[RBW] Re: RivReviews
That guy is a lunatic. If my frame got delayed or lost in the shuffle, I know damn well I would get prompt responses from Grant via email, and would end up with the frame I ordered. I gaurantee you this fellow has been yelling and threatening lawsuits over what was probably a simple mistake. Idiot. On Friday, February 8, 2013 12:20:45 PM UTC-8, RJM wrote: Ewww, there is a nasty one on the A. Homer Hilsen page. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hilsen.htm Hope that gets straightened out. On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:35:57 PM UTC-6, William wrote: Rivendell just started offering a 9-speed IRD cassette in 12-34. Yet there is already a one-star review from somebody who says his 11-34 offers a better cog progression. Come on now. You didn't buy the product and you didn't use the product, but you'll write a one-star review purely because you don't like it? Even though Riv sells the 11-34 9-speed cassette that you DO like? Should I write a negative review of a 69cm A Homer Hilsen because it doesn't fit me? Dubbleyou Tea Eff! Harrumpf! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Shellac Question
I have a can of amber shellac that is much older than 4-5 months. The last couple of times used, it seemed as if it had thickened. Since I had remembered someone say something about thinning it with alcohol, I mixed a small amount of shellac and alcohol in a separate container. The consistency was restored to what I remembered, and it applied beautifully. Since that was only a couple of weeks ago, I have no knowledge of durability. So far, so good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Shellac Question
The thickening is due to the evaporation of the solvent, denatured alcohol usually being used for shellac. Adding a bit to thin it to the desired consistency is fine, it should work every bit as well as when the can was new. On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:11 AM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a can of amber shellac that is much older than 4-5 months. The last couple of times used, it seemed as if it had thickened. Since I had remembered someone say something about thinning it with alcohol, I mixed a small amount of shellac and alcohol in a separate container. The consistency was restored to what I remembered, and it applied beautifully. Since that was only a couple of weeks ago, I have no knowledge of durability. So far, so good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: More Riv Posters?!?!?
It may be okay to use something as practice, but as a professional, I'm not sure it is okay to use names and representations if the project was killed unless that fact is mentioned with the display. He definitely isn't entitled to sell them unless that was part of the original agreement. May not be worth the legal hassle, but it does seem to be inferring that Rivendell actually okayed these and somehow used them. I probably didn't like them for the same reason as Grant, they're okay looking, but that's a moot point if they're not first representational of the company they're meant to represent. Not sure there's anything about Riv that is that bold, iconic and clean. I'm not a big fan of the obvious computer graphics meant to represent handmade products made in such small quantities. It would make much more sense on a base level to utilize hand rendering techniques and showcase that the same way the bikes, although clean and beautiful still show that someone somewhere made the thing. Eric (designer at heart with a degree laying around somewhere to prove it) Indpls -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Meet new people.
Looks like another excellent day on the bike. Thanks for posting the pictures. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: More Riv Posters?!?!?
I like them, not as much as my existing riv poster, but if they were offered i would have probably picked one up. In fairness, his portfolio does say that it is a poster exploration done for Rivendell. Which seems to be an accurate statement. He also doesn't appear to be selling them. On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:05:38 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote: Ran across this on the 'tubes. Anyone seen these in person? Do they exist? Like'em a lot. http://www.thefoxisblack.com/2012/12/12/rivendell-bicycle-works-posters-by-daniel-blackman/ Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Shellac Question
shellac/varnish/mastic - it oxidizes in the jar, which is the curing process. If you want to keep it fresh (very important if you have expensive mastic varnish, which is about $15/oz,. or even quality spar varnish) use this product - Bloxygen - spray it under the bottle cap or can lid before you close it. https://www.google.com/search?q=bloxygenrlz=1C1PRFA_enUS414US414aq=foq=bloxygenaqs=chrome.0.57j0l3.2750sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8#q=bloxygenhl=entbo=urlz=1C1PRFA_enUS414US414source=univtbm=shopsa=Xei=QQcZUeKEDdPdqQHbrIHQBgved=0CGgQsxgbav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.bvm=bv.42080656,d.aWMfp=e1c7ac95cf77e9dcbiw=1280bih=625 On Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:29:35 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: Does it really go bad after a while? I am anxiously anticipating the arrival of the Bombadil in a few days but realized my shellac is about 4-5 months old. I made it myself out of button lac, if that makes a difference. I googled around the web and its all woodworking sites who say its past it but this isnt my chiffarobe, its some twine. Hoping someone with more experience will just chime in and let me know it will still go off and dry. Otherwise I have to make and strain a new batch which takes a few days. Thanks to anyone who has some learnin here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: More Riv Posters?!?!?
I agree--lame and not at all in keeping with the Rivendell aesthetic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Shellac Question
chiffarobe is Arcadian for rando bag On Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:02:19 PM UTC-6, rob markwardt wrote: Today I learnin the word chiffarobe. Sorry, no idea about your shellac. On Feb 10, 7:29 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Does it really go bad after a while? I am anxiously anticipating the arrival of the Bombadil in a few days but realized my shellac is about 4-5 months old. I made it myself out of button lac, if that makes a difference. I googled around the web and its all woodworking sites who say its past it but this isnt my chiffarobe, its some twine. Hoping someone with more experience will just chime in and let me know it will still go off and dry. Otherwise I have to make and strain a new batch which takes a few days. Thanks to anyone who has some learnin here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RivReviews
The harsh reviewer is all fixed up--with a step by step story of exactly what caused every delay. Briefly, it was this: The fork that came with his bike was functionally perfect but there was a bug about it that he never would have noticed, but which we did, and when you're put in that position you can either send it out and all's well, except now the bug is in your head, or you intervene. We intervened, causing a delay of about 6 wks due to, I don't know---it just took that long. Maybe because the bug was entirely subjective and we were coming off as nitpicky, not sure.(OK: lower vent hole drilled in the wrong place, too off to the side for full love). Second fork, man, a different bug but another bug (bend radius not to current stds, and that's huge). When all this is going on, it puts us in the position of either full disclosure, which we should've done, or awkward silence, which we did. Full disclosure makes us look like out of the loop complainers, out of control of our forks, and makes Wford look bad, and so there's a lot to be said for not doing it that way, and so...we didn't. Customer was not actively asking or angry, so this was a noneventful course to take. But, in retrospect he was stewing, and I totally understand that, We wrote and apologized sincerely, not just diplomatically, and gave him more detail than I've just given now, and a few options, to put the ball in his court. The options included penalties for us and opportunities for him, and he graciously opted to make up his own course of action (that was one of the options), and just wait---no penalty against us. He mentioned that he just wanted to be in the loop, and we learned that keeping the customer in the loop no matter what is the way to go. It seems obvious, and stated like that it is, but despite strength of character and good intentions and whatever other hard to quantify attributes we like to think we're imbued with, sometimes we get a strong C-minus on things. So...dat's dat! On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:35:57 PM UTC-8, William wrote: Rivendell just started offering a 9-speed IRD cassette in 12-34. Yet there is already a one-star review from somebody who says his 11-34 offers a better cog progression. Come on now. You didn't buy the product and you didn't use the product, but you'll write a one-star review purely because you don't like it? Even though Riv sells the 11-34 9-speed cassette that you DO like? Should I write a negative review of a 69cm A Homer Hilsen because it doesn't fit me? Dubbleyou Tea Eff! Harrumpf! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RivReviews
