Re: [RBW] Re: Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

[Lungimsam]

That rack/basket setup has Hill Bubba written all over it. Dont know if its his 
or not. I would think hed be out on the Appaloosa these days.

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[RBW] WTT 27.2 NITTO SEATPOST for 26.8 NITTO SEATPOST

[southernaut]

I have a 27.2 NITTO DYNAMIC 626 CRYSTAL FELLOW series seatpost (long 300cm) 
that I would like to *TRADE* for a 26.8 NITTO S83 seatpost.  I also have a 
couple NITTO stems: 90 Dynamic, 90 Technomic (tall) and 110 lengths if that 
is of interest as trade as well (or sell!)

thanks,

southernaut

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[RBW] Wheel not centered?

[Guil Felix]

I would agree with the others on checking the dish of the wheel, one thing that 
I have seen a few times is that a bent axle will skew a wheel wierdly in the 
frame.

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Re: [RBW] Wheel not centered?

[Chris Chen]

The wheel should be centered, definitely. Re-dish it?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Zack  wrote:

> Hey All -
>
> Question for ya.
>
> I have a 64 cm canti Sam, I switched tires to Rock n Roads, and I don't
> have enough clearance between the chainstays. Plenty of room everywhere
> else.
>
> The odd part of it is the wheel is closer to the left chainstay than to
> the right. It's not a huge difference, maybe 4-5 mm, but I feel like if the
> wheel was centered, the tires would fit. I double checked to make sure the
> tire was sitting correctly in the dropouts, no dice.
>
> Any ideas on why the tire might not be centered between the stays?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Lynne Fitz]

hi Drew, see my posting above... (saddle I could sell)

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Re: [RBW] CLEARCOAT o'er baremetal & why we don't do it anymore

[Steven Sweedler]

I had a frame powder coated without color pigment and had plenty of rust
underneath. I also had a color powdercoated frame with rust underneath the
top tube, it was redone after cleaning  it up and a zinc primer was used.
So far seems fine. Steve

On Friday, March 18, 2016, masmojo  wrote:

> I think the only real advantage to the clear would be it being cheap & at
> least if it's rusting you can see it. Painted,  but especially powder
> coated frames can be rusting underneath,  with a painted frame it will show
> quickly. I've had powder coated frames that look good,  but the coating was
> not adhered to the metal and would come off in big chunks.   I like the raw
> look, but generally paint looks better,  if I got titanium I would go
> paintless.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[James Warren]

But it's only good on Rivs of orange color in California! This one would make me 3 for 3 in that color. The other two:Orange QB from Walnut Creek to RedlandsOrange Hillborne (my own that I sold to the buyer in San Luis Obispo)Will Hugh add to this orange trend?These bikes really class up the roof rack! (Truck-bed rack, actually)-Original Message-
From: "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
Jim's service is rated highly, not a scratch!On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:39:35 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:Ready for some evil, Hugh? As far as the bike shipping goes, I'm gonna be in Pleasanton in 3 weeks. If you were to buy this Ram, I could easily pick it up and drop it off to your house on my way home on Sunday April 10.On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:Yeah packing parts and more trips to USPS not that tempting :^)
On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:Sell that off to help subsidize!On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:Well I just need a F/F as I already have a Campy group for it. Its a beauty though. 
On Mar 16, 2016 7:25 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:Aren't you sorry you asked now! Hugh, that is perfect! Campy triple, Brooks, Nitto... wow!On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:Amazing at codependancy :)
you guys are amazing

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Michael Hechmer]

Cecily, I am very happy to read that you are riding again.  Yea!  I'm not a 
chica worrior but my wife, Patricia is.  She has tried many saddles. 
 Probably dislikes the Terry & B17 the least.   Her complaint was not about 
her buns but the lady parts.  I was especially motivated to help her solve 
this problem and we tried lots of reach, height, and saddle combos.  Many 
brought some improvement.  Then one day our parked tandem fell over and 
after we restarted riding we discovered that her saddle had been knocked 
5-10 degrees to the right.  I offered to fix it but she told me it was even 
better than OK.  She has been riding with an off centered saddle ever since,

Michael 

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 5:51:06 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
> average. 
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>
> Thanks for the help!
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[RBW] Correspondence Card Interest?

[William R.]

Sounds good Patrick. I would get a set. Your daughter is a great artist. I hope 
the final drawing won't be too far off from that. It's got Riv character and 
style!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: T.O.M. How'd your Rambouillet turn out?

[T.O.M.]

Wow, I'm honored that you're asking!  I don't know how well this will go 
over with the "group"?  You all being more of the beausage variety and me 
not so much!  I do have a Surly Disc Trucker for that kind of 
stuff though..

 
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk160/kubeta_bucket/RivRamII/IMG_0544.jpg[/IMG]

I've had the frame and fork pin striped and detailed by a family member.  
Haven't built it yet so, it's still in the box.  We're planning a May trip 
that will include a stop at RBW-WHQ where we'll have it properly 
christened!  I'm going to have RBW chase & face + install the headset.  I 
have the new wheel-set built and many of the other parts are from my 
previous Ram that will find their way onto the new steed.  Since I have the 
Surly for go anywhere/anytime duty, the plan is to build the Ram as 
a light-ish road bike.

