[pinhole-discussion] Merry Christmas
A Merry Christmas to Pinholers everywhere, and their patient families, too. May the joy of the season extend throughout the New Year. Tom Miller
RE: [pinhole-discussion] rational
Hi Trent and All, A number images in the 2003 WPPD exhibit were made with digital cameras. Beautiful work. Here is the URL: http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2003/ Type digital in the Search box and click go. Tom -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Trent Dowler Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:11 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] rational Don, Thanks for the confirmation of great digital pinhole pics. Having not tried it yet (still saving for my upper end digital), I'm glad to hear that a pinhole will work on the 10D. I wasn't sure what to expect. Later, Trent D. Hill wrote: I use both zoneplate and pinhole bodycaps with my 10d - fab images. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] PS4
Hi Jean, Thanks for offering to coordinate another formal swap. You did an excellent job in coordinating the formal swap that I took part in a couple of years ago. It is good that you mentioned the distinction between the formal and the holiday swaps. Some things I noticed that were different about them are: 1) the the number participants; 2) the size and quality of images; 3) level of reciprocity. I think these are inter-related. The rules for the holiday swap were that any number of people could sign up for the swap, but each individual would send cards to only as many folks at they felt they could. If I remember correctly, there were 49 folks signed up for the holiday swap last year. I know that all 49 folks didn't send out 49 images. This is OK, since it was part of the ground rules, but should be kept in mind. On the other hand, so many people signed up for the formal swaps that they were broken into two or three groups based on subject. I remember about 15 - 18 people in each group? Some folks participated in more than one. Each person committed to send a photo to ALL other participants. Jean, I know this caused you a lot of work because some folks fell way behind the deadline and needed extra reminding. However, everyone in the group I was in (the self-portrait group) did participate in the end. This was truly remarkable and joyful. I've also noticed that generally smaller images were sent in the holiday swap, Christmas card size or smaller (5x7; 4x6 and down) and many were postcards that suffered from postal handling in the winter. The formal swap images were generally larger, up to 8x10 and all were carefully packaged for mailing. I hope all this doesn't sound like sour grapes, but it is something to think about when joining the swap. Jean, please count me in on the formal swap. And, if there is a holiday swap, I'll be in that one, too! Tom Miller -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Jean Daubas Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 7:14 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole swaps + announcement for opening a new Pinhole Swap Hi all ! 1) It seems from the previous messages about pinhole swaps that all people are ot speaking about the same thing : several are making allusion about the 2002 and 2003 new year pinhole swaps with an open list of participants for which it is about the right time to set a new list. Other ones are writing about the more formal pinhole swap groups in which several of us participated in the years 1999 to 2002. it's important for everybody to make the distinction since the rules and the organization of these two kinds of exchange are not the same. 2) announcement for a new formal Pinhole swap Our last Pinhole Swap group (for which I was coordinator and which I had named S2PP) was scheduled for spring 2002. Unfortunately, for various reasons (some personal + open Christmas Swap + tasks for the WPPD) this swap did not occur. Naturally, the desire still exists for me and probably for some of you. It' s why I am happy to let you know that I am again ready to coordinate the organization of a new Pinhole Swap Group, of the same kind as those which were fabulous experiences these last years. It will be called PS4: Pinhole Print Spring Swap 2004. For those of you who should be interested in participating, please reply on this list using PS4 in the Subject line of your post. Then, we shall discuss the rules of this new swap. Cheers from France! Jean ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Different cameras
Hi Heidi, Here is a link to photos of Ralph Howell's pinhole images. The photos were taken with the camera in front of a mirror, so the camera is part of the images. What a fun and imaginative exhibit this is! www.accd.edu/sac/vat/EXHIBITS/howell_ralph_exhibit/index.htm Tom -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of CRABBE Heidi S Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:16 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Different cameras Hello, I'm doing a talk about pinhole and I would like to show them how any packaging/containers can be a camera - does anyone know of a website with pinhole cameras made from different objects? And anyone who makes their own wooden ones? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Heidi -Original Message- From: Richard Heather [mailto:rheat...@slonet.org] Sent: 08 August 2003 00:10 To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Giant almost pinhole camera. See this story about a mail truck converted to camera obscura/ darkroom. Simple lens, almost pinhole.. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,59929,00.html Richard Heather ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ The information in this email is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, except for the purpose of delivery to the addressee, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Kindly notify the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your computer. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ attachment: winmail.dat
[pinhole-discussion] WPPD 2003
Dear All, Thanks to all of you who participated in Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day 2003, more thanks than can fit in an email, thanks for sure. The variety, beauty and creativity of the exhibit is stunning to me. (Have I said that before on this list?) The other good things I said still stand, too. Wow: 1082 invidivuals and images. Now we have eleven months to enjoy the results of all the enthusiasm across the globe last April 27. It won't be long until April 25, 2004. And news from our tiny commerce division: The pinhole day team has decided to stop selling pinhole day t-shirts and other wares on June 15. The cost of these items is a little pricey and WPPD gets very little of it - $1.00 per item sold. Thanks to the 30 or so people who bought pinhole day souvenirs and items this year - that helps a lot to pay the costs of the web site. So, if anyone wants to buy anything from WPPD3, you will need to do so by June 15. Tom Miller and the rest of the WPPD coordinators: Zernike Au Jean Daubas Bill Erickson (in memoriam) Guy Glorieux Gregg Kemp Edward Levinson Guillermo Peñate Rosanne Stutts
RE: [pinhole-discussion] re: Pinhole Camera Instructions... f/stops and needles
Hi Stpehen, Try a Michael's Craft store if there is one in your area. They are a big chain; but I don't know if they are nationwide. Tom Miller stephen wrote: where can i get a #10 (0.46 mm/0.018 in) needle? thanks!
[pinhole-discussion] WPPD Deadline Approaching
Dear Fellow Pinholers, The deadline for submitting your pinhole image, taken April 27, to the Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day exhibit is May 31, Midnight GMT. Pretty soon. If you've posted an image there, thank you so much for participating and helping to create an astoundingly beautiful and diverse exhibit. And, if you didn't make an image that day... Check out the exhibit at www.pinholeday.org. It is a true delight. Tom Miller
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Leonardo camera and taping film to back
Hi Shannon, This is something I haven't tried before exactly, but my guess would be that it could cause stray light anomalies. One possibility: I have a number of flat-back cameras where I use a piece of black mat board with photo corners on it to hold sheet film in place. This hasn't caused any stray light problems. It is surprising how well the small, clear photo corners hold even 4x5 film in place. They do block a small amount of light in the corners, though, which is noticable on a full frame print. But this still might be a solution for you, too. If the mat board were cut the same size as the dust cover, the cams on the Leonardo might hold both the mat board and dust cover in place keeping the camera light tight. Alternatively, you could paint one side of the dust cover flat black before taping the film onto it. Tom -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Shannon Stoney Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:31 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Leonardo camera and taping film to back Hi, I am shooting 4x5 film in one of those Leonardo cameras that was made for 8x10 film. Therefore I am not using a film holder, but rather simply taping the film to the center of the wooden back that you usually remove in order to insert the film holder. Is there any problem with this method? The back is not flat black, but appears to be stained chip board. It's dark brown with little flecks in it. Will this cause any sort of weird reflection onto the film? --shannon ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] This is a Test
Dear All, This is a test. But, if you do see this message, THANK YOU for supporting and participating in Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day!! Tom Miller
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Image not filling out paper
Hi Shelly, Here is another way to look at it. This is a chart, in inches, that I created in Excel to help me decide which size of tube or cyninder cameras, like an oatmeal box, to use in various circumstances. Diameter is how wide the box is across. This is the focal length. Circumference is how big the circle around the outside of the box is, which tells you how big a piece of paper will fit inside (if you were to wrap it 360 degrees). 1/2 circumference is 180 degrees, or half of the circle. 1/2 circle is will give a full image without too much light falloff. It is also where light banding can start, but that is a completely different topic. The more the negative goes beyond the 1/2 circumference measure, the more likely you will get extreme or complete fall-off, especially in the corners of the image, since they are farthest from the center of the light cone that Ed mentioned. How big was the oatmeal box? My guess is somewhere between 3.5 and 5.5 inches. A 10-inch-wide piece of paper would fit in any of these tubes; but the smaller the focal length, the greater the likehood of vignetting. Diameter Circumference 1/2 Circ 2.00_ 6.28_ 3.14 2.50_ 7.85_ 3.93 3.00_ 9.42_ 4.71 3.50_11.00_ 5.50 4.00_12.57_ 6.28 4.50_14.14_ 7.07 5.00_15.71_ 7.85 5.50_17.28_ 8.64 6.00_18.85_ 9.42 6.50_20.42_10.21 7.00_21.99_11.00 7.50_23.56_11.78 8.00_25.13_12.57 Tom Miller -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Ed Kirkpatrick Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:06 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Image not filling out paper Shelley, The dark areas are caused because that part of your paper lies outside the image cone as it projects through the pinhole into your camera. The diameter of the image circle expands outward from the pinhole at about 3.5 diameter per inch of focal length so if you can imagine the cone formed in your camera you will see why this effect occurs. Ed Kirkpatrick Ed Kirkpatrick Photography www.edkirkpatrick.com -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???] On Behalf Of Rauch, Shelley Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:29 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Image not filling out paper Okay... another newbie question. One of the cameras that I am using is an oversized oatmeal can. I'm using 8X10 paper, which fits perfectly when placed horizontally. The image isn't taking up the entire area, and I'm wondering what exactly causes this, and what I can do to get it closer to the edges. Here is an example of what I'm talking about: http://www.pbase.com/image/15725356 Shelley C. Rauch Acquisitions Dept. (757)890-5116 Tabb-York County Public Library 100 Long Green Blvd. Yorktown, VA 23693-4138 ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] teacher needs resources
Hi Don, I noticed that Shelly pointed out Nick Dvoracek's site. His book on pinhole for elementary students is excellent. It has a section on the science aspect of pinhole. Another set of resources is on the Pinhole Day website: http://www.pinholeday.org/support/ and http://www.pinholeday.org/support/ws_resources.php This is probably the most concise yet thorough sets of pinhole information on the web. Eric Nelson's article and Stewart Woodruff's site are geared toward young folks. It also contains a link to the Pinhole Visions Teacher's Forum, where you can discuss pinhole with other educators. If the timing is right for your class, please consider participating in Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day on April 27. One of the features of the exhibit is its ability create a virtual exhibit of a class's images. If you (or any teacher) would like more details on how this works, please send an email to supp...@pinholeday.org. Tom Miller -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Lobo Lohr Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:45 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] teacher needs resources Hello! I'm an eighth grade science teacher. My classes are looking at pinhole cameras as a weeks classroom activities, and I'm in need of teacher resources to make this worthwhile. Any help in this vein will be greatly appreciated! Don Lohr ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] The World is Round, like a Pinhole
Dear All, Here we are ten days away from Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day. So much to do in so little time! which camera to use... paper or film... where will I shoot images (is this an oxymoron for a pinholer?)... is there a workshop or pinhole group gathering near me... is there still time to organize an outing (of course)... what if its cloudy... raining... snowing (like last year)... where's my extra Leica body cap and a drill... can I eat enough oatmeal in time to make a camera... what if they think its a bomb... what is Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day anyway... Probably most participants on this list know about Pinhole Day and are eagerly anticipating its arrrival, whatever the weather. But if you don't know, take a look at www.pinholeday.org. If you're an old hand at pinholing or new to the entire concept, please join a lot of wonderful, creative folks who will share their locale, experience, enthusiasm and vision with the entire globe on April 27. Tom Miller (for the) WPPD Coordinating Team attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [pinhole-discussion] RE: WWPD III
Hi Michele, Absolutely!! Worldwide Pinhole Photography day images can be made by pinhole or any of its lensless, tiny aperture siblings, including images made with zone plates, slits and Guillermo's new pinhole sieves. Tom Miller -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of photod...@cs.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] RE: WWPD III Hi! Would zone plate images be acceptable for WWPD III? Thanks! Michele
RE: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD image 'hit counts'?