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The dude may well be semi-justified. After nearly 10 years as a happy Riv customer, I'd be lying if I said that delays on frame orders are uncommon. Most of us realize that it happens and give Riv the benefit of the doubt. I'd also be lying if I said that Riv was batting 1.000 with returned calls and emails. In fact, if I really want to communicate with Riv, I've learned to email, then call, and, if needed, follow-up with another email or call. As a person who deals with fairly high call/email volume, I get it, and it's ok with me. So the guy's frame is later than estimated by perhaps months. He calls or emails once or twice or thrice and, for whatever reason, the ball gets dropped, and his concerns are never addressed to his satisfaction. Obviously there are at least two sides to every story, but I don't necessarily think that this review tells a tale that is too far out of ordinary. My Bombadil frame took awhile. I originally ordered it via layaway, but just before I called to make my final pay-off, the diaga-version came out. So, when I called to pay it off, I asked if I could switch from a 2TT to the diaga-version. They said no problem, but, Keven wasn't in at the moment, and they wanted to double-check w/ him before they guaranteed anything. Later that day, Keven called me, wanting to make it clear: the new frames had *no* ETA... given their complexity (awaiting new lugs, that then went to W'ford for the main build, then shipped to Mark N for the stays to be added), he was *exceptionally* clear about it not being a couple of months before it arrived. I was fine w/ that. He gave me a ballpark timeframe, with no guarantees, and, yeah, it was a couple of months after that before it actually arrived. But, that was okay, they were upfront about it. They emailed me pics of the frame as soon as it got back from the painters, before they shipped it to me. It was really good communication, but, good things take time. When I first paid off the frame, I momentarily talked to Rich about a wheelset for it, and at that time, I said I wanted 650b Dyads in 36h. He said, sure, no problem, will have it ready for you when the frame is. But, it was about a year later before I actually got the frame. When we were in the run-up to the frame shipping to me, I got back w/ Rich in regards to the wheelset. Have to admit, at that point, he'd made how many different wheelsets? So, could I honestly expect him to remember that I had chatted for a minute about 'em a year earlier? No, so, we chatted again to spec 'em out, and, discovered that he didn't have 36h Dyads in 650b; there was a batch of 32h that were mislabeled. Went w/ Synergy, all was well; but, no, it wasn't what I had been envisioning for the previous year. If I was OCD, though, I could see that someone might have been Oh my gosh, it's been 3 weeks, two days, and 27 minutes, why hasn't UPS picked it up from RBW yet?!?!. Why do I have to have a Synergy instead of a Dyad?! But, it's a good bike, a good wheelset. I guess, RBW is catering to a, a group of folks that care about bike nuances, who, therefore, may be a bit OCD about things if we didn't care so much, we all might just walk in to the LBS and grab whatever Trek or C'dale is on the showroom floor, and ride it as-is. But, we care about which frame (a Sam versus a Hilsen), the color (blue or rootbeer), the bars (m'tache or Albas or Noodles or what), twine or not, cork, shellac, 7sp vs 8 sp (9sp too, but not 10sp), we're 'selective'.Because of that, we almost feel like, dealing w/ RBW, it should arrive via red-carpet and horns. So, if you have someone who has THAT expectation, and it didn't hit those milestones as quickly, well, they go off. I could see a younger me becoming hot-headed over 'perceived slights'. But, the end result, I got a great bike, I knew it'd take awhile, there was no need to get upset. I just needed to be patient. If someone wasn't ever taught to be patient, is used to instant gratification, well Anywho... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: RivReviews
So I guess Rivendell does exist after all :) On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The dude may well be semi-justified. After nearly 10 years as a happy Riv customer, I'd be lying if I said that delays on frame orders are uncommon. Most of us realize that it happens and give Riv the benefit of the doubt. I'd also be lying if I said that Riv was batting 1.000 with returned calls and emails. In fact, if I really want to communicate with Riv, I've learned to email, then call, and, if needed, follow-up with another email or call. As a person who deals with fairly high call/email volume, I get it, and it's ok with me. So the guy's frame is later than estimated by perhaps months. He calls or emails once or twice or thrice and, for whatever reason, the ball gets dropped, and his concerns are never addressed to his satisfaction. Obviously there are at least two sides to every story, but I don't necessarily think that this review tells a tale that is too far out of ordinary. My Bombadil frame took awhile. I originally ordered it via layaway, but just before I called to make my final pay-off, the diaga-version came out. So, when I called to pay it off, I asked if I could switch from a 2TT to the diaga-version. They said no problem, but, Keven wasn't in at the moment, and they wanted to double-check w/ him before they guaranteed anything. Later that day, Keven called me, wanting to make it clear: the new frames had *no* ETA... given their complexity (awaiting new lugs, that then went to W'ford for the main build, then shipped to Mark N for the stays to be added), he was *exceptionally* clear about it not being a couple of months before it arrived. I was fine w/ that. He gave me a ballpark timeframe, with no guarantees, and, yeah, it was a couple of months after that before it actually arrived. But, that was okay, they were upfront about it. They emailed me pics of the frame as soon as it got back from the painters, before they shipped it to me. It was really good communication, but, good things take time. When I first paid off the frame, I momentarily talked to Rich about a wheelset for it, and at that time, I said I wanted 650b Dyads in 36h. He said, sure, no problem, will have it ready for you when the frame is. But, it was about a year later before I actually got the frame. When we were in the run-up to the frame shipping to me, I got back w/ Rich in regards to the wheelset. Have to admit, at that point, he'd made how many different wheelsets? So, could I honestly expect him to remember that I had chatted for a minute about 'em a year earlier? No, so, we chatted again to spec 'em out, and, discovered that he didn't have 36h Dyads in 650b; there was a batch of 32h that were mislabeled. Went w/ Synergy, all was well; but, no, it wasn't what I had been envisioning for the previous year. If I was OCD, though, I could see that someone might have been Oh my gosh, it's been 3 weeks, two days, and 27 minutes, why hasn't UPS picked it up from RBW yet?!?!. Why do I have to have a Synergy instead of a Dyad?!But, it's a good bike, a good wheelset. I guess, RBW is catering to a, a group of folks that care about bike nuances, who, therefore, may be a bit OCD about things if we didn't care so much, we all might just walk in to the LBS and grab whatever Trek or C'dale is on the showroom floor, and ride it as-is. But, we care about which frame (a Sam versus a Hilsen), the color (blue or rootbeer), the bars (m'tache or Albas or Noodles or what), twine or not, cork, shellac, 7sp vs 8 sp (9sp too, but not 10sp), we're 'selective'.Because of that, we almost feel like, dealing w/ RBW, it should arrive via red-carpet and horns. So, if you have someone who has THAT expectation, and it didn't hit those milestones as quickly, well, they go off. I could see a younger me becoming hot-headed over 'perceived slights'. But, the end result, I got a great bike, I knew it'd take awhile, there was no need to get upset. I just needed to be patient. If someone wasn't ever taught to be patient, is used to instant gratification, well Anywho... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [RBW] Re: RivReviews
Howdy, First, not all customers are worth having. Next, who buys a Rivendell without having even enough info to know that Rivendell actually exists? Sounds more like a troll than anything else. Give me my money back or I'll sue? Who would he sue if Rivendell doesn't actually exist? If they exist enough to be sued then they exist. Ergo, he knows they exist and is being weenie-ish. I probably didn't say that as eloquently as I might have, but I think the point is clear enough. Unfortunately cycling is not immune to the weenies of the world. Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Riding in the blizzard!!!