T.he O.ther M.anny

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:

> Just wondering how it turned out and if you have any pics. Searched the 
> forum but didn't see anything.

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Re: [RBW] Exciting news from Velo Lumino: we now carry SP dynamo hubs

[Anton Tutter]

Same here. I can tell anytime my lights are on with the Shimano hubs. I 
can't tell with the SP series 8 (or the Schmidt) hubs.

I can't wait to try a SV-9. 

Anton
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>
> Overwhelmingly positive endorsement from me as well. Switched from a 
> shimano dynamo hub that had obvious resistance when turned on (vibration 
> through handlebar) and then just quit working within 100 miles. The SP is 
> light-years better than shimano. Seriously can't even tell when it's on, so 
> I leave it on all the time with an edelux ii and b tail light. 

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[RBW] FS: Continental Speed Ride Tires - PAIR - $45 shipped.

[David Banzer]

My eyes were bigger than my actual clearances with fenders.
These tires: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t108.htm

Selling a pair of Continental Speed Rides. 
Ridden about 50 miles or so.
$45 shipped USPS Priority mail.
Paypal Personal payment preferred, or cover PP fees.
Thanks,
David
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[RBW] Re: Unofficial Bike to Work Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

I'm sorry to have missed the morning ride as I headed out of town for work... A 
week and a half of no bike commuting is a bummer!

Glad to hear the metro stoppage didn't mix up any of you all!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Lungimsam]

There is an orabge 58 with the owner's email posten under item 3 in the last 
post of mine. Maybe he'd sell. A friendly email will give you the answer.
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc486-forrestmeyer0508.html

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Re: [RBW] FS: Smith Optics riding glasses

[Tim Gavin]

Tim-

Could you please measure the width of the sunglasses (temple-to-temple)?  I
have a very large head (size 7 7/8 hat) and only the wider-framed
sunglasses fit me.

You could PM me the response.

Thanks,
Tim

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> Some of the best riding glasses I've ever had. Smith Optics with
> interchangeable lenses. Dark, clear and rose. I always had trouble with my
> Tifosi lenses staying in after a few changes. The Smith system is really
> nice. I have the hard case and the cleaning bag. Since my detached retina
> and cataract surgery i wear progressive so don't need these anymore. $50 +
> shipping.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/93129181@N06/25799416046/in/dateposted-public/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Lots of burners on that stove, might as well heat them all up!

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 2:02:54 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Remember I have another pan in the fire.  And David there you go again 
> spending my money for me. Fortunately,  you don't have my bank account # :^)
> On Mar 17, 2016 1:59 PM, "cyclot...@gmail.com " <
> cyclot...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I think Hugh has to make this happen... too many planets aligning! 
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:03:16 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>>
>>> But it's only good on Rivs of orange color in California! This one would 
>>> make me 3 for 3 in that color. The other two:
>>>
>>> Orange QB from Walnut Creek to Redlands
>>> Orange Hillborne (my own that I sold to the buyer in San Luis Obispo)
>>>
>>> Will Hugh add to this orange trend?
>>>
>>> These bikes really class up the roof rack! (Truck-bed rack, actually)
>>>
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: "cyclot...@gmail.com" 
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim's service is rated highly, not a scratch!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:39:35 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 Ready for some evil, Hugh? As far as the bike shipping goes, I'm gonna 
 be in Pleasanton in 3 weeks. If you were to buy this Ram, I could easily 
 pick it up and drop it off to your house on my way home on Sunday April 10.


 On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 Yeah packing parts and more trips to USPS not that tempting :^)
 On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> Sell that off to help subsidize!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Hugh Smitham  
> wrote:
>
>> Well I just need a F/F as I already have a Campy group for it. Its a 
>> beauty though. 
>> On Mar 16, 2016 7:25 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>>
>>> Aren't you sorry you asked now! Hugh, that is perfect! Campy triple, 
>>> Brooks, Nitto... wow!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Hugh Smitham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Amazing at codependancy :)
 you guys are amazing

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[RBW] Re: ROSCO mailing list

[Belopsky]

100% if I am good w the price

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 11:20:54 AM UTC-4, allenmichael wrote:
>
> Would anyone else be interested in a under-the-radar, 
> clear-coat-over-steel, with no decals?
>
> Michael Allen
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 7:04:52 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> do we have an idea of what these will run? Im saving my pennies
>>
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Re: [RBW] Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Anne Paulson]

If your "sensitive areas" hurt after riding, consider one of the
saddles with a split so that sensitive areas don't touch the saddle.

I don't ride Brooks saddles for that reason. Brooks saddles work very
well for a lot of riders, but for me, they are impossible.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Cecily Walker  wrote:
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on
> average.
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around town
> (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung.
>
> Thanks for the help!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey stay outta my wallet ;^)
On Mar 16, 2016 7:49 PM, "Pondero"  wrote:

> I can picture Hugh riding that gorgeous Orange Ram...what a great
> image...and I really enjoy spending his money.
>
> Chris Johnson
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS:nitto stuff, acorn bag, filson jacket, woolrich, odds & ends, free stuff.

