[RBW] More Problems with Gravel
Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's w/o TG. Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same situation - fast descent on dirt/gravel road with sweeping right turn at the bottom. In both cases there was loose stuff in the turn and my rear wheel just slid out and I was down. Got some road burn but no real damage other than to my dignity. Is it possible this is the result of having the wrong tires, or (what seems more likely) I just don't know how to handle this situation. I don't like the idea of just riding the brake every time I start going down - takes some of the fun out of it. GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Quoting GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com: Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's w/o TG. Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same situation - fast descent on dirt/gravel road with sweeping right turn at the bottom. In both cases there was loose stuff in the turn and my rear wheel just slid out and I was down. Got some road burn but no real damage other than to my dignity. Is it possible this is the result of having the wrong tires, or (what seems more likely) I just don't know how to handle this situation. I don't like the idea of just riding the brake every time I start going down - takes some of the fun out of it. You mean, the part where you slide out on the loose gravel, crash, and then get to debride your wounds? Yes, slowing down will take that fun out of it, but most of us would prefer to skip that part. No tires are going to help you in the situation you describe. What will help is not going too fast to be able to make the turn, and learning how to turn without a lot of lean angle. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
You have the wrong tires. The protocol is to vociferously denounce those tires in every discussion of any relevance to bicycling, especially on the internet. Then try a series of progressively more expensive tires until you have honed your gravel-riding skill to the point where you no longer crash. At that point, you have found The Correct Tire. Just trying to add a diversity of opinion for you to consider. (all joking and good-natured ribbing aside, I agree that learning to turn with minimal leaning is a useful technique in these situations). On Jun 29, 4:56 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's w/o TG. Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same situation - fast descent on dirt/gravel road with sweeping right turn at the bottom. In both cases there was loose stuff in the turn and my rear wheel just slid out and I was down. Got some road burn but no real damage other than to my dignity. Is it possible this is the result of having the wrong tires, or (what seems more likely) I just don't know how to handle this situation. I don't like the idea of just riding the brake every time I start going down - takes some of the fun out of it. GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Quoting Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com: You have the wrong tires. The protocol is to vociferously denounce those tires in every discussion of any relevance to bicycling, especially on the internet. Then try a series of progressively more expensive tires until you have honed your gravel-riding skill to the point where you no longer crash. At that point, you have found The Correct Tire. Just trying to add a diversity of opinion for you to consider. (all joking and good-natured ribbing aside, I agree that learning to turn with minimal leaning is a useful technique in these situations). There is a technological fix for the problem originally presented, but it's not tires. It's Tegaderm. It'll help with the road rash (but not the debridement). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
On Jun 29, 2009, at 4:56 AM, GeorgeS wrote: Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's w/o TG. Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same situation - fast descent on dirt/gravel road with sweeping right turn at the bottom. In both cases there was loose stuff in the turn and my rear wheel just slid out and I was down. Got some road burn but no real damage other than to my dignity. Is it possible this is the result of having the wrong tires, or (what seems more likely) I just don't know how to handle this situation. I don't like the idea of just riding the brake every time I start going down - takes some of the fun out of it. You're riding on loose gravel and some circumspection is necessary. There are no tires that will fix this situation, because your basically riding on ball bearings. In such situations I unclip the inside foot and have it ready to do a three point turn. Just like we did when we were kids practicing skidding around corners. If you want to bomb down descents with no brakes, save that for asphalt or really well-packed gravel (e.g., macadam). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS: 59cm Bleriot,mint
