Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread J.C. O'Connell
The first computer I ever used was a HP85, built in monitor, tape drive, 
and BASIC.
I forget what these cost, but we used a quite a few of these as 
instrument controllers

at work in both engineering and production.


On 2/13/2014 2:42 AM, John Coyle wrote:

Very first computer I ever specified and bought for my employer was an HP86A, 
green screen, 2 * 5.25
floppies, plug-in 64k memory module, Epson M1500 printer and an HP plotter - 
bargain at $13,500!
My *istD I bought for a heavily discounted $1900 direct from the importer.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember
what the first XT's cost?

Alan C

When I was selling Apple ][ plus computers, people would spend $2500+ on the 
system to run a $200
VisiCalc program.


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Re: Anti virus spyware programs

2014-02-13 Thread Rob Studdert
I second John's suggestion but I use Comodo firewall instead of the MS
product, far more configurable.

On 13 February 2014 18:23, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Bill, if you are using Windows 7 or later, MS Security Essentials does a 
 pretty good job, without
 needing anything more.  I also use Trend Micro's Titanium Maximum Security on 
 older Pc's, and I have
 not had a virus slip through for a very long time.  Of course, I'm also 
 careful about what I open in
 email or download from anywhere!

 HTH


 John Coyle
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 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill
 Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2014 2:19 PM
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 Subject: OT: Anti virus  spyware programs

 After a decade at least of not running any sort of antivirus, I am giving 
 some thought to installing
 some sort of anti virus/spyware program.
 What's the consensus on what is a good but not bloated AV program. The last 
 one I ran was a Norton
 program that was almost worse than getting a virus, so if they have suddenly 
 become good, it might
 take some convincing.

 bill

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Re: PESO - Bare Tree

2014-02-13 Thread Bruce Walker
Superb, Frank! Very high contrast, beautifully balance. There's a
crunch to it -- I don't know what made me say that, but there you
go.

Definitely one of my faves of yours.

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:00 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 It was snowing down at The Lake last weekend. Such a difference down there as 
 compared to the lush summer, but still beautiful in its own way:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/02/bare-tree.html?m=1

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

 Cheers,
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Re: OT: Anti virus spyware programs

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
I'm generally not a fan of Microsoft products, but this one is free
and actually works very well:
Microsoft Security Essentials
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security-essentials-download


It is not only virus protection, but also protects you from spyware
(like Malwarebytes does, which is another excellent product but costs
$29 to turn on the real time protection). It also does not bog down
your system as Symantec/Norton/MacAfee do.

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Brian Walters
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 Quoting Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com:

 After a decade at least of not running any sort of antivirus, I am giving
 some thought to installing some sort of anti virus/spyware program.
 What's the consensus on what is a good but not bloated AV program. The
 last one I ran was a Norton program that was almost worse than getting a
 virus, so if they have suddenly become good, it might take some convincing.



 Another vote for Avast (free).  It updates itself regularly and hasn't (as
 far as I know) let anything nasty through.

 You do get regular messages suggesting you upgrade to the paid version but
 they're easily ignored...


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Re: F104's revisited - especially for Frank!

2014-02-13 Thread Alan C
I remember an RAF Vulcan (44 Sqn) stationed in Salisbury, Rhodesia in 
1959/60 for a

couple of months (still in the days of the Federation of Rhodesia 
Nyasaland) mostly on an aerial photography mission to aid the updating of 
maps. I

suppose that would all be done by satellite photography today.

Alan C

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Every aircraft has to be judged by its function and service era.  The
Starfighter F-104 was an interceptor designed to climb quickly to high
altitude and fire missiles at incoming bombers.  That mission was
taken over by ground based missiles almost before the Starfighter came
into service.  The USAF tried to use it in Viet Nam, but it was
totally unsuited to the climate and mission.  It was, however, one of
the sexiest designs ever.

The Vulcan was a heavy bomber, designed for the type of air-ground
missions that fortunately were never required.  It was an innovative
machine with a unique, memorable design, and served many nations quite
well.

The F-4 Phantom II was one of the most versatile aircraft ever made,
fulfilling several functions over a long period of time.  Its Mach 2
speed and ability to carry almost any weapon, made it the vehicle of
choice in the West for several decades.  I always though it a
beautiful aircraft, with its coke-bottle fuselage, dihedral wings and
anhedral horizontal stabilizer, but I guess beauty is in the eye of
the beholder.  G  The other airplane in which I flew, the A-6
Intruder, is what I consider to be an ugly bird:
http://www.veteran.com/content/a6a-intruder
http://www.veteran.com/content/a6a-intruder-vma%28aw%29533-nighthawks

For sheer beauty, my favorite military airplane is the gull-winged
F-4U Corsair from WW II:
http://www.aviation-history.com/vought/f4u.html
That was a very tough plane to land and take-off, from what I have
heard, but in the air, it's distinctive shape is unforgettable.
Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Anti virus spyware programs

2014-02-13 Thread Carlos R.

El 13/02/2014 5:19, Bill escribió:

After a decade at least of not running any sort of antivirus, I am
giving some thought to installing some sort of anti virus/spyware program.
What's the consensus on what is a good but not bloated AV program. The
last one I ran was a Norton program that was almost worse than getting a
virus, so if they have suddenly become good, it might take some convincing.



I use AVG in all my computers, both at home and at work. It is fast and 
doesn't suck up the OS resources.


Carlos


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Re: PESO - Incipient Beer

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
Sounds lovely, Rick.
I'm guessing that your primary fermenter is a 5 gallon carboy (not a
6) by the lack of headspace. You might want to build a Burton Union,
if you haven't already, to help reclaim some of that blown off yeast:
http://byo.com/stories/item/351-build-a-burton-union-system-projects


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Maris Otter malt, crystal malt, Target and Kent Goldings hops, Wyeast London 
 Ale III yeast...

 In a month, it should be lovely.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17681808

 or

 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17681808-lg.jpg

 (K-5, FA 24-90, lit with an LED flashlight)

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread John
What were the exchange rates back then and how much of that cost was VAT 
or other import duties?


On 2/13/2014 2:42 AM, John Coyle wrote:

Very first computer I ever specified and bought for my employer was an HP86A, 
green screen, 2 * 5.25
floppies, plug-in 64k memory module, Epson M1500 printer and an HP plotter - 
bargain at $13,500!
My *istD I bought for a heavily discounted $1900 direct from the importer.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 10:47 PM
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Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember
what the first XT's cost?

Alan C


When I was selling Apple ][ plus computers, people would spend $2500+ on the 
system to run a $200
VisiCalc program.


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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread John

I'VE RUN OUT OF LIMES!

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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:49 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'VE RUN OUT OF LIMES!

Scurvy shouldn't set in for at least another hour or two.

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread John

Thinking back on it, I don't even know what the first computer I used was.

We handed in our punch cards at the window  came back the next day to 
get a printout so we could see if the program had run.


Besides that, the only thing I remember is the telephone bill came on an 
IBM punch card that had to be returned with payment, and those cards fit 
into the card punch machine so I could write rude messages to the phone 
company before sending them back.


The first computer I ever owned was a 16Mhz Emerson PC-AT clone with a 
40meg harddrive  5-14 floppy drive DOS 3.3 and a modem. I don't 
remember now, but it may have even had a CGA display.


On 2/13/2014 3:10 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

The first computer I ever used was a HP85, built in monitor, tape drive,
and BASIC.
I forget what these cost, but we used a quite a few of these as
instrument controllers
at work in both engineering and production.


