 moving parts of the mechanism and in general to very poor engineering
 quality of the whole mechanism. But again - we're playing a broken
 phone here. Suffices it to say, I opted not to buy DA 17-70 and
 ultimately decided to stay with good old screw-driven AF of my Sigma
 17-70...

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 i think the big problem is that the lubricant seizes on the sdm motors
 rendering them useless. my guess is that they've fixed SDM now that
 they finally admitted it was faulty. they should have offered to fix
 everyone's lenses. way to stand by your products pentax! fuji bit the
 bullet and replaced a bunch of sensors on their cameras.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pretty much he said that it was shameful engineering...

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 what did he say? why would we be insulted? if its poorly built, its
 poorly built.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of local Pentaxians had 17-70/4. The SDM failed on him and being a
 handy person he took it apart. I won't repeat what he told me so as
 not to insult anyone. It was a very strong arguments against the SDM
 lenses, at least the cheaper ones.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Thanks for the comments so far. Given me some things to think about. I
 have a fader ND filter at 67mm dia, so the Pentax 17-70 would fit it,
 but leery of the SDM from what i have read previously. I don
 t need IS as its in the K-5 body so that would be a wasted Sigma
 feature. Decisions decisions.

 Dave

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I concur. Although when I first saw the lens in your hands, Jaume, I
 did not expect to own it some day. I should point that it is not that
 heavy given the speed and zoom range. It is rather well made although
 indeed eventually the zoom becomes creepy. It does have the zoom look
 that is handy for transportation, obviously.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 Hi,

 I also have the old Sigma 17-70 (actually I think that I have some 
 responsibility in Boris owning one...) and I second Boris comments. 
 The only complaint is that is is a bit heavy and the zoom eventually 
 becomes loose.
 I have physically seen the latest version and I have to admit that it 
 looks and feels extremely compact.

 However, my favorite compromise range / IQ would be the 18-135. Sigma 
 has one but its reputation is worst than the 17-70s and the Pentax 
 one seems a bit expensive.

 Regards,
 Jaume




 - Mensaje original -
 De: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 CC:
 Enviado: Martes 23 de julio de 2013 13:47
 Asunto: Re: the 16-45 to 17-70 range

 Dave, I've (the oldest version of) Sigma 17-70/2.8-4.5. Such lenses
 can be had for order of USD 250-300. I cannot praise mine enough. It
 successfully replaced DA* 16-50/2.8. Later versions are 17-70/2.8-4.0
 (notice faster long end of the zoom range) and further introduced HSM
 (Sigma's ultrasonic AF) and OS (Optical image Stabilization). I opted
 out of these as I wanted something as simple as possible so that it
 won't break down just because.

 Optically I've no complaints at all. It just what suits me best right
 now if and when I have to shoot with DSLR.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hey all.

  This last week at the plow demo got me thinking again about my 
 short
  zoom, the 16-45. Normally i take two cameras, the D2H with re 
 70-200
  VR f2.8 and the D200 with the 18-70. I use the 18-70 for the closer
  shots when the teams come at me. This year i took the K-5 and used 
 the
  16-45. It performed fine, but at 45 at the long end just does not 
 get
  what i want before i switch back to the longer zoom.

  So


  Im thinking something along the lines of the Pentax or Sigma 17-70 
 ish
  lenses, and i think i saw on  Henrys site an 18-135???

  I know these have come up before just looking for opinions.

  Also the 55-30 is still on my list, although the sales person at
  Henreys showed me the Sigma version, a bit cheaper and now i'm 
 humming
  on that one.

  Comments about the short zooms or the Sigma 55-300 appreciated,

  Dave

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Re: PESO: Return of the Drone

2013-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Wow Stan, that's really close up!
Were you using the 35mm Macro?
Nice and crisp.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 An addition to my on-going Long Lake 2013 gallery, this is a shot of one of 
 Ann's favorite critters. Last featured performing hazardous duty as a escort 
 to a loon, today we see the intrepid drone at rest on the dock . . .

 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649/h6f441a6f#h6f441a6f

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Re: PESO: Return of the Drone

2013-07-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele

 We'll worry if the loon goes missing now

ann

On 7/24/2013 09:15, Stan Halpin wrote:

An addition to my on-going Long Lake 2013 gallery, this is a shot of one of 
Ann's favorite critters.


 Last featured performing hazardous duty as a escort to a loon, today 
we see the intrepid drone at rest on the dock . . .


http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649/h6f441a6f#h6f441a6f

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Re: PESO 2013 - Guggenheim - GDG

2013-07-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Nice series... fun shot of the people lying on the floor photoing the 
lights  - nice minamalist Guggenheim view.


Sorry not to see you , as you know, but not sorry to have missed the 
light show and the crowds there.


Godders is understating his travel difficulties - you see there was this
little plane crash at the airport he was to leave from ...

ann

On 7/24/2013 09:36, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Back home from my NY trip. Travel home was difficult. However, New York was fun 
...


 On Sunday, my brother and I had a moment to get down to the Guggenheim 
for the James Turrell exhibit.


 Marvelous ... catch it if you can.


