Re: GESO: Sea Lion

[David Mann]

On Sep 22, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016, at 05:08 PM, David Mann wrote:
>> Oops wrong thread, that was meant to be in response to Jack's Colorado
>> Fall photo.
>> 
>> I blame lack of sleep.
> 
> My son and his partner are suffering much the same problem for much the
> same reason...

Congratulations to them, hope you're all enjoying the new arrival.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: Chicago PDML Meetup

[Paul]

Christine, is this anywhere near you?  Is there any place north of them 
via the CTA that we could meet?


-p


On 9/22/2016 7:59 PM, John Coyle wrote:

Hi Christina - this time, no hotel!  The apartment is at 936 W. Armitage Ave., 
and as it's AirBnB,
we cannot host the meet there ourselves, so will need to choose a venue 
convenient for everyone.
Jan and I are happy to voyage downtown or wherever via the CTA system for the 
meetup - all part of
the rich experience!

Regards

John


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This sounds like fun, John!  What's the name of the hotel you're staying at?

Christine Aguila, Asst. Professor
Communications Dept.
Truman College
FC4 President


On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:26 AM, John Coyle  wrote:

Jan and I will be in Chicago the 3-4th. of November: can I suggest we
all meet for drinks after work on the Friday, 4th.?  That will give
anyone who is working a chance to join us.  We'll be staying on W.
Armitage Ave., right next to a CTA station, so getting to the
rendezvous should be fairly easy, I think, and obviously I leave it to the 
natives to pick the

joint!  I think we have us, Christine, Bob S., and Paul lined up so far.  
Christine, will Darrel
join us?


John in Brisbane



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Re: PESO: Rose of Sharon

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> my question is why they didn't name the 8th month
> "Octember"?
>

They named it after the Octomom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Suleman

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RE: Yahoo got hacked

[John Coyle]

I got the same info from another group I am with, so I too changed my password.

John in Brisbane



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Subject: OT: Yahoo got hacked

Saw the news story a few minutes ago.

Apparently it happened in 2014, "state sponsored hackers", but Yahoo didn't 
find it until August
this year. I can't tell if they got any of my information or not, but I went 
ahead and changed my
password. The only thing I used it for was a backup of PDML in case Roadrunner 
went down again. And
now that I'm using Earthlink for email, I probably don't need it for that.

Anyway, I went ahead and changed my password.

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Re: Which version works best?

[Larry Colen]

Larry Colen wrote:



Alan C wrote:

Take a look at this:

http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/t.s.tetrataenia.html


Great link. The friend who liked the photo said it looked like a coast
garter snake:
http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/t.e.terrestris.html

If you go down the page there's a section of snakes with a light dorsal
stripe and a lot of red on the side stripes

like this one:
http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/t.e.terrestris.html




Larry's "vibrant" version is very close.


My version is indeed punched up a bit past nominal, but not so much
that, to me, it looks screamingly unreal. I wonder if I lost any
vibrancy due to the lights I used. Yesterday noon, it was still under
the plants where I let it go the night before, but by evening, it had
warmed up enough to slither off someplace, so I can't go get him to
recompare.


Guess who we found today, still in my front yard:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157673045499340


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OT: Yahoo got hacked

[John]

Saw the news story a few minutes ago.

Apparently it happened in 2014, "state sponsored hackers", but Yahoo
didn't find it until August this year. I can't tell if they got any of
my information or not, but I went ahead and changed my password. The
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Re: New York PDML

[ann sanfedele]

Promise holds - , with a variety of dairy and non-dairy , sugar and 
non-sugar add-ins  and sufficient seating and good cheer


something to look forward to in this otherwise rather gloomy time

ann


On 9/22/2016 3:13 AM, John Coyle wrote:

We've now agreed with Ann we'll meet at her place at midday on the 15th. 
October, with the promise
of good coffee (I'll hold you to that Ann!).
Looking forward very much to meeting up with people I've known on line for, I 
think, up to 19 years!



