[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
I used the nitto mini front and wald basket, with a Tubus Tara lowrider on a 6K tour once.I would use the exact same setup if I did it again. The mini-front with wald basket and bungee is incredibly robust, flexible, and handy. Of course the Tubus low rider's reputation speaks for itself I think. However, I am sure I could have used a Nitto Big Front rack with wald basket and get similar performance. Good luck on your tour :D Matt On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:34:19 PM UTC-4, Darin G. wrote: My Atlantis is built up and riding (gratuitous plug for Saturday Cycles in SLC). An awesome dreadnaught of a bicycle. I'm running a Nitto Mini-Front with a Berthoud bag and decaleur on the front. I'm planning a tour and wondering what y'all use for a front touring rack. I'm thinking of pulling the Mini off and going with the Nitto Big Front. Seems the Berthoud bag would rest on it in fine, especially with the decaleur, and then I could hang the front panniers on as well. But,...wondering if there is some other option where I could keep the Mini-Front and use some kind of clamp on low-rider (Tubus? Bruce Gordon?). Is there a rack that would actually use the fork braze ons other than the Nitto? Suggestions with illustrative photos appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/k8-A4AlELEkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
I've been using the quickbeam crank on my bombadil for years, and have been slowly updating my other bikes with the same. The big ring on a triple has only ever been a dysfunctional, pant-leg eating guard for me anyway. Might as well have a real guard there :) Matt On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27:24 PM UTC-4, Scot Brooks wrote: Congratulations! I was in the same situation as you when I ordered my Sam. Had a 14 year old Bontrager Privateer Comp that had been through many reincarnations and it was time to get something new and nice. I think you're going to look back at this as one of the best and most overdue decisions you ever made. In answer your question about the crankset; I went with the triple because they accidentally shipped it to me (I ordered the double with the guard). After riding it for awhile, I removed the big ring in favor of the guard and I've never looked back. I still wish I got the double to begin with because the gearing would be just a bit more useful. In my case, I bought the 12-36 cassette from Riv and I never quite get to low gear even living in hilly Seattle. The cassette would make more sense with the 42/30 double or whatever it is, for me at least. As for the big Marathons, you can go wicked big if you want. I got some 700x47 ones to try on my Sam and they fit no sweat, even (kinda sorta) with fenders. I usually just ride the 38 version though. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:27:24 PM UTC-4, Scot Brooks wrote: Congratulations! I was in the same situation as you when I ordered my Sam. Had a 14 year old Bontrager Privateer Comp that had been through many reincarnations and it was time to get something new and nice. I think you're going to look back at this as one of the best and most overdue decisions you ever made. In answer your question about the crankset; I went with the triple because they accidentally shipped it to me (I ordered the double with the guard). After riding it for awhile, I removed the big ring in favor of the guard and I've never looked back. I still wish I got the double to begin with because the gearing would be just a bit more useful. In my case, I bought the 12-36 cassette from Riv and I never quite get to low gear even living in hilly Seattle. The cassette would make more sense with the 42/30 double or whatever it is, for me at least. As for the big Marathons, you can go wicked big if you want. I got some 700x47 ones to try on my Sam and they fit no sweat, even (kinda sorta) with fenders. I usually just ride the 38 version though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8Kznk-GFUKgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
I found the Barley too small for day rides and went with the Pendle. For both bags I inserted hard plastic backing to help them maintain their shape (cut from cat litter tubs). For both sprung and unsprung saddles, a Midlands bag support at $7.00 works great and keeps them from swaying, plus prevents them rubbing up against the backs of my thighs. I love the looks of the Carradice, but I wish they had different fasteners than the traditional buckles. They can be cumbersome, especially in winter when wearing a pair of gloves. On Apr 17, 11:59 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Thought of Barley until I purchased a Nelson Longflap...and glad I did. The Barley would be too small except in ideal weather (for me) In the summer I use a Banana bag for tools,tube, wallet and phone but in the rainy Northwest I need capacity for rain gear and a change of clothing etc. for the other nine months of the year. I imagine a Barley would be a nice bag to leave on all year with perhaps another (maybe a front bag) to supplement. I rack my Nelson now and am in the process of building a spartan rack / bag support / light mount. This rack will be made with the idea of adding and extension piece for a full rack when I want to camp or whatever. Still working on the design...with bags more is better when you actually want to carry stuff. When you go big you find stuff to carry that you might actually need or want to make cycling more enjoyable and less of a stranded in the middle of nowhere without what you need athletic event. ; ) On Apr 17, 2:36 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking of getting a Carradice Barley saddlebag but wanted to ask if anyone here is running one currently and how they like it. Also do you need a bag support with this thing like the now discontinued Hupe, and will it work with a sprung Brooks like the B72? Thanks to any help anyone can offer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
Another vote for the barley being a tad small.Good bag, but other than tools/spare tube and a sweater you're not fitting much in there. For Carradice, my faves are the camper and camper longflap.BUT you should take a long hard look at a Saddlesack Medium or Large. Those bags combined with a nitto top rack are ridiculously useful and well designed. -Matt On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:44:58 AM UTC-4, doc wrote: I found the Barley too small for day rides and went with the Pendle. For both bags I inserted hard plastic backing to help them maintain their shape (cut from cat litter tubs). For both sprung and unsprung saddles, a Midlands bag support at $7.00 works great and keeps them from swaying, plus prevents them rubbing up against the backs of my thighs. I love the looks of the Carradice, but I wish they had different fasteners than the traditional buckles. They can be cumbersome, especially in winter when wearing a pair of gloves. On Apr 17, 11:59 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Thought of Barley until I purchased a Nelson Longflap...and glad I did. The Barley would be too small except in ideal weather (for me) In the summer I use a Banana bag for tools,tube, wallet and phone but in the rainy Northwest I need capacity for rain gear and a change of clothing etc. for the other nine months of the year. I imagine a Barley would be a nice bag to leave on all year with perhaps another (maybe a front bag) to supplement. I rack my Nelson now and am in the process of building a spartan rack / bag support / light mount. This rack will be made with the idea of adding and extension piece for a full rack when I want to camp or whatever. Still working on the design...with bags more is better when you actually want to carry stuff. When you go big you find stuff to carry that you might actually need or want to make cycling more enjoyable and less of a stranded in the middle of nowhere without what you need athletic event. ; ) On Apr 17, 2:36 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking of getting a Carradice Barley saddlebag but wanted to ask if anyone here is running one currently and how they like it. Also do you need a bag support with this thing like the now discontinued Hupe, and will it work with a sprung Brooks like the B72? Thanks to any help anyone can offer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bgLIreamQBgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Platrack In Back
This I too shall try! Rhetorical question: perhaps there's a way of doing it without the diving board? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rlfetvIHBAYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot
Still available...thanks to an individual who appears to have flaked out the bike is now boxed and ready to ship. $1300 + shipping. On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:25:53 AM UTC-4, Kris wrote: 2 out of 3 interested parties have backed outfinances and size. The third is thinking. The Bleriot is still available and will finally be on eBay in the next 48 hrs if nobody is interested. Sorry for the multiple posts, but I really dislike using eBay for various reasons. On Mar 29, 9:42 am, Kris kkjellqu...@gmail.com wrote: The bike is still available. I have posted on my local craigslist sites. I would really like to not use eBay. Kris On Mar 28, 9:12 am, colin p. cummings colinthehip...@gmail.com wrote: What a deal. somebody gonna be happy when they get this. On Mar 27, 7:06 pm, Kris kkjellqu...@gmail.com wrote: MyBleriotis just not getting ridden enough and the poor guy is hanging on a hook all day. I am the original owner and purchased directly from QBP when I worked at a shop. I am only selling to finance the purchase of a Salsa Fargo. I am the original owner and it's in great condition. It has the usual nicks but no significant scratches. The Honjo fenders have some dings, but still look great! There's some wear on the head badge as well. Build; 59 cmBleriotframe and fork Shimano 600 headset Nitto Randonneur bar Nitto Technomic 110 stem Shimano R600 50/34 cranks Shimano Ultegra FD Shimano 105 RD Shimano Dura Ace bar end shifters Tektro R556 side pull calipers Cane Creek brake levers Shimano LX/Velocity Synergy wheel set Nifty Swifty Tires Honjo Fenders Campagnolo Athena seatpost No pedals, saddle or cassette (which was used on my main road bike) $1300 + shipping - pics available for those interested. I'm in Asheville, NC if someone local is interested.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3tU2VeUAXiAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with other Rivs?