Hi Andrew, Thanks for making this suggestion for the WPPD site. It has not been brought up before. I've posted your message to the Pinhole Visions Forum on Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day topics. It is at: http://www.???/forum/. The forum is a great place to discuss suggestions, plans and anything related to the Big Tiny Aperture event on April 27. I'll post my thoughts there, too. I'm not a web programmer, but I think generally the counters are attached to what, for lack of a better term, I'll call statically defined pages. I'm pretty sure (and our webmaster, Gregg Kemp, will correct me if I'm wrong) that the WPPD gallery pages are all dynamically generated. The thumbnail pages are generated based on the query criteria entered, like country, city, artist name, group, etc. I believe the individual image pages are also dymanically generated. This might make it difficult to attach a counter to an individual image. Probably more important is the egalitarian nature of the WPPD exhibit. It is a place where all are equal. I'd be concerned that any counters attached to an image might give an impression that the number of winners on the site is less than the total number of participants. I'm getting excited about April 27, too. My daughter (age 6) and I built identical tin cameras. We used refrigerator magnet stock for shutters. We decorated the shutters with colored markers so we could tell our cameras apart. Somehow she was able to fit the entire Wizard of Oz movie onto a 1.5 by 2 inch magnet! Tom Miller -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Andrew Amundsen Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:44 AM To: Pinhole Forum Subject: [pinhole-discussion] WWPD image 'hit counts'? For the organizers of the next WWPD #3 gallery I have a suggestion; (if not already made) to include a 'hit count' for each pinhole image page. Is this easily done and possible? It would be fun and great for the ego to see how many visiters each image in getting. I've started to get excited for April 27th, 2003! Sincerely, Andrew Amundsen Mpls./St.Paul, MN. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] 6x22 pinhole camera coverage?!
Guillermo wrote: The aperture is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is the ratio width of format to focal length (corner-corner distance to focal length if one wants to be exact). The ratio of that camera is 3.6 which in theory will have a 4.25 stops fall off at the sides with respect to the center, this kind of fall off is horrendous for glass photography, but for pinhole images, in practice, it doesn't look as big as one may think, IMO. As an example, this image http://members.rogers.com/gpenate/greek.jpg is a portion of a larger image made with a camera with ratio 3 width/focal length, that should give a fall off of 3.4 stops at the top and bottom of the image with respect to the center, and if you ask me, it doesn't look that big of a fall off. This put two questions in head. First, would a concave film plane reduce the fall off ratio? Optimally, the film plane could be curved in a way that makes the entire film plane equally distant from the pinhole. I looked at the 6x22 camera's photo on the silver-whatever web site and it looked like it could possibly have a curved film plane, although I couldn't tell if would be hemisperical like the Mottweiler Pinoramic. Second, what is the formula that you used to calculate the fall off? I'm curious because I've been doing a fair bit of extreme wide-angle stuff lately and it doesn't seem like the light falls off as much as one would think. It is a flat film plane camera with a 1:3.7 ratio. I've read a rule of thumb that at 30 degrees the fall of is one stop and that at 45 degrees it is two stops. It seems like there is a possibly handy formula in there. Thanks, Tom
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Willarney's BB Idea
How about using a needle in a blow gun? It would be low-tech, just like so much of the pinhole adventure. -- Tom -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Guillermo Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:25 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Willarney's BB Idea Hey!!, may be we can find some sponsor for this experiments: Home Depot for the nail gun version and the NRA for the other.
[pinhole-discussion] Bill Erickson
Dear Friends, This is painful information to relate: our fellow discussion list member, Bill Erickson, passed away last Saturday. Right now, I don't know much more than this. This is so sudden, shocking and sad. Bill was eagerly working away on pinhole endeavors last week. His funeral is this morning in St. Peter, Minnesota. Below is a notice from the Mankato Free Press, the major paper in Bill's part of Minnesota: _ Dr. William Erickson ST. PETER St. Peter resident Dr. William D. Erickson, 67, died Saturday, March 8, 2003, at Immanuel St. Joseph's Hospital in Mankato. Memorial services are 11 a.m. Wednesday at the Church of St. Peter. Visitation is 7 to 7:30 p.m. today at the church, with a 7:30 p.m. prayer service, and 10:30 a.m. Wednesday at the church. _ Bill actively pursued pinhole photography for many years and just as actively participated in this discussion list. He especially tried to make new members welcome. Locally, he taught several workshops and pinhole forums. Bill was also the Events Coorinator for Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day 2003. Bill will be missed and we certainly offer our sympathy and wishes to his wife and family. Sadly, Tom Miller
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Tin can hole punch
I've found that step drill bits work the best for drilling a hole in a tin. They don't tear the thin metal like a regular drill bit. I haven't tried a hole punch. - Original Message - From: Michael Heath heat...@hotmail.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Tin can hole punch I'm in the midst of making a camera out of a tea tin. Is there an easy way to punch a 1/2 inch hole in the tin where I can place the pinhole? Or do I have to break out the saw and cut an irregular shape? I was wondering if a heavy duty hole punch, or something similar, would do the trick. Mike
Re: [pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but !
The images are behind the numbers on the calendar at the top of the page. Tom - Original Message - From: andy schmitt aschm...@warwick.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but ! unfortunately the link : [panoscope360.com] goes to the test page for the apache server... andy
[pinhole-discussion] A Happy Year of Pinholin' to You
Dear All, It is midday here with the sun shining brightly over a cool ( -9 C) but snowless landscape. One year of pinholin' is drawing to a close and another dawning brightly on the time horizon. The 2002 Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day was a tremendous success, with 902 folks from 35 countries contributing to the celebration's exhibit www.pinholeday.org/gallery. Now we're less than four months from the next celebration on April 27, 2003. Some related events are already scheduled with many others in the works; the press release is being ironed out; the web site is being prepared for 2003; the gallery gift shop is open. In Alice in Wonderland, the March Hare and Mad Hatter celebrated un-birthdays every day of the year but one. We're lucky to have this discussion list as our ongoing un-PinholeDay celebration. And yet there is nothing like the main event on April 27. Please consider participating in the 2003 WPPD celebration by organizing or attending a workshop; a get-together with friends for a tiny aperture shoot on Pinhole Day; or create your own solo flight. Then watch the internet's premier exhibit of pinhole photography unfold through the end of May! From my heart and on behalf of the entire 2003 WPPD Coordinating Committee: A Happy New Year of Pinholin' to you and yours!! Tom Miller (USA - team leader) Gregg Kemp (USA) Zernike Au (Hong Kong) Ed Levinson (Japan) Rosanne Stutts (USA) Jean Daubas (France) Guillermo Penate (Canada) Guy Glorieux (Canada) Bill Erickson (USA) P.S. A special thanks to Gregg Kemp, who's expertise and dedication makes the discussion list and WPPD exhibit possible.
[pinhole-discussion] Michel Bayard There?
If Michel Bayard reads this... Could you email me off list as soon as possible? twmil...@attbi.com Thanks, Tom Miller
Re: [pinhole-discussion] digital pinhole?
Hi Robert, Look at: http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=370 There may be one or two other digital images in the gallery; but, this is the one that stuck in my mind. Tom - Original Message - From: Fox, Robert Subject: [pinhole-discussion] digital pinhole? Has anyone tried to convert a digital camera to pinhole? I'm guessing that the results would be poor since digital ccds do not handle long exposures well at all, resulting in a lot of digital noise and artifacts. But who knows, it might look interesting.. I would enjoy tearing open a few of those consumer digital cameras though and installing a pinhole! Surely someone out there has already done this??
