date:20130725

Thanks for your kind comments, Ann.

You are right;  It is NOT a corn flower.  Another senior moment, or
brain fart as I like to call them,

The common name for Echinacea is CONE flower, not corn flower.  That
is what I meant to type.  (Why don't you see what I meant, rather than
what I actually typed?  G  The name comes from the somewhat conical
shape of its mature flowers.
Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 cute - you got the latin name down when you showed the other photo -
 Echinacea it is, but it is cone flower not  corn flower (the things you
 learn having done stock nature photography)

 YOu have a lot of lovely floral close-ups, Dan, - for this isn't one of
 them I think for it to work the foreground ahas to be really sharp -
 I like the concept of three colors, though.

 ann


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 Comments invited.

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16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
right. vertically it feels tighter.

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 Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 16-45 
 I got from another
 PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great images.  I 
 used it extensively on a
 number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were sharp 
 corner to corner: those
 that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or from the 
 hip...
 There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened up 
 after all.


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 I have the 16-45, but the wobbly barrel is killing my corners randomly. In 
 portrait the upper half
 tends to get soft. I have two copies of this lens. The one I'm using now is 
 very good when it is
 sharp, but inconsistent. I would pay to have one of them tightened, but I'm 
 afraid that it will just
 get loose again rather quickly. I think the build quality is simply awful. 
 Great glass inside though
 unfortunately. I tend to use it stopped down to f9-f11, but at f7.1 and lower 
 the corners get pretty
 sad looking, so only good for closeups or when DOF is in play. Its pushing me 
 to bite the bullet and
 start saving for a 16-50, though I don't know if I will really get any better 
 IQ from that at the
 16mm mark to be honest. I really wish pentax had some better wide-normal 
 zooms at a reasonable
 price. The
 17-70 doesn't do it for me.

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 on 2013-07-23 13:44 Aahz Maruch wrote

 Steve, the other advantage of the 16-50, of course, is that you're
 not having to switch lenses.


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PESO - Ballerinas

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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
Treasure it. :-)

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 I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
 tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
 samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
 dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
 right. vertically it feels tighter.

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
  Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 
  16-45 I got from another
  PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great images.  I 
  used it extensively on a
  number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were sharp 
  corner to corner: those
  that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or from the 
  hip...
  There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened up 
  after all.
 
 
  John Coyle
  Brisbane, Australia


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Re: PESO - Ballerinas

I really like this take on these flowers, Paul. A pleasing
composition, and your title was unexpected but fitting.

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Re: Did I get spamcopped

2013-07-25 Thread John Sessoms

That looks like the same crap we were getting when TWC RoadRunner was 
blacklisted.


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On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 08:20:46AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote:

Possible, but the unlikelyhood is
certainly positive...


That reply has reach a unique level of definitiveness.

This was from the header of one of my bounces:

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Re: Modern Tin Types

That's very interesting, Doug. Much more so than I expected, actually.
I generally have no interest in wet photography, but the resemblance
to 1800's images is remarkable and kind of poignant.

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 A soldier in Afghanistan has been experimenting with making tin type prints
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Re: PESO -- But seriously...

Yeah, the look when they've spotted a squirrel or another dog but
can't get out. Love it!

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 Warning serious dog expression.  I haven't got a lot of recent stuff, been
 another photographic dry spell.  So I went back and looked at some of the
 stuff I shot with the *ist-D.

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20butseriously.html

 Equipment: *ist-D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

LOL! It might not be that much, but it is noticable...

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
 Treasure it. :-)

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
 tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
 samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
 dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
 right. vertically it feels tighter.

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
  Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 
  16-45 I got from another
  PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great images.  
  I used it extensively on a
  number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were sharp 
  corner to corner: those
  that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or from 
  the hip...
  There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened up 
  after all.
 
 
  John Coyle
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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

Just a simple snapshot. Pffft. This is to a simple snapshot what
Citizen Kane is to America's Funniest Home Videos.

Anyway, not too shabby, Mark.

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 Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
 stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
 K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8

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Re: Modern Tin Types

Along similar lines, this photographer has made use of recyling metal
film cartridges for his tin types:
http://www.davidemittadams.com/portfolio/36-exposures/
He also likes to reuse old cans:
http://www.davidemittadams.com/portfolio/traces/

There is a modern tintype process that is more suited to beginners
than the classic process
http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/processes/liquid-emulsion/the-modern-tintype-process

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's very interesting, Doug. Much more so than I expected, actually.
 I generally have no interest in wet photography, but the resemblance
 to 1800's images is remarkable and kind of poignant.

 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote:
 A soldier in Afghanistan has been experimenting with making tin type prints
 of his colleagues:

 http://twentytwowords.com/2013/07/24/soldier-in-afghanistan-photographs-comrades-using-civil-war-era-technique-14-pics/

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RE: PESO - Ballerinas

2013-07-25 Thread Gerrit Visser

A lovely scene.

Gerrit

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Re: PESO - Ballerinas

Hey, you stole my echinaceas!  G

Lovely image.

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Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

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Re: Modern Tin Types


Heck, at least it's not a home Daguerreotype kit.


On 7/25/2013 10:26 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Along similar lines, this photographer has made use of recyling metal
film cartridges for his tin types:
http://www.davidemittadams.com/portfolio/36-exposures/
He also likes to reuse old cans:
http://www.davidemittadams.com/portfolio/traces/

There is a modern tintype process that is more suited to beginners
than the classic process
http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/processes/liquid-emulsion/the-modern-tintype-process

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

That's very interesting, Doug. Much more so than I expected, actually.
I generally have no interest in wet photography, but the resemblance
to 1800's images is remarkable and kind of poignant.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote:

A soldier in Afghanistan has been experimenting with making tin type prints
of his colleagues:

http://twentytwowords.com/2013/07/24/soldier-in-afghanistan-photographs-comrades-using-civil-war-era-technique-14-pics/

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Re: PESO - Ballerinas

2013-07-25 Thread Jack Davis

Very nice array, Paul. Certainly well composed.

Jack


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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Had to Google those two acronyms:
Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
Agree With Are Bullstuff).

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
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 http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Interesting article, thanks for the link.

It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm
f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements
in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the
first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by
Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have
noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many
people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact)
*completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was
an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated
Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10
http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html)

Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums
for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you
don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Had to Google those two acronyms:
 Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
 Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
 Agree With Are Bullstuff).

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
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 http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Thanks for the pointer, Aahz.

If I read net comments much I really fear for humanity's future. Read
them too much and I start to root for humanity's demise.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
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 http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Yes, but /we/ know.

On 7/25/2013 11:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Interesting article, thanks for the link.

It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm
f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements
in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the
first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by
Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have
noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many
people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact)
*completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was
an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated
Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10
http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html)

Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums
for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you
don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html

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Had to Google those two acronyms:
Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
Agree With Are Bullstuff).

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

(Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens
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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

2013-07-25 Thread Charles Robinson

On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:16 , Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the pointer, Aahz.
 
 If I read net comments much I really fear for humanity's future. Read
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-25 Thread John Francis



Beg to differ.

I frequently use a selected AF point with my DSLRs,
but hardly ever use manual focus. Even when I'm using
an old A-series lens I rely on the camera AF system
to give me focus confirmation - it's just more accurate
than my eyesight.

I consider AF point selection much as I do the choice
of exposure mode (Tv, Av, P, ...); it's a way for me
to make the camera's automation do (mostly) what I want
it to do, not what some programmer decided. But if the
camera provides a way to do something, I'll let it do so
much of the time.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:04:12AM +0100, Bob W wrote:
 Once you're into that sort of farting around with af points you are 
 essentially focusing manually.
 
 B
 
 On 24 Jul 2013, at 23:55, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I use all of the limited number of AF points that Pentax provides. Eg:
  the two upper corners of the 9-square land nicely on eyes in
  portraits. The outliers are good for faces in full-body shots. Etc.
  
  39 would be both good and bad. With the Pentax cluster, it takes only
  a moment to steer over to another point when switching poses or
  orientation. With 39? I dunno, could be tedious. OTOH, getting the
  framing you want rather than what's forced on you would be nice.
  
  
  On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
  
  It would, however, be very tough to give up my in-body image 
  stabilization.
  On the other hand, those 39 autofocus points seem very attractive.
  
  Does anyone actually use those multiple autofocus points for live
  handheld shooting?
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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

2013-07-25 Thread Walt

I loved this part:

Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that
prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were
announced . . .

Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with,
you can't do that, it's state law!