[Dave Redmon]

Apologies for not conducting this sale discussion off  list. I've learned
my lesson, I think.

Dave Redmon
On Mar 17, 2016 5:12 PM, "EGNolan"  wrote:

> This has devolved into the worst sale I've witnessed on this forum, Dave,
> please kindly pay the $80 & move on. You should throw in an extra $5 for
> the hassle.
>
> Best,
> Eric
> Indpls
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-4, Dave Redmon wrote:
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>> Drew--
>>
>>   If you still have the panniers, I think I can use small hose clamps
>> around the bottom of the Tubus Taras to enable attachment. How about $75
>> shipped to 66502?
>>
>>   Did you post a photo that I missed?
>>
>> Dave Redmon
>>
>> Dave Redmon
>> On Mar 15, 2016 10:58 PM, "drew"  wrote:
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>>> Hey Dave,
>>> These are shown on a Tubus Tara on the product page, I believe. No
>>> worries though
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[RBW] Wikipedia illustration from "bicycle bell"

[Lungimsam]

Indubitably a Saluki.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Don Compton]

Great bike. Thanks for posting

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> was white an option instead of green 
>  
> Places You'll See 
> 30 Stunning Pictures from the Newest, Biggest, Baddest Cruise Ship in the 
> ... 
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/56ec60e6580e760e65768st03duc 
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[RBW] Handlebar 'clicking' with shim

[Zed Martinez]

Just to pick the minds of y'all wonderful people. I'm trying Bosco regulars 
on my Clem after a rough winter of strong headwinds proving the albastaches 
and my wrists weren't getting along when used on the Clem. I already had a 
100mm Technomic Deluxe around I'd use with the albas on a different build, 
so, I just opted to use that with a shim for the Boscos. Fit is fine, and 
it clamps perfectly fine (not getting any bar rotation even with the Boscos 
leverage). Only problem, if you can call it that, is leaning weight on the 
very ends of the bars will cause a faint clicking sound at the clamp in the 
cooler weather, I'm guessing because of the shim sandwich. Anyone know any 
ways to mitigate that short of a different stem? The bars are quite built 
up and it'd be really annoying tearing them down just to fix a clicking. 
Would maybe a drop or two of something from Loctite's catalog help you 
think?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[cyclotourist]

Aren't you sorry you asked now! Hugh, that is perfect! Campy triple,
Brooks, Nitto... wow!

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Fantastic, Justin. Let us know how it goes!

-- Liz
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> I've talked to the owner and plan on checking it out this coming weekend.

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appa 35 miler ride report: Thumbs up!

[Lungimsam]

Capital front loading!!!

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[RBW] T.O.M. How'd your Rambouillet turn out?

[Lungimsam]

Just wondering how it turned out and if you have any pics. Searched the forum 
but didn't see anything.

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar 'clicking' with shim

[David Banzer]

Hi Zed,
Not what you're asking, but I'd get a 25.4mm stem. I really don't care for 
shimming handlebars and would rather get the appropriate clamp size stem. I 
think folks' use the Loctite trick for sleeved bars, which a shimmed Bosco 
would be similar to. 
David
Chicago

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> Just to pick the minds of y'all wonderful people. I'm trying Bosco 
> regulars on my Clem after a rough winter of strong headwinds proving the 
> albastaches and my wrists weren't getting along when used on the Clem. I 
> already had a 100mm Technomic Deluxe around I'd use with the albas on a 
> different build, so, I just opted to use that with a shim for the Boscos. 
> Fit is fine, and it clamps perfectly fine (not getting any bar rotation 
> even with the Boscos leverage). Only problem, if you can call it that, is 
> leaning weight on the very ends of the bars will cause a faint clicking 
> sound at the clamp in the cooler weather, I'm guessing because of the shim 
> sandwich. Anyone know any ways to mitigate that short of a different stem? 
> The bars are quite built up and it'd be really annoying tearing them down 
> just to fix a clicking. Would maybe a drop or two of something from 
> Loctite's catalog help you think?
>

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[RBW] CLEARCOAT o'er baremetal & why we don't do it anymore

[Joe Bernard]

I think blasted is how Brompton does their bare steel frames, and yes, it's 
kinda boring. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[mikel66...@juno.com]

was white an option instead of green

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Re: [RBW] WTB: backabike bags

[Bill Lindsay]

"Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock?"

I emailed Spencer who is the ordering and receiving guy from the RBW email 
directory.  I asked him when backabike bags will be back in stock, and he 
replied that they will be back in stock in 6-8 weeks

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 12:06:16 AM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Well I guess that means these bags are so awesome that nobody wants to let 
> go of theirs. That's good in general, bad for me at the moment. 
>
> Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock? I've already set 
> up the auto stock notification email for all colors in the online store. 
> On Mar 15, 2016 8:43 AM, "Patrick D Kelly"  > wrote:
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>> Anybody have a pair of backabike bags might be better appreciated 
>> elsewhere? Any color, (almost) any condition.
>>
>> thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Hugh Smitham]

On the pro side of the ledger I'll keep that in mind over the weekend while
I'm at the RSR in Redlands.