Yeah, that covers it. Grant's been about maximizing brake clearance ever since he started Riv. The all 'rounder with canti brakes concept has always been part of it, and with each longer-reach sidepull that's been introduced, Rivendell has introduced an appropriate frame. The Heron road was designed to maximize the short reach brake that was the only thing available at the time. When the mid-reach brakes came out, the Rambioullet replaced the Heron Road. And the Saluki was a twofer, introducing both the current superlong sidepull brake and 650b. This frame lives on in the AHH. Each succesive Rivendell has also gotten a bit slacker, tourey/all roadier and a bit stouter. The Roadeo is a throwback to the sportier Rivs like the Heron road and Rambouillet, steeper, lighter, but with the long reach and tire/fender clearances that have become available the last few years. I personally think the Roadeo is the best pavement-oriented Riv ever made. If I didn't already have a Heron Road and a Rambouillet, I would buy one. Steve On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: One thing we tend to take a little for granted these days was the comparative lack of appropriate tires, brake and such which we are currently enjoying. At the time, the common brakes were typically short reach, and though the Rambouillet was designed for significant clearance, there was just not a lot of hardware which supported that idea. I recall GP lamenting in his end-of-year wish lists in Readers from then that he was hoping for standard reach brakes from the major manufacturers. When the Silver Brakes came out, this let GP start working on a truly large clearance, go-anywhere bike, which became the Hilsen. The Hilsen kind of slid the scale one way, and then the Roadeo was able to be notched a bit more toward the light and snappy (though, significantly, with no loss of clearances) range. Here's an interesting image or two - The Rambouillet rear clearance - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr24_pg21md.jpg Shown with a Pasela 35 (which during that era probably ran more like a 32) and Dia Compe 505Q brake. The Hilsen rear clearance - http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/AHH37PASsharpieRear.jpg Shown with a 37 Pasela and Silver brakes. As others mentioned, I do have a Rambouillet page here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ScfPUZY0N6MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Platrack Slickersack Marks Rack Combo for sale
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 19:33 -0700, Bill M. wrote: The subject line sounds like it could be a part of the signoff from NPR's Car Talk: ...and our executive producer Doug Free Lunch Berman, just back from the Hackensack Platrack, Slickersack, Mark's Rack, fatback, hardtack, lamb rack, Dry Sack and Monterey Jack On-Your-Back Snack Attack. or an American Express commercial -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Platrack In Back
And let's not forget this solution. Rube Goldberg has been busy with his own Platrack! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vLhnBeN3UsU/T465fRfV2QI/ADU/WoMc8pHUQHs/s1600/Nitto+PR.tiff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-oPiayYlVFIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
Hey, Bicycling Magazine every so often is good for something. I kid, I kid. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:02:56 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: What may seem intuitive to me today came from reading exactly the way you're doing now. It may be possible to teach oneself all the shifting tricks strictly from riding and doing, but I prefer to ask someone who already knows them. My front shifting approach was derived from a Bicycling Magazine article witten 20 years ago by Ned Overend..teaching mountain bike racing, of all things. It made sense; I tried it on the road; it worked. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:46:26 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: Joe - Thank you for the response - perfect description, and also the exact opposite of what I have been doing. To some of you guys may just be intuitive or obvious, but it takes me a little bit to catch on to things. I will also tighten the silvers up again. It does seem like I have to * really* have them tight in order for them not to slip on the Sam. I had a Salsa Casseroll that had silvers which was not nearly as finnicky. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:09:35 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: Zack, I live in a hilly area so I use all three rings pretty often..this may not apply to your terrain. Like you, I ride flattish roads in the middle ring, but when approaching an incline I'll usually shift to the small ring up front before bottoming out the gears in back. So my conditions are granny-ring for up, middle-ring for flat, big-ring for downhill. I'm using the front shifting to establish the parameters, then fine-tuning with the rear. Now here's where this helps with overshifts on the front: Let's say you're in the middle ring, in the highest gear in back. Look down and what do you see? The chain is angling to the right to get to the smallest rear cog. Now you want to shift the front of the chain to the right, also, to get your highest gear. You're more likely to throw the chain past the chainring in this situation because the rest of the chain is veering that way. But let's say you're only in the *middle *rear cogs, then decide to shift the front . Less chance of overthrow, because the chain started out in more of a straight line front-to-back before the front shift. This works the other direction, too. You're more likely to overshift the granny if the chain is already all the way to the spokes in back. I'm sorry if that's not clear, feel free to keep asking questions. Btw, my Rivendell Romulus came to me with a similar drivetrain, and overshifted like the dickens when I first got it. It was a hard lesson.. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:45:28 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: FD was from Riv, I had them do the setup last year when I got the bike. It would surprise me if I had already worn out either a chainring or a casette, only rode the Sam for the end of the summer until now, less than 1,000 miles I would imagine. slipping on the cogs, not the rings. have read the sheldon article on chains, and also the one on chain slip. I tried some grease underneath the bb to see if that will help. was just more interested in riding tips than troubleshooting the derailer stuff, as I have seen lots of tips on the derailers but not much on the riding. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:44:51 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit
[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
Does anybody know if the Nitto Big front rack fits the Atlantis without the use of P-clamps; does it just bolt right up to the braze on? On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:34:19 PM UTC-5, Darin G. wrote: My Atlantis is built up and riding (gratuitous plug for Saturday Cycles in SLC). An awesome dreadnaught of a bicycle. I'm running a Nitto Mini-Front with a Berthoud bag and decaleur on the front. I'm planning a tour and wondering what y'all use for a front touring rack. I'm thinking of pulling the Mini off and going with the Nitto Big Front. Seems the Berthoud bag would rest on it in fine, especially with the decaleur, and then I could hang the front panniers on as well. But,...wondering if there is some other option where I could keep the Mini-Front and use some kind of clamp on low-rider (Tubus? Bruce Gordon?). Is there a rack that would actually use the fork braze ons other than the Nitto? Suggestions with illustrative photos appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_0eYG9-kTDoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
There are several excellent front racks on the market, but few work elegantly with the Atlantis fork braze-ons. Do you have one of the new Atlantis forks that have threaded holes on top of the fork crown? I adapted a Surly front rack to work on my touring bike...basically by using some rear Surly rack hardware and mounting it like a rear rack making use of the top-crown connection. It was really strong and clean looking. I'll try to dig up a photo. But there is a downside: I quit using the Atlantis as a front loader, at least with the heavy loads the Surly rack allowed me to carry. I found it unnervingly flexy up front when the front load was substantial. This flexiness led me to conclude that 1 steerers and quill stems were at a disadvantage when carrying lots of weight up front. My Curt Goodrich tourer was 1-1/8 threadless, which felt much more solid up front regardless of how much stuff I carried. A friend of mine reached the same conclusion in the middle of a one-week tour when he tested a compsnion's Surly LHT after complaining that his otherwise gorgeous custom tourer (1 steerer) was scary with a heavy front load. I should clarify that the flexiness did not stop me from enjoying many happy trips and overnights on my Atlantis. The best front load solution I found was a Wald basket that I could clamp on the handlebar and zip-tie to the Nitto mini front. Anchoring the basket between the bar and rack made for a solid connection. Everything that I didn't want in the basket went on the back. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EpqQBJZktGEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
Yep. I've never used the QB crank, but have added Salsa Crossing Guards and Ring Dingers in place of big chainrings on many of my bikes over the years. For people who don't like the prevalence of 11t cogs on cassettes...it's not so bad when your big ring is a 36 or 38 or 40t. In fact, at least once I ditched the front derailleur and shifter. Unless the bike was loaded, I rarely needed the granny. The front derailer and shifter were dead weight and a mechanical liability. For occasional granny gear use, I shifter with my finger (I suggest stopping the bike first). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dxAjY5Fj8PgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
On Apr 18, 12:14 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using the quickbeam crank on my bombadil for years, and have been slowly updating my other bikes with the same. The big ring on a triple has only ever been a dysfunctional, pant-leg eating guard for me anyway. Might as well have a real guard there :) Matt More and more this set-up is making sense to me. I have a pair of VO 50.4 BCD cranks on my rando bike and while I love the 46/30 rings I just don't like the cranks. Set-up is a bit tricky as it's much easier to have issues with chainline and the crank arms hitting the chain due to the design. Why they didn't update the design a bit, like Rene Herse did, rather than just make a straight copy of the TA crank is beyond me. Also, I don't know that I'm a van of the super low q- factor. I sold my QB a while back but kept the cranks. I may use them on my Hilsen with an 8-spd 11-32 cassette. Two questions: 1) What derailer do I use? Double? Triple? 2) Are there any issues I need to be aware of when using the big (middle) ring and the lowest or highest gear? I guess I have a third question, how do I determine chain length, just wrap the chain around the big (middle) ring and lowest gear? Thanks! --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
I don't have an Atlantis...yet. I am trying to decide between the Atlantis, the Hunqapillar or maybe even a Bombadil for loaded touring and as a camp/trail bike to compliment my Sam Hillborne (more roadish setup). I am on the small side, so it would be 26 wheels on the Hunq or Atlantis or 650b for the Bombadil and was just trying to get a feel for what front rack combo would be appropriate. I believe the Hunq and the Bombadil have threaded holes on the top of the fork crown; I didn't realize the new Atlantis ones did too. I have a Jamis Aurora that has seen better days and probably should be made into a commuter instead of a touring bike. I used it with a Nitto mini front rack and a Wald basket for my last tour. It worked fine, but I would like to be able to get more weight down low if I buy a new touring bike. Thanks for relaying your experience with the quill stem/threaded headset on a front loader. It is certainly something to think about before putting a deposit down. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:08:05 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: There are several excellent front racks on the market, but few work elegantly with the Atlantis fork braze-ons. Do you have one of the new Atlantis forks that have threaded holes on top of the fork crown? I adapted a Surly front rack to work on my touring bike...basically by using some rear Surly rack hardware and mounting it like a rear rack making use of the top-crown connection. It was really strong and clean looking. I'll try to dig up a photo. But there is a downside: I quit using the Atlantis as a front loader, at least with the heavy loads the Surly rack allowed me to carry. I found it unnervingly flexy up front when the front load was substantial. This flexiness led me to conclude that 1 steerers and quill stems were at a disadvantage when carrying lots of weight up front. My Curt Goodrich tourer was 1-1/8 threadless, which felt much more solid up front regardless of how much stuff I carried. A friend of mine reached the same conclusion in the middle of a one-week tour when he tested a compsnion's Surly LHT after complaining that his otherwise gorgeous custom tourer (1 steerer) was scary with a heavy front load. I should clarify that the flexiness did not stop me from enjoying many happy trips and overnights on my Atlantis. The best front load solution I found was a Wald basket that I could clamp on the handlebar and zip-tie to the Nitto mini front. Anchoring the basket between the bar and rack made for a solid connection. Everything that I didn't want in the basket went on the back. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UmikuV8QQWEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
Hi Mike, I just use a triple derailleur, and have adjusted the screws so that it doesn't shift past the middle ring. For chain length I use the middle ring and largest rear cog +2 links, and that seems to work OK. The stock 40/32 of the QB crank may not give you the full range you want but it is not awful.When it came time for new rings I went with a 28t small ring. If running 700c wheels with fat tires you may not even need 40t on the 'big' (middle) ring and could go to a 36/26 or something.Anyway it's great to hop on the bike and not worry about tying up your pant leg all the time.The guard also slides right over small fallen trees. -Matt. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:36:41 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: On Apr 18, 12:14 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using the quickbeam crank on my bombadil for years, and have been slowly updating my other bikes with the same. The big ring on a triple has only ever been a dysfunctional, pant-leg eating guard for me anyway. Might as well have a real guard there :) Matt More and more this set-up is making sense to me. I have a pair of VO 50.4 BCD cranks on my rando bike and while I love the 46/30 rings I just don't like the cranks. Set-up is a bit tricky as it's much easier to have issues with chainline and the crank arms hitting the chain due to the design. Why they didn't update the design a bit, like Rene Herse did, rather than just make a straight copy of the TA crank is beyond me. Also, I don't know that I'm a van of the super low q- factor. I sold my QB a while back but kept the cranks. I may use them on my Hilsen with an 8-spd 11-32 cassette. Two questions: 1) What derailer do I use? Double? Triple? 2) Are there any issues I need to be aware of when using the big (middle) ring and the lowest or highest gear? I guess I have a third question, how do I determine chain length, just wrap the chain around the big (middle) ring and lowest gear? Thanks! --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Pp8xAw8KmCEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
