{Spam:6} Re: Jalaali?!
I am forwarding MSFTs reply FYI From: Kit George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 8, 2005 1:52 AM To: Omid K. Rad Cc: Kathleen Carey; Matt Ayers Subject: RE: System.Globalization.JalaaliCalendar - Jalaali? Omid, thanks again for following up. Ill forward this to our people over here as some specific feedback. We do go to great lengths to get this right, and we work closely with relative people in the appropriate cultures to ensure that we are making the best choices. Inevitably there are situations where theres some disagreement on an issue, and the best decision is less than 100% clear. But Microsoft leverages all resources at its disposal (including customer feedback such as your own) in ensuring we have selected the most appropriate solution. There can be times when we have to pick one choice or another, even if one party feels thats fundamentally not the best choice. Thanks for your feedback, we really do appreciate this kind of help: it makes sure we know what different data we have to help get this right the first time. Regards, Kit -Original Message- From: Omid K. Rad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:12 PM To: Kit George Subject: System.Globalization.JalaaliCalendar - Jalaali? Ref. Suggestion ID: FDBK17514 Hi Kit, Thank you for your attention and following up. Regarding the Jalaali (Jalali) calendar, if you stick to the current name, then you have to change the calculations as well. Let me declare some points: The calendar in use in Iran is locally called Hejrie Shamsi and not Jalali. Jalali refers to the primitive solar calendar that was formally used in Iran, which is totally different from the one that is being used right now. In the other hand it is wrong to use the name Hejrie Shamsi in English. The calendar in use in Iran is never called Jalali by the academic authorities who arrange the calendar each year. The original Jalali was never based on Hijra as year 1. It was solar but not solar hijra, thus the era that the Jalali calendar refers to is other than that of the current calendar in use. In the Jalali calendar all the months have 30 days. The remaining 5 days in the year (or 6 days in a leap year) will come after the 12th month, whereas in the modern Persian calendar there are 6 months of 31 days followed by 5 months of 30 days plus a month of 29 days (or 30 in a leap year). Taking a look at the calendars that are in the System.Globalization namespace: GregorianCalendar, ChineseLunarCalendar, HebrewCalendar, JapaneseCalendar, JulianCalendar, KoreanCalendar, TaiwanCalendar, you sense a culture or the region where the calendar is originated from or is being used. Jalaali or Hejrie Shamsi make no sense in English, but the Persian or the Iranian speak well of a culture. You regularly see the Persian calendar or the Iranian calendar in the English references. You see Jalali mostly in the Persian references. Having the above in mind, Jalali calendar is clearly not a proper name, even as a local name for Irans current calendar. So for the English name there are only two choices: either the Persian calendar or the Iranian calendar. I personally prefer to use Persian Calendar since it keeps the culture while not limiting it to a specific country. For example people of Tajikistan use this calendar as their second calendar, and Afghans are considering switching their calendar system to that of Iranians. Regards, Omid K. Rad (NotHalfBuff) ___ PersianComputing mailing list PersianComputing@lists.sharif.edu http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Jalaali?!