Hi, I have a really mint Bleriot which I am hoping to sell, as I located a 61cm if anyone is interested please drop me a lineit will be built with the following: sugino compact double xd500 crankset, fsa compact front der, real nice wheelset xtr rear hub with dt revolution 2.0/1.5 db spokes synergy rims, xt front revolution spokes rivendell nifty swifty tires, ultegra rear, sram cassette, nitto deluxe stem, ultegra seatpost. N.O.S. xt bottom bracket and nitto noodle bars.tektro 556 brakes. I am looking to get $1500 for the bike, thanks robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Gravel is fun because you can improve your skills without risking a crash. On pavement, you only know you've gone too fast in a corner when you crash. You don't want to do that, so you stay well below the limit. On gravel, you can successively go faster, brake later, etc. If you go just a touch too fast, your front wheel will slide a bit, but it's easy to catch. (If you go way too fast, you crash, of course.) When you brake hard (front brake only, of course), the front wheel will begin to lock up, and you release the brake again, and traction is restored. With time, you'll hone your skills and get faster and faster, without falling. One secret is to be smooth on the bike. I've seen people crash who were following my line, going at my speed. They must have done something differently. Of course, it helps to have a bike that doesn't dive into corners, but reacts in a linear fashion to your inputs. Snow works even better - less traction, so it's even more forgiving, plus it's soft if you do fall. Ice has too little traction to be of much use with standard tires. On ice, I just stop pedaling, coast and don't move the bars, until I am across. If the ice patch is too long, a fall is almost inevitable. The skills you learn on gravel and snow do transfer onto the road. You learn what it feels like when the bike is about to lose traction, so you can approach the limit on the road as well. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly 140 Lakeside Ave #C Seattle WA 98122 http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Pasela Question
I posted this on another thread by didn't get any answers. Anyone ride T-servs before? How do they compare with Paselas? Thanks! On Jun 28, 8:38 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:51 -0700, hihi wrote: I have what may be a stupid question about Paselas. When people say they prefer the non tourguard Paselas, does that mean the steel bead Paselas? When I say that, that's exactly what I mean. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
I have read/heard but not personally experienced that the T-serve has a beefier, thicker tread and sidewall, and is thus is more durable but less pleasant to ride. In short, more of an urban/commuter tire. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Beardpapa Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:05 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Any difference between Pasela's and T -serv's. Thinking of getting T-serv's in 35. Anyone have experience with both? MichaelH wrote: My daily commute includes ten miles of dirt roads, with three significant downhills. I have found that the Pasella 32s do better than Ruffy Tuffys on dirt. My wife uses the 35s. In winter and spring I use a 37 mm Avocet Cross Tire which works great. Downhill on dirt requires a different technique than on pavement. On pavement I get a good grip on the center of the bars, one knee against the top tube and tuck my head down to build speed and minimize the possibility of front end shimmy. But that doesn't work on dirt. Instead, set your feet at 3 9:00 o'clock, lift your touche of the seat but keep your knees flexible. Don't hold onto the bars, but instead keep them lightly hooked over the outside of the brake levers. Relax. If done right, very little of the bounce will get transferred to your body. Michael On Jun 27, 8:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I've done a fair bit of Minnesota/Wisconsin bluff-country gravel on my Marathon Supremes (26x2.0). They offer plenty of traction, and I always felt confident even on fast descents. A friend did the great divide on Marathon XR 700x50, and thought they were ok, but on the heavy side. On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Pasela Question
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Beardpapagts...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this on another thread by didn't get any answers. Anyone ride T-servs before? How do they compare with Paselas? I've got the tservs PTs with the reflective strip on our tandem. They are more rigid than the skin-wall paselas but they ride nicely. 32s are pretty true to size on a velocity dyad. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Glorious setup...
I've been riding my 58 riv mixte for the past 2 years, trying various setups, trying to get it nicely dialed in. To me, the main focus of the mixte is a comfortable ride. If I want to go faster (or carry lots of stuff), I have other bikes. When I'm riding the mixte in a fully upright position, the pedals feel too far back; I keep feeling like I want the pedals more forward (e.g. semi-recumbent). When riding in a more forward position, the pedals are in the right position, but then the comfort on the bars is minimized somewhat. Stem is a 12 Albatross bars Crystal Fellow seat post and a Velo Orange Mod 8 saddle, shoved all the way back. (I started with a Brooks B33, and the back of my legs did NOT like this saddle at all. The VO8, while the springs are a little noisy, is very comfortably shaped.) I have been thinking about swapping the 12 stem for a much shorter (8?) stem, and swapping the Crystal Fellow with a post that will place the saddle at least 4cm further back. Will I likely gain comfort in the upright position? Will I lose the advantages I'm enjoying in my forward position? Any comments/experience on this is welcome. Thanks, Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