Not sure if this is perfectly responsive, but here's an Atlantis (mine) with a Nitto Big Front Rack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815789426/in/set-72157624427413755 It worked very well on a tour with a Wald basket zip-tied on, a small Berthoud handlebar bag above (with the Klik-Fix handlebar mount -- mount without bag is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815790104/in/set-72157624427413755/) and Arkel small panniers below. Handled very nicely, though I may not be as sensitive to handling nuances as others on the list. I believe I could have mounted without P-clamps, but the Paul brakes got in the way. The picture shows where. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Darin G. Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:34 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis My Atlantis is built up and riding (gratuitous plug for Saturday Cycles in SLC). An awesome dreadnaught of a bicycle. I'm running a Nitto Mini-Front with a Berthoud bag and decaleur on the front. I'm planning a tour and wondering what y'all use for a front touring rack. I'm thinking of pulling the Mini off and going with the Nitto Big Front. Seems the Berthoud bag would rest on it in fine, especially with the decaleur, and then I could hang the front panniers on as well. But,...wondering if there is some other option where I could keep the Mini-Front and use some kind of clamp on low-rider (Tubus? Bruce Gordon?). Is there a rack that would actually use the fork braze ons other than the Nitto? Suggestions with illustrative photos appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rl8X20oPUZ0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
PS I haven't had any problems using the big (middle) ring across all the cogs, but tend to prefer shifting down to the small ring when on the biggest 2 cogs. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:36:41 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: On Apr 18, 12:14 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using the quickbeam crank on my bombadil for years, and have been slowly updating my other bikes with the same. The big ring on a triple has only ever been a dysfunctional, pant-leg eating guard for me anyway. Might as well have a real guard there :) Matt More and more this set-up is making sense to me. I have a pair of VO 50.4 BCD cranks on my rando bike and while I love the 46/30 rings I just don't like the cranks. Set-up is a bit tricky as it's much easier to have issues with chainline and the crank arms hitting the chain due to the design. Why they didn't update the design a bit, like Rene Herse did, rather than just make a straight copy of the TA crank is beyond me. Also, I don't know that I'm a van of the super low q- factor. I sold my QB a while back but kept the cranks. I may use them on my Hilsen with an 8-spd 11-32 cassette. Two questions: 1) What derailer do I use? Double? Triple? 2) Are there any issues I need to be aware of when using the big (middle) ring and the lowest or highest gear? I guess I have a third question, how do I determine chain length, just wrap the chain around the big (middle) ring and lowest gear? Thanks! --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7YRbAfdElTwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
My usual commuting bag is a Carradice Super C, which is similar in size to the Nelson and Camper but with plastic clips instead of straps and buckles. Much easier. Jay On Apr 18, 1:44 pm, doc gspi...@aol.com wrote: I found the Barley too small for day rides and went with the Pendle. For both bags I inserted hard plastic backing to help them maintain their shape (cut from cat litter tubs). For both sprung and unsprung saddles, a Midlands bag support at $7.00 works great and keeps them from swaying, plus prevents them rubbing up against the backs of my thighs. I love the looks of the Carradice, but I wish they had different fasteners than the traditional buckles. They can be cumbersome, especially in winter when wearing a pair of gloves. On Apr 17, 11:59 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Thought of Barley until I purchased a Nelson Longflap...and glad I did. The Barley would be too small except in ideal weather (for me) In the summer I use a Banana bag for tools,tube, wallet and phone but in the rainy Northwest I need capacity for rain gear and a change of clothing etc. for the other nine months of the year. I imagine a Barley would be a nice bag to leave on all year with perhaps another (maybe a front bag) to supplement. I rack my Nelson now and am in the process of building a spartan rack / bag support / light mount. This rack will be made with the idea of adding and extension piece for a full rack when I want to camp or whatever. Still working on the design...with bags more is better when you actually want to carry stuff. When you go big you find stuff to carry that you might actually need or want to make cycling more enjoyable and less of a stranded in the middle of nowhere without what you need athletic event. ; ) On Apr 17, 2:36 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking of getting a Carradice Barley saddlebag but wanted to ask if anyone here is running one currently and how they like it. Also do you need a bag support with this thing like the now discontinued Hupe, and will it work with a sprung Brooks like the B72? Thanks to any help anyone can offer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
Tom, why must you always taunt me with your pewter Atlantis? The tax return could buy it, and the build kit is 100% in place (including Nitto Big Front and Rear racks). The only thing I'm missing is cloth bar tape (thanks in part to you), and the blasted frameset. But the family unit won't approve it. Torture. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:56:22 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Not sure if this is perfectly responsive, but here's an Atlantis (mine) with a Nitto Big Front Rack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815789426/in/set-72157624427413755 It worked very well on a tour with a Wald basket zip-tied on, a small Berthoud handlebar bag above (with the Klik-Fix handlebar mount -- mount without bag is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815790104/in/set-72157624427413755/) and Arkel small panniers below. Handled very nicely, though I may not be as sensitive to handling nuances as others on the list. I believe I could have mounted without P-clamps, but the Paul brakes got in the way. The picture shows where. -- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin G. *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:34 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis My Atlantis is built up and riding (gratuitous plug for Saturday Cycles in SLC). An awesome dreadnaught of a bicycle. I'm running a Nitto Mini-Front with a Berthoud bag and decaleur on the front. I'm planning a tour and wondering what y'all use for a front touring rack. I'm thinking of pulling the Mini off and going with the Nitto Big Front. Seems the Berthoud bag would rest on it in fine, especially with the decaleur, and then I could hang the front panniers on as well. But,...wondering if there is some other option where I could keep the Mini-Front and use some kind of clamp on low-rider (Tubus? Bruce Gordon?). Is there a rack that would actually use the fork braze ons other than the Nitto? Suggestions with illustrative photos appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rl8X20oPUZ0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/N6p-6xrDjDsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
If I could just finish my $%*%^#@^$%mailto:$%*%^#@^$% Rohloff-equipped Bombadil, maybe I'd sell you the Atlantis. But I haven't been able to make it work to my satisfaction. I haven't yet taped the bars on my SimpleOne, though -- if you need the orange tape back (it's not available any more, right?), I'd be delighted to sell it back to you at an appropriately inflated price. ;-) Seriously, I like that color, but if you're pining for it, let me know, and I'll shoot it back across our great nation. I'm probably going to tape the bars on that bike tonight. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:26 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis Tom, why must you always taunt me with your pewter Atlantis? The tax return could buy it, and the build kit is 100% in place (including Nitto Big Front and Rear racks). The only thing I'm missing is cloth bar tape (thanks in part to you), and the blasted frameset. But the family unit won't approve it. Torture. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:56:22 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Not sure if this is perfectly responsive, but here's an Atlantis (mine) with a Nitto Big Front Rack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815789426/in/set-72157624427413755 It worked very well on a tour with a Wald basket zip-tied on, a small Berthoud handlebar bag above (with the Klik-Fix handlebar mount -- mount without bag is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815790104/in/set-72157624427413755/) and Arkel small panniers below. Handled very nicely, though I may not be as sensitive to handling nuances as others on the list. I believe I could have mounted without P-clamps, but the Paul brakes got in the way. The picture shows where. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Darin G. Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:34 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis My Atlantis is built up and riding (gratuitous plug for Saturday Cycles in SLC). An awesome dreadnaught of a bicycle. I'm running a Nitto Mini-Front with a Berthoud bag and decaleur on the front. I'm planning a tour and wondering what y'all use for a front touring rack. I'm thinking of pulling the Mini off and going with the Nitto Big Front. Seems the Berthoud bag would rest on it in fine, especially with the decaleur, and then I could hang the front panniers on as well. But,...wondering if there is some other option where I could keep the Mini-Front and use some kind of clamp on low-rider (Tubus? Bruce Gordon?). Is there a rack that would actually use the fork braze ons other than the Nitto? Suggestions with illustrative photos appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rl8X20oPUZ0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be
RE: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
sorry all, meant to reply off list From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allingham II, Thomas J Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:32 AM To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis If I could just finish my $%*%^#@^$%mailto:$%*%^#@^$% Rohloff-equipped Bombadil, maybe I'd sell you the Atlantis. But I haven't been able to make it work to my satisfaction. I haven't yet taped the bars on my SimpleOne, though -- if you need the orange tape back (it's not available any more, right?), I'd be delighted to sell it back to you at an appropriately inflated price. ;-) Seriously, I like that color, but if you're pining for it, let me know, and I'll shoot it back across our great nation. I'm probably going to tape the bars on that bike tonight. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:26 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis Tom, why must you always taunt me with your pewter Atlantis? The tax return could buy it, and the build kit is 100% in place (including Nitto Big Front and Rear racks). The only thing I'm missing is cloth bar tape (thanks in part to you), and the blasted frameset. But the family unit won't approve it. Torture. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:56:22 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Not sure if this is perfectly responsive, but here's an Atlantis (mine) with a Nitto Big Front Rack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815789426/in/set-72157624427413755 It worked very well on a tour with a Wald basket zip-tied on, a small Berthoud handlebar bag above (with the Klik-Fix handlebar mount -- mount without bag is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815790104/in/set-72157624427413755/) and Arkel small panniers below. Handled very nicely, though I may not be as sensitive to handling nuances as others on the list. I believe I could have mounted without P-clamps, but the Paul brakes got in the way. The picture shows where. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Darin G. Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:34 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis My Atlantis is built up and riding (gratuitous plug for Saturday Cycles in SLC). An awesome dreadnaught of a bicycle. I'm running a Nitto Mini-Front with a Berthoud bag and decaleur on the front. I'm planning a tour and wondering what y'all use for a front touring rack. I'm thinking of pulling the Mini off and going with the Nitto Big Front. Seems the Berthoud bag would rest on it in fine, especially with the decaleur, and then I could hang the front panniers on as well. But,...wondering if there is some other option where I could keep the Mini-Front and use some kind of clamp on low-rider (Tubus? Bruce Gordon?). Is there a rack that would actually use the fork braze ons other than the Nitto? Suggestions with illustrative photos appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rl8X20oPUZ0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any
Re: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis
Thanks Tom, but you forget I need a 58. Your 61 is all the more unattainably irresistable for that reason. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:32:19 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: If I could just finish my* *$%*%^#@^$% Rohloff-equipped Bombadil, maybe I'd sell you the Atlantis. But I haven't been able to make it work to my satisfaction. I haven't yet taped the bars on my SimpleOne, though -- if you need the orange tape back (it's not available any more, right?), I'd be delighted to sell it back to you at an appropriately inflated price. ;-) Seriously, I like that color, but if you're pining for it, let me know, and I'll shoot it back across our great nation. I'm probably going to tape the bars on that bike tonight. -- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *William *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:26 AM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis Tom, why must you always taunt me with your pewter Atlantis? The tax return could buy it, and the build kit is 100% in place (including Nitto Big Front and Rear racks). The only thing I'm missing is cloth bar tape (thanks in part to you), and the blasted frameset. But the family unit won't approve it. Torture. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:56:22 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote: Not sure if this is perfectly responsive, but here's an Atlantis (mine) with a Nitto Big Front Rack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815789426/in/set-72157624427413755 It worked very well on a tour with a Wald basket zip-tied on, a small Berthoud handlebar bag above (with the Klik-Fix handlebar mount -- mount without bag is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815790104/in/set-72157624427413755/) and Arkel small panniers below. Handled very nicely, though I may not be as sensitive to handling nuances as others on the list. I believe I could have mounted without P-clamps, but the Paul brakes got in the way. The picture shows where. -- *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin G. *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:34 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Front Rack for Touring With Atlantis My Atlantis is built up and riding (gratuitous plug for Saturday Cycles in SLC). An awesome dreadnaught of a bicycle. I'm running a Nitto Mini-Front with a Berthoud bag and decaleur on the front. I'm planning a tour and wondering what y'all use for a front touring rack. I'm thinking of pulling the Mini off and going with the Nitto Big Front. Seems the Berthoud bag would rest on it in fine, especially with the decaleur, and then I could hang the front panniers on as well. But,...wondering if there is some other option where I could keep the Mini-Front and use some kind of clamp on low-rider (Tubus? Bruce Gordon?). Is there a rack that would actually use the fork braze ons other than the Nitto? Suggestions with illustrative photos appreciated. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rl8X20oPUZ0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a
