Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Noah Wood]

Thanks or the tip, I just grabbed this one.  This will be helpful!

On 1/25/06, G Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is also a shareware program out there called Battery Amnesia.
> I've found it pretty good for getting rid of the memory effect on my
> Powerbook 1400.  I cn now get close to 2 hours of "on" time from one
> battery.
>


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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[G Carlson]

There is also a shareware program out there called Battery Amnesia. 
I've found it pretty good for getting rid of the memory effect on my
Powerbook 1400.  I cn now get close to 2 hours of "on" time from one
battery.

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Noah Wood]

Just look in the Apple Extras > Portables

Just double click the battery tool!

P.S. This tip worked great for me!

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[W. Adrian D'Alessio ( FluxStringer )]

-Original Message-
>From: Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Jan 21, 2006 5:12 PM
>To: PowerBooks 
>Subject: Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9
>
>How can I do that?  I really don't want to have to buy another, if
>that's what you mean...
>
>On 1/21/06, W. Adrian D'Alessio ( FluxStringer ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >By the way,  What are some energy saving tips, I don't get more than
>> >30min with my battery.
>> >--
>> >
>>
>> Rebuild the battery.
>>
>
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Can another lister or the originator of the battery rebuild website provide a 
URL here.

It will take days for me to dig out the old email post on this.

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Noah Wood]

How can I do that?  I really don't want to have to buy another, if
that's what you mean...

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>
>
> >
> >By the way,  What are some energy saving tips, I don't get more than
> >30min with my battery.
> >--
> >
>
> Rebuild the battery.
>

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[W. Adrian D'Alessio ( FluxStringer )]

>
>By the way,  What are some energy saving tips, I don't get more than
>30min with my battery.
>--
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Rebuild the battery. 

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Noah Wood]

I just purchased SpeedDoubler and RamDoubler off ebay and I will tell
you how the work as soon as they arrive.  Thanks for all your tips!

By the way,  What are some energy saving tips, I don't get more than
30min with my battery.
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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[W. Adrian D'Alessio ( FluxStringer )]

I'm at a coffee house writing this on my 1400 on wifi.
My machine is a 166 with 40 MB RAM and runs OS 9.1 just fine. 

Not as snappy as 8.6 with low RAM space but I like the features enough to put 
up with the trade off. 
Also some software needs OS 9
A 133 may be better off with 8.6 though. 


-Original Message-
>From: Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Jan 16, 2006 8:51 PM
>To: PowerBooks 
>Subject: 1400 & Mac OS 9
>
>Hello, and first off I would like to announce my re-subscription to
>this mailing list.  I left as my 1400 died but after about 4 months I
>used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
>1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
>smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9. 
>So please give me your thoughts!
>
>PB Info:
>1400cs
>133MHz
>40 MB RAM (Virtual Memory @ 64)
>1 GB Hard Drive
>


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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Howard R. Katz]

CF usage has been discussed here before, but when has that ever stopped 
us?  :)


I used to boot my 5300 from a CF--the 512 has plenty of room to hold a 
system folder, and everything loads faster than the HD.  I actually had 
the system folder on the HD too--when I wanted to use my wifi card--I 
never could get the hang of the location manager, so when I wanted to do 
wifi, I just popped out the CF, and when the PB couldn't find it's defined 
startup device, it defaulted to the next mass storage device, the HD, and 
booted from it.  Worked just fine until the 5300 died and and I didn't 
want to buy a 3rd unit.  (Well, I did end up getting a G4 Powerbook, but I 
still run my PPC'd 520c at home all the time.  :) )


Later.Howard


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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Jerry]

Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:18:18 -0500
From: Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 > Thanks, looks like I'll keep OS 8.6 for now. Anyway does 
RamDoubler really work?

 > I do like OS 8.6 and it runs fast for me, I just need to find a G3 upgrade
 > somewhere.


Noah, I had OS 8.6 on a 1400 w/56MB RAM, went to OS 9.0.4, then 9.1 
for a while, eventually back to OS 8.6 ...


Do get more real Ram !!!

I agree w/ Howard (see below), I think RamDoubler 8 out performs 
Apples Virtual Memory using OS 8.6.

It accomplishes the task in a more efficient manner and is somewhat tweakable
If you do go to OS 9.x, you'll need RamDoubler 9 ...

You could join the LEM Swap List, then place a WTB for a G3 upgrade.
They do pop up occasionally.



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 >> Welcome back, Noah!
 >>
 >> ... curious how you make do with such a smallish hard drive.
 >> ... I'm starting to feel the squeeze. What apps/versions are you
 >> running on your machine?


 Thanks for any insights,

 Richard


This may have been discussed in past posts, but I use a CompactFlash
memory card w/ adapter in one of the PCMCIA slots.
I keep some apps on the card to free up HD space.
The CF card will appear and work as a removable hard drive on your Desktop.

NON removable if you direct Virtual Memory to the CF card ...
BAD stuff will happen if you eject the card while the PB is running !!!

Fry's had a 1 day sale recently, 512 MB CF $20 after rebate, $$ to MBs,
not great compared to a used 4 GB HD, but pretty versatile,
and no lost screws ...

Jerry



Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:34:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Howard R. Katz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

I'm a big fan of both RamDoubler and SpeedDoubler--both work really well
on both my 520c and 5300.  Try and get the last version (ramdoubler 8 and
speeddoubler 8) for best compatibility.

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Howard R. Katz]

I got mine off of ebay.  I just checked there, and while I didn't see any 
copies of Speed Doubler listed, there were several Ram Doubler 8 packages 
listed, a couple for .99, with s/h under $6.00.  Check Item number: 
5854693028 for one that fits that description.


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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Noah Wood]

Where can I find these apps?

On 1/17/06, Howard R. Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a big fan of both RamDoubler and SpeedDoubler--both work really well
> on both my 520c and 5300.  Try and get the last version (ramdoubler 8 and
> speeddoubler 8) for best compatibility.
>
> Later.Howard
>

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Howard R. Katz]

I'm a big fan of both RamDoubler and SpeedDoubler--both work really well 
on both my 520c and 5300.  Try and get the last version (ramdoubler 8 and 
speeddoubler 8) for best compatibility.


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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Noah Wood]

Thanks, it looks like I'll keep OS 8.6 for now. Anyway does RamDoubler
really work?   I do like OS 8.6 and it runs fast for me, I just need
to find a G3 Upgrade somewhere.

On 1/17/06, Richard Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Welcome back, Noah!
>
> I've never run OS 9, so I have no input (other than to say I repeatedly hear
> that it runs kinda slow on a stock 1400). Are you thinking of getting a G3
> upgrade at some point?
>
> What features of OS9 are you really wanting to get? I've considered it, but
> haven't heard any compelling reasons to get off 8.5 yet.
>
> Also, I'm a bit curious how you make do with such a smallish hard drive. I
> get by okay on one about the same size, but I'm more willing than most to
> run older (therefore, smaller) versions of many of my apps. Even at that,
> though, I'm starting to feel the squeeze. What applications (and versions)
> are you running on your machine?
>
> Thanks for any insights,
>
> Richard
>
>
> >From: Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "PowerBooks" 
> >To: "PowerBooks" 
> >Subject: 1400 & Mac OS 9
> >Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:51:47 -0500
> >
> >Hello, and first off I would like to announce my re-subscription to
> >this mailing list.  I left as my 1400 died but after about 4 months I
> >used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
> >1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
> >smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9.
> >So please give me your thoughts!
> >
>
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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

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Welcome back, Noah!

I've never run OS 9, so I have no input (other than to say I repeatedly hear 
that it runs kinda slow on a stock 1400). Are you thinking of getting a G3 
upgrade at some point?


What features of OS9 are you really wanting to get? I've considered it, but 
haven't heard any compelling reasons to get off 8.5 yet.


Also, I'm a bit curious how you make do with such a smallish hard drive. I 
get by okay on one about the same size, but I'm more willing than most to 
run older (therefore, smaller) versions of many of my apps. Even at that, 
though, I'm starting to feel the squeeze. What applications (and versions) 
are you running on your machine?


Thanks for any insights,

Richard



From: Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "PowerBooks" 
Subject: 1400 & Mac OS 9
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:51:47 -0500

Hello, and first off I would like to announce my re-subscription to
this mailing list.  I left as my 1400 died but after about 4 months I
used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9.
So please give me your thoughts!



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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[yersinia]

Noah writes,



Welcome back, Noah.  :-)

Now...uh, well...since you say your 1400 is running smoothly on 8.6 and 
you like it, and I notice that there's so little difference between OS 
8.6 and OS 9, I'd ask you, why bother upgrading? I say this from having 
run 8.6 on a Powerbook 5300c and 9.2.2 on a G3 Beige Desktop. The ONLY 
difference I ever noted between these two OS's at all is that 9.2.2 is a 
faster bootup with a snappier running Finder and apps open faster on 
9.2.2 than on 8.6, but that could also be on account of the G3 having a 
faster processor and more RAM than the 5300 (100 vs. 266 MHz, 40 MB vs. 
256 MB at the time). No, I never tried to put OS 9 on the 5300 -- listers 
here said it would crawl on 9.1, and I decided, no thank you.