Some photos from the excursion..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356262623/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9359039256/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356263871/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356267301/lightbox

Thanks for looking, Comments appreciated.

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Re: Just got an Amazon Deal alert!

2013-07-24 Thread Igor Roshchin


P.J.,

What a bargain!
Directly from Amazon, it costs almost twice as much.
Hurry up, just one left!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OHDBZS/?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
:-)

(oops, that's a kit, but anyway...)

Cheers,

Igor


Wed Jul 24 08:44:10 EDT 2013
P.J. Alling wrote:

 I don't know what's more amazing, that they think that anyone would pay 
 $600. for it or that they still have 5 brand new ones in stock.
 
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Re: Just got an Amazon Deal alert!

2013-07-24 Thread Zos Xavius
I have a minty K-7 I'll sell you for $500.. :P

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 P.J.,

 What a bargain!
 Directly from Amazon, it costs almost twice as much.
 Hurry up, just one left!
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OHDBZS/?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
 :-)

 (oops, that's a kit, but anyway...)

 Cheers,

 Igor


 Wed Jul 24 08:44:10 EDT 2013
 P.J. Alling wrote:

 I don't know what's more amazing, that they think that anyone would pay
 $600. for it or that they still have 5 brand new ones in stock.

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Re: Re: July Extra PUG - Open Gallery - is UP

2013-07-24 Thread Don Guthrie
Super excellent gallery. Kudos to every poster. The best caption goes to 
Alan Cole. Hippo Surfing . A title I shall never have an opportunity 
to use.


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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:33:47 -0400
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Subject: Re: July Extra PUG - Open Gallery - is UP
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Super gallery

Dave

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:59 AM, Brian Waltersapathy...@lyons-ryan.org  wrote:

G'day all

A great gallery with plenty of variety.

A few favourites:

Bob's 'Looking for a mate' - just fantastic
Aahz's 'Endicott Sunset' - stunning colour
Gerrit's 'Done Fishing' - simple but effective composition
Bruce's 'Test Shot' - wonderful smile
Ann's 'Soho Shadows' - the title says it all
Boris' 'Ceramic Potters' - really effective shallow depth of field

As usual, you'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous Gallery there)

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

+

Coming up for August is 'Signs of the Times'; nominal closing date 31 July.
There are already 3 submissions.

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body or
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* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to ensure that
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A bit closer to my first cyanotype

2013-07-24 Thread Darren Addy
(This is not OT, since the original image was created with my Pentax K-5.)
I mentioned in a previous thread, my interest in Alternative
Processes. That interest was reawakened at our local Art in the Park
a couple of Sunday's ago. There was a Nebraska practitioner of
Alternative Processes there (that I had never heard of before) by the
name of Jason Jilg.
http://www.jasonjilg.com/home

His work was quite lovely and he displayed cyanotypes, salt prints,
bromide prints, and tin types. I got to visit with him briefly and
gathered a few nuggets of information. He is soon moving to Wisconsin,
but apparently he had offered classes through the Sheldon Art Gallery
in Lincoln, NE (which I was also unaware of).

Anyway, this reminded me that I had intended to purchase Jill
Enfield's new title after it was published in June, so I did. I can
highly recommend it and even wrote a review on Amazon for it. In
addition, I checked another book that is considered a classic in that
field entitled, Coming into Focus by John Barnier. This book is
apparently used in many classes and so was in short supply when I last
looked (and textbook expensive). However, this is a good time to
purchase textbooks (before students begin purchasing them again for
August classes) and I found a Very Good copy for less than $20
shipped. While I was at it, I purchased the chemistry for cyanotypes
(Photographers' Formulary 07-0091 Liquid Cyanotype Printing Kit) and
some hake brushes.

I've created the inverted image files for a couple of different
versions of my image God Rays that I hope will make a decent
cyanotype. I have the transparency material (Inkpress Transparency
Film, 8-1/2x11) and I plan on printing 7x10-1/2 on watercolor paper
from the local Hobby Lobby.

Once I have a few transparencies, I'd like to experiment with some of
the other processes beginning with Van Dyke brown.

If there is anyone on the list that has dabbled in Alternative
Processes, I'd love to hear your experiences.

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For those too lazy to make their own, or don't have an Old Holga to salvage.

2013-07-24 Thread P.J. Alling

Only $24.00

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/313120-Holga-Lens-for-Pentax-DSLR-Cameras


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Re: Should I send my K-5 in for service?

2013-07-24 Thread John Sessoms

I'm sure it would. The guy who comes to GFM is not exclusively Pentax.
He's mostly CaNikon. I don't have any idea where I'd find a guy who only
cleans Pentax sensors.

On 7/24/2013 2:23 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

John, can it be that any authorized camera service willing give your
sensor a proper cleaning would do? It seems to me that an experienced
camera technician (not necessarily exclusive to Pentax brand) could
help you and obviously, to clean a sensor won't cost you an arm and a
leg.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:59 PM, John Celio
neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote:

If you take a look at the four pictures in the following gallery, you
will see two little blobs on the right side that become clearer as the
aperture is stopped down:

http://imgur.com/a/IG40x
(to see an image at full resolution, hover your mouse over the image,
click the gear icon that appears and select view full resolution.)

The blob closer to the center is probably regular old dust that would
go away with a puff from a blower ball. The other blob (the darker one
closer to the right side), however, is a problem. It won't go away
with air or Sensor Swabs. I even took a risk and tried a compressed
air blast once. No dice.

I'm worried it may be some sort of actual damage to the sensor, even
though I can't really think of anything that could have caused that.

My question is, which of the following would you do:

A) Send it to Pentax/CRIS and see what they say. I'm worried this will
be very expensive (as in, replace-the-sensor expensive), and I don't
have the money to spend on repairs right now.
B) Deal with it in Photoshop until a replacement for the K-5 comes
out, and then start saving to get that. (I'm nearly finished paying
off the last of my recession-incurred debts, so saving will be much
easier starting this fall)

Other ideas would be welcome, too.

Thanks,
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Re: PESO 2013 - Guggenheim - GDG

2013-07-24 Thread John

9356262623 is the most excellent abstract.

What are the people lying on the floor looking at?


On 7/24/2013 9:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Back home from my NY trip. Travel home was difficult. However, New
York was fun ... On Sunday, my brother and I had a moment to get down
to the Guggenheim for the James Turrell exhibit. Marvelous ... catch
it if you can.

Some photos from the excursion..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356262623/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9359039256/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356263871/lightbox
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/9356267301/lightbox

Thanks for looking, Comments appreciated.

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http://godfreydigiorgi.wordpress.com



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Re: Just got an Amazon Deal alert!

2013-07-24 Thread John
You didn't even mention the Pentax K110D 6.1MP Digital SLR kit for 
$829.99 or the Pentax K100D 6.1MP Digital SLR Camera for $829.99



On 7/24/2013 8:44 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I don't know what's more amazing, that they think that anyone would pay
$600. for it or that they still have 5 brand new ones in stock.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0028N7442/ref=pe_62860_31277760_email_1p_3_lm




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Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8
 
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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Alan C
The fates of the god's were with you. Clouds, hills, a bit of snow, rocks, 
grassy slopes, a winding road  some hikers. It's got it all. What an 
amazing scene.


Alan C

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Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 02:54:48PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
 stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.

Simple snapshot my ass.  As I said elsewhere it's an effervescent mug
of does not suck.

 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Darren Addy
This Italy you speak of appears as if it might be a photogenic
travel destination. Also: Your camera takes good pictures.
:)
:)
:)
Wonderful stuff!

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 02:54:48PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
 stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.

 Simple snapshot my ass.  As I said elsewhere it's an effervescent mug
 of does not suck.

 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
 K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8

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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread kwaller

WOW Mark, the hits keep coming !

Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time



Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Mark Roberts
kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com

 Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
 stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
 K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8
 
WOW Mark, the hits keep coming !

I shot over 1500 photos there. I'm only gonna show ya the good ones
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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That is a very fine image!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
 stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
 K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8

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Re: A bit closer to my first cyanotype

2013-07-24 Thread Paul Sorenson

Will be interested to see where you go using some of the old processes.

Some nice stuff on his web site.  Did he say what his Wisconsin 
destination was going to be?


-p

On 7/24/2013 11:31 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

(This is not OT, since the original image was created with my Pentax K-5.)
I mentioned in a previous thread, my interest in Alternative
Processes. That interest was reawakened at our local Art in the Park
a couple of Sunday's ago. There was a Nebraska practitioner of
Alternative Processes there (that I had never heard of before) by the
name of Jason Jilg.
http://www.jasonjilg.com/home

His work was quite lovely and he displayed cyanotypes, salt prints,
bromide prints, and tin types. I got to visit with him briefly and
gathered a few nuggets of information. He is soon moving to Wisconsin,
but apparently he had offered classes through the Sheldon Art Gallery
in Lincoln, NE (which I was also unaware of).

Anyway, this reminded me that I had intended to purchase Jill
Enfield's new title after it was published in June, so I did. I can
highly recommend it and even wrote a review on Amazon for it. In
addition, I checked another book that is considered a classic in that
field entitled, Coming into Focus by John Barnier. This book is
apparently used in many classes and so was in short supply when I last
looked (and textbook expensive). However, this is a good time to
purchase textbooks (before students begin purchasing them again for
August classes) and I found a Very Good copy for less than $20
shipped. While I was at it, I purchased the chemistry for cyanotypes
(Photographers' Formulary 07-0091 Liquid Cyanotype Printing Kit) and
some hake brushes.

I've created the inverted image files for a couple of different
versions of my image God Rays that I hope will make a decent
cyanotype. I have the transparency material (Inkpress Transparency
Film, 8-1/2x11) and I plan on printing 7x10-1/2 on watercolor paper
from the local Hobby Lobby.

Once I have a few transparencies, I'd like to experiment with some of
the other processes beginning with Van Dyke brown.

If there is anyone on the list that has dabbled in Alternative
Processes, I'd love to hear your experiences.



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PESO -- The Team.