[RBW] Re: Platrack In Back
Thomas- I was thinking the same thing myself. The Mark's rack comes with a additional pair of shorter, bent stays - if you look on the Riv site the photo of the rack installed in the rear is using these stays on the upper hourglass mounts. I don't recall my rack coming with the additional set of draw bolts, but per the Riv site they do, so mine must be in the parts box somewhere! -Pete On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:36:52 AM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: This I too shall try! Rhetorical question: perhaps there's a way of doing it without the diving board? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4OKbxx-esZUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Platrack In Back
... although, looking at the photo again, it appears that the Platrack bolts occupy the holes that the upper stays would use. The draw bolts might be long enough to go through both the MR and PR tabs... not sure. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:00:25 AM UTC-4, Peter Pesce wrote: Thomas- I was thinking the same thing myself. The Mark's rack comes with a additional pair of shorter, bent stays - if you look on the Riv site the photo of the rack installed in the rear is using these stays on the upper hourglass mounts. I don't recall my rack coming with the additional set of draw bolts, but per the Riv site they do, so mine must be in the parts box somewhere! -Pete On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:36:52 AM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: This I too shall try! Rhetorical question: perhaps there's a way of doing it without the diving board? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oQdhHBPLjfIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Albatross OR Bosco
Thanks a lot for the thoughts on the bars. I now much better understand the differences. Best wishes, Christian On Friday, April 13, 2012 8:21:51 AM UTC-4, Christian wrote: Hi everyone I am in the market for a new set of bars. I'd like to get either the Bosco or the Albatross. I've been following the progress of the Bosco and have duly noted the high praise the Albatrosses receive. I am sure I'd be happy with either one. But I wonder if someone could help me figure out what the Bosco does that the Albatross does not do and vice versa. Of course from photos they do appear different yet they also fill a similar need. Thoughts? If anyone has Albatrosses they're thinking of selling or trading let me know--a long shot, to be sure. I've got some newish Salsa Cowbells and a some used On One Midges. Thanks, Christian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hF23T81x4aIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: pre-ordered a blue Sam Hillborne a few minutes ago
Thanks for the info Matt. And to the original poster, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Congrats on the new bike. I'm sure you'll love it. Be sure to post pictures once it arrives. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:48:29 AM UTC-7, newenglandbike wrote: Another vote for the barley being a tad small.Good bag, but other than tools/spare tube and a sweater you're not fitting much in there. For Carradice, my faves are the camper and camper longflap.BUT you should take a long hard look at a Saddlesack Medium or Large. Those bags combined with a nitto top rack are ridiculously useful and well designed. In my experience the Barley is the perfect size for all day explores. I had a medium Saddlesack; it's a great bag but I found it much bigger than I would need for less than several days out. I pack light and live in N. California, which has some weather but generally nothing too extreme. I use a Hupe, but it's to keep the bag back; I don't need it for tire clearance. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/PNVL-o4NCzgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
Which one is the shifter bolt? If I ask the LBS will they know which one it is? I do have the Silver shifters. It is a 8 speed. It only skips occasionally - twice in 14 miles. It's more an annoyance since there are no squeaks or rattles otherwise. Thanks, Pam On Apr 17, 8:07 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: If it's skipping around the rear cluster with Silver shifters, I'd suggest making sure the shifter bolt is tight. Also, I find that these shifters are at their best with 7/8sp cassettes or freewheels. With 9sp, the ratcheting is too imprecise for my tastes, but others report apparently satisfactory performance. Otherwise, try to soft-pedal when shifting, shift before you NEED to shift, and try to shift gracefully and in a controlled way rather than slamming the shifter into position with a wild motion. Probably nobody has discussed the finer points of the process because there isn't much to discuss. It's pretty unsophisticated (don't tell anyone). On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:45:28 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote: FD was from Riv, I had them do the setup last year when I got the bike. It would surprise me if I had already worn out either a chainring or a casette, only rode the Sam for the end of the summer until now, less than 1,000 miles I would imagine. slipping on the cogs, not the rings. have read the sheldon article on chains, and also the one on chain slip. I tried some grease underneath the bb to see if that will help. was just more interested in riding tips than troubleshooting the derailer stuff, as I have seen lots of tips on the derailers but not much on the riding. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:44:51 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Small Betty
Just wondering if anyone has an old Betty that you don't want. My daughter likes mine so much that she wants one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot
I'd buy it if it was my size. I'm short. I have a 47 cm Betty. On Mar 27, 8:06 pm, Kris kkjellqu...@gmail.com wrote: My Bleriot is just not getting ridden enough and the poor guy is hanging on a hook all day. I am the original owner and purchased directly from QBP when I worked at a shop. I am only selling to finance the purchase of a Salsa Fargo. I am the original owner and it's in great condition. It has the usual nicks but no significant scratches. The Honjo fenders have some dings, but still look great! There's some wear on the head badge as well. Build; 59 cm Bleriot frame and fork Shimano 600 headset Nitto Randonneur bar Nitto Technomic 110 stem Shimano R600 50/34 cranks Shimano Ultegra FD Shimano 105 RD Shimano Dura Ace bar end shifters Tektro R556 side pull calipers Cane Creek brake levers Shimano LX/Velocity Synergy wheel set Nifty Swifty Tires Honjo Fenders Campagnolo Athena seatpost No pedals, saddle or cassette (which was used on my main road bike) $1300 + shipping - pics available for those interested. I'm in Asheville, NC if someone local is interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Needed: Silver shifter square washer or replacement shifter
Am interested in trading for or buying, in order of preference: Silver shifter square washer; replacement shifter mech minus pod; replacement shifter mech with pod. Thanks. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot
Yanking this thread violently in my own direction: RANT: about people who, when they see a FS post, immediately scream, OH! I wannit! I wannit!!! And then, after you patient answer questions and send photos, disappear into the neant. I don't mind people backing out. I've done it myself a few times. What I mind is the rudeness that doesn't bother to ask, I've changed my mind -- do you mind? and simply slinks off into the outer darkness without another word. The few times I've backed out, I always ask if the seller will permit me to do so and I append an offer to follow through with the purchase if the seller insists. My request to change my mind has not been turned down and the sellers all have seemed willing to let me back out. I do this only rarely; usually, even when I have second thoughts I go through with the promise to pay and purchase. Note: I believe that backing out of a commitment to buy even after asking and being granted permission is at least slightly flakey, so I am guilty thus far of flakiness myself, but just disappearing is not excusable. This does not happen only on the RBW list, of course, it's all over, but it is damn'd rude! Rant over; back to your regular programming. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Kris kkjellqu...@gmail.com wrote: Still available...thanks to an individual who appears to have flaked out the bike is now boxed and ready to ship. $1300 + shipping. - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
+1 for the SQR. I've owned at least three, probably more, and have sold them all after (cyclically) going back to rack+panniers, but I agree that for a QR mount, for a saddle that does not have saddlebag strap slots, and for bikes where you need to hold the bag high to gain more clearance over the rear tire, the SQR is the best solution I've found. Note that it does have a 10 kg/22 lb weight limit (per Carradice). Note also that you can, if you are careful and fastidious about pulling the straps as tight as you can, easily mount a saddlebag on the rails of a non-Brooks saddle -- the Hoss on my trike is so mounted and carries 30 lb loads easily and well. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Carradice Barley and the Acorn Boxy Rando Bag are my two main bags. You can fit an amazing amount of stuff into a Barley Bag. I use mine with the Carradice SQR, which I also really like but I think if your bike is tall enough with enough seatpost to keep the bag off the fender or tire I you could get along without a support. Carradice makes a bag support that attaches to the saddle rails but I'm not sure if that would work with a sprung saddle, and some people have reported difficulty keeping it tight.. The SQR attaches to the seat post and is absolutely the quickest on off the bike you can get. I have an extra seat post attachment so I can move the bag between bikes. Harris Cycles carries all the parts. BTW, the Carradice site could lead you to believe that the SQR goes with an SQR designed bag; that's not true, almost any bag with saddle seatpost straps will work. It does allow some back and forth movement which I notice while climbing standing up, but there is no lateral movement at all. Short answer... a great bag. Michael On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:36:31 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: Thinking of getting a Carradice Barley saddlebag but wanted to ask if anyone here is running one currently and how they like it. Also do you need a bag support with this thing like the now discontinued Hupe, and will it work with a sprung Brooks like the B72? Thanks to any help anyone can offer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wCqR7ML38QYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
Peter, Only you can decide whether it is too small for your intended purpose. I have a Barley, a Lowsaddle Longflap, and a Nelson LF, and they all have different uses. The Barley is good for a day trip to bring extra clothing, some food, books, etc. Not really for carrying groceries or such. But, you will likely not need a rack or other support for it. It is small enough that if you ride a bike bigger than 52 or so, it probably won't rub the tire, and because of its size, you will probably not load it too heavily. I ride ~54 bikes, and I use a SQR for my LSLF. Greg On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:36:31 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Thinking of getting a Carradice Barley saddlebag but wanted to ask if anyone here is running one currently and how they like it. Also do you need a bag support with this thing like the now discontinued Hupe, and will it work with a sprung Brooks like the B72? Thanks to any help anyone can offer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sxj2OxF0nPMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
It's the little loop bolt that attaches the shifter to the frame or to the bar-end pod. You can tighten it with your fingers. Your LBS will know exactly what to do, if you ask. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:03:25 AM UTC-5, pam wrote: Which one is the shifter bolt? If I ask the LBS will they know which one it is? I do have the Silver shifters. It is a 8 speed. It only skips occasionally - twice in 14 miles. It's more an annoyance since there are no squeaks or rattles otherwise. Thanks, Pam On Apr 17, 8:07 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: If it's skipping around the rear cluster with Silver shifters, I'd suggest making sure the shifter bolt is tight. Also, I find that these shifters are at their best with 7/8sp cassettes or freewheels. With 9sp, the ratcheting is too imprecise for my tastes, but others report apparently satisfactory performance. Otherwise, try to soft-pedal when shifting, shift before you NEED to shift, and try to shift gracefully and in a controlled way rather than slamming the shifter into position with a wild motion. Probably nobody has discussed the finer points of the process because there isn't much to discuss. It's pretty unsophisticated (don't tell anyone). On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:45:28 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote: FD was from Riv, I had them do the setup last year when I got the bike. It would surprise me if I had already worn out either a chainring or a casette, only rode the Sam for the end of the summer until now, less than 1,000 miles I would imagine. slipping on the cogs, not the rings. have read the sheldon article on chains, and also the one on chain slip. I tried some grease underneath the bb to see if that will help. was just more interested in riding tips than troubleshooting the derailer stuff, as I have seen lots of tips on the derailers but not much on the riding. On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:44:51 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/9gH8HbTo9mkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
I have a bit of Goldilocks syndrome w/ tires. I know the perfect one has to
be out there somewhere... I've run thousands of miles with Rollies/Tuffies
and a few hundred w/ Grand Bois (both 27 and 30mm). The GBs feel absolutely
divine. Like *nothing *else out there. But more goat head punctures than
normal, and chunks were quickly being taken out of the tires. Just too
delicate for *my *needs. The RP/RTs in comparison *feel *clunky and the RTs
in particular are noticeably slower (non-scientific coasting test down my
street). Over time the tread also separates from the casing, but that may
be particular to my situation.