On 2/13/2014 2:42 AM, John Coyle wrote:

Very first computer I ever specified and bought for my employer was an
HP86A, green screen, 2 * 5.25
floppies, plug-in 64k memory module, Epson M1500 printer and an HP
plotter - bargain at $13,500!
My *istD I bought for a heavily discounted $1900 direct from the
importer.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 10:47 PM
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Subject: Re: When did equipment get so cheap?


Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember
what the first XT's cost?

Alan C

When I was selling Apple ][ plus computers, people would spend $2500+
on the system to run a $200
VisiCalc program.


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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread John

On 2/13/2014 9:54 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:49 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:


I'VE RUN OUT OF LIMES!


Scurvy shouldn't set in for at least another hour or two.



Yeah, but some time later today, I'm going to have to brave the elements 
and go out to forage for supplies.


Just to be on the safe side, I better pick up a bottle of tonic as well.

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PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


ann

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Re: OT: Anti virus spyware programs

2014-02-13 Thread John

On 2/12/2014 11:19 PM, Bill wrote:

After a decade at least of not running any sort of antivirus, I am
giving some thought to installing some sort of anti virus/spyware program.
What's the consensus on what is a good but not bloated AV program. The
last one I ran was a Norton program that was almost worse than getting a
virus, so if they have suddenly become good, it might take some convincing.

bill



PC Magazine has an article about antivirus software online this month
where they tested 45 programs.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372364,00.asp

I use a combination of AVG, NoScript and a Hosts file.

I think McAffee has a deal with Mozilla, because I used to get a prompt
to install McAffee whenever there was an update to Firefox.

Another free anti-virus that I've heard good things about is Avast.

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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread Jack Davis
It's time you learned to take your Tequila straight.


Jack


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I'VE RUN OUT OF LIMES!


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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
Love that. Very painterly. Subtle color and a gentle feel.

Paul
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A
 
 
 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55
 
 Storm is stormier than expected
 
 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -
 
 
 ann
 
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Re: Slide digitizer: 2 people with the same idea

2014-02-13 Thread David J Brooks
the words 'simply modification' are not my friend

Dave

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Digitizing large numbers of slides has been mentioned by some PDMLers
 in the past.

 You may have seen this post on Petapixel of a Canon user that can scan
 almost 1,000 slides per hour, almost entirely automatically.
 http://petapixel.com/2014/02/11/neat-diy-projector-rig-lets-digitize-15-slides-per-minute-automatically/#more-129774

 On the heels of that post yesterday, a Pentax user on dpreview posts
 his setup which he claims 1800 slides/hour semi-automatically
 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53102651


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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Great shot!
And I agree... :-)

Godfrey


 On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A
 
 
 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55
 
 Storm is stormier than expected
 
 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -
 
 
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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
You captured the day exactly, Ann.
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
 Great shot!
 And I agree... :-)

 Godfrey


 On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

 Storm is stormier than expected

 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Jack Davis
Love this, Ann. Nice angle and bicycle wheels emphasizing the snow depth.
Soft tones are very appealing.

Jack




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Subject: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


ann

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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Walt

Love it, Ann!

Have some cocoa.

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From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


ann




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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread Bruce Walker
The first computer I ever used was at the Canadian National Exhibition
when I was about ten. I gave the lady fifty cents and after a minute I
was handed five punch cards with my fortune printed on them. I became
very suspicious of this almost immediately and I've never really
trusted computers since then.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:03 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thinking back on it, I don't even know what the first computer I used was.

 We handed in our punch cards at the window  came back the next day to get a
 printout so we could see if the program had run.

 Besides that, the only thing I remember is the telephone bill came on an IBM
 punch card that had to be returned with payment, and those cards fit into
 the card punch machine so I could write rude messages to the phone company
 before sending them back.

 The first computer I ever owned was a 16Mhz Emerson PC-AT clone with a 40meg
 harddrive  5-14 floppy drive DOS 3.3 and a modem. I don't remember now,
 but it may have even had a CGA display.


 On 2/13/2014 3:10 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

 The first computer I ever used was a HP85, built in monitor, tape drive,
 and BASIC.
 I forget what these cost, but we used a quite a few of these as
 instrument controllers
 at work in both engineering and production.


 On 2/13/2014 2:42 AM, John Coyle wrote:

 Very first computer I ever specified and bought for my employer was an
 HP86A, green screen, 2 * 5.25
 floppies, plug-in 64k memory module, Epson M1500 printer and an HP
 plotter - bargain at $13,500!
 My *istD I bought for a heavily discounted $1900 direct from the
 importer.


 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia



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 Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 10:47 PM
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 Subject: Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

 Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember
 what the first XT's cost?

 Alan C

 When I was selling Apple ][ plus computers, people would spend $2500+
 on the system to run a $200
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PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
My back deck this morning.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Jack Davis
You still in Hawaii?

Jack ;-)




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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:12 AM
Subject: PESO: Today's Snow

My back deck this morning.
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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I first encountered computers when I was a physics major at Dartmouth
College.  My math prof was John Kemeny, then chairman of the Math
Department, and later president of the college:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Kemeny

Kemeny wanted some of the physics majors to work with him on a
computer language he was developing -- which turned out to be the
original form of BASIC, also know as Dartmouth BASIC.  We went to the
computer building and did a few of the exercises, but the whole
process of punch cards and print outs took took much time and
patience.  Besides, we had our slide rules, so why would we want to
use computers?

Kemeny and BASIC went on to success and fame, Dartmouth got some money
from the copyright to BASIC for years, and I switched from Physics to
International relations and eventually to law school, and that has
made all the difference.  G

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 The first computer I ever used was at the Canadian National Exhibition
 when I was about ten. I gave the lady fifty cents and after a minute I
 was handed five punch cards with my fortune printed on them. I became
 very suspicious of this almost immediately and I've never really
 trusted computers since then.


 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:03 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thinking back on it, I don't even know what the first computer I used was.

 We handed in our punch cards at the window  came back the next day to get a
 printout so we could see if the program had run.

 Besides that, the only thing I remember is the telephone bill came on an IBM
 punch card that had to be returned with payment, and those cards fit into
 the card punch machine so I could write rude messages to the phone company
 before sending them back.

 The first computer I ever owned was a 16Mhz Emerson PC-AT clone with a 40meg
 harddrive  5-14 floppy drive DOS 3.3 and a modem. I don't remember now,
 but it may have even had a CGA display.


 On 2/13/2014 3:10 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

 The first computer I ever used was a HP85, built in monitor, tape drive,
 and BASIC.
 I forget what these cost, but we used a quite a few of these as
 instrument controllers
 at work in both engineering and production.


 On 2/13/2014 2:42 AM, John Coyle wrote:

 Very first computer I ever specified and bought for my employer was an
 HP86A, green screen, 2 * 5.25
 floppies, plug-in 64k memory module, Epson M1500 printer and an HP
 plotter - bargain at $13,500!
 My *istD I bought for a heavily discounted $1900 direct from the
 importer.


 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia



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 Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 10:47 PM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

 Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember
 what the first XT's cost?

 Alan C

 When I was selling Apple ][ plus computers, people would spend $2500+
 on the system to run a $200
 VisiCalc program.


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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
I think it works better if it is cropped vertically with everything
from the yellow poles - right gone.
Looks like it is coming down in CLUMPS.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 Love it, Ann!

 Have some cocoa.

 -- Walt


 On 2/13/2014 9:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

 Storm is stormier than expected

 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Obviously not;  I'm back home in New Jersey.

