Re: [RBW] If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
I actually like the look of the AWOL more than the Niner. Disappointingly pinner 42mm tires, though. 60mm is where it's at. Jeff Jones spaceframe for me, please. And/or a Roadeo with electronic shifting hacked for half-step shifting (discover new and old-new things at the same time). More likely to get a Black Mountain cross frame, because it's copasetic with my box of parts and my budget. Or sell off my box of parts and continue to be happy with the bikes I already have. Philip Riv Gathering T-shirts http://etsy.me/1xM6K5o On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:06:29 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I'm diggin' the Specialized AWOL http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/road/awol/awol-comp-#specs. Seems like a really well designed drop-bar 29er! Sure is a lot uglier than that Niner though! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Most (all?) of us have a strong affinity for steel bikes. Many of us like various classic or retro properties: lugs, friction dt shifters, fewer than 11 cogs, etc. Several of us really enjoy doing builds on classic bikes from the 70s/80s/90s etc. Many of us lament that nothing new or contemporary speaks to us at all. But many others of us do have openings in the stable for things that are decidedly new. Some of us run fatbikes. A few of us maybe has a Gates beltbike, or a newfangled folder, or a dual-suspension 29er. Some of us even have a carbon bike. My stable is now at 9 bikes all steel, but I'll admit that I'm pretty darned infatuated with this bike: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerCompleteBuilds/Complete_bike_images/RLT+9/RLT9_Force_4star.jpg A sloping TT road bike, with more BB drop than a cyclocross bike. 135mm rear end, disc brakes. Very smart front facing fork tips and normal wheel axles. Takes 29x1.75 tires without fenders, and would easily run 700x38 tires (tubeless) with fenders. Has all the integrated fender mount points. Has a PF30 BB that makes it easy to set it up as a singlespeed. Add to that I can get the frame/fork/headset from Jenson for $1050 and get a free $250 gift card for my next purchase(s). So it's an $800 frameset. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything not to like. Five years ago, when we whined that modern bikes were designed too much for pure road racers, this is the kind of thoroughly modern real-world bike I thought was missing. I have bikes that are setup to carry loads well. For mixed terrain stuff that I'd do unloaded, this bike would definitely get ridden. I imagine it would be incredibly fun Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: chain line
Good to know, thanks. I tried measuring, but I'm not too confident in my plastic ruler and less than perfect eyeballing skills. Best I could tell its ~46 mm from the middle of the seat tube to the inner face of the middle chain ring. I'm sure it'll be fine. Jay On Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:21:52 AM UTC+3, blakcloud wrote: The chainline will be fine from your description. In my opinion if you are using a multi-speed chain, eight or nine speed, chainline is less critical because there is enough flexibility in the chain to compensate being off. I rode single speed for years and if it looked close that was good enough for me. You could always measure what you have. Middle of the seat tube to your middle ring. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
And what is this paragon that Bill is so infatuated with? On 06/25/2014 10:37 PM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: The BB drop on the larger models is perfect for a 650b conversion... -J On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:58:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: Most (all?) of us have a strong affinity for steel bikes. Many of us like various classic or retro properties: lugs, friction dt shifters, fewer than 11 cogs, etc. Several of us really enjoy doing builds on classic bikes from the 70s/80s/90s etc. Many of us lament that nothing new or contemporary speaks to us at all. But many others of us do have openings in the stable for things that are decidedly new. Some of us run fatbikes. A few of us maybe has a Gates beltbike, or a newfangled folder, or a dual-suspension 29er. Some of us even have a carbon bike. My stable is now at 9 bikes all steel, but I'll admit that I'm pretty darned infatuated with this bike: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerCompleteBuilds/Complete_bike_images/RLT+9/RLT9_Force_4star.jpg A sloping TT road bike, with more BB drop than a cyclocross bike. 135mm rear end, disc brakes. Very smart front facing fork tips and normal wheel axles. Takes 29x1.75 tires without fenders, and would easily run 700x38 tires (tubeless) with fenders. Has all the integrated fender mount points. Has a PF30 BB that makes it easy to set it up as a singlespeed. Add to that I can get the frame/fork/headset from Jenson for $1050 and get a free $250 gift card for my next purchase(s). So it's an $800 frameset. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything not to like. Five years ago, when we whined that modern bikes were designed too much for pure road racers, this is the kind of thoroughly modern real-world bike I thought was missing. I have bikes that are setup to carry loads well. For mixed terrain stuff that I'd do unloaded, this bike would definitely get ridden. I imagine it would be incredibly fun Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:19:41 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote: A Custom Frame of course ! Something like the diagatube 60cm. Bombadil or Appaloosa but as a Mixte, without the TT. With 3 bottle holders and all the braze on fixins. Hey . . it's as modern as modern can get ! Garth's future bike? : http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/2349587723/mountain-mixte-custom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications
Interesting. Thinking about my own bikes (700c Surly LHT, 26 Surly Trucker DeLuxe, old 26 GT Karakoram), I see a blending of the influences of three men: Grant Petersen, Jan Heine, and Peter White. It has been argued that the Surly LHT geometry was broadly derived from the Atlantis; whether that's true or not, the relaxed geometry/sturdy steel/wide tire clearance is certainly compatible with Grant's approach. I run Riv pedals (Grip Kings or Thin Gripsters) on all three bikes, Jan's tires on the two Surlys (38mm Compass Barlow Pass on the 700c, Compass 1.75 on the 26); on the GT, I run Rivish Schwalbe Big Bens in the warm weather, and studded Nokian W240s (courtesy of Peter White) during ice bike season. The GT Karakoram's original flat bars have been enhanced with Cane Creek bar ends, again courtesy of Peter White. The build of the Trucker DeLuxe included some Rivish components, including wide Nitto Noodles, a Sugino crank, and NOS Sun Tour friction shifters. Grant, Jan, and Peter, thanks for your sage guidance. rod On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:02:29 AM UTC-4, Mathew Greiner wrote: I've been wondering lately, what percentage of my bike needs to originate at Rivendell to qualify as a real RBW Owner? Obviously, a frame will do the trick, but that's something I don't have have, and probably won't anytime real soon. Meanwhile, just about every other part of my bike was bought from Rivendell. Tires, saddle, bar, grips, bar end Silvers, brakes, fenders, double legger kickstand, multiple straps, a Saddlesack, and many of my favorite wardrobe items. Bar tape and one or two accessories weren't ordered from Riv, but are the brands sold there. There's twine wrapped in more than a few places. I've read, recommended, and loaned both the latest RBW catalog and *Just Ride.* A hatchet and some camping bits are likely to be ordered soon. Is there a component percentage or a ratio of parts by mass that determine how Rivvy a bike is? Now, I'm sure I can call myself an iBOB, but as Google Groups go, the tone here is more comfortable. No one will quibble if I lurk or occasionally suggest that if Riv describes a hunk-O-cheese as a good thing to put in a Sackville pannier, then cheese should be On Topic, but am I a Riv Owner? Not exactly, but I'd like to think that if I mailed a postcard to HQ, they'd reply with the same. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications
LOL! For the record: My Grant-designed (just for me!) road bikes are my design benchmarks. (But I keep my bars properly low.) On the Lovely Bicycle blog's current entry, there is a formally unrelated but materially quite pertinent discussion about bar height and overall bicycle design, to which Jan Heine adds a useful commentary. On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:03:38 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: yep, grant is the leader and we're all just followers. *b* ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
I've never ridden a Roadeo; hell, I've never been close to a Roadeo. But from my experience with Grant's designs, I'd have to say that my targets for fleet inflation, in order of desire, are the Roadeo and the Hunquapillar. I don't know if these meet the thoroughly criterion. On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:53 PM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote: I have to say my modern bike is my Roadeo. On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:58:48 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
Yes! On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Modern. what's this word mean? Modern. Siri, define modern. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] chain line
Jay -- chainline is no more important for a 1X1 than for a 3xN. With modern flexible chains and long chainstays, a cm either way is of little consequence. Some years ago when I emailed Grant to fret about chainline, he replied that, if I am putting in enough miles with an off-center chainline that I have to replace chains and cogs more often than some theoretical ideal, then I am riding so much that I should count myself lucky. That said, I personally do try to keep my chain centered when in the cruising gears, and, second, that I've found that a 113 bb with an ENO and a bit of lateral adjustment gives me a very centered ss chainline on a mtb frame with 135 mm dropout spacing. Also, FWIW, on my Fargo as currently equipped, the 113 Phil puts the XD2's middle ring just right in reference to the #5 cog of a 9 speed cassette. On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I recently ordered a WI eccentric wheel from Anthony at Longlake Cycles. It will be going on my Sam Hillborne, which is set up with a 113 mm BB and a Sugino triple. Will this result in the correct chain line with a freehub and the middle ring of the triple? The web tells me that this hub features a 47.5 mm chain line (lines up with the middle ring of a standard MTB crankset, or with the cog flipped over, it will line up with the outer ring of a typical road double. Thanks. I never really worried about chainline before, but I understand that it is more important with a single speed setup. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
A couple of times, I've caught myself drooling over custom Ti gravel grinders. Seven makes some really attractive ones, and there's a local-ish-to-me builder in Guelph, ON called True North. He builds modern-styled steel and Ti bikes, including SS coupled Ti tandems (!) His style is certainly not BoB-ish, but those bikes are probably light as heck, and undoubtedly super fun to ride. http://www.truenorthcycles.com/ KJ On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:58:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
Steve That's a Niner RLT9. As pictured, it's their 4-star build, which reportedly is a 19lb bike. RLT stands for Road Less Travelled. I wonder how many of the folks at Niner are up to speed on their Frost? On Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:47:49 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: And what is this paragon that Bill is so infatuated with? On 06/25/2014 10:37 PM, justin...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: The BB drop on the larger models is perfect for a 650b conversion... -J On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:58:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: Most (all?) of us have a strong affinity for steel bikes. Many of us like various classic or retro properties: lugs, friction dt shifters, fewer than 11 cogs, etc. Several of us really enjoy doing builds on classic bikes from the 70s/80s/90s etc. Many of us lament that nothing new or contemporary speaks to us at all. But many others of us do have openings in the stable for things that are decidedly new. Some of us run fatbikes. A few of us maybe has a Gates beltbike, or a newfangled folder, or a dual-suspension 29er. Some of us even have a carbon bike. My stable is now at 9 bikes all steel, but I'll admit that I'm pretty darned infatuated with this bike: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerCompleteBuilds/Complete_bike_images/RLT+9/RLT9_Force_4star.jpg A sloping TT road bike, with more BB drop than a cyclocross bike. 135mm rear end, disc brakes. Very smart front facing fork tips and normal wheel axles. Takes 29x1.75 tires without fenders, and would easily run 700x38 tires (tubeless) with fenders. Has all the integrated fender mount points. Has a PF30 BB that makes it easy to set it up as a singlespeed. Add to that I can get the frame/fork/headset from Jenson for $1050 and get a free $250 gift card for my next purchase(s). So it's an $800 frameset. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything not to like. Five years ago, when we whined that modern bikes were designed too much for pure road racers, this is the kind of thoroughly modern real-world bike I thought was missing. I have bikes that are setup to carry loads well. For mixed terrain stuff that I'd do unloaded, this bike would definitely get ridden. I imagine it would be incredibly fun Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
Roadeo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Overheard at a bike shop
On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their customer's actual needs in mind. As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the conversation he was a new rider. The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were utterly necessary. It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low handlebars, given his round belly. I didn't say a word. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres tires, a review.
Do you ride with a front load? My pressures are optimized for a few pounds directly over the front axle via the handlebar bag. Also Anne's comment about descents is absolutely true-- whether in an aero tuck or feathering the brakes from the drops, with my butt weight lifted off the saddle, during fast descents the weight distribution definitely shifts frontward. Anton ridingthecatskills.com On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:58:00 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote: Why are everybodies F R tire pressures so close? Are you really that centered over the wheels? I recently started running 45/65 psi on Cypress based on a 40%/60% weight distribution and its been a revelation that my front was pumped to hard and my rear not enough. The lower pressure in the front has made my hands much more comfortable and the higher pressure in the rear hasn't been much noticeable in my tush. -Dave On Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:21:47 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I got back yesterday from Sierra to the Sea, a 586 mile supported bike tour from Lake Tahoe to San Francisco. I used the Grand Bois Cypres tires. I now want to report that they were splendid. We encountered some roads with terrible pavement, as I knew we would since this was my second year on the trip. The tires are marked for 75-95 psi, so I initially tried 80 psi. After a day, I let out some air; around 60 psi ended up working well for me. Others would slow down on the bumpy downhills, but I just zoomed. My buddy with narrow tires was constantly crowing about how great his tires were. When I followed him on some bad stretches of pavement on the flats, I grew tired of his weaving around trying to find a good line, whereas I just rode straight with no trouble. No flats, no problems. I still think that there ought to be a standard way to measure bike tire width, so we can compare tires from different vendors. But these tires (which still measure 30mm wide on my bike) performed admirably. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Waxed dental floss as thread for Riv type bags
And a good dousing with listerine. Anton ridingthecatskills.com On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 6:12:12 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote: Be sure to brush the bags first. –Eric N Sent from my iPhone 5S On Jun 25, 2014, at 6:56 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: And your bags will smell nice and minty afterwards! Anton ridingthecatskills.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
I've overhead similar pitches more than once. Common variants include Once you get used to the riding position, it's really quite comfortable and This gearing is fine once you get into shape. I think it's selling what's on the floor regardless of customer need. It seems the young, fit shop employees like to sell their favorite bike or the one they'd like to have. At their age fitness, they can't appreciate the learning curve of someone over 50 who may not have been on a bike in 30 years. dougP On Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:49:53 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their customer's actual needs in mind. As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the conversation he was a new rider. The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were utterly necessary. It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low handlebars, given his round belly. I didn't say a word. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
The gearing is fine once you get in shape is my pet peeve. New riders ought to buy a bike for their real selves, not their fantasy selves. This guy was a Clydesdale. He should have been sold a bike appropriate for him-- but I didn't see any such bikes in this shop. Oddly, a door away was a bike shop that catered to a more diverse group of riders. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:22 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I've overhead similar pitches more than once. Common variants include Once you get used to the riding position, it's really quite comfortable and This gearing is fine once you get into shape. I think it's selling what's on the floor regardless of customer need. It seems the young, fit shop employees like to sell their favorite bike or the one they'd like to have. At their age fitness, they can't appreciate the learning curve of someone over 50 who may not have been on a bike in 30 years. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Clem Smith Jr?
Did I miss something? Or is this blug post a tease? Another mythical character name for a bike, I'm guessing. Anyone know anything they can share? I chuckled at the comment about it resembling a manhole cover. The design looked familiar. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
UPDATE: New version of the patch. If you were holding off on getting a patch because of the ugly stem and cranks, I fixed the artwork. This is what will be made: http://etsy.me/1ycii2f It looks really good - I'm super happy with the work. Teeshirt blanks and artwork is at the printers today, as well. The shirt prints will be 11 wide, which brings posters and bandanas back in play. Is anyone interested in having an in-camp crafting session where you print your own bandana? Maybe dye them? Next up, ashtrays and wallets! Philip www.biketinker.com On Saturday, June 21, 2014 2:48:35 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: I saw the sample patch this morning; it looks good. I'm revising the artwork today for more graceful stems and cranks. I'm very excited about it. More here: http://www.biketinker.com/2014/fine-bikes/entmoot-patches/ Order here: https://www.etsy.com/listing/193291873/entmoot-patch I got the sample shirt blanks yesterday, and am very pleased with them, too. They are definitely white, but not bleached or optically whitened. Order here: http://etsy.me/1xM6K5o Preorders will continue through this weekend, then the choice will switch to a fixed number of orange shirts. Still on target to make 50 shirts and 50 patches. I got some test bandanas, but I'm not sure if that's going to come together, since I'd need new screens made for a larger design. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
I am reminded of hanging out at a LBS one Sunday afternoon and watching a young sales person try to sell a full suspension mountain bike to a middle age women buying her first bike and wanting something for bike paths and Vt's many dirt roads! I had to bite my tongue. Michael On Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:49:53 AM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their customer's actual needs in mind. As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the conversation he was a new rider. The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were utterly necessary. It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low handlebars, given his round belly. I didn't say a word. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
I don't understand the tongue biting. Why not find a moment and say something to the customer, quietly? Just something short and sweet to let them know there are other options? A shop that doesn't lose customers because they don't offer options won't add those options in the future, a shop that has customers say I want something for me, not for you, and then leave, will begin self-examination. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
The customers I see coming out of my local Trek bike shop with their newly purchased bikes make my mouth drop. One more reason to be happy you either own a Riv or at least know about Riv. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:49:53 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their customer's actual needs in mind. As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the conversation he was a new rider. The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were utterly necessary. It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low handlebars, given his round belly. I didn't say a word. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition
Hey Jim. I'll be there on Saturday with 4 friends. That'll add a Quickbeam, 2 Bleriots, a SamH, and an RB-T to the mix. We're not sure if we'll be camping that night yet. But, even if we didn't, I'd imagine we'd hang out at the campfire into the evening. Best, Lee SF, CA On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Here are the good Shire folk who have RSVP'ed so far, with the volunteers listed first. I have not listed all of the RBW staff who are attending, but rest assured it's a good turnout from headquarters. If your name is not on this list, and you plan on attending, now would be a good time to let me know. And if you're up for volunteering, let me know that too. Volunteer categories include ride leading, cooking, shuttling, campfire song leader, snipe hunter, etc. Anne Paulson Dave Stein Jeremy Till Manny Acosta Jim Edgar Dustin Goodwin Joe Bunik Dan MacNamara Richard Holden Philip Wililamson Tom Virgil Hugh Smitham Tony Almeida Reid (reidplum) Ryan Hankinson Jim Warren Doug P Brian Hanson Curtis McKenzie David (cyclotourist) Aaron Young Roger Hodges Andrew Johnson Esteban Del Rio Christian Olmos Matt Isaacs . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition
Oh. Hmm. It'd be nice if some more women would show up. Come on, women! It'll be great. On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Here are the good Shire folk who have RSVP'ed so far, with the volunteers listed first. I have not listed all of the RBW staff who are attending, but rest assured it's a good turnout from headquarters. If your name is not on this list, and you plan on attending, now would be a good time to let me know. And if you're up for volunteering, let me know that too. Volunteer categories include ride leading, cooking, shuttling, campfire song leader, snipe hunter, etc. Anne Paulson Dave Stein Jeremy Till Manny Acosta Jim Edgar Dustin Goodwin Joe Bunik Dan MacNamara Richard Holden Philip Wililamson Tom Virgil Hugh Smitham Tony Almeida Reid (reidplum) Ryan Hankinson Jim Warren Doug P Brian Hanson Curtis McKenzie David (cyclotourist) Aaron Young Roger Hodges Andrew Johnson Esteban Del Rio Christian Olmos Matt Isaacs . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
This Niner RLT 9 is a cool bike no doubt. It tugs at several of my strings. I've gone back and looked at it several times. Did it again today having read this post. I went and looked at Bike Rumors review Bike Rumor Niner RLT 9 Review http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/06/04/review-niner-rlt-9-gravel-road-bike/. But... you don't need to read into that review too deeply before you get to suggestions of carbon bars and flexible seat posts to get away from the jariness of the aluminum frame. Correct me but I don't think a rock-hard aluminum frame will never plane. It will never have a nice, compliant ride, and it will never give you the feedback and comfort of a good steel, ti or even carbon frame. I dream of Calfee's too. And Co-Motions, Maps, AHH's and Black Mountain Monster Cross's. Dreamin' is good! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition
My group contains one woman! On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Oh. Hmm. It'd be nice if some more women would show up. Come on, women! It'll be great. On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Here are the good Shire folk who have RSVP'ed so far, with the volunteers listed first. I have not listed all of the RBW staff who are attending, but rest assured it's a good turnout from headquarters. If your name is not on this list, and you plan on attending, now would be a good time to let me know. And if you're up for volunteering, let me know that too. Volunteer categories include ride leading, cooking, shuttling, campfire song leader, snipe hunter, etc. Anne Paulson Dave Stein Jeremy Till Manny Acosta Jim Edgar Dustin Goodwin Joe Bunik Dan MacNamara Richard Holden Philip Wililamson Tom Virgil Hugh Smitham Tony Almeida Reid (reidplum) Ryan Hankinson Jim Warren Doug P Brian Hanson Curtis McKenzie David (cyclotourist) Aaron Young Roger Hodges Andrew Johnson Esteban Del Rio Christian Olmos Matt Isaacs . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
Bill and Leslie , Yes Yes Yes ! Getting very warm !I've never ridden a mixte, let alone a 60cm one with a nice tall front end . I'd like a bit taller than my 60cm. Bombadil, and with possibly a bit lower trail and even more front-center distance. Longer chainstays possibly also ! As long as the front end can be as stable as my Bomba even with front loads when standing and climbing, I'm in with the TT being gone. If not, I can still live with a TT, but boy, mixte's just have an appealing look to me :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Vittoria Voyager/Hyper Tires . . . . . . Oooh Lah Lah !
I recently put on some Vittoria Voyager/Hyper tires in the 38c size on the Bombadil . . . and oh how sweet and supple the ride !About 50 PSI is where I have them for now and they really glide over all the patch paved and chip/sealed roads around here :) A nice note of singing too on smooth roads . I bought some 35's for my other bike, but am enjoying these too much right now to bother with them :) On Mavic A719 rims they measure 39mm wide . A really nice round profile to them too . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
Bikes like the RLT and others mentioned here make a lot of sense IMHO. I'm doing RAGBRAI in July and on a internet forum I was reading, there was a thread that essentially amounted to people wringing their hands about the fact that a couple of stretches of gravel might occur on the route. I refrained from responding, but my thought was that if they are that worried about gravel, maybe they've got the wrong bike. These road bikes that offer clearance for bigger tires, and are equipped to take fenders (and racks?) don't give up much to a racing bike and are a lot more versatile. I think I'm going to ride my Surly Straggler on RAGBRAI this year and I've done two 100+ mile gravel grinders on it since May. I welcome a stretch or two of gravel! Shaun Meehan On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Bill and Leslie , Yes Yes Yes ! Getting very warm !I've never ridden a mixte, let alone a 60cm one with a nice tall front end . I'd like a bit taller than my 60cm. Bombadil, and with possibly a bit lower trail and even more front-center distance. Longer chainstays possibly also ! As long as the front end can be as stable as my Bomba even with front loads when standing and climbing, I'm in with the TT being gone. If not, I can still live with a TT, but boy, mixte's just have an appealing look to me :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition
Jim and others, Thanks to all who have volunteered to help pull this together. Sorry those of us traveling from afar can not contribute more. Also glad to hear that RBW will be will represented over the weekend. Sincerely, Ryan Hankinson Spring Lake, MI 449456 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
I was once in an aisle of a sports shop and there were two fellows, one advising (the expert friend), one looking to buy high performance clip-in road shoes for his commute. I casually mentioned that flat pedals would work well and he could ride to work in his regular shoes and that had worked well for me. Otherwise a shoe with a recessed cleat would work better than a pure road shoe as sometimes a person needs to dismount. I wasn't trying to take over, just sharing based on several years of experience. I won't be doing that again! My casual opinion was a threat to the expert-friend and he responded as though threatened. The innocent friend now had to take the side of his expert buddy etc. I walked away without getting anymore involved. Anyway - what if I'm wrong? IanA. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:53:41 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: I don't understand the tongue biting. Why not find a moment and say something to the customer, quietly? Just something short and sweet to let them know there are other options? A shop that doesn't lose customers because they don't offer options won't add those options in the future, a shop that has customers say I want something for me, not for you, and then leave, will begin self-examination. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition
There might be two women from my household. Amy on her Betty Foy and Alice (2 years old) on the back of my Bombadil. Dan On Jun 26, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: Oh. Hmm. It'd be nice if some more women would show up. Come on, women! It'll be great. On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Here are the good Shire folk who have RSVP'ed so far, with the volunteers listed first. I have not listed all of the RBW staff who are attending, but rest assured it's a good turnout from headquarters. If your name is not on this list, and you plan on attending, now would be a good time to let me know. And if you're up for volunteering, let me know that too. Volunteer categories include ride leading, cooking, shuttling, campfire song leader, snipe hunter, etc. Anne Paulson Dave Stein Jeremy Till Manny Acosta Jim Edgar Dustin Goodwin Joe Bunik Dan MacNamara Richard Holden Philip Wililamson Tom Virgil Hugh Smitham Tony Almeida Reid (reidplum) Ryan Hankinson Jim Warren Doug P Brian Hanson Curtis McKenzie David (cyclotourist) Aaron Young Roger Hodges Andrew Johnson Esteban Del Rio Christian Olmos Matt Isaacs . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:07:46 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Oh. Hmm. It'd be nice if some more women would show up. Come on, women! It'll be great. I know at least one of the RBW staff attending is a woman, but yeah, more would be better. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
My favorite recent overheard at a bike shop story: I was in the local gigantic bike retailer, where there's a special (large) room for all the carbon bikes. The few times I've been in, that's where all the action is. So, there's this couple there getting the sales job from the young racer salesguy. The couple are very average late 40-somethings not unfit not superfit, and I caught the tail-end of some ...once you get used to it comment, then I heard the gentleman chuckle (not unkindly) and say oh yeah? Are you going to come ride it for her, too? It was pretty funny. I didn't see them leave the store with a bike, though. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:49:53 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their customer's actual needs in mind. As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the conversation he was a new rider. The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were utterly necessary. It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low handlebars, given his round belly. I didn't say a word. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
This reminds me of my local bike shop and the run around they gave me after I discovered that the post-fit riding position they tried to shoehorn me into was causing me pain. The owner of the shop tried to dissuade me against getting Bosco handlebars, because he didn't recommend changing a bunch of parts around and I'd get used to the fit eventually. He completely disregarded all my physical challenges, which left me more dedicated than ever to find a new bike shop. Grr. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:49:53 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their customer's actual needs in mind. As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the conversation he was a new rider. The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were utterly necessary. It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low handlebars, given his round belly. I didn't say a word. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres tires, a review.
I don't have a front load and I had considered going downhill and had added 5psi to account for different on bike positions. On rough steep I tend to use my MTB skills and push my weight far back. I had never considered breaking forces. I think that should be mentioned anytime the Berto Pressure drop charts are mentioned. Maybe I'll bump up the front another 5psi, but I hate to give up that nice cush. I think I used to run 60/60 on 32mm tires. (I only weigh 140lbs) On 6/26/14, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote: Do you ride with a front load? My pressures are optimized for a few pounds directly over the front axle via the handlebar bag. Also Anne's comment about descents is absolutely true-- whether in an aero tuck or feathering the brakes from the drops, with my butt weight lifted off the saddle, during fast descents the weight distribution definitely shifts frontward. Anton ridingthecatskills.com On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:58:00 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote: Why are everybodies F R tire pressures so close? Are you really that centered over the wheels? I recently started running 45/65 psi on Cypress based on a 40%/60% weight distribution and its been a revelation that my front was pumped to hard and my rear not enough. The lower pressure in the front has made my hands much more comfortable and the higher pressure in the rear hasn't been much noticeable in my tush. -Dave On Sunday, June 22, 2014 1:21:47 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: I got back yesterday from Sierra to the Sea, a 586 mile supported bike tour from Lake Tahoe to San Francisco. I used the Grand Bois Cypres tires. I now want to report that they were splendid. We encountered some roads with terrible pavement, as I knew we would since this was my second year on the trip. The tires are marked for 75-95 psi, so I initially tried 80 psi. After a day, I let out some air; around 60 psi ended up working well for me. Others would slow down on the bumpy downhills, but I just zoomed. My buddy with narrow tires was constantly crowing about how great his tires were. When I followed him on some bad stretches of pavement on the flats, I grew tired of his weaving around trying to find a good line, whereas I just rode straight with no trouble. No flats, no problems. I still think that there ought to be a standard way to measure bike tire width, so we can compare tires from different vendors. But these tires (which still measure 30mm wide on my bike) performed admirably. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/thRXdDR5pZ4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS/FT: Assorted Parts
First off, iBOBs excuse the crosspost. Thought this would be Riv-related as I'm raising money for parts to Riv out my gf's Univega Sportour mixte. Also looking for parts in trade: 41/42cm Noodles 8cm 26.0 quill stem Shimano Road Brake Levers Stuff I have for sale or trade: Wald 867 Handlebar Setup - Wald 867 bars - poor man's Bosco, Shimano Tiagra brake levers, 140mm Trek steel threadless stem, VO threadless-quill adapter, cork grips, gray shellacked cloth tape around bends (used the threadless stem as I needed long, long reach for a short tt frame) cork grips aren't glued on, just a layer of cloth tape underneath keeps them in place, can be removed without too much issue - $35 plus actual shipping (prefer to sell the whole setup, but can part out if you don't need everything) Specialized Hardrock Frameset - 22 frame, early version with canti mounts front and rear, F/F/HS/BB - $40 plus actual shipping Velo Orange 100mm Threadless Stem - New, -/+ 10 degrees, mounted bars on them, but never actually ridden, 26.0mm - $18 shipped Cane Creek Road Brake Levers - got this off this list, didn't look right with VO Parallel drop bars, gum hoods,some scratches on one lever - $25 shipped Tektro 365 Long, Long Reach Brake - rear, recessed, used - $15 shipped Soma B-Line 650b Tire - inadvertently ran wheel crooked, started wearing into sidewall, booted with couple layers ofTyvek envelope and rubber cement on the outside, good for a backup - $12 shipped SR Crankset - silver, 144bcd, with 52 42 chainrings and bolts - $30 shipped Yellow Waxed Canvas Tubular Bag/Wedge - I make these, modeled after discontinued Acorn roll top tubular bag - $30 shipped Forest Green Waxed Canvas Tubular Bag/Wedge - $30 shipped Info on bags here: treetop.bigcartel.com I've been pretty lazy on photographing parts recently, but can take photos on anything you'd like Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
Yeah, the expert friend as the second person really changes the dynamic over a pushy salesman, doesn't it? I agree with you, Ian, that walking away there is the right call. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
It's the Shoprat Wishlist. The salesman pressures the customer into what he himself wishes he could afford - barely used and at second hand prices - and voila! at some point down the road, gear is showing up back at the shop or on Craigslist for his ilk to get on the cheap. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:37:26 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: I am reminded of hanging out at a LBS one Sunday afternoon and watching a young sales person try to sell a full suspension mountain bike to a middle age women buying her first bike and wanting something for bike paths and Vt's many dirt roads! I had to bite my tongue. Michael On Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:49:53 AM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their customer's actual needs in mind. As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the conversation he was a new rider. The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were utterly necessary. It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low handlebars, given his round belly. I didn't say a word. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition
Totally bummed to be missing the RBW anniversary ride, have to be in Baltimore for a wedding, have fun y'all!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:07:46 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: Oh. Hmm. It'd be nice if some more women would show up. Come on, women! It'll be great. I know at least one of the RBW staff attending is a woman, but yeah, more would be better. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
Was the boat inspired by the wrecked ship https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/10004657443/in/set-72157636020407325 up in Tomales Bay? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
I remember when Grant's book Just Ride was published. I asked our library to buy a copy. I figured I could get more people to read it that way. So the library bought a copy. Then they bought more. Today there are 13 copies in our system, plus a license to provide electronic downloads. Obviously, the book has legs. :-) When you are in a situation like that: where some gear-head in the LBS is trying to sell his vision, just casually mention Grant's book. Mention how practical it is. Mention how helpful it is for decision-making. Fat older men and carbon bikes do not make a lick of sense. Full disclosure: never met Grant, never talked to Grant, do not like 2x top tube bikes, but do like the book. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:49:53 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: On my recent Sierra to the Sea tour, I stopped off at a bike shop that catered to the more racey crowd. It appeared to sell only carbon fiber bikes. And I think maybe the employees were not always keeping their customer's actual needs in mind. As I was waiting for a riding companion to get his issue dealt with, I listened to a young, fit employee who was apparently selling one of those carbon bikes to an older guy, maybe in his 50s. The customer was a tall fellow with a substantial beer keg of a belly, and judging by the conversation he was a new rider. The employee was earnestly telling him that he really needed to use padded bike shorts, and they had to be tight. The employee further explained that the only bike shorts that were truly appropriate were bib shorts, and the bib shorts should be so tight that it would be uncomfortable to stand upright in them, but that would be all right because with the low handlebars and the low riding position, the bibs would work. The bike shop guy's attitude about the bibs was about the same as my and your attitude about, say, carrying a patch kit when riding: they were utterly necessary. It was unclear to me how the rider would be able to ride those low handlebars, given his round belly. I didn't say a word. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
Roger, There is a derelict shrimp boat at China Beach that is an exact match. You can see it in the photos of this article: http://www.sfgate.com/outdoors/article/Budget-woes-ease-for-state-local-parks-5261031.php#photo-3132986 With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:17:52 PM UTC-6, Roger wrote: Was the boat inspired by the wrecked ship https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/10004657443/in/set-72157636020407325 up in Tomales Bay? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
I like the Straggler a lot. I wish it had a sloping TT. The rear dropouts are really clever for singlespeed versatility, but I'd prefer a normal vertical dropout. Even with those gripes, it's on the list and I like the pink. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:32:51 AM UTC-7, meehan...@gmail.com wrote: Bikes like the RLT and others mentioned here make a lot of sense IMHO. I'm doing RAGBRAI in July and on a internet forum I was reading, there was a thread that essentially amounted to people wringing their hands about the fact that a couple of stretches of gravel might occur on the route. I refrained from responding, but my thought was that if they are that worried about gravel, maybe they've got the wrong bike. These road bikes that offer clearance for bigger tires, and are equipped to take fenders (and racks?) don't give up much to a racing bike and are a lot more versatile. I think I'm going to ride my Surly Straggler on RAGBRAI this year and I've done two 100+ mile gravel grinders on it since May. I welcome a stretch or two of gravel! Shaun Meehan On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Garth gart...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Bill and Leslie , Yes Yes Yes ! Getting very warm !I've never ridden a mixte, let alone a 60cm one with a nice tall front end . I'd like a bit taller than my 60cm. Bombadil, and with possibly a bit lower trail and even more front-center distance. Longer chainstays possibly also ! As long as the front end can be as stable as my Bomba even with front loads when standing and climbing, I'm in with the TT being gone. If not, I can still live with a TT, but boy, mixte's just have an appealing look to me :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] chain line
On 06/26/2014 10:16 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: Jay -- chainline is no more important for a 1X1 than for a 3xN. With modern flexible chains and long chainstays, a cm either way is of little consequence. Well, except that with a triple you have a front derailleur to help keep the chain from derailing off the chain ring; with a 1x you do not. You can help ameliorate the tendency for 1x to throw the chain by changing to old style tooth profile chain rings, but that tendency is always there lurking. The original AM-7 Moulton was a 1x, and some bikes had such a tendency to throw the chain particularly on rough road surfaces that they described their bikes as being possessed by the Devil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
Well...if I won the lottery ,making me wealthy enough to retire and take care of family and do something philanthropic etcmaybe A Cervelo(Designed by Canadians)road bike and then I can blend in with all of those well-to-do folks who ride Cervelos. Actually, CF and all, I think they're quite aesthetically pleasing and a couple of people I've talked to really enjoy them...at least ...I hope they really do enjoy them and aren't just talking themselves into that state of mind because they've invested 5 figures in the bike. Probably a moot point , though, because I'm pretty happy with what I have. I do enjoy looking at and talking about what other people have, too. Another more real-world choice would be a fat bike.Some Surly model perhaps...I think the latest is the Ice-cream truck.Those Surly people do some great work and don't take themselves too seriously. They haven't forgotten that a bike should be , above all else,fun On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:58:48 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Most (all?) of us have a strong affinity for steel bikes. Many of us like various classic or retro properties: lugs, friction dt shifters, fewer than 11 cogs, etc. Several of us really enjoy doing builds on classic bikes from the 70s/80s/90s etc. Many of us lament that nothing new or contemporary speaks to us at all. But many others of us do have openings in the stable for things that are decidedly new. Some of us run fatbikes. A few of us maybe has a Gates beltbike, or a newfangled folder, or a dual-suspension 29er. Some of us even have a carbon bike. My stable is now at 9 bikes all steel, but I'll admit that I'm pretty darned infatuated with this bike: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerCompleteBuilds/Complete_bike_images/RLT+9/RLT9_Force_4star.jpg A sloping TT road bike, with more BB drop than a cyclocross bike. 135mm rear end, disc brakes. Very smart front facing fork tips and normal wheel axles. Takes 29x1.75 tires without fenders, and would easily run 700x38 tires (tubeless) with fenders. Has all the integrated fender mount points. Has a PF30 BB that makes it easy to set it up as a singlespeed. Add to that I can get the frame/fork/headset from Jenson for $1050 and get a free $250 gift card for my next purchase(s). So it's an $800 frameset. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything not to like. Five years ago, when we whined that modern bikes were designed too much for pure road racers, this is the kind of thoroughly modern real-world bike I thought was missing. I have bikes that are setup to carry loads well. For mixed terrain stuff that I'd do unloaded, this bike would definitely get ridden. I imagine it would be incredibly fun Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Vittoria Voyager/Hyper Tires . . . . . . Oooh Lah Lah !
I have a set of these and of the Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and think they are VERY similar. So similar they could be re-labeled at the factory. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I recently put on some Vittoria Voyager/Hyper tires in the 38c size on the Bombadil . . . and oh how sweet and supple the ride !About 50 PSI is where I have them for now and they really glide over all the patch paved and chip/sealed roads around here :) A nice note of singing too on smooth roads . I bought some 35's for my other bike, but am enjoying these too much right now to bother with them :) On Mavic A719 rims they measure 39mm wide . A really nice round profile to them too . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Post Office Drama
Hey everyone, its me again. I went to the post office with my car loaded up full of goodies, was waiting on line and then proceeded to refund my lunch all over the place. I guess I am not yet feeling good enough. I had to make a hasty exit before it got all Stand by Me in there. Tomorrow my mom and wife will be doing the post office run since I am going to the urgent care in the morning if I don't feel better. I don't have the money for an ER visit, unfortunately. I have yet more stuff for sale, see accompanying email. If stuff doesn't get shipped out tomorrow yall have the right to send me threating where is my stuff messages on paypal. Thanks again for everyone's understanding. I owe the universe back on this one I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
I tried. I kept waiting for an opportunity to speak to her out of earshot of the staff, but it never materialized. Michael On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:53:41 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I don't understand the tongue biting. Why not find a moment and say something to the customer, quietly? Just something short and sweet to let them know there are other options? A shop that doesn't lose customers because they don't offer options won't add those options in the future, a shop that has customers say I want something for me, not for you, and then leave, will begin self-examination. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS Carsick Panniers, ETC.
Hey all I have yet more stuff for sale and my wife and mom said to try and make it one big trip tomorrow to the post office. FS is the amazing Carsick Panniers Ron sold me. I mounted them up, took one ride and realized I don't like panniers, they made me feel too wide riding in traffic. They are in brand new shape, used 3-4 times by ron and once by me, no stains, comes with shoulder straps, beautiful. Selling for what I paid $200 shipped OBO. http://www.carsickdesigns.com/collections/panniers/products/waxed-canvas-pannier-set-gray-with-black I also still have the DLG poster in box, I hate to see it just doing nothing for years, $25 shipped. and the pink jagwire set, $30 shipped for a whole bike (MTB cables). I also have a 26 Phil Wood front wheel, nice and smooth, $65 shipped. All proceeds go towards my kids summer camp fund, oh how expensive it is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
I have told more than one person to check out the book, and everyone who has comes away with at least some amount of perspective they didn't have. I don't think there is anything life altering in the book but the fact that someone is sticking their neck out and saying it makes a big difference. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Ryan ryter...@mts.net wrote: Well...if I won the lottery ,making me wealthy enough to retire and take care of family and do something philanthropic etcmaybe A Cervelo(Designed by Canadians)road bike and then I can blend in with all of those well-to-do folks who ride Cervelos. Actually, CF and all, I think they're quite aesthetically pleasing and a couple of people I've talked to really enjoy them...at least ...I hope they really do enjoy them and aren't just talking themselves into that state of mind because they've invested 5 figures in the bike. Probably a moot point , though, because I'm pretty happy with what I have. I do enjoy looking at and talking about what other people have, too. Another more real-world choice would be a fat bike.Some Surly model perhaps...I think the latest is the Ice-cream truck.Those Surly people do some great work and don't take themselves too seriously. They haven't forgotten that a bike should be , above all else,fun On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:58:48 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Most (all?) of us have a strong affinity for steel bikes. Many of us like various classic or retro properties: lugs, friction dt shifters, fewer than 11 cogs, etc. Several of us really enjoy doing builds on classic bikes from the 70s/80s/90s etc. Many of us lament that nothing new or contemporary speaks to us at all. But many others of us do have openings in the stable for things that are decidedly new. Some of us run fatbikes. A few of us maybe has a Gates beltbike, or a newfangled folder, or a dual-suspension 29er. Some of us even have a carbon bike. My stable is now at 9 bikes all steel, but I'll admit that I'm pretty darned infatuated with this bike: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerCompleteBuilds/Complete_bike_images/RLT+9/RLT9_Force_4star.jpg A sloping TT road bike, with more BB drop than a cyclocross bike. 135mm rear end, disc brakes. Very smart front facing fork tips and normal wheel axles. Takes 29x1.75 tires without fenders, and would easily run 700x38 tires (tubeless) with fenders. Has all the integrated fender mount points. Has a PF30 BB that makes it easy to set it up as a singlespeed. Add to that I can get the frame/fork/headset from Jenson for $1050 and get a free $250 gift card for my next purchase(s). So it's an $800 frameset. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything not to like. Five years ago, when we whined that modern bikes were designed too much for pure road racers, this is the kind of thoroughly modern real-world bike I thought was missing. I have bikes that are setup to carry loads well. For mixed terrain stuff that I'd do unloaded, this bike would definitely get ridden. I imagine it would be incredibly fun Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
Wrong thread, I should get more rest... On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: I have told more than one person to check out the book, and everyone who has comes away with at least some amount of perspective they didn't have. I don't think there is anything life altering in the book but the fact that someone is sticking their neck out and saying it makes a big difference. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Ryan ryter...@mts.net wrote: Well...if I won the lottery ,making me wealthy enough to retire and take care of family and do something philanthropic etcmaybe A Cervelo(Designed by Canadians)road bike and then I can blend in with all of those well-to-do folks who ride Cervelos. Actually, CF and all, I think they're quite aesthetically pleasing and a couple of people I've talked to really enjoy them...at least ...I hope they really do enjoy them and aren't just talking themselves into that state of mind because they've invested 5 figures in the bike. Probably a moot point , though, because I'm pretty happy with what I have. I do enjoy looking at and talking about what other people have, too. Another more real-world choice would be a fat bike.Some Surly model perhaps...I think the latest is the Ice-cream truck.Those Surly people do some great work and don't take themselves too seriously. They haven't forgotten that a bike should be , above all else,fun On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:58:48 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Most (all?) of us have a strong affinity for steel bikes. Many of us like various classic or retro properties: lugs, friction dt shifters, fewer than 11 cogs, etc. Several of us really enjoy doing builds on classic bikes from the 70s/80s/90s etc. Many of us lament that nothing new or contemporary speaks to us at all. But many others of us do have openings in the stable for things that are decidedly new. Some of us run fatbikes. A few of us maybe has a Gates beltbike, or a newfangled folder, or a dual-suspension 29er. Some of us even have a carbon bike. My stable is now at 9 bikes all steel, but I'll admit that I'm pretty darned infatuated with this bike: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerCompleteBuilds/Complete_bike_images/RLT+9/RLT9_Force_4star.jpg A sloping TT road bike, with more BB drop than a cyclocross bike. 135mm rear end, disc brakes. Very smart front facing fork tips and normal wheel axles. Takes 29x1.75 tires without fenders, and would easily run 700x38 tires (tubeless) with fenders. Has all the integrated fender mount points. Has a PF30 BB that makes it easy to set it up as a singlespeed. Add to that I can get the frame/fork/headset from Jenson for $1050 and get a free $250 gift card for my next purchase(s). So it's an $800 frameset. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything not to like. Five years ago, when we whined that modern bikes were designed too much for pure road racers, this is the kind of thoroughly modern real-world bike I thought was missing. I have bikes that are setup to carry loads well. For mixed terrain stuff that I'd do unloaded, this bike would definitely get ridden. I imagine it would be incredibly fun Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
I'm with the others who said that rivendell or surly etc. steel bikes are fully modern. On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:58:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: Most (all?) of us have a strong affinity for steel bikes. Many of us like various classic or retro properties: lugs, friction dt shifters, fewer than 11 cogs, etc. Several of us really enjoy doing builds on classic bikes from the 70s/80s/90s etc. Many of us lament that nothing new or contemporary speaks to us at all. But many others of us do have openings in the stable for things that are decidedly new. Some of us run fatbikes. A few of us maybe has a Gates beltbike, or a newfangled folder, or a dual-suspension 29er. Some of us even have a carbon bike. My stable is now at 9 bikes all steel, but I'll admit that I'm pretty darned infatuated with this bike: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerCompleteBuilds/Complete_bike_images/RLT+9/RLT9_Force_4star.jpg A sloping TT road bike, with more BB drop than a cyclocross bike. 135mm rear end, disc brakes. Very smart front facing fork tips and normal wheel axles. Takes 29x1.75 tires without fenders, and would easily run 700x38 tires (tubeless) with fenders. Has all the integrated fender mount points. Has a PF30 BB that makes it easy to set it up as a singlespeed. Add to that I can get the frame/fork/headset from Jenson for $1050 and get a free $250 gift card for my next purchase(s). So it's an $800 frameset. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything not to like. Five years ago, when we whined that modern bikes were designed too much for pure road racers, this is the kind of thoroughly modern real-world bike I thought was missing. I have bikes that are setup to carry loads well. For mixed terrain stuff that I'd do unloaded, this bike would definitely get ridden. I imagine it would be incredibly fun Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
Yeah, these are bikes that have been refined by engineers and craftsmen in this day and age. They represent decades of work and I would think of them as modern I mean my Bombadil was made in 2010! On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Matt Beebe matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I'm with the others who said that rivendell or surly etc. steel bikes are fully modern. On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:58:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: Most (all?) of us have a strong affinity for steel bikes. Many of us like various classic or retro properties: lugs, friction dt shifters, fewer than 11 cogs, etc. Several of us really enjoy doing builds on classic bikes from the 70s/80s/90s etc. Many of us lament that nothing new or contemporary speaks to us at all. But many others of us do have openings in the stable for things that are decidedly new. Some of us run fatbikes. A few of us maybe has a Gates beltbike, or a newfangled folder, or a dual-suspension 29er. Some of us even have a carbon bike. My stable is now at 9 bikes all steel, but I'll admit that I'm pretty darned infatuated with this bike: https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerCompleteBuilds/Complete_bike_images/RLT+9/RLT9_Force_4star.jpg A sloping TT road bike, with more BB drop than a cyclocross bike. 135mm rear end, disc brakes. Very smart front facing fork tips and normal wheel axles. Takes 29x1.75 tires without fenders, and would easily run 700x38 tires (tubeless) with fenders. Has all the integrated fender mount points. Has a PF30 BB that makes it easy to set it up as a singlespeed. Add to that I can get the frame/fork/headset from Jenson for $1050 and get a free $250 gift card for my next purchase(s). So it's an $800 frameset. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything not to like. Five years ago, when we whined that modern bikes were designed too much for pure road racers, this is the kind of thoroughly modern real-world bike I thought was missing. I have bikes that are setup to carry loads well. For mixed terrain stuff that I'd do unloaded, this bike would definitely get ridden. I imagine it would be incredibly fun Are there any thoroughly modern bikes that tempt you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to go out and buy a fully modern contemporary bike, what would it be?
On 06/26/2014 06:17 PM, Matt Beebe wrote: I'm with the others who said that rivendell or surly etc. steel bikes are fully modern. While I do not disagree with you, I think someone should point out this is probably not what the OP had in mind. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr?
Cheap Bike Parts The late Clem Smith parked his bike overnight in downtown Baltimore for years and naturally had each and every part of his nice bikes ripped off. He always recommended no-bs stuff for us to sell for his cheap bike. It's good stuff, but not so precious you don't mind it getting robbed. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:34:44 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: Did I miss something? Or is this blug post a tease? Another mythical character name for a bike, I'm guessing. Anyone know anything they can share? I chuckled at the comment about it resembling a manhole cover. The design looked familiar. dougP -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
I know what you mean, and it's depressing for many of us almost self-destructively try to support our LBS and then see the LBS do a disservice to their clientele. When I was working the floor, I really thought is was as simple as this: Which rider are you, or do you want to be? http://travellingtwo.com/gallery2/d/38668-2/nor030.jpg http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/female-mountain-bike-rider-21235264.jpg http://www.biokineticspt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/woman-bicycle-commute.png http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2012/10/4/1349359457680/Woman-on-bike-carrying-br-008.jpg http://aceso71.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/pi-woman-cycling-winter-12.jpg?w=364 Let the customer point at the one that looks fun to them, and then start showing them bikes. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:28:14 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: The gearing is fine once you get in shape is my pet peeve. New riders ought to buy a bike for their real selves, not their fantasy selves. This guy was a Clydesdale. He should have been sold a bike appropriate for him-- but I didn't see any such bikes in this shop. Oddly, a door away was a bike shop that catered to a more diverse group of riders. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
It's the shrimp boat. Philip On Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:38:35 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Roger, There is a derelict shrimp boat at China Beach that is an exact match. You can see it in the photos of this article: http://www.sfgate.com/outdoors/article/Budget-woes-ease-for-state-local-parks-5261031.php#photo-3132986 With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:17:52 PM UTC-6, Roger wrote: Was the boat inspired by the wrecked ship https://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/10004657443/in/set-72157636020407325 up in Tomales Bay? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Post Office Drama
Oh, Peter. That sounds dreadful. I hope you're feeling more like yourself soon. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:04:06 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Hey everyone, its me again. I went to the post office with my car loaded up full of goodies, was waiting on line and then proceeded to refund my lunch all over the place. I guess I am not yet feeling good enough. I had to make a hasty exit before it got all Stand by Me in there. Tomorrow my mom and wife will be doing the post office run since I am going to the urgent care in the morning if I don't feel better. I don't have the money for an ER visit, unfortunately. I have yet more stuff for sale, see accompanying email. If stuff doesn't get shipped out tomorrow yall have the right to send me threating where is my stuff messages on paypal. Thanks again for everyone's understanding. I owe the universe back on this one I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Nitto - Tallux stem + Albatross bars
Nitto Tallux stem -120cm (25.4 clamp) and Nitto Albatross bars (aluminum, the wider ones). Recently purchased from Rivendell. The stem was $73 and the bars were $88. Very gently used, with some adhesive junk where the grips were. Also including 25.4 to 26.0 stem just in case you need such a thing. $135 shipped (PayPal okay as long as fees are covered) img src=http://s14.postimg.org/59so7jts1/IMG_9740.jpg; alt= / img src=http://s14.postimg.org/e63gbhke9/IMG_9741.jpg; alt= / img src=http://s14.postimg.org/e63gbhke9/IMG_9741.jpg; alt= / -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Nitto - Tallux stem + Albatross bars
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[RBW] Re: Nitto - Tallux stem + Albatross bars
Also, the bars have scuffing around clamp from attempting to mount a 26.0 stem with use with the shim. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
it's kinda nice at my LBS... if someone walks in asking about carbon bikes, everyone would look at each other and chuckle. Every bike is steel (I think), there are a mixed assortment of new Surly's and Salsa, some Soulcrafts and a large number of vintage lugged steel bikes. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Post Office Drama
I've never had vomiting with strep. That sounds hellish. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres tires, a review.
I think that's over complicating things. It's just a guideline. If you end up with 25% tire drop instead of the ideal 15%, under hard braking on a rough downhill... Who cares? Your tires are now compressing more than the ideal theoretical amount to give you the lowest rolling resistance, but you are BRAKING. You are resisting your forward momentum already, on purpose. If you roll a tire, or get a pinch flat, it's NOT because you slavishly followed the chart recommendations. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] One reason I love my Sam Hillborne
I am probably more of a Strava user than most of you on the board. There is a big wannabe-racer character in me. That said, almost 2 years ago I sold my 23mm road bike and the Sam Hillborne became my only roadish bike. Most of my rides get logged on Strava so I generally know where I am performance-wise. This morning I put a really hard effort http://www.strava.com/activities/158623274 in on the local road climb with the Hillborne. It's roughly a 43 minute climb for me. I came roughly 1:15 slower than my personal record http://www.strava.com/activities/23765457#3643957048, which I had made on a modern road racer clipped in, clad in spandex, heart rate monitor et al. That's about *3%* slower riding in a t-shirt, casual shorts, sneakers, equipped with dyno lighting, kickstand and Sackville bar bag. No doubt the Hillborne is a beast compared to the sub 9kg road bike http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/BikeSpecs.aspx?year=2007brand=Feltmodel=F55 I sold. It offers comfort of another caliber of course - but that's another story. *3% slower up a 700m climb, riding both bikes at fast-as-possible effort.* I think that's a remarkably small penalty to be on such a stately machine! I really, really love my Rivendell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop
Heya Mike, Would you be talking Chuck Hoefer at Pacific Coast Cycles? Chuck built my no holds barred Salsa Motoman in 1986. I still have it. I still ride it. With the exception of the wretched U-brakes, it is a state of the art bicycle today. Timeless. In those days, the shop was on Elm Street (the REAL NAME OF THAT STREET, not Carlsbad by the whatever Drive, thank you Chamber of Commerce) in Carlsbad. In the mid nineties, I migrated to Del Mar, and, over time, we lost touch. I have nothing but good memories of working with Chuck on the build, and equipment thereafter. I have the feeling I owe him a visit before any life events happen. Riding the Salsa, of course. Best regards, Tom On Topic: I feel sorry for that customer Anne encountered in the bike shop. He will probably never just jump on his bike in his board shorts or Musas and ride around his hood. Maybe, just maybe, he will find Just Ride. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:11:42 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: it's kinda nice at my LBS... if someone walks in asking about carbon bikes, everyone would look at each other and chuckle. Every bike is steel (I think), there are a mixed assortment of new Surly's and Salsa, some Soulcrafts and a large number of vintage lugged steel bikes. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] One reason I love my Sam Hillborne
Calculate the power, and the Riv will win. No penalty. Basically multiply weight by hill height and divide by time. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Paul Y paulyeoh...@gmail.com wrote: I am probably more of a Strava user than most of you on the board. There is a big wannabe-racer character in me. That said, almost 2 years ago I sold my 23mm road bike and the Sam Hillborne became my only roadish bike. Most of my rides get logged on Strava so I generally know where I am performance-wise. This morning I put a really hard effort in on the local road climb with the Hillborne. It's roughly a 43 minute climb for me. I came roughly 1:15 slower than my personal record, which I had made on a modern road racer clipped in, clad in spandex, heart rate monitor et al. That's about 3% slower riding in a t-shirt, casual shorts, sneakers, equipped with dyno lighting, kickstand and Sackville bar bag. No doubt the Hillborne is a beast compared to the sub 9kg road bike I sold. It offers comfort of another caliber of course - but that's another story. 3% slower up a 700m climb, riding both bikes at fast-as-possible effort. I think that's a remarkably small penalty to be on such a stately machine! I really, really love my Rivendell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS Carsick Panniers, ETC.
Ok, Poster, Wheel and Cables are sold. Price drop to $175 on the Panniers, they are Patrick Moore approved, two huge gaping maws that can swallow loads of stuff. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all I have yet more stuff for sale and my wife and mom said to try and make it one big trip tomorrow to the post office. FS is the amazing Carsick Panniers Ron sold me. I mounted them up, took one ride and realized I don't like panniers, they made me feel too wide riding in traffic. They are in brand new shape, used 3-4 times by ron and once by me, no stains, comes with shoulder straps, beautiful. Selling for what I paid $200 shipped OBO. http://www.carsickdesigns.com/collections/panniers/products/waxed-canvas-pannier-set-gray-with-black I also still have the DLG poster in box, I hate to see it just doing nothing for years, $25 shipped. and the pink jagwire set, $30 shipped for a whole bike (MTB cables). I also have a 26 Phil Wood front wheel, nice and smooth, $65 shipped. All proceeds go towards my kids summer camp fund, oh how expensive it is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