To be honest, I haven't found a perfect tire smaller than 33.3mm. Both Jack
Brown Greens and Pasela 35mm are absolutely fantastic for me, minus
goathead protection (and that's w/ TourGuard tires). I just had a puncture
last night from one of them. The JBs slow my steering a little bit on my
go-fast bike built for 28mm, but that's the only issue I've had with them.
I don't know if that's due to extra mass or change in pneumatic trail from
the extra ~5mm.
In the end you're just going to have to put some $$$ out and try to find
what works for you. If it doesn't fit your needs, you can easily re-sell
the tires and try something else.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:55:06 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
Prompted by this thread I changed out the Rolly Poly/Ruffy Tuffy
front/rear combo on my road bike wheels to the pair of (what I have
considered to be special event) Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires. I rode them for
25 mountainy miles yesterday and enjoyed their feel immensely. Today I got
a front goathead flat. This is the 3rd flat I have had on these tires in
about a dozen rides. This is by far the worst flat record of any tire I
have used, ever. I understand I cannot say this will be the flat record for
me in the future or for you in your environment, but my faith in the tire
is shaken and it affects the enjoyment of my ride. I am putting more effort
into scanning the road or trying to stay off the dirtier portions of the
road instead of enjoying the view or thinking my deep thoughts. {~;
.
When I got home I fixed the flat, pulled the GB Cerfs and replaced them
with the RP/RT combo. As I was changing them, I weighed them on my Park
digital spring scale. To the nearest ounce, the Cerf was 10oz, Rolly
Poly 11oz, Ruffy Tuffy 13oz, Jack Brown Green 33mm was 12-13oz. All of
these tires are made by Panasonic. Now I believe Jan Heine's rollout tire
comparisons are valid. But for me to flat every second or third ride is
just not worth the lower rolling resistance or an ounce or two of rotating
weight.
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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
I'm a friction noob too but some things that helped me: - Move to a compact double. Seriously. I have one less gear I didn't need anyway and I fiddle with my shifters 90% less. Anyone who says a triple in front is just as easy as a double hash been riding bikes for a very long time, or loves their set up so much they refuse to realize the added complexity. - Know that even with brifters triples are annoying - Friction shifting can be like driving a manual. You learn to shift at the right speed, at the right time. Faster is not best. - Shift less. - Good shifters are allot better than crappy ones. I have Shimanos which are OK. I want Silvers which I tried the other day and liked allot better. Old school Suntour Ratchets were good too. - A unified drivetrain helps. Some people can cobble together all softs of parts and friction shift just fine. In fact it's the reason some people prefer friction. I however found my all 8-speed set up to be nearly flawless. I had lots of mis shifting with a mixed up drivetrain. - Rapid rise derailler. In hilly Seattle this really helps me shift uphills. - Like everything: practice. - If you can over/under shift your chain off gears and you corrected your adjustment screws then either* something is broken* or not set up right. The older... *ahem* wiser folks can't remember how tricky adjustment screws can be when first learning how to set this stuff up. It takes practice or someone really showing you how to do it. I hope any of this helps. It may be stuff that only worked for me but now I could never go back to indexed shifting. - Ryan On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:44:51 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wszd9neWSoQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Small Betty
Smart kid! On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:05:30 AM UTC-7, pam wrote: Just wondering if anyone has an old Betty that you don't want. My daughter likes mine so much that she wants one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ssHecggFwy8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Arkel bags and Dapper Dan grips
Hi! Dapper Dan light are gone still available are Arkel Big Bar Bag Dapper Dan dark Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/10Hv5YkFkDoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Needed: Silver shifter square washer or replacement shifter
When you say pod, that tells me you are asking about Silver Shifters in the barcon configuration. The square washer for a barcon configuration and the square washer for a downtube configuration are two different things, so you should specify in your request. Although the downtube version is soft aluminum and can be easily filed down to resemble the barcon version. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:08:04 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Am interested in trading for or buying, in order of preference: Silver shifter square washer; replacement shifter mech minus pod; replacement shifter mech with pod. Thanks. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K8qV3r5b4J0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
MichaelH illustrates how little difference it makes. Three minutes is his
largest variation in his 18 mile ride on a variety of different tires with
different bikes, and that variation wasn't even reproducible in a second
trial. I spent seven years in grad school doing science, so I can see that
there are confounding factors in Michael's research that muddy the waters.
But his over all consistency from tire to tire and bike to bike suggests
(if not proves) that tire differences play much less role than, say, the
rider's day to day energy level and attitude, wind direction, and countless
other factors. Comparing one lightweight 700x28 tire to another is really
splitting hairs.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:16:05 PM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:
Another single data point.
Along with the post on where the Rambouillet fit in the Riv line up, I
rode an 18 mile loop from my home on my Ram with a pair of Continental GP4,
23 mm tires. (A gift). The course has 900 feet of climbing and includes
4-5 miles of dirt roads, with the rest equally divided among good pavement,
bad pavement, and atrocious pavement. After the ride I recorded my time
subjective impressions (painful). I also discovered a cut in the sidewall
of the rear tire, so I decide to replicate the ride with a variety of bikes
and ties. I rode it twice on my Ebisu with Jack Browns. The first ride
was 3 minutes slower but the second was identical, although a lot more
comfortable. I rode it once with my Trek T Serve (30mm actual). My time
was right between the faster and slower rides the comfort just a nudge
below the JB. Now the wind has shifted around from the south to the west (
it has been blowing at 20 -25 mph, making this very real world test) and
the dirt road has been graded, leaving it's surface full of rocks and loose
sand, so it's really hard going now. Hard to make comparisons. I'm in
Boston for the weekend and heavy rain forecasted for next week so this test
will be suspended for a while.
I'm not sure where this leaves me. I'd like to put the Grand Bois Green
on my ram but am wondering if the perceived advantage is worth the added
flats.
Michael
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:29:48 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
I'm in the same boat with Pari-Motos. I flat almost every ride with
Pari-Motos, and almost never with anything else. I've put them back on
with Foss tubes to try again. I like the ride of them, but the flat record
is pretty bad for me. For me it's been glass.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:55:06 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
Prompted by this thread I changed out the Rolly Poly/Ruffy Tuffy
front/rear combo on my road bike wheels to the pair of (what I have
considered to be special event) Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires. I rode them for
25 mountainy miles yesterday and enjoyed their feel immensely. Today I got
a front goathead flat. This is the 3rd flat I have had on these tires in
about a dozen rides. This is by far the worst flat record of any tire I
have used, ever. I understand I cannot say this will be the flat record for
me in the future or for you in your environment, but my faith in the tire
is shaken and it affects the enjoyment of my ride. I am putting more effort
into scanning the road or trying to stay off the dirtier portions of the
road instead of enjoying the view or thinking my deep thoughts. {~;
.
When I got home I fixed the flat, pulled the GB Cerfs and replaced them
with the RP/RT combo. As I was changing them, I weighed them on my Park
digital spring scale. To the nearest ounce, the Cerf was 10oz, Rolly
Poly 11oz, Ruffy Tuffy 13oz, Jack Brown Green 33mm was 12-13oz. All of
these tires are made by Panasonic. Now I believe Jan Heine's rollout tire
comparisons are valid. But for me to flat every second or third ride is
just not worth the lower rolling resistance or an ounce or two of rotating
weight.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot
I've had 4 people who seemed genuinely interested; 1. read the RBW sizing bits, learned it wouldn't fit and let me know right away 2. couldn't come up with the funds and politely backed out 3. partner was attacked by a pit bull (!!) and had to back out for $$ and obvious reasons all of the above are perfectly reasonable 4. agreed to pay set price, all set to end eBay auction, was away from computer and would pay in a few hours.THEN NOTHING...vanished into thin air!! I even spent an hour boxing the bike! Now I'll have to rebuild it to sell localUGH!!! You could write back and sayya know I actually think the bike is ugly and 650b sucks and I wouldn't care, but just write the stinking email!! I don't know how people act like thisw/ gmail, Google+, FB, etc it's pretty easy to find them. //end my rant On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:15:58 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: Yanking this thread violently in my own direction: RANT: about people who, when they see a FS post, immediately scream, OH! I wannit! I wannit!!! And then, after you patient answer questions and send photos, disappear into the neant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eeVKDhrVeZsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
You can say that every post on this group ever has been splitting hairs.
