Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Rusty Click]

Forgot to mention Leah,  way better than the RAGBRAI documentary are the 
videos posted by Ryan Van Duzer.  He captures what its really like on the 
ride...the people, the towns, the entertainment, etc.   Look for him on 
you-toob

Sláinte,
Rusty Click
Pgh, PA


On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:57:43 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:

> Be careful Leah,  RAGBRAI was on my bucket list and I finally rode it in 
> 2015 at age 58.  It was supposed to be a "one and done" for me, but I've 
> now crossed Iowa every year since except 2020 (which I rode virtually) and 
> even convinced my daughter to join me in '21.  She rode again with me last 
> year for the 50th anniversary ride so I think she liked the vibe!  That 
> being said, last year was the most difficult for me due to the wind, heat, 
> humidity and the hills.  Usually expected some of the above but all day, 
> every day was tough.  I am going to skip this year and spend my money 
> riding the Katy Trail across MO with my daughter Katy who will be 30.   I 
> can not pass up that kind of time spent riding with her...now, if I can 
> only get my son to join in before I can't do it anymore!
>
> I have ridden my Sam Hillborne(60) most years, and my Waterford 
> Atlantis(62) the others.  I had the good fortune to meet Julian on his 
> Atlantis too!  Others have had good advice about the charters and I 
> personally think the tent service some offer is worth every penny.   
> Brancel and Pork Belly Ventures have great camp setups, but my favorite 
> years were the ones where I joined a team supported by their own 
> vans/busses that coordinated with volunteers in each town that would put us 
> up at their houses.  We had to set up our own tents but usually had the use 
> of showers and water.  Most even supplied dinner and cocktails in the 
> evening.
>
> About riding from Omaha to the start...the route changes every year so the 
> start town is usually quite a ways (by bike) from the Omaha Arpt.   I drive 
> from Pittsburgh PA to the end town and park the car, then I board a shuttle 
> to take me to the start town and ride back to the car.
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 7:43:33 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, George, you are pretty crotchety but I’m used to you now. At least 
>> you sent me a good link. I know about that group but have not joined them 
>> because one of their tenets is self-reliability. It is “paramount” they 
>> say. I am hardly that.
>>
>> The experiences here are very interesting to read. I think I’m in good 
>> physical shape to do the ride but the heat and humidity mentioned here make 
>> me less excited to try it. That kind of weather wears on a rider after one 
>> day, let alone seven. Steven mentioned lifting, which I do, daily, so ✅ . I 
>> think I could get the hang of camping if I had to (I’d have to). Logistics 
>> remain problematic. I like the idea of riding from Omaha to the start but 
>> it is over one hundred miles and I wouldn’t really want to do that alone… 
>> I’ll look up the Pork Belly charter, too. Thanks, everyone!
>>
>> I’ll keep reading about it.
>>
>> It is really fun to read the experiences of past attendees, so keep those 
>> coming and send some photos, if you would! Because, meanwhile in Michigan: 
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 8:31 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Joe - I get your point. I rode in a couple of Hotter'n Hell rides in 
>> North Texas back in '95 and '96 just "for the hell of it" so to speak.  But 
>> that was when I was living in the DFW area at the time so it was less than 
>> a 100 mile drive to Wichita Falls.  I'm older and more crusty now some 30 
>> years later and look back at these kinds of things through a different 
>> lens. So I shut my mouth for now. To each his own. Best regards Ralph.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 7:19:12 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure why we would question why someone would want to do a well 
>>> known ride after seeing a film about it. She wants to do it because it's 
>>> interesting to her. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:02:11 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not sure why you'd want to go through the trouble to travel all the way 
>>>> over to the Western end of Iowa for this ride particular ride given the 
>>>> distance to get there, the logistics, accommodation issues and the sheer 
>>>> mass of riders (some of whom seem to like to stop at every bar along a 
>>>> portion of a daily route until th

Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Rusty Click]

Be careful Leah,  RAGBRAI was on my bucket list and I finally rode it in 
2015 at age 58.  It was supposed to be a "one and done" for me, but I've 
now crossed Iowa every year since except 2020 (which I rode virtually) and 
even convinced my daughter to join me in '21.  She rode again with me last 
year for the 50th anniversary ride so I think she liked the vibe!  That 
being said, last year was the most difficult for me due to the wind, heat, 
humidity and the hills.  Usually expected some of the above but all day, 
every day was tough.  I am going to skip this year and spend my money 
riding the Katy Trail across MO with my daughter Katy who will be 30.   I 
can not pass up that kind of time spent riding with her...now, if I can 
only get my son to join in before I can't do it anymore!

I have ridden my Sam Hillborne(60) most years, and my Waterford 
Atlantis(62) the others.  I had the good fortune to meet Julian on his 
Atlantis too!  Others have had good advice about the charters and I 
personally think the tent service some offer is worth every penny.   
Brancel and Pork Belly Ventures have great camp setups, but my favorite 
years were the ones where I joined a team supported by their own 
vans/busses that coordinated with volunteers in each town that would put us 
up at their houses.  We had to set up our own tents but usually had the use 
of showers and water.  Most even supplied dinner and cocktails in the 
evening.

About riding from Omaha to the start...the route changes every year so the 
start town is usually quite a ways (by bike) from the Omaha Arpt.   I drive 
from Pittsburgh PA to the end town and park the car, then I board a shuttle 
to take me to the start town and ride back to the car.

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 7:43:33 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yeah, George, you are pretty crotchety but I’m used to you now. At least 
> you sent me a good link. I know about that group but have not joined them 
> because one of their tenets is self-reliability. It is “paramount” they 
> say. I am hardly that.
>
> The experiences here are very interesting to read. I think I’m in good 
> physical shape to do the ride but the heat and humidity mentioned here make 
> me less excited to try it. That kind of weather wears on a rider after one 
> day, let alone seven. Steven mentioned lifting, which I do, daily, so ✅ . I 
> think I could get the hang of camping if I had to (I’d have to). Logistics 
> remain problematic. I like the idea of riding from Omaha to the start but 
> it is over one hundred miles and I wouldn’t really want to do that alone… 
> I’ll look up the Pork Belly charter, too. Thanks, everyone!
>
> I’ll keep reading about it.
>
> It is really fun to read the experiences of past attendees, so keep those 
> coming and send some photos, if you would! Because, meanwhile in Michigan: 
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> On Jan 15, 2024, at 8:31 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Joe - I get your point. I rode in a couple of Hotter'n Hell rides in 
> North Texas back in '95 and '96 just "for the hell of it" so to speak.  But 
> that was when I was living in the DFW area at the time so it was less than 
> a 100 mile drive to Wichita Falls.  I'm older and more crusty now some 30 
> years later and look back at these kinds of things through a different 
> lens. So I shut my mouth for now. To each his own. Best regards Ralph.
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 7:19:12 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure why we would question why someone would want to do a well 
>> known ride after seeing a film about it. She wants to do it because it's 
>> interesting to her. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:02:11 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure why you'd want to go through the trouble to travel all the way 
>>> over to the Western end of Iowa for this ride particular ride given the 
>>> distance to get there, the logistics, accommodation issues and the sheer 
>>> mass of riders (some of whom seem to like to stop at every bar along a 
>>> portion of a daily route until they're so inebriated that they crash into 
>>> trees, etc., vehicles that have run over cyclists in sleeping bags, etc.) 
>>> just for the notoriety when you could enjoy a multiple number of great 
>>> rides right in your own backyard, so to speak.  Have you considered 
>>> https://lmb.org/events/ride-calendar/?
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 6:47:36 PM UTC-6 R. Alexis wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I took the opportunity to ride the first day of RAGBRAI last summer. I 
 live in eastern Nebraska. I happened to be off that weekend, heard it was 
 starting that weekend and that it was the 50th anniversary of the ride. 
 Had 
 always thought of doing at least the first day, but never took the 
 opportunity to look into it and would find out the morning of when local 
 news would do reports on it. I took the opportunity. I enjoyed it, even if 

[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Rusty Click]

Nick, Great ride report and pictures!   Its been awhile since I've been on 
any of those segments...and now I want to plan a return trip!

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the 
> Atlantis and my) first century.
>
> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>
> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>
> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>
>
> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>
> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>
> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home after 
> dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>
> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>
> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
> an ecosystem living on its back:
>
> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>
> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>
> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>
> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>
> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>
> Nick A.
> Falls Church VA
>

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Re: [RBW] RAGBRAI L

[Rusty Click]

Cody, I'll keep an eye out for a silver Sam!  My Sam is a double TT green, 
solid green head tube, wearing a red handlebar bag!

Ted, I am looking forward to riding BRAG...maybe next year.

Brady and Tirebiter,  You'll have a great time and I hope to call out 
when/if I see your Rivs!

Michael,  ...when you get Iowa in the future,  You and your Bleriot will 
enjoy this "rolling block party".  Hope you make it soon!


Cheers,

Rusty in Pittsburgh

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:26:42 PM UTC-4 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ll be on my silver Sam, looking out for other Rivs.
>
> Cody in Chicago
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 6:59 PM Ted W  wrote:
>
>> I’ve yet to do RAGBAI. It’s been on my list for years but there always 
>> seem to be a reason I can’t make it happen. Hopefully, once my son is 
>> older, I’ll be able to get there. I do ride BRAG every year, though. Have 
>> always had an interesting bike to ride for the week but next year will be 
>> the first time on a Riv.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 7:38 PM Brady Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be there on my Roadini. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-6 Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>>
>>>> I plan to ride my Homer
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 2:51 PM Michael Moore, Jr.  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not this year, but I hope to bring my Bleriot in 2024 or 2025. I hear 
>>>>> great things. Have fun!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael Moore, Jr.
>>>>> Arcata, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 12:21 PM Rusty Click  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone bringing their Riv to Iowa for RAGBRAI this year??
>>>>>> Every year, I see a few and have met a few (Hello Julian), and would 
>>>>>> like to maybe meet over some "Church Lady" pie and a cold refreshment!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>> Pgh,PA
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[RBW] RAGBRAI L

[Rusty Click]

Anyone bringing their Riv to Iowa for RAGBRAI this year??
Every year, I see a few and have met a few (Hello Julian), and would like 
to maybe meet over some "Church Lady" pie and a cold refreshment!

Rusty
Pgh,PA

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[RBW] Re: SKS fender install on a Clem

[Rusty Click]

I agree that the Sheldon's nut works great...looks cleanand allows to 
easily remove and replace the fenders if you need/want to.

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 12:06:02 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Or, any bike not currently using the center brake mount hole on the fork. 
> Here I am with my new SKS fenders and all of the assorted nuts / bolts that 
> are supplied and I think something is missing. As this bike has v brakes I 
> am unable to follow the directions on the Riv site as the featured bike 
> uses center mounted brakes - there is already a nut & bolt used by the 
> brake.  I think I need recessed nuts (for the front fender at least but 
> none are supplied by SKS. Am I wrong?
> I appreciate any insight &, Happy New Year!
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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Rusty Click]

Plus one for the Spank Flare.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

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I am bone on bone in both knees after five arthroscopic procedures.   I 
think I will try another round of "knee lube" injections to get me thru 
guiding a few trips this spring, then riding RAGBRAI in July.  After that, 
I'm consulting with the doc about doing both knees at the same time.  Leah, 
do any patients get both done at once?

I'll be waiting to hear/read how recovery goes Richard.  Good Luck,

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:
>
> Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing 
> Riv stories with my nurse.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:
>
>> As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.
>>
>> No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed 
>> it.
>>
>> Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
>>> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
>>> almost time.
>>> Richard
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Your Rivendell: White Pine Trail, Grand Rapids, MI

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Looks cold!  Still sorry to have missed it.

Beautiful colors popping on the trees.


Rusty 
Pgh, PA
On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 10:25:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Looks cold! But pretty and fun!! But cold!!! 
>
> On Saturday, October 15, 2022 at 6:37:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> We had a fantastic ride today, in peak color and with awesome people. 
>> More on that later. But for now: 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:46:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I hope to see a lot of you and your lovely Rivbikes tomorrow. And if 
>>> there would just be one RivSister in the bunch I would be so happy. 
>>>
>>> But, if not, I’ll represent. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 7:00:20 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I sent you a PM…

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 14, 2022, at 6:27 PM, Conway Bennett  
 wrote:

 Is there a contact list going into tomorrow?  My number is 
 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>, and I intend to depart Chicagoland ~5 
 AM tomorrow.  See y'all tomorrow!



 On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 2:41:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> < TRAIL
>
> First, a caveat: This ride is not affiliated with Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works; we are a group of Rivendell owners who want to ride our bikes 
> together. Organizers are not liable for bodily injury or damage to your 
> bike. If you are comfortable riding at your own risk, then:
>
> Join us on the famous White Pine Trail near Grand Rapids, Michigan for 
> a ride through Michigan’s fall foliage. The date is quickly approaching; 
> here are the details so you can make plans to attend.
>
> When: October 15th, 10 am
> Where: Dwight Lydell Park in Comstock Park
> What: a 32 mile ride, round trip. Ride to Cedar Springs with lunch in 
> Rockford on our way back.
>
> If you choose to make a weekend of it, there are many National and 
> state campgrounds within an hour of the park. If weather does not 
> cooperate, this ride is rescheduled for Oct 29th. 
>
> This is our 2nd Rivendell Ride of 2022; the first was in Kalamazoo, MI 
> on the KalHaven Trail. I hope to see familiar faces and new in Grand 
> Rapids 
> on Saturday. 
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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride 10/15/22 reminder + pin order

[Rusty Click]

Due to the 6hr + drive, I was hoping to turn this into an overnight two 
ride trip.  Alas, my home calendar has stubbornly refused to clear, and I 
cannot attend.

Have Fun!  Maybe next time.

Sláinte,
Rusty Click
Pgh, PA

On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Hi Friends,
>
> Three weeks until the Rivendell Ride on the White Pine Trail near Grand 
> Rapids, Michigan. I’m re-posting the info below so that you are able to 
> make your plans. For those of you who want to attend, would you be 
> interested in having a pin made to commemorate the ride? 
>
> I am considering having an enamel pin made for the occasion. It has proven 
> more complicated than I initially thought, and a little more expensive. I 
> don’t have any artistic ability, but I gave some parameters to my teenager 
> (who knows how to use Procreate) and he gave me the attached image. It 
> would be $15 per pin, and I’d want a headcount before I place an order. 
> Please DM me if you would like to purchase a pin. I have to place an order 
> of 25 at the minimum, so I would need to know if we have enough interest to 
> go ahead with the order. 
>
> One caveat: I don’t know if the airbrushing in the image will be possible 
> on these pins. I’m still in the preliminary stages of working with a maker.
>
> 
>
> A FELLOWSHIP OF RIVENDELLS ON THE WHITE PINE TRAIL
>
> Join us on the famous White Pine Trail near Grand Rapids, Michigan for a 
> Rivendell Ride through Michigan’s fall foliage. The date is quickly 
> approaching; here are the details so you can make plans to attend.
>
> When: October 15th, 10am 
> Where: Dwight Lydell Park in Comstock Park
> What: a 32 mile ride, round trip. Ride to Cedar Springs with lunch in 
> Rockford on our way back.
>
> If you choose to make a weekend of it, there are many national and state 
> campgrounds within an hour of the park. If weather does not cooperate, this 
> ride is rescheduled for Oct 29th.
>
> This is our 2nd Rivendell Ride of 2022; the first was in Kalamazoo, MI on 
> the KalHaven Trail with 10 riders in attendance. I hope to see familiar 
> faces and new in Grand Rapids next month! 
> —-
>
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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

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I am hoping to make it this year.  I will be driving from Pittsburgh and if 
I bring my bike along, I'll look for a place a little west, and ride into 
and back from the convention center.  Would love to meet with some of the 
folks on this forum too!
Rusty

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 8:03:22 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Oct 29 and 30, downtown Philadelphia, easily accessible by car, Septa, NJ 
> Transit, Amtrak, Greyhound, etc.,  and bike!  They also have free valet 
> bike parking inside. 
>
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/  
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Re: [RBW] Sayonara Japan: A Farewell Tour

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I too, will miss your ride reports and great pictures!

