Re: I hate digital photography!
On 10/1/2014 3:34 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:23 , Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Simple solution: Get yourself a 512-meg SD card and you'll only be able to shoot about 1 roll of film before you're done. You're off by a factor of 2, my last operating 2 gig card shows a capacity of 58 exposures in a K-5II I'd assume that you'd need a 1gig card to hold between about 36, so a K-3 would probably need that 2gigs. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 3, 2014, at 11:18 , P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/1/2014 3:34 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:23 , Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Simple solution: Get yourself a 512-meg SD card and you'll only be able to shoot about 1 roll of film before you're done. You're off by a factor of 2, my last operating 2 gig card shows a capacity of 58 exposures in a K-5II I'd assume that you'd need a 1gig card to hold between about 36, so a K-3 would probably need that 2gigs. Ack - my only point of reference was K5 image sizes... and even then I was guessing fast 'n' loose. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 22, 2014, at 13:23 , Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Simple solution: Get yourself a 512-meg SD card and you'll only be able to shoot about 1 roll of film before you're done. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 22, 2014, at 15:44 , Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: I don't actually delete those I don't get to, though. They remain in my archives in case I want to wander through them and see if there's something I missed worth processing, now and then. I do this too. However, last night I realized that for my finished sets of Concert Photographs, where I'd already culled the best of many machine-gun-sequenced shots, there was no reason to keep the leftovers. I went through my last 3 years of images from various events (it's obvious when I see a single folder with 5-700 images in it) and nuked everything that hadn't been edited or included in a collection. 15 minutes of this work yielded 200gigabytes (!!) of space cleared off of my drive. No regrets (yet) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 2, 2014, at 8:34 am, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Simple solution: Get yourself a 512-meg SD card and you'll only be able to shoot about 1 roll of film before you're done. I should try that just for fun... I think I have a 32 or 64Mb one somewhere. Which reminds me, I'd better get out and buy a couple of 16Gb cards for my trip! Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks a lot to all who responded on and off the list. I hope it was clear that my statement in the subject was a bit facetious. I like digital photography (and the camera I currently have, k-5 IIs), It enabled many things that were unavailable (that easily) to me during the film era. But some aspects of it bring up the issues described in the original message. I appreciate many different thoughts and suggestions. Some (many) of those I've been using for long time. But a few suggestions helped me in improving my work flow. In particular, the idea of rating the image with 1-5 stars is helpful. In most cases, I was just sorting them out with select/reject flags. THe downside of those in insufficient granularity, and the fact that those are local variable, i.e. they apply only to the particular collection and do not show in a different collection if the photo is included in more than one collection, or even in the original folder. In the past week, I've adopted the following star rating: 1 star - bad, can be deleted. (but I keep the original on the HDD) 2 stars - barely OK , will not be used for the project, but I might go back to that if I need a snapshot of something/somebody. 3 stars - OK for the project, and might be included in the final set (depending on the project), if I don't have all that I need in 4+ -starred photos. 4 stars - photos will be in the final set for the project (unless a duplicate for another 4+ star photo) 5 stars - 4 stars plus a possible value for other projects (e.g. overall great photograph that I might print or work more on in the future). Absence of a star rating is not a bad thing, but just the fact that the file hasn't been rated (or hasn't been rated yet.) I don't have philosophical issues with the stars (or quasars), and I consider the ratings system described above somewhat similar to Yelp star rating, where 1 means awful, and 2 means bad. That's a very typical system for many evaluations on the 1-5 scale (very bad, bad, neutral, good, very good). As you can see these ratings are project-oriented but with the idea of keeping these ratings uniform across projects so that I can go back and find the best photos in the older projects for a new project. E.g. when I need to do a slide show on a particular topic, I can quickly choose photos from several different past projects (e.g. events) that are alread rated at 5, or sometimes 4. Let me share back some of my organizational practices (in case they would be useful to others): I do use the colors for some specific purposes, but those are usually inconsistent, and not used too frequently. My folders on the HDD are already sorted by years and (most of the time) for separate events. I use collections for two main purposes: 1. to select photos for a specific project (or event) and to prepare web-galleries. Occasionally, for some special projects, I create a separate catalog (either from the beginning, from the moment of importing photos into LR, or later on, by exporting some collections as a catalog). One of my concerns is that as the main catalog grows, at some point it contributes to some slugishness. So, I've been considering starting a new main catalog, but I haven't decided on that. I might do that at the point of installing the new version of LR. I am also considering adopting something similar to what Larry described with respect to the catalogs. As for committments, - I am avoiding those. Bbut even when there is no formal committment, after shooting at some event (e.g. scientific conference) I've had people asking and reminding me that some photos haven't been posted every time they see me. And, occasionally, I either agree to provide photos, or feel that doing that would be benefitial professionally [in my day job], frequently for networking purposes. I am sure some of PDMLers are familiar with such situations. Attila: I don't start processing photos until the photographs are completely imported (and the previews are generated), as otherwise, the computer are too sluggish. Other people on the list have written here about the same experience previously. Often, after a coming back from a trip with many photos, I set up the import before going to bed, and let it running for several hours. THe inconvenience of that is that you cannot queue tasks in LR (at least in LR 3.x and 4.x, don't know about 5.x). LR always runs the jobs in parallel, and if those jobs are similar in nature (different imports or generation of different web-galleries), it's inefficient, and occasionally LR gets stuck. Again, thanks to all for the thoughtful discussion and helpful ideas! Igor On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select
Re: I hate digital photography!