It's part of the fun :)
- Ryan
On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:03:07 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
Cyclery wrote:
MichaelH illustrates how little difference it makes. Three minutes is his
largest variation in his 18 mile ride on a variety of different tires with
different bikes, and that variation wasn't even reproducible in a second
trial. I spent seven years in grad school doing science, so I can see that
there are confounding factors in Michael's research that muddy the waters.
But his over all consistency from tire to tire and bike to bike suggests
(if not proves) that tire differences play much less role than, say, the
rider's day to day energy level and attitude, wind direction, and countless
other factors. Comparing one lightweight 700x28 tire to another is really
splitting hairs.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:16:05 PM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:
Another single data point.
Along with the post on where the Rambouillet fit in the Riv line up, I
rode an 18 mile loop from my home on my Ram with a pair of Continental GP4,
23 mm tires. (A gift). The course has 900 feet of climbing and includes
4-5 miles of dirt roads, with the rest equally divided among good pavement,
bad pavement, and atrocious pavement. After the ride I recorded my time
subjective impressions (painful). I also discovered a cut in the sidewall
of the rear tire, so I decide to replicate the ride with a variety of bikes
and ties. I rode it twice on my Ebisu with Jack Browns. The first ride
was 3 minutes slower but the second was identical, although a lot more
comfortable. I rode it once with my Trek T Serve (30mm actual). My time
was right between the faster and slower rides the comfort just a nudge
below the JB. Now the wind has shifted around from the south to the west (
it has been blowing at 20 -25 mph, making this very real world test) and
the dirt road has been graded, leaving it's surface full of rocks and loose
sand, so it's really hard going now. Hard to make comparisons. I'm in
Boston for the weekend and heavy rain forecasted for next week so this test
will be suspended for a while.
I'm not sure where this leaves me. I'd like to put the Grand Bois Green
on my ram but am wondering if the perceived advantage is worth the added
flats.
Michael
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:29:48 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
I'm in the same boat with Pari-Motos. I flat almost every ride with
Pari-Motos, and almost never with anything else. I've put them back on
with Foss tubes to try again. I like the ride of them, but the flat record
is pretty bad for me. For me it's been glass.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:55:06 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
Prompted by this thread I changed out the Rolly Poly/Ruffy Tuffy
front/rear combo on my road bike wheels to the pair of (what I have
considered to be special event) Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires. I rode them
for
25 mountainy miles yesterday and enjoyed their feel immensely. Today I got
a front goathead flat. This is the 3rd flat I have had on these tires in
about a dozen rides. This is by far the worst flat record of any tire I
have used, ever. I understand I cannot say this will be the flat record
for
me in the future or for you in your environment, but my faith in the tire
is shaken and it affects the enjoyment of my ride. I am putting more
effort
into scanning the road or trying to stay off the dirtier portions of the
road instead of enjoying the view or thinking my deep thoughts. {~;
.
When I got home I fixed the flat, pulled the GB Cerfs and replaced them
with the RP/RT combo. As I was changing them, I weighed them on my Park
digital spring scale. To the nearest ounce, the Cerf was 10oz, Rolly
Poly 11oz, Ruffy Tuffy 13oz, Jack Brown Green 33mm was 12-13oz. All of
these tires are made by Panasonic. Now I believe Jan Heine's rollout tire
comparisons are valid. But for me to flat every second or third ride is
just not worth the lower rolling resistance or an ounce or two of rotating
weight.
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[RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
agreed. Even Jan Heine admits that the perception of speed is far stronger
than any measurable speed difference in this hair-splitting area. He rides
quality fat tires because he knows empirically that they are no slower at
worst and slightly faster at best. He concedes that narrow tires feel
faster despite the measurable fact that they are not. I remember that
every time I see a post I rode those tires for a while, but they were
sluggish and slow. 19 times out of 20, that's a qualitative judgement,
not a quantitative one.
I've been tempted to ask Jan since going fast is fun (for the most part),
but since going slow is safe (for the most part), shouldn't he run skinny
tires, since they feel fast but are slow? I know, I'm a jerk, and a smart
aleck.
On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:03:07 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
Cyclery wrote:
MichaelH illustrates how little difference it makes. Three minutes is his
largest variation in his 18 mile ride on a variety of different tires with
different bikes, and that variation wasn't even reproducible in a second
trial. I spent seven years in grad school doing science, so I can see that
there are confounding factors in Michael's research that muddy the waters.
But his over all consistency from tire to tire and bike to bike suggests
(if not proves) that tire differences play much less role than, say, the
rider's day to day energy level and attitude, wind direction, and countless
other factors. Comparing one lightweight 700x28 tire to another is really
splitting hairs.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:16:05 PM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:
Another single data point.
Along with the post on where the Rambouillet fit in the Riv line up, I
rode an 18 mile loop from my home on my Ram with a pair of Continental GP4,
23 mm tires. (A gift). The course has 900 feet of climbing and includes
4-5 miles of dirt roads, with the rest equally divided among good pavement,
bad pavement, and atrocious pavement. After the ride I recorded my time
subjective impressions (painful). I also discovered a cut in the sidewall
of the rear tire, so I decide to replicate the ride with a variety of bikes
and ties. I rode it twice on my Ebisu with Jack Browns. The first ride
was 3 minutes slower but the second was identical, although a lot more
comfortable. I rode it once with my Trek T Serve (30mm actual). My time
was right between the faster and slower rides the comfort just a nudge
below the JB. Now the wind has shifted around from the south to the west (
it has been blowing at 20 -25 mph, making this very real world test) and
the dirt road has been graded, leaving it's surface full of rocks and loose
sand, so it's really hard going now. Hard to make comparisons. I'm in
Boston for the weekend and heavy rain forecasted for next week so this test
will be suspended for a while.
I'm not sure where this leaves me. I'd like to put the Grand Bois Green
on my ram but am wondering if the perceived advantage is worth the added
flats.
Michael
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:29:48 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
I'm in the same boat with Pari-Motos. I flat almost every ride with
Pari-Motos, and almost never with anything else. I've put them back on
with Foss tubes to try again. I like the ride of them, but the flat record
is pretty bad for me. For me it's been glass.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:55:06 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
Prompted by this thread I changed out the Rolly Poly/Ruffy Tuffy
front/rear combo on my road bike wheels to the pair of (what I have
considered to be special event) Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires. I rode them
for
25 mountainy miles yesterday and enjoyed their feel immensely. Today I got
a front goathead flat. This is the 3rd flat I have had on these tires in
about a dozen rides. This is by far the worst flat record of any tire I
have used, ever. I understand I cannot say this will be the flat record
for
me in the future or for you in your environment, but my faith in the tire
is shaken and it affects the enjoyment of my ride. I am putting more
effort
into scanning the road or trying to stay off the dirtier portions of the
road instead of enjoying the view or thinking my deep thoughts. {~;
.
When I got home I fixed the flat, pulled the GB Cerfs and replaced them
with the RP/RT combo. As I was changing them, I weighed them on my Park
digital spring scale. To the nearest ounce, the Cerf was 10oz, Rolly
Poly 11oz, Ruffy Tuffy 13oz, Jack Brown Green 33mm was 12-13oz. All of
these tires are made by Panasonic. Now I believe Jan Heine's rollout tire
comparisons are valid. But for me to flat every second or third ride is
just not worth the lower rolling resistance or an ounce or two of rotating
weight.
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[RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
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On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:
You can say that every post on this group ever has been splitting hairs.
It's part of the fun :)
- Ryan
On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:03:07 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
Cyclery wrote:
MichaelH illustrates how little difference it makes. Three minutes is his
largest variation in his 18 mile ride on a variety of different tires with
different bikes, and that variation wasn't even reproducible in a second
trial. I spent seven years in grad school doing science, so I can see that
there are confounding factors in Michael's research that muddy the waters.
But his over all consistency from tire to tire and bike to bike suggests
(if not proves) that tire differences play much less role than, say, the
rider's day to day energy level and attitude, wind direction, and countless
other factors. Comparing one lightweight 700x28 tire to another is really
splitting hairs.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:16:05 PM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:
Another single data point.
Along with the post on where the Rambouillet fit in the Riv line up, I
rode an 18 mile loop from my home on my Ram with a pair of Continental GP4,
23 mm tires. (A gift). The course has 900 feet of climbing and includes
4-5 miles of dirt roads, with the rest equally divided among good pavement,
bad pavement, and atrocious pavement. After the ride I recorded my time
subjective impressions (painful). I also discovered a cut in the sidewall
of the rear tire, so I decide to replicate the ride with a variety of bikes
and ties. I rode it twice on my Ebisu with Jack Browns. The first ride
was 3 minutes slower but the second was identical, although a lot more
comfortable. I rode it once with my Trek T Serve (30mm actual). My time
was right between the faster and slower rides the comfort just a nudge
below the JB. Now the wind has shifted around from the south to the west (
it has been blowing at 20 -25 mph, making this very real world test) and
the dirt road has been graded, leaving it's surface full of rocks and loose
sand, so it's really hard going now. Hard to make comparisons. I'm in
Boston for the weekend and heavy rain forecasted for next week so this test
will be suspended for a while.
I'm not sure where this leaves me. I'd like to put the Grand Bois Green
on my ram but am wondering if the perceived advantage is worth the added
flats.
Michael
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:29:48 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
I'm in the same boat with Pari-Motos. I flat almost every ride with
Pari-Motos, and almost never with anything else. I've put them back on
with Foss tubes to try again. I like the ride of them, but the flat
record
is pretty bad for me. For me it's been glass.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:55:06 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
Prompted by this thread I changed out the Rolly Poly/Ruffy Tuffy
front/rear combo on my road bike wheels to the pair of (what I have
considered to be special event) Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires. I rode them
for
25 mountainy miles yesterday and enjoyed their feel immensely. Today I
got
a front goathead flat. This is the 3rd flat I have had on these tires in
about a dozen rides. This is by far the worst flat record of any tire I
have used, ever. I understand I cannot say this will be the flat record
for
me in the future or for you in your environment, but my faith in the tire
is shaken and it affects the enjoyment of my ride. I am putting more
effort
into scanning the road or trying to stay off the dirtier portions of the
road instead of enjoying the view or thinking my deep thoughts. {~;
.