2013-07-24 Thread P.J. Alling
I took part in a charity event, recently, the specific details of which 
I wish to forget.  Since I was taking part and not rececording it for 
posterity, or posterior, (the latter seems somehow more appropriate), I 
only took along my old trusty *ist-Ds and the M40mm f2.8.  It was a team 
even with free t-shirts.  Which as you can gather was worth every penny 
I paid for mine.  Well this was half of my team.  Just a grab shot, but 
I haven't posted anything in a few days so enjoy, or not...


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20theteam.html

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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Igor Roshchin

You oversmarted your website.

I get:
http://www.robertstech.com/errordocs/hotlink.jpe
Hotlinking to files at robertstech is not permitted.

(accesesed in FF under Win7 from
http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2013-July/352650.html )


 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg



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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Wonderful. Superb composition and rendering.

Paul
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 Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
 stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
 K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8
 
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reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
A friend just pointed me to http://thewirecutter.com
It seems that they do far more in depth reviews than other places, and
cite other reviews in their reviews.  

Their mid-level DSLR review is on the D7100, 
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-mid-range-dslr-is-the-nikon-d7100/

And, they are thorough enough to compare it with the K-5II
Surprisingly, the biggest and most serious competition to the Nikon D7100 right 
now comes from Pentax, who is often forgotten in these debates. The Pentax K-5 
IIs is almost blow-for-blow on par with the D7100, and in most respects is its 
equal. The choice between the two has been a frequent topic of internet 
discussion. The image quality is on par, it’s more weather sealed, and Pentax 
packs image stabilization into the body rather than the lenses, meaning it 
works no matter what glass you attach to the front.

However, the Nikon has more focusing points, is higher resolution, can hold two 
SD cards at once, the lenses are generally cheaper, and right now as a company, 
Nikon is holding its own far better.

Eventually, the best way to decide between the two if you’re torn is to have a 
look at the lens selection, and see which fits your shooting style better (if 
you’re super outdoorsy, the Pentax weather sealing might appeal to you), and 
try and get both in hand to shoot with for a while. Comfort in hand can be a 
very important deciding factor.

But the Nikon is simply the best APS-C camera on the market right now, thanks 
to its excellent under-the-hood guts, software, and overall image quality. 
Without some sort of compelling reason to go in the other direction, I’d say 
the Nikon still is the top choice.

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RE: PESO -- The Team.

2013-07-24 Thread Gerrit Visser
They look ready for an eating contest or beer drinking :-)

Gerrit

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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 4:35 PM
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Subject: PESO -- The Team.

I took part in a charity event, recently, the specific details of which I
wish to forget.  Since I was taking part and not rececording it for
posterity, or posterior, (the latter seems somehow more appropriate), I only
took along my old trusty *ist-Ds and the M40mm f2.8.  It was a team even
with free t-shirts.  Which as you can gather was worth every penny I paid
for mine.  Well this was half of my team.  Just a grab shot, but I haven't
posted anything in a few days so enjoy, or not...

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Re: PESOs: Micro PDLM meeting in Greenwich

2013-07-24 Thread Chris Mitchell
Of course, I meant PDML. Must have been a semi-concious slip as we
were telling Rick about the last London PDML gathering with Godfrey
where there was no Pentax kit at all and thought that the group might
need a new name...

On 24 July 2013 08:14, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 Bob and I met up with Rick who's over on a fleeting visit. We had a
 pleasant couple of hours in Greenwich where my son Pete also joined
 us. Here's a snap of Rick when I found him by the Cutty Sark:
 http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2569.jpg

 And here he is at the Old Brewery where we had supper:
 http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2589.jpg

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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Darren Addy
The inability to use m42 lenses  (without an adapter that contains an
optical element for infinity focusing) is the main reason I would not
have a Nikon. Love to experiment with those legacy lenses. And in-body
image stabilization is a biggie feature, for me.



On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 A friend just pointed me to http://thewirecutter.com
 It seems that they do far more in depth reviews than other places, and
 cite other reviews in their reviews.

 Their mid-level DSLR review is on the D7100,
 http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-mid-range-dslr-is-the-nikon-d7100/

 And, they are thorough enough to compare it with the K-5II
 Surprisingly, the biggest and most serious competition to the Nikon D7100 
 right now comes from Pentax, who is often forgotten in these debates. The 
 Pentax K-5 IIs is almost blow-for-blow on par with the D7100, and in most 
 respects is its equal. The choice between the two has been a frequent topic 
 of internet discussion. The image quality is on par, it’s more weather 
 sealed, and Pentax packs image stabilization into the body rather than the 
 lenses, meaning it works no matter what glass you attach to the front.

 However, the Nikon has more focusing points, is higher resolution, can hold 
 two SD cards at once, the lenses are generally cheaper, and right now as a 
 company, Nikon is holding its own far better.

 Eventually, the best way to decide between the two if you’re torn is to have 
 a look at the lens selection, and see which fits your shooting style better 
 (if you’re super outdoorsy, the Pentax weather sealing might appeal to you), 
 and try and get both in hand to shoot with for a while. Comfort in hand can 
 be a very important deciding factor.