In the words of Sir Arthur Thomas Quiller-Couch, Murder your darlings. Use that delete key and use it often. Get rid of your substandard (below *your* standards) shots and move on. The more you do this the better your work will become, the less you'll shoot and the less you'll need to delete. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've never been able to throw out photos, even the 99% that are crap. It's not so bad with the digital stuff as the 2Tb of storage I have will probably last me forever, but I am still trying to convince myself to do something with all of my old prints. Cheers, Dave On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:11 pm, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: In the words of Sir Arthur Thomas Quiller-Couch, Murder your darlings. Use that delete key and use it often. Get rid of your substandard (below *your* standards) shots and move on. The more you do this the better your work will become, the less you'll shoot and the less you'll need to delete. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Candice just sent me this link to a tutorial on combining LR catalogs http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-complete-picture-with-julieanne-kost/lr3-merging-individual-lightroom-catalogs-into-a-master-catalog-/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 22 Sep 2014, at 23:55, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-09-22 15:23 Larry Colen wrote (unless they are rated 1 star, no redeeming value) pardon me for a philosophical detour — are stars a measure of goodness, or is it a 1-5 scale of really bad, somewhat bad, neutral, somewhat good, really good? Me no Likert B since they are stars, like one gives to school children or to generals, i instinctively think one star means somewhat good, and that's how i use it for rating my own photos (no star means neutral and bad stuff gets the X); but internet usage seems to be against me — a one star review means awful stuff not that end-users generally have a choice about the symbol used, but for the developers there's a semantic implication for design choices; if it doesn't mean good, why use stars? I use quasars B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Back in the earlier film era (20+ years), when I was shooting BW, I had a similar situation with a backlog (but on a different scale), - since I was developing and printing myself. So, I switched to slides - I was getting the film developed at a shop. (Then, when minilabs became accessible for me, I started doing color prints, - as it was easy to take the film and get the prints.) Now, I feel myself in some way similarly to the situation I had 20-some years ago (albeit on a different level of everything), - swamped with the amount of photographs taken and not having enough time to process them. Do they have a treatment for photogolism? I wonder how other people on the list deal with the photos they take, especially those who take many photos. Regards, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No problem at all, since I don't have any deadlines, I'm not bothered by having a huge backlog. From time to time I look over it and ruthlessly delete the ones deemed not worthy of processing. We will soon have rainy weather with awful looking skies, so I will have more time to do processing anyway. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Back in the earlier film era (20+ years), when I was shooting BW, I had a similar situation with a backlog (but on a different scale), - since I was developing and printing myself. So, I switched to slides - I was getting the film developed at a shop. (Then, when minilabs became accessible for me, I started doing color prints, - as it was easy to take the film and get the prints.) Now, I feel myself in some way similarly to the situation I had 20-some years ago (albeit on a different level of everything), - swamped with the amount of photographs taken and not having enough time to process them. Do they have a treatment for photogolism? I wonder how other people on the list deal with the photos they take, especially those who take many photos. Regards, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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By the way with digital, you can still take it to the lab and have it processed for you. You might not like what you get back, but I've had that problem with minilabs back in the day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Attila I was expecting somebody to make this type of a comment. I thought of that myself: 1. First, I found the labs and the masters within those labs that were suitable for me. 2. That was the limit of what was available to me (physically, as I didn't have access to a lab myself, or financially, - where I couldn't afford anything beyond that). 