I missed three major snow storms, but lived through a few smaller ones
before leaving for Maui, and now I get clobbered with this monster
storm.  Of course, I have two important transactions scheduled for
today at work.  So far, the township has not touched my street or the
feeder leading to it, so I am snowbound, for the time being.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 You still in Hawaii?

 Jack ;-)




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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Cc:
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:12 AM
 Subject: PESO: Today's Snow

 My back deck this morning.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Jack Davis
It was SO obvious, I thought I'd play a bit.

Jack




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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: PESO: Today's Snow

Obviously not;  I'm back home in New Jersey.

I missed three major snow storms, but lived through a few smaller ones
before leaving for Maui, and now I get clobbered with this monster
storm.  Of course, I have two important transactions scheduled for
today at work.  So far, the township has not touched my street or the
feeder leading to it, so I am snowbound, for the time being.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 You still in Hawaii?

 Jack ;-)




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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Cc:
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:12 AM
 Subject: PESO: Today's Snow

 My back deck this morning.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I first encountered computers when I was a physics major at Dartmouth
College.  My math prof was John Kemeny, then chairman of the Math
Department, and later president of the college:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Kemeny

Kemeny wanted some of the physics majors to work with him on a
computer language he was developing -- which turned out to be the
original form of BASIC, also know as Dartmouth BASIC.  We went to the
computer building and did a few of the exercises, but the whole
process of punch cards and print outs took took much time and
patience.  Besides, we had our slide rules, so why would we want to
use computers?

Kemeny and BASIC went on to success and fame, Dartmouth got some money
from the copyright to BASIC for years, and I switched from Physics to
International relations and eventually to law school, and that has
made all the difference.  G
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 The first computer I ever used was at the Canadian National Exhibition
 when I was about ten. I gave the lady fifty cents and after a minute I
 was handed five punch cards with my fortune printed on them. I became
 very suspicious of this almost immediately and I've never really
 trusted computers since then.


 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:03 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thinking back on it, I don't even know what the first computer I used was.

 We handed in our punch cards at the window  came back the next day to get a
 printout so we could see if the program had run.

 Besides that, the only thing I remember is the telephone bill came on an IBM
 punch card that had to be returned with payment, and those cards fit into
 the card punch machine so I could write rude messages to the phone company
 before sending them back.

 The first computer I ever owned was a 16Mhz Emerson PC-AT clone with a 40meg
 harddrive  5-14 floppy drive DOS 3.3 and a modem. I don't remember now,
 but it may have even had a CGA display.


 On 2/13/2014 3:10 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

 The first computer I ever used was a HP85, built in monitor, tape drive,
 and BASIC.
 I forget what these cost, but we used a quite a few of these as
 instrument controllers
 at work in both engineering and production.


 On 2/13/2014 2:42 AM, John Coyle wrote:

 Very first computer I ever specified and bought for my employer was an
 HP86A, green screen, 2 * 5.25
 floppies, plug-in 64k memory module, Epson M1500 printer and an HP
 plotter - bargain at $13,500!
 My *istD I bought for a heavily discounted $1900 direct from the
 importer.


 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia



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 Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 10:47 PM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

 Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember
 what the first XT's cost?

 Alan C

 When I was selling Apple ][ plus computers, people would spend $2500+
 on the system to run a $200
 VisiCalc program.


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PDML Photo Annual

2014-02-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Submissions are still being accepted for the sixth annual PDML photo
book. You have a little over two weeks left to send in your best 3
shots. Please don't wait till the end!

http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/pdmlbook.php

We have some great photos thus far but there's still room for more...

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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Don Guthrie

Well Ann, you managed to make the city in snowstorm look wonderful.
It is 35 and sunny here today so help is on the way.

pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:11:50 -0500
From: Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - Think I'll stay in today
Message-ID:52fce0b6.2060...@nyc.rr.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


  From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
Remember kids, February is Check the batteries in your humor detector Month.
Each year, hundreds of people are injured or die simply due to
ignoring this simple maintenance procedure.
Don't let it happen to YOU.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 It was SO obvious, I thought I'd play a bit.

 Jack




 - Original Message -
 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Cc:
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:32 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO: Today's Snow

 Obviously not;  I'm back home in New Jersey.

 I missed three major snow storms, but lived through a few smaller ones
 before leaving for Maui, and now I get clobbered with this monster
 storm.  Of course, I have two important transactions scheduled for
 today at work.  So far, the township has not touched my street or the
 feeder leading to it, so I am snowbound, for the time being.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 You still in Hawaii?

 Jack ;-)




 - Original Message -
 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Cc:
 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:12 AM
 Subject: PESO: Today's Snow

 My back deck this morning.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Don Guthrie
Gosh Dan, I hope you took that with a remote camera whilst you were on 
the beach. If not welcome back to mainland madness.


pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:12:43 -0500
From: Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO: Today's Snow
Message-ID:
CAOmwt1zVbUhh1V6nZhs5KpHhTqfTOKy=mldjvfqcicp95mc...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

My back deck this morning.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
Love the shot!  The colors, the streaks of snow and sleet, the umbrella, the 
bicycle, the colors--just great!

However, I did not particularly love walking a mile to work through this crap 
(8 inches of it, more coming), and the way home won't be much fun either.

Rick

On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:11 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A
 
 
 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55
 
 Storm is stormier than expected
 
 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -
 
 
 ann
 
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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
Sunny and 45 degrees in Nebraska. Our accumulation is melting.
It is rare we get to brag about any weather in Nebraska, so have to
take advantage of it.
:)

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Love the shot!  The colors, the streaks of snow and sleet, the umbrella, the 
 bicycle, the colors--just great!

 However, I did not particularly love walking a mile to work through this crap 
 (8 inches of it, more coming), and the way home won't be much fun either.

 Rick

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:11 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

 Storm is stormier than expected

 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Ann Very nice capture and to be honest glad the bulk of all that snow 
has missed us here in Nashville. It is rather funny it is way South of 
us and to the North but this year just a dusting has landed here.


On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Don Guthrie wrote:

Well Ann, you managed to make the city in snowstorm look wonderful.
It is 35 and sunny here today so help is on the way.

pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:11:50 -0500
From: Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - Think I'll stay in today
Message-ID:52fce0b6.2060...@nyc.rr.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A 




  From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


ann





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Re: Stop Presses! Sigma announces lens for Pentax mount

2014-02-13 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014, Miserere wrote:
 
 The 30mm f/1. 4: 
 
 http://photorumors.com/2014/02/10/sigma-announced-30mm-f1-4-dc-hsm-lens-for-pentax-and-sony-cameras/
 
 Is it me our has it been a while since any 3rd party lenses came out
 in K mount?

Yeah, it's you.  According to dpreview.com, the following lenses have
been announced recently::

Sigma 18-200
Samyang 10mm
Samyang 16mm
Sigma 18-35
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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dan,
Looks a lot like mine, but several days of sunshine have caused some melting.
Welcome home...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
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 My back deck this morning.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 13/2/14, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

What were the exchange rates back then 

When I was in my early teens in California, my grandmother back in
England would send mea 1 pound note in my birthday card. U gave it to my
dad, and he gave me nearly 5 bucks for it !!

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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Marco Alpert
Lovely! (And, FWIW, I love the crop.)

   - Marco

On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A
 
 
 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55
 
 Storm is stormier than expected
 
 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -
 
 
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Re: K-100D vs K-30 -- Noise at high ISO?

2014-02-13 Thread Glen Berry
I'm impressed! I think that looks as good as my K100D, when it's set to 
ISO 800.