When I got home I fixed the flat, pulled the GB Cerfs and replaced
them with the RP/RT combo. As I was changing them, I weighed them on my
Park digital spring scale. To the nearest ounce, the Cerf was 10oz, Rolly
Poly 11oz, Ruffy Tuffy 13oz, Jack Brown Green 33mm was 12-13oz. All of
these tires are made by Panasonic. Now I believe Jan Heine's rollout tire
comparisons are valid. But for me to flat every second or third ride is
just not worth the lower rolling resistance or an ounce or two of
rotating
weight.
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[RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
Perhaps we should develop our own quantitative metric for the narrowness of
the hair being split? Inspired by the well known engineering unit the RCH.
SHPI -- splittable hairs per inch?
On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:
You can say that every post on this group ever has been splitting hairs.
It's part of the fun :)
- Ryan
On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:03:07 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
Cyclery wrote:
MichaelH illustrates how little difference it makes. Three minutes is his
largest variation in his 18 mile ride on a variety of different tires with
different bikes, and that variation wasn't even reproducible in a second
trial. I spent seven years in grad school doing science, so I can see that
there are confounding factors in Michael's research that muddy the waters.
But his over all consistency from tire to tire and bike to bike suggests
(if not proves) that tire differences play much less role than, say, the
rider's day to day energy level and attitude, wind direction, and countless
other factors. Comparing one lightweight 700x28 tire to another is really
splitting hairs.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:16:05 PM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:
Another single data point.
Along with the post on where the Rambouillet fit in the Riv line up, I
rode an 18 mile loop from my home on my Ram with a pair of Continental GP4,
23 mm tires. (A gift). The course has 900 feet of climbing and includes
4-5 miles of dirt roads, with the rest equally divided among good pavement,
bad pavement, and atrocious pavement. After the ride I recorded my time
subjective impressions (painful). I also discovered a cut in the sidewall
of the rear tire, so I decide to replicate the ride with a variety of bikes
and ties. I rode it twice on my Ebisu with Jack Browns. The first ride
was 3 minutes slower but the second was identical, although a lot more
comfortable. I rode it once with my Trek T Serve (30mm actual). My time
was right between the faster and slower rides the comfort just a nudge
below the JB. Now the wind has shifted around from the south to the west (
it has been blowing at 20 -25 mph, making this very real world test) and
the dirt road has been graded, leaving it's surface full of rocks and loose
sand, so it's really hard going now. Hard to make comparisons. I'm in
Boston for the weekend and heavy rain forecasted for next week so this test
will be suspended for a while.
I'm not sure where this leaves me. I'd like to put the Grand Bois Green
on my ram but am wondering if the perceived advantage is worth the added
flats.
Michael
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:29:48 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
I'm in the same boat with Pari-Motos. I flat almost every ride with
Pari-Motos, and almost never with anything else. I've put them back on
with Foss tubes to try again. I like the ride of them, but the flat
record
is pretty bad for me. For me it's been glass.
On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:55:06 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
Prompted by this thread I changed out the Rolly Poly/Ruffy Tuffy
front/rear combo on my road bike wheels to the pair of (what I have
considered to be special event) Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires. I rode them
for
25 mountainy miles yesterday and enjoyed their feel immensely. Today I
got
a front goathead flat. This is the 3rd flat I have had on these tires in
about a dozen rides. This is by far the worst flat record of any tire I
have used, ever. I understand I cannot say this will be the flat record
for
me in the future or for you in your environment, but my faith in the tire
is shaken and it affects the enjoyment of my ride. I am putting more
effort
into scanning the road or trying to stay off the dirtier portions of the
road instead of enjoying the view or thinking my deep thoughts. {~;
.
When I got home I fixed the flat, pulled the GB Cerfs and replaced
them with the RP/RT combo. As I was changing them, I weighed them on my
Park digital spring scale. To the nearest ounce, the Cerf was 10oz, Rolly
Poly 11oz, Ruffy Tuffy 13oz, Jack Brown Green 33mm was 12-13oz. All of
these tires are made by Panasonic. Now I believe Jan Heine's rollout tire
comparisons are valid. But for me to flat every second or third ride is
just not worth the lower rolling resistance or an ounce or two of
rotating
weight.
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[RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
Hi Peter, The Barley is the smallest Carradice bag. I use the Cadet, and think the Barley would be too small for me. I made some illustrations of the relative sizes of the smaller bags: http://www.biketinker.com/2011/bike-resources/relative-sizes-of-smaller-carradice-bags/ The next size up from the Cadet (last shown), is the Nelson Lowsaddle, which adds side pockets. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:36:31 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Thinking of getting a Carradice Barley saddlebag but wanted to ask if anyone here is running one currently and how they like it. Also do you need a bag support with this thing like the now discontinued Hupe, and will it work with a sprung Brooks like the B72? Thanks to any help anyone can offer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-rCqBziYVFsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 10:09 -0700, William wrote: I've been tempted to ask Jan since going fast is fun (for the most part), but since going slow is safe (for the most part), shouldn't he run skinny tires, since they feel fast but are slow? I know, I'm a jerk, and a smart aleck. Perhaps you missed these blog postings: -http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/crossing-tracks-safely/ -http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/the-downsides-of-wide-tires/ -http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/the-dangers-of-narrow-tires/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot
Believe it or not, there are a lot of flakes who are into bikes in the world. My fave was a guy who called several times to talk to me for a combined maybe 2+ hours about a Bleriot. I somehow let the word Quickbeam out of my mouth, and that got him to asking questions about that model. His questions carried the implication that he was going to buy a Bleriot from me. Anyway, after all that, maybe 2 weeks later, he called to thank me for my patience in answering his hundreds of neurotic questions, but informed me delightedly that he'd purchased it cheaper from one of the internet bike shops who was selling the Bleriot just over cost back in those days. Not to worry, he vowed to buy fenders from me. The conversation was ended, um, hastily. If it had happened in person rather than on the phone, I think I would have run him out the door with some forceful language and perhaps a kick in the pants. After that, I considered instituting a consulting fee, creditable toward whatever bike purchase may result, when I sensed the conversation was dragging on with no purchase in sight. But it seems bad form to ask for money just for talking to a customer...unless you're a lawyer or medical type. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:06:35 PM UTC-5, Kris wrote: I've had 4 people who seemed genuinely interested; 1. read the RBW sizing bits, learned it wouldn't fit and let me know right away 2. couldn't come up with the funds and politely backed out 3. partner was attacked by a pit bull (!!) and had to back out for $$ and obvious reasons all of the above are perfectly reasonable 4. agreed to pay set price, all set to end eBay auction, was away from computer and would pay in a few hours.THEN NOTHING...vanished into thin air!! I even spent an hour boxing the bike! Now I'll have to rebuild it to sell localUGH!!! You could write back and sayya know I actually think the bike is ugly and 650b sucks and I wouldn't care, but just write the stinking email!! I don't know how people act like thisw/ gmail, Google+, FB, etc it's pretty easy to find them. //end my rant On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:15:58 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: Yanking this thread violently in my own direction: RANT: about people who, when they see a FS post, immediately scream, OH! I wannit! I wannit!!! And then, after you patient answer questions and send photos, disappear into the neant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VVUCdg7QPsYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Needed: Silver shifter square washer or replacement shifter
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When you say pod, that tells me you are asking about Silver Shifters in the barcon configuration. Good point! I have spare left and right downtube square washers--the ones with limit stops for the shifters. should specify in your request. Although the downtube version is soft aluminum and can be easily filed down to resemble the barcon version. Now I'm confused. Mine are steel, square holes, little limit stop nubs, left and right side specific. There's nothing like them in my bar end shifters. Best, joe broach portland, or On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:08:04 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Am interested in trading for or buying, in order of preference: Silver shifter square washer; replacement shifter mech minus pod; replacement shifter mech with pod. Thanks. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K8qV3r5b4J0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. attachment: silverDTwashers.jpg
[RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
I like the term Just Noticeable Difference. Like a 2 degrees temperature difference. We could use NMD. Not Measurable Difference. Example:Wow! These Rolly Polys are 5 NMDs better than my Folding Pasela TGs! - Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Q66fG2oOk_oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Platrack In Back
Hmmm... Perhaps I should make all my questions rhetorical! :) Yep, those are among the concerns I had. I may give it a try this weekend. I like the fact that RBW and at least one other place I know (Ben's) sell some of the rack hardware separately. I think I have what I need. But it's nice to know I may be able to fill in a small part gap should one arise, as they sometimes do in experiments like this. Yours -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VtiWT1f_o5gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Needed: Silver shifter square washer or replacement shifter
OK, perhaps the Silver ones with the stops are steel. All mine are the original Suntours, where that part is aluminum and very easy to file down. That square part for Silver shifters in the barcon configuration has no stop. It's a circle on the outside and a square on the inside. That's a metaphor for how I feel about myself sometimes. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh13.htm The Riv photo of the pods has the circle/square rendition. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:23:27 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When you say pod, that tells me you are asking about Silver Shifters in the barcon configuration. Good point! I have spare left and right downtube square washers--the ones with limit stops for the shifters. should specify in your request. Although the downtube version is soft aluminum and can be easily filed down to resemble the barcon version. Now I'm confused. Mine are steel, square holes, little limit stop nubs, left and right side specific. There's nothing like them in my bar end shifters. Best, joe broach portland, or On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:08:04 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Am interested in trading for or buying, in order of preference: Silver shifter square washer; replacement shifter mech minus pod; replacement shifter mech with pod. Thanks. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K8qV3r5b4J0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o7-QocfwEkMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
On Apr 18, 12:45 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: The GBs feel absolutely divine. Like *nothing *else out there. except tubulars! seriously, with so many folks chasing the holy grail of speed/comfort (and spending lots on time/money in that pursuit) it's surprising that more folks don't ride tubulars, at least for that one event wheelset. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Questions on Carradice Barley
Awesome diagrams Phillip, those are helpful. Of course as is the often the case the deep info here from the group has made my choice all the more complicated, haha. But too many choices are always better than too few I say. Thanks all. Peter On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, The Barley is the smallest Carradice bag. I use the Cadet, and think the Barley would be too small for me. I made some illustrations of the relative sizes of the smaller bags: http://www.biketinker.com/2011/bike-resources/relative-sizes-of-smaller-carradice-bags/ The next size up from the Cadet (last shown), is the Nelson Lowsaddle, which adds side pockets. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:36:31 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Thinking of getting a Carradice Barley saddlebag but wanted to ask if anyone here is running one currently and how they like it. Also do you need a bag support with this thing like the now discontinued Hupe, and will it work with a sprung Brooks like the B72? Thanks to any help anyone can offer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-rCqBziYVFsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Needed: Silver shifter square washer or replacement shifter