http://whidbey.msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/cpref/html/T_System_Globalization_JalaaliCalendar.asp At MSDN Whidbeys class library you read: The JalaaliCalendar class represents the Jalaali calendar. The Jalaali calendar is also known as the Persian calendar, or the solar Hijri calendar as opposed to the Arabic lunar Hijri calendar. The Jalaali calendar is used in most countries where Farsi is spoken, although some regions use different month names. The Jalaali calendar is the official calendar of Iran and Afghanistan, and is one of the alternative calendars in regions such as Kurdish Mesopotamia, Kazakhstan, and Tajikistan. Dates in the Jalaali calendar start from the year of the Hijra, which corresponds to 622 C.E. and is the year when Mohammed migrated from Mecca to Medina. For example, the date March 21, 2002 C.E. corresponds to the first day of the month of Farvardeen in the year 1381 A.H. The Jalaali calendar is based on a solar year and is approximately 365 days long. A year cycles through four seasons, and a new year begins when the sun appears to cross the equator from the southern hemisphere to the northern hemisphere as viewed from the center of the Earth. The new year marks the first day of the month of Farvardeen, which in the northern hemisphere is the first day of spring. Each of the first six months in the Jalaali calendar has 31 days, each of the next five months has 30 days, and the last month has 29 days in a common year and 30 days in a leap year. A leap year is a year that, when divided by 33, has a remainder of 1, 5, 9, 13, 17, 22, 26, or 30. For example, the year 1370 is a leap year because dividing it by 33 yields a remainder of 17. There are approximately 8 leap years in every 33 year cycle. Even though it gives a rather good briefing of the calendar, however some parts really need to be changed. Besides the name of the calendar that is still under debate, it seems to me that we have to start over discussing about the name of the language as well. Where do they speak Farsi?! I speak Persian. Another fault there is the era indication of A.H. A.H. refers to Anno Hijae which marks a Hijri date. For Jalali (if named so) it would be A.P. which stands for Anno Persico or Anno Pesarum. If you see any other points that need mentioning, please let me know. I am listing these points to make a feedback to MS. In the meantime you can make your own comments to MS through the email address at the bottom of the page linked above. Thanks, Omid K. Rad ___ PersianComputing mailing list PersianComputing@lists.sharif.edu http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: Iranian Calendar
Hello, I am slow these days to answer, sorry for that; I'm getting over the exams now. I read the mailings for the last few days about the calendar. It's nice to see new and knowledgeable friends like Hooman Mehr and Ordak D. Coward taking part here. There were things new for me and mixed up a bit. Let me brief out what I understand out of the mess about the solar calendar. Please correct me wherever I'm wrong. The calendar Hejrie Shamsi comes in types: - The early solar calendar (Hejrie Shamsie Borji), an observational solar calendar with tropical years. The months are synchronized observationally with the duration sun stays in each of the 12 zodiacal constellations, which vary between 29 to 32 days for each month with an accumulation of 365 or sometimes 366 days a year. - The old Jalali calendar, a true solar calendar with twelve 30-day months followed by 5 or 6 additional days at the end to fill a complete solar year. It starts with 'Norooze Jalali' [*]. - The modern Jalali calendar in use in Iran (Iranian calendar), reworked on the old Jalali calendar and uses the same leap structure; consists of six 31-day plus six 30-day months followed by a month of 29 days or 30 during a leap year. It starts with 'Norooze Jalali'. - The afghan Jalali calendar. It has the same month lengths as the Iranian calendar but the leap years are synchronized with the concurrent Gregorian years. Afghans celebrate Norooze Jalali but the first day of the year might start with an offset of 1 day from the Iranian calendar. [*] Norooze Jalali: The first day of a Jalali year. It is defined by the 'Tahvil' moment, the exact tick that the center of sun passes the point of vernal equinox in the northern hemisphere of the earth. If Tahvil happens before noon of the meridian of Tehran, then Norooz is the same day otherwise Norooz is the next day. There are different methods to estimate the precise moment of VE. The effort is to find the one that is as much as possible close to the real occurrence of the phenomenon. Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: Iranian Calendar