-- Walt

On 7/25/2013 10:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Interesting article, thanks for the link.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Had to Google those two acronyms:
Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
Agree With Are Bullstuff).

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

While attending College in Rhode Island, I used to approach people who
were wearing a t-shirt with an out of state attraction, and say matter
of factly You do know that under General Law paragraph X, wearing
apparel that advertised an out of state attraction, or scenic wonder,
was punishable by a fine of XX dollars, with a possible x number of days
in jail. Amazingly a good number of out of state residents believed
that I spoke the truth, almost all of the state residents did.

On 7/25/2013 12:34 PM, Walt wrote:

I loved this part:

Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that
prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were
announced . . .

Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with,
you can't do that, it's state law!

-- Walt

On 7/25/2013 10:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Interesting article, thanks for the link.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
wrote:

Had to Google those two acronyms:
Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
Agree With Are Bullstuff).

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

(Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens
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Re: reviews on the wirecutter.com

2013-07-25 Thread John Francis

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 04:15:23PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote:
 
 Let me rephrase: does anyone actually use manually-selected AF points for
 handheld shooting?

Yep.  Close to 100% of my motorsports shots (probably the topic
for which most of the PDML folks know me) are shot with a single
AF point chosen by me (probably one of the bottom corner points).

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Re: 16-50/2.8 (was Re: saved someone from Nigerian Paypal scam?)

2013-07-25 Thread John Francis


I agree on the quality.  It's not that light a lens, though.
And many folks believe that the third iteration of the 28-105
(the one with the f/3.2 max aperture, IIRC) is slightly better.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:00:24AM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
 The original FA 28-105 f4-5.6 (the power zoom one for the PZ-1)
 is a bit heavy, but an unknown sleeper - fine quality lens.
 But you'd still need a 15mm prime.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 
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  on 2013-07-24 7:19 Zos Xavius wrote
 
  I have the 16-45, but the wobbly barrel is killing my corners
  randomly.
 
 
  yeah it's an interesting compromise of a lens; i thought all the corners
  were soft
 
  but my point was that i had carried a zoom for a long time before almost
  completely switching to small primes for that range, so i have wieghed the
  benefits of not having to change lenses; if i kept the 16-50 it would
  probably be the WR that convinces me
 
   I really wish
  pentax had some better wide-normal zooms at a reasonable price.
 
 
  yeah and make it lighter than the combined weight of my three primes too!
 
 
 
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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Walt wrote:

I loved this part:

Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that 
prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were 
announced . . .

Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with, 
you can't do that, it's state law!

Might be the same kid. Some people never learn. 
 
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Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)


This one is a 360° panoramic made from 8 shots using the DA 12-24 at
12mm. It was tricky to pull off because of all the people in it. I had
to wait until everyone was positioned 'just so' and then bang out the
exposures fairly quickly while making sure that I got plenty of
overlap but didn't get any *people* in the overlapping areas. I
succeeded for the most part. Well, enough that the final image came
together without much difficulty. I'm pretty pleased with how the
composition worked out with the clouds, mountains and the positions of
the people, but that's pretty much down to blind luck with this kind
of shot.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite360.jpg
550k in size and 2500 pixels wide  it may not fit on your monitor
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Re: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

great shot, especially for a 360 degree panorama.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 This one is a 360° panoramic made from 8 shots using the DA 12-24 at
 12mm. It was tricky to pull off because of all the people in it. I had
 to wait until everyone was positioned 'just so' and then bang out the
 exposures fairly quickly while making sure that I got plenty of
 overlap but didn't get any *people* in the overlapping areas. I
 succeeded for the most part. Well, enough that the final image came
 together without much difficulty. I'm pretty pleased with how the
 composition worked out with the clouds, mountains and the positions of
 the people, but that's pretty much down to blind luck with this kind
 of shot.

 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite360.jpg
 550k in size and 2500 pixels wide – it may not fit on your monitor
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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

2013-07-25 Thread Walt

You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a
clipboard.

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On 7/25/2013 11:51 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
While attending College in Rhode Island, I used to approach people who
were wearing a t-shirt with an out of state attraction, and say matter
of factly You do know that under General Law paragraph X,
wearing apparel that advertised an out of state attraction, or scenic
wonder, was punishable by a fine of XX dollars, with a possible x
number of days in jail. Amazingly a good number of out of state
residents believed that I spoke the truth, almost all of the state
residents did.

On 7/25/2013 12:34 PM, Walt wrote:

I loved this part:

Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that
prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were
announced . . .

Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with,
you can't do that, it's state law!

-- Walt

On 7/25/2013 10:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Interesting article, thanks for the link.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy
pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Had to Google those two acronyms:
Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
Agree With Are Bullstuff).

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

(Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens
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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

2013-07-25 Thread Walt


On 7/25/2013 12:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Walt wrote:


I loved this part:

Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that
prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were
announced . . .

Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with,
you can't do that, it's state law!

Might be the same kid. Some people never learn.
  

True. Most of them just refine the edges of their bullshit over the years.

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Walt wrote:

On 7/25/2013 11:51 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
 While attending College in Rhode Island, I used to approach people who 
 were wearing a t-shirt with an out of state attraction, and say matter 
 of factly You do know that under General Law  paragraph X, 
 wearing apparel that advertised an out of state attraction, or scenic 
 wonder, was punishable by a fine of XX dollars, with a possible x 
 number of days in jail.  Amazingly a good number of out of state 
 residents believed that I spoke the truth, almost all of the state 
 residents did.

You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a 
clipboard.

More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street
faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks
out of my way to avoid 'em.
 
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Re: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

Excellent. A powerful composition and, once again, beautifully rendered.

Paul
On Jul 25, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 
 This one is a 360° panoramic made from 8 shots using the DA 12-24 at
 12mm. It was tricky to pull off because of all the people in it. I had
 to wait until everyone was positioned 'just so' and then bang out the
 exposures fairly quickly while making sure that I got plenty of
 overlap but didn't get any *people* in the overlapping areas. I
 succeeded for the most part. Well, enough that the final image came
 together without much difficulty. I'm pretty pleased with how the
 composition worked out with the clouds, mountains and the positions of
 the people, but that's pretty much down to blind luck with this kind
 of shot.
 
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite360.jpg
 550k in size and 2500 pixels wide – it may not fit on your monitor
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Semi-OT: never trust firmware upgrades...

...until they've been out a week or three or five:

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/fujifilm-x-pro1-firmware.html
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Re: PESO - Ballerinas

Certainly a great, colorful, summertime rendition. 


Kenneth Waller
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Re: Modern Tin Types


How creative  original!

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Subject: Re: Modern Tin Types



Along similar lines, this photographer has made use of recyling metal
film cartridges for his tin types:
http://www.davidemittadams.com/portfolio/36-exposures/
He also likes to reuse old cans:
http://www.davidemittadams.com/portfolio/traces/

There is a modern tintype process that is more suited to beginners
than the classic process
http://www.alternativephotography.com/wp/processes/liquid-emulsion/the-modern-tintype-process

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wrote:

That's very interesting, Doug. Much more so than I expected, actually.
I generally have no interest in wet photography, but the resemblance
to 1800's images is remarkable and kind of poignant.

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A soldier in Afghanistan has been experimenting with making tin type 
prints

of his colleagues:

http://twentytwowords.com/2013/07/24/soldier-in-afghanistan-photographs-comrades-using-civil-war-era-technique-14-pics/

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Re: Did I get spamcopped

2013-07-25 Thread steve harley


on 2013-07-24 23:37 Larry Colen wrote

pdml@pdml.net: host pdml.net[216.107.146.145] said: 550-JunkMail rejected -
 mx1.mx3.got.net (mx.got.net) [207.111.237.40]:42937 is 550 in an RBL, see
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i assume you followed the references and saw this:

System has sent mail to SpamCop spam traps in the past week 

looks like another client of got.net either got hijacked or is a spammer; 
got.net will have to deal with it, and since it appears to be a small ISP, it 
won't be fun for them


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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

2013-07-25 Thread Bob W

On 25 Jul 2013, at 18:34, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a 
 clipboard.
 
 More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street
 faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks
 out of my way to avoid 'em.
 


 They once commissioned a study to find out exactly how many blocks people 
 were prepared to walk to avoid someone carrying a clipboard. Unfortunately 
 they couldn't find any respondents.

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Bob W wrote:

On 25 Jul 2013, at 18:34, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a 
 clipboard.
 