 But the Nikon is simply the best APS-C camera on the market right now, thanks 
 to its excellent under-the-hood guts, software, and overall image quality. 
 Without some sort of compelling reason to go in the other direction, I’d say 
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 04:42:44PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote:
 The inability to use m42 lenses  (without an adapter that contains an
 optical element for infinity focusing) is the main reason I would not
 have a Nikon. Love to experiment with those legacy lenses. And in-body
 image stabilization is a biggie feature, for me.

If I were buying my first DSLR today, I'd likely get the D7100, if only
because I have a whole drawerful of Nikon glass.  A friend has an old 
D200 that she never uses, and I'm very tempted to offer her a couple 
hundred dollars for it, just so that I have something digital to use
my old Nikon glass on.  

It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.  

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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
 On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.  

Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
handheld shooting?
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Bruce Walker
I use all of the limited number of AF points that Pentax provides. Eg:
the two upper corners of the 9-square land nicely on eyes in
portraits. The outliers are good for faces in full-body shots. Etc.

39 would be both good and bad. With the Pentax cluster, it takes only
a moment to steer over to another point when switching poses or
orientation. With 39? I dunno, could be tedious. OTOH, getting the
framing you want rather than what's forced on you would be nice.


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
 On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.

 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Larry Colen wrote:

A friend just pointed me to http://thewirecutter.com
It seems that they do far more in depth reviews than other places, and
cite other reviews in their reviews.  

Their mid-level DSLR review is on the D7100, 
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-mid-range-dslr-is-the-nikon-d7100/

Interesting review. What's intriguing to me is that one of my biggest
disincentives for getting a Nikon D-7100 would be the 24-megapixel
files. I've seen enough (and these reviewers seem to agree) samples to
be convinced that going over 16 megapixels in APS-C, with or without
anti-aliasing filter, buys you no more real resolution.

I'd be interested in trying out the Nikon AF, though. The K-5 had
problems dealing with atmospheric haze in the alps a couple of weeks
ago. Perhaps the Nikon would have fared no better under these
admittedly difficult conditions nut it would have been nice to find
out. Then again, I was *really* grateful for the K-5's weather sealing
many times during the trip (and made people with other cameras quite
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
 handheld shooting?

I think it would be a big help for birds in flight. On Pentax bodies,
it's easy for the bird to slip in between the sites, or outside the
area they cover. Then the lens starts hunting, and you're toast.

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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
Apparently Nikon is playing with a 75 mp camera ouch

DAVE

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postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Larry Colen wrote:

A friend just pointed me to http://thewirecutter.com
It seems that they do far more in depth reviews than other places, and
cite other reviews in their reviews.

Their mid-level DSLR review is on the D7100,
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-mid-range-dslr-is-the-nikon-d7100/

 Interesting review. What's intriguing to me is that one of my biggest
 disincentives for getting a Nikon D-7100 would be the 24-megapixel
 files. I've seen enough (and these reviewers seem to agree) samples to
 be convinced that going over 16 megapixels in APS-C, with or without
 anti-aliasing filter, buys you no more real resolution.

 I'd be interested in trying out the Nikon AF, though. The K-5 had
 problems dealing with atmospheric haze in the alps a couple of weeks
 ago. Perhaps the Nikon would have fared no better under these
 admittedly difficult conditions nut it would have been nice to find
 out. Then again, I was *really* grateful for the K-5's weather sealing
 many times during the trip (and made people with other cameras quite
 envious, I might add!)

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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
 On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.

 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
 handheld shooting?

I don't

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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Bob W
Once you're into that sort of farting around with af points you are essentially 
focusing manually.

B

On 24 Jul 2013, at 23:55, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use all of the limited number of AF points that Pentax provides. Eg:
 the two upper corners of the 9-square land nicely on eyes in
 portraits. The outliers are good for faces in full-body shots. Etc.
 
 39 would be both good and bad. With the Pentax cluster, it takes only
 a moment to steer over to another point when switching poses or
 orientation. With 39? I dunno, could be tedious. OTOH, getting the
 framing you want rather than what's forced on you would be nice.
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
 On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.
 
 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
 On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.  

Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
handheld shooting?

Perhaps I would only use a dozen of them. But they could well be
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-24 17:04 Bob W wrote

Once you're into that sort of farting around with af points you are essentially 
focusing manually.


yeah, better would be focus peaking overlaid in the optical finder; especially 
if you could hit a button to lock focus on the object where it has peaked, so 
the AF could then follow that object as it moved around the frame; of course 
presently focus peaking is only for mirrorless … i think there is interesting 
stuff to come



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Re: 16-50/2.8 (was Re: saved someone from Nigerian Paypal scam?)

2013-07-24 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-24 7:19 Zos Xavius wrote

I have the 16-45, but the wobbly barrel is killing my corners
randomly.


yeah it's an interesting compromise of a lens; i thought all the corners were 
soft

but my point was that i had carried a zoom for a long time before almost 
completely switching to small primes for that range, so i have wieghed the 
benefits of not having to change lenses; if i kept the 16-50 it would probably 
be the WR that convinces me



 I really wish
pentax had some better wide-normal zooms at a reasonable price.


yeah and make it lighter than the combined weight of my three primes too!