Rusty

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 10:22:40 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you, Steven, very kind of you to say so. 
>
> John
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:16:40 PM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> John, I’ve enjoyed your trip reports and your pictures, Thanks, Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 12:02 AM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Sadly my time in Japan has come to an end. A brief stay filled with 
>>> beautiful rides to spectacular places.
>>>
>>> One final ride: Shikoku. An island of steep mountains, thick forests and 
>>> clear rivers. Also, the Henro- a 1200 km pilgrimage to visit 88 temples. 
>>> Walking, prayer and incense.
>>>
>>> First, the Shimanami Kaido. Six islands, seven bridges to cross the Seto 
>>> Inland Sea. A world-class bicycle path and tales of old-world pirates.
>>>
>>> On Shikoku, alone in the mountains, swerving to avoid 30cm iridescent 
>>> blue earthworms. Hydrangeas exploding on the slopes and by the sea.
>>>
>>> In a remote blacksmith's forge, I learned about traditional Japanese 
>>> steel (tamahagane), sword making and polishing, and made a kiritsuke knife. 
>>> All on a day when all the rain in Japan dropped on our tin roof.
>>>
>>> In the following days the rivers were full but clear, and my days were 
>>> spent climbing and swimming in some of the clearest water I've seen. The 
>>> mountains were cool but the air was thick; not all the water was in the 
>>> rivers.
>>>
>>> Japan is well-known for its tunnels and one 5.5 km tunnel running at a 
>>> 5% slope had me whizzing under Mt. Kanpuzan at 60km/h without a single car 
>>> in sight. 
>>>
>>> The mountains gave way to coastline and a few hours later I was back on 
>>> the Shimanami in sweltering heat as I made my way slowly towards the cool, 
>>> high-speed Shinkansen that would bring me home to my bags packed and ready 
>>> for my trip home to BC.
>>>
>>> Japan is a dream. Get there!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0128.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_0097.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_0082.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_8850.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_8933.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_8950.jpeg]
>>>
>>> GaiaGPS tracks and photos 
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Help me buy a Riv

[Rusty Click]

Graham,
I live in Pittsburgh, PA and if your travels take you anywhere near...say 
somewhere between CLE and IAD, I'd bring you my 60 Sam to ride.  I also 
have a MUSA 62 Atlantis that's set up as a tourer if you'd like to try it. 
 I use the Sam very much like you plan to do and love the ride.  I've even 
had racks on it and used it for weeklong touring (before Atlantis), and it 
held up fine even if a little out of its wheelhouse.

Rusty

On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5 Graham McCall wrote:

> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build.
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink.
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great?
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv.
>
> Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Best grocery pannier? Nice lightweight wool cycling "jacket" or full-zip mid-weight jersey?

[Rusty Click]

I've seen that Ortlieb shopper in my LBS.  Nice bag, but I make do with a 
single rear pannier as a shopper.

Rusty Click
Pgh, PA
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:33:20 AM UTC-5 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love my ortlieb bike shopper. Much better than a back roller for 
> groceries. It used to come in red. I've got one in red
>
> https://www.rei.com/product/885305/ortlieb-bike-shopper-pannier-single
>
> Pat in DC
>
> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 12:03:39 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Eric; and those come in red, too!
>>
>> I want something with a flap and something that can be adapted to an 
>> Ortlieb or Arkle-type "clamp" mounting system and be offset to the rear by 
>> about 3". I've owned at least 2 different grocery panniers of this design, 
>> and they work well on smooth unobstructed routes, but I've lost one such 
>> similar pannier when riding on a dirt road; either fell off on a bump, or 
>> perhaps was scraped off when I went through some path entry barriers. 
>> (Fortunately I had nothing particularly valuable in the pannier at the 
>> time.)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 9:22 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Forgive me if these don't check all of your boxes, I don't have that 
>>> much processing power. But check 'em out! 
>>>
>>> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FGBP
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Rusty Click]

Thanks to all,

It may be a tough sell as opposed to continued tinkering with the Treks 
setup, but maybe, just maybe I can convince her to try the Riv.

Roberta, I too, believe that the Platy will be a little heavier but with a 
lighter build, it would fit her needs nicely.  She is strictly a bike 
path/rail-trail rider and It would be "rolling weight", and a comfy ride. 
 If we are ever out your way, I would love for her to take you up on a test 
ride.  Future Riv Sister??

Joe...Originally my Sam was racked and bagged up for touring that it wasn't 
really meant for.  The Atlantis (62 MUSA) has since taken that roll, and 
the Sam is on a diet, loosing the heavy back rack, basket, and soon the 
wheelset and tires.  Then, I believe, it will be similar weight-wise to a 
Platypus build that she would ride.

Phillip...much appreciated points on weight saving choices as opposed to a 
standard Riv build.  If this quest goes forward, I'll definitely refer to 
these.  She rides with a Ortlieb handlebar bag and a small under seat bag 
for repair needs...that's it.  ( I have to carry anything else, like 
jackets and spare water bottles in a pannier)


Rusty Click
Pgh, PA




On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:57:38 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, a Platy should be on the lighter side, remember it's derived from the 
> Cheviot which was kind of a droptube Hillborne road bike with road brakes. 
> Grant changed the brakes and a couple frame details, but it still should be 
> closer to Hillborne and Homer than the touring/fire roads category covered 
> by Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
>
>
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:48:39 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I don't mind a heavy-ish bike (I do own Rivendells, after all), but it 
>> can be too heavy for me to lift onto a bike rack or over a log.  I never 
>> weighed my Platy, but I built it up with lightish parts--Brevet rims, some 
>> kind of Gravel King tires run tubeless, 1x with Garbaruk cassette (they 
>> remove unneeded metal), SKS fenders and lighter Axiom rack.  One light 
>> nylon bag.   I did spend "poundage" by installing a Brooks B68 and 
>> Greenfield kickstand.   I can lift it, but it is heavier than my more bare 
>> AHomerHilsen. 
>>
>> The *ride*, though, is light--light and breezy.  My old "lightened up" 
>> Appaloosa probably weighed about the same, and it rode great, but not the 
>> light and breezy ride of the Platy.
>>
>> If you're ever on the eastern side of the state, I'm in Philadelphia and 
>> wouldn't mind letting your wife test my 55cm Platy.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 4:43:34 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Another question...How much does the Platypus weigh?  When I see 
>>> pictures, especially of Leah's beautiful bike, it seems to be exactly what 
>>> my wife describes as the bike she wants.  When I offer to look for one to 
>>> replace the Tr*k we bought in desperation this past year, she says she 
>>> doesn't want that heavy of a bike.  She may be projecting my Atlantis and 
>>> Sam Hillborne builds onto the Platy.
>>>
>>> Rusty C.
>>> Pgh, PA
>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:58:04 AM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any suggestions with regards to putting it on a work stand? For some 
>>>> reason, it feels wobbly when I clamp the seat post, but I probably just 
>>>> need to get used to it and trust that it will be okay.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Hugo. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had a 
>>>>> stand (no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to the 
>>>>> rear 
>>>>> axle.  While that worked perfect for my shorter chain stay Homer, there 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> too much weight in front and Platy would get tipsy.  I opted for the 
>>>>> standard Greenfield single leg kickstand with the foot, so it wouldn't 
>>>>> mar 
>>>>> my floor.  Works perfectly.  <$20.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roberta
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received 
>>>>>> it in October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, 
>>>>>> however, it has made the bike unwieldy when it is in stor

[RBW] Re: Platypus Questions

[Rusty Click]

Another question...How much does the Platypus weigh?  When I see pictures, 
especially of Leah's beautiful bike, it seems to be exactly what my wife 
describes as the bike she wants.  When I offer to look for one to replace 
the Tr*k we bought in desperation this past year, she says she doesn't want 
that heavy of a bike.  She may be projecting my Atlantis and Sam Hillborne 
builds onto the Platy.

Rusty C.
Pgh, PA
On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 11:58:04 AM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Any suggestions with regards to putting it on a work stand? For some 
> reason, it feels wobbly when I clamp the seat post, but I probably just 
> need to get used to it and trust that it will be okay.
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Hi, Hugo. 
>>
>> I'm so glad you're enjoying the ride of your bike.  Me, too! I had a 
>> stand (no kick.  you'd remove it when not in use) that attached to the rear 
>> axle.  While that worked perfect for my shorter chain stay Homer, there was 
>> too much weight in front and Platy would get tipsy.  I opted for the 
>> standard Greenfield single leg kickstand with the foot, so it wouldn't mar 
>> my floor.  Works perfectly.  <$20.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-5 hugohal...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone, I have been enjoying my 60cm Platypus since I received it 
>>> in October. On rides, I have been loving the extra long top tube, however, 
>>> it has made the bike unwieldy when it is in storage, on the repair stand or 
>>> locked up. Anyone else having these issues? Anyone have any suggestions for 
>>> 1. a good kickstand, and 2. a good position on the repair stand? Thanks!
>>>
>>> As far as kickstands are concerned, I did try the single leg kick stand 
>>> that came with my Big Dummy long tail cargo bike, however, it did not work. 
>>> The Big Dummy's extra length is in the extra long chain stay whereas the 
>>> Platypus's extra length is in every part of the geometry being stretched 
>>> out. I also purchased a Pletscher twin kickstand, however it appears that 
>>> the kickstand plate on the Platypus is built only for a single kick stand. 
>>> Has anyone had any luck getting the twin on the Platypus, or should I just 
>>> shell out and get one of the recommended kickstands from Riv? If so, does 
>>> someone recommend a specific model for the Platypus?
>>>
>>> Thanks! - HH 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Iowa 2021

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Any listers planning on riding their Rivendell steeds across Iowa this year?

I'll be taking my MUSA Atlantis this year and I'll be riding with my 
daughter for her first ever RAGBRAI.  I've met Julian briefly, and missed 
Tim G a few times. 

Rusty Click
Pgh, PA

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[RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

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Welcome Josh!  Great looking bikes.
I ride around da 'Burgh on a 62 Atlantis or my 60 S. Hillborne however, 
this year has kept me mostly in the S. Hills. While I don't commute on my 
bike (retired), I love riding out to various spots to find neighborhood 
coffee shops, bakeries, see the eagles, etc.   My friends and I have done a 
few S24O's...they are a good way to see different sections of  trails.  I 
occasionally provide bike guide service for day trips and group rides with 
a local outfitter too.  There are plenty of good riding here in Pittsburgh. 
 Hopefully, we'll run into each other!

Rusty Click

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:38:54 PM UTC-4 joshuamarx wrote:

> Thanks for the welcomes!
> Roberta: bite-sized GAP rides sound like a good idea. My wife and I are 
> thinking of doing a one-night ride on the GAP this summer. I had assumed we 
> would just leave from town and try to make it to Ohiopyle, but maybe we 
> should consider driving out and starting somewhere on the trail rather than 
> spend 1/4 of our miles getting out of town (and familiar miles, at that). 
> I'm sure this group would generate some decent recommendations...
>
> Andy: I hope you heal up soon. I've noticed some of your PGH posts in the 
> past, but don't think I have come across you IRL. 
> Josh
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 5:22:24 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Welcome Josh, from another orange Rivendell rider in Pittsburgh. I 
>> usually commute year round east end to CHP but have been off all winter 
>> following some non-bike related shoulder surgery. 
>>
>> I'll contribute to finding some non-commuting rides this spring as I get 
>> back on the bike. It's bountiful and always possible to provide fun day or 
>> night around here!
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-5 joshuamarx wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>> I've been spending time on this group for years, for inspiration and 
>>> information, and for general entertainment. It's high time I join the group 
>>> properly so I can contribute every once in a while.
>>>
>>> I'm a proud owner of a 60cm 1st gen (I think) Cheviot, and a 59 cm MIT 
>>> Atlantis--one of the demo completes that Riv sold a while back. Links to 
>>> pictures are below (crossing my fingers that they come through properly). 
>>>
>>> Pre-COVID, 99% of my riding was commuting (downtown Pittsburgh) and 
>>> errand running. The non-commuting of COVID has really cut into my bike 
>>> time--I may need to figure out how to work recreational rides into my life 
>>> this spring!
>>> Best,
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8pdNanpBNGSY7fOQjHTdaXfIaXPgwP7/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eghSVYdTjSB2zc3nzY9X8cz8dgQvIbLl/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Loose headset? Something more sinister?

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It sounds like a problem I had not too long ago.  A slight feeling of 
looseness with an occasional squeak eventually was tracked to a not fully 
tightened quill stem bolt.  I loosened and removed the stem from the 
headset completely.  Cleaned and greased the threads that pull the wedgie 
thing of the stem, then reinstalled and made sure to tighten the stem bolt 
"firmly".  Sorry, but I do not know the lb/ft of torque recommended...I 
just winged it.  I believe this may be a good place to start that you can 
do yourself and if it doesn't solve the problem, then call in the 
specialists at the LBS.

Good Luck,
Rusty


On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 12:13:17 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Here is the headset. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I got anodized headset rings/spacers (and I may be botching the names 
> here, but I’ll include a photo in the post after this and you’ll see) and 
> had them installed. I felt that the bike was a little vibratory but it 
> wasn’t until tonight that I found the source. I happened to lift the front 
> end by the bars and felt the bars shift somehow. I had a hex key and 
> checked both bolts in the stem - they were tight. I got home, looked it 
> over and found that the stem is moving around in the headset. It did NOT do 
> this when I had the old headset. 
>
>
> I went online and read horror stories. I stopped reading when my heart 
> started racing. Something about wrecking the steerer, which sounded 
> catastrophic and permanent whatever that is. Is this a minor problem that 
> can be fixed with a wrench, would you guess? Or am I going to need to 
> change out my headset - maybe this one is too big? Ugh, please not that. 
>
> I will either have to drive 40 minutes across town to the mechanics who 
> did the service tomorrow, or if you say it’s an easy fix, I could trust the 
> REI which is only 20 minutes away.
>
> Hoping the answer is straightforward and the problem easily fixable,
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: WTN: 46cm Nitto Noodle

[Rusty Click]

Kieran,

I have a heat treated 48 Noodle that just came off another bike that I 
planned on listing when I get it cleaned up.  I also have the Shimano brake 
levers that were with it available.  $40 for the bar and $20 for the brake 
levers plus actual shipping (don't know what postage to BC may be from 
Pgh,PA.)

Drop me a note if your interested and I'll wipe 'em off and send pics.

On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 11:34:00 PM UTC-5 Kieran J wrote:

> As the title suggests. If you have a spare set, LMK.
> I'm in Victoria, BC.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kieran
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Rusty Click]

Wish I could find an Acorn med saddlebag...I've been waiting for them to be 
restocked.