Ah, gotcha. Patrick, if nothing else turns up, you're welcome to one of my DT washers. I'm confident you can caveman the nub off, even if it is steel. Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, perhaps the Silver ones with the stops are steel. All mine are the original Suntours, where that part is aluminum and very easy to file down. That square part for Silver shifters in the barcon configuration has no stop. It's a circle on the outside and a square on the inside. That's a metaphor for how I feel about myself sometimes. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh13.htm The Riv photo of the pods has the circle/square rendition. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:23:27 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When you say pod, that tells me you are asking about Silver Shifters in the barcon configuration. Good point! I have spare left and right downtube square washers--the ones with limit stops for the shifters. should specify in your request. Although the downtube version is soft aluminum and can be easily filed down to resemble the barcon version. Now I'm confused. Mine are steel, square holes, little limit stop nubs, left and right side specific. There's nothing like them in my bar end shifters. Best, joe broach portland, or On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:08:04 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Am interested in trading for or buying, in order of preference: Silver shifter square washer; replacement shifter mech minus pod; replacement shifter mech with pod. Thanks. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K8qV3r5b4J0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o7-QocfwEkMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot
I have a very close friend that has that exact and deplorable shopping style. In his mind, retail establishments that choose to employ experts are offering free expertise. He happily accepts that free expertise in the form of advice and answers to however many questions they are willing to answer. After he is done collecting all the free information he can, only then does he begin looking for the best price. If the best price is back at the place with the expert employees, fine. If it's a mailorder or webstore with no employees outside of shipping, so be it. When I learned that about him, I honestly wanted to punch him squarely in the face. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:18:35 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Believe it or not, there are a lot of flakes who are into bikes in the world. My fave was a guy who called several times to talk to me for a combined maybe 2+ hours about a Bleriot. I somehow let the word Quickbeam out of my mouth, and that got him to asking questions about that model. His questions carried the implication that he was going to buy a Bleriot from me. Anyway, after all that, maybe 2 weeks later, he called to thank me for my patience in answering his hundreds of neurotic questions, but informed me delightedly that he'd purchased it cheaper from one of the internet bike shops who was selling the Bleriot just over cost back in those days. Not to worry, he vowed to buy fenders from me. The conversation was ended, um, hastily. If it had happened in person rather than on the phone, I think I would have run him out the door with some forceful language and perhaps a kick in the pants. After that, I considered instituting a consulting fee, creditable toward whatever bike purchase may result, when I sensed the conversation was dragging on with no purchase in sight. But it seems bad form to ask for money just for talking to a customer...unless you're a lawyer or medical type. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:06:35 PM UTC-5, Kris wrote: I've had 4 people who seemed genuinely interested; 1. read the RBW sizing bits, learned it wouldn't fit and let me know right away 2. couldn't come up with the funds and politely backed out 3. partner was attacked by a pit bull (!!) and had to back out for $$ and obvious reasons all of the above are perfectly reasonable 4. agreed to pay set price, all set to end eBay auction, was away from computer and would pay in a few hours.THEN NOTHING...vanished into thin air!! I even spent an hour boxing the bike! Now I'll have to rebuild it to sell localUGH!!! You could write back and sayya know I actually think the bike is ugly and 650b sucks and I wouldn't care, but just write the stinking email!! I don't know how people act like thisw/ gmail, Google+, FB, etc it's pretty easy to find them. //end my rant On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:15:58 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: Yanking this thread violently in my own direction: RANT: about people who, when they see a FS post, immediately scream, OH! I wannit! I wannit!!! And then, after you patient answer questions and send photos, disappear into the neant. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/r1f3thqV8UcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
I have this 25 year hole in my riding history, stopped around 1987, just restarted last year. So i've never NOT shifted friction. Before my Hilsen, I was grinding gears through an old (and miserable) schwinn-approved Huret. That will get upgraded if i ever bring that bike back on line... I've noticed some chain-skipping in certain rear cogs on my Hilsen (i've been riding the center chain ring pretty exclusively), and it can always be resolved by a bit of trimming the shifter, usually one click (silver bar-ends) one way or another. I've rationalized it to myself that the relation between the position of the chain for the various ratchet clicks of the shifter are more suited for some of the cogs than others (i.e., there are three click positions that work for some gears, only two for others, so those are more likely to result in skippy or clunky shifting). Interestingly, skipping is almost always a downshifting event for me, upshifts are solid and delightful. My old Schwinn had similar, but more severe problems, i could get the chain between cogs on that one, resulting in no drive at all, just a free spinning crank. Fun when it happened approaching a big hill. Jim in Boulder On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:44:51 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:44:51 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/U3gk1Aaev7EJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is the best 28-30 mm 700c tire for fast riding on pavement?
Or perhaps I misused the term smart-aleck? On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:14:58 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 10:09 -0700, William wrote: I've been tempted to ask Jan since going fast is fun (for the most part), but since going slow is safe (for the most part), shouldn't he run skinny tires, since they feel fast but are slow? I know, I'm a jerk, and a smart aleck. Perhaps you missed these blog postings: -http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/crossing-tracks-safely/ -http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/the-downsides-of-wide-tires/ -http://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/the-dangers-of-narrow-tires/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pXcOy-U9J9MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Needed: Silver shifter square washer or replacement shifter
Patrick is notoriously famous for his irresponsible and deplorable removal of steel with power tools. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:44:18 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: Ah, gotcha. Patrick, if nothing else turns up, you're welcome to one of my DT washers. I'm confident you can caveman the nub off, even if it is steel. Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, perhaps the Silver ones with the stops are steel. All mine are the original Suntours, where that part is aluminum and very easy to file down. That square part for Silver shifters in the barcon configuration has no stop. It's a circle on the outside and a square on the inside. That's a metaphor for how I feel about myself sometimes. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh13.htm The Riv photo of the pods has the circle/square rendition. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:23:27 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When you say pod, that tells me you are asking about Silver Shifters in the barcon configuration. Good point! I have spare left and right downtube square washers--the ones with limit stops for the shifters. should specify in your request. Although the downtube version is soft aluminum and can be easily filed down to resemble the barcon version. Now I'm confused. Mine are steel, square holes, little limit stop nubs, left and right side specific. There's nothing like them in my bar end shifters. Best, joe broach portland, or On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:08:04 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Am interested in trading for or buying, in order of preference: Silver shifter square washer; replacement shifter mech minus pod; replacement shifter mech with pod. Thanks. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K8qV3r5b4J0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o7-QocfwEkMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pWb20OMA4K8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting and Riding Tips?
Right on happycamper! I couldn't agree more. I run both a double and triples in 9 speed mode and am happy with both, but anyone who says a triple is just as easy to use as a double is probably in denial. My favorite setup is on my Ram, 44/30 rings on a White Ind Crank mated to an 11/28 9 spd cassette. This gives me 108 gi at the high end, and 30 at the low, a very simple shifting pattern, and reasonably closely spaced gears. The only downside to this set up is the initial cost of the White Crank. I know some will balk at the black rings but the are highly polished so I got over it in a hurry. As for those limit screws yup, even after 35 years of riding I always scratch my head and try to remember which is the inside and which the outside. On some deraillers you can't see the mechanism. My only place of divergence is on integration. I run Campy FD, the new Ultegra 6700 RD, Conex Chain and Shimano HG cassettes, and ramped rings. With Silver shifters the performance is way better than the Ultegra SIS I have used. The sun is shining; I'm gonna hit the road. Michael On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:46:01 PM UTC-4, HappyCamper wrote: I'm a friction noob too but some things that helped me: - Move to a compact double. Seriously. I have one less gear I didn't need anyway and I fiddle with my shifters 90% less. Anyone who says a triple in front is just as easy as a double hash been riding bikes for a very long time, or loves their set up so much they refuse to realize the added complexity. - Know that even with brifters triples are annoying - Friction shifting can be like driving a manual. You learn to shift at the right speed, at the right time. Faster is not best. - Shift less. - Good shifters are allot better than crappy ones. I have Shimanos which are OK. I want Silvers which I tried the other day and liked allot better. Old school Suntour Ratchets were good too. - A unified drivetrain helps. Some people can cobble together all softs of parts and friction shift just fine. In fact it's the reason some people prefer friction. I however found my all 8-speed set up to be nearly flawless. I had lots of mis shifting with a mixed up drivetrain. - Rapid rise derailler. In hilly Seattle this really helps me shift uphills. - Like everything: practice. - If you can over/under shift your chain off gears and you corrected your adjustment screws then either* something is broken* or not set up right. The older... *ahem* wiser folks can't remember how tricky adjustment screws can be when first learning how to set this stuff up. It takes practice or someone really showing you how to do it. I hope any of this helps. It may be stuff that only worked for me but now I could never go back to indexed shifting. - Ryan On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:44:51 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote: I noticed a discussion cropping up in the New Chain Skipping thread that I thought it would be worthwhile to dedicate a thread to this, as I have been thinking about it a bit - I am a relatively new bike rider, and change gears as it makes sense to me - when i feel like i need more speed, i shift, when i feel like i am not going to be able to get up the hill, i shift. But I never really learned the right way to do this. I have learned a little about friction shifting just from poking around (lightening up on the cranks when I am about to shift, as an example) but haven't seen a dedicated thread to this, nor have I found a good resource. I know for many of you this is intuitive basic stuff, but I never learned how to ride a bike from anyone that actually knew what they are doing. I generally stay in the middle ring on my front chainring (I have a triple) and use all of the back gears until I need more, and then I shift to either the big or small chainring. I am cognizant of cross gearing, but am probably guilty of doing it once in a while. I have consistently had problems with chains slipping, throwing chains (both off the big and granny rings) across multiple bikes, which leads me to believe I am part of the problem. So how do you ride to ensure that you are treating the bike the way it should be treated? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7ubP605HU7IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Needed: Silver shifter square washer or replacement shifter
Thanks for all the help and offers. After posting I realized that it is not the square washer that is missing but the little plastic friction washer -- sorry for the confusion. I did however discover that Riv offers these for sale at $1/pr (part # SH12) and I ordered on the phone after a nice conversation with John. Patrick sorry to miss a Dremeling opportunity Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
