Re: [PEDA] Using library
See the inserts. Igor -Original Message- From: Ferdinando Bignamini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 15 July 2002 5:07 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Using library Hi, I've some question about the library system of Protel in a shared evnironment. A- It's possible to define some global library and local library for a project? At now I haven't find a solution... Yes, you can connect as many libraries to your Protel station as you like. Some of them might be on the network, some on the local drive. Each Protel station can have different libraries connected. You could also have a library inside your_project.ddb. B- How It's possible to avoid invalidity of data in a library when tow people modify the library at same time... You could lock the file. That means that only one person at the time has write privileges to the file. We only allow write privileges to our main library to the administrator. It's better there's only one person who can modifying the library in the work group and all the other modify a local library and after all they ask them to upgrading the global library? That's the way we do it, or rather, quite similar to what we do. C- It's better we use the M$-Access database format or the Windows File system?. We use Access file format for security and space saving reasons. Access file format takes up only a third of the drive space when compacted, compared to the Windows format. D- We have used already the M$-Access database, but some time the files being destroyed by Protel (we use Protel 99SE): have you encountered the same problem? If affermative: have you reach to avoid this so strange trouble? If your database gets corrupted you could do a 'Repair database'. Look into the help files or the book. Thak's in advance. You are welcome. ing. Ferdinando Bignamini INTEA ENGINEERING S.R.L. Via chiusure 32 25057 Sale Marasino (BS) ITALY * Tracking #: DD47D4ED684C0C44B8CE7CF1B3681E98B719E907 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel to Orcad Schematic
Hello, I can confirm what Dennis knows. Protel exports the SDT version of a schematic, but not the SDT library/symbols required by Capture v7.2 and above to translate the SDT version. The issue of correctly modifying the "SDT.cfg" file, required to up-rev an SDT design to v7.2 and above, is moot without the SDT library/symbols. Drew - Original Message - From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel to Orcad Schematic > can't be done as far as i know > > if you find a way please let me know > > Dennis Saputelli > > "Westfeldt, Pat" wrote: > > > > We have to translate a few of these guys. Does anyone know the > > procedure for translating a schematic from Protel 99SE to Orcad CIS 9.2? > > or any Orcad version 7.2 or above? I assume I have to have symbols in > > place that mimic the Protel symbol, or is this actually necessary? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Patrick Westfeldt, Jr. > > voices: > > 303 939 5087 > > FAX 303 939 5550 > > 720 406 0887 > > cell 720 272 5822 > > emails: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > * Tracking #: 459D9561DB59A14594E0D7B5279938D3B2D9C867 > * > > -- > ___ > www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. >tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street > fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] LCD screens WAS: Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!)
> the only reason for which I'd ever change a screen resolution would be to > _increase_ it. I don't need menus and toolbars to take half of my screen Some of us folks like bigger fonts so they are more readable. My 21 in. CRT is capable of 1600x1200 (at least), but I run it at 1152x768 because text gets too small for my liking. I can see fine when wearing my contacts (which I do every day), but my CRT is about 2-3 ft. from my face (because that's where I want it). So if I use higher res, the text gets too small. I can put in a long day (12+ hrs.) with no eyestrain with this setup. Why is my CRT so far from my face? Because the space inbetween is taken up by papers, tools, prototypes under test, etc. Typical design engineer desk mess. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "mariusrf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] LCD screens WAS: Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!) > the only reason for which I'd ever change a screen resolution would be to > _increase_ it. I don't need menus and toolbars to take half of my screen > area at low resolutions. I always run the highest res the screen supports. > > Talking of laptops, is anybody running Protel on 1600x1200 resolution > Toshiba laptops ? I've seen a few models with this screen and liked it. The > only problem for me was XP, because I run several other programs which > require dongles, are not XP compatible etc. Also some missing ports > (replaced by usb only) are a problem for me . > > Matt Tudor , MSEE > http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] LCD screens WAS: Hardware questions (upgrade time - > yuk!) > > > > You guys are compleat vidiots! ;-) > > > > What happens when you run a LCD screen at something other than it's pixel > > resolution? I have seen quite a few laptop screens that don't look good > > when running at lower resolutions than pixel-res. > > > > Best regards, > > Ivan Baggett > > Bagotronix Inc. > > website: www.bagotronix.com > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > > * Tracking #: DBA9952F7F325A46A5A7A91A610A334A72D337E6 > * > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] LCD screens WAS: Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!)