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: Hi Omid and Connie, MSDN way of specifying Hijri calendar is like saying the length of any month in Gregorian calendar is 30 days plus or minus two days -- true but not very useful. [...] Hi Hooman, The Hijri calendar introduced in MSDN does not give you a totally accurate date, since as you know there are many many elements and dependancies around finding a correct Hijri date. It also does not work based on a specific region. It simply lets you adjust it manually by 2 days. It means it has always a probability of 1 or 2 days of error and seems that they prefer this descripency in return of the other advantages it gives: to cover every variant and every region, and the ability to fix the calendar in case that the observations change the authoritative estimated version of the calendar at any time. It is possible to implement the Hijri calendar the way ODC suggested, using online tables of Hijri adjustments for the past years but it still limits the divices to be online and yet it's impossible again to find assured correct dates in the future. With the current conditions in mind I think it is not out of sence to choose this particular calendar for the OS to be ordinarily useable rather than tailoring it for complex calendarical conversions. Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: LeapYears of Iranian Calendar
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote: I guess the best thing to do: - is get an archive of the last 50 years of official times of vernal equinox, or saal tahveel, and compute the length of year for each year. Fit them with linear or quadratic curves. Look at Birashk's method and see how much Birashk's length of year differs from official length of year. Also, look at the real variation of length of years, compute the calendar for the next 1000 years using both Birashk and the curves. Decide if using the curves will result in less error. Good idea, if we can collect the list of Tahveel moments for the passed years, I think I can easily prepare the curves with my implemented calendar. It uses .NET DateTime objects with a presicion of 100 nanosecond (namely a tick). It also supports dates up to year 9378 A.P (Anno Persico). But before that I have to manipulate a line of code to work with Birashk's leap years. Here is an attempt to guesstimate when the official calendar starts to diverge from Birashk's. A rough look at the last few years variation of length of years show a variation of up to 5 minutes. So, each 144 years or so (24hours / 10 minutes) , we have a year whose VE is +/- 5 minutes of noon. Hence, as long as we use a constant for the length of year, it is very likely to see discrepancies once every 144 years. However, this WILL happen as early as 1404. That is, if my calculations are correct Birashk's method gives year 1404 as a leap year, but I get 1403 as a leap year. (I am using some acceptable length of years). That is, the VE of year 1404 should happen around 12:30pm which if it considered afternoon, it shall be Esfand 30th of 1403. THIS IS IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE DEALT WITH. No amount of observational errors can compensate this. Considering the computational power available today, it is a shame if we stick to a method using constant length of year which were only appropriate for pre-computer era. I guess you're right. Since Showraaye Taghvim announces their own calculation of the VE every year, their estimation may disagree with that of Birashk in the next few decades. So we should choose the algorithm that matches the real world as close as possible. -- ODC Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: IranL10nInfo
On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: It is still Amordad; I was going to point it out here to discuss, as I did not find about it in the archives. -Omid The answer is really simple: Have you ever seen Amordad printed *anywhere*? That's like using Pahlavi instead of Modern Persian. In fact I myself use 'Mordad' ordinarily, because I'm simply used to it. But since I was drawn to this calendar thing I realized that the correct word is actually 'Amordad' whose initial ALEF is dropped over a not-so-long time, because of the simplicity to pronounce. The initial ALEF in Persian was used to negate a noun, thus Amordad which means 'the month of no-death' or 'the month of life' has now altered to Mordad meaning 'the month of death'. It was interesting for me when I found that many *printed* almanacs observe to use the original word and I had never noticed that. My mind always saw 'Amordad' and read 'Mordad'. So I was thinking why not have another exception in our literature such as the VAAV in words 'khaahesh' and 'khaahar' that is written but not read. Write 'Amordad' and read 'Mordad' to have the modern word while not corruptting the old good meaning. I don't have many calendars in hand here, but when I was in Iran I found many calendars that use 'Amordad' instead of 'Mordad'. I took a photo of the only Iranian calendar I have here for you too see an instance. Omid attachment: Amordad.jpg___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: Iranian Calendar
On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: So we've reached a consensus on using Iranian Calendar for the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right? So we forget about Jalali name, and call it Iranian Calendar, quite like Chinese, Japanese, and other countries. Iranian Calendar is okay IMHO, but I like the Persian Calendar better for the name of the calendar system, since it covers more countries. In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar, and in Afghanistan the Jalali subtype is used. I don't know about Tajikistan. Fortunately in .NET it is possible to define subtypes for a calendar system provided that they use the same algorithm but differ in day names, month names, date patterns and so on. Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: Iranian Calendar