~Hugh

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> But selling off the parts has the benefit of the opportunity for many
> rides to/from the post office!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Lungimsam]

Maybe you could just order one from RBW like people can order Bombas and 
Legolii and Wilburys.

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[RBW] Re: Unofficial Bike to Work Day

[islaysteve]

Nice photo, Erl!  Glad to hear that he bar swap is working out for you.  
Steve

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[RBW] Re: T.O.M. How'd your Rambouillet turn out?

[Lungimsam]

Wow! I'm thinking it will make it onto the Blug or on their instagram when they 
have it there.

Keep us posted. Looking forward to seeing it built up. Sounds great.

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[RBW] Re: Correspondence Card Interest?

[Anton Tutter]

How does one "jot a quick note" without a keyboard? I'm confused.

Anton


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> Do you wish for a simple way to connect with people through actual 
> handwriting? I'm gauging folks' interest in purchasing correspondence 
> cards. What is a correspondence card? A  simple, practical stationary for 
> jotting a quick note via snail mail that looks good with even just a few 
> lines.
>
> The plan:
>
> -- 4.25" x 5.5"
> -- Ivory linen card stock
> -- Rivendellian single colored ink (likely a green or blue that resembles 
> their sweater offerings over the years)
> -- Simple, soft ruled lines that guide handwriting without distracting 
> (hopefully softer than in the mockup photos attached.)
> -- Matching envelopes
> -- Sets of 10, price uncertain, but around $30 delivered.
> -- Art of Hunqapillar at rest by my second daughter (12) (see mockup for 
> art)
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: what bolts?

[Will]

These...

http://www.urbanbiketech.com/product-p/pitstopper.htm

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 11:49:34 PM UTC-6, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody 
> know what size/which bolts I should get?
>
> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>
> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>
> mahalo
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[cyclotourist]

Sell that off to help subsidize!



On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Well I just need a F/F as I already have a Campy group for it. Its a
> beauty though.
> On Mar 16, 2016 7:25 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>
>> Aren't you sorry you asked now! Hugh, that is perfect! Campy triple,
>> Brooks, Nitto... wow!
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Hugh Smitham 
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[RBW] Re: CLEARCOAT o'er baremetal & why we don't do it anymore

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

As someone who once had a shop called the Iron Fish Trading Co. I sold a 
lot of metal stuff in my day, and a lot of it was rusty and/or bare, which 
added to the allure. I would agree with most here that it can be a cool 
look, but in the end, paint is, and really should be, part of a bicycle 
intended for any decent amount of use over time.


With sculptures, furniture, or various found objects, I would sometimes 
just apply a coating of butcher's wax, sometimes clearcoat then apply the 
wax over that to soften the reflective quality. Particularly if it was 
intended for outdoors, I would let buyers know it would need to be 
retreated fairly regularly or it would rust over time. I also applied 
various patinas, which bond with the metal and create a new surface. 

Some/most are actually a kind of oxidation or rust, which forms a 
protective coat. The guy who runs our local glass factory blasted the paint 
off his old Schwinn and applied a Japanese patina finish, forget the name, 
but a basic rust brown. It looks kinda cool in person, though I think if he 
had taken the paint off without blasting, the patina would have been more 
variegated. If it were mine I would also probably apply some wax on top to 
give it a bit more depth and luster. In case anyone plans this at home, you 
generally also will want to apply something to *stop* the patina process, 
even if it's just a water rinse...

 In the end, for me, the raw metal look is just that--a look. And a 
somewhat dated one at that. I am much more fond of a bicycle with a 
beautiful new paint job, not too fancy (my Clementine in basic super gloss 
black with minimal cream highlights comes to mind) or conversely one with 
lots of beausage (a word that has itself fallen from favor somewhat) than 
one with such a calculated look-at-me finish which chances are won't hold 
up all that well. As someone who also built frames for a living (large 
custom wooden frames for artworks, that is) which sometimes had to be 
painted, I can confidently report that, as most here probably are aware, 
painting any kind of frame takes a good deal of skill to do well. Done 
properly, in many cases it can certainly enhance and/or highlight the skill 
that went into the metal work or the wood work below.










On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
>
> If clear-coating was a GREAT idea, we'd offer it. It's used on show bikes 
> sometimes as a novelty and to show how great the metal looks, but if the 
> air is humid or salty or it rains a lot or something like that, it's not 
> fantastic...in our experience here, at least.
>
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[RBW] Can anyone suggest a good LBS in Spokane WA? particularly one that sells used bikes

[RoadieRyan]

Hi Group

My big bro has just moved from Seattle to Spokane and now is in position to 
bike to work, in Seattle I can think of a number of places that sell used 
bikes that I would trust but I don't know Spokane so any suggestions on 
either:

A) just a good LBS for tune up, upgrades, sound advice and/or 
B) a good place to buy used/refurbished bikes

in *The Lilac City *would be appreciated.  If he were still local I could 
probably refurb one for him myself but that 10 hour round trip in a car 
puts a damper on that idea.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions

Ryan S
West Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Hypothetical Tire Situation: Supple v. Volume.