the only reason for which I'd ever change a screen resolution would be to _increase_ it. I don't need menus and toolbars to take half of my screen area at low resolutions. I always run the highest res the screen supports. Talking of laptops, is anybody running Protel on 1600x1200 resolution Toshiba laptops ? I've seen a few models with this screen and liked it. The only problem for me was XP, because I run several other programs which require dongles, are not XP compatible etc. Also some missing ports (replaced by usb only) are a problem for me . Matt Tudor , MSEE http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com - Original Message - From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] LCD screens WAS: Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!) > You guys are compleat vidiots! ;-) > > What happens when you run a LCD screen at something other than it's pixel > resolution? I have seen quite a few laptop screens that don't look good > when running at lower resolutions than pixel-res. > > Best regards, > Ivan Baggett > Bagotronix Inc. > website: www.bagotronix.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tracking #: DBA9952F7F325A46A5A7A91A610A334A72D337E6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!)
mariusrf wrote: > I'm using 2 17" LCD's at 1280x1024 each, with a dual head card. I wouldn't > go back to a CRT . 17" LCd's can be had for little money now, paid $1000 for > both months ago. All things considered, the 2 lcd's give me more viewing > area for the money, more resolution , take less desk space and are sharper > than crt's for the same resolution . I have a Dell 17" LCD monitor, it works quite well for Protel. It is the model 1702FP. List price is $799. It seems best to keep it at 1280 x 1024 resolution, although it does a pretty good job of interpolating for 1024 x 768. Some other resolutions really show artifacts. I've been using it for 9 months or so, and am real happy with it. I can't say it is BETTER than a really fine CRT with a good video card, but it definitely is not worse. Even color rendition on photographic or synthetic images with smooth color gradients looks as good as a good CRT. I also tried a 15" Dell LCD, and it definitely was inferior. Jon * Tracking #: D0E1512DE4399749ACE1B7EF156FAEE55E1CF3AA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] LCD screens WAS: Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!)
You guys are compleat vidiots! ;-) What happens when you run a LCD screen at something other than it's pixel resolution? I have seen quite a few laptop screens that don't look good when running at lower resolutions than pixel-res. Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: "Brian Guralnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!) * Tracking #: 5ECEBC34AACD4D4D9786474DB41657628AC3A152 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!)
> BTW the Mitsubishi 2040u is EOL'ed. The new one is 2060u. Any > comments? This will cost me about $1900AUD - or about $1060USD on current > exchange rates. How does that compare to street pricing in nth America? The 2060u specs are almost identical to the 2040u. Probably just firmware & monitor main board improvements. Remember, since the monitor's internal DSP synthesizes & regulates all signals to the yoke, yoke feedback, flyback, dynamic focus, & dynamic beam convergence, improvements on the firmware alone can improve the final picture quality. I still say that this screen at 1280x1024 can compete with a reasonably good LCD screen with regard to sharpness & the dead on convergence & focus, but, I do like the ability to run it at a clean flawless 2048x1536 when Protel-ing. I still like the 1280x1024 for regular desktop & Quartus work. I guess I could fix this if I sat down and re-configured all the desktop font & icon size settings. > For comparison an 17" LCD from Mitsubishi (DV170) is $1700AUD or about > $950USD. How does that compare? And this is an analog drive LCD not even DVI! Never seen this monitor. But, from the photos on Nec's & Mitsubishi's new LCD screens, the outside borders are so small that tiling them with dual or quad head would probably be a pleasurable experience. In fact, if you search a little, you may find some desktop LCD displays which are near borderless. I have decided to go all LCD once I could find a 2048x1536 screen which doesn't make these horizontal line tears in animations. This means a synchronous refresh of pixels to the incoming video signal. So far, I saw 1 18 inch LCD screen without the tearing, but its expensive, though the picture motion is perfect & the pixel transition time is 