on 6/29/09 2:56 AM, GeorgeS at chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's w/o TG. Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same situation - fast descent on dirt/gravel road with sweeping right turn at the bottom. In both cases there was loose stuff in the turn and my rear wheel just slid out and I was down. Got some road burn but no real damage other than to my dignity. Is it possible this is the result of having the wrong tires, or (what seems more likely) I just don't know how to handle this situation. I don't like the idea of just riding the brake every time I start going down - takes some of the fun out of it. Gravel can be pretty tricky. Here are a few thoughts which may (or may not) help. (Disclaimer - I've logged a few hours on mtb's and trails, spent more than a few hours cleaning up wounds and spent a goodly amount of time pondering what I did wrong while lying in a dusty, sweaty heap on the trailside.) My elbow/trail interface sessions usually happen when I've been riding a lot of good, grippy pavement and then get onto a dry, loose trail. I brake too hard, at the wrong time and expect more adhesion out of my tires. Relaxation will cure a lot of evils. Your bike basically wants to stay upright and your mass is moving forward, so if you can keep loose and get the bike back under you, chances are you'll come out of it OK. There are countless times when I've seen riders just barely start to break the rear wheel loose when they either go rigid or just figure it's all over. End result is a cloud of dust and dermal abrasion. If you find some of the classic Repack footage, you can see good examples of bikes getting way sideways under riders. Granted, there may have been relaxation assistance but the riding skills are significant. http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/mtbwelcome.htm http://www.klunkerz.com/ You'll need some technique. It's important to know when you'll lose adhesion. I'll stab the rear brake a bit when I'm under control to see what I can get away with on a given trail. Remember, as soon as you start skidding, you're accellerating. You are better off scrubbing speed before you need to. I'd probably play a little with both front and rear skidding conditions so that you get used to it and don't think that the game's over just because your tire isn't locked onto the road surface. Look where you want to go. As soon as you look at the ground, you'll go down. If you opt for the tripod approach, get your foot ahead of you, punch the ground hard and get it back on the pedal quickly. If you went down without touching the brakes, then you went in with too much speed for your conditions and abilities. If you tapped the brakes and found yourself looking at the sky, you braked too hard and didn't keep the bike under you. There should be little, if any weight on your saddle whilst engaging in loose condition descending. hope that helps! - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Pasela Question
Thanks Seth! On Jun 29, 10:58 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Beardpapagts...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this on another thread by didn't get any answers. Anyone ride T-servs before? How do they compare with Paselas? I've got the tservs PTs with the reflective strip on our tandem. They are more rigid than the skin-wall paselas but they ride nicely. 32s are pretty true to size on a velocity dyad. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel
Thanks Steve. Appreciate that. On Jun 29, 10:54 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I have read/heard but not personally experienced that the T-serve has a beefier, thicker tread and sidewall, and is thus is more durable but less pleasant to ride. In short, more of an urban/commuter tire. Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Beardpapa Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:05 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires for Gravel Any difference between Pasela's and T -serv's. Thinking of getting T-serv's in 35. Anyone have experience with both? MichaelH wrote: My daily commute includes ten miles of dirt roads, with three significant downhills. I have found that the Pasella 32s do better than Ruffy Tuffys on dirt. My wife uses the 35s. In winter and spring I use a 37 mm Avocet Cross Tire which works great. Downhill on dirt requires a different technique than on pavement. On pavement I get a good grip on the center of the bars, one knee against the top tube and tuck my head down to build speed and minimize the possibility of front end shimmy. But that doesn't work on dirt. Instead, set your feet at 3 9:00 o'clock, lift your touche of the seat but keep your knees flexible. Don't hold onto the bars, but instead keep them lightly hooked over the outside of the brake levers. Relax. If done right, very little of the bounce will get transferred to your body. Michael On Jun 27, 8:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I've done a fair bit of Minnesota/Wisconsin bluff-country gravel on my Marathon Supremes (26x2.0). They offer plenty of traction, and I always felt confident even on fast descents. A friend did the great divide on Marathon XR 700x50, and thought they were ok, but on the heavy side. On Jun 25, 4:47 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I don't regularly ride on dirt or gravel except when I come to Vermont in the summer. Now I'm riding on gravel all the time and I find descents in particular very unpleasant. Lots of bouncing around and skittishness. One of my bikes has 700c Grand Bois tires and the other has Ruffy Tuffy's. I have plenty of clearance on both bikes. Are there tires that will make me feel more comfortable that won't break the bank? Jack Browns? Fatty somethings? GeorgeS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Light touring and Hilsens