[Tim Gavin]

I would try the Stampede Pass tires first, since you already know how the
larger Paselas ride.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:08 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Hypothetical tire situation.
> Say you just fit Continental SpeedRide tires from Riv. You like the volume
> but with fenders it's getting too tight for comfort.
> You'll probably put up a FS post for the SpeedRides shortly as you
> anticipated you had more room than you thought.
> SKS fenders are installed, but you previously had VO aluminum fenders
> installed, and they're just sitting around, already drilled and fit for
> this bike.
> You'd prefer the aluminum fenders on this bike for various reasons not
> terribly important to this situation.
> In your bike tire stash you have the following pairs of tires:
> Panaracer Paselas - 700x32 - new-ish - actual width of 32mm
> Panaracer Paselas - 700x32 - worn in, feel nicer than a new pair - actual
> width of 32mm
> Panaracer Paselas - 700x35 - worn in, you remember these riding really
> nicely - actual width of 36mm
> Resist Nomads - 700x35 - new-ish, actual width of 34mm
> Compass Stampede Pass - 700x32 - used previously, actual width of you
> don't know yet since you haven't installed them on a bike yet
>
> You also have a pair of Compass Barlow Pass tires (actual 37mm) on your
> Riv Redwood, but you'd rather they stay on that bike.
> You'd prefer to buy Compass Bon Jon Pass tires as they'd probably be
> perfect, but you are trying not to spend money on this project.
>
> Would you pick the suppleness of the Compass tires over the added volume
> of the Pasela?
> Would you just try them all out and wear through them all?
> Would you sell all of 'em and get Compass Bon Jon Pass'?
> Would you not even ponder this situation at all 'cause all the tires are
> really similar to each other?
>
> This also might be the bike in question:
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BDGUxyasmfX/?taken-by=treetopbags
>
> David
> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Tony,
I checked the stem-mount adapter-- it requires 1 5/8" on the [threaded] 
stem. That's a minimum amount, which would probably do fine on a 
dirt-drop-style stem. On a tallux-style stem, the forward extension could 
interfere with the mount, thus requiring one to raise the stem a little 
more. 

In any event, if you've got ~2 inches on free stem space, you'll probably 
be fine. 

Good luck! shoji



On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 11:33:06 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Thanks Shoji for the detailed answers!  I think the yepp mini is the way 
> I'll go.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 10:33 Shoji Takahashi  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>> A suggestion from my experience with Yepp Mini:
>> Stand on one side of bike (I usually stand on non-drive side).
>> Put kid in seat--> bike and/or seat leaning against your body.
>> Grab BOTH grips of the handlebars (while standing off to the side on both 
>> feet).
>> Swing your leg over the back of the bike, or lift it over the top tube. 
>> If you're going over the top tube, you might want to lean the bike a bit-- 
>> make sure your balance is adequate for the weight shift of a kid in the 
>> seat.
>>
>> Sorry if the above sounds insulting-- it's not my intent. I'd put 
>> together a video, but I can't do right now.
>>
>> BTW: I don't know if a Yepp Maxi would solve your problem. With a rear 
>> carrier, you can't swing your leg over the back of the bike. Also the 
>> weight is not between your arms-- I've seen a person drop their bike+kid as 
>> the handlebars rotated and the bike frame slid out. 
>>
>> Without the Yepp Mini, do you mount the bike by stepping over the top 
>> tube? Or how do you get on the bike?
>>
>>
>> Tony,
>> There is a minimum amount of stem space required. I'm guessing about 2-3 
>> inches. I can check when I get home.
>>
>> RE: basket-- with small bikes, there can be interference between the foot 
>> rests and a front-mounted basket. Your bike is probably fine-- my 48cm 
>> Hunqapillar was ok when my kids were small, but now that I have the foot 
>> rests all the way down, I can't use the basket (w/o modifying it). 
>>
>> RE: commuting gear w/front seat-- I'm using front rack+bags (HAR/HAB) 
>> now, as I need the rear rack for a Burley Piccolo. At other times, I've 
>> used the rear rack with saddle sack or panniers. It doesn't make much 
>> difference (with a Hunqapillar). The Yepp Mini is great in that there's a 
>> quick (and secure) on/off. I leave the seat at the preschool before heading 
>> out to work. 
>>
>> RE: Wheel flop-- I don't notice wheel flop, b/c I'm usually holding onto 
>> the handlebars or Yepp seat when it's mounted. Since the Yepp seat is 
>> mounted on the other side of the axis, it might actually help to stabilize 
>> and reduce wheel flop? 
>>
>> RE: handlebars-- albatross works really well. If you're taller (and have 
>> longer arms) and your child isn't very tall, you can probably use drops 
>> and/or moustache bars. I think I could probably use moustache bars, as I 
>> sometimes grab the fronts of the albatross.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> shoji
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 1:10:38 AM UTC-4, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>> Loaded my son up, despite the awkwardness when not moving, and headed 
>>> down to the lbs where they confirmed that, yeah, it's just that sorta 
>>> thing. Will probably lower seat to make standing/supporting myself at a 
>>> stop sign possible. Also debating exchanging it for a rack mounted Yepp 
>>> maxi. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://goo.gl/photos/9d6VUd9rkaL3ayRX8
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Re: [RBW] Exciting news from Velo Lumino: we now carry SP dynamo hubs