John in Brisbane






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RE: Chicago PDML Meetup

[John Coyle]

Hi Christina - this time, no hotel!  The apartment is at 936 W. Armitage Ave., 
and as it's AirBnB,
we cannot host the meet there ourselves, so will need to choose a venue 
convenient for everyone.
Jan and I are happy to voyage downtown or wherever via the CTA system for the 
meetup - all part of
the rich experience!

Regards

John


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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila
Sent: Friday, 23 September 2016 10:27 AM
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Subject: Re: Chicago PDML Meetup

This sounds like fun, John!  What's the name of the hotel you're staying at?

Christine Aguila, Asst. Professor
Communications Dept.
Truman College
FC4 President

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:26 AM, John Coyle  wrote:
> 
> Jan and I will be in Chicago the 3-4th. of November: can I suggest we 
> all meet for drinks after work on the Friday, 4th.?  That will give 
> anyone who is working a chance to join us.  We'll be staying on W. 
> Armitage Ave., right next to a CTA station, so getting to the 
> rendezvous should be fairly easy, I think, and obviously I leave it to the 
> natives to pick the
joint!  I think we have us, Christine, Bob S., and Paul lined up so far.  
Christine, will Darrel
join us?
> 
> 
> John in Brisbane
> 
> 
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Re: Chicago PDML Meetup

[Christine Aguila]

This sounds like fun, John!  What's the name of the hotel you're staying at?

Christine Aguila, Asst. Professor
Communications Dept.
Truman College
FC4 President

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:26 AM, John Coyle  wrote:
> 
> Jan and I will be in Chicago the 3-4th. of November: can I suggest we all 
> meet for drinks after work
> on the Friday, 4th.?  That will give anyone who is working a chance to join 
> us.  We'll be staying on
> W. Armitage Ave., right next to a CTA station, so getting to the rendezvous 
> should be fairly easy, I
> think, and obviously I leave it to the natives to pick the joint!  I think we 
> have us, Christine,
> Bob S., and Paul lined up so far.  Christine, will Darrel join us?
> 
> 
> John in Brisbane
> 
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Re: Which version works best?

[Larry Colen]

John Francis wrote:

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:27:20AM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:

My version is indeed punched up a bit past nominal, but not so much that, to
me, it looks screamingly unreal. I wonder if I lost any vibrancy due to the
lights I used.  Yesterday noon, it was still under the plants where I let it
go the night before, but by evening, it had warmed up enough to slither off
someplace, so I can't go get him to recompare.


That's probably just as well.  If it happens to be a San Francisco Garter Snake
that subspecies is officially 'endangered', and has "Fully Protected" status
according to the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, so picking it up
and moving it around is prohibited.


Nope, it's a coast garter.






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Re: Which version works best?

[John Francis]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:27:20AM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> My version is indeed punched up a bit past nominal, but not so much that, to
> me, it looks screamingly unreal. I wonder if I lost any vibrancy due to the
> lights I used.  Yesterday noon, it was still under the plants where I let it
> go the night before, but by evening, it had warmed up enough to slither off
> someplace, so I can't go get him to recompare.

That's probably just as well.  If it happens to be a San Francisco Garter Snake
that subspecies is officially 'endangered', and has "Fully Protected" status
according to the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, so picking it up
and moving it around is prohibited.


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Re: Which version works best?

[Larry Colen]

Alan C wrote:

Take a look at this:

http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/t.s.tetrataenia.html


Great link.  The friend who liked the photo said it looked like a coast 
garter snake:

http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/t.e.terrestris.html

If you go down the page there's a section of snakes with a light dorsal 
stripe and a lot of red on the side stripes


like this one:
http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/t.e.terrestris.html




Larry's "vibrant" version is very close.


My version is indeed punched up a bit past nominal, but not so much 
that, to me, it looks screamingly unreal. I wonder if I lost any 
vibrancy due to the lights I used.  Yesterday noon, it was still under 
the plants where I let it go the night before, but by evening, it had 
warmed up enough to slither off someplace, so I can't go get him to 
recompare.





Alan C

-Original Message- From: P.J. Alling
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Which version works best?

I don't think I've ever seen a garter snake as vibrant as the second
image. I don't know exactly what the subspecies in California looks
like, but probably something between the two based on those snakes in
New England. I like the snake, in the first, but it could use a tiny
boost, while the skull in the second is more dramatic, and shows more
apparent detail.

I guess I'm saying I'd like a more naturalistic snake and more dramatic
skull. (God that sounds like some sort of sexual innuendo).

On 9/22/2016 4:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my
snake and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent
her a copy of the file to print:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/


She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money,
which was appreciated. She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic
artist she had sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at
her request by using levels. I could see the aesthetics in what they
were going for, but felt that with the proper tools (lightroom
adjustment brush used on the raw file) it could be done a bit better.

This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/


in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the
stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and
deepened some of the shadows a bit.

I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works,
or not, and why.

FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still
have things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.






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Re: Which version works best?

[Alan C]

Take a look at this:

http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/t.s.tetrataenia.html

Larry's "vibrant" version is very close.

Alan C

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From: P.J. Alling

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:22 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen a garter snake as vibrant as the second
image.  I don't know exactly what the subspecies in California looks
like, but probably something between the two based on those snakes in
New England.  I like the snake, in the first, but it could use a tiny
boost, while the skull in the second is more dramatic, and shows more
apparent detail.

I guess I'm saying I'd like a more naturalistic snake and more dramatic
skull.  (God that sounds like some sort of sexual innuendo).

On 9/22/2016 4:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my snake 
and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her a copy 
of the file to print:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/

She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which 
was appreciated.  She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist 
she had sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her request 
by using levels.  I could see the aesthetics in what they were going for, 
but felt that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment brush used on 
the raw file) it could be done a bit better.


This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/

in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the 
stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and 
deepened some of the shadows a bit.


I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or 
not, and why.


FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still have 
things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.





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Re: Which version works best?

[P.J. Alling]

I don't think I've ever seen a garter snake as vibrant as the second 
image.  I don't know exactly what the subspecies in California looks 
like, but probably something between the two based on those snakes in 
New England.  I like the snake, in the first, but it could use a tiny 
boost, while the skull in the second is more dramatic, and shows more 
apparent detail.


I guess I'm saying I'd like a more naturalistic snake and more dramatic 
skull.  (God that sounds like some sort of sexual innuendo).


On 9/22/2016 4:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my 
snake and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent 
her a copy of the file to print:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/ 



She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, 
which was appreciated.  She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic 
artist she had sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at 
her request by using levels.  I could see the aesthetics in what they 
were going for, but felt that with the proper tools (lightroom 
adjustment brush used on the raw file) it could be done a bit better.


This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/ 



in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the 
stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and 
deepened some of the shadows a bit.


I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, 
or not, and why.


FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still 
have things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.





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Re: Which version works best?

[Ken Waller]

I much prefer the more vibrant image. Your original version is kinda blah - a 
technical term meaning ho hum.


-Original Message-
>From: Paul Stenquist 
>Subject: Re: Which version works best?
>
>They're both nice shots, but I prefer the more vibrant one. It's more 
>interesting and the pronounced yellow is more pleasing to my eye.
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:44 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my snake 
>> and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her a copy of 
>> the file to print:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/
>> 
>> She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which was 
>> appreciated.  She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist she had 
>> sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her request by using 
>> levels.  I could see the aesthetics in what they were going for, but felt 
>> that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment brush used on the raw file) 
>> it could be done a bit better.
>> 
>> This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/
>> 
>> in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the 
>> stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and 
>> deepened some of the shadows a bit.
>> 
>> I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or 
>> not, and why.
>> 
>> FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still have 
>> things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.
>> 
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Re: PESO: Rose of Sharon

[Ken Waller]

Because it was named August, in honor of my birth !


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>From: Mark Roberts 
>Subject: Re: PESO: Rose of Sharon
>
>Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>>It is the ninth month in our calendar, but
>>it was the seventh month in the Roman calendar, hence the inappropriate
>>(today) name.
>
>Thus the tenth month was named "December" and the ninth month
>"November". But my question is why they didn't name the 8th month
>"Octember"?
>:-)
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Re: Which version works best?

[Bruce Walker]

Yet another vote for the vibrant version. It's just about the right
amount too, neatly avoiding the "dial it to 11" inclination.