Re: [pinhole-discussion] wondering
Jean, here are three quick thoughts... 1) When your email arrived, I was working in Photoshop, which is nearly a foreign language to me. I have difficulty getting a scanned print to look as good the original. The problem is compounded when trying to get a scanned negative to look good. Maybe a little sharpening would help. Actually, the difficulty I encounter most often is color correction. Maybe a little something extra is needed to make an image look good on a computer screen or to make up for what gets lost in the scan. 2) Some of the image characteristics of pinhole can't be easily matched by lens photography. The one that would stand out in a pinhole-sharp image is the so-called inifinite depth of field. The juxtaposition of near and far is remarkable and is easily and inexpensively obtained. 3) On the occasions when I give talks on pinhole, I mention that it is sufficient. It is sufficient in that it is as capable of expressing the full range of human experience as any great artistic medium. It is a big universe. Pinhole is also sufficient in that a person could spend a lifetime exploring its innumerable variations, subtleties and blatancies without exhausting either its or his or her creative potential. We ARE onto magic here. And the large universe provides plenty of room for scientific and empirical approaches, for sharp and fuzzy imagery and lots of fun along the way. Tom - Original Message - From: Jean Hanson jhan...@pon.net To: pinhole-discussion-request@p at ??? pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] wondering About the message two days ago; a member took a pinhole image, sharpened it in Adobe or a digital method, and printed it out. I wonder why we don't just take traditional lens photographs and smear them a little and print them out to look like pinhole work. What is it that we are doing? I love pinhole photography and am retired from traditional photo studio work. So my sister asked me recently, why are you and your friends intent on taking bad pictures? I have always felt we had a kind of philosophy...we were trying to see the world, or time, or light another way. And I am not down on digitalbut it is hard to explain to non- participants that we really are doing something, and something important. If we sharpen the images to look like better conventional photos, is something being lost? The mystery? The understanding of an almost occult medium? An atempt to see what light is really doing as it hits and wraps around an object? What can I tell my sister? Jean ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Camera from Joaquin Casado and prompt box
Hi Margaret, Thank you for bringing this problem to our attention. I forwarded this email to the site's developer and he just mentioned that he problem is fixed now. I just tried accessing the Pinhole Day gallery, both the thumbnails and full images, using IE 6 and Mozilla 1.2.1 and had no problems. The website is starting to undergo some modifications to accomodate the Third Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day, which will happen on April 27, 2003. Bumps like this might happen again. Thanks, Tom Miller WPPD 2003 Coordinator - Original Message - From: Margaret Graham mm...@drexel.edu To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Camera from Joaquin Casado and prompt box George, Given your concern for usability, I know you will want to know about the problem I'm experiencing on your site at http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/. In attempting to view the April 28, 2002 images, I receive the following message: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare maketextimage() in /usr/www/users/pinhole/WPD/includes/setup.php on line 322 (Windows 2000, IE 5, NS 4.7 and Opera 6.01). Haven't yet tried NS6. Clues? The 2001 images are wonderful although it's a lot to click through. Margaret Graham
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions
Hi Andrew, Thank you for the kind comments. There will be more forums (or fora, for purists). To tell the truth, I'm looking forward to seeing the answer to your questions on which paper to use. I still have a box or two of Ilford Multigrade III RC matt, which was single-weight with no markings on the back. Ilford discontinued making matt RC when they brought out Multigrade IV. A loss for pinholers. RC paper has the advantage of not curling. Also, I've read that the fiber texture in the paper can affect the print. Tom - Original Message - From: Andrew Amundsen a...@tcinternet.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Paper negative questions Hi everyone, I am freshly inspired after this weekends pinhole forum, hosted by Tom Miller and Bill Erikson, at the pARTs gallery in Minneapolis. Very nice job, hope to see more like it. I'm interested in trying paper negative work with pinhole. So I have a couple quick questions for those with paper negative experience: 1) What brand of single weight photo paper has NO labeling on it's back? 2) Does the Kodak name, from the back, show through on the final print when you print with that brand? or is it faint enough not to? 3) Which is best to use RC or fiber? 4) Any good starting exposures for brands of paper you might be familiar with? Well that will give me a good start, thanks for any help you can pass on! Sincerly, Andrew Amundsen ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Question about Pinhole Factory
They are NOT the same. The original, genuine articles are the Zero Image cameras at www.zeroimage.com. Tom - Original Message - From: Fox, Robert r...@aarp.org To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Question about Pinhole Factory Is anyone familiar with the Pinhole Factory is England? See http://www.pinholesolutions.co.uk/pinhole_factory.html The Silver Gem and Silver Jewel pinhole cameras look like copies of the Zero 2000 and Zero 2000 multi-format camera. Are they in fact one in the same? Thanks, R.J. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Forum
Dear All, Bill Erickson and I will be co-hosting a pinhole forum at the Minnesota Center for Photography (formerly the pARTs Gallery) this Sunday, November 3 at 1:00 PM. More information is at: http://www.???/events/index.php?event=400 http://www.partsphoto.org/frames_ed.html Many thanks, Tom
[pinhole-discussion] Authentic Space?
Dear All, The recent discussion on authentic space may be apropos of the image I've just uploaded to the discussion list gallery. http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2002.php ?pic=tmiller_wellstonehq.jpg It is an image made this past Monday at the impromptu memorial outside the late Senator Paul Wellstone's campaign headquarters in St. Paul, Minnesota. Much of the discussion defining authentic space seemed to include patina as an essential ingredient. This image is of a space three days old. It will return to brick building, sidewalk and chain link fence soon, certainly by the next rain or snow. Judging by what I experienced there, the space was genuine, yet spontaneous, transitory and connected to the past only through the accumulated experiences of those participating. Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 1: Is This Nuts? 2: A Plug
Hi Randy, Thanks for passing this information along. Now I wonder why my local camera professional camera stores told me that Reala 120 in unavailable in the U.S. Tom - Original Message - From: Randy holgamods rj...@hotmail.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] 1: Is This Nuts? 2: A Plug A quick search turned up a few places selling Fuji Reala 100 in the states: http://www.snapshotproline.com/ http://www.hellocamera.com/fuj120220pri.html http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1390812371 Randy www.holgamods.com www.pinholga.com/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] maybe of topic, but...
I'll whole-heartedly endorse Bill's comments and also mention that it is much trickier for large format than 35mm. I haven't tried to process 120 color film. And won't. Bill Erickson wrote: My experience was that it was very sensitive to small temperature changes. Processing around 100 degrees makes it harder to keep the temperature stable. It's a heck of a lot easier and just as cheap to have your local one hour do it for you. There's nothing creative about it and it's easy to spoil. - Original Message - From: Gustavo glpo...@hehe.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] maybe of topic, but... I´m thinking about processing c-41 at home, but before i start, i need some info about the process. Could you gimme any help/link ?
Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole origins
Hi Neil, Probably start with Eric Renner and Nancy Spencer's Pinhole Resource www.pinholeresource.com. What you're looking for is why the Resource is there. Eric's book, Pinhole Photography, Rediscovering a Historic Technique, gives an artistic, practical and historical overview of pinhole imagery. The Pinhole Resource used to sell two bibliographies of articles and publications on pinhole photography, one from the 5th Century BC to 1850 AD and the second from 1850 ot the present. Tom - Original Message - From: neil gourley Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole origins Could anyone help me by telling me how to research the pinhole camera and when it began or where to begin to look into its origin as i have a project that has to deal with its history.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Strange Problem and I need some help.
- Original Message - From: ROBERTSON,TRAVIS J is-...@womans.com Chances are that the light you are seeing is caused by a reflection from the surface of your film or paper. Did you paint the inside of the camera black? That will help, though it may not eliminate the problem. I did paint the inside of the camera black. I did not consider that light could reflect from the paper, (Duh :P )and I guess there is an advantage of having a flat surface for your film. Don't give up on the curved film plane! Use a matt surface paper. It won't reflect light onto itself. The images will be spectacular. I also might be getting a reflection from my pinhole because I did not want to pant it black, because they say it will mess up your hole, so this could be a problem. To tried to get around this problem by using electrical tape to cover as much of the metal I could. I bet that light could reflect off of the tape. I hope that this helps other people in some way. 3M's photographer's tape works well, too, but is a little more pricey than other alternatives. Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Meet at H.H. Bennett Museum?
Hi Gordy, Many thanks for the great news. I received an announcement via snail mail about the Indial Doll exhibit and hope to get a chance to see it soon. It is good to know that the new leadership at the museum is in place. I'll send you an email off list to get a discussion going about a pinhole event at the Bennett museum next year. Tom Miller - Original Message - From: Gordy Emery geme...@hotmail.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Meet at H.H. Bennett Museum? Tom: The Indian Doll display is now open to the public. I think now would be a good time for us to start the plans for a 2003 meet at the museum. I will need information to give to our new CEO of the H.H. Bennett Museum; The H.H. Bennett Museum Foundation; and the Wisconsin Historical Society. Gordy Emery geme...@hotmail.com
[pinhole-discussion] Slightly Off Topic
Dear All, This is at least photographic! Does anyone have experience scanning glass plate negatives? Can it even be done? A friend asked me to make contact prints from some glass negs he bought at an estate sale. Since my darkroom hasn't been reassembled after the big move, I thought scanning might work (haven't tried it yet, though). I have an Epson scanner with a transparency adapter (the extra light source on top). Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs
It might be best to enter the exhibit the normal way: http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/. Click on the the date (April 28, 2002). The exhibit opens in a separate window. In the gallery, you can select the image number to go to, #633 in this case. You can scroll forward from there to see the Sausalito pics. Tom - Original Message - From: Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs Hey there.. I received the following message when I tried to go there: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, pinh...@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Maybe I tried tooo quickly.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of aaron Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #702 - 4 msgs hi all. some pictures are going up from a WWPD2 event at the Headlands Center in Sausalito, CA. they start at number 633. http://www.pinholeday.org/gallery/2002/index.php?id=633 the pictures were taken with cameras made from 35mm film cannisters. they were given out to visitors at one of the galleries there. /aaron ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] RE: [Followup] airline screening and film
- Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] RE: [Followup] airline screening and film Building a camera onsite is not an option for me, and FEDEXING my film back and forth will be difficult since I don't know anyone there. You can send it to yourself. Fed Ex hold the package for you at their destination office. Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Altoids Tins as cameras?