 More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street
 faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks
 out of my way to avoid 'em.

 They once commissioned a study to find out exactly how many blocks people 
 were prepared to walk to avoid someone carrying a clipboard. Unfortunately 
 they couldn't find any respondents.

Tranquilizer darts. It's the only humane way.
 
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Re: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

Mark, you just gotta stop taking these snapshots  -  you're killing me!

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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com

Subject: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

This one is a 360° panoramic made from 8 shots using the DA 12-24 at
12mm. It was tricky to pull off because of all the people in it. I had
to wait until everyone was positioned 'just so' and then bang out the
exposures fairly quickly while making sure that I got plenty of
overlap but didn't get any *people* in the overlapping areas. I
succeeded for the most part. Well, enough that the final image came
together without much difficulty. I'm pretty pleased with how the
composition worked out with the clouds, mountains and the positions of
the people, but that's pretty much down to blind luck with this kind
of shot.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite360.jpg
550k in size and 2500 pixels wide - it may not fit on your monitor
without scrolling ;-)

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades


Nothing new with silent upgrades.
They've been happening for years in the auto industry.
Many reasons - cost reductions, product improvements, vendor changes, 
warranty reductions, process improvements, product competition


Nothing to see here, move on

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com

Subject: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades



Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

(Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens
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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

Video game consoles...hell anything electronic has revisions over
production runs.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM,  kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Nothing new with silent upgrades.
 They've been happening for years in the auto industry.
 Many reasons - cost reductions, product improvements, vendor changes,
 warranty reductions, process improvements, product competition

 Nothing to see here, move on

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com
 Subject: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades


 Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
 makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

 http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

 (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens
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Re: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

2013-07-25 Thread Jack Davis

Was even able to match up the circle ends. Good looking 360 pano.

Jack

From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:07 AM
Subject: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

This one is a 360° panoramic made from 8 shots using the DA 12-24 at
12mm. It was tricky to pull off because of all the people in it. I had
to wait until everyone was positioned 'just so' and then bang out the
exposures fairly quickly while making sure that I got plenty of
overlap but didn't get any *people* in the overlapping areas. I
succeeded for the most part. Well, enough that the final image came
together without much difficulty. I'm pretty pleased with how the
composition worked out with the clouds, mountains and the positions of
the people, but that's pretty much down to blind luck with this kind
of shot.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite360.jpg
550k in size and 2500 pixels wide it may not fit on your monitor
without scrolling ;-)

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Re: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

2013-07-25 Thread Alan C

Amazing. One can see part of the previous shot in the distance, centre left.

Alan C

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From: Mark Roberts

Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 7:07 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

This one is a 360° panoramic made from 8 shots using the DA 12-24 at
12mm. It was tricky to pull off because of all the people in it. I had
to wait until everyone was positioned 'just so' and then bang out the
exposures fairly quickly while making sure that I got plenty of
overlap but didn't get any *people* in the overlapping areas. I
succeeded for the most part. Well, enough that the final image came
together without much difficulty. I'm pretty pleased with how the
composition worked out with the clouds, mountains and the positions of
the people, but that's pretty much down to blind luck with this kind
of shot.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite360.jpg
550k in size and 2500 pixels wide – it may not fit on your monitor
without scrolling ;-)

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PESO : 'Lunch on the Web'

Interrupted this guy during his lunch the other day. Looking close you can 
see the remains of an ant he's knoshing on.


K20D 200mm f4.0 ED A* 400 ISO

Your comments appreciated.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17474202

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades


On 7/25/2013 3:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob W wrote:


On 25 Jul 2013, at 18:34, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:


You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a
clipboard.

More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street
faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks
out of my way to avoid 'em.

They once commissioned a study to find out exactly how many blocks people
were prepared to walk to avoid someone carrying a clipboard. Unfortunately
they couldn't find any respondents.

Tranquilizer darts. It's the only humane way.
  

That makes it hard to tell the survey takers from the Collectors...

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Re: PESO : 'Lunch on the Web'


That's probably a she.

On 7/25/2013 3:35 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
Interrupted this guy during his lunch the other day. Looking close you 
can see the remains of an ant he's knoshing on.


K20D 200mm f4.0 ED A* 400 ISO

Your comments appreciated.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17474202

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Re: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

Alan C wrote:

Amazing. One can see part of the previous shot in the distance, centre left.

Hey, I hadn't even noticed that! Good catch.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite360.jpg

Previous shot:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
 
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Re: PESO : 'Lunch on the Web'

Yes, Indeed!  Nicely done.

Dan Matyola
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 Interrupted this guy during his lunch the other day. Looking close you can
 see the remains of an ant he's knoshing on.

 K20D 200mm f4.0 ED A* 400 ISO

 Your comments appreciated.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17474202

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OT - Heads up - eneloop XX on sale

2013-07-25 Thread Igor Roshchin



I remember that several people on the list have been considering
the new type, Eneloop XX precharged batteries that are higher
capacity/low discharge.
At the moment, the 8-pack is $30, which as far as I undertand is a
good deal.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008LTJJJA

I bought a 4-pack about half an year ago, and since that didn't have a
chance to have a shooting when I would exhaust them, as I didn't have
too many shots with the flash, as I used to have in the previous years.
I have no problems with them so far.

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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

No use in even posting samples. I think my good copy is now bad. When
I push the barrel up the upper half gets sharp again, so clearly the
wobble is hurting sharpness. I think the build quality on this lens
simply awful. I've tried very hard to baby this lens, but it should be
able to withstand a knock or two. I guess I send in my bad copy and
have CRIS tighten that and realign it. I hate spending anymore money
on this stupid lens, but the range is nice and the rendering and
sharpness are both superb when your copy is optically good. I dunno. I
mean I can spend $180 or so at CRIS and have the same issue 6 months-1
year down the road. I need something between the 16-40 range and this
lens was a seemingly perfect fit. The 17-70 isn't great at the wide
end IMO and the 1mm makes a big difference. The 16-50/2.8 is just too
much money and I don't need the speed enough to justify spending
$1000. Not when I could buy a couple of limiteds for thatIf this
lens is this fragile, its gotta be the flimsiest zoom I have ever used
and that's saying something. Even my el cheapo 28-80 is better built.
I really don't know what to do. The 2nd copy was a LN- grade from KEH.
It seemed ok optically at first, but seems worse now than before. I
liked the lens enough that I needed another copy to replace the first
while I decided what to do with it and didn't want it missing. My
18-55 mk1 just doesn't cut it really and isn't very usable at open
apertures.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 LOL! It might not be that much, but it is noticable...

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
 Treasure it. :-)

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
 tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
 samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
 dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
 right. vertically it feels tighter.

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
  Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 
  16-45 I got from another
  PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great images.  
  I used it extensively on a
  number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were sharp 
  corner to corner: those
  that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or from 
  the hip...
  There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened up 
  after all.
 
 
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What if Pentax did a Kickstarter?

Here is an ingenious Kickstarter that has already raised 3x the number
of $$$ they had as their goal and there is still most of the month
left.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lomography/the-lomography-petzval-portrait-lens
Delivery of the first lenses is supposed to be Feb. 2014

It is by an established company (Zenit) and it made me wonder why an
established company like Pentax couldn't do something similar. Take a
lens that everybody wants and Kickstart it. The backers get their lens
before the general public (and often for less than the eventual
selling price) in exchange for their support (and their prepaid WAIT).
The company can judge the level of excitement for a product by the
amount of buzz and support dollars it generates. Delivery is in the
future.

It would be possible to fund even relatively small Pentax projects
this way, with the manufacturing process even being different than the
mass-produced way, but if successful a particular lens could be moved
into the mass-production methodology.

Thoughts?

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Re: Semi-OT: never trust firmware upgrades...

Agreed. My philosophy has been to let others be the beta testers.
They call it bleeding edge for a reason, and I'd prefer to keep my
blood loss to a minimum.

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 ...until they've been out a week or three or five:

 http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/fujifilm-x-pro1-firmware.html
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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

2013-07-25 Thread Bob Sullivan

The only Pentax 135mm that is better than the K135/2.5 is the A135/1.8.
(Screwmount, original K mount, newer K, M, A, F or FA)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting article, thanks for the link.

 It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm
 f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements
 in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the
 first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by
 Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have
 noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many
 people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact)
 *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was
 an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated
 Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html)

 Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums
 for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you
 don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other.
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Had to Google those two acronyms:
 Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
 Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
 Agree With Are Bullstuff).