And it's a fine, dramatic image too.


On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my snake
> and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her a copy of
> the file to print:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/
>
> She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which was
> appreciated.  She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist she had
> sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her request by using
> levels.  I could see the aesthetics in what they were going for, but felt
> that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment brush used on the raw file)
> it could be done a bit better.
>
> This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/
>
> in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the
> stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and
> deepened some of the shadows a bit.
>
> I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or
> not, and why.
>
> FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still have
> things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.
>
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Re: Which version works best?

[Marco Alpert]

Another vote for the vibrant version. 

- Marco 

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:51 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Paul.  The more vibrant version is more interesting.  The
> colour in the first version is a bit too subtle to my eye.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016, at 06:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my 
>> snake and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her 
>> a copy of the file to print:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/
>> 
>> She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which 
>> was appreciated.  She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist 
>> she had sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her 
>> request by using levels.  I could see the aesthetics in what they were 
>> going for, but felt that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment 
>> brush used on the raw file) it could be done a bit better.
>> 
>> This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/
>> 
>> in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the 
>> stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and 
>> deepened some of the shadows a bit.
>> 
>> I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or 
>> not, and why.
>> 
>> FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still 
>> have things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.
>> 
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Re: PESO: Rose of Sharon

[Mark Roberts]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

>It is the ninth month in our calendar, but
>it was the seventh month in the Roman calendar, hence the inappropriate
>(today) name.

Thus the tenth month was named "December" and the ninth month
"November". But my question is why they didn't name the 8th month
"Octember"?
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Re: Rose of Sharon

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Ken!

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On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> Well composed capture Dan!
>
> Kenneth Waller
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> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" <
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> Subject: PESO: Rose of Sharon
>
>
> As summer draws to a close, my hibiscus plants are fading fast, but their
>> cousins, the Rose of Sharon bushes, are in full bloom:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18286391=lg
>> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
>> Comments always appreciated.
>>
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Re: PESO: Rose of Sharon

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Bruce, Alan, Larry and David for your comments.

Larry, I like your comments about cropping it and using the white slider.

Alan, it is certainly related to the hibiscus (I called it a cousin), and
is in the hibiscus genus, but is quite different in culture and appearance
from the tropical hibiscus (Chinese Hibisacus, Hawaiian hibiscus or
Hibiscus rosa-sinensis):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibiscus_rosa-sinensis  , or the modern hardy
hibiscus plants, that die back to the ground in winter in our climate zone.

Rose of Sharon, *Hibiscus syriacus,* is a hardwood and a  hardy
 deciduous
 shrub
 or tree that loses it leaves in
winter but retains its truck and branches, and thus grows rather large if
not pruned.  Both are spectacular in bloom.

In answer to Bruce's query "btw, what month is Spetember?", the answer is
the month of bad spellers.It is the ninth month in our calendar, but
it was the seventh month in the Roman calendar, hence the inappropriate
(today) name.

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
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> As summer draws to a close, my hibiscus plants are fading fast, but their
> cousins, the Rose of Sharon bushes, are in full bloom:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18286391=lg
> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135
> Comments always appreciated.
>
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Re: Which version works best? Another option as well

[Brian Walters]

I like that too but still prefer the more vibrant version by a whisker.


Cheers

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2016, at 07:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> Larry Colen wrote:
> > A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my
> > snake and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her
> > a copy of the file to print:
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/
> >
> >
> > She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which
> > was appreciated. She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist
> > she had sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her
> > request by using levels. I could see the aesthetics in what they were
> > going for, but felt that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment
> > brush used on the raw file) it could be done a bit better.
> >
> > This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/
> 
> Here's one with the yellow dialed down.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29814806386/in/album-72157674075743956/
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the
> > stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and
> > deepened some of the shadows a bit.
> >
> > I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or
> > not, and why.
> >
> > FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still
> > have things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.
> >
> 
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Re: Which version works best?

[Brian Walters]

I agree with Paul.  The more vibrant version is more interesting.  The
colour in the first version is a bit too subtle to my eye.


Cheers

Brian

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016, at 06:44 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my 
> snake and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her 
> a copy of the file to print:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/
> 
> She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which 
> was appreciated.  She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist 
> she had sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her 
> request by using levels.  I could see the aesthetics in what they were 
> going for, but felt that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment 
> brush used on the raw file) it could be done a bit better.
> 
> This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/
> 
> in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the 
> stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and 
> deepened some of the shadows a bit.
> 
> I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or 
> not, and why.
> 
> FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still 
> have things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.
> 
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Re: Which version works best?

[Paul Stenquist]

They're both nice shots, but I prefer the more vibrant one. It's more 
interesting and the pronounced yellow is more pleasing to my eye.

Paul via phone

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:44 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my snake and 
> skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her a copy of the 
> file to print:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/
> 
> She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which was 
> appreciated.  She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist she had 
> sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her request by using 
> levels.  I could see the aesthetics in what they were going for, but felt 
> that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment brush used on the raw file) 
> it could be done a bit better.
> 
> This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/
> 
> in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the stripes, 
> and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and deepened some of 
> the shadows a bit.
> 
> I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or not, 
> and why.
> 
> FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still have 
> things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.
> 
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Re: Which version works best? Another option as well

[Larry Colen]

Larry Colen wrote:

A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my
snake and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her
a copy of the file to print:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/


She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which
was appreciated. She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist
she had sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her
request by using levels. I could see the aesthetics in what they were
going for, but felt that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment
brush used on the raw file) it could be done a bit better.

This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/


Here's one with the yellow dialed down.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29814806386/in/album-72157674075743956/





in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the
stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and
deepened some of the shadows a bit.

I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or
not, and why.

FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still
have things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.



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Which version works best?

[Larry Colen]

A friend sent me a note that she really wanted a print of one of my 
snake and skull photos for her daughter, so I worked it up and sent her 
a copy of the file to print:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29744792311/in/album-72157674075743956/

She thanked me, and without my asking for it, sent me some money, which 
was appreciated.  She also mentioned that the unemployed graphic artist 
she had sitting around the house had "punched it up" a bit at her 
request by using levels.  I could see the aesthetics in what they were 
going for, but felt that with the proper tools (lightroom adjustment 
brush used on the raw file) it could be done a bit better.


This is my version post "making the snake pop more"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29222522194/in/album-72157674075743956/

in short, I boosted the saturation and a little color balance on the 
stripes, and decreased the saturation and tonality of the skull, and 
deepened some of the shadows a bit.


I'd appreciate some critique comparing the two versions, which works, or 
not, and why.


FWIW, my goal was to make the colors of the snake pop more, but still 
have things look reasonably realistic, if not perfectly accurate.


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Re: GESO: Sea Lion

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016, at 05:08 PM, David Mann wrote:
> Oops wrong thread, that was meant to be in response to Jack's Colorado
> Fall photo.
> 
> I blame lack of sleep.


My son and his partner are suffering much the same problem for much the
same reason...


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> > On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:07 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> > 
> > That's quite appealing.  I'd be tempted to experiment with a bit of 
> > perspective correction in Photoshop.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> > 
> >> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> A couple of the sea lion I mentioned in the discussion about the K-1…
> >> 
> >> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p145359574
> >> 
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Boston PDML meetup

[John Coyle]

Mark, are you happy with a meet on the Saturday, 22nd., and is there anyone 
else coming (I had a
feeling Rick said he might be interested) ?

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>My wife and I are in the final stages of organising a month in the USA, 
>and would love to meet up with any PDML-ers for coffee, lunch (or even 
>dinner!) at any of our
stops.
>
>If anyone would like to meet up, our itinerary includes:
>New York, 13-19 October
>Boston 21-23 October

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Chicago PDML Meetup

[John Coyle]

Jan and I will be in Chicago the 3-4th. of November: can I suggest we all meet 
for drinks after work
on the Friday, 4th.?  That will give anyone who is working a chance to join us. 
 We'll be staying on
W. Armitage Ave., right next to a CTA station, so getting to the rendezvous 
should be fairly easy, I
think, and obviously I leave it to the natives to pick the joint!  I think we 
have us, Christine,
Bob S., and Paul lined up so far.  Christine, will Darrel join us?