Hi Mike and All, A late reply, but... Here is the website that came to my mind when I read the question below: http://www.merrillphoto.com/PintoidAdventure.htm Viewing these images got me out of the Altoid sceptic tank. Tom - Original Message - From: mbeacom mbea...@mac.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Altoids Tins as cameras? Hi- About 18 months ago, there was a thread about using Altoids Tins as camera bodies. Any reports on how well it works? Cheers Mike -- Gravity is a harsh mistress The Tick- 1996 Mike Beacom ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Thank You List Member
Someone on the list suggested using step drill bits for drilling holes in tin cans. Whoever you are, thank you! I bought one and used it to make nine cookie tin cameras for a workshop, plus two big tin can cameras for myself. It worked like a champ. Based on past experiences, I was dreading making the holes in the cans, since normal drill bits can tear up the metal pretty good, especially in big tins. Tom Miller It might have been me. I'm getting ready to drill some cans for a WPPD workshop this weekend. And did I ever get a great deal on some Krylon Ultra Flat Black paint. Michaels Art Supply had it on sale for $1.25 a can. Dick Koolish Thank you, Dick. Michaels is also the only place I've ever found numbered needles. Tom
[pinhole-discussion] Thank You List Member
Hi, Someone on the list suggested using step drill bits for drilling holes in tin cans. Whoever you are, thank you! I bought one and used it to make nine cookie tin cameras for a workshop, plus two big tin can cameras for myself. It worked like a champ. Based on past experiences, I was dreading making the holes in the cans, since normal drill bits can tear up the metal pretty good, especially in big tins. Tom Miller
Re: [pinhole-discussion] hello !! and Workshops
Hi Laurence, Welcome to the discussion group! And a delightful Pinhole Day to you (in advance of the big day). Check the Related Events listing at http://www.pinholeday.org/participate/events.php. Click on the dropdown where it says ALL countries and select United Kingdom from the list. Click the GO button and you'll find what's happening nearby. It looks like there are future workshops in Bristol, Lincoln and Worcester, all by well known pinholer photographers. There is also a pinhole portrait event taking place in Bury St. Edmunds. Hopefully one of these events is near you. Keep checking, too. New events will be added to the list as soon as we are aware of them. For others on the list: this geographic search capability can help you find a workshop in your country, state or city. And this bears repeating: the WPPD 2002 online exhibit will offer a similar search capability to create a virtual exhibit of images made in a certain geographic area or by Group. Groups are workshops listed on the WPPD Related Events page as well as classes whose teachers have requested to be included in the group selection. When submitting your WPPD image, click on your group in the dropdown list to be part of your workshop or class's virtual exhibit. Tom Miller WPPD 2002 Events Coordinator - Original Message - From: laurence docherty stimpy...@hotmail.com To: Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] hello !! hello people my name is laurence i've just joined the pinhole discussion board.Im 20 years old, i.ve been doing photography now for about three years with my dads support, when he gave me his olimpus om2n and for the last year and a half i've been taking pinhole pictures which i love taking from the not knowing how the picture is quite going to come out, to even the way people look at a you in the street and even ask what your doing and i cant wait for pinhole day by the way is there anything happening in the south of england ? like workshops or gatherings? anyway take care fellow pinholers!!! Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Darkroom sink question
HI Greg, I just read Joe Rollins' excellent suggestion on using cypress, this one might help on construction techniques: Check Build Your Own Home Darkroom by Lista Duren and Will McDonald. It has a couple of pages of simple, clear instructions on building wooden duckboards, the strainers for darkroom sink bottoms. It also gives a couple of suggestions for cheap alternatives, like using plastic light diffusers resting on plastic pipe. I've owned the book for a while and have found it usefull for novice woodworkers like me. I've also seen the book in any number of popular bookstores and camera/photo stores. It might help just to look at it for the duckboard plans. Tom - Original Message - From: Greg Newberry grnewbe...@qwest.net To: Pinhole-Discussion pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Darkroom sink question I hope this is not out of place here. Forgive me if it is.. I've just built a darkroom and a new sink. It's 8 foot x 22 inches. I want to build some wooden strips/runners to line the bottom so the trays are off the bottom and allow the water and chemicals to flow through to the drain. What is a good wood selection and building technique for this? BTY, thanks to all who have responded to my posts in this forum. It's wonderful to have such a knowledgeable group of people as a resource. Thanks Greg ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] darkroom sink
Joe, Welcome to the group. Please congratulate your son and all success to him! And good luck on the house project. Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Rollins jroll...@starband.net To: Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] darkroom sink I would use cypress in a darkroom sink, it will swell and almost seal itself, and red (sinker) cypress will not rot. As for construction, I can't make any suggestions. I asked a question on human subjects the other day, and I suppose I should have introduced myself to the group. I am Joe Rollins, I live in Centreville, Mississippi, USA (no we are not all rednecks and I do have my own teeth). We are in SW MS and sit in the lap of Louisiana, about 90 miles north of New Orleans, LA. I am a Forester by trade, and a Net-Nut by choice. I got started in pinhole photography a couple of weeks ago helping my son with a science project. By the way he won first place in his division and goes to state next week. It is my counties BI-centennial, and so I am taking pictures of the old houses around, will do a web site in the next few months. I am enjoying the discussion group, and hope to be able to add something to it with time. Joe Rollins Southern by the Grace of God ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Hudson Valley (and other) Events
Hi Z, If there is not an event close to you, you might be interested in setting one up! It does not need to be a workshop, lecture or something formal. Here's a quote from the WPPD Workshop Planning Guide: a social event could simply be getting together with a like minded bunch of tiny aperture photographers to view each other’s work, exchange ideas, or join in on a WPPD photo expedition. If you're interested and willing to be the contact person, choose a time and place to meet, and create an event listing on the Pinhole Day site http://www.pinholeday.org/participate/add_event.php. Use the forum event type, which is there for social and similar events. The elusive Hudson Valley pinholers might jump at the chance of a WPPD photo expedition. The new group could even have its own exhibit as part of WPPD. Read on... This is a little old new to the list, but certainly bears repeating: ~ One new feature for the WPPD 2002 online exhibit is a robust search capability. You will be able to select a set of images by name, geographic area or group. The group selection is based on events posted to the WPPD Related Events page. If you are organizing a WPPD related workshop, lecture or other public event, be sure to add your workshop to the Pinhole Day Related Events Page at http://www.pinholeday.org/participate/events.php. TEACHERS: if you are planning a WPPD activity with your class, please contact me at events.coordina...@pinholeday.org. Let me know the name of your school and class, where you're located, etc. and your class can be listed in the group selection for the WPPD exhibit. ~ If I can help in any way, please let me know. Tom Miller WPPD 2002 Events Coordinator - Original Message - From: I Zarkov dr_izar...@hotmail.com To: Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:43 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Hudson Valley Are there any pinholers in the Hudson Valley in New York State that may be planning an event for World Pinhole Day? Would like to participate if someone is setting someting up. Regards, Z _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new List member: brief introduction
Christian, welcome to the list. It is a good place to be. The freshness of beginner's mind is the state we aspire to, otherwise we'd all be using lens cameras exclusively. Tom Christian wrote: I also hope to benefit from your experience... and maybe you can also benefit from my freshman state and my curiosity? ;-)
Re: [pinhole-discussion] help with indoor exposures needed
Hi Sarah, Do you know the difference in f-stops between the outdoor and indoor light? This can give a good starting point for indoor exposure. You can usually figure this out with a hand-held light meter using the exposure value (EV) scale. As an example, I have a camera that takes 100 seconds for an exposure in bright sunlight (EV 16). I've make several exposures inside office buildings where the light was seven stops less (EV 9) than bright sun. So, double the exposure for each stop. You can work this out in your head like this: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 times as long. 100 times 128 indicated an exposure of 12800 seconds. This worked out to be a 4-hour exposure (and this is where paper or a calculator came in handy). It worked! This camera used large paper negs, but the same technique works with film. Naturally, the lighting conditions will have a big impact, whether you're near a window, etc. I have not worked much with T-Max, but my memory is that, at long exposures, it is way faster than other 100 ASA films. Hope this helps. Tom - Original Message - From: Sarah Heidt heidtsa...@hotmail.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] help with indoor exposures needed I have been fairly happy with my results when taking pinhole pictures outdoors but I am not sure how to figure out the exposure for indoor shots. I know this is a really novice question, but sould someone help? The last picture I tried indoors came out totally overexposed. I was using TMax 100 film and I exposed for 1 minute which I thought might not be long enough, but it was too long. Sarah Heidt _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole on film
Hello Christoph, I appreciate your offer of a pinhole made with this new method. If I'm one of the luck first ten, my snail mail address is: Tom Miller 10930 Mississippi Blvd NW Coon Rapids, MN 55433-3866 Thanks again, Tom - Original Message - From: Christoph Wirsing chwirs...@web.de To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:32 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole on film A while ago somebody asked about pinholes exposed on film. I have been thinking about this before, but never took the time to try it. Now I had to do a print film and used the border of the page for some tests. I only exposed some polaroid pictures until now, so I am not sure if the sharpness actually equals a real hole. But as far as I can tell from the first tests, it seems to work quite well. The good thing about this technique is a) it is very easy to make a perfectly clean hole of exact size b) it is the only way to make holes of other shape, like stars (if you don't have a laser) The way to do it: Use a vector graphics program (like corel draw and many others). Draw a black square of 25*25 cm. Put a white shape in the center of the square, using a size of 1 mm. (I used one dot and two different stars from the wingdings font) Combine the two objects and reduce the whole thing to 2.5*2.5 cm. This way you can be sure that the hole will be 0.1cm . (If you need other sizes, it should be not too difficult to calculate) Then you can duplicate the object as often as the size of the page allows it. Save it as print file and send it to your service bureau. Unfortunately, I don't have much time at the moment for playing around with them, but if somebody else would like to try it: I have made enough filmholes, so that the first 10 people who send me their snail-address can get a set of them. I would like to see the results! Christoph PS: some of my pinhole photographs can be seen on www.chwirsing.de (made with a zero2000, not the filmholes yet) ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] image circle relative to focal length/fstop
The rule of thumb is that, on a flat film plane, the circle will be 3.5 times the focal length. So, if the focal length is 1 the circle will be 3.5, if the focal length is 2 the circle will be 7, and so on. The f-stop doesn't really matter for this rule of thumb. - Original Message - From: Thom Mitchell tjmi...@ix.netcom.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] image circle relative to focal length/fstop How can I quickly determine the size of the image circle for a given focal length and f/stop. I want to be able to keep an image circle from getting too big, i.e. I want it to be 2' or 3''. Any quick help would be appreciated as would simple rules of thumb as opposed to some of the derivative calculus I sometimes see. Thanks for your help in advance. Thom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] question and website
It looks like flare from bright light hitting the pinhole. This can happen if sunlight it hitting the pinhole during an exposure. My guess is that the sun was behind you for me. The same effect can happen if bright sunlight is reflecting off of a shiny surface. This may be what happened in water. - Original Message - From: Daniel Donnelly danieldonne...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] question and website hello, have recently taken a load of photos (about 40) out in Egypt. The problem is though is that there seems to be a mark in the centre of the print. It was a home made pinhole camera. The photos can be viewed at http://www.picturetrail.com/danieldonnelly if you click on random stuff. They r called me and water. Hope u can tell em what it is from, Daniel __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Type 55 reciprocity adjustments