Title: Message On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote: The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an official calendar and is calculated independent from other Hijri calendars used in other islamic countries. It is an important calendar, since it determines half of the holidays on our calendar. We also know that it has slightly different month lengths than other Hijri calendars. Are there any online or downloadable calendars or converters for the lunar Hijri system used in Iran? I'm only hearing about this different month lenghts business today... -ConnieI don't think there is any difference in month lenghts either. This Java applet base on the Calendarical Calculations book is the best online application I've seen for converting dates:http://emr.cs.iit.edu/home/reingold/calendar-book/second-edition/CIIT.html Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: Days of the Week abbreviated
[3.2.3] There is no abbreviated form for the weekday names in Persian. However, it is common to use the first letter of weekdays in the month calendars ^^ Common? How about, acceptable or something like that? Well, right. How about this phrase: [3.2.3] There is no abbreviated form for the weekday names in Persian. However, in certain cases such as in the month calendar headers it is acceptable to use the first letter of weekdays. The direction is also from right to left. It is now updated here: http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/draft/#3.2.3 ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: FW: IranL10nInfo - First Week of The Year
On Sat, 8 May 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: Ah, it's not Unicode that does that. It's the Common Locale Repoistory Project or something like that does that. Alright! I was just pointing to that method. Suitable for what? For specifying Iranian Persian requirements? No, Iranian Persian requirements are those you are bringing on a native document that has general uses. The Locale Data Markup Language (LDML) seems suitable for the extensible scheme since it can be transformed into different information systems. roozbeh Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: IranL10nInfo
On Sun, 9 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hi Omid, Hi, A couple of points: The Jalaali calendar, can you please tell me in which of the ECMA standards is it defined? None. I don't agree with that name for our current calendar. It is the name Microsoft has selected. I believe 'Persian calendar' or 'Iranian calendar' is more correct (and known) for the international name of Hejrie Shamsi. The same about the locale definitions. Which defenitions you mean exactly? Those fields that you see in the draft are properties of some globalization classes defined in the .NET Base Class Library (BCL), and we are defining their expected return values for Iran. And next: You are saying that the Mono and DotGNU projects are published under noncommercial shared-source licenses. I'm almost sure this is not the case. shared-source is the old Microsoft trick. Both of this two platforms (Mono and DotGNU) can be used for commercial purposes as well as non-commercial, both for free. You can read more about why a noncommercial-only license is not the best license at http://www.fsf.org/ Yes, they are open source, and each part of them is published under the terms of a GNU licence. You're right, you can create commercial applications for these platforms as well. Later, :) behdad Omid On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: Iran Localization Info for Microsoft .NET Hello every body, especially my friends at FarsiWeb, I'm trying to point out some things here (even though you might already know) about .NET and our project. For your information: The .NET Common Language Infrastructure (CLI) and the C# programming language were submitted to ECMA and ISO/IEC International standardization organizations a couple of years ago. The submissions were ratified as standards after thorough investigations as: Standard ECMA-334 (C#) http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm Standard ECMA-335 (CLI) http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm Standard ISO/IEC 23270 (C#) http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?CSNUMBER= 36 768 Standard ISO/IEC 23271 (CLI) http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?CSNUMBER= 36 769 This resulted in raising many new open source movements over .NET in the ICT community, amongst which there are three major projects by third parties that intend to implement versions of the .NET Framework conforming to the base implementations that Microsoft has done or is already underway. Those are: The Ximian's Mono Project sponsored by UNIX http://www.go-mono.com Free Software Foundation's Portable .NET http://www.dotgnu.org/pnet.html