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:17:38 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> [image: Nov 12th (#3) copy.jpg]
> Brompton light and Rivelo patch extra.
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>
>> Third the Acorn Med Saddlebag.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-8 danmc wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll second the Acorn Medium Saddlebag. Holds an amazing amount. Side 
>>> pockets are great for small items (phone etc) that you need to grab in a 
>>> hurry. I have never had a thigh rub issue. I have 3 of them. 
>>>
>>> The only issue with Acorn is the wait for stock. This bag seems to sell 
>>> more slowly than others that Acorn makes so it is fairly easy to buy one 
>>> when they have a batch of bags to sell. 
>>>
>>> Leah - I could loan you one for a test fit if you are interested. Just 
>>> let me know. 
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> San Rafael CA
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have used one of these bags on my AHH for years. It will allow you to 
>>> carry what you need for a long day ride and a couple of straps on the 
>>> outside through the D-rings allow for bulky clothing to be attached. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272
>>>
>>> You would easily be saving yourself a couple of pounds by not having the 
>>> large rack. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:25:36 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 Leah,
 Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
 Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your 
 saddle doesn’t weigh much.

 Ray

 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
 NY wrote:

> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with 
> lowriders when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully 
> integrated basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on Rosco 
> A 
> soon (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the 
> pedals on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to aspire 
> to, but I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and around 
> my bottom brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly 
> fork 
> (75 lbs in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!) 
> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
> [image: IMG-1096.jpg]
> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't 
>> interfere with v-brakes. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the 
>>> bag when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent strong 
>>> braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps 
>>> V 
>>> brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the 
>>> medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on 
>>> the 
>>> new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the 
>>> rear 
>>> cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff things.
>>>
>>> I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than 
>>> Carradice-design saddlebags.
>>>
>>> Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a 
>>> real thing.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Of course it's sold out! 臘

 Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a 
 saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some 
 people 
 (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 

 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
 Ding Ding! wrote:

> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  
> wrote:
>
> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless 
> saddlebag. If it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can 
> load it 
> up and have it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on 
> it. A 
> grid-gray Bag Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
> Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add 

[RBW] Re: Free 1.25", 31.8mm, 11 cm, 10* stem

[Rusty Click]

email sent...thanks

On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 9:25:38 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I had asked for a shorter replacement, and good thing I didn't fine one 
> because I later realized I had a 9 cm, 17* one in my parts box. It's a $90 
> high-end Ritchey, so putting it on the Monocog is like dressing a pig up in 
> Chanel, or at least Jos Banks,* but it certainly does make the bike fit 
> better, and I don't need it for something else, so that's what counts.
>
> Please take only if you will use.
>
> Send me your mailing address. I'll pay postage. CONUS only, I'm afraid. Be 
> prepared to wait.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Leah’s Raspberry Platypus: It’s here and it’s lovely!

[Rusty Click]

Leah, watching your joy while unwrapping that beautiful new Platypus made 
my dreary, rainy Pittsburgh morning a little brighter.  It even made my 
coffee taste better!

Congratulations...now start enjoying the build up process.


Rusty Click
Pgh, PA

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 9:11:57 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Finally, finally I have the Rivendell mixte I’ve longed for. It’s really 
> here. It’s in pieces, but it’s HERE! My preferred medium is words, but 
> today I’ll let 2 videos tell you the story of the RaspberryRiv’s arrival. 
> The format works if I do this after my initial post, so look for the 2nd 
> and 3rd posts for the 2 videos I’ll be including. For now, here’s one 
> photo. (The photos aren’t filtered - it’s just how the paint appears in 
> various lighting.) 
>
> I cannot wait to get the wheels and dyno and make the appointment for 
> assembly. Really exciting! Thanks for coming along on my journey. I always 
> say it, but it’s true - this is richer with you all here.
>
> Warmly,
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Re: It’s dull around here, let me bring some color

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Candace and James really made the colors "pop" on those wheels!   Can't 
wait to see those sparkly shoes on your bike.

Rusty
Pgh,PA

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 9:41:10 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Friends, 
>
> I have one bike to ride. It’s a Clementine with mostly stock parts, and 
> it’s heavy. 
>
> I love it. 
>
> I have been riding nearly every day and I’ve got 997.9 miles on it for 
> 2020! The hills here are brutal, and the temps are approaching triple 
> digits. So, I want to ride at night, and I want to get up the hills more 
> easily. James and Candice at Analog Cycles in Vermont have showcased their 
> beautiful work on Instagram, and I’ve long been an admirer. #RivSister 
> Roberta knows them and had planned to have them do similar work on her 
> Appaloosa (I’m sure she’ll delight us with her story here when the time 
> comes), and because we girls tend to stick together, I got in touch with 
> Analog. Dyno lighting and lighter wheels with tubeless tires were what was 
> decided. 
>
> So, here’s one photo from Analog that can’t do these wheels one whit of 
> justice; the wheels arrived today and they are showstoppers in real life. I 
> am going to follow up right after this post with a video (2nd post 
> necessary for video to work, I don’t know why) that you can access if you 
> choose to download it. The video is the only way to really capture any of 
> the beauty in these wheels. I told them to go wild with color, and they 
> did. I think the bold colors and patterns capture the zany nature of a 
> Clem. 
>
> Don’t ask me what all the details are, who KNOWS, this is me you’re 
> talking to. I do know I got tubeless Gravel Kings (Evan Elliot, I think 
> these were your suggestion months ago), something about machined sidewalls, 
> Shutter Precision/Edelux II, Son rear light. Oh, enough, what really 
> matters here is there are COLORED SPOKE NIPPLES AND VALVE STEMS. And guess 
> what they do? They fade into other colors because Analog is a straight-up 
> master of color. These wheels are a lot, which is saying something for a 
> woman whose favorite color is sparkle. I LOVE them. More is more. Too much 
> is enough. And so on... 
>
> Tomorrow, I’m taking my bike in for a list of stuff I’m having done to it, 
> and I really hope the mechanics know how to set up dyno lighting - I’ve 
> been burned by Vegas bike shops before, and this is a new shop for me. See 
> the Wiggly Fender thread.  
>
> More later when everything is on the bike and I have gotten to ride it. 
>
> Thanks for looking, this is made even more fun in the presence of like 
> minds. 
> Leah 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Marks hub Area Rack & Olive Hub Area bags

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Forrest Harvey,
I have the hoop-less front area rack available for sale, but not the bags.

Rusty in Pgh,PA

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 11:28:01 AM UTC-4, Forrest Harvey wrote:
>
> Does anyone else have a set like this they are thinking about getting rid 
> of?
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:26 AM phil k > 
> wrote:
>
>> These have sold quickly! Thanks to everyone who reached out.
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 10:28:27 AM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>>>
>>> I am selling these as a set. This is the version without the loop, and 
>>> includes straps to fasten the bags to the rack.
>>>
>>> $105 plus shipping.
>>>
>>> [image: hub area.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: hub area 2.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

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I did the same this past year.  I have a late 2011 DTT 60 Sam that I used 
for everything.  It is great, but struggles with heavy touring loads.  I 
ordered a MUSA 62 Atlantis for the heavier stuff and have shifted the Sam 
to casual, more spritely riding.  There is plenty of overlap, but the Sam 
is now much lighter and de-racked.  I run a handlebar bag and small Swift 
seat bag for essentials.  The Atlantis now has the touring racks and basket 
and takes various load configurations without a hitch.  The surprise has 
been, how good it rides with nothing but me on the saddle.  No matter which 
bike I hop on, I'm treated to a smile inducing ride!  I love 'em both.

Both bikes are 700c and I haven't been bothered by toe overlap unless my 
footwear has moved way forward on the pedals, so I assume the issue is non 
existent with the MIT Atlantis in the 650b.

Go for it, and set them up to compliment each other.   

Rusty
Pgh, PA 

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 8:32:09 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> I'm a super-duper happy owner of a Sam. It's a fantastic commuter. (I know 
> it can do more, but don't). However...I have always wanted an Atlantis. 
> Now, it's (almost) affordable for me. 
> I've been thinking of getting an Atlantis in 650 B, using it as my 
> commuter (and hopefully, touring bike if I can ever get time off), and 
> setting up my Sam as my "fast, stripped down road/ dirt bike.
>
> Crazy?
>
> The Sam, which now holds front and rear Tubus racks, Nitto Front F32, and 
> carries panniers on my daily grind, would be stripped down to no racks, and 
> eventually a lighter wheel set than my current  (not shabby) Velocity 
> Synergies.
>
> Probably roll with Compass tires on it, too (now run the excellent, 
> affordable, Vittoria Voyager Hypers).
>
> The only thing I have not loved about my Sam has been that I get toe 
> overlap at times at slow speed city riding. It's annoying at times. I am 
> confident with a 650B setup of the 56cm Atlantis, this would be a non-issue.
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

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Hi everyone,
I am gonna keep an eye on this.  Coming from Pittsburgh gives me the option 
to pick whichever destination fits the schedule better.  Let's Ride.

Rusty Click
Pgh  PA

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 9:11:32 AM UTC-5, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:  
>
>  
>
> Opening a new post on the RBW 25 'tis a gathering.  I'd love to attend the 
> west coast 'moot, but it's too far for this prancing pony.  How about a 
> northeast/east coast 'moot-up?
>
>  
>
> I posted it on Instagram as well @wickedwoolly.  I think there are some 
> folks on here and over there, but not all are in both spots, thus this post 
> to reach out to get all Hobbits notified.
>
>  
>
> Hit me up offline w/ your name/email/location, subject the email ‘Rivmoot 
> 25’.  The initial thinking is a spring/summer ‘moot somewhere in 
> Massland.  May also create a poll to gather a general consensus on 
> date/location.   Make it a day event? Make it an S24O with some rides? Tear 
> Isengard down? What to do? What to do?
>
>  
>
> In other east coast related news.  Punxsutawney Philbo Paggins has 
> emerged from his hole in the ground...it'll be an early spring with 
> many more years of riding on leather and RBW.
>
>
> CHEERS!
>
> Wally, further east of the Iron Hills, in Maine
>

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[RBW] East Coast Riv Ride

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I recently saw, and no longer can find the post, looking for interest in an 
East Coast Riv Ride.  It mentioned the Hudson River valley area.  Maybe the 
post-er lost interest or had no replies, but I hope it resurfaces with 
renewed zeal.  I would be very interested in such an outing.  I think maybe 
the "post holiday, its really cold out, I have no idea what this years 
riding will be like" doldrums have us east coasters in a funk.
What ever happened to the RivRallyEast crowd?



Rusty
Pgh, Pa

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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts Bin Clean Out - Some good stuff!

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PM sent

Rusty

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 12:30:59 AM UTC-4, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Update:
>
> Photos:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-2NeF-6iHHVLTY4NDlpcmJta2c
>
> Items for sale:
>
> **Shimano CX70 Brakeset - Sold
> **White Industries Square Tapper BB 68x113mm - Sold
> **Paul Comp Black Canti Levers - Sold
> Nitto S84 Lugged Seatpost - $100
> Brooks B67 Aged Saddle - $75
> Rear Wheel, Shimano Deore XT M750 Hub, Mavic T520 Rim, 32 spoke. Hub is 
> used, but in good shape. DT Swiss Double butted spokes. Rim, Spokes, and 
> nipples are new. $120
> Shimano Dura-Ace 9 Spd bar-end shifters - $50
> Shimano Tiagra 3x10 speed trigger shifters - $40
> Shimano 600 68x113mm English BB, smooth - $40
> Shimano Dura-Ace 7800 short cage rear derailleur - $30
> Nitto 32F Front Rack, No Harware, Has Front Tab for light - $70
> Nitto 32F Front Rack, No Harware, Has Front Tab for light - $70
> Shimano Deore 10 Spd Mini Group, Rr Der, Cassette, Chain, and Shifter, 50 
> Miles of Use - $100
> Shimano CX70 Ft Der, 31.8mm, Double, Bottom Pull - $10
> Shimano Ultegra 6700 Ft Der, Braze-On, Double, Chain Catcher included - $15
> Shimano Deore XT M751 Ft Der, 31.8/28.6mm, Triple, Bottom Pull, Almost New 
> - $25
> Shimano 105 5700 Rr Der, Shortcage - $15
> Phil Wood Square Taper BB, 68x119mm, Steel English Cups - $90
> Surly Stainless Rear Cable Hanger - $5
> Surly Stainless Rear Cable Hanger - $5
> Paul Components Funky Monkey Front Cable Hanger, 1" Silver - $30
> Shimano 600 HP-6500 1" Threaded Headset, NOS Condition, No Packaging - $70
> Chris King External Cup Road BB, 68mm, for 24mm Spindles - $70
> Chris King Threadfit 24 BB, 68/73mm, Spacers Included, Adapters for both 
> 24mm & GXP Spindles Included - $90
> Shimano Deore XT RD-M772 9 Spd Rr Der, Long Cage - $30
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto 32f mini front rack & Compass M13 rack w/ light mount

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I'll take the 32f mini front if it is still available.

Rusty
Pgh, Pa

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> I bought these for a bit for bikes that never materialized. Both brand new.
>
> Nitto 32f mini front rack $100 shipped
>
> Compass M13 w/ light mount $150 shipped
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[RBW] RAGBRAI 18

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We’re on our way out now from PGH, PA. 
I’m riding a double TT S Hillborne. Will look for your Riv!

Rusty Click

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Ottolock

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Thumbs up!  I love the little details that personalize our bikes.  I also 
noted the front rack that has a light mount welded on?

Cheers,
Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> As I enjoy looking at others' photos, I attached photos of my Cheviot with 
> a critical improvement. I almost was able to match new cabling to the 
> Ottolock. 
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[RBW] Re: Oooo! Ahhhhhh! Petaled Fireworks.

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Thank You Patrick.

Slainté

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 4:01:34 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I pedal to petaled fireworks despite the Stage 3 fire ban and 
> reflect a wee bit on what it takes to thrive in our American Experiment. 
> Happy and blessed Independence Day!
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/ooo-ah
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

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What a great project...and a great result.  It looks fantastic!

Rusty

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 5:44:58 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw finish:
> https://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2018/07/definishing-hunq.html
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[RBW] Re: June Flowers

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Beautiful, Thank you.  These became my Sunday morning smile!

On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 5:35:09 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I ride up Lovell, making it the back way to Rampart Reservoir to 
> avoid boat trailer traffic on the narrow cañon road and am greeted all 
> along the way by amazing wild flowers.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/june-flowers
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis! - First Riv

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Congratulations on a great looking build, and welcome to the group!

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 12:42:21 PM UTC-4, Brian Reeves wrote:
>
> I've been lurking for quite some time here and have wanted an Atlantis for 
> a while too.  Back in April, I put out a wtb post looking for an Atlantis.  
> I had quite a few forum members kindly reply back to me.  But after a call 
> to Riv and talking to Grant (whom generously gave me quite a bit of his 
> time when I called in),  I decided to order a new Atlantis (56 - 650b) from 
> Riv and have them build it up for me.  Everyone I spoke to over the phone 
> (Grant, Roman and Corey just to name a few) were very nice...they all seem 
> like great folks and I have had nothing but positive experiences with 
> them.  My Atlantis came well packed and expertly assembled.  I finished 
> unboxing/what assembly was left yesterday and did my first ride yesterday 
> and another today.  The bike feels fantastic...to me it feels nimble and 
> fast yet stable and responsive when needed, and the wide 650b tires makes 
> the pot-hole streets and gravel roads around here feel soo smooth it's 
> almost unreal.
>
> I've included some photos from yesterday and today.  I **currently** live 
> in Hamilton, a small town in central Texas with a population of under 3000 
> peoplebut will be undergoing a pretty fast move this month to 
> Alexandria in central Louisiana which is pretty exciting but just a lot to 
> take care of in under a month if all the stars alignespecially with 
> working toward finding housing by July 1st. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

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Plus one on the Nuun product...and I'm currently using the 'new' formula. 
 I've also used a product called "Zipfizz" sold at Costco and/or online. 
 Electrolytes plus lots of B vitamins.