On 2/9/2014 3:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
With the K-5, I often shoot in excess of ISO 6400. This set of a 
burrowing owl was shot with the K-5 at ISO 10,000. I consider it much 
better than merely satisfactory.


http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157634684347823/



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Re: K-100D vs K-30 -- Noise at high ISO?

2014-02-13 Thread Glen Berry

Thanks everyone, for all the very helpful comments!

The more I research it, the more I believe buying a used K-30 is the 
camera that will give me the most value for my money. I've seen reviews 
that said the video mode had some limitations, but I'm not buying a DSLR 
for video. Any little video-mode quirks, like the lack of an external 
microphone jack, aren't very important to me.


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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread John

Fluctuating between 31  33 degrees with mixed snow, sleet  rain.


On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Sunny and 45 degrees in Nebraska. Our accumulation is melting.
It is rare we get to brag about any weather in Nebraska, so have to
take advantage of it.
:)

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

Love the shot!  The colors, the streaks of snow and sleet, the umbrella, the 
bicycle, the colors--just great!

However, I did not particularly love walking a mile to work through this crap 
(8 inches of it, more coming), and the way home won't be much fun either.

Rick

On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:11 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread John

On 2/13/2014 12:50 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 13/2/14, John, discombobulated, unleashed:


What were the exchange rates back then


When I was in my early teens in California, my grandmother back in
England would send mea 1 pound note in my birthday card. U gave it to my
dad, and he gave me nearly 5 bucks for it !!



The pound sterling was worth something back when there was still a 
British Empire.


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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Alan C

Do you believe in global warming?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:12 PM
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Subject: PESO: Today's Snow

My back deck this morning.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

Dan Matyola
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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread John

Mission accomplished. I got limes and another bottle of tonic.

The governor wants everyone to stay off the roads. Fortunately there's a
small grocery within walking distance of my house.


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A Few K-30 Questions

2014-02-13 Thread Glen Berry
I was hoping someone could answer a few questions I have about the 
Pentax K-30. Some of these are a bit obscure, and aren't things you 
commonly find mentioned in most online reviews.


1) I know it has live view, but can that live view be displayed on an 
external monitor of some sort?


2) Is it possible to control the camera's aperture and shutter speed 
remotely?


3) Is it possible to shoot tethered at all?

4) It's not a deal breaker for me, if the K-30 can't do those first 3 
things, but it would be a huge bonus. If the K-30 can't do those things, 
is there a Pentax DSLR that can?


5) With my old Pentax DSLR, it's extremely difficult for me to achieve 
critical focus when using manual lenses. (It has no live view, and no 
focus peeking.) Since the K-30 has live view, with magnification and 
focus peeking, I would think accurately focusing an older manual lens 
would be very easy. Am I correct?


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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread Ken Waller


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- Original Message - 
From: Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point



It's time you learned to take your Tequila straight.



Or Gin.



Jack


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Subject: Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

I'VE RUN OUT OF LIMES!



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Re: A Few K-30 Questions

2014-02-13 Thread Stanley Halpin
K-30 manual available here (under Support section of US Ricoh site):

http://c758710.r10.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/support/manual/1340052607_Manual_K-30_EN.pdf

Might address your questions…

stan

On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Glen Berry g...@glenvision.com wrote:

 I was hoping someone could answer a few questions I have about the Pentax 
 K-30. Some of these are a bit obscure, and aren't things you commonly find 
 mentioned in most online reviews.
 
 1) I know it has live view, but can that live view be displayed on an 
 external monitor of some sort?
 
 2) Is it possible to control the camera's aperture and shutter speed remotely?
 
 3) Is it possible to shoot tethered at all?
 
 4) It's not a deal breaker for me, if the K-30 can't do those first 3 
 things, but it would be a huge bonus. If the K-30 can't do those things, is 
 there a Pentax DSLR that can?
 
 5) With my old Pentax DSLR, it's extremely difficult for me to achieve 
 critical focus when using manual lenses. (It has no live view, and no focus 
 peeking.) Since the K-30 has live view, with magnification and focus peeking, 
 I would think accurately focusing an older manual lens would be very easy. Am 
 I correct?
 
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GESO: House on Wheels

2014-02-13 Thread David Mann
I managed to take some more photos of the house having its foundation repairs 
yesterday.  I've included the recent peso as the first image.

6 photos.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/54/#geso

Cheers,
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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread Stanley Halpin

On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:59 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Mission accomplished. I got limes and another bottle of tonic.
 
 The governor wants everyone to stay off the roads. Fortunately there's a
 small grocery within walking distance of my house.
 

Hopefully you didn’t have to walk in the road! Wouldn’t want to annoy the Gov.

stan


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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Ken Waller

Nice capture Ann. Enjoy the scene.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com

Subject: PESO - Think I'll stay in today



http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


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Re: A Few K-30 Questions

2014-02-13 Thread Glen Berry

Thanks for the link. That might help a bit.

I noticed this odd warning near the beginning of the manual:

Depending on your individual factors or physical condition, the use of 
the camera may
cause itching, rashes or blisters. In case of any abnormality, stop 
using the camera

and get medical attention immediately.

I know that's just a CYA sort of statement, but they make it sound 
like the camera body is made from molded radioactive toxic waste or 
something!  lol


On 2/13/2014 2:17 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

K-30 manual available here (under Support section of US Ricoh site):

http://c758710.r10.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/support/manual/1340052607_Manual_K-30_EN.pdf

Might address your questions…

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PESO : 'Snow More'

2014-02-13 Thread Ken Waller
With all the talk about snow, I thought the list might be interested in 
seeing what the seasonal total is so far as of February 7th in Suttons Bay, 
Michigan.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682550

This has been a 'good old' winter around here. We haven't had one like this 
since the 70's.


The keeper of the 'snow meter' is worried he won't have enought room on the 
meter to finish out the season!


Suttons Bay is located in the Leelanau Peninsula, in the northern part of 
the lower peninsula of Michigan, about 10 miles north of my place in 
Traverse City, Michigan.



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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread knarf
Lovely scene. Captured beautifully as always, Ann.

Cheers,
frank

On 13 February, 2014 10:11:50 AM EST, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


ann

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Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread CollinB
On 2/12/2014 7:46 AM, CollinB wrote:
 Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember
what
 the first XT's cost?

 Alan C

 When I was selling Apple ][ plus computers, people would spend $2500+ on
the
 system to run a $200 VisiCalc program.

John

I remember John Dvorak writing in PC magazine that what Moore's Law
really meant was that while computing power would double every 18 months
or so, the computer you'd *want* would always cost $2500.



One other thing: Retail price points.
A retailer will keep whatever price point is necessary to make a living.
That's why kit packages exist -- combined margin.


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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread knarf
I don't like that word believe. Has too many meanings. And it's loaded.

I prefer to say I ~accept~ that global warming (itself a loaded term - climate 
change is better) is a reality, based on the evidence.

Cheers,
frank

On 13 February, 2014 1:57:32 PM EST, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
Do you believe in global warming?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:12 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO: Today's Snow

My back deck this morning.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

Dan Matyola
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Pentax images from CP+ yesterday

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawari/sets/72157640923259795/with/12498902424/

A lot of shots of the new 645D 2014 and a couple of the film duplicator.

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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Bruce Walker
An excellent shot, Ann. Provides a very strong argument in favour of
staying inside. :)

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

 Storm is stormier than expected

 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread CollinB
Since this is an empistemological matter, perhaps 'accept the premise' would
be more precise.