Corel's Rotor (Microsoft SSCLI) for FreeBSD http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/sscli All of these implementations are published under noncommercial shared-source licenses. This means we will have .NET applications running on a vast number of platforms quite soon, to name a handful: Linux, Windows, Solaris, FreeBSD, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. We have also a choice of more than 20 programming languages to choose from: APL, COBOL, Component Pascal, Eiffel, Fortran, Haskell, Jscript.NET, Mercury, Oberon, Pascal, Perl, Python, Smalltalk, Visual Basic.NET, C# , Managed C++, etc. To make applications more interoperable between different platforms, all of the implementations of CLI consider implementing the fundamental namespaces in the .NET Framework Class Library that reflect closely to what Microsoft releases. These don't include namespaces such as Microsoft.*, yet include those that are referred to as pure .NET namespaces which System.Globalization namespace is one of them. The System.Globalization is also available in .NET Compact Framework - a lighter version of the framework that installs on handheld devices. In the Iran Localization Info for Microsoft .NET project (IranL10nInfo for short) we have selected to work only on those parts of .NET that are in the System.Globalization namespace (pure .NET). Any changes that Microsoft mekes on them are indirectly ported to every non-Microsoft implementations of the Class Library. Moreover, this project will automatically produce a good layout of information fields that we can simply use for other languages like Tajik and Afghan. So, we are trying to resolve some locale issues far beyond Microsoft - a big name. All the best, Omid __ Iran Localization Info for Microsoft .NET http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/draft/ Other Open Source developments over ECMA CLI: Intel Lab's OCL (Open CLI Library) http://sourceforge.net/projects/ocl/ Platform.NET http://sourceforge.net/projects/platformdotnet/ Articles: Linux World - Bringing the CLI
RE: Days of the Week abbreviated
On Sun, 9 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: I'm not sure how month calendar makes sense in English. What about writing in tabular representations? I checked it up. month calendar is a term used for the calendars with a month view. I found this in use even more than monthly calendar. About tabular representations, it is better but in general terms. ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: IranL10nInfo
I totally agree with you that the name Jalali keeps away all that confusion and debate around Farsi/Persian/Iranian and also Shamsi/Khorshidi. But as far as I'm advised, the Jalali Calendar refers to an era other than the Hejrie Shamsi which is in use today, and the calculations are not exactly the same. This is what some people have told me, I don't know about the details though. Can anybody clarify please? Jalali Calendar is such a cute name, not? Yeah, and funny is the message a guy has commented on MSDN Longhorn annotations for the Jalaali calendar: Thank you This Calender Is A Good Thank You Mr Jalali Thank Bill Doh!! Omid On Sun, 9 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Humm, good point. I was worried about Jalaali being used instead of Jalali. But now that you mention it, I almost agree that one of Persian or Iranian calendar may suit better. Well, we have the Gregorian and Julian calendar suggesting Jalali, and we have Chinese and Japanese suggesting Iranian, and we have Islamic and Hebrew calendars suggesting Persian! Guys, can we decide on one once now? Humm, after finishing the sentence, I go back to vote for Jalali! As it avoid binding yet another meaning to the Persian/Iranian word, and we don't have to go on tell everybody that this Farsi Calendar is the same as the Persian Calendar or Iranian Calendar, which in turn used to be known as Jalali Calendar or Jalaali Calendar by MS... Poof, Jalali Calendar is such a cute name, not? Oh, the main point, now that Jalaali is not in any standard yet, perhaps you can request a name change from Jalaali to Jalali. Of course it's just my personal suggestion. later, --behdad behdad.org ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: FW: IranL10nInfo - First Week of The Year
On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 11:00 AM, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: I'll personally go for FirstFourDayWeek. (This is not a FarsiWeb recommendation and is not even based on any specific reason. It's just personal preference.) I'm with FirstFourDayWeek too, because it marks the week [as the first week of the year] when its bigger half goes after Norooz, and this makes sense: A week belongs to the year in which it has more days happening. Moreover, I dont think this distorts any business payment regulations in Iran since there is always at least one week of holidays for the New Year. BTW, this looks like a good resource: http://www.unicode.org/cldr/comparison_charts.html Thank you for the link. I found out that Unicode introduces another similar way. It simply gives a value between 1 and 7 to a property of Minimal Days in First Week that is