Hi Gordy, The last I've done about a Bennett show was talk to David Pamperin a couple of months ago. It was a good long conversation, he listened and seemed interested in the idea of a pinhole show. I've been meaning to send him a follow-up (reminder) letter. Should have done it by now, but being one of the WPPD coordinators is taking up a fair amount of time. I don't think it will be possible to organize a high-quality show with national participants until 2003. I mentioned this to David in the phone conversation. A pretty good show of local folks is still an outside possibility. Please let me know what kind of information you'll need, and if you're thinking of a curated, a workshop or more of a social / information sharing meeting. I'll be happy to send what I can. One caveat: I will be out of the state until February 28. Tom Miller - Original Message - From: Gordy Emery geme...@hotmail.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Type 55 reciprocity adjustments Tom, I would like a copy also. I now know what the new museum display will be at the H.H. BENNETT MUSEUM . I think it will bring a lot of people to the museun; so I realy feel we must continue to work on getting the pinhole meet their. Please get me full information as I am working with the people who are in charge of finding the new C.E.O. Gordy From: Tom Miller twmil...@mr.net Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Type 55 reciprocity adjustments Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:41:14 -0600 I would appreciate the list also. I just bought a pack of Type 55 for experimental reasons. Tom Miller - Original Message - From: Howard Wells sandw...@earthlink.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Type 55 reciprocity adjustments Late last year a list member published a chart of reciprocity adjustments with Type 55 Polaroid. I printed it out, lost it, and now can't find it in the archives. Some interior work has taken me into uncharted (to me) realms with this wonderful material. Help and thanks. Howard Wells ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Type 55 reciprocity adjustments
I would appreciate the list also. I just bought a pack of Type 55 for experimental reasons. Tom Miller - Original Message - From: Howard Wells sandw...@earthlink.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Type 55 reciprocity adjustments Late last year a list member published a chart of reciprocity adjustments with Type 55 Polaroid. I printed it out, lost it, and now can't find it in the archives. Some interior work has taken me into uncharted (to me) realms with this wonderful material. Help and thanks. Howard Wells ___ Post to the list as PLAIN TEXT only - no HTML Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Nearly Off Topic
Dear All, Strictly out of curiousity: how many list members are current or former home-brewers or home-vintners and do you see parallels between this activity and your interest in pinhole photography? My answer: I'm a former home-brewer and I think there are parallels with pinhole photography. Tom Miller
[pinhole-discussion] WPPD 2002 Event News
Dear List Members, Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day, April 28, is a little less than three months away. Seems like a long time, but it could be just two or three lengthy exposures... Here are three pieces of news about WPPD 2002 and Related Events: 1) Paper for Workshops Chris Peregoy, a long-time contributor to this list, is generously offering a 125-sheet box of Kodak RC mat surface paper to low-cost WPPD workshops that will be held at art centers that are open to the public. Low-cost, rather than free, recognizes that an art center may need to charge a minimal fee to recover costs such as chemicals for processing the paper. When the workshop is posted to the WPPD Events page, Chris will email the event's contact person to complete the donation process. Chris mentioned that he has enough paper to supply up to 16 workshops. 2) WPPD Workshop Guide A newly-created WPPD Workshop and Event Planning Guide has been posted to the Pinhole Day website at http://www.pinholeday.org/support/ws_resources.php. This downloadable .pdf file contains information and suggestions that should save time and help make your event a success. 3) Group Exhibits A new feature for the WPPD 2002 online exhibit is a robust search capability. You will be able to select a set of images by name, geographic area or group. The group selection is based on events posted to the WPPD Related Events page. If you are organizing a WPPD related workshop, lecture or other public event, be sure to add your workshop to the Pinhole Day Related Events Page at http://www.pinholeday.org/participate/events.php. TEACHERS: if you are planning a WPPD activity with your class, please contact me at events.coordina...@pinholeday.org. Let me know the name of your school and class, where you're located, etc. and your class can be listed in the group selection for the WPPD exhibit. Thanks to Gregg Kemp's wizardry for these new search capabilities. And, thank you in advance for your interest and participation. Tom Miller
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Lost card on pinhole new year swap
Hi Manuel, I received your holiday swap card. Hope that you received mine, also (I sent it late, on January 13). Have a great new year of pinholing. Tom Miller - Original Message - From: Manuel Galan To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:31 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Lost card on pinhole new year swap Hi list, i have sended the complete list of new year pinhole card swap, but some cards (3) have returned to me because the adress label is lost. Please can the members of the list that have received my card email me in order to know who is still waiting my card? i want to resend again. Greetings from Spain. Pinhole yourself!! Manuel
Re: [pinhole-discussion] sheet film
I've tried it and had bad luck. The negs would get streaked near the holes in the hangers no matter how fast or slow I tried to dip them in. ballard borich wrote: Does anyone have experience with using film hangers in tanks as a film developement technique? I have some of the equipment but no experience. Ballard
Re: [pinhole-discussion] upload
Re: [pinhole-discussion] uploadIn any case, is definitely NOT a broken clock is right twice a day. - Original Message - From: Bill Erickson To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] upload Is it fortune favors the brave, chance favors only the prepared mind or 'even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a nut? - Original Message - From: Kosinski Family To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] upload Bill writes: I uploaded the results of an accident.. This is a gift of the gods... Hey dude, a gift of the gods is not an accident!
Re: [pinhole-discussion] wwpd exhibition
Ana Maria Schultze wrote Tom, I added myself, in the webpage, ok? Excellent. Thank you so much.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] wwpd exhibition
Dear All, The WPPD website's 2001 Gallery is a impressive exhibition in itself. As mentioned below, the idea for art councils to participate in Pinhole Day by providing access to darkroom facilities and scanners is a great one and easy to do. The pARTs Gallery in Minneapolis will be holding a WPPD Open House on the afternoon of April 28 in conjuction with a workshop that Bill Erickson and I are teaching. (Check the Related Events page on the Pinhole Day website: the open house will be listed there in a day or two.) The related events list is an excellent way for arts groups to let people in their area, and around the world, learn about the Pinhole Day events they'll be facilitating. The events can be a great way for WPPD contributors to connect with local pinholers. At the events page, art groups, galleries and other folks planning to conduct WPPD-related activities can submit information about their event to be added to the list. http://www.pinholeday.org http://www.pinholeday.org/participate/events.php Many thanks, Tom Miller --- Leslie Green wrote: Hey, everybody! While it would be nice to do an old-fashioned travelling exhibition, I agree that using the web would be much more democratic, especially if we could get a variety of places(like galleries and such) to enable this process by providing scanners, access to the web, darkrooms, etc, whatever can be organized in this short amount of time. This is a very exciting concept and I think many arts councils and grant programs would be happy to fund it. It is just the sort of thing they love! I'm sorry I didn't catch more of this discussion earlier and think of applying for my local arts council, I'm going to check and see if it's too late. Alexis wrote: --- ragowaring ragowar...@btinternet.com wrote: Over here in the UK I am talking with the museum art gallery here in Lincoln and they are interested in WWPD. I think linking up on the web would be a very good idea, it is democratic and exciting. Carrying out a workshop in which participants take photographs, perhaps make their own cameras develop and print and then post on the web would just be fantastic. Alexis
Re: [pinhole-discussion] (WPPD 2002 Special Events) A Post-Holiday Wish
Hi Leezy, Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day is Sunday, April 28, 2002. It looks like it would fit right in. Tom - Original Message - Tom, What is the date? Perhaps I can coordinate it with my class that begins Jan. 23 and ends in May. Thanks, leezy
[pinhole-discussion] (WPPD 2002 Special Events) A Post-Holiday Wish
Dear All, As Guy mentioned in his pre-Christmas update on WPPD 2002 activies, I'm coordinating special events for Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day 2002. Because the swirl of activities that surrounds the holidays, I waited until now to ask list members for their help, suggestions and contributions. I hope to compile a how to paper on organizing a pinholeday event and then post the result on the pinholeday site www.pinholeday.org. The idea is to create a mini-syllabus, or agenda, or a list of suggestions about what can be done in a day; the type of facilities needed (is a darkroom necessary in all cases?); what ideas worked well last year; if building cameras, what type can be built and used in a day; etc. I have an introductory outline of pinhole photography topics that I use when giving talks to various groups. Please let me know your thoughts and experiences and, if you have any handouts that you'd be willing to share, they will be appreciated. I'll blend these pieces into one and post the result to the pinholeday site. To keep the discussion list focused and uncluttered, please respond to directly to my email address: twmil...@mr.net. Also, Gregg Kemp has created a database of WPPD events http://www.pinholeday.org/participate/events.php. You can add your event to the database, or query the database by geographical area to find events close to you. Many, many thanks to Gregg for creating this remarkable tool. And, a Happy New Year of pinholing to you, too! Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] loading paper into a cancamera
Hi Leezy, My current roll of tape is labeled painter's masking tape. I've used it around door and window trim when painting house interiors; I believe auto painters use it also. I've never heard it refered to as drafting tape, although they may both be the same thing. Tom (Actually, this roll was made by 3M Canada, and in French it is Ruban de masquage pur peintre, and Spanish is masking tape para pintura.) - Original Message - From: b2myo...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] loading paper into a cancamera In a message dated 12/22/01 12:30:29 PM, twmil...@mr.net writes: One that I use with paper negatives is to take a strip of high-quality masking tape about 35 mm (1 1/2 inches) long roll it into a tube with the sticking part on the outside. The tube will have a diameter of about 10mm. Then put this between the back of the photo paper and the inside of the can. This works good because there is no tape on any part of the image; masking tape is meant to be removed and good quality masking tape doesn't leave any glue residue; and the tube has a little give in it so you can remove it easier than double-stick tape. I think this is called drafting tape. Is that correct? leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] loading paper into a cancamera
In the message below, I meant to add that I put a tube of tape behind the top corners of the photo paper. There are a couple of methods I've used to hold the paper in place. One that I use with paper negatives is to take a strip of high-quality masking tape about 35 mm (1 1/2 inches) long roll it into a tube with the sticking part on the outside. The tube will have a diameter of about 10mm. Then put this between the back of the photo paper and the inside of the can. This works good because there is no tape on any part of the image; masking tape is meant to be removed and good quality masking tape doesn't leave any glue residue; and the tube has a little give in it so you can remove it easier than double-stick tape.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] loading paper into a cancamera
Hi Lukas, There are a couple of methods I've used to hold the paper in place. One that I use with paper negatives is to take a strip of high-quality masking tape about 35 mm (1 1/2 inches) long roll it into a tube with the sticking part on the outside. The tube will have a diameter of about 10mm. Then put this between the back of the photo paper and the inside of the can. This works good because there is no tape on any part of the image; masking tape is meant to be removed and good quality masking tape doesn't leave any glue residue; and the tube has a little give in it so you can remove it easier than double-stick tape. Another thing I've done with small can cameras is glue a strip of mat board to the inside of the can on either side of where the paper should be. This was with a cylinder camera using film for negatives and the force of the film wanting to make itself flat again held the film in place. This should work with paper, too. Tom - Original Message - From: Łukasz Kacperczyk To: pinhole Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] loading paper into a cancamera Hi there, I'm new here, so my question is quite basic, namely: how do you load (I mean position) paper into a can camera? Do you use a tape that has both sides adhesive, or a normal one-sided tape? How do you make the paper stick to the camera's wall? Thanks in advance, Best regards, Łukasz -- Tego nie znajdziesz w żadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] --
Re: [pinhole-discussion] What about SHULL JIM book
This is an excellent book to use to get started in pinhole photography. It is geared toward new pinholers of all ages and is clear and straightforward. It has neither the historical information or the breadth of pinhole artists and photos that are included in Eric Renner's book, Pinhole Photography, Rediscovering a Historicl Techique. If a person is simply looking for a solid introduction to building and using pinhole camers, Shull's book fits the bill. - Original Message - From: Jean-Luc Coulon jean-luc.cou...@wanadoo.fr To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] What about SHULL JIM book Hi everybody, [Resent due to the list problem, sorry for the noise] What about The Beginner's Guide to Pihole Photography by Shull Jim ? Regards Jean-Luc ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ?