On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 6:35:57 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> Looks like they did change it, these are the ones I've been using: 
> https://www.amazon.com/Nuun-Formula-Electrolyte-Enhanced-Citrus/dp/B001QW1L72
>
> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I like these: https://nuunlife.com/products/nuun-electrolytes/
>>
>> Looks like this contains 1g of sugar (which is news to me, i thought it 
>> was zero, maybe they changed their formula recently)? All the rest of these 
>> things have sugar, cane sugar, stevia and/or caffeine (which I prefer to do 
>> without).
>>
>> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:16:33 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if 
>>> anyone can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I 
>>> sense that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not 
>>> water alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food 
>>> do the trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>>>
>>> Chris Johnson
>>> Sanger, Texas
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

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I've been attempting to follow EBDJ for about the same amount of time as 
you.  Initially, I was expecting some muscle weakness or decrease in energy 
especially on longer (3 - 4 hr rt's) rides.  It just hasn't been a factor, 
and I'm not hungry for food during the ride.  I have lost over 10 pounds in 
this time.  I am trying not to over think what's going on physically, and 
just apply these new things into my routine.

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 3:46:09 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Doing keto diet now for almost two weeks (come Tuesday).
>
> Been commuting and feel good on rides but I notice that my legs hurt/burn 
> for the first mile or so on rides, which never happened when I ate regular, 
> before the keto diet.
>
> Feels like the thighs haven't recharged. Though even when they recharged 
> on former diet they never hurt (hurts like weight lifting burn now).
>
> I was wondering maybe without the sugar/carb/glycos coming in that the 
> body hasn't figured out how to recharge after my riding without them.
>
> So I was wondering:
>
> 1. What does the body recharge with if no glyco stores are available?
>
> 2. Has anyone who  keto dieted found any effects on their riding?
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

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What a wonderful story, wonderfully told!

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 10:04:44 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I just got off the phone with my sister. She accompanied a married couple 
> who are dear friends from out east to Duluth, MN where they hit the bike 
> trails and saw all the sights. Heather knows very little about Rivendell, 
> but is tolerant of my enthusiasm for all things Grant and Co. When she told 
> me this story we laughed until our sides hurt and I knew I had to retell it 
> to a sympathetic audience. Now, here is the DISCLAIMER: Some of you like 
> racy, skinny, lightweight bikes. Some of you appreciate the roadie life. 
> Some of you are partial to drop bars and clipless pedals. And that’s 
> lovely, and we are among friends here, but I’m about to poke fun of all 
> those things. I don’t mean to offend, but I do so love to laugh, so I hope 
> you will forgive me for being offensive this one time, and just giggle with 
> me for a bit. If you are feeling gracious, and you like a little satire in 
> your life, please do read on! If not, stop HERE... 
>
> It was the first morning, and the plan was to hit the bike trails early 
> and see some historic sights in the city. Heather dressed in a breezy, 
> colorful, summery outfit, and bounded downstairs to the lobby. Christine 
> and Dan arrived, looked at Heather, disbelieving and said, “Is that what 
> you’re wearing?!” Heather looked back at them, eyes roving over their 
> unusual outfits. They were covered in colorful, skin-tight lycra. They 
> donned shorts that were oddly padded and somewhat profane, as their 
> crotches were accentuated and bulging. Their shoes were weird, and made 
> sharp clicks on the tile with every step. “Is that what YOU’RE wearing?!” 
> Heather gasped. 
>
> Ah, but they are good friends, so everyone shrugged and headed out the 
> door. They made their way to their bikes, where they were about to have 
> their next mutual shock. Heather has a lovely red Biria, bedecked with 
> racks and a basket and capped with a nice, wide saddle. Hers are romantic, 
> swept-back handlebars, and her tires are smartly covered with fenders. She 
> has chosen this bike because she has commuted downtown for years in several 
> cities and these attributes of the bike are the ones that make sense to 
> her. She has never read Grant’s book. She doesn’t care about online forums 
> or bike literature. She arrived at these conclusions because she knows that 
> they work. Thus, when she looked over at her friends’ carbon racing 
> machines, she couldn’t help but gawk. Dan’s bike is a 20 year old carbon 
> machine, and Christine’s carbon bike was purchased in October. No fenders. 
> No racks (Dan had a giant backpack he was carrying like a pack mule, and 
> the day was a sweltering one.). Christine and Dan mounted their bikes and 
> suddenly their feet were glued to their pedals. What fresh horror was this? 
> My sister kept staring at this couple struggling to release their feet from 
> these traps at every intersection and stop. Christine was less skilled at 
> this, and at one of their stops she tipped over, padded shorts and all. 
> “Why do you use those?” Heather asked incredulously, pointing to the 
> pedals. “Oh, these REALLY help with efficiency,” explained Dan, as 
> Christine scraped herself off the pavement. 
>
> They reached their first destination. There was a lovely waterfall to 
> appreciate, so they dismounted and made their way to it. Clickety-clack, 
> clickety-clack went the Efficiency Shoes on the boardwalk. The rest of the 
> afternoon was much like that, and 25 miles later, so ended the first day. 
>
> The next morning found the couple dithering about what to wear. They were 
> going out for a nice lunch and to visit a local museum, and the couple was 
> in a quandary about their clothes. They were biking so they needed “bike 
> clothes.” But they were also planning to do fun, touristy things, so they 
> needed “normal clothes.”  They didn’t want to wear the clickety-clacks, but 
> their pedals called for it.  “I don’t know if I can ride my bike without my 
> padded shorts,” said Christine. They compromised. They put on normal 
> clothing with their clickety-clacks. Then they stuffed extra shoes into 
> Dan’s large backpack. They pedaled off, crotches on fire, Dan sweating 
> under the weight strapped to his back. 
>
> “Why do you have that bike seat if it hurts to ride it?” asked Heather, 
> genuinely curious. 
>
> “Oh, well, I probably save 5 grams using this one!” crowed Dan, “And you 
> may not think that sounds like much, but a few grams here and a few grams 
> there really adds up!” 
>
> They continued on, where their way was impeded by several puddles. Heather 
> lifted her legs up and sailed gleefully through the water, outfit intact 
> and free of mud. Oddly, she was alone. She looked back and saw her friends, 
> who had come almost to a halt, negotiating their way around the puddles. 
> “Do 

[RBW] Re: Hidden Gift of Riding a Bike

[Rusty Click]

Thank you Patrick, for a Memorial Day morning reminder that there is good 
in the hearts of men! 

On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 5:27:17 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Grant and a few others have mentioned the challenge of helping people who 
> are homeless, who we as bike riders see and encounter more than others 
> because we are in the out of the way places. I encounter it now and again, 
> increasingly in the last two years. Clearly the current answers for 
> addressing the root causes are not working, but that is not the point of 
> this. Helping the immediate need is. 
>
> On today’s ride I saw a man in a sleeping bag under a tree off to the side 
> of the trail. No matter the whys and wherefores, a real person in real 
> need. As he was asleep, I rode on, and kept an eye out for him on my 
> return. Not carrying food or money, and could only offer him water, and he 
> was bone dry, so small as it was it was something. I returned later with a 
> lunch and a coat, but he had moved on. 
>
> I have now started carrying gourp to give out, and extra water, etc. No 
> easy answers, but it is easy to see myself in that position were it not for 
> the love of family helping me so much with my bludgeoned brain and the 
> insurance I am blessed to have (brain injury is a hidden factor in many 
> people who are homeless, often misdiagnosed as mental illness), and is one 
> of the reasons helping is so very challenging — brain injury defies most 
> people’s understanding of what help is needed and is different for every 
> person). 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

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The Riv Catalog arrived here in PGH on Tuesday.  I ran through it quickly, 
just to get a quick fix, then sat down with a cuppa and fell into every 
page and photo.   Just what I needed to start my mind spinning(again) about 
an upcoming Atlantis build(USA).

Rusty Click
Pgh, PA

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 3:05:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Just got the mail and there it was - the promised Riv catalog!  I'm going 
> to wait until after work to savor it with a beer in hand on the back 
> patio.  Just from the cover, it looks to be of high quality.  Much as you 
> would expect.
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Appaloosa and how to pull more cable

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There is a product called a "Travel Agent" that increases cable pull.  A 
friend has them on his LHT, and he has no complaints.  You can find install 
videos on the inter-web.

rusty

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:42:59 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have not seen (m)any photos of Appaloosas with a drop bar. I wanted to 
> do something new this spring, and my wallet did not want me to get a new 
> bike, so I put on some drops.
> I had tried this a few years ago with my Sam, and it never felt great, so 
> I got a shorter stem this time (7cm vs 9cm). Then I put yellow Newbaum's on 
> with a light coat of clear shellac. Spring time!
>
> One thing I don't love is that I got the absolute tallest V Brakes I could 
> find when I bought this, and those tall V Brakes need the absolute most 
> cable pull... and the tektro v brake levers for drop bars bottom out. They 
> stop the bike, but no room to spare! Any ideas on how to pull more cable 
> save for getting those pulley add on things? I was thinking of trying 
> another washer on the inside of the arm to put the tops of the arms a 
> little further apart. Will that make a difference?
>
> Photos 
> 
>
> I would love to see pictures any other drop bar Appaloosas.
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis maiden voyage

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Such a great looking build!  I am taking notes while waiting for my own, a 
62, to arrive sometime late in the summer.  How do you like the Albatross 
bars?

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 9:14:16 PM UTC-5, Brent P wrote:
>
> Finished the final buildup details last night and couldn’t wait any 
> longer. It was cool, cloudy and blustery winds, but felt good to get out 
> and shake out any bugs and fine tune the settings. Frameset came from 
> another member of the bunch and was in great (new) condition. Thankful for 
> getting a dream bike sooner than I anticipated. But out of the gate and 8 
> miles later, this bike is amazing. Smooth, responsive, and FUN. It’s so 
> much fun being on a bike that FITS and becomes an extension of you going 
> down the road. 
>
> I’ve been lurking around this group almost daily for many months - 
> learning, researching, and getting tons of ideas. Thank you for this 
> collection and sharing your practical bike knowledge! 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/24Q7WPJ 
> https://flic.kr/p/228UHDy 
> https://flic.kr/p/GL3pjf 
>

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[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

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You're gonna love how that Sam rides.  Enjoy!  



On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 6:12:31 PM UTC-5, Bob Warner wrote:
>
> Greetings RBW Bunch,
> Thought I'd post my new to me Sam Hillborne!  I'm pretty excited about 
> this bike.  I'm the second owner of the frame, and just built it up with 
> parts from my recently dismantled Nordavinden (soon to be for sale)
> It's my first Riv, and based upon the maiden shake down ride today, it 
> rides like a dream.   I've read a lot about Riv bikes, and have followed 
> this forum for some time now, but did not realize what truly sublime rides 
> they are.Looking forward to many long rides this year with Sam!!
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

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Bought some, and now need to go shopping!

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:38:03 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Jones Bar on a Clem H, Appaloosa, or Yves Gomez?

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Joe, I was thinking about the Jones for the upcoming Atlantis build.  What 
do you think of that, versus the Albatross?

On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:07:01 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I had the riser 2.5 Loop (660mm) on my Clem L and really liked it. Clems 
> have long (virtual) toptubes commensurate to seattube size so I used a 
> shorty 40cm Thomson stem on a V-O quill adapter. 
>
> I was just pondering last night that I should sell the cockpit because I 
> sold the Clem and currently don't have a bike to put this bar on. If you 
> think you might want to try one without paying full pop for new, PM me or 
> text at 415 seven eight six 46 two three and I'll send pics of it off the 
> bike. 
>
> Here's pics on the Clem.
>   https://photos.app.goo.gl/QDiNsiAcGmMVxmTy1 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[Rusty Click]

Thank you, all of you, for your comments.  You've loosened the clamp of 
anxiety a bit, and let me chuckle at my own discomfort.   Thank You.

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 10:31:44 AM UTC-5, Rusty Click wrote:
>
> I am suffering from this condition, and wondered if it is normal.  You 
> see, I've recently ordered a new Atlantis (62), and I find myself looking 
> at owners pictures of their builds, and obsessing over whether to have Riv 
> do a complete build, or move what I can from my '11 S. Hillborne (which 
> will have to be sold to slightly offset the new bikes expense) and only 
> worry over what will not transfer.  
>
> Why can't I stop looking at wheels, at handlebars, and brakes?  I know I 
> have many months ahead of wading through the minutiae of all the choices to 
> be made, including the selling of my loyal Sam.  Is this "Buyers Remorse", 
> or some other malady experienced by those of us waiting anxiously for a new 
> bike?  I know I have at least 6 months of this torture/excitement to 
> endure, and don't know if I will make it through.  
>
> I consider all of you on this amazing site, a sort of support group for 
> the bike obsessed.  I am one.  
>
>
> Dementedly Yours,
>
> Dale Click "Rusty"
> Pgh, PA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

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Thanks guys, the biggest problem is that the Sam is my only ride.  It's a 
"Transformer" that dresses appropriately for the task at hand, and John, 
you are right that I will miss it. 

On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 10:31:44 AM UTC-5, Rusty Click wrote:
>
> I am suffering from this condition, and wondered if it is normal.  You 
> see, I've recently ordered a new Atlantis (62), and I find myself looking 
> at owners pictures of their builds, and obsessing over whether to have Riv 
> do a complete build, or move what I can from my '11 S. Hillborne (which 
> will have to be sold to slightly offset the new bikes expense) and only 
> worry over what will not transfer.  
>
> Why can't I stop looking at wheels, at handlebars, and brakes?  I know I 
> have many months ahead of wading through the minutiae of all the choices to 
> be made, including the selling of my loyal Sam.  Is this "Buyers Remorse", 
> or some other malady experienced by those of us waiting anxiously for a new 
> bike?  I know I have at least 6 months of this torture/excitement to 
> endure, and don't know if I will make it through.  
>
> I consider all of you on this amazing site, a sort of support group for 
> the bike obsessed.  I am one.  
>
>
> Dementedly Yours,
>
> Dale Click "Rusty"
> Pgh, PA
>
>

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[RBW] New Bike Syndrome

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I am suffering from this condition, and wondered if it is normal.  You see, 
I've recently ordered a new Atlantis (62), and I find myself looking at 
owners pictures of their builds, and obsessing over whether to have Riv do 
a complete build, or move what I can from my '11 S. Hillborne (which will 
have to be sold to slightly offset the new bikes expense) and only worry 
over what will not transfer.  

Why can't I stop looking at wheels, at handlebars, and brakes?  I know I 
have many months ahead of wading through the minutiae of all the choices to 
be made, including the selling of my loyal Sam.  Is this "Buyers Remorse", 
or some other malady experienced by those of us waiting anxiously for a new 
bike?  I know I have at least 6 months of this torture/excitement to 
endure, and don't know if I will make it through.  

I consider all of you on this amazing site, a sort of support group for the 
bike obsessed.  I am one.  


Dementedly Yours,

Dale Click "Rusty"
Pgh, PA

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

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Rod, You're  going to love the way the Sam rides.  I have a 60, non-canti 
Sam that I have had the pleasure to ride for the past 6+ years.


On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 4:02:42 PM UTC-5, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Last night I read Grant's Blahg, and these words clicked for me: "Don't 
> buy what you don't need, but also don't wait too long if it's in your 
> cards, anyway." So I ordered a 58cm Canti-Sam frameset, which joins a 59cm 
> Ocean Air Rambler F/F/HS+brakes and an old Nobilette go-fast frame and fork 
> in the winter-build queue. I guess that puts me at n+3, and I'm not sure 
> which build will come first, now, but it did seem like the time to buy a 
> Rivendell, from Rivendell.
>
> rod
>

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[RBW] Re: Calif. Atlantis rider on the GAP last week?

[Rusty Click]

I'll jump in and echo all the info regarding the GAP and AMTRAK service.  

I ride the GAP often between PGH and Cumberland (sometimes to DC,) but my S 
Hillborne certainly wouldn't be mistaken for an Atlantis.  I certainly hope 
to run into other Riv Riders while I'm out, but other than visiting 
bloggers from out of town, I haven't seen many.

Rusty Click
Pgh, PA

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 4:27:45 PM UTC-4, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> Well, Doug, you have a Doppleganger on this coast! I'm not disappointed, 
> hearing that you plan a GAP trip with the wife sometime. You will enjoy it! 
> Combine it with a C trip to D.C. and you have some of the best trail 
> riding we can offer. I'm in Va., but let me know if you nail down dates. 
> Many Riv. folks around D.C., too, if you want company!
>
> The GAP rarely gets too busy to ride, though summer is busiest, not 
> surprisingly. Spring or Fall - before & after the school year - is when I 
> like it best! They close the Big Savage Tunnel near the Eastern Continental 
> Divide for the worst of winter to protect it, but I've been up there for an 
> overnighter when the temps got down to 14 degrees at night, but dressed for 
> it. Many places along the trail to eat and do B's too!
>
> Finally, AMTRAK has started limited roll-on bike service (the Capitol 
> Limited) between D.C. and Chicago, with a main stop in Pittsburgh, the 
> western end of the GAPCO. Also a stop in Cumberland, MD, the eastern end of 
> the GAP. If you opt for that, book early! We're not as advanced as you 
> folks on the west coast. I envy the service there.
>
> On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:39:35 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Paul:
>>
>> Sorry to disappoint but no, it was not me.  That ride is actually on our 
>> short list of Eastern rides to do so maybe someday you'll see a pair of 
>> Atlantis' on the trail.  Also on the list is the Finger Lakes in New York 
>> (my wife's from Brooklyn).  
>>
>> We miss you & Ian.  You guys are such a great story with having bikes to 
>> ride at each others homes.  Perhaps we can connect when we head east.  No 
>> firm plans at the moment though.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 7:25:22 AM UTC-7, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
>>> When my brother-in-law, Ian, lived in L.A., Calif. for a number of 
>>> years, I flew out to ride with him and his great bunch of buddies. (And 
>>> visit my sister, too, of course)! 
>>>
>>> One of those I enjoyed meeting was Doug P. who posts here. (I've been 
>>> preoccupied lately and have not been able to visit the Riv. list for a 
>>> while). Last week I was finishing up a Pittsburgh-to-Cumberland, MD trip on 
>>> the GAP with 5 friends. On the last day, Wed. Oct. 25, I passed a solo 
>>> rider on what I was sure was a Rivendell, headed in the direction of 
>>> Pittsburgh. The guy looked familiar, but it took me about 10 minutes to 
>>> connect the face with (quite possibly) Doug P. on his Atlantis. Am I 
>>> correct Doug? If so, let me know how you liked the Great Allegheny Passage. 
>>> (Despite hard rain all day on Monday)!
>>>
>>> If it was you, I am miffed that I was not quicker recognizing you! 
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[Rusty Click]

That is a great looking bike and very tempting.  Being 6'1" and 91.5 pbh, 
it may just be a great fit.  I've gotta think about it a bit more...hmmm.

I'll PM you if I fall off the fence.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 10:16:53 PM UTC-5, Gossamer wrote:
>
> As close to new 58 Appaloosa in blue.
>
> Buil kit from Riv that included Nitto Choco Moose bars and added a read 
> Pletscher Rack with pannier rails, front Mark's rack and Sackville small 
> trunk (gray), kickstand. Currently has a Soma drop bar on it with Dura Ace 
> shifters. Already newbaumed chain stay, both sets of bars and put on a 
> great bell.
>
> Bike has fewer than 100 miles on it. It's closer to new than a demo could 
> be...it's sadly too big despite following the fit guide.
>
> I'd be happy to discuss further if someone would like. I'd like to get 
> $2100 for it since I have more than $2600 into it. It will be 
> professionally shipped and you'll get both bars and all mentioned above. 
> Only thing I would keep are the saddle and the pedals.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS '97 Longlow 61cm

[Rusty Click]

Robert,

I'm sorry to see that you're selling "Baby".  I've enjoyed talking with you 
during RAGBRAI these last three years, and I know how much you love that 
bike.

I hope the sale goes well for you, and I"m hoping to see, and talk with 
again in Iowa for the '18 ride.  

Cheers,

Rusty Click  (S Hillborne/dbl tt/green)
Pittsburgh, PA

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 8:58:58 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Posting for a friend in Louisiana who needs to sell his bike.  Nice guy, 
> double leg amputee, rides and runs with adaptive prosthetics. Link below is 
> to his posting on Facebook for the photos.   Contact Robert Bailey directly 
> at redc...@msn.com 
>
> 1997 Rivendell LongLow 61 cm
> $2,500
> Baton Rouge, LA
> It hurts to sell this bike. It is close to my heart. One week before I 
> lost both legs in an accident I bought this bike off ebay. For the next 7 
> years my goal was to ride this bike. In 2013 I rode it across Iowa. Now I 
> must let her go.
> She is a 1997 Rivendell LongLow. 61 cm. Made by Waterford with Richard 
> Sachs lugs and Reynolds tubing. With my present feet I am 5'11" and step 
> up. I can straddle the top tube. Grant Petersen loves tall bikes. Campy off 
> road triple crank, Campy Veloce FD, Shimano Deore RD, Phil Wood hubs, 
> Shimano CX50 Canti brakes, Nitto S65 seatpost, Brooks B-68 saddle, Nitto 
> stem, Soma Oxford bars, Tektro brake levers, Silver Shifter bar-ends, 
> Longboard fenders, Nitto rear rack.
> I started riding it regularly in 2013 and rode it on RAGBRAI. Triumph!!! 
> Unfortunately UPS bent the top tube in shipping. They paid for it to go to 
> Rivendell for a new top tube and paint job (D Cycles). I had the cream 
> fills put it. Excellent shape. Rivendell Cloisonne Headbadge.
> Have friends mad at me for selling, but I must.
> The photos with the harlequin bar tape is how "Baby" looks now.
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/robert.bailey.75436/posts/10203577895526099?comment_id=10203580412829030_comment_id=10203580536512122_t=feed_comment_reply_id=1504094372349052
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[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind's Semi Annual Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners ride and social

[Rusty Click]

I plan on heading down from Pittsburgh.

Rusty 

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 12:59:46 PM UTC-4, Gravel & Grind Espresso + 
Bikes wrote:
>
> Rivendell / Bridgestone / Crust owners bunch ride at Gravel & Grind 
>  
> in 
> Frederick MD on Sept 10th. Bring your B-stone(s), oogle at other rad bikes, 
> and do a 40ish mile mixed surface ride with ice cream thrown in the mix. 
> Sept 10th.  Lots of demo-able Riv's and Crust to check out too, if ya want! 
>  Email me at james (at) gravelandgrind (dot) com for more info, don't post 
> here with questions.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] 2017 RAGBRAI

[Rusty Click]

Any Riv listers heading to Iowa for this years RAGBRAI?  If so, drop me a 
line.   Robert, are you still out there?

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[RBW] Re: Hub Area Rack, with non-Riv bags...can I?

[Rusty Click]

Hi Neil,

I use the Ortleib Sport Packer Plus front bags without a problem.   They 
are very adjustable.   I have also been known to hang a Stone Cold 
insulated "beverage" bag on the HAR.
My only complaint isn't with the bags, but with the version of the HAR 
itself.  I have the "non-loop", early version, and I believe the loop has 
to make the setup stiffer.  Although, I haven't had any problems with a 
moderate load.

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:24:40 PM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> I'm back to adding front bags to my Sam. I searched, but did not find info 
> on whether the HAR will accept non-Riv bags, such as Lone Peak or Swift.
>
> I understand Ortleib will work, and saw the thread about adding their 
> mounting hardware to Riv bags, but not interested in that solution.
>
> Anybody with first-hand knowledge of fitting non-Riv bags to the HAR?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking clear, nose-breathing friendly over glasses goggles

[Rusty Click]

Some sort of ski goggles?  Great pictures...wish I were there to experience 
the mountains again.

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 11:47:24 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> At temps below zero goggles are essential, but mine have three problems. 
> They barely fit over my glasses, they smarsh me nose (and at those temps I 
> really want to only breate through my nose, so my sinuses warm and 
> moisturize the air before it reaches my lungs), and they are dark dark 
> dark, so not conducive to dark winter mornings or dark cloudy winter days. 
> Any ideas? 
>
> See the last picture in this post to see the mug and glasses they need to 
> work on. http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/winters-glory 
>
> Thanks for any suggestion you have! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Rusty Click]

I believe that you should always signal when passing on multi use trails. 
 It is often 'required' by the trail rules, and it is certainly common 
courtesy whether it is written on a sign or not.
Signaling could be verbal, or a bell.  Just because you are the only two 
people on the trail, and the pedestrian is far right (with or without pet), 
and you plan on cruising by on the far left, doesn't mean it is OK to not 
signal.  The pedestrian could be on a bluetooth headset getting 
instructions from their spouse, or paying attention to the dog who is 
paying attention to the squirrel, or engrossed in the social media wonders 
of their phone.  You just don't know, so call out, or ring the bell, or 
both.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 8:33:06 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Rusty Click]

I believe they look like a "Goose Neck".  No offense, or vote intended, 
just saying.  I do like the alliterative nature of the "THIMBLE THUMBIE" 
though.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 7:12:20 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> If now and then or from the start we call them Thimble Shifters---if we or 
> I EVER do--Ryan gets a free pair. 
> Since 'tis the season for voting, the polls are open till Saturday at 10 
> o'clock California time. 
>
> Silver THIMBLES
>
> The SILVER part is alredy in the genes. That's the brand. Model would be 
> THIMBLE, and maybe we'd use THIMBLE only for the thumb-operated style.
>
> so you can vote anonymously without hurting Ryan's feelings, email 
> gr...@rivbike.com  directly, and only if you like THIMBLE. 
> No other suggestions, please, no explanations, I'm not going to open up the 
> email unless you say THIMBLE OPEN, and then, sure, whatever. But I'm 
> looking for a certain undisclosed number between 45 and 48. That's the 
> threshhold.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Ryan Ray  > wrote:
>
>> I like the old down tube style ones and the new thimble ones. Both are 
>> nice.
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[RBW] Re: DC Area Friends Meet-up?

[Rusty Click]

Hi Chris,

I missed the ride last year, and am looking forward to joining you.  I live 
outside of Pittsburgh and ride/guide the local trails often.  I agree with 
Howard that Husky Haven is a good campground, depending on your daily 
mileages.  Another is in Confluence run by Corp of Engineers(?)

Anyway, depending on where you plan to start or where you're staying here 
in Pittsburgh, I would like to meet and ride some of, or all the way to 
Cumberland.  I'll look for further post as to details.

Cheers,
Rusty Click
Pittsburgh, PA


On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 12:55:42 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> I was fortunate to meet several of you DC area folks last year when I came 
> out for the C tour.  Some of you even rode and camped with us.  We had 
> such a great time, we wanted to come back and do something similar this 
> year.
>
> Me, son-in-law Carey, and Steve Butcher (graveldoc) are planning a return 
> this year for the GAP trail tour.  Like last year, our itinerary is a 
> little constrained.  But we want to extend the invitation for you to join 
> in, or meet-up somewhere, just in case it works out.  The plan looks like 
> this...
>
> Thursday (10/6) - arrive in Silver Spring
>
> Friday (10/7) - time with my grandson, but flexible for a meet-up
>
> Saturday (10/8) - part of day devoted to family outing, but also 
> coffeeneuring somewhere in Silver Spring, morning meet-up opportunity
>
> Sunday (10/9) - drive to Pittsburgh, hoping to drop in at Gravel and Grind 
> for a visit on the way
>
> Monday-Thursday (10/10 to 10/13) - ride from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, MD 
> on the GAP trail, some camping, some lodging
>
> Friday (10/14) - time with my grandson, but some flexibility for a meet-up
>
> Saturday (10/15) - return to Texas
>
> I've already had a couple of offline conversations with a couple of you, 
> and hope we'll be able to visit with you again this year.  If anyone is 
> interested in riding the GAP trail with us, I'll be happy to provide more 
> details on our anticipated schedule for that.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>

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[RBW] Re: 2016 RAGBRAI

[Rusty Click]

Aloha Bob,

I plan on riding the '16 RAGBRAI...I really enjoyed this years ride, and 
heartily recommend it to all who may be considering it.

Great write up and pictures on your ride to the beach too!

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh, Pa
724-554-1909



On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 10:14:30 PM UTC-4, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> Aloha all,
>
> I'm thinking of doing my 3rd RAGBAI in 2016 and have a couple of questions 
> - one not so important, but one a bit more interesting (to me).
>
> First, anyone else contemplating RAGBRAI 2016. There's no route yet, so 
> it's just a thought for most.
>
> Second, has anyone ridden from eastern Iowa to Milwaukee?
>
> You see it's my 40th high school reunion next summer (Shorewood, WI - Go 
> Greyhounds). I've suggested the first weekend in August as that would allow 
> me to double dip by riding RAGBRAI across Iowa and then riding from there 
> to Milwaukee. In fact, I pretty talked folks into the first weekend in 
> August by saying I would ride across Iowa and Wisconsin. 
>
> Of course as we don't know the terminus for RAGBRAI 2016 (nor will we till 
> mid-January) so it's all up in the air, but it's not too early to start 
> thinking about it.
>
> Some of it can be done on the Great River Trail (and that's on my list of 
> things to do so this would be a nice taste).
>
> Other bits (in WI) can apparently be done on the Ice Age Scenic Trail. 
>
> If anyone has any ideas, let me know, it's all in the initial planning 
> stage right now.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Mahalo in advance,
>
> Bob
>
> -- 
> Robert Harrison
> Honolulu, HI
> rfhar...@gmail.com 
> statrix.com
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[RBW] Re: Fender front flap: how close to the ground I is still safe?

[Rusty Click]

I too, had the same setup and the long flap was a great leaf scoop! 

I replaced it with the short flap that Riv has on its  site.  All is Well.

Rusty

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:32:38 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:

 Just mounted by P45 to rear of fork crown. 
 This brought the flap obviously too close to ground. 
 Cut about 1/2 off. Now three fingers  from the ground. Is this too close? 
 Will it result in it being a stick scooper? 
 Next step is probably just remove the flap. 
 How close to the ground is yours?

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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI 2015

[Rusty Click]

In lieu of a day to day trip report, here are some recollections about this 
years RAGBRAI.  

Our Pennsylvania Mountain Men, a group of 10, consisted of eight riders, 
the mini bus owner, and his girlfriend who drove 'the beast' like a road 
warrior.  They became hitched while on this years RAGBRAI.

