Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
PasTim wrote: > I couldn't get parameter that to work on my system. > > I've gone round the houses with ports and firewalls and come to the > conclusion I still don't fully understand UPNP's needs between renderer > and squeeze2upnp. Note also that squeeze2upnp to LMS is a separate > issue and only matters if on separate systems. > > One also needs to make sure the renderer can communicate with LMS. I've re-run test here and I've tried different ports using that parameter and was able to get them to work ... as you point out, this might rather be related to firewall settings LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
philippe_44 wrote: > Personally, I let applications open what they want for outgoing, but I > limit what incoming port are allowed to be opened for listening That's the normal way to set up a software firewall on a PC on a home network. Even Windows defaults it's firewall like that. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
PasTim wrote: > I've been through my firewall settings, and this is what works for me, > even though I can't explain some of it > > from my renderer(s) to my server, ports 80, 8080, 1900 (udp), 5431, > 49152 > from my gateway, to address 224.0.0.1 (multicast) > > My squeeze2upnp is on the same system as LMS (if it wasn't I'd need to > open more ports for it on the server). > > I control squeeze2upnp from a separate browser on either a desktop or > laptop, but as far as I know that doesn't affect the above settings. > > Edit: Just in case this seems a bit negative, I've had more firewall > problems driving UPnP from Minimserver than with sq2u. I'm also a > little dim sometimes and I don't really understand TCP/IP as well as I > should :) Port 1900 is used by the SSDP protocol. According to some old logs, 8080 is the port that your Marantz is using to receive upnp commands and I guess 5431 is the M1. I don't know why 80 is needed as well. What surprised me is I think you use ufw to deny traffic on outgoing port, which I usually don't do, I'm only blocking incoming traffic. I'm not a firewall expert neither, but denying outgoing port is very restrictive as applications need to open randomly selected outgoing port for communication with remote entity. Personally, I let applications open what they want for outgoing, but I limit what incoming port are allowed to be opened for listening LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Tidal Lost All Saved Artists, Albums, Everything
Please remove TIDAL from the list of services in your ickStream account and re-add it. Does that help? --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103377 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: > I'm sure you're right. It would be interesting to know what proportion > of that demographic will bin their devices rather than fiddle around > with applet or LMS plugin hacks and updates. Anyway, we're well off > topic, so best stop. Agreed! On all counts. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 & Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
castalla wrote: > There are possibly a lot of SB radio users out there who fall into the > same demographic! I'm sure you're right. It would be interesting to know what proportion of that demographic will bin their devices rather than fiddle around with applet or LMS plugin hacks and updates. Anyway, we're well off topic, so best stop. majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: > My guess is that people buy Sonos at the prices they charge in the > expectation that Sonos does the difficult stuff for them behind the > scenes. So this must be quite a challenge to the Sonos-customer > relationship. There are possibly a lot of SB radio users out there who fall into the same demographic! And to be fair, Sonos haven't withdrawn from the market in the way Logi did! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 & Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
castalla wrote: > I can understand why owners don't necessarily want another device > running to get decent streams. My guess is that people buy Sonos at the prices they charge in the expectation that Sonos does the difficult stuff for them behind the scenes. So this must be quite a challenge to the Sonos-customer relationship. majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Annouce: Squeeze Control, a squeezebox remote app, is now available for Android
local.bin wrote: > So that is it? > > Chromecast support etc all gone in the new version? > > How can your new app pass the google test of covers when the old app > didn't? No, the post you quoted is referring to the version on the Amazon App store. Amazon devices do not have Google Play services installed, which is required for Wear and Chromecast support, and Amazon tend to reject apps that even hint at using anything Google related. The version on Google Play is exactly the same as the one that got removed. The original app was most likely removed because the screenshots had album covers in it and the legal arm of some record company probably noticed and complained to Google. This of course is just a guess. Google never specifically said that the screenshots were infringing, only that the app involved displaying album covers. And they didn't mention this until after the removal and there was nothing I could do about. I think Google's stance is that since they not review apps before publication (at least not until very recently) and you could just republish any app that was removed, they are not going to spend any effort to try to work out the situation with you. -- Squeezebox apps for webOS, Android and Windows Phone, http://www.angrygoatapps.com wt0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96757 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: > Maybe we should hold a befriend-a-Sonos-owner day and lend them capacity > on our LMS installations? Actually, you can turn a Sonos into a sb player easily with the sq2upnp app. But, I can understand why owners don't necessarily want another device running to get decent streams. A bit like SB radio owners who don't want to run LMS. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 & Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