so intuitive. The following table compares the different methods used to define the first week of year. Assuming that the first day of week is Saturday (for POSIX). UNICODE .NETPOSIX Minimal Days in First Week CalendarWeekRuleFirst Week Mark -- --- 1 FirstDay Friday 2 - Thursday 3 - Wednesday 4 FirstFourDayWeek Tuesday 5 - Monday 6 - Sunday 7 FullDayWeek Saturday Values in each row are equivalent. The Unicode and .NET approaches are relative to the designated First Day of Week in the calendar. Unicode allows for all the possible values while .NET ignores those that are less practical. (This also proves that there is a serious requirement for creating an standard for an Iranian Persian locale.) I double. BTW, this XML scheme that Unicode suggests seems so suitable: Locale Data Markup Language (LDML) http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/ roozbeh Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
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Title: Message FYI: http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/forum/?messageid=29#msg Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: IranL10nInfo
I was amazed when I got my Ukranian friend read www.ozodi.org texts. He was actually reading Persian!!! Omid --- Jon D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if you're already aware of this, but www.ozodi.org run by Radio Free Europe distributes these Tajik fonts: http://students.cs.byu.edu/~jonsafar/fonts/xtajmcyr.ttf http://students.cs.byu.edu/~jonsafar/fonts/xtajtcyr.ttf -Jon D. --- C Bobroff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Please send me your Tajik keyboard and we can discuss it further off the list. I don't think Arial Unicode MS will do but TITUS may work. I'll have to check. My particular project was for the web so even if we do find a font, it will boil down to the eternal question of whether to embed, use graphics or force the user to download the font (or some combination thereof.) -Connie On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Linguasoft wrote: Arial Unicode MS should do, plus (probably) Code2000 by James Kass or (possibly) Bitstream TITUS Unicode -- I've to check the latter ones. I am quite certain that there are a couple of Russian-made (not hacked) fonts around, too. Peter -Original Message- From: C Bobroff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:16 PM To: Linguasoft Cc: 'Roozbeh Pournader'; 'PersianComputing' Subject: RE: IranL10nInfo On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Linguasoft wrote: It's very easy to type Tajik using a Phonetic (i.e., mnemonic) Cyrillic keyboard. With which font though? I could only find hacked fonts. -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: FW: IranL10nInfo - First Week of The Year
Im going to find the regulation that is used in Iran to determine the first week of the year. There is no regulation or practice for that, as far as I know. I'd love to be proved incorrect. (Well, actually the first week of the year doesn't start until Farvardin 14 here in Iran!) Yes, I have come to the same conclusion. Anyways, we are to select one of the rules as the default rule for Iran. FirstDay, FirstFourDayWeek, or FirstFullWeek. Using the Culture Browser tool we have provided, you can compare this value for different locales that are already defined in .NET 1.1: http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/culturebrowser/datetimeformatview.aspx For example CalendarWeekRule for Arabic (U.A.E) is FirstDay Azeri (Cyrillic)is FirstDay Danish (Denmark)is FirstFourDayWeek English (Canada)is FirstDay Farsi (Iran)is FirstDay French (France) is FirstDay German (Germany)is FirstFourDayWeek Urdu (Pakistan) is FirstFullWeek To decide on the first week of the year weve got three rules (don't tire out yourself with these, just read on): [...] Are those the only ones .NET allows? The POSIX standards allow four more. Well, the pro here is that the .NET first week rules adjust themselves with the calendar so to cover every type of calendar they do not need to be so much. The general idea is identifying a certain day of the week that its occurence marks a first week of the year. Considering Saturday as the first day of the week, your FirstDay is equivalent to POSIX's Friday, your FirstFourDayWeek is equivalent to Tuesday, and your FirstFullWeek is equivalent to Saturday. Good point, thank you. roozbeh Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Days of the Week abbreviated
Iran Localization Info for Microsoft .NET After Behdad's justifications and concluding the survey about this discussion, I changed the section [3.2.3] of the draft as follows: [3.2.3] There is no abbreviated form for the weekday names in Persian. However, it is common to use the first letter of weekdays in the month calendars as shown below. Changes are online: http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/draft/#3.2.3 Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
FW: Re: Days of the Week abbreviated
Iran Localization Info for Microsoft .NET After Behdad's justifications and concluding the survey about this discussion, I changed the section [3.2.3] of the draft as follows: [3.2.3] There is no abbreviated form for the weekday names in Persian. However, it is common to use the first letter of weekdays in the month calendars as shown below. Changes are online: http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/draft/#3.2.3 Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
FW: IranL10nInfo - First Week of The Year
Hi, Im going to find the regulation that is used in Iran to determine the first week of the year. To decide on the first week of the year weve got three rules (don't tire out yourself with these, just read on): 1. FirstDay Indicates that the first week of the year starts on the first day of the year and ends before the following designated first day of the week. 2. FirstFourDayWeek Indicates that the first week of the year is the first week with four or more days before the designated first day of the week. 3. FirstFullWeek Indicates that the first week of the year begins on the first occurrence of the designated first day of the week on or after the first day of the year. Assuming that we are applying the above rules on the Persian (Hejri Shamsi/Jalaali/Khorshidi) calendar, well have: First day of the year is 1st of Farvardin First day of the week is Saturday I simplify the rules for the Persian calendar: 1. FirstDay Indicates that the first week of the year starts on the 1st of Farvardin and ends before the following Saturday. 2. FirstFourDayWeek Indicates that the first week of the year is the first week with four or more days before Saturday. 3. FirstFullWeek Indicates that the first week of the year begins on the first occurrence of Saturday on or after the 1st of Farvardin. The rules are earier to understand when bringing them on a chart. This shows how each of the rules specifies the first week of the year when the first day of the year is fallen on each of the days of the week! 1st of FarvardinFirstDay FirstFourDayWeek FirstFullWeek Sat 1 1 1 Sun 1 1 2 Mon 1 1 2 Tue 1 1 2 Wed 1 2 2 Thu 1 2 2 Fri 1 2 2 In the above table, 1 indicates that the first week of the year is the same as the week in which the first day of the year (1st of Farvardin) exists. If the first week of the year is shifted to the next week, then it is indicated by the number 2. Now, find the Orange Seller!!!?? :P Which rule is used to determine the first week of year in Iran? (Or which one is more used?) tnx, Omid ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
IranL10nInfo
Iran Localization Info for Microsoft .NET Hello everybody, I would like to inform you about the new project we have recently run at iDevCenter.com. We are preparing a draft of the correct information about the Persian language and Iran that shall be used in the Microsoft .NET and Windows platforms, intending to propose to the International Developments section of Microsoft Corporation afterwards. We are eagerly looking forward for your contribution and support to this mission. Please check out the latest draft here: http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/draft/ Homepage in persian: http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/ Sincerely, Omid K. Rad ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: Using Hijri Shamsi date in Outlook 2002
Dear Behdad, ...in your references, I couldn't find any reference for this bold claim. Click on System.Globalization.JalaaliCalendar in the article, it links to this page on MSDN: http://longhorn.msdn.microsoft.com/?//longhorn.msdn.microsoft.com/lhsdk/ ref/ns/System.Globalization/c/JalaaliCalendar/JalaaliCalendar.aspx ...I see you have named the first section of your site FarsiWeb ...I definitely appreciate if you clarify your intention on using the same name in your site The website www.IranASP.NET is not MY site. I suggest you study the links well before you ask me for clarifications. Truly, Omid K. Rad -Original Message- From: Behdad Esfahbod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 27, 2004 6:04 PM To: Omid K. Rad Cc: 'PersianComputing' Subject: Re: Using Hijri Shamsi date in Outlook 2002 Dear Mr Omid K. Rad, I read your article at: http://www.iranasp.net/whatever/jalaalicalendar.aspx where you claim that JalaaliCalendar is going to be added to LongHorn and .NET 1.2. But in your references, I couldn't find any reference for this bold claim. I would appreciate if you clarify. Second and more important, I see you have named the first section of your site FarsiWeb, which contains articles about Persian in Web: http://www.iranasp.net/Articles/Category.aspx?catid=1 As you definitely know, the FarsiWeb Project has been active and online at http://www.farsiweb.info/ for a few years now. I definitely appreciate if you clarify your intention on using the same name in your site, as it definitely will be misleading for a few people. Moreover, I personally appreciate that if you change the name. Sincerely, Behdad Esfahbod FarsiWeb Project http://farsiweb.info/ On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote: Hi, Currently it is not supported internally by Windows. Anyways, in the next release of Windows you can do that, hopefully. Follow the link: http://www.iranasp.net/whatever/jalaalicalendar.aspx Omid K. Rad ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