http://web.archive.org/web/20041211045554/http://www.koopmann.lightup.net/crane/ I just read about these guys on the CR list and found the above link. Two cousins from Great Britain bike to the Centre of the World.. (somewhere in China...through Gobi desert, Tibet, Himalayas?). They did it on lightweight Raleigh racing bikes (753 tubing). Although they traveled lightly, their bikes didn't fall apart so I'm pretty certain the Hilsen will be fine on a trip around Mt. Adams. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: seat bag support
Peter White just got a shipment of Bagmans. Mine works great with my Barley. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Circumference of Jack Brown
I got 2.173 with an unweighted roll-out. JB Green with moderate wear on a Mavic Open Pro rim. Anyone know the approx circumference of the Jack Browns on a Mavic Open Pro? I need to program an odometer, but don't have a ruler handy. Thanks. Aaron --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: seat bag support
Hi Roger, I have a velo orange support if you are interested. Never mounted but taken out of plastic. Yours for $35 shipped to CONUS. Let me know if that is of interest. Thanks, Clayton Scott San Francisco On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Roger and Carolyn SKALLERUD rcska...@msn.com wrote: I need a seatbag support to level my Carradice Nelson and Baggins Little Joe on a Bleriot and Riv. When they are attached to the seat and seatpost stuff keeps falling out of the pockets on the Carradice, I need to level it up, what works best? Roger Skallerud South Dakota --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Pasela Question
I found the TServ's very dicey in wet conditions. They're sluggish because they're very rugged and the profile is somewhat pointed instead of being nicely rounded. Perhaps unfairly, I view them as being partially responsible for a nasty crash on an off-camber turn in the pouring rain -- so I stopped using them. I much prefer Pasela's, which have a more-rounded profile. I mostly use the non-Tourguard (wire bead) Pasela's. On Jun 29, 11:51 am, Beardpapa gts...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this on another thread by didn't get any answers. Anyone ride T-servs before? How do they compare with Paselas? Thanks! On Jun 28, 8:38 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:51 -0700, hihi wrote: I have what may be a stupid question about Paselas. When people say they prefer the non tourguard Paselas, does that mean the steel bead Paselas? When I say that, that's exactly what I mean. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: SoCal June S24O
Took the Protovelo off the kickstand this morning, and the rear tire was flat! Best time to get a flat after a long riding weekend: the next morning at home. Besides that and the bug bites on my ankles, we came out unscathed. The climbing and descents were the highlights of the trip. Especially on dirt through the state park. Dustin and I both used different versions of the Nitto Campee front rack with lowrider mounts. Some conversations about those racks are unfolding here, with more photos of the racks forthcoming this evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3669986757/ On Jun 28, 9:54 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: We had a great time. One-night bike camping, where you begin at your door, is something more people should do. Dustin and I noticed how people seemed to waved at us and started conversations about our tour. Some people seemed surprised that we weren't coming down from Canada or from the East Coast. Dustin got the most miles in, at about 184, I'd say. He had about 30 miles on me for the weekend. Thanks to Doug for the local knowledge and cool David got to come out for the day. Here are some photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157620704428254/ On Jun 28, 7:03 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: David: Great pix, as always. That scruffy vagrant following you is certainly worth keeping an eye on - did he swipe your luggage when you weren't looking? We went back to the office this AM to pay our fee no one was home, so we bagged a freebie. Traffic was nada compared to yesterday so we sailed thru Laguna. We stayed together down to Laguna Niguel then I went inland while Dustin Esteban kept down PCH. Great fun and a simple event to do. dougP _ From: David Estes [mailto:cyclotour...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 1:19 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch; Esteban del Rio; Doug Peterson; Dustin Sharp Subject: SoCal June S24O http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157620523556167/ Four riders starting at from disparate points in SoCal, converging on Crystal Cove/El Moro State Park. I railed to Irvine and then rode west and south with Doug. We discussed the secret knowledge of OC which is pretty cool, then questioined the tastes of the filthy rich while riding down to Laguna Beach. Dustin and Esteban had the long 85mile ride up from San Diego. We met up at four o'clock and had dinner and really good $3 pints of local ale and Guinness. I then kept riding south to Dana Point to connect with some friends for a ride home while they procurred camping supplies (more beer) and headed back up the coast to the camp ground. Reports of their adventures should be forthcoming! July ride is planned for San Diego, so keep your calendars open -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: seat bag support