[Avery Wilson]

Overwhelmingly positive endorsement from me as well. Switched from a shimano 
dynamo hub that had obvious resistance when turned on (vibration through 
handlebar) and then just quit working within 100 miles. The SP is light-years 
better than shimano. Seriously can't even tell when it's on, so I leave it on 
all the time with an edelux ii and b tail light. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: CLEARCOAT o'er baremetal & why we don't do it anymore

[Tim Gavin]

The frame of my Schwinn KOM had numerous scratches and chips, and some were
starting to rust seriously.  So, after adding some rack and fender eyelets,
I had it bead-blasted and powder coated clear (with a little sparkle) this
winter.

http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/KOM/IMG_05861_zpsiigil83h.jpg.html

Iowa isn't particularly salty (except winter, when my aluminum fat bike
takes the abuse) and the KOM will stay full-fendered.  So, I'll report how
the finish holds up.  This job cost me only $150, so I'd be OK with getting
a new powdercoat in 5 years.  Sparkle purple, maybe?

Tim

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Belopsky 
wrote:

> Yes very true. I believe even if you did blast it, this would still be an
> issue unfortunately.
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>
>> I am not fluent here and tried to respond to other comments about it,
>> then gave up and thought I could do it here & this way...wondering all the
>> while whether this is what "thread thwacking" is.  Anyway, this isn't the
>> last word on it, just our experience and observations.
>>
>> It looks best and the way you want it to look if the frame is not blasted
>> after building. Then you get the fire marks and general variegation that
>> gets the blood flowing. If the frame is blasted after building and you
>> clear coat over that, it looks like boring metallic gray with some
>> brass-colored pinstriping (if lugs). Nobody will say *hey, cool;*
>> they'll just think, *hey, kinda boring*.
>>
>> Clear coat is porous, which means water gets thru it and causes rust. We
>> had a local powder coater assure us that it had an ultranew and
>> supereffective way to protect the metal from rust, but it didn't work.
>> Inland bikes, no big problem, but if you live in a sugar shack on
>> Chesapeake Bay, it won't last.
>>
>> Powder coating, wet painting, no matter. Powder coating isn't the
>> "bulletproof, no-nonsense, thanks for not making me have to think about
>> anything" solution it is sometimes portrayed as. It was developed for thick
>> steel tractors, as a durable, chip-resistant layer. The proble, besides
>> being pourous, is that with powder there is no primer to help fight rust
>> and protect the metal when it does chip. And powder coatings tends to have
>> more micro-cracks than wet paint. When the paint is opaque, it's easy to
>> assume all's well underneath, but when it's clear, you can actually see
>> what's happening.
>>
>> If clear-coating was a GREAT idea, we'd offer it. It's used on show bikes
>> sometimes as a novelty and to show how great the metal looks, but if the
>> air is humid or salty or it rains a lot or something like that, it's not
>> fantastic...in our experience here, at least.
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[RBW] Re: need help finding a custom quill stem maker?

[Philip Kim]

thx everyone. looks like i'm going with Joel at Clockwork Bikes. He's made 
a fork for me which I was very happy with, and he was able to source parts 
for a quill stem.

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar 'clicking' with shim

[Philip Kim]

I agree with David. Whenever I went to 26.0 to 25.4 using a shim, it hasn't 
had the best results. But I would probably use loctite over grease.