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
 makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

 http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

 (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens
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Re: Semi-OT: never trust firmware upgrades...

2013-07-25 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com:


...until they've been out a week or three or five:

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/fujifilm-x-pro1-firmware.html



A similar thing happened with the Pentax Q 1.11 firmware update  
although, in that case, the subsequent 1.12 update fixed the problem  
with no need to contact a service centre.


Needless to say I'm yet to install the new 1.13 update.  I haven't  
heard of any issues but I'll wait a bit longer.



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OT: anyone familiar with UK copyright (for publishing in the U.S.)?

I have an interesting situation that I just bumped across. I've found
a long out-of-print title (published in 1980) by a now deceased author
(died 2009) who, in a 1997 USENET post, gave permission to reproduce
(photo/ copy) his book if anyone found a copy. He also stated that
he owned the copyright (therefore could give such permission). I have
reason to believe that the title might be reasonably popular today, if
again available.

I guess my question is: Would his copyright have passed to his heirs?
(Or what happens to one's copyright at death in the UK system)? Does
his giving permission to reproduce mean that I could now republish it
in the U.S. without treading on anyone's rights? Or if someone
maintains rights, how might I go about finding out who and procuring
them?

Thanks for any insights.

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Re: PESOs: Micro PDLM meeting in Greenwich

2013-07-25 Thread Rick Womer

Making the generous assumption that I =have= a best side...

It was great to get together with Bob and Chris.  Back in Philly after just 
short of 48 hours over there. Tired.

Images will come, but it may take a while...

Rick




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Subject: Re: PESOs: Micro PDLM meeting in Greenwich

I wouldn't know for sure, but I would guess it does show his best side.

On 7/24/2013 9:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Very nice portrait of Rick.

 Dan Matyola
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 On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Chris Mitchell
 chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 Bob and I met up with Rick who's over on a fleeting visit. We had a
 pleasant couple of hours in Greenwich where my son Pete also joined
 us. Here's a snap of Rick when I found him by the Cutty Sark:
 http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2569.jpg

 And here he is at the Old Brewery where we had supper:
 http://www.zen50061.zen.co.uk/PDML/DSCF2589.jpg

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

But the Version 2 of the last Takumar would have been its equal.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 The only Pentax 135mm that is better than the K135/2.5 is the A135/1.8.
 (Screwmount, original K mount, newer K, M, A, F or FA)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting article, thanks for the link.

 It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm
 f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements
 in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the
 first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by
 Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have
 noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many
 people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact)
 *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was
 an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated
 Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html)

 Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums
 for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you
 don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other.
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Had to Google those two acronyms:
 Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
 Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
 Agree With Are Bullstuff).

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
 makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

 http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

 (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens
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PESO - faux flowers

2013-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele

walked along a street yesterday where there are a lot of wholesale 
flower and plant places - including those made of fabric and plastic.



http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Learning-the-K-5/30564911_mcsJ8s/1/2657159736_4qbGp8v/Large

Camera  PENTAX K-5
Exposure Time   0.004s (1/250)
Aperturef/6.3
ISO 400
Focal Length55mm (82mm in 35mm)

I love my K-5 ...

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

2013-07-25 Thread Bob Sullivan

I don't know about that.
The last version of the Takumar Screwmounts were carried on in the 1st
versions of the K Mounts.
The first K135/3.5 (52mm filter) is different from the later K135/2.5
(58mm filter).
I've never seen a screwmount 135/2.5 Takumar design.
There are some sad 135/2.8 bayonet mount 'Takumars', but without SMC
coated glass.
Regards, Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
But the Version 2 of the last Takumar would have been its equal.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
The only Pentax 135mm that is better than the K135/2.5 is the A135/1.8.
(Screwmount, original K mount, newer K, M, A, F or FA)
Regards, Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting article, thanks for the link.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Had to Google those two acronyms:
Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
Agree With Are Bullstuff).

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

(Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens
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Re: OT: anyone familiar with UK copyright (for publishing in the U.S.)?

Just a short follow-up. It appears that what I am asking about is
called orphan works and UK law recently changed regarding them:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2013/05/orphan-works

We are 33 years out from the original publishing date (no other
editions were printed and it was never even published in paperback). I
know who the original publishing house was, but there would be no
reason to give them a heads-up on what I'd like to do... they can't
possibly have publishing rights that extend this far out (can they?)

Interesting.

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 I have an interesting situation that I just bumped across. I've found
 a long out-of-print title (published in 1980) by a now deceased author
 (died 2009) who, in a 1997 USENET post, gave permission to reproduce
 (photo/ copy) his book if anyone found a copy. He also stated that
 he owned the copyright (therefore could give such permission). I have
 reason to believe that the title might be reasonably popular today, if
 again available.

 I guess my question is: Would his copyright have passed to his heirs?
 (Or what happens to one's copyright at death in the UK system)? Does
 his giving permission to reproduce mean that I could now republish it
 in the U.S. without treading on anyone's rights? Or if someone
 maintains rights, how might I go about finding out who and procuring
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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

2013-07-25 Thread John Sessoms


On 7/25/2013 1:18 PM, Walt wrote:

On 7/25/2013 12:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Walt wrote:


I loved this part:

Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that
prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were
announced . . .

Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with,
you can't do that, it's state law!

Might be the same kid. Some people never learn.

True. Most of them just refine the edges of their bullshit over the years.

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Re: OT - Heads up - eneloop XX on sale

2013-07-25 Thread Larry Colen

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:06:25PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 
 I remember that several people on the list have been considering
 the new type, Eneloop XX precharged batteries that are higher
 capacity/low discharge.
 At the moment, the 8-pack is $30, which as far as I undertand is a
 good deal.
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008LTJJJA

That link took me to a $36 price.

Here is 8 for $30
http://www.amazon.com/Capacity-Pre-Charged-Rechargeable-Batteries-Position/dp/B009LU9150/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1374793216sr=1-2keywords=eneloop+xx

and 4 for $13
http://www.amazon.com/Eneloop-batteries-2500-mAh-NiMH/dp/B004DW7S06/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1374793216sr=1-6keywords=eneloop+xx

 
 I bought a 4-pack about half an year ago, and since that didn't have a
 chance to have a shooting when I would exhaust them, as I didn't have
 too many shots with the flash, as I used to have in the previous years.
 I have no problems with them so far.
 
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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

FYI, given your requirement for good wide performance, don't pine too
badly for the 16-50, I noticed a fair amount of vignetting at 16/2.8

Honestly, given how much you care about the difference between 16 and 17,
I think you might prefer something like the Tamron 10-24 or one of the
Sigma 10-20.  Then either suck it up on swapping lenses or get a cheap
used body for the second lens.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote:

 No use in even posting samples. I think my good copy is now bad. When
 I push the barrel up the upper half gets sharp again, so clearly the
 wobble is hurting sharpness. I think the build quality on this lens
 simply awful. I've tried very hard to baby this lens, but it should be
 able to withstand a knock or two. I guess I send in my bad copy and
 have CRIS tighten that and realign it. I hate spending anymore money
 on this stupid lens, but the range is nice and the rendering and
 sharpness are both superb when your copy is optically good. I dunno. I
 mean I can spend $180 or so at CRIS and have the same issue 6 months-1
 year down the road. I need something between the 16-40 range and this
 lens was a seemingly perfect fit. The 17-70 isn't great at the wide
 end IMO and the 1mm makes a big difference. The 16-50/2.8 is just too
 much money and I don't need the speed enough to justify spending
 $1000. Not when I could buy a couple of limiteds for thatIf this
 lens is this fragile, its gotta be the flimsiest zoom I have ever used
 and that's saying something. Even my el cheapo 28-80 is better built.
 I really don't know what to do. The 2nd copy was a LN- grade from KEH.
 It seemed ok optically at first, but seems worse now than before. I
 liked the lens enough that I needed another copy to replace the first
 while I decided what to do with it and didn't want it missing. My
 18-55 mk1 just doesn't cut it really and isn't very usable at open
 apertures.
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
  LOL! It might not be that much, but it is noticable...
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
  Treasure it. :-)
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
  tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
  samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
  dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
  right. vertically it feels tighter.
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
   Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 
   16-45 I got from another
   PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great 
   images.  I used it extensively on a
   number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were 
   sharp corner to corner: those
   that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or from 
   the hip...
   There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened 
   up after all.
  
  
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Re: What if Pentax did a Kickstarter?