I don't like that word believe. Has too many meanings. And it's loaded.

I prefer to say I ~accept~ that global warming (itself a loaded term -
climate change is better) is a reality, based on the evidence.

Cheers,
frank

On 13 February, 2014 1:57:32 PM EST, Alan C cole at lantic.net wrote:
Do you believe in global warming?

Alan C


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Re: PESO : 'Snow More'

2014-02-13 Thread Jack Davis
I'm sure much of that snow was expected to fall on California. We're in a 
severe drought situation 
and the ski resorts are trying to get by on the man-made stuff.
So, all the snow talk out here is about how much Michigan owes us.

Jack




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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:40 AM
Subject: PESO : 'Snow More'

With all the talk about snow, I thought the list might be interested in 
seeing what the seasonal total is so far as of February 7th in Suttons Bay, 
Michigan.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682550

This has been a 'good old' winter around here. We haven't had one like this 
since the 70's.

The keeper of the 'snow meter' is worried he won't have enought room on the 
meter to finish out the season!

Suttons Bay is located in the Leelanau Peninsula, in the northern part of 
the lower peninsula of Michigan, about 10 miles north of my place in 
Traverse City, Michigan.


Kenneth Waller
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Re: I'm Back

2014-02-13 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting sup8pdct sup8p...@clubtelco.com:

This is a different view of the bungles in wa. It is from a lookout  
that one has to walk to. It is a panorama merged from 4 images in  
photoshop and cropped.

No other work was done to it.

http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u626/sup8pdct/bungles_zpsa5f81e29.jpg




Excellent pano although it probably needs to be seen much larger to  
fully appreciate that landscape.


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Re: PDML Photo Annual

2014-02-13 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Mark,

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:00:53 -0500 Mark Roberts wrote:

Submissions are still being accepted for the sixth annual PDML photo
book. You have a little over two weeks left to send in your best 3
shots. Please don't wait till the end!

I'll try to select and send in three over the next week or so.

Have not been well enough (health wise) the last month to do anything useful,
but slowly recovering, and don't want to miss the books deadline :)


http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/pdmlbook.php

We have some great photos thus far but there's still room for more...

Good :)


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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread John

On 2/13/2014 2:18 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:


On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:59 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:


Mission accomplished. I got limes and another bottle of tonic.

The governor wants everyone to stay off the roads. Fortunately
there's a small grocery within walking distance of my house.



Hopefully you didn’t have to walk in the road! Wouldn’t want to annoy
the Gov.

stan




I didn't vote for him. Don't matter to me whether he's annoyed or not.

But, I did stay on the sidewalks (where they exist).

Wouldn't be a big deal if I'd driven. The one major street I have to use
was plowed clear. I walked because I need the exercise  I don't want to
be another of those idiots out on the roads. I could handle it if I had
a job that required me to be out there, like a cop or fireman who had to
go to work, but I don't, so I get to leave the car home.

The street I live on never gets plowed. It's not important enough. For
that I have dig myself out.

Tomorrow is supposed to be up in the low 40s  I think the schools will
be open again, so all the soccer moms in their SUVs will be running up 
down the street and friction heating should take care of the slush.

I don't know what's going on with the weather right now. I went outside
a few minutes ago  there's a light misty rain AND snow falling
simultaneously.

Local weather is showing temperature  dew point the same.

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OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread Bill
A year ago, I bought my wife a Lenovo laptop. Apparently these machines 
aren't the best there is, but this was for very light home use, my wife 
does nothing with a home computer beyond a bit of web surfing. She 
doesn't even have a home email address.
Anyway, she told me a month ago that the keyboard was faulty, and 
several keys didn't work.
Apparently, the Lenovo warranty is one year, and the machine was off 
warranty by manufacture date.
Eventually, I was able to get Lenovo to extend the warranty to the 
retail sales date, so I took it in to the shop where a bad keyboard was 
diagnosed.


The repair depot has now decided that they have no knowledge of the 
computer coming in to be looked at, and now the warranty has expired.


Note to self, do not EVER buy another Lenovo computer.

Friends don't let friends buy Lenovo.

bill

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Announcement: Pentax 16GB FLU-CARD delayed

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
It appears that Pentax announced yesterday that they aren't going to
meet their previously announced late Feb. release date (if I'm
interpreting my Google Chrome's translation of japanese correctly)
http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2014/20140213_004712.html

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Re: Announcement: Pentax 16GB FLU-CARD delayed

2014-02-13 Thread Bill

On 13/02/2014 3:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

It appears that Pentax announced yesterday that they aren't going to
meet their previously announced late Feb. release date (if I'm
interpreting my Google Chrome's translation of japanese correctly)
http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2014/20140213_004712.html



My pusher called me yesterday with the news. Apparently the disaster in 
the Philippines is responsible.

I told her to go ahead and order me a Fuji X-T1 and 23mm lens.

Yes, I over react sometimes.

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GESO: Rowing at Dawn

2014-02-13 Thread David Mann
Some more (8) photos from Wanaka.  I'm not too happy with the rendering on some 
of them, there was a little haze in the air which made the sky hard to work 
with.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/55/#geso

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Feb 13, 2014, at 3:13 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:

 Since this is an empistemological matter, perhaps 'accept the premise' would
 be more precise.
 
 I don't like that word believe. Has too many meanings. And it's loaded.
 
 I prefer to say I ~accept~ that global warming (itself a loaded term -
 climate change is better) is a reality, based on the evidence.

One can never go wrong with “climate change.” The climate always changes, 
whereas “global warming” keeps running up against obstinate reality, such as a 
north pole that’s warmer and a south pole that’s colder. 

 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 On 13 February, 2014 1:57:32 PM EST, Alan C cole at lantic.net wrote:
 Do you believe in global warming?
 
 Alan C
 
 
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Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread John

They used to be good quality back when IBM owned the company. They
weren't the fastest or the most bang for the buck, but their quality was
ROCK SOLID.

Who does give you good value for your money in a laptop PC nowadays?

On 2/13/2014 4:32 PM, Bill wrote:

A year ago, I bought my wife a Lenovo laptop. Apparently these machines
aren't the best there is, but this was for very light home use, my wife
does nothing with a home computer beyond a bit of web surfing. She
doesn't even have a home email address.
Anyway, she told me a month ago that the keyboard was faulty, and
several keys didn't work.
Apparently, the Lenovo warranty is one year, and the machine was off
warranty by manufacture date.
Eventually, I was able to get Lenovo to extend the warranty to the
retail sales date, so I took it in to the shop where a bad keyboard was
diagnosed.

The repair depot has now decided that they have no knowledge of the
computer coming in to be looked at, and now the warranty has expired.

Note to self, do not EVER buy another Lenovo computer.

Friends don't let friends buy Lenovo.

bill



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Re: Announcement: Pentax 16GB FLU-CARD delayed

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
Actually, now that I read it again it appears that it is saying that
the former late February has now been changed to a definite release
date of Feb. 27th (the exact opposite of what I was thinking it said).
Those clever japanese have fooled me! (Are we sure they actually
surrendered at the end of WWII?)

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 13/02/2014 3:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 It appears that Pentax announced yesterday that they aren't going to
 meet their previously announced late Feb. release date (if I'm
 interpreting my Google Chrome's translation of japanese correctly)
 http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2014/20140213_004712.html


 My pusher called me yesterday with the news. Apparently the disaster in the
 Philippines is responsible.
 I told her to go ahead and order me a Fuji X-T1 and 23mm lens.

 Yes, I over react sometimes.

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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread steve harley

i like Ann's photo, sort of an artistic journal shot …

on 2014-02-13 10:12 Darren Addy wrote

Sunny and 45 degrees in Nebraska. Our accumulation is melting.
It is rare we get to brag about any weather in Nebraska, so have to
take advantage of it.


a few puffy clouds and low 60s here in Denver, patchy snow and ice berms slowly 
melting off of lawns and alleys; various buds starting to form; we sometimes 
have flowers in January, but haven't seen any yet this year


meanwhile our mountains are getting feets of snow, repeatedly


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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 13.02.14 16:11, schrieb Ann Sanfedele:


 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55


Lovely, Ann. One can almost hear and smell the whole scenery.

We haven't had any winter at all this time, here in Cologne. Not a 
single snowflake and only a few days with sun-zero temperatures. Life is 
unfair.


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Re: GESO: Rowing at Dawn

2014-02-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave, That's the NZ we love!  Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:47 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 Some more (8) photos from Wanaka.  I'm not too happy with the rendering on 
 some of them, there was a little haze in the air which made the sky hard to 
 work with.

 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/55/#geso

 Cheers,
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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Darren Addy
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:19 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 a few puffy clouds and low 60s here in Denver, patchy snow and ice berms
 slowly melting off of lawns and alleys; various buds starting to form; we
 sometimes have flowers in January, but haven't seen any yet this year

 meanwhile our mountains are getting feets of snow, repeatedly

That is very good news for those of us downstream from you!

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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 Do you believe in global warming?

No.  Global Warming is a simplistic dogma created by Al Gore and
others for political propaganda.

Climate change, on the other hand, is undeniable.  It is creating
havoc all over the planet.  It has many causes, many natural and
several caused by human activity.   I see no hope of reversing the
process, or even modifying its effects to any significant effect at
this point.  We must, however, do what we can to limit the effect we
are having on the planet and to deal with the short and long term
effects of climate change.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 13/2/14, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

Note to self, do not EVER buy another Lenovo computer.

Friends don't let friends buy Lenovo.

FWIW, swapping a keyboard out on a laptop is easier than picking your
nose. There will be a video on Youtube somewhere of how to do it. And a
replacement eekbay unit shouldn't cost more than a few bucks.

Just sayin XX

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RE: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread John Coyle
My suspicions were aroused when IBM dropped Lenovo as their Chinese 
manufacturer 9couple of years
ago?), and Lenovo started manufacturing and marketing under their own brand 
name.  IBM generally has
a good reason for such actions!
In Australia, the law is that the retailer has responsibility for repairs to 
defective items - and ,
IMHO, a keyboard should last more than a year or so, so it was defective - 'not 
up to purpose' is
the legal phrase, I think.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 7:33 AM
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Subject: OT: Lenovo Computers

A year ago, I bought my wife a Lenovo laptop. Apparently these machines aren't 
the best there is,
but this was for very light home use, my wife does nothing with a home computer 
beyond a bit of web
surfing. She doesn't even have a home email address.
Anyway, she told me a month ago that the keyboard was faulty, and several keys 
didn't work.
Apparently, the Lenovo warranty is one year, and the machine was off warranty 
by manufacture date.
Eventually, I was able to get Lenovo to extend the warranty to the retail sales 
date, so I took it
in to the shop where a bad keyboard was diagnosed.

The repair depot has now decided that they have no knowledge of the computer 
coming in to be looked
at, and now the warranty has expired.

Note to self, do not EVER buy another Lenovo computer.

Friends don't let friends buy Lenovo.

bill

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Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread Bill

On 13/02/2014 4:03 PM, John wrote:

They used to be good quality back when IBM owned the company. They
weren't the fastest or the most bang for the buck, but their quality was
ROCK SOLID.

Who does give you good value for your money in a laptop PC nowadays?



That was my next question.
I only have two criteria that must be met.
It must be Windows 7, and it must not be Lenovo.

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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread steve harley

on 2014-02-13 15:47 Darren Addy wrote

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:19 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:

a few puffy clouds and low 60s here in Denver, patchy snow and ice berms
slowly melting off of lawns and alleys; various buds starting to form; we
sometimes have flowers in January, but haven't seen any yet this year

meanwhile our mountains are getting feets of snow, repeatedly


That is very good news for those of us downstream from you!


i am downstream from, and depend for water upon, that same snow too; snowpack 
is currently above median, but it could still end the season low (and/or melt 
too quickly)


i'm about 1000 steps from the South Platte River, which feeds Nebraska and is 
the biggest segment of Denver's water supply; most of the rest of our water 
comes from snow falling on the other side of the divide (Colorado River drainage)


anyhow, i grew up in the northeast and have two siblings in NYC, so i'm 
empathetic to east coast weather too




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Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 13 Feb 2014, at 21:34, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A year ago, I bought my wife a Lenovo laptop. Apparently these machines 
 aren't the best there is, but this was for very light home use, my wife does 
 nothing with a home computer beyond a bit of web surfing. She doesn't even 
 have a home email address.
 Anyway, she told me a month ago that the keyboard was faulty, and several 
 keys didn't work.
 Apparently, the Lenovo warranty is one year, and the machine was off warranty 
 by manufacture date.
 Eventually, I was able to get Lenovo to extend the warranty to the retail 
 sales date, so I took it in to the shop where a bad keyboard was diagnosed.
 
 The repair depot has now decided that they have no knowledge of the computer 
 coming in to be looked at, and now the warranty has expired.
 
 Note to self, do not EVER buy another Lenovo computer.
 
 Friends don't let friends buy Lenovo.

I've had a couple of Thinkpad X100e netbooks. They are very well built. The 
first one came to an abrupt end when someone spilt a glass of water on it and 
screwed the motherboard. The replacement still works, but overheats, especially 
running Windows. It was bought as a couch-potato machine, and I now use an iPad 
for that, so the TP is just for mucking about with experimental operating 
systems. One of these days I will swap the heat sink from the dead machine, but 
i'm in no hurry.

At work we used to supply Thinkpads to the people who go around jumping out of 
helicopters and driving Landcruisers around dusty places. The Thinkpads were 
fairly bomb-proof, but I think we ended the contract for reasons other than the 
quality of the machines.

I still have a working IBM TP 760ED from 1995. I think it's made of cast iron.

B




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Re: Winter Weather Advisory ... again UPDATE II - Crisis Point

2014-02-13 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 13 Feb 2014, at 14:50, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I'VE RUN OUT OF LIMES!
 

Limes are out of season. It's your perverse cravings that are responsible for 
this weather. You'll just have to have a slice of cabbage in your gin instead.

B
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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Bob W-PDML
Very nice. Even in colour it makes me think of W E Smith.

B

 On 13 Feb 2014, at 15:10, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A
 
 
 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55
 
 Storm is stormier than expected
 
 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -
 

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Re: OT: Anti virus spyware programs

2014-02-13 Thread Mark C
I'm using Microsoft security essentials on my main desktop and laptop 
(Win 7  Vista). My scanning machine which has to run XP to support 
Nikon Scan is using AVG - I used to use MSE on it but when the hard 
drive failed and I had to reinstall I went with AVG on a whim. On all 
machines I run Malware Bytes periodically - it is an on demand scan 
program and is pretty good at getting anything that may have slipped 
through.


Mark

On 2/12/2014 11:19 PM, Bill wrote:
After a decade at least of not running any sort of antivirus, I am 
giving some thought to installing some sort of anti virus/spyware 
program.
What's the consensus on what is a good but not bloated AV program. The 
last one I ran was a Norton program that was almost worse than getting 
a virus, so if they have suddenly become good, it might take some 
convincing.


bill




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RE: When did equipment get so cheap?

2014-02-13 Thread John Coyle
In those days the Australian $ was worth about 55c US.  No VAT or GST, and I 
have no idea whether
there was an import duty on computers - probably was, but effect unknown.
For the camera, the A$ was probably about 66c US by then, and 10% GST.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 12:53 AM
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Subject: Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

What were the exchange rates back then and how much of that cost was VAT or 
other import duties?

On 2/13/2014 2:42 AM, John Coyle wrote:
 Very first computer I ever specified and bought for my employer was an 
 HP86A, green screen, 2 * 5.25 floppies, plug-in 64k memory module, Epson 
 M1500 printer and an HP
plotter - bargain at $13,500!
 My *istD I bought for a heavily discounted $1900 direct from the importer.


 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia



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 Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 10:47 PM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: When did equipment get so cheap?

 Yeah, that's it. The same sort of thing happened with PC's. Remember 
 what the first XT's cost?

 Alan C

 When I was selling Apple ][ plus computers, people would spend $2500+ 
 on the system to run a $200 VisiCalc program.

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RE: OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread John Coyle
My stepson is still using my ThinkPad from about the same time - with Windows 
ME, no less!


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

On 13 Feb 2014, at 21:34, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A year ago, I bought my wife a Lenovo laptop. Apparently these machines 
 aren't the best there is,
but this was for very light home use, my wife does nothing with a home computer 
beyond a bit of web
surfing. She doesn't even have a home email address.
 Anyway, she told me a month ago that the keyboard was faulty, and several 
 keys didn't work.
 Apparently, the Lenovo warranty is one year, and the machine was off warranty 
 by manufacture date.
 Eventually, I was able to get Lenovo to extend the warranty to the retail 
 sales date, so I took it
in to the shop where a bad keyboard was diagnosed.
 
 The repair depot has now decided that they have no knowledge of the computer 
 coming in to be
looked at, and now the warranty has expired.
 
 Note to self, do not EVER buy another Lenovo computer.
 
 Friends don't let friends buy Lenovo.

I've had a couple of Thinkpad X100e netbooks. They are very well built. The 
first one came to an
abrupt end when someone spilt a glass of water on it and screwed the 
motherboard. The replacement
still works, but overheats, especially running Windows. It was bought as a 
couch-potato machine, and
I now use an iPad for that, so the TP is just for mucking about with 
experimental operating systems.
One of these days I will swap the heat sink from the dead machine, but i'm in 
no hurry.

At work we used to supply Thinkpads to the people who go around jumping out of 
helicopters and
driving Landcruisers around dusty places. The Thinkpads were fairly bomb-proof, 
but I think we ended
the contract for reasons other than the quality of the machines.

I still have a working IBM TP 760ED from 1995. I think it's made of cast iron.

B




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Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread Mark C
I have a 7 year old Toshiba Satellite that is still running well. The 
dual core processor and 4 gigs of ram are good enough to support 
Photoshop CS5.1.  It's taken its licks over the years and the pins that 
hold the top cover/screen down broke off when I dropped it a few years 
ago, but otherwise I have no complaints about the machine. I'm not a fan 
of the Vista OS but aside from unduly long bootup times and the annoying 
habit of disabling the USB ports after downloading updates (re-enabled 
on the next reboot) it is OK. My wife bought a Toshiba 4 or 5 years ago 
and it has also held up very well. When I go to get a new laptop someday 
I'll check out Toshiba - I'm not current on whether or not they are 
still good.


The HP Elite Books that the IT folks at work give me are pretty nice as 
well.


Mark

On 2/13/2014 6:20 PM, Bill wrote:

On 13/02/2014 4:03 PM, John wrote:

They used to be good quality back when IBM owned the company. They
weren't the fastest or the most bang for the buck, but their quality was
ROCK SOLID.

Who does give you good value for your money in a laptop PC nowadays?



That was my next question.
I only have two criteria that must be met.
It must be Windows 7, and it must not be Lenovo.

bill





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Re: PESO - Incipient Beer

2014-02-13 Thread Mark C

Nice! Using a blow off tube instead of an airlock?

I tried my hand at home brewing for a few years but decided that I was a 
much better consumer of beer than producer, and decided to focus on what 
I do best...


Mark

On 2/12/2014 8:14 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Maris Otter malt, crystal malt, Target and Kent Goldings hops, Wyeast London 
Ale III yeast...

In a month, it should be lovely.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17681808

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17681808-lg.jpg

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RE: OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread John Coyle
I also have a Toshiba Satellite Pro, purchased July 2009, with Vista for 
Business.  I had to have
the keyboard replaced after a grandchild stood on it shortly after purchase 
(Toshiba did it for
free!), but apart from that t's been excellent.  Slow start-up, as Mark said., 
but quick in
operation.
Two years ago I bought my wife a Toshiba Netbook, and that's a pretty neat 
little machine for her
use.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 10:18 AM
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Subject: Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

I have a 7 year old Toshiba Satellite that is still running well. The dual core 
processor and 4 gigs
of ram are good enough to support Photoshop CS5.1.  It's taken its licks over 
the years and the pins
that hold the top cover/screen down broke off when I dropped it a few years 
ago, but otherwise I
have no complaints about the machine. I'm not a fan of the Vista OS but aside 
from unduly long
bootup times and the annoying habit of disabling the USB ports after 
downloading updates (re-enabled
on the next reboot) it is OK. My wife bought a Toshiba 4 or 5 years ago and it 
has also held up very
well. When I go to get a new laptop someday I'll check out Toshiba - I'm not 
current on whether or
not they are still good.

The HP Elite Books that the IT folks at work give me are pretty nice as well.

Mark

On 2/13/2014 6:20 PM, Bill wrote:
 On 13/02/2014 4:03 PM, John wrote:
 They used to be good quality back when IBM owned the company. They 
 weren't the fastest or the most bang for the buck, but their quality 
 was ROCK SOLID.

 Who does give you good value for your money in a laptop PC nowadays?


 That was my next question.
 I only have two criteria that must be met.
 It must be Windows 7, and it must not be Lenovo.

 bill




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Re: PESO - Incipient Beer

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 I tried my hand at home brewing for a few years but decided that I was a
 much better consumer of beer than producer, and decided to focus on
 what I  do best...

That is my philosophy as well.

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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Deck?  what Deck? ;-)

ann

On 2/13/2014 11:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

My back deck this morning.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

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Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
My workplace supplies one with a Lenovo laptop unless one scrapes together 
funds to buy something else.

The damned things are as disposable as Kleenex.  I've had my MacBook Pro for 
over 5 years (knock on wood), and a colleague has been through 3 Lenovo laptops 
in the same time, with less intense use.

Rick

On Feb 13, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Bill wrote:

 A year ago, I bought my wife a Lenovo laptop. Apparently these machines 
 aren't the best there is, but this was for very light home use, my wife does 
 nothing with a home computer beyond a bit of web surfing. She doesn't even 
 have a home email address.
 Anyway, she told me a month ago that the keyboard was faulty, and several 
 keys didn't work.
 Apparently, the Lenovo warranty is one year, and the machine was off warranty 
 by manufacture date.
 Eventually, I was able to get Lenovo to extend the warranty to the retail 
 sales date, so I took it in to the shop where a bad keyboard was diagnosed.
 