3. Now, about giving photos to be printed at a lab. Because of the demise of the photo-labs, it's harder to find those that are suitable (and affordable). But the main and the bigger reason is the sheer quantity of photos that digital enabled. And yes, what is available to me, as well as what I am capable of, - both have changed, and in most cases, I won't be satisfied with the results if I brought my files to a generic lab without any prior processing (and selection!!!) done by me. BTW, as for the time, - for me even just the process of copying, importing photos into LR, and doing the selecton process - already take considerable amount of time. I don't have hard deadline either. But when you are taking photos at an event (that being a dance event, professional conference or even an outing with friends), people want to see those photos soon, not a year later. Igor Attila Boros Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:33:02 -0700 wrote: By the way with digital, you can still take it to the lab and have it processed for you. You might not like what you get back, but I've had that problem with minilabs back in the day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: BTW, as for the time, - for me even just the process of copying, importing photos into LR Don't wait for this to finish, start the process and do something else while it's running. and doing the selecton process - already take considerable amount of time. Set up your workspace so you can select the photos easier. If I have more photos that are similar, I view them side by side to decide which one I like better. In Lightroom I think if you go through the images in develop module it will be slower because it will render them, the Library module it's faster because it's showing a pre-rendered image. You can view rows of images, assign ratings using shortcuts, sort by ratings... try to make this faster for you. I don't have hard deadline either. But when you are taking photos at an event (that being a dance event, professional conference or even an outing with friends), people want to see those photos soon, not a year later. You don't have to show them all. Cull first, process only the strong images. If there's still a lot, cull more. For events shoot RAW+jpeg, sometimes the jpeg turns out to be good. Also on event shots there will be many photos taken under similar light. Develop one, synchronize the rest. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Shoot less. Process what's appealing immediately. Delete the rest. Oh, and don't make commitments to others to deliver photographs. I wonder how other people on the list deal with the photos they take, especially those who take many photos. See the above. I don't actually delete those I don't get to, though. They remain in my archives in case I want to wander through them and see if there's something I missed worth processing, now and then. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So what do you do when your LR catalog hits over 100k? You just keep adding? I'm at the point where I want to just delete everything and pare it all down to just portfolio worthy stuff. I have months worth of shots to sort and edit and quite frankly I'm really not looking forward to sorting through 100,000 pictures either. Some flagged, some not. It seems like whenever I start purging I delete something I wanted by accident, so I've been really reluctant to delete things but the lack of hard drive space is cramping my style right now hard. Yeah, I could just buy another drive, but for every drive I buy, I have to buy a 2nd so I at the very least have some redundancy. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Shoot less. Process what's appealing immediately. Delete the rest. Oh, and don't make commitments to others to deliver photographs. I wonder how other people on the list deal with the photos they take, especially those who take many photos. See the above. I don't actually delete those I don't get to, though. They remain in my archives in case I want to wander through them and see if there's something I missed worth processing, now and then. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Igor PDML-StR wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! There are aspects of film photography that I love, particularly the rhythm of shooting. However I love digital. With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Speaking of which, I missed you and Jane at SFLX this weekend. It's a shame that you didn't have a flight to miss on Saturday, Gordon Webster's band was completely off the hook. It was amazing. I'm facing 2700 frames from this weekend. I wasn't going to do much shooting, but did want to get some photos for people. Friday night, one of the organizers asked if I was going to be shooting all weekend. I said that I had been planning on getting a few but was planning on mostly dancing. He said that if I took photos, he'd see what he could arrange with the other photographer about refunding some of my registration, which he did last night. The money made a little bit of difference, but the sign of being appreciated really made me feel nice. For event photos, I have the facebook photos which don't have to be as excellent photographically, but which are mostly so the people at the event has photos of themselves to remember the event by, or to show off to their friends. Out of that, I'll select the flickr photos which are the ones that generally stand on their own merits for someone who wasn't at the event. The key to my process is to take several passes as quickly as possible to narrow the photos down to a manageable number. I import everything into lightroom. I'll then do basic sorting into directories. If I'm photographing a band, I try to put all the photos of each musician in a separate directory, so that later I can easily compare them with each other. Also, when I process photos into jpegs, that means that photos of each person end up on a disk where they can easily be found. At this step I may do some mass adjustment for white balance, exposure, autotoning. I also may do mass tagging, like a tag for the event, or the location. My rating system is 1: The photo is completely ruined technically, there is nothing that can be recovered. 