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Darren Addy wrote:

 Here is an ingenious Kickstarter that has already raised 3x the number
 of $$$ they had as their goal and there is still most of the month
 left.
 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lomography/the-lomography-petzval-portrait-lens
 Delivery of the first lenses is supposed to be Feb. 2014

For something like this, Indiegogo might be better.  For example, here's
the current project for the Ubuntu phone:

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge

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Re: What if Pentax did a Kickstarter?

2013-07-25 Thread David Parsons

I can't imagine that crowdsourcing is capable of raising enough money
to shut down a production line, retool, and make new product.

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 Here is an ingenious Kickstarter that has already raised 3x the number
 of $$$ they had as their goal and there is still most of the month
 left.
 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lomography/the-lomography-petzval-portrait-lens
 Delivery of the first lenses is supposed to be Feb. 2014

 It is by an established company (Zenit) and it made me wonder why an
 established company like Pentax couldn't do something similar. Take a
 lens that everybody wants and Kickstart it. The backers get their lens
 before the general public (and often for less than the eventual
 selling price) in exchange for their support (and their prepaid WAIT).
 The company can judge the level of excitement for a product by the
 amount of buzz and support dollars it generates. Delivery is in the
 future.

 It would be possible to fund even relatively small Pentax projects
 this way, with the manufacturing process even being different than the
 mass-produced way, but if successful a particular lens could be moved
 into the mass-production methodology.

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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-25 Thread Stan Halpin


On Jul 24, 2013, at 4:15 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 
 From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com
 
 Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
 stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
 K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8
 
 WOW Mark, the hits keep coming !
 
 I shot over 1500 photos there. I'm only gonna show ya the good ones
 ;-)
 

So, we'll see 4 or 5? 400 or 500? Doesn't matter, I am prepared to enjoy the 
unfolding masterworks.

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Re: OT - Heads up - eneloop XX on sale

2013-07-25 Thread Igor Roshchin



Thu Jul 25 19:03:18 EDT 2013
Larry Colen wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:06:25PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
  
  
  I remember that several people on the list have been considering
  the new type, Eneloop XX precharged batteries that are higher
  capacity/low discharge.
  At the moment, the 8-pack is $30, which as far as I undertand is a
  good deal.
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008LTJJJA
 
 That link took me to a $36 price.
 
 Here is 8 for $30
 http://www.amazon.com/Capacity-Pre-Charged-Rechargeable-Batteries-Position/dp/B009LU9150/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1374793216sr=1-2keywords=eneloop+xx
 
 and 4 for $13
 http://www.amazon.com/Eneloop-batteries-2500-mAh-NiMH/dp/B004DW7S06/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1374793216sr=1-6keywords=eneloop+xx
 

You $30 link is pointing to the 4pack with the charger.
I suspect the price has changed and is no longer $30.

And your $13 link shows $17 price for me, the same way as I say it
earlier today.

Igor


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Re: Third shot from Italy (will they never end?)

2013-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele


It fit in facebook... :-)

I like your straight shot of this area better because were I there I 
couldn't see 360 without turning... just don't enjoy 360's or fish-eye 
shots.


BUT it is interesting(or not) that I wouldn't have thought it was 360 if 
you hadn't told us - just a pano shot...


look forward to more stuff

ann

On 7/25/2013 13:07, Mark Roberts wrote:


This one is a 360° panoramic made from 8 shots using the DA 12-24 at
12mm. It was tricky to pull off because of all the people in it. I had
to wait until everyone was positioned 'just so' and then bang out the
exposures fairly quickly while making sure that I got plenty of
overlap but didn't get any *people* in the overlapping areas. I
succeeded for the most part. Well, enough that the final image came
together without much difficulty. I'm pretty pleased with how the
composition worked out with the clouds, mountains and the positions of
the people, but that's pretty much down to blind luck with this kind
of shot.

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite360.jpg
550k in size and 2500 pixels wide – it may not fit on your monitor
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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

Given the state of lens-correction data these days (eg ACR, Lightroom)
that small amount of vignetting (couple of tenths of a stop?) is a
complete non-issue. Even minor barrel distortion isn't worth worrying
about, but especially vignetting.

Unless you just want something to whinge about. In which case, carry on ... :-)

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 FYI, given your requirement for good wide performance, don't pine too
 badly for the 16-50, I noticed a fair amount of vignetting at 16/2.8

 Honestly, given how much you care about the difference between 16 and 17,
 I think you might prefer something like the Tamron 10-24 or one of the
 Sigma 10-20.  Then either suck it up on swapping lenses or get a cheap
 used body for the second lens.


 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote:

 No use in even posting samples. I think my good copy is now bad. When
 I push the barrel up the upper half gets sharp again, so clearly the
 wobble is hurting sharpness. I think the build quality on this lens
 simply awful. I've tried very hard to baby this lens, but it should be
 able to withstand a knock or two. I guess I send in my bad copy and
 have CRIS tighten that and realign it. I hate spending anymore money
 on this stupid lens, but the range is nice and the rendering and
 sharpness are both superb when your copy is optically good. I dunno. I
 mean I can spend $180 or so at CRIS and have the same issue 6 months-1
 year down the road. I need something between the 16-40 range and this
 lens was a seemingly perfect fit. The 17-70 isn't great at the wide
 end IMO and the 1mm makes a big difference. The 16-50/2.8 is just too
 much money and I don't need the speed enough to justify spending
 $1000. Not when I could buy a couple of limiteds for thatIf this
 lens is this fragile, its gotta be the flimsiest zoom I have ever used
 and that's saying something. Even my el cheapo 28-80 is better built.
 I really don't know what to do. The 2nd copy was a LN- grade from KEH.
 It seemed ok optically at first, but seems worse now than before. I
 liked the lens enough that I needed another copy to replace the first
 while I decided what to do with it and didn't want it missing. My
 18-55 mk1 just doesn't cut it really and isn't very usable at open
 apertures.

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
  LOL! It might not be that much, but it is noticable...
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
  Treasure it. :-)
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
  tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
  samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
  dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
  right. vertically it feels tighter.
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
   Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 
   16-45 I got from another
   PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great 
   images.  I used it extensively on a
   number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were 
   sharp corner to corner: those
   that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or 
   from the hip...
   There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened 
   up after all.
  
  
   John Coyle
   Brisbane, Australia
 
 
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Re: PESO - faux flowers

2013-07-25 Thread Jack Davis

Very nicely composed shot, Ann. 
The K-5 lends itself to scenes revealing a lot of detail.
 
Jack


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Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:26 PM
Subject: PESO - faux flowers


walked along a street yesterday where there are a lot of wholesale 
flower and plant places - including those made of fabric and plastic.


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Learning-the-K-5/30564911_mcsJ8s/1/2657159736_4qbGp8v/Large

Camera    PENTAX K-5
Exposure Time    0.004s (1/250)
Aperture    f/6.3
ISO    400
Focal Length    55mm (82mm in 35mm)

I love my K-5 ...

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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

Havne't done any post-processing yet to get a closer look, but the
16-50's 16/2.8 vignetting was clearly visible on casual inspection (i.e.
I wasn't looking for it and was mildly surprised to see it) on a photo
with lots of sky, so I'd guess it closer to 0.5-1 EV.  That seems large
enough for concern for at least some people and worth mentioning.

Happy to send you the DNG if you want to look for yourself.  ;-)


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Given the state of lens-correction data these days (eg ACR, Lightroom)
 that small amount of vignetting (couple of tenths of a stop?) is a
 complete non-issue. Even minor barrel distortion isn't worth worrying
 about, but especially vignetting.
 
 Unless you just want something to whinge about. In which case, carry on ... 
 :-)
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
  FYI, given your requirement for good wide performance, don't pine too
  badly for the 16-50, I noticed a fair amount of vignetting at 16/2.8
 
  Honestly, given how much you care about the difference between 16 and 17,
  I think you might prefer something like the Tamron 10-24 or one of the
  Sigma 10-20.  Then either suck it up on swapping lenses or get a cheap
  used body for the second lens.
 
