Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[Luke Hendrickson]

I support that idea dude
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:50:17 PM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks great! I have thought about an Atlantis set up with knobby tires and 
> a bullmoose bar as my mtb.
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:00:41 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Imma revive this thread with my dream Riv. I’ve since added dust caps to 
>> the crankset, but otherwise this is as it appears now (well, I also changed 
>> the cassette but whatever).
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Luke Hendrickson]

Paul – I’m about 50/50 with how I handle things if I’m being honest! What I 
wrote above is my hoped for attitude once out on the road. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:19:12 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:

> In terms of responding to bad driving, I've had the best luck with Luke's 
> approach, but I only use it seldomly. One time a car sped around me when 
> there was a lot of oncoming traffic and didn't give me nearly enough space, 
> and I could tell the driver felt a little panicked, and if I hadn't gotten 
> out of the way, they would've had to choose to hit me, or get hit head on 
> themselves (or maybe everyone could've just stopped for a second to sort it 
> out??).
>
> When I got up to them at the traffic signal I pulled up, and motioned for 
> them to roll the window down. And they did, and started apologizing, and I 
> just told them that that was really scary and that it could've caused me to 
> have a really bad wreck and that I hoped they'd be more patient next time.
>
> If I had flipped them off, I'm sure any further interaction would've gone 
> much differently. They seemed like they were already expecting me to yell 
> at them, but were willing to accept it I guess. They had kids in the car 
> too. It could've been really traumatizing. I definitely have no reason to 
> forgive their reckless driving, but I try to remember that not all mistakes 
> are malicious. Trevor, your story makes me feel extra lucky today, and I 
> hope your recovery is going alright. 
>
> I think most of us know when to pick a fight and when not to in most 
> situations. It's just hard to stay cool when some jerk could've killed me 
> and I can't just leave the room.
>
> Paul
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I aim to appear unskilled (wearing plain clothes only) and less 
>> attractive as a target (no flashing lights). I also take full lanes and aim 
>> to be visible as much as I can. I would rather annoy drivers and know that 
>> they see me than try to be as small as I can and hug the curb and be 
>> doored. Thankfully I’m also tall and ride a large bike so I happen to ride 
>> higher than many SUVs.
>>
>> Regardless, I still get buzzed and cut off. I sometimes feel inclined to 
>> let the drivers know that driving in that manner is less than ideal. I aim 
>> to calmly tell them that they scared me a lot and that what they did could 
>> have injured me. It’s usually well-received. Other times I smile and throw 
>> a shaka. Again, I believe looming large on the rode helps me.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[David Hallerman]

I entirely agree. I mostly successfully avoid giving those unskilled auto
drivers the finger. However, as I wave in a friendly way, but with my heart
burning, I think how I’m still giving the rotten person my middle finger,
just camouflaged by its four friends.

Dave, who does not trust any driver even in this relatively calm section of
exurbia

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 1:40 AM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> I never use the one finger salute, I always use the friendly wave and
> smile tactic.  (I don't give anyone the power to ruin my ride.) … [lots of
> good stuff]


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[RBW] WTB/ISO: Nitto 34F BIg Front Rack

[Todd G]

Hi all, looking to buy a Nitto 34F Big Font Rack.

If you have one in decent shape that you’d consider parting with please let 
me know.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was a teenager during the 1970s bike boom and loved riding my 10 speed 
everywhere. I rode for fun, fitness, socializing, commuting, errands, and 
eventually competition. I came to believe the bicycle could help transform 
our culture, bringing a more humane pace to our lives. I no longer believe 
that. Bicycles alone will not change the trajectory of this society.

I am now becoming an old man and can see the last of my days not so far 
ahead. Time is more precious. I no longer ride on the road very often and 
rarely for pleasure because it just isn't a pleasure. Cell phones and other 
forms of distracted driving are a huge threat today. Road rage and 
intentional acts of violence seem to be increasing. I do not want to spend 
valuable time being frightened or outraged or bullied.  

I am lucky to live where there are many high-quality, off-road options and 
that is where I now mostly ride.

When I do ride, I have used some of Pam Bikes' techniques. I always ride 
with a mirror and try to stay fully alert of my surroundings. I have 
reflective clothing and reflectors on my frame, racks, rims, crankarms, 
helmet. I use lights except in full daylight. I always acknowledge 
courteous driving with a nod or wave and a smile. I make eye contact all 
the time. I smile at them a lot and am no longer surprised at how often 
they smile back. I do not engage with angry drivers. I never raise my hands 
from the handlebars in anger, though I may engage my brake lever with one 
strong middle finger.  I carry pepper spray and a knife all the time.

This is not the world I imagined as a new-riding teenager. But it is the 
world we have helped build and have inherited. 

Joe Ramey in Grand Junction

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:40:22 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I haven't read all the posts except the first one but couple of things...  
> I teach Cycling Savvy (
> https://cyclingsavvy.org/event/3-part-workshop-charlotte-nc-oct-21-23/2022-10-21/)
>  which 
> teaches communication and cooperation.  I never use the one finger salute, 
> I always use the friendly wave and smile tactic.  (I don't give anyone the 
> power to ruin my ride.)  But before that I communicate in four redundant 
> ways.  1) Lane selection - using the lane for my intended direction, i.e. 
> the left lane if I'm making a L.  2) Lane positioning - positioning myself 
> for my direction of travel, i.e. in the left side of the lane if I'm 
> turning right.  3) Shoulder check - this helps build empathy by humanizing 
> yourself.  You have a life which is valuable.  And this acknowledges the 
> motorists presence.  4) Signaling - your next move.  In the original post, 
> I'd have signaled either R or L.  If I'm not making a turn and I do not 
> want to release the lane or can't release the lane, I'd hold up my pointer 
> finger indicating I need a second.  Communicating helps defuse a possibly 
> tense situation.  While this is not fool proof, it generally works most of 
> the time.  I ride daily.  I ride wherever I need to go.  And mostly I have 
> 95% good experiences.  The bad ones I chalk up to people who are frustrated 
> being trapped in a car.  And they'd be having a bad day and honking at me 
> even if I were driving a car.  Aggression is not b/c you are on a bike.  It 
> may be b/c they are in a car.  Of course, I get a few honks.  But I've 
> never had anything thrown at me.  Please come to Charlotte, NC and ride 
> w/me and you'll see.  I take people riding all the time and they say 
> they've never had such a good experience.  And when I rode the last 5 days 
> across NC (365 miles), it was basically the same.  And my goal then was to 
> get full lane change passes and I think I got about 90%.   
> https://ridewithgps.com/collections/58792
>
> I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way.  We have all experienced 
> aggression.  It is real.  I hope this helps.
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:01:54 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> RBW content - I owe my 1998 Rivendell LongLow Custom to getting doored in 
>> west Berkeley. I was coming back from (high carbohydrate) lunch at 
>> Jack-in-da-Box and was pedaling my lugged steel Centurion past parked cars 
>> when a door swung open and caught me in the ribs - immediate full stop. A 
>> painful injury, entirely not my fault. Long story short, the car driver's 
>> insurance company agreed to a cash settlement, and I poured it it into a 
>> custom RBW frame (and full set of components). The LongLow is still in the 
>> stable.
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: SKF, Suntour brakes, Son Dynamo

[Collin A]

Heyo,

Going through some changes on the ol' Joe Appaloosa. All prices are OBO.

I have a completely unused SKF square taper bottom bracket that I no longer 
need. It was a warranty replacement from earlier this year that hasn't even 
been installed. 113, JIS, BSC and currently $169 from Rene Herse. *Asking 
for $120 shipped.*

Suntour XCD cantilever brakes with the self energizing rear. Tried these 
before I settled on the paul cantis on there now. Quite adjustable and 
quite powerful and would be a good set of cantis for sam, joe, or 
atlantis...maybe even Gus/Susie? *Asking $60 shipped*. 

24h son delux hub - not the typical Riv part, least of which because it is 
intended for disc brakes (gasp), but also black and thru-axle and only 24h. 
I used it on a go-fast rando bike this past year, but switching up the 
fleet and no longer need this jewel of a hub. *Asking $280 shipped*

Photos:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fq8pdK8MorGTXYNN7

Cheers,
Collin in Sactown

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[RBW] Re: Homers and road touring

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The AHH uses Oversized (OS) tubing (1-1/8" TT & 1-1/4" DT), which is more 
rigid than Standard (Std) tubing (1" TT & 1-1/8" DT) which most of the 
frames discussed are.  The extra 1/8" increased diameter results in a OS 
tube having about the same rigidity as a Std tube which is thicker by 
0.2mm.   

It seems the AHH uses OS tubes with butting of 0.8mm x 0.5mm x 0.8mm, which 
is fairly thin tubing.   Grant never stated what tubing thickness he uses.  
This would be have the same rigidity as s Std tube of 1.0mm x 0.7mm x 
1.0mm.IF the AHH tubing is thicker than what I stated, THEN it the 
equivalent rigid Std tube would be thicker

  My 1988 Schwinn Voyaguer (a full touring frame) uses Std Columbus Tenax 
tubing which by everything I can find has a 1" TT of 0.9mm x 0.7mm x 0.9mm 
and a 1-1/8" DT of 1.0mm x 0.7mm x 1.0mm.   So a AHH has tubing which is as 
rigid as the 88 Voyageur which was sold as full touring bike.  If the AHH 
tube is thicker than 8-5-8, then it is even more rigid than the 88 Voyaguer.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:12:05 PM UTC-4 Tirebiter ATX wrote:

> I have a question or the group.  I ride a Homer and considering using it 
> for road touring.  Since its not by definition a touring Rivendell, is 
> loaded touring pushing the envelope for this bike?
>
> thanks, 
> Lyman ATX
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Shiny Rack

[Ray Varella]

Hey Doug,
I’ve used P clamps in the past to mount lights on racks that didn’t have a 
mounting tab. 
The P goes around the tubing and the studs or screw go through the hole and 
the nut secures it in place. 
Hardware stores with those drawers full of miscellaneous specialty items is 
where I’ve always found P clamps. 

Thank you 
Ray 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:07:56 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Ray,
> This is a good deal and I would buy it if I could figure out a way I could 
> mount my rear Topline B dynamo taillight. Any ideas?
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:48:38 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Offered is a Rivendell Shiny Rack 
>> As new, never used. All mounting hardware in original condition. 
>> $150 for local pickup 
>> $160 shipped
>>
>> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tall Rando Bag by Acorn, gray waxed canvas, $160 plus $20 shipping

[Matt Beecher]

For anyone that is not familiar with these, they are possibly the finest 
handlebar bags on the market.  I have one of this size and a medium for my 
Saluki.  I found it best to mount with a decaleur, such as what is sold by 
Velo Orange, for extra stability on the rack.  

The rear bags are nice too, but I'll never give up my rando bags as long as 
I have a suitable bike to put them on.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:05:34 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> Here's a link to more photos:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ALkq9kzAXWfgKTM69
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> This is a nice bag. It's in very good shape. 
>>
>> Here's a link to the product description:
>>
>> https://www.acornbags.com/products/tall-rando-bag?variant=9075503169580
>>
>> Here are some photos:
>> [image: 20221010_175238.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Homers and road touring

[Fullylugged]

I rode the Mississippi Trail some years back solo on my Saluki, which is a 
Homer under the decals. Rear racks, front decaleur mount rando bag. Very 
stable handling when loaded. (get the trail guide book if you do this. Lots 
of good info). You can tour on a Homer.  Today, Apidura and others make 
capacious, lightweight  frame and saddle bags that let you save the weight 
of a frame.

Fullylugged in AL.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-5 Tirebiter ATX wrote:

> I have a question or the group.  I ride a Homer and considering using it 
> for road touring.  Since its not by definition a touring Rivendell, is 
> loaded touring pushing the envelope for this bike?
>
> thanks, 
> Lyman ATX
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[larson....@gmail.com]

Looks great! I have thought about an Atlantis set up with knobby tires and 
a bullmoose bar as my mtb.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:00:41 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Imma revive this thread with my dream Riv. I’ve since added dust caps to 
> the crankset, but otherwise this is as it appears now (well, I also changed 
> the cassette but whatever).
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Carradice Bagman quick-release brackets and adapters

[David Lipsky]

Hi Jim,

I could use another clamp setup.
Reply to this email with your PayPal address or other details and I’ll send 
payment and physical address.

Thanks much,
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA


> On Oct 10, 2022, at 3:20 PM, Jim S.  wrote:
> 
> bump. 2 of these are still available. Price drop to $45 each, shipping 
> included.
> 
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 3:29:35 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
> yup, all 3 are available. 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hi, Jim - any of these still available?  I would take one.
> 
> James
> 
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:30:28 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
> bump. $45 each, shipping included.
> 
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:16:16 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
> I have three of these for sale. $50 each, shipping included. 
> 
> You get both the bracket, and new adapters and big thick zipties that attach 
> the adapter to your saddle bag so that it fits the quick-release bracket. 
> These work great, if you have a saddle bag that you want to easily switch 
> among bikes, or if you have a saddle bag that you remove when you reach your 
> destination.
> 
> Here's a pretty good product description:
> 
> https://www.perennialcycle.com/bagman-quick-release-clamp.html 
> 
> 
> Please note: these are not Bagman Expeditions. That is, there is no metal 
> support piece that your saddle bag rests on. I think these are most useful if 
> you have a rear rack that your saddle bag can rest on.
> 
> Here are photos:
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/oBtUWJnL2qvhdj5e7 
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tall Rando Bag by Acorn, gray waxed canvas, $160 plus $20 shipping

[Jim S.]

Here's a link to more photos:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ALkq9kzAXWfgKTM69

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> This is a nice bag. It's in very good shape. 
>
> Here's a link to the product description:
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/tall-rando-bag?variant=9075503169580
>
> Here are some photos:
> [image: 20221010_175238.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tall Rando Bag by Acorn, gray waxed canvas, $160 plus $20 shipping

[Jim S.]

here's a link to more photos:

https://www.acornbags.com/products/tall-rando-bag?variant=9075503169580

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> This is a nice bag. It's in very good shape. 
>
> Here's a link to the product description:
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/products/tall-rando-bag?variant=9075503169580
>
> Here are some photos:
> [image: 20221010_175238.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

[John Bokman]

My wife has the Front rack on her daily driver (Surly LHT). I got it for 
her because I couldn't find a better alternative for supporting her large 
Wald basket at the time. It is indeed very heavy (2# or so) but so, so 
stout, with multiple attachment points, and hardware for life. I would have 
felt comfortable riding my kids on the front, when they were little. It's 
that strong and well-braced.
Like Scott, I am curious about the Tubus Grand Ex. I would try it if my 
current setup were not so appropriate for my needs. I am a huge fan of 
Tubus. Maybe not the most elegant of racks, but strong! And no heavier than 
need be, with functional design. Good value for money.

John in Portland, OR
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:12:45 PM UTC-7 David Pulsipher wrote:

> I don't have a Sam - but I do have two Surly front racks and love their 
> ruggedness and function. Perfect for lowrider, and also mounting a basket.
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:45:12 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> I've been super pleased with the Tubus Tara setup on my Sam (converted to 
>> cantilevers). I know you want to use the existing bosses for your rack set 
>> up; I did too. But in practice, the fork clamps for the Tara are excellent 
>> - like everything else they do. They haven't budged in the 7 or so years 
>> I've had them installed - and this is an everyday ride.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-7 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Bob:
>>>
>>> Have you tried the Tubus Grand Expedition front rack? It's not a tiny 
>>> rack. I've been running it for dirt touring/bikepacking and am very pleased 
>>> with it (as well as the rear counterpart).
>>>
>>> Good luck in your search.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 04:15:44 PM MDT, BobW  
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the input.  Ideally, I'm looking for a rack where the 
>>> attachment point align with the standard Riv braze on point at the dropout 
>>> and mid-fork.  It appears that the Nitto Mark's MF2 rack that Rive carries 
>>> works, but is kind of pricey @ $221 (
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-hub-area-rack-with-hoop-mf2-20236?_pos=6&_sid=f551ef3e9&_ss=r
>>> )
>>> So looking for less expensive alternatives to this.  Thanks!!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:36:29 AM UTC-4 brianmark...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not that it's entirely helpful, but when I had a buddy add canti posts 
>>> to my Sam for a 650b conversion, I also had him add lowrider bosses for a 
>>> Tubus Tara. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's how I did it:
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bQ6G2tBKHaWeErrr8
>>>
>>> I never really used it, but I don't like racks and prefer large front 
>>> handlebar bags.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:55:28 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from 
>>> lowrider rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so 
>>> would be wanting to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.  
>>> Looking for suggestions for proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW, 
>>> my Sam is a non-canti model - sidepull calipers.
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Bagman quick-release brackets and adapters

[Jim S.]

bump. 2 of these are still available. Price drop to $45 each, shipping 
included.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 3:29:35 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> yup, all 3 are available. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi, Jim - any of these still available?  I would take one.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:30:28 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> bump. $45 each, shipping included.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:16:16 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>>>
 I have three of these for sale. $50 each, shipping included. 

 You get both the bracket, and new adapters and big thick zipties that 
 attach the adapter to your saddle bag so that it fits the quick-release 
 bracket. These work great, if you have a saddle bag that you want to 
 easily 
 switch among bikes, or if you have a saddle bag that you remove when you 
 reach your destination.

 Here's a pretty good product description:

 https://www.perennialcycle.com/bagman-quick-release-clamp.html

 Please note: these are not Bagman Expeditions. That is, there is no 
 metal support piece that your saddle bag rests on. I think these are most 
 useful if you have a rear rack that your saddle bag can rest on.

 Here are photos:

 https://photos.app.goo.gl/oBtUWJnL2qvhdj5e7

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

[David Pulsipher]

I don't have a Sam - but I do have two Surly front racks and love their 
ruggedness and function. Perfect for lowrider, and also mounting a basket.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 3:45:12 PM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:

> I've been super pleased with the Tubus Tara setup on my Sam (converted to 
> cantilevers). I know you want to use the existing bosses for your rack set 
> up; I did too. But in practice, the fork clamps for the Tara are excellent 
> - like everything else they do. They haven't budged in the 7 or so years 
> I've had them installed - and this is an everyday ride.
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-7 Scott wrote:
>
>> Bob:
>>
>> Have you tried the Tubus Grand Expedition front rack? It's not a tiny 
>> rack. I've been running it for dirt touring/bikepacking and am very pleased 
>> with it (as well as the rear counterpart).
>>
>> Good luck in your search.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 04:15:44 PM MDT, BobW  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the input.  Ideally, I'm looking for a rack where the 
>> attachment point align with the standard Riv braze on point at the dropout 
>> and mid-fork.  It appears that the Nitto Mark's MF2 rack that Rive carries 
>> works, but is kind of pricey @ $221 (
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-hub-area-rack-with-hoop-mf2-20236?_pos=6&_sid=f551ef3e9&_ss=r
>> )
>> So looking for less expensive alternatives to this.  Thanks!!
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:36:29 AM UTC-4 brianmark...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not that it's entirely helpful, but when I had a buddy add canti posts to 
>> my Sam for a 650b conversion, I also had him add lowrider bosses for a 
>> Tubus Tara. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here's how I did it:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bQ6G2tBKHaWeErrr8
>>
>> I never really used it, but I don't like racks and prefer large front 
>> handlebar bags.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:55:28 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from 
>> lowrider rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so 
>> would be wanting to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.  
>> Looking for suggestions for proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW, 
>> my Sam is a non-canti model - sidepull calipers.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Johnny Alien]

I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did 
during the pandemic.
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe 
> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
>> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given up 
>> trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the water, 
>> heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of the 2020 
>> Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in minutes. 
>> Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 
>>
>> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to 
>> know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will 
>> have evened out by now. 
>>
>> Who is purchasing a Platypus? 
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Paul Clifton]

In terms of responding to bad driving, I've had the best luck with Luke's 
approach, but I only use it seldomly. One time a car sped around me when 
there was a lot of oncoming traffic and didn't give me nearly enough space, 
and I could tell the driver felt a little panicked, and if I hadn't gotten 
out of the way, they would've had to choose to hit me, or get hit head on 
themselves (or maybe everyone could've just stopped for a second to sort it 
out??).

When I got up to them at the traffic signal I pulled up, and motioned for 
them to roll the window down. And they did, and started apologizing, and I 
just told them that that was really scary and that it could've caused me to 
have a really bad wreck and that I hoped they'd be more patient next time.

If I had flipped them off, I'm sure any further interaction would've gone 
much differently. They seemed like they were already expecting me to yell 
at them, but were willing to accept it I guess. They had kids in the car 
too. It could've been really traumatizing. I definitely have no reason to 
forgive their reckless driving, but I try to remember that not all mistakes 
are malicious. Trevor, your story makes me feel extra lucky today, and I 
hope your recovery is going alright. 

I think most of us know when to pick a fight and when not to in most 
situations. It's just hard to stay cool when some jerk could've killed me 
and I can't just leave the room.

Paul

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:57:37 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I aim to appear unskilled (wearing plain clothes only) and less attractive 
> as a target (no flashing lights). I also take full lanes and aim to be 
> visible as much as I can. I would rather annoy drivers and know that they 
> see me than try to be as small as I can and hug the curb and be doored. 
> Thankfully I’m also tall and ride a large bike so I happen to ride higher 
> than many SUVs.
>
> Regardless, I still get buzzed and cut off. I sometimes feel inclined to 
> let the drivers know that driving in that manner is less than ideal. I aim 
> to calmly tell them that they scared me a lot and that what they did could 
> have injured me. It’s usually well-received. Other times I smile and throw 
> a shaka. Again, I believe looming large on the rode helps me.
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Choco bar, any condition

[Chris K]

Found one from someone here on the list. Thanks, all :)

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 2:29:00 PM UTC-6 Chris K wrote:

> If you have a Choco bar you would like to get ride of, let me know.
>
> They are in stock for $120, so I guess I'm looking for deal, less than 
> $100 shipped or some such.
>
> Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: FS- SON delux/DT Swiss dyno wheel 284.88€

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

I have a Shutter Precision, and a Shimano on two different bikes, and I 
can't tell any difference, they’re both great. With this “delux”, it makes 
less energy at slower speeds, which means for less resistance/notchiness, 
but higher speeds gets me full power. This wheel is going on my 
Rambouillet, so less resistance was key to me, but slower speed light 
flicker will be worse than the SP or Shimano, maybe.
-Kai

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:17:44 AM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Is the price difference worth it?  I never liked the buzz with a shimano 
> dyna hub. Its not a lot, just there all the time A SON hub may buzz a 
> little at the beginning of a ride if the bike has sat for a while, then 
> goes away after 1/4 mile or so. Buzz meaning the magnet notchiness 
> differences between the two hubs. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:47:43 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I am tempted by this deal. With dynamo on one bike I am keen on 
>> outfitting my other bike as well. They have a wheel with a Shimano dyno hub 
>> for about half that price. For those with experience with SON and other 
>> hubs, is the price difference worth it?
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:44:18 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> To be clear, I’m not selling mine, but there’s one left over there in 
>>> Germany, and with the current exchange, this comes out to a very good deal. 
>>> And yes, my Rambouillet will look funny with black spokes in front, silver 
>>> out back, but it’ll have lights!
>>> -Kai
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:21:54 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 https://www.bike24.com/p2164993.html?searchTerm=Son+delux+dt+swiss=SBP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=SON264810==anonymized=631038

 I can’t afford it, but I bought the second to last one anyways.
 -Kai

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Piaw Na]

That's because your romanceur is a low trail bike with 36mm of trail as 
opposed to the 55-60mm on typical Rivendell bikes.  Conversely, that's why 
the Romanceur won't ride well without a front load!  That makes bikes like 
that a specialized item as opposed as a bike meant for general riding that 
can be used for both carrying a load and riding without one.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I ran a porteur rack and large basket on my romanceur and never noticed 
> the weight. I'd be surprised when I took it off how much the rack+basket 
> weighed. Riding I found it to be no issue. I could load it up and it was 
> never an issue. I actually found it a bit too wispy unloaded - but I rarely 
> go on a ride with *nothing* with me. 
>
> Once I purchased a new style clem smith jr the wheel flop even with just a 
> rack and basket drove me nuts. Loaded up with lots of tools or groceries it 
> rides OK. but it didn't have the same effortless *pushing a wheelbarrow* 
> feel my romanceur had. I feel it lacks the nimble aspect that works well 
> bike camping riding gear on slower trails. 
>
> I recently acquired a first generation Clementine - I find it's somewhere 
> in between the Romanceur and Clem Smith. I read somewhere Clementines were 
> a Hunqapillar front end with a swooped TT and longer rear Tri. It rides 
> best unloaded. But doesn't have the same flop as JR making it tolerable 
> lugging larger loads of tools or groceries. It's fine for now. I think once 
> I get bike camping with it i'll have to be more creative dispersing weight 
> rather than jamming it all in my front basket or large front porteur bag. 
>
> Trail definitely seems to be the biggest factor IMO. I'd love a custom low 
> trail hunqapillar(ish) bike one day. 
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:00:27 PM UTC-7 freem...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello, and thank you for posting this. 
>>
>> I was just about to order one to put on my, 'new to me' early aughts 
>> quickbeam. I was curious on it's weight and how it would feel.
>>
>> For years ( about a decade !) I had a Schwinn voyageur with the surly 
>> front rack combo - ready to tour, ready to ferry an obscene amount of 
>> groceries home. It was heavy and worth it; I'm also ready to move to 
>> something lighter with my new quickbeam. Maybe a Nitto M1 or another 
>> minimal cantilever attached front rack will be nice. Won't be able to haul 
>> as much, but that's okay too!
>>
>> Side tangent, but related: does anyone have a recommendation for a canti 
>> front rack? I was looking at the one on VO - seems decent, but would love 
>> to hear other people's opinions.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 3:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> As a non-front-rack guy (so why are you even posting, Joe??) I have no 
>>> thoughts on that particular rack, but I DO have thoughts on total bike 
>>> weight. When I had my custom designed, then added parts, I leaned towards 
>>> as much lightness as I could safely get away with for the use. Lighter = 
>>> easier/faster was a consideration, but the main goal wasn't for riding but 
>>> moving the thing around. If it's a struggle to get up the steps to my house 
>>> or load in the back of the car I'm going to be annoyed by that, the bike 
>>> needs to be accessible in all ways. SO. If you're struggling to load it and 
>>> can find a lighter/smaller rack to do the same job, I think this is the 
>>> way. 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 2:00:17 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi friends, 

 Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec? 

 I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it 
 on my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its 
 utility but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the 
 unloaded bike onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This 
 Platy outweighs my rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the 
 Basket 
 Rack is mostly to blame. 

 I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new 
 setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate. 

 I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the 
 Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m 
 wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been 
 anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else 
 tried 
 it and disliked it? 

 I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on 
 the front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not 
 liking that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking 
 about 
 THAT; I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily 
 heavy. Not that I’m going for lightweight, here. I mean, look at these 
 pics.

 Leah

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>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Jared Wilson]

I wrote this up a day or two ago and hesitated to post but after talking 
with Ariel I've decided to share, apologies to Jim if it doesn't meet group 
guidelines.

Last New Years Eve, 2021, my wife and I set out for one last ride of the 
year, venturing through wine country just outside of San Luis Obispo city 
limits. 

Suffice to say we were celebrating our own version "Bicycle Day", Ariel 
piloting her beloved Platypus and me aboard my then Cheviot. Things were 
just starting to get interesting as I was trailing Ariel when a black 
Chevrolet Tahoe came flying up the road behind us and made absolutely zero 
effort to acknowledge our existence, coming within a foot of my beloved 
ahead. He must have been cognizant of his lack of regard for us because he 
looked in his rear view mirror only to be met with my one finger salute. 
This enraged the man, who slammed on his brakes in the middle of the lane 
in anticipation of our arrival. Harassment ensued, threats were made 
towards me, and I could only smile and agree with the 50-something year old 
man who claimed "I'm going to kick your a**", "I'm sure you will buddy" I 
responded. I think that was enough to bolster his ego so he threw his SUV 
into gear and peeled out, never to be seen again. I didn't catch is plate 
number but I made note of his license plate frame. I kept an eye out for 
him around our small town for a while before coming to the conclusion that 
he doesn't deserve to continue to live rent free in my mind, so I'd finally 
let go of the situation until seeing this thread arise.

Moral of the story, you can't change someones mind who doesn't want to 
change it themself, it's better to not engage, smile, and continue on your 
way.

Jared in SLO, CA

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:58:56 AM UTC-7 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Longtime lurker and Riv owner here. Last summer while riding my Riv Road I 
> was run over by a truck rolling through a stop sign. I went down and the 
> truck rolled over my bike and right shoulder. It's spooky being under a 
> moving vehicle like that. I was pretty mangled, cuts, fractures, dislocated 
> shoulder, etc. 
>
> Lessons learned? Traffic is alway more dangerous coming from where you 
> can't see. (i.e. intersections) Also, drivers should never roll through a 
> stop sign and keep an eye out for us cyclists. That young kid hopefully 
> will never make that mistake again. I've been clipped a few times before 
> but this was the worst. 
>
> Also: If anyone is looking for a Riv Road 58cm (straight) but needing a 
> fork, let me know! It looks good on the mantle but should be ridden again. 
>
> Trevor
> Looking both ways in Nashville
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:16:55 PM UTC-5 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Please be very cautious when choosing to engage with drivers.  Only they 
>> know what lurks in their minds at that moment.  
>>
>> Curtis
>> Yielding to a 3000 pound mass of steel is a wise decision.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 2:59 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I moved this year and there's a 55mph 4-lane highway I use a lot, I 
>>> don't love the speeds as the cars fly by but the emergency lane is wide and 
>>> I don't worry about it too much. What PISSES ME OFF are the honkers who do 
>>> it just to startle me cuz I guess it's hilarious.  Not a fan. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:51:24 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 I had an incident last year thar still affects me. I was rolling along 
 in the shoulder, enjoying the day en route the donut shop turnaround point 
 (30 miles out, 30 back) when a pick up driver tried sideswiping me. He had 
 to aim for me, this was intentional. My reactions meant I swerved clear, 
 almost hard enough to take myself off. Luckily my tires held.

 I had no interaction with driver prior to this. It was a driver who 
 just wanted to punish a cyclist. 

 I still feel stress following this incident and no longer ride that 
 route at all. It's just not fun anymore.

 I do live in oil country and among really good people, there are some 
 very entitled and angry people who will bully and intimidate. 

 Dealing with this stuff is difficult, but I would say this forum.is 
 probably not the place for it.

 IanA Alberta Canada

 On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street 
> that narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a 
> tight 
> curve and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the 
> knowledge 
> that shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup 
> came off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I 
> briefly 
> considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
> that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
> and let Jethro through. My 

Re: [RBW] WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[Paul Clifton]

Spencer wrote me back and said they aren't coming this year. Maybe next 
year, but maybe not until some time after that. Basically, it sounds like 
it's a maybe.

I'm going to try the Seine Bar from Velo Orange: 
https://velo-orange.com/products/seine-bar?variant=36019860832406
It has a little bit less sweep than the Wavie, but a little more sweep than 
the Tumbleweed Persuader, and the price is right, so I won't have any 
problem cutting it down if I need to.

Paul in AR

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5 jga...@gmail.com wrote:

> I inquired with Spencer at Riv a while back when I got my set of bars.  I 
> was told that 750mm sets are not actually a thing yet but they may expect 
> them in this coming year.I tried to find the email but think I deleted 
> it.  I would suggest following up with him.   I tried to find my email but 
> think I deleted it… If I recall correctly he made it sound as though there 
> are no 750 wavies out there new or used as they have yet to hit the 
> streets.  
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:15 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
>> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it 
>> from you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to 
>> source that bar, please let me know!
>>
>> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>>
>> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
>> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
>> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
>> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>>
>> Paul in AR
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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Eric Daume]

There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe
supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks.

Eric

On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given up
> trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the water,
> heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of the 2020
> Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in minutes.
> Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting.
>
> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to
> know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will
> have evened out by now.
>
> Who is purchasing a Platypus?
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Jared Wilson]

I wrote this up a day or two ago and hesitated to post but after talking 
with Ariel I've decided to share, apologies to Jim if it doesn't meet group 
guidelines.

Last New Years Eve, 2021, my wife and I set out for one last ride of the 
year, venturing through wine country just outside of San Luis Obispo city 
limits. 

Suffice to say we were celebrating our own version "Bicycle Day", Ariel 
piloting her beloved Platypus and me aboard my then Cheviot. Things were 
just starting to get interesting as I was trailing Ariel when a black 
Chevrolet Tahoe came flying up the road behind us and made absolutely zero 
effort to acknowledge our existence, coming within a foot of my beloved 
ahead. He must have been cognizant of his lack of regard for us because he 
looked in his rear view mirror only to be met with my one finger salute. 
This enraged the man, who slammed on his brakes in the middle of the lane 
in anticipation of our arrival. Harassment ensued, threats were made 
towards me, and I could only smile and agree with the 50-something year old 
man who claimed "I'm going to kick your a**", "I'm sure you will buddy" I 
responded. I think that was enough to bolster his ego so he threw his SUV 
into gear and peeled out, never to be seen again. I didn't catch is plate 
number but I made note of his license plate frame. I kept an eye out for 
him around our small town for a while before coming to the conclusion that 
he doesn't deserve to continue to live rent free in my mind, so I'd finally 
let go of the situation until seeing this thread arise.

Moral of the story, you can't change someones mind who doesn't want to 
change it themself, it's better to either not engage, smile, and continue 
on your way.

Jared in SLO, CA
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:58:56 AM UTC-7 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Longtime lurker and Riv owner here. Last summer while riding my Riv Road I 
> was run over by a truck rolling through a stop sign. I went down and the 
> truck rolled over my bike and right shoulder. It's spooky being under a 
> moving vehicle like that. I was pretty mangled, cuts, fractures, dislocated 
> shoulder, etc. 
>
> Lessons learned? Traffic is alway more dangerous coming from where you 
> can't see. (i.e. intersections) Also, drivers should never roll through a 
> stop sign and keep an eye out for us cyclists. That young kid hopefully 
> will never make that mistake again. I've been clipped a few times before 
> but this was the worst. 
>
> Also: If anyone is looking for a Riv Road 58cm (straight) but needing a 
> fork, let me know! It looks good on the mantle but should be ridden again. 
>
> Trevor
> Looking both ways in Nashville
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:16:55 PM UTC-5 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Please be very cautious when choosing to engage with drivers.  Only they 
>> know what lurks in their minds at that moment.  
>>
>> Curtis
>> Yielding to a 3000 pound mass of steel is a wise decision.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 2:59 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I moved this year and there's a 55mph 4-lane highway I use a lot, I 
>>> don't love the speeds as the cars fly by but the emergency lane is wide and 
>>> I don't worry about it too much. What PISSES ME OFF are the honkers who do 
>>> it just to startle me cuz I guess it's hilarious.  Not a fan. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:51:24 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 I had an incident last year thar still affects me. I was rolling along 
 in the shoulder, enjoying the day en route the donut shop turnaround point 
 (30 miles out, 30 back) when a pick up driver tried sideswiping me. He had 
 to aim for me, this was intentional. My reactions meant I swerved clear, 
 almost hard enough to take myself off. Luckily my tires held.

 I had no interaction with driver prior to this. It was a driver who 
 just wanted to punish a cyclist. 

 I still feel stress following this incident and no longer ride that 
 route at all. It's just not fun anymore.

 I do live in oil country and among really good people, there are some 
 very entitled and angry people who will bully and intimidate. 

 Dealing with this stuff is difficult, but I would say this forum.is 
 probably not the place for it.

 IanA Alberta Canada

 On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street 
> that narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a 
> tight 
> curve and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the 
> knowledge 
> that shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup 
> came off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I 
> briefly 
> considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
> that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
> and let Jethro through. 

[RBW] Re: my new 2 speed coaster brake Susie

[Mackenzy Albright]

This is one of my favorite riv builds on here in a while! it'd be great to 
see some more photo posted. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:00:27 PM UTC-7 Matt Fitzgerald wrote:

> [image: IMG_4215.PNG]
> Thanks for the kind words, all! J and Leah, here is a photo of the 
> drivetrain. 
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:55:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't know if I could live with no front brake lever to grab in an 
>> emergency stop - what if I forget it's coaster brake only??! - but this is 
>> SO cool. I love the "only what you need and nothing more" look and 
>> vibe..nice work, Matt! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-7 Matt Fitzgerald 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've had my new Susie since June, but ordered the frame months earlier. 
>>> This gave me a lot of time to consider the dream setup, and time to sell 
>>> the Clem H I'd been riding for a couple of years. I loved that bike, but it 
>>> was a bit too much of a Lincoln Town Car to qualify as the dream bike I 
>>> dreamt of. This one fits the bill. It is a XL Susie in the green color. As 
>>> I purchased parts, I realized I was pursuing an idealized version of my 
>>> childhood bike. I grew up in the 1970's in northern michigan, riding a 
>>> green Schwinn sting ray that my father refashioned into a "bmx" when that 
>>> craze hit. The bike had a wild frame, fat tires, a coaster brake, single 
>>> speed, with black handlebars, a black saddle, and green pedals. As an 
>>> adult, my favorite (stolen) bike had been a Surly Cross Check set up as a 
>>> single speed, with rim brakes and north road bars. I loved that bike's 
>>> simplicity. 
>>>
>>> I'd never built a bike up from the frame before buying the Susie, but 
>>> youtube is my friend. While waiting on the frame, I bought a 2 speed 
>>> kickback sturmey archer hub, a salsa gordo front wheel with a black rim and 
>>> shimano dynamo hub, a black sugino RD2 crankset, a black seatpost, cheap 
>>> green oversized mb pedals, a black quill stem, a dynamo headlight, black 
>>> handlebar tape, and chunky black grips. All of these items were used but 
>>> the rear hub. I had a brooks cambium saddle, Surly ET tires, and an older 
>>> Nitto albatross handlebar on a bike I put together for my son. I switched 
>>> these out for stuff in our garage and he hasn't yet complained. The photo 
>>> below is of the bike with the Salsa sparrow handlebars I switched out for 
>>> the nittos. When the rear hub arrived, I took it to the wonderful folks at 
>>> Boulevard Bikes (I live in Chicago) and asked them to build a rear wheel. 
>>>
>>> And then, when the frame was delivered I realized how difficult it is to 
>>> set up a bike with vertical dropouts as a single speed! I bought a couple 
>>> of chains, a chain tool, and a pile of rear cogs. After 500,000 attempts, I 
>>> nailed it. 
>>>
>>> My first ride was from our place on the north side, down through various 
>>> paths in Lincoln Park, to State Street in the Gold Coast, into the loop, 
>>> then South on Michigan to Hyde Park, and back home along the Lakefront. It 
>>> was a gorgeous evening in mid-June, warm but not hot. The bike took me 
>>> straight back to childhood. It was geared way too high, so each turn of the 
>>> pedals rushed me forward. I've been riding a coaster brake Raleigh 20 for 
>>> years, and am very comfortable with that setup. For city riding, it 
>>> requires focus and a lot of anticipation, which are good practices 
>>> regardless of how you stop. The 2 speed kickback wasn't immediately 
>>> intuitive, but I immediately loved both the limitation it imposes, and the 
>>> option it provides. After a few months, switching between the two gears has 
>>> become second nature. 
>>>
>>> We spent a month up in Michigan this summer. Before leaving, I took the 
>>> bike back to Boulevard to make sure I hadn't done anything that would kill 
>>> me. I asked them to switch the gearing, anticipating a lot of hills in 
>>> Michigan. It didn't take them nearly as long as it took me, and they set up 
>>> a perfect gear ratio. I rode a mix of pavement, dirt roads and forest 
>>> trails daily, and grew to love the bike more with each ride. It is 
>>> comfortable and aggressive, quite relaxed, but able to burst and leap. The 
>>> hills made my legs stronger. I'll probably switch to a more conventional 
>>> setup with rim brakes and a rear derailer eventually, but for now, I'm in 
>>> bike heaven. 
>>>
>>> Gratefully, 
>>> Matt in Chicago
>>> [image: IMG_1873.JPG]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Mackenzy Albright]

I ran a porteur rack and large basket on my romanceur and never noticed the 
weight. I'd be surprised when I took it off how much the rack+basket 
weighed. Riding I found it to be no issue. I could load it up and it was 
never an issue. I actually found it a bit too wispy unloaded - but I rarely 
go on a ride with *nothing* with me. 

Once I purchased a new style clem smith jr the wheel flop even with just a 
rack and basket drove me nuts. Loaded up with lots of tools or groceries it 
rides OK. but it didn't have the same effortless *pushing a wheelbarrow* 
feel my romanceur had. I feel it lacks the nimble aspect that works well 
bike camping riding gear on slower trails. 

I recently acquired a first generation Clementine - I find it's somewhere 
in between the Romanceur and Clem Smith. I read somewhere Clementines were 
a Hunqapillar front end with a swooped TT and longer rear Tri. It rides 
best unloaded. But doesn't have the same flop as JR making it tolerable 
lugging larger loads of tools or groceries. It's fine for now. I think once 
I get bike camping with it i'll have to be more creative dispersing weight 
rather than jamming it all in my front basket or large front porteur bag. 

Trail definitely seems to be the biggest factor IMO. I'd love a custom low 
trail hunqapillar(ish) bike one day. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:00:27 PM UTC-7 freem...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, and thank you for posting this. 
>
> I was just about to order one to put on my, 'new to me' early aughts 
> quickbeam. I was curious on it's weight and how it would feel.
>
> For years ( about a decade !) I had a Schwinn voyageur with the surly 
> front rack combo - ready to tour, ready to ferry an obscene amount of 
> groceries home. It was heavy and worth it; I'm also ready to move to 
> something lighter with my new quickbeam. Maybe a Nitto M1 or another 
> minimal cantilever attached front rack will be nice. Won't be able to haul 
> as much, but that's okay too!
>
> Side tangent, but related: does anyone have a recommendation for a canti 
> front rack? I was looking at the one on VO - seems decent, but would love 
> to hear other people's opinions.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 3:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> As a non-front-rack guy (so why are you even posting, Joe??) I have no 
>> thoughts on that particular rack, but I DO have thoughts on total bike 
>> weight. When I had my custom designed, then added parts, I leaned towards 
>> as much lightness as I could safely get away with for the use. Lighter = 
>> easier/faster was a consideration, but the main goal wasn't for riding but 
>> moving the thing around. If it's a struggle to get up the steps to my house 
>> or load in the back of the car I'm going to be annoyed by that, the bike 
>> needs to be accessible in all ways. SO. If you're struggling to load it and 
>> can find a lighter/smaller rack to do the same job, I think this is the 
>> way. 
>
>
>>
>> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 2:00:17 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi friends, 
>>>
>>> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec? 
>>>
>>> I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it 
>>> on my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its 
>>> utility but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the 
>>> unloaded bike onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This 
>>> Platy outweighs my rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the Basket 
>>> Rack is mostly to blame. 
>>>
>>> I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new 
>>> setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate. 
>>>
>>> I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the 
>>> Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m 
>>> wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been 
>>> anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else tried 
>>> it and disliked it? 
>>>
>>> I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on the 
>>> front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not liking 
>>> that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking about THAT; 
>>> I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily heavy. Not 
>>> that I’m going for lightweight, here. I mean, look at these pics.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given up 
trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the water, 
heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of the 2020 
Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in minutes. 
Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting. 

But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to 
know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will 
have evened out by now. 

Who is purchasing a Platypus? 

Leah

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[RBW] Re: FS: Campee rear rack, Nitto stem, and Nexus 7 wheelset

[Todd G]

Message sent for the stem, thanks!

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:59:24 AM UTC-7 Pedro wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> A couple of pull-off parts from a Quickbeam I bought off the list a while 
> ago. Located in Washington, DC. Happy to provide some discounts for local 
> purchases. Pictures are here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VBxXAXk2iCaV6a3y9
>
> 1. Nitto Campee Rear Rack - old 32R (?) - $160 + shipping: A few dings 
> here and there, but it's ready for new adventures. 
>
> 2. Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem 90mm length and 26.0 clamp - $35 + shipping: 
> Has some insertion markings, but in solid shape. Maximum insertion is 
> 110mm. 
>
> 3. Rear Wheel - Mavic Open Pro rim with a Shimano Nexus 7 Internal Gear 
> Hub SG-7R46 - $75 + shipping: Since it is a pull-off, I am not sure how 
> many miles it's got on it, but shifts smoothly. Includes the trigger 
> shifter (ST-7S20). Spacing is 130mm. Prefer a local sale due to the weight 
> + size, but happy to ship at buyer’s expense. Pair it with the front wheel 
> for $100 total. 
> 4. Front Wheel - 32H Suzue hub on an Araya rim - $50 + shipping:  
> Original from a Quickbeam. Pair it with the rear wheel for $100 total. 
>
> Pedro
> Washington, DC
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[RBW] Re: Homers and road touring

[Piaw Na]

I definitely would tour with a Homer. Anything that can stand up to riding 
on the kind of unpaved roads that Grant regularly rides on is going to 
handle a load just fine! I actually think that the Homer is better built 
and has a much better geometry than many other well known dedicated touring 
bikes like the Surly Long Haul Trucker. For instance, it has a lower BB, 
making it more stable. Its seat tube angles are usually more relaxed as 
well (depending on size). It has longer chainstays, giving you far better 
pannier hill clearance. Unless your total weight would exceed reason (which 
you can ask Rivendell about), I don't see why you shouldn't tour with a 
Homer.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:12:05 AM UTC-7 Tirebiter ATX wrote:

> I have a question or the group.  I ride a Homer and considering using it 
> for road touring.  Since its not by definition a touring Rivendell, is 
> loaded touring pushing the envelope for this bike?
>
> thanks, 
> Lyman ATX
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[RBW] Rosco Platy build, v1.0

[Allan McLane]

As with all things, plans and reality don’t always coincide but in this 
case my wife is very pleased with her new ride. Most of the parts were 
assembled on an old Royce Union mixte test mule that served for the time 
it’s taken to receive the Rosco Platy. 

The saddle is her favorite… and still to come, Al fender.

Photos here:
https://flickr.com/photos/78369585@N03/sets/72177720302507847  


Partial component list:

Nitto B347 Dove bars

Nitto NTC-225X110 stem w/ Crane bell

Riv Silver 1 shifters

Riv ThumbShifter Mount handlebar clamp for Silver shifters

Shimano un-300 118x68 bb

VO crank w/ TA 26-42 rings 

Shimano XT CS-M771 11-36T cassette

Shimano deore dx rd-m650

Shimano claris fd-r2000

10 sp chain 

Dia-Compe NCG-982 brakes

Kool Stop Cross Brake Pads

Dia-Compe SS-6 brake levers

Pitlock seatpost clamp w/ 34.9 to 29.8 shim

Nitto cable stop AS-2

Ukai rims/Suzue hubs

Grand Bois 584-42 Hetre, extra light tires

RH UD-2 cantilever front rack


Allan McLane

Marlboro, Vermont

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Maxway catalog

[Josh Brown]

I was in Taichung over the summer on a bike tour and had my Taiwanese
cousin call Maxway to see if I could check out the factory (and see if
there was a seconds bin).

It didn't work out 

Josh in NYC

On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, 7:15 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> [image: Y21T02-frame.jpg]
>
> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 7:14:44 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Is this a production Platy in Artificial Leah Raspberry under a different
>> badge?
>>
>> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 2:06:30 AM UTC-4 M Talley wrote:
>>
>>> Long looking chain stays tho.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 9:24:10 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>>
 https://www.maxway-cycles.com/Y21T02-Trekking-Frame.html

 Platypus but not

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[RBW] Rivendell Silver V-Brake

[Kirke Campbell]

I recall a Blahg post from the recent past in which they wrote about the 
Silver V-brakes in development and posted a picture of the prototypes. Can 
anyone point me in the direction of this post?

Plotting a new build and wondering when these brakes will be available and 
what the arm length will be. Wondering if there is going to be better 
clearance for fat tires and fenders. 

Thanks!
Kirke
Houston, Tx

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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Mike Davis]

If you are in Virginia, you should file a police report.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 2:57 PM Luke Hendrickson 
wrote:

> I aim to appear unskilled (wearing plain clothes only) and less attractive
> as a target (no flashing lights). I also take full lanes and aim to be
> visible as much as I can. I would rather annoy drivers and know that they
> see me than try to be as small as I can and hug the curb and be doored.
> Thankfully I’m also tall and ride a large bike so I happen to ride higher
> than many SUVs.
>
> Regardless, I still get buzzed and cut off. I sometimes feel inclined to
> let the drivers know that driving in that manner is less than ideal. I aim
> to calmly tell them that they scared me a lot and that what they did could
> have injured me. It’s usually well-received. Other times I smile and throw
> a shaka. Again, I believe looming large on the rode helps me.
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:11:51 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Thanks for starting this thread, Eric.
>>
>> As far as biking vs. motorists go, I’ve weirdly come to feel nostalgic
>> about the first few months of pandemic lockdowns, which showed how pleasant
>> urban biking life could be with cities devoid of motor traffic. It was calm
>> and easy; bikers and pedestrians basically owned the streets. It’s
>> horrible that it took an extraordinary global pandemic to show us how
>> cities can be if they are not dominated by car traffic, but I’m afraid we
>> haven’t absorbed the lessons.
>>
>> As life has inched back to “normalcy”, riding on DC streets feels more
>> treacherous than ever. Traffic and aggressive drivers have returned with a
>> vengeance. Just yesterday I was talking to folks in my little riding group
>> about how the 10 mins of negotiating unruly street traffic to reach any
>> number of great trails in DC is the most exhausting part of an all-day
>> ride.
>>
>> I try to communicate with drivers as much as possible, making eye
>> contact, signaling, pointing, gesticulating, thanking them verbally and
>> with a nod and a wave. Most want to be good road citizens.
>>
>> But there are plenty of bad apples who are either just obnoxious,
>> distracted, in too much of a hurry, oblivious, or intoxicated. It’s common
>> around these parts to smell weed wafting out of cars.
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago I was riding solo toward Rock Creek Park, going
>> down a big hill on a road with a bike lane that ends abruptly. I claimed
>> the middle of the road lane, and I saw a car in the mirror approaching way
>> too fast. The driver hit the horn, startled the bejesus out of me, and a
>> passenger stuck her head out of the window shouting, “Get out of our way!!
>> Move your ass to the sidewalk!”
>>
>> At the next block we stopped at a red light and the car pulled beside me.
>> The passengers were mouthing off at me. I said matter of factly, “FYI DC
>> law allows bikes to use full lanes. And in this part of DC it is illegal
>> for adults to ride on sidewalks.” Perhaps it was stupid of me to even
>> engage.
>>
>> The woman said, “Of course you can ride the sidewalk, you are not in a
>> motor vehicle!! You’re blocking traffic, mother fxxker!”
>>
>> The light turned green, I said “Whatever”, pedaled on my way, and veered
>> off the main road. The car turned around and followed me, drove within two
>> feet of my side, and another passenger made like he was going to punch me
>> while shouting obscenities at me. The charming woman in the back seat spit
>> at me. At this point adrenaline took over and I turned again onto a side
>> street and made it up a steep incline faster than I ever would have thought
>> possible. I had to get away. It felt like lunacy.
>>
>> Not long before that I was riding on a painted bike lane (physical
>> barriers are not common in DC) and a woman drove into my lane, clipping me.
>> My left brake lever scraped the length of her car. Somehow I maintained
>> control of the bike with my right hand and pounded on the car with my left
>> as I shouted at her. It happened so quickly, I was only reacting, not
>> thinking. I managed to stop without crashing, I felt my heart pounding out
>> of my chest, then the driver stopped her car, got out, and began yelling at
>> me to watch where I’m going. She threatened to call the police because her
>> car got scratched. It was absurd. I’m grateful that neither I nor my riding
>> companion was hurt.
>>
>> So 99 percent of the time sharing the streets with motorists is fine.
>> It’s the 1 percent that is worrying. My anecdotal sense that aggressive and
>> distracted driving has increased is supported by data that shows that motor
>> vehicles accidents that cause injuries and fatalities have been increasing
>> since spring 2020, despite fewer overall miles driven, reversing years of
>> decline. There’s a lot of speculation as to why the trend has shifted.
>>
>> I’m trying to be even more defensive and communicative as I ride. Some
>> things are out of our control though.
>>
>> On Monday, October 

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstay Living

[Luke Hendrickson]

Beautiful build, Emmet! I’ve also fallen under the spell of the 62cm 
Atlantis. Knobby tires front (2.4”) and rear (2.3”) really complement the 
overall build (friction with 12-32 in the rear and 44-32-22 in the front). 
I was actually shredding on some trails daydreaming about what this would 
look like spec’d as a touring bike. Stoked to hear more from you about your 
lovely Atlantis and also hear more from others about touring with one!

On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 7:23:52 PM UTC-7 e.q.s...@gmail.com wrote:

> Accompanying Album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4bGXtPryjGpsePdx7
>
> Howdy all, 
>
> Just wanted to share my new 62cm Atlantis I received by way of Hope 
> Cyclery. While waiting for this bike to be built due to parts shortage, I 
> came across a Rambouillet that I have been riding religiously (maybe a post 
> for another day). Anyway, this bike is something else. When the bike came, 
> I had issues with reach being completely upright with Tosco bars and a 
> 100mm stem. We quickly switched to the crust towel racks 67cm with a 60mm 
> stem. It completely made the bike for me (95 PBH with a shorter torso). 
> Sitting in the hoods is comfortable for most riding, the drops for the 
> cutty, and the swept back flats for those ghastly western PA climbs when I 
> have to bailout.
>
> It's currently set up with 2.2 UD Mars tires for the dirt. These photos 
> were taken in Stackhouse Park just outside of Johnstown, PA. I have also 
> ridden it in the bits of singletrack around Pittsburgh in the last couple 
> of days. It is unbelievably smooth and completely stable which I'm 
> attributing to those crazy long chainstays. However, it also just tears 
> through everything. It's remarkably fast on the road with this knobby of a 
> tire. 
>
> Riding it like this makes me wonder if anyone has toured on the MIT 
> Atlantis? Maybe with antelope pass tires, it makes me excited to think that 
> it has the ability to be just as capable on paved. 
>
> Best, 
> Emmet
>
>

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[RBW] Long Chainstay Living

[Emmet Sheehan]

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Howdy all, 

Just wanted to share my new 62cm Atlantis I received by way of Hope 
Cyclery. While waiting for this bike to be built due to parts shortage, I 
came across a Rambouillet that I have been riding religiously (maybe a post 
for another day). Anyway, this bike is something else. When the bike came, 
I had issues with reach being completely upright with Tosco bars and a 
100mm stem. We quickly switched to the crust towel racks 67cm with a 60mm 
stem. It completely made the bike for me (95 PBH with a shorter torso). 
Sitting in the hoods is comfortable for most riding, the drops for the 
cutty, and the swept back flats for those ghastly western PA climbs when I 
have to bailout.

It's currently set up with 2.2 UD Mars tires for the dirt. These photos 
were taken in Stackhouse Park just outside of Johnstown, PA. I have also 
ridden it in the bits of singletrack around Pittsburgh in the last couple 
of days. It is unbelievably smooth and completely stable which I'm 
attributing to those crazy long chainstays. However, it also just tears 
through everything. It's remarkably fast on the road with this knobby of a 
tire. 

Riding it like this makes me wonder if anyone has toured on the MIT 
Atlantis? Maybe with antelope pass tires, it makes me excited to think that 
it has the ability to be just as capable on paved. 

Best, 
Emmet

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[RBW] Re: my new 2 speed coaster brake Susie

[Matt Fitzgerald]

[image: IMG_4215.PNG]
Thanks for the kind words, all! J and Leah, here is a photo of the 
drivetrain. 
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:55:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't know if I could live with no front brake lever to grab in an 
> emergency stop - what if I forget it's coaster brake only??! - but this is 
> SO cool. I love the "only what you need and nothing more" look and 
> vibe..nice work, Matt! 
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-7 Matt Fitzgerald 
> wrote:
>
>> I've had my new Susie since June, but ordered the frame months earlier. 
>> This gave me a lot of time to consider the dream setup, and time to sell 
>> the Clem H I'd been riding for a couple of years. I loved that bike, but it 
>> was a bit too much of a Lincoln Town Car to qualify as the dream bike I 
>> dreamt of. This one fits the bill. It is a XL Susie in the green color. As 
>> I purchased parts, I realized I was pursuing an idealized version of my 
>> childhood bike. I grew up in the 1970's in northern michigan, riding a 
>> green Schwinn sting ray that my father refashioned into a "bmx" when that 
>> craze hit. The bike had a wild frame, fat tires, a coaster brake, single 
>> speed, with black handlebars, a black saddle, and green pedals. As an 
>> adult, my favorite (stolen) bike had been a Surly Cross Check set up as a 
>> single speed, with rim brakes and north road bars. I loved that bike's 
>> simplicity. 
>>
>> I'd never built a bike up from the frame before buying the Susie, but 
>> youtube is my friend. While waiting on the frame, I bought a 2 speed 
>> kickback sturmey archer hub, a salsa gordo front wheel with a black rim and 
>> shimano dynamo hub, a black sugino RD2 crankset, a black seatpost, cheap 
>> green oversized mb pedals, a black quill stem, a dynamo headlight, black 
>> handlebar tape, and chunky black grips. All of these items were used but 
>> the rear hub. I had a brooks cambium saddle, Surly ET tires, and an older 
>> Nitto albatross handlebar on a bike I put together for my son. I switched 
>> these out for stuff in our garage and he hasn't yet complained. The photo 
>> below is of the bike with the Salsa sparrow handlebars I switched out for 
>> the nittos. When the rear hub arrived, I took it to the wonderful folks at 
>> Boulevard Bikes (I live in Chicago) and asked them to build a rear wheel. 
>>
>> And then, when the frame was delivered I realized how difficult it is to 
>> set up a bike with vertical dropouts as a single speed! I bought a couple 
>> of chains, a chain tool, and a pile of rear cogs. After 500,000 attempts, I 
>> nailed it. 
>>
>> My first ride was from our place on the north side, down through various 
>> paths in Lincoln Park, to State Street in the Gold Coast, into the loop, 
>> then South on Michigan to Hyde Park, and back home along the Lakefront. It 
>> was a gorgeous evening in mid-June, warm but not hot. The bike took me 
>> straight back to childhood. It was geared way too high, so each turn of the 
>> pedals rushed me forward. I've been riding a coaster brake Raleigh 20 for 
>> years, and am very comfortable with that setup. For city riding, it 
>> requires focus and a lot of anticipation, which are good practices 
>> regardless of how you stop. The 2 speed kickback wasn't immediately 
>> intuitive, but I immediately loved both the limitation it imposes, and the 
>> option it provides. After a few months, switching between the two gears has 
>> become second nature. 
>>
>> We spent a month up in Michigan this summer. Before leaving, I took the 
>> bike back to Boulevard to make sure I hadn't done anything that would kill 
>> me. I asked them to switch the gearing, anticipating a lot of hills in 
>> Michigan. It didn't take them nearly as long as it took me, and they set up 
>> a perfect gear ratio. I rode a mix of pavement, dirt roads and forest 
>> trails daily, and grew to love the bike more with each ride. It is 
>> comfortable and aggressive, quite relaxed, but able to burst and leap. The 
>> hills made my legs stronger. I'll probably switch to a more conventional 
>> setup with rim brakes and a rear derailer eventually, but for now, I'm in 
>> bike heaven. 
>>
>> Gratefully, 
>> Matt in Chicago
>> [image: IMG_1873.JPG]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[jon f.]

Hello, and thank you for posting this.

I was just about to order one to put on my, 'new to me' early aughts
quickbeam. I was curious on it's weight and how it would feel.

For years ( about a decade !) I had a Schwinn voyageur with the surly front
rack combo - ready to tour, ready to ferry an obscene amount of groceries
home. It was heavy and worth it; I'm also ready to move to something
lighter with my new quickbeam. Maybe a Nitto M1 or another minimal
cantilever attached front rack will be nice. Won't be able to haul as much,
but that's okay too!

Side tangent, but related: does anyone have a recommendation for a canti
front rack? I was looking at the one on VO - seems decent, but would love
to hear other people's opinions.



On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 3:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> As a non-front-rack guy (so why are you even posting, Joe??) I have no
> thoughts on that particular rack, but I DO have thoughts on total bike
> weight. When I had my custom designed, then added parts, I leaned towards
> as much lightness as I could safely get away with for the use. Lighter =
> easier/faster was a consideration, but the main goal wasn't for riding but
> moving the thing around. If it's a struggle to get up the steps to my house
> or load in the back of the car I'm going to be annoyed by that, the bike
> needs to be accessible in all ways. SO. If you're struggling to load it and
> can find a lighter/smaller rack to do the same job, I think this is the
> way.
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 2:00:17 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> Can we just talk about the Nitto Basket Rack for one sec?
>>
>> I was so excited when this was made and I got one soon after. I have it
>> on my Overkill Shopping Platypus, and I like the way it looks and its
>> utility but it is SO HEAVY. Noticeably heavy. Like, when I lift the
>> unloaded bike onto my van bike rack I struggle - and I’m no wimp. This
>> Platy outweighs my rear-racked and Backabike’d Clem, and I think the Basket
>> Rack is mostly to blame.
>>
>> I’m toying with the idea of removing it, but then I’d have to get a new
>> setup for my dyno headlight, so I hesitate.
>>
>> I don’t think I’ve heard anyone else complain about the weight of the
>> Basket Rack; I feel like I’m the only one, which makes me suspect I’m
>> wrong. Before I do anything drastic, I just wanted to see if this has been
>> anyone else’s experience. Is the Basket Rack a beast? Has anyone else tried
>> it and disliked it?
>>
>> I know there’s a whole discussion out there about carrying weight on the
>> front. I guess I’ve never had a real issue with it, aside from not liking
>> that the bars swing around when parked. I’m not really talking about THAT;
>> I’m wondering if anyone else finds this Nitto rack unnecessarily heavy. Not
>> that I’m going for lightweight, here. I mean, look at these pics.
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Long Chainstay Living

[Rick Harries]

Great looking Atlantis!  I’m also enjoying a long chain stay bike - a 64 cm 
Homer Hilsen. Wonderful for touring with rear panniers on pavement and the 
occasional tow path and gravel road. Handles 35 lbs of gear in the hills 
and rough roads with an ease that I haven’t found in any of the other 
touring bikes I’ve had. I still prefer the look of a classic level top tube 
bike, but the ride of the LWB Hilsen is a revelation for me. 

Rick Harries
Easton, Maryland

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 3:36:46 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Beautiful build, Emmet! I’ve also fallen under the spell of the 62cm 
> Atlantis. Knobby tires front (2.4”) and rear (2.3”) really complement the 
> overall build (friction with 12-32 in the rear and 44-32-22 in the front). 
> I was actually shredding on some trails daydreaming about what this would 
> look like spec’d as a touring bike. Stoked to hear more from you about your 
> lovely Atlantis and also hear more from others about touring with one!
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 7:23:52 PM UTC-7 e.q.s...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Accompanying Album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4bGXtPryjGpsePdx7
>>
>> Howdy all, 
>>
>> Just wanted to share my new 62cm Atlantis I received by way of Hope 
>> Cyclery. While waiting for this bike to be built due to parts shortage, I 
>> came across a Rambouillet that I have been riding religiously (maybe a post 
>> for another day). Anyway, this bike is something else. When the bike came, 
>> I had issues with reach being completely upright with Tosco bars and a 
>> 100mm stem. We quickly switched to the crust towel racks 67cm with a 60mm 
>> stem. It completely made the bike for me (95 PBH with a shorter torso). 
>> Sitting in the hoods is comfortable for most riding, the drops for the 
>> cutty, and the swept back flats for those ghastly western PA climbs when I 
>> have to bailout.
>>
>> It's currently set up with 2.2 UD Mars tires for the dirt. These photos 
>> were taken in Stackhouse Park just outside of Johnstown, PA. I have also 
>> ridden it in the bits of singletrack around Pittsburgh in the last couple 
>> of days. It is unbelievably smooth and completely stable which I'm 
>> attributing to those crazy long chainstays. However, it also just tears 
>> through everything. It's remarkably fast on the road with this knobby of a 
>> tire. 
>>
>> Riding it like this makes me wonder if anyone has toured on the MIT 
>> Atlantis? Maybe with antelope pass tires, it makes me excited to think that 
>> it has the ability to be just as capable on paved. 
>>
>> Best, 
>> Emmet
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Basket Rack: is it too heavy?

[Luke Hendrickson]

I have the Soma Demi Porteur (rated to about 22lbs.) and enjoy it 
thoroughly. 
On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 6:32:07 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I have a light weight Soma Lucas front rack on my light weight Wabi 
> Thunder and I like it. I don't need a heavy duty rack for heavy loads so it 
> works for me. I usually choose lighter weight accessories all else being 
> equal. I use a relatively heavy Brooks saddle because it is most 
> comfortable for me so the extra weight is worth it. I don't even have a 
> rack on my Clem as I use a banana sack and Randi Jo Bartender Plus and 
> that's all I need. I am considering a rear rack for Clem and would look for 
> something relatively light weight and minimal in design. I estimate my Clem 
> weighs 32 pounds or so and my Wabi 20 and it is very noticeable when I lift 
> the bikes but not too much when riding, other than accelerating from a 
> stop. 
>
> With all that being said, I have no idea if your rack is too heavy, I'm 
> just sharing. lol
>
> Doug
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 9:23:22 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Ah geez, I did an awful lot of talking you out of it for someone who 
>> wants to be talked into it (see, earlier: Why are you even posting Joe??). 
>> Get the stabilizer, keep the rack! 
>>
>> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know, and you’re right. I’m just hoping maybe enough people will give 
>>> the rack glowing reviews that I will cave into groupthink and then change 
>>> my mind, decide it’s perfect and keep everything the way it is!
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> If it feels too heavy to you Leah it feels too heavy. We're not clones, 
>>> everyone's sensibilities are unique. Trust yourself. 
>>>
>>> FWIW, Soma makes an aluminum version of their Porteur rack, which 
>>> weights 794g total vs. 1180g for the steel. That's a lot ! They both have 
>>> the same weight limit, 22 pounds. 
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] WTB/ISO: Blank outer ring for 110bcd 5 bolt crank

[Patrick Moore]

Take a look at BBG Bashguard, who sell all bolt circles and styles and
colors and sizes of bashguards at very low prices. I've bought 2 from them
for non-technical (in fact, non-"bashguard") use to replace the outer ring
when I converted to sub-compact doubles, and they're nice looking --
elegant -- and serve their purpose just fine.

https://bbgbashguard.com/shop

$14 compared to Rivendell's $40, and IMO they look better.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:17 AM Eric  wrote:

> Looking to buy a chainring *without teeth* to install in the outer
> position of a triple Sugino crank with 110bcd and 5-bolt pattern. Ideally,
> I'd be looking to run a 40-42t middle ring, so something similar to what
> Rivendell offers here:
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/silver-chainring-guard.
>
> I am not opposed to buying a new "guard" directly from Rivbike, but this
> is for an everyday commuter, and I'd prefer to find something cheaper with
> a bit of beausage.
>
> I don't own a grinder, or else I would simply grind the teeth off of one
> of many rings I already own. Incidentally, if anyone is interested in
> trading your blank ring for one of my "toothed" ones, I am more than
> willing to trade. Let me know what you're looking for and what you've got!
>
> -Eric
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[RBW] FOUND [ISO/WTB/WTT PAIR of Ortlieb adjustable pannier bottom hooks]

[Patrick Moore]

I found what I need, thanks -- in my bag of Ortlieb bits and bobs. I must
have bought 3 extra pairs instead of 2 extra pairs. Sometimes it pays to
look on the shelf.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 3:05 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> With either knob or allen bolt.
>
> Happy to take singles from different people.
>
> I've bought these from Ortlieb aftermarket but perhaps listers have extras
> for cheaper or trade.
>
> I've got some nice Dia Compe non-aero levers, an old XT rd, assorted other
> odds and sodds.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] WTB/ISO: Blank outer ring for 110bcd 5 bolt crank

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, I got the bibliographical citation wrong. This is the Matthews 1:1.
Matthews 2:1 is the 2020 Riv Road Custom clone built to accommodate a 114
mm OL SA AM hub.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:49 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Here is the BBG Bashguard outer "ring" on my Matthews 2:1 "road bike for
> dirt." Sized for 42 t "big" ring (42/28) on Ritchey Logic triple converted
> to sub-compact double.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Luke Hendrickson]

Yes!!! It looks wonderful. How’re you liking the action/shifting?
On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:15:49 PM UTC-7 J Imler wrote:

> [image: 2E786F40-6A76-461D-9773-2626E7E9D69E.jpeg]
> HAD to have it. Necessitated a two pulley donor to be functional.
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:44:20 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha! Loving the three pulley love on here. Shorter cage with the chain 
>> wrap of long cage rds. Super fun. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:52:14 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly right Eric, that photo shows the third pulley just disengaged 
>>> because it’s in the tallest gear on the cassette and middle chainring. Less 
>>> slack in the chain means the chain is pulling the derailer mechanism 
>>> forward enough to disengage the third pulley. But when you shift down the 
>>> third pulley engages and makes it act like a longer cage derailler, eating 
>>> up slack and avoiding chain slap while all the while keeping the lowest 
>>> pulleys far off the ground. It’s clever! But Dad needs a read rack and 
>>> panniers to make grocery trips easier so the bike will be in my garage 
>>> again soon - I’ll take some closer up photos in different positions then. 
>>> I do wonder ho/if  a significantly larger pulley could do something 
>>> similar but that’s above my pay grade. 
>>> Abe
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:33:01 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nice one, Pancake. Dang, those mechs are wild. Looks like the smallest 
 pulley wheel isn't engaged in this position?

 On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:26:37 AM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:

> [image: D7524129-0A85-4CDF-8977-5CB6316AF1EA.jpeg]Built up a Nishiki 
> Bel Air for my dad as a grocery getter … including the triple pulley read 
> derailer:
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:58:36 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> [image: SunTour 3 pulley system.jpg]
>>
>> A few months ago I saw a SunTour XC triple pulley RD for the first 
>> time. Pictured here. It was on an old mountain bike that hangs high 
>> on a wall in a DC bike shop. I was confused and intrigued. The 
>> extremely ornery, loud, and hilarious shop foreman, who was helping a 
>> customer, noticed me staring at it. He said, “Cool, huh?” 
>>
>> I nodded and pointed to the XC. “It has three….?” 
>>
>> Shouting over the customer the mechanic said: “Exactly, bro. Three. A 
>> triple. It’s wild. That was my daily ride since forever. But you see the 
>> seat tube? Some asshole took a crowbar to the lock and crushed it. 
>> Couldn’t 
>> even steal it properly. It’s too far gone to repair. So I hung it for 
>> posterity. And before you ask, no, I will not sell you that derailleur.” 
>> Then he turned back to the customer.  
>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:56:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I'd buy one of those cool looking Suntour Rd's any day ! Man I miss 
>>> Suntour stuff.  I have no need or desire for a reverse direction RD 
>>> though. 
>>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:46:37 PM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It’s super cool!

 On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:20:03 AM UTC-7 
 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, Luke, I've never seen one of those. I had to check out 
> Disraeli Gears 
> for
>  
> more info. 
>
> "So what in heaven’s name is this? SunTour were wrestling with the 
> demands of the new mountain bikes, with their triple chainsets and 
> huge 
> gear capacities. They hated the very long pulley cages, which had 
> limited 
> ground clearance and irritating chain slap - so they invented the ‘3 
> Pulley 
> System’. With one brilliant stroke it gave huge capacity with a 
> relatively 
> short cage. Ground clearance was restored, chain slap minimised.
>
> Fantastic - except for the fact that it looked so weird that, as 
> you cycled by, dogs barked, babies cried and your friends laughed. At 
> you, 
> not with you. Sales were lamentably low."
>
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 2:14:50 AM UTC-4 Luke 
> Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: 40650634-AA3B-48BE-A3F3-09AC3632AB79.jpeg]
>>
>> I shall most likely be buying this as my friend (Jim of Merry 
>> Sales) is involved, I want to support Riv, and this will officially 
>> be the 
>> only good-looking contemporary rd made. That said, I happen to love 
>> what 
>> I’m running rn: a three pulley Suntour XC from about 1986.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:40:59 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>

Re: [RBW] WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[Joe G]

I inquired with Spencer at Riv a while back when I got my set of bars.  I
was told that 750mm sets are not actually a thing yet but they may expect
them in this coming year.I tried to find the email but think I deleted
it.  I would suggest following up with him.   I tried to find my email but
think I deleted it… If I recall correctly he made it sound as though there
are no 750 wavies out there new or used as they have yet to hit the
streets.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:15 AM Paul Clifton  wrote:

> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it from
> you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to source
> that bar, please let me know!
>
> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>
> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't
> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track.
> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I
> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>
> Paul in AR
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[RBW] FS: Campee rear rack, Nitto stem, and Nexus 7 wheelset

[Pedro]

Hi folks,

A couple of pull-off parts from a Quickbeam I bought off the list a while 
ago. Located in Washington, DC. Happy to provide some discounts for local 
purchases. Pictures are here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VBxXAXk2iCaV6a3y9

1. Nitto Campee Rear Rack - old 32R (?) - $160 + shipping: A few dings here 
and there, but it's ready for new adventures. 

2. Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem 90mm length and 26.0 clamp - $35 + shipping: 
Has some insertion markings, but in solid shape. Maximum insertion is 
110mm. 

3. Rear Wheel - Mavic Open Pro rim with a Shimano Nexus 7 Internal Gear Hub 
SG-7R46 - $75 + shipping: Since it is a pull-off, I am not sure how many 
miles it's got on it, but shifts smoothly. Includes the trigger shifter 
(ST-7S20). Spacing is 130mm. Prefer a local sale due to the weight + size, 
but happy to ship at buyer’s expense. Pair it with the front wheel for $100 
total. 
4. Front Wheel - 32H Suzue hub on an Araya rim - $50 + shipping:  Original 
from a Quickbeam. Pair it with the rear wheel for $100 total. 

Pedro
Washington, DC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Trevor Bradshaw]

Longtime lurker and Riv owner here. Last summer while riding my Riv Road I 
was run over by a truck rolling through a stop sign. I went down and the 
truck rolled over my bike and right shoulder. It's spooky being under a 
moving vehicle like that. I was pretty mangled, cuts, fractures, dislocated 
shoulder, etc. 

Lessons learned? Traffic is alway more dangerous coming from where you 
can't see. (i.e. intersections) Also, drivers should never roll through a 
stop sign and keep an eye out for us cyclists. That young kid hopefully 
will never make that mistake again. I've been clipped a few times before 
but this was the worst. 

Also: If anyone is looking for a Riv Road 58cm (straight) but needing a 
fork, let me know! It looks good on the mantle but should be ridden again. 

Trevor
Looking both ways in Nashville

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:16:55 PM UTC-5 Curtis wrote:

> Please be very cautious when choosing to engage with drivers.  Only they 
> know what lurks in their minds at that moment.  
>
> Curtis
> Yielding to a 3000 pound mass of steel is a wise decision.
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 2:59 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I moved this year and there's a 55mph 4-lane highway I use a lot, I don't 
>> love the speeds as the cars fly by but the emergency lane is wide and I 
>> don't worry about it too much. What PISSES ME OFF are the honkers who do it 
>> just to startle me cuz I guess it's hilarious.  Not a fan. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:51:24 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> I had an incident last year thar still affects me. I was rolling along 
>>> in the shoulder, enjoying the day en route the donut shop turnaround point 
>>> (30 miles out, 30 back) when a pick up driver tried sideswiping me. He had 
>>> to aim for me, this was intentional. My reactions meant I swerved clear, 
>>> almost hard enough to take myself off. Luckily my tires held.
>>>
>>> I had no interaction with driver prior to this. It was a driver who just 
>>> wanted to punish a cyclist. 
>>>
>>> I still feel stress following this incident and no longer ride that 
>>> route at all. It's just not fun anymore.
>>>
>>> I do live in oil country and among really good people, there are some 
>>> very entitled and angry people who will bully and intimidate. 
>>>
>>> Dealing with this stuff is difficult, but I would say this forum.is 
>>> probably not the place for it.
>>>
>>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I got "the honk" a couple weeks ago. I was on a residential street that 
 narrows down from 35mph posted limit to 25 as it comes around a tight 
 curve 
 and shoots downhill. At the crest I took the lane with the knowledge that 
 shortly I would be rolling at near 25 and a big black lifted pickup came 
 off a side street at the same time. HONK! It was stupid and I briefly 
 considered getting aggressive with cowboy, but I just as quickly deduced 
 that getting run over or shot was probably not a good plan. I moved over 
 and let Jethro through. My advice is always move over and let Jethro 
 through, you're not going to win that incredibly stupid battle. 

 On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be 
> a great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some 
> experiences, vent or commiserate. *
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. 
> There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 
> mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables 
> and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, 
> landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm 
> about to pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork 
> off 
> the road!" kind of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Front low rider rack for Sam Hillborne

['Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Bob:
Have you tried the Tubus Grand Expedition front rack? It's not a tiny rack. 
I've been running it for dirt touring/bikepacking and am very pleased with it 
(as well as the rear counterpart).
Good luck in your search.
Scott

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 04:15:44 PM MDT, BobW  
wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the input.  Ideally, I'm looking for a rack where the attachment 
point align with the standard Riv braze on point at the dropout and mid-fork.  
It appears that the Nitto Mark's MF2 rack that Rive carries works, but is kind 
of pricey @ $221 
(https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-marks-hub-area-rack-with-hoop-mf2-20236?_pos=6&_sid=f551ef3e9&_ss=r)So
 looking for less expensive alternatives to this.  Thanks!!

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:36:29 AM UTC-4 brianmark...@gmail.com wrote:

Not that it's entirely helpful, but when I had a buddy add canti posts to my 
Sam for a 650b conversion, I also had him add lowrider bosses for a Tubus Tara. 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:13:45 AM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

Here's how I did it:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/bQ6G2tBKHaWeErrr8
I never really used it, but I don't like racks and prefer large front handlebar 
bags.

On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 4:55:28 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:

I'm considering taking my Sam on some bike tours so looking into from lowrider 
rack for front panniers.  I already have a rear Tubus rack, so would be wanting 
to utilize the low riders for additional panniers.  Looking for suggestions for 
proven solutions that fit the same well.   BTW, my Sam is a non-canti model - 
sidepull calipers.
Thanks!!




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Re: [RBW] WTB: inexpensive rear rack

[Patrick Moore]

You may reject Amazon, and I don't blame you, but Amazon has the lovely
chromo Tubus Fly for $88:

https://www.amazon.com/Tubus-Rear-Bicycle-Rack-Black/dp/B000SJ3JA6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=27AANSDTSMAS8=tubus+fly=1665362813=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjkwIiwicXNhIjoiMC44MSIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D=sporting-goods=tubus+fly%2Csporting%2C166=1-1

I've used several chromo Flys and presently use a ss one; the chromos are
cheaper and are rated for a higher load; 20 kg IIRC. Very stiff; I carried
40+ lb grocery loads on a lightweight, thinwall, standard gauge 531 frame
with a chromo Fly with very little waggle and no breakage.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 6:19 PM James  wrote:

> I am looking to acquire an inexpensive rear rack.  One that will hold
> panniers (as opposed to a saddle bag support rack).  $100 shipped is my max
> - ideally in the $75 range.  I'm in Western NC.  Send me a PM if you think
> you may have something you'd like to part with.
>
> Best,
> James
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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Luke Hendrickson]

I aim to appear unskilled (wearing plain clothes only) and less attractive 
as a target (no flashing lights). I also take full lanes and aim to be 
visible as much as I can. I would rather annoy drivers and know that they 
see me than try to be as small as I can and hug the curb and be doored. 
Thankfully I’m also tall and ride a large bike so I happen to ride higher 
than many SUVs.

Regardless, I still get buzzed and cut off. I sometimes feel inclined to 
let the drivers know that driving in that manner is less than ideal. I aim 
to calmly tell them that they scared me a lot and that what they did could 
have injured me. It’s usually well-received. Other times I smile and throw 
a shaka. Again, I believe looming large on the rode helps me.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:11:51 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Thanks for starting this thread, Eric. 
>
> As far as biking vs. motorists go, I’ve weirdly come to feel nostalgic 
> about the first few months of pandemic lockdowns, which showed how pleasant 
> urban biking life could be with cities devoid of motor traffic. It was calm 
> and easy; bikers and pedestrians basically owned the streets. It’s 
> horrible that it took an extraordinary global pandemic to show us how 
> cities can be if they are not dominated by car traffic, but I’m afraid we 
> haven’t absorbed the lessons.  
>
> As life has inched back to “normalcy”, riding on DC streets feels more 
> treacherous than ever. Traffic and aggressive drivers have returned with a 
> vengeance. Just yesterday I was talking to folks in my little riding group 
> about how the 10 mins of negotiating unruly street traffic to reach any 
> number of great trails in DC is the most exhausting part of an all-day 
> ride. 
>
> I try to communicate with drivers as much as possible, making eye contact, 
> signaling, pointing, gesticulating, thanking them verbally and with a nod 
> and a wave. Most want to be good road citizens. 
>
> But there are plenty of bad apples who are either just obnoxious, 
> distracted, in too much of a hurry, oblivious, or intoxicated. It’s common 
> around these parts to smell weed wafting out of cars.
>
> A couple of weeks ago I was riding solo toward Rock Creek Park, going down 
> a big hill on a road with a bike lane that ends abruptly. I claimed the 
> middle of the road lane, and I saw a car in the mirror approaching way too 
> fast. The driver hit the horn, startled the bejesus out of me, and a 
> passenger stuck her head out of the window shouting, “Get out of our way!! 
> Move your ass to the sidewalk!” 
>
> At the next block we stopped at a red light and the car pulled beside me. 
> The passengers were mouthing off at me. I said matter of factly, “FYI DC 
> law allows bikes to use full lanes. And in this part of DC it is illegal 
> for adults to ride on sidewalks.” Perhaps it was stupid of me to even 
> engage.
>
> The woman said, “Of course you can ride the sidewalk, you are not in a 
> motor vehicle!! You’re blocking traffic, mother fxxker!”
>
> The light turned green, I said “Whatever”, pedaled on my way, and veered 
> off the main road. The car turned around and followed me, drove within two 
> feet of my side, and another passenger made like he was going to punch me 
> while shouting obscenities at me. The charming woman in the back seat spit 
> at me. At this point adrenaline took over and I turned again onto a side 
> street and made it up a steep incline faster than I ever would have thought 
> possible. I had to get away. It felt like lunacy. 
>
> Not long before that I was riding on a painted bike lane (physical 
> barriers are not common in DC) and a woman drove into my lane, clipping me. 
> My left brake lever scraped the length of her car. Somehow I maintained 
> control of the bike with my right hand and pounded on the car with my left 
> as I shouted at her. It happened so quickly, I was only reacting, not 
> thinking. I managed to stop without crashing, I felt my heart pounding out 
> of my chest, then the driver stopped her car, got out, and began yelling at 
> me to watch where I’m going. She threatened to call the police because her 
> car got scratched. It was absurd. I’m grateful that neither I nor my riding 
> companion was hurt. 
>
> So 99 percent of the time sharing the streets with motorists is fine. It’s 
> the 1 percent that is worrying. My anecdotal sense that aggressive and 
> distracted driving has increased is supported by data that shows that motor 
> vehicles accidents that cause injuries and fatalities have been increasing 
> since spring 2020, despite fewer overall miles driven, reversing years of 
> decline. There’s a lot of speculation as to why the trend has shifted.  
>
> I’m trying to be even more defensive and communicative as I ride. Some 
> things are out of our control though. 
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:04:59 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I think the current worst I have had is when a car or truck buzzes too 
>> close for comfort.  I am 

[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Putting on the Admin Cap...

In the past I've pulled threads like this as they veered quickly and 
strongly off topic and tended to end up in Polemic-ville. 

I'd like to remind everyone, particularly newer members, of the narrower 
focus of this group. It's by design and has generally served us well for 
many years. General topics outside of Rivendell Bicycle Works are best 
covered in more general groups such as iBob, etc. 

Whether driver obliviousness or intentional maliciousness, we are unlikely 
to solve it here. 

I thank those who have shared stories and maintained a moderated tone so 
far, and I'll ask that any other member consider before posting whether 
adding to this thread is helpful. 

Thank you. 
Jim / Admin

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
> vent or commiserate. *
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>
> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>
> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
> middle of the road. 
>
> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
> could not get to me. 
>
> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk 
> or hit their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front 
> brake cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates. 
>
> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door 
> with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the 
> driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with 
> anything showing me or the driver. There was a clip of the driver revving 
> their engine behind me and throwing the can. You can see the can fly 
> through the air and hear it land in the street. I got a good profile shot 
> of the car (2005 Acura TL, maroon with custom window trim), but no view of 
> the tags. 
>
> This is, by far, the worst interaction I've had with a motorist. I've only 
> been riding for a few years. There are others that aren't nearly as bad but 
> still register 

[RBW] Re: Homers and road touring

[iamkeith]

I've probably linked to this page in a half dozen threads over the years, 
but it seems appropriate again.  This is from Peter White's website, from 
back when he was a Riv dealer (and from the era when I bought my Ram.)  
Perceptions change but, at the time, the Homer WAS considered a touring 
bike.  Maybe not Atlantis-rugged, but not Atlantis-heavy, either.  I now 
have a Suluki so I haven't followed all of the Homer changes over time, but 
it seems it's gotten more stout if anything.  And longer, which should make 
it more stable.  Personally, I wouldn't hesitate, especially if you're 
talking about pavement and or credit-card touring rather than 
survival/camping/offroad touring.

Here's a relevant excerpt from Peter's page:

"These two frames are so similar, I've decided to keep them on the same 
page, at least until I think of a reason not to. If you start from the 
Rambouillet, the Hilsen has longer chainstays, by one centimeter. It also 
requires longer caliper brakes, because it has clearance for larger tires. 
Essentially the Rambouillet is great for fast day riding with the racer 
wannabees, brevets and credit card touring. The Hilsen is more into the 
loaded touring category. When you put full panniers on it, the handling 
will be a bit more stable than if you load down the Rambouillet. And with 
fat tires on the Hilsen, dirt roads will be more comfortable to ride on all 
day."

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/rambouillet.php


On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:44:13 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

> I would say loaded touring IS pushing the envelope for a Homer.  Better 
> would be a Sam, best would probably be an Atlantis or Appaloosa.
> I bought a Homer for not-so-loaded touring, and found it was not the bike 
> for the job for me.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Joe Bernard]

"So 99 percent of the time sharing the streets with motorists is fine. It’s 
the 1 percent that is worrying. My anecdotal sense that aggressive and 
distracted driving has increased is supported by data that shows that motor 
vehicles accidents that cause injuries and fatalities have been increasing 
since spring 2020, despite fewer overall miles driven, reversing years of 
decline. There’s a lot of speculation as to why the trend has shifted."

Yeah it's a problem. There's a really nasty polarization infecting this 
country right now and cyclists are viewed as being on a certain side of it. 
I know why I'm seeing more aggression out there and it's not fun. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:11:51 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Thanks for starting this thread, Eric. 
>
> As far as biking vs. motorists go, I’ve weirdly come to feel nostalgic 
> about the first few months of pandemic lockdowns, which showed how pleasant 
> urban biking life could be with cities devoid of motor traffic. It was calm 
> and easy; bikers and pedestrians basically owned the streets. It’s 
> horrible that it took an extraordinary global pandemic to show us how 
> cities can be if they are not dominated by car traffic, but I’m afraid we 
> haven’t absorbed the lessons.  
>
> As life has inched back to “normalcy”, riding on DC streets feels more 
> treacherous than ever. Traffic and aggressive drivers have returned with a 
> vengeance. Just yesterday I was talking to folks in my little riding group 
> about how the 10 mins of negotiating unruly street traffic to reach any 
> number of great trails in DC is the most exhausting part of an all-day 
> ride. 
>
> I try to communicate with drivers as much as possible, making eye contact, 
> signaling, pointing, gesticulating, thanking them verbally and with a nod 
> and a wave. Most want to be good road citizens. 
>
> But there are plenty of bad apples who are either just obnoxious, 
> distracted, in too much of a hurry, oblivious, or intoxicated. It’s common 
> around these parts to smell weed wafting out of cars.
>
> A couple of weeks ago I was riding solo toward Rock Creek Park, going down 
> a big hill on a road with a bike lane that ends abruptly. I claimed the 
> middle of the road lane, and I saw a car in the mirror approaching way too 
> fast. The driver hit the horn, startled the bejesus out of me, and a 
> passenger stuck her head out of the window shouting, “Get out of our way!! 
> Move your ass to the sidewalk!” 
>
> At the next block we stopped at a red light and the car pulled beside me. 
> The passengers were mouthing off at me. I said matter of factly, “FYI DC 
> law allows bikes to use full lanes. And in this part of DC it is illegal 
> for adults to ride on sidewalks.” Perhaps it was stupid of me to even 
> engage.
>
> The woman said, “Of course you can ride the sidewalk, you are not in a 
> motor vehicle!! You’re blocking traffic, mother fxxker!”
>
> The light turned green, I said “Whatever”, pedaled on my way, and veered 
> off the main road. The car turned around and followed me, drove within two 
> feet of my side, and another passenger made like he was going to punch me 
> while shouting obscenities at me. The charming woman in the back seat spit 
> at me. At this point adrenaline took over and I turned again onto a side 
> street and made it up a steep incline faster than I ever would have thought 
> possible. I had to get away. It felt like lunacy. 
>
> Not long before that I was riding on a painted bike lane (physical 
> barriers are not common in DC) and a woman drove into my lane, clipping me. 
> My left brake lever scraped the length of her car. Somehow I maintained 
> control of the bike with my right hand and pounded on the car with my left 
> as I shouted at her. It happened so quickly, I was only reacting, not 
> thinking. I managed to stop without crashing, I felt my heart pounding out 
> of my chest, then the driver stopped her car, got out, and began yelling at 
> me to watch where I’m going. She threatened to call the police because her 
> car got scratched. It was absurd. I’m grateful that neither I nor my riding 
> companion was hurt. 
>
> So 99 percent of the time sharing the streets with motorists is fine. It’s 
> the 1 percent that is worrying. My anecdotal sense that aggressive and 
> distracted driving has increased is supported by data that shows that motor 
> vehicles accidents that cause injuries and fatalities have been increasing 
> since spring 2020, despite fewer overall miles driven, reversing years of 
> decline. There’s a lot of speculation as to why the trend has shifted.  
>
> I’m trying to be even more defensive and communicative as I ride. Some 
> things are out of our control though. 
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:04:59 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I think the current worst I have had is when a car or truck buzzes too 
>> close for comfort.  I am not always looking in my rear glasses mounted 
>> mirror.  Instinct sometimes move 

[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Wesley]

I've been riding for many years in many places, and my worst experience 
(one of very few dangerous experiences) was this past summer. Near my house 
is a four-lane crossing over a freeway where the freeway is dug into a 
narrow channel, so it's not a long crossing and does not require a climb. 
Traffic is mild. Starting from a stoplight, I made a left turn onto the 
crossing, then a right turn off of it. Once off the crossing, I was in a 
bike lane. I guess someone was behind me, because a van pulled up on my 
left, matched my speed, and the driver began yelling something (I couldn't 
make out a single word, and wasn't trying to.) I didn't look in their 
direction or say anything or slow down or acknowledge their presence in any 
way. I guess they found that upsetting because they swerved over to hit me, 
which I avoided by braking. They were now stopped in the bike lane. As I 
moved to go around on their left, they accelerated and swerved into the 
road and stopped. After repeating that cycle once more, we had moved 
forward enough that I could turn onto my street and ride away. The entire 
time, I never said anything nor looked their way, nor did I make any 
gestures. I have no idea what they said nor why were so angry (the greatest 
possible distance they might have been behind me is 50 meters). I just 
didn't want to get murdered by a road racer in my own neighborhood.
-Wes

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 9:41:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
> vent or commiserate. *
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>
> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>
> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
> middle of the road. 
>
> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
> could not get to me. 
>
> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk 
> or hit their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front 
> brake cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates. 
>
> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ken, you just reminded me of many years ago on a quiet countryside 2 lane road, 
I was riding to the right and I assume it was kids that threw a full big cup of 
ice filled liquid in what kind of car I have no recollection. Yea they got me 
and I really wanted to get them but was too stunned. People can just be stupid 
thinking they are funny.

Sent from Proton Mail for iOS

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 1:52 PM, Ken Yokanovich  
wrote:

> Preface: I don't condone my choice of action
> Years ago, I had a group of teens hit me with a full gallon-sized (or metric 
> equivalent) bottle of Gatorade thrown out the car window as they swerved 
> uncomfortably close to me. It was early morning and I presumed they were on 
> their way to school.
>
> I sped up, cut through the neighborhood, and caught up to them idling at a 
> busy intersection. I surprised them with a kick to the door, reached through 
> the passenger window, turned off the ignition, removed the keys, and threw 
> the keys as hard as I could into the nearby thick grass. I calmly said 
> "explain that one to dad" as I rode off leaving them stranded in traffic.
>
> Ken - who now just "smiles and waves"
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a great 
>> idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, vent 
>> or commiserate.
>>
>> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
>> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to driver 
>> inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your fault or 
>> no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a motorist you'd 
>> like to share?
>>
>> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
>> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
>> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
>> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
>> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
>> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
>> the like.
>>
>> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile trip. 
>> I was heading down a one-way street through a residential neighborhood with 
>> street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped park on the left. I 
>> was riding to the right side of the street. This section of road has one 
>> lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for someone to comfortably pass 
>> a cyclist.
>>
>> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
>> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the road!" 
>> kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which is 
>> legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
>> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
>> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn.
>>
>> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
>> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
>> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
>> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
>> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
>> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
>> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
>> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist.
>>
>> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
>> wheel. When I made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
>> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to get 
>> close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
>> middle of the road.
>>
>> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum can 
>> of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was soda, 
>> beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to bail and 
>> get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car could not get 
>> to me.
>>
>> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the sidewalk 
>> the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on their 
>> brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk or hit 
>> their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front brake 
>> cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates.
>>
>> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door 
>> with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the 
>> driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with 

[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Ken Yokanovich]

*Preface: I don't condone my choice of action*
Years ago, I had a group of teens hit me with a full gallon-sized (or 
metric equivalent) bottle of Gatorade thrown out the car window as they 
swerved uncomfortably close to me. It was early morning and I presumed they 
were on their way to school.

I sped up, cut through the neighborhood, and caught up to them idling at a 
busy intersection. I surprised them with a kick to the door, reached 
through the passenger window, turned off the ignition, removed the keys, 
and threw the keys as hard as I could into the nearby thick grass.  I 
calmly said "*explain that one to dad*" as I rode off leaving them stranded 
in traffic.

Ken - who now just "smiles and waves" 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
> vent or commiserate. *
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>
> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>
> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
> middle of the road. 
>
> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
> could not get to me. 
>
> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk 
> or hit their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front 
> brake cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates. 
>
> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door 
> with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the 
> driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with 
> anything showing me or the driver. There was a clip of the driver revving 
> their engine behind me and throwing the can. You can see the can fly 
> through the air and hear it land in the street. I got a good profile shot 
> of the car (2005 Acura TL, maroon with custom window trim), but no view of 
> the tags. 
>
> This is, by far, the worst interaction I've had with a motorist. I've only 
> been riding for a few years. There are others that aren't nearly as bad but 
> still register as scary and 

Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Keith P.]

My son kind of has the worst ride to middle school possible here in Los 
Angeles.
On a main commute artery, over a Freeway, up one steep hill, down the other 
side, starting and stopping shoulder lanes... all during rush hour traffic 
with no alternate routes. 
It's fun, but less than ideal, and far from idyllic.
We are honked at in the street every so often, and wave back as though they 
are saying hello. These are kids folks!

People's impatience and entitlement are vast and unfortunate, but what are 
you going to do? Try and be safe and respectful while sharing the road I 
guess.

I've never been hit or had a serious altercation with a car, but I haven't 
ridden a proper road bike on proper "road bike" roads in decades because of 
the horror stories. 

I used to go on long rides around the city at night when traffic would die 
down to a fraction of its daytime density.
That was really fun and much less stressful in spite of the visibility 
wrinkle of it being dark out. 

Glad most of these stories have ended "safely."
k.
On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:11:51 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Thanks for starting this thread, Eric. 
>
> As far as biking vs. motorists go, I’ve weirdly come to feel nostalgic 
> about the first few months of pandemic lockdowns, which showed how pleasant 
> urban biking life could be with cities devoid of motor traffic. It was calm 
> and easy; bikers and pedestrians basically owned the streets. It’s 
> horrible that it took an extraordinary global pandemic to show us how 
> cities can be if they are not dominated by car traffic, but I’m afraid we 
> haven’t absorbed the lessons.  
>
> As life has inched back to “normalcy”, riding on DC streets feels more 
> treacherous than ever. Traffic and aggressive drivers have returned with a 
> vengeance. Just yesterday I was talking to folks in my little riding group 
> about how the 10 mins of negotiating unruly street traffic to reach any 
> number of great trails in DC is the most exhausting part of an all-day 
> ride. 
>
> I try to communicate with drivers as much as possible, making eye contact, 
> signaling, pointing, gesticulating, thanking them verbally and with a nod 
> and a wave. Most want to be good road citizens. 
>
> But there are plenty of bad apples who are either just obnoxious, 
> distracted, in too much of a hurry, oblivious, or intoxicated. It’s common 
> around these parts to smell weed wafting out of cars.
>
> A couple of weeks ago I was riding solo toward Rock Creek Park, going down 
> a big hill on a road with a bike lane that ends abruptly. I claimed the 
> middle of the road lane, and I saw a car in the mirror approaching way too 
> fast. The driver hit the horn, startled the bejesus out of me, and a 
> passenger stuck her head out of the window shouting, “Get out of our way!! 
> Move your ass to the sidewalk!” 
>
> At the next block we stopped at a red light and the car pulled beside me. 
> The passengers were mouthing off at me. I said matter of factly, “FYI DC 
> law allows bikes to use full lanes. And in this part of DC it is illegal 
> for adults to ride on sidewalks.” Perhaps it was stupid of me to even 
> engage.
>
> The woman said, “Of course you can ride the sidewalk, you are not in a 
> motor vehicle!! You’re blocking traffic, mother fxxker!”
>
> The light turned green, I said “Whatever”, pedaled on my way, and veered 
> off the main road. The car turned around and followed me, drove within two 
> feet of my side, and another passenger made like he was going to punch me 
> while shouting obscenities at me. The charming woman in the back seat spit 
> at me. At this point adrenaline took over and I turned again onto a side 
> street and made it up a steep incline faster than I ever would have thought 
> possible. I had to get away. It felt like lunacy. 
>
> Not long before that I was riding on a painted bike lane (physical 
> barriers are not common in DC) and a woman drove into my lane, clipping me. 
> My left brake lever scraped the length of her car. Somehow I maintained 
> control of the bike with my right hand and pounded on the car with my left 
> as I shouted at her. It happened so quickly, I was only reacting, not 
> thinking. I managed to stop without crashing, I felt my heart pounding out 
> of my chest, then the driver stopped her car, got out, and began yelling at 
> me to watch where I’m going. She threatened to call the police because her 
> car got scratched. It was absurd. I’m grateful that neither I nor my riding 
> companion was hurt. 
>
> So 99 percent of the time sharing the streets with motorists is fine. It’s 
> the 1 percent that is worrying. My anecdotal sense that aggressive and 
> distracted driving has increased is supported by data that shows that motor 
> vehicles accidents that cause injuries and fatalities have been increasing 
> since spring 2020, despite fewer overall miles driven, reversing years of 
> decline. There’s a lot of speculation as to why the trend has shifted.  
>

[RBW] Re: Long Chainstay Living

[brizbarn]

Killer bike.  I'm a PA native but live in Oregon now, gotta check out 
Johnstown some time.  I knew some BMXers from there years ago. I have a 
60cm Appaloosa (very similar to Atlantis), while I haven't road toured on 
it, I've done a few overnight, mostly gravel road trips with it and it was 
a pleasure to ride.  Definitely dig the long chain stays.  The Appa is 
night and day more comfy than my Surly Travelers check that I rode, toured, 
bike packed on for 10ish years, and way more stable feeling when loaded.  I 
run a front Swift rando bag on a small Velo Orange rack daily, and a 
homemade rear saddlebag similar to a Carradice long flap on the rear with a 
old blackburn rack as bag support for trips.  I run 29x2.2 Terravail 
Sparwood tires and ride mostly city miles with them, they are nice and 
smooth but all great on gravel and single track. Basically, the Atlantis 
will be amazing for road touring, I'm sure you'll love it however you set 
it up. and it would probably road tour just great as it is.  Enjoy.

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 6:30:04 PM UTC-7 J wrote:

> Sweet Atlantis Emmet! Don't go letting the dust collect on that big ol 
> Bridgestone now. Hope to see ya at Higher Ground next weekend!
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 10:23:52 PM UTC-4 e.q.s...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Accompanying Album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4bGXtPryjGpsePdx7
>>
>> Howdy all, 
>>
>> Just wanted to share my new 62cm Atlantis I received by way of Hope 
>> Cyclery. While waiting for this bike to be built due to parts shortage, I 
>> came across a Rambouillet that I have been riding religiously (maybe a post 
>> for another day). Anyway, this bike is something else. When the bike came, 
>> I had issues with reach being completely upright with Tosco bars and a 
>> 100mm stem. We quickly switched to the crust towel racks 67cm with a 60mm 
>> stem. It completely made the bike for me (95 PBH with a shorter torso). 
>> Sitting in the hoods is comfortable for most riding, the drops for the 
>> cutty, and the swept back flats for those ghastly western PA climbs when I 
>> have to bailout.
>>
>> It's currently set up with 2.2 UD Mars tires for the dirt. These photos 
>> were taken in Stackhouse Park just outside of Johnstown, PA. I have also 
>> ridden it in the bits of singletrack around Pittsburgh in the last couple 
>> of days. It is unbelievably smooth and completely stable which I'm 
>> attributing to those crazy long chainstays. However, it also just tears 
>> through everything. It's remarkably fast on the road with this knobby of a 
>> tire. 
>>
>> Riding it like this makes me wonder if anyone has toured on the MIT 
>> Atlantis? Maybe with antelope pass tires, it makes me excited to think that 
>> it has the ability to be just as capable on paved. 
>>
>> Best, 
>> Emmet
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Eric Marth]

Thanks to everyone for sharing their scrapes, scares and takes. 

Pam, thanks for these great points about communicating, signaling and 
looking at drivers. I use my bikes for everything I can, as well, though I 
don't cover nearly as much ground as you! I was making a routine trip to 
the co-op grocery in my neighborhood this spring, signaled with my left 
hand to indicate a left turn and the young driver behind me thought I was 
suggesting they pass me. So they passed me as I was about to make my turn. 

Joe, sometimes it pains me to do it but I completely agree that yielding or 
letting go when interacting with a vehicle is the safest course forward. 

Robert, the motorhome stairs in the landing positing! Holy cow! 

George, yes, awareness of blind spots, limits of vehicles and limits of 
what drivers can see are really important. I do wish that more North 
American cities were built in a way that allowed cyclists to ride 
completely separated from traffic and reach their destinations. A cyclist 
sharing a lane with a big dump truck seems like a recipe for disaster. Then 
again, consumer pick-ups are getting larger and more popular every year. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:04:59 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> I think the current worst I have had is when a car or truck buzzes too 
> close for comfort.  I am not always looking in my rear glasses mounted 
> mirror.  Instinct sometimes move me too far right and that has sometimes 
> been a problem,  I only take the lane when on a small narrow lane or when I 
> need to turn left.  This year I have been buzzed too many times and I 
> always leave plenty of room for cars and trucks, trucks have been the worst 
> offenders this year.  A few years ago I was forced off of the road and 
> luckily it was a dirt shoulder and I did hit it hard and the car just sped 
> off.  
>
> This year the worst is trying to get on a road from a shopping center 
> driveway without lights.  Cars with nowhere to go seen to be oblivious to 
> give a bike the right of way, but some drivers are overly courteous, jut 
> make sure the guy coming the other way is also.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>> This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I have to 
>> say that was a good shot by the kid!! Loogie launching must be practiced so 
>> that wasn't his first shot.
>>
>> I've had a few close calls but thankfully no hits as of yet. One thing I 
>> try to avoid is riding directly into a sunset as it blinds me and drivers 
>> as well. A local lady was killed a few years ago (RIP Karen Tinsely) and a 
>> contributing factor was the sun in the driver's eyes. In that case I don't 
>> think there was any bad intention although still inexcusable. If I'm on a 
>> road heading towards a sunset I try to find an alternate route. Be safe 
>> fellow cyclists!
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:18:24 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been riding “seriously” since I was 18 and I’m turning 56 this 
>>> month. It’s surprising how few issues I can come up with when thinking 
>>> back.  99% of the people here do a pretty good job sharing the road with 
>>> cyclists and we have a decent bike infrastructure. People are used to bikes 
>>> on the road. Typically people are too accommodating and want to give me the 
>>> right of way when it isn’t mine. 
>>>
>>> I got hit once. I was descending a decently steep road and there was a 
>>> driveway with a car coming out of a Burger King parking lot. I watched the 
>>> driver look left up the hill, then right, then left again and as soon as I 
>>> neared the driveway he pulled out. So I hit the front fender doing about 30 
>>> mph and flew over the hood. I was surprisingly in ok shape. Nothing broken 
>>> but I had some bruising, some road rash and twisted ankles due to my Time 
>>> pedals not releasing. 
>>>
>>> I was climbing one of the steeper roads here and some kids drove by and 
>>> one hocked a loogie at me. It hit me square in the back and I wasn’t 
>>> wearing a shirt at the time. They are likely still high-fiving each other 
>>> over that one.
>>>
>>> I was commuting to work on what is basically a highway. It is the old 
>>> I15 that runs next to Miramar air base. There is an exit onto a highway 
>>> from that road and I almost got nailed by a driver that tried to sneak over 
>>> at the last minute. I caught him in my rear view mirror after I heard tires 
>>> skidding. My instinct would have been to move to the side but I saw him 
>>> moving that way so I swerved to the traffic side and avoided being hit.
>>>
>>> Another rear view mirror save. I caught a motor home approaching and saw 
>>> in my mirror that his steps were still down and coming right at me. I moved 
>>> over and avoided getting clipped by them and pointed out to the driver they 
>>> were not retracted.
>>>
>>> I can’t recall any deliberately aggressive assaults. I do have a lot of 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[J J]

Thanks for starting this thread, Eric. 

As far as biking vs. motorists go, I’ve weirdly come to feel nostalgic 
about the first few months of pandemic lockdowns, which showed how pleasant 
urban biking life could be with cities devoid of motor traffic. It was calm 
and easy; bikers and pedestrians basically owned the streets. It’s horrible 
that it took an extraordinary global pandemic to show us how cities can be 
if they are not dominated by car traffic, but I’m afraid we haven’t 
absorbed the lessons.  

As life has inched back to “normalcy”, riding on DC streets feels more 
treacherous than ever. Traffic and aggressive drivers have returned with a 
vengeance. Just yesterday I was talking to folks in my little riding group 
about how the 10 mins of negotiating unruly street traffic to reach any 
number of great trails in DC is the most exhausting part of an all-day 
ride. 

I try to communicate with drivers as much as possible, making eye contact, 
signaling, pointing, gesticulating, thanking them verbally and with a nod 
and a wave. Most want to be good road citizens. 

But there are plenty of bad apples who are either just obnoxious, 
distracted, in too much of a hurry, oblivious, or intoxicated. It’s common 
around these parts to smell weed wafting out of cars.

A couple of weeks ago I was riding solo toward Rock Creek Park, going down 
a big hill on a road with a bike lane that ends abruptly. I claimed the 
middle of the road lane, and I saw a car in the mirror approaching way too 
fast. The driver hit the horn, startled the bejesus out of me, and a 
passenger stuck her head out of the window shouting, “Get out of our way!! 
Move your ass to the sidewalk!” 

At the next block we stopped at a red light and the car pulled beside me. 
The passengers were mouthing off at me. I said matter of factly, “FYI DC 
law allows bikes to use full lanes. And in this part of DC it is illegal 
for adults to ride on sidewalks.” Perhaps it was stupid of me to even 
engage.

The woman said, “Of course you can ride the sidewalk, you are not in a 
motor vehicle!! You’re blocking traffic, mother fxxker!”

The light turned green, I said “Whatever”, pedaled on my way, and veered 
off the main road. The car turned around and followed me, drove within two 
feet of my side, and another passenger made like he was going to punch me 
while shouting obscenities at me. The charming woman in the back seat spit 
at me. At this point adrenaline took over and I turned again onto a side 
street and made it up a steep incline faster than I ever would have thought 
possible. I had to get away. It felt like lunacy. 

Not long before that I was riding on a painted bike lane (physical barriers 
are not common in DC) and a woman drove into my lane, clipping me. My left 
brake lever scraped the length of her car. Somehow I maintained control of 
the bike with my right hand and pounded on the car with my left as I 
shouted at her. It happened so quickly, I was only reacting, not thinking. 
I managed to stop without crashing, I felt my heart pounding out of my 
chest, then the driver stopped her car, got out, and began yelling at me to 
watch where I’m going. She threatened to call the police because her car 
got scratched. It was absurd. I’m grateful that neither I nor my riding 
companion was hurt. 

So 99 percent of the time sharing the streets with motorists is fine. It’s 
the 1 percent that is worrying. My anecdotal sense that aggressive and 
distracted driving has increased is supported by data that shows that motor 
vehicles accidents that cause injuries and fatalities have been increasing 
since spring 2020, despite fewer overall miles driven, reversing years of 
decline. There’s a lot of speculation as to why the trend has shifted.  

I’m trying to be even more defensive and communicative as I ride. Some 
things are out of our control though. 

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:04:59 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> I think the current worst I have had is when a car or truck buzzes too 
> close for comfort.  I am not always looking in my rear glasses mounted 
> mirror.  Instinct sometimes move me too far right and that has sometimes 
> been a problem,  I only take the lane when on a small narrow lane or when I 
> need to turn left.  This year I have been buzzed too many times and I 
> always leave plenty of room for cars and trucks, trucks have been the worst 
> offenders this year.  A few years ago I was forced off of the road and 
> luckily it was a dirt shoulder and I did hit it hard and the car just sped 
> off.  
>
> This year the worst is trying to get on a road from a shopping center 
> driveway without lights.  Cars with nowhere to go seen to be oblivious to 
> give a bike the right of way, but some drivers are overly courteous, jut 
> make sure the guy coming the other way is also.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>> This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I 

Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Pam,

Your summary of the things you do on the road, regarding placement and 
communication, is excellent! I try to do all those things. I like that 
humanizing look-back!

Regarding communication/signaling: if I'm in the lane and I need to be 
there to avoid a close pass when there's an oncoming car in the opposite 
lane, I'll stick my left arm out and at an angle, to emphasize the "hold on 
just a sec" to the driver behind me. When it's all clear, I'll then give 
them a "come on through" wave when I move over, followed by a "thank you" 
wave. All this just emphasizes that we aren't in the lane to be jerks, we 
just want to be safe.

I don't have too many bad encounters with motorists -- while I live in a 
dense area, there are many less busy adjacent streets, paths, and 
cut-throughs to use to get around without needing to go on busy roads. (And 
thankfully there are no "stroads" in my area.) My bad encounters usually 
happen when I'm too far to the side of the road and I get a close pass. 
When I catch up to (some of) them, I tell them it's a dangerous move and 
explain that New Jersey has a new four-foot passing law. The drivers I 
speak to are receptive to the message -- they're just oblivious that being 
passed closely is a totally different experience when one doesn't have two 
tons of steel surrounding them.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:04:59 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> I think the current worst I have had is when a car or truck buzzes too 
> close for comfort.  I am not always looking in my rear glasses mounted 
> mirror.  Instinct sometimes move me too far right and that has sometimes 
> been a problem,  I only take the lane when on a small narrow lane or when I 
> need to turn left.  This year I have been buzzed too many times and I 
> always leave plenty of room for cars and trucks, trucks have been the worst 
> offenders this year.  A few years ago I was forced off of the road and 
> luckily it was a dirt shoulder and I did hit it hard and the car just sped 
> off.  
>
> This year the worst is trying to get on a road from a shopping center 
> driveway without lights.  Cars with nowhere to go seen to be oblivious to 
> give a bike the right of way, but some drivers are overly courteous, jut 
> make sure the guy coming the other way is also.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>> This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I have to 
>> say that was a good shot by the kid!! Loogie launching must be practiced so 
>> that wasn't his first shot.
>>
>> I've had a few close calls but thankfully no hits as of yet. One thing I 
>> try to avoid is riding directly into a sunset as it blinds me and drivers 
>> as well. A local lady was killed a few years ago (RIP Karen Tinsely) and a 
>> contributing factor was the sun in the driver's eyes. In that case I don't 
>> think there was any bad intention although still inexcusable. If I'm on a 
>> road heading towards a sunset I try to find an alternate route. Be safe 
>> fellow cyclists!
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:18:24 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been riding “seriously” since I was 18 and I’m turning 56 this 
>>> month. It’s surprising how few issues I can come up with when thinking 
>>> back.  99% of the people here do a pretty good job sharing the road with 
>>> cyclists and we have a decent bike infrastructure. People are used to bikes 
>>> on the road. Typically people are too accommodating and want to give me the 
>>> right of way when it isn’t mine. 
>>>
>>> I got hit once. I was descending a decently steep road and there was a 
>>> driveway with a car coming out of a Burger King parking lot. I watched the 
>>> driver look left up the hill, then right, then left again and as soon as I 
>>> neared the driveway he pulled out. So I hit the front fender doing about 30 
>>> mph and flew over the hood. I was surprisingly in ok shape. Nothing broken 
>>> but I had some bruising, some road rash and twisted ankles due to my Time 
>>> pedals not releasing. 
>>>
>>> I was climbing one of the steeper roads here and some kids drove by and 
>>> one hocked a loogie at me. It hit me square in the back and I wasn’t 
>>> wearing a shirt at the time. They are likely still high-fiving each other 
>>> over that one.
>>>
>>> I was commuting to work on what is basically a highway. It is the old 
>>> I15 that runs next to Miramar air base. There is an exit onto a highway 
>>> from that road and I almost got nailed by a driver that tried to sneak over 
>>> at the last minute. I caught him in my rear view mirror after I heard tires 
>>> skidding. My instinct would have been to move to the side but I saw him 
>>> moving that way so I swerved to the traffic side and avoided being hit.
>>>
>>> Another rear view mirror save. I caught a motor home approaching and saw 
>>> in my mirror that his steps were still down and coming right at me. I moved 

[RBW] Re: Homers and road touring

[aeroperf]

I would say loaded touring IS pushing the envelope for a Homer.  Better 
would be a Sam, best would probably be an Atlantis or Appaloosa.
I bought a Homer for not-so-loaded touring, and found it was not the bike 
for the job for me.

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[RBW] Re: Homers and road touring

[lconley]

A Homer frame would have qualified as a touring bike frame back in the 
seventies. Loaded touring might be at the edge of the envelope today, kind 
of depends on how much you, the rider, weighs, and what "loaded touring" 
means in terms of weight. My Paramount P-15 "touring" bike probably has a 
shorter wheelbase, shorter chainstays and lighter tubing that a Homer, but 
it was at least a sport touring bike way back when. I had front and rear 
Blackburn racks and Kirtland panniers and handlebar bag on it for many 
years (& Esge fenders and a Sanyo bottom bracket generator). Many a racing 
bike has been used for touring with no ill effects.

Laing

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:12:05 PM UTC-4 Tirebiter ATX wrote:

> I have a question or the group.  I ride a Homer and considering using it 
> for road touring.  Since its not by definition a touring Rivendell, is 
> loaded touring pushing the envelope for this bike?
>
> thanks, 
> Lyman ATX
>

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[RBW] Homers and road touring

[Lyman Labry]

I have a question or the group.  I ride a Homer and considering using it
for road touring.  Since its not by definition a touring Rivendell, is
loaded touring pushing the envelope for this bike?

thanks,
Lyman ATX

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wavie Bar 750x31.8

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the info. I did email Spencer, so I'll let y'all know what he 
says, and I guess I'll sign up for the back in stock email.

Paul

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:21:24 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is such a bar. I think it is 
> listed as a possible size, and was teased as a possibility in 2022. Someone 
> please correct me if this is incorrect - I’m very interested in this bar as 
> well!
> Randy in Wisconsin
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:15:09 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> If you have a 750mm wide Wavie bar sitting around, I'd love to buy it 
>> from you. Please send me a PM. If you know another place besides Riv to 
>> source that bar, please let me know!
>>
>> I have the narrow one, but I want the wide one :)
>>
>> Loscos sweep back too much on my Gus, and the narrow Wavie's just aren't 
>> quite wide enough for the handling I want on the chunky single track. 
>> Tumbleweed Persuaders are just about perfect, but they are too wide and I 
>> don't want to cut them down before I give the wide Wavies a try.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS- SON delux/DT Swiss dyno wheel 284.88€

[Mike Godwin]

Is the price difference worth it?  I never liked the buzz with a shimano 
dyna hub. Its not a lot, just there all the time A SON hub may buzz a 
little at the beginning of a ride if the bike has sat for a while, then 
goes away after 1/4 mile or so. Buzz meaning the magnet notchiness 
differences between the two hubs. 

Mike SLO CA

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:47:43 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> I am tempted by this deal. With dynamo on one bike I am keen on outfitting 
> my other bike as well. They have a wheel with a Shimano dyno hub for about 
> half that price. For those with experience with SON and other hubs, is the 
> price difference worth it?
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:44:18 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> To be clear, I’m not selling mine, but there’s one left over there in 
>> Germany, and with the current exchange, this comes out to a very good deal. 
>> And yes, my Rambouillet will look funny with black spokes in front, silver 
>> out back, but it’ll have lights!
>> -Kai
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:21:54 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bike24.com/p2164993.html?searchTerm=Son+delux+dt+swiss=SBP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=SON264810==anonymized=631038
>>>
>>> I can’t afford it, but I bought the second to last one anyways.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS- SON delux/DT Swiss dyno wheel 284.88€

[Ian A]

I have two SON28 Classics and a Shimano DH3n80 (which is similar to the 
3n72 Bike24 offers).  If you can afford the SON, the money is well spent, 
but if budget is a factor, you will not be disappointed with the Shimano 
unit. 

IanA Alberta Canada

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 5:47:43 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> I am tempted by this deal. With dynamo on one bike I am keen on outfitting 
> my other bike as well. They have a wheel with a Shimano dyno hub for about 
> half that price. For those with experience with SON and other hubs, is the 
> price difference worth it?
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:44:18 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> To be clear, I’m not selling mine, but there’s one left over there in 
>> Germany, and with the current exchange, this comes out to a very good deal. 
>> And yes, my Rambouillet will look funny with black spokes in front, silver 
>> out back, but it’ll have lights!
>> -Kai
>> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:21:54 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bike24.com/p2164993.html?searchTerm=Son+delux+dt+swiss=SBP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=SON264810==anonymized=631038
>>>
>>> I can’t afford it, but I bought the second to last one anyways.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think the current worst I have had is when a car or truck buzzes too 
close for comfort.  I am not always looking in my rear glasses mounted 
mirror.  Instinct sometimes move me too far right and that has sometimes 
been a problem,  I only take the lane when on a small narrow lane or when I 
need to turn left.  This year I have been buzzed too many times and I 
always leave plenty of room for cars and trucks, trucks have been the worst 
offenders this year.  A few years ago I was forced off of the road and 
luckily it was a dirt shoulder and I did hit it hard and the car just sped 
off.  

This year the worst is trying to get on a road from a shopping center 
driveway without lights.  Cars with nowhere to go seen to be oblivious to 
give a bike the right of way, but some drivers are overly courteous, jut 
make sure the guy coming the other way is also.  



On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 8:05:44 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Robert,
> This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I have to 
> say that was a good shot by the kid!! Loogie launching must be practiced so 
> that wasn't his first shot.
>
> I've had a few close calls but thankfully no hits as of yet. One thing I 
> try to avoid is riding directly into a sunset as it blinds me and drivers 
> as well. A local lady was killed a few years ago (RIP Karen Tinsely) and a 
> contributing factor was the sun in the driver's eyes. In that case I don't 
> think there was any bad intention although still inexcusable. If I'm on a 
> road heading towards a sunset I try to find an alternate route. Be safe 
> fellow cyclists!
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:18:24 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> I’ve been riding “seriously” since I was 18 and I’m turning 56 this 
>> month. It’s surprising how few issues I can come up with when thinking 
>> back.  99% of the people here do a pretty good job sharing the road with 
>> cyclists and we have a decent bike infrastructure. People are used to bikes 
>> on the road. Typically people are too accommodating and want to give me the 
>> right of way when it isn’t mine. 
>>
>> I got hit once. I was descending a decently steep road and there was a 
>> driveway with a car coming out of a Burger King parking lot. I watched the 
>> driver look left up the hill, then right, then left again and as soon as I 
>> neared the driveway he pulled out. So I hit the front fender doing about 30 
>> mph and flew over the hood. I was surprisingly in ok shape. Nothing broken 
>> but I had some bruising, some road rash and twisted ankles due to my Time 
>> pedals not releasing. 
>>
>> I was climbing one of the steeper roads here and some kids drove by and 
>> one hocked a loogie at me. It hit me square in the back and I wasn’t 
>> wearing a shirt at the time. They are likely still high-fiving each other 
>> over that one.
>>
>> I was commuting to work on what is basically a highway. It is the old I15 
>> that runs next to Miramar air base. There is an exit onto a highway from 
>> that road and I almost got nailed by a driver that tried to sneak over at 
>> the last minute. I caught him in my rear view mirror after I heard tires 
>> skidding. My instinct would have been to move to the side but I saw him 
>> moving that way so I swerved to the traffic side and avoided being hit.
>>
>> Another rear view mirror save. I caught a motor home approaching and saw 
>> in my mirror that his steps were still down and coming right at me. I moved 
>> over and avoided getting clipped by them and pointed out to the driver they 
>> were not retracted.
>>
>> I can’t recall any deliberately aggressive assaults. I do have a lot of 
>> stupid moves done around me but I know what to look for and am always able 
>> to predict what drivers will do. I confront a lot of people but it’s almost 
>> never worthwhile. Cell phone usage/distracted driving is becoming more of 
>> an issue and that is something I watch out for. Almost nobody stops for 
>> stop signs anymore either and red light are not always obeyed these days.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
>> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
>> vent or commiserate. *
>>
>>
>> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
>> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
>> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
>> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
>> motorist you'd like to share? 
>>
>> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
>> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
>> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
>> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 

[RBW] Re: WTB: inexpensive rear rack

[Conway Bennett]

James,

I have a Blackburn Ex-2 Expedition rear rack that is barely used and 
probably hasn't been on a bike in a decade.  Make me an offer shipped from 
Chicagoland.  I will use pirate ship, so it should not be more than $15 to 
ship.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 7:19:29 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I am looking to acquire an inexpensive rear rack.  One that will hold 
> panniers (as opposed to a saddle bag support rack).  $100 shipped is my max 
> - ideally in the $75 range.  I'm in Western NC.  Send me a PM if you think 
> you may have something you'd like to part with.
>
> Best,
> James
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Shiny Rack

[Doug H.]

Ray,
This is a good deal and I would buy it if I could figure out a way I could 
mount my rear Topline B dynamo taillight. Any ideas?
Doug

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:48:38 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:

> Offered is a Rivendell Shiny Rack 
> As new, never used. All mounting hardware in original condition. 
> $150 for local pickup 
> $160 shipped
>
> Email rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Doug H.]

Robert,
This is a serious topic but the loogie story made my chuckle. I have to say 
that was a good shot by the kid!! Loogie launching must be practiced so 
that wasn't his first shot.

I've had a few close calls but thankfully no hits as of yet. One thing I 
try to avoid is riding directly into a sunset as it blinds me and drivers 
as well. A local lady was killed a few years ago (RIP Karen Tinsely) and a 
contributing factor was the sun in the driver's eyes. In that case I don't 
think there was any bad intention although still inexcusable. If I'm on a 
road heading towards a sunset I try to find an alternate route. Be safe 
fellow cyclists!
Doug
Athens, Ga

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:18:24 PM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I’ve been riding “seriously” since I was 18 and I’m turning 56 this month. 
> It’s surprising how few issues I can come up with when thinking back.  99% 
> of the people here do a pretty good job sharing the road with cyclists and 
> we have a decent bike infrastructure. People are used to bikes on the road. 
> Typically people are too accommodating and want to give me the right of way 
> when it isn’t mine. 
>
> I got hit once. I was descending a decently steep road and there was a 
> driveway with a car coming out of a Burger King parking lot. I watched the 
> driver look left up the hill, then right, then left again and as soon as I 
> neared the driveway he pulled out. So I hit the front fender doing about 30 
> mph and flew over the hood. I was surprisingly in ok shape. Nothing broken 
> but I had some bruising, some road rash and twisted ankles due to my Time 
> pedals not releasing. 
>
> I was climbing one of the steeper roads here and some kids drove by and 
> one hocked a loogie at me. It hit me square in the back and I wasn’t 
> wearing a shirt at the time. They are likely still high-fiving each other 
> over that one.
>
> I was commuting to work on what is basically a highway. It is the old I15 
> that runs next to Miramar air base. There is an exit onto a highway from 
> that road and I almost got nailed by a driver that tried to sneak over at 
> the last minute. I caught him in my rear view mirror after I heard tires 
> skidding. My instinct would have been to move to the side but I saw him 
> moving that way so I swerved to the traffic side and avoided being hit.
>
> Another rear view mirror save. I caught a motor home approaching and saw 
> in my mirror that his steps were still down and coming right at me. I moved 
> over and avoided getting clipped by them and pointed out to the driver they 
> were not retracted.
>
> I can’t recall any deliberately aggressive assaults. I do have a lot of 
> stupid moves done around me but I know what to look for and am always able 
> to predict what drivers will do. I confront a lot of people but it’s almost 
> never worthwhile. Cell phone usage/distracted driving is becoming more of 
> an issue and that is something I watch out for. Almost nobody stops for 
> stop signs anymore either and red light are not always obeyed these days.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
> vent or commiserate. *
>
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
> middle of the lane for 

[RBW] Re: FS- SON delux/DT Swiss dyno wheel 284.88€

[Doug H.]

I am tempted by this deal. With dynamo on one bike I am keen on outfitting 
my other bike as well. They have a wheel with a Shimano dyno hub for about 
half that price. For those with experience with SON and other hubs, is the 
price difference worth it?
Doug

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:44:18 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

>
> To be clear, I’m not selling mine, but there’s one left over there in 
> Germany, and with the current exchange, this comes out to a very good deal. 
> And yes, my Rambouillet will look funny with black spokes in front, silver 
> out back, but it’ll have lights!
> -Kai
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:21:54 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.bike24.com/p2164993.html?searchTerm=Son+delux+dt+swiss=SBP=production_SEARCH_INDEX_EN=SON264810==anonymized=631038
>>
>> I can’t afford it, but I bought the second to last one anyways.
>> -Kai
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Steven Sweedler]

I completely agree about communication, I point  to where I am going and
wave a lot, I do try to keep my finger salute in my head only, it rarely
improves anything. Steve

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 7:40 AM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> I haven't read all the posts except the first one but couple of things...
> I teach Cycling Savvy (
> https://cyclingsavvy.org/event/3-part-workshop-charlotte-nc-oct-21-23/2022-10-21/)
>  which
> teaches communication and cooperation.  I never use the one finger salute,
> I always use the friendly wave and smile tactic.  (I don't give anyone the
> power to ruin my ride.)  But before that I communicate in four redundant
> ways.  1) Lane selection - using the lane for my intended direction, i.e.
> the left lane if I'm making a L.  2) Lane positioning - positioning myself
> for my direction of travel, i.e. in the left side of the lane if I'm
> turning right.  3) Shoulder check - this helps build empathy by humanizing
> yourself.  You have a life which is valuable.  And this acknowledges the
> motorists presence.  4) Signaling - your next move.  In the original post,
> I'd have signaled either R or L.  If I'm not making a turn and I do not
> want to release the lane or can't release the lane, I'd hold up my pointer
> finger indicating I need a second.  Communicating helps defuse a possibly
> tense situation.  While this is not fool proof, it generally works most of
> the time.  I ride daily.  I ride wherever I need to go.  And mostly I have
> 95% good experiences.  The bad ones I chalk up to people who are frustrated
> being trapped in a car.  And they'd be having a bad day and honking at me
> even if I were driving a car.  Aggression is not b/c you are on a bike.  It
> may be b/c they are in a car.  Of course, I get a few honks.  But I've
> never had anything thrown at me.  Please come to Charlotte, NC and ride
> w/me and you'll see.  I take people riding all the time and they say
> they've never had such a good experience.  And when I rode the last 5 days
> across NC (365 miles), it was basically the same.  And my goal then was to
> get full lane change passes and I think I got about 90%.
> https://ridewithgps.com/collections/58792
>
> I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way.  We have all experienced
> aggression.  It is real.  I hope this helps.
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:01:54 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> RBW content - I owe my 1998 Rivendell LongLow Custom to getting doored in
>> west Berkeley. I was coming back from (high carbohydrate) lunch at
>> Jack-in-da-Box and was pedaling my lugged steel Centurion past parked cars
>> when a door swung open and caught me in the ribs - immediate full stop. A
>> painful injury, entirely not my fault. Long story short, the car driver's
>> insurance company agreed to a cash settlement, and I poured it it into a
>> custom RBW frame (and full set of components). The LongLow is still in the
>> stable.
>
>
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