Then again, I also recall that OS 9.1 on the G3 was also a slow bootup 
and sometimes sluggish, certainly in comparison to 9.2.2 (I updated to 
9.2.2 because G-listers in droves were saying my G3 would "perk up" if I 
did, and they were right) -- and so far as I'm aware, OS 9.1 is the 
highest OS even a jazzed-up 1400 can run at all...otherwise I'd suggest 
you try 9.2.2, which is the OS I like best.

Well, great to have you back on the list, and good luck!

~Yersinia.



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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[mike chew]

Try to max out the RAM to 64 Mb and RamDoubler x2 to 128 Mb, mike.

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>From: Krow Magnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9
>Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 2:16 PM
>

> On 1/16/06, Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello, and first off I would like to announce my re-subscription to
>> this mailing list.  I left as my 1400 died but after about 4 months I
>> used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
>> 1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
>> smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9.
>> So please give me your thoughts!
>>
>> PB Info:
>> 1400cs
>> 133MHz
>> 40 MB RAM (Virtual Memory @ 64)
>> 1 GB Hard Drive
>>
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> I've tried OS 9.1 on all three of the 1400 flavors and even with 64MB
> of RAM they don't run nealry as quick as with OS 8.6. I have always
> put OS 8.6 back on the 1400's because it they were too slow.
>
> Without a G3 upgrade in a 1400 it will not handle OS 9 very well.
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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

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In a message dated 1/16/2006 11:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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> Hello, and first off I would like to announce my re-subscription to
>  this mailing list.  I left as my 1400 died but after about 4 months I
>  used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
>  1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
>  smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9. 
>  So please give me your thoughts!

I agree with the other listers; without a G3 upgrade in your 1400, running 
OS9  , while certainly possible (a friend has it on his 5300ce!) , is not going 
to set any speed records. A 233mhz G3 processor should be in the $50 range 
now, or even cheaper is the 183mhz PPC upgrade, if you can find one.

I would also say get yourself the RAM module you need to boost your onboard 
RAM up to the max 64mb. Then, instead of using virtual, get yourself a copy of 
RAM Doubler. That at least makes the 64mb ceiling possible to deal with.

Finally, apart from some high-end things, 8.6 and 9.0 seem pretty much the 
same to me, although admittedly I may not know what I am talking about. I 
remember I once was interesed in putting iTunes on my main Powerbook, and 
contemplated moving to OS9, but then I found a patch that would allow iTunes to 
be used 
it 8.6.

Anyway, good luck, and have fun! Patiently upgrading is half the excitement 
of resurrecting old 'books!

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

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> I've tried OS 9.1 on all three of the 1400 flavors and even with 64MB
> of RAM they don't run nealry as quick as with OS 8.6. I have always
> put OS 8.6 back on the 1400's because it they were too slow.
> 
> Without a G3 upgrade in a 1400 it will not handle OS 9 very well.

Agreed. However, with a G3, I *do* recommend OS 9, especially if you have
full RAM. I ran 9.1 on my 1400+G3/333 and it wasn't too bad.

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

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On 1/16/06, Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, and first off I would like to announce my re-subscription to
> this mailing list.  I left as my 1400 died but after about 4 months I
> used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
> 1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
> smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9.
> So please give me your thoughts!
>
> PB Info:
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> 133MHz
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I've tried OS 9.1 on all three of the 1400 flavors and even with 64MB
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put OS 8.6 back on the 1400's because it they were too slow.

Without a G3 upgrade in a 1400 it will not handle OS 9 very well.
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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

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My Reply follows quote. On 16/01/2006 17:51 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>Hello, and first off I would like to announce my re-subscription to
>this mailing list.  I left as my 1400 died but after about 4 months I
>used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
>1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
>smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9. 
>So please give me your thoughts!
>
>PB Info:
>1400cs
>133MHz
>40 MB RAM (Virtual Memory @ 64)
>1 GB Hard Drive
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About the same as my machine. Loads slowly, but works fine.
The hard drive will be a bit cramped.

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Re: 1400 & Mac OS 9

[Caleb Cupples]

With those specs, I would clearly advise upgrading the RAM in your 
1400. It really takes 64 MB of RAM to really make 9 sing, at the least. 
Of course, I haven't run 9 on anything less than a G3 Lombard with 192 
MB of RAM and the 400 MHz processor, so I can't speak for a 1400.


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used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9.
So please give me your thoughts!

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1400 & Mac OS 9

[Noah Wood]

Hello, and first off I would like to announce my re-subscription to
this mailing list.  I left as my 1400 died but after about 4 months I
used it and it started to work.  Now I have the urge to upgrade my
1400 to Mac OS 9.  At the moment I have Mac OS 8.6 and it runs
smoothly and I like it, but I like some of the features of Mac OS 9. 
So please give me your thoughts!

PB Info:
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Re: Netscape 7 for Mac OS 8/9

[Yersinia]

Bruce Johnson writes,



Okay, thanks.



I was able to do this. It's downloading now as a " " file. 41 minutes 
left to go and I should have it.

Thanks Bruce,

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Re: Netscape 7 for Mac OS 8/9

[PETE]

Do this: Get internet explorer 5.1.7, install it and
then launch it and go download netscape 7.x. That was
the only way I was able to download 7.x to my
wallstreet. I too kept getting that annoying 'type
octet' message.
Pete.
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> Manfred writes,
> 
>  
> http://www.netscape.ca/browsers/7/download/index.jsp
> 
> and click "MAC OS 9 users click here">
> 
> Okay, thank you.  :-) Just tried to download it, but
> I got a strange 
> prompt and then some instructions I don't know what
> to do with. Here goes:
> 
> The prompt, which I wrote down,  said "You have
> started to download the 
> file "Netscape-mac-full.bin" of the type
> "application/octet stream." 
> Click "More Info" to learn how to extend Navigator's
> capabilities.  (Yes, 
> I already have Netscape, but it's 4.75, and that's
> why I want 7.) Anyway, 
>  I clicked "More Info" and was sent to a web page
> which told me I needed 
> a  plug-in and offered a plug-in search.  So my
> question now becomes,
> 
> What plug-in do I have to find and download to be
> able to download and 
> use the Netscape 7?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> ~Yersinia.
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Re: Netscape 7 for Mac OS 8/9

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On Nov 24, 2004, at 9:32 AM, Yersinia wrote:
The prompt, which I wrote down,  said "You have started to download the
file "Netscape-mac-full.bin" of the type "application/octet stream."
Download is what you want to do. That's the MacBinary installer. Just 
save it to your hard drive.

What plug-in do I have to find and download to be able to download and
use the Netscape 7?
None, select 'Save to disk' if offered, or click and hold on the link 
and select 'save link as', and make sure the type in the following 
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Re: Netscape 7 for Mac OS 8/9

[Yersinia]

Manfred writes,

http://www.netscape.ca/browsers/7/download/index.jsp

and click "MAC OS 9 users click here">

Okay, thank you.  :-) Just tried to download it, but I got a strange 
prompt and then some instructions I don't know what to do with. Here goes:

The prompt, which I wrote down,  said "You have started to download the 
file "Netscape-mac-full.bin" of the type "application/octet stream." 
Click "More Info" to learn how to extend Navigator's capabilities.  (Yes, 
I already have Netscape, but it's 4.75, and that's why I want 7.) Anyway, 
 I clicked "More Info" and was sent to a web page which told me I needed 
a  plug-in and offered a plug-in search.  So my question now becomes,

What plug-in do I have to find and download to be able to download and 
use the Netscape 7?

TIA,

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Re: Netscape 7 for Mac OS 8/9 (was Re: Trackpad vs. Mouse...)

[Manfred]

Go there:

http://www.netscape.ca/browsers/7/download/index.jsp

and click "MAC OS 9 users click here"


> Now if you, or any fellow lister, can direct me to the download of 
> Netscape 7 for OS 8/9, I'd really appreciate it. 
> 
> Thank you  :-D

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Netscape 7 for Mac OS 8/9 (was Re: Trackpad vs. Mouse...)

[Yersinia]

manfred writes,

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en&categoryid=5

Yes, IE 5.1.7 ist the best browser for MacOS 8-9.x. Also Quicktimeplugin
and Flash/Shockwaveplugin are working.>

I'm sorry, I must have made the mistake of not being specific enough. I 
asked for an URL where the download was for Netscape 7 for OS 8/9. I 
don't use Microsoft anything on either of my Macs.  I did try IE 5 since 
it came with my OS 9.1 and I hated it, so I threw it in the Trash.

Now if you, or any fellow lister, can direct me to the download of 
Netscape 7 for OS 8/9, I'd really appreciate it. 

Thank you  :-D

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Re: Virtual PC 2 and Mac OS

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I have used VPC 2 with OS 8.1 on my PB 1400 with 64 megs of RAM.

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Virtual PC 2 Mac OS 9.1

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Has anyone tried to run Virtual PC 1 or 2 on a 3400c with 9.1? Has 
anyone been able to run Virtual PC 1 or 2 on any Mac OS?

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Re: PowerBook 1400cs & Mac OS 8

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Well, the CD is a bit old and its been fumbled around a bit.  I'll get
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Re: PowerBook 1400cs & Mac OS 8

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Well, I was just fumbling with the installer, and I found that the
Trackpad control panel is causing the problems. I got the system
installed, works great, the CD isnt machine specific. I know the error
you're referring to, but that's only if you don't dig deep enough. If
you go through the Full Install Pieces folder, the whole Mac OS 8
installer is there.
Well you learn something new every day!  I didn't know the workaround 
was _that_ easy...  I'm glad you got the installer working.  Can you 
now just unpack the Trackpad control panel from the Tome manually or 
is it totally corrupted?  It seems odd that a system installer would 
have that particular problem - you'd think Apple would have 
discovered that in testing...