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote:
 
  No use in even posting samples. I think my good copy is now bad. When
  I push the barrel up the upper half gets sharp again, so clearly the
  wobble is hurting sharpness. I think the build quality on this lens
  simply awful. I've tried very hard to baby this lens, but it should be
  able to withstand a knock or two. I guess I send in my bad copy and
  have CRIS tighten that and realign it. I hate spending anymore money
  on this stupid lens, but the range is nice and the rendering and
  sharpness are both superb when your copy is optically good. I dunno. I
  mean I can spend $180 or so at CRIS and have the same issue 6 months-1
  year down the road. I need something between the 16-40 range and this
  lens was a seemingly perfect fit. The 17-70 isn't great at the wide
  end IMO and the 1mm makes a big difference. The 16-50/2.8 is just too
  much money and I don't need the speed enough to justify spending
  $1000. Not when I could buy a couple of limiteds for thatIf this
  lens is this fragile, its gotta be the flimsiest zoom I have ever used
  and that's saying something. Even my el cheapo 28-80 is better built.
  I really don't know what to do. The 2nd copy was a LN- grade from KEH.
  It seemed ok optically at first, but seems worse now than before. I
  liked the lens enough that I needed another copy to replace the first
  while I decided what to do with it and didn't want it missing. My
  18-55 mk1 just doesn't cut it really and isn't very usable at open
  apertures.
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
   LOL! It might not be that much, but it is noticable...
  
   On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com 
   wrote:
   1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
   Treasure it. :-)
  
   On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
   tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
   samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
   dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
   right. vertically it feels tighter.
  
   On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au 
   wrote:
Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  
The 16-45 I got from another
PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great 
images.  I used it extensively on a
number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were 
sharp corner to corner: those
that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or 
from the hip...
There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it 
tightened up after all.
   
   
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
  
  
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Re: What if Pentax did a Kickstarter?

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, David Parsons wrote:

 I can't imagine that crowdsourcing is capable of raising enough money
 to shut down a production line, retool, and make new product.

Might work if they're on the fence about a new lens they're already
thinking of and need to ensure that they have a minimum number of orders
to handle their fixed costs.  At this point, it's pretty clear that
Kickstarter/Indiegogo can handle large projects.
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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

Bruce Walker wrote:

Given the state of lens-correction data these days (eg ACR, Lightroom)
that small amount of vignetting (couple of tenths of a stop?) is a
complete non-issue. Even minor barrel distortion isn't worth worrying
about, but especially vignetting.

Unless you just want something to whinge about. In which case, carry on ... :-)

More to the point, light fall-off in the corners (not vignetting,
which is darkening caused by an obstruction) is rarely a problem. In
Lightroom I *add* this effect frequently and only *very* rarely feel
the need to correct for it.
 
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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

2013-07-25 Thread Philip Northeast

All zoom lenses are a compromise between quality and convenience. When 
you use them at the extremities- widest angle and largest aperture 
lenses such as the 16-50 are not at their best.


I recently bought a second hand DA 14mm f2.8 prime  to complement my DA 
21mm Limited prime to cover these focal lengths.


Philip Northeast

www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au

On 26/07/13 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

Havne't done any post-processing yet to get a closer look, but the
16-50's 16/2.8 vignetting was clearly visible on casual inspection (i.e.
I wasn't looking for it and was mildly surprised to see it) on a photo
with lots of sky, so I'd guess it closer to 0.5-1 EV.  That seems large
enough for concern for at least some people and worth mentioning.

Happy to send you the DNG if you want to look for yourself.  ;-)


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:


Given the state of lens-correction data these days (eg ACR, Lightroom)
that small amount of vignetting (couple of tenths of a stop?) is a
complete non-issue. Even minor barrel distortion isn't worth worrying
about, but especially vignetting.

Unless you just want something to whinge about. In which case, carry on ... :-)

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

FYI, given your requirement for good wide performance, don't pine too
badly for the 16-50, I noticed a fair amount of vignetting at 16/2.8

Honestly, given how much you care about the difference between 16 and 17,
I think you might prefer something like the Tamron 10-24 or one of the
Sigma 10-20.  Then either suck it up on swapping lenses or get a cheap
used body for the second lens.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote:


No use in even posting samples. I think my good copy is now bad. When
I push the barrel up the upper half gets sharp again, so clearly the
wobble is hurting sharpness. I think the build quality on this lens
simply awful. I've tried very hard to baby this lens, but it should be
able to withstand a knock or two. I guess I send in my bad copy and
have CRIS tighten that and realign it. I hate spending anymore money
on this stupid lens, but the range is nice and the rendering and
sharpness are both superb when your copy is optically good. I dunno. I
mean I can spend $180 or so at CRIS and have the same issue 6 months-1
year down the road. I need something between the 16-40 range and this
lens was a seemingly perfect fit. The 17-70 isn't great at the wide
end IMO and the 1mm makes a big difference. The 16-50/2.8 is just too
much money and I don't need the speed enough to justify spending
$1000. Not when I could buy a couple of limiteds for thatIf this
lens is this fragile, its gotta be the flimsiest zoom I have ever used
and that's saying something. Even my el cheapo 28-80 is better built.
I really don't know what to do. The 2nd copy was a LN- grade from KEH.
It seemed ok optically at first, but seems worse now than before. I
liked the lens enough that I needed another copy to replace the first
while I decided what to do with it and didn't want it missing. My
18-55 mk1 just doesn't cut it really and isn't very usable at open
apertures.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

LOL! It might not be that much, but it is noticable...

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
Treasure it. :-)

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:


I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
right. vertically it feels tighter.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 16-45 I 
got from another
PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great images.  I 
used it extensively on a
number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were sharp 
corner to corner: those
that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or from the 
hip...
There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened up after 
all.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Re: OT - Heads up - eneloop XX on sale

2013-07-25 Thread Larry Colen

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 07:21:46PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 
 Thu Jul 25 19:03:18 EDT 2013
 Larry Colen wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:06:25PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
   
   
   I remember that several people on the list have been considering
   the new type, Eneloop XX precharged batteries that are higher
   capacity/low discharge.
   At the moment, the 8-pack is $30, which as far as I undertand is a
   good deal.
   http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B008LTJJJA
  
  That link took me to a $36 price.
  
  Here is 8 for $30
  http://www.amazon.com/Capacity-Pre-Charged-Rechargeable-Batteries-Position/dp/B009LU9150/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1374793216sr=1-2keywords=eneloop+xx
  
  and 4 for $13
  http://www.amazon.com/Eneloop-batteries-2500-mAh-NiMH/dp/B004DW7S06/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1374793216sr=1-6keywords=eneloop+xx
  
 
 You $30 link is pointing to the 4pack with the charger.
 I suspect the price has changed and is no longer $30.
 
 And your $13 link shows $17 price for me, the same way as I say it
 earlier today.

Interesting.  It was $12.64 

I suspect that Amazon dynamically adjusts its prices.


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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

I'm fussy, but I haven't noticed any vignetting at 16. If it's there, it's 
minimal.

Paul via phone

On Jul 25, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

 Havne't done any post-processing yet to get a closer look, but the
 16-50's 16/2.8 vignetting was clearly visible on casual inspection (i.e.
 I wasn't looking for it and was mildly surprised to see it) on a photo
 with lots of sky, so I'd guess it closer to 0.5-1 EV.  That seems large
 enough for concern for at least some people and worth mentioning.
 
 Happy to send you the DNG if you want to look for yourself.  ;-)
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 
 Given the state of lens-correction data these days (eg ACR, Lightroom)
 that small amount of vignetting (couple of tenths of a stop?) is a
 complete non-issue. Even minor barrel distortion isn't worth worrying
 about, but especially vignetting.
 
 Unless you just want something to whinge about. In which case, carry on ... 
 :-)
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 FYI, given your requirement for good wide performance, don't pine too
 badly for the 16-50, I noticed a fair amount of vignetting at 16/2.8
 
 Honestly, given how much you care about the difference between 16 and 17,
 I think you might prefer something like the Tamron 10-24 or one of the
 Sigma 10-20.  Then either suck it up on swapping lenses or get a cheap
 used body for the second lens.
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote:
 
 No use in even posting samples. I think my good copy is now bad. When
 I push the barrel up the upper half gets sharp again, so clearly the
 wobble is hurting sharpness. I think the build quality on this lens
 simply awful. I've tried very hard to baby this lens, but it should be
 able to withstand a knock or two. I guess I send in my bad copy and
 have CRIS tighten that and realign it. I hate spending anymore money
 on this stupid lens, but the range is nice and the rendering and
 sharpness are both superb when your copy is optically good. I dunno. I
 mean I can spend $180 or so at CRIS and have the same issue 6 months-1
 year down the road. I need something between the 16-40 range and this
 lens was a seemingly perfect fit. The 17-70 isn't great at the wide
 end IMO and the 1mm makes a big difference. The 16-50/2.8 is just too
 much money and I don't need the speed enough to justify spending
 $1000. Not when I could buy a couple of limiteds for thatIf this
 lens is this fragile, its gotta be the flimsiest zoom I have ever used
 and that's saying something. Even my el cheapo 28-80 is better built.
 I really don't know what to do. The 2nd copy was a LN- grade from KEH.
 It seemed ok optically at first, but seems worse now than before. I
 liked the lens enough that I needed another copy to replace the first
 while I decided what to do with it and didn't want it missing. My
 18-55 mk1 just doesn't cut it really and isn't very usable at open
 apertures.
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 LOL! It might not be that much, but it is noticable...
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
 Treasure it. :-)
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
 tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
 samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
 dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
 right. vertically it feels tighter.
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 
 16-45 I got from another
 PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great 
 images.  I used it extensively on a
 number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were 
 sharp corner to corner: those
 that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or 
 from the hip...
 There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened 
 up after all.
 