I took Homer out for a couple of nice, pleasant rides over the weekend here in Stratford, Connecticut, right on Long Island Sound. Last year I bought studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta, 700c x 35mm tires from Peter White. I only got to ride them twice last year so I was excited for some more snow. It's been pretty dry here but not anymore! I got out for my first ride on Friday afternoon, at the beginning of the storm. About 5 of snow had fallen, it was still coming down and the wind was blowing about 35mph. The tires do great unless the snow gets really deep. I averaged around 5.5mph for my hour and fifteen minute ride, and it was a blast. People tend to look at you a little bit funny, though. There were no cars to speak of, and I stayed off any main roads. Saturday, after around 3ft of snow fell overnight, there would be no riding, driving or walking anywhere, just shoveling. Sunday had some plowed roads and I was able to get my truck shoveled out of where it had been plowed in and I got to take another ride on a beautiful sunny afternoon. Conditions varied from wet to slushy, to snow packed and sometimes rutted. The ruts were the only really challenging part. Sunday's ride was 8mph for 1 1/2 hours. Many of the roads were still not plowed so the ones that were had a lot of people walking on them. And there were lots of comments to the crazy guy on the bike! It was an absolutely fantastic time. Pictures... http://www.flickr.com/photos/93129181@N06/8465635578/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/93129181@N06/8464544269/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/93129181@N06/8465665974/in/photostream/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Big Reflecto Triangle
Man I love those triangles. I was coming up to a full bike rack and from behind my bike was so visibIe compared to the other bikes. I loop the strap through the saddle tabs, thinking I might use the straps one day, but never have. I could probably cut them off and zip tie the triangle on. My technique (see if I can explain it) is to push a loop through the tabs (the buckles won't fit), then thread the buckle through the loop that is sticking through the tab. I then wrap the long bit of strap leftover around the rails and buckle them. It leaves a bit of a space for a plastic bag to stuff in there under the saddle for when I have to park in the rain. I love them so much that I gave four of them to my brother and his family to use in Shanghai, have them on my two main bikes and probably will get more. They are too big for my kids' bikes so I called the company and was saddened to hear that the small triangles have been discontinued due to lack of interest. I would love to put one on each side of my big Wald basket on the front of my bike. Edwin, Nashville -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Water Gap Adventure Loop - April 13-14
*Lodging near the Water Gap (for out of state travelers, Friday night):* Depending which direction you're coming from and if you want to stay near the start, there should be plenty of places within a 30 minute drive of the Gap. I would suggest using Google Maps to find lodging that suits your travel schedule. I'm considering driving down from CT. From your description, the first day's ride should approximate this Google map (http://goo.gl/maps/5IFov) Knowlton seems quite a ways from the Water Gap. To better locate appropriate lodging, where do you expect to gather / start pedaling? Thanks, Ray =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Ray Foss Lisbon, CT r...@comcast.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Opinions Wanted on Alternative Mark's Rack Installation
Before I finalize this installation by cutting the struts to proper length, I'd like your opinion. I ask, because a long Nitto strut attached to the front hub area seems like such an obvious improvement in overall strength, yet I do not believe I've ever seen it or read about it before. Am I missing something, or is this a good idea? http://www.flickr.com/photos/93060983@N03/ Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] 58 Atlantis +EXTRAS
Custom black atlantis with top-line components Some may recognize this as Jim Thill's old bike - he has no responsibility for this sale. This bike has all the great components he put on it. Velocity Aerohead rims with a Phil Wood cassette rear hub (36h with asym rim) and Phil Wood front hub (32h) Paul Neo-Retro Cantilever brakes Vintage XT motorcycle brake levers Ultegra 9sp cassette 960 series XTR rear derailleur (no front derailleur) 9sp Dura Ace shifter Sugino XD crank with 38t ring and Sugino 24t or 26t ring and Salsa chainguard Technomic stem (tall, with 10-11cm extension) CrMo Albatross bar Ritchey cable couplers Cascadia fenders SRAM chain Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x39 tires with good tread Minoura kickstand Brooks black sprung saddle or a Brooks tan aged saddle (or a Selle Anatomica Cydesdale waterproof saddle for $75 extra) Bike is in excellent condition. Located in Washington DC area. Willing to ship. $2200. Please email me at wardbrent@hotmail(dot)com [IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/92372679@N03/8394994143/[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/92372679@N03/8396077626/[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/92372679@N03/8396077416/[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/92372679@N03/8394993559/[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/92372679@N03/8396077092/[/IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/92372679@N03 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Big Reflecto Triangle
I wrap the belt/webbing around the seatpost and saddlesack or saddle wedge. I didn't cut it down, because I occasionally belt it around a backpack or other bag. A few extra turns around the seatpost seems fine. Good around a basket, and you can move it from bike to bike if you only have one triangle. On Saturday, February 9, 2013 9:29:58 PM UTC-5, Pondero wrote: I bought one at the beginning of winter for extra conspicuousness during the longer nights. I like it, and have been wearing it, using the pre-attached belt. But I've seen several have attached one to bags, racks, and baskets. What are your methods? Safety pins, zip ties, shoe lace? Are you guys removing the attached belt, or shortening it? How about some tips on what works well? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Big Reflecto Triangle
I don't like taking business away from Rivendell, but I know that Aardvark makes small triangles with velcro strips, which I've seen at some LBS. I believe the product is MUSA, Utah to be specific. On Saturday, February 9, 2013 10:35:28 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: Although I like the Velcro strap version I got from Riv slightly better, my LBS (Outfitter in Los Altos, CA) also carries a similar safety reflecto triangle with the two Velcro straps. I don't know if it's MUSA but it does appear to be something that they just ordered off their normal catalog. $10 or thereabouts. On Saturday, February 9, 2013 6:48:36 PM UTC-8, William wrote: The thing that bums me out is that they apparently don't make the little one, which had two little velcros, that I dangled from two seat rails. I'd buy four more of those if I could get them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Shellac Question
Hey Peter As long as it has been properly sealed and out of the sunlight I think you are fine. I frequently use shellac that I mix myself that is past 4 or 5 months. I keep it in an amber bottle for longer storage times. After a year or so I toss it out, but for bar tape all you have to care about is that it is brushable and that it will dry. try it on a scrap piece and you will know soon enough. Thin layers of shellac should dry pretty quickly. You can't really go wrong here. I often use bleached shellac which has no wax in it. I think button lac has wax in it and maybe the shelf life is even slightly longer Not sure.Anyway I am betting you are good to go. On Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:29:35 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: Does it really go bad after a while? I am anxiously anticipating the arrival of the Bombadil in a few days but realized my shellac is about 4-5 months old. I made it myself out of button lac, if that makes a difference. I googled around the web and its all woodworking sites who say its past it but this isnt my chiffarobe, its some twine. Hoping someone with more experience will just chime in and let me know it will still go off and dry. Otherwise I have to make and strain a new batch which takes a few days. Thanks to anyone who has some learnin here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: More Riv Posters?!?!?