 The repair depot has now decided that they have no knowledge of the computer 
 coming in to be looked at, and now the warranty has expired.
 
 Note to self, do not EVER buy another Lenovo computer.
 
 Friends don't let friends buy Lenovo.
 
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Re: PESO - Incipient Beer

2014-02-13 Thread Rick Womer
Yup; 7 gallon carboy with a blow-off tube.  Makes the beer much smoother than 
using a plastic tub.  An airlock gets plugged with the debris early 
fermentation produces.

Rick

On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Mark C wrote:

 Nice! Using a blow off tube instead of an airlock?
 
 I tried my hand at home brewing for a few years but decided that I was a much 
 better consumer of beer than producer, and decided to focus on what I do 
 best...
 
 Mark
 
 On 2/12/2014 8:14 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
 Maris Otter malt, crystal malt, Target and Kent Goldings hops, Wyeast London 
 Ale III yeast...
 
 In a month, it should be lovely.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17681808
 
 or
 
 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17681808-lg.jpg
 
 (K-5, FA 24-90, lit with an LED flashlight)
 
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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It's under there someplace, along with out picnic table and chairs!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Deck?  what Deck? ;-)

 ann


 On 2/13/2014 11:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 My back deck this morning.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

 Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Thanks all 16 of you who have commented and liked the shot - the most 
recent comment *read/that arrived in my mailbox anyway) is Bob's so 
figured I'd do the thank everyone thing here...
So very glad you all like the shot - it means a lot. I had been not 
feeling much like shooting the last few weeks and suddenly looking out 
the window this morning after Ashley woke me up too early (meow,meow, 
feed me feed me) I grabbed the K-5, started shooting through the window, 
then opened it.. fortunately, the wind wasn't blowing the snow in my 
direction.. but the scene was exciting to me - enormous snowflakes, 
sometimes blowing sometimes almost holding still, it seemed. Made me 
feel good.


The snow stopped by 11 am ... got so much warmer the sidewalks were 
clear by 1pm  after people did easy shoveling.. but the street corners 
were lakes.  Had to ship something and it was a challenge walking to the 
post office a few blocks away... but the walk felt good...
I didn't take the camera with me - well, I took the little dark side PS 
but didn't use it.


Lucky to live where I do with this kind of weather - with everything
I need close by -

ann

On 2/13/2014 18:50, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Very nice. Even in colour it makes me think of W E Smith.

B


On 13 Feb 2014, at 15:10, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


 From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

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Re: Lenovo Computers

2014-02-13 Thread John Mullan
There is a big difference between the consumer class laptops and the 
enterprise class machines.  In the case of Lenovo the Thinkpad is an 
enterprise class machine, made for businesses.  The Ideapad is a consumer 
class machine and is made for a price point.  In the case of HP Probook and 
Elitebook are enterprise class machines.  Most still ship with Win7 or Win7 
Pro as that is what businesses demand.


jm

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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:48 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Lenovo Computers

My workplace supplies one with a Lenovo laptop unless one scrapes together 
funds to buy something else.


The damned things are as disposable as Kleenex.  I've had my MacBook Pro for 
over 5 years (knock on wood), and a colleague has been through 3 Lenovo 
laptops in the same time, with less intense use.


Rick

On Feb 13, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Bill wrote:

A year ago, I bought my wife a Lenovo laptop. Apparently these machines 
aren't the best there is, but this was for very light home use, my wife 
does nothing with a home computer beyond a bit of web surfing. She doesn't 
even have a home email address.
Anyway, she told me a month ago that the keyboard was faulty, and several 
keys didn't work.
Apparently, the Lenovo warranty is one year, and the machine was off 
warranty by manufacture date.
Eventually, I was able to get Lenovo to extend the warranty to the retail 
sales date, so I took it in to the shop where a bad keyboard was 
diagnosed.


The repair depot has now decided that they have no knowledge of the 
computer coming in to be looked at, and now the warranty has expired.


Note to self, do not EVER buy another Lenovo computer.

Friends don't let friends buy Lenovo.

bill

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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The snow is starting again, at least here in the Jersey suburbs.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Thanks all 16 of you who have commented and liked the shot - the most recent
 comment *read/that arrived in my mailbox anyway) is Bob's so figured I'd do
 the thank everyone thing here...
 So very glad you all like the shot - it means a lot. I had been not feeling
 much like shooting the last few weeks and suddenly looking out the window
 this morning after Ashley woke me up too early (meow,meow, feed me feed me)
 I grabbed the K-5, started shooting through the window, then opened it..
 fortunately, the wind wasn't blowing the snow in my direction.. but the
 scene was exciting to me - enormous snowflakes, sometimes blowing sometimes
 almost holding still, it seemed. Made me feel good.

 The snow stopped by 11 am ... got so much warmer the sidewalks were clear by
 1pm  after people did easy shoveling.. but the street corners were lakes.
 Had to ship something and it was a challenge walking to the post office a
 few blocks away... but the walk felt good...
 I didn't take the camera with me - well, I took the little dark side PS but
 didn't use it.

 Lucky to live where I do with this kind of weather - with everything
 I need close by -

 ann

 On 2/13/2014 18:50, Bob W-PDML wrote:

 Very nice. Even in colour it makes me think of W E Smith.

 B

 On 13 Feb 2014, at 15:10, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


  From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

 Storm is stormier than expected

 Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -



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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Mark C
Stayi9ng In = Good plan! I hope things thaw soon. We are closing in on 
our first 100 inches for the season, but it has been coming slow and 
steady, not so bad...


On 2/13/2014 10:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A 




From my window this morning iso 800 K-5 with the DA18-55

Storm is stormier than expected

Multiple reasons for not checking in much in a couple of weeks -


ann




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Re: PESO: Today's Snow

2014-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele

As long as you didn't lose the doggie

a

On 2/13/2014 21:01, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

It's under there someplace, along with out picnic table and chairs!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

Deck?  what Deck? ;-)

ann


On 2/13/2014 11:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


My back deck this morning.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17682394

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Re: PESO - Think I'll stay in today

2014-02-13 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Only rain here in the east village.. lots of it.. noisy

I guess I'll see your snow here in an hour or so

ann

On 2/13/2014 21:43, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The snow is starting again, at least here in the Jersey suburbs.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

Thanks all 16 of you who have commented and liked the shot - the most recent
comment *read/that arrived in my mailbox anyway) is Bob's so figured I'd do
the thank everyone thing here...
So very glad you all like the shot - it means a lot. I had been not feeling
much like shooting the last few weeks and suddenly looking out the window
this morning after Ashley woke me up too early (meow,meow, feed me feed me)
I grabbed the K-5, started shooting through the window, then opened it..
fortunately, the wind wasn't blowing the snow in my direction.. but the
scene was exciting to me - enormous snowflakes, sometimes blowing sometimes
almost holding still, it seemed. Made me feel good.

The snow stopped by 11 am ... got so much warmer the sidewalks were clear by
1pm  after people did easy shoveling.. but the street corners were lakes.
Had to ship something and it was a challenge walking to the post office a
few blocks away... but the walk felt good...
I didn't take the camera with me - well, I took the little dark side PS but
didn't use it.

Lucky to live where I do with this kind of weather - with everything
I need close by -

ann

On 2/13/2014 18:50, Bob W-PDML wrote:


Very nice. Even in colour it makes me think of W E Smith.

B


On 13 Feb 2014, at 15:10, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Very-recent-NYC/31835949_JqDbwJ#!i=3073496896k=2tRcqhXlb=1s=A


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