- Original Message - From: b2myo...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ? In a message dated 12/11/01 5:16:25 PM, twmil...@mr.net writes: Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than painted as a possible solution. Isn't painting, brushing on? Yes. My fingers do not respond well to my brain, which often has trouble keeping track of its own workings. My proof-reading skills are similarly jumbled. I meant to say rather than spray painted. Alternatively: Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than sprayed on as a possible solution.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ?
- Original Message - From: b2myo...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ? In a message dated 12/11/01 5:16:25 PM, twmil...@mr.net writes: Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than painted as a possible solution. Isn't painting, brushing on? Yes. My fingers do not respond well to my brain, which often has trouble keeping track of its own workings. My proof-reading skills are similarly jumbled. I meant to say rather than spray painted. Alternatively: Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than sprayed on as a possible solution.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ?
- Original Message - From: b2myo...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ? In a message dated 12/11/01 5:16:25 PM, twmil...@mr.net writes: Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than painted as a possible solution. Isn't painting, brushing on? Yes. My fingers do not respond well to my brain, which often has trouble keeping track of its own workings. My proof-reading skills are similarly jumbled. I meant to say rather than spray painted. Alternatively: Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than sprayed on as a possible solution.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ?
Yes. My fingers do not respond well to my brain, which often has trouble keeping track of its own workings. My proof-reading skills are similarly jumbled. I meant to say rather than spray painted. Alternatively: Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than sprayed on as a possible solution. - Original Message - From: b2myo...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ? In a message dated 12/11/01 5:16:25 PM, twmil...@mr.net writes: Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than painted as a possible solution. Isn't painting, brushing on? I'm so confused here. Thank you all for your responses. That's what's so great about this board. Tremendously supportive. Happy Holiday to one and all. Best, leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ?
Hi Leezy, I've had pretty good luck by sanding the inside of metal cans to roughen the surface and give the paint something to adhere to. Then spraying Krylon metal primer then two coats of Krylon ultra-flat black. I've had a little problem with dust from spray paint that dries before it hits the metal surface, but no worse with cans than with the old oatmeal boxes. Zernike mentioned using paint that can be brushed on rather than painted as a possible solution. Tom - Original Message - From: b2myo...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Home made 4x5 pinhole camera ? In a message dated 12/11/01 1:52:01 PM, glsm...@yahoo.com writes: my favorite remains a coffee can. at the risk of beating a dead horse, how do you keep the black paint inside from flaking? Thanks, leezy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Republic Tea Containers
Hi Renee, Have you had problems with banding in the middle of the negative? I made a few Republic of Tea containers and got bad light streaking in the middle of 4x5 color negatives. I haven't tried matt paper for negs yet. Tom - Original Message - From: robrien...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:56 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Republic Tea Containers FYI the Republic Tea Containers are nice and light tight and sturdy...good for pinhole cameras and fun for a class as wellhave a try...Renee ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Anyone seen any interesting work lately?
There is an exhibit of photographs by Henry P. Bosse at the Weisman Art Museum at the University of Minnesota. Bosse was an German-born engineer, surveyor and draftsman who worked for the for the Corp of Engineers on the Upper Mississippi from the late 1870s through the early 1900s. He produced a remarkably accurate set of maps covering the area between Minneapolis and St. Louis that guided river pilots until locks and dams were built in the 1930s. He also photographed extensively along the entire upper river using an 11x14 view camera. His images are mostly impeccably composed landscpapes recording towns, bridges and the power of the river as it interacts with the newly created civilization that used the watercourse as its main highway. Many images of steamboats and work on the river are also part of his photography. Nearly all of the images are contact-printed cyanotypes, which makes sense for a working surveyor and draftsman travelling in a riverboat. Most are printed as ovals, which perhaps makes them seem quaint to us now, but must have presented a compositional challenge to Bosse. His work was unknown until a volume owned by relatives and then given to a neighbor surfaced about ten years ago. When auctioned at Sotheby's, the high quality of the work immediately placed Bosse as one of the great 19th century photographers. A second volume of his work was found in the pilot house of a river dredge, where it had been in a drawer since 1937. The Around 1972, I played a bit part on the first environment impact study of the upper river. My job was to use a planimeter to measure the surface of the river on some old navigation maps and then again on the latest ariel-photographed navigation charts. The idea what to find differences between the free-flowing river and the series of pools that it has become today. A true delight for me at the Bosse exhibition was to discover that this remarkable engineer/photographer produced the maps I worked with nearly thirty years ago. Try this link; but be warned: The slideshow takes a painfully long time to load over a dail-up line. http://webcampus3.stthomas.edu/mjodonnell/bosse/exhibit.html - Original Message - From: Kate Hudec hu...@rcn.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Anyone seen any interesting work lately? Lots of tech talk on the digest lately, which is great, but I was wondering if anyone had seen any photography - pinhole or otherwise - that got them excited lately? ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Double Slit
Hi Joao, Check this URL: http://www.???/discussion/upload/gallery2001.php It will bring you to the discussion list gallery. If you go to the next page, there are a couple of two-slit images that I posted on Nov 5. They are pretty distorted: characteristic of two-slit photos made with curved or crooked slits. The couple of images that I've made with two perpendicular slits are sharp and the image is stretched along the axis of the slit closest to the film. Unfortunately, I don't have them in electronic form. There are examples in both editions of Eric Renner's book and in the Pinhole Journal vol 15 nbr 1. Tom - Original Message - From: Joao Ribeiro jribe...@greco.com.br To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Double Slit Hi folks, I was wondering what would be the difference between a pinhole and a double slit image? Can anyone help me with that? Do they look different? Where can I see one? Thanks in advance Joao ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se
Per Kodak: When traveling internationally, therefore, always ask for hand-inspection of your film and single-use cameras. In my infrequent travels in Europe, airport security always steadfastly (although politely) refuses to hand-inspect film, sending it all through the X-ray machine anyway. A friend who is a photographer, laywer and frequent international traveler has told me that in the United States airline passengers have to right to request a hand inspection of carry-on bags, but this right does not exist abroad. What are your experiences? It would be interesting to hear from other travelers, especially since this list is a global community. - Original Message - From: Michael Keller m.w.kel...@verizon.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] ordering film thru mail - xrays used by anyone for se FRom Kodak: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/aboutKodak/sanitize.shtml http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/aboutKodak/xRayScanner.shtml ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Construction: slit cameras?
Mac wrote: Okay Tom, Now I really need to try this. I think I will just use 4x5 BW. You have have already gone over this and I missed it. If i remember you have two slits. One a questionmark shap and the other kind of like a 30 degree bent straw. How wide are the slits? 1-2mm? Right now I have a library of about a dozen slits in various shapes and orientations. Most are about .65mm, crudely measured. What is the distance between the slits? Touching oran inch? The inner slit is usually 3 inches from the film plane; the outer slit is usually 6 inches. What focal length are you using to cover 4x5? inches? The above configuration usually produces an image that touches the edges of the 4x5 film plane, but never covers it fully. For the work I'm doing now, the large black spaces enhance what I'm trying to accomplish. This is a truthful but windy way of saying I don't know. I assume you are not focusing or use a ground glass? I'm not. I have a 5x7 field camera, but this sounds like a job for some black foamcore. God I love black foam core.:-) Even after reading the Pinhole Journal articles and the section in Eric Renner's book about slits, skull density prevented me from visualizing how to make the camera or to make the slits (or where to find the time for experimenting). So, a couple of years ago, I bought a Cardozo camera from Pinhole Resource. It is a beautiful match of design and craftsmanship. The camera has inner spacers that let the slits be arranged in different focal lengths. Black foam core should work great for building a slit camera. Actually, I bought a large piece a week or two ago to make a slit camera that I won't mind leaving in the back seat of the car when its parked outside at night. Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
Hi Guillermo, I crudely measured several of the dozen or so slits that I use. They range from about .5mm to .75mm; most are about .65mm. I wasn't sure how to plug the numbers into the the following formula, since the slits are different lengths from the film plane. Most always the inner slit is 3 or about 75mm from the film plane and the outer slit is 6 or about 150mm. There is only one focal length variable in the formula. Using .65 for both A and B: at 150mm focal length, the result was f 204; at 75mm it was f 102. My guess is that neither is quite right. Tom - Original Message - From: Guillermo pen...@home.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras? - Original Message - From: Tom Miller twmil...@mr.net The format for the two images is 4x5. The rule of thumb I heard was to meter the scene at f90 and give it two more stops. This means your slits set up is f/180 This gives exposures of 1 or 2 seconds in bright sun with Ektachrome 64T (EPY). The few pinhole exposures I've made with 4x5 EPY were in the 16 second range. Naturally the slit exposure times can vary depending on the width and length of the slits; but I've found that this rule of thumb works well in almost all cases. I'd say the widths alone affect the exposure time. The lengths and distance between them affect the image circle size or angle of view. Tom, if you know the widths of the slits of your camera, could you do me a favor? Could you please substitute the focal length and width of slits in the following formula and find the result? f/stop = 0.886 x focal length / SQRT( A x B ) where SQRT stands for Square Root, A is the width of one slit and B is the width of the other slit Is the results anywhere close to f/180? (close in this case means above 128 and bellow 256) Many thanks, Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
Hi Brigitte, Further in Jim Moninger's article he mentioned that he saw the banding using .5mm slits and so increased the slit width to 2mm thus making more diffuse images with less banding. I can't see banding in the images that accompany his article. The use or elimination of banding is up to the photographer. Marnie Cardozo's images in the same issue of PJ are much sharper, but include banding. I've dedided to keep the banding in the iconoclast images. Tom - Original Message - From: brigitte.har...@london.glencore.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras? Thanks guys. But what does it mean in pratical terms of constructing or pairing differently shaped slits. Is there anything I can do or avoid to do in order to eliminate or diffuse the problem? Regards, Brigitte. Guillermo pen...@home.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent by: cc: pinhole-discussion-admin@pSubject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras? inhole.com 07/11/2001 13:08 Please respond to pinhole-discussion - Original Message - From: Tom Miller twmil...@mr.net Also, do you have any explanation why in some slit configurations there is a lot of banding (thin black lines) forming over the image? This quote is from Jim Moninger's article in the Pinhole Journal vol. 15 #1 : These are apparently caused by the light rays / waves with form the two separate images becoming out of phase with one another. Tom Not just out of phase but 180 degrees from each other. This -perhaps- are regions where light (wave) diffracted by one slit is at its maximum peak (+) and light (wave) diffracted by the other slit not just overlaps the former but happens to be at its lowest peak (-), the net effect is darkness, light from one slit canceling out with light from the other slit, weird, eh? This BTW, is called Destructive Interference. Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. The contents of this email and any attachments are strictly confidential and they may not be used or disclosed by someone who is not a named recipient. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by replying to this email inserting the word misdirected as the message. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