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Re: PowerBook 1400cs & Mac OS 8

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Trackpad control panel is causing the problems.  I got the system
installed, works great, the CD isnt machine specific.  I know the error
you're referring to, but that's only if you don't dig deep enough.  If
you go through the Full Install Pieces folder, the whole Mac OS 8
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Re: PowerBook 1400cs & Mac OS 8

[Dana Collins]

Hello Joe,
You have the wrong CD for your unit. OS Install CDs will generally come in
two flavors, retail versions (which recognizes all targeted units as
supported, and will install the OS on any of them), and machine-specific
versions, which are shipped with the unit, and are intended to be used only
for the target unit's model type (these CDs have an OS enabler of sorts in
their system folder that, iirc, communicate with the unit's ROM type to
establish recognition). Your CD is expecting a G3 unit - I am surprised that
you get as far as you do in the install process - most of my colleagues that
have tried your route usually receive an error message just after clicking
the install button.

Cast your net out over the swap-list, requesting a retail version of OS 8.1
to buy.
Best regards,
Dana
On 4/3/04 5:17 PM, Joe of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent

> I have a PowerBook 1400cs and a PowerMac G3 CD.  On the CD, there is the
> Full Install Pieces folder, and there is an installer.  When I do the
> Easy Install, the installer fails mid-way when it says "Finishing
> Installation...".  When I do a Custom Installation and choose Core
> System Software, the install goes perfectly, but the system is useless,
> as it has no functionality.  Is this a CD issue or an issue of a screwed
> up computer?
> 
> 


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PowerBook 1400cs & Mac OS 8

[Joe]

I have a PowerBook 1400cs and a PowerMac G3 CD.  On the CD, there is the
Full Install Pieces folder, and there is an installer.  When I do the
Easy Install, the installer fails mid-way when it says "Finishing
Installation...".  When I do a Custom Installation and choose Core
System Software, the install goes perfectly, but the system is useless,
as it has no functionality.  Is this a CD issue or an issue of a screwed
up computer?



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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[macdaniel3400c]

>Would 9.2.2 be feasable on a 5300?  Anyone using it?
>
>I'm thinking with a max RAM of 64MB that it would be difficult.


Of course its perfectly possible.

However in my opinion it would be absolutely terrible.  Why would you want
to do this?



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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[Daniel De L'eau]

Would 9.2.2 be feasable on a 5300?  Anyone using it?

I'm thinking with a max RAM of 64MB that it would be difficult.


>Actually I'm running 9.2.2 on my 3400c 240mhz ram maxed out and it's
>quite a bit zippier than 8.6 or 9.1. The finder is much, much faster.
>I would recommend at least trying 9.2.2 if you can.
>
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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[KG]

> I tried it twice on both a 3400/240 and a 200 with clean installs and
> it was great EXCEPT that it reliably crashed on shut-down 4 times out
> of 5. So back to 9.1 for me.

For me, 9.2.2 crashed quite often; for one thing, it didn't seem to play
nice with MSN Messenger at all, and even crashed when I was on the Web
sometimes. But the problems went away when I re-blessed my 9.1 system folder
and just dropped in the 9.2 Finder, OT and TCP/IP components. It's more
responsive than an ordinary 9.1 and stable. You might try that to see if it
works for you...some people report that this configuration is flaky for
them, too.

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[VidaVerde]

Actually I'm running 9.2.2 on my 3400c 240mhz ram maxed out and it's 
quite a bit zippier than 8.6 or 9.1. The finder is much, much 
faster. I would recommend at least trying 9.2.2 if you can.

gs
I tried it twice on both a 3400/240 and a 200 with clean installs and 
it was great EXCEPT that it reliably crashed on shut-down 4 times out 
of 5. So back to 9.1 for me.

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[Dan Palka]

I never tried any of the cardbus cards with 7.6.1, and I'm pretty sure 
they wont work.

If you're 3400c is like your main or only machine then maybe you should 
stick with OS 9.  however if you really want to make it seem fast and 
you  have other machines to use instead of the 3400c I very much so 
enjoy system 7.6.1.

Its good for when i take the 3400c to starbucks or my college library 
or somewhere i feel another computer user may be interested in finding 
out what it is I'm using.  System 7.6.1 keeps it fast and impressive 
feeling (speed wise).

On Mar 15, 2004, at 5:15 PM, gsabreu wrote:

I really liked your page. I too have a 3400c 240mhz and I'm currently
running 9.2.2 and ydl 3.0. (actually I'm still a newbie) can you still 
use
your pcmcia cards with 7.6.1? I have usb working on mine and I'm not a 
power
user, but I might be willing to try 7.6.1 for the speed also. However I
don't think my usb printer will work with 7.


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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

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On 3/14/04 3:47 PM, "macdaniel3400c" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I guess that means I have to fork over some more cash to Billy then,
>> ah, crap!!!
> 
> Try asking on the OSX list if there is one or G-List
> 
> Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure a second company has announced
> a PC emulator for Macs, that is G5 compatible, and isn't Microsoft,
> fairly recently.
Dan,

I really liked your page. I too have a 3400c 240mhz and I'm currently
running 9.2.2 and ydl 3.0. (actually I'm still a newbie) can you still use
your pcmcia cards with 7.6.1? I have usb working on mine and I'm not a power
user, but I might be willing to try 7.6.1 for the speed also. However I
don't think my usb printer will work with 7.


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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[macdaniel3400c]

>I guess that means I have to fork over some more cash to Billy then, 
>ah, crap!!!

Try asking on the OSX list if there is one or G-List

Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure a second company has announced 
a PC emulator for Macs, that is G5 compatible, and isn't Microsoft, 
fairly recently.

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[Jason R]

I guess that means I have to fork over some more cash to Billy then, 
ah, crap!!!
On Mar 14, 2004, at 16:38, macdaniel3400c wrote:

I went to your site, and WOW, what a machine!!
So do you know of anyo other windows emulator type stuff that is not
Microsoft, perhaps with osx compatability, as I havent got anything
between my powerbook 160 and my powerbook g4 12" DVI?
On Mar 14, 2004, at 16:17, macdaniel3400c wrote:
Something called the Bochs emulator I tried once it can also be freely
downloaded but I forget where try a google search.
All of the free emulators are really crummy and slow though compared to
Virtual PC.
For example, when I had my 3400c runnign Blue Label Power emulator it 
was
pretty slow.  But once I found a copy of Virtual PC 3.0, it works 
great!

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

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>I went to your site, and WOW, what a machine!!

Oh, and, thanks for the comment!

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[macdaniel3400c]

>I went to your site, and WOW, what a machine!!
>So do you know of anyo other windows emulator type stuff that is not 
>Microsoft, perhaps with osx compatability, as I havent got anything 
>between my powerbook 160 and my powerbook g4 12" DVI?
>On Mar 14, 2004, at 16:17, macdaniel3400c wrote:

Something called the Bochs emulator I tried once it can also be freely 
downloaded but I forget where try a google search.

All of the free emulators are really crummy and slow though compared to 
Virtual PC.

For example, when I had my 3400c runnign Blue Label Power emulator it was 
pretty slow.  But once I found a copy of Virtual PC 3.0, it works great!

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[Jason R]

I went to your site, and WOW, what a machine!!
So do you know of anyo other windows emulator type stuff that is not 
Microsoft, perhaps with osx compatability, as I havent got anything 
between my powerbook 160 and my powerbook g4 12" DVI?
On Mar 14, 2004, at 16:17, macdaniel3400c wrote:

I did try 9.2.2.. and yeah it was quite fast finder response was
excellent in 9.2.2, better than all of the other 9s.
It was very RAM hungry though, and crashed alot especially with PCMCIA
cards installed.
I made a whole page about it, and other fairly neat stuff I've done 
with
my 3400c (including getting my iPod to fully work)...

http://www.palkasoft.com/hooper/   is the site if anybody is interested
in that.
Actually I'm running 9.2.2 on my 3400c 240mhz ram maxed out and it's
quite a bit zippier than 8.6 or 9.1. The finder is much, much faster.
I would recommend at least trying 9.2.2 if you can.
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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[macdaniel3400c]

I did try 9.2.2.. and yeah it was quite fast finder response was 
excellent in 9.2.2, better than all of the other 9s.

It was very RAM hungry though, and crashed alot especially with PCMCIA 
cards installed.

I made a whole page about it, and other fairly neat stuff I've done with 
my 3400c (including getting my iPod to fully work)...

http://www.palkasoft.com/hooper/   is the site if anybody is interested 
in that.

>Actually I'm running 9.2.2 on my 3400c 240mhz ram maxed out and it's 
>quite a bit zippier than 8.6 or 9.1. The finder is much, much faster. 
>I would recommend at least trying 9.2.2 if you can.

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[Gerald]

Actually I'm running 9.2.2 on my 3400c 240mhz ram maxed out and it's 
quite a bit zippier than 8.6 or 9.1. The finder is much, much faster. 
I would recommend at least trying 9.2.2 if you can.

