[RBW] Re: On Topic / Off Topic

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I appreciate the honesty of your feedback. 

It may have been absolutely the wrong move. We are all decidedly imperfect. 

My decision was related more to the tone of the responses (both public and 
moderated) which seemed to be quickly going off-course. it seemed to be 
boiling up, which is happening quite a bit of late. 

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 56cm

[Jeff W]

Bike is Sold. Thanks everyone for looking!

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 10:04:14 AM UTC-6, Jeff W wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_4128.jpg]
> Selling my Sam H. I love this bike but it's a tad large. I built it up as 
> a 3x9 with thumb shifters and Nitto North Coast bars. Super comfy, but I 
> want something that fits better. Can provide more info upon request! 
> (saddle and pedals not included, sorry)
>

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[RBW] FS: MIT Atlantis

[YQ]

I've listed my Atlantis for sale on eBay if anyone in the group is 
interested: https://www.ebay.com/itm/303584929205. I would also be willing 
to sell directly. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks.

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[RBW] FS: Mark’s rack w/ longer struts

[Jeffrey B]

Sold, thanks!

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[RBW] FS: MAP handlebar / deore v-brakes / levers

[Jeffrey B]

All items sold, thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[George Schick]

The B17 'S' *is* a wider saddle, depending on how you look at it.  The 'S' 
stands for short; it has that longer nose of the standard saddle chopped 
off so that the rider sits mostly on the wide part.  Here's a link: 
 https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/saddles/b17-short.html  But it's up to 
you.


On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 7:24:58 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> That’s kind, George, but I think what would help me is a wider saddle. 
> Hope you can find a use for your S saddle. Thanks anyway!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 5:21 PM, George Schick > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Leah - ever tried the Brooks B-17 "S" (standard)?  This is a much shorter 
> version of the regular B-17 or any of its variants.  If you're interested 
> in trying it I can send you one that I have in my parts boxes, no strings 
> attached.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 7:05:12 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> George,
>>
>> The same saddle in Select (a B17 with organic, undyed leather and copper 
>> rivets) seems to work fine - I don’t now why this Special is so 
>> troublesome. Would I prefer a wider Brooks? 
>>
>> Youbetcha. 
>>
>> But Brooks DC’d the wider B68 so it’s this or the stupid sprung B67. 
>> Heavy, creaky, and apparently useless to me since I don’t make the 175 lb 
>> weight requirement to activate the springs. Also, no copper rivets! Where 
>> are the redeeming qualities?
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 4:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I'm kind of surprised that Leah would even attempt to use something like 
>> a Brooks (Champion) Special saddle when she seems to prefer an upright 
>> riding position such as some of the current Riv models she favors support. 
>>  I currently use such a saddle on one of my road bikes, but I like it 
>> because I ride with road bars and my body is more or less at a 45 degree 
>> angle with respect to the frame/bars.  Currently, I myself am attempting to 
>> "break in" a Brooks B-17 "narrow" and after 300-400 miles it's still not 
>> comfortable.  But such is life with road bars and saddles.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:21:44 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t have a parts bin because I don’t like extra things taking up 
>>> space that are not in use. Therefore, these things must go.
>>>
>>> 1. Surly 24 pack rack. A poor man’s Nitto Basket Rack, I think. Rated 
>>> for load up to 30 lbs. There has been a recall on this rack, so ask your 
>>> LBS to get you the parts Surly made to fix the issue. Parts are free. Comes 
>>> with all the bolts, struts and instructions.  $150, new, yours for $95, 
>>> shipped.
>>>
>>> 2. Brooks B17, Special. Try as I might, I have not been able to break 
>>> this saddle in. I have a B17 Select, fits me just great, but this one? 900 
>>> miles and I still haven’t conquered it. Has copper plated rails that show a 
>>> minimal amount of wear from being clamped onto my seat post. Lovely copper 
>>> rivets set off by ebony leather. Retails for $170, yours for $130, shipped.
>>>
>>> PM me if interested.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Leah
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[bo richardson]

i use a wider brooks without springs on my brompton
and it works great
i think a friend has the same seat with springs she doesnt need
so if either of you or anyone else wants it
i will arbitrage a deal

bo
bellingham

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[RBW] WTB: Choco norm and 11 cm Tallux stem

[dirtp]

Looking for a Choco norm and 11 cm Tallux stem. Blue Lug seems to be the 
only place that has them right now. Before I order from them, I thought I'd 
check to see if anyone has one to sell.

Thanks!

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[RBW] On Topic / Off Topic

[Joe Bernard]

The post is still at internet-bob (locked to replies) and 650B and Mr. Heine's 
blog. And as stated there's a million other places to pursue this topic, I've 
done a significant amount of opining in those places myself. I'm not going to 
do so here for the reasons Jim stated, and I don't think it's necessary to give 
him grief about moderating his forum. It's not Riv's forum or yours or mine, 
it's Jim's.  

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[RBW] Re: Center pull/Herse Brake Help

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hi Everyone!

Thanks for weighing in and providing additional ideas.

So I tried the wheel swap and I got squealless, but squeal nonetheless

Next I tried some run of the mill Jagwire black brake padsno squeal.  
Nothing.  Not a peep.

So I guess my stubbornness got the best of me.  I just never thought a pad 
swap would do it considering I have the same pads/rim up front.  c'est la 
vie

BTW @ Nate they are Velocity Dyads

I don't want to pile on the responsiveness of RH because of the time we are 
ineveryone gets a pass right now.

Stopping power wise they are among the most powerful rim brake I've 
experienced.  They are the most beautiful brake around and they have 
clearance for days.

Set up IMO is cantankerous, unless you do a lot of them perhaps?  One thing 
in particular that drove me nuts was the fact that the pinch bolt for the 
hanger is 7mm and you need front and back, the pinch bolt on the arm is 9mm 
and you need front and back and the brake pad nut is 10mm.  That's a lot of 
dang wrenches to fiddle with!

I'm a little burnt on these right now so I'll probably just ride those 
Jagwire pads until they need changing.  I'll try the black mafac pads 
somewhere down the line.


PS Here's some Bonus Info on the RH cantis.  I will save someone the 
headache if they aren't direction readers like me.  They require a 
particular post that is slightly recessed in the end.  That's because the 
RH bolts have a small shoulder where the threads transition to the bolt 
head (For "strength").  If you tighten them down on the wrong style brake 
post and fail to read the directionscongratulations!  You now have a 
brake for life because the last ~1mm of post has mushroomed around that 
shoulder trapping the brake arm on.  Ask me how I know 

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[RBW] On Topic / Off Topic

[rob markwardt]

Agree. 

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Lynn Haas]

SPDs here, usually M520s, although right now I have some dual-sided ones 
because I had romantic visions of hopping on my bike to run short errands 
in sneakers. Turns out, I rarely run short errands via bike and switching 
shoes is not a problem. The flat side of the pedal is further down than the 
SPD side and makes me hyperextend my leg. I also rarely wear sneakers but 
that's another story.

I have a gimpy hip and the clipless pedals keep my leg from flopping 
around. We have lots of bikes with flat pedals at work, and I've learned 
the hard way to stay off of them if I want to be able to walk the next day. 
I'm glad (but also sad) to hear that other people ride clipless for the 
same reason.

Lynn

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[RBW] On Topic / Off Topic

[William!]

Jim,
You deleted a post that linked to a fundraiser for BLM being organized by a 
member of *our* community. If you want to define that as out of bounds, you can 
count me out of *your* community. 

William

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[Joe Bernard]

I think what can work as a 'very upright' Brooks is mostly down to each 
person's anatomy, and somewhat which particular example of leather your saddle 
happened to come with. I also ride quite upright due to hand issues and find 
most B17s perfect for this, OTOH I have one new B17 Standard on my Brompton 
that seems determined to kill me. OTO-OTHER-H the B67/68 shape Leah's using to 
some success has never worked for me at all. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[Leah Peterson]

That’s kind, George, but I think what would help me is a wider saddle. Hope you 
can find a use for your S saddle. Thanks anyway!

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 5:21 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah - ever tried the Brooks B-17 "S" (standard)?  This is a much shorter 
> version of the regular B-17 or any of its variants.  If you're interested in 
> trying it I can send you one that I have in my parts boxes, no strings 
> attached.
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 7:05:12 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> George,
>> 
>> The same saddle in Select (a B17 with organic, undyed leather and copper 
>> rivets) seems to work fine - I don’t now why this Special is so troublesome. 
>> Would I prefer a wider Brooks? 
>> 
>> Youbetcha. 
>> 
>> But Brooks DC’d the wider B68 so it’s this or the stupid sprung B67. Heavy, 
>> creaky, and apparently useless to me since I don’t make the 175 lb weight 
>> requirement to activate the springs. Also, no copper rivets! Where are the 
>> redeeming qualities?
>> 
>> Leah
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 2, 2020, at 4:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> I'm kind of surprised that Leah would even attempt to use something like a 
>>> Brooks (Champion) Special saddle when she seems to prefer an upright riding 
>>> position such as some of the current Riv models she favors support.  I 
>>> currently use such a saddle on one of my road bikes, but I like it because 
>>> I ride with road bars and my body is more or less at a 45 degree angle with 
>>> respect to the frame/bars.  Currently, I myself am attempting to "break in" 
>>> a Brooks B-17 "narrow" and after 300-400 miles it's still not comfortable.  
>>> But such is life with road bars and saddles.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:21:44 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 I don’t have a parts bin because I don’t like extra things taking up space 
 that are not in use. Therefore, these things must go.
 
 1. Surly 24 pack rack. A poor man’s Nitto Basket Rack, I think. Rated for 
 load up to 30 lbs. There has been a recall on this rack, so ask your LBS 
 to get you the parts Surly made to fix the issue. Parts are free. Comes 
 with all the bolts, struts and instructions.  $150, new, yours for $95, 
 shipped.
 
 2. Brooks B17, Special. Try as I might, I have not been able to break this 
 saddle in. I have a B17 Select, fits me just great, but this one? 900 
 miles and I still haven’t conquered it. Has copper plated rails that show 
 a minimal amount of wear from being clamped onto my seat post. Lovely 
 copper rivets set off by ebony leather. Retails for $170, yours for $130, 
 shipped.
 
 PM me if interested.
 Thanks,
 Leah
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[George Schick]

Leah - ever tried the Brooks B-17 "S" (standard)?  This is a much shorter 
version of the regular B-17 or any of its variants.  If you're interested 
in trying it I can send you one that I have in my parts boxes, no strings 
attached.


On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 7:05:12 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George,
>
> The same saddle in Select (a B17 with organic, undyed leather and copper 
> rivets) seems to work fine - I don’t now why this Special is so 
> troublesome. Would I prefer a wider Brooks? 
>
> Youbetcha. 
>
> But Brooks DC’d the wider B68 so it’s this or the stupid sprung B67. 
> Heavy, creaky, and apparently useless to me since I don’t make the 175 lb 
> weight requirement to activate the springs. Also, no copper rivets! Where 
> are the redeeming qualities?
>
> Leah
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 4:47 PM, George Schick > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I'm kind of surprised that Leah would even attempt to use something like a 
> Brooks (Champion) Special saddle when she seems to prefer an upright riding 
> position such as some of the current Riv models she favors support.  I 
> currently use such a saddle on one of my road bikes, but I like it because 
> I ride with road bars and my body is more or less at a 45 degree angle with 
> respect to the frame/bars.  Currently, I myself am attempting to "break in" 
> a Brooks B-17 "narrow" and after 300-400 miles it's still not comfortable. 
>  But such is life with road bars and saddles.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:21:44 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t have a parts bin because I don’t like extra things taking up 
>> space that are not in use. Therefore, these things must go.
>>
>> 1. Surly 24 pack rack. A poor man’s Nitto Basket Rack, I think. Rated for 
>> load up to 30 lbs. There has been a recall on this rack, so ask your LBS to 
>> get you the parts Surly made to fix the issue. Parts are free. Comes with 
>> all the bolts, struts and instructions.  $150, new, yours for $95, shipped.
>>
>> 2. Brooks B17, Special. Try as I might, I have not been able to break 
>> this saddle in. I have a B17 Select, fits me just great, but this one? 900 
>> miles and I still haven’t conquered it. Has copper plated rails that show a 
>> minimal amount of wear from being clamped onto my seat post. Lovely copper 
>> rivets set off by ebony leather. Retails for $170, yours for $130, shipped.
>>
>> PM me if interested.
>> Thanks,
>> Leah
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Pedals

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  +1 for the Catalyst pedals. I had the original Catalyst pedals on 2 
bikes, and replaced them with the new EVO Catalyst pedals. These are the 
most comfortable pedals I've ever used.

John

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 2:09:18 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> I like platform pedals and to date the original Catalyst pedal by Pedaling 
> Innovations is my hands-down favorite. Haven’t tried the Evo. 
>
> https://pedalinginnovations.com/choose-your-pedals
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Patrick Moore > 
> wrote:
>
> All SPDs at this point, though I've tried too many kinds to count. XTs
> or XTRs on the commuter and dirt road bike, Dura Ace SPDs on the
> gofast.
>
> I actually like clips 'n' straps 'n' slotted cleats, particularly with
> the wonderfully well made MKS RX-1 pedals and their anniversary UBS
> Lite (MKS has some very weird nomenclature; I had a pair of cheap but
> very nice "Esprit" pedals) but since I ride even the gofast on the
> occasional dirt road, the SPDs work better. I found that entry and
> exit was considerably easier with slotted cleats and sem-tight straps
> than with KEOs.
>
> I find I need retention since I pull my foot off the pedal (or out of
> the shoe back when I wore slip-ons and clips / straps).
>
> I recall the early days of clipless pedals, when all sorts of new
> designs were being tried -- Grafton, Sampson are 2 I used; that weird
> one that consisted of a spindle with bearings and roller over the
> spindle, and "claw" cleats to grip the roller. Lightest pedal on
> market, though.
>
> Patrick Moore, who is also on a second pair of very retro, 1980s
> Shimano SPD shoes (thanks again to the donor!) -- most comfortable
> I've worn.
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:46 AM Doug Hansford  > wrote:
>
>
> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
> article below:
>
>
> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
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[RBW] On Topic / Off Topic

[Cyclofiend Jim]

The topic of this group has always been narrowly defined by design. 

Over the...what...13 years (the old rbw list migrated here to google groups 
in March of 2007) in which I've moderated the group, I've taken down all 
manner of threads which were off topic and got weirdly nasty. 

Mostly they were about SUV's or bait versus fly fishing, sometimes about 
helmets. Innocuous topics that suddenly lurched sideways. Good people 
saying hurtful things for little reason other than getting caught up in the 
call and response of the internet. I usually manage to get the nasty 
threads deleted, but sometimes run out of energy and time before I can get 
rid of others which are kind of on the bubble. That's not the same as tacit 
approval.

Before the COVID situation had developed into even a quarter of what it is 
now, we had an exceptionally nasty thread which expanded here. Caused folks 
to post some very angry things and leave. 

The current demonstrations and responses and actions are playing out on a 
scale I don't feel we can ever hope to cover in this group.In the short 
time following the original post, I deleted responses in the the moderation 
queue which had already crossed the line of civil discourse. Not to mention 
the growing debate simply about whether or not the post was on or off 
topic. 

There are plenty of places online to have those conversations. 

I do understand the anger and the pain and frustration going on right now. 
But there are much more appropriate venues to directly apply yourself to 
begin to address these issues in our culture than talking (or arguing) 
about them here.

Thank you to those of you who contacted me directly - some of you were 
concerned about the growing adversarial tone of comments, others the 
non-RBW content of the post. Others have asked directly why the thread was 
deleted. I hope this gives some insight to the decision. 

I guess I come back to the idea: the topic of this group has always been 
narrowly defined by design at the beginning.

Stay safe and act fairly. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[Leah Peterson]

George,

The same saddle in Select (a B17 with organic, undyed leather and copper 
rivets) seems to work fine - I don’t now why this Special is so troublesome. 
Would I prefer a wider Brooks? 

Youbetcha. 

But Brooks DC’d the wider B68 so it’s this or the stupid sprung B67. Heavy, 
creaky, and apparently useless to me since I don’t make the 175 lb weight 
requirement to activate the springs. Also, no copper rivets! Where are the 
redeeming qualities?

Leah



Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 4:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm kind of surprised that Leah would even attempt to use something like a 
> Brooks (Champion) Special saddle when she seems to prefer an upright riding 
> position such as some of the current Riv models she favors support.  I 
> currently use such a saddle on one of my road bikes, but I like it because I 
> ride with road bars and my body is more or less at a 45 degree angle with 
> respect to the frame/bars.  Currently, I myself am attempting to "break in" a 
> Brooks B-17 "narrow" and after 300-400 miles it's still not comfortable.  But 
> such is life with road bars and saddles.
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:21:44 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> I don’t have a parts bin because I don’t like extra things taking up space 
>> that are not in use. Therefore, these things must go.
>> 
>> 1. Surly 24 pack rack. A poor man’s Nitto Basket Rack, I think. Rated for 
>> load up to 30 lbs. There has been a recall on this rack, so ask your LBS to 
>> get you the parts Surly made to fix the issue. Parts are free. Comes with 
>> all the bolts, struts and instructions.  $150, new, yours for $95, shipped.
>> 
>> 2. Brooks B17, Special. Try as I might, I have not been able to break this 
>> saddle in. I have a B17 Select, fits me just great, but this one? 900 miles 
>> and I still haven’t conquered it. Has copper plated rails that show a 
>> minimal amount of wear from being clamped onto my seat post. Lovely copper 
>> rivets set off by ebony leather. Retails for $170, yours for $130, shipped.
>> 
>> PM me if interested.
>> Thanks,
>> Leah
>>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[George Schick]

I'm kind of surprised that Leah would even attempt to use something like a 
Brooks (Champion) Special saddle when she seems to prefer an upright riding 
position such as some of the current Riv models she favors support.  I 
currently use such a saddle on one of my road bikes, but I like it because 
I ride with road bars and my body is more or less at a 45 degree angle with 
respect to the frame/bars.  Currently, I myself am attempting to "break in" 
a Brooks B-17 "narrow" and after 300-400 miles it's still not comfortable. 
 But such is life with road bars and saddles.


On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:21:44 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I don’t have a parts bin because I don’t like extra things taking up space 
> that are not in use. Therefore, these things must go.
>
> 1. Surly 24 pack rack. A poor man’s Nitto Basket Rack, I think. Rated for 
> load up to 30 lbs. There has been a recall on this rack, so ask your LBS to 
> get you the parts Surly made to fix the issue. Parts are free. Comes with 
> all the bolts, struts and instructions.  $150, new, yours for $95, shipped.
>
> 2. Brooks B17, Special. Try as I might, I have not been able to break this 
> saddle in. I have a B17 Select, fits me just great, but this one? 900 miles 
> and I still haven’t conquered it. Has copper plated rails that show a 
> minimal amount of wear from being clamped onto my seat post. Lovely copper 
> rivets set off by ebony leather. Retails for $170, yours for $130, shipped.
>
> PM me if interested.
> Thanks,
> Leah
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Compass RTP tires, Ergon Grips

[Sam Crowe]

The RTP tires are sold. 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:41:06 PM UTC-7, Sam Crowe wrote:
>
> For sale is a pair of Rene Herse/Compass Rat Trap Pass tires, 26 x 2.3, 
> standard casing. The tires have roughly thirty miles on them. They are in 
> excellent condition. I am asking $100 shipped, or local pickup in Plumas 
> County CA for $90. 
>
> I also have a pair of used Ergon GA-3 grips, size small, I am selling for 
> $20 shipped. I bought them in February, and the noticeable wear is some 
> scuff marks on the bar end plugs. 
>
> $110 for both the tires and the grips. 
>
> I will make sure to give both items a cleaning before shipment. 
>
> Also, if you are interested I will throw in a free, old school park tool 
> ccp-4 cottered crank puller tool. Oh the memories! 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> Photos 
> Tires - 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JEVR7q0bc8ieiIRYDvc36zAolL4QTmuk/view?usp=drivesdk
>  
>
> Grips- 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QxwW1Or_YDYuBucn426VD_qEqt9Fi029 
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[RBW] Re: FS: VO/ Phil Wood 700c 36h Wheelset

[Joel Levin]

Whoops, good question. The rear is 135 spaced.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> 130 or 135 rear?

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[RBW] two rivendells for sale

[Robert Blunt]

Hello everyone,
With the pandemic induced economic downturn, I will have to let my bikes
go. I have a 55 cheviot that is literally brand new with less than ten
miles on it and includes the following build details:
Sugino xd2 cranks (26,36,48 I think), ahearne map bars, brooks leather
grips, nitto technomic stem, shimano brake levers, simworks potluck rack,
nitto seatpost, brooks sprung saddle, simworks hammered fenders, deore rear
derailleur, vintage campagnolo mtb front derailleur, paul thumbies, shimano
ultegra bar end shifters, grip king peddles, and tektro r559 brakes. The
wheelset is a generic 650b set I got off ebay and the tires are compass
babyshoe pass and are 650B x 42mm. I am asking $2000 plus shipping.

The craigslist listing for the cheviot is done but shoppok still has it
posted so you can see one image here:
https://www.shoppok.com/southjersey/a,28,230029,Rivendell-cheviot2200--Pennington-.htm
.

I would be happy to send additional photos to anyone who might be
interested. I am not very good with technology so I don't know how to
reduce photos to attach for the purposes of the group

I also have a 51cm Sam Hillborne, the black and creme one with canti
brakes. There is a small scuff on the top tube which was there when I
bought it from a list member otherwise the frame was new. The bike also has
fewer than ten miles on it. Build details
Sugino XD2 cranks (26, 36, 48), Nitto noodle bars (46cm), Nitto technomic
stem, shimano ultegra bar end shifters (9 peed), tektro brake levers and XC
interrupter levers as well. The wheel set is very nice: The front wheel has
a son28 front dynohub laced to a Pacenti Brevet 650B rim, and the rear
wheel consists of a White Industries MI5 laced to another Pacenti Brevet
rim (wheels are brand new). The dynohub powers a Schmidt Edelux light
mounted to the front rack. Tires are black Panaracer Gravel Kings. Nitto
front rack, and Nitto campee rack on the back. Old used small Sackville
trunk sack is on the front. Altus rear derailleur. IRD front derailleur.
The front brake is a Paul canti and the rear is a diacompe canti, tektro
brake levers. The seat post is a vintage Sakae SR MTE-100 which can adjust
horizontally pretty widely (basically the same design as IRD Wayback seat
post) . The saddle is a nicely broken in Brooks B-17. Burgundy cotton bar
tape, black Velo Orange fenders. Two leg touring kickstand. Grip King
pedals. I think that is everything. The bike has less than ten miles on it
also. I am asking 2800, plus shipping.

Again, I am happy to send photos to anyone who asks. Although not RIvy and
off topic, I am also selling a 2019 Trek Carbon Checkpoint with 105
component group, and an older Bike Friday Tandem. Thanks for your
consideration and please ask questions.
Best,
Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

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[RBW] WTB: Bar-con-able Upright Handlebar

[Jake Watters]

Hello looking for an upright handlebar that will accept bar end shifters if 
you have something kicking around. Could be Nitto or VO or Wald or 
whatever, no specific desires as of now, but a slight preference towards a 
MTB sized brake lever clamp diameter. Prefer pick-up in SF Bay Area, but 
could pay for shipping also. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 56cm

[Lee Kimball]

Hey Jeff, what's the asking price on this beauty? Also, I'm kind of a short 
fella (5'7" most days) — think the 56 might be too big for me? Thanks!

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 10:04:14 AM UTC-6, Jeff W wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_4128.jpg]
> Selling my Sam H. I love this bike but it's a tad large. I built it up as 
> a 3x9 with thumb shifters and Nitto North Coast bars. Super comfy, but I 
> want something that fits better. Can provide more info upon request! 
> (saddle and pedals not included, sorry)
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[RBW] Re: Roadini - 650b on bigger sizes?

[Adam Bowen]

That answers that! Thanks for the info!

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 10:50:23 AM UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> I bought a Roadini for the soul purpose of turning it to 650b, even got 
> Poppi's approval. Doesn't work :/ 
>
> The brakes front and rear have different reaches so only work with 47-57 
> mid reach w/ 700c wheels. 650b x 48 would've been too large anyhow though. 
> 38's had just enough clearance for me. 
>
> The silver lining is even when I ran the bike with 28mm supple tires, the 
> ride quality was just as smooth as my previous 650b'd build. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 11:04:11 AM UTC-5, Adam Bowen wrote:
>>
>> Hello! I was wondering if anyone had any experience with trying to shove 
>> in a 650x48 into a Roadini. Do you think it would work? or no clearance?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Adam
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Compass RTP tires, Ergon Grips

[Sam Crowe]

The crank puller is no longer available, thanks. 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:41:06 PM UTC-7, Sam Crowe wrote:
>
> For sale is a pair of Rene Herse/Compass Rat Trap Pass tires, 26 x 2.3, 
> standard casing. The tires have roughly thirty miles on them. They are in 
> excellent condition. I am asking $100 shipped, or local pickup in Plumas 
> County CA for $90. 
>
> I also have a pair of used Ergon GA-3 grips, size small, I am selling for 
> $20 shipped. I bought them in February, and the noticeable wear is some 
> scuff marks on the bar end plugs. 
>
> $110 for both the tires and the grips. 
>
> I will make sure to give both items a cleaning before shipment. 
>
> Also, if you are interested I will throw in a free, old school park tool 
> ccp-4 cottered crank puller tool. Oh the memories! 
>
> Thanks! 
>
> Photos 
> Tires - 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JEVR7q0bc8ieiIRYDvc36zAolL4QTmuk/view?usp=drivesdk
>  
>
> Grips- 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QxwW1Or_YDYuBucn426VD_qEqt9Fi029 
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[RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  +1 for Hexlox to secure components and racks.

   Two Abus Granite-X 540 D-locks to secure my bike in town. I have a Nitto 
32R or R14 rack on the back and secure my Abus D-locks with a Voile strap 
to the rack whenever I go out. Because even if I'm just out for a ride & 
fresh air, I'm always distracted by a farmers' market or a bakery or 
something.

John

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 56cm

[Jeff W]

Standover is 83cm with 700x42s mounted.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-6, Paul B wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> What is the standover on the bike (top of top tube to ground). :) 
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 6:23:37 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>>
>> Price?
>>
>> Ryan Hankinson
>> West Michigan
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan's post

[Steve Palincsar]

And now, based on list precedent, this subject is without the slightest 
shadow of a doubt *ON TOPIC*.


https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/late-may-12-platypus-controversy?_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJwYWxpbmNzc0BoaXMuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiTFZiNmFDIn0%3D


On 6/2/20 6:33 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:


RBW is a place where we talk about paleo fad diets and fishing rods, 
about brewing coffee and tea, about home grown organic tobacco and 
esoteric word salads generated by an artificial intelligence on 
psychedelics.   This is not Classic Rendezvous.  There's no On Topic 
Purity to be defended here.


On 6/2/20 6:07 PM, Garth wrote:
   This is a place to talk about bikes and related matter, not 
politics, religion or social issues . These are the group tenets and 
it's clear such posts that are clearly OT will be removed. I 
appreciate this greatly and that's a big reason why I'm still here.


  Posting such puts everyone on a no-win position ... a side  
you're either a this, or you're a that... and before you know here we 
go again with another chapter of dualing-isms of opinions posing as 
fact.


  Myself I consider it a blessing to be here without such discussions 
because they seem to so prevalent in so many other media outlets.






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[RBW] Re: Jan's post

[Garth]

You just did Steve. 

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[RBW] FS: Compass RTP tires, Ergon Grips

[saintruggler]

PM sent for the tires

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jan's post

[Steve Palincsar]

RBW is a place where we talk about paleo fad diets and fishing rods, 
about brewing coffee and tea, about home grown organic tobacco and 
esoteric word salads generated by an artificial intelligence on 
psychedelics.   This is not Classic Rendezvous.  There's no On Topic 
Purity to be defended here.


On 6/2/20 6:07 PM, Garth wrote:
   This is a place to talk about bikes and related matter, not 
politics, religion or social issues . These are the group tenets and 
it's clear such posts that are clearly OT will be removed. I 
appreciate this greatly and that's a big reason why I'm still here.


  Posting such puts everyone on a no-win position ... a side  
you're either a this, or you're a that... and before you know here we 
go again with another chapter of dualing-isms of opinions posing as fact.


  Myself I consider it a blessing to be here without such discussions 
because they seem to so prevalent in so many other media outlets.




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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Mark's and R-14, Ortlieb Panniers Set, Saddle, Restivus

[Tim Bantham]

All items sold. Thanks all!

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 11:41:04 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Front Panniers sold. Sale pending on rear panniers. 
>
> Patrick RE: The Restivus: I can't answer your question with certainty. I 
> had it mounted on a WTB saddle and it pointed slightly outward and down. It 
> worked perfectly. There may be more information on their website. 
>
> https://www.hobopieces.com/product/the-restuvus
>
> On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:31:45 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Tim: 2 questions. 
>>
>> 1. The Restivus bag attachment: When you bolt it to the rails of a 
>> modern saddle like a Flite, with rails that slant up in back at an 
>> obtuse angle from the horizontal clamped part -- ie, not like those of 
>> the B 17 which at the rear are almost vertical --  do the loops point 
>> downward or horizontally rearward? 
>>
>> 2. On the Packer Pluses the photos show what might look like scuffing 
>> or fading; or the light areas might be sunlight. Is the color uniform 
>> throughout? 
>>
>> Thanks. 
>>
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 6:26 AM Tim Bantham  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > A gentle nudge to see if there is any interest in the Ortieb panniers 
>> or Restivus before I post for sale elsewhere. Thanks for looking! 
>> > 
>> > Tim 
>> > 
>> > On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 6:07:31 AM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Both racks sold as well as the saddle. The panniers and restivus 
>> saddle loop are still available. 
>> >> 
>> >> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Sale pending on Mark's and WTB saddle. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote: 
>>  
>>  Hello Riv Friends, 
>>  
>>  Looking to move a few items that I am no longer using. 
>>  
>>  Nitto Mark's Rack M1 - $90 Shipped Lower 48 
>>  
>>  Nitto R14 Rear Rack - $100 Shipped Lower 48 
>>  
>>  Hobo Pieces Restivus Saddle Loops - $40 shipped Lower 48 
>>  
>>  WTB SST Like new. These are a nice alternative to a leather saddle 
>> if this is what you prefer. The WTB SST is a classic that is no longer 
>> made. Like new condition $25 shipped Lower 48 
>>  
>>  Ortleib Bike Packer Plus Rear Panniers - $125 Pair plus actual 
>> shipping costs 
>>  
>>  Ortleib Sport Packer Plus Front Panniers - $100 Pair plus actual 
>> shipping costs. 
>>  
>>  Entire pannier set front and rear $200 plus shipping. 
>>  
>>  The Panniers are really nice. These are the PLUS which is the 
>> cordura material with drawstring closure and map pockets on the rear. A 
>> nice upgrade from the Classic. Very good condition used only for one week 
>> long trip and a couple of overnighters last year. Exceptionally waterproof, 
>> time tested, and proven the world over. 
>>  
>>  PayPal preferred. With prices net to me. Thanks for looking! 
>>  
>>  See below link for photos. 
>>  
>>  https://photos.app.goo.gl/5K8hK9NSo91bfXLp8 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
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[RBW] Re: Jan's post

[Garth]

 
   This is a place to talk about bikes and related matter, not politics, 
religion or social issues . These are the group tenets and it's clear such 
posts that are clearly OT will be removed. I appreciate this greatly and 
that's a big reason why I'm still here. 

  Posting such puts everyone on a no-win position ... a side  you're 
either a this, or you're a that... and before you know here we go again 
with another chapter of dualing-isms of opinions posing as fact.  

  Myself I consider it a blessing to be here without such discussions 
because they seem to so prevalent in so many other media outlets.   

  

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Joe Bernard]

I have these on all my bikes. Big and work great with the running shoes I use. 

https://www.analogcycles.com/product/deity-black-kat-pedals/

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Re: [RBW] Jan's post

[Joe Bernard]

The moderator can be contacted privately about why the thread is gone. I don't 
think this new thread is helpful. 

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 10:46:34 AM UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
> article below:
>
> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>
>
I haven't tried too many different pedals, but I've settled on a few:

   - If I'm going to get clipped in, and don't expect to be walking much, I 
   use Time Impact or RXS pedals. I used to use Speedplay X series pedals, but 
   a friend gave me a set of then top-of-the-line Impact Mg-Ti pedals, and I 
   prefer their modest amounts of both lateral and rotational float. In 
   addition, the cleats are fairly walkable (for a road cleat), are fairly 
   inexpensive, and last quite a while. Having good experience with the Impact 
   pedals, I bought the successor RXS pedals to try out (Impacts were 
   discontinued then), and was pleasantly surprised that they feel similar to 
   the Impacts. I also found out that newer Impact cleats can even be used on 
   RXS pedals, which is nice.
   - If I'm going to get clipped in, and suspect that there may be a bit of 
   hike-a-bike, I use Shimano SPD pedals (mostly XTR) with the multi-release 
   cleat. The best review I can give them is I don't worry about them.
   - For my pedaling-free pedals, I have a mix of MKS RMX and Rivendell's 
   el-cheapo Clem Smith pedals. I tried other MKS offerings including the 
   "Grip King", but didn't like them. My feet prefer the wide, squarish, 
   somewhat concave platforms. I would have preferred the roller/ball bearing 
   setup of the Time pedals on these platform pedals, but I appreciate these 
   are just optimizations that feed the geek/nerd mind more than actually 
   making real-world differences.
   - I still have a few Shimano "dual platform" PD-A530 pedals, but I found 
   that they're not easy to flip to the correct side when starting off. I've 
   since transitioned to full platforms for commuting and/or utility riding, 
   so they are essentially abandoned now.

 The common theme I found with all these pedals is that they are reliable, 
and dependable. I seldom have to think about them, although I always 
lube+adjust new MKS pedals before putting them into service. For the 
clipless pedals, the cleats' failure mode is gradual, which gives me plenty 
of warning, contributes to them being dependable. Of course, Shimano 
multi-release and Time Impact/RXS cleats are still easily available.

>

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[RBW] FS: VO/ Phil Wood 700c 36h Wheelset

[Dave Grossman]

130 or 135 rear?

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Re: [RBW] Jan's post

[Patrick Moore]

I meant to keep my mouth shut on this thread, but the remark below is
offensive. I say this as an again **Asian Mestizo** man (who grew up in
Africa, if that makes a difference to anything).

Moderator, please kill this thread. It's not the racial remarks that are
offensive, it's the low level of discourse, and I don't refer only to
"Schwartz" -- wish people would sign their names.

Patrick Moore, aging, white, Filipino, ex-pat, long-time BQ subscriber, and
disgruntled.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:27 PM j.schwartz  wrote:

> ...
> I suspect this group is comprised of *mostly* older white men.   That is
> important to keep in check when analyzing why this post may have been
> removed.
> I would like to know why it is gone.
> I do hope Jan removed it himself.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jason Fuller]

I'm just a couple hours north of that area; this is the north shore 
mountains above Vancouver, BC.  I wish we had the beautiful network of 
forest roads that WA has!  I envy the rides I read about in BQ, although 
our terrain is closely matched.  We have very few public forestry roads 
near town, and of them most are dominated by dirt bikes and 4-wheelers.. 

Minimum clearances to the Rosé is about 5mm to the rear stay bridge and 4mm 
either side of the fork crown. These tires shed mud pretty well so I'd say 
it's no concern! 

On Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:04:14 UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> Where is that? The foggy and surprisingly steep slopes in the background 
> makes me think of Ashford, WA area.
>
> Also, what's the clearance like for those tires on the Sam? Enough to 
> handle some mud or no?
>
> Thanks,
> Collin, wishing he had some steep local hills in Sac
>

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Re: [RBW] Jan's post

[Timothy Hurley]

Agreed, it’s weak if the moderator took it down.

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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Doug Hansford]

Leah,
I could use a good laugh so post your photo! Just kidding, form follows 
function should be the rule for sunglasses.
Doug

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Hi guys, 
>
> I had already impulse purchased the clear glasses when I wrote this post. 
> I had tried my shooting glasses but they didn’t seat well under my helmet, 
> bounced up and down and they weren’t optically correct, so it made things 
> worse and I tossed them in my bag after minutes of wearing them and went 
> bare-faced instead. As soon as I got home I went to Oakley’s website and 
> ordered a pair of Radar Pitch glasses with clear lenses. I knew they would 
> play well with my helmet (so many cyclists wear them), they were 20% off 
> and I was just so completely fed up with not having night glasses that I 
> plunked down the money. 
>
> But then that brought me to sunglasses. Once I read sunglasses reviews and 
> saw that people were saying things like: 
> ~I don’t have wind making my eyes tear anymore 
>
> ~I don’t have sun coming in through the top of my glasses 
>
> ~I can see images crisply on the road [Oakley’s Prism technology] 
>
> ~My peripheral vision is so much better with the wraparound 
>
> ~My glasses don’t bounce around on my runs anymore, they stay put 
>
> Well, THAT was when I realized I have all those same issues with lifestyle 
> sunglasses. And I live in the desert with like 300 days of sun, and there 
> isn’t a day that goes by that I am not outside exercising in it. Running, 
> biking, swimming, walking. I was accustomed to the above annoyances, but 
> now I don’t have to be. I’m going to look a *little* rad, not a lot rad, 
> and that seems like a fair trade-off. I did buy a pair of sunglasses that 
> were really on sale and if you behave yourselves and refrain from laughing 
> and pointing, I might just show them to you. 藍 
>
> Lone Wolf Leah

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Doug Hansford]

Steve,
I have tried the Shimano pedals with SPD on one side and flat on the other 
and could never get comfortable using them. The pedal always seemed to have 
the side I needed facing downward. Thanks for the feedback.
Doug

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 4:46:44 PM UTC-4, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> As on so many things, I'm of two minds.  I want to be able to jump on my 
> bike and run some errands without worrying about what shoes I'm wearing.  I 
> find, however, for longer planned pleasure rides being clipped in gives me 
> a sense of security.  I would also add that living in an urban area, SPDs 
> allow me to not worry about starting up from a stop.  I simply don't need 
> to make certain the pedal is in a specific location, e.g., 10 a.m..  
>
> My answer has been to equip my bikes with pedals that give me the options 
> I want, one side SPD, the other flat.  My favorite, although not cheap, is 
> the Shimano XT PD-T8000.  Unlike every other pedal I've used, when I 
> unclip, they rotate to vertical and allow me to easily switch to flats, 
> which I do when I'm stopping, or continue with the SPDs.  Good luck on you 
> search.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:46:34 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
>> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
>> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
>> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
>> article below:
>>
>> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>>
>> Doug Hansford
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Jan's post

[Doug Hansford]

Would you come to the defense of a post supporting a cause you don’t believe 
in? Just wondering if your outrage would be evenly applied to other causes. 
Doug

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 5:27 PM, j.schwartz  wrote:
> 
> 
> It appears that Jan's post was taken down.  Either he took it down himself or 
> the moderator did.
> 
> For those of you that missed it , Jan is offering to pass on the revenue from 
> Bicycle Quarterly subscriptions to Black Lives Matter 
> LINK HERE
> 
> If his original post was taken down by anyone other than Jan,  I find this 
> deeply disturbing.
> 
> There are currently active posts on this RBW Owners Bunch google group 
> related to fly fishing rods, "wrenching for the homeless" , Nikon cameras and 
> someone seeing advice on a recumbent bike for their dad
> 
> None of those are really in line with what this group is supposed to discuss. 
> 
> Jan is offering a magazine that most, if not all, members would be interested 
> in and letting the group know that currently he's donating those funds to an 
> organization.Grant has done similar promotions to inspire his customer 
> base to buy items that would benefit a cause.
> 
> If the cause Jan is supporting doesn't appeal to you, then don't buy the 
> magazines.   But, if this group can't handle the content of Jans' post or is 
> somehow offended by the prospect of supporting Black Lives Matter, then that 
> is a sad reflection on the nature of this online community.
> 
> I suspect this group is comprised of mostly older white men.   That is 
> important to keep in check when analyzing why this post may have been 
> removed. 
> I would like to know why it is gone.  
> I do hope Jan removed it himself.
> 
> 
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[RBW] Jan's post

[j.schwartz]

It appears that Jan's post was taken down.  Either he took it down himself 
or the moderator did.

For those of you that missed it , Jan is offering to pass on the revenue 
from Bicycle Quarterly subscriptions to Black Lives Matter 
LINK HERE 


If his original post was taken down by anyone other than Jan,  I find this 
deeply disturbing.

There are currently active posts on this RBW Owners Bunch google group 
related to fly fishing rods, "wrenching for the homeless" , Nikon cameras 
and someone seeing advice on a recumbent bike for their dad

None of those are really in line with what this group is supposed to 
discuss. 

Jan is offering a magazine that most, if not all, members would be 
interested in and letting the group know that currently he's donating those 
funds to an organization.Grant has done similar promotions to inspire 
his customer base to buy items that would benefit a cause.

If the cause Jan is supporting doesn't appeal to you, then don't buy the 
magazines.   But, if this group can't handle the content of Jans' post or 
is somehow offended by the prospect of supporting Black Lives Matter, then 
that is a sad reflection on the nature of this online community.

I suspect this group is comprised of *mostly* older white men.   That is 
important to keep in check when analyzing why this post may have been 
removed. 
I would like to know why it is gone.  
I do hope Jan removed it himself.



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[RBW] WTB: Clem H or L 52

[Doug Hansford]

I'll try again even though these are hard to find. I'm wanting a frame but 
will take a complete bike. I plan to buy the upcoming Platypus but since 
that won't be until years end I would like a frame to build up. If you have 
a Clem H, or Clem L in 52 and are looking to sell, let me know. Would also 
consider aCheviot, Atlantis or Rosco Bubbe. I'm really just itching to 
build a bike up.
Doug Hansford

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Re: [RBW] Re: BMX Nostalgia

[Doug H.]

Oh, and in 1979 I was 11 turning 12 so I doubt we raced each other.
Doug

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 4:40 PM Taz Taylor  wrote:

> Doug - what class did you race and how long?
>
> I raced in Griffin, Powder Springs and Peachtree City in 1980 and '81.  16
> and up beginner, then 16/over novice for me.  Mostly rode a Mongoose but
> had a Redline towards the latter days.
>
> - Taz
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:12:45 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> I remember my first BMX race in 1979 I used a paper plate (the wax coated
>> kind of course) as my number plate although I really wanted a Haro plate.
>> It was in Griffin Ga I think. And I wore my motorcycle helmet. Times were
>> tough! Haha. But, I had a nice Mongoose bike and placed for a really small
>> trophy.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:47:37 AM UTC-4, greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
>>> BMX Plus, so awesome, or should I say, radical, totally forgot about
>>> that magazine. Also, forgot about the full on BMX racing suits, the Haro
>>> number plates, and Oakley B1B's, of which, everyone had to have.
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 9:52:28 AM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:

 I found a website with uploaded copies of old BMX magazines circa 1979
 through the 80s. Looking at these takes me down memory lane, I'm sure I had
 some of these magazines at the time. It's fun to read the stories and the
 ads are funny and interesting. Take a look at one or two if you have
 interest...and memories.

 BMX Magazines 

 Doug Hansford
 Watkinsville, GA


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Re: [RBW] Re: BMX Nostalgia

[Doug H.]

Hi Taz,
We likely raced the same tracks. I raced during 1979 and 80 a few times
each year. I always raced beginner class and was never a serious racer for
sure. A buddy of mine raced expert and took home lots of trophies. What
about you?
Doug

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 4:40 PM Taz Taylor  wrote:

> Doug - what class did you race and how long?
>
> I raced in Griffin, Powder Springs and Peachtree City in 1980 and '81.  16
> and up beginner, then 16/over novice for me.  Mostly rode a Mongoose but
> had a Redline towards the latter days.
>
> - Taz
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:12:45 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> I remember my first BMX race in 1979 I used a paper plate (the wax coated
>> kind of course) as my number plate although I really wanted a Haro plate.
>> It was in Griffin Ga I think. And I wore my motorcycle helmet. Times were
>> tough! Haha. But, I had a nice Mongoose bike and placed for a really small
>> trophy.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:47:37 AM UTC-4, greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
>>> BMX Plus, so awesome, or should I say, radical, totally forgot about
>>> that magazine. Also, forgot about the full on BMX racing suits, the Haro
>>> number plates, and Oakley B1B's, of which, everyone had to have.
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 9:52:28 AM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:

 I found a website with uploaded copies of old BMX magazines circa 1979
 through the 80s. Looking at these takes me down memory lane, I'm sure I had
 some of these magazines at the time. It's fun to read the stories and the
 ads are funny and interesting. Take a look at one or two if you have
 interest...and memories.

 BMX Magazines 

 Doug Hansford
 Watkinsville, GA


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Re: [RBW] Pedals

[Jay Lonner]

I like platform pedals and to date the original Catalyst pedal by Pedaling 
Innovations is my hands-down favorite. Haven’t tried the Evo. 

https://pedalinginnovations.com/choose-your-pedals

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Jun 2, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> All SPDs at this point, though I've tried too many kinds to count. XTs
> or XTRs on the commuter and dirt road bike, Dura Ace SPDs on the
> gofast.
> 
> I actually like clips 'n' straps 'n' slotted cleats, particularly with
> the wonderfully well made MKS RX-1 pedals and their anniversary UBS
> Lite (MKS has some very weird nomenclature; I had a pair of cheap but
> very nice "Esprit" pedals) but since I ride even the gofast on the
> occasional dirt road, the SPDs work better. I found that entry and
> exit was considerably easier with slotted cleats and sem-tight straps
> than with KEOs.
> 
> I find I need retention since I pull my foot off the pedal (or out of
> the shoe back when I wore slip-ons and clips / straps).
> 
> I recall the early days of clipless pedals, when all sorts of new
> designs were being tried -- Grafton, Sampson are 2 I used; that weird
> one that consisted of a spindle with bearings and roller over the
> spindle, and "claw" cleats to grip the roller. Lightest pedal on
> market, though.
> 
> Patrick Moore, who is also on a second pair of very retro, 1980s
> Shimano SPD shoes (thanks again to the donor!) -- most comfortable
> I've worn.
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:46 AM Doug Hansford  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me to 
>> thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals after 
>> using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. My 
>> current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
>> article below:
>> 
>> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>> 
>> Doug Hansford
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Toshi Takeuchi]

All my glasses are photochromic, and I haven't noticed any performance
degradation, but there is sure to be some degradation due to the chemistry
that is involved, which is never 100% reversible.

Toshi


On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:07 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've read that photochromatic lenses lose their ability to change shades
> as they age. Is this true? Would be happy to learn that it's no longer
> true, as I much prefer transition lenses to having to swap out lenses
> manually.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:18 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> I have clear transition lenses that darken when UV light hits them.  They
>> are getting better and some versions can even transition inside of cars to
>> some extent using light intensity to darken.  The ones I have are Rudy
>> Project, which are expensive, but I had paid for them with my Rx plan and
>> flexible spending.  The cheaper option may be to get sunglasses with
>> interchangeable lenses, which is a good choice.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words
>>> I need to get out.
>>>
>>> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have
>>> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The
>>> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles
>>> in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes
>>> to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic,
>>> white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun.
>>> I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding
>>> gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I
>>> never leave without sunglasses.
>>>
>>> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I
>>> took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by
>>> bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to
>>> get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I
>>> pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in
>>> the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra
>>> riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I
>>> had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which
>>> was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died
>>> because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was
>>> pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling.
>>> Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye
>>> swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.)
>>>
>>> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I
>>> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and
>>> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was
>>> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons:
>>>
>>> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad.
>>>
>>> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally
>>> settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a
>>> sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous,
>>> either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too
>>> rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye
>>> protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs,
>>> and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage -
>>> esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the
>>> glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my
>>> bike.
>>>
>>> *I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while
>>> riding? I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg,
>>> either. *
>>>
>>> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled
>>> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf.
>>> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck
>>> bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y.
>>>
>>> *Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you
>>> have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling
>>> sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a
>>> factor here. *
>>>
>>> Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a
>>> couple weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Collin A]

Where is that? The foggy and surprisingly steep slopes in the background 
makes me think of Ashford, WA area.

Also, what's the clearance like for those tires on the Sam? Enough to 
handle some mud or no?

Thanks,
Collin, wishing he had some steep local hills in Sac

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Here's a photo of my Hillborne swapped to Gravel Peterson mode, and a 
> photo of where it took me (well it took me a lot further than this but this 
> is a neat spot).  50km of non-technical singletrack and forestry service 
> roads; my favourite local loop. 
>

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[RBW] WTB: 58cm Joe Appaloosa

[Matthew Williams]

Hi all, I'm looking for a 58cm Joe Appaloosa, with the double top-tubes.

Either a frameset or a full bike is okay.

I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area and I can arrange shipping.

Thanks, everyone!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Jay Lonner]

I have one of these. The Achilles’ heel is the very narrow portion of the key 
at its end. There’s not a lot of material there, and I managed to torque it 
right off, leaving the tip in the lock. A locksmith was able to retrieve this 
fragment, but I haven’t used this lock since, reverting to the Abus cable lock 
that Riv is carrying again. 

While I live in a high bike theft area (per my LBS) I suspect that the Riv-ness 
of my Hunq (diagatube, fenders, racks/basket, saddlebag, “obsolete” mechanical 
systems like rim brakes and friction shifting) help it hide in plain sight - by 
contemporary standards there’s nothing to attract the attention of the sort of 
professional bike thieves that can defeat pretty much any lock. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 1:38 PM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> A second for the Granit X Plus.  I live in Washington DC and use it along 
> with Pitlocks on my Ram and with the Abus locking skewers on my Sam.  It is 
> heavy-ish, but I'm not racing.
> 
> I also have an Otto Lock for my racy bike when I lock it up for a few 
> minutes.  I could see using the 3 foot Otto on a front wheel and the Granit X 
> on the rear and dispense with the axle locks.
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 4:05:48 PM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>> 
>>> What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up in?
>> 
>> I have a handful of nice locks as I've been trying them out, but I 
>> eventually settled on the Abus Brodo, although mine is the burly Granit 
>> X-plus variant. I like it because it is secure (lock mechanism was 
>> well-reviewed by TheLockPickingLawyer), it is compact when not in use, and 
>> it works well enough for locking my Wilbury up at local grocery stores, 
>> Target, and such. I like it so much that I got my son an identical one for 
>> his new-to-him Atlantis, that he rides to and locks up at school. Note that 
>> I've equipped the bikes that get locked up with Pitlocks, security bolts, 
>> and strategically placed ball bearings locked in with beeswax, so the locks 
>> are only used to secure the frame to whatever immovable object.
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Re: [RBW] Pedals

[Patrick Moore]

All SPDs at this point, though I've tried too many kinds to count. XTs
or XTRs on the commuter and dirt road bike, Dura Ace SPDs on the
gofast.

I actually like clips 'n' straps 'n' slotted cleats, particularly with
the wonderfully well made MKS RX-1 pedals and their anniversary UBS
Lite (MKS has some very weird nomenclature; I had a pair of cheap but
very nice "Esprit" pedals) but since I ride even the gofast on the
occasional dirt road, the SPDs work better. I found that entry and
exit was considerably easier with slotted cleats and sem-tight straps
than with KEOs.

I find I need retention since I pull my foot off the pedal (or out of
the shoe back when I wore slip-ons and clips / straps).

I recall the early days of clipless pedals, when all sorts of new
designs were being tried -- Grafton, Sampson are 2 I used; that weird
one that consisted of a spindle with bearings and roller over the
spindle, and "claw" cleats to grip the roller. Lightest pedal on
market, though.

Patrick Moore, who is also on a second pair of very retro, 1980s
Shimano SPD shoes (thanks again to the donor!) -- most comfortable
I've worn.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:46 AM Doug Hansford  wrote:
>
> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me to 
> thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals after 
> using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. My 
> current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
> article below:
>
> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>
> Doug Hansford
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Roadini - Orange and Athena!

[Damien]

Sold! Just began it's long voyage from Ontario to its new owner in New 
Mexico! Thanks everyone

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Steve Cole]

Doug,

As on so many things, I'm of two minds.  I want to be able to jump on my 
bike and run some errands without worrying about what shoes I'm wearing.  I 
find, however, for longer planned pleasure rides being clipped in gives me 
a sense of security.  I would also add that living in an urban area, SPDs 
allow me to not worry about starting up from a stop.  I simply don't need 
to make certain the pedal is in a specific location, e.g., 10 a.m..  

My answer has been to equip my bikes with pedals that give me the options I 
want, one side SPD, the other flat.  My favorite, although not cheap, is 
the Shimano XT PD-T8000.  Unlike every other pedal I've used, when I 
unclip, they rotate to vertical and allow me to easily switch to flats, 
which I do when I'm stopping, or continue with the SPDs.  Good luck on you 
search.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:46:34 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
> article below:
>
> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>
> Doug Hansford
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals

[Kent Peterson -- Eugene, Oregon]

Here's a pedal that I've found to be very comfortable:

https://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2011/07/sasquatch-pedals-ergon-pc2s.html

And, from eleven years ago, here's my long-winded take on the whole pedal 
question:

http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/03/which-pedals-should-i-buy.html

Keep those pedals turning,

Kent Peterson
Eugene, OR USA

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[RBW] WTB Nitto M18 rack

[Greg Murphy]

Hello! Looking to find a Nitto M18 front rack. Looking to pay $80

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[RBW] Re: bike and paddle

[Heather Hayes]

This is amazing!! Biking and paddling are my two favorite activities, and 
I've often joked about how to possibly combine the two. Now I know it is 
indeed possible! 


On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 11:54:05 AM UTC-4, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> TLDR: Paddling is fun exercise, and strapping a bike to a paddle board can 
> make for fun one way paddling trips.
>
>
>
> Biking is my main form of exercise. Over the years I've noticed my legs 
> stay strong, while my upper body becomes skinnier and weaker. I started 
> swimming again, and that's been a wonderful upper body workout. But I can't 
> swim anymore with the COVID restrictions.
>
>
> I bought a stand up paddleboard (SUP) to take on the river near my house 
> and I love it! It provides many of the same joys as biking- exploring 
> nature, solitude, a sensation of speed, the challenge of navigating 
> terrain. Unlike cycling, it's a great full body workout- most of the power 
> in the stroke comes from twisting your torso.
>
>
> It's much more fun to go downriver than upriver, so I bought a bike to 
> pull the board upriver, then strap on the board and float/paddle downriver. 
> This makes logistics much easier compared to having someone drop me off. 
> The bike is a $100 used bike from Craigslist, a Public single speed, which 
> I actually like a lot. It's probably as close to a Rivendell as you'll get 
> for $100. I'm not going to risk dunking my Rivendell :)
>
>
> Paddling with the bike strapped on the board worked much better than I 
> thought it would. There's no difference in balance or my paddle stroke. The 
> only difference I can tell is that I stand more forward on the board to 
> offset the weight in the back. I switched the direction of the bike from 
> the image below, so that I could sit down on the board and lean my back 
> against the top tube to drink coffee from a Thermos. It was the most scenic 
> cup of coffee I've ever had, just floating through the gently rippling 
> water, watching the fish swim underneath me.
>
>
> I considered a kayak or a canoe, but I'm glad I chose the paddleboard for 
> strapping the bike. Compared to other choices, the paddle board provides a 
> wide, stable platform to strap down a full size bike. Two straps makes the 
> load solid. I didn't have to remove or adjust a single component on the 
> bike, which makes it easier to sneak in a quick trip before the kids wake 
> up. The paddleboard weighs 22 lbs, which makes it easier to tow on a bike 
> than the other heavier options. I did get stuck on a rock while floating 
> through a small rapid- the water was flowing over the bike and the board- 
> this could have swamped a different boat, but I was able to pull the board 
> away without much trouble.
>
>
> [image: bike_paddle.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] WTB - Nigel Smythe Saddle Bag

[Kyle Altshuler]

Hi guys,

First time poster here. 

I am looking to buy a Nigel Smythe green tweed saddle bag. I have a 
smallish one on the handlebars of my Clem H and would love to match one on 
the rear as well.

Thank you 

K

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[RBW] Re: BMX Nostalgia

[Taz Taylor]

Doug - what class did you race and how long?

I raced in Griffin, Powder Springs and Peachtree City in 1980 and '81.  16 
and up beginner, then 16/over novice for me.  Mostly rode a Mongoose but 
had a Redline towards the latter days.

- Taz

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:12:45 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> I remember my first BMX race in 1979 I used a paper plate (the wax coated 
> kind of course) as my number plate although I really wanted a Haro plate. 
> It was in Griffin Ga I think. And I wore my motorcycle helmet. Times were 
> tough! Haha. But, I had a nice Mongoose bike and placed for a really small 
> trophy.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:47:37 AM UTC-4, greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>> BMX Plus, so awesome, or should I say, radical, totally forgot about that 
>> magazine. Also, forgot about the full on BMX racing suits, the Haro number 
>> plates, and Oakley B1B's, of which, everyone had to have.
>> Scott
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 9:52:28 AM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>>
>>> I found a website with uploaded copies of old BMX magazines circa 1979 
>>> through the 80s. Looking at these takes me down memory lane, I'm sure I had 
>>> some of these magazines at the time. It's fun to read the stories and the 
>>> ads are funny and interesting. Take a look at one or two if you have 
>>> interest...and memories.
>>>
>>> BMX Magazines 
>>>
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Watkinsville, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Center pull/Herse Brake Help

[James McKinley]

I ordered those brakes on a custom build. The builder told me when I took 
possession that he had had poor or no response from Heine on problems with 
brake squeal. He ended up putting Kool Stop pads on the brakes. They've 
worked well for me, with occasional scuffing of the surface during 
maintenance chores. Contrary to sales statements from RH, I haven't found 
them to be superior to the cantilever brakes I have on a very similar bike; 
there's a bit of squishy feel to them. IMO they weren't worth the extra 
cost.

-- Jim



On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 3:59:54 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> Hoping you can help me with your center pull knowledge
>
> Before I start, I tried Jan Heine/RH  but I think they are on light staff 
> and I haven't heard back.
>
>
> I've got a pair of direct-mount Herse center pulls on my Homer that I 
> cannot, for the life of me, get the squeal out (rear only).  
>
>
>
> Here's some things that I've done to try and eliminate the squeal and some 
> general info.
>
> 1. There was some significant deflection of the stay under hard braking so 
> I had a friend machine a brake booster. Now there is zero deflection. No 
> change.
>
> 2.  I get squeal pretty much as soon as the pads touch the rim under any 
> amount of brake pressure.  (Also, off the bike, using the brake lever 
> engaging the brake and pushing the bike forward under very light pressure).
>
> 3.  Interestingly if I squeeze the pads by hand and move the bike forward 
> in the same fashion, no squeal.
>
> 4. I must be dampening some kind of vibration in doing so?
>
> 5. Toe-in has been increased to the point it cannot be possibly be the 
> issue? both pads are hitting at the exact same time, both pads are all the 
> way "back" in the holder (closest to the arm)
>
> 6. I've taken a file to the brake pads to remove any contamination (any 
> time I try something new I hit the pads with a file to eliminate them as a 
> culprit)
>
> 7. I've cleaned the rims with alcohol (after every iteration of 
> troubleshooting)
>
> 8. I've burnished the rims even though they are brand new Velocity Dyads 
> (followed by righteous cleaning)  I've done this at several levels of 
> "intensity"  
>
>
> Anyone have any tips/tricks I can try?  
>
> I'd hate to use a different pad because the Herse pads/holders are so 
> beautiful but that's probably next on my list.
>
> I haven't changed the straddle cable length or experimented with that yet.
>
>
> Thank you so much!!!  This will make my month if I/we can figure this 
> out...
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alex in Rochester, NY
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Compass RTP tires, Ergon Grips

[Sam Crowe]

For sale is a pair of Rene Herse/Compass Rat Trap Pass tires, 26 x 2.3, 
standard casing. The tires have roughly thirty miles on them. They are in 
excellent condition. I am asking $100 shipped, or local pickup in Plumas County 
CA for $90. 

I also have a pair of used Ergon GA-3 grips, size small, I am selling for $20 
shipped. I bought them in February, and the noticeable wear is some scuff marks 
on the bar end plugs. 

$110 for both the tires and the grips. 

I will make sure to give both items a cleaning before shipment. 

Also, if you are interested I will throw in a free, old school park tool ccp-4 
cottered crank puller tool. Oh the memories!

Thanks!

Photos
Tires - 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JEVR7q0bc8ieiIRYDvc36zAolL4QTmuk/view?usp=drivesdk

Grips- https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QxwW1Or_YDYuBucn426VD_qEqt9Fi029

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[RBW] Center pull/Herse Brake Help

[natearm089]

You’ve tried pretty much everything I can think of. You didn’t mention the rim 
model. There sometimes seems to be incompatibility between rim and brake pad 
material. I assume you’re running the salmon Kool Stop pads. How about trying 
the black compound, which has a little less friction?
Nate

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[RBW] Re: Center pull/Herse Brake Help

[Dan Vee]

Don’t know much about the squeal but was wondering how anyone who has these 
brakes likes them?

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Re: [RBW] FS: 57 Grilver Roadini f/f/hs + extras - $700 shipped

[Kyle Altshuler]

Just too big! Looking for 54cm for same price. Have 83.5 PBH

Will be gorgeous for whomever buys it

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> On May 30, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Erik Wright  wrote:
> 
> Bump & price drop, $650 shipped
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 56cm

[Jeff W]

Here's some more details:

   - I'm located in the Denver area
   - Top-Tube measures 56cm
   - Standover is 83cm
   - Shimano Deore Crankset, Deraileurs, Hubs
   - Sunrace Thumb shifters
   - Tektro Long Reach Brakes
   - Soma Rack (front)
   - Nitto Rack (rear)
   - Specialized Sawtooth 700x42 tires

Asking $1400, open to offers, willing to ship!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 56cm

[Paul B]

Hello!

What is the standover on the bike (top of top tube to ground). :) 

Thank you!

On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 6:23:37 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Price?
>
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Ian Terry]

I've been riding in a pair of Keyholes by Kent Wang. $60, polarized, and 
very nice looking IMO. 

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 5:26:58 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I 
> need to get out.
>
> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles 
> in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes 
> to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, 
> white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. 
> I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding 
> gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I 
> never leave without sunglasses. 
>
> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I 
> took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by 
> bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to 
> get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I 
> pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in 
> the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra 
> riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I 
> had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which 
> was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died 
> because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was 
> pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. 
> Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye 
> swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) 
>
> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 
>
> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. 
>
> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally 
> settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a 
> sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, 
> either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too 
> rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye 
> protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, 
> and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - 
> esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the 
> glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my 
> bike. 
>
> *I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? 
> I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. *
>
> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck 
> bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. 
>
> *Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you 
> have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling 
> sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a 
> factor here. *
>
> Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple 
> weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[CharlieG]

I’ve been pulling my twins in a Thule Chariot 2-kid trailer for the last couple 
of years. They just turned three and still fit - tightly. I’ve found it to be 
pretty good. It also works okay for hauling a case of beer home from the bottlo 
(sans kids, obvs).

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[RBW] Re: First(ish) impressions of Sam Hillborne

[dustin schaber]

How do the mini motos feel with regular (pretty) road levers? I had the 
same brakes on a Space Horse back in the day and the LBS implored me to 
pair them with v-brake drop levers, which I did and they felt superb. 

Dustin

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:25:51 AM UTC-7, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> Loving my canti-Sam these days, in mega-monster-mode with 50mm Gravelking 
> tires. It's surprisingly fast on these, and very confidence-inspiring when 
> I have to dodge runners or other cyclists by hopping a curb or veering into 
> the rough stuff. 
>
> Reid in Austin 
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[RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A second for the Granit X Plus.  I live in Washington DC and use it along 
with Pitlocks on my Ram and with the Abus locking skewers on my Sam.  It is 
heavy-ish, but I'm not racing.

I also have an Otto Lock for my racy bike when I lock it up for a few 
minutes.  I could see using the 3 foot Otto on a front wheel and the Granit 
X on the rear and dispense with the axle locks.

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 4:05:48 PM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>
>> What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up 
>> in?
>>
>
> I have a handful of nice locks as I've been trying them out, but I 
> eventually settled on the Abus Brodo, although mine is the burly Granit 
> X-plus variant. I like it because it is secure (lock mechanism was 
> well-reviewed by TheLockPickingLawyer 
> ), it is 
> compact when not in use, and it works well enough for locking my Wilbury up 
> at local grocery stores, Target, and such. I like it so much that I got my 
> son an identical one for his new-to-him Atlantis, that he rides to and 
> locks up at school. Note that I've equipped the bikes that get locked up 
> with Pitlocks , security 
> bolts , and strategically placed ball 
> bearings locked in with beeswax, so the locks are only used to secure the 
> frame to whatever immovable object.
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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Patrick Moore]

That's what I've heard. I'll look for the Podiums at the nearby bike shop
and if I can't find them there, online.

Thanks again.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 9:21 AM Jock Dewey  wrote:

> That is definitely true, Patrick. The constant cycling does dimishing the
> darkening over time. Eventually, they don't darken much at all. Transitions
> is a brand-name, and they will argue that they do not lose effectiveness,
> but that is just not true.
>
> Buyer beware.
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
>
> On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 2:07:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I've read that photochromatic lenses lose their ability to change shades
>> as they age. Is this true? Would be happy to learn that it's no longer
>> true, as I much prefer transition lenses to having to swap out lenses
>> manually.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:18 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> I have clear transition lenses that darken when UV light hits them.
>>> They are getting better and some versions can even transition inside of
>>> cars to some extent using light intensity to darken.  The ones I have are
>>> Rudy Project, which are expensive, but I had paid for them with my Rx plan
>>> and flexible spending.  The cheaper option may be to get sunglasses with
>>> interchangeable lenses, which is a good choice.
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the
 words I need to get out.

 Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to
 have beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out.
 The summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my
 miles in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some
 changes to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have
 synthetic, white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from
 the sun. I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and
 wearing riding gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen
 at times, but I never leave without sunglasses.

 A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that
 I took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times
 by bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed
 to get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I
 pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in
 the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra
 riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I
 had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which
 was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died
 because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was
 pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling.
 Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye
 swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.)

 Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I
 ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and
 didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was
 hoping to avoid for 2 reasons:

 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad.

 It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally
 settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a
 sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous,
 either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too
 rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye
 protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs,
 and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage -
 esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the
 glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my
 bike.

 *I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while
 riding? I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg,
 either. *

 Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled
 Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf.
 Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck
 bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y.

 *Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you
 have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling
 sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a
 factor here. *

 Attached is the night 

[RBW] Sunglasses

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi guys, 

I had already impulse purchased the clear glasses when I wrote this post. I had 
tried my shooting glasses but they didn’t seat well under my helmet, bounced up 
and down and they weren’t optically correct, so it made things worse and I 
tossed them in my bag after minutes of wearing them and went bare-faced 
instead. As soon as I got home I went to Oakley’s website and ordered a pair of 
Radar Pitch glasses with clear lenses. I knew they would play well with my 
helmet (so many cyclists wear them), they were 20% off and I was just so 
completely fed up with not having night glasses that I plunked down the money.

But then that brought me to sunglasses. Once I read sunglasses reviews and saw 
that people were saying things like:
~I don’t have wind making my eyes tear anymore

~I don’t have sun coming in through the top of my glasses

~I can see images crisply on the road [Oakley’s Prism technology]

~My peripheral vision is so much better with the wraparound

~My glasses don’t bounce around on my runs anymore, they stay put

Well, THAT was when I realized I have all those same issues with lifestyle 
sunglasses. And I live in the desert with like 300 days of sun, and there isn’t 
a day that goes by that I am not outside exercising in it. Running, biking, 
swimming, walking. I was accustomed to the above annoyances, but now I don’t 
have to be. I’m going to look a *little* rad, not a lot rad, and that seems 
like a fair trade-off. I did buy a pair of sunglasses that were really on sale 
and if you behave yourselves and refrain from laughing and pointing, I might 
just show them to you. 藍

Lone Wolf Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals

[Ray Evans]

I have been using these VP-831P Bauhaus pedals for 4 years now, after
seeing them in a picture of rich@rivbike's Appaloosa. I love how sticky the
grip tape is with any footwear I use, and I eliminate the problem I had
with getting scratched up with studded pedals. I don't typically ride in
rain or off road much, so can't speak from experience on how they work for
that. But they just look very cool in a "bauhaus" kind of stealthy
minimal way. The only problem is I think they are discontinued. I found a
few on ebay UK awhile back, so it's worth a search if  they strike your
fancy.
http://www.vpcomponents.com/product/vp-831p/

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:53 AM Jeffery S  wrote:

> I purchased VP Vice pedals for my Sam a four or five years ago and like
> them so much I got a second pair to replace clipless pedals on my BMC
> monstercross. I commute, tour, & hit the trail with them and have had no
> problems whatsoever. The pins grip great for riding in sneakers, but they
> will scratch your leg every once in a while.
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-6, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me
>> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals
>> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track.
>> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the
>> article below:
>>
>> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>>
>> Doug Hansford
>>
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[RBW] FS: Shimano 10spd Bar-End Shifters, 2pr

[Paul Brodek]

Hey all, I'm looking to spin off a couple pair of Shimano 10spd bar-cons. 
Both installed once, very low use.
What I've got is:

SL-BS79 Dura-Ace: $65 paypal'd/shipped conti USA - These are current, I 
think, D-A, which _do not_ have friction option.
SL- - D-A?: $55 paypal'd/shipped conti USA - A previous version, model# 
unmarked, D-A level I think because covers/surround are black i/o gray, 
these have a friction option.

I can add photos a little later, want to get out on the rollers first

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Timothy Hurley]

This is great Jan! Thanks for using your pulpit for good. There’s no such thing 
as an apolitical space; most of us here are Americans so we’re all 
involved/complicit with what’s going on wether we know it or not. 

   -T.J. in Philadelphia 

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[RBW] Sunglasses

[anniebikes]

Leah, I wear contacts so I regularly need clear lenses to keep nasty bugs from 
penetrating my eyes on cloudy and night rides. I've had good luck with fit and 
protection with Dewalt safety glasses from the hardware store for less than 
10.00.

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Jeffery S]

I purchased VP Vice pedals for my Sam a four or five years ago and like 
them so much I got a second pair to replace clipless pedals on my BMC 
monstercross. I commute, tour, & hit the trail with them and have had no 
problems whatsoever. The pins grip great for riding in sneakers, but they 
will scratch your leg every once in a while. 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-6, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
> article below:
>
> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>
> Doug Hansford
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Mark's Rack and Silver 1 shifters

[Julian Westerhout]

Both are sold. Thanks. 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 11:17:00 AM UTC-5, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> FS:   Nitto Mark's Rack in very good condition.   $100 + shipping. 
>
> One pair Rivendell Silver 1 shifters in very good condition - $35 shipped 
>
> Paypal F preferred. 
>
> Photos attached 
>
> Please reply off list 
>
> Julian Westerhout
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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Chris L]

I use VP Harrier pedals (they have a safety recall and I haven't gotten 
around to trading them in for the newer version) because they are the 
largest (120 x 110) pedal I could find.  I have some kind of weird range of 
motion issue with my right knee or hip and I always end up with my right 
foot barely on the pedal.  Really wide pedals have mostly solved this. 



On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 12:46:34 PM UTC-5, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
> article below:
>
> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>
> Doug Hansford
>
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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree with you, Jan: human dignity is not being upheld and we absolutely 
need to respond. Of course, throughout human history this has been the case 
since the Fall. Grin. What human dignity is, how and why is it being 
undermined, and how to we strive to restore right relationship and uphold 
the dignity of every person ... there is lots of room there for people of 
good will to disagree.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Joe Bernard]

"That said, I still use and prefer photochromatic lenses because I just don't 
like dark lenses on a cloudy day. Too gloomy for me, makes me want to turn 
around and go home :  )

Best cloudy day lens is yellow. Totally turn a gloomy cloudy day into a bright 
sunny one. Extend your riding time for at least another 20 or 30 miles. But if 
sun does come out, you're screwed as the yellow lens intensifies the light. 
Just can't win these days."

That's one thing I like about the Prizm lens on my Oakley EV Zero: it has a 
fascinating ability to separate light from shade, and seems to "brighten" the 
scene as the clouds roll in. It has to be pretty dang gloomy outside before I 
have to take them off. 

I have the Prizm on an Oakley Crossrange I use off the bike which has a much 
lighter lens marketed to golfers. It's possibly too much light transmission for 
cycling on a very bright day, but great for everything else. In the end there's 
a whole lotta lenses out there with different light transmission qualities and 
you have to find what works best for you for your conditions.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Jonathan D.]

Thanks Jan. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[esoterica etc]

As "off-topic" as some may think this post is, I don't think anyone can deny 
that the ultimate goal is to support our friends and fellow Americans who have 
been marginalized and treated unequally for long enough. For Jan to offer his 
assistance through a bike-related source is on-topic enough for me. 

Thank you Jan for having the courage to step up, even though by doing so, you 
knew it would polarize many on this list, other lists that you frequent (iBOB, 
650b), and your blog. I commend you and those at BQ for your altruistic 
actions. I have been going back-and-forth on spending the money for a 
subscription, but this offer makes it a no brainer for me. All the best Jan,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

"Imagine all the people living life in peace"
-John Lennon

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 13:42, Robert Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Jan -- I think this is exactly the place for it. 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:26 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>> I think it's great. Nice job Jan!
>> 
>> KJ
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>>> We want to do more than just say nice words. We want to help make change 
>>> that is real and lasting. With that intent, we’re renewing the tradition of 
>>> Bicycle Quarterly fund drives to address urgent needs. For 24 hours, from 
>>> 0:00 until 24:00 (Pacific Time) on June 2, 2020, we’re donating $ 36 for 
>>> each Bicycle Quarterly subscription to Black Lives Matter. That is the full 
>>> amount of a U.S. subscription. Details are at
>>> 
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/blog/
>>> 
>>> And let's not turn this into an off-topic political discussion, please. 
>>> This is just a public service announcement. Feel free to comment on the 
>>> blog. Thank you!
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[masmojo]

Leah, first of all, I think your rad, but I understand your desire not to look 
too techie.

Beyond that, it seems we are talking 2 different things here?
1) sunglasses
2) clear bug shields 

To me it's all a very personal aesthetic, but although I have some Oakley's I 
don't wear them much. The Oakley's I had last have some sort of fancy coating,  
 (irridium?) which look great, but seem to scratch VERY easily. I just didn't 
feel they were worth the $$'s
There's typically some inexpensive new brands that pop up on ebay. I bought 
some Rudy Project shortly after that brand first appeared, now they cost a lot!
Trick with buying sunglasses on ebay is don't look solely at price. You don't 
have to spend $100, but less than $20 is equally bad.
A brand that you can sometimes get inexpensively that I like is Dragons. A 
couple others that are almost as good. RAZE and Electric (they may spell that 
some clever way). I've been wearing my RAZE almost exclusively lately; In fact 
I am on my second pair! First pair popped out of my handlebar bag & I was 
bothered enough to by the same exact thing again. 
Which leads me to the main point. The perfect cycling sunglasses are decent 
quality,  but not so precious your going to have a meltdown if they get lost, 
broken or stolen.

As far as clear bug shields go, I've never really cottoned to them for 
different reasons glare, condensation,  ineffective perspiration evacuation, 
etc.
That said you could probably ride over to Lowe's or Home Depot & look at 
they're safety glasses, possibly try them on get an idea if it'll work for you.

In my younger days I had to ride to/from work at night through some fields and 
I can tell you; although it makes a lot of sense to wear white at night for 
visibility, it makes you a giant target for bugs! Especially when the 
headlights of the oncoming cars hit you; certain times of the year it's like 
flipping a switch.
As soon as the headlights land on you so to do the bugs!

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Teague Scott]

Totally agree. Thanks Jan!

- Teague in Boise

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[RBW] Pedals

[Doug Hansford]

I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me to 
thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals after 
using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. My current 
are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the article below:

https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/

Doug Hansford

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Robert Gardner]

Thanks Jan -- I think this is exactly the place for it.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:26 PM Kieran J  wrote:

> I think it's great. Nice job Jan!
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>> We want to do more than just say nice words. We want to help make change
>> that is real and lasting. With that intent, we’re renewing the tradition of 
>> Bicycle
>> Quarterly fund drives to address urgent needs. For 24 hours, from 0:00
>> until 24:00 (Pacific Time) on *June 2, 2020*, we’re donating $ 36 for
>> each Bicycle Quarterly subscription to *Black Lives Matter*. That is the
>> full amount of a U.S. subscription. Details are at
>>
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/blog/
>>
>> And let's not turn this into an off-topic political discussion, please.
>> This is just a public service announcement. Feel free to comment on the
>> blog. Thank you!
>>
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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Kieran J]

I think it's great. Nice job Jan!

KJ


On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> We want to do more than just say nice words. We want to help make change 
> that is real and lasting. With that intent, we’re renewing the tradition of 
> Bicycle 
> Quarterly fund drives to address urgent needs. For 24 hours, from 0:00 
> until 24:00 (Pacific Time) on *June 2, 2020*, we’re donating $ 36 for 
> each Bicycle Quarterly subscription to *Black Lives Matter*. That is the 
> full amount of a U.S. subscription. Details are at
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/blog/
>
> And let's not turn this into an off-topic political discussion, please. 
> This is just a public service announcement. Feel free to comment on the 
> blog. Thank you!
>

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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Garth]

Jan this kind of stuff is wayyy OT.  Please contact Jim the site admin and 
have him remove it. Don't assume for one second I don't care about what's 
happening everywhere, this is simply not the place for it. 


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Re: [RBW] BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[David Hays]

I’m in Jan.
This can’t be ignored.
David

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
> 
> Jan,
> I was too quick to criticize you and I apologize. These are not normal times 
> and so I think off-topic may be on topic with all that has been happening in 
> our world. Again, I hope your fundraiser is successful and I think your 
> intentions are Obviously noble. 
> Kind regards,
> Doug
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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Jan Heine]

Thank you, Doug. I appreciate the thoughtful words.
Jan

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 10:09:03 AM UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> Jan,
> I was too quick to criticize you and I apologize. These are not normal 
> times and so I think off-topic may be on topic with all that has been 
> happening in our world. Again, I hope your fundraiser is successful and I 
> think your intentions are Obviously noble. 
> Kind regards,
> Doug

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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Doug Hansford]

Jan,
I was too quick to criticize you and I apologize. These are not normal times 
and so I think off-topic may be on topic with all that has been happening in 
our world. Again, I hope your fundraiser is successful and I think your 
intentions are Obviously noble. 
Kind regards,
Doug

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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Jan Heine]

I'm sorry – I had mixed feelings about posting here. I just wanted to let 
people know, not start a never-ending discussion, have all kinds of trolls 
descend on this group, etc. I offer the blog for discussion, if people feel 
the need.

Thank you.
Jan

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 9:35:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> We want to do more than just say nice words. We want to help make change 
> that is real and lasting. With that intent, we’re renewing the tradition of 
> Bicycle 
> Quarterly fund drives to address urgent needs. For 24 hours, from 0:00 
> until 24:00 (Pacific Time) on *June 2, 2020*, we’re donating $ 36 for 
> each Bicycle Quarterly subscription to *Black Lives Matter*. That is the 
> full amount of a U.S. subscription. Details are at
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/blog/
>
> And let's not turn this into an off-topic political discussion, please. 
> This is just a public service announcement. Feel free to comment on the 
> blog. Thank you!
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Surly Rack and Brooks B17 Special

[Leah Peterson]

Bump. Brooks now $120, shipped.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don’t have a parts bin because I don’t like extra things taking up space 
> that are not in use. Therefore, these things must go.
> 
> 1. Surly 24 pack rack. A poor man’s Nitto Basket Rack, I think. Rated for 
> load up to 30 lbs. There has been a recall on this rack, so ask your LBS to 
> get you the parts Surly made to fix the issue. Parts are free. Comes with all 
> the bolts, struts and instructions.  $150, new, yours for $95, shipped.
> 
> 2. Brooks B17, Special. Try as I might, I have not been able to break this 
> saddle in. I have a B17 Select, fits me just great, but this one? 900 miles 
> and I still haven’t conquered it. Has copper plated rails that show a minimal 
> amount of wear from being clamped onto my seat post. Lovely copper rivets set 
> off by ebony leather. Retails for $170, yours for $130, shipped.
> 
> PM me if interested.
> Thanks,
> Leah
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[RBW] BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Doug Hansford]

Really? Don’t turn this into a political discussion? Throw this out there and 
basically shush discussion. Okay. If this isn’t off topic I don’t know what is 
for a cycling forum. But I wish you well in your cause. 
Doug

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[RBW] BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Jan Heine]

We want to do more than just say nice words. We want to help make change 
that is real and lasting. With that intent, we’re renewing the tradition of 
Bicycle 
Quarterly fund drives to address urgent needs. For 24 hours, from 0:00 
until 24:00 (Pacific Time) on *June 2, 2020*, we’re donating $ 36 for each 
Bicycle 
Quarterly subscription to *Black Lives Matter*. That is the full amount of 
a U.S. subscription. Details are at

https://www.renehersecycles.com/blog/

And let's not turn this into an off-topic political discussion, please. 
This is just a public service announcement. Feel free to comment on the 
blog. Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Leah,

I suggest starting with these:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RKS07I/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

I have Tifosi clear but I like these better and use them instead.  If you 
don't like these you're out a whopping $8.25, although you're not really 
*out* anything 'cause you can keep 'em around for hazardous household 
tasks, like chopping jalapeños or fiddling with tiny springs that could 
blind you if they fly free.  You might like Premium Brand glasses just 
fine, but why not give a pair of cheap ones a try before you step up to the 
overpriced models?

Dave
Boston/Indy



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