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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Matthew Hunt wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
 handheld shooting?
 
 I think it would be a big help for birds in flight. On Pentax bodies,
 it's easy for the bird to slip in between the sites, or outside the
 area they cover. Then the lens starts hunting, and you're toast.

Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
handheld shooting?

(I did use the camera-selected AF points some during our Alaska cruise
and got limited benefit from that; can't imagine getting any benefit from
trying to select AF points while the bird is moving.)
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Walt

On 7/24/2013 6:15 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
handheld shooting?

I think it would be a big help for birds in flight. On Pentax bodies,
it's easy for the bird to slip in between the sites, or outside the
area they cover. Then the lens starts hunting, and you're toast.

Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
handheld shooting?

(I did use the camera-selected AF points some during our Alaska cruise
and got limited benefit from that; can't imagine getting any benefit from
trying to select AF points while the bird is moving.)
I always do. In fact, I've used manually selected focus points almost 
exclusively since I got my K20D, as I feel it saves me some cropping and 
helps my composition. The ability to quickly change the focus point was 
one of the reasons I preferred using the K20D over my K-x in spite of 
the difference in low light performance.


I've also used it on a few bird shots, albeit with limited success. 
Still, I think it has made a difference for the better in my photos.


Of course, we all have our own ways of shooting, so it's obviously not 
for everybody. But I really do enjoy using that feature in the K20D and K-5.


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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread steve harley

on 2013-07-24 17:15 Aahz Maruch wrote

Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
handheld shooting?


yes, i have done it some, particularly with DA 15mm and FA 28mm lenses; it is a 
bit awkward, and i usually don't even use autofocus, but when i tried it out it 
felt like i could train myself to switch points quickly



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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Jack Davis
Am running internet explorer and I'm getting: 
Hotlinking to files at robertstech.com is not permitted. 
 
Never before seen. ??
 
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Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread P.J. Alling
I do, at least in a limited way, Mostly I use the four corners or the 
center focus point.  On the other hand I have a split image rangefinder 
screen in my K20D so I focus and recompose on with manual lenses anyway.


On 7/24/2013 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.

Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:


 Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
 handheld shooting?

I use the single centre and recompose

Dave

 (I did use the camera-selected AF points some during our Alaska cruise
 and got limited benefit from that; can't imagine getting any benefit from
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:47:17PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
 
  It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
  On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.  
 
 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
 handheld shooting?

The problem that I have is that the area of each autofocus point
is so large that I'll think that I've got it set to autofocus on
the musician, and it autofocuses on the microphone, or something else
in the same region, but which has a much sharper boundary, that is 
easier to autofocus on. 

My experience is that generally autofocus is not only faster, but
more accurate than manual focus. Unfortunately it tends to perfectly 
focus on the wrong thing.  


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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Christine Nielsen



On Jul 24, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
handheld shooting?

Yes, frequently.

It was once explained to me - and this might be of interest to bird-shooters 
out there - that setting the camera to continuous AF and dynamic focus area (or 
whatever its called that allows the camera to choose among focus points), and 
shooting in burst mode... Would allow you to shoot/keep in focus a moving 
subject as it travels through the frame...  But the person who told me this 
shoots Canon, so... Never tried it, myself... anyone care to comment on that 
claim?

It's the AF that tempts me most when my eyes wander to Nikon But, I 
wouldn't switch for a crop sensor camera...

:)
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:47:17PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
 On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.  
 
 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
 handheld shooting?
 
 The problem that I have is that the area of each autofocus point
 is so large that I'll think that I've got it set to autofocus on
 the musician, and it autofocuses on the microphone, or something else
 in the same region, but which has a much sharper boundary, that is 
 easier to autofocus on. 
 
 My experience is that generally autofocus is not only faster, but
 more accurate than manual focus. Unfortunately it tends to perfectly 
 focus on the wrong thing.  

That's why I do what David does: center point AF, shutter half-press,
recompose.  I only ever had problems with that on your K-x.  ;-)

Similarly, letting the camera pick the AF points makes some sense for
bird shots and the like.

I just can't even visualize the mechanics of manually selecting AF point
for handheld shooting, so I figured I'd ask whether anyone does.
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread George Sinos
Generally, for hand held shooting of static or slowly moving subjects
I'll use the center point and recompose.

When the camera is on a tripod, especially if I'm shooting in the
portrait orientation I'll select an individual focus point that's in
the right spot.

When I'm shooting sports or other fast moving subjects I'll use all of
the focus points in one of the dynamic modes.  The Nikon focus system
tracks a moving subject very well in this mode.

I turned off the shutter button focus quite a while ago and only use
the back button.

All of those modes are there for different reasons and styles of
shooting.  It takes a while to learn any particular brand and model's
focusing system works mechanically and works for your style.

In Nikon's case the description in the owner's manual isn't really
very good.  I was much more successful after reading Thom Hogans
guides.  He dissects the various modes in a way that made sense to me.

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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net wrote:



 On Jul 24, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

 Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
 handheld shooting?

 Yes, frequently.