We departed Pittsburgh a little later than planned but glad to be on the 
way.  These veteran RAGBRAI-ers where joined by three newbies, and we three 
were glad of the opportunity.  About 60 miles short of our planned 
overnight on the Illinois side of the river from Davenport, the mini bus 
blew 2 tires, and limped into the next town, which was luckily only about 2 
miles up the road.  The adventure has begun.  Hotel rooms were found and 
divided up amongst the riders, while everyone wondered about repairs the 
next day.  In the morning, with tires found and a shop located to mount 
them, we headed offfor about 5 miles.  That was when the battery tray 
decided to drop and drag along the road.  We had MacGyver on board though, 
and he pulled from his pack some gum and tape, along with some ratchet 
straps, to secure everything back in its 'kinda-sorta' space, and we headed 
off once again for our host families addresses in far off Sioux City.  We 
arrived just before sunset and quickly set up tents and put together our 
bikes for the morning.  We arrived a bit late to enjoy the pre-ride 
festivities that the Des Moines Register sponsored, including the music and 
vendors, but we were feasted by the host families (3) which found room for 
about 70 riders.  We took the opportunity to decompress from the trip out, 
and enjoyed the ribs, pulled pork, pasta salads, and the 'pop' of a few 
cans of brew before heading off for the tents.

The weeks riding started at a little after 6 am the next day.  We would 
stagger out of camp between 6 and 6:30 all week long, so as to beat the 
heat, and set up for the next night.  Some would ride early and fast, some 
would start early and find breakfast, some would Just Ride and do 
whatever, all day long.  Guess where I fit in.

We enjoyed wonderful hosts throughout the week.  Private residences, church 
lawns, and town parks were filled with tents and riders going about the 
housework required for the day.  Tent set-up, showers, cleaning riding gear 
for those of us without kits for every day, and re-hydration filled the 
afternoons til we either headed off to check out the overnight towns 
entertainment, or melted into camp chairs and eventually into tents to 
start all over again.  For me, it was 'Introduction to RAGBRAI' 101, and I 
admit to being little overwhelmed, but WOW, it was awesome!  I never tired 
of seeing both lanes full of bikes for as far as i could see.

The days riding took us through a few, well spaced 'Pass Through' towns who 
put out the welcome mat with church breakfasts(or dinners), locals pointing 
the way to water/food/beer/entertainment, and shade.  Along the route, in 
between towns,  homeowners, farmers, and sometimes an Amish family would 
set up tents selling, at very reasonable rates(or even free), 
water/gatorade and food.  Wait, that doesn't quite tell the tale.  So here 
is a partial list of just some of the things I stopped for:  Organic yogurt 
and granola, cappuccino made in a field by a wonderful local roaster, sweet 
corn on the cob, Iowa Craft Beer, pork chops, pie and ice cream made by 
either the local church ladies or the Amish, beer, various 'food on a 
stick' including steak, chicken, corn, alligator(yep), BACON, and more 
beer, burritos, pancakes, hard cider, and brats wrapped in BACON.  And pie. 
 And Ice Cream.  Did I mention the local beer? 

Throughout the week, my S. Hillborne rode without incident.  No flats or 
mechanicals.  The weeks riding totaled a little over 510 miles.  That 
included the 470-ish official miles, plus optional miles off route to a 
church lunch, or riding to the host family locations which were within 5 
miles or so of the route and the overnight town.  Sometimes, we rode to a 
local HS to use their showers.  All these extra miles were referred to as, 
RAGBRAI Miles.

Reluctantly, hot and tired, and after the mandatory tire dip, we loaded the 
bus in Davenport and turned ourselves over to Chrystal's road warrior ways. 
  We headed east for home.  Oh yeah, about 12 miles short of our exit to 
Pittsburgh, and about 40 short of being home, the bus bellowed its final 
breath and stranded us on the PA Turnpike.  Some of us called spouses at 
4AM, (I waited till 5 ) to come and help get bikes and bags - and us - back 
to our start point.  And I would do it all again.  Even the bus breakdowns 
were all part of a wacky, wonderful week of riding!  The people I rode with 
and met during the week, both on the road and in all the towns, were 
friendly and accommodating, ready with a tale of their days ride, or with 
info on what could be found around that nights town. 

Thank You Iowa!

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh

[RBW] RAGBRAI 2015

[Rusty Click]

Hi all,

Thought I'd update the group on my virginal RAGBRAI ride.  These are some 
pics of ride (to prove it happened).  My Sam rode wonderfully, and I met a 
few other Riv owners during the week.  Shout outs to T. Gavin for his 
advice, and the offer to ride some gravel (I'll add that to next years 
list), and to Robert Baily, whose story I barely knew, but remember reading 
about.  I'm glad to have met him during this years ride.  I hope to have a 
trip report soon, but here (hopefully) are some photos.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/dcpgh/5T5aD5

Rusty
Pittsburgh, PA

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[RBW] Re: CO in October

[Rusty Click]

I'll pencil this in on the calendar too!  If possible, I'd like to meet you 
halfway, and ride to Cumberland.  I'll let you know for sure, offline, when 
I can.

RustyC

On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 8:37:34 AM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:

 Because I've had such great experiences meeting my internet buddies during 
 my travels, because I've read that some of you have an interest riding (or 
 re-riding) the CO, and because carving time out of a busy life for 
 lollygagging takes forethought, I want to announce my plan to ride the CO 
 during October 6-9 of this year.  I'd love to have you guys join us for a 
 brief meet-up, coffee brew-up, or a complete ride along.

 The main driver for my travel to the DC area is a family visit.  That 
 means I have a fairly constrained itinerary.  My good friend Steve Butcher 
 (GravelDoc) and my son-in-law will be riding with me, and we'll be 
 comfortably spreading out the 185 miles over four days.  We plan to camp 
 Tuesday and Thursday nights, but family will meet us in Sharpsburg for some 
 tourist time and a BB stay on Wednesday night.  We'll be riding out of 
 Silver Spring, and family will shuttle us back from Cumberland on Friday 
 evening.

 If this is of interest to any of you, let me know here or by private 
 message and I'll provide more details.  I'm hoping this will be another 
 opportunity to meet some of my friends face-to-face and share some time 
 awheel.  In the meantime, I'll be trying to determine which Riv to bring 
 along...

 Chris Johnson
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[RBW] What have I done?

[Rusty Click]

Any list members riding RAGBRAI this year?  They (RAGBRAI) have called my 
bluff, and informed me that  I have gotten in via the lottery.  Now, I'm 
hoping that my knees can keep me, and my Sam Hillborne, rolling!  So far, 
I'm guardedly optimistic about this.  NSAIDS, electrolytes, and pie will 
have to keep me going.  Any advice, or warnings out there from previous 
riders?

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh, PA

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[RBW] Re: What have I done?

[Rusty Click]

It will be quite the experience, I'm sure.  So far, my training rides are 
rail-trails to coffee shops, and an occasional S24O.  I may need to add 
some extra miles when I can.

Cheers,

Rusty

On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 10:30:51 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Wow, Rusty... That's quite the event (so I'm told by a friend and his wife 
 who rode it a few years ago).  And contrary to popular belief, Iowa ain't 
 totally flat.  Good luck; I say go for it!!!

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[RBW] Re: GAP/CO trails in the early spring

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Hi Marc,

Thanks for that great write up on the GAP/CO.  It was a terrific read, and 
I forwarded it to some local cycling advocates, and the people at BikePGH.

I live in Pittsburgh, and spend a lot of time on various parts of the trail.

To anyone else on the list thinking of riding some, or all of the 
Pittsburgh to DC trail,  we'd be glad to host, and/or help, any way we 
could.  It would be great to meet, and ride with you.  And yes, Bobby, I 
think another Riv Rally East is due!

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh



On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 6:58:44 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:

 I just got done with my early spring trip and finished the first part of 
 the ride recount 
 http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2015/04/early-spring-on-gapco-trails-part-1-gap.html
 .
 It was a good trip with some very predictable trials and a couple very 
 pleasant surprises down the road.  I'll furnish new links as I finish over 
 the next few days.

 Marc


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[RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

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My project will be a 650b conversion of my old, mid 80's Rockhopper, which 
will soon be back in my garage after spending the last 11 years with a 
co-worker.
I'd like to go with a wide-low front end with no FD, but everything else is 
up in the air till I get my hands back on my old bike.  I don't know what 
width tires it'll accommodate either.  When I see it, and start taking it 
apart, I'll post a wish list of items needing attention, and would like any 
feedback/advice on how to approach.  I may take it to my favorite LBS, 
Thick Bikes, for their input too.  They have never nudged me in the wrong 
direction.

Like Andy, my riding here in the Pittsburgh area is limited during the 
winter.   I think working on this is going to be a very fun learning 
experience and I am really looking forward to it taking up some time. ( So 
is my wife )

Rusty Click

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 5:37:11 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:

 Riding, besides my commutes, get a bit scant from here on out through 
 winter. The season, the holidays, more deliberate prep for a trip in the 
 conditions, plenty of things distract from just a nice ride but I realize 
 that at this time every year I always seem to contemplate a bike project to 
 go with the anticipated springtime, fruition or not. It's biking fun for 
 the extra bandwidth.

 My project is a low trail, 650b wheeled, all-around bike made with a 
 lively tube set (versus sturdy for touring) with drop bars, center pull 
 brakes, generator hub, LED lighting. All on a budget recognizing the value 
 of experience, unlike the box bike/mass market interpretation, handmade 
 wheels versus machine made ones as an example. I am reading and including 
 many posting subjects and items in this project and admit that may not 
 reach reality, but it's fun to have on the drawing board.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 64cm

[Rusty Click]

That's a beautiful bike!  Quite possibly my dream bike, and the one I 
wanted before I bought my S. Hillborne a few years back.  Very 
temptedh

I am, or used to be 6'1, with a 91-91.5 PBH.  I wonder if the 64 is the 
size Riv would put me on.  What is your PBH, and how was the fit for you?


Rusty-(trying not to tempt myself)
Pittsburgh

On Friday, September 26, 2014 1:29:05 PM UTC-4, Gregg V. wrote:

 I'm selling my Rivendell Atlantis 64cm Custom Joe Bell Paint Job. Never 
 toured with just road around town. Looks like new. Paint has about three 
 very small pin head size nicks around top of fork crown (see photos) Very 
 small amount of chain rub near chainring. Everything like new. I thought 
 I'd tour with it butJust picked up another Riv more in my size 68cm. 
 It's in perfect shape. 

 Here's a list of what's on the bike:

 Sugino XD2 Triple 46x36x24 with 175mm Crank Arms (Pedals Not Included In 
 Sell)
 Tektro Cantilever with new Kool Stop Salmon Pads
 New 9 Speed Cassette
 Nitto Tallux Stem and Riser 13cm
 Nitto Albatross Handle Bars
 Shimano Brake Levers
 Shimano Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar Ends
 New Chain
 Nitto 83 Seat Post (Brooks Saddle Not Included In Sell)
 SKS/ESGE Longboard Silver Fender P65
 Almost New Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700cx50 (less than 100 miles)
 Velocity Synergy 36h Front and Rear Rims Hand Build by Rich Lesnik
 Shimano XT Front Hub
 Shimano LX Rear Hub
 Nitto Front and Rear Campee Racks
 Shimano XT Rear Derailleur
 Shimano 105 Front Derailleur

 Price: $2800.00
 Text me with questions. 480-652-3199
 Will ship. Buyer to pay for packing and actual shipping charges. I'm in 
 northern San Diego
 This Atlantis looks new and rides like a dream
 More photo's here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/68919265@N06/


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KocE9UA1iug/VCWewJaVzqI/APs/l7l_QGI1onE/s1600/photo%2B2.JPG


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[RBW] Re: A different kind of S24O

[Rusty Click]

Be well my friend, and don't succumb to the temptation to do more than you 
should.   You'll be hauling your gear, and traipsing barefoot through the 
woods in no time!

Rusty


On Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:08:57 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A hospital S24O. In for tests, rushed to surgery, appendix removed as it 
 is rupturing (the surgeon made it sound like a poorly written drama where 
 the timing of days and hours all culminates to a matter of seconds. 
 Apparently that is how life sometimes is. Sardonic grin.), overnight (never 
 recommended, and a torturous gauntlet for someone with a bludgeoned brain, 
 but the staff was wonderful and did all they possibly could to accommodate 
 me — a wonderful surprise).

 So now I wait for the abdominal wall to heal. I’m told no strenuous 
 activity for 6 weeks. I managed a walk of a quarter mile this morning 
 (first full day home) after a wonderful night rain. Ahh, the smells of the 
 mountains after a rain in autumn! Hoping to ride the flat-ish road to a 
 flatfish trail and do some non-strenuious walking on the “lowlander” trail 
 in a few days. I’m looking forward to further accessing the healing ways of 
 the bicycle and the near bare foot! Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Crystal Fellow, Nelson Longflap, Tubus Tara

[Rusty Click]

Hi everyone,  thanks for checking out these items I put up for sale.   All 
the items are now sold, pending payment, and will be shipped this week.
If any of the deals fall through, I'll repost the item for sale.  

Thanks,
Rusty

On Saturday, September 13, 2014 4:01:04 PM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote:

 Found some items that need to go, so as to make room for more I guess. 
  Anyway here is a short list for your consideration.

 *Crystal Fellow seat post* :  27.2  used 1 yr with normal insertion marks 
 -- I needed(wanted) a tad more setback -- $50

 *Tubus Tara front low rider rack* (black) : I have some used P-clamps 
 if you want them $50

 *Carradice Nelson Long Flap*(green) :  little used, leather straps show 
 normal wear -- really wanted to like it, but prefer the panniers.  $90 
 includes SQR seat post QR.

 *Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard* tires  700X38 with approx 4300 miles 
  plenty of tread$25 for pair 

 All items shipped CONUS --  paypal OK if you need to, but not preferred 
 Please contact off list for pics 


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[RBW] Re: FS: Crystal Fellow, Nelson Longflap, Tubus Tara

[Rusty Click]

All but the Nittto Crystal Fellow seat post are spoken for, and pending 
payment, will be shipped next week.


Rusty


On Saturday, September 13, 2014 4:01:04 PM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote:

 Found some items that need to go, so as to make room for more I guess. 
  Anyway here is a short list for your consideration.

 *Crystal Fellow seat post* :  27.2  used 1 yr with normal insertion marks 
 -- I needed(wanted) a tad more setback -- $50

 *Tubus Tara front low rider rack* (black) : I have some used P-clamps 
 if you want them $50

 *Carradice Nelson Long Flap*(green) :  little used, leather straps show 
 normal wear -- really wanted to like it, but prefer the panniers.  $90 
 includes SQR seat post QR.

 *Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard* tires  700X38 with approx 4300 miles 
  plenty of tread$25 for pair 

 All items shipped CONUS --  paypal OK if you need to, but not preferred 
 Please contact off list for pics 


 Rusty Click



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[RBW] FS: Crystal Fellow, Nelson Longflap, Tubus Tara

[Rusty Click]

Found some items that need to go, so as to make room for more I guess. 
 Anyway here is a short list for your consideration.

*Crystal Fellow seat post* :  27.2  used 1 yr with normal insertion marks 
-- I needed(wanted) a tad more setback -- $50

*Tubus Tara front low rider rack* (black) : I have some used P-clamps 
if you want them $50

*Carradice Nelson Long Flap*(green) :  little used, leather straps show 
normal wear -- really wanted to like it, but prefer the panniers.  $90 
includes SQR seat post QR.

*Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard* tires  700X38 with approx 4300 miles  plenty 
of tread$25 for pair 

All items shipped CONUS --  paypal OK if you need to, but not preferred 
Please contact off list for pics 


Rusty Click

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[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner

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Hi Andy,
First, I'd like to point out that this was not my Sam.  The owner used the 
local, bike centric social media to spread the word about his stolen S. 
Hillborne. 
Secondly, I agree that it takes a more sophisticated bike thief to 
recognize the prize, and then have the means to defeat the defenses we 
put on them.  It wasn't a coincidence that this happened during the week 
when urban planners from around N. America  were in Pittsburgh to attend 
the Pro Walk/Pro Bike Conference.   More bike people--more nice bikes.   I 
wonder about the, arguably smart bike thief, then strolling into a well 
known bike shop like Thick Bikes, and not expecting some raised eyebrows.   
It will be interesting to get that info when it's out.


Rusty



On Friday, September 12, 2014 5:42:54 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:

 I have no idea how the food chain of locks plays in the typical drug-needy 
 bike thief, they are looking for items to sell fast, at a known price. Here 
 the police responding to a friend's break-in said there are dealer of hot 
 goods that frequent certain convenience store parking lots  and have sort 
 of a fixed price wholesale trade; CDs $3, DVDs $5, laptops $50, and bikes 
 usually trade from junkie thieves for $20. I don't think the aforethought 
 of a cordless angle grinder and ability to spot a secluded-enough bike to 
 chop free occurs in this criminal subset. The good news about this tier of 
 thief is that they are not discriminating, any bike will score them the 
 same price. 

 Someone willing to fight better security of location and locking is a 
 bike-specific thief and those rings do move around regions to hit the 
 value, fill their till and move on before their pattern is clear to 
 enforcement. Info on the guy with Rusty Clicks Sam will be interesting to 
 hear. one of those rings and individuals making contacts locally, 
 establishing a background that built  plausibility for higher volume of 
 parts and frames for sale. They disappear when someone starts asking 
 questions.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh
 On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:

 On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro 
 wrote:

 Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use 
 U-locks-and-cable approaches.  Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock 
 (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the 
 things?

 Simple answer: No. 

 An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see 
 videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC 
 -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It 
 sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched 
 completely.


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 wc ca



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[RBW] Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner

[Rusty Click]

My favorite LBS in Pittsburgh is *Thick Bikes *.  This is not the first 
time they have played a key role in recognizing a stolen bike, and while 
it's up on the rack, notify local police to come and nab the perp!   I go 
out of my way to use them as my LBS when my Sam needs some attention.

*Way to Go, Thick Bikes!*

Stolen Rivendell recovered at Thick Bikes when thieves try to sell it.

stolen bike report:
http://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/bikes-reported-stolen-2014/page/5/#post-301324

arrest photo:
http://instagram.com/p/sx3E1CrKfu/

reunited:
http://instagram.com/p/sx3OAyrKQH/


Rusty Click
Pittsburgh, PA

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[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner

[Rusty Click]

Early on, cutting the tube was assumed on the BikePGH.org thread.  After he 
recovered his Sam, with no damage to the tube, the owner now thinks  the 
thief defeated the U-lock somehow.



On Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:21:32 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 wow! Happy ending, and thanks to a great LBS.

 Did the thief cut the under-tube? 



 On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:33:30 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote:

 My favorite LBS in Pittsburgh is *Thick Bikes *.  This is not the first 
 time they have played a key role in recognizing a stolen bike, and while 
 it's up on the rack, notify local police to come and nab the perp!   I go 
 out of my way to use them as my LBS when my Sam needs some attention.

 *Way to Go, Thick Bikes!*

 Stolen Rivendell recovered at Thick Bikes when thieves try to sell it.

 stolen bike report:
 http://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/bikes-reported-stolen-2014/page/5/#post-301324

 arrest photo:
 http://instagram.com/p/sx3E1CrKfu/

 reunited:
 http://instagram.com/p/sx3OAyrKQH/


 Rusty Click
 Pittsburgh, PA



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[RBW] Re: My Sam Hillborne is literally BOMBPROOF

[Rusty Click]

Jay, ride safe my man.  Thoughts, and non-denominational prayers are with 
you.

Rusty



On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:18:53 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

 4 rocket attacks so far while I've been riding. Sirens go off, 90 seconds 
 where I am to find cover. Much less time farther south. Then lie on your 
 belly or squat againts a wall for 10 minutes until the shrapnel settles. 
 So far not even a scratch. Is it the robust tubing or the Marathon 
 Supremes I've got mounted? 
  
 Seriously, though, it's getting pretty scary over here. A rocket exploded 
 less than half a mile from my apartment this morning. Destroyed someone's 
 house. 
  
 OT responses by PM only please. This isn't the place.  Jim - feel free to 
 delete this if it gets political.
  
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[RBW] Re: racks for sale

[Rusty Click]

Nitto rack spoken for, pending paypal.

Tubus still available.

Thanks to all who've looked.

Rusty

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:24:32 PM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote:

 Spring touring is done, and I'm going back to a Nelson LF and a basket up 
 front to carry my gear.  Subsequently, this leaves me with two racks for 
 sale.  If prices seem 'out-a-whack', please let me know.  If you want to 
 pay more, please let me know.  (grin)

 I have a Nitto Big Back rack(v1), size large at $120 shipped to lower 48,

 and a 

 Tubus Tara low-rider ( one season used) at $65 shipped 

 Maybe both at $170???


 If anyone has interest, please contact offline.

 Rusty
 Pittsburgh


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[RBW] racks for sale

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Spring touring is done, and I'm going back to a Nelson LF and a basket up 
front to carry my gear.  Subsequently, this leaves me with two racks for 
sale.  If prices seem 'out-a-whack', please let me know.  If you want to 
pay more, please let me know.  (grin)

I have a Nitto Big Back rack(v1), size large at $120 shipped to lower 48,

and a 

Tubus Tara low-rider ( one season used) at $65 shipped 

Maybe both at $170???


If anyone has interest, please contact offline.

Rusty
Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

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Hello All,

I had originally planned on flying out for the Gathering, but have 
recently been booked to 'bike escort' some visitors from California, on a 
Pittsburgh to DC ride on the GAP/CO canal trail.  Sorry to miss this, and 
will be waiting for reports and pics to start hitting the site.

Best Wishes to all who make the event.

Rusty
Pittsburgh, PA

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:37:18 AM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:

 I apparently volunteered in the Jamboree thread to start organizing so I'm 
 starting this new thread. 

 Question 1: When? The date in the poll was 7/19, but I've heard requests 
 for 7/12 and 7/26. Send me your vote please or do a poll.

 Question 2: Can you volunteer some time to help move this along? 
 Volunteers could meet and hash out details, or we can try to coordinate by 
 e-mail. Let me know your preference.

 Question 3: What is the wing speed of a swallow?

 Tentative itinerary: China Camp and various meanderings around Marin; trip 
 to RBW and possibly the largest ever Diablo S24O; bbq at Grant's house 
 (just kidding on that one).


 happy trails,
 jim m
 wc ca

 P.S. Revered listmaster Cyclofiend, please pin near the top. Thanks


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[RBW] test ride for a friend

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Is there anyone in Pittsburgh commuting distance, who has a Betty or 
Cheviot?  I have finally convinced a good friend and riding partner to 
consider getting her first Riv, but she would like to try riding one before 
making a purchase decision.  She is sure she wants a step through frame, 
and does quite a few bike trips with us.

Thanks,
Rusty
Pittsburgh,PA

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[RBW] Can't wait for the temps to change..

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I've officially given up wishing for warmer weather to arrive.  It has been 
decided, here and now, that I am loading the Hillborne into the car, and 
heading to Florida.  I plan on arriving in the Jupiter/West Palm area on 
about the 14th.  I am hoping to ride a multi day north on the A1A, and a 
few S24O's, while basing out of a very good friends house in the area.
If any group members are in the area, let's meet and ride a bit.  Beaches, 
coffee shop, sunshine!  WooHoo!   Oh, and by the way, I'm staying on Jekyll 
Island 10th through 12th, if anyone is riding that area.

Rusty
tired of the cold in Pittsburgh, PA

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[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?

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Rode the annual, Icicle Bicycle in Pittsburgh.  An uncharacteristic 30 
degrees at 10am on a partly cloudy day.  Rode my Sam to BigDog Coffee for 
loaded oatmeal, and a cappuccino with some friends.  Only 14.5 miles, but a 
very nice start to the new year.

Rusty

On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Bill Fulford wrote:

 Kennebunk Maine, 19 degrees, felt like 4. Baby it's cold out there. Rode 
 the Hunqapillar and enjoyed the ride.

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[RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

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I've been thinking about this ride since Joan posted in the spring.  May, 
or even early June would be great.  Sign me up!

Rusty

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:02:35 PM UTC-5, BIKIE46 wrote:

  There's not nearly enough Right Coast content here, so I wanted to chime 
 in with the story this trip on my Sam up and down the Delaware (River) 
 Water Gap between upper NJ  PA. (The river forms the state boundary.)  

  Early this past spring, Joan Oppel posted pics of her trip in the Water 
 Gap with a group of eastern Riv owners that included Steve Palincsar, Tom 
 Robinson and others at the annual Cirque du Cylisme in Leesburg, VA. Though 
 I'm 7 hours away from upper PA, down in balmy Richmond, VA, I could not 
 erase the thought of getting to experience that area for myself. Life (and 
 a number of other rides) got in the way and I found 2013 waning, so decided 
 to go for it, driving up on a Tues. so I could ride the trip Wed.  Thurs.

  Temps were in the mid-30's to mid-40's with a reading of 15 degrees on 
 my bike computer on day two when I crawled out of the tent. As ya'll say, 
 pictures prove it happened - text describing the trip is on the Flickr set:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157637953125903/

  I can recommend this area for a near car-free trip. This PDF map of the 
 Water Gap takes a few seconds to load, but gives an excellent idea of the 
 area:

  http://hfc.nps.gov/carto/PDF/DEWAmap1.pdf

 Paul Germain
  Midlothian, Va.
   

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[RBW] Re: Pittsburgh night ride

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Hi Andy,
Great write up on the tuesday ride through Pittsburgh.  Nice pics too!  I 
ride these trails/roads/paths a few times a month, and was vicariously 
riding along with you.  Did you go up 18th street to get to Mt Washington?

I've seen the notices for the tuesday evening rides, but have not yet 
joined in.  Maybe next year.

We've not been to the Tazza D'oro and will have to put it on our 
coffeeneuring list.  Maybe hit it this thursday, or friday.

Rusty C.
Pittsburgh PA

On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:53:21 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:

 A very pleasant group I've ridden with every Tuesday, April through 
 September has now gone dormant for the dark seasons. Several of us have 
 decided to keep up the riding under the cover of darkness. It's become a 
 celebration of generator hubs and LED headlights. We gather at Tazza d'oro 
 coffee and head out for the highs and lows, enjoying the pretty vast 
 infrastructure available off the roadways where possible. 

 We wound our way through the Carnegie Mellon University campus, through a 
 dark Panther Hollow, along the jail trail and the Hot Metal Bridge (named 
 for the one-time cargo of the insulated  railcars taking molten iron or 
 steel across the river to secondary mills) to the South Side. We picked a 
 reasonably desolate path up into the heights of Mount Washington and along 
 the non-view neighborhoods and then crossed the summit line to Grandview 
 Avenue to enjoy the proceeds of our work. 

 Mount Washington had coal seams that were mined horizontally with some 
 opening on the face overlooking town. Chutes delivered it to the riverbank 
 for a simple barge trip to the fires of the steel industry up and down the 
 rivers. Hell with the lid off James Parton wrote in 1868. Certainly 
 different now. This place is now about education, medicine, and technology. 
 Other recent insights include the growing value of the waterfront *
 mileage,* which had been avoided as the uncomfortable place where 
 industry was. Redevelopment has been managed to value those massive tracts 
 and many bikeway miles have been established along them. The Great 
 Allegheny Passage starts at the fountain in Point State Park and runs 
 upstream along the city side of Monongahela (*Mon*) River, crossing the 
 Hot Metal Bridge and continuing to the town of McKeesport where it picks up 
 the Youghiogheny (*Yock*) River along which it runs into the Allegheny 
 Mountains toward Cumberland, MD then Washington DC via the CO Canal 
 towpath; 325 miles. Too much for tonight.

 We descended Sycamore Street (part of the old Thrift Drug Classic and The 
 Dirty Dozenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Dozen_(bicycle_competition)) 
 to Station Square, crossed the very decorative Smithfield Street Bridge to 
 downtown and the jail trail, and back to the start where several of us 
 retired around the corner for a pleasant post ride refreshment and 
 conversation. 

 Nice to keep the positive vibe of the ride group going into dark part of 
 the year. Sure is a glowing plug for lighting, I know it takes little 
 provocation to spill praise for mine. 

 Oh yeah, pictures prove... Pittsburgh Night Ride 
 10/15https://plus.google.com/photos/109160474815391208206/albums/5935300447174770417?authkey=CIjDnr3508GETA

 Andy Cheatham
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[RBW] Re: Randonnerding totally loaded in Vermont and New Hampshire

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Hi Matt,
What a great set of pictures!  My family and I spent 2 weeks in the Newport 
area a couple of years back, and loved the cycling and kayaking.
I've always wanted to do a bike tour in the area, and now you've got that 
itch going again!

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh, PA

On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:02:17 AM UTC-4, Matt Beebe wrote:

 Hi All, just thought I'd share some photos from a recent ride to Vermont. 
I went to the Northeast Kingdom to visit friends not far from the 
 Canadian border, and took a nice route to get there and back.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029278@N07/sets/72157635839369194/

 There are many, many miles of dirt road and snowmobile/ATV trails on the 
 way up there, some smooth, some rocky, but all fun.   Even the paved roads 
 are nice.   The scenery was gorgeous, and the leaves had begun to change 
 already, especially north of White River Junction.The small towns and 
 nice people in Vermont are the best.

 The bike handled perfectly, and the only thing that rattled loose was my 
 mudflap(!) toward the end of the trip on a particularly bumpy section. 
 You may notice I only have one water bottle, but that's because I prefer 
 dromedary bags for carrying most of my water-  the bottle is just a more 
 convenient vessel to drink from :)  

 This was my first fully loaded ride using moustache bars and the Nitto 
 Large back rack, which I bought from Riv a while ago-I had been using a 
 Tubus Cargo prior to this.I found the M-bars to be fantastic for 
 all-day riding.  I had used them before for ~2 hour rides on my QB and 
 reckoned they'd be good for touring, but have always just stuck with 
 Noodles since I know they work well for me. This ride convinced me that 
 M-bars give plenty of hand positions for comfort and work well on bumpy 
 terrain when riding somewhat heavily loaded.   You do need a short stem 
 with M-bars though.

 My only (minor) complaint about the Nitto rack is that platform is much 
 too far back behind the rear axle, and it is difficult to get weight far 
 enough forward with it due to the tombstone being so far back.Sliding 
 the mounting points forward at the top results in the rack tilting forward 
 at an odd angle.   This is strange to me since I ride relatively large 
 frames, and most racks (especially non-adjustable ones) end up tilting 
 backward because of the steep angle of my seat-stays.  The Nitto seems more 
 geared toward frames with ultra-short chainstays, or super-tall frames.
 BUT it is still a ridiculously nice rack though, and I have like 5 inches 
 of heel clearance with it (size 10's) so if you have large feet/ heel 
 clearance issues with your rack it would be a good option.I may go back 
 to the Tubus for future loaded riding, as it seems ideally suited to frames 
 in my size in terms of where the platform is located.I also really like 
 an R14 with the large saddlesack when not riding with panniers.

 Anyway hope you enjoy the photos.

 Matt


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[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

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I cast my vote for the Bay Area.  I like the Riv anniversary connection, 
and I can make it an opportunity to visit my sister out east of Walnut 
Creek.  Not to mention, some nice wineries and brew pubs!