 
 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia
 
 
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Re: OT - Heads up - eneloop XX on sale

2013-07-25 Thread steve harley


on 2013-07-25 17:48 Larry Colen wrote

I suspect that Amazon dynamically adjusts its prices.


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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

That's why I was suggesting that if 16 is important to Zos (which it
seems to be if he's picky over 16 vs 17 -- the 1mm makes a big
difference), he might prefer looking for something where that's the
middle of the range.  Or yeah, go for prime!


On Fri, Jul 26, 2013, Philip Northeast wrote:

 All zoom lenses are a compromise between quality and convenience.
 When you use them at the extremities- widest angle and largest
 aperture lenses such as the 16-50 are not at their best.
 
 I recently bought a second hand DA 14mm f2.8 prime  to complement my
 DA 21mm Limited prime to cover these focal lengths.
 
 Philip Northeast
 
 www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au
 
 On 26/07/13 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
 Havne't done any post-processing yet to get a closer look, but the
 16-50's 16/2.8 vignetting was clearly visible on casual inspection (i.e.
 I wasn't looking for it and was mildly surprised to see it) on a photo
 with lots of sky, so I'd guess it closer to 0.5-1 EV.  That seems large
 enough for concern for at least some people and worth mentioning.
 
 Happy to send you the DNG if you want to look for yourself.  ;-)
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Bruce Walker wrote:
 
 Given the state of lens-correction data these days (eg ACR, Lightroom)
 that small amount of vignetting (couple of tenths of a stop?) is a
 complete non-issue. Even minor barrel distortion isn't worth worrying
 about, but especially vignetting.
 
 Unless you just want something to whinge about. In which case, carry on ... 
 :-)
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:
 FYI, given your requirement for good wide performance, don't pine too
 badly for the 16-50, I noticed a fair amount of vignetting at 16/2.8
 
 Honestly, given how much you care about the difference between 16 and 17,
 I think you might prefer something like the Tamron 10-24 or one of the
 Sigma 10-20.  Then either suck it up on swapping lenses or get a cheap
 used body for the second lens.
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote:
 
 No use in even posting samples. I think my good copy is now bad. When
 I push the barrel up the upper half gets sharp again, so clearly the
 wobble is hurting sharpness. I think the build quality on this lens
 simply awful. I've tried very hard to baby this lens, but it should be
 able to withstand a knock or two. I guess I send in my bad copy and
 have CRIS tighten that and realign it. I hate spending anymore money
 on this stupid lens, but the range is nice and the rendering and
 sharpness are both superb when your copy is optically good. I dunno. I
 mean I can spend $180 or so at CRIS and have the same issue 6 months-1
 year down the road. I need something between the 16-40 range and this
 lens was a seemingly perfect fit. The 17-70 isn't great at the wide
 end IMO and the 1mm makes a big difference. The 16-50/2.8 is just too
 much money and I don't need the speed enough to justify spending
 $1000. Not when I could buy a couple of limiteds for thatIf this
 lens is this fragile, its gotta be the flimsiest zoom I have ever used
 and that's saying something. Even my el cheapo 28-80 is better built.
 I really don't know what to do. The 2nd copy was a LN- grade from KEH.
 It seemed ok optically at first, but seems worse now than before. I
 liked the lens enough that I needed another copy to replace the first
 while I decided what to do with it and didn't want it missing. My
 18-55 mk1 just doesn't cut it really and isn't very usable at open
 apertures.
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 LOL! It might not be that much, but it is noticable...
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 1/4 of wobble? You must have the special LensBaby co-design version.
 Treasure it. :-)
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You
 tell me. My copy looks no better or worse than photozone's test
 samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft in portrait. So is
 dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and
 right. vertically it feels tighter.
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au 
 wrote:
 Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  
 The 16-45 I got from another
 PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used but still gives great 
 images.  I used it extensively on a
 number of overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were 
 sharp corner to corner: those
 that were not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or 
 from the hip...
 There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it 
 tightened up after all.

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Re: PESO - faux flowers

2013-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele


Thanks JAck, I'm having fun discovering its capabilities
ann

On 7/25/2013 19:30, Jack Davis wrote:

Very nicely composed shot, Ann.
The K-5 lends itself to scenes revealing a lot of detail.

Jack


From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:26 PM
Subject: PESO - faux flowers


walked along a street yesterday where there are a lot of wholesale
flower and plant places - including those made of fabric and plastic.


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Learning-the-K-5/30564911_mcsJ8s/1/2657159736_4qbGp8v/Large

CameraPENTAX K-5
Exposure Time0.004s (1/250)
Aperturef/6.3
ISO400
Focal Length55mm (82mm in 35mm)

I love my K-5 ...

ann



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RE: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

2013-07-25 Thread John Coyle

I'll have a look when it's available, Zos.  My sample has negligible movement 
in the zoom ring, just
a slight feel of the gears being engaged as you move from one direction to the 
other.  There is no
play in the focus ring, and none vertically either.  I've had the lens for 
several years, as I said,
and I don't exactly baby my equipment.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia




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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013 10:52 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

I'll take an f8 shot today and upload crops of the upper corners. You tell me. 
My copy looks no
better or worse than photozone's test samples BTW. Their samples are quite soft 
in portrait. So is
dpreviews. My barrel probably has a 1/8-1/4 of wobble to the left and right. 
vertically it feels
tighter.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Zos, you must have either two bad samples or very high standards!  The 
 16-45 I got from another PDML-er (in, I think, 2007)  was well used 
 but still gives great images.  I used it extensively on a number of 
 overseas trips, and most of the images I got from it were sharp corner to 
 corner: those that were
not are probably due to being taken from a moving bus or from the hip...
 There is no barrel wobble either, so it might pay to have it tightened up 
 after all.


 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia


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 Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013 11:20 PM
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 Subject: Re: 16-50/2.8 (was Re: saved someone from Nigerian Paypal 
 scam?)

 I have the 16-45, but the wobbly barrel is killing my corners 
 randomly. In portrait the upper half tends to get soft. I have two 
 copies of this lens. The one I'm using now is very good when it is 
 sharp, but inconsistent. I would pay to have one of them tightened, 
 but I'm afraid that it will just get loose again rather quickly. I 
 think the build quality is simply awful. Great glass inside though 
 unfortunately. I tend to use it stopped down to f9-f11, but at f7.1 
 and lower the corners get pretty sad looking, so only good for 
 closeups or when DOF is in play. Its pushing me to bite the bullet and 
 start saving for a 16-50, though I don't know if I will really get any 
 better IQ from that at the 16mm mark to be honest. I really wish 
 pentax had some better wide-normal zooms at a reasonable price. The
 17-70 doesn't do it for me.

 On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:13 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 on 2013-07-23 13:44 Aahz Maruch wrote

 Steve, the other advantage of the 16-50, of course, is that you're 
 not having to switch lenses.


 yes, for a couple of years a 16-45mm was my most-used lens


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Re: PESO - Ballerinas

Thanks Ken. And thanks to all who commented or had a look.

Paul via phone

On Jul 25, 2013, at 2:37 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

 Certainly a great, colorful, summertime rendition. 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
 
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RE: OT: anyone familiar with UK copyright (for publishing in the U.S.)?

2013-07-25 Thread Gerrit Visser

50 or 70 years after death is the present extent of copyright AFAIK,
depending on where the book was originally published. Everytime the
copyright on Mickey Mouse is about to expire, the term gets increased.

gerrit

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Just a short follow-up. It appears that what I am asking about is called
orphan works and UK law recently changed regarding them:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2013/05/orphan-works

We are 33 years out from the original publishing date (no other editions
were printed and it was never even published in paperback). I know who the
original publishing house was, but there would be no reason to give them a
heads-up on what I'd like to do... they can't possibly have publishing
rights that extend this far out (can they?)