That's an excellent price, saving you about $15 over an order new from VO. I use one, and it's very good. On 6/29/09, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Roger, I have a velo orange support if you are interested. Never mounted but taken out of plastic. Yours for $35 shipped to CONUS. Let me know if that is of interest. Thanks, Clayton Scott San Francisco On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Roger and Carolyn SKALLERUD rcska...@msn.com wrote: I need a seatbag support to level my Carradice Nelson and Baggins Little Joe on a Bleriot and Riv. When they are attached to the seat and seatpost stuff keeps falling out of the pockets on the Carradice, I need to level it up, what works best? Roger Skallerud South Dakota -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Light touring and Hilsens
Rob, thanks for the link. I'll be spending more time reading over those pages in the coming days. --mike On Jun 29, 9:53 am, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: http://web.archive.org/web/20041211045554/http://www.koopmann.lightup... I just read about these guys on the CR list and found the above link. Two cousins from Great Britain bike to the Centre of the World.. (somewhere in China...through Gobi desert, Tibet, Himalayas?). They did it on lightweight Raleigh racing bikes (753 tubing). Although they traveled lightly, their bikes didn't fall apart so I'm pretty certain the Hilsen will be fine on a trip around Mt. Adams. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Quickbeam and Fenders
I've installed SKS fenders on my Quickbeam and now I have to detach the rear fender stays to remove the rear wheel, either to reverse the wheel or to fix a flat. Is there any way around having to do this and, if not, does anyone have any tricks to make the procedure less time consuming? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Fenders
The key is to leave enough room on the rear stays to be able to loosen the fender and slide it back. This works best with plastic or wood fenders. Others will have to chime in on metal fenders, as I've seen a few alum steel clad Quickbeams out in the wild. I have plastic wood for the QB: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3471738520/sizes/l/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Jun 29, 3:22 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: I've installed SKS fenders on my Quickbeam and now I have to detach the rear fender stays to remove the rear wheel, either to reverse the wheel or to fix a flat. Is there any way around having to do this and, if not, does anyone have any tricks to make the procedure less time consuming? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Fenders
If you're using Phil hubs, you should be able to remove the axle nuts all the way, in which case the wheel will drop straight down. Not sure about the stock hubs. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Jun 29, 2009, at 3:22 PM, R Gonet wrote: I've installed SKS fenders on my Quickbeam and now I have to detach the rear fender stays to remove the rear wheel, either to reverse the wheel or to fix a flat. Is there any way around having to do this and, if not, does anyone have any tricks to make the procedure less time consuming? --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the country variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is critical to my safety. Thanks though for the input. GeorgeS On Jun 29, 12:19 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 6/29/09 2:56 AM, GeorgeS at chobur...@gmail.com wrote: Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's w/o TG. Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same situation - fast descent on dirt/gravel road with sweeping right turn at the bottom. In both cases there was loose stuff in the turn and my rear wheel just slid out and I was down. Got some road burn but no real damage other than to my dignity. Is it possible this is the result of having the wrong tires, or (what seems more likely) I just don't know how to handle this situation. I don't like the idea of just riding the brake every time I start going down - takes some of the fun out of it. Gravel can be pretty tricky. Here are a few thoughts which may (or may not) help. (Disclaimer - I've logged a few hours on mtb's and trails, spent more than a few hours cleaning up wounds and spent a goodly amount of time pondering what I did wrong while lying in a dusty, sweaty heap on the trailside.) My elbow/trail interface sessions usually happen when I've been riding a lot of good, grippy pavement and then get onto a dry, loose trail. I brake too hard, at the wrong time and expect more adhesion out of my tires. Relaxation will cure a lot of evils. Your bike basically wants to stay upright and your mass is moving forward, so if you can keep loose and get the bike back under you, chances are you'll come out of it OK. There are countless times when I've seen riders just barely start to break the rear wheel loose when they either go rigid or just figure it's all over. End result is a cloud of dust and dermal abrasion. If you find some of the classic Repack footage, you can see good examples of bikes getting way sideways under