I hope this comes together, and would be willing to come out early to help, 
if needed.


On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:40:24 AM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a 
 year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer 
 to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their 
 bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's 
 local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and 
 ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of thing back in my 
 motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a 
 year or two.  Whatcha'll think?


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[RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen store NOW OPEN.

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These look great Brad!  I placed the order, and can't wait to get em.  I'm 
always up for a cool T-shirt, so if you go ahead with them, I'm in!

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, June 1, 2013 6:15:32 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:

 OK...so after a very overwhelming response...(THANK YOU!!)...I put my wife 
 and daughter to work getting everything packed, labeled, stamped, AND 
 decorated for voyage across the land!

 Learning curve is still in motion but I think we got it down. We did end 
 up having to reopen and audit 60 packages after what we will call the 
 chocolate milk incident that caused some disruption here at the factory. 
 That said, we only identified one error and made correction. ;) If 
 something is off, hit me up.

 Patches sold out. I even came up one short and sent mine to fill it. I'll 
 get more.

 Some have made direct inquires that I will respond to once I get the paid 
 orders sorted. Stay tuned.

 Everything I have orders for as of 4:09 PM Saturday 6/1/13 will be on the 
 road Monday.

 I would like to gauge the interest in the T-shirts.


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[RBW] Re: FS front wheel

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Thanks to all who considered this.

The wheel is sold, and has a new home!

Rusty
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:30:19 PM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote:

 FS, a Rich built, 700c F36 Synergy LX front wheel.  Lonely, and needs a 
 new home.  approx. 3000miles on it.
 Asking $60 shipped US.  Contact off site if interested.

 Rusty


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[RBW] FS front wheel

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FS, a Rich built, 700c F36 Synergy LX front wheel.  Lonely, and needs a new 
home.  approx. 3000miles on it.
Asking $60 shipped US.  Contact off site if interested.

Rusty

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[RBW] Re: RBW values revisited, again.

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Andy,
Congrats on the new Rambouillet, and the cross country.  I missed this 
years annual Keg Ride while my Sam Hillborne sits at Thick Bikes, having 
the rear wheel re-built.  I didn't realize how much I relied on my Sam for 
'getting out there', and, on monday, had to borrow a bike to guide a 
visiting Bombadil owner from MD, from Homestead into the Point, and back. 
 I even told Ed, and his wife Ann, about the keg ride as we finished our 
refreshment at their hotel.

Maybe it's time to amend the, 'one bike' mindset I've been fostering!

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh

On Monday, April 29, 2013 8:28:47 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:

 I am sure I was a boorish early adopter when Grant decided to make a 
 production road variant to keep the Atlantis company. It was everything I 
 was looking for from the perspective of just having sold my '91 RB-1 to 
 finance a better-suited bike. Mostly I wanted the new Rambouillet to ride 
 cross country with a group to whom I had become committed. My wife has even 
 spoken to Grant regarding the whereabouts of my elusive Rambouillet. My 
 contingent alternative was my '92 XO-2 which was great but filled me with 
 questions and fear on each ride greater than thirty miles. My new orange 
 steed arrived the night before I left for Yorktown, VA to join my 
 colleagues for our west-bound national tour and it was so perfect I could 
 have been riding it for five years because of the ease of transition, the 
 fit, the ride, the comfort of living on it for ten to twelve hours a day 
 for a month and a half out of the box. 

 I revisited that immediate impression Saturday when I participated in my 
 neighborhood brewery's annual release of their Pedal Pale Ale and the 
 bicycle procession delivering it to it's first pubic servings. The annual 
 keg ride has become a springtime event on the do-list of riders of all ilk 
 and beer aficionados, capped this year at 650 riders. 

 What I realized as the keg trailer towing ride leaders first pulled out 
 was that my bike had slow speed stability that others did not and that I 
 could ride as others continued to walk, just as I did in NYC at the Five 
 Boros start. I was comfortable at all the speeds during this ride. It 
 reminded me of what first impressed me about this bike all those years ago. 

 It's looking a bit rougher (beausage, PAM?) and is certainly eclipsed in 
 brake reach and tire capacity by newer RBW offerings, but with a new set of 
 46/34 rings, a Superb Pro front derailleur from my drawer of goodies and a 
 NOS Suntour XC Pro short cage rear derailleur from fleabay it was like a 
 new chapter in the same great book was opening. 

 It's a great to have a good decision ratified once again, just thought I'd 
 share. 

 Andy Cheatham
 PIttsburgh, PA


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[RBW] Re: RBW April S24O - My account (long with photos in the beginning...)

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Thanks for the great ride report, and the pics!  I plan on being out in the 
fall, and if the gods are smiling, my visit may overlap one of these 
weekend rides.
At the very least, I'll stop by Riv HQ to ogle some bikes, and maybe even 
borrow one for a ride around Walnut Creek.

Rusty Click
Pittsburgh
 
On Monday, April 29, 2013 8:49:59 PM UTC-4, René wrote:

 Hi all,
  
 As Monday starts winding down, I keep reflecting on the adventure I lived 
 this past weekend when I participated in the RBW guided S24O in Mt. Diablo. 
 It was awesome, epic, hard, full of almost unbearable suffering and 
 indescribable satisfaction, all bundled together by a fantastic group of 
 people and the hosting and guidance of the RBW folk who put it together. It 
 is one thing to come to RBW to shop for stuff or ask for advice, and 
 another to have the chance to share an S24O with them.
  
 The few photos I took are here, for those who don't care to read my 
 verbose account of the ride... http://tinyurl.com/clr2swl - just keep 
 pressing the next button...
  
 Keven was fantastic as the host/leader, and his care and warmth extended 
 to everyone and everything. He also makes quite a ruckus inside his tent at 
 night. He made sure no one needed anything, shared food and utensils (I 
 don't know what I would have done without his stake hammer) and then not 
 only brewed us some great coffee on Sunday when we were back at RBW, but 
 also showed us how to make a delicious heavenly heavy whipped cream. 
  
 Grant brought some wonderful and expensive cheeses that were the 
 centerpiece of the night, at least for those who weren't spammed by Manny. 
 Others brought some amazing salami that was shared by all.
  
 Will and Sean were a lot of fun, and I got to meet Jenny for the first 
 time. Speaking of meeting people for the first time, especially people 
 you've heard so much about, I got to meet Manny! And to find a little gift 
 surprise on my bike on Sunday morning that came from him and made me 
 forgive him for lying about the return trip being all downhill with no 
 climbs! 
  
 Got to meet some other great people for the first or second time and enjoy 
 their company a lot.
  
 We got started quite a bit after 4:00 PM in spite of Keven's dire e-mail 
 warning, and Grant officially opened up the expedition with a loud cowbell 
 ring. Right after a few words and the obligatory (RBW style) legal document 
 where we all signed we wouldn't sue RBW, the group got going through the 
 streets and trails of Walnut Creek and onto Mt. Diablo's North Gate.
  
 By the time I crossed the North Gate with Keven, we were the very last of 
 the group. The sun was hot and as started climbing the six miles to the 
 Junction, it didn't help that we had a tail wind that was basically 
 neutralized by our slow velocity so it felt like there was no wind to cool 
 us down and only the hot sun cooking us. LIttle by little, as I inched 
 forward and Keven kept me company, we climbed until we found the slow group 
 taking a rest. The fast group I never saw again until I made it to the 
 campground after dark, but this slower group I'd meet once or twice more 
 but just couldn't keep up with them on the climbing. 
  
 The climbing... those six miles of climbing to the Junction are a 
 superfest of suffering and amazing views, especially as the sun starts to 
 set and it's just you, surrounded by golden fields of grass, a winding road 
 and the views of the valley below where you started. The first 1000 feet of 
 elevation I pedaled the entire way. Right before the elevation sign, the 
 road becomes quite steep for a section and it was the first time I found 
 Grant and the slower group resting. The second thousand feet of elevation 
 were a mix of pushing the bike and pedaling it, with more pushing than 
 pedaling... And it seems I would never stop climbing. Alone, pushing 
 upwards with few thoughts distracting you. I ran into a very nice lady who 
 was riding her bike up and then down, and who gave me words of 
 encouragement; plenty of roadies going back down most of whom hardly even 
 glanced my loaded bike and my non-lycra attire, and at some point the sun 
 set over the hills, the light was marvelous and I was too tired to pose the 
 bike to look for a shot.
  
 By the time I finally made it to the Junction, I had run out of water (2 
 27oz bottles empty), was dry and was thinking that I'd be by myself and at 
 least now I could finally descend down to the campground. I was surprised 
 to see Grant, Keven and the rest of the slower group waiting, and after 
 filling my bottles with water and drinking some, I asked them how long had 
 they been waiting. Their response was just a few minutes, certainly no more 
 than 4 - 5, which was really a surprise for me. I hadn't been that far 
 behind all along, even though I though they would have crossed the Junction 
 and be down by camp already.
  
 The descent in the dark to the Live Oaks campground

[RBW] Natchez Trace ride

[Rusty Click]

My friend Ed and I decided to stretch out of our S24O comfort zone, and 
planned to ride the Natchez Trace, end to end.  We were camping, but had 
another friend willing to drive a support van for us, which ultimately 
turned our ride from an ordeal, into a positive learning experience.

We had weather delays, and ambitious mileage goals that caused us to 
shorten up to 300 out of 444 possible miles.  We learned a great deal about 
camping, cooking,  packing, and realistic miles per day, when on non 
rail-trail road rides.  Thank goodness for our support!

We met many wonderful people, including an Australian couple, and one of 
their friends, who were on day 45 of an LA to New Orleans, up the 
Underground Railroad route to Niagra Falls, and then down the GAP trail, 
ride to Washington Dulles airport.

My Hillborne rode great, but suffered a fractured rear rim, that wasn't 
discovered till I returned home!  Glad it didn't fail dramatically during 
the ride.

Here (hopefully) are some pics

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcpgh/

Cheers,
Rusty

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[RBW] Re: Little Big Ben first impressions

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Hello Eric,

I'm also looking at putting the Lil Ben's on my Hillborne.  Do they come 
close to the advertised 700X38?  I know the Schwalbe Greenguards I'm 
running are closer to 35's.

BTW, that's a great looking set-up you have there!

Cheers,

Rusty

On Saturday, April 6, 2013 9:13:53 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Was able to get a 35 mile ride today and only got partly soaked by the 
 rain.  Installed the Schwalbe Baby Big Bens on the Hillborne last night.  
 They are definitely heavier than the Marathon Racers they replaced.  Didn't 
 notice then being any slower.  Could be that I'm not fast in the first 
 place.  Didn't do any non-paved riding as it has been too wet.  Was able to 
 ride with confience on the sides of the road where there is a lot of 
 gravel, sand and other detrius leftover from the winter.  Quite a bit more 
 confidence inspiring than the Racers.
  
 Again, it's only one ride, and other folks may have entirely different 
 impressions of the tires.  But I like 'em.  
  
 Photo of them on the Hillborne - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8626421738/in/photostream
  
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


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[RBW] Re: FS 64 cm Atlantis - custom blue

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I'm leaving wednesday to ride the Natchez Trace Trail, and would appreciate 
it if someone would talk Drew out of selling this great looking bike before 
I get back.  I'm very tempted to buy this, but agree with all who've 
replied, that maybe trying some different tires would make it an 
all-rounder for him.

Really, I don't want the temptation when I get back!

Best of luck Drew,

Rusty 

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:52:06 PM UTC-4, drewjensen wrote:

 Hey everyone - I moved to the Boulder area a couple of years ago and there 
 are so many great trails here compared to where I lived in the Bay Area for 
 so long.  I've taken my Atlantis out on them, but my wife has tired of my 
 suggesting new ways to retrofit it to make better use of the trails and so 
 talked me into a Surly Ogre works a little better on the trails around 
 here.  It's not an Atlantis, but I think it's the right tool for this job.

 Alas, though, I need to do the fiscally responsible move and sell off my 
 Atlantis.  I got it in 2006 when they were still Toyo made and had it 
 painted a dark blue that I liked.  I had to save money for it for a couple 
 of years and took great pains to get the best parts I could afford/justify 
 for it.  Really, the only corner I can think that I cut was that I didn't 
 get Phil Wood hubs but I stand behind all of my other choices in putting it 
 together.

 Anyway, it's a sad day, but a necessary one.  If you know anyone looking 
 for a 64 please pass along the information.  If anyone has any questions 
 feel free to ask.  Thanks for your time.

 Drew

 Here's a link to my local CL listing:  
 http://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/3723729971.html




 (note to moderator:  I attempted to use the tag, but got an error 
 indicating that the tag was not for use in this forum)


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[RBW] Re: Introduction

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Hi Kellie, and welcome.  That's a great looking bike.  

I received mine a little over a year ago (green), and love it.  I also like 
all the help and info here on the site.

Rusty


On Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:39:17 PM UTC-5, Kellie Stapleton wrote:

 Just joined this group recently after picking up my new Hillborne from RBW 
 HQ the beginning of Feb. Love the atmosphere here, and my new bike.



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[RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen lapel pin UPDATE

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I'm good for 3 pins, and 3 patches, if they come through!

Thanks for the work on this, now, where's my coffee?



On Friday, March 1, 2013 2:01:14 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote:

 OK I wanted to give an update on this project.

 A new batch of pins has been ordered and I was given a 4 week delivery 
 time. Both previous orders arrived faster, but plan on the full 4. I am 
 awaiting my invoice to determine pricing adjustments.

 I have also sent the artwork for getting a quote on patches. Luckily they 
 do not have to be ordered in high quantity. Pricing and availability TBD.

 After a bunch of research it looks like Bigcartel is the perfect solution 
 for handling the orders. THANK YOU Brian (Benedikt) for that suggestion!! 
 Free pin for you!

 I am in the process of setting up the storefront and when the product 
 arrives, I will add the inventory and post the link here. Simple add to 
 cart and pay. I'll add patches if/when they happen.

 Cheers!


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[RBW] Re: Big Apples for GAP and CO tour

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They may be slow, but only if you're doing this ride in 4 days.  In that 
case, speed might matter.

We've done this ride a handful of times, in both directions, and over 
different time frames.  I highly recommend  it.  You'll have a great time. 
 The scenery and history of the area is wonderful.
If you're not from the Pittsburgh area, and would like an escort to get you 
and your group through the city maze and detours, and onto the main trail, 
we would be glad to lead the way.  We would be available after the 17th.(We 
are riding the Katy Trail at the beginning of the month)

Have a Great Time!!,

Rusty

On Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:21:05 AM UTC-5, shawn wrote:

 I am doing the GAP and CO from Pittsburgh to Washington D.C. in May and 
 was wondering what the opinion was of using 50mm Big Apples for this ride.
 Thanks in advance.
 Shawn 


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[RBW] Re: Speaking of merit badges...Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen

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I too, will save my nickels and would be ordering 4.

Put me on the waiting list!

rusty

On Friday, February 15, 2013 9:05:25 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Wow, must have had too much caffeine this morning...  I just sent you $6 
  HAH!!!  (Don't anybody else try to make me do this... I'm too smart to 
 fall for that, you know!!)

 Sorry, Jinxed... (If you can add me to the waiting list I would appreciate 
 it... THANKS!)

 Bobby *Ready, Fire, Aim* Birmingham

 On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:04:34 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote:

 PLEASE HOLD OFF on any further orders...let me look into creating a 
 proper cart.

 I get in touch with the pin people tomorrow and see what timing and 
 pricing look like now. I will follow up when I have info. I will assume 
 they kept the dies and if production is the same it was @ 3 week turnaround.



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