1/4 that of the current LCD screens. http://www.necmitsubishi.com/ -> normal CRTs & normal LCDs. http://www-6.ibm.com/jp/oemj/lcd/md2229.html -> the only LCD screen I'm interested in, but I'll probably only end up with 2 of these screens -> http://www.redcorp.com/products/25316058.asp > Do you know how the 200 NVS differs from the 550XGL card (both are > Quadro4-based). There is no good (detailed) info on these cards > capabilities - in particular the options for driving mix-and-match LCD+CRT, > CRT+CRT, LCD+LCD is not well defined. I think the 550XGL is clear enough > that it can either do CRT+CRT or LCD+LCD, no mixing. The XGL series has a significantly more powerful 3D opengl engine designed for 3D opengl cad based usage. This is not the same as their 3D opengl gaming cards. There is a lot more lighting & detail on these, but, if you used them for gaming, they will probably not give you the same speed as a GF4TI4600 card, unless you configure the output in cheaper game quality mode. DoomIII, with near ray-trace grade output, (competes with the Final Fantasy movie with the right video card), a card like this might get you all the way there. Now, the CRT+CTR, or LCD+CRT, or LCD+LCD question. Arrrg, you are correct, you cannot go LCD+CRT with these cards unless you (A) run your LCD in analog mode, or (B) use the Y LCD+LCD standard DVI cable adapter (supplied upon request of purchase), & put an analog adapter on one of the LCD outputs. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 * Tracking #: 2429C8DB124BFA47A325C9FEB6921F94B6EB5233 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel to Orcad Schematic
can't be done as far as i know if you find a way please let me know Dennis Saputelli "Westfeldt, Pat" wrote: > > We have to translate a few of these guys. Does anyone know the > procedure for translating a schematic from Protel 99SE to Orcad CIS 9.2? > or any Orcad version 7.2 or above? I assume I have to have symbols in > place that mimic the Protel symbol, or is this actually necessary? > > Thanks in advance. > > Patrick Westfeldt, Jr. > voices: > 303 939 5087 > FAX 303 939 5550 > 720 406 0887 > cell 720 272 5822 > emails: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Tracking #: 459D9561DB59A14594E0D7B5279938D3B2D9C867 * -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel to Orcad Schematic
Re: [PEDA] Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!)
> Your Wendy's has a color display, not just red letters on black? None I've been > to have more than red on black. No, it's a full color authentic LCD screen. The color was fully saturated like a CRT. Originally, I've only seen such contrast & color on some of the better camcorder LCD view finders screens made by Sharp, but their resolution sucked. I guess all I'm saying is that this is something new in LCD screens, & the polarizer & back light combination which created such a perfect, full black to white display for a commercial 800x600 outdoor screen may soon be available for the higher resolution desktop displays. When I say black, I mean NO LEAKING off white or gray visible at odd angles. This is the black you would expect necessary to create full saturated colors. In fact it's so good, it's sickening. (Ian's question next, reply...) Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!) > > > And why is it that the STUPID 17 inch outdoor LCD screen at my local Wendy's > Drive thru has better contrast and color than the > indoor desktop LCD screens? Even when the temperature is -20 outside? (Though, > the pixel transition speed around scrolling text > begins to suffer dramatically.) > > Your Wendy's has a color display, not just red letters on black? None I've been > to have more than red on black. > > The Red on Black are great because they have really large pixels and they are > monochrome. The bigger the pixel the better the contrast, and with a monochrome > LCD you can get more twist to make the contrast better. Then you can put a > really bright LED backlight behind it and you have nice outdoor display. > > I've fought with trying to find a good LCD for outdoors and the best were large > character high contrast monochrome ones with LED backlight. My boss at a former > job at one point wanted to use an industrial laptop, but the guys at the > entrance to the car wash couldn't read it in the sunlight. He promptly disavowed > all knowledge of it an we got stuck trying to make it work after everything was > installed. > > > > > > > * Tracking #: D479BCBBF048A649B147C4935F78D5DEB4331578 > * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Hardware questions (upgrade time - yuk!)
And why is it that the STUPID 17 inch outdoor LCD screen at my local Wendy's Drive thru has better contrast and color than the indoor desktop LCD screens? Even when the temperature is -20 outside? (Though, the pixel transition speed around scrolling text begins to suffer dramatically.) Your Wendy's has a color display, not just red letters on black? None I've been to have more than red on black. The Red on Black are great because they have really large pixels and they are monochrome. The bigger the pixel the better the contrast, and with a monochrome LCD you can get more twist to make the contrast better. Then you can put a really bright LED backlight behind it and you have nice outdoor display. I've fought with trying to find a good LCD for outdoors and the best were large character high contrast monochrome ones with LED backlight. My boss at a former job at one point wanted to use an industrial laptop, but the guys at the entrance to the car wash couldn't read it in the sunlight. He promptly disavowed all knowledge of it an we got stuck trying to make it work after everything was installed. * Tracking #: D479BCBBF048A649B147C4935F78D5DEB4331578 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Using library
Ferdinando, What you are trying to do is about the way we currently are working here. To have a halfway proper setup you should choose the database storage system. With this system you can setup workgroups with individual logins for each member and then are able to (manually) lock (write protect) the files you are working with. We have a central "library.ddb" database where all common libs are stored. Individual components can be defined in librarys within each "design.ddb". Please see also the comments interspaced below: > A- It's possible to define some global library and local library for a > project? At now I haven't find a solution... Include the common "library.ddb" with the Add Library-Button and the local libs within the ddb. > B- How It's possible to avoid invalidity of data in a library when tow > people modify the library at same time... With the lock mechanism built in when a workgroup is set up. However it's not a very smart implementation and - at least in my eyes - not really usable! > It's better there's only one person who can modifying the library in > the work group and all the other > modify a local library and after all they ask them to upgrading the > global library? That's exactly how we do it here. > C- It's better we use the M$-Access database format or the Windows File > system?. Not sure, but I think if you set up a workgroup and like to benefit from the file lock mechanism Access database format is a must. > D- We have used already the M$-Access database, but some time the files > being destroyed by Protel (we use Protel 99SE): > have you encountered the same problem? If affermative: have you reach to > avoid this so strange trouble? We are using the database format since the start of 99SE and - knock on wood - never had a data integrity problem. We are running NT4 latest SP, maybe that with W95/W98/ME such problems can rise up. I'm sure there's another group member with more experience in this context. Regards, Emanuel * Tracking #: D4968546BF533548A366EB35A09BE423009190AE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PPC to word insertion
Oddly enough, I found that the copy and paste from PrintPreview nearly always caused problems with arcs becoming circles. Thats why I resorted to the slightly lower quality way of using the screen capture method. Mike. Wolfgang.Geier@ jumptec.deTo: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: 15/07/2002Subject: Re: [PEDA] PPC to word insertion 11:10 Please respond to "Protel EDA Forum" Hi I simply use 'copy and paste' from PrintPreview to Word it works fine. >"Export as WMF" doesn't work, give me an "Exception Occured In >PCBPrint:PrintDocument...". >Probably, something wrong with my instaalation, but I don't have time to fix it >now. >Thanks everybody fo you help, but I don't have Acrobat and it seems to me a >little too complex solution. Wolfgang Geier JUMPtec AG PPC Embedded Components Brunnwiesenstrasse 16 D-94469 Deggendorf * Tracking #: F9590767500C5F4A8F6C77F6ABB9216E8CF438C0 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PPC to word insertion
Hi I simply use 'copy and paste' from PrintPreview to Word it works fine. >"Export as WMF" doesn't work, give me an "Exception Occured In >PCBPrint:PrintDocument...". >Probably, something wrong with my instaalation, but I don't have time to fix it >now. >Thanks everybody fo you help, but I don't have Acrobat and it seems to me a >little too complex solution. Wolfgang Geier JUMPtec AG PPC Embedded Components Brunnwiesenstrasse 16 D-94469 Deggendorf * Tracking #: F9590767500C5F4A8F6C77F6ABB9216E8CF438C0 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *