[RBW] Re: Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[lum gim fong]

Thanks for the info!
Looks like Universal is a good  place and price.

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[RBW] Mustache/ Albastache on a clem

[Philip Williamson]

I don't understand how the steering would be screwed up by trading stem length 
for bar reach. 

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[Jonathan D.]

I have bought one off amazon warehouse deals. Universal bikes has always 
treated me well.  

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[RBW] Shipping Bosco Bullmoose Bars

[Jim S.]

Hi, I was going to sell a set of these, but holy dynamite, it's hard to 
find a box that fits them, and it looks like $40 to ship. Has anyone fever 
found an economical way to ship these things?

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Re: [RBW] FS: 59 cm 1993 XO-3 & Hunq fork & cliffhangers

[Michael Morrissey]

Is the fork for 26"? Would you sell it separately?

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[ted]

AHH top tube is near horizontal, SH top tube slopes up.
AHH is significantly more expensive. Grant has written that they are 
functionally equivalent.
If your in Santa Clara run up to Walnut Creek and check them out at RBW WHQ. 
Well worth the trip.

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

[Joe Bernard]

What was up with the Alex rims? I just got a Clem L with them so I'm curious. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

[Dan McNamara]

I have a set of Deore v-brakes that will are available. I believe I have a set 
of Shimano v-brake levers as well. I'll check the parts bin and let you know 
tomorrow. 

Dan

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 3:12 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> +1 on the Atlas recommendation. Due to issues with my Clementine's stock Alex 
> wheelset, I upgraded to Riv's Atlas/Velocity. About a week later I hit a 
> pothole at night at speed and the rear rim got toasted. But I was able to get 
> home on it and if it were something not as robust, the situation could have 
> been worse. It's a good looking wheelset, and unless you are racing or do a 
> lot of Strava uphill challenges, they make a lot of sense for a Mt. Bubbe.  
> 
>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:17:29 PM UTC-4, adam leibow wrote:
>> Paul, I would go with the Atlas rims. They might be overkill, but they 
>> aren't crazy heavy or anything, just good, confidence-inspiring, rim-brake 
>> mountain touring rims. I have a set of A23's on my cross bike and I wish 
>> they were wider. My friend destroyed a pair of A23's, just be better safe 
>> than sorry. The wider rim is better for a wider tire, anyways. 
>> 
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:30:29 AM UTC-7, Paul Clifton wrote:
>>> I'm one of the folks anxiously anticipating the arrival of an MTBubbe 
>>> frame. Long time Rivbike listener, first time Rivbike owner here.
>>> 
>>> Wheels - Has anyone used the Velocity built Atlas wheels offered by Riv? 
>>> They seem like a really good option for a very reasonable price, but Atlas 
>>> rims may be overkill for me. Any thoughts? The A23s seem narrow but are 
>>> probably plenty strong. I'd try Pacenti Brevets or Forza's.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions for wide rim brake 650b rims that are between A23 and 
>>> Atlas? What about a source for an A23 wheelset with a dynamo?
>>> 
>>> I'm going to call a few shops today and see what I can get locally.
>>> 
>>> WTB
>>> For the bike, I've got a pretty solid bar ends and Albatross build planned, 
>>> but I need some parts to finish it off. I can buy a lot of this stuff new, 
>>> but I thought someone on the list might be interested in selling me some 
>>> used parts:
>>> Front and rear deraillers - Deore or similiar (8 or 9 speed)
>>> I'm also interested in a more road oriented set. I can pull the Deore's off 
>>> my Boulder, but I'd want the RD to clear a 32.
>>> V brakes and levers - Deore, XT, or Avid, or others
>>> 24 tooth chainring (74 bcd, pretty sure, and chainring bolts)
>>> Seatpost - 26.8 (two bolts if I'm lucky)
>>> Wheelset - 650b
>>> Tires - 650b between 42 and 50 mm wide. Not picky at the moment, but 
>>> definitely not any super light things that get punctured by glass and 
>>> thorns and wires. My neighborhood is not well-kept.
>>> I just prefer used parts if I can get them, so let me know what you're 
>>> trying to get rid of.
>>> 
>>> Maybe I'll get lucky at the co-op...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Crankset For Trade
>>> 
>>> Shimano Deore XT FC-M730 with 175mm arms. I'd like to trade for something 
>>> with similar looking arms (Sugino maybe) with 172.5 length. The crank is 
>>> WELL USED (lots of scuffs and scratches) so I'll don't be shy about your 
>>> offers. If there's no takers, I'll just ride 175s.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I had a bunch of this stuff in my bin, but I've been building bikes for 
>>> friends and family all spring and summer, and it's kinda wiped me out. For 
>>> example, two old cranksets and all my spare chainrings and a bunch of old 
>>> shimano deraillers are now being ridden! So now I have to rebuild my stash. 
>>> So I'm not picky. I just want to get my new bike rolling!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Paul in ATL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[Christopher Murray]

I think this is a pretty special bike and probably worth the asking price. How 
long it would take to sell at that price is anyone's guess but I think it would 
eventually sell. I can't imagine sellling it for less than $3500 if it was 
mine. We are talking about Richard Sachs... THE Richard Sachs. 

Hopefully someone buys it and rides the heck out of it. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Deacon Patrick]

Sam. The riding you just described is what the Sam is made for. AHH is more 
a zippy road bike designed for dirt roads too. Could you do all you 
describe on either? Yup. However, if both were available and price was no 
object, you'd still want the Sam for the riding you describe. Added bonus: 
it's available and costs less.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 7:39:25 PM UTC-6, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or AHH. 
> This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring and 
> some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>
> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>
> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
> appreciated. 
>
> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
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[RBW] Re: Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[Paul Choi]

Try Tree Fort Bikes online, they are based in MI. They will price match any 
legit deal online and ship free over $125. I just got a C19 from them for 
$129. Not sure if it is OK to post that price on this forum. My first post 
here. Sorry if this is not OK. 

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 5:29:13 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Rivsite is limited in Brooks saddle types. Was wondering where a good 
> place to shop for Imperial Flyer Brooks saddles is?
>
> Where do you look when RBW doesn't have it?
>

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Paul Choi]

I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or AHH. 
This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring and 
some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 

Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?

For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
appreciated. 

Paul in Santa Clara, CA.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Rosco Road

[wesley]

If all goes well, this will soon be mine! I was leaning towards a Clem of 
some sort, but this was too good a deal to pass up. :-)

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[RBW] Re: Stem/ bars/wheels/brakes for sale

[lum gim fong]

Bars no longer available.

Just the 8cm pearl stem and synergy wheel remains!

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[RBW] Re: New Medium Saddlesack (Blue)

[John Hawrylak]

I use the Nitto Wire Guard with a Carradice type bag with cantilevers.  It 
keeps the front bottom of th bag off the rear brake cable.  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the information!  

Would you mind posting a pic of your Appaloosa with the bullmoose bar, if 
you get a chance?  I bought my 830 as a frameset so it doesn't have it's 
original bar and Riv's version wouldn't give me enough rise.  The Bullmoose 
would be my first choice for the Appaloosa.   


 

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Chris:
>
> Thanks for watching my YouTube video. Get the Appaloosa. The Hunq and the 
> Appaloosa are very similar.
>
> My Appaloosa and Trek 830 are pretty similar too. The biggest difference 
> is fork. My Trek has an ordinary fork - the OG fork was bent. The 
> Appaloosa's slender fork makes for a better ride. Also the bottom bracket 
> drop (78mm on Appaloosa) makes for a better handling ride. The Riv is way 
> lighter than the Trek. 
>
> The best analogy I can think of is that the old Trek 830 is like finding a 
> stylish suit at the thrift store, one that looks really cool and feels 
> good, but the Appaloosa is like getting a new suit tailored to fit you, and 
> it looks cool, feels good, and fits amazing. 
>
> I just changed the bars on the Appaloosa to the Riv Bullmoose. Third set 
> of bars and still tinkering. 
>
> M
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Michael Morrissey]

Chris:

Thanks for watching my YouTube video. Get the Appaloosa. The Hunq and the 
Appaloosa are very similar.

My Appaloosa and Trek 830 are pretty similar too. The biggest difference is 
fork. My Trek has an ordinary fork - the OG fork was bent. The Appaloosa's 
slender fork makes for a better ride. Also the bottom bracket drop (78mm on 
Appaloosa) makes for a better handling ride. The Riv is way lighter than the 
Trek. 

The best analogy I can think of is that the old Trek 830 is like finding a 
stylish suit at the thrift store, one that looks really cool and feels good, 
but the Appaloosa is like getting a new suit tailored to fit you, and it looks 
cool, feels good, and fits amazing. 

I just changed the bars on the Appaloosa to the Riv Bullmoose. Third set of 
bars and still tinkering. 

M

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[RBW] Re: Mustache/ Albastache on a clem

[Davey Two Shoes]

I'm thinking I might be able to do it. I'm 5'10 on a 52 and mostly torso. I 
think my torso would do better on a 59 but theres no way it would set up 
properly. Just kicking some ideas around. The bike is so fun to change 
around. Very versatile and has seen like 4 configurations already.

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Michael Morrissey]

Good guesses but wrong!

It's Astoria Park and the local bike shop is Nomad Cycles. I like 718c a lot 
but actively try to avoid it because I always fall in love with whatever bikes 
they have and come dangerously close to buying myself another bike when I go 
there. I already have 3 bikes in my tiny apartment. I had a wheel built for my 
bike there and the service was top notch. 

Michael

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[RBW] Re: 59 vs. 52 Clem L

[Ryan Fleming]

late to the party but in a fairly recent blug Dave mantioned that Atlanti, 
Hunqs ,and HH's wait times were almost longer than customs. I suspect the 
fact that True Temper is no longer manufacturing frame tubing is a 
contributing factor and Riv/Waterford is sourcing frame tubing 
elsewhere...offhand I can't think of another US frame tube manufacturer, 
but someone on this list may know otherwise

I guess if you want something you gotta jump on it

A. Homer Hilsen, Atlantis, Hunqapillar

Due to raw materials shortage and painfully long lead times we have to 
announce 8-month waits on these. That’s longer than customs, but hopefully 
will speed up soon.

On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 11:50:51 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> This is good general advice about any Rivbike these days. The domestic 
> frames tend to hold steady as available if you wait long enough, but that 
> wait seems to be getting longer. The Taiwan models are available on the 
> spot once released as 'for sale', but they all qualify as limited runs of 
> one length or another. It's wise to jump on the one you want when it's 
> there if you're really invested in the idea..more so if you like a specific 
> color. Don't doddle!

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[cyclotourist]

Right next door to you in Multnomah Village... go check out some ferrous
eye candy!!!

Seriously, they are very motivated, don't let the asking price drive anyone
away!

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:00 AM, 'Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I'm just happy my sharing the listing has generated a LOT of discussion!
> In case you all are wondering, there is at least ONE person who might fit
> the bike, can appreciate it, and is close enough to actually go for a test
> ride:  ME.
>
> I am about 5'9", ride a 55 Hillborne daily, and also have a "vintage" 54cm
> Cannondale R400.
>
> But, of course, the price is too high for me.  My excuse is that I already
> have those two other bikes,and prefer to be able to use 38mm tires.
>
> Ride Safely,
> Beaverton Bob
> (Beaverton is the closest suburb West of Portland)
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 on the Atlas recommendation. Due to issues with my Clementine's stock 
Alex wheelset, I upgraded to Riv's Atlas/Velocity. About a week later I hit 
a pothole at night at speed and the rear rim got toasted. But I was able to 
get home on it and if it were something not as robust, the situation could 
have been worse. It's a good looking wheelset, and unless you are racing or 
do a lot of Strava uphill challenges, they make a lot of sense for a Mt. 
Bubbe.  

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:17:29 PM UTC-4, adam leibow wrote:
>
> Paul, I would go with the Atlas rims. They *might* be overkill, but they 
> aren't crazy heavy or anything, just good, confidence-inspiring, rim-brake 
> mountain touring rims. I have a set of A23's on my cross bike and I wish 
> they were wider. My friend destroyed a pair of A23's, just be better safe 
> than sorry. The wider rim is better for a wider tire, anyways. 
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:30:29 AM UTC-7, Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>> I'm one of the folks anxiously anticipating the arrival of an MTBubbe 
>> frame. Long time Rivbike listener, first time Rivbike owner here.
>>
>> *Wheels* - Has anyone used the Velocity built Atlas wheels offered by 
>> Riv? They seem like a really good option for a very reasonable price, but 
>> Atlas rims may be overkill for me. Any thoughts? The A23s seem narrow but 
>> are probably plenty strong. I'd try Pacenti Brevets or Forza's.
>>
>> Any suggestions for wide rim brake 650b rims that are between A23 and 
>> Atlas? What about a source for an A23 wheelset with a dynamo?
>>
>> I'm going to call a few shops today and see what I can get locally.
>>
>> *WTB*
>> For the bike, I've got a pretty solid bar ends and Albatross build 
>> planned, but I need some parts to finish it off. I can buy a lot of this 
>> stuff new, but I thought someone on the list might be interested in selling 
>> me some used parts:
>>
>>- Front and rear deraillers - Deore or similiar (8 or 9 speed)
>>   - I'm also interested in a more road oriented set. I can pull the 
>>   Deore's off my Boulder, but I'd want the RD to clear a 32.
>>   - V brakes and levers - Deore, XT, or Avid, or others 
>>- 24 tooth chainring (74 bcd, pretty sure, and chainring bolts)
>>- Seatpost - 26.8 (two bolts if I'm lucky)
>>- Wheelset - 650b
>>- Tires - 650b between 42 and 50 mm wide. Not picky at the moment, 
>>but definitely not any super light things that get punctured by glass and 
>>thorns and wires. My neighborhood is not well-kept.
>>
>> I just prefer used parts if I can get them, so let me know what you're 
>> trying to get rid of.
>>
>> Maybe I'll get lucky at the co-op...
>>
>>
>> *Crankset For Trade*
>>
>> Shimano Deore XT FC-M730 with 175mm arms. I'd like to trade for something 
>> with similar looking arms (Sugino maybe) with 172.5 length. The crank is 
>> WELL USED (lots of scuffs and scratches) so I'll don't be shy about your 
>> offers. If there's no takers, I'll just ride 175s.
>>
>>
>> I had a bunch of this stuff in my bin, but I've been building bikes for 
>> friends and family all spring and summer, and it's kinda wiped me out. For 
>> example, two old cranksets and all my spare chainrings and a bunch of old 
>> shimano deraillers are now being ridden! So now I have to rebuild my stash. 
>> So I'm not picky. I just want to get my new bike rolling!
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Paul in ATL
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Mustache/ Albastache on a clem

[Joe Bernard]

I think I could've done it on the 45cm Clem H I had because I was at the top 
end of height for it (it was too cramped with Albas), but no way on my 52 Clem 
L. I would need a comically short stem which would undoubtedly screw up the 
steering. 

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[RBW] Re: Another customer service shout out

[Davey Two Shoes]

Those guys are just so great.

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Davey Two Shoes]

Why did they do away with the swoopy seat stays? Thats one of my favorite 
things about the Clem!

Still great looking bike

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Davey Two Shoes]

great bike! Just a guess here, thats prospect park and the LBS is 718c?


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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[Doug Van Cleve]

Don't get me wrong, it's super cool that e-Richie built it. For me, that
adds some value but it certainly doesn't double the value or anything close
to it…


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Yes, this is what I was alluding to in my earlier comment. I don't think
> there would be an appreciable difference in design and construction because
> e-RICHIE brazed it. It's a very nice Grant-designed Rivendell.
>

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[RBW] Re: Mustache/ Albastache on a clem

[Garth]

You may run into a reach issue as both stache bars have little reach back 
themselves just like a drop bar.  Depends on your flexibility and 
fit/position preference. which no one can do for you or tell you what it 
would be like since there is only one you. 



On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 5:01:23 PM UTC-4, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Anyone riding with this set up? As I ride my clem more I find its quite a 
> bit quicker than you expect. I dont think drops would be a good move but 
> maybe some stachios.
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[RBW] Mustache/ Albastache on a clem

[Davey Two Shoes]

Anyone riding with this set up? As I ride my clem more I find its quite a 
bit quicker than you expect. I dont think drops would be a good move but 
maybe some stachios.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, this is what I was alluding to in my earlier comment. I don't think there 
would be an appreciable difference in design and construction because e-RICHIE 
brazed it. It's a very nice Grant-designed Rivendell. 

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[RBW] Re: Thinlines with V-brakes ok??

[Garth]

Myself I'd use these because the pad is thicker and then just replace the 
pad .  http://www.koolstop.com/english/v_type2holder.html

instead of these http://www.koolstop.com/english/thinline.html

All pads http://www.koolstop.com/english/rim_pads.html

Compare dimensions too, like "pad contact width". Measure your current ones 
to see what the difference is if any. 



On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 2:51:14 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Ok to use with Tektro/Shimano type V-brakes?
> Brake track on my A23 rims are too short for the standard pads so I 
> thought thin lines will fit nicely.

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[RBW] Re: Thinlines with V-brakes ok??

[Jay Connolly]

I just switched my v-brakes to thin lines. One of my Avids broke (not the arm, 
bit the bracket that holds the noodle), so I'm running one Riv-issue Tektro and 
one Avid Single-Digit 7, both with thin lines. Noticeable improvement, front 
and rear.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[Ryan Fleming]

I would agree with you there; it is a GP design and the other 3 builders 
are just as skilled at the execution of that design

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:12:11 PM UTC-5, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
> It is a neat frame and an interesting part of Rivendell custom history.  
> My issue is that it is not better in any way than a Joe Starck, Curt 
> Goodrich or Mark Nobilette built custom.  It is not a Sachs, I would bet 
> the geometry is completely GP, but it's about double the going rate because 
> RS built it.  Super cool for the right buyer, I guess...
>
> Doug
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:00 AM, 'Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I'm just happy my sharing the listing has generated a LOT of discussion!  
>> In case you all are wondering, there is at least ONE person who might fit 
>> the bike, can appreciate it, and is close enough to actually go for a test 
>> ride:  ME.
>>
>> I am about 5'9", ride a 55 Hillborne daily, and also have a "vintage" 
>> 54cm Cannondale R400.
>>
>> But, of course, the price is too high for me.  My excuse is that I 
>> already have those two other bikes,and prefer to be able to use 38mm tires.
>>
>> Ride Safely,
>> Beaverton Bob 
>> (Beaverton is the closest suburb West of Portland)
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[Doug Van Cleve]

It is a neat frame and an interesting part of Rivendell custom history.  My
issue is that it is not better in any way than a Joe Starck, Curt Goodrich
or Mark Nobilette built custom.  It is not a Sachs, I would bet the
geometry is completely GP, but it's about double the going rate because RS
built it.  Super cool for the right buyer, I guess...

Doug

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:00 AM, 'Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I'm just happy my sharing the listing has generated a LOT of discussion!
> In case you all are wondering, there is at least ONE person who might fit
> the bike, can appreciate it, and is close enough to actually go for a test
> ride:  ME.
>
> I am about 5'9", ride a 55 Hillborne daily, and also have a "vintage" 54cm
> Cannondale R400.
>
> But, of course, the price is too high for me.  My excuse is that I already
> have those two other bikes,and prefer to be able to use 38mm tires.
>
> Ride Safely,
> Beaverton Bob
> (Beaverton is the closest suburb West of Portland)
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

[Paul Clifton]

You guys are all really coming through! I'm replying off list to everyone, 
but a huge thanks to the bunch.

Adam, what'd your friend have to do to destroy the A23s?

Paul in ATL

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:38:21 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> Paul:
>
> I've got a 24 tooth, 74 BCD chainring you can have.  Send me your address 
> & I'll drop it in the mail.  Fits into a small envelope so it may go as 
> regular mail.  No bolts, unfortunately.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:30:29 AM UTC-7, Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>> I'm one of the folks anxiously anticipating the arrival of an MTBubbe 
>> frame. Long time Rivbike listener, first time Rivbike owner here.
>>
>> *Wheels* - Has anyone used the Velocity built Atlas wheels offered by 
>> Riv? They seem like a really good option for a very reasonable price, but 
>> Atlas rims may be overkill for me. Any thoughts? The A23s seem narrow but 
>> are probably plenty strong. I'd try Pacenti Brevets or Forza's.
>>
>> Any suggestions for wide rim brake 650b rims that are between A23 and 
>> Atlas? What about a source for an A23 wheelset with a dynamo?
>>
>> I'm going to call a few shops today and see what I can get locally.
>>
>> *WTB*
>> For the bike, I've got a pretty solid bar ends and Albatross build 
>> planned, but I need some parts to finish it off. I can buy a lot of this 
>> stuff new, but I thought someone on the list might be interested in selling 
>> me some used parts:
>>
>>- Front and rear deraillers - Deore or similiar (8 or 9 speed)
>>   - I'm also interested in a more road oriented set. I can pull the 
>>   Deore's off my Boulder, but I'd want the RD to clear a 32.
>>   - V brakes and levers - Deore, XT, or Avid, or others 
>>- 24 tooth chainring (74 bcd, pretty sure, and chainring bolts)
>>- Seatpost - 26.8 (two bolts if I'm lucky)
>>- Wheelset - 650b
>>- Tires - 650b between 42 and 50 mm wide. Not picky at the moment, 
>>but definitely not any super light things that get punctured by glass and 
>>thorns and wires. My neighborhood is not well-kept.
>>
>> I just prefer used parts if I can get them, so let me know what you're 
>> trying to get rid of.
>>
>> Maybe I'll get lucky at the co-op...
>>
>>
>> *Crankset For Trade*
>>
>> Shimano Deore XT FC-M730 with 175mm arms. I'd like to trade for something 
>> with similar looking arms (Sugino maybe) with 172.5 length. The crank is 
>> WELL USED (lots of scuffs and scratches) so I'll don't be shy about your 
>> offers. If there's no takers, I'll just ride 175s.
>>
>>
>> I had a bunch of this stuff in my bin, but I've been building bikes for 
>> friends and family all spring and summer, and it's kinda wiped me out. For 
>> example, two old cranksets and all my spare chainrings and a bunch of old 
>> shimano deraillers are now being ridden! So now I have to rebuild my stash. 
>> So I'm not picky. I just want to get my new bike rolling!
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Paul in ATL
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

[dougP]

Paul:

I've got a 24 tooth, 74 BCD chainring you can have.  Send me your address & 
I'll drop it in the mail.  Fits into a small envelope so it may go as 
regular mail.  No bolts, unfortunately.  

dougP

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:30:29 AM UTC-7, Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> I'm one of the folks anxiously anticipating the arrival of an MTBubbe 
> frame. Long time Rivbike listener, first time Rivbike owner here.
>
> *Wheels* - Has anyone used the Velocity built Atlas wheels offered by 
> Riv? They seem like a really good option for a very reasonable price, but 
> Atlas rims may be overkill for me. Any thoughts? The A23s seem narrow but 
> are probably plenty strong. I'd try Pacenti Brevets or Forza's.
>
> Any suggestions for wide rim brake 650b rims that are between A23 and 
> Atlas? What about a source for an A23 wheelset with a dynamo?
>
> I'm going to call a few shops today and see what I can get locally.
>
> *WTB*
> For the bike, I've got a pretty solid bar ends and Albatross build 
> planned, but I need some parts to finish it off. I can buy a lot of this 
> stuff new, but I thought someone on the list might be interested in selling 
> me some used parts:
>
>- Front and rear deraillers - Deore or similiar (8 or 9 speed)
>   - I'm also interested in a more road oriented set. I can pull the 
>   Deore's off my Boulder, but I'd want the RD to clear a 32.
>   - V brakes and levers - Deore, XT, or Avid, or others 
>- 24 tooth chainring (74 bcd, pretty sure, and chainring bolts)
>- Seatpost - 26.8 (two bolts if I'm lucky)
>- Wheelset - 650b
>- Tires - 650b between 42 and 50 mm wide. Not picky at the moment, but 
>definitely not any super light things that get punctured by glass and 
>thorns and wires. My neighborhood is not well-kept.
>
> I just prefer used parts if I can get them, so let me know what you're 
> trying to get rid of.
>
> Maybe I'll get lucky at the co-op...
>
>
> *Crankset For Trade*
>
> Shimano Deore XT FC-M730 with 175mm arms. I'd like to trade for something 
> with similar looking arms (Sugino maybe) with 172.5 length. The crank is 
> WELL USED (lots of scuffs and scratches) so I'll don't be shy about your 
> offers. If there's no takers, I'll just ride 175s.
>
>
> I had a bunch of this stuff in my bin, but I've been building bikes for 
> friends and family all spring and summer, and it's kinda wiped me out. For 
> example, two old cranksets and all my spare chainrings and a bunch of old 
> shimano deraillers are now being ridden! So now I have to rebuild my stash. 
> So I'm not picky. I just want to get my new bike rolling!
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul in ATL
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB Nitto Saddle Bag Quick Release

[Joe Bernard]

I have one I'm not using. Gimme a text holler at 415 seven eight six 46 two 
three.

Joe Bernard 
Vallejo CA. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

[adam leibow]

Paul, I would go with the Atlas rims. They *might* be overkill, but they 
aren't crazy heavy or anything, just good, confidence-inspiring, rim-brake 
mountain touring rims. I have a set of A23's on my cross bike and I wish 
they were wider. My friend destroyed a pair of A23's, just be better safe 
than sorry. The wider rim is better for a wider tire, anyways. 

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:30:29 AM UTC-7, Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> I'm one of the folks anxiously anticipating the arrival of an MTBubbe 
> frame. Long time Rivbike listener, first time Rivbike owner here.
>
> *Wheels* - Has anyone used the Velocity built Atlas wheels offered by 
> Riv? They seem like a really good option for a very reasonable price, but 
> Atlas rims may be overkill for me. Any thoughts? The A23s seem narrow but 
> are probably plenty strong. I'd try Pacenti Brevets or Forza's.
>
> Any suggestions for wide rim brake 650b rims that are between A23 and 
> Atlas? What about a source for an A23 wheelset with a dynamo?
>
> I'm going to call a few shops today and see what I can get locally.
>
> *WTB*
> For the bike, I've got a pretty solid bar ends and Albatross build 
> planned, but I need some parts to finish it off. I can buy a lot of this 
> stuff new, but I thought someone on the list might be interested in selling 
> me some used parts:
>
>- Front and rear deraillers - Deore or similiar (8 or 9 speed)
>   - I'm also interested in a more road oriented set. I can pull the 
>   Deore's off my Boulder, but I'd want the RD to clear a 32.
>   - V brakes and levers - Deore, XT, or Avid, or others 
>- 24 tooth chainring (74 bcd, pretty sure, and chainring bolts)
>- Seatpost - 26.8 (two bolts if I'm lucky)
>- Wheelset - 650b
>- Tires - 650b between 42 and 50 mm wide. Not picky at the moment, but 
>definitely not any super light things that get punctured by glass and 
>thorns and wires. My neighborhood is not well-kept.
>
> I just prefer used parts if I can get them, so let me know what you're 
> trying to get rid of.
>
> Maybe I'll get lucky at the co-op...
>
>
> *Crankset For Trade*
>
> Shimano Deore XT FC-M730 with 175mm arms. I'd like to trade for something 
> with similar looking arms (Sugino maybe) with 172.5 length. The crank is 
> WELL USED (lots of scuffs and scratches) so I'll don't be shy about your 
> offers. If there's no takers, I'll just ride 175s.
>
>
> I had a bunch of this stuff in my bin, but I've been building bikes for 
> friends and family all spring and summer, and it's kinda wiped me out. For 
> example, two old cranksets and all my spare chainrings and a bunch of old 
> shimano deraillers are now being ridden! So now I have to rebuild my stash. 
> So I'm not picky. I just want to get my new bike rolling!
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul in ATL
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Saddle Bag Quick Release

[Karl]

https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-r50-quick-release-saddle-bag-supporter/bag_part_nitto__870-179-11/product



On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 1:53:55 PM UTC-5, Trevor Kniffin wrote:
>
> Does anyone have one of the nitto saddle bag QR's they would be willing to 
> part with? These seem to be permanently out of stock at Riv.
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-saddlebag-grip-quick-release-r50-20109?variant=23336752257
>
> Thanks,
>
> Trevor 
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

[lum gim fong]

I have a used velocity synergy 650 B front wheel if you want it for $50 plus 
shipping. Where do you live? Might be better to pick it up if you live near 
Maryland.

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[RBW] Re: Thinlines with V-brakes ok??

[Ron Mc]

I thought thinlines were sold specifically by Kool Stop as a V-brake bad. 
 Paul sells them as their stand pad on every brake.  

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 1:51:14 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Ok to use with Tektro/Shimano type V-brakes?
> Brake track on my A23 rims are too short for the standard pads so I 
> thought thin lines will fit nicely.

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[RBW] Re: Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[lum gim fong]

I recently cut out my flyer saddle myself but I would rather get an Imperial 
flyer.

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[RBW] WTB Nitto Saddle Bag Quick Release

[Trevor Kniffin]

Does anyone have one of the nitto saddle bag QR's they would be willing to 
part with? These seem to be permanently out of stock at Riv.

https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-saddlebag-grip-quick-release-r50-20109?variant=23336752257

Thanks,

Trevor 

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[RBW] Thinlines with V-brakes ok??

[lum gim fong]

Ok to use with Tektro/Shimano type V-brakes?
Brake track on my A23 rims are too short for the standard pads so I thought 
thin lines will fit nicely.

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[RBW] Re: Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[Surlyprof]

I've had good luck with Universal out of Portland.  No hassle return 
experience.  I've been wanting an Imperial Flyer, too.  Wish they made it the 
honey leather.  Thinking about getting a flyer from Riv and modifying it.

John

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Drivetrain Upgrade

[Justin, Oakland]

Clayton:
This may appeal to you. 
https://paulcomp.com/shop/components/sram-shifter-adaptor/

-J

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[RBW] Re: Super tall Rivendell Custom

[Jay Connolly]

If I understood the post, the top tube is about 120cm off the ground. Is that 
possible? I was wondering if it was meant to read 102.

Jay 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Rosco Road

[Bill Lindsay]

Yep it's a super versatile bike for somebody with the will to take 
advantage of the versatility.  It's a Quickbeam if you build it like a 
Quickbeam.  It's a Monster Crosser if you build it like a Monster Cross. 
 It's a road bike if you build it like a road bike.  It's a Hilsen/Country 
Bike if you go that way.  It's even an Atlantis/loaded touring bike, if 
that's what you want to do with it.  Unlike all of the above it's a 
carry-bike.  Anybody who takes their bikes up and down lots of stairs every 
day in their normal daily life will lament how they've been doing it wrong 
all their lives with no liftatube.  

I already have one, and I'm thinking about buying yours so I can stash one 
at a vacation spot.  It's like stashing six bikes in one garage, again, if 
you have the will to take advantage of all that flexibility.  Many people 
are better served with lots of specific bikes, rather than one versatile 
bike. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 7:11:28 AM UTC-7, Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
> Bill-- thank you for that helpful contextualization of the Rosco with 
> other Riv models.  It is especially instructive for me for the Quickbeam, 
> which is a bike that very much appeals to me, but isn't readily available 
> for a test ride at Riv dealers.  There is one recently opened in Omaha that 
> I have not yet visited.
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[RBW] Re: FS: 26" dyno wheelset, brooks cambium natrual, nitto big back medium

[dstein]

$300 plus shipping on the 26" 135mm dyno wheelset?

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:07:39 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> It would have been nice if I could spell 'Natrual' right in the subject ;)
>
> Rack and saddle are sold. Dyno wheelset remains.135mm spacing on the rear 
> wheel btw.
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Dyno Wheelset - 26” Atlas rim with Rivendell Silver rear hub and SP SV-9 
>> Dyno hub (36 rear, 32 front), db spokes - $350
>> Brooks Cambium Saddle Natural- $110 (like new - cambium natural, maybe 50 
>> miles)
>> Nitto Big Back Rack (rear) - Medium 32R - $150
>>
>> Plus actual shipping charges (and pending time for me to get boxes for 
>> each item) or local pickup in Oakland, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm just happy my sharing the listing has generated a LOT of discussion! 
 In case you all are wondering, there is at least ONE person who might fit 
the bike, can appreciate it, and is close enough to actually go for a test 
ride:  ME.

I am about 5'9", ride a 55 Hillborne daily, and also have a "vintage" 54cm 
Cannondale R400.

But, of course, the price is too high for me.  My excuse is that I already 
have those two other bikes,and prefer to be able to use 38mm tires.

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob 
(Beaverton is the closest suburb West of Portland)

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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

[Steven Sweedler]

Paul I have a 26.8 Nitto post I can sell for $25 shipped, also have a new
24 T chainring but it's 58 bcd Won't be home until Tuesday for a picture.
Steve

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:30 AM Paul Clifton 
wrote:

> I'm one of the folks anxiously anticipating the arrival of an MTBubbe
> frame. Long time Rivbike listener, first time Rivbike owner here.
>
> *Wheels* - Has anyone used the Velocity built Atlas wheels offered by
> Riv? They seem like a really good option for a very reasonable price, but
> Atlas rims may be overkill for me. Any thoughts? The A23s seem narrow but
> are probably plenty strong. I'd try Pacenti Brevets or Forza's.
>
> Any suggestions for wide rim brake 650b rims that are between A23 and
> Atlas? What about a source for an A23 wheelset with a dynamo?
>
> I'm going to call a few shops today and see what I can get locally.
>
> *WTB*
> For the bike, I've got a pretty solid bar ends and Albatross build
> planned, but I need some parts to finish it off. I can buy a lot of this
> stuff new, but I thought someone on the list might be interested in selling
> me some used parts:
>
>- Front and rear deraillers - Deore or similiar (8 or 9 speed)
>   - I'm also interested in a more road oriented set. I can pull the
>   Deore's off my Boulder, but I'd want the RD to clear a 32.
>   - V brakes and levers - Deore, XT, or Avid, or others
>- 24 tooth chainring (74 bcd, pretty sure, and chainring bolts)
>- Seatpost - 26.8 (two bolts if I'm lucky)
>- Wheelset - 650b
>- Tires - 650b between 42 and 50 mm wide. Not picky at the moment, but
>definitely not any super light things that get punctured by glass and
>thorns and wires. My neighborhood is not well-kept.
>
> I just prefer used parts if I can get them, so let me know what you're
> trying to get rid of.
>
> Maybe I'll get lucky at the co-op...
>
>
> *Crankset For Trade*
>
> Shimano Deore XT FC-M730 with 175mm arms. I'd like to trade for something
> with similar looking arms (Sugino maybe) with 172.5 length. The crank is
> WELL USED (lots of scuffs and scratches) so I'll don't be shy about your
> offers. If there's no takers, I'll just ride 175s.
>
>
> I had a bunch of this stuff in my bin, but I've been building bikes for
> friends and family all spring and summer, and it's kinda wiped me out. For
> example, two old cranksets and all my spare chainrings and a bunch of old
> shimano deraillers are now being ridden! So now I have to rebuild my stash.
> So I'm not picky. I just want to get my new bike rolling!
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul in ATL
>
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[RBW] Re: How do you guys do it, buying a bike sight unseen

[Jon BALER]

I have bought all my recent bikes (15?) without a test ride.  The LBS 
typically don't carry the XL sizes, and most models that I seek are sold as 
a frame only.  I think part selection is more critical, and I can always 
change those.

I have a pretty good idea what I want, pick relatively simple bikes, and am 
not terribly picky over what makes a good bike.

If I was between a medium and large, and buying an uber-fancy, full 
suspension mountain bike, then it would be a different story.

Jon
Ellicott City, MD

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 11:27:04 AM UTC-4, peec...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Experimental purchases, then discarding some of those purchases is 
> relatively more economical and best done with bicycles rather than cars or 
> motorcycles.
> tim
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 10:52:07 PM UTC-5, Bill M. wrote:
>>
>> All I can say is, you do your diligence, take your best educated shot at 
>> a bike that will work, and accept that if it doesn't work out you will 
>> either have to live with it or sell it along and take some financial loss. 
>>  I think of it as the fee for the education I've gotten by riding the bike 
>> - if I didn't like it, I have at least learned why and won't buy that again.
>>
>> Bill
>> Stockton, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 2:08:54 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>>
>>> I hopped right on the Roadini.  Since it's a pre-order with a wait, a 
>>> tinge of worry has creeped in. I've never bought a bike before taking a 
>>> spin on it let alone not being able to touch it or a pre-order.  Will I 
>>> like it, will parts selection be a pain in the butt, what if it rides like 
>>> my drop bar touring bike, look at that shiny titanium thing over 
>>> thereblah blah blah
>>>
>>> Should've grabbed that $1600 minty choco-bar orange Sam...nah I wanted 
>>> something roadieish
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB/WTT - Parts for MTBubbe Build, and a wheels question

[Paul Clifton]

I'm one of the folks anxiously anticipating the arrival of an MTBubbe 
frame. Long time Rivbike listener, first time Rivbike owner here.

*Wheels* - Has anyone used the Velocity built Atlas wheels offered by Riv? 
They seem like a really good option for a very reasonable price, but Atlas 
rims may be overkill for me. Any thoughts? The A23s seem narrow but are 
probably plenty strong. I'd try Pacenti Brevets or Forza's.

Any suggestions for wide rim brake 650b rims that are between A23 and 
Atlas? What about a source for an A23 wheelset with a dynamo?

I'm going to call a few shops today and see what I can get locally.

*WTB*
For the bike, I've got a pretty solid bar ends and Albatross build planned, 
but I need some parts to finish it off. I can buy a lot of this stuff new, 
but I thought someone on the list might be interested in selling me some 
used parts:

   - Front and rear deraillers - Deore or similiar (8 or 9 speed)
  - I'm also interested in a more road oriented set. I can pull the 
  Deore's off my Boulder, but I'd want the RD to clear a 32.
  - V brakes and levers - Deore, XT, or Avid, or others 
   - 24 tooth chainring (74 bcd, pretty sure, and chainring bolts)
   - Seatpost - 26.8 (two bolts if I'm lucky)
   - Wheelset - 650b
   - Tires - 650b between 42 and 50 mm wide. Not picky at the moment, but 
   definitely not any super light things that get punctured by glass and 
   thorns and wires. My neighborhood is not well-kept.
   
I just prefer used parts if I can get them, so let me know what you're 
trying to get rid of.

Maybe I'll get lucky at the co-op...


*Crankset For Trade*

Shimano Deore XT FC-M730 with 175mm arms. I'd like to trade for something 
with similar looking arms (Sugino maybe) with 172.5 length. The crank is 
WELL USED (lots of scuffs and scratches) so I'll don't be shy about your 
offers. If there's no takers, I'll just ride 175s.


I had a bunch of this stuff in my bin, but I've been building bikes for 
friends and family all spring and summer, and it's kinda wiped me out. For 
example, two old cranksets and all my spare chainrings and a bunch of old 
shimano deraillers are now being ridden! So now I have to rebuild my stash. 
So I'm not picky. I just want to get my new bike rolling!


Thanks!

Paul in ATL


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[RBW] Re: How do you guys do it, buying a bike sight unseen

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Experimental purchases, then discarding some of those purchases is 
relatively more economical and best done with bicycles rather than cars or 
motorcycles.
tim
On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 10:52:07 PM UTC-5, Bill M. wrote:
>
> All I can say is, you do your diligence, take your best educated shot at a 
> bike that will work, and accept that if it doesn't work out you will either 
> have to live with it or sell it along and take some financial loss.  I 
> think of it as the fee for the education I've gotten by riding the bike - 
> if I didn't like it, I have at least learned why and won't buy that again.
>
> Bill
> Stockton, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 2:08:54 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> I hopped right on the Roadini.  Since it's a pre-order with a wait, a 
>> tinge of worry has creeped in. I've never bought a bike before taking a 
>> spin on it let alone not being able to touch it or a pre-order.  Will I 
>> like it, will parts selection be a pain in the butt, what if it rides like 
>> my drop bar touring bike, look at that shiny titanium thing over 
>> thereblah blah blah
>>
>> Should've grabbed that $1600 minty choco-bar orange Sam...nah I wanted 
>> something roadieish
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Patrick Moore]

Someone who has used both F Freds (in the 26" size) and the Rat Traps,
pretty much back to back, said that the RTs were a distinct improvement as
to rolling resistance -- ie, they are faster.

I'll not switch any time soon, unless Compass comes out with a 700C X 50 mm
version of the RTP.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Jay Connolly  wrote:

> I haven't ridden the Fred's, but I'm not sure how much you'll gain in the
> swap. It's my understanding that the FF is a 300g tire with no protection.
> I assume that the low weight comes, in part, from a thin and supple
> sidewall.
>
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[RBW] Re: Tires, revisited.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've found the Maxxis Torch 29 to be a really nice tire.  It's close to the 
Big Apple in it's tread so I'm sure it has limitations in the dirt.  







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Re: [RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Jay Connolly]

I haven't ridden the Fred's, but I'm not sure how much you'll gain in the swap. 
It's my understanding that the FF is a 300g tire with no protection. I assume 
that the low weight comes, in part, from a thin and supple sidewall. 

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Drivetrain Upgrade

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
>
> 
> To answer Irreguleur's question:  One of the biggest advantages to getting 
> rid of the front derailleur are;  Weight. You are getting rid of a shifter, 
> the front derailleur, one or two chainrings and their bolts, and cables and 
> housing. You also never have to worry about cross chaining, chain drop, 
> front cable replacement, multiple ring replacements or listening to your 
> chain on bumpy terrain when you accidently have your chain in the small, 
> small. My son gave me a new 1X11 SramXX group for Christmas and I have not 
> missed my front derailleur at all. I put a little deer antler crown on my 
> unused downtube shifter mount to protect my leg. I had to make a few 
> changes to how the shifter mounts on drop bars, but I am quite happy with 
> my ergonomic changes. It is easier to operate from the drops than brifters. 
> If I had the money, I might consider getting Srams single ring road gruppo. 
>

Clayton (Bendite) 

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Re: [RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Jay. So, on my 27/35 mm Blunts, they should measure their full 44
mm -- that's 7 mm less than the F Freds. But the additional suppleness
(tho' the F Freds weigh between the 2 SP models) might make up for that.

Sheesh, something else to spend money on ...

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Jay Connolly  wrote:

> Patrick, I've been running Snoqualmie Pass tires on both my Joe and my
> Sam. They run 42mm on DT Swiss TK540 rims and 43mm on Mavic A719s. Both
> rims have an internal width of 19mm, I believe, and the difference may be
> nothing more than the time the tires have been on the rims. I've had them
> on the Sam for a shorter period of time.
>
> Jay
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Re: [RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Jay Connolly]

Patrick, I've been running Snoqualmie Pass tires on both my Joe and my Sam. 
They run 42mm on DT Swiss TK540 rims and 43mm on Mavic A719s. Both rims have an 
internal width of 19mm, I believe, and the difference may be nothing more than 
the time the tires have been on the rims. I've had them on the Sam for a 
shorter period of time.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires, revisited.

[Patrick Moore]

Yes indeed to Orange Seal. I've blathered about it enough, but it makes
possible the use of "fragile" tires that otherwise would be impossible due
to flats; be it put in tubes (at least, above 30-35 psi; it wouldn't work
for me in tubes at 20 or so) or of course tubeless.

Oh, and Patrick: what pressures do you find best for the Snoqualmie Passes
for your combination of pavement and rough stuff? (I find ~23/26 good for
the 50 mm F Freds here, but might go to 25-6/28-30 for rockier and rootier
terrain.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 7:48 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I would highly recommend getting removable core inner tubes and squirting
> in some orange seal. I've had zero flats on my RTP with this method, decent
> amount of mileage, all sorts of rough stuff. Maybe I would not have had a
> flat anyway, but worth a try if you are getting flats to see if it brings
> the number down.
>
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:19:14 AM UTC-4, Jay Connolly wrote:
>>
>> Patrick, I have a similar issue, though a different use for the tires. I
>> am going to be using my Joe as a hauler/commuter and so I want a tire that
>> will make flats rare. I use the Snoqualmie Pass tires right now, but flats
>> are inevitable with those tires, and I'd rather avoid the hassle on this
>> particular bike.The problem is, I'm so spoiled by the ride of these tires
>> that I'm loathe to use something that's going to feel sluggish. I have a
>> set of Schwalbe Almotion 700 x 50s, but they weigh about 800 grams each, I
>> believe, and both tires wobble on the rims. (After a similarly wobbly
>> Kojaks a couple of years ago, I think I'm done with Schwalbe. Seems to be a
>> common complaint.) I may go with the Clement Xplor 700 x 50.
>>
>> Jay
>>
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Re: [RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this useful comparison, which makes me want to swap out my Fur
Freds for the Snoqualmie Pass, el of course, and tubeless.

What do your SP's actually measure in width? And on how wide a rim?

And, would you say that the Thunder Burts are closer in performance and
feel to the SPs than to the RRs?

+ 1 for a 700C version of the Rat Trap Pass!



On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Finding a plush do everything tire is a challenge. Based on what is on the
> market today I would have an easier time in a smaller wheel size than 700c.
> The balance between volume v. weight and road v. trail will depend on you
> and the riding you do.
>
> This has been a fascinating summer, riding Compass’ Snoqualmie 44mm el
> tires instead of my Schwalbe 2.1” Racing Ralph performance (no flat
> protection) tires. I just switched from the Snoqualmies to the Racing
> Ralphs yesterday because I shredded the rear Snoqualmie. Trail crews
> churned up the MUP that connects me to the back road that connects me to
> Woodland Park. Detrious accumulates on the MUP from Highway 24 right next
> door and up hill. Normally not a big deal as it either gets pushed off the
> path or dug in under the path with time. But fresh churned areas?
> PBft! Two flats in two two days. More than I’ve ever had except
> when they churn up the MUP each year. I should avoid it for a week or two.
> But I can’t. It’s the one way I can take to get to Woodland Park and other
> rides. So, I’d rather ride my $20 a tire (I got them on sale) Racing Ralphs
> than my $80 a tire Snoqualmie. Can’t blame the tire, but I also know the
> RR’s are more likely to survive a hit than the Snoqualmies. Yesterday's
> ride on the same road and trails gave me another direct comparison between
> the two, this time with two months riding experience on the Snoqualmies and
> a year on the Racing Ralphs.
>
> In plushness, they are nearly identical, for the Racing Ralph makes up in
> volume the bit it’s short in sidewall suppleness. What does nearly mean?
> The RRs handle rocks and roots and wash board better but the general feel
> is equal.
>
> Handling: again, the strengths and weaknesses nearly balance out here, at
> least in dry(ish) conditions. Snoqualmies are fleet and smooth. Fast and
> easy climbing and surprisingly grippy, they track a smoother line (I’m
> unsure why this is). RR’s do not require underbiking on trails. This makes
> for a smoother ride on descents, but they require more effort to climb
> because of the 29er big tire inertia law of physics.
>
> The “cross” tire between these two, and the one I may go to next year as
> my summer tire is the Thunder Burt. I just nee to find a sale on the “no
> protection” version because the other versions are not supple enough for
> this "princess and the pea.” Grin.
>
> Conclusion: I love the Compass Snoqualmie and wish there was a higher
> volume option available for those of us riding all terrains with 700c. Yet
> the overall “price” I pay shifting to the Racing Ralphs is small, and I
> gain a lot of confidence in wet and/or loose surface conditions. Next year,
> if I shift to a summer tire, it will likely be the Thunder Burt.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Rosco Road

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Drew-- I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.  What specific aspect of 
the two bikes are you asking me to compare?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Rosco Road

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Bill-- thank you for that helpful contextualization of the Rosco with other 
Riv models.  It is especially instructive for me for the Quickbeam, which 
is a bike that very much appeals to me, but isn't readily available for a 
test ride at Riv dealers.  There is one recently opened in Omaha that I 
have not yet visited.

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Re: [RBW] How do you guys do it, buying a bike sight unseen

[Eric Floden]

I had one custom built and of course it was perfect.

But l sweated a bit over my Fargo XXL Gen 1 which l ordered untested.  I am
a big guy ( 193cm ) and have had lots of bikes not fit and no room to
embiggen.

However someone close to my size rode my custom then rode a Fargo and said
fot would be excellent.  Happily he was right yay.

EricF
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Missing my Vancouver based Fargo all of a sudden...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrains for Riv Mountain Mixtes

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No. But it might be slightly oxidized on there by now ;^)

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 6:33:44 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> One thousand gold stars for such a cool single shifter. Do you blue 
> Loctite the bolt?
>
> Patrick Moore, who used those on his pseudo half step 2X7 on Kelly 
> Take-offs.
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:29 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > posted:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Tires, revisited.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would highly recommend getting removable core inner tubes and squirting 
in some orange seal. I've had zero flats on my RTP with this method, decent 
amount of mileage, all sorts of rough stuff. Maybe I would not have had a 
flat anyway, but worth a try if you are getting flats to see if it brings 
the number down.

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:19:14 AM UTC-4, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> Patrick, I have a similar issue, though a different use for the tires. I 
> am going to be using my Joe as a hauler/commuter and so I want a tire that 
> will make flats rare. I use the Snoqualmie Pass tires right now, but flats 
> are inevitable with those tires, and I'd rather avoid the hassle on this 
> particular bike.The problem is, I'm so spoiled by the ride of these tires 
> that I'm loathe to use something that's going to feel sluggish. I have a 
> set of Schwalbe Almotion 700 x 50s, but they weigh about 800 grams each, I 
> believe, and both tires wobble on the rims. (After a similarly wobbly 
> Kojaks a couple of years ago, I think I'm done with Schwalbe. Seems to be a 
> common complaint.) I may go with the Clement Xplor 700 x 50.
>
> Jay
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[Brian Campbell]

I have purchased Brooks saddles from this site with great success and often 
at substantial discounts to US based retailers.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 8:29:13 AM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:

> Rivsite is limited in Brooks saddle types. Was wondering where a good 
> place to shop for Imperial Flyer Brooks saddles is?
>
> Where do you look when RBW doesn't have it?
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[RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Christopher Cote]

Soma now offers the Supple Vitesse in 700x48. That should be worth a try.

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[Bill Gibson]

Local Mom & Pop Shop:
http://portapedalbike.com/products/?search_terms=%5B%5D=saddles==_per_page=10


On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:41 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> https://www.google.com/shopping/product/8101649971636590067?q=brooks%
> 20imperial%20flyer=1600=794=hsec:online,scoring:tp=X=
> 0ahUKEwiI78yCms_VAhUL5IMKHbq5D0AQ2SsIEQ
> looks like Universal Cycles - good outfit
>
>
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>>
>> Rivsite is limited in Brooks saddle types. Was wondering where a good
>> place to shop for Imperial Flyer Brooks saddles is?
>>
>> Where do you look when RBW doesn't have it?
>>
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[RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Conway Bennett]

Have you looked at the new soma cazadero in 700x50?  It splits the difference 
between the compass and schwalbes you are currently using.  I too have been on 
a tire walk about.  I'm thinking the sweet spot for me would be Bruce Gordon 
R on my Quickbeam and the new Soma Shikoros in 700x48 on my Sam H.  with 
Schwalbe Marathon Mondials in 28x1.75 as my tank treads.

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[RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Jay Connolly]

Patrick, I have a similar issue, though a different use for the tires. I am 
going to be using my Joe as a hauler/commuter and so I want a tire that will 
make flats rare. I use the Snoqualmie Pass tires right now, but flats are 
inevitable with those tires, and I'd rather avoid the hassle on this particular 
bike.The problem is, I'm so spoiled by the ride of these tires that I'm loathe 
to use something that's going to feel sluggish. I have a set of Schwalbe 
Almotion 700 x 50s, but they weigh about 800 grams each, I believe, and both 
tires wobble on the rims. (After a similarly wobbly Kojaks a couple of years 
ago, I think I'm done with Schwalbe. Seems to be a common complaint.) I may go 
with the Clement Xplor 700 x 50.

Jay
 

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[RBW] How do you guys do it, buying a bike sight unseen

[Nash Taylor]

Its all part of the fun!  The anxious build up, the predelivery buyers remorse 
and worrying, the kid on Christmas morning feeling when it finally arrives.  

Its kinda crazy but some people on bike forums rotate through a frame a year or 
more.  Its just a hobby really.

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[RBW] Re: Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[Ron Mc]

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/8101649971636590067?q=brooks%20imperial%20flyer=1600=794=hsec:online,scoring:tp=X=0ahUKEwiI78yCms_VAhUL5IMKHbq5D0AQ2SsIEQ
 
 
looks like Universal Cycles - good outfit

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> Rivsite is limited in Brooks saddle types. Was wondering where a good 
> place to shop for Imperial Flyer Brooks saddles is?
>
> Where do you look when RBW doesn't have it?
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[RBW] Good place for Brooks saddle shopping?

[lum gim fong]

Rivsite is limited in Brooks saddle types. Was wondering where a good place to 
shop for Imperial Flyer Brooks saddles is?

Where do you look when RBW doesn't have it?

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[RBW] Tires, revisited.

[Deacon Patrick]

Finding a plush do everything tire is a challenge. Based on what is on the 
market today I would have an easier time in a smaller wheel size than 700c. The 
balance between volume v. weight and road v. trail will depend on you and the 
riding you do.

This has been a fascinating summer, riding Compass’ Snoqualmie 44mm el tires 
instead of my Schwalbe 2.1” Racing Ralph performance (no flat protection) 
tires. I just switched from the Snoqualmies to the Racing Ralphs yesterday 
because I shredded the rear Snoqualmie. Trail crews churned up the MUP that 
connects me to the back road that connects me to Woodland Park. Detrious 
accumulates on the MUP from Highway 24 right next door and up hill. Normally 
not a big deal as it either gets pushed off the path or dug in under the path 
with time. But fresh churned areas? PBft! Two flats in two two 
days. More than I’ve ever had except when they churn up the MUP each year. I 
should avoid it for a week or two. But I can’t. It’s the one way I can take to 
get to Woodland Park and other rides. So, I’d rather ride my $20 a tire (I got 
them on sale) Racing Ralphs than my $80 a tire Snoqualmie. Can’t blame the 
tire, but I also know the RR’s are more likely to survive a hit than the 
Snoqualmies. Yesterday's ride on the same road and trails gave me another 
direct comparison between the two, this time with two months riding experience 
on the Snoqualmies and a year on the Racing Ralphs.

In plushness, they are nearly identical, for the Racing Ralph makes up in 
volume the bit it’s short in sidewall suppleness. What does nearly mean? The 
RRs handle rocks and roots and wash board better but the general feel is equal.

Handling: again, the strengths and weaknesses nearly balance out here, at least 
in dry(ish) conditions. Snoqualmies are fleet and smooth. Fast and easy 
climbing and surprisingly grippy, they track a smoother line (I’m unsure why 
this is). RR’s do not require underbiking on trails. This makes for a smoother 
ride on descents, but they require more effort to climb because of the 29er big 
tire inertia law of physics.

The “cross” tire between these two, and the one I may go to next year as my 
summer tire is the Thunder Burt. I just nee to find a sale on the “no 
protection” version because the other versions are not supple enough for this 
"princess and the pea.” Grin.

Conclusion: I love the Compass Snoqualmie and wish there was a higher volume 
option available for those of us riding all terrains with 700c. Yet the overall 
“price” I pay shifting to the Racing Ralphs is small, and I gain a lot of 
confidence in wet and/or loose surface conditions. Next year, if I shift to a 
summer tire, it will likely be the Thunder Burt.

With abandon,
Patrick

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