 It was once explained to me - and this might be of interest to bird-shooters 
 out there - that setting the camera to continuous AF and dynamic focus area 
 (or whatever its called that allows the camera to choose among focus points), 
 and shooting in burst mode... Would allow you to shoot/keep in focus a moving 
 subject as it travels through the frame...  But the person who told me this 
 shoots Canon, so... Never tried it, myself... anyone care to comment on that 
 claim?

 It's the AF that tempts me most when my eyes wander to Nikon But, I 
 wouldn't switch for a crop sensor camera...

 :)
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 05:25:40PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 That's why I do what David does: center point AF, shutter half-press,
 recompose.  I only ever had problems with that on your K-x.  ;-)
 
 Similarly, letting the camera pick the AF points makes some sense for
 bird shots and the like.
 
 I just can't even visualize the mechanics of manually selecting AF point
 for handheld shooting, so I figured I'd ask whether anyone does.

If I have my camera set up on a tripod, with a carefully selected 
composition, and I want more accurate focusing than I trust my aged 
eyes for, then it is very handy.  particularly if I can't use something 
like a split prism, because it isn't in the center.

Also, if I am photographing a musician, say a sax player, who is
moving around, in low light, focus and recompose, or manual focus
isn't going to work, then I set my focus point, and let autofocus 
do its magic.  

There is no single technique, for focus, exposure or anything else,
that I always use. I do my best be proficient at many of them, and
to understand when which one is appropriate, or optimal. 


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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 05:25:40PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote:
 
 I just can't even visualize the mechanics of manually selecting AF point
 for handheld shooting, so I figured I'd ask whether anyone does.
 
 If I have my camera set up on a tripod, with a carefully selected 
 composition, and I want more accurate focusing than I trust my aged 
 eyes for, then it is very handy.  particularly if I can't use something 
 like a split prism, because it isn't in the center.

Ayup, I haven't done that much (because I don't use a tripod ;-), but I
can easily imagine it.

 Also, if I am photographing a musician, say a sax player, who is
 moving around, in low light, focus and recompose, or manual focus
 isn't going to work, then I set my focus point, and let autofocus 
 do its magic.  

Are you setting shoot on focus or what?  If the sax player is moving
around, how do you set the focus point?  Are you using tracking focus?
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Bruce Walker
How so? I'm telling the AF what to focus on then letting it do what it
does better than me.

If you let AF focus on what it wants to you might as well hand the
camera to someone else and let them shoot what they want to as well.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 Once you're into that sort of farting around with af points you are 
 essentially focusing manually.

 B

 On 24 Jul 2013, at 23:55, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use all of the limited number of AF points that Pentax provides. Eg:
 the two upper corners of the 9-square land nicely on eyes in
 portraits. The outliers are good for faces in full-body shots. Etc.

 39 would be both good and bad. With the Pentax cluster, it takes only
 a moment to steer over to another point when switching poses or
 orientation. With 39? I dunno, could be tedious. OTOH, getting the
 framing you want rather than what's forced on you would be nice.


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 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image stabilization.
 On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.

 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread George Sinos
I also use the Live View in some situations.  All of the shots from
the church that I have posted over the last few months were focused
through the LCD and live view.  The focusing point can be moved
anywhere in the frame. The camera was on a tripod.  Even though
focusing is slower in live mode, the advantage of placing the focusing
point exactly where it is wanted was appreciated.

gs
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 05:25:40PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:

 That's why I do what David does: center point AF, shutter half-press,
 recompose.  I only ever had problems with that on your K-x.  ;-)

 Similarly, letting the camera pick the AF points makes some sense for
 bird shots and the like.

 I just can't even visualize the mechanics of manually selecting AF point
 for handheld shooting, so I figured I'd ask whether anyone does.

 If I have my camera set up on a tripod, with a carefully selected
 composition, and I want more accurate focusing than I trust my aged
 eyes for, then it is very handy.  particularly if I can't use something
 like a split prism, because it isn't in the center.

 Also, if I am photographing a musician, say a sax player, who is
 moving around, in low light, focus and recompose, or manual focus
 isn't going to work, then I set my focus point, and let autofocus
 do its magic.

 There is no single technique, for focus, exposure or anything else,
 that I always use. I do my best be proficient at many of them, and
 to understand when which one is appropriate, or optimal.


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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Bruce Walker
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:05 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

 Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
 handheld shooting?

 I use the single centre and recompose

That doesn't work with large apertures and short teles or longer. It
becomes auto-defocus then.

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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele

gee too bad you didn't go anywhere beautiful ;-)

simple is good

ann

On 7/24/2013 14:54, Mark Roberts wrote:

Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8




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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-24 Thread Jack Davis
Wonderfully dramatic shot, Mark! Love it!
Ideal rendering.

Jack


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From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com

 Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
 stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
 K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8
 
WOW Mark, the hits keep coming !

I shot over 1500 photos there. I'm only gonna show ya the good ones
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Re: PESO: Return of the Drone

2013-07-24 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks Bob. 300mm actually. If I had had the 35mm on the camera I would have 
gone lower and gotten more of its face, but the minimum focusing distance on 
the 300mm would have forced me into the water to get that perspective and I 
didn't want to get wet right then. Yeah, I know, a truly dedicated photographer 
wouldn't worry about such minor obstacles . . .