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:48:17 PM UTC-4, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> David, I know. And someday, maybe. Next time the cables need replacing. 
> Put a lot of money on the card switching over to the Bosco cockpit as was 
> (and a month before my wedding, at that) just to keep things copacetic 
> since it's my daily commuter. Good stems aren't entirely cheap or easy to 
> justify when you already have a small collection of them. And then, the 
> clicking didn't set in until about a week after I'd got comfortable with 
> everything and finished building the bars out. So, now it's also just not 
> worth undoing the hours of wrapping and shellacking just to stop a small 
> ticking sound sometimes.
>
> Lungimsam, everything's crack free. Just put it together a couple weeks 
> ago. The Boscos and the shim are brand new, the stem only has 8 months of 
> use on it from being new last year. Definitely think it's just the metal 
> sandwich. Was worried about the grease too because of the shim, which is 
> why I was pondering maybe more of the Loctite 609 I picked up for the 
> seatpost after reading a different thread on here, or something similar 
> that'd fill the metal-on-metal contact but maybe also help lock it in 
> rather than the opposite.
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:38:06 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Hi Zed,
>> Not what you're asking, but I'd get a 25.4mm stem. I really don't care 
>> for shimming handlebars and would rather get the appropriate clamp size 
>> stem. I think folks' use the Loctite trick for sleeved bars, which a 
>> shimmed Bosco would be similar to. 
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>>
>>> Just to pick the minds of y'all wonderful people. I'm trying Bosco 
>>> regulars on my Clem after a rough winter of strong headwinds proving the 
>>> albastaches and my wrists weren't getting along when used on the Clem. I 
>>> already had a 100mm Technomic Deluxe around I'd use with the albas on a 
>>> different build, so, I just opted to use that with a shim for the Boscos. 
>>> Fit is fine, and it clamps perfectly fine (not getting any bar rotation 
>>> even with the Boscos leverage). Only problem, if you can call it that, is 
>>> leaning weight on the very ends of the bars will cause a faint clicking 
>>> sound at the clamp in the cooler weather, I'm guessing because of the shim 
>>> sandwich. Anyone know any ways to mitigate that short of a different stem? 
>>> The bars are quite built up and it'd be really annoying tearing them down 
>>> just to fix a clicking. Would maybe a drop or two of something from 
>>> Loctite's catalog help you think?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar 'clicking' with shim

[Zed Martinez]

David, I know. And someday, maybe. Next time the cables need replacing. Put 
a lot of money on the card switching over to the Bosco cockpit as was (and 
a month before my wedding, at that) just to keep things copacetic since 
it's my daily commuter. Good stems aren't entirely cheap or easy to justify 
when you already have a small collection of them. And then, the clicking 
didn't set in until about a week after I'd got comfortable with everything 
and finished building the bars out. So, now it's also just not worth 
undoing the hours of wrapping and shellacking just to stop a small ticking 
sound sometimes.

Lungimsam, everything's crack free. Just put it together a couple weeks 
ago. The Boscos and the shim are brand new, the stem only has 8 months of 
use on it from being new last year. Definitely think it's just the metal 
sandwich. Was worried about the grease too because of the shim, which is 
why I was pondering maybe more of the Loctite 609 I picked up for the 
seatpost after reading a different thread on here, or something similar 
that'd fill the metal-on-metal contact but maybe also help lock it in 
rather than the opposite.

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:38:06 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Hi Zed,
> Not what you're asking, but I'd get a 25.4mm stem. I really don't care for 
> shimming handlebars and would rather get the appropriate clamp size stem. I 
> think folks' use the Loctite trick for sleeved bars, which a shimmed Bosco 
> would be similar to. 
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Just to pick the minds of y'all wonderful people. I'm trying Bosco 
>> regulars on my Clem after a rough winter of strong headwinds proving the 
>> albastaches and my wrists weren't getting along when used on the Clem. I 
>> already had a 100mm Technomic Deluxe around I'd use with the albas on a 
>> different build, so, I just opted to use that with a shim for the Boscos. 
>> Fit is fine, and it clamps perfectly fine (not getting any bar rotation 
>> even with the Boscos leverage). Only problem, if you can call it that, is 
>> leaning weight on the very ends of the bars will cause a faint clicking 
>> sound at the clamp in the cooler weather, I'm guessing because of the shim 
>> sandwich. Anyone know any ways to mitigate that short of a different stem? 
>> The bars are quite built up and it'd be really annoying tearing them down 
>> just to fix a clicking. Would maybe a drop or two of something from 
>> Loctite's catalog help you think?
>>
>

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[RBW] Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Cecily Walker]

Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
average. 

I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 

Thanks for the help!

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Re: [RBW] New Derailleur suggestions, old derailleur questions

[Patrick Moore]

Drew: regarding chain drag: Is you chain set up to proper length? One good
test is to place the chain on big/big and still have enough slack that the
derailleur cage is not pulled tight. Remove any more chain than is needed
for this.

Next, is the B screw that tightens the entire derailleur body against the
hangar as far in as it should be? Halfway is good, you can get by usually
with all the way; I've installed extra long screws to rotate the derailleur
even further counter clockwise

If both 1 and 2 above are true, you have 3 options: get a longer cage; get
a hangar extender (I think these are available); or simply avoid using the
granny with any except the larger cogs -- this is my solution of preference.

I've used short cage road rds with mountain bike triples with no problem as
long as I use the granny only with the 3 or so largest cogs.

As to 8 speed friction rds, just about anything I've used works fine,
though I found that the best ever was a road (short cage) Microshift, the
second best a reverse pull LX; that old Shimanos seem to shift better than
old long cage SunTours like the VGT; and that a rd's cog gap capacity
depends a great deal on the length of the derailleur hangar -- some are
much longer than others. (I used a 8 sp Utegra rd on a 14-32 7 speed with
48/38/24 rings, on a mountain bike, but have had a Shimano rd jam on a 32 t
cog on a Trek 400 Elance with just a single ring.