Interesting.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
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 a long out-of-print title (published in 1980) by a now deceased author 
 (died 2009) who, in a 1997 USENET post, gave permission to reproduce 
 (photo/ copy) his book if anyone found a copy. He also stated that 
 he owned the copyright (therefore could give such permission). I have 
 reason to believe that the title might be reasonably popular today, if 
 again available.

 I guess my question is: Would his copyright have passed to his heirs?
 (Or what happens to one's copyright at death in the UK system)? Does 
 his giving permission to reproduce mean that I could now republish it 
 in the U.S. without treading on anyone's rights? Or if someone 
 maintains rights, how might I go about finding out who and procuring 
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Re: OT: anyone familiar with UK copyright (for publishing in the U.S.)?

Thanks for the reply, but I believe that is in the U.S. (isn't it)?

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote:
 50 or 70 years after death is the present extent of copyright AFAIK,
 depending on where the book was originally published. Everytime the
 copyright on Mickey Mouse is about to expire, the term gets increased.

 gerrit

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 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:46 PM
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 Subject: Re: OT: anyone familiar with UK copyright (for publishing in the
 U.S.)?

 Just a short follow-up. It appears that what I am asking about is called
 orphan works and UK law recently changed regarding them:
 http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2013/05/orphan-works

 We are 33 years out from the original publishing date (no other editions
 were printed and it was never even published in paperback). I know who the
 original publishing house was, but there would be no reason to give them a
 heads-up on what I'd like to do... they can't possibly have publishing
 rights that extend this far out (can they?)

 Interesting.

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have an interesting situation that I just bumped across. I've found
 a long out-of-print title (published in 1980) by a now deceased author
 (died 2009) who, in a 1997 USENET post, gave permission to reproduce
 (photo/ copy) his book if anyone found a copy. He also stated that
 he owned the copyright (therefore could give such permission). I have
 reason to believe that the title might be reasonably popular today, if
 again available.

 I guess my question is: Would his copyright have passed to his heirs?
 (Or what happens to one's copyright at death in the UK system)? Does
 his giving permission to reproduce mean that I could now republish it
 in the U.S. without treading on anyone's rights? Or if someone
 maintains rights, how might I go about finding out who and procuring
 them?

 Thanks for any insights.

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Re: 16-45 corner softness...(was re: 16-50 f2.8)

2013-07-25 Thread Mark C


On 7/25/2013 7:45 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
More to the point, light fall-off in the corners (not vignetting, 
which is darkening caused by an obstruction) is rarely a problem. In 
Lightroom I *add* this effect frequently and only *very* rarely feel 
the need to correct for it. 


I once read a darkroom book where ther author said that it is the rare 
photo that does not benefit from having the corners burned in a bit. 
Sorta the same idea...


Mark


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Re: Another shot from Italy. Mountains this time

2013-07-25 Thread Mark C


Great lighting and the composition is classic. Most excellent!

On 7/24/2013 2:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Out of the city and into the mountains. No tricky HDR or stitched pano
stuff this time. Just a simple snapshot.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/dolomite1.jpg
K-5 and DA*16-50/2.8
  



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Re: KEH has an A* 135mm f1.8

2013-07-25 Thread Mark C


On 7/22/2013 5:12 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

If you have to ask you can't afford it.

On the other hand you might want to ask Mark Cassio, (I hope I got 
your name right Mark).  He had parts custom made to repair his A*200 
4.0 IIRC.


Close - Cassino, not Cassio... But what's one letter?

Yep - Eric determined that my A* 200 f4 was just plain worn out and we 
worked out a deal where he had the needed parts fabricated and 
successfully repaired the lens. Unfortunatley, the repair only lasted 
one season and a year later it was not stopping down correctly. I 
probably should have sent it to Eric to see if just needed adjustment, 
but a mint copy of the lens came up for sale so I shelled out a lot more 
to get a replacement A* 200. I probably broke the used market for that 
lens since everyone who wants to sell one these days is listing it at 
the overly inflated price that I paid. But for me, for a mint, never 
used A*200 it was an acceptable deal. I paid less than what a Nikon 
D7000, 200mm micro nikkor, flash and cables would have cost. I still 
have my old A* 200 macro - it seems to work fine manually stopped down 
and some day I hope to use it with the Q.


Mark



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Re: OT: anyone familiar with UK copyright (for publishing in the U.S.)?

Learning to refine my Google Fu. It appears that copyright extends 70
years after the author's death in the UK and that copyright is like
property (assignable to heirs, can be bought/sold, etc).
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-ownership/c-creator.htm
There is also a difference between the property rights and the moral
rights that go with copyright in the UK.
In addition, the Berne Convention governs copyright law between
countries, and that the UK and the US got behind in 1988.



On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the reply, but I believe that is in the U.S. (isn't it)?

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote:
 50 or 70 years after death is the present extent of copyright AFAIK,
 depending on where the book was originally published. Everytime the
 copyright on Mickey Mouse is about to expire, the term gets increased.

 gerrit

 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Darren Addy
 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:46 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: OT: anyone familiar with UK copyright (for publishing in the
 U.S.)?

 Just a short follow-up. It appears that what I am asking about is called
 orphan works and UK law recently changed regarding them:
 http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2013/05/orphan-works

 We are 33 years out from the original publishing date (no other editions
 were printed and it was never even published in paperback). I know who the
 original publishing house was, but there would be no reason to give them a
 heads-up on what I'd like to do... they can't possibly have publishing
 rights that extend this far out (can they?)

 Interesting.

 On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have an interesting situation that I just bumped across. I've found
 a long out-of-print title (published in 1980) by a now deceased author
 (died 2009) who, in a 1997 USENET post, gave permission to reproduce
 (photo/ copy) his book if anyone found a copy. He also stated that
 he owned the copyright (therefore could give such permission). I have
 reason to believe that the title might be reasonably popular today, if
 again available.

 I guess my question is: Would his copyright have passed to his heirs?
 (Or what happens to one's copyright at death in the UK system)? Does
 his giving permission to reproduce mean that I could now republish it
 in the U.S. without treading on anyone's rights? Or if someone
 maintains rights, how might I go about finding out who and procuring
 them?

 Thanks for any insights.

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades

The SMCP 135mm f 2.5 and SMCP 135mm f3.5 were both part of the lens line
at the same time. A high/low option. One had the choice of the fast
expensive lens of the slower bargain lens, I have examples of both, and
both are excellent performers, with the build quality you'd expect from
the original K series lenses, when inexpensive didn't didn't equal cheap.

I also have one of the second version, of the SCMT 135mm f2.5, the same
optical formula as the SMCP 135mm. I can't remember the differences
between it and the earlier version, but I seem to remember finding the
information on the AHOC web page, (I could be wrong about that I may
have found that information elsewhere), and my copy definitely matched
the later version.

The SMCP 135mm f3.5 also was a carry over from the SMCT 135mm f3.5,
which seems to have been a carry over without optical changes, except
for the coatings and open aperture metering from the Super Takumar 135mm
f3.5.

On 7/25/2013 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

But the Version 2 of the last Takumar would have been its equal.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

The only Pentax 135mm that is better than the K135/2.5 is the A135/1.8.
(Screwmount, original K mount, newer K, M, A, F or FA)
Regards, Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Interesting article, thanks for the link.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Had to Google those two acronyms:
Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete,
Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t
Agree With Are Bullstuff).

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and
makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes

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Re: OT: anyone familiar with UK copyright (for publishing in the U.S.)?

2013-07-25 Thread John


On 7/25/2013 6:14 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

I have an interesting situation that I just bumped across. I've found
a long out-of-print title (published in 1980) by a now deceased author
(died 2009) who, in a 1997 USENET post, gave permission to reproduce
(photo/ copy) his book if anyone found a copy. He also stated that
he owned the copyright (therefore could give such permission). I have
reason to believe that the title might be reasonably popular today, if
again available.

I guess my question is: Would his copyright have passed to his heirs?
(Or what happens to one's copyright at death in the UK system)? Does
his giving permission to reproduce mean that I could now republish it
in the U.S. without treading on anyone's rights? Or if someone
maintains rights, how might I go about finding out who and procuring
them?

Thanks for any insights.



How many copies are you planning to publish?

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Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades