[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[Chris L]

I think the Hunqapillar was first offered around 2011 and I have one from 
the first batch, bought from the original owner a few years ago.  

Just as an interesting observation, I've been following RBW since 2011 and 
for much of that time, most of the opinions I encountered outside this 
small community were not overwhelmingly positive.  Now that the whole 
gravel thing has taken off, I've found a ton of respect and admiration for 
Rivendell.  Bike shop employees actually get excited when they see mine and 
a couple have expressed interest, if I ever consider parting with it.  One 
guy, who owns some very cool bikes and even started his own bike company, 
said he knows several guys with Hunqapillars and that would be interested 
in mine. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:56:44 PM UTC-5 johnny@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've been trolling through old Riv Reader's, some fun reading I remember 
> doing a long time ago when those were new. Thanks for sharing and archiving!
>
> Question though, and it's probably an easy one. I own a Hunqapillar and 
> love it. When was the Hunq offered? What years and how many years? Any idea 
> how many frames were sold? 
>
> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 7:28:27 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone. Small update: Reed added the Hunqapillar brochure to the 
>> archive. 
>>
>>
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:59:16 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> Great to see this again, Eric. I *might* have a copy...somewhere. 
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
 catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 

 Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
 http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the 
 site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 

 He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/

 Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have 
 anything that we haven't included please send me a DM. 


- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
- Frame brochures
   - 1995 frames mailer
   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
   - Rambouillet
   - Romulus
   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
   - An early frame paint chart
   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
- Flyers
   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
- Ads
   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
   - A 2014 Cheviot ad




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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Chris L]

*" felt like the front just flipped over on itself"*

That's a good description for what mine feels like.  I also notice they get 
really loud on sharp turns/curves when the tire is inflated to the psi that 
causes the bad handling.  The front tire doesn't do that when it's aired up 
very hard, but that largely negates the benefit of having a fat, supple 
tire.  I could run Big Apples at a much lower pressure and get the cushion 
effect without the squirrely front end handling, but they are just so heavy 
and both had a wobble in them, from the day I got them.  Not the first 
Schwalbe tires I've owned that wobbled, so I'm wary of the entire brand, 
now. 

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:44:23 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> That squirrelly feeling is another thing I noticed with the Naches Pass on 
> my Surly. It was actually the cause of a crash I had on that bike. Front 
> end got all squirrelly on me mid corner and it felt like the front just 
> flipped over on itself... I always attributed it to having stretched out 
> the fit on a too-small frame (I’m 6’1” and bought a 54cm Long Haul Trucker 
> to be able to have it in 26” wheels) and the us having shifted my center of 
> gravity too far off the where the frame intended but having now heard a 
> couple people here mention the feeling on the same slick tires, I’m 
> wondering if it’s not the tires on more “touring” geometry frames, that 
> pneumatic vs geometric trail thing that was mentioned earlier. Very 
> interesting indeed!
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 5:42 PM Chris L  wrote:
>
>> RH Antelope Hill in the Endurance casing on my 54cm Hunqapillar.  I'm a 
>> heavier rider and have to inflate the front to the max of 55 psi to keep it 
>> from feeling squirrely in turns and even then, it sometimes feels off.  Jan 
>> has talked about the effect of psi on cornering with supple tires and that 
>> it's more pronounced with wider tires, so I may try the 48's or even 44's, 
>> next.  
>>
>> I need to get an updated photo with the black grips.  Looks SO MUCH 
>> better than the clear ones.  
>>
>> [image: 54 Hunqapillar.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:53 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Paul - From 
>>> https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/supple-vitesse-ex-700c-clincher-tire,
>>>  
>>> original SV sizes were 23, 28, 33, 38, and 42. My interpretation is that 
>>> Soma is continuing to make the 42mm SV and the statement you quoted should 
>>> be read as the available sizes are now 28c to 42c, (23c no longer being 
>>> made).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:06:07 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm running Soma Supple Vitesse EX in the 700 x 42 on my Sam Hillborne 
>>>> and like them a lot.
>>>>
>>>> I think 380 g's for that size tire is not bad and the price is good.
>>>>
>>>> I just saw on the Soma site they are no longer making that size. Here's 
>>>> their verbiage.
>>>> (Sizes: 28c to 42c 23c (no longer made)
>>>>
>>>> I haven't had any flats yet on them after around 300 to 400 miles.
>>>>
>>>> In my area I'm always dodging glass.
>>>>
>>>> I can't figure the mindset of the goofballs that through glass out on 
>>>> the pavement.
>>>> Makes me want to cuss. Well, I do if I roll over it.
>>>>
>>>> Someone else mentioned the Continental Contact Speed tires.
>>>> I used them on other bikes in a 26" and 700c size and liked them.
>>>> I guess they are discontinued now or at least hard to find. They wore 
>>>> very well for me.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the Continental Contact Urban took over that spot.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running the Contact Urban on bikes in a 26 x 2.20 and a 700c x 42 
>>>> and they roll really well.
>>>> No flats after several hundred miles.
>>>>
>>>> I only run with inner tubes in all my bikes ... haven't tried tubeless 
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> This rolling resistance review guy gave them pretty good marks and a 
>>>> highly recommend status.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-contact-urban
>>>>
>>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Chris L]

I had the same issue and fixed it by going back to Deore V-brakes.  Haven't 
had a single issue with brake squeal since. 

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> I bought Paul brakes for my Atlantis and initially loved them. Now, 
> however, they squawk like a stuck goose. I’ve cleaned the rims, sanded the 
> pads but with no success. They were installed by a bike shop so I don’t 
> think that’s the problem. It’s embarrassing to ride at times. I’m looking 
> for suggestions to ease the noise. Thanks in advance. Bill
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:58:13 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>> I have a set of cantilevers and a set of center pulls, both purchased 
>> used off this list, I think.  What I really like about both sets is how 
>> easy it is to disconnect and re-connect the straddle cables making wheel 
>> removal and installation so much easier.  Even though I didn't pay full 
>> retail they were still quite pricey compared to what I had.  I don't regret 
>> my purchases at all.
>>
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>>
>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:29:03 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Paul brakes are worth it. 
>>>
>>> If you buy, try and decide you don't like them you can sell them for 
>>> close to what you paid!
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:22:34 PM UTC-5 Jay Riley wrote:
>>>
 PS: I'll always keep hydro brakes on the dual-suspension mtn bike.  
 They're cool!  The braking assignment is short, severe braking loads, as 
 opposed to braking loads on a road or touring bike.


 Jay

 Jay Riley, mobile 603-498-5199 <(603)%20498-5199>


 On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 8:44 PM Jay Riley  wrote:

> "the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls" has sent me 
> back to cables and calipers on 2 of my bikes.  Especially if I'm in hilly 
> and mountainous terrain, especially especially when touring with moderate 
> loads (35lbs) in that terrain, disc-brake pads wear out way faster than 
> ol' 
> fashioned brake pads.  Hydraulic discs are super easy to squeeze and 
> modulate, and although my thumbs are already arthritic I can still stop 
> just fine w'cable brakes.  
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Riley, mobile 603-498-5199 <(603)%20498-5199>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 8:24 PM Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, good to know.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock 
>>> on new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on 
>>> the 
>>> road but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable 
>>> Pauls. 
>>> Your results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the 
 Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was 
 just 
 talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers 
 would 
 be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.

 The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?

 On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson <
 philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike 
> around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, 
> woot!). 
>

> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

[Chris L]

Because I prefer really wide tires and no toe overlap, I would prefer 650B 
for my bike.  I looked into having disk tabs added to my Hunqapillar and I 
could buy a different (non-RIV, of course) frameset for what that 
modification would cost, and that's not including paint.  I could have them 
chop off the canti studs and install new ones for 650B, but I would rather 
not do that.  

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:58:10 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> My 'gravel bike' is a Rivendell Atlantis with 650B wheels. It is a 2018 
> model I think, which has long chainstays but a shortish top tube
> that allows for drop bars. There was a choice between 650B and 700c in 
> that size in that year. The bike rides really nicely on a variety of 
> unpaved surfaces, and descends fantastically well. I currently run 50mm 
> tyres with fenders, but I have some 57mm G-ones that I might try some time 
> without fenders.
>
> Cheers,
> Johnny in Belgium
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2023 at 04:02:50 UTC+2 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I looked to 650B as a solution to my particular fit issues for an all 
>> road bike the other year. Grant was very frame size dependent in his 
>> support of 650B and felt that above a certain size (several below mine) the 
>> utility of the wheel size ended its utility. Those considerations are fair 
>> for stock geometry. 
>>
>> The problem for me and my ideal under square (2-3cm) frame dimensioning 
>> is that I get into toe overlap with 700c wheels with fatter tires. I wanted 
>> broader capacity for rougher road riding and load carrying so 650B was my 
>> way to go. I still would rather ride smarter than fasteron unpaved surfaces 
>> and 650Bx42 has provided all the envelope I need without tapping my Walter 
>> Mitty thoughts.
>>
>> I made many purchases and gone down bicycle and equipment rabbit holes 
>> chasing more "performance" only to find out the lease expensive component 
>> of my bike is where the greatest capacity to upgrade resides...me. 
>>
>> I had my 650B bike built and ride it hundreds of miles off pavement, with 
>> fenders, on RH Babyshoe Pass tires set up tubeless on Pacenti Brevet rims, 
>> three years so far without reason to look back or second guess the formula. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:03:47 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some 
>>> smaller Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel 
>>> bike, after all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I 
>>> would classify most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. 
>>> They’ve almost all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern 
>>> gravel bikes have that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, 
>>> really…
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
 lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
 so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
 available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
 something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.

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Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

[Chris L]

The Hunqapillar does have a certain forbidden fruit mystique.  I don't 
think I've heard any other Riv model mentioned as often in the context of 
wishing it would come back.   

For me, the ultimate Riv would have been a 54 or 55 cm, 650b, single 
top-tube Bombadil.  I remember the 52 would have been my size, and too 
small, and the next largest size was way too big, and probably 700c, to 
boot.  I still may 650b my 54 Hunqapillar some day.  I'm guessing it 
wouldn't be hard to mostly hide disk brake tabs in elephant gray paint.

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:03:24 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> *If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version 
> would just be an Appaloosa.*
>
> this is what i tell myself all the time. always wanted a hunq, but ended 
> up with an appa. i used to hate the long chain stays and i still *prefer *the 
> hunq, but I i really like my appaloosa.
>
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:39:49 PM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>
>> RBW have stated at least once that the Hunqapillar will come back, but in 
>> a different form.  I hope that's what is coming in October.  
>>
>> If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version 
>> would just be an Appaloosa.  Other than longer chainstays and probably 
>> heavier tubes, the Appaloosa is very, very similar to the old Hunqapillar, 
>> at least in the mid-sizes (ie, 54 Hunq, 55 Appaloosa).   I would love to 
>> ride my 54 Hunqapillar and the closest to the same size Appaloosa, back to 
>> back, to see how much difference the longer chainstays make.  
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 7:27:36 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Two biggest differences (in my opinion) between a Clem L and either a 
>>> Gus or Susie; the latter are not step through frames & they both have a 
>>> significantly higher bottom bracket than the Clem. I think the Clem is 
>>> accurately described as a “Hillibike”. Gus & Susie are legit mountain 
>>> bikes. Love them both!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2023, at 8:10 PM, ssimarsawhney  wrote:
>>>
>>> My guess would have been 1in threaded with thicker tubing, which feels 
>>> like a clem. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Can someone speak a bit more about the differences between the two? 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:44:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone said Susie and Clem are alike, we said Clem L 
>>>> covers the same territory. Gus is more specifically its own thing, there's 
>>>> no other Riv in the category. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:59:28 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Owning both a Susie and a Clem, I do agree with Garth that they are 
>>>>> almost nothing alike.  On the other hand, I guess I don't see as much 
>>>>> distinction between the Susie and the Gus as some do, and think of them 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> interchangeable.  Just slightly clunkier and stiffer tubing on one.  
>>>>> Assuming it will still have the not-quite-step-through swoopy top tube 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> that lugs could be shared with Charlie, it would be hard  to Imagine 
>>>>> Rivendell having a new set made for 1 1/8" threadless headtubes and 
>>>>> larger 
>>>>> diameter downtubes, but who knows.  It sounds like the scare of losing a 
>>>>> lug supplier has receded for now, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:24:58 PM UTC-6 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The one feature that I see the Gus/Susie just begging for is a set of 
>>>>>> triple bottle bosses on the *rear* side of the seat tube. With those 
>>>>>> long chainstays, it seems the perfect place for another big (1 - 2 
>>>>>> liter) 
>>>>>> waterbottle for those of us in hot, dry locations.
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> Andrew in Sydney
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 02:35:56 AM GMT+10, Brian Turner <
>>>>>> brok...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know anything specific about this new Hillibike iteration 
>>>>>> scheduled for October? Care to make any speculations or predictions? 
>>>>>> According to the latest Riv IG post, it only says "lugged, green and 

Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

[Chris L]

RBW have stated at least once that the Hunqapillar will come back, but in a 
different form.  I hope that's what is coming in October.  

If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer version would 
just be an Appaloosa.  Other than longer chainstays and probably heavier 
tubes, the Appaloosa is very, very similar to the old Hunqapillar, at least 
in the mid-sizes (ie, 54 Hunq, 55 Appaloosa).   I would love to ride my 54 
Hunqapillar and the closest to the same size Appaloosa, back to back, to 
see how much difference the longer chainstays make.  

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 7:27:36 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Two biggest differences (in my opinion) between a Clem L and either a Gus 
> or Susie; the latter are not step through frames & they both have a 
> significantly higher bottom bracket than the Clem. I think the Clem is 
> accurately described as a “Hillibike”. Gus & Susie are legit mountain 
> bikes. Love them both!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2023, at 8:10 PM, ssimarsawhney  wrote:
>
> My guess would have been 1in threaded with thicker tubing, which feels 
> like a clem. 
>
>
> Can someone speak a bit more about the differences between the two? 
>
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:44:08 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't think anyone said Susie and Clem are alike, we said Clem L covers 
>> the same territory. Gus is more specifically its own thing, there's no 
>> other Riv in the category. 
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 3:59:28 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Owning both a Susie and a Clem, I do agree with Garth that they are 
>>> almost nothing alike.  On the other hand, I guess I don't see as much 
>>> distinction between the Susie and the Gus as some do, and think of them as 
>>> interchangeable.  Just slightly clunkier and stiffer tubing on one.  
>>> Assuming it will still have the not-quite-step-through swoopy top tube and 
>>> that lugs could be shared with Charlie, it would be hard  to Imagine 
>>> Rivendell having a new set made for 1 1/8" threadless headtubes and larger 
>>> diameter downtubes, but who knows.  It sounds like the scare of losing a 
>>> lug supplier has receded for now, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 4:24:58 PM UTC-6 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>>
 The one feature that I see the Gus/Susie just begging for is a set of 
 triple bottle bosses on the *rear* side of the seat tube. With those 
 long chainstays, it seems the perfect place for another big (1 - 2 liter) 
 waterbottle for those of us in hot, dry locations.
 cheers,
 Andrew in Sydney

 On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 02:35:56 AM GMT+10, Brian Turner <
 brok...@gmail.com> wrote: 


 Does anyone know anything specific about this new Hillibike iteration 
 scheduled for October? Care to make any speculations or predictions? 
 According to the latest Riv IG post, it only says "lugged, green and dark 
 gold".

 My main questions are:
 Will it have a straight top tube like the Platy / Roscoe Bubbe, or the 
 nice graceful swoopy one like Gus / Susie / Charlie?

 1" threaded or 1-1/8" threadless (like Gus)?

 Heavier tubing (like Gus), or lighter duty (like Susie)?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Chris L]

Read the 1UP descriptions very carefully.  I'm pretty sure when I bought 
mine, they sold a 1.25" hitch version but I think it didn't have the 
ability to be locked to the hitch, which was a must-have for me.  Heck, 
mine might be a 1.25" with a spacer to make it 2". 

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 6:33:43 PM UTC-5 John Bokman wrote:

> Furthermore, I'm interested in hearing from those who use a 1.25" hitch 
> rather than the 2" hitch. I believe my Toyota Matrix can only accomodate a 
> 1.25" hitch (yet to install one). Is the 1.25 inch hitch suitable for a 
> heavy rack such as the 1UP, or other heavy beast?
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 4:30:34 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> in Jacob's excellent picture, it looks like the front wheel is held down 
>> at just about the area my Tubus Tara front rack's hoop is located. I'm 
>> wondering if I were to adjust the holder further in front of the wheel: 
>> Would this compromise security?  Otherwise, I might be able to place the 
>> holder in the 4" between Tara's hoop and the front of my fender? Has anyone 
>> tried the 1up with a Tubus Tara?
>>
>> With auto racks, it seems if it's not one thing, it's another. To think, 
>> I used to ride a bike with no fenders, nor racks of any kind! That was long 
>> ago
>>
>> John
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 4:30:01 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 
>>> 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl 
>>> Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Jacob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
>>> NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
>>> I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
>>> at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:
>>>
>>> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
>>> made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
>>> fenders).
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>
>>> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.

 On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my 
> fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for 
> fenders.  
> And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  
> This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[Chris L]

I've found that the 71cm Jones Bar with his grips is a fantastic setup for 
my Hunqapillar.  LOVE the look of the Bullmoose, though!  

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:46:51 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> That's a great idea, that's what I have on the Jones bar... I'll swap 'em 
> out and try that. Thanks John!
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:37:59 PM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:
>
>> Hello Max!
>>
>> Nice Bombadil and great photos. 
>>
>> For the bullmoose, I find that ergo grips (ergon or anything with a 
>> paddle under your palms) help with the position. Maybe worth a try?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 6:11:20 PM UTC+2 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
>>> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
>>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
>>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
>>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
>>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't 
>>> seem to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>>>
>>> [image: bomba2.jpg]
>>>
>>> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks 
>>> Jason for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering 
>>> some parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
>>> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
>>> iteration. 
>>>
>>> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
>>> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
>>> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>>>  (pretty cool site with 
>>> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
>>> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
>>> recommended.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9934.jpeg]
>>>
>>> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
>>> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
>>> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
>>> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9918.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9923.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
>>> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
>>> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>>>
>>> [image: 4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9930.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
>>> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
>>> before deciding what to do.
>>>
>>> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
>>> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
>>> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
>>> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
>>> build.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9935.jpeg]
>>>
>>> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
>>> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
>>> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
>>> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
>>> road which brought me back home.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9941.jpeg]
>>>
>>> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
>>> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
>>> out again.
>>>
>>> Max near Boston.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Garage Sale hauls

[Chris L]

Love the photo near the end that shows how much the Atlantis has changed 
over the years.

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:08:35 PM UTC-5 nicklin...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was a PERFECT DAY to visit the shop and browse for bits & pieces.  A 
> great turnout.  
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: image6.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 25, 2023, at 2:52 PM, Franklyn Wu  wrote:
>
> I got there just before Riv open the sale. I chatted with people, some of 
> whom I haven't seen before COVID! So many neat bikes 
>  that people rode to the sale. 
> Here is my haul. People post what you got today!
>
> Franklyn
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe V1 build revisited

[Chris L]

I always liked those Rosco's.  I remember the matte green one RBW posted on 
their website and then there was a darker green one that had a horizontal 
second top tube and was taller and shorter (55.5 ST & 600 ETT).   The 
darker one also had canti posts.  I REALLY liked that one.  

[image: Rosco Road 55.5 001.jpg]

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 1:29:32 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Two B-68 saddled Rosco Bubbe V1s in South Florida! I love it.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-4 frank_a wrote:
>
>> [image: 77C9D83D-27E8-4F10-9473-B89263B87DFC.jpeg]There’s at least one 
>> other Rosco in Florida, No 3 resides about 40 miles south of No. 7. I had 
>> fun following the development of these on the Grant’s Rosco blog and got in 
>> on the pre-sale.
>> B-68 and Tosco bars; it’s a cruiser for sure.
>> - Frank
>>
>> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 1st cleaning is in mineral spirits in a glass jar set in the water. For 
>>> a used chain I would usually do this twice, after letting the chain soak in 
>>> the mineral spirits over night. I use Ball wide mouth canning jars. The 
>>> ultrasonic cleaner came with a holder that is the perfect size for these.
>>> Next cleanings are in very dilute Simple Green Heavy Duty (kind of 
>>> purple in color) - just a splash in about six cups of water directly in the 
>>> tank - Temperature set to 40 deg C for 8 minutes - I repeat this until the 
>>> water comes away clean. I de-aerate the water first (this also helps bring 
>>> the water up to temperature. I originally was using 1/6 SGHD and 5/6 water. 
>>> When the gallon of SGHD started getting low I started using just the splash 
>>> and found it worked just as good as 1/6.
>>> Last cleaning is in denatured alcohol in a glass jar set in the water. 
>>>
>>> Almost kind of hated to wax the chains after cleaning, they were so 
>>> bright and shiny. The Wipperman stainless steel chains look like chrome 
>>> after they are cleaned.
>>> I first read about waxing chains in the 70s and never got around to it. 
>>> I finally bought the equipment and wax 3 years ago, and finally started 
>>> waxing about 6 months ago. I love that the chains stay clean and dry. Kind 
>>> of throws wax bits all over the bike for the 1st few rides, but they just 
>>> wipe off.
>>>
>>> The waxed chains are also almost silent - The Rosco Bubbe is very quiet 
>>> with the waxed chain and Deore freehub, unlike when it was a single speed 
>>> with the White Industries freewheel.
>>> I have 20+ bikes and most of them have waxed chains at this point (2 are 
>>> belt drive). Just a few more to go, but I need a new gallon of mineral 
>>> spirits, just dropped off the old gallon of dirty spirits at the recycling 
>>> facility.
>>> I even waxed the NOS (New Old Stock) Sedis 5 speed chain on my NOS 1971 
>>> Gitane.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 3:38:23 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Great job on the rebuild, Laing.  I like your selection of components 
 and certain modifications.  Got a question for you, though:  You mention 
 that you cleaned the chain in an ultrasonic tank.  What are you using for 
 a 
 solvent?  I use a tank, also, and I use this:
 https://www.ultrasonicsdirect.com/12decacl.html  It's a bit costly for 
 a gallon jug, but it's diluted with water so it goes a long ways. 
 George


 On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I has this bike set up as a single speed for the first few years, but 
> decided to add gears. I really love this frame, the 50cm seat tube, 63 cm 
> effective top tube fits me well. As I understand it, these first Rosco 
> Bubbe frames were made by Waterford. There were 10 or 11 of them made, 
> mine 
> was frame number 7, but I call it Seven of Nine (Star Trek fans will 
> understand). I missed the initial sale from Rivendell, but got this from 
> Rivelo when the original buyer backed out. The 700C x 44 Snoqualmie Pass 
> tire are definitely plusher than the 700C x 38 Little Big Bens.
>
> Frame – Rosco Bubbe V1, frame #7, Flanker Green
>
> Headset: Tange/IRD NeedL BlastR - roller bearing lower, ball bearing 
> upper 
>
> Wheels - built by Hands on Wheels; Rich Lesnik - 700C
>
>   Front - 36 spoke, Shimano Deore LX Hub, Velocity Atlas rim, double 
> butted SS spokes - 3-cross
>
>   Rear - 36 spoke, Shimano Deore Hub - 9 speed, Velocity Atlas rim, 
> double butted SS spokes - 3-cross
>
> Tires – Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700C x 44
>
> Drivetrain - 2x9 Pink Flamingo gearing
>
>   Crank – VO Drillium 48 - 34
>
>   Cassette – Shimano Sora-Ace 9-speed 14–27 (Sora 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 
> ,19; Dura-Ace 21-24-27)
>
>   Chain - Ultrasonically cleaned and Molten Speed Waxed Wipperman 
> Connex Stainless Steel 9 speed chain(s)
>
>   Rear Derailleur 

[RBW] Re: WTB Atlantis 55 cm

[Chris L]

The new 55cm, 700c Atlantis and the GBW are the two Riv's I most want to 
try.  

The Atlantis improves on my 54 Hunqapillar by having a longer top tube and 
the front wheel way out there, which I like.  I also want to try the longer 
chainstays and have no idea if I would like them, or not. 

The GBW is just a completely different animal and I would have no idea what 
to expect.  I just know I'd love to try it out.  

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:11:14 PM UTC-6 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
wrote:

> Here's a fine looking one: 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/5611404848967902/
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:21:36 AM UTC-8 tylerj...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> In search of an Atlantis 55cm, frame or complete. Let me know what you 
>> have or potentially have access to. Thanks in advance.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

That should have been "advertised 46cm chainstay".   

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:44:29 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:

> For years, RBW's geometry for the 54cm Hunqapillar was incorrect in saying 
> it had a 58cm ETT  when in fact, it had a 59.9 cm ETT.  I have a schematic 
> of the 54 Hunqapillar with the 59.9 length and it also shows 47cm 
> chainstays, instead of the advertised 56cm.  I confirmed with Will that the 
> 59.9 ETT is correct.  
>
> [image: Copy of 00.jpg]
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 3:28:29 PM UTC-6 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. 
>>
>> It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and 
>> relatively traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming 
>> meant more for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting 
>> lnger and more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the 
>> Bombadils in terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under 
>> the impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always 
>> from what i've seen been longer on the bombas. 
>>
>> It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) 
>> were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples 
>> physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) 
>>
>> Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a 
>> hunqapillar and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back 
>> oriented designs? 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 
>>>
>>> Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
>>> shirt with that design. 
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my 
>>>> absolute favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized 
>>>> expedition i owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was 
>>>> selling when these first came out.  
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for 
>>>>> John's yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
>>>>> Max
>>>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
>>>>>>> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: IMG_9161.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy holidays,
>>>>>>> Vern in San Francisco
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>> foolis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
>>>>>>>> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
>>>>>>>> keeps 
>>>>>>>> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like 
>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
>>>>>>>> info 
>>>>>>>> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
>>>>>>>> me. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
>>>>>>>>> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
>>>>>>>>> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
>>>>>>>>> remaining 
>

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

My first run gray/orange Hunqapillar fits Antelope Hills (700 x 55) on Dyad 
rims with plenty of clearance.  

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:

> James, I can’t enumerate the all the differences, but I’m running René 
> Herse 29" x 2.2" (700C x 55) Antelope Hill tires on my green Waterford Hunq 
> 58, built in 2012, and there’s clearance to spare. Even with the 65 SKS 
> fenders. I know early literature on Hunqs said that 55 was the maximum 
> width. Later literature said the max was 2.3/58. 
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What are the differences between Hunqapillar generations?  I have a July 
>> 2010 Waterford 62cm.  Right now it's got 2.1" Schwalbe Thunder Burts.  I 
>> think getting 2.2" tires on the back would be dicey.  Did the green 
>> generation of the frame have bigger clearance?  Longer wheelbase?
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 7:26:45 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> One more note that I didn't think of until I hit submit - the batch 
>>> differences that exist on Bombadils (and maybe Hunqapillars too) are more 
>>> significant than the difference between a Bombadil and a Hunq if you remove 
>>> the location of manufacture from the equation. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 14 December 2022 at 16:24:22 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Just catching this now, hey thanks for the shoutout Eric! And it means 
 a lot that you said that about the forest photo! That was a special day, 
 first ride on the rebuild after paint.

 I don't have nearly the historical knowledge that many here do, and a 
 lot has already been said. But here are my summarized thoughts between the 
 two anyway, beyond the obvious difference of location of manufacture. The 
 Hunqapillar seems to me like a "v2" Bombadil - they increased tire 
 clearance over the Bombadil from 2.1 to 2.4" on most sizes, they made 
 little geometry tweaks but just a smidge here and there, and notably they 
 made the frame more cost-effective by not only changing suppliers but by 
 simplifying the design a bit. 

 To me they are still both "ATB" Rivendells, made to tackle trails 
 loaded or not, and also be comfortable to ride on pavement as long as 
 you're not in too much of a rush. When it comes to which is more coveted, 
 it really comes down to whether the little superfluous (but beautiful) 
 details on the Bombadil are important to you, and/or which paint job and 
 geometry specifics suit you better. I think of them like the Appaloosa and 
 Atlantis - basically two flavors of the same bike.   

  

 On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 07:16:08 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

I wouldn't mind if my Hunqapillar was painted Dupont Imron, Light 
Continental Blue Metallic w/clear coat!!! 

I've always loved the color of Breezer #1 and those early Stumpjumpers in a 
similar color. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:53:02 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:

> Echoing Shoji's message, I love the diagonal tubes on the Hunqs (and 
> Bombadils) that had them. 
>
> Thanks for mentioning Joe Breeze. Grant has spoken often of Breeze and the 
> original Breezer 1. I can't imagine it was not a design inspiration for the 
> Hunqapillar. 
>
> The Breezer 1 is in the Smithsonian Museum of American History. I attached 
> a photo and the build list of the original, which is a fantastically 
> interesting historical document. Check out the reinforced fork on that 
> thing!! The build list states that the weight as configured was 38 pounds. 
> It's from 1977, yet it still seems so familiar and current given how folks 
> outfit their Rivs.  
>
> You can find more info at the Smithsonian 
> .
>
> Jim
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:07:39 AM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> For me, the Hunqapillar diagatube was a visual draw-- I liked it better 
>> than the parallel-to-top-tube bar of the Bombadil.
>>
>> The diagatube reminds me of the original Joe Breeze mountain bike frame: 
>>
>> https://mmbhof.org/portfolio/first-fat-tire-bike-with-a-new-frame-and-all-new-parts/
>>
>> Additional tubes have been around for a long time in bicycle history, 
>> some for functional reasons and others for style. (E.g., google cargo bikes)
>>
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:49:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> I've also thought the diagonal tube to look odd except on the very 
>>> largest of frames for the very largest of riders.  They seem reminiscent of 
>>> the original Santana Sovereign tandems, where they seemed to make some 
>>> sense.  I remember Santana claiming the "marathon" style to be the stiffest 
>>> configuration for a tandem per all sorts of tests they performed.  Later, 
>>> it seems everyone, including Santana, shifted to a diagonal tube running to 
>>> the rear bottom bracket and, nowadays, most tandems have dispensed with the 
>>> diagonal tube.  It all leaves me wondering...
>>>
>>> In a quick search for some history on the "marathon" style I found this 
>>> on the Rodriguez site: "so this design kind of went the way of the Ford 
>>> Edsel in our shop."  I couldn't quickly find the origins of the style but 
>>> it seems the tandem industry abandoned the design long before Rivendell 
>>> applied it to singles.  It has always been a bit of a curiosity to me as, 
>>> even for a tandem, it is considered over-built these days.
>>>
>>> [image: loaded santana.jpg]
>>> 1980 Santana Sovereign.  I remember crossing paths with a couple 
>>> honeymooning on their Rodriguez tandem.  I can't remember if it was a 
>>> marathon.  I am now noticing that the additional Rivendell stays extend to 
>>> the rear dropouts rather than to the seat stays' mid section.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:46:22 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The Bombadil(60 cm w/700c wheels, parallel TT) is the only frame I 
 really much paid attention to and bought, albeit from a list member in 
 2011. I'm pretty sure they were all customer choice paint jobs, save and 
 specials, returns, cancels and such.

 I recall also that the Bomba tubes were heat treated, not sure about 
 the Hunq but I'd be surprised if they were. Only GP knows what tubes cost 
 what. Plus the fancy lugs. I have no idea about the Hunqa frames lugs but 
 the Bombas sure are fancy, if that's you're thing. I don't ride a Riv for 
 the rep/status or the paint jobs or even the looks, I have two because 
 they 
 fit me well and they're steel. I'm outside the bounds of most every stock 
 Riv bike and yet those two worked(Susie is the other). That's about it. 
 I'm 
 all for Practicability. 

 While the Hunqapillar was touted as a Bomba replacement, it was only 
 that in category as the frame itself was totally different in dimensions 
 and sizes, not to mention the diagonal tube which still looks odd to me. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Chris L]

I had it on the wall in my office for years.  

I've never heard it mentioned, but one of the early Hunqapillar brochures 
showed three colors they had planned for the heat tube and decals, 
red/maroon, orange and blue, which apparently didn't make the cut.  The 
three Mammoths on the poster seem to reflect those three colors. 

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:23:17 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm enjoying the discussion, pics and details! 
>
> Does anyone have a higher-res version of this absurd Hunq poster? 
>
> [image: 440ebc01ea30bd8ba7f7e5328708bea2--urban-life-bicycle-art.jpg]
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:11:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> This is certainly an interesting and complex question and I am in no 
>> position to provide any answers or guidance but think it's further 
>> complicated by overall cost changes over time and how it's been mentioned 
>> before how some of the Tolkien models like Bombadil & Legolas essentially 
>> became off menu, non-custom customs - wasn't it something like a stock geo 
>> Nobilette built but non-Joe Bell paint frame so significantly less than a 
>> full custom and more of a made-to-order with the custom builder... in other 
>> words, were they ever actually being made in the same exact place, even 
>> when both were MUSA?  
>>
>> Years ago before acquiring my 65cm Clem H I actually posed a similar 
>> question to Will regarding the Waterford made A.Homer Hilsen vs. Waterford 
>> made 64cm Sam Hillborne, which was the only MUSA made Hillborne size at the 
>> time, and had me wondering what, if anything, would ultimately make the two 
>> differ in overall cost/value/performance when considering a made to order 
>> canti-equipped countrybike with both options going through Waterford.  I 
>> was just over the recommended pbh range for the production 62cm Hillborne 
>> and understood going to Waterford for a 64cm Sam would essentially 
>> eliminate the value gained from the Taiwan production Sam's so I really was 
>> just looking to verify whether the ultimate difference may more or less 
>> boil down to a visual one with the sloping Hillborne vs. the more 
>> horizontal Homer, if overall costs and tubing at that size would 
>> effectively balance out.  The whole discussion ended up being moot since 
>> this was in fact right at the time the 64cm Sam was already pulled and they 
>> just hadn't gotten around the updating the site yet to reflect the changes 
>> and Riv's recommendation became a 67cm AHH by default.  Of course, the 65cm 
>> Clem H was also about to be released and ultimately meet my value based 
>> mega size Rivendell biking needs.
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrence NJ
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:29:05 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've often wondered what made the Hunq the "less expensive Bombadil" 
>>> given the tubing being as Grant calls "the most expensive tubes around". 
>>>  I'm assuming it was based on it being MIT and the Bomba being a MUSA 
>>> frame?  IF so, were they equally priced once the Hunq moved to MUSA 
>>> Waterford, why/why not?  I figured it was something similar to the 
>>> manufacturing locations of the Quickbeam/SimpleOne with the exception that 
>>> those two have identical geometry and the Hunq/Bomba are different.  I'm 
>>> only asking because its often referred here as the cheaper bomba, but I was 
>>> of the understanding it was more like the 700c bike (hunq) and the bomba 
>>> was the 650b earlier option.  
>>>
>>> Probably a messy way to ask but to clean it up, can anyone tell me if 
>>> the Hunq was actually that much cheaper once it was moved to Wisconsin and 
>>> also if the tubing stayed the same once it was manufactured in the US?
>>>
>>> thanks! Love these two bikes and this thread!
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 11:44:50 AM UTC-6 Dick Combs wrote:
>>>
 They are the same, both the originals that came with the frame

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Cool pair of Hunqs! are the forks different? Or is it just the photo 
> angle that makes the curve on the fork on the one with the black saddle 
> look different?
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:56:43 AM UTC-5 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> [image: 61977D70-55E2-4782-A93A-A8333171AFD6.jpeg][image: 
>> 7A5D4923-2037-4ACB-81D6-3091B473A0FB.jpeg]My two Hunqs
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Chris L]

I think I've seen a Riv that was a very similar color..maybe a 
Hillborne.   I always thought it was a great color for a Riv!

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:28:31 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Eric – man he’s been snapping up Rivs and Ritcheys left and right! I love 
> it. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:13:45 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I confirmed with John he got that Bombadil ;) 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:05:47 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John Watson (Radavist, Pro’s Closet, etc) just posted what I assume is 
>>> this same yellow Bombadil on his Instagram stories. Perhaps he’s the one 
>>> who snagged it?
>>> john watson (@johnprolly) • Instagram photos and videos 
>>> 
>>> instagram.com 
>>> [image: 120809630_204863527893800_2675339226380751525_n.jpg] 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> @FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! 
>>>
>>>
>>> There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you 
>>> resurrect" thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
 frame! 

 Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many 
 frames were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Chris L]

I would say the Appaloosa.  I don't know the tube specs on the Hunqapillar 
but I've seen them for one run of the Appaloosa and I'm pretty sure the 
Hunq has lighter tubes.  

Last time I looked at Appaloosa geometry in my size (54-55cm), the 
Appaloosa was pretty much a longer chainstay Hunqapillar.  

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:41:26 AM UTC-6 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Everyone choosing the Hunqapillar makes me mighty envious, especially 
> since those are long gone. To all the Hunq owners: what bike in Riv's 
> current catalog fills that role now? Is it the Appaloosa, their 
> heavier-duty road touring frame? Or is the Hunqapillar the genetic 
> precursor to the current iteration of the Atlantis? It looks to be a cool 
> bike that represents the transition between classic Riv geometry and the 
> more extreme long wheelbase swoopy bikes they're making now. Interesting to 
> see how the bikes and designs have evolved over time.
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:38:23 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer 
>> Hilsen.   For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike. 
>> My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm 
>> tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a 
>> mountain bike to do certain rides I was planning on doing, and yet I'd 
>> manage to ride just fine. I finally ordered a pair of Continental 
>> TerraSpeed, and I'm going to look forward to tackling certain rides that 
>> I'd previously done on the mountain bike with a much ligher, more agile 
>> bike --- the Roadini.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>>> and equip it?
>>>
>>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B Ixon IQ Premium 
>>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>>
>>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>>> dirt ratios.
>>>
>>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike 
>>> pristine  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or 
>>>  mile-and-a-half along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house 
>>> because the direct route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to 
>>> strenuously overcome that vice.
>>>
>>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Ride

[Chris L]

I remember reading where Grant, or one of his long-term employees but I 
think Grant, said on front end geometry handling there are a few numbers 
they hold to but they don't discuss them outside the shop.  Trail would be 
an obvious one, but I've always thought it would be interesting to hear the 
rest.  Jan Heine gets into what might be some of RBW's other unspoken 
factors in his book on performance bicycles.  

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 10:38:08 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Grant's 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 had a 54mm trail with 25mm tires. The 2022 
> Roadini had a trail of around 58mm but with a 5mm lower BB. The Cheviot (I 
> can't find numbers for the Platypus) had a trail of 58mm with a 25mm tire 
> (but obviously few people would run 25mm tires on that bike), but even with 
> a 33mm tire it'll still be a 61mm trail, making the bike steer a little 
> slower but still agile. I had a custom bike built around the 1993 RB-1 
> geometry with a lower BB, and it rides similarly great. Now when it comes 
> to compliance, stiffness, etc., the tubing thickness etc matters more, but 
> in terms of handling I think Grant has it dialed down and you can see that 
> he pretty much keeps all his bikes in the same zone when it comes to trail. 
> The longer wheel base that he's been going for recently adds alot to 
> stability and high speed handling at the expense of packability into bike 
> boxes, which few care about. If you were to buy say, a Craig Calfee carbon 
> framed bike, it actually has a very similar geometry too the RB-1, and 
> rides similarly, but of course being made out of carbon and with a short 
> wheel base and relatively little tire clearance chances are that bike 
> wouldn't appeal to the same people who like Rivendell bicycles.
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh I haven't the first clue how Grant does it. There's something going on 
>> with the numbers and tubes that makes them ride like a Harley Softail on 
>> the straights AND a Ducati Panigale in the turns. It's bonkers! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:51:31 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>>
>>> You hit it on the head, Joe. Thanks for the thread. With all of your 
>>> experience on a gazillion bikes, what do *you* think accounts for “the 
>>> magical Riv ride he designs into these frames”? What makes it happen?
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted to 
>>> post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these frames is 
>>> slightly under discussed..like we all know it and love it, then talk about 
>>> other stuff like paint and parts. My comments are specifically about my 
>>> custom but I've owned a bunch of Rivs and they all ride like this (Clem 
>>> maybe not so light-feeling, but still zippy). Add your thoughts about your 
>>> bikes! :
>>>
>>> The handling is amazing. It feels light and zippy, yet absorbs shock 
>>> (there's a lot of shock on these roads) and is very stable. When you put it 
>>> in a turn it goes where you point it and holds the line until you change 
>>> it. It does this when getting bumped offline, too..the darn thing pops 
>>> right back to where it was going! I've ridden a bazillion bikes and nothing 
>>> rides like a Rivendell 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[Chris L]

It's been years since I've ridden more than six or so miles, but even for 
that length, I much prefer to have the larger (72"???) Jones Loop Bar.  
I've never been able to get comfortable on drop bars but the Jones bar 
provides the same two upper positions, comfortably.  

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 8:09:33 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I am quite comfortable on my Nitto Wavie bars with Ergon GC1 grips for 
> 100+ km rides - one very good hand position can be better than several 
> less-than-optimal positions.  Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever 
> experienced numbness with this setup, but I do sometimes with really long 
> rides on Noodles (but at least 80 km before it happens).  I should try a 
> brevet with them sometime!  
>
> On Sunday, 23 October 2022 at 21:29:08 UTC-7 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Late to the party - but
>>
>> My favorite non-drop bars for any length ride are Albastache. Close 
>> second are Mustache bars. Not much difference between the two. Albastache 
>> are a little wider and have slightly less drop. I find it hard to tell the 
>> difference when switching between bikes though. Mustache bars can be had 
>> from suppliers other than Riv.
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:20:30 AM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the replies. I guess the answer is... all of the above!
>>>
>>> Billie, Choco, Albatross, Bosco, and some non-Riv options.
>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 11:39:57 AM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:
>>>
 Albatross for everything. Have done four day tours with them, and short 
 rides. Everything in between. Super super comfortable.

 On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 10:23:36 AM UTC-6 larson@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> In the past I have ridden mostly with drop bars and still do. I have 
> done some touring with Jones loop bars, and like them very much. This 
> spring I built up my first Riv, an Appaloosa, and chose Billie bars. I 
> have 
> come to believe these bars are the most comfortable of any bar I have 
> tried. I have ridden up to about 60 miles, usually mixed terrain, and 
> have 
> no soreness in hands, shoulders or neck. I think that the flex in these 
> bars with a quill stem is one of the factors. I tried bullmoose bars and 
> liked them for off-road riding, but much stiffer and overall less 
> comfortable for me.
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 8:58:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been waiting what feels like forever for those Billie bars to 
>> come back in stock Eric! I like the Better sco quite a bit, but the 
>> forward 
>> position isn’t great for me. Still very comfortable overall though. Just 
>> can’t wait to try the Billie! I have the Albatross on my Clem H and they 
>> are great, slightly more width and room to move should make them even 
>> better. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:21:28 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am happy to report that the 55 wide Bosco has proved itself for 
>>> me. I routinely go 40’ish miles of mixed surface & as far as 60. I have 
>>> felt as fresh at the end of these rides as at the start. I have no 
>>> doubt 
>>> that it (Bosco) is but one component of the Clem recipe; geometry, long 
>>> & 
>>> high stem, plush tires.., it seems a perfect blend.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle 
>>> (which I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
>>> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
>>> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop 
>>> but with a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
>>> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>>>
>>> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, 
>>> around 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>>>
 Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like 
 best for rides longer than say, 15 miles?

 I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a 
 bit, what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?

 Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I 
 run bike errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, 
 accounting 
 for most of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a 
 proven winner for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile 
 rides 
 further afield and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my 
 problem is I only have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is 
 

Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Chris L]

Unfortunately, the Motolite only works for increasing wheel size and not in 
the other direction.   I e-mailed Paul when I first read about people using 
it for the purpose of running different wheel sizes and he confirmed it 
only works in one direction. 

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:54:24 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great looking bike Chris! Have you thought about the Paul Motolite? You 
> could go 650b without all the extra work!
>
> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:39:50 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I've only ridden one Riv and it's hard to imagine there is a better bike 
>> for me than my first run 54cm Hunqapillar.  
>>
>> Out of the existing Rivendell models, a Bombadil or the 56cm 650B 
>> Hunqapillar might be preferable, only because I like fat tires but on 
>> smaller wheels.  If I ever have my Hunqapillar painted, which would mean I 
>> know I'll keep it until I die, I will probably have disc brake tabs added 
>> so I can go 650B.  I've run the numbers and BB height and trail wouldn't be 
>> anything unusual. 
>>
>> My ultimate hypothetical Rivendell would be the original 56cm 26" wheeled 
>> Atlantis with an extra 5cm of top-tube length.  
>>
>> [image: 54 Hunqapillar half size.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:32:33 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> It appears Rivendell declared "ONE BIKE TO RULE THEM ALL" some time ago 
>>> with the introduction of the Sam Hillborne: 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG-4527.jpg]
>>>
>>> And, clearly, without evidence of a similar statement for the 
>>> introduction of a subsequent model, they too must be subservient to the 
>>> Sam. 
>>>
>>> Kidding aside, the wonderful thing about Rivendell bikes is how 
>>> versatile they are, and the wonderful thing about their owners is how 
>>> creative and unique are their builds and applications of their preferred 
>>> models. 
>>>
>>> Cheers 
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> Ketchum ID
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 7:34:41 PM UTC-6 alexander...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris, i think a Sam would probably be the best option for my riding as 
>>>> well, if i could only have a single bike.
>>>>
>>>> Bill, to your point, i am a multiple bike person. The rivendells i am 
>>>> interested in reflect that i think - not necessarily the most versatile, 
>>>> but they would fill out my selection better. I do realize this variance 
>>>> (among other things) from person to person means that the answers are a 
>>>> bit 
>>>> skewed. Still, it's fun to hear what everyone rides most or enjoys most 
>>>> for 
>>>> whatever reason!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 7:53 PM Chris Balaschak  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm the owner of three Rivs, and have generally always enjoyed 'road' 
>>>>> bikes; that is, a less upright geometry, and drop bars.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014 Sam Hillborne
>>>>> The Sam is my go-to for just about everything: commuting, exploring, 
>>>>> getting lost, etc. I have never had a bike fit so comfortably. While the 
>>>>> berthoud saddle definitely helps, the general uprightness of the bike 
>>>>> works 
>>>>> so well. Having ridden many road bikes (including a Nobilette I sorely 
>>>>> miss) the Sam has made me a full convert to just wearing sandals and 
>>>>> loose-fitting clothes for rides.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2006 Legolas
>>>>> The Legolas is aggressive and nimble by Riv standards (would we expect 
>>>>> less from Legolas?), and is super fun for what the kids call 'gravel' 
>>>>> riding. It is road bike geometry, built by Nobilette, lightweight, and 
>>>>> fast. As a CX bike it doesn't fit big tires by today's standards, maxing 
>>>>> out at about 33-35, but on hardpacked forest roads, it is so agile.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2006 Rambouillet
>>>>> The Ram fits somewhere in-between - a bit more roadey than the Sam, 
>>>>> while more laid back than the Legolas. I like it for long days in the 
>>>>> saddle, and when I don't want/need to carry anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> End of the day, though, Sam would be "the one."
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: PXL_20211218_190214864.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>

[RBW] Re: Bike rack

[Chris L]

I have the 1-UP heavy duty (I think...at least it's the one with the larger 
hitch insert) and it was well worth the price I paid for it.  For the first 
time since 1995, I can carry a bike on the back of my vehicle without 
giving a second thought to whether it's flapping in the wind or going to 
somehow come unattached and fall off.  Also, mounting and dismounting a 
bike literally takes seconds.  

I think mine weighs 28 lbs, but because of it's size and shape, it feels 
much heavier than that.  Still, I could probably unlock it, loosen it and 
remove it from my car in a couple of minutes.  Most of that time would be 
from having to get on the ground to access the lock securing it to the 
hitch. 

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:30:39 AM UTC-5 kbe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Southwest Michigan Rivendell Ride ✅

[Chris L]

Since Marc's Hunqapillar is now black, my gray/orange 54cm is even more 
rare!  His was the only other one I know about, although one of the 54 
prototypes has the orange accents, so it may be out there somewhere.  

To be honest, I've long thought of changing mine to black.  I'm not big on 
conspicuous appearances and prefer a bike that is neutral and generally 
goes unnoticed.  

On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 6:00:48 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Bike portraits. I told everyone I wanted a photo with rider + bike, and 9 
> out of 10 complied willingly. Marc, Lone Wolf forever, protested pitifully 
> but the Platypus Rider nagged so he gave in.
>
> This is Max. He came from Ann Arbor and brought us a Quickbeam to admire. 
> Max is quick on his Quickbeam. When I realized we were going to be late for 
> our reservation, I left the group to race ahead so as to get our table 
> secured. Josh joined me and Max came from behind and left us in the dust. 
> He doesn’t even ride with his hands on his handlebars.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Ryan (Muskegon, MI) brought a giant purple Nobilette. His saddle sits at 
> about my shoulder. 
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
>
> Josh (Grand Rapids, MI) works for Velocity! He has a custom-color Atlantis 
> that he cherishes. He keeps it squeaky clean but we trashed it with 
> limestone dust and now his chain squeaks. He was a good sport.
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> Ben has a custom orange Rivendell. He has lots of bikes, several are Rivs, 
> and when I asked if this was his favorite he said, “It is my *first.*” He 
> built it as a single speed, so I said I would ride mine in a single gear 
> (the hardest) for the whole ride in solidarity, but I had to shift once on 
> the incline as I raced to the restaurant. It was shift or die. Or worse, 
> forfeit our table at the brewery.
> [image: image9.jpeg]
>
> Red mixte riders, unite! Tom (Grand Rapids) brought us a red Soma to 
> admire. I have a weakness for the red bikes. He also brought Marc and me 
> each a dozen eggs from his chickens. He changed into clean clothes for 
> dinner and the rest of us sat in our sweaty clothes.
> [image: image3.jpeg]
>
> Steve came all the way from Chicago and brought his very tall Homer. That 
> blue is so pretty in real life. 
> [image: image4.jpeg]
>
> This is Paul (Kalamazoo), who goes by Doc. He is a real doctor, a retired 
> emergency room physician, and this pretty Appaloosa is his retirement gift 
> to himself. 
> [image: image5.jpeg]
>
> Dennis (I didn’t catch what city he drove in from) brought a silvery 
> Appaloosa that we all thought looked fantastic with its hammered  Honjo 
> fenders. He doesn’t keep cars in his garage. Only his bikes.
> [image: image6.jpeg]
>
> Here is the Lone Wolf, Marc Irwin! I think he smiled so well for the 
> camera even though it nearly killed him. He’s got a black powder-coated 
> Hunq with new black fenders. He once told me this is the bike he will die 
> with. I usually see him on his Sam, but the Hunq is his favorite. All 
> Marc’s parts fall off or break eventually. He rides thousands of miles in 
> all weather; what else would you expect of a Lone Wolf?
> [image: image7.jpeg]
>
> And finally, me. You have heard enough about this Platypus. This was my 
> first Rivendell Ride, and first time helping to organize one. I wish I had 
> had tee shirts made. 
> [image: image8.jpeg]
>
> Up next: fork crown pics!
> Leah
>
> On Jul 16, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> We had our Rivendell Ride today, and I was so happy that we had 10 
> riders! We rode the KalHaven Trail, a rail trail that spans the 34 miles 
> between Kalamazoo and South Haven. Eight of the ten riders brought 
> Rivendells, most had seen a lot of miles. The oldest bike was the ‘97 or 
> ‘98 orange Custom, and the newest was my 2020 Platypus.
>
>
> Here is the lineup, alphabetized:
> 2 Appaloosas 
> 1 Atlantis (in custom green paint)
> 1 Custom orange Rivendell
> 1 Homer
> 1 Hunq
> 1 Platypus
> 1 Quickbeam
>
> And one Nobilette and a Soma mixte.
>
> It was great weather and good company, and we continued our fellowship at 
> a local brewery post-ride. It was nice for Marc and me to meet everyone in 
> real life and admire their bikes. We are planning our next ride for fall 
> colors on the White Pine Trail. I bet it’s as pretty as it sounds.
>
> Photos in the next post, so wacky Google Groups doesn’t get the 
> opportunity to turn all my photos sideways.
>
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Chris L]

My first adult bike was a 1995 Trek 730 Multitrack and I thought it was the 
perfect bike for me, but as I learned more about bikes, I discovered I 
wanted way more tire clearance (730 = 40mm, barely) and a much longer 
top-tube.  I was a fan of quite a few smaller bike brands and wanted 
something non-mainstream and something steel.  I already had a very good 
set of 700c wheels, so the Hunqapillar was the only thing on the market 
that was what I was looking for.  A few brands have put out models that 
were close, but all suffered from too short a top tube, either being 
designed with drops in mind, or trying to split the difference between 
drops and flat/alt bars.  I see this is the only flaw in the original 56cm 
Atlantis, with it's 57 cm ETT.  If that bike had a 60 or 61 cm ETT, it 
would have been my Grail bike.  I would have invested in a second set of 
good wheels that one.

I also was very curious about the "riv ride" I had heard so much of, over 
the years, so I the Hunqapillar being the sole candidate to fit my needs 
was a nice bonus.


On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:14:38 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:

> I received an early flyer/reader in an order from American Cyclery San 
> Francisco. 
> After reading the specs on the frames, the Allrounder sounded like a great 
> compliment to my classic road bike, by the time I ordered one they had gone 
> to customs and the Atlantis was replacing the Allrounder. 
> I went with a custom. It was one of the best handling bikes I’ve ever 
> owned. 
> I was bombing down Mt. Diablo one day and a couple guys on modern road 
> bikes were trying to reel me in. 
> When we got to the bottom of the mountain one of them said “you handle 
> that old truck pretty well”. 
> It still cracks me up to think about that. 
>
> Grant and company design very nice riding bikes and really excel at the 
> Allrounder style of bike. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:53:52 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I was a Bridgestone guy, bought a leftover XO-3 in 1994 as Bstone USA was 
>> folding and Grant was deciding what to do next. That turned out to be 
>> Rivendell and I eventually bought this, a Romulus. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:53:10 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline 
>>> with 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>>>
>>> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>>>
>>> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
>>> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>>>
>>>
>>> In my case
>>> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
>>> starting).
>>> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
>>> awesomely pretty.
>>> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
>>> and I remembered that.
>>> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>>>
>>> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
>>> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>>>
>>> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
>>> instead of the Tolkien book?
>>> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
>>> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
>>> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything 
>>> that he designs, once you could afford it?
>>> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
>>> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>>>
>>> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy 
>>> told me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Chris L]

I'll have to check out that thread.

As a gray/orange Hunqapillar owner, I much prefer the darker shade of 
orange shown in your photo here.  

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke, 
Stewartstown PA wrote:

> To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups of the first 
> diagatube Hunqapillars beginning Monday, April 5th at 7:59am. Two versions 
> - one that is like the production version we ended up with, and another 
> that had extended "mixte" like tubes that ended near the rear dropouts. 
> (That one sort of became the Bombadil ultimately.) These first mockups led 
> to more than 20 others, prompted by an email from Grant who saw the posts 
> here and wanted to explore different color combos and other details. It all 
> happened pretty fast. Here are mockups #1 and #2, and a couple others along 
> the way. If you look closely at the front tire markings, you can see how I 
> kept track of the various mockups. For the record, here is the thread where 
> these were revealed and all of this is discussed (passionately!):  
>
> DiagaHunq Discussion 
> 
>
> It was fun to be a small part of the history of this great bike. I owned 
> one for a short time, but it was way too small for me, and had some damage. 
> Looking back, those chainstays look ridiculously short! My current Clem H 
> is all the Hunq I need now. 
>
> Marty
>
> [image: DiagHunq1.jpg][image: DiagHunq2.jpg]
>
> FYI - to facilitate the mockups I was using a pic that was posted on the 
> Riv site somewhere - it was Jay's bike:
>
> [image: Jay_s_H.jpg]
>
> This one in orange and grey, with a cork lift handle idea. Not sure who's 
> bike this was. 
> [image: Hunqamarty 10.0.jpg]
>
> OK - this one was a stretch...
> [image: Hunqamarty 8.0.jpg]
>
> And a black & grey version I kind of liked. with graphics on the mid-tube.
> [image: Hunqamarty 21.0.jpg]
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:15:22 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Michael - they switched from the dual TT style to the diaga-tube in 2010 
>> on Bombadils :)  So the diaga is the newer versio
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Chris L]

The Mystery Bike/Appaloosa happened shortly after I discovered RBW, so 
2012'ish sounds about right.  

My memory is that Grant put out feelers for 10 people to buy a new bike, 
completely sight unseen with no input (I don't remember if they were 
allowed to choose color) into the bike.  I don't recall if they were 
completes or F/F/H, but $4000 sticks in my mind as being the cost.  

I have several really good photos that were posted of those bikes.  

[image: Joe Appaloosa (5).jpg]

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:14:05 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 3/10 
> to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to go 
> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to 
> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part, 
> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>
> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as different 
> bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 lineup, was the 
> Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition? Should I include 
> this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road was the cheapest 
> of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>
> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome 
> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure 
> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting 
> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end. 
>
>
>  
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My comment 
>> is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or "mystery 
>> bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I know it was 'sort 
>> of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying customers - 
>> exactly the way early Roads, All Rounders and Mountains were - with no 
>> design input from the buyers and - unlike those others - they DID have an 
>> actual model name and head badge.  I don't think I'd consider them 
>> insignificant either, as they were the experience that led to the current 
>> long chainstay, longer top tube models and the big swept-back bars like the 
>> bosco.  Kind of key to understanding the whole evolution.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:29:08 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
>>> Standard, I think by '96.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv Readers, 
 as well as old copies of the Rivendell website via archive.org (it was 
 veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was rivendellbicycles.com, then 
 moved to the current home of rivbike.com - I've perused probably 
 upwards of 100's of snapshots of these sites today).  

 I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of you 
 so I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point out 
 omissions or errors in my timeline. There are a lot of permutations of 
 some 
 of these models of course - I have pretty detailed notes about where each 
 model was made (including many which went through a few shops) in addition 
 to the timeline, which I plan to include in whatever final form this 
 takes.  

 Please let me know if you see something missing or incorrect!  Note: I 
 left Protovelo's out because I'm not considering prototypes to be 
 relevant; 
 I might be missing some Rosco's but only the Bubbe 51 and Road 55.5 are 
 ones I have any info on. The step-thru version seems to have snuck past my 
 research so far. 

  [image: PXL_20211127_062150509.jpg]




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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Chris L]

Paul, 

I'm not sure if you are referring to my photo or not, but if so, it's Lake 
Hefner, which is a lake with a 10 mile long multi-use path around it, right 
in the middle of Oklahoma City.  


On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:40:15 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:

> i wish this board requested / required one's location at signoff.  it's a 
> great looking bike, great looking lake--where in the world is it?
> thanks
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>

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Re: [RBW] Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Chris L]

Thanks!

The combination of the dark tan on the RH Endurance tires and the orange 
highlights on the Hunqapillar looked great in that very early morning 
sunlight.

On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:13:50 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> What a beautiful bike that is captured so well during the "golden hour."
>
> On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 6:06:31 PM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>
>> Hunqapillar by the lake
>>
>> [image: 20210919_072925.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 10:28:30 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just love how that Clem turned out with the Xtracycle kit, what a cool 
>>> way to make use of that frameset.
>>>
>>> Platypus is looking good too!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 4:27:07 PM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today was the nicest day of the year in the great garden state.
>>>>
>>>> [image: bikes1.jpg]
>>>> Bones
>>>> On Sunday, September 26, 2021 at 12:03:41 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, Beatifully set up bike, Paul. Always enjoy your builds and 
>>>>> photography. 
>>>>>
>>>>> - Max “how was your ride?.. more than bokeh” in A2
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 11:32:13 AM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gorgeous bike and photos to boot. Thank you for the component details 
>>>>>> as well. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your description of the CX-70 front derailer touching the chainstay 
>>>>>> is particularly timely. I'm doing a build now where the 
>>>>>> derailer/chainstay 
>>>>>> kiss each other - or within a whisker or two of that so I've wondered, 
>>>>>> how 
>>>>>> close is too close? Like you, I have the option of a perfectly 
>>>>>> functional 
>>>>>> but less attractive shorter cage der but would prefer using the vintage 
>>>>>> (silver of course) longer cage model. From the pictures it would appear 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> CX-70-chainstay marriage is working out well so I have hopes for my 
>>>>>> combo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Rich n ATL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 10:00:58 AM UTC-4 Paul Brodek 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forgot to mention the cassette spec is 10spd 11-30t, so 11/40 high 
>>>>>>> and 30/24 low. High enough for me, plenty low for a mostly unloaded 
>>>>>>> sled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 22.3lbs as is, with several spec subs that would get it into the 
>>>>>>> 21lb+ range. Could go more modern and down in the 20s, but I like the 
>>>>>>> older 
>>>>>>> school look.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yeah, better to say "...clearance for 30mm tires..." since 32s 
>>>>>>> are getting dicey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had issues posting the photos, gotta click to view 'em, will see 
>>>>>>> if cutting the [img] tags fixes that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul Brodek
>>>>>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Old School time, a day late for Throwback Thursday, if that's still 
>>>>>>>> a thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> '98 Riv Custom, built by Joe Starck, back in the day when 
>>>>>>>> designing/building a short-reach caliper frame with rock-bottom brake 
>>>>>>>> shoes 
>>>>>>>> ("Look out, Courageous, it's Rock Bottom!!!") and clearance for 32mm 
>>>>>>>> 700c 
>>>>>>>> tires was a big f'in deal...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [snip] 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51218631413_cc5a80d181_k.jpg 
>>>>>>>> <https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51218631413_cc5a80d181_k.jpg%5B/img%5D>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51217707602_31d1bfcc06_k.jpg 
>>>>>>>> <https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51217707602_31d1bfcc06_k.jpg%5B/img%5D>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50365316941_c7a4475dda_k.jpg 
>>>>>>>> <https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50365316941_c7a4475dda_k.jpg%5B/img%5D>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286627_b8fb4c3792_k.jpg 
>>>>>>>> <https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286627_b8fb4c3792_k.jpg%5B/img%5D>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286327_bd34374447_k.jpg 
>>>>>>>> <https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50440286327_bd34374447_k.jpg%5B/img%5D>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming Riv Frames

[Chris L]

Just an FYI, for anyone interested, but Will told me in an e-mail that the 
Atlantis should be back in January or February.  That's been at least 2-3 
months back, so they may have been pushed to a later date, by now.  

On Thursday, July 8, 2021 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
wrote:

> There it is. Thank you!
>
> On Thursday, July 8, 2021 at 4:05:26 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CNLHnTLnyWW/
>>
>> On Thursday, July 8, 2021 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>> NY) wrote:
>>
>>> I recall seeing, either from one of Will's weekly updates or a post from 
>>> Grant, a rough outline of upcoming frame deliveries. I know those 
>>> timeframes are often way, way off, but does anyone know where I can find 
>>> that?
>>>
>>> Thanks-
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar f/f/hs + extras -- 1st gen, grey/kidney bean, $1,500

[Chris L]

Another unsolicited chime-in:  I have a 1st generation gray Hunqapillar and 
I can confirm that  in the 54cm size, RBW's listed "effective top tube" is 
the "actual top tube length".  I think the 54 cm is listed at something 
like a 584 mm ETT when it is in fact, 599.2.   

Also, my 54cm easily accommodates RH Antelope Hill 700 x 55 tires and my 
frameset is from the very first batch.

On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 2:31:23 PM UTC-5 Jeremy Till wrote:

> I find myself with one too many bicycles and it's a last in, first out 
> kind of situation. For sale is a 62cm Hunqapillar frame, fork, and FSA 
> Orbit headset, and I will throw in the Thomson Elite seatpost and Velo 
> Orange 63mm fluted fenders. I bought the frame/fork/headset used last 
> summer, built it up and rode it occasionally for the past ~9 months. The 
> seatpost and fenders were new as of last Fall. The fenders are basically 
> installed, and include a hole in the front fender that lines up with the 
> eyelet on a Nitto 32F front rack for more support. 
>
> Stated geometry can be found here: https://flic.kr/p/7NnxMg
> That also links to the Hunqapillar group on Flickr, which has a number of 
> shots from the original flyer with other useful information. I suspect that 
> the top tube is slightly longer than the stated geometry, just from 
> comparing its fit against my other similarly sized bikes. Being a first 
> generation, its tire clearance is more limited than the later generations. 
> I would say it fits 700x52/29x2.1" without fenders, 700x45 or maybe 
> slightly wider with fenders, depending on rim width. 
>
> It's biggest imperfection is a large chainsuck scar on the drive side 
> chainstay, which was preexisting when I acquired it. Before building it up 
> I sanded it smooth and hit with some spray on clear coat to discourage 
> rust. In my formerly professional opinion it's not structural concern, but 
> like most things, good to keep an eye on. See picture at the link below 
> below. Aside from that there are a couple of very small shellac drips on 
> the top and diagatube, otherwise in really good shape.  
>
> Pictures of what's for sale here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmW5Fche
> Pictures of it built up: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQUkEX8 
> My saddle height is around 790mm for reference.
>
> Asking $1,500 for everything pictured. I'm located in Sacramento, CA and 
> would be happy to do a local exchange here or in the SF Bay Area. Can also 
> ship at buyer's expense.  
>
> Missed out on an Appaloosa? Curious about older, shorter-chainstayed, fat 
> tire Rivs? Now's your chance. 
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

[Chris L]

" I guess the grass is always greener!"

Ain't that the truth!!


On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 8:10:15 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Willet - oh wow, glad I could be of help! Other than misleading you into 
> thinking the 65's would fit, now you're a cautionary tale for me if I ever 
> need to replace my fenders haha.. 
>
> Chris - Ha, I feel that way about the 53cm 650B Hunq.. I guess the grass 
> is always greener!
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 5:03 PM 'WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a suggestion 
>> that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating which 
>> direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all silver" 
>> or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from Simworks 
>> were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on using.  They 
>> ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up much room 
>> vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide for the 
>> fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
>> significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
>> hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
>> shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
>> hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  
>>
>> At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right 
>> the first time!
>>
>> Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have 
>> the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions 
>> better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So 
>> this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or 
>> more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years 
>> before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less 
>> than a year of each other.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. 
>>> Looks salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for 
>>> mine!  And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose 
>>> despite being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as 
>>> clean as a quill version would have.  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>>>

 I'm happy to report that the 
 non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I bought 
 here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a 
 little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of 
 western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a 
 workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one 
 that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate 
 bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  

 Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
 Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
 given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
 steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
 thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom 
 Velocity 
 Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
 polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles" 
 edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include 
 Sugino 
 cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight, 
 SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It 
 was 
 NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.

 On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of 
 diversion during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got 
 lots of practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many 
 other specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack 
 and 
 over the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just 
 mostly finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it 
 did turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike 
 that looks even better up close than it does far away.

 Willet M.



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[RBW] Re: a worthy Bombadil is back on the road at long last...

[Chris L]

That's a great looking bike!!  

I have a Hunqapillar but I still sometimes feel like the Bombadil was 
actually THE Riv for me.   I don't know if the geometry and tire clearance 
would even work for me but something about it speaks to me, and they are 
even more rare than Hunqapillars!

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 7:03:28 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:

>
> Those fenders actually made it into the final build based on a suggestion 
> that you (Jason) gave me many months ago as I was contemplating which 
> direction to go with the frameset.  I eventually decided to go "all silver" 
> or as close to it as I could possibly get, and the Flat 65's from Simworks 
> were a good match for the 29x2.1 tires that I was planning on using.  They 
> ended up being perfect for the tires, and they didn't take up much room 
> vertically either.  But both front and back fenders were too wide for the 
> fork blades and seat stays, so I did have to notch them pretty 
> significantly and then try to keep the notches aligned as I mounted 
> hardware to the fenders and then the fenders to the frame.  Somewhat 
> shockingly, the notches fit so closely and line up so perfectly that it's 
> hard to tell they've been modified without shining a flashlight on it.  
>
> At $167 shipped for the fenders, I was HIGHLY motivated to get it right 
> the first time!
>
> Thanks again for your helpful suggestions over the winter.  I still have 
> the Proto-Bombadil built up and it fits my short-legs-long-torso dimensions 
> better than this one does (mostly due to a different bar/stem choice).  So 
> this one is for Show and the Protovelo is for Go.  I couldn't be happier or 
> more proud of both, as they were bucket list items for a number of years 
> before I somehow lucked into getting both of them as framesets within less 
> than a year of each other.
>
> Willet M.
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Wow, that thing is gorgeous.  Nice build!!  I love the unique color. 
>> Looks salmon to me. Still undecided whether I'll invest in a paintjob for 
>> mine!  And yeah I wouldn't have even considered the threadless bullmoose 
>> despite being well aware of the existence of said adapter, and it looks as 
>> clean as a quill version would have.  
>>
>> On Sunday, 27 June 2021 at 20:05:37 UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm happy to report that the 
>>> non-creamsicle-but-still-pretty-dang-orange-y Bombadil frame that I bought 
>>> here last September from Jamison B. is all built up and ready to do a 
>>> little Bombadilling (thanks for that, Jason!) in the Rocky Mountains of 
>>> western Colorado.  Though it's destined to be more of a show pony than a 
>>> workhorse like Jason's rig, I did do a fairly premium build on this one 
>>> that I'm sure would hold up for rigorous off-roading or even moderate 
>>> bikepacking if only my legs were a little longer.  
>>>
>>> Particularly noteworthy on this build are the lovely fillet-and-nickel 
>>> Nitto bullmoose bars, which turned out a lot better than I was expecting 
>>> given that I used a quill-to-threadless adapter to mate the 1" threaded 
>>> steerer to the 1 1/8" threadless bar/stem combo.  I also ended up pretty 
>>> thrilled with the wheelset, which Peter White built up with custom Velocity 
>>> Cliffhangers (silver anodized with machined sidewalls) laced up to a 
>>> polished Phil Wood cassette hub in back and a special "Peter White Cycles" 
>>> edition SONdelux Wide Body dynamo hub up front.  Other parts include Sugino 
>>> cranks and seatpost, Brooks Alpe D'Huez saddle, Schmidt Edelux2 headlight, 
>>> SimWorks/Honjo fenders, Paul Neo-Retro's and Love Levers, etc, etc.  It was 
>>> NOT, very frankly, an inexpensive build.
>>>
>>> On the bright side, it did provide hours and hours and hours of 
>>> diversion during the Covid shutdowns and bike parts shortages.  And I got 
>>> lots of practice using various dremel attachments and hand files and many 
>>> other specialized bike tools in order to fit the fenders under the rack and 
>>> over the canti brakes and 29x2.1 knobby tires.  In the end, having just 
>>> mostly finished it up this weekend except for a few REALLY anal tweaks, it 
>>> did turn out better than I had ever hoped for and it is the sort of a bike 
>>> that looks even better up close than it does far away.
>>>
>>> Willet M.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: thumbnail (11).jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: thumbnail (10).jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

Andy,

Thanks for the clarification.  I ordered both issues and look forward to 
reading them and maybe re-subscribing.

Also, my Endurance casings had their first test today.  I rode thru about 
900 feet of grass and when I got back on pavement, I heard a clicking sound 
from my front tire.  I stopped and inspected it, seeing what looked like a 
very small twig but which turned out to be a very small, very rusted 
fishing hook, stuck directly into the center of the tread.  I pulled it out 
and finished my ride with no problems and hopefully it didn't even reach 
the tube.  

On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

>
> Chris, it's an article in issue 75 following the one about performance of 
> knobby tires.
>
> I have been seeing the thickness of the issues does reflect more of Jan's 
> rides but as an engineer and bicyclist he cannot help letting the riding 
> become reporting on how the hardware handled things I like that perspective 
> and I have cached away blurbs from those several ride write-ups for my own 
> ends. I particularly like his realization about underbiking in this issue; 
> he doesn't like it and would enjoy a ride more if he had enough bike. I 
> apply this in reverse in that I don't want to ride a mountain bike for 6-8 
> hours so I ride where my 650B x 42 rules the terrain and I'm happy as a 
> result.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pitttsburgh
> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 10:41:44 PM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>
>> Andy, can you specify if it was issue 74 or 75?  Both have listed 
>> articles that might fit the topic and 74 sounds more likely, but it wasn't 
>> the last issue.  
>>
>> I subscribed to BQ for several years but as the magazine became less 
>> about bikes and more about Jan's rides, I lost interest.  I'll order the 
>> relevant back issue here and see if I might want to re-subscribe.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 4:55:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Really nice pneumatic trail article in the last BQ talks about these 
>>> effects as tires get wider, on pavement and off. The diagrams are great 
>>> clarifiers too. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

Andy, can you specify if it was issue 74 or 75?  Both have listed articles 
that might fit the topic and 74 sounds more likely, but it wasn't the last 
issue.  

I subscribed to BQ for several years but as the magazine became less about 
bikes and more about Jan's rides, I lost interest.  I'll order the relevant 
back issue here and see if I might want to re-subscribe.  



On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 4:55:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> Really nice pneumatic trail article in the last BQ talks about these 
> effects as tires get wider, on pavement and off. The diagrams are great 
> clarifiers too. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Chris L]

I've said many times that I wish my Hunqapillar was tig welded, powder 
coated a single neutral color and half the price.  

Colored head-tubes and splashy decals aren't my thing and are something I 
have to tolerate since nobody else* makes what I want in a bike. 

I do like the attention to detail, quality construction and overall good 
design of Rivendells.   

* There are similar options out there but most either have too short a 
top-tube or disk brakes, or both, neither of which works for me.  

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 4:02:23 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> There have indeed been some cool collaboration frames, though I feel like 
> they all suffer from the same sales-related issue as Rivs themselves often 
> have: they're ahead of their time.  Rivendells from 5 or 10 years ago would 
> fly off the shelves today compared to their sales at the time, because 
> their features and geometry are now the hot thing.  I feel like bikes like 
> the Soma San Marcos suffered in the same way.  I love that Grant keeps 
> pushing forward with his newest ideas rather than making bucks off the 
> older ideas.  
>
> Totally agree that the lack of a TIG medium-duty bike is, at least to me, 
> a huge gaping hole in the lineup which maybe isn't as attractive to fill to 
> Riv as it seems like it would be to me. I feel like a TIG version of a 
> Hillborne, with the longer front center of the Platypus, would be basically 
> the perfect everyday bike. Nothing really exists like it currently. Nothing 
> like the Charlie exists either (swoopy tube road bike with long wheelbase?  
> Never seen it before), which is why I'm real sad that the world will have 
> to wait a bit longer for it.  
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 13:50:40 UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Grant has designed more than a few bikes for other companies. The one I 
>> can think of off the top of my head is the Brooklyn Bike Company Driggs. 
>> But I know what you’re saying…there’s something about that Rivendell name 
>> on the bike.
>> Funny enough, I recall that back in 1994 or so, when I bought my 
>> Atlantis, it was because I reallwanted a Riv, but I just didn’t have the 
>> scratch for a “real Rivendell AR”. 
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 13:17, Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>> If I was Riv President for a day, I would ponder if adding a lower-cost 
>> all-rounder bike would cut into sales of the other models. Clem and 
>> Roadini  (tigged lower-cost frames) are on the rough terrain and road ends 
>> of the spectrum.  The premium equivalents are the Hillibikes  and AHH.  All 
>> of the bikes in the all-rounder territory are the premium type, and there 
>> are quite a few models that functionally overlap (Platy, Sam, Atlantis, Joe 
>> Appa). Adding a lower-cost alternative for the already overlapping premium 
>> models would just cut into the sales of those without further 
>> differentiation. 
>>
>>
>> I would partner with a brand that made lower-cost frames and offer those 
>> without Riv branding.  Then capture all of those other brand's customers 
>> and offer them to ladder up to a Rivendell.  Basically use the lower cost 
>> brand as a channel to sell the more premium Rivs.  And you wouldn't dilute 
>> your brand with a lower-priced model with little differentiation.  
>> Companies like Handsome or Soma might make sense.
>>
>> The good news is 1) I'm not Riv President for a Day and 2) due to the 
>> current bike boom they'll sell whatever bikes they ordered in an hour.  
>> Boom.
>>
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Appaloosa thread

[Chris L]

Based on what Will said RBW's expectations are, I have seven or eight 
months to make a decision on a 55 cm Atlantis.  And then, I would still 
have to try and snag one before they are all gone!

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:41:03 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Wow, that did exceed expectation, though I knew it would be minutes and 
> not hours like Will suggested.  I have to assume the number available was 
> pretty low, since Riv's been sending out a bigger fraction to their dealer 
> network lately. 
>
> I'm sure a lot of potential buyers who are less aware of the reality of 
> being a small bike company than this crowd will be frustrated that 
> Rivendell didn't just order more frames, but in reality there's something 
> like an 18-24 month latency between wanting to order more frames and 
> getting more frames - and sounds like 2022 will be the year of more 
> Riv-supply! 

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

Okay, I braved the heat and HUMIDITY and aired the front to 50 psi and the 
back to a little higher than that and the problem is solved.  The tire 
handles normally and I only hear the loud "tacky" rubber sound in a pretty 
significant lean.  

Now to put some miles on them and see how durable they are for me. 

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

> Yes, I am running with tubes and the Dyad is at the lower end of RH's 
> recommended rim width, but I've seen Jan state several times that rim width 
> doesn't matter with supple tires, so I wasn't concerned about it.  The 
> narrower rim may require a higher pressure, like you and others have 
> suggested.  
>
> Also, the Antelope Hill is RH's road tread, although the thought has 
> passed thru my mind that maybe the knobby version wouldn't have this 
> issue.  
>
> One thing that strikes me (and surprises me) is that the Antelope Hill is 
> HUGE, even on a Dyad rim.  I've looked at tons of photos of Antelope Hills 
> and Snoqualmie Passes on bikes, to get an idea of their relative sizes, but 
> I'm used to tires measuring below their stated widths, sometimes by quite a 
> lot.   
>
> The RH tires do live up to their "low rolling resistance" reputation.  
> Man, they feel fast.  Also, my last tire was a 53 mm Nine Line knobby, 
> which was surprisingly fast for a big knobby, but in a really slow speed, 
> tight angle turn (which I do a lot of in my riding), I often felt like the 
> front tire/wheel was in the way and the bike was about to "trip" over them, 
> if that makes sense.  The Antelope Hill, although it's bigger, doesn't feel 
> that way and in fact, significantly reduced my tight turn radius.  I don't 
> know if that's an intertia thing due to lower overall weight, or something 
> else.  But I do like it. 
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:05:27 PM UTC-5 Saturday Mark wrote:
>
>> Thats a pretty fat tire for a Dyad. I would submit that your usage case 
>> is probably different than a lot here, so this is a bunch of speculating. 
>>
>> I assume you aren't running tubeless?
>> That narrow of a rim usually calls for higher tire pressure to prevent 
>> tire from rolling off.
>> The answer: (RH tires + your load * rim width subtracted from tubeless 
>> equation/riding surface+ knobs per sq inch = your ideal pressure)  
>> I have never heard anything but good reports on the RH knobbies, so I 
>> would think there is a sweet spot somewhere, where is Jan?
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I have Antelope Hills with the light casing on my Appaloosa, and haven't 
>>> noticed any steering oddities/problems. I run them at 25psi front 35psi 
>>> rear, but I only weigh ~145lbs. If you weigh 380, I'd suggest try raising 
>>> the pressure a bit - say 55psi.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

Yes, I am running with tubes and the Dyad is at the lower end of RH's 
recommended rim width, but I've seen Jan state several times that rim width 
doesn't matter with supple tires, so I wasn't concerned about it.  The 
narrower rim may require a higher pressure, like you and others have 
suggested.  

Also, the Antelope Hill is RH's road tread, although the thought has passed 
thru my mind that maybe the knobby version wouldn't have this issue.  

One thing that strikes me (and surprises me) is that the Antelope Hill is 
HUGE, even on a Dyad rim.  I've looked at tons of photos of Antelope Hills 
and Snoqualmie Passes on bikes, to get an idea of their relative sizes, but 
I'm used to tires measuring below their stated widths, sometimes by quite a 
lot.   

The RH tires do live up to their "low rolling resistance" reputation.  Man, 
they feel fast.  Also, my last tire was a 53 mm Nine Line knobby, which was 
surprisingly fast for a big knobby, but in a really slow speed, tight angle 
turn (which I do a lot of in my riding), I often felt like the front 
tire/wheel was in the way and the bike was about to "trip" over them, if 
that makes sense.  The Antelope Hill, although it's bigger, doesn't feel 
that way and in fact, significantly reduced my tight turn radius.  I don't 
know if that's an intertia thing due to lower overall weight, or something 
else.  But I do like it. 

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 6:05:27 PM UTC-5 Saturday Mark wrote:

> Thats a pretty fat tire for a Dyad. I would submit that your usage case is 
> probably different than a lot here, so this is a bunch of speculating. 
>
> I assume you aren't running tubeless?
> That narrow of a rim usually calls for higher tire pressure to prevent 
> tire from rolling off.
> The answer: (RH tires + your load * rim width subtracted from tubeless 
> equation/riding surface+ knobs per sq inch = your ideal pressure)  
> I have never heard anything but good reports on the RH knobbies, so I 
> would think there is a sweet spot somewhere, where is Jan?
>
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I have Antelope Hills with the light casing on my Appaloosa, and haven't 
>> noticed any steering oddities/problems. I run them at 25psi front 35psi 
>> rear, but I only weigh ~145lbs. If you weigh 380, I'd suggest try raising 
>> the pressure a bit - say 55psi.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

This sounds exactly like what I'm experiencing, both in the wheel flop and 
the sound volume when the tires are not going in a straight line.  

Thanks for sharing.  Knowing this may be the case makes it much easier to 
stick with the tires long enough for the issue to resolve itself.

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 9:59:52 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> Interesting that this topic has come up. I have just put 300kms on some 
> Antelope Hills on a 57 Appaloosa. 
> When I first put them on I was dismayed at the wheel flop or 'self 
> steering'. I thought I had wasted a lot of money and was pretty bitter. I 
> have run them consistently at 30psi on road and gravel. I weigh 80kgs.
>
> Don't panic. Once the weird waxy coating on the new rubber wears off, for 
> me this was around 150kms in, the weird handling disappears. Seems that the 
> tackiness of whatever this residue is imparts strange grip as the tread 
> pattern transistions going into a turn.
>
> See how you go.
>
> On Sunday, 13 June 2021 at 05:12:29 UTC+8 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I forgot to mention that I went with Endurance casing, which is the same 
>> threads as the ultralight, but more densely packed.  
>>
>> When it cools down later today and then tomorrow morning, I'll play with 
>> pressure extremes and see where that gets me. 
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> Chris,
>>>  You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
>>> sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
>>> From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
>>> I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride and 
>>> could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
>>> At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it if 
>>> the ride seems too harsh. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed 
>>>> here. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
>>>>> Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
>>>>> If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass 
>>>>> tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> even higher self-justifications. 
>>>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims 
>>>>>> and installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
>>>>>> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
>>>>>> results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
>>>>>> decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
>>>>>> patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain 
>>>>>> bike with Repack geometry.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
>>>>>> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure 
>>>>>> on 
>>>>>> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and 
>>>>>> never experienced self steering at any level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

I forgot to mention that I went with Endurance casing, which is the same 
threads as the ultralight, but more densely packed.  

When it cools down later today and then tomorrow morning, I'll play with 
pressure extremes and see where that gets me. 

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Chris,
>  You don’t mention which casing you purchased but the lighter weight 
> sidewalls require more pressure than many tires with heavier casings. 
> From your description, it sounds like your pressure is too low. 
> I’ve had similar experiences when I have had a slow leak on a ride and 
> could feel the handling change as the pressure dropped. 
> At 380 pounds you might try raising the pressure a bit and lower it if the 
> ride seems too harsh. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:36:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I feel that an opportunity to use the phrase high-falutin was missed 
>> here. 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Just ride and play with tire pressures. 
>>> Find your own sweet spot, nobody can ride your bike like you.
>>> If no sweet spot is found, yeah so what ? Not everyone finds Compass 
>>> tires to their liking you know. With high cost comes high expectations and 
>>> even higher self-justifications. 
>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
>>>> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>>>
>>>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
>>>> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>>>
>>>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
>>>> results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
>>>> decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
>>>> patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>>>
>>>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain 
>>>> bike with Repack geometry.  
>>>>
>>>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
>>>> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
>>>> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>>>
>>>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
>>>> experienced self steering at any level.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

Thanks for the input!

I will definately play around with pressure.  I dropped the pressure again, 
without measuring, and the tire was bottoming out so I checked and it was 
at 20 psi.  I aired it up to 35 psi and rode a little bit and it felt 
better.  I'll try going to max pressure as well and see what happens. 

I was very surprised because after years of reading about the magic of RH 
tires, I was expecting a dreamy ride.  I do recall reading people talking 
about the fatter RH tires having a small sweet spot of pressure  for bounce 
vs cush, but I don't recall discussions of the actual handling.  

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 11:28:57 AM UTC-5 bicycler...@gmail.com wrote:

> What kind of noise are the tires making? Like a rubber skooching on a 
> slick floor sound? 
> The closest to the Antelope Hill that I've ridden is the Switchback Hill, 
> which is 650b x 48mm. I've had them on three bikes over the years and would 
> regularly pump them up to around 45-50psi once a month and not top off for 
> another month so by the time I remembered to reinflate they would be down 
> to around 20psi. This was in part due to negligence, but was also sort of a 
> running experiment to see how the bike handled at different tire pressures. 
> I didn't keep very good notes during this highly scientific study, but I do 
> remember that by the 3 week mark the bike would dive into turns in a real 
> scary way, perhaps something like you're experiencing with the self-steer. 
> At higher pressures I never felt any handling anomalies, but maybe that's 
> because I tended towards higher pressures. 
> Have you considered bumping up to 50-55 psi? I imagine what you're feeling 
> is that big ol' tire flopping over onto its side, bumping the steering one 
> way or the other. My last Switchback Hill bike had 55mm rims and the think 
> tracked like a freight train with no tire flop at all. 
> Best of luck! 
> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 7:48:55 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>
>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
>> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>
>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
>> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>
>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar results 
>> in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that decreases as 
>> the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread patterns  that may 
>> be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>
>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
>> with Repack geometry.  
>>
>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
>> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
>> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>
>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
>> experienced self steering at any level.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Chris L]

I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
installed them on my Hunqapillar.  

The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything other 
than a straight line, they are LOUD.   

Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar results 
in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that decreases as 
the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread patterns  that may 
be more "grippy" to help in turns. 

The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
with Repack geometry.  

I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  

I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
experienced self steering at any level.


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[RBW] Re: New Bars on the Appaloosa

[Chris L]

I've run the Jones bar on both my Karate Monkey and my Hunqapillar and 
thought it was great on both.  For my typical "just riding around" style of 
riding, I prefer a regular MTB bar with a modest amount of sweep, but if I 
started riding further from home or hauling my bike out to the local gravel 
roads, I would probably put the Jones bar back on.  

Jeff Jones recommends the bars be setup with a downward angle of 10-15 
degrees (he specifically notes 11 degrees but gives a suggested range) and 
I found that suggestion to work really well.  I can see that you have have 
some downward angle on your bar, but it's hard to tell from these photos 
how much.  As an experiment, you might tilt them down a few more degrees 
and see how it feels.  Sort of like Grant's start with the saddle too high 
and work your way down to the perfect height approach.  I did this and 
there was definately a specific "sweet spot" for me.  

I bought the 710 specific clear Jones grips and although I really like them 
(I have a 660 cm pair on my stationary bike, which sees far more use than 
my real bike), they can get VERY slippery when wet.  I don't know if this 
is true for the black ones.  

I also mounted my controls as far up the bar as they would go, without 
overlapping the weld, as Jeff recommends, and that worked very well for 
me.  

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 5:00:15 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> I was in an accident on my Appaloosa back in January and ended up having 
> to replace out some of the parts, including the brake levers and shifters. 
>  I decided to swap out the bars while I was at it.  I had several options 
> already in my garage (albatross, bullmoose bosco, choco, etc.), most of 
> which I've had on this bike at some point over the past few years. I had 
> flared drops on it up until the accident.  
>
> I decided to try something new this time and picked up some Jones Loop 
> H-bars.  I wasn't using the drops on my previous bars very much so decided 
> to go with a flatter-style bar that still had a lot of hand positions.  
>
> The bars aren't the best looking things I've had on this bike, but I'm 
> really happy with them so far.  I've put in several rides on them now and 
> really like the width (710!) and variety of hand positions.  I've leaned 
> into more off-road riding with this bike and am prepping for some short 
> multi-day camping trips on it this summer.  These bars seemed to fit the 
> bill nicely.  
>
> Anyone else out there with more miles on these bars?  Any experiences or 
> thoughts to share?  Tips on set up / angle / grips, etc.? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride differences between Bombadil and Appaloosa

[Chris L]

I've had similar thoughts about my 1st run Hunqapillar vs the Appaloosa or 
the new 55 cm Atlantis.  From what I remember reading over the years, I 
think the old Hunqapillars and Bombadils are probably quite a bit lighter 
in weight than the Appaloosa and new Atlantis.  I remember seeing numbers 
like "0.8 straight gauge" for the Bombadil and the Hunqapillar is supposed 
to be very similar to the Bombadil in tubing.  OTOH, Will sent me the specs 
on the Appaloosa tubing and it's thick, with several 1.x numbers in there.  

In theory, the 54 Appaloosa should ride almost identically to my 54 
Hunqapillar with the the exception of the chainstay length.  I would love 
to ride them back-to-back.  

I've thought about picking up a 55 Atlantis frameset when they come back 
next year, but I've pretty much decided that if I did, I would hold on to 
my Hunqapillar until I had some time on the Atlantis, and then I would 
decide which one to keep.  Old Hunqapillars and Bombadils are not not easy 
to come by.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 2:26:24 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I know some of you are already chuckling, assuming my eyes are already 
> wandering towards a new project after only seven months on the Bombadil... 
> well fair, but mostly I am just looking to do my due diligence given that 
> a) Appa's are about to be available in Mermaid and b) at some point soon, 
> I'd be spending decent money on a liquid paint job and a few small braze-on 
> additions that the Joe already has.  
>
> I assume the two bikes ride pretty similarly and weigh pretty similar 
> amounts (the Bombadil, while a burlier bike in theory, is also Waterford 
> build with probably lighter tubing than Grant would use today), in which 
> case I'd stay with the Bombadil.  But my main use-case of the Bombadil, 
> especially in the future, is longer distance commuting (90%+ paved). So if 
> the Appa was noticably quicker and more comfortable, that would be very 
> interesting to me. I realize both are a bit overkill for that purpose, but 
> I want to keep it versatile for hauling stuff and has to be 650B due to the 
> expensive wheelset I just built. Mostly, I just want to initiate a 
> comparison discussion! 
>
> New paint would be either palm green / sand green VW bus colours (dark 
> olive green, and greenish-beige head tube and details), or flat grey with 
> cream headtube. Additions would be M6 rear rack mounts like the Appa has, 
> internal tail light routing, and triple bottle bosses on seat tube. 
>
> [image: PXL_20210501_231647339.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqs. How do I know what year mine is?

[Chris L]

Wow, I didn't realize the Hunqapillar was switched to green that early on.  
Wasn't the first batch released in early 2011?  And they were already doing 
green in 2012.  

I believe Will has stated the Hunqapillar will be back, but in a different 
form.  I look forward to seeing that. 

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:48:14 PM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:

> I believe yours was built in 2012, and if you look at the Wayback Machine, 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20120519113952if_/http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/619.htm
> the 2012 website shows the Hunq without the cream seat tube rectangle.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> Hm, anybody know the history past the gray ones?
>>
>> I have a green Hunqapillar with no cream accent on the seat tube. Serial 
>> would be either...
>>
>> P12088 or F12088. There are too many coats of paint over it, and I can't 
>> exactly tell what the numbers/letters are. 
>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Huh, I guess my Riv memory ain't what it used to be, I seem to have 
>>> transposed Toyo-trained to Toyo-built. I know nothing! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:29:53 AM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a link to the Wayback Machine for Rivbike in 2010 when the Hunq 
>>>> was new: 
>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20100430212618/http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713
>>>>
>>>> "The Hunqapillar frame is an interesting mix of materials and 
>>>> co-conspirators. It's made in Taiwan by a team of builders trained by 
>>>> Tetsu 
>>>> Ishigaki, of Toyo. The main tubes are the most expensive steel tubing we 
>>>> could find anywhere --- Japanese Kaisei 8630 heat-treated. The seat and 
>>>> chainstays are excellent Taiwan CrMo. The fork is made in Japan by Tetsu 
>>>> Ishigaki at Toyo."
>>>>
>>>> jim m
>>>> walnut creek, ca
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:04:54 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I could be wrong about this, but does anyone seem to remember reading 
>>>>> one of GP's posts about them using Kasei tubing on those first 
>>>>> grey/maroon 
>>>>> (and grey/orange) Hunqs?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:02:21 AM UTC-4 Charlie R wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I pre-ordered one of the original Hunqapillars.  From what I can 
>>>>>> recall, the Hunquapillar was the first Taiwan built Rivendell bicycle 
>>>>>> after 
>>>>>> Rivendell left Toyo Japan.  It might have even been a Toyo Taiwan shop.  
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> don't believe any were made by Toyo Japan.   There was a long wait 
>>>>>> period 
>>>>>> and when I finally received the bicycle, Keven told me it was made by 
>>>>>> Waterford because the order from Taiwan was just taking to long.  I 
>>>>>> remember checking the serial number and it fit with the Waterford 
>>>>>> scheme.  
>>>>>> Subsequent batches were made in Taiwan at least for a while and might 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> reverted back to Waterford when the batch orders stopped.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bike was the gray maroon colors.  I have a picture somewhere 
>>>>>> which I will try to find.  I will also try to find my original receipt.  
>>>>>> A 
>>>>>> fellow list member now owns the bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:08:44 AM UTC-4 John M wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: right dropout.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was from my Hunqapillar with serial number "M14008".  Which I 
>>>>>>> had assumed meant the eighth frame produced in 2014 at Waterford.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 2:50:11 AM UTC-6 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Joe,  would you know how to determine if the frame is made in 
>>>>>>>> Toyo or Waterford?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 2:24:42 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's correct, the fi

[RBW] Re: Hunqs. How do I know what year mine is?

[Chris L]

Thanks for posting that!   I remember reading it way back when, but I 
didn't have my bike at that time and didn't try to match those specs to any 
particular Hunqapillar.

The first section of that link is almost word-for-word, the big Hunqapillar 
brochure I have.  I never knew where in the Hunqapillar time-frame that 
brochure came from and whether it applied to early models or middle 
models.  I have three others that are just updates on the progress of the 
frame.

So, it sounds like mine was made in Taiwan, with heat treated main tubes 
and chainstays and a Japanese fork.  That's nice to know.  

I've been wanting to try RH's 700 x 55 Antelope Hill tires and when I went 
to order a day or two ago, they were already out of stock.  I've got WTB 
Nine Lines on it right now and enjoy them, even though I'm 100% pavement 
and grass, but the Hunqapillar just looks so RIGHT with knobbies that I 
might just order the new RH 700 x 55 knobbies.  

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:29:53 AM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:

> Here's a link to the Wayback Machine for Rivbike in 2010 when the Hunq was 
> new: 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20100430212618/http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713
>
> "The Hunqapillar frame is an interesting mix of materials and 
> co-conspirators. It's made in Taiwan by a team of builders trained by Tetsu 
> Ishigaki, of Toyo. The main tubes are the most expensive steel tubing we 
> could find anywhere --- Japanese Kaisei 8630 heat-treated. The seat and 
> chainstays are excellent Taiwan CrMo. The fork is made in Japan by Tetsu 
> Ishigaki at Toyo."
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:04:54 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> I could be wrong about this, but does anyone seem to remember reading one 
>> of GP's posts about them using Kasei tubing on those first grey/maroon (and 
>> grey/orange) Hunqs?
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:02:21 AM UTC-4 Charlie R wrote:
>>
>>> I pre-ordered one of the original Hunqapillars.  From what I can recall, 
>>> the Hunquapillar was the first Taiwan built Rivendell bicycle after 
>>> Rivendell left Toyo Japan.  It might have even been a Toyo Taiwan shop.  I 
>>> don't believe any were made by Toyo Japan.   There was a long wait period 
>>> and when I finally received the bicycle, Keven told me it was made by 
>>> Waterford because the order from Taiwan was just taking to long.  I 
>>> remember checking the serial number and it fit with the Waterford scheme.  
>>> Subsequent batches were made in Taiwan at least for a while and might have 
>>> reverted back to Waterford when the batch orders stopped.  
>>>
>>> The bike was the gray maroon colors.  I have a picture somewhere which I 
>>> will try to find.  I will also try to find my original receipt.  A fellow 
>>> list member now owns the bike.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:08:44 AM UTC-4 John M wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: right dropout.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> This was from my Hunqapillar with serial number "M14008".  Which I had 
>>>> assumed meant the eighth frame produced in 2014 at Waterford.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 2:50:11 AM UTC-6 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Joe,  would you know how to determine if the frame is made in Toyo 
>>>>> or Waterford?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 2:24:42 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's correct, the first ones had orange and are very rare, then 
>>>>>> kidney bean, then they went to the green frames. To my knowledge all are 
>>>>>> Toyo or Waterford. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:04:29 PM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if my Hunqapillar might be a prototype, and that's what the 
>>>>>>> "p" designates?  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Flickr, there are several photos of the 54 cm prototype, painted 
>>>>>>> gray with orange head tube.  The photos clearly show the pump peg 
>>>>>>> painted 
>>>>>>> gray, with white lining around it, which matches my bike.  The only 
>>>>>>> other 
>>>>>>> gray/orange 54cm Hunq I'm aware of, has the pump peg the color of the 
>>>>>>> head 
>>>>>>> tube (ie, orange), as does every Hunqapillar, in any color, in a random 
>>&g

[RBW] Re: Hunqs. How do I know what year mine is?

[Chris L]

I wonder if my Hunqapillar might be a prototype, and that's what the "p" 
designates?  

On Flickr, there are several photos of the 54 cm prototype, painted gray 
with orange head tube.  The photos clearly show the pump peg painted gray, 
with white lining around it, which matches my bike.  The only other 
gray/orange 54cm Hunq I'm aware of, has the pump peg the color of the head 
tube (ie, orange), as does every Hunqapillar, in any color, in a random 
sample from my collection of Hunq photos.  The prototype has an orange ring 
at the bottom of the seat tube lug, while mine is a somewhat sloppy white.  

I have always assumed all of (very few) orange trim Hunq's came from that 
first batch.  Maybe that is not the case.  

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 12:42:33 AM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

>
> I would be curious, as well.  My Hunqapillar is from the very first batch 
> and I'm not even sure what year that was.  2011?  Taiwan?  I've heard of 
> Toyo and Wisconsin Hunqapillars but I'm assuming that first batch was from 
> Taiwan.
>
> I have four different Hunqapillar brochures, one of which specifies the 
> brand and number of the main tubes, but I have no idea if that brochure 
> applies to mine or not.  
>
> The serial number format is RIV"P"XXX.  I'm not sure the "P" is actually a 
> "P".  The paint is pretty heavy in that spot.  
>
> What color is your Hunqapillar?  Mine is gray and orange.  
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:01:27 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> Hey y’all, 
>>
>> Just out of curiosity... How do I know what year and location my Hunq was 
>> manufactured in? Any particular details I should look at? Is there a Hunq 
>> manufacturing timeline somewhere? 
>>
>> Nikko in Oakland 
>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqs. How do I know what year mine is?

[Chris L]

I would be curious, as well.  My Hunqapillar is from the very first batch 
and I'm not even sure what year that was.  2011?  Taiwan?  I've heard of 
Toyo and Wisconsin Hunqapillars but I'm assuming that first batch was from 
Taiwan.

I have four different Hunqapillar brochures, one of which specifies the 
brand and number of the main tubes, but I have no idea if that brochure 
applies to mine or not.  

The serial number format is RIV"P"XXX.  I'm not sure the "P" is actually a 
"P".  The paint is pretty heavy in that spot.  

What color is your Hunqapillar?  Mine is gray and orange.  
On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:01:27 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> Hey y’all,
>
> Just out of curiosity... How do I know what year and location my Hunq was 
> manufactured in? Any particular details I should look at? Is there a Hunq 
> manufacturing timeline somewhere? 
>
> Nikko in Oakland 

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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug: Rivendell company ride

[Chris L]

And a Mermaid one, too..

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Blue Lug just posted a short n' fun video of their staff on an all-Riv 
> outing :) 
>
> Includes an olime platypus 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpWq3upMuAo
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[RBW] Re: What's your favorite painting of a Bombadil?

[Chris L]

It might be sacrilege, but if I ever decided to change the color of my 
Hunqapillar, I would have it powder coated dull black.  Deciding to change 
the color would  be an indication that it's a "forever" bike for me and I 
want it to look as generic as possible.  Just a personal preference.

However, there are other Riv's and other non-Riv's that interest me, so for 
now, it stays dolphin gray and orange.  

On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 12:55:00 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Blue Lug's sense of style is unparalleled!  Yeah that's gorgeous.  Eric 
> has a good point too - and, something that I think about is that a proper 
> quality paint job will be minimum one-third the value of the frame itself, 
> when I could just put that towards an actual frame and preserve the 
> Bombadil's original finish... 
>
> Good chance I've been talked out of ever painting it, despite the high 
> quality options given. 

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Re: [RBW] Platypus Weight?

[Chris L]

The tube thicknesses Will quoted to me on the Appaloosa were pretty stout.  
 The down tube and seat tube were 1.1 and 1.2, respectively, at the butted 
ends and .8 at the other ends.   Top tube was .9 x .7

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 12:01:49 AM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not an answer to the question you are asking, but word from Will is it’s 
> essentially the same tube set as the Appaloosa. I’m guessing that would be 
> a medium duty tube set by Riv standards.
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:11 AM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> Any ideas what the Platypus frameset will weigh? Yes, I know it's a 
>> weight-weenie question & the Riv-Mafia will be all over me for it but I'm 
>> just interested. I thought it was mentioned somewhere on their website but 
>> I can't find it. 
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[RBW] Re: What's your favorite painting of a Bombadil?

[Chris L]

British racing green and cream.  

[image: Green bomba.jpg]

On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 7:27:47 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> So, many of you are probably aware of the Bombadil that lives within my 
> realm of belongings thanks to Joe having taken it in and then releasing it 
> back into the wild. I, as many of you, love the clearcoat-over-raw finish 
> that it has.  I'm 50% sure I want to keep it this way, even though it 
> provides sub-optimal corrosion protection, and just touch up problem areas 
> as they arise. 
>
> But I'm also 50% sure I want to strip it back down to a frame, have it 
> restored and frame-saver'd, and professionally painted. Timeline on this 
> wouldn't be immediate - probably next year, or the year after that, but I 
> like to plan ahead. To my chagrin in this group I would not be sending it 
> to Joe Bell because I'm in Canada and it would be like $400 in shipping 
> alone, plus I'm local to Chris Dekerf who has a very capable paint studio 
> that does lots of impressive custom work (all of Chromag's locally made 
> frames, for instance).  
>
> I absolutely would be doing a proper two-color paintjob with all the lug 
> detailing that a MUSA Rivendell has, and I want the color selection to look 
> like a natural choice for the Bombadil - it doesn't have to be a Rivendell 
> colour, but I want it to look like it could easily have been in 2009.  I 
> also wouldn't do this unless I can get the proper decals to apply after, 
> though Riv never responds to my emails so I'll probably need to give them a 
> call on this. 
>
> I am gravitating towards greens and greys at the moment.  Ideas include: 
> - Classic Hunq green 
> - Vaughn's custom green (bit more of a sage quality) 
> - Bomba / Hunq dark grey, but without the red paneling - maybe the cream 
> white??
> - I don't know this is hard! 
>
> Leah made me aware that Taiwan does not use consistent paint coding as 
> North America, so while I love the idea of the new Platypus blue-silver 
> (actually green-blue), it's probably not possible.  
>
> My knowledge of what colors the Bombadil came in is limited by what google 
> tells me because I did not know of this bike when it was new. There are 
> surely period-correct Rivendell colors I haven't considered, but many of 
> you were there and lived through it - and I'd love your ideas!  
>
> [image: Bomby.JPG]
>
> Many thanks, 
> Jason in Vancouver BC 
>   
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[RBW] Re: FS: Surly Cross Check 54 - upgraded to Hunqapillar so selling! Chris King Headset and SImWorks Stem $500

[Chris L]

Pics of Hunqapillar?   

After waiting for 8 years, I finally had the opportunity to pick up a 54cm 
Hunqapillar from what I think is the very first batch.  The serial number 
is 015.

On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-6 Jeffrey S wrote:

>
> I was finally able to upgrade to my dream, and first, Rivendell, a 
> Hunqapillar, so I am selling my Surly Cross Check frameset! $500
>
> 54 cm Cross Check - 2015-2016
> Chris King 1" threadless headset
> SimWorks Dirty Rhonda stem
> Shimano Bottom bracket that fit my vintage Sugino AT triple crankset
>
> I also have from it:
> Shimano Deore 10 speed deraileur - $20
> Shimano 10 speed cassette - $10
> Shimano bottom Bracket for a double - $10
>
> I am a sign painter and painted the frame a custom pink with hand lettered 
> surly lettering. The paint job isn't the toughest, but looks cool! I have 
> the extra paint I mixed I can give you for touch ups. 
>
> I am located in Portland, OR for local pick up but can ship too, which 
> would be an extra $70 or so. That is what it cost to get my new frame here.
>
> Here is the Craigslist link 
> 
>  
> for photos.
>
> Thanks!
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Chris L]

The product pages, with some large photos and many small photos is very 
unfriendly and if you want to change categories, you have to scroll all the 
way back to the top to find the three little lines (which are almost 
invisible in those huge b images at the top) and click it again.  Maybe 
once in the products sections, keep the navigating tree visible?  If 
possible.  And make all of the product links the larger size.

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 10:56:21 PM UTC-6 Dave wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
>
> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>
> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
> to the homepage.
>
> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>
> Dave Schonenberg
>
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[RBW] Re: I'm ready

[Chris L]

I had an 83-84 Takara Highlander, which was basically a Stumpjumper clone 
and it rode nothing like a Riv.  The Takara was floppy at slow speeds and 
became a juggernaut at medium and faster speeds.  The front-end either felt 
like you couldn't hold it steady or it felt like you could barely budge it 
from straight.  

The Hunqapillar front-end is very neutral, not twitchy and not overly 
stable.  In fact, the front end just instinctively goes where I want it 
too, which I think is a big part of the Riv ride magic.   If I see a 
particular path I want to take or something I want to avoid, just thinking 
about it seems to make it happen, with no real conscious effort to make the 
steering corrections.  

I test rode a 26" LHT and found it to be extremely twitchy and unpleasant.  
But, it had drop bars, which I'm not used too, and the skinny tires Surly 
spec'd for it.  Put fat tires and a mtb handlebar on the 26" LHT, and I 
think it would ride similar to a Rivendell.  In fact, the front end 
geometry of the 26" LHT and the original 56 cm Atlantis, yield pretty much 
the same trail and wheel flop numbers.  
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:38:50 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:

> I'm ready to get a riv bike but haven't ridden one yet. Bikes I've owned 
> and emulated rive bikes with are the following.
>
> MB-1  26"
> MB-0. 26"
> Surly LTH.  26"
> EBISU All purpose 650b
> Salsa ala carte26"
> 84 stump jumper 26"
> 80s univega. 26"
>
> Anyone have experience with same bikes? Do the rivs handle like 80s mt 
> conversations?  after years of riding I'm beginning to get some neck pain 
> from drop bars. So really an upright sporty rando with day loads up diablo. 
> Haven't decided what model yet.
>
> Thanks 
> Sam
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[RBW] Re: Replace my Atlantis ?

[Chris L]

I've ridden my Hunqapillar with 700c x 53 tires (Maxxis Torch 29) and Jones 
bars and it was a very nice setup.  The Jones bars alone have improved the 
handling of all the bikes I've put them on, but the Hunqapillar is a great 
handling bike to start with, so it just becomes that much nicer.

The past Appaloosas were so close to the Hunqapillar in geometry, that with 
the exception of the chainstay length, I don't think you would feel any 
difference at all between it and the Hunqapillar, at least in my size (54 
Hunq, 55 Appa).  

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 10:50:36 AM UTC-6 Sean Cleary wrote:

> Hey Doug (and others who know new model)- do you recall approximately what 
> size tire was on the new Atlantis you rode that rode so well? I'm looking 
> to create a 700 x 2.3" bike with a Jones H bar. Anyone else have experience 
> on big tire Rivs? The new Clems and Gus Boots just don't appeal to me. Wish 
> there were still Bombadils and Hunquapillar (sp?) to choose from.
>
> Background: a long time Homer Hilsen owner which has been an excellent 
> jack of all trades but a master of none. I find it too jarring on some 
> pavement surface despite large tires. Esthetically, Atlantis has always 
> been my favorite Rivendell. I realize a Jones bar is a weird element on a 
> Riv but it's become my favorite bar as I grow older...and older.
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 10:22:48 PM UTC-6 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> Replace, or add to?
>>
>> I have a Toyo Atlantis with 26" wheels, and don't think I'll ever part 
>> with it. It's too useful, as a Jack-of-all-trades. Fastest? Nope. Lightest? 
>> Nope. Not even close. Fanciest? Nope. But it's set up with fenders, racks, 
>> wide gear range, and dynamo lights, and it's as comfy and no-nonsense as 
>> they come. If I'm not sure know where I'm going, I'll slap on a pannier and 
>> take the Atlantis.
>>
>> I've thought about selling my Rivendell All-Rounder (with the 753 
>> tubeset) and Boulder All-Road (with "skinny" tubing). I've even thought 
>> about selling my Colnago Master and Seven Ti Axiom. And I've actually 
>> *sold* my Surly LHT and Litespeed Blue Ridge. But I've never considered 
>> selling my Atlantis. In fact, I like it so much I got my son one too.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:53:08 PM UTC-8 Peter Forde wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 28D2644F-06A5-4181-9EBB-6C351B65BA2B.jpeg]
>>> I’ve had my 58cm Toyo Atlantis since 2002.
>>> It has taken me on numerous 1000+ mile tours, 400k brevets and has kept 
>>> me smiling for many, many miles.
>>> Workhorse it is, but I am thinking of perhaps a lighter, more subtle 
>>> frame.  Any ideas or suggestions (Riv or otherwise)?
>>> P.S.  I do like a front, rack mounted bag but don’t have to go crazy 
>>> with lower trail and want to keep my 700c wheels.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ringing out 2020, Goals for 2021

[Chris L]

My goal is to get back to riding an actual bicycle.

A major health issue in January kept me off the bike for much of the year.  
I rode my Hunqapillar about 75 miles, all 1-3 miles at a time, but did put 
over 600 miles on a stationary bike I bought for conditioning.  I went 
months riding the stationary bike and not touching the Hunqapillar and once 
I got back on the real bike, it was so totally different that it was 
shocking.  My rpm & cadence on the stationary don't apply in any way, shape 
or form on a real bike.  Also, I had some (maybe) symptoms that might have 
been related to my earlier health issue, so I backed off on riding the 
Hunqapillar.

If I get back to riding a real bike, I want to spend a lot of time riding 
my 1984 Trek 830.  If I am comfortable getting back into riding, I plan to 
go forward, at some point in the future, with a custom frameset and thanks 
to Jan Heine's commitment to 26" wheels/tires, I plan to go that route on 
my design.  His recent book just affirms my suspicion that 26 x 54 is the 
right combo for me.  

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 7:47:01 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> I haven't had an odometer on my bike since March so I fall short of any 
> tally or objective to quantify for this year. I am simply looking forward 
> to more and better next year and wonder how many others have let their 
> minds go forward for consideration of next year's opportunities.
>
> Bicycling has been my balm for this past year, my hospital unit became the 
> COVID-19 unit and I have been in that trench since March, bike commuting to 
> and from each shift appreciating all of the conditions the seasons have 
> thrown along the way. In the warmer months I actually commuted with my 
> Rambouillet, stopping when the season obviated its less than optimum 
> preparation 
> for full darkness. I've brought it to safety in its beausavaged 
> condition, I'll clean it up when I can. 
>
> Next week I'm getting pre-procedure COVID swabbed for reconstruction of my 
> shoulder, as long as the Thanksgiving surge doesn't bar elective 
> interventions. No injury involved, just the remnants of an interesting life 
> lived so far. I'll be in a sling for some time, they'll tell me after the 
> extent of surgery how long it's going to be. 
>
> Nothing prepares you for having to step off the line. It happened to me in 
> the military and not being able to walk provided easier rationalization. I 
> feel the same for stepping away from my year round cycling cohorts who ride 
> regardless of season or weather, chasing personal objectives, practicality 
> or persona demons. I feel the same way for stepping away from my work 
> colleagues as this pandemic surges. My vocational physical ability hasn't 
> been affected much but this shoulder is intruding on other things now, 
> mostly sleep. I can't fall asleep for long before relaxed muscles lets 
> alignment sag and the cold steel jabs of pain shock me awake. It's what got 
> the orthopedist's attention and an MRI ordered. it's a mess. 
>
> I'm going to be back to having my bike in the room as an icon of luck and 
> motivation to get through post-op and rehab. I have other good hands in the 
> house for support through this, including a new nurse, so I don't feel so 
> obtuse looking forward to getting back on track and having riding goals by 
> spring.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is your favorite all-round "just ride" cruising gear?

[Chris L]

When I ride a multi-gear bike, I tend to ride it as a single-speed, only 
changing gears when I really have to.  I don't remember the exact gear 
inches but err on the lower side, probably around the 60'ish gear-inch 
range.  

On the rare occasions when I get out on a long stretch, even a very modest 
downslope ends up in my spinning out my 90'ish gear-inch top end.  Straight 
and level riding bores me, so I rarely do that and mainly stick to slower 
riding with lots of twists and turns around the neighborhood's streets and 
greenbelt sidewalks.  

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Idle thoughts while waiting for a client call in 9 minutes. 
>
> Snow here this morning, tho' it won't stick; still, one hopes to get 
> enough to stay around long enough so one can ride in it.
>
> Which raiseth the question: for a single speed mtb used for casual dirt 
> road and flat dirt track riding, sand and (again, one hopes) snow, as well 
> as casual pavement and firm dirt riding, what gear would you choose? Mine 
> is presently 65" (180 mm cranks) which is low and easy for dry land riding, 
> but I am thinking about swapping the 15 for a 16 for 61", but wonder if 
> that would be too low for pavement. OEM gearing (as I got it) was 50", 
> which is far too low for anything I do.
>
> I could always just try it, but that wouldn't solve the question about 
> what to do in the remaining minutes before this call.
>
> Seriously, I'm curious what y'all use for just puttering around.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis differences

[Chris L]

I still don't know where my Hunqapillar frame was built.  I believe it is 
from the very first batch (gray/orange) and the brochures I've found state 
early Hunq's were built in Taiwan, Japan & Wisconsin.  The problem is that 
I don't know which brochure (if any) is accurate for mine.  

The serial number is faint but I believe it is:  RIVP###  82/595.  It's 
been awhile since I looked at it and I think the really hard part to read 
was the "P", which now thinking about it, might logically be a "B" for 
Bicycle.  

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-6 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:

> Having cawfee with Rich this morning, he of R'dell wheel building fame, I 
> found out the difference between my 2 Atlantis's. (Yeah, yeah, I 
> know...it's hard to bitch when you have a loaf of bread under each arm...)
>
> So, Atlantises made by Toyo have chainstays that flare Out at the 
> drop-outs, whereas the Taiwan and Waterford chainstays are straight from 
> their bend out of the bottom bracket. The presence of a plate between the 
> chainstays for a generator or kickstand doesn't help identifying the 
> constructor.
>
> Hope it helps. Btw, share the bread...we're all in this together.
>

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[RBW] Re: It's an [expatriated] Bombadil!

[Chris L]

What size is this?  

I think the Bombadil is right up there with the Hunqapillar as my favorite 
Riv bikes.  The Bombadil might even have a slight edge, even though I have 
a Hunqapillar!


On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> This all started with a "dibs!" comment, and here I am. I think the Bomba 
> is going to enjoy our Canadian west coast forests!
>
> [image: IMG_2701.JPG]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[Chris L]

I spend a lot of time on a non-bike forum where everything under the sun is 
discussed, and e-bikes come up fairly often.  The consensus of e-bike 
riders there is that they work just as hard while riding their e-bikes, 
they just end up going faster!  

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:

> I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I have 
> been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one I 
> would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.  
> And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of 
> 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with a 
> bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could 
> separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on 
> the experiment.
>
> In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on 
> the way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I 
> ride my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too 
> long (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I 
> have the peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance 
> level on the bike and take it easy.  
>
> In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60 
> for my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming 
> to think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of 
> sense as alternative transportation devices.  
>
> Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this 
> morning.  At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but now 
> I find myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w three 
> different handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache, 
> clementine=choco-moose).
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>   
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Recommendation for a modern mountain bike?

[Chris L]

The Surly Karate Monkey is a fun bike.  

I have a 1st generation, that has older style geometry (steeper head angle, 
lower BB) and it's a fun bike for all around riding.  For trails, I would 
prefer the new Karate Monkey, which has more modern MTB geometry (slack 
head angle, long front center).  When I first test rode the earlier gen KM, 
I marveled at how confidence inspiring it was.  The new gen KM inspires 
much more confidence for off-road riding.  

On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 1:54:21 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm thinking about buying myself a new mountain bike, to complement my 
> Rivendell and my vintage mtb commuter that is as old as I am. I was 
> wondering what people on here might recommend. I want to spend between $700 
> and $1700. I want to be able to bunny-hop, hit trails, drop it in the 
> creek, go mud-bogging. I want a bike I can abuse without regret. I have 
> taken my Rivendell on trails, but I want to ride more aggressively. I am 6 
> feet tall, 210 lbs. 86cm PBH. 
>
> I'd like a steel hardtail, but I'd consider aluminum too I suppose. I was 
> thinking something like a Kona Unit X, a Kona Fire Mountain, a Surly 
> Wednesday. The Salsa Rangefinder looks good. Has anyone ridden one? 
>
> In the past, I have owned a Gary Fisher steel mountain bike from 1997 that 
> I bought new, and a Spot single speed, which I built up from parts but was 
> a little small for me. 
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Chris L]

He's already posted a second video of the Hillborne, this time on some mild 
single-track.  

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:11:53 PM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote:

> The Sam's are supposed to arrive in "September-ish", so if they do the 
> full review later in Aug or Sept it will be timely enough as far as Riv is 
> concerned. Lately some of the more popular sizes and colors have sold out 
> before the frames even arrived, so I'm not sure how much advertising they 
> need.
>
> -Dave J
>
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:52:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> After watching this video, I jumped over to the Riv site to see what the 
>> current spec is on the Sam... and it’s not even on the site. No preorder 
>> info or anything. Seems like an opportunity missed.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Chris L]

I have tried the albatross bars several times, on several bikes, including 
my Hunqapillar.  I really, really want to like them but I just can't.  The 
only spot on the bar I found tolerable was at the very front of the curves, 
and I'm not a drop bar rider.  

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 6:43:05 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:

> His initial review was pretty much what I expected. 
> Although, it was pretty obvious to me he was grappling with the Billie 
> bars; I noticed he really favored the forward hand position. Being a rider 
> who favors drop bars that was not surprising; it made me think he would 
> probably like some Albastash bars much more! Also I know he favors a 
> smaller frame, but maybe some of his reach issues stem from it possibly 
> being too small?

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[RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Chris L]

Does anyone recall if Russ has ever ridden a Rivendell?  I know he's a fan 
because he once commented very favorably on my Hunqapillar.  

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:11:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> To be clear - I didn't expect my comment to get so much play - it's just 
> the word I'm not into. The PLP folks seem lovely and I'm interested to hear 
> what they think of the Hillborne. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Chris L]

I would love to ride a 54 Hunqapillar and a 55 Appaloosa, set up 
identically, back to back.  I've compared the geometry charts and the only 
real difference is the chainstay length of the Appaloosa.  I have an image 
in my mind of how the Appaloosa would ride and it's a smoother, more stable 
version of my Hunqapillar.  

I've never seen the tubing specs for the Hunqapillar but Will gave me the 
tubing specs for the Appaloosa (don't know which size) and there were 
several "1.x" tube thicknesses in there.  I don't think the Hunqapillar is 
that stout.  



On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 5:38:23 PM UTC-5, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm looking for opinions about the ride of a 58 Hunq vs a 58 Appaloosa. I 
> know that is pretty specific, but here's why. I just finished building up a 
> 55 Appaloosa for my wife and we were on a ride this weekend where we traded 
> bikes. Both of us remarked that the Appa felt much more lively, smoother, 
> and lighter than the Hunq. Seeing how her bike has the awesome 55mm Compass 
> EL tires, I traded wheels to see if that would account for the difference, 
> but it really didn't make much difference.
>
> So before I start thinking about replacing my beloved grey/kidney bean 
> Hunq with an Appaloosa I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone else out 
> in Riv land has had experience with both, ideally in my 58 size. Am I just 
> imagining the difference??
>
> Thanks for any input you have!
>
> Gary
> Asheville,NC
>

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Re: [RBW] Velocity Dyads and 50mm Tires

[Chris L]

Wow.   I weigh 385 and I pump any 50+ mm tire to 45 psi and consider that 
higher than I really need.   

I've been riding Dyads and have had 50+ mm tires on them probably 95% of 
the time.  I don't do huge miles but the wheels are about 7-8 years old.  
Zero problems with the rims or wheels.  


On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 6:01:11 PM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>
>  For example, Schwalbe says that if the rider weighs 240 lbs, a 50mm wide 
> tire should be inflated to 70psi. This is absurd. 
>
> Peter White
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Travel bikes

[Chris L]

If cost were not an option, I would look at R's UTB with travel option 
and Rohloff.  It's a 26" wheel bike that fits in a 26" x 26" case.  Not 
inexpensive but it's a normal bike when put together.  

https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/utb/utb-main.html

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[RBW] Re: Most modified?

[Chris L]

I haven't done any modifications but I might someday consider having my 54 
cm Hunqapillar (700c) converted to 650B.  Even with the large BB drop, 60 
mm tires would give a good BB height.  I've decided that 700c x 50 or 
bigger tires are just too cumbersome for the riding I do.  

I could do disc tabs and have the best of both worlds but I have no 
experience with them and don't know if I would like them.  


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 3:45:19 PM UTC-5, J L wrote:
>
> One of the things I like about Rivendell is their encouragement of 
> individualized setups. What are some examples of permanently modified Riv 
> bikes that you all have had, or ridden, or seen? I can think of a few 
> examples. 
>
> Anyone have disc tabs on an Atlantis or Appaloosa? 
>
> Anyone weld on a child seat mount? 
>
> Belt drive modification for IGH? 
>
> Homebrew tandem? 
>
>
> Etc. 
>
> Jason 
> SF Bay Area

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[RBW] Re: Painted Appaloosa - Almost Like a New Bike Day!

[Chris L]

I've always thought that, when done right, orange is an excellent bicycle 
color.  Your Appaloosa is one of the best looking orange bikes I've seen.

Congrats!



On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:58:05 PM UTC-5, Litho wrote:
>
> I just picked up my freshly painted Appaloosa from Rick at D Cycles 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Chris L]

The Gallop schematic that was posted on the Blahg a few months ago shows a 
700c x 47 (724 mm diameter) tire specification.  I don't know if that type 
of schematic typically shows the biggest tire the bike is designed for. 

I like this one.  I like the swooping top tube on the Gus and I like it on 
this bike.  The long front and rear makes for nice proportions.  



On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> The September email update teases a new bike: the Charlie H Gallop. 
> PREDICTIONS! GO!
>
> Mine: MIT lugged road-ish bike with Cantis. 650B even at the largest size. 
> Level top tube, but fewer size options.
>

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

[Chris L]

One of the things I love about this group is that it is a refuge where for 
the most part, only bikes and related tangents are discussed.  

It bugs me when bicycle businesses (or any other, for that matter) inject 
their politics into their social media presence.  When I want to dive into 
that divisive crap, I go to Twitter.  Facebook and Instagram are for 
recreation and helpful information.  The RBW group also fits nicely into 
the latter category.



On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:20:58 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> First - I want to thank everyone who took the time to share their views 
> directly or through the other "OT" thread. It is humbling to know that you 
> care enough about this community to have strong feelings, and it feels like 
> everyone has the underlying desire to make this group a better place. 
>
> That got me thinking about what purpose this group serves. 
>
> At the time of its creation, it was, in my mind, a refuge. 
> I used the analogy of a "neutral ground" social gathering place - a pub 
> where everyone left their weapons outside and agreed to find similar 
> interests rather than inflame differences. 
>
> The tone and tenor of the internet at that time had shifted a bit from the 
> generally helpful tone (of say Sheldon Brown's expansive resources) to a 
> more caustic approach (anyone remember rec.bicycles...?) and I felt it was 
> important to create a supportive refuge. (There were other issues too which 
> had to do with RBW's email list and such, but I don't want to digress...).
>
> Things have continued to change since 2007, of course. It's very difficult 
> to have a reasonable conversation using only printed words in the best of 
> times. Recently we have not been experiencing the best of times. 
>
> So, that's what we have here, today. These times. Our group. 
>
> Does this group matter? Is it important? Is the idea of a refuge viable? 
> Is everyone so wired and induced to react that we cannot give one another 
> the space to be wrong?
>
> I'm not sure I can answer any of those questions today, and ultimately 
> they are maybe not all that important. 
>
> I do know the following:
>
> - I have two blunt tools at my disposal for wrangling this group - 
> deleting things and setting moderating levels for members. 
> - I have limited time to manage this group (not a change - just a 
> statement of fact).
> - I can also remove members, though I've only had to do that a few times 
> in the history of this group.
>
> I've always felt this group isn't for everyone. iBob is a much more 
> free-wheeling, broadly raucous group. I suspect there are groups and 
> threads and gatherings on Discord, Facebook, TikTok, WhatsApp, twitter and 
> a bunch of other places I'm not hip enough to know about, where bicycles 
> are discussed alongside religion, politics, economic theory and other firey 
> topics. 
>
> This group - and the individual members who make it up - have lurched into 
> and out of strong disagreement many times. Some of you I've known - through 
> the old rec.bicycles groups - for more than 25 years. Which is kind of 
> weird to write. So, I kind of shake my head and know that you'll 
> self-correct, or understand a larger context where your most recent - and 
> sometimes quite flippant and unfortunate - comment lives. But newer members 
> may not know that, and don't understand us (any of us) to that degree.
>
> I ask those of you who have been here a long time and remain active to act 
> with a little more car before pressing "Post" or clicking "Send". Everyone 
> is on edge right now and it doesn't take much to spark responses.
>
> Which brings me back to wanting this group to remain a place of neutral 
> ground. 
>
> To that end, and to ratchet things down, here are a few thoughts:
>
> - For the next month (through end of July), let's truncate our email 
> "footer" - name is fine, location if you want, even what Rivendell you ride 
> or lust for. But let's excise any exhaltations, quotes, passages, 
> businesses, links or other non-name-rank-serial number level info. 
> - Please do not start non-RBW _bicycle_  threads. I will likely simply 
> delete them for a while.
> - Ride reports encouraged, as always. It helps offset the buy/sell posts 
> which proliferate here. 
>
> Finally, a reminder - a thread continues only as long as people comment 
> upon it. Nothing wrong with letting someone else have the last word.
>
> Be well, stay safe.
>
> - Jim / list admin
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

[Chris L]

There are quite a few RBW bike names I really like and a few I really 
dislike.  

Maybe due to the fact that I came on board with RBW in 2011 when there was 
already a long line of past bikes with established names, I like most of 
those names.  They just seem right.  

I'm not a fan of bikes named after people but I don't hate them, either.

I really dislike Gus Boots Willsen and it's anagram bike names.  

I didn't care for Platypus at first but now I think it's a cool bike name, 
just not for the bike it's attached to.  The Platypus, in my mind, should 
be a bike more in the Hunqapillar/Bombadil vein. 

My favorite post-2011 bike name is probably "Appaloosa".  However, I could 
live without the "Joe" part.  

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Chris L]

I use VP Harrier pedals (they have a safety recall and I haven't gotten 
around to trading them in for the newer version) because they are the 
largest (120 x 110) pedal I could find.  I have some kind of weird range of 
motion issue with my right knee or hip and I always end up with my right 
foot barely on the pedal.  Really wide pedals have mostly solved this. 



On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 12:46:34 PM UTC-5, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
> article below:
>
> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>
> Doug Hansford
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe’s Big Apple is a 10-year old tire design. What’s a newer/better alternative?

[Chris L]

I have the Maxxis Torch 29'ers on my Hunqapillar and the thought of 
swapping them out for the 60mm Big Apples I have hanging on the wall never 
once crossed my mind.  And I like the Big Apples.  I just like the Torch 
more.  

I can't vouch for durability because I don't put on a lot of miles and the 
miles I do ride are pretty much optimal road conditions (ie, very clean).  

Also, of the four pairs of Schwalbe tires I've owned, three had a tire with 
a wobble in it, which drives me absolutely nuts, so I'm very leery of ever 
buying a Schwalbe tire.  

I probably will eventually buy the Rene Hearse Antelope Hill or Snoqualmie 
Pass tires, just to satisfy my curiosity.  I do worry about durability and 
flat protection, even on the new Endurance models.





On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 10:34:04 PM UTC-5, LeRoy wrote:
>
>
> ·  The Maxxis Torch 29x2.1 looks interesting, and is a good bit wider 
> – yet lighter – than Big Apples, but I haven’t seen many reviews
>
> ·  The Kenda tires that come standard on the Clem seem to be held in 
> low regard
>
>
>
> The question is, what tire make and model would you recommend for my 
> combination of priorities and riding conditions? Or, should I just order 
> another set of Big  Apples and call it a day? Thanks for any insights and 
> the patience of the reader.
>
>
> LeRoy
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Early Riv Serial numbers?

[Chris L]

If all Riv's use that number format, I may have the 15th Hunqapillar!  
 It's one of the few with orange panels/head tube.



On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:38:59 AM UTC-6, John Bennett wrote:
>
> Yep. AT0051 means the 51st Atlantis. 
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rock n' Road Tires on a Sam Hillborne

[Chris L]

Love the flat black paint/powder job!  I want that for my Hunqapillar.



On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-5, j.schwartz wrote:
>
> I had them on my 1st generation Hillborne which has less clearance than 
> yours.and ran them with SKS fenders 
> These are old pics from 2014.
> I still have the tires on my SimpleOne.  They are great.  maybe not as 
> supple as RH but plenty for anyone and quite light.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 6:03:15 PM UTC-4, greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>> Tim, thanks for the input!, did you chance ride the Rock n' Roads 
>> tubeless? According to the existing page, tubeless is recommended, but, 
>> legally not sanctioned.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 5:45:44 PM UTC-4, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>>>
>>> I had them in my Sam for a while. They where great, I only changed them 
>>> because I impulsively swap tires. I could not fit fenders with them, btw.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Chris L]

Nice bike!

How would you compare the ride of your Atlantis to the ride of the 
Hunqapillar? 

 

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 7:44:17 PM UTC-5, Ian Dickson wrote:
>
> I'm a state public health worker, and today was my first day off in a long 
> time. I've wanted an Atlantis since there were Atlantises, and this 56cm 
> MIT frame was just sitting in its box waiting for me to get a few free 
> hours. Kind of slapped it together hastily today and took it for a ride. 
> It's a perfect bike. Really great to ride. Might wind up putting drops on 
> it.
>
>
>
>
> [image: atlantis1.jpg][image: atlantis2.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you ride alone?

[Chris L]

A co-worker showed me his wireless, bone conduction earphones, which loop 
around the outside of each ear and the back of the neck.  You can hear 
everything that is going on around you thru your ears while at the same 
time, hearing music thru bone conduction.  

My first thought was that I need a set of these for bike rides. 

I don't know what brand he has but this is an example of how they are worn:

[image: 91rbpdruxql._sl1500_-e1583523428794.jpg]





On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 4:53:30 PM UTC-5, aeroperf wrote:
>
>  
> I used to have my phone in my rear pocket and use wireless headphones.  
> But I found I really liked listening to what was going on around me rather 
> than music, so the phone went into the bike bag for emergencies.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

[Chris L]

I'll take it further and add that possibly following the Gus/Susie model of 
two versions for heavier/lighter folks might be a winner.  

Look at how fast old Hunqapillars usually sell on the used market.  

>From comments here and on social media, it's clear that many people are 
turned off by the super-long chainstays and I've been hearing people pining 
for closer to level top tubes on Rivendells since I discovered RBW in 
2011.  

Two versions of this bike as a production model with Gus/Atlantis/Appaloosa 
prices would be awesome.
  



On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 9:18:49 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> If they made it available in enough sizes with minimal or no substitutions 
> as a special order, it might keep their semi-custom queue filled. 
>
> Not trying to micro manage their affairs but it does seem to fill a niche 
> not currently offered. 
>
> Ray 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New (to me) bike day -- 57cm A. Homer Hilsen

[Chris L]

If my Hunqapillar turns out to be my forever bike, I want to get it 
painted/coated black with no decals.  I would probably leave the head 
badge, though.  



On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 8:00:55 PM UTC-5, Eric G@rs wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_1036.jpg]
> Last year I bought a new Sam Hillborne from Analog that I've been using 
> mostly as a daily commuter. The Sam fits great, but frankly, it is just too 
> pretty. I worry about it getting scratched on the Caltrain and about theft 
> as I park it on a college campus. So, I decided that I would feel better 
> about getting a used frame and having it powder coated to make it a little 
> less flashy and a little more durable. I put out a WTB on the list for a 
> 57cm Homer back in November and was fortunate to find one that I believe to 
> be an early Toyo model given the serial number (AH0024) and the fact that 
> it can accommodate three bottle cage mounts. The decals were nearly peeled 
> off, but the frame was in great shape. Thanks to the Coronavirus, I've had 
> plenty of free time to build it up. The majority of the parts were ported 
> over from the Sam (which is now for sale) except for the brakes, brake 
> levers, and handlebars. I've been wanting to try Albastache bars for a 
> while, but was a little concerned about how they would feel after only 
> using drop bars for the past 15 years. The transition from drops was easy, 
> though, and I really appreciate the ability to have a more upright option 
> while still maintaining road levers in the more forward position. If anyone 
> is considering them, I would strongly recommend it. Anyhow, the Homer fits 
> great and is a joy to ride. The monotone low gloss black powder coat is not 
> nearly as pretty as the black and cream paint on the Sam, and I prefer it 
> that way. More discreet, more my speed. I look forward to adding many more 
> miles to the life of this frame. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

[Chris L]

That is awesome.  My new favorite Rivendell!

Congrats!!



On Sunday, March 8, 2020 at 8:32:24 PM UTC-5, Michael / SF wrote:
>
> Getting everything dialed in. Soon I'll finish up with a front rack, 
> basket, and dynamo lighting. It is "really, *really* - *really* - good" 
> so far!
>
> Michael
> SF / CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 5:19:49 PM UTC-8, Michael / SF wrote:
>>
>> Buyer checking in! Yes, the plan is to add more chips to the frame but 
>> ultimately cake it all in dirt. Will is a friend, and I told him I’ll think 
>> of him every time I see the paint chip. We laughed about it.
>>
>> I asked Grant to compare the design to any Rivendell, past or present. He 
>> chose the Hunqapillar, except with a level-ish top tube and lighter tubing. 
>> He told me he spent tons of time and energy designing the frame, poring 
>> over all the details and repeatedly, with an ear-to-ear grin, paused to 
>> remind me that "this is a really, *really* - *really* - good frame.”
>>
>> He went on to praise Mark Nobilette and Joe Bell for being masters of 
>> their craft, and hinted at the “small run” MUSA frames coming later this 
>> year (sorry, didn’t get specifics). I could tell he is excited that Riv can 
>> generate hopefully-lucrative business for small custom shops like Nobilette 
>> and Bell, who he believes deserve to rake in the big bucks, but don’t. Not 
>> even close.
>>
>> Assorted things:
>>
>>- Yes, this was “Vaughn’s out of spec custom”, but it deserves to be 
>>called “The Flyweight Hillibike Custom.”
>>- This is exactly how I’d spec a Riv custom. In other words, “please 
>>mix the Susie/Wolbis - a hillibike for lightweights like me - with a 
>>Hunqapillar. Keep classic Riv details like shorter chainstays, fancy 
>> custom 
>>lugs, level-ish top tube, and soothing green paint. Design for Bullmoose 
>> or 
>>Albatross bars, cantis, and tire clearance up to 2.35. Plan for mountain 
>>biking and camping overnighters. Use the lightest tubing you feel 
>>comfortable with, but I can’t promise I won’t load it up.”
>>- No, I wouldn’t spec the fancy dyno dropout tabs, nor would I spec 
>>the triple bottle cage mount. In reality, all this amounts to is a single 
>>extra bottle mount. I’ll make use of it one day!
>>- I measure 1 PBH less than Vaughn and weigh a couple pounds more. 
>>All angles and measurements jived.
>>- My beloved 48cm/26” Hunq is slightly small for me. I’ve considered 
>>commissioning a MUSA 51cm/650b Hunq, but Rivendell won’t tweak stock 
>> frame 
>>tubing without entering $4000 custom territory. Alas, nothing happened 
>>until this custom popped up out of nowhere. Perfect!
>>   - From the website: “*A custom takes your weight and riding style 
>>   into consideration, but a stock frame comes in one tube weight 
>> only---which 
>>   is just fine if you're in the normal weight range (for normal people, 
>> not 
>>   for pro- cyclers). If you're super stout for your height, maybe you DO 
>> need 
>>   a custom. If you're really light for your height, there again, we can 
>> build 
>>   your custom with tubes lighter than those we'd put on the equivalent 
>> A. 
>>   Homer Hilsen, Atlantis, or whatever.*”
>>- Yes, the frame was expensive, but Rivendell is a local business I 
>>love to support, especially in this wild chapter in San Francisco Bay 
>> Area 
>>history. My tax return really helped out and, again, they sold the frame 
>> at 
>>cost.
>>- You’ll be pleased to hear that Joe Bell provided touch up paint for 
>>the frame.
>>
>>
>> Grant was visibly jazzed about the frame, so much so that I jokingly made 
>> him say goodbye to it before leaving the warehouse, but I promised I'd 
>> bring it back next time I ride Shell Ridge.
>>
>> Note that multiple people on this thread, many of my cycling friends, me, 
>> and at least one past Rivendell employee all want to ride a frame exactly 
>> like The Flyweight Hillibike Custom. The demand is out there. With that 
>> said, no regrets - I’m happy with the purchase.
>>
>> I’ll post build photos when I get ‘em. Cheers!
>>
>> Michael
>> SF / CA
>>
>> On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 3:08:40 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope the buyer rode it in the dirt and put a couple more scratches on 
>>> it and thinks we're a bunch of idiots who need to get off the internet! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

[Chris L]

Can't wait to see this built up!

If I did a custom Rivendell, it would be similar.  Stripped down, stout 
frameset with a long top tube.  The major differences would be cantilever 
studs and much shorter chainstays.  