If Rivendell sells the Altus for wide range gear systems, I expect it will
work very well.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:46 PM, drew  wrote:

> *let me set this up. *
>
> the first bike i ever really built was this 1984 trek 420 mixte for my
> wife (then girlfriend of 1 year). i stripped it down, had it powdercoated
> and put it back together with og parts and was very proud of myself. since
> then, ive built 5 or 6 more bikes up and slowly started noticing all the
> haphazard work that i had done on the 420. So, over time, i ended up
> acquiring parts for a 650b conversion, new cockpit, new crank, etc (thanks
> list). here it is.
>
>
> 
>
> its pretty much good to go, minus this happening when in granny + lower
> gears (not a common ratio, im aware)
>
>
> 
>
> i assume this means i need a longer cage derailleur? chain is/was measured
> according to the sheldon method.
>
>
> *question 2:*
>
> i have an altus rd on my sam hillborne that is not performing optimally as
> of late, and im thinking about exchanging it for something nicer. i like
> the idea of the shadow derailleurs, but dont fully comprehend them and
> their compatibility. running 8 speed, friction. what new rear derailleurs
> do people like?
>
>
> *question 3:*
>
> since the trek 420, my wife got a clem (which she adores). this puts the
> 420 on long car-rack ride/dangerous lock up location/friend borrowing duty.
> would putting the sam's altus on the trek make sense to solve that
> cage/chain rub? she is a very light duty and duration rider, so the ghost
> shifts under pressure and weird noises wont happen or bother her.
>
>
> *in summary:*
>
> -what rear derailleur should i put on my 8 speed, frictioned sam?
>
> -is that chain/derailleur contact on the trek solved by a longer cage
> derailleur?
>
> -if yes, would the altus be a good option?
>
>
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Evan E.]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5494438043.html

Must. Be. Strong. Must. Resist.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS:nitto stuff, acorn bag, filson jacket, woolrich, odds & ends, free stuff.

[Bill Lindsay]

Jim Bronson

Your screenshot is a screenshot of gmail.  If you only look at RBW Group 
traffic via Gmail, then you don't have the option to reply privately.  If 
you want to have that ability, you need to switch to looking at this board 
as a message board.  Use google groups to look at this board, and you will 
see that you have the ability to Reply, meaning put a post on the message 
board for all to see, or you can "Reply Privately" which only sends an 
email to the poster to whom you are replying.  

Just open a new tab and type in: groups.google.com and see what you think. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 6:46:20 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I don't seem to have that option to reply privately, although I would like 
> to have it.  See attached screenshot.
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:00 PM, dougP  
> wrote:
>
>> That little down arrow next to the "Reply" arrow / button has a "reply 
>> privately" option.  This is your friend during transaction discussions.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 5:51:16 PM UTC-7, Dave Redmon wrote:
>>>
>>> Apologies for not conducting this sale discussion off  list. I've 
>>> learned my lesson, I think. 
>>>
>>> Dave Redmon
>>> On Mar 17, 2016 5:12 PM, "EGNolan"  wrote:
>>>
 This has devolved into the worst sale I've witnessed on this forum, 
 Dave, please kindly pay the $80 & move on. You should throw in an extra $5 
 for the hassle.

 Best,
 Eric 
 Indpls

 On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-4, Dave Redmon wrote:

> Drew--
>
>   If you still have the panniers, I think I can use small hose 
> clamps around the bottom of the Tubus Taras to enable attachment. How 
> about 
> $75 shipped to 66502? 
>
>   Did you post a photo that I missed?
>
> Dave Redmon
>
> Dave Redmon
> On Mar 15, 2016 10:58 PM, "drew"  wrote:
>
>> Hey Dave,
>> These are shown on a Tubus Tara on the product page, I believe. No 
>> worries though
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[RBW] CLEARCOAT o'er baremetal & why we don't do it anymore

[Grant @ Rivendell]

I am not fluent here and tried to respond to other comments about it, then 
gave up and thought I could do it here & this way...wondering all the while 
whether this is what "thread thwacking" is.  Anyway, this isn't the last 
word on it, just our experience and observations.

It looks best and the way you want it to look if the frame is not blasted 
after building. Then you get the fire marks and general variegation that 
gets the blood flowing. If the frame is blasted after building and you 
clear coat over that, it looks like boring metallic gray with some 
brass-colored pinstriping (if lugs). Nobody will say *hey, cool;* they'll 
just think, *hey, kinda boring*.

Clear coat is porous, which means water gets thru it and causes rust. We 
had a local powder coater assure us that it had an ultranew and 
supereffective way to protect the metal from rust, but it didn't work. 
Inland bikes, no big problem, but if you live in a sugar shack on 
Chesapeake Bay, it won't last.

Powder coating, wet painting, no matter. Powder coating isn't the 
"bulletproof, no-nonsense, thanks for not making me have to think about 
anything" solution it is sometimes portrayed as. It was developed for thick 
steel tractors, as a durable, chip-resistant layer. The proble, besides 
being pourous, is that with powder there is no primer to help fight rust 
and protect the metal when it does chip. And powder coatings tends to have 
more micro-cracks than wet paint. When the paint is opaque, it's easy to 
assume all's well underneath, but when it's clear, you can actually see 
what