riders. Granted, there may have been relaxation assistance but the riding skills are significant. http://sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/mtbwelcome.htmhttp://www.klunkerz.com/ You'll need some technique. It's important to know when you'll lose adhesion. I'll stab the rear brake a bit when I'm under control to see what I can get away with on a given trail. Remember, as soon as you start skidding, you're accellerating. You are better off scrubbing speed before you need to. I'd probably play a little with both front and rear skidding conditions so that you get used to it and don't think that the game's over just because your tire isn't locked onto the road surface. Look where you want to go. As soon as you look at the ground, you'll go down. If you opt for the tripod approach, get your foot ahead of you, punch the ground hard and get it back on the pedal quickly. If you went down without touching the brakes, then you went in with too much speed for your conditions and abilities. If you tapped the brakes and found yourself looking at the sky, you braked too hard and didn't keep the bike under you. There should be little, if any weight on your saddle whilst engaging in loose condition descending. hope that helps! - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 16:00 -0700, GeorgeS wrote: Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the country variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is critical to my safety. Yes. Tegaderm bandages. Best damn thing that's ever happened to road rash. Seriously. Beyond that, obviously you need a new 650B bike capable of using Hetre tires. You could cheap out and get one of those Rawlands Sogn blems for $350, or maybe a Kogswell P/R, and they'd be perfectly satisfactory, but instead I'm going to suggest you go for a Tournesol Pave. Maybe in Titanium. Or, pity they're not made any more, to stay in the Riv family look for either a Bleriot or a Saluki. And no I do NOT mean a Hilsen, because they take the wrong size tires. I mean one of the 650B bikes. (Are you listening, Grant? You were right then, and you are wrong now!) And then, learn how to ride on gravel so that you don't crash so often. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
And Salukis come in canti version which lets you put really fatso tires in From: Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com Or, pity they're not made any more, to stay in the Riv family look for either a Bleriot or a Saluki. And no I do NOT mean a Hilsen, because they take the wrong size tires. I mean one of the 650B bikes. (Are you listening, Grant? You were right then, and you are wrong now!) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:14 -0700, Bruce wrote: And Salukis come in canti version which lets you put really fatso tires in Like mine, with Hetres: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
In a message dated 6/29/2009 7:27:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, palin...@his.com writes: Beyond that, obviously you need a new 650B bike That's obvious. Definitely a new bike! Whichever one you decide on, don't make the mistake of telling your wife that this new expensive bike will solve the problem and you'll never need another bike. Wives remember that. Mine is still reminding me of this foolish statement - ten years and 5 bikes later. Just between the two of us, use some common sense and use your brakes. Bill Louisville, Ky **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823281x1201398699/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd= JunestepsfooterNO62) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Fenders
Round up another pair of the black plastic quick release clips that came with the SKS fender set (the ones intended for use on the front fender stays). They'll allow you to pop the rear stays out and remove the wheel. RBW probably has them, but you could try your LBS first. hope this helps, -Jay Asheville, NC On Jun 29, 6:22 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: I've installed SKS fenders on my Quickbeam and now I have to detach the rear fender stays to remove the rear wheel, either to reverse the wheel or to fix a flat. Is there any way around having to do this and, if not, does anyone have any tricks to make the procedure less time consuming? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Pasela Question
Great, thanks Nick. I opted for the Pasela's and put in my order with my LBS. On Jun 29, 2:39 pm, Nick Bull nick.bike.b...@gmail.com wrote: I found the TServ's very dicey in wet conditions. They're sluggish because they're very rugged and the profile is somewhat pointed instead of being nicely rounded. Perhaps unfairly, I view them as being partially responsible for a nasty crash on an off-camber turn in the pouring rain -- so I stopped using them. I much prefer Pasela's, which have a more-rounded profile. I mostly use the non-Tourguard (wire bead) Pasela's. On Jun 29, 11:51 am, Beardpapa gts...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this on another thread by didn't get any answers. Anyone ride T-servs before? How do they compare with Paselas? Thanks! On Jun 28, 8:38 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:51 -0700, hihi wrote: I have what may be a stupid question about Paselas. When people say they prefer the non tourguard Paselas, does that mean the steel bead Paselas? When I say that, that's exactly what I mean. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Steve, I don't understand. My understanding is that the Saluki functionally still exists in that the AHH in sizes 58 and below is just a Saluki by a new name. The only thing I see not being made now that was made before are the following two things: 1) Sidepull Salukis (whether they are called Salukis or AHH's) with 650B wheels in the 60 and 62 cm frame sizes, and 2) Salukis with cantilever brake option Is the loss of either or both of these things what you are objecting to? Because it looks to me that if your frame size is from 47 to 58, the AHH offered is identical to what used to be the sidepull Saluki, and that bike is very similar to the Bleriot (excluding sizes 59 and 61). -James On Jun 29, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: Or, pity they're not made any more, to stay in the Riv family look for either a Bleriot or a Saluki. And no I do NOT mean a Hilsen, because they take the wrong size tires. I mean one of the 650B bikes. (Are you listening, Grant? You were right then, and you are wrong now!) And then, learn how to ride on gravel so that you don't crash so often. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:23 -0700, James Warren wrote: Steve, I don't understand. My understanding is that the Saluki functionally still exists in that the AHH in sizes 58 and below is just a Saluki by a new name. The Hilsen is a 700C bike except in small sizes, where it is 650B. In other words, the new Riv position is that 650B is just a way of working around the difficulty in fitting wide tires into little frames. It goes a bit further than that as well. The target tire for the Hilsen is the slightly-larger-than-32mm Jack Brown. IMHO where 650B really comes into its own is with the 38-42mm tires. I ride 32mm tires on my Velo Orange. I'm no stranger to 32mm tires. I'll take a 32mm onto a dirt road if I'm forced to, but I'm not going to go seeking out dirt roads for the sheer joy of it with a tire that narrow and (for me) that skittish and insecure. I'll go out of my way to ride my Saluki and my Kogswell on dirt roads. The only thing I see not being made now that was made before are the following two things: 1) Sidepull Salukis (whether they are called Salukis or AHH's) with 650B wheels in the 60 and 62 cm frame sizes, and And since 60cm is my size, you can see why I might feel the way I do. 2) Salukis with cantilever brake option I'm good with both canti's and centerpulls. Is the loss of either or both of these things what you are objecting to? Because it looks to me that if your frame size is from 47 to 58, the AHH offered is identical to what used to be the sidepull Saluki, and that bike is very similar to the Bleriot (excluding sizes 59 and 61). Where you stand depends on where you sit. And for me, that happens to be in the 59-60cm range. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Aluminum Fenders on a Bleriot
A few questions regarding this: 1. Do fenders (45mm wide +) fit better with Silver or somesuch wide sidepulls than they do with the DiaCompe CPs? 2. Anyone running the Hetres under fenders on their Bleriot? Cheers, Colin Cummings Amarillo, TX --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS: 58cm QB
Rivlovers, Last ditch effort before this goes on the bay... Green QB, 58cm, good condition, frame/headset/BB only: $750. Shipping not included. Pics: http://tinyurl.com/m3kks9 Cheers, Colin Cummings --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Steve, What fenders are those on your Saluki with the Hetres? thanks, JimD On Jun 29, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:14 -0700, Bruce wrote: And Salukis come in canti version which lets you put really fatso tires in Like mine, with Hetres: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Fenders
Jay: I like that idea. Have you actually tried it? I'm wondering if you can pull the fender up and back enough to release the wheel, given that the fender is attached to the seat stay bridge. On Jun 29, 9:13 pm, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote: Round up another pair of the black plastic quick release clips that came with the SKS fender set (the ones intended for use on the front fender stays). They'll allow you to pop the rear stays out and remove the wheel. RBW probably has them, but you could try your LBS first. hope this helps, -Jay Asheville, NC On Jun 29, 6:22 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: I've installed SKS fenders on my Quickbeam and now I have to detach the rear fender stays to remove the rear wheel, either to reverse the wheel or to fix a flat. Is there any way around having to do this and, if not, does anyone have any tricks to make the procedure less time consuming? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel
Is the loss of either or both of these things what you are objecting to? Because it looks to me that if your frame size is from 47 to 58, the AHH offered is identical to what used to be the sidepull Saluki, and that bike is very similar to the Bleriot (excluding sizes 59 and 61). Where you stand depends on where you sit. And for me, that happens to be in the 59-60cm range. That's interesting. I am a 64 or 65 cm frame rider so the 650B phenomenon and my interests never crossed paths. I've just been enjoying the broadening of the usage spectrum for bikes that take 700C wheels. -James (still sweaty from the evening ride on the 55 cm MB-4, still with really low, really long stem and flat bars. I'm long and horizontal on that bike.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Light touring and Hilsens