On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 1:25:03 PM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>
> My custom arrived last Wednesday.
>
> I have been slowly assembling it, but first I weighed it and the coated 
> the inside of the tubes with Boeshield.
>
> Not only did I want a custom, I need a custom. I am 6' tall with an 83 PBH 
> and weigh 280 lbs. No more extra long stems and setback seat posts on this 
> one.
>
> The seat tube is 53 C-to-top, the effective top tube is 60 C-to-C as best 
> I can measure. All of the frame tubes are 31.8 OD. The chains stays are 55. 
> I specified no provisions for fenders or racks and there are none - no 
> dropout eyelets, no fork or stay fittings, no mounting holes in the chain 
> stay or seat stay bridges. There are Rene Herse centerpull brake braze-ons.
>
> The frame (bare except for seat binder bolt and rear brake adjuster in the 
> seat stay mounted cable stop) weighs 5 lb. 13 oz. and the fork weighs 29.2 
> oz. for a total weight of 7 lb. 10 oz. The IRD bottom roller bearing 
> headset weighs 4.2 oz. for an assembled frame and fork of 7 lb. 10 oz. This 
> is less than 1 lb. heavier than my 56 cm 1971 Gitane Tour de France - a 
> classic Reynolds 531 racing bike.
>
> One surprise was the 30.0 seat post - not an easy item to find in silver 
> and I really don't want to use an adapter long term. I found an NOS 
> Campagnolo Icarus 30.0 seat post from the early 90s in silver. Just have to 
> wait for it to get here from Italy.
>
> I need get to work on building the wheels - 650B.
>
> [image: IMG_0558.jpg]
>
> Derailleurs are Campagnolo Athena 11s because they are silver, the front 
> derailleur has an integral clamp that fits the seat tube with no spacer and 
> NOS units were very available at very reasonable prices. Crank is a Rene 
> Herse 11 speed, 26-42 and the rear cassette will be a 12-28 Dura Ace 11 sp. 
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

Nice!

I always really enjoy seeing Riv's with regular flat bars, instead of the 
pullbacks that most have.  



On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 8:58:52 AM UTC-6, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> Well, naturally I can’t resist a chance to post Ol’ Blue. Newly shod with 
> Cliffhangers and Thunder Burts these days and still riding more like a 
> sloop than a schooner. 
>
> Reid in Austin

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[RBW] Re: Drop bar on MIT Atlantis?

[Chris L]

Unless you are going for a super upright riding position, I don't see why 
the bullmoose wouldn't work on your Atlantis.  The Whatbar? site shows the 
grip portion of the bullmoose coming further back than the the center of 
the head tube.  I've ridden a bike with a 60cm ETT (10 less than the 
Atlantis) and my normal MTB bars are well forward of the head tube.  If 
anything, I would worry about the bullmoose being too close to me.  



On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1:52:00 PM UTC-6, Steve Cole wrote:
>
>
> When I ordered my MIT Atlantis (a 55cm, 700c), I also wanted a slightly 
> swept back bar.  I spec'd the Nitto Bullmoose but was told by James Johnson 
> at Analog Cycles (which is building the bike for me) that the Bullmoose 
> would not work for what I wanted because of the long reach of the MIT 
> Atlantis.  He recommended a shorter stem (80mm) and either a Nitto Wavie or 
> Velo Orange Curvy handlebar.  These are similar in most respects and I've 
> ended up with the Curvy.  I'll be riding it in a few weeks and can let you 
> know my experience.
>
>  Albastache?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Updating an old bike (sound familiar?)

[Chris L]

Mike Varley is sort of like Grant for me.  I enjoy reading almost anything 
he writes.



On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 11:59:33 AM UTC-6, S wrote:
>
> Yes. Reminds me of this post:
>
> https://blackmtncycles.com/get-the-most-out-of-your-canti-brake/
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 4:50:55 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>   
>>For a bike frame like that it's best used with what's called a low 
>> profile cantilever, like a Sun Tour XC Pro and/or Dia Compe 988 lookalike. 
>> I had a custom "sport/touring" long wheelbase frame built in '99 and 
>> specified cantilevers. It has the similar narrow-er canti post spacing than 
>> frames built for wider tires like mtb's. With an Origin8 front cable stop 
>> it's the best braking bike I've ever had, it's really great. 
>>
>>   
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

Grant has stated that Paul Price gave them permission to copy his brake 
release design and those on the Appaloosa seem to have the regular release 
that most or all Shimano V brakes have.   

I am looking forward to RBW's new brakes.  If they come in black, I might 
be sorely tempted. 




On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:48:43 PM UTC-6, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> The bike does look great!
>
> First “XT” dyno hub I’ve seen, too.
>
> What are those V-brakes? The parts listing simply says “Shimano” though 
> there is no badging and the shoes seem to bolt into a trough.
> Similar to TRP CX brakes but the noodle stop is different.
> Perhaps the Mystery Rivendell v-brakes?
>
> David Lipsky 
> Berkeley
>
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 9:46:13 AM UTC-8, Jed Sachen wrote:
>>
>> There are photos of an orange Appa built up here: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/49550764836/in/photostream/
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom, not a custom

[Chris L]

I can't believe that's a 61cm model!   The 650B wheels make the proportions 
very similar to a 56cm frame with 26" wheels.  



On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:39:48 PM UTC-6, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:25:39 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Someone on this list modified his original-issue Atlantis for discs and 
>> was very happy with it. I forget who, but he sent me a photo -- best of 
>> both worlds (for off road, at any rate), IMO; and a very nice bike.
>>
>
> I think it's this dude's bike 
>  (more 
> pics here ). According to the article, 
> the bike was a rather extensive crash rebuild, and needed a new fork. Heck, 
> it was even converted to 650B from 700C. This isn't a "sacrificial 
> Atlantis" but a resurrection. Even though Grant swore he won't make 
> disc-braked bikes, he probably wouldn't be dismayed at this particular 
> example, since the bike is enjoyed as intended, with beausage all around, 
> and outfitted with parts Riv staff will find familiar.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Chris L]

I follow R in Seattle almost as close as I follow RBW and tend to agree 
with their philosophy that there is no reason for a bike to have toe 
overlap.  They tend to design around wheel sizes that eliminate toe overlap 
and they also go the "more fork rake/less head angle" route to eliminate 
toe overlap.  They developed their own aluminum fork with 55mm of rake (vs 
the common 45mm fork) but they also build custom forks, as needed.

I think it's cool that Grant redesigned my size Atlantis with 700c wheels 
and a long top tube with more fork rake and less head angle.  I bet that 
has tons of toe clearance, even with the fattest tires that will fit.  

I'm fortunate that I ride flat bars exclusively and my proportions require 
a bike with a longer top tube so I can run huge tires on my Hunqapillar 
(much more conservative in front-end dimensions than the new Atlantis) with 
no toe overlap.   My grail bike is pretty much the old 26" 56cm Atlantis 
but I know from experience that a 57cm ETT just won't work for me.

 

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:55:41 AM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Fair enough Patrick, I have had bikes with varying amounts and I should 
> have been clearer that I think some toe overlap is OK for me (ie my 51 Sam 
> has some when I run fenders) and I've also never had an accident due to it 
> (also rode fixed a good while on a bike with a fair bit of overlap) but I 
> do find it an annoyance that I'd really prefer to remove from my riding 
> experience - particularly on a bike I load up
>

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[RBW] Re: In your opinion, what's missing from the Riv lineup?

[Chris L]

I don't know if there is any demand, but I would love to see a mid-size 
(mid to upper 50's in size) bike with moderate chainstay length, 26" wheels 
and a long ETT length.  Like an Original 56cm Atlantis stretched 3 to 5 cm 
on the front-end and maybe a little in the back. 

Probably only missing from RBW's lineup in regards to my personal 
preferences.  

 

On Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 12:40:23 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Pardon the idle-mind pondering, I am home sick today and becoming bored, 
> which has me daydreaming about a collaboration I've been trying to ignite 
> between Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to bring back the Rambler as a MIT, 
> tig-welded all-rounder that could hit that $900 - $1050 range price point 
> based on other TIG Riv's.  
>
> To me, there is a big hole in the lineup where a TIG frameset in the Homer 
> / Hillborne range of sportiness belongs; something much like the OAC 
> Rambler was (which had long stays for a non-Riv, too). I also believe this 
> would be a strong seller, competing more directly with Crust, Surly, etc. 
> 650B / 700c depending on size, clearance for 48's, mid-weight tubing, works 
> with drops or swept bars. 
>
> I imagine this kind of bike, but with modern Riv twists, is coming up soon 
> - hopefully!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Rosco Bubbe double TT frameset

[Chris L]

This was my favorite of the Rosco's and it's like Grant personalized the 
fit just for me.  Alas, I just bought a Hunqapillar and no new bikes are in 
my near future. 



On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-6, Paul M wrote:
>
> Hello, For sale is my Rivendell Rosco Bubbe v.5 frameset that is in good 
> condition with no dents, dings or rust. It does have some  light scratches 
> and scrapes from being used as a town bike but overall looks great. There 
> is paint missing where the rear wheel was positioned in the horizontal 
> dropouts. Rides comfortably and tracks straight with semi-long chainstays 
> (49cm). I rode it with Bruce Gordon rocknroad 43c tires with realistic 
> clearance. Quickbeam fork. Original listing said this size was for 84 
> -88.5cm PBH. Frame/fork/headset/seatpost included. Email me for more 
> photos. Sorry no head badge. $425 plus shipping. Thanks
>
> ST 56cm c-t, 52cm c-c
> TT 60cm c-c effective, 58cm actual
> CS 48-49cm horizontal
> HT 190mm
> HT angle 72.5
> ST angle 72
> only 11 made
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

I forgot to add that the Appaloosa is probably a stouter bike, based on the 
tubing specs Will gave me and what little I've found on the Hunqapillar's 
tube specs.  I'm a really heavy guy so that might result in a noticeable 
difference.


On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 10:43:20 AM UTC-6, Chris L wrote:
>
> I would really like to ride a 1st generation 55cm Appaloosa back-to-back 
> with my 54 Hunqapillar.  The front-ends and BB drop are virtually 
> identical, so the only real difference would be chainstay length.  
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 9:43:26 AM UTC-6, Mark C wrote:
>>
>>
>> I really would like to try one of Grant's long wheelbase designs and like 
>> the looks of the Appaloosa but I just go around in circles deciding. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

I would really like to ride a 1st generation 55cm Appaloosa back-to-back 
with my 54 Hunqapillar.  The front-ends and BB drop are virtually 
identical, so the only real difference would be chainstay length.  





On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 9:43:26 AM UTC-6, Mark C wrote:
>
>
> I really would like to try one of Grant's long wheelbase designs and like 
> the looks of the Appaloosa but I just go around in circles deciding. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Bike Friday NWT to replicate 54 cm Hunqapillar

[Chris L]

RBW sometimes gets the top tube length wrong on their geometry charts 
(often using actual length instead of effective) and such is the case with 
the 54 Hunqapillar.  

Years ago, I found this schematic somewhere online and it shows both actual 
and theoretical top tube lengths.  I have also rendered the 54 Hunqapillar 
into BikeCad and the front-center matches RBW's chart when using a 599.3 cm 
ETT instead of the 584 cm listed. 


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[RBW] Re: Geo Question

[Chris L]

A very basic understanding of Stack and Reach has been very helpful for 
me.  I know a bike with a Reach in the 300's will be too short for me and 
that a stack of about 600 is the minimum for my preferred bar height.



On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 5:20:36 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Very much agree that stack and reach should be the most prominent geometry 
> numbers on any geo chart - but unfortunately, not too many people have a 
> feel for them, myself included to be honest! 
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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Chris L]

Is there a photo out there of this bike with albatross bars and a Sugino 
wide-low crankset?  The bike is leaning against a corner.  The size and 
color look the same but this was before I discovered RBW so maybe that was 
a common color.  The albatross photo was one of the first to spark my 
fascination with Rivendell bikes. 



On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 5:43:33 PM UTC-6, James Valiensi wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_1316.jpeg]
>
> My 17-year old Custom Rivendell Road Bike. Only original parts on it are 
> the fenders, which I recently reinstalled after 15-years off. 
>
> I love the Rene Herse crankset. It was the 1st time, in a long time that I 
> got to use my Campagnolo peanut butter wrench!
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gotta Hunqapillar question

[Chris L]

Eric, you are probably correct that we have the same brochures.  There 
weren't many published that I know about and I think I have maybe four or 
five, including the final "sales" brochure.

I've compared the geometry of the 55 Appaloosa and my 54 Hunqapillar and 
the only thing that would affect the ride difference, geometry-wise, is the 
longer chainstays on the Appaloosa (52.5 cm vs 46 cm on my size 54 Hunq).  
 Also, I think the Appaloosa may have quite a bit stouter tubes than the 
Hunqapillar.  The Hunqapillar was a budget version of the Bombadil, which I 
believe had some .8 main tubes, so I'm guessing the Hunqapillar is similar, 
but I've never seen actual numbers.  Will gave me the tube thicknesses of 
the Appaloosa and it's STOUT.  I don't remember the exact numbers but there 
were some 1.2's in the main tubes.  




On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 10:40:56 PM UTC-6, Eric Grim wrote:
>
> Nice pics, Deacon Patrick.  Some of those brochures you have, Chris L, 
> might be the ones I have.  Mine aren't dated tho, and so I wasn't sure 
> which was the final iteration of the prototypes.  Neat bike.  Joe, I had no 
> idea it was in production so long.  I think I missed it because I had some 
> spine issues that were only resolved with a fusion procedure a couple of 
> years ago.  As my functionality has returned I've gotten back into 
> bicycling, and bought my first Riv earlier this year (a NOS 2017 
> Appaloosa).  Anyway thanks everyone for the info.  Eric, Spokane
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 8:15 PM Chris L > 
> wrote:
>
>> I have several of the old Hunqapillar brochures saved on my computer and 
>> the one where Grant states they have received the first frames shows a 
>> diagatube bike, so I'm guessing the parallel tubes were only on some 
>> prototypes. 
>>
>> The (old model) 54 Hunqapillar is the largest with a single top tube.  
>> The brief 2nd model of Hunqapillar had different sizes but I know the 56cm 
>> had a single top tube.  I'm guessing the next size up would have a 
>> diagatube.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 9:16:35 PM UTC-6, Eric Grim wrote:
>>>
>>> I was looking thru some old files at the Hunqapillar fliers/Reader 
>>> excerpts.  Some illustrations show a double top tube in the larger sizes, 
>>> like the one on (for example) the Joe Appaloosa.  One, hiowever, shows an 
>>> unpainted frame with a diagonal tube between the top and down tubes.  I've 
>>> never seen one in the flesh, or even many pics.  Did the "diagatube" 
>>> (Grant's word) make it to production, and if it did, on what sizes?  Was 
>>> the Hunqapillar a short-lived model?  How do you pronounce "Hunqapillar", 
>>> anyway?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Eric Grim (Spokane)
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Gotta Hunqapillar question

[Chris L]

I have several of the old Hunqapillar brochures saved on my computer and 
the one where Grant states they have received the first frames shows a 
diagatube bike, so I'm guessing the parallel tubes were only on some 
prototypes. 

The (old model) 54 Hunqapillar is the largest with a single top tube.  The 
brief 2nd model of Hunqapillar had different sizes but I know the 56cm had 
a single top tube.  I'm guessing the next size up would have a diagatube.  



On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 9:16:35 PM UTC-6, Eric Grim wrote:
>
> I was looking thru some old files at the Hunqapillar fliers/Reader 
> excerpts.  Some illustrations show a double top tube in the larger sizes, 
> like the one on (for example) the Joe Appaloosa.  One, hiowever, shows an 
> unpainted frame with a diagonal tube between the top and down tubes.  I've 
> never seen one in the flesh, or even many pics.  Did the "diagatube" 
> (Grant's word) make it to production, and if it did, on what sizes?  Was 
> the Hunqapillar a short-lived model?  How do you pronounce "Hunqapillar", 
> anyway?
>
> Thanks, Eric Grim (Spokane)
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Chris L]

The file name is "charlie_for_blahg".



On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 6:27:35 PM UTC-6, Paul M wrote:
>
> Grant's blog (blahg) early November No. 30 starts off with a partial 
> schematic of a frame design that isn't labeled but looks like part 
> Roadini/Clem/Suzie Longbolt. The top tube attaches higher up on the seat 
> tube than the Suzie and the wheels show 700c x 2.0. With the lack of being 
> able to view the brakes it could be intended for long reach Tektro caliper 
> brakes! A mixed-use lower priced compete. Sounds like Charlie H. Gallop.  
>
> On Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:38:04 UTC-7, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>> Unless designed around some leftover Appaloosa... or Sam forks!  I’m of 
>> course joking, but you never know... 
>>
>> Come to think of it, wasn’t Roman’s Med Rosco Mtn Mixte 650b but with an 
>> Appaloosa crown?  I know Will’s Huge version was a Hunq fork but wonder if 
>> that Med was a one-off fork?  Sorry, Not trying to derail the topic and the 
>> brain’s a little fuzzy after a long few days/weeks/months. 
>>
>> Either way, very curious to see how Charlie turns out.
>
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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[Chris L]

Making one's political leanings known is no big deal (although I also 
prefer all of my hobbies to remain free of politics) but routinely calling 
half the country (and half of your potential customers) racist, insinuating 
that black people can't leave their homes for fear of being lynched by 
white supremacists or saying that a young black woman has likely never had 
a positive experience with a middle aged white guy, as Grant routinely 
does, cannot be a positive thing in promoting one's business.And then 
Grant doesn't understand why RBW is not getting many orders.  People do 
make purchasing decisions based on politics.  Like it or not.  

I have a ton of respect for Grant and the way he runs his business and 
treats his employees.  I also enjoy reading most of the non-bike stuff he 
writes about and of course, I love the bikes but some of the things he says 
in the political realm literally make him look nuts to much of the rest of 
the country.   Pam Karlan day?  REALLY?   







On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "Why buy from a liberal if you're conservative?"
>
> Why be friends with a conservative if I'm liberal? Same answer as the one 
> above: Life is better this way. I have close friends who don't agree with 
> me politically AT ALL and it would be insane for me to consider this as a 
> debit against them, that's simply not on the table. 
>
> I may not buy a product from a company waving Trump in my face on the Home 
> page - he's a lunatic fake conservative who's scamming his supporters, in 
> my opinion - but I wouldn't base all my purchase decisions on the general 
> political ideology of the people selling them. That's not healthy. 
>
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[RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Chris L]

I look forward to seeing your new Atlantis!

 



On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 9:53:36 AM UTC-6, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I too was interested in the new MIT Atlantis, especially the 55 cm.  While 
> I originally thought the 59 cm would be the appropriate size (I love my 59 
> cm AHH), the change in geometry for the MIT Atlantis has led me to conclude 
> that the 55 cm is the better fit.  In addition, I am more interested in a 
> 700c than the 650b.  That said, I inquired about the geometry of the 55 cm 
> MIT Atlantis with Riv and got this information in response:
>
> top tube slope: 6 degrees
>
> rear spacing; 135mm
>
> seat tube angle: 72 degrees
>
> head tube angle: 70 degree
>
> effective top tube: 61cm
>
> chainstay; 53.5cm
>
> max tire: 2.25"
>
> single top tube
>
>
> After looking at these specs, they seemed a little inconsistent with the 
> other, original MIT Atlantis specs and asked about this.  Grant wrote me to 
> say: "We change, refine, improve as we go. I don't like to show 
> geometries...for this reason. :)".
>
>
> I have a 55 cm on order that will be built up soon after it arrives.  I'll 
> post about it when I get it.
>
>
> Steve Cole
>
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-5, Chris L wrote:
>>
>> I was just looking at the Gus geometry charts and noticed all of the 
>> bikes are updated with 2019 charts.  The biggest changes I noticed were in 
>> the bikes I might be interested in purchasing, the Atlantis and the 
>> Appaloosa, and the sizes have changed on both.  I would have ridden a 56 
>> Atlantis and a 55 Appaloosa and now I'm guessing I would ride a 55 Atlantis 
>> and a 54 Appaloosa, although no S.O. heights are listed on those two.  
>>
>> The 55cm Atlantis is now a 700c bike with a much longer top-tube and 
>> slacker head angle/longer rake.  Sounds interesting and I can't wait to see 
>> one.
>>
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