castalla wrote: > Just posted on Sonos forum: > 'We don't currently have an ETA for HLS support available right now .. Maybe we should hold a befriend-a-Sonos-owner day and lend them capacity on our LMS installations? majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
crkm wrote: > Hi Philippe > Here are a few observations of my current working system > Windows 7 (as Administrator), LMS 7.8.0 - 1395409907, squeeze2upnp > 0.2.0.0, Renderers currently working: Foobar2000 (1.3.5) on same PC > (connected through a plugin to Airport Express driving stereo), > CocktailAudio X10 on wireless Home Network. > > To get this going, the problem boiled down to the entry in > the config .xml file. According to Windows, access to all the example > directories given below are the same (Full Control, from running as > Administrator). I observed 3 different behaviours, the first two > resulted in no sound via Foobar > 1 sq_run_device:849 [00484BA4]: cannot access . in log file. Example > . (default) full address of squeeze2upnp > location (Downloads directory on disk G:). No sound > 2 No 'cannot access message' in log file but no sound. Example > \ > 3 Full operation and sound via CA and Foobar. Example > G:\ G:\Garmin\ > I couldn't detect a pattern except the more complicated (long) the > directory name the less the chance of operation. > Normally, you should use '/' and not '\'. I will check later today, but '\' should work still without a need to double it '\\', but I need to verify. Meanwhile, it is better to use '/'. The log error "cannot access" happens when I do a system call that fails to verify that the directory is accessible for rw operation. The no sound very likley mean that just setting '\' means that there is a mixup with regard to where the temp files are stored so they cannot be retrieved when required by the upnp player. I do not understand well you conclusion wrt "long names". > > A couple of other observations > In 0.2.0.0 the first time the config.xml is saved there are no entries > under the device category (With 0.1.4.0 entries appeared for both CA and > Foobar) > I can't stream to both Foobar and CA at the same time > I'm still playing around and have noticed a few of these lines in the > logfiles > CallbackActionHandler:639 Error in action callback -- -113 (cookie > 0182) especially when streaming to the CA but it doesn't seem to > affect the stream. I've experienced several drop outs using Foobar, > along with the occasional CallbackActionHandler errors. > > Hope this helps and Thanks again for this great program > crkm The -113 error is not an issue. The can't stream to both in // is totally abnormal. I have 5 players to which I stream in //, for my tests LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Just posted on Sonos forum: 'We don't currently have an ETA for HLS support available right now, but we'll be letting everyone know as soon as there's new information. We have no reason to believe existing hardware will be unable to play the BBC HLS streams. We already support a form of HLS streaming in our integration with some other services. HLS isn't a standardized format, so the same implementation we're using with other services won't work with the BBC format as is. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 & Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Annouce: Squeeze Control, a squeezebox remote app, is now available for Android
wt0 wrote: > Yes it's the same app with tablet mode built-in since most amazon > devices are tablets. Also it's missing anything that requires Google > services; ie. Android Wear and Chromecast. > > I added a mention of this to the first post of this thread. So that is it? Chromecast support etc all gone in the new version? How can your new app pass the google test of covers when the old app didn't? local.bin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96757 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: > I feel exactly the same way. It's such a shame that it wasn't a > sufficient commercial success to sustain Logitech's interest. But, who > knows, in light of this situation where it has massively outshone all > the competition, maybe it's time for a relaunch? For me it's the software that's the winner. I can do things with LMS that I can't with any other music-playing solution, and there's nothing I want to do that it can't thanks to the help of plugins from some very talented people and continuing support from mherger. It's a sign of a fundamentally well-designed software system that it has shown such resilience and flexibility. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
utgg wrote:
> Actually, the real reason the streams were often erroring before they
> could start was due to a bug in HLS.pm. I don't know if you are
> monitoring any of this Triode, but you may want to include this in your
> next update. Near the end of HLS.pm:
> >
Code:
> > if (!${*$self}{'_pl_noupdate'} && time() >
${*$self}{'_pl_fetched'} + ${*$self}{'_pl_lastint'}) {
> >
> wants to be:
> >
Code:
> > if (length ${*$self}{'_pl_url'} && !${*$self}{'_pl_noupdate'}
&& time() > ${*$self}{'_pl_fetched'} + ${*$self}{'_pl_lastint'}) {
> >
>
> It still doesn't seem to do any harm in reducing FETCH_CHUNKS to 1 as
> I suggested originally. It gives a much faster start-up to the streams
> - the start-up time could be a bit variable with 5 chunks. This is
> because several async http chunk fetches are launched at once and it
> is random which one arrives first - if the first chunk arrives last it
> will take longer to start than if the first chunk arrives first. And
> having several chunks being fetched simultaneously will slow the first
> one down anyway.
Thanks for this.
It works perfectly with Squeezeplug on a Raspberry Pi B. The previous
change to reduce the number of chunks to be fetched had no effect for
me, but I have kept this set to 1.
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[SlimDevices: Plugins] Tidal Lost All Saved Artists, Albums, Everything
Hello all, I installed ickstream and Tidal and was very happy. I had a fairly large list of artists that I had entered via the desktop app and was pleased to see that they also showed up in LMS/ickstream. BTW I am careful to log out of Tidal whenever I switch between players. As of two days ago I started getting a "No content available." message when I try to access artists, albums, tracks, etc. What is more disturbing is that when I do a search, it will show me "Artists, Albums, Tracks" as though it had results from the search, but when I click on them they also give the "No content available" message. In other words, I can't play anything on Tidal. :( I tried reinstalling ickstream, changing/restoring proxy setting (restarting LMS and logging out then back in, between each change) with no joy. I also tried endless search terms for Tidal problems with no results. This is the repository I used: http://repository.ickstream.com/squeezebox/repository-windows.xml I am running: SBT Firmware: 7.7.3-r16676 with EDO LMS Version: 7.7.5 - 1416570306 Any help greatly appreciated, Henry Aguado buelligan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9019 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103377 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
TheLastMan wrote: > I am so glad I stuck with Squeezebox and LMS and that I did not go > for Sonos as I was considering when Logitech abandoned the hardware two > and a half years ago (yes it has been that long!). I feel exactly the same way. It's such a shame that it wasn't a sufficient commercial success to sustain Logitech's interest. But, who knows, in light of this situation where it has massively outshone all the competition, maybe it's time for a relaunch? majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
utgg wrote: > Changing this line in HLS.pm in Triode's alpha plugin: > > Code: > > use constant FETCH_CHUNKS => 5; # number of chunks to prefetch > > > to: > > Code: > > use constant FETCH_CHUNKS => 1; # number of chunks to prefetch > > > makes the stream start-up completely reliable and fast for me, and the > stream playing is still rock solid. > > That number means how many chunks of sound the plugin tries to buffer > up before it starts playing - 5 equates to 32 seconds with Live > streams and 50 seconds with Listen Again. The buffer will quickly > build up to about that size after it starts anyway - and it has 6 > seconds while the first buffer is playing out to fetch the second one > - which it easily manages on my poor broadband connection. If it tries > to buffer too much before it starts, taking a long time over it, > something errors before the stream has a chance to start. Thanks for this, works instantly now. ed39's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59470 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: Song Info plugin
Hi, I'm getting the following warnings appearing in the log multiple times when I look at information for a track or stream Code: [15-03-20 17:44:03.5383] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1220) Warning: [17:44:03.5319] Use of uninitialized value $moduleId in hash element at C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/SongInfo/Plugin.pm line 334. [15-03-20 17:44:03.5394] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1220) Warning: [17:44:03.5387] Use of uninitialized value $moduleId in concatenation (.) or string at C:\ProgramData\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/SongInfo/Plugin.pm line 335. Running latest 7.9: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1426769055 @ Fri Mar 20 04:04:58 CUT 2015 Operating system: Windows 2008 Server R2 - EN - cp1252 Platform Architecture: 8664 Perl Version: 5.14.1 - MSWin32-x86-multi-thread LMS Version: 7.9 TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - WHS 2011 2x Touch, 3x SB3 bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76688 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
djfake wrote: > I believe my Beep is connecting at 49152, I have 9000 and 3483 open for > LMS. Firewalls are always a good idea, and the fact that I have to turn > mine off to get sq2u to work, I would also request to a config parameter > for the port(s) to be specified. > > > > That it works well. I spent Monday using it extensively but did have to > restart sq2u a few times during the day, so it must crash or become > unresponsive. Whether this is my Beep or sq2u, I will have to > investigate further. I've been through my firewall settings, and this is what works for me, even though I can't explain some of it from my renderer(s) to my server, ports 80, 8080, 1900 (udp), 5431, 49152 from my gateway, to address 224.0.0.1 (multicast) My squeeze2upnp is on the same system as LMS (if it wasn't I'd need to open more ports for it on the server). I control squeeze2upnp from a separate browser on either a desktop or laptop, but as far as I know that doesn't affect the above settings. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
philippe_44 wrote: > Great - once you have this working to your taste, can you give me some > details of your configuration so that I can updated the COMPATIBILITY > file ? > > Thanks Hi Philippe Here are a few observations of my current working system Windows 7 (as Administrator), LMS 7.8.0 - 1395409907, squeeze2upnp 0.2.0.0, Renderers currently working: Foobar2000 (1.3.5) on same PC (connected through a plugin to Airport Express driving stereo), CocktailAudio X10 on wireless Home Network. To get this going, the problem boiled down to the entry in the config .xml file. According to Windows, access to all the example directories given below are the same (Full Control, from running as Administrator). I observed 3 different behaviours, the first two resulted in no sound via Foobar 1 sq_run_device:849 [00484BA4]: cannot access . in log file. Example . (default) full address of squeeze2upnp location (Downloads directory on disk G:). No sound 2 No 'cannot access message' in log file but no sound. Example \ 3 Full operation and sound via CA and Foobar. Example G:\ G:\Garmin\ I couldn't detect a pattern except the more complicated (long) the directory name the less the chance of operation. A couple of other observations In 0.2.0.0 the first time the config.xml is saved there are no entries under the device category (With 0.1.4.0 entries appeared for both CA and Foobar) I can't stream to both Foobar and CA at the same time I'm still playing around and have noticed a few of these lines in the logfiles CallbackActionHandler:639 Error in action callback -- -113 (cookie 0182) especially when streaming to the CA but it doesn't seem to affect the stream. I've experienced several drop outs using Foobar, along with the occasional CallbackActionHandler errors. Hope this helps and Thanks again for this great program crkm crkm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
utgg wrote:
> Changing this line in HLS.pm in Triode's alpha plugin:
> >
Code:
> > use constant FETCH_CHUNKS => 5; # number of chunks to prefetch
> >
> to:
> >
Code:
> > use constant FETCH_CHUNKS => 1; # number of chunks to prefetch
> >
> makes the stream start-up completely reliable and fast for me, and the
> stream playing is still rock solid.
>
> That number means how many chunks of sound the plugin tries to buffer
> up before it starts playing - 5 equates to 32 seconds with Live
> streams and 50 seconds with Listen Again. The buffer will quickly
> build up to about that size after it starts anyway - and it has 6
> seconds while the first buffer is playing out to fetch the second one
> - which it easily manages on my poor broadband connection. If it tries
> to buffer too much before it starts, taking a long time over it,
> something errors before the stream has a chance to start.
Actually, the real reason the streams were often erroring before they
could start was due to a bug in HLS.pm. I don't know if you are
monitoring any of this Triode, but you may want to include this in your
next update. Near the end of HLS.pm:
Code:
if (!${*$self}{'_pl_noupdate'} && time() > ${*$self}{'_pl_fetched'}
+ ${*$self}{'_pl_lastint'}) {
wants to be:
Code:
if (length ${*$self}{'_pl_url'} && !${*$self}{'_pl_noupdate'} &&
time() > ${*$self}{'_pl_fetched'} + ${*$self}{'_pl_lastint'}) {
It still doesn't seem to do any harm in reducing FETCH_CHUNKS to 1 as I
suggested originally. It gives a much faster start-up to the streams -
the start-up time could be a bit variable with 5 chunks. This is because
several async http chunk fetches are launched at once and it is random
which one arrives first - if the first chunk arrives last it will take
longer to start than if the first chunk arrives first. And having
several chunks being fetched simultaneously will slow the first one down
anyway.
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bpa wrote: > There is little point in comparing protocols when one is proprietary, > when shortcomings are found - all Apple needs to do is announce a new > version: no committees to review, discuss, compromise and take lots of > time - I think HLS V5 addresses the issues you highlighted. IIRC BBC > are only using V1 or 2. > > See HLS V7 > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-14.txt Thanks for all the explanation and the history lesson bpa, very useful background to the BBC's decision making. So it looks like we may end up with two "on demand" protocols, HLS and DASH, the former for Apple and the latter for everything else. Hopefully the LMS community will continue to support us getting one or the other ;) Let us hope that after the change to DASH things will settle down for a while. I am so glad I stuck with Squeezebox and LMS and that I did not go for Sonos as I was considering when Logitech abandoned the hardware two and a half years ago (yes it has been that long!). Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Raspberry PI with Squeezeplug & LMS 7.8. Music stored on Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, B&W CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B&W 686 speakers *Study:*piCorePlayer, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
philippe_44 wrote: > ok - the ip : port parameter for upnp is available now (). > The ones for LMS have been since the begining I couldn't get parameter that to work on my system. I've gone round the houses with ports and firewalls and come to the conclusion I still don't fully understand UPNP's needs between renderer and squeeze2upnp. Note also that squeeze2upnp to LMS is a separate issue and only matters if on separate systems. One also needs to make sure the renderer can communicate with LMS. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
utgg wrote: > I must say from a technical viewpoint I think DASH and HDS have > advantages over HLS. While HLS is very simple, it seems to be missing > very useful information at the 'manifest/master-playlist' level. Like > telling if this is on-demand or not, and what the duration is. That > means you actually need to load a playlist potentially listing zillions > of chunks to work out that information. And the playlist information > isn't very accurate (at least not in the version that the BBC are > using). That means that to properly determine the duration of a chunk > you actually need to look at the timing info in the MPEG2 ts data. The > sooner the BBC move on to DASH the better! There is little point in comparing protocols when one is proprietary, when shortcomings are found - all Apple needs to do is announce a new version: no committees to review, discuss, compromise and take lots of time - I think HLS V5 addresses the issues you highlighted. IIRC BBC are only using V1 or 2. See HLS V7 https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-14.txt bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
djfake wrote: > I believe my Beep is connecting at 49152, I have 9000 and 3483 open for > LMS. Firewalls are always a good idea, and the fact that I have to turn > mine off to get sq2u to work, I would also request to a config parameter > for the port(s) to be specified. > > > > That it works well. I spent Monday using it extensively but did have to > restart sq2u a few times during the day, so it must crash or become > unresponsive. Whether this is my Beep or sq2u, I will have to > investigate further. ok - the ip : port parameter for upnp is available now (). The ones for LMS have been since the begining LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne (sort of) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: > To win a war you lose a few battles. > HLS is old this battle was done a few years ago when Android had a > smaller market share than IOS and was missing key media apps > > Without HLS support - lose Android sales to Apple. No HLS is a reason > NOT to buy Android. > With HLS support - more Android sales because HLS stream and associated > apps can be played. > > > For the moment all is OK. BBC could buy a Flash player and play HDS > streams but I tink BBC want to skip a step and go to DASH and at least > get Android and PCs on one systems. > > > Technical is not the issue, what is best is not the issue, there is > commercial strategic decision to be made by Apple. Note who is missing > from Dash Industry Forum http://dashif.org/members/ I must say from a technical viewpoint I think DASH and HDS have advantages over HLS. While HLS is very simple, it seems to be missing very useful information at the 'manifest/master-playlist' level. Like telling if this is on-demand or not, and what the duration is. That means you actually need to load a playlist potentially listing zillions of chunks to work out that information. And the playlist information isn't very accurate (at least not in the version that the BBC are using). That means that to properly determine the duration of a chunk you actually need to look at the timing info in the MPEG2 ts data. The sooner the BBC move on to DASH the better! utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
TheLastMan wrote: > In which case Google shot themselves in the foot by supporting HLS on > Android. With its dominance on mobile and tablet devices HLS and Apple > seem to have stolen a march on the rest of the market for now. > To win a war you lose a few battles. HLS is old this battle was done a few years ago when Android had a smaller market share and IOS and was missing key media apps Without HLS support - lose Android sales to Apple. No HLS is a reason NOT to buy Android. With HLS support - more Android sales because HLS stream and associated apps can be played. > However if Windows browsers continue to shun HLS then, from what you are > saying, the BBC will be doomed to continue supporting RTMP and Flash > unless they are prepared to abandon BBC iPlayer on Windows. For the moment all is OK. BBC could buy a Flash player and play HDS streams but I tink BBC want to skip a step and go to DASH and at least get Android and PCs on one systems. > Can you envisage there ever being a single system that would work on > iOS, OSX, Android and Windows? (oh and Linux as well of course) Technical is not the issue, what is best is not the issue, there is commercial strategic decision to be made by Apple. Note who is missing from Dash Industry Forum http://dashif.org/members/ bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
TheLastMan wrote: > Can you envisage there ever being a single system that would work on > iOS, OSX, Android and Windows? (oh and Linux as well of course) The problem does seem to be more commercial than technical, and from that standpoint I do have empathy for the BBC in pulling this together and understand better why they've gone for HLS as the syndicated streaming protocol. majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: > IMHO Google will do what they can to avoid Apple gaining dominance in > streaming media systems. In which case Google shot themselves in the foot by supporting HLS on Android. With its dominance on mobile and tablet devices HLS and Apple seem to have stolen a march on the rest of the market for now. However if Windows browsers continue to shun HLS then, from what you are saying, the BBC will be doomed to continue supporting RTMP and Flash unless they are prepared to abandon BBC iPlayer on Windows. Now that WOULD create a fracas! Can you envisage there ever being a single system that would work on iOS, OSX, Android and Windows? (oh and Linux as well of course) Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Raspberry PI with Squeezeplug & LMS 7.8. Music stored on Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, B&W CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B&W 686 speakers *Study:*piCorePlayer, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
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TheLastMan wrote: > - iPlayer on your PC and hard wire audio cable from sound card to hi-fi The PC can be something like this plugged into your TV for the screen with a wireless keyboard/mouse. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/cheap-functional-upgradeable-hps-stream-and-pavilion-mini-desktops-reviewed/ bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] announce: squeeze2upnp, a bridge between LMS and uPNP devices
philippe_44 wrote: > sq2u opens a connection with LMS discovery process (3483 and the port > that LMS reports after discovery, usually 9000 are used). It also uses > port 9090 for the command line interface. But these are the destination > port, probably not what you are looking for. There is no port open for > incoming connection for the LMS part. > For the uPnP part, sq2 scans ports 49152+N until it finds an available > port (N starts with 0). On that port, it installs a webserver that > listens to incoming connections from uPnP players to request audio data, > once they've been required to do so. Normally you should not have to > open other ports as other connections to players are outgoing > connections, but I think some have experienced issues. > I've not added yet a config parameter to force the webserver port nor > the NIC to bound sq2u to, but I've received a few requests to do that. I believe my Beep is connecting at 49152, I have 9000 and 3483 open for LMS. Firewalls are always a good idea, and the fact that I have to turn mine off to get sq2u to work, I would also request to a config parameter for the port(s) to be specified. philippe_44 wrote: > > What do you mean by "Playback is without exception" ? That it works well. I spent Monday using it extensively but did have to restart sq2u a few times during the day, so it must crash or become unresponsive. Whether this is my Beep or sq2u, I will have to investigate further. --- www.itjerk.com www.progressiverock.com djfake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102496 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
TheLastMan wrote: > > > Long term the only options for getting LA on your hi-fi are likely to > be: > - iPlayer on your PC and hard wire audio cable from sound card to hi-fi > - Bluetooth streaming from PC / phone / tablet (yuck!) > - Some sort of Wi-fi streaming from a PC (Chromecast, DLNA?) > - LMS and a player of some sort > And other alternatives when things are in chaotic transition and LMS developments haven't yet caught up: - minimserver/streamer for Live radio to DLNA/UPnP players (works very well, but no Listen Again) - PC browser BBCiPlayer to LMS by monitoring local audio using wavein plugin (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?35718-Announce-Wave-Input-plugin-v1-00&p=205598&viewfull=1#post205598 or http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?49584-Announce-WaveInput-for-Linux&p=317707&viewfull=1#post317707), or VLC (or similar) direct or over local network (see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103352-Streaming-to-LMS&p=812298&viewfull=1#post812298) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
TheLastMan wrote: > OK, so is AAC DASH operating system neutral? . Apple has a lock on what can run on iOS. It is said Steve Jobs wanted to break Adobe Flash market dominance and so did not allow Flash on iOS. DASH is a collection of protocols. If the protocols are openly published (with clear licensing as necessary) then protocols are always OS neutral. Apple only openly published HLS as a draft IETF protocol last year. Adobe only openly published RTMP a few years ago. Vendors keep proprietary protocols closed as long as there is a commercial advantage and only make them open if they see there is a commercial advantage. If Apple wants to frustrate DASH then they can close it off to normal users by refusing to support DASH and any players that support DASH. IMHO Google will do what they can to avoid Apple gaining dominance in streaming media systems. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)
Hi! A new Max2Play Update is now available! It adds new Addons, fixes some bugs and can be used by simply clicking the "Update" button in the webinterface. The update is for all versions and projects that use Max2Play (also the Squeezeplug & Max2Play Version). NEW FEATURES: - Addons are now divided into "Free" and "Premium" and can be easily installed on the settings tab of the webinterface. A list of available Extensions can be found here: http://www.max2play.com/en/addons/ - To install premium Addons you need a full License for Max2Play (http://shop.max2play.com/en/max2play-full-license.html) or a customer account in our shop. Therefore we will continue to develop new addons and constantly improve the features and usability. - improved responsive design on smartphones - improved support of USB-Soundcards in squeezelite: in advanced settings of the Audioplayer-tab enable "USB-soundcard" to get equalizer support and simultanous usage of squeezelite and shairport with virtual sound output devices that can be set as soundcard. - added restart button for squeezebox server MOST IMPORTANT ADDONS[/B] (HTTP://WWW.MAX2PLAY.COM/EN/ADDONS/): - ACCESSPOINT: EASILY CREATE A WIFI NETWORK ON YOUR DEVICE. USE IT AS MOBILE PLAYER EVEN WITHOUT LAN-CABLE CONNECTED AND CONTROL IT WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE. - RASPBERRY PI SETTINGS: CHANGE PERFORMANCE SETTINGS AND ENABLE DIFFERENT USB-DACS LIKE HIFI-BERRY OR IQAUDIO [B]BUG FIXES: - problems with squeezelite in Squeezeplug & Max2Play Image fixed - added ntfs-3g driver to support usb-drives with ntfs in Squeezeplug & Max2Play Image WHAT'S UP NEXT? Max2Play changed to a framework with Addons that can be used by other projects (such as squeezeplug) and I encourage people to write own addons that can be intgrated in the standard webinterface. Currently I do some rewriting of the May2Play website to spread the idea of an open framework that helps more people to get easy access to mini-computers such as Rasbperry or Odroid and helps them to easy setup special use cases and control it by smartphone. I also started a facebook page for Max2Play ! This will be used to get ideas for new addons and share announcements on features. If you like Max2Play I would be happy to see you there too: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Max2Play/817243628343674 @AkeTrak: good to see your problem got solved! @Giza2020: just use the equalizer settings on the audioplayer tab of the webinterface and set the soundcard of squeezelite / shairport to "equalizer". Cheers Stefan 2 x Max2Play on ODROID U2/U3 with LMS, Squeezelite, Shairport, XBMC 1 x Squeezebox Receiver 1 x Denon 1713 AVR + Nubert 5.1 System iPeng Max2Play-Image for ODROID: http://shop.max2play.com/de/image-max2play flysurfer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61064 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101856 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: > HLS is supported on all tablets and phones. Chrome on Android supports > HLS - Chrome does not support HLS on other OS. AFAICT HLS is not > supported on PC browsers except Safari. RTMP and HDS is supported on all > PC via Flash.OK, so is AAC DASH operating system neutral? I can see how they would want to go down that route if it meant using the same system for iOS, Android, PC and OSX given the current dogs dinner of proprietary protocols. By the sound of it listen again has now permanently gone as a firmware option for 90% of standalone internet radios and streamers. Long term the only options for getting LA on your hi-fi are likely to be: - iPlayer on your PC and hard wire audio cable from sound card to hi-fi - Bluetooth streaming from PC / phone / tablet (yuck!) - Some sort of Wi-fi streaming from a PC (Chromecast, DLNA?) - LMS and a player of some sort LMS obviously wins hands down on all fronts, not least the ability to sync players. It just needs a continuing group of community minded and experienced developers such as your good self. Sounds like you and/or Triode need to train up an apprentice! Any volunteers? At the thick end of my 50's I am probably a bit old... Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A *'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME) [b]Server:* Raspberry PI with Squeezeplug & LMS 7.8. Music stored on Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, B&W CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B&W 686 speakers *Study:*piCorePlayer, Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: > l[/url] > On the blog page you can follow links to BBC DASH test streams such as > tones. Yes, I'd been having a dabble with the audio part of the Big Buck Bunny DASH streams. Just so I had some idea what DASH was like, as the specs aren't publicly available... utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
utgg wrote: > Changing this line in HLS.pm in Triode's alpha plugin: > > Code: > > use constant FETCH_CHUNKS => 5; # number of chunks to prefetch > > > to: > > Code: > > use constant FETCH_CHUNKS => 1; # number of chunks to prefetch > > > makes the stream start-up completely reliable and fast for me, and the > stream playing is still rock solid. Great suggestion! Many thanks. majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote:
> Andrew Scott's blog comment ("we have never published those (RTMP)
> streams as “syndicated” ... but it turns out that people
> have reverse engineered these streams ... which is against the terms
> under which they are provided") indicates that he believes that we
> shouldn't have them in the first place - probably because the BBC has a
> license for RTMP that specifies its use for iPlayer but not syndication.
> For anyone that's not a party to such license terms, there's nothing to
> stop them from hot-tapping into the streams, but they can't look to the
> BBC for support. I'm just speculating, but it would explain why RTMP is
> a topic the BBC won't discuss.I think you are spot on. Part of the BBC's
> unwillingness to communicate
is that they know in the real world people are busy getting round all
their restrictions and there is little they can do about it. They don't
want to be forced by third parties to change things yet again. They are
probably under an obligation to use "reasonable endeavours" to prevent
use of the streams, and provided they have done that, it is not their
problem if others are trying "unreasonably" hard to get round their
blocking tactics.
If Squeezeboxers want to have a continuing LA service, they should
probably keep their heads down on the BBC forums. Stirring things up
may force the BBC to change tack again. Thanks to BPA et al I now have
Listen Again providing 320 kbps AAC HLS via RTMP using the original
hacks. I even have BPA's Extras plugin working again. That is a lot
better than I had before this crisis and want it to stay that way!
Matt
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SQUEEZEBOXES:[/B] TWO SB DUETS (LIVING ROOM AND KITCHEN) AND A
*'PICOREPLAYER' (HTTPS://SITES.GOOGLE.COM/SITE/PICOREPLAYER/HOME)
[b]Server:* Raspberry PI with Squeezeplug & LMS 7.8. Music stored on
Synology DS214 (2TB) NAS
*Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH
access point
*Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, B&W CM2 speakers
*Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B&W 686 speakers
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
utgg wrote: > There are so many curiosities with what they are doing at the moment. > The weirdest things are with the 'audio-syndication' mediaset which > looks like the mediaset that "hardware internet radios" should be using > - that is what is picked up by Triode's alpha HLS plugin and also it > looks like it used by Pure radios (well at least the Pure Connect app). > Using this mediaset for Listen Again doesn't show the > now-withdrawn-and-soon-to-expire 320kpbs HLS Listen Again streams, which > are available via apple/android devices. So there seems to be deliberate > blocking of the HD 320kbps Listen Again content from other than the BBCs > own players. Even more curious is that this 'audio-syndication' mediaset > provides HDS rather than HLS streams for Live content! That isn't used > by Pure Connect - they are using the MP3 Shoutcast streams for that. All > in all it seems to be a complete mess. Blimey, it looks like a dog's dinner! But what emerges from the murk is that, according to the BBC's recent clarifications, we're in the customer category of syndication without an aggregator, and the product we're due to receive (and that Triode's alpha plugin actually provides) is HLS/AAC. Viewed that way, what are we missing? - is it just the 320 kbps Listen Again streams? majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
PasTim wrote: > The puzzle to me is why they had to withdraw LA RTMP from Internet > Radios, but still use it for PCs. HLS is supported on all tablets and phones. Chrome on Android supports HLS - Chrome does not support HLS on other OS. RTMP and HDS is supported on all PC via Flash. Flash (i.e. RTMP) support on tablets / smartphones was withdrawn by Adobe a few years ago so BBC cannot expect Flash players to be available on newer version or Android/iOS. One of the reasons Youtube moved to HTML5 Flash is also a greater security risk because of its SWF players whereas chunked HTTP is less complex and fewer security issues. Flash is more complex for the server delivering content as it has its own protocol RTMP which is two way compared to HTTP making it harder to deliver content to large number of users (i.e. many more mobile users vs PC users) utgg wrote: > I'd be interested if anyone knows if HDS has actually been used for the > BBC's own flash/brower based iPlayer Listen Again. I've been looking > regularly, and seen no evidence of that happening, but I may have missed > it. > > There are so many curiosities with what they are doing at the moment. The BBC are also looking into DASH over http/2 see http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2015/01/initial-results-from-the-adaptive-media-streaming-over-http-2-trial On the blog page you can follow links to BBC DASH test streams such as tones. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
castalla wrote: > Sometimes it takes several attempts to get a stream to play Changing this line in HLS.pm in Triode's alpha plugin: Code: use constant FETCH_CHUNKS => 5; # number of chunks to prefetch to: Code: use constant FETCH_CHUNKS => 1; # number of chunks to prefetch makes the stream start-up completely reliable and fast for me, and the stream playing is still rock solid. That number means how many chunks of sound the plugin tries to buffer up before it starts playing - 5 equates to 32 seconds with Live streams and 50 seconds with Listen Again. The buffer will quickly build up to about that size after it starts anyway - and it has 6 seconds while the first buffer is playing out to fetch the second one - which it easily manages on my poor broadband connection. If it tries to buffer too much before it starts, taking a long time over it, something errors before the stream has a chance to start. utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
PasTim wrote:
> The puzzle to me is why they had to withdraw LA RTMP from Internet
> Radios, but still use it for PCs. I guess there must be other technical
> differences, but it seems inconsiderate at best.
Andrew Scott's blog comment ("we have never published those (RTMP)
streams as syndicated ... but it turns out that people have reverse
engineered these streams ... which is against the terms under which they
are provided") indicates that he believes that we shouldn't have them in
the first place - probably because the BBC has a license for RTMP that
specifies its use for iPlayer but not syndication. For anyone that's not
a party to such license terms, there's nothing to stop them from
hot-tapping into the streams, but they can't look to the BBC for
support. I'm just speculating, but it would explain why RTMP is a topic
the BBC won't discuss.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: > A commentator has pointed out on the BBC blog that BBC's own iPlayer web > page is now playing Listen Again as RTMP whereas it was HDS. This made > me think about a comment I saw somewhere by the BBC about the > "resilience" of their streams, and I'm wondering whether RTMP might > continue long-term as a backup to "chunked HTTP". Just a thought. We're > fortunate now to have tools in place (not requiring hacks) that provide > Listen Again access to either "chunked HTTP" (as HLS) via Triode's alpha > plugin, or RTMP (at 320kbps for Radio 3) via bpa's BBCiPlayerExtra > plugin. I'd be interested if anyone knows if HDS has actually been used for the BBC's own flash/brower based iPlayer Listen Again. I've been looking regularly, and seen no evidence of that happening, but I may have missed it. There are so many curiosities with what they are doing at the moment. The weirdest things are with the 'audio-syndication' mediaset which looks like the mediaset that "hardware internet radios" should be using - that is what is picked up by Triode's alpha HLS plugin and also it looks like it used by Pure radios (well at least the Pure Connect app). Using this mediaset for Listen Again doesn't show the now-withdrawn-and-soon-to-expire 320kpbs HLS Listen Again streams, which are available via apple/android devices. So there seems to be deliberate blocking of the HD 320kbps Listen Again content from other than the BBCs own players. Even more curious is that this 'audio-syndication' mediaset provides HDS rather than HLS streams for Live content! That isn't used by Pure Connect - they are using the MP3 Shoutcast streams for that. All in all it seems to be a complete mess. utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: > A commentator has pointed out on the BBC blog that BBC's own iPlayer web > page is now playing Listen Again as RTMP whereas it was HDS. This made > me think about a comment I saw somewhere by the BBC about the > "resilience" of their streams, and I'm wondering whether RTMP might > continue long-term as a backup to "chunked HTTP". Just a thought. We're > fortunate now to have tools in place (not requiring hacks) that provide > Listen Again access to either "chunked HTTP" (as HLS) via Triode's alpha > plugin, or RTMP (at 320kbps for Radio 3) via bpa's BBCiPlayerExtra > plugin. The puzzle to me is why they had to withdraw LA RTMP from Internet Radios, but still use it for PCs. I guess there must be other technical differences, but it seems inconsiderate at best. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
A commentator has pointed out on the BBC blog that BBC's own iPlayer web page is now playing Listen Again as RTMP whereas it was HDS. This made me think about a comment I saw somewhere by the BBC about the "resilience" of their streams, and I'm wondering whether RTMP might continue long-term as a backup to "chunked HTTP". Just a thought. We're fortunate now to have tools in place (not requiring hacks) that provide Listen Again access to either "chunked HTTP" (as HLS) via Triode's alpha plugin, or RTMP (at 320kbps for Radio 3) via bpa's BBCiPlayerExtra plugin. majones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