Those Brits are hardy souls. There's another tale, in a book titled Sting in the Tail: By Racing Bicycle Around the World written by Peter Kuker (Pelham Books, 1973). The book describes the author's solo ride on a Raleigh Professional racing bicycle around the world with a kit of around 20 lbs. I don't think that many would attempt such an adventure, but there's always someone! Jim On Jun 29, 3:04 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Rob, thanks for the link. I'll be spending more time reading over those pages in the coming days. --mike On Jun 29, 9:53 am, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: http://web.archive.org/web/20041211045554/http://www.koopmann.lightup... I just read about these guys on the CR list and found the above link. Two cousins from Great Britain bike to the Centre of the World.. (somewhere in China...through Gobi desert, Tibet, Himalayas?). They did it on lightweight Raleigh racing bikes (753 tubing). Although they traveled lightly, their bikes didn't fall apart so I'm pretty certain the Hilsen will be fine on a trip around Mt. Adams. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Aluminum Fenders on a Bleriot
Hetre + Bleriot: http://www.veloweb.ca/mybikepages/blerioso.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/tylerphelps/3507349029/ I don't have experience with the Dia-Compe brakes, but the Silvers will fit 45mm honjos just fine. -Gino p.s. to all list members: search the archives before posting questions. There's a massive knowledge base at this point that answer lots of general questions! I've answered this one at least thrice now. :-) On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:18 PM, colin p. cummings colinthehip...@gmail.com wrote: A few questions regarding this: 1. Do fenders (45mm wide +) fit better with Silver or somesuch wide sidepulls than they do with the DiaCompe CPs? 2. Anyone running the Hetres under fenders on their Bleriot? Cheers, Colin Cummings Amarillo, TX --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Childrens bikes
Oh, this is a challenge! You are lucky that you are dealing with an eleven year old as the options are much better. I have an 8 year old and could not find a road bike to fit his 52 height. I got him a Fuji dynamite and replaced the knobby tires with schwab marathon ones. No comfort issues. This is a 14 speed bike that replaced a Trek MT 60 6 speed. He has to work 3 times as hard when I bring him on club rides because his bike weighs about twice as mine. In other words, his bike weighs around 32 lbs and he weighs around 42 pounds (yes, he is skinny). I think you have to approach fit issues as if he were an adult. It is a plus that he is sensitive and aware enough to give you relevant feedback. Don't ask me what I had to go through to get my Tandem to fit! Cheers! Chris On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Jay Sinnsinn...@gmail.com wrote: I put my 11 year old son on a Giant MTX 225. Mostly to teach him about shifting and hand brakes. He is already asking about a more comefortable seat and different bars. :) http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-AU/bikes/kids/2191/31884/zoom/ What do RBW owners put their children on? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Circumference of Jack Brown
On Jun 29, 10:45 am, Phil B phi...@sonic.net wrote: I got 2.173 with an unweighted roll-out. JB Green with moderate wear on a Mavic Open Pro rim. I use the lookup table that Cateye provides: 700x32C is 2155mm, and 700x35C is 2168mm. Therefore, 700x33.333C must be 2161mm. :) Seriously though, to elucidate on the level of precision we're discussing here, even if I messed up and programmed in the 2086mm figure for a 700x20C tire when I really meant 2161mm for my JBs, the error is only -3.5% (i.e., the meter will read 3.5% lower than actual speed). That means that at an actual speed of 31mph, the meter will read 1 mph slower at 30mph. The figure for 2155mm and 2168mm is even smaller at -0.3% and +0.3% respectively so yes, you'll be off by 0.1mph at an actual speed of 30.0mph. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Aluminum Fenders on a Bleriot
Dia-Compe centerpulls fit much better. I had the Silvers on my Bleriot w/45m Berthouds and made the switch to the DC's. When I gripped the levers tightly with the Silvers the front fender noticeably moved up front (not a lot but there was movement). Would have likely been fine but there's ton's of room with the centerpulls. Never tried Hetres but guessing it would be tight with 45mm fenders. I'm running Schwalbe Marathons (39ish) and it's about as close as I'd care to get. Rob Markwardt On Jun 29, 9:44 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: Hetre + Bleriot:http://www.veloweb.ca/mybikepages/blerioso.htmlhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/tylerphelps/3507349029/ I don't have experience with the Dia-Compe brakes, but the Silvers will fit 45mm honjos just fine. -Gino p.s. to all list members: search the archives before posting questions. There's a massive knowledge base at this point that answer lots of general questions! I've answered this one at least thrice now. :-) On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:18 PM, colin p. cummings colinthehip...@gmail.com wrote: A few questions regarding this: 1. Do fenders (45mm wide +) fit better with Silver or somesuch wide sidepulls than they do with the DiaCompe CPs? 2. Anyone running the Hetres under fenders on their Bleriot? Cheers, Colin Cummings Amarillo, TX- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