Info-graphical poster of the bikes is a great idea. I hope you can find someone with the right aesthetic. On Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:49:48 PM UTC-5, grant wrote: A bit of a surprise. Dan Blackman is a talented artist, and I found out about him when I toured the Pointer Brand factory in Bristol, VA--when i was on my book tour. I liked the work he did for pointer, contacted him and talked about posters. He and Dave were talking, and I/Dave too THOUGHT we were clear about what we wanted---INFO-graphical posters that told the story of the bike via symbols, graphs, pie charts. We were to pay him about $4,500---I think that was the figure--for six or seven posters, with a KILL FEE of $1,000. A kill fee is what the artist gets if the project goes south for any reason. In our case, the posters were taking a direction we didn't expect and that didn't seem to be info-graphical. So we nipped it in the bud, so we thought, paid the kill fee, and that should have been it. It it is suprising to find that the posters continued. I don't know what to think about it, really. It never occured to us that it would go this way. I like to control any-and-all impressions of Rivendell, because there's a certain style that I want associated with us and the bikes and all. But I don't think we can stop anybody from doing that, legally---and if we could, I wouldn't bother or go to the expense. It would be so unpleasant, almost mean, and we have our hands full already. Plus it's not like Dan Blackman is the enemy, either. I wish he hadn't, but he did, and I hope he makes a little money off them and then they sort of fade away. On Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:05:38 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote: Ran across this on the 'tubes. Anyone seen these in person? Do they exist? Like'em a lot. http://www.thefoxisblack.com/2012/12/12/rivendell-bicycle-works-posters-by-daniel-blackman/ Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Meet new people.
Besides being my roommate, Brian is part of a select category that I like to call good people. Bummed that I missed out on the ride but looks like you guys had fun! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Yves Gomez gets his groove back
After a cold Colorado January contemplating the many directions I could take my Yves I embraced Just Ride and purchased a new set of Bosco bars and moved my shifters to the stem. The results have been subtle and transformative. The slight rise in position has given me a whole new comfort level that wasn't there with the albas and bar ends as well as an aggressive spot down by the stem. Last week's warm spell yielded four lunchtime rides in addition to my short commute that confirmed Cosmopolitan Yves has got his groove back. Pictures here for those interested. http://www.flickr.com/photos/flipvelo/8458945025/in/photostream/ Now if anyone has a green B17 special i'll be done fooling around and ready for a Spring S24O. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Opinions Wanted on Alternative Mark's Rack Installation
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM, hangtownmatt hangtownm...@yahoo.com wrote: yet I do not believe I've ever seen it or read about it before. Am I missing something, or is this a good idea? I've never used more than one set of struts for a Mark's rack, but if you look at the staff bikes, you'll see several with a hub area strut: http://www.rivbike.com/New-Stuff-s/489.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Opinions Wanted on Alternative Mark's Rack Installation
All the Staff Bikes that have a Mark's Rack installed use two pairs of struts, both running to the mid fork braze on. I started using that set-up on my brevet bike as the diving board piece began to sag on my Mark's Rack. It's the stronger setup if you are running some load on the Marks Rack on bumpy roads. On Monday, February 11, 2013 9:22:10 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:53 PM, hangtownmatt hangto...@yahoo.comjavascript: wrote: yet I do not believe I've ever seen it or read about it before. Am I missing something, or is this a good idea? I've never used more than one set of struts for a Mark's rack, but if you look at the staff bikes, you'll see several with a hub area strut: http://www.rivbike.com/New-Stuff-s/489.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Opinions Wanted on Alternative Mark's Rack Installation
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:37 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: All the Staff Bikes that have a Mark's Rack installed use two pairs of struts, both running to the mid fork braze on. No, if you look at Vince's, Grant's, and Mark's QB, you'll see a hub area strut. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: More Riv Posters?!?!?
I like the idea of them but agree that that they don't seem to fit with Rivendell. The posters where you can read the bike name are much better than the ones where you can barely read the model. And the text on the bottom is lame both in content and design- IMHO. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] Opinions Wanted on Alternative Mark's Rack Installation
Not certain, but I think that GP's Atlantis and Mark's QB have hub area struts because they have Platracks installed on the Mark's racks; Vince's rack looks like a Top Rack installed on the front, maybe with a Mark's rack-style diving board too. On a quick look, I don't see any bare Mark's Racks with hub struts. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Mather Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:46 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Opinions Wanted on Alternative Mark's Rack Installation On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:37 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: All the Staff Bikes that have a Mark's Rack installed use two pairs of struts, both running to the mid fork braze on. No, if you look at Vince's, Grant's, and Mark's QB, you'll see a hub area strut. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Opinions Wanted on Alternative Mark's Rack Installation
Oops! My bad. They've added a lot of Staff Bikes. My apologies. I had been referring to Miesha, Brian and Keven. All three of those have a Mark's Rack and have a second set of struts going to the mid-fork braze on. Since then I see two more Marks rack setups without any secondary struts: Grant's Homer and Elizabeth's Hillborne. There still are no Mark's Racks running a second set of struts to the hub area, though. Vince isn't running a Mark's rack. That Looks like an R14 to me (much larger platform), running struts to the hub area. Grant's Atlantis doesn't run a Mark's Rack either. That's a Mini Front, with a Platrack, which runs struts to the hub area Grant's Alba-Homer is running a Mark's Rack with no secondary struts at all Mark's Quickbeam is not running a Mark's Rack. It's running a Nitto Mini Front with a Platrack. The Platrack runs struts to the hub area Struts to the hub area is a common and smart way to add support to a rack. The problem with longer struts is they are way easier to bang on something and bend, and once bent they buckle so easily that they no longer add a ton of support. Some list members have taken their long Platrack Struts and cut them way down and connected them to the midfork braze-on as well, which looks really slick. Once the Hub Area Rack comes out there will be several new combination shown off, I'm sure. I'm heading to the hardware store now to look for 7mm aluminum rod. Keep bolting those racks together in creative ways. On Monday, February 11, 2013 9:45:49 AM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:37 AM, William tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: All the Staff Bikes that have a Mark's Rack installed use two pairs of struts, both running to the mid fork braze on. No, if you look at Vince's, Grant's, and Mark's QB, you'll see a hub area strut. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
Yes, Manny. My dreams are telling me to go camping when I visit Riv in a couple weeks. Jenny RCW-West has also chimed in that she wants to go. So it's an Official Riv Chica Warrior Jamboree! Can I suggest a route that is not too long—maybe 20-30 miles each way? And not too technical as in a traverse along 40 degree inclines over boulders and tree stumps. And accessible from Walnut Creek as I would need to beg a bike from Riv. I am *all in* on this and willing to pack a light camping kit in a duffle for the plane, although would also welcome sharing a bunk in a 2-3 person tent if this is a possibility. If it's totally rainy, bets are off; however, cooler temps are not an obstacle for me as I ride in snow. Who's in on this caper? You don't have to be a RCW—yet! Just believe in the RCW Credo (which we'll have to come up with during the Jamboree). Can't wait, Liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Riding in the blizzard!!!
Fabulous! That's what I'm talkin' about! Winter Riding! Thanks for the pics. Just be sure, as I'm sure you do, to wipe everything down really well when you come in, especially the drive train and chain. Liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opinions Wanted on Alternative Mark's Rack Installation
Hi Matt, just throwing out the example of long Nitto struts with an M-18 front rack, attached to the dropout lugs on my old Raleigh. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/aP1010004.jpgI've since added some Honjo full fenders, and they share the lug fitting with no troubles. With the Honjos, I've also managed to use the front diving board bolt as an additional fender attachment, giving me a rock-solid 3-point attachment on my front fender. On Sunday, February 10, 2013 12:53:16 AM UTC-6, hangtownmatt wrote: Before I finalize this installation by cutting the struts to proper length, I'd like your opinion. I ask, because a long Nitto strut attached to the front hub area seems like such an obvious improvement in overall strength, yet I do not believe I've ever seen it or read about it before. Am I missing something, or is this a good idea? http://www.flickr.com/photos/93060983@N03/ Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: More Riv Posters?!?!?
Meh, i'm not a fan, mainly because i don't think you can tell what they are posters for if you're not a member of the RBW list. And while i agree that anyone can post anything they want on the internet, if you're paid for something even if it's to abandon a project (and asked by the customer to abandon the project), i don't think you have a right to show the work product, even if it's for 'illustration' purposes. if people don't know the back-story and see these, they instantly associate it with the RBW brand and that's not fair in this case. If it were me i would've locked it away for my personal portfolio and not share it with the public, but that's just me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
Hey, can Riv Chicas who are not warriors join you? On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: Yes, Manny. My dreams are telling me to go camping when I visit Riv in a couple weeks. Jenny RCW-West has also chimed in that she wants to go. So it's an Official Riv Chica Warrior Jamboree! Can I suggest a route that is not too long—maybe 20-30 miles each way? And not too technical as in a traverse along 40 degree inclines over boulders and tree stumps. And accessible from Walnut Creek as I would need to beg a bike from Riv. I am *all in* on this and willing to pack a light camping kit in a duffle for the plane, although would also welcome sharing a bunk in a 2-3 person tent if this is a possibility. If it's totally rainy, bets are off; however, cooler temps are not an obstacle for me as I ride in snow. Who's in on this caper? You don't have to be a RCW—yet! Just believe in the RCW Credo (which we'll have to come up with during the Jamboree). Can't wait, Liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Aero cable routing for bar end shifters
I appreciate all the input, i might be imagining things as my other bike (which is down-tube friction) is similiar feeling on the down-shift (a little easier though). i'm testing on the workstand so it might be less noticeable once i take it out on the street. The only possible thing that might help is that i used the old spiral wrap housing (hey, i use friction shifters and didn't have the SIS shifter housing long enough), SIS housing seems a little more pliable to bend, so i might try some other housing -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] WTB: Wedge Saddlebag (VO Croissant)
Dear Riv Listers: Before hitting 'purchase' on a new, Velo Orange Croissant Saddlebag, I thought I'd check in here first in case someone has a lightly used model that needs a new home. Here's the bag: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-crossaint-saddle-bag.html I'd be open to other wedge designs such as the Acorn med saddlebag. However, the VO seems best for my needs, as it's optimized to attach directly to saddle rails rather than loops; and I'd be putting it on an old Brooks saddle w/out loops. Hit me up off list at kolbyt at gmail dot com. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
I should be there. Might want the locals around the area to suggest a spot thats good. Ask the lovely folks at rivHQ. They know some nice spots. I only know the campsite at juniper. good spot but I only know the road to get there long climbing great views. the dirt coming out of juniper is a little nerve wrecking if you go stupid fast. But can be a blast if u take it slow. Just my two cents. Looking forward to it. -manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RivReviews
I think Tim M nails it with Grant's accessibility and visibility as the face of his company - that face can easily become a target in this polarized world. Most of us like that personal side, and are inclined to cut 'em some slack if something runs late or the part spec changes slightly over time (most of us wouldn't happily accept such delays or changes from a faceless mega-corporation). Do most Trek riders or even Surly riders know the name of the person/people who run/s those companies and/or design/s the bikes? Probably not. Leslie B also makes a great point that some people expect a lot of hullabaloo out of the Riv experience. After all, being able to dictate the complete component spec (to a point) to your bike company appeals to a certain type of person, who may also be the type of person who doesn't easily shrug off unexpected changes and delays. I'd bet that Riv has a much higher proportion of customers who have a preferred spoke brand than, say, Trek does. On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:17:25 AM UTC-6, Leslie wrote: On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The dude may well be semi-justified. After nearly 10 years as a happy Riv customer, I'd be lying if I said that delays on frame orders are uncommon. Most of us realize that it happens and give Riv the benefit of the doubt. I'd also be lying if I said that Riv was batting 1.000 with returned calls and emails. In fact, if I really want to communicate with Riv, I've learned to email, then call, and, if needed, follow-up with another email or call. As a person who deals with fairly high call/email volume, I get it, and it's ok with me. So the guy's frame is later than estimated by perhaps months. He calls or emails once or twice or thrice and, for whatever reason, the ball gets dropped, and his concerns are never addressed to his satisfaction. Obviously there are at least two sides to every story, but I don't necessarily think that this review tells a tale that is too far out of ordinary. My Bombadil frame took awhile. I originally ordered it via layaway, but just before I called to make my final pay-off, the diaga-version came out. So, when I called to pay it off, I asked if I could switch from a 2TT to the diaga-version. They said no problem, but, Keven wasn't in at the moment, and they wanted to double-check w/ him before they guaranteed anything. Later that day, Keven called me, wanting to make it clear: the new frames had *no* ETA... given their complexity (awaiting new lugs, that then went to W'ford for the main build, then shipped to Mark N for the stays to be added), he was *exceptionally* clear about it not being a couple of months before it arrived. I was fine w/ that. He gave me a ballpark timeframe, with no guarantees, and, yeah, it was a couple of months after that before it actually arrived. But, that was okay, they were upfront about it. They emailed me pics of the frame as soon as it got back from the painters, before they shipped it to me. It was really good communication, but, good things take time. When I first paid off the frame, I momentarily talked to Rich about a wheelset for it, and at that time, I said I wanted 650b Dyads in 36h. He said, sure, no problem, will have it ready for you when the frame is. But, it was about a year later before I actually got the frame. When we were in the run-up to the frame shipping to me, I got back w/ Rich in regards to the wheelset. Have to admit, at that point, he'd made how many different wheelsets? So, could I honestly expect him to remember that I had chatted for a minute about 'em a year earlier? No, so, we chatted again to spec 'em out, and, discovered that he didn't have 36h Dyads in 650b; there was a batch of 32h that were mislabeled. Went w/ Synergy, all was well; but, no, it wasn't what I had been envisioning for the previous year. If I was OCD, though, I could see that someone might have been Oh my gosh, it's been 3 weeks, two days, and 27 minutes, why hasn't UPS picked it up from RBW yet?!?!. Why do I have to have a Synergy instead of a Dyad?!But, it's a good bike, a good wheelset. I guess, RBW is catering to a, a group of folks that care about bike nuances, who, therefore, may be a bit OCD about things if we didn't care so much, we all might just walk in to the LBS and grab whatever Trek or C'dale is on the showroom floor, and ride it as-is. But, we care about which frame (a Sam versus a Hilsen), the color (blue or rootbeer), the bars (m'tache or Albas or Noodles or what), twine or not, cork, shellac, 7sp vs 8 sp (9sp too, but not 10sp), we're 'selective'.Because of that, we almost feel like, dealing w/ RBW, it should arrive via red-carpet and horns. So, if you have someone who has THAT expectation, and it didn't hit those milestones as quickly,
[RBW] Re: RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
Liesl, by Bay Area standards--the BA being a place that's surrounded by suitalbe camping sites--20 to 30 miles each way is a malathion! Last week we went on one that took 55 minutes to get to, and that included some traffic lights and pushing. The week before, it was more adventurous, with a 3 mile hilly ride (partly in the dark), and if it's longer than that it's not as much fun (opinion there). If you give Manny a 30 mile leash he'll use it, so I wouldn't do that if I were you. There are tons of options all the heck over the place, but some of it depends on group size. There are delightful close places that have zero great tent sites, and barely room for 3 tents but if you don't mind sleeping on a slant or in a bivy sackAnd there are others that---welll, there are plenty out there, Contra Costa Country (where we are)---Walnut Creeky, Shell Ride, Mount Diabloand then Marin Co. and the Headlands.. Lists are up on the site, but for anybody going who's not sure, this is a good starter gear checklist that can be followed exactly with good results, or added to or subtracted from to suit: Sleeping bag, pad VBL if you're into them, and not everybody is Tent, stakes. Short, spikey stakes, in case the ground is hard. It won't be soft enough to require wide stakes. Pillow if you like pillows. Inflatable + item of clothing, stuffed into a wool top you aren't sleeping in makes a half-decent head-rig. Toothbrush paste floss, and the phenomenal Stim-U-Dent pics, which I can't recommend highly enough. Never used them? You're in for a treat. Headlight, book Pajamas. Wool head to toe, beanie to sox, unless you're a vegan. Warm hang-out-in camp clothese. A light down sweater or fake down sweater --one of those super fashionble Patagonia jobs is the current ticket, it seems. But something like taht packs small and comes in handly. Stove? Bowl-plate-spork? Or bring hand-food and don't make rigamaroll of it. Knife? Somebody generally brings group cheese or salami or something, and you have to bring your own knife to cut it. Camera. Bandana, in case somebody brings messy food or whatever. No doubt others willl chime in, and bring it all on, but this is a list that totally works. - We have a loaner bag and tent and pad. THose things are a pain to travel with. On your frame order form: Recheck your saddle height, not jibing with PBH. On Monday, February 11, 2013 11:17:29 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote: Yes, Manny. My dreams are telling me to go camping when I visit Riv in a couple weeks. Jenny RCW-West has also chimed in that she wants to go. So it's an Official Riv Chica Warrior Jamboree! Can I suggest a route that is not too long—maybe 20-30 miles each way? And not too technical as in a traverse along 40 degree inclines over boulders and tree stumps. And accessible from Walnut Creek as I would need to beg a bike from Riv. I am *all in* on this and willing to pack a light camping kit in a duffle for the plane, although would also welcome sharing a bunk in a 2-3 person tent if this is a possibility. If it's totally rainy, bets are off; however, cooler temps are not an obstacle for me as I ride in snow. Who's in on this caper? You don't have to be a RCW—yet! Just believe in the RCW Credo (which we'll have to come up with during the Jamboree). Can't wait, Liesl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
Yes, I guess you're right, it's a balance between you and the stoker that brings proportions... not only you. At our size, if we'd both go on the same tandem, I'd try to build a 36er tandem! :-) Like this one (but it's a triple) : http://36ers.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/ttside.jpg?w=1200h= Cheers David On Friday, February 8, 2013 2:45:02 PM UTC-8, Julian wrote: David, I believe it is the best size for the handling and ride we want (I know others may/will demur, which is ok by me), and as a bonus, and it will also work better for the travel bike aspect -- 700c wheels are a snug fit in the 26x26x10 max airline size case, and w/40-45c tires would be quite tight. Not too worried about our size and 650b -- we're going up in tire volume, so that's not an issue. What is your concern? Aesthetic w/ too tall a head tube? That doesn't worry me, and w/ a small stoker the 650b actually offers subjectively better looks in the back, so... :) Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Friday, February 8, 2013 2:34:07 PM UTC-6, davidfrench wrote: Julian, I'm 6f6 and my stoker 5f10 and we just bought a used Trek T100 to play around the idea of a tandem I put 45c on it (Resist with gum wall... wrong idea they're too fragile) and changed bars/seats. It's great! But at our size, I wouldn't go with 650b. Why did you chose 650b for your Bilenki? David On Friday, February 8, 2013 6:49:34 AM UTC-8, Julian wrote: We've ridden a 700c steel Trek tandem from the early '90s for a number of years w/ 35c tires and fenders. I'm big (6'7), stoker small (5'2), team weight somewhere around 340 total. Ridden mostly on road, but on some non-pave trials, the worst of which was the CO Canal (roots, rocks, mud, and ruts), and while a little extra cush would sometimes be good, we've been fine. We bought our Trek used and really enjoyed it. That said, we've been saving our pennies for several years and have ordered a custom Bilenky 650b randonneur/travel SS coupled bike that is designed for Hetres w/fenders. You are right in your observation that the majority of stock road tandem makers (esp. Santana) seem to be trying to emulate single bike styling and design w/ low spoke count wheels w/ narrow tires. There are a few exceptions, but custom is not too far off the cost of an upmarket stock bike, so if the budget allows I'd definitely go custom (or look for a deal on a used bike w/ room for at least 35c tires and semi-sensible geometry). Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Thursday, February 7, 2013 12:53:35 AM UTC-6, Salween wrote: Don't know if Grant and Co. will ever produce a tandem, so in the meantime will be getting one elsewhere. Seems like most tandems out there follow the skinny tire theme, with the exception of R+E in Seattle and Bilenky in Philadelphia, and even their tire clearances don't seem to push as far north as nearly all Riv singles. So wondering if there are any tandem riders here and what tire widths they prefer. On my Sam I ride 33/35mm tires often on marginal roads. So wondering what that might translate to on a 700c tandem? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: More Riv Posters?!?!?
Hmm... If it's work you did, you can pretty much show it, even if it was killed. Selling actual posters would be unethical, IMO, but showing the work you did is a pretty fair use of Fair Use. However, I would clearly state that what's shown is a portfolio piece, and never made it to production. Like many infographics, these aren't very informative, and... the information isn't graphical. A Rivendell infographic would, I think, have to be very beautiful, detailed, and, you know, informative. Now that I'm thinking about what that could be, it looks pretty good in my mind. Philip www.biketinker.com www.philipwilliamson.com On Monday, February 11, 2013 11:28:58 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote: Meh, i'm not a fan, mainly because i don't think you can tell what they are posters for if you're not a member of the RBW list. And while i agree that anyone can post anything they want on the internet, if you're paid for something even if it's to abandon a project (and asked by the customer to abandon the project), i don't think you have a right to show the work product, even if it's for 'illustration' purposes. if people don't know the back-story and see these, they instantly associate it with the RBW brand and that's not fair in this case. If it were me i would've locked it away for my personal portfolio and not share it with the public, but that's just me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Dates to put on the calendar
First: Last year's Midwest Rivendell Rally was a lot of fun, but fewer than half of the dozen participants were actually riding Rivendell brand bicycles. This year, I'm calling it a Midwest Country Bike Rally, and it will be June 1-2 in Spring Valley, MN, which is home of the Almanzo 100 gravel grinder, and IMO in the vicinity of the best country bike riding in Minnesota. All country bikes and their riders are welcome. I'll be doing the commute to and from Spring Valley using Amtrak the day before and the day after, for any Twin Cities folk who want to extend the weekend with me. Second: I'd like to do a reprise of this trip: http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2012/10/fall-northwoods-trip.html Dates and other details are tentative, but I'm looking at Sept 22-28, approximately. Most likely, we'll base the trip from a lakeside cabin in Northern Wisconsin, a 4hr drive from the Twin Cities. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
With a 26 wheel, we have found 36 spokes to be plenty strong enough. Michael On Friday, February 8, 2013 12:46:28 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote: On Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:49:31 PM UTC-6, Salween wrote: -snip- The 650b option is interesting. Certainly a growing number of tire choices out there. But I've not seen many rim options at 36-hole and none at 40-hole, but maybe 36 is enough for our needs? What are folks using for touring tandems? -snip- Bilenky had a run of Velocity 40 hole 650b rims made for them. I do not know if any others have access to those, however. Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Yves Gomez gets his groove back
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:37:26 PM UTC-5, Phillip Hathaway wrote: After a cold Colorado January contemplating the many directions I could take my Yves I embraced Just Ride and purchased a new set of Bosco bars and moved my shifters to the stem. The results have been subtle and transformative. The slight rise in position has given me a whole new comfort level that wasn't there with the albas and bar ends as well as an aggressive spot down by the stem. Last week's warm spell yielded four lunchtime rides in addition to my short commute that confirmed Cosmopolitan Yves has got his groove back. Pictures here for those interested. http://www.flickr.com/photos/flipvelo/8458945025/in/photostream/ Now if anyone has a green B17 special i'll be done fooling around and ready for a Spring S24O. I have a NOS green B17 special that I don't intend to use, make me an offer and it can be yours. Sincerely, Ryan Hankinson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Meet new people.
Looks like a good size group you had nicer weather than we had here in So Cal last weekend. Hope we get as many out this weekend for David's Redlands Ramble. dougP On Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:02:10 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote: As much of an individual exercise activity it is it's always better with others. Luckily every once in a while you get to meet like minded people wanting go out and ride. Got invited to a ride up railroad grade on a mix terrain ride. Some highlights: - Confusing a handful of cyclists on the bridge into thinking that we were the ride they were wanting for. - Finding out that there's a biking repair box near the top of Mt.Tam. - Having ride leader Brian Oei be the best ride leader by providing spam musubi! - Being forced ride to the top because no one believe that there was Hot dogs at the top. - Practicing my tumbling skills on some dirt downhill for the group. - Remembering the eating and socializing more then the ride itself. Pictures proved that sometimes the ride is better with more: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjDXaKVQ - Manny I love Spam Musubi Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
Hey, can Riv Chicas who are not warriors join you? Anne, all Riv Chicas are Warriors—some just have had more opportunity to demonstrate it! So all Riv Chicas are welcomed! Plus all Riv Chico Warriors too—same standard of who is and who isn't applies! RCW is an equal opportunity-to-get-youself-in-harm's-way-for-a-noble-cause tribe. And Grant, I dig the shorter leash and 55 minutes to get someplace. I am diggin' it. Plus if I can borrow the tent-pad-bag kit I am diggin' it even more! Let's go! So how much is needed to know in advance? Like, do we need to know how many are game, or do we just say, 'meet at Riv at X:XX o'clock and off we ride to Riv Camp in Dreamland? This is so exciting, I can't even tell you! xxoo RCW 0001 ps. We really do need a pin or a badge or a patch...perhaps we can muse about it over a snort of a tasty spirit and the warm glow of a headlamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Dates to put on the calendar
Either of those looks like a blast. Only a 13 hour hop, skip, and jump up IH-35. Hmmm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Aero cable routing for bar end shifters
Mine is the longitudinal housing, where the wires run straight along the length of the housing. I was told spiraling housing is for brakes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Aero cable routing for bar end shifters
I used a little extra lube and didn't really notice any shifting issues. I did need an extra long cable however and didn't even need to trim it! - Ryan On Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:30:13 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote: This is a question to the folks that have routed the cable housing for their bar end shifters 'aero' style where it runs up the length of the bars and exits the tape at the stem. I did this recently and it feels like there is a lot more friction, i was expecting some, but it's a lot more difficult to move the shifter, is this normal? Or is there a trick to how to route the housing? I've tried to get the bend around the drops as wide as possible, but it's still a pretty tight curve (i'm using noodles), I love how clean the routing is this way--and the fact that it makes front bag mouting a lot easier, but the feeling at the shifter is concerning, thanks for any tips! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RivReviews
Well there you have have it, a lesson learned. All's good in the Riv universe, just goes to show how great a company Riv is. I just got a thank you letter from Riv thanking me for my purchase, what company these days does that? Not many. No company is perfect and the ones that strive to do the right thing by its customers is a company to be valued. As much as the negative reviewer felt slighted he decided to stew as Grant states and then write a nasty review rather then be reasonable and simply let Riv staff know of his frustration. He may have encountered the frequent companies that shine you on, its easy to think your not valued as a customer but I chose these days to be kind and let time inform me of a company's ethic and then I have a choice to do business or not! I will continue to do business with Grant and the Riv staff because they are a value added company. Hugh Sunland, Ca On Monday, February 11, 2013 12:13:12 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I think Tim M nails it with Grant's accessibility and visibility as the face of his company - that face can easily become a target in this polarized world. Most of us like that personal side, and are inclined to cut 'em some slack if something runs late or the part spec changes slightly over time (most of us wouldn't happily accept such delays or changes from a faceless mega-corporation). Do most Trek riders or even Surly riders know the name of the person/people who run/s those companies and/or design/s the bikes? Probably not. Leslie B also makes a great point that some people expect a lot of hullabaloo out of the Riv experience. After all, being able to dictate the complete component spec (to a point) to your bike company appeals to a certain type of person, who may also be the type of person who doesn't easily shrug off unexpected changes and delays. I'd bet that Riv has a much higher proportion of customers who have a preferred spoke brand than, say, Trek does. On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:17:25 AM UTC-6, Leslie wrote: On Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The dude may well be semi-justified. After nearly 10 years as a happy Riv customer, I'd be lying if I said that delays on frame orders are uncommon. Most of us realize that it happens and give Riv the benefit of the doubt. I'd also be lying if I said that Riv was batting 1.000 with returned calls and emails. In fact, if I really want to communicate with Riv, I've learned to email, then call, and, if needed, follow-up with another email or call. As a person who deals with fairly high call/email volume, I get it, and it's ok with me. So the guy's frame is later than estimated by perhaps months. He calls or emails once or twice or thrice and, for whatever reason, the ball gets dropped, and his concerns are never addressed to his satisfaction. Obviously there are at least two sides to every story, but I don't necessarily think that this review tells a tale that is too far out of ordinary. My Bombadil frame took awhile. I originally ordered it via layaway, but just before I called to make my final pay-off, the diaga-version came out. So, when I called to pay it off, I asked if I could switch from a 2TT to the diaga-version. They said no problem, but, Keven wasn't in at the moment, and they wanted to double-check w/ him before they guaranteed anything. Later that day, Keven called me, wanting to make it clear: the new frames had *no* ETA... given their complexity (awaiting new lugs, that then went to W'ford for the main build, then shipped to Mark N for the stays to be added), he was *exceptionally* clear about it not being a couple of months before it arrived. I was fine w/ that. He gave me a ballpark timeframe, with no guarantees, and, yeah, it was a couple of months after that before it actually arrived. But, that was okay, they were upfront about it. They emailed me pics of the frame as soon as it got back from the painters, before they shipped it to me. It was really good communication, but, good things take time. When I first paid off the frame, I momentarily talked to Rich about a wheelset for it, and at that time, I said I wanted 650b Dyads in 36h. He said, sure, no problem, will have it ready for you when the frame is. But, it was about a year later before I actually got the frame. When we were in the run-up to the frame shipping to me, I got back w/ Rich in regards to the wheelset. Have to admit, at that point, he'd made how many different wheelsets? So, could I honestly expect him to remember that I had chatted for a minute about 'em a year earlier? No, so, we chatted again to spec 'em out, and, discovered that he didn't have 36h Dyads in 650b; there was a batch of 32h that were mislabeled. Went w/ Synergy, all was well; but, no, it wasn't what I had been envisioning for the
[RBW] Re: Dates to put on the calendar
You'd be foolish not to! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Any Riv tandem riders--tire width?
Great, now I need a 36er triplet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Aero cable routing for bar end shifters
I had to look this up from Sheldon, but prior to indexed shifting there was only spiral housing, and i'm only running friction. But sis housing is a little more pliable so I could see some benefit. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] S240- Mt.Ham - 18th - 19th.
Down pour cancels. Meeting at Fremont Bart around 930ish. Parking on Guardino is good and safe if you planning on driving. First day Fremont Bart to Joseph D Grant Ranch. 50ish miles http://goo.gl/maps/Cixf4 Food stop along the way before heading over the last hill to Grant Ranch. Second day. Joseph D Grant Ranch back to DUBLIN Bart 60ish miles http://goo.gl/maps/9GpCF Theres vending machines at the top of Ham and some type of 7-11 on the other side of Ham. There will be pictures and a sharing of food. Expect to get lost, but to have a good time. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike stereo
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[RBW] Glorius Love
Thanks to Alex here on the list who sold me some Honjos, I finally have my wife's Glorius mixte finished! Only took six years, but nothing like pacing yourself through a project! It finally looks just right! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8446879114/in/set-72157604628485425/(updated this from a previous pic). Little bit of a hack getting the 700C Honjos to fit. Turned into a two day project. In the end they're just about perfect. Used the classic wine cork hack to make it happen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8445790761/in/set-72157604628485425 I think it's evolved into a pretty nice ride! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Glorius Love
David, Great bike! I think the Glorius/Wilbury were one of the most special pair of models Rivendell ever produced. I like the extra character that bikes gets during their long lives. The fender switch-around just adds to that history. JL SF,CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Glorius Love
This has been a wonderful bike for her (us!). Currently set up as a 1X9 with wide range cassette. My wife LOVES the set up. I ride this bike whenever I can. It's a touch too small, but not so much to be uncomfortable. I'm always on the lookout for a used Wilbury in my size, although I might just break down and buy a Foy/Gomes some day. Custom mountain mixte would really be the bike for me! On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:27 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: David, Great bike! I think the Glorius/Wilbury were one of the most special pair of models Rivendell ever produced. I like the extra character that bikes gets during their long lives. The fender switch-around just adds to that history. JL SF,CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike stereo
Worked out well today except I think the ipod battery got cold in the wind. After about 20 min my fully charged ipod was dead. Then after like two stoplights it was back up 1/2 way again. Worked just fine all the way home in slightly warmer weather. I've heard of battery life decreasing in the cold. I may have to insulate it somehow. On Monday, February 11, 2013 8:48:55 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Very cool idea!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] RCW S24O Saturday-Sunday February 23-24
Hi Liesl,
Depending on the dates and whether or not I'm traveling for work, I'd like
to join the dream ride. And the suggested distance/ride time is right up my
current state of fitness.
There is a very nice campsite in the Marin Headlands that I once rode by
with Ray Shine that I think would meet your dream's description nicely, but
a Bart ride from RBW to San Francisco might be required.
Since I don't know any routes or camping grounds in that area, I hope
others make suggestions that I'll be glad to follow.
René
On Monday, February 11, 2013, Liesl wrote:
Hey, can Riv Chicas who are not warriors join you?
Anne, all Riv Chicas are Warriors—some just have had more opportunity to
demonstrate it! So all Riv Chicas are welcomed! Plus all Riv Chico
Warriors too—same standard of who is and who isn't applies! RCW is an equal
opportunity-to-get-youself-in-harm's-way-for-a-noble-cause tribe.
And Grant, I dig the shorter leash and 55 minutes to get someplace. I am
diggin' it. Plus if I can borrow the tent-pad-bag kit I am diggin' it even
more! Let's go!
So how much is needed to know in advance? Like, do we need to know how
many are game, or do we just say, 'meet at Riv at X:XX o'clock and off we
ride to Riv Camp in Dreamland?
This is so exciting, I can't even tell you!
xxoo RCW 0001
ps. We really do need a pin or a badge or a patch...perhaps we can muse
about it over a snort of a tasty spirit and the warm glow of a headlamp.
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Re: [RBW] Glorius Love
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Re: [RBW] Glorius Love
W-w-w-wow!!! Love! Brian Seattle, WA On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Just beautiful! -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] S240- Mt.Ham - 18th - 19th.
That 7/11 on the other side of Ham is more like a biker bar (which may or may not be open). It's at the intersection of Mines Road and San Antonio Valley Road. It's the only commercial establishment of any kind in about forty miles. But now that you've cut down the length of the second day, this is looking like a good adventure. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Down pour cancels. Meeting at Fremont Bart around 930ish. Parking on Guardino is good and safe if you planning on driving. First day Fremont Bart to Joseph D Grant Ranch. 50ish miles http://goo.gl/maps/Cixf4 Food stop along the way before heading over the last hill to Grant Ranch. Second day. Joseph D Grant Ranch back to DUBLIN Bart 60ish miles http://goo.gl/maps/9GpCF Theres vending machines at the top of Ham and some type of 7-11 on the other side of Ham. There will be pictures and a sharing of food. Expect to get lost, but to have a good time. -Manny -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Glorius Love
Sweet! The lug/paint detail on those bikes were amazing. On Monday, February 11, 2013 9:53:16 PM UTC-8, stonehog wrote: W-w-w-wow!!! Love! Brian Seattle, WA On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, René Sterental orth...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Just beautiful! -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Glorius Love
The details are really amazing on it. Foys/Gomezezes are great bikes, but the Glorius/Wilbury combo was something special! Always kind of on the lookout for a G/W in my size for just this reason! On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet! The lug/paint detail on those bikes were amazing. On Monday, February 11, 2013 9:53:16 PM UTC-8, stonehog wrote: W-w-w-wow!!! Love! Brian Seattle, WA On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, René Sterental orth...@gmail.comwrote: Just beautiful! -- Sent from Gmail Mobile -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Aero cable routing for bar end shifters
Works transparently for me, using lined housing and teflon-coated cables. I also used a couple drops of Tri-Flow. I like smooth cables. Lasts a couple of years before it starts to grab a bit, and then I overhaul. pb On Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:30:13 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote: This is a question to the folks that have routed the cable housing for their bar end shifters 'aero' style where it runs up the length of the bars and exits the tape at the stem. I did this recently and it feels like there is a lot more friction, i was expecting some, but it's a lot more difficult to move the shifter, is this normal? Or is there a trick to how to route the housing? I've tried to get the bend around the drops as wide as possible, but it's still a pretty tight curve (i'm using noodles), I love how clean the routing is this way--and the fact that it makes front bag mouting a lot easier, but the feeling at the shifter is concerning, thanks for any tips! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