Hi Brigitte, Brigitte wrote: I have found that the slit nearest to the film plane (i.e. the inner slit) shapes the image contortion significantly more than the other slit. Is this your experience as well? Yes. The conclusion I've come to is that the inner slit determines the overall shape of the image when it hits the film plane and the outer slit determines distortion within this shape. There's a lot going on beyond this simple rule, but using it has helped me better match slits with subject. Also, do you have any explanation why in some slit configurations there is a lot of banding (thin black lines) forming over the image? This quote is from Jim Moninger's article in the Pinhole Journal vol. 15 #1 : These are apparently caused by the light rays / waves with form the two separate images becoming out of phase with one another. Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
Hi Mac, The format for the two images is 4x5. The rule of thumb I heard was to meter the scene at f90 and give it two more stops. This gives exposures of 1 or 2 seconds in bright sun with Ektachrome 64T (EPY). The few pinhole exposures I've made with 4x5 EPY were in the 16 second range. Naturally the slit exposure times can vary depending on the width and length of the slits; but I've found that this rule of thumb works well in almost all cases. (Also, I have a lab cross-process the EPY film to C41 and use the negative image to make color prints.) Tom - Original Message - From: SPRINGTYME font...@usa.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras? Hi Tom! Thanks! What format? Was this 35mm? I think I'd like to give this a try. How do slit exposure times compare to pinhole? I'd gess a slit outputs a lot more light. Thanks Mac:-)
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
Hi Mac, You are correct: the subject is a flat sign. For His Master, the inner slit is question-mark-shaped and is horizontal in this image. The outer slit was a line that has about a 30-degree bend in the middle. It is vertical in this image and crosses the question mark in the center of the frame. Both slits were stationary. If I remember correctly, the film plane was slightly angled relative to the plane of the sign. One problem with photographing signs close up is that my tripods only go so high. And on sunny days, the camera's shadow can fall on the subject; angling the camera slightly often corrects this problem. Thank you for your interest. Tom - Original Message - From: SPRINGTYME font...@usa.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras? Hi Tom! Very nice! can you explain tmiller_hismaster? Would i be correct that the slit is at an angle? Was the original object a flat sign? This was a stationary slit image? I'm more familiar with scanning slit cameras. Thanks Mac Hello Guy, Click on the link below. It should be the Welcome to the Upload Gallery page. Then click the Gallery 2001 link. The first two images, dated Nov 5, should be should be the ones. Tom Tom Miller wrote: (My second reply to this message...) I posted two double-slit color images to the discussion list upload gallery http://www.???/discussion/upload/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
Hello Guy, Click on the link below. It should be the Welcome to the Upload Gallery page. Then click the Gallery 2001 link. The first two images, dated Nov 5, should be should be the ones. Tom Tom Miller wrote: (My second reply to this message...) I posted two double-slit color images to the discussion list upload gallery http://www.???/discussion/upload/ Hi Tom, Can you be more specific on the location in the Upload gallery? I looked around but there was too much stuff and gave up. Cheers, Guy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
I followed Marnie Cardozo's suggestions in the Pinhole Journal and made slits out of ortho/litho film. Hung the film in a south window for a week and developed it in stock Dektol for, well, a long time. It is opaque and can be cut with a sharp scissors into remarkable shapes. (I got the film from Freestyle a couple of years ago. Tom - Original Message - From: Andy Schmitt aschm...@warwick.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras? I realize this is a truly stupid question but how does one make crooked slits thanks andy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
(My second reply to this message...) I posted two double-slit color images to the discussion list upload gallery http://www.???/discussion/upload/ They are early pieces from my Iconoclast series, which is continuing apace (turtle's pace?). The images are scans of slides of 16x20 prints. I'm a newbie at Photoshop, but used it to try to get some cyan out of the His Master image that the scan put in. There actually area areas of cyan and magenta in the original print, which is why it still looks like it does. Slit cameras seem to scatter color as well as distorting the images. I've noticed the same effect in other color images. Tom - Original Message - From: J.E. Patterson j...@lightjunkie.org To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras? Tom Miller wrote: Attendees who stayed for the question/answer/network session saw some of my dual-slit color photos from the Iconclast series. Can you say more about slit cameras, or where to find out more about them? I noticed them in the description of an upcoming pinhole workshop here[at PCNW in Seattle], but I won't be able to attend. Cheers, Jane -- J.E. Patterson www.lightjunkie.org | www.luxumbradei.com ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras?
Hi Jane, A slit is an elongated pinhole that, like a round pinhole, is an image forming device. A slit is about the same width as the diameter of a pinhole, but can be up to 2.5 to 3 long for a 4x5 negative. The slit can be a straight line: horizontal, vertical or diagonal. The image formed will take the characteristics of the slit. If the slit is horizontal, the image will be wider than normal; if it vertical, the image will be taller than normal. The fun part of slit photography is using curved and zig-zag and right-angle and question-mark-shaped and other wacky slits. Tf there are two slits between the image and the film plane, the image will take on characteristics of both slits. This is the second and truly fun part. The resulting images are so distorted! There isn't a good description of slit photography that I've found on the internet (yet). Good descriptions of slit photography and great resulting images are in the Pinhole Journal, vol 15 #1 and in Eric Renner's book Pinhole Photography, Rediscovering a Historic Technique. There's more about slits in the second edition than the first. Eric and Nancy at Pinhole Resource sell the Cardozo slit camera on their website www.pinholeresource.com. There is a picture of the camera on their products page. Tom - Original Message - From: J.E. Patterson j...@lightjunkie.org To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] slit cameras? Tom Miller wrote: Attendees who stayed for the question/answer/network session saw some of my dual-slit color photos from the Iconclast series. Can you say more about slit cameras, or where to find out more about them? I noticed them in the description of an upcoming pinhole workshop here[at PCNW in Seattle], but I won't be able to attend. Cheers, Jane -- J.E. Patterson www.lightjunkie.org | www.luxumbradei.com ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Upper Midwest Pinhole Get-together - Wow
Dear All, Bill Erickson and I would like to thank all who participated in yesterday's Pinhole: Informal Forum, also known as the Upper Midwest Pinhole Get-together, at the pARTs Photographic Arts Gallery in Minneapolis. The event was a success and an inspiration for both presenters and attendees. Also thanks to Gregg Kemp for providing internet space on his site and in the Pinhole Visions for the for forum announcement. Chris Faust presented work from a series he created about ten years ago that placed pinhole cameras in the perspective of a child and viewed the world from this playful vantage point. His work included an 360-degree, 18 foot long print taken from the inside of a playpen by a Cirkut camera fitted with a zone plate. This image is also in Pinhole Journal, vol 12 #3. List member Eric Nelson discussed how he incorporates pinhole photography into his junior high art classes. He also showed several of his own and his students' images. Derrick Burbul, from the University of Minnesota, Duluth, showed his multi-pinhole camera that takes five 4x5 exposures at once, as well as images made with the camera. John Campbell (http://www.pinholeday.org/2001/photo_79.html) showed his work done mostly with pinholes mounted on Leicas and also on a Nikon digital camera. Andrew Kamin (www.pinholeplanet.com) demonstrated his prototype dual focal length 4x5 camera and showed several transparancies made with this camera. Bill Erickson presented several platinum prints and a cyanotype from recent travel to Ireland. Attendees who stayed for the question/answer/network session saw some of my dual-slit color photos from the Iconclast series. The pARTs Gallery staff was excited by the enthusiastic turnout. I'll be working with them on the possibility of having pARTs be a local / regional center for next year's Pinhole Day. Tom Miller
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Cool News
Hello Rosanne, Hearty and plentiful congratulations to you and all of your students! The exhibit and awards must have multiplied the festivities manyfold. Tom - Original Message - From: ethereal art ethereal...@mindspring.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Cool News Hello Ladies and Gentlemen of the List. I have to tell you some FUN news. The annual Fair here in Augusta, Georgia, USA has opened. Along with the rides, exhibits and smells of food, they have an art and photography exhibit/contest. My students entered a total of 47 photos, some were pinhole, and they won all the categories up to Best in Show with my 12th grader. I won several awards as well, including Best in Show with a pinhole photograph. Rosanne ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Vera Lutter
Dear All, The talk by Vera Lutter at the Minneapolis College of Art and Design is actually on Thursday, November 29 at 7:00 pm. I apologize for any confusion my confusion has caused. (The November 15 presenter is Paul Shambroom, a wonderful lens photographer. www.paulshambroomart.com ) Tom - Original Message - From: Tom Miller twmil...@mr.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Vera Lutter Dear Everyone, Is anyone familiar with Vera Lutter and her pinhole work? She will be giving a talk at the Minneapolis College of Art and Design on Thursday evening, November 15. Apparently, she makes room-sized pinhole images of factories, etc. Sounds intriquing. Tom ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: 126 Availability
126 film is the same width as 35mm. Once labs know this they're usually OK with developing the film. - Original Message - From: Rainbow Sky rainbowsky...@hotmail.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: 126 Availability Where in the U.S. would one have 126 developed? Please forgive me if I'm showing my ignorance too boldly. I've been curious about the 126 pinhole camera design, but didn't know how well the format was supported. Thanks, Mike Rainbow Sky Opposite of People (we're a band) http://www.rainbowskytrading.com http://www.oppositeofpeople.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Re: 126 Availability
Earlier I wrote: 126 format film is available again. It is manufactured by Ferrania and sold under the Solaris film brand. It is C41 film, ISO 200, 24 exposure. When I enquired about its availability in the United States, Ferrania told me that it is available soley through their distributer, Continent-Wide, in Toronto. Apparently this film has been available in Europe. I don't European contact information. Tom
[pinhole-discussion] 126 Availability
Dear All, 126 format film is available again. It is manufactured by Ferrania and sold under the Solaris film brand. It is C41 film, ISO 200, 24 exposure. When I enquired about its availability in the United States, Ferrania told me that it is available soley through their distributer, Continent-Wide, in Toronto. I called and ordered several rolls; they were honest and told me that it is currently back-ordered; but I should get it within 2 - 3 weeks. I'll let you know how the experiment goes when the film does arrive. Current price $3.99 plus shipping (silly me: I don't know if this is Canadian or U.S. dollars). Contact info for Continent-Wide: 1-800-667-0293 voice; try x110 1-800-667-4278 fax g...@continent-wide.com Their web site is primitive and does not list the 126 film. Tom
[pinhole-discussion] KC Pinholers
Dear All, Does anyone on the list have work in or will be attending the Society for Contemporary Photography's Current Works 2001 show in Kansas City? The call for entries was mentioned in the Pinhole News email earlier this year. I was fortunate to have one slit photo accepted for the show and plan to explore the Midwest by driving down for the opening on October 19. It would be great to meet other pinholers either at the show or on the day or two surrounding it. Please let me know off-list twmil...@mr.net Thanks, Tom
[pinhole-discussion] Electrical Tape
Dear All, My 2 cents on electrical tape... Mostly I've used electrical tape for shutters, mounting pinholes and sealing the edges of box and can cameras. I've used the cheap stuff and stopped using it. It would lose its sticking ability within a few exposures and leave glue on the pinholes and can rims. It gets stiff in winter making it hard to get the shutter back on in sub-freezing temperatures. I started using 3M electrical tape, which costs 2 - 6 times as much (depending on sale prices v. full retail). Its worth it, though: I use way less of it. It is easy to work with, maintains its elasticity in winter with and can be used repeatedly. I've used the same long strip of tape for many exposures over many months to light-seal the lid on large popcorn cans. Tom
[pinhole-discussion] Upper Midwest Pinhole Gathering
Dear All, Bill Erickson and I will be hosting a second gathering of Upper Midwest pinholers at the pARTs Photographic Arts Gallery in Minneapolis on Sunday, November 4. This Pinhole: Informal Forum event fulfills the many requests received at last April's pinhole forum for a show and tell to be held in the fall. St. Paul photographer Chris Faust will discuss his pinhole work (see Pinhole Journal Vol 12, No 3). Time slots will be available for attendees to present work. There will be informal discussion, question/answer, idea and knowledge sharing. Hope to see you there! Bring some of your favorite photos and cameras! Tom Miller twmil...@mr.net Here's more info: What? Pinhole: Informal Forum Sunday, November 4 2:00pm - 4:00pm Where? pARTs Photographic Arts Gallery 711 W. Lake Street Minneapolis, MN 55408 www.partsphoto.org
Re: [pinhole-discussion] how purple does kodak stop get?
Hi Rob, The time that the stop bath turned purple real fast on me was the time I forgot to dilute the D76 stock developer solution with two parts water. When the stop turned purple so quickly, I realized why that session's prints were so contrasty... something to check, anyway. Tom - Original Message - From: R Duarte ra...@rahji.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] how purple does kodak stop get? So, to make that project that I just emailed about I turned my bathroom into a darkroom. It's worked pretty good. I'm just wondering about one thing... the stop bath seems to turn purple really quickly (like 20 mins?).. especially if normal light hits it. How dark does it get before it's bad, or are you supposed to ditch it as soon as it starts changing color? Does it ever get opaque? Maybe I mixed it wrong.. 2 fl. oz. to a gallon is what I did. Thanks for any answers... sorry the question isn't pinhole-specific.. thanks, rob ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] HH Bennett Museum (Not pinhole, so skip this if you wish)
On a recent trip to Wisconsin Dells, I happened upon the H. H. Bennett Studio History Center, operated by Wisconsin State Historical Society. It was a rewarding experience and a welcome break from the area's ubiquitous water parks. Bennett was an accomplished 19th Century portrait and landscape photographer and a pioneer in many areas, including stop-action photography, the photo essay and photographing fireworks. He has a kinship with latter-day pinholers in that he made all of his own equipment (except for lenses), including cameras, shutters, portable darkrooms, print frames, etc. He invented a rotating solar printing house for making contact prints. It was built on a circular rail and Bennett would move the house every 30 minutes to align it with the sun and maximize the production of prints. Bennett's studio and darkroom are in their original working state. The photography business remained in the family until Bennett's granddaughter sold it to the state in 1998. Check out the musuem if you're in the area and are not averse to glass lenses. http://www.shsw.wisc.edu/sites/bennett/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film
I had good luck earlier this year using 4x5 Portra 160 NC and also 4x5 Portra 100T using an 85B filter (after getting good advice from list members on the topic). A Kodak help-line technician (who is also a pinholer) told me that Portra daylight film (and I honestly can't remember if he said 160 or 400) can take a 10-second exposure without reciprocity failure. The tungsten film can go longer without reciprocity failure. E6 Tungsten film cross-processed to C41 produces brilliantly colored prints. The color is surprizingly true, although definitely leaning toward surrealistic. - Original Message - From: William Erickson erick...@ic.mankato.mn.us To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film Does Portra come in 4x5. It has good reciprocity characteristics. Color slide film, I'm told, is near impossible for pinhole because of narrow exposure latitude. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher r...@hiddenworld.net To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help Me Pick A Color Film Can anyone suggest a good color negative film for me? I will be shooting 4x5 and processing c-41. Since it is pinhole we are dealing with, a film with low reciprocity failure and not to significant color shift when taking long exposures would be a plus. I am primarily shooting outdoors. I have been shooting black and white for a long time, and am not to up to speed on what color films are notable today... ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] 4x5 processing question
I put the sheets into an empty 3-part 4x5 film box, tape it shut and bring it to the lab. The lab returns the processed negs in plastic sleeves in the same box (or a different one, depending on the lab). If the is your first box of 4x5 and you want to process only part of it, maybe the lab or another photographer has an old box they could give you. - Original Message - From: Derek Nielsen derekniel...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] 4x5 processing question I am in the process of building a 4x5 pinhole camera, and was wondering how to take the film from the camera to the photo lab. How do people usually do this? Do you just put it in a box or a bag of some sort or do you drop of the film holder? Derek Nielsen derekniel...@yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] at home color processing?
Hi Jeff, I had some early relative success processing C41 4x5 negs by hand (roll film turned out better). The chemistry was provided by by an art college where I was taking continuing studies classes. I believe it was Kodak chemistry. Tried a different chemistry in a subsequent class at the same school and ruined so many negs that I swore (after vehemently cussing) that I'll always bring color neg film to a lab for processing. It was a good decision. Tom - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] at home color processing? Just wondering if any pinholers here are processing their color negatives at home. Is such a thing viable? I have been concentrating on bw for quite some time, and don't know to much about color chemistry... Maybe someone has some recommended internet links...
[pinhole-discussion] Calumet C2 Holder
Dear All, Does anyone have experience with a Calumet C2 rollfilm holder? I bought one used two or three months ago, and have been using it with a Leonardo. Basically, it works great, except for one thing: I don't know how to align the start marks on the 120 or 220 film to make sure that Frame 1 lines up correctly for the first exposure. It is usually a frame or two off one way or the other, wasting some film each roll. The holder did not come with an instruction sheet. Your help will be appreciated. Thanks, Tom
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My personal day off from work...)
Hi Jeff, (Comments below) Tom - Original Message - From: Jeff Dilcher dilc...@cueva.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Finney observations (was My personal day off from work...) My only problem with the Finney is this: In the past, when using a Leonardo camera, I always could visualize what portions of my scene would be in the final negative by lining up my vision down guidelines, which were traced on the camerabody from the negative corners, down to the pinhole. Obviously, with an extendable bellows camera, lines can't be traced on the camera (nor would I want to on a Finney!), so, my question is, how are Finney users lining up what will be on the final image when they are making a photograph? Guesswork? I put one finger on the middle of the lensboard and another finger on the edge of the film plane and look down the imaginary line. Kinda rough, but it gives an OK idea of what will be in the image. I've thought of using rubber bands as guidelines, but just don't have the heart to pound or screw things into the Finney. The ground glass viewing plate is dissapointing except, maybe, for decoration. From my initial observations, it would appear that you would have to have a dark cloth wrapped tightly in order to utilize it as an aid in composition. You do need a dark cloth wrapper completely around the camera: NO LIGHT can get throught. I've only done this two or three times; using imaginary lines works well in most cases.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Small, Medium or Large?
Hi Wayne, Welcome to lensless photography! It is several universes in size and scope, plenty of stuff to explore and discover. My preference is large-format photography for lensless work, with medium format a good second choice. The main reason is much the same as with lens photography: the image can be enlarged much more without degrading it or having it become too grainy. This is a personal preference, not a hard and fast rule. A good point of the Graphlex is that you can vary the focal length using the extending bellows. Pinholes or zone plates of various sizes can be mounted on lens boards and changed as needed. The down sides of large format are, of course, cost and less of convience (bigger stuff to lug around). If price is no object, Calumet sells the Finney pinhole turret with 3 zone plates and 4 pinholes for various focal lengths. The turret in on a 4-inch lensboard, which I think fits a Graphlex. Have fun exploring! Tom - Original Message - From: waynerol...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 10:15 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Small, Medium or Large? Hello: I have been looking at pinhole pictures for the past two weeks and have been reading Eric Renner's outstanding book, Pinhole Photography, and as a result have resolved to explore pinhole and zone plate photography myself. I have so many questions, but today I have been thinking about what format to focus on. I have Crown Graphic 4x5, Mamiya Press 2x3 and Nikon 35mm cameras that are available for adaptation for zone plate and pinhole photography. 1) Aside the aesthetic attractiveness of creating pictures that are part investigation and part meditation, etc., what are the practical benefits of making zone plate and pinhole photographs with the medium and large format cameras listed above over the 35mm? 2) What are the pitfalls in using zone plate bodycap and pinhole bodycap apertures in small format cameras? And what are the workarounds and working methods for small format zone plate/pinhole photography? Thanks, Wayne ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
[pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Day, Pre- and Post-
Dear All, The Pinhole Day website is beautiful and impressive. Many thanks to all who put it together and (have or will) contribute photos to it. It is especially impressive given the short time frame between the idea and the event. The website will certainly be a catalyst to more participation and recognition next year. For old news on a pre-WWPD event... The Upper-Midwest pinhole get-together that Bill Erickson and I hosted the the pARTs Gallery in Minneapolis last Thursday was attended by seventeen pinholers. Participants' previous pinhole experiences ranged from just getting ready to try it to professional photographers; many are active teachers. There was a lot of interest in having another get-together in the Fall, giving more folks a chance to share work and ideas. Tom