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[KG]

> I have a 5300c, and have run 7.6.1, 8.1, and 8.6 on it.  7.6.1 can feel
quite slow, and I think that it's due to Apple's >poor emulation of
non-power PC code.  I purchased Connectix SpeedDoubler and it completely
changed the way >7.6.1 felt; it was MUCH faster in opening windows and
copying and everything else they claim speeddoubler does.  >It's an older
version so I wasn't able to use it on OS 8.x, but I can tell you that
running Quicken 2000 (a power-pc >native app) felt faster with 8.6 than with
8.1, maybe because 8.6 is completely power-pc native.

A 5300c, if it has enough RAM, is definitely faster running OS 8.x than 7.x
unless you have Speed Doubler. In my experience, the best combination for a
5300 is to run OS 8.1 with Speed Doubler 8 installed. The problem is that
Apple's emulator needs an L2 cache to function properly, and of course,
that's something a 5300 doesn't have. SpeedDoubler, among other things, is a
rewrite of some parts of the emulator to make it function better, and is
invaluable on a 5300. It will help a 3400 running OS 7.6 or even 8.1, but
nowhere near to the extent it helps a 5300 (or a cacheless 1400c/117).

The ideal setup for a 3400 would probably be to run 8.6 on it, but I've
settled on an optimized 9.1 install because unlike Dan, my 3400c/240 is by
far the best laptop I own, and I need to make Hooper jump through hoops.

I can't figure out if Kanga supports 7.6 or not; different sources disagree
on that subject. Oh well, one of these days I guess I'll just buy one and
find out for myself.

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[Daniel De L'eau]

I have a 5300c, and have run 7.6.1, 8.1, and 8.6 on it.  7.6.1 can feel quite slow, and I think that it's due to Apple's poor emulation of non-power PC code.  I purchased Connectix SpeedDoubler and it completely changed the way 7.6.1 felt; it was MUCH faster in opening windows and copying and everything else they claim speeddoubler does.  It's an older version so I wasn't able to use it on OS 8.x, but I can tell you that running Quicken 2000 (a power-pc native app) felt faster with 8.6 than with 8.1, maybe because 8.6 is completely power-pc native.

I still prefer using 8.6 because, while it takes five minutes to boot, and feels sluggish with opening windows and such, it crashed far less often than 7.6, thus more than making up for the time it takes to boot.  It just sleeps most of the time anyway, so the booting thing doesn't bother me.

Anyway, try SpeedDoubler!





I am actually surprised that 8.1 doesn't run faster than 7.6 on a 3400 with
maxed-out RAM. I have tried them both on a 5300 and 8.1 always seemed more
responsive to me, so I kept it there. I guess with the L2 cache, a 3400 can
emulate old code faster than it can execute the code in 8.1.
I wonder how fast 7.6 runs on a Kanga G3? I bet it would laugh at it.



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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[Dan Palka]

I don't think thats possible.

7.6.1 definetely boots faster than 8 (without a doubt).

Everything on 7.6.1 feels faster except the window redraws.

On Mar 13, 2004, at 11:17 AM, KG wrote:

I am actually surprised that 8.1 doesn't run faster than 7.6 on a 3400 
with
maxed-out RAM. I have tried them both on a 5300 and 8.1 always seemed 
more
responsive to me, so I kept it there. I guess with the L2 cache, a 
3400 can
emulate old code faster than it can execute the code in 8.1.

I wonder how fast 7.6 runs on a Kanga G3? I bet it would laugh at it.


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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[KG]

> It is very fast.  It feels great to have it running as fast as it was
> when it was "the fastest notebook computer the world has ever seen"

I am actually surprised that 8.1 doesn't run faster than 7.6 on a 3400 with
maxed-out RAM. I have tried them both on a 5300 and 8.1 always seemed more
responsive to me, so I kept it there. I guess with the L2 cache, a 3400 can
emulate old code faster than it can execute the code in 8.1.

I wonder how fast 7.6 runs on a Kanga G3? I bet it would laugh at it.

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

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>Running 7.6, I bet your 3400 feels as fast as a G4. I could never do it,
>though; I like the features in OS 9 too much.

It is very fast.  It feels great to have it running as fast as it was 
when it was "the fastest notebook computer the world has ever seen"

OS9 running on the 3400c wasn't worth the slowness and memory hogging.

System 7 I've found to be able to do everything that I want when I'm away 
from my OSX machine, including 802.11b networking, AIM, MS Office 98, 
photoshop, email, and web browsing (via  iCab).  Each new release of iCab 
is better and better.

I don't expect my 3400c to do anything amazing, so I don't feel like 
using OS9 anymore.  If I need to do anything that system 7 cant do I have 
my G3 (huzza!!)

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Re: 3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[KG]

> Why would 7.6.1 redraw slower than 8?  Especially since everything else
> runs much faster.

I would suspect that 7.6.1 just doesn't do QuickDraw acceleration as well as
8.1 would.

Running 7.6, I bet your 3400 feels as fast as a G4. I could never do it,
though; I like the features in OS 9 too much.

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3400c & Mac OS 7.6.1 - Slow Window Redraws

[Dan Palka]

So I got my 3400c running 7.6.1 now and it's super duper.  Everything 
is fast and its pretty stable.

Only one thing bugs me and that is that windows seem to redraw slowly 
if I move a window from one location to another.  Mac OS 8 didn't do 
this - window redraws were immediate.  But in 7.6.1 I can actually see 
the window redrawing (although if you blink  you'll miss it - but its 
still pretty annoying).  Is there a way to make this snappier like it 
is in 8 and above?

Why would 7.6.1 redraw slower than 8?  Especially since everything else 
runs much faster.

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archos jukebox recorder v2 and mac os 8.6 yay!

[H]

Okay, I have learned a lot today... for the posterity
of the list, here goes:

Does it work? YES! Well, I knew it did, because I got
the device to load on my pb 3400 this morning, using a
macally usb card under usb 1.1, and I copied files to
it.  Those files stared at me all day as I tried all
kinds of nonsense trying to get any of the macs at
home to mount the thing.

So finally after posting unanswered help messages to
every list that seemed relevant, I just started
digging in my reference books and sniffing around in
the apple support docs.  The whole thing was about
having the device formatted with a "fat32" format,
which pc exchange has been able to deal with since ver
2.1 under mac os 8.1. Well, according to the
documentation, the device only works when it is
formatted as a fat32, and so it presumably came
formatted correctly because I was able to mount it and
open it at least once, and I really couldn't imagine
that connecting it to my pb just once caused some
catastrophic file fragmentation. I know how to unmount
media, and I'm very careful about it.

So I pulled out the usb card, rebooted the pb, made
sure everything came up and that all the right
extensions were in place, then I rebooted it again. Re
mounted the usb card, then remounted the device.  

One difference -- I did NOT connect the ac adapter. 
Actually, I just plain forgot. It took a minute (it's
a 20G drive...) but it mounted right up as if nothing
had happened.  

Now the manual says ALWAYS use the ac adapter when
connected via usb, and I know that when copying gigs
and gigs of data you can have heavy battery use, so
I'm going to keep that in mind. But on closer
inspection the manual also said the ajbrv2 would only
work under 9.22. :P 

I was also able to get it to mount and trade files
with the iMac, but of course that's gossip for another
list.  So anyways, if anyone is considering a fancy
dancy usb 2.0 based drive device, have heart and trust
good ol pc exchange with fat32 "pc" formatted media.

H

but I repeated this several times, and also got it to
work on the iMac.

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Re: MP3 Player for Mac OS 8.1

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Illivox Media writes,



Hmmm, OK, I'll go to Google and look for this. Thank you.  :-)

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Re: MP3 Player for Mac OS 8.1

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on 12/15/03 4:18 AM, Yersinia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>(wants an mp3 player free for a primitive OS on a primitive desktop...)

As many have said, SoundAppPPC.


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Re: MP3 Player for Mac OS 8.1

[Yersinia]

Andrew Kershaw writes,



My PB is a 190 on OS 7.5.2. However, what I actually want the MP3 for is 
my 7200/120. The reason I posed the question here is because not only am 
I already on this list, but I see that my fellow PB owners here are using 
OS 7.x to 9.x, as I am. My 7200 is on OS 8.1, which obviously falls in 
this OS range, so I figured if there was a free MP3 player in this OS 
range working for any of you guys on your PBs it would work for me on my 
7200. I don't want to put MP3 on the PB because the PB is my portable 
word-processor (I LOVE being able to go out to the park on a nice day and 
write, or take it with me when I go away for a weekend and suspect I 
might have "down time" to be able to write)...Any downloading or music 
related stuff (right now I want a few Christmas carols to have while I 
"twist" their lyrics around, hee hee) I'd do would be at home on the 7200.



Er, uh, well, thanks anyway. This (an MP3 player) is something I'd 
consider nice to have, but isn't anything I'm so desperate to have that 
I'd want to actually spend money on it -- I really only want it to do my 
twisted Christmas songs.

I appreciate your reply.

~Yersinia.

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Re: MP3 Player for Mac OS 8.1

[Andrew Kershaw]

What type of PowerBook do you have again?  It'll make a difference in 
what you want to use...

68k PowerBooks can run MpegDec, but shouldn't expect full real-time 
44.1 kHz 128-bit playback.
Low end PowerPC PowerBooks (5300, unupgraded 1400s) might want to use 
SoundApp PPC.  It doesn't have the prettiest interface, but it's 
hands-down the lowest resource intensive, yet most capable audio file 
player out there.  Basically, if you've got a file that contains some 
sort of encoded audio and SoundApp can't play it, it can't be played 
on a Mac.
Mid range PowerBooks (3400, Kanga) can use iTunes with some success. 
You'll probably need OS 8.6 at least, though.

Other than that, there are a handful of players which aren't free 
that I like.  My favorite is Audion, which I've used nearly every day 
for going on more than three years...

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MP3 Player for Mac OS 8.1

[Yersinia]

Greetings, listers,

I'm wondering if any of you have or know where I can download a free MP3 
player which will run on Mac OS 8.1. We tried Cabrio (supposedly for use 
on OS 7x-9x) but several downloading attempts resulted in corrupted 
copies when we tried to open them. The download process in all cases went 
well, it's just that the files were corrupt when they got here.

If you have a working Cabrio you can email me, great. If not (I give up 
on downloading it from the web), can you steer me to a different MP3 
player compatible with my OS?

TIA,
~Yersinia.

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

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somewhere near the temporal coordinates of 10/14/03 4:56 PM, the entity
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> I'm using MSIE 5.1.6 under OS 9.2.1 and I'm not getting any error dialog
> boxes.  I just checked about four sites that I used to get a lot of pop-ups
> and banner ads and they're all gone!  I'm going to do this on my PowerBook
> 3400 at home tonight.

Ah.  Perhaps they've fixed this in more recent versions.  I'd given up on it
back in the 5.0 versions and figured the minor upgrades since wouldn't have
fixed the problem.

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Tom Roth]

I'm using MSIE 5.1.6 under OS 9.2.1 and I'm not getting any error dialog boxes.  I 
just checked about four sites that I used to get a lot of pop-ups and banner ads and 
they're all gone!  I'm going to do this on my PowerBook 3400 at home tonight.

Does anyone know the URL of a really bad pop-up site?  I recall coming across one last 
month due to a typo that I must have had four pop-ups come up at once and then as you 
would close one another would pop-up.  I don't remember what the URL was though.

-tom

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> Subject:  Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9
> 
> on 10/14/03 3:43 PM, Tom Roth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Actually I didn't get any of those errors.  Just blank spots where ads used to
> > be and hardly any pop-ups.
> > 
> > There are some typos in that list the Luca provided the URL for and many
> > duplicates <http://www.mikey-san.net/blacklist.txt>.  I've gone though the
> > list and added some of my own that I was getting.  If anyone would like the
> > final version I'd be happy to email it to you or if the moderators don't mind
> > I could post it to the PowerBooks list.  Moderators?
> > 
> 
> What browser are you using?  With IE, it just isn't worth it because for
> every graphic or popup that tries to access something on the blacklist, IE
> throws an error dialog that says, in effect (I don't remember the exact
> words), "Host not found".  I'm pretty sure Netscape did that too, but I've
> not used recent versions because the 4.x ones were so bad.
> 
> I found using the Hosts file in this way is actually counter-productive, as
> it ends up putting a window in your way even in some cases where a window
> wouldn't normally pop open.
> 
> - Eric.
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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

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on 10/14/03 3:43 PM, Tom Roth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Actually I didn't get any of those errors.  Just blank spots where ads used to
> be and hardly any pop-ups.
> 
> There are some typos in that list the Luca provided the URL for and many
> duplicates .  I've gone though the
> list and added some of my own that I was getting.  If anyone would like the
> final version I'd be happy to email it to you or if the moderators don't mind
> I could post it to the PowerBooks list.  Moderators?
> 

What browser are you using?  With IE, it just isn't worth it because for
every graphic or popup that tries to access something on the blacklist, IE
throws an error dialog that says, in effect (I don't remember the exact
words), "Host not found".  I'm pretty sure Netscape did that too, but I've
not used recent versions because the 4.x ones were so bad.

I found using the Hosts file in this way is actually counter-productive, as
it ends up putting a window in your way even in some cases where a window
wouldn't normally pop open.

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Luca Rescigno]

Another note - if you want the altered hosts file to work in OS X, 
there are some steps you have to do:

1. Open the hosts file in pico using the sudo command so you can get 
root privileges for the purposes of saving. Normally etc/hosts cannot 
be overwritten, but if you type "sudo pico hosts" instead of just "pico 
hosts" it will give you root privileges. Just be careful! If you mess 
things up as root, you may have to reinstall the OS!

2. Make sure you're saving over the previous hosts file instead of in a 
different place. In pico, this involves hitting control-T (to files) 
and using the browser to locate the original Hosts file. You have to 
select Hosts in the file listing and hit return, and it should ask you 
if you want to overwrite. Type "y" for yes and it will do so. As far as 
I know you'll have to do this every time you save your modifications 
(i.e. whenever you add another host).

3. You have to open Directory Access and enable BSD Flat Files before 
it'll work in OS X. Directory Access is located in 
Applications/Utilities/ in the default OS X installation. Just check 
the box and click Apply, then quit. It should work. If not, try 
quitting and starting up your browser. Then go back and check to make 
sure you did all the steps correctly. If you did, it SHOULD work, 
although I've had some problems. They mainly come from not saving the 
hosts file over the old hosts file.

Luca

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Tom Roth]

Actually I didn't get any of those errors.  Just blank spots where ads used to be and 
hardly any pop-ups.

There are some typos in that list the Luca provided the URL for and many duplicates 
<http://www.mikey-san.net/blacklist.txt>.  I've gone though the list and added some of 
my own that I was getting.  If anyone would like the final version I'd be happy to 
email it to you or if the moderators don't mind I could post it to the PowerBooks 
list.  Moderators? 

In OS 9 the hosts file is just a simple text file that I had living in my System 
Folder/Preferences folder.  You may find it loose in your System Folder.  If you don't 
have one at all put it in one of those two places.  For those of you who don't know, 
the host files allows you to resolve a domain name to an IP number without the use of 
a domain name server because you've already listed the domain name's IP number.  It 
essentially says I've already got the IP number for that domain and therefore it 
doesn't consult a DNS.  The added trick here is that we've zeroed out these domains by 
saying the IP number is 0.0.0.0 instead of what they really are. 

In OS 9 once you edit the hosts file you need to go to the TCP/IP Control Panel and 
click on the button labeled "Select Hosts File.." and then point to it.  You may have 
to repoint the TCP/IP Control Panel to the hosts file each time you make changes.  
I've not taken time to verify if that is true or not.  If you don't see the "Select 
Hosts File.." button in your TCP/IP then you need to switch the TCP/IP Control Panle 
User Mode to Advanced.

If you still get some annoying ads or pop-ups just check the source for the web page 
and once you've found the domain just copy it from there and paste it into your hosts 
files.  Sometimes you can just click and hold on the banner ad and select "copy link 
to clipboard".  Other times you actually need to view the HTML source.

PS:  You can use this to block "adult" sites and other unwanted sites as well.

-tom


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> Subject:  Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9
> 
> on 10/14/03 12:04 PM, Tom Roth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > You know, I kind of like this idea of blocking the pop ups by listing them in
> > the hosts file.  While Web Washer works it's slow because it's creating a
> > proxy server.  This hosts blocking method doesn't slow anything down.  Might
> > not catch everything but I can live with that.
> 
> Depends on your definition of 'slow' since you have to dispose of all those
> "site not found"-type errors that popup.
> 
> - Eric.
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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Luca Rescigno]

You know, I kind of like this idea of blocking the pop ups by listing 
them in
the hosts file.  While Web Washer works it's slow because it's 
creating a
proxy server.  This hosts blocking method doesn't slow anything down. 
 Might
not catch everything but I can live with that.
Depends on your definition of 'slow' since you have to dispose of all 
those
"site not found"-type errors that popup.

- Eric.
In OS X this is not a problem, I don't get "Site Not Found" errors with 
either Mozilla Firebird or Safari. In OS 9 it might be, however. But I 
read an article about hosts-file blocking a while ago and it says you 
can get a clean look by creating a simple, blank HTML file on your 
computer and having all the unwanted ads be replaced with this blank 
page instead of a 404 page. I have no idea how to do that, because it 
was a while ago and I wasn't "in the know" back then, but maybe it 
involves Personal Web Sharing? Anyway, good luck.

Luca

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Eric L. Strobel]

on 10/14/03 12:04 PM, Tom Roth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> You know, I kind of like this idea of blocking the pop ups by listing them in
> the hosts file.  While Web Washer works it's slow because it's creating a
> proxy server.  This hosts blocking method doesn't slow anything down.  Might
> not catch everything but I can live with that.

Depends on your definition of 'slow' since you have to dispose of all those
"site not found"-type errors that popup.

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Tom Roth]

You know, I kind of like this idea of blocking the pop ups by listing them in the 
hosts file.  While Web Washer works it's slow because it's creating a proxy server.  
This hosts blocking method doesn't slow anything down.  Might not catch everything but 
I can live with that.

Thanks Luca!

-tom

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> on 10/09/03 11:34 AM, Luca Rescigno at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > IE doesn't allow popup blocking. If you want to stop popup ads, you'll
> > have to disable Javascript (of course that will disable a lot more than
> > just popup ads). You could also use Mozilla or iCab - both of those can
> > block popups and are Mac-compatible. To block banner ads, you can alter
> > your hosts file. I did this in OS X but I am not sure how to do it in
> > OS 9... basically, you need to open the hosts file and make it so that
> > whenever your computer tries to load content from a specific domain, it
> > instead redirects it to 0.0.0.0 (blank nothingness). There's a list of
> > common ad servers here:
> > 
> > http://www.mikey-san.net/blacklist.txt
> > 
> > Save it as a text file and paste it into your hosts file (I think it's
> > in the System Folder in OS 9, I know it's in the hidden /etc/ folder in
> > OS X).
> 
> 

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

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on 10/10/03 4:44 AM, J Sand at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> I use Netscape om 9.2.2 and it has a place in preferences to kill pop ups
> 
> John

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[J Sand]

I use Netscape om 9.2.2 and it has a place in preferences to kill pop ups

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Tom Roth]

Eric,

This seems to work pretty good and the price is right though it does slow down the 
loading of pages.  I guess that's the trade off.  I may try Mozilla too.

Thanks for the URL!

-tom


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> 
> Also note that although IE doesn't provide for popup blocking, you might
> look into Web Washer
> (http://www.webwasher.com/client/home/index.html?lang=de_EN)
> I've not tried it myself, but it appears to be a proxy server that filters
> out the popups.
> 
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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Eric L. Strobel]

on 10/09/03 11:34 AM, Luca Rescigno at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> IE doesn't allow popup blocking. If you want to stop popup ads, you'll
> have to disable Javascript (of course that will disable a lot more than
> just popup ads). You could also use Mozilla or iCab - both of those can
> block popups and are Mac-compatible. To block banner ads, you can alter
> your hosts file. I did this in OS X but I am not sure how to do it in
> OS 9... basically, you need to open the hosts file and make it so that
> whenever your computer tries to load content from a specific domain, it
> instead redirects it to 0.0.0.0 (blank nothingness). There's a list of
> common ad servers here:
> 
> http://www.mikey-san.net/blacklist.txt
> 
> Save it as a text file and paste it into your hosts file (I think it's
> in the System Folder in OS 9, I know it's in the hidden /etc/ folder in
> OS X).

Note that all this will do is replace the annoying banner ads with annoying
error messages about 'Source not found' (or something like that).

Also note that although IE doesn't provide for popup blocking, you might
look into Web Washer
(http://www.webwasher.com/client/home/index.html?lang=de_EN)
I've not tried it myself, but it appears to be a proxy server that filters
out the popups.

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Re: Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Luca Rescigno]

IE doesn't allow popup blocking. If you want to stop popup ads, you'll 
have to disable Javascript (of course that will disable a lot more than 
just popup ads). You could also use Mozilla or iCab - both of those can 
block popups and are Mac-compatible. To block banner ads, you can alter 
your hosts file. I did this in OS X but I am not sure how to do it in 
OS 9... basically, you need to open the hosts file and make it so that 
whenever your computer tries to load content from a specific domain, it 
instead redirects it to 0.0.0.0 (blank nothingness). There's a list of 
common ad servers here:

http://www.mikey-san.net/blacklist.txt

Save it as a text file and paste it into your hosts file (I think it's 
in the System Folder in OS 9, I know it's in the hidden /etc/ folder in 
OS X).

On Oct 9, 2003, at 9:54 AM, Tom Roth wrote:

This is Slightly Off Topic but since I will be using this on my 
PowerBook 3400 I guess that makes it on topic.

I'm looking for a popup blocker that will work with under Mac OS 9.  
I've seen plenty for Windows that block pop-ups, pop-unders, ads, 
banners, and spyware.  I've seen a few blockers for Mac OS X but have 
struck out finding anything for OS 9.  I usually use MSIE v5 on my 
Mac.


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Popup blockers for Mac OS 9

[Tom Roth]

This is Slightly Off Topic but since I will be using this on my PowerBook 3400 I guess 
that makes it on topic.  

I'm looking for a popup blocker that will work with under Mac OS 9.  I've seen plenty 
for Windows that block pop-ups, pop-unders, ads, banners, and spyware.  I've seen a 
few blockers for Mac OS X but have struck out finding anything for OS 9.  I usually 
use MSIE v5 on my Mac.


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Re: back to earlier mac os, how to? (long) 5300

[Bruce Johnson]

Howard R. Katz wrote:

What's everyone's opinion of RamDoubler for use in memory-challenged PBs?
OS <= 7.6, it's probably a good idea, since it's a better VM than VM. 
With 8 it's roughly a draw, and with 8.5+ it's useless, as Apple's VM is 
much improved by then.

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Re: back to earlier mac os, how to? (long) 5300

[Howard R. Katz]

What's everyone's opinion of RamDoubler for use in memory-challenged PBs?

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Re: back to earlier mac os, how to? (long) 5300

[Dan K]

I made a network access disk for PBs 5300 by installing the Network 
Software package onto a 7.6 System tools floppy. To ensure I would have 
enough room, I used the minimal Finder and Chooser from the Network 
Access Disk. BTW, this same procedure works to build a NAD for PBs 
2400/3400 as well, you just need to ensure the 2400/3400 enabler is in 
place as those 'Books won't boot from an original 7.6 without it.

Starting with a fresh 7.6 Disk Tools (DT) floppy image, drag that image 
file onto Disk Copy's (DC) icon while holding down the command key. DC 
will launch to the save-as dialog and prompt for name and what sort of 
image type, choose read/write and check the 'Mount Image' box, then 
create the disk image. Now mount the image files Network Access Disk 
(NAD) and Network Software Installer (NSI) by simply double-clicking them 
in the Finder.

Go to the desktop and open the now-mounted read/write DT floppy. Trash 
Drive Setup and Disk FirstAid, along with the Finder and Chooser from the 
System Folder. Open the mounted NAD and copy the Finder and Chooser into 
their appropriate places in the Disk Tool's System Folder. Open the 
mounted NSI volume, launch the installer and point it to the DT's System 
Folder. Now to make the floppy disk itself . . .

The easiest way to create the actual floppy disk is to drag the modified 
.img file onto DC's icon while holding down the option key, that tells DC 
you want to make a floppy with the disk image rather than simply mount 
the disk image. Alternatively, in DC go to -> Utility: Make a Floppy, and 
point DC to the mounted DT volume as the source, then make the floppy 
disk.

disk image sources:
1) Disk Tools floppy disk image links:

2) Network Access Disk:

3) Network SW installer:


Disk Copy 6.3.3:


I'd like to be able to post a copy of this somewhere as an already-built 
disk, but I'd rather not run afoul of Apple's ever-vigilant legal-eagles. 
In any case, it's easy enough for most anyone to do.

I have built-up 7.x disks that can use a PCcard ethernet card, and for 
the built-in enet in PBs 3400. Most of those driver resources are pretty 
small, so if the basic enet capability is there it usually fits.  I know 
I also tried this with OS 8.x disks but cannot recall if I had any luck. 
Using 8.1 should allow one to install an OS to an HFS+ boot volume. IIRC 
the 8.5 floppy didn't have enough room.

Any questions?

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Re: back to earlier mac os, how to? (long) 5300

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In a message dated 8/23/03 9:59:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
The everymac.com states the baseline OS version is 7.6.

Nor will the 7.5 Network disk boot a 5300. You need at least MacOS 7.5.2 to 
run a 5300. >>

If possible, go for 7.6.1 on "memory challenged" 'books, and 8.1 with at 
least 48 MB.

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Re: back to earlier mac os, how to? (long) 5300

[Robert Eye]

Han,

The 2400 won't boot of something as old as MacOS 7.5. The 
everymac.com states the baseline OS version is 7.6.

Nor will the 7.5 Network disk boot a 5300. You need at least MacOS 
7.5.2 to run a 5300.

How much RAM does it have now? If it has enough to boot 8.6 it should 
have enough so you can do a serial transfer between the 6500's 
printer or modem port and the 5300's (single) printer/modem port. 
It's not quick but it should work (although I've never done it, it's 
the quickest, and probably slowest, way to network 2 Macs together).

In fact, here's a site that describes it pretty well:

http://www.atpm.com/network/setup/localtalk_serial.html

You should have all the SW already installed on the Macs - you'll 
just need a serial cable for Macs (I don't think PC serial cables 
will work - the pin count is wrong as I recall, but I don't remember 
which is 9-pin and which is 8).

Just connect the 6500 to the 5300, and copy the 19 disk images from 
the 6500 to the 5300. It will take a LONG while to do this, but it 
will work. You should be able to open the 1st disk image and  install 
7.5.3 from there.

You might (I don't recall - I hope someone else chimes in verifying 
or correcting my instructions) have to unbless the current System 
folder first, by moving the Finder out of the System Folder. Then, 
install 7.5.3 and allow the Mac to reboot. It should reboot into 
7.5.3.

I am assuming in all this that the 5300 does not have ethernet 
ability, either through a PC Card or through one of the Focus 
video/ethernet built-in cards. If you have ethernet on both machines, 
use it instead. It is faster. The site I linked to above also has 
good info on ethernet connecting Macs.

Regards,

Bob Eye
Dallas, TX
We are fixing up the ol 5300 to lend to a friend this
fall who can't afford to purchase a book for herself
yet.  The husband upgraded it to os 8.6, but it really
doesn't have enough ram to support 8.6, and I can't
find an affordable ram upgrade.  I used to run 7.5.5
on it without a problem, so I thought we could just
return it to 7.5.5.
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back to earlier mac os, how to? (long)

[Han]

We are fixing up the ol 5300 to lend to a friend this
fall who can't afford to purchase a book for herself
yet.  The husband upgraded it to os 8.6, but it really
doesn't have enough ram to support 8.6, and I can't
find an affordable ram upgrade.  I used to run 7.5.5
on it without a problem, so I thought we could just
return it to 7.5.5.  

Not being able to find my old system 7 floppies, I
went and dl'd the 19 disk image set of 7.5.3 and the
7.5.5 updater and the 7.5 network access disk images. 
After dl'ing this to a ppc 6500, I tried to copy the
network access system folder onto a floppy.  The
system folder offered was too big to fit on a floppy
(It said I needed 7k more space.)  So I trashed a
network extension and control panel, making the system
folder small enough to fit on the floppy. 

My intent was to boot from the floppy, then insert the
installer disks and run the 7.5.3 installer. I don't
have the 5300 at hand, (the young woman is playing
with it this weekend to get used to using a mac.) So I
tried to boot a 2400 we have with this 7.5 tools disk
to test the boot disk.  We get a dialog box saying
that that the system folder on the disk is
insufficient to run the machine and I should seek a
newer restore disk.  So I wasn't able to verify the
bootability of the 7.5 tools disk I created.

Moreover, I have never actually retrograded a
machine's os before.  Now I am not sure exactly what
I'm going to need to do to get the 5300 back to 7.5.5.
 Do I need to completely reformat the hard drive and
start from scratch?  The only time I ever did that
before was a real mess, and I don't remember exactly
how I fixed that problem. Do I need to put some kind
of system enabler on the tools disk to get it to run a
2400  powerbook? or a 5300 powerbook, for that matter?
 Do I just need to unbless the system folder?

It has been years and years since I made bootable
floppies on a daily basis, so this may be a simple
trick I just forgot about.

Thanks,

Also,  I just wanted to express my thanks for  the
help and community offered by the powerbooks list.  I
wouldn't be able afford to run a computer right now,
let alone help other people with computer issues, 
without the resources of this community.  

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Re: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem

[Byron Gardner]

on 6/29/03 9:49 AM, Jay Snyder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I had 10.2.2 on a Lombard, and then when I try to upgrade it to 10.2.4, it had
> problems booting.I think that 10.2.2 might be the best bet for older
> Powerbooks.
> 
> J.
> 
I can't even get 10.2 on it as it is now. I had 10.2.6 on it earlier.

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Re: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem

[Jay Snyder]

I had 10.2.2 on a Lombard, and then when I try to upgrade it to 10.2.4, it had 
problems booting.I think that 10.2.2 might be the best bet for older Powerbooks.

J.



> 
> From: Byron Gardner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/28 Sat PM 12:11:18 EDT
> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem
> 
> All right, Jay here's one for you to ponder. I am trying to install OS X
> 10.2 on my WallStreet. The installation gets 2/3 of the way through and then
> the screen either goes dark or becomes light with no other image or has
> multicolored lines running down the middle and I am forced to restart with
> the three finger salute. This PB has had OS X 10.2.6 on it before but I
> reformatted and went back to OS 9. What is the deal???
> 
> Byron
> 
> on 6/28/03 6:19 AM, Jay Snyder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > This is a quirk with OSX on the wallstreet, and your PRAM battery is also
> > probably bad.
> > 
> > Boot into OS9 (8 might work too), then boot into OSX, and that should fix it
> > until you powerdown again.
> > 
> > If it isn't remembering the date & time, and also has trouble with powerup
> > from battery, then your PRAM battery is probably bad.
> > 
> > J
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> From: Jean-Philippe Pellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: 2003/06/28 Sat AM 05:32:54 EDT
> >> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I recently acquired for $200 a PowerBook G3 Series (Rev. I) and I
> >> decided to install Jaguar on it. 10.2.0 ran fine, but after I upgraded
> >> it to 10.2.6 with the combo updater, I began having the following
> >> problem: when I startup the Mac, the screen brightness is OK as long as
> >> I can see the spinning 'cursor' with the Apple logo. Then, when the
> >> startup progress bar appears, the screen turns to black until the
> >> startup process is finished, and only when it is finished do I get a
> >> chance to turn the brightness on again using the brightness buttons
> >> (one press on the button is enough to turn brightness completely on
> >> back again).
> >> 
> >> Do you know what could be causing that problem?
> >> 
> >> TIA,
> >> JPP
> 
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Re: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem

[Brian]

>This is got me stumped. I have even switched hard drives. The last time I
>tried to install and the PB did it again. This time I can't even mount the
>hard drive. It is being resurrected as I type this by Norton Volume Recover.
>DiskWarrier couldn't even see it. It mounted with SystemWorks.

Diakwarrior is only meant to work on volumes that are mounted; nothing
scary here, some low level volume info got trashed, likely just the disk
driver, that's why you had to use Norton.

Not to grump about topics, but you might find more people who can help on
the G3 powerbooks list, since more of those guys are going to be running X,
than the # of people on the classic list who happen to also have a early
Wallstreet or whatever it was you are working with.

I would check usenet and old macfixit articles (but you have to pay, I
don't use them much anymore) or old G3 powerbook list posts, for starters.

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Re: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem

[Byron Gardner]

This is got me stumped. I have even switched hard drives. The last time I
tried to install and the PB did it again. This time I can't even mount the
hard drive. It is being resurrected as I type this by Norton Volume Recover.
DiskWarrier couldn't even see it. It mounted with SystemWorks.

In any case, this has got me really worried. If anyone can help I would
really appreciate it. I am beginning to strongly suspect a hardware here. It
is obviously a screen problem. Cable maybe. I just replaced a broken hinge
on the left side. I am thinking something is amiss with the display. Anyone
tell what to check?

Need help...this is sooo not good.

Byron

on 6/28/03 6:19 PM, Thad Hoffman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Similar thing happened to me and my 7600 G3. I had 10.0.4, went back to 9,
> then tried to install Jaguar later. I had to erase the drive inside OS X's
> installer before it would work. Apparently, unless you really erase the
> drive, some OS X files stick around and cause probs on re-install.
> This may not be you're issue, but it sounds awfully similar.
> 
> I would try erasing the drive/partition from the installer before you
> install if that is possible for you to do without losing stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> on 6/28/03 11:11 AM, Byron Gardner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> All right, Jay here's one for you to ponder. I am trying to install OS X
>> 10.2 on my WallStreet. The installation gets 2/3 of the way through and then
>> the screen either goes dark or becomes light with no other image or has
>> multicolored lines running down the middle and I am forced to restart with
>> the three finger salute. This PB has had OS X 10.2.6 on it before but I
>> reformatted and went back to OS 9. What is the deal???
>> 
>> Byron
>> 
>> on 6/28/03 6:19 AM, Jay Snyder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a quirk with OSX on the wallstreet, and your PRAM battery is also
>>> probably bad.
>>> 
>>> Boot into OS9 (8 might work too), then boot into OSX, and that should fix it
>>> until you powerdown again.
>>> 
>>> If it isn't remembering the date & time, and also has trouble with powerup
>>> from battery, then your PRAM battery is probably bad.
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Jean-Philippe Pellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Date: 2003/06/28 Sat AM 05:32:54 EDT
>>>> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Subject: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I recently acquired for $200 a PowerBook G3 Series (Rev. I) and I
>>>> decided to install Jaguar on it. 10.2.0 ran fine, but after I upgraded
>>>> it to 10.2.6 with the combo updater, I began having the following
>>>> problem: when I startup the Mac, the screen brightness is OK as long as
>>>> I can see the spinning 'cursor' with the Apple logo. Then, when the
>>>> startup progress bar appears, the screen turns to black until the
>>>> startup process is finished, and only when it is finished do I get a
>>>> chance to turn the brightness on again using the brightness buttons
>>>> (one press on the button is enough to turn brightness completely on
>>>> back again).
>>>> 
>>>> Do you know what could be causing that problem?
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> JPP
>> 
> 


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Re: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem

[Thad Hoffman]

Similar thing happened to me and my 7600 G3. I had 10.0.4, went back to 9,
then tried to install Jaguar later. I had to erase the drive inside OS X's
installer before it would work. Apparently, unless you really erase the
drive, some OS X files stick around and cause probs on re-install.
This may not be you're issue, but it sounds awfully similar.

I would try erasing the drive/partition from the installer before you
install if that is possible for you to do without losing stuff.



on 6/28/03 11:11 AM, Byron Gardner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> All right, Jay here's one for you to ponder. I am trying to install OS X
> 10.2 on my WallStreet. The installation gets 2/3 of the way through and then
> the screen either goes dark or becomes light with no other image or has
> multicolored lines running down the middle and I am forced to restart with
> the three finger salute. This PB has had OS X 10.2.6 on it before but I
> reformatted and went back to OS 9. What is the deal???
> 
> Byron
> 
> on 6/28/03 6:19 AM, Jay Snyder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> This is a quirk with OSX on the wallstreet, and your PRAM battery is also
>> probably bad.
>> 
>> Boot into OS9 (8 might work too), then boot into OSX, and that should fix it
>> until you powerdown again.
>> 
>> If it isn't remembering the date & time, and also has trouble with powerup
>> from battery, then your PRAM battery is probably bad.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Jean-Philippe Pellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: 2003/06/28 Sat AM 05:32:54 EDT
>>> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I recently acquired for $200 a PowerBook G3 Series (Rev. I) and I
>>> decided to install Jaguar on it. 10.2.0 ran fine, but after I upgraded
>>> it to 10.2.6 with the combo updater, I began having the following
>>> problem: when I startup the Mac, the screen brightness is OK as long as
>>> I can see the spinning 'cursor' with the Apple logo. Then, when the
>>> startup progress bar appears, the screen turns to black until the
>>> startup process is finished, and only when it is finished do I get a
>>> chance to turn the brightness on again using the brightness buttons
>>> (one press on the button is enough to turn brightness completely on
>>> back again).
>>> 
>>> Do you know what could be causing that problem?
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> JPP
> 


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Re: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem

[Byron Gardner]

All right, Jay here's one for you to ponder. I am trying to install OS X
10.2 on my WallStreet. The installation gets 2/3 of the way through and then
the screen either goes dark or becomes light with no other image or has
multicolored lines running down the middle and I am forced to restart with
the three finger salute. This PB has had OS X 10.2.6 on it before but I
reformatted and went back to OS 9. What is the deal???

Byron

on 6/28/03 6:19 AM, Jay Snyder at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> This is a quirk with OSX on the wallstreet, and your PRAM battery is also
> probably bad.
> 
> Boot into OS9 (8 might work too), then boot into OSX, and that should fix it
> until you powerdown again.
> 
> If it isn't remembering the date & time, and also has trouble with powerup
> from battery, then your PRAM battery is probably bad.
> 
> J
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> From: Jean-Philippe Pellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2003/06/28 Sat AM 05:32:54 EDT
>> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I recently acquired for $200 a PowerBook G3 Series (Rev. I) and I
>> decided to install Jaguar on it. 10.2.0 ran fine, but after I upgraded
>> it to 10.2.6 with the combo updater, I began having the following
>> problem: when I startup the Mac, the screen brightness is OK as long as
>> I can see the spinning 'cursor' with the Apple logo. Then, when the
>> startup progress bar appears, the screen turns to black until the
>> startup process is finished, and only when it is finished do I get a
>> chance to turn the brightness on again using the brightness buttons
>> (one press on the button is enough to turn brightness completely on
>> back again).
>> 
>> Do you know what could be causing that problem?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> JPP


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Re: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem

[Jay Snyder]

This is a quirk with OSX on the wallstreet, and your PRAM battery is also probably bad.

Boot into OS9 (8 might work too), then boot into OSX, and that should fix it until you 
powerdown again.

If it isn't remembering the date & time, and also has trouble with powerup from 
battery, then your PRAM battery is probably bad.

J



> 
> From: Jean-Philippe Pellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/06/28 Sat AM 05:32:54 EDT
> To: "PowerBooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I recently acquired for $200 a PowerBook G3 Series (Rev. I) and I 
> decided to install Jaguar on it. 10.2.0 ran fine, but after I upgraded 
> it to 10.2.6 with the combo updater, I began having the following 
> problem: when I startup the Mac, the screen brightness is OK as long as 
> I can see the spinning 'cursor' with the Apple logo. Then, when the 
> startup progress bar appears, the screen turns to black until the 
> startup process is finished, and only when it is finished do I get a 
> chance to turn the brightness on again using the brightness buttons 
> (one press on the button is enough to turn brightness completely on 
> back again).
> 
> Do you know what could be causing that problem?
> 
> TIA,
> JPP
> 
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PowerBook G3 Series & Mac OS 10.2.6 Brightness problem

[Jean-Philippe Pellet]

Hi,

I recently acquired for $200 a PowerBook G3 Series (Rev. I) and I 
decided to install Jaguar on it. 10.2.0 ran fine, but after I upgraded 
it to 10.2.6 with the combo updater, I began having the following 
problem: when I startup the Mac, the screen brightness is OK as long as 
I can see the spinning 'cursor' with the Apple logo. Then, when the 
startup progress bar appears, the screen turns to black until the 
startup process is finished, and only when it is finished do I get a 
chance to turn the brightness on again using the brightness buttons 
(one press on the button is enough to turn brightness completely on 
back again).

Do you know what could be causing that problem?

TIA,
JPP
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Re: mac os 7.1.1 on floppy disk

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2003-03-11 14:12, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> how can i install mac os 7.1.1 on a floppy or mabe get a boot disk for it?
>> (besides the disktools disk)
> 
> Try this link [link deleted]

Ahem, that site contains links to copyrighted software... Never a good idea
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Re: mac os 7.1.1 on floppy disk

[jennbert]

>how can i install mac os 7.1.1 on a floppy or mabe get a boot disk for it?
>(besides the disktools disk)
>
Try this link http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/

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Re: mac os 7.1.1 on floppy disk

[Dan Palka]

There is a good website still that as all of the systems up to 7.5.5 for 
free download, including system 7 pro (7.1.1).

I forget where, but I always find it on google after a few minutes of 
searching when I need some old OS.

The title of the page was "where to download the macos"

>how can i install mac os 7.1.1 on a floppy or mabe get a boot disk for it?
>(besides the disktools disk)
>
>   any help appriceated
>
>thanks
>
>  justin rouzzo

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Re: mac os 7.1.1 on floppy disk

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On 2003-03-11 06:03, "Justin C Rouzzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> how can i install mac os 7.1.1 on a floppy or mabe get a boot disk for it?
> (besides the disktools disk)

Buy it on eBay. Or even from Apple still?

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mac os 7.1.1 on floppy disk

[Justin C Rouzzo]

how can i install mac os 7.1.1 on a floppy or mabe get a boot disk for it?
(besides the disktools disk)

   any help appriceated

thanks

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Re: Mac OS

[Gary Sparkes]

what about 7.6.1? i see a diskmaking script thingy on the apple site listed
a few emails ago... is that any good?



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Re: Mac OS

[Gary Sparkes]

> Not anymore. In the past, Apple had both the floppy version of System
7.5.3
> available online, as a series of single 1.4 MB floppy images, and the CD
> version, which consists of 19 parts of one big image file that can be
burnt
> to a CD-R.
>
> The floppy version is no longer available for download, for some reason.


do you have the floppy image?



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Re: Mac OS

[RaceCivicR]

I've gotten it to work fine (tested on a 520c and Quadra 800). Don't get me 
wrong, it's not easy but I'll do my best to describe how I did it. First I 
downloaded the whole 19 files and then decompressed the whole deal (gives you 
a folder which is your installer). Anyway, I then used it to instal the basic 
OS (custom instal) onto a blank hard drive which now gave me my system 
folder. Now the hard part. I then used disk copy to make me a blank image 
file (use standard hfs) and threw the installer and the system folder onto it 
so now when you open the .img file you have your installer and the system 
folder on it. I then used Toast Ti 5, selected other (hold down on the mouse) 
and then selected Mac Volume and this gives you the option to select the 
mounted image. Select it, click bootable (gotten weird results selecting 
optimize on the fly, might want to unclick it) and presto a bootable 7.5.3 
installer. 

You may also want to add the 7.5.5 updater to the disk as well. Just be sure 
to put the updater into it's own folder, make an alias and put that next to 
the 7.5.3 installer icon.

   Jake

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I tried to burn bootables cds for older macs and it doesnt work - the 

old mac freezes -

they are all like discimages that is started from the first one, 

there is no install system present in theese diskimages - just an 

installer,

you could as I finally did take the system files from a 8.1 cd and 

then burn the diskimages together with that, start from the 8.1 

system on the cd and install the 7.5.3 wherever you want it.

kenta

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Re: Mac OS

[Robert Patterson]

Wow, I'm glad this confusion seems to be solved!  I thought I'd been
having hallucinations!   :-)

 Rob


>Technically, you didn't use the installer to make floppies; you used
>floppies to transfer the installer image to a hard drive.
>
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Re: Mac OS

[Fran Dollinger]

Joost van de Griek wrote:

>On 2003-02-13 17:26, "Fran Dollinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Joost van de Griek wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On 2003-02-13 16:43, "Fran Dollinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I just took a look also, the multipart (19parts) installer is what I used to
make my floppies.


>>>Okay, I'm very curious how you managed that.
>>>
>>>I downloaded System 7.5.3 12of19.part.bin, and tried to coax Disk Copy into
>>>doing something other that throw me an error message with it, and failed.
>>>  
>>>
>>It's been almost a year ago that I did it...IIRC I had to download them in
>>order because you have to have the first one  (smi.bin) in order to do
>>anything with the others. D/L #1-19 each on their own floppy and when you go
>>to install you have to create a folder on the machine you want to install to
>>and transfer each disk into that folder and then start from the #1 smi.bin. I
>>remember it took me quite a long time to figure out the process with alot of
>>going back and forth but perserverence paid off. If you seriously need this
>>let me know and I'll try to reconstruct the process in depth for you.
>>
>>
>
>No, thanks. I guess we were both right.
>
>There is no way you can make a set of install floppies from those parts,
>like I said.
>
>They do work together to make ONE SINGLE image that contains the installer.
>
>Technically, you didn't use the installer to make floppies; you used
>floppies to transfer the installer image to a hard drive.
>
>,xtG
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>  
>
Yes, I see what you mean. I guess I go by...Whatever gets the job done, 
whether it be orthodox or just by luck. Having no formal training in any 
of this, I'm lucky that I can almost always fanagle stuff to come out 
with the desired effect.

Fran
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