On Jul 24, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Wow Stan, that's really close up!
 Were you using the 35mm Macro?
 Nice and crisp.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 An addition to my on-going Long Lake 2013 gallery, this is a shot of one of 
 Ann's favorite critters. Last featured performing hazardous duty as a escort 
 to a loon, today we see the intrepid drone at rest on the dock . . .
 
 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649/h6f441a6f#h6f441a6f
 
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Re: PESO: Return of the Drone

2013-07-24 Thread Stan Halpin
No worries Ann. The loon was hanging around for 30-45 minutes late this 
afternoon, just off the end of the neighbor's dock. I am about to look through 
the 250-300 shots I took . . .

On Jul 24, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 We'll worry if the loon goes missing now
 
 ann
 
 On 7/24/2013 09:15, Stan Halpin wrote:
 An addition to my on-going Long Lake 2013 gallery, this is a shot of one of 
 Ann's favorite critters.
 
 Last featured performing hazardous duty as a escort to a loon, today we see 
 the intrepid drone at rest on the dock . . .
 
 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p769975649/h6f441a6f#h6f441a6f
 
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PESO -- But seriously...

2013-07-24 Thread P.J. Alling
Warning serious dog expression.  I haven't got a lot of recent stuff, 
been another photographic dry spell.  So I went back and looked at some 
of the stuff I shot with the *ist-D.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20butseriously.html

Equipment: *ist-D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

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RE: PESO -- But seriously...

2013-07-24 Thread Gerrit Visser
Lovely expression. A good subject for Bruce's eyelash test.

gerrit

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Warning serious dog expression.  I haven't got a lot of recent stuff, been
another photographic dry spell.  So I went back and looked at some of the
stuff I shot with the *ist-D.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20butseriously.ht
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Did I get spamcopped

2013-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
I just got a undelivered message that my upstream mail
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Re: Did I get spamcopped

2013-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
You are coming through to this list.

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Re: PESO -- But seriously...

2013-07-24 Thread Jack Davis
or.I'm beggin' you, please stop this thing and let me out.
Like the pleading fear in the eyes.

Jack


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Subject: PESO -- But seriously...

Warning serious dog expression.  I haven't got a lot of recent stuff, 
been another photographic dry spell.  So I went back and looked at some 
of the stuff I shot with the *ist-D.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20butseriously.html

Equipment: *ist-D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

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Modern Tin Types

2013-07-24 Thread Doug Franklin
A soldier in Afghanistan has been experimenting with making tin type 
prints of his colleagues:


http://twentytwowords.com/2013/07/24/soldier-in-afghanistan-photographs-comrades-using-civil-war-era-technique-14-pics/

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PESO: Corn Flower

2013-07-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17468739size=lg
Comments invited.

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Re: PESO: Corn Flower

2013-07-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele

cute - you got the latin name down when you showed the other photo -
Echinacea it is, but it is cone flower not  corn flower (the things you 
learn having done stock nature photography)


YOu have a lot of lovely floral close-ups, Dan, - for this isn't one of 
them I think for it to work the foreground ahas to be really sharp -

I like the concept of three colors, though.

ann

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Re: 16-50/2.8 (was Re: saved someone from Nigerian Paypal scam?)

2013-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
The original FA 28-105 f4-5.6 (the power zoom one for the PZ-1)
is a bit heavy, but an unknown sleeper - fine quality lens.
But you'd still need a 15mm prime.
Regards,  Bob S.


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 on 2013-07-24 7:19 Zos Xavius wrote

 I have the 16-45, but the wobbly barrel is killing my corners
 randomly.


 yeah it's an interesting compromise of a lens; i thought all the corners
 were soft

 but my point was that i had carried a zoom for a long time before almost
 completely switching to small primes for that range, so i have wieghed the
 benefits of not having to change lenses; if i kept the 16-50 it would
 probably be the WR that convinces me

  I really wish
 pentax had some better wide-normal zooms at a reasonable price.


 yeah and make it lighter than the combined weight of my three primes too!



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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Amen to that!
I find it difficult to use the multiple autofocus points in any
handheld shooting.
Pentax doesn't focus fast enough to select th 26th point vs the 27th.
When I try letting the camera pick the AF point, it goes all over the scene.
And not necessarily where I want.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Matthew Hunt wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

 Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
 handheld shooting?

 I think it would be a big help for birds in flight. On Pentax bodies,
 it's easy for the bird to slip in between the sites, or outside the
 area they cover. Then the lens starts hunting, and you're toast.

 Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
 handheld shooting?

 (I did use the camera-selected AF points some during our Alaska cruise
 and got limited benefit from that; can't imagine getting any benefit from
 trying to select AF points while the bird is moving.)
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Re: Did I get spamcopped

2013-07-24 Thread Boris Liberman

Possible, but the unlikelyhood is
certainly positive...


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Re: Did I get spamcopped

2013-07-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 08:20:46AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote:
 Possible, but the unlikelyhood is
 certainly positive...

That reply has reach a unique level of definitiveness.

This was from the header of one of my bounces:

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