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Re: PESO: Rose of Sharon

[David Mann]

On Sep 22, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> (btw, what month is Spetember? :) )

It was slotted in to rebalance the star signs.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37419182

BTW I liked the flower pic, Dan.  Reminds me of Rarotonga :)

Cheers,
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New York PDML

[John Coyle]

We've now agreed with Ann we'll meet at her place at midday on the 15th. 
October, with the promise
of good coffee (I'll hold you to that Ann!).
Looking forward very much to meeting up with people I've known on line for, I 
think, up to 19 years!



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Re: GESO: Sea Lion

[David Mann]

Oops wrong thread, that was meant to be in response to Jack's Colorado Fall 
photo.

I blame lack of sleep.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:07 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> That's quite appealing.  I'd be tempted to experiment with a bit of 
> perspective correction in Photoshop.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44 AM, Stanley Halpin  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A couple of the sea lion I mentioned in the discussion about the K-1…
>> 
>> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p145359574
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Re: GESO: Sea Lion

[David Mann]

That's quite appealing.  I'd be tempted to experiment with a bit of perspective 
correction in Photoshop.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44 AM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> A couple of the sea lion I mentioned in the discussion about the K-1…
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> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p145359574
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Re: Peso garter snake with Irving

[Larry Colen]

Brian Walters wrote:

That's an attractive little beastie which, I gather, is non venomous

It looks a little like a Legless Lizard.  I have a photo of one of those
around here somewhere - I'll try to dig it up and PESO it.


Unless you're a fairly small insects, garter snakes are pretty benign. 
It's possible that if you really irritate one it might bite you, but 
their primary defense seems to be pooping.


Interesting, it seems that they actually are venomous, for humans don't 
need to worry at all values of venomous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garter_snake

If disturbed, a garter snake may coil and strike, but typically it will 
hide its head and flail its tail. These snakes will also discharge a 
malodorous, musky-scented secretion from a gland near the cloaca. They 
often use these techniques to escape when ensnared by a predator. They 
will also slither into the water to escape a predator on land. Hawks, 
crows, raccoons, crayfish, and other snake species (such as the coral 
snake and king snake) will eat garter snakes, with even shrews and frogs 
eating the juveniles.


also

Garter snakes were long thought to be nonvenomous, but recent 
discoveries have revealed they do, in fact, produce a mild neurotoxic 
venom.[4] Garter snakes cannot kill humans with the small amounts of 
comparatively mild venom they produce, and they also lack an effective 
means of delivering it. They do have enlarged teeth in the back of their 
mouths,[5] but their gums are significantly larger.[6][7] The Duvernoy's 
gland of garters are posterior (to the rear) of the snake's eyes.[8] The 
mild venom is spread into wounds through a chewing action.




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Re: Peso garter snake with Irving

[Brian Walters]

That's an attractive little beastie which, I gather, is non venomous

It looks a little like a Legless Lizard.  I have a photo of one of those
around here somewhere - I'll try to dig it up and PESO it.


Cheers

Brian

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2016, at 03:44 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> When Sara and I were heading up to the bridge yesterday to take photos, 
> I saw the garter snake chilling on the shoulder of the road. I stuck him 
> in my cargo pocket to use as a prop and to help him retain his three 
> dimensional qualities.  And, yes, the obligatory comments about the 
> snake in my trousers were made.
> I guess he liked the warmth, because he was totally content to just hang 
> out there.  After going through the photos for Sara, and having dinner, 
> before I let him go, I posed him for photos with Irving.
> Long story short, my sister found Irving when she was working on a 
> cattle drive many years ago and brought him home for me. I think that as 
> a background he nearly works for making such a friendly and mellow 
> little snake look almost menacing.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29791958056/
> K-1, Tamron 90/2.8 macro  ISO 320 f/4 1/50
> 
> C as always are appreciated.  For those that are interested, here's 
> the rest of the set:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157674075743956/
> 
> The pictures were shot using a 14W LED bulb maybe a foot away as the 
> key, a bit of aluminum foil as a gobo to keep light off the background, 
> and room lights as fill.
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