2: meh. There is nothing technically wrong with this photo, but nothing artistically right with it. Unless you happen to be the person in the photo and it happens to be the only photo of you at the event and you'll take anything. 3: Good enough technically and artistically to consider putting on the web. 4: Good enough to pay a couple dollars to get a print of. 5: One of my absolute best photos ever. I don't think I've rated any photos a 5 yet. The goal of the first couple of passes is to narrow down as many photos as quickly as possible. I will have lightroom process everything to 1:1 previews because those load the fastest. I had the machine do that last night while I was sleeping. On my first pass, I set lightroom to only show unrated (0 stars) photos. I take a very quick pass rating photos 1 or 3. If there is any question whether a photo is a 2 or a 3 I just rate it a 3 and move to the next. I'd rather get a false positive and look at it again than spend time looking at it. At the end, everything left is rated a 2. My next pass, I go through and select the best photos from the ones previously selected. I may downgrade a few to 2 stars. At this point I've seen everything and know about much better photos that may be later in the set. Sometimes at this step I start at the end and work my way back. I'll use the P key (and sometimes the X key) at this point to make my selections. I may make a second quick pass, using the U key to drop some of the selected photos out. Once I have this selection, I highlight all the selected photos, make a collection and use the U key to unpick everything. I may repeat this cycle a couple of times, as long as I can go through and make decisions quickly. I might do some mass adjustments of photos, as in select a bunch similarlry misexposed or with bad color balance, make a group adjustment and reprocess the previews. Each time I end up with a more select subset of photos to make a collection of. Occasionally, I'll delete the keepers from the collection of the previous iteration to give me best, better, good etc. particularly if the photos are of someone that may be looking for different things than I (how well they are doing a particular move rather than how artistic the photo). When I've got the group of photos to a manageable size, I'll then go through and quickly do individual adjustments, mostly cropping and fine tweaking of exposure. I may also unpick photos at this point. Ideally I'm down to under 20% of my original photos, with many of them similar shots. At this point I can go through and find the best of several similar shots
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Zos Xavius wrote: So what do you do when your LR catalog hits over 100k? You just keep adding? I'm at the point where I want to just delete everything and pare it all down to just portfolio worthy stuff. I have months worth of shots to sort and edit and quite frankly I'm really not looking forward to sorting through 100,000 pictures either. Some flagged, some not. It seems like whenever I start purging I delete something I wanted by accident, so I've been really reluctant to delete things but the lack of hard drive space is cramping my style right now hard. Yeah, I could just buy another drive, but for every drive I buy, I have to buy a 2nd so I at the very least have some redundancy. I have two primary catalogs. One is the everything catalog which has every photo that I've taken. Yes, it's over 100k frames. Giving credit where it's due, I think I got this idea from Godfrey. The catalog that I spend most of my time in is my working catalog. It has my newer work, plus older work that I've been fine tuning, printing etc. Every so often I export all of my recently modified files from working into a xfer catalog, then import that into the everything catalog. Once or twice a year, I'll delete all of the older meh photos from working, and occasionally I'll delete anything under four stars that is over a certain age since I processed it. I don't tend to delete the raw files from the everything catalog (unless they are rated 1 star, no redeeming value) because every so often I need to find photos of someone who passed away and my not quite good enough to put on the web might be one of the best photos there is of someone. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 9/22/2014 2:23 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Back in the earlier film era (20+ years), when I was shooting BW, I had a similar situation with a backlog (but on a different scale), - since I was developing and printing myself. So, I switched to slides - I was getting the film developed at a shop. (Then, when minilabs became accessible for me, I started doing color prints, - as it was easy to take the film and get the prints.) Now, I feel myself in some way similarly to the situation I had 20-some years ago (albeit on a different level of everything), - swamped with the amount of photographs taken and not having enough time to process them. Do they have a treatment for photogolism? I wonder how other people on the list deal with the photos they take, especially those who take many photos. Regards, Igor A lot of them I just put away for six months before looking at them again. I'm not so emotionally invested in them that way. I'm also starting a program to use a roll of film per week kind of just to decompress maybe rekindle my interest. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm pretty sure Lightroom will allow you to have more than one catalog. If your current catalog is getting to big, stop adding to it and start a new catalog going forward. On 9/22/2014 5:04 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: So what do you do when your LR catalog hits over 100k? You just keep adding? I'm at the point where I want to just delete everything and pare it all down to just portfolio worthy stuff. I have months worth of shots to sort and edit and quite frankly I'm really not looking forward to sorting through 100,000 pictures either. Some flagged, some not. It seems like whenever I start purging I delete something I wanted by accident, so I've been really reluctant to delete things but the lack of hard drive space is cramping my style right now hard. Yeah, I could just buy another drive, but for every drive I buy, I have to buy a 2nd so I at the very least have some redundancy. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Shoot less. Process what's appealing immediately. Delete the rest. Oh, and don't make commitments to others to deliver photographs. I wonder how other people on the list deal with the photos they take, especially those who take many photos. See the above. I don't actually delete those I don't get to, though. They remain in my archives in case I want to wander through them and see if there's something I missed worth processing, now and then. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Deleting is one of the best ways to improve your photography ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: I hate digital photography! So what do you do when your LR catalog hits over 100k? You just keep adding? I'm at the point where I want to just delete everything and pare it all down to just portfolio worthy stuff. I have months worth of shots to sort and edit and quite frankly I'm really not looking forward to sorting through 100,000 pictures either. Some flagged, some not. It seems like whenever I start purging I delete something I wanted by accident, so I've been really reluctant to delete things but the lack of hard drive space is cramping my style right now hard. Yeah, I could just buy another drive, but for every drive I buy, I have to buy a 2nd so I at the very least have some redundancy. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Shoot less. Process what's appealing immediately. Delete the rest. Oh, and don't make commitments to others to deliver photographs. I wonder how other people on the list deal with the photos they take, especially those who take many photos. See the above. I don't actually delete those I don't get to, though. They remain in my archives in case I want to wander through them and see if there's something I missed worth processing, now and then. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2014-09-22 15:23 Larry Colen wrote (unless they are rated 1 star, no redeeming value) pardon me for a philosophical detour — are stars a measure of goodness, or is it a 1-5 scale of really bad, somewhat bad, neutral, somewhat good, really good? since they are stars, like one gives to school children or to generals, i instinctively think one star means somewhat good, and that's how i use it for rating my own photos (no star means neutral and bad stuff gets the X); but internet usage seems to be against me — a one star review means awful stuff not that end-users generally have a choice about the symbol used, but for the developers there's a semantic implication for design choices; if it doesn't mean good, why use stars? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 6:55 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: pardon me for a philosophical detour -- are stars a measure of goodness, or is it a 1-5 scale of really bad, somewhat bad, neutral, somewhat good, really good? Originally, a measure of quality. The first star ratings were in the 1920s in Michelin Guides, aimed at drivers since Michelin is a tire company, and rated restaurants: 1: Worth visiting if you are in the area 2: Worth a detour 3: Worth a special trip As of about 5 years ago when I last saw numbers, there were 81 Michelin 3-star restaurants worldwide. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
So what do you do when your LR catalog hits over 100k? You just keep
adding? I'm at the point where I want to just delete everything and
pare it all down to just portfolio worthy stuff. I have months worth
of shots to sort and edit and quite frankly I'm really not looking
forward to sorting through 100,000 pictures either. Some flagged, some
not. It seems like whenever I start purging I delete something I
wanted by accident, so I've been really reluctant to delete things but
the lack of hard drive space is cramping my style right now hard.
Yeah, I could just buy another drive, but for every drive I buy, I
have to buy a 2nd so I at the very least have some redundancy.
Just keep adding. Well, not quite.
I've written about it before. I maintain a two-catalog system for most of my
work. First catalog contains all my work in progress which generally
stretches back until 2006 now. There are about 88000 image files in that
catalog at present, organized into a year and day hierarchy.
Second catalog is a completed work catalog. This contains all the photos I've
abandoned ... eh, completed. It's also organized by year, but the years are
organized by project, not time. There are about 50,000 images in that one.
Beyond those two, I have a compendium catalog that I suck both of the other two
catalogs into and has all the additional images that come from years before
2006. That allows me to browse through everything when I'm scanning for
something interesting or searching for locations, keywords, etc. At present,
there are 375,000 files in that one.
In addition to the above, when I'm working on a particular project, I make
small catalogs once I've established all the photos that a project will
include. I recently created another one of these working on a client order. It
enables me to focus on that work, specifically and without distraction. Once
the project is done, I merge the 'sub-catalog' back into the completed work
catalog.
My workflow works like this.
- When I get back from a session, whether it's 10 or 1000 exposures, I import
them all and set basic keyword and location information.
- I step through them all quickly using the Pick and Garbage flags - no more
than a second looking at each image.
- Then I filter for just the garbage, flip through it, and delete it.
- Then I filter for the un-picked images to see if I missed any that might be
picks the same way I did the first pass.
- Once I've finished the second pass, I filter by picks and put them all into a
collection which is named MMDD-{subject}. That way the collections stack
up in date order. For an average session, the collection usually has 5 to 20
images in it at that point.
- I unset all the pick flags and walk through all the photos slowly now, remove
what I now feel doesn't belong in the good stuff, and start processing in the
order I think they're interesting.
Usually by the time I've processed five to ten in any given collection, I've
gotten through most of the ones I really like. If I then wait three to six
months and look at the collection again, sometimes another couple of images
jump out at me and I process them.
I use the star ratings this way:
* means I've done basic adjustments on it. .. the image is interesting enough
to do that.
** means I like this, I might post it. .. I write these to the completed
archive.
*** meens Yeah, this one made it. .. a rendering was put on my iPad and on
the web.
Four and five stars I reserve for project work on virtual copies:
hot candidate for the project
* included and finished in the project
Any file that gets demoted to under *** is removed from the project.
Once the project is done and the files written out to the completed work
archive, I clear all the star ratings.
Color labels I use for a lot of different things and they're always temporary.
For instance, I might use colors to group a panorama, or a set of sequences, or
whatever. No matter how I use them, I clear them after the use is over.
There are countless ways to organize and use the tools in Lightroom. This works
for me.
Godfrey
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I have several relatives and friends who are involved in various creative artwork, mostly hobbyists. Painters, weavers, basket makers, quilters, stitchers, etc. Once you have made your first 100-150 baskets you will have given several to all friends and relatives, filled up your own house, and every time you have the itch to start a new project you have this worry about storage space. How many paintings can fit in one person's house? Same problem with pots, sculptures, etc. etc. You and I, on the other hand, have the luxury of storing our art as teeny-weeny electronic thingies on some discs and you think you have a problem?!? (;-) But as to your question: 1. Take fewer pictures. Be more selective. Use a tripod. 2. Do a quick run-through of your images as soon as possible. Give a 1 rating to keepers, skip the rest. If and when you have time, you can re-review the zeros and verify tht there are no keepers in that bunch, but meanwhile you have established a basic (smaller) set to work with. 3. Sometime later, sort out the 1's, go through those and give a 2 to any you might work with in the near future to satisfy those nagging commitments. 4. When you have time to work with your 2's, upgrade them to 3, 4, or 5 depending on how thrilled you are with them after you've done what you could to them in post processing. 5. Make a Collection of your higher rated ones from an event so you can quickly find and distribute shots to others. When you re-visit that event 6 months later, don't look at the whole set, just look at those in the collection. The only time to go back to the zeros, 1's, or 2's is a) if you are bored and need something to fiddle with for the evening, or b) you realize that a specific pereson or other subject doesn't show up in any of the higher rated shots. 6. Try to avoid commitments in the first place! stan On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Yes, I hate digital photography! With a digital camera, I am producing to many photographs to be able to deal with. Even though I take photographs only a few days a month, they come in bursts of several hundreds, and then I don't have time to select and process them. Back in the earlier film era (20+ years), when I was shooting BW, I had a similar situation with a backlog (but on a different scale), - since I was developing and printing myself. So, I switched to slides - I was getting the film developed at a shop. (Then, when minilabs became accessible for me, I started doing color prints, - as it was easy to take the film and get the prints.) Now, I feel myself in some way similarly to the situation I had 20-some years ago (albeit on a different level of everything), - swamped with the amount of photographs taken and not having enough time to process them. Do they have a treatment for photogolism? I wonder how other people on the list deal with the photos they take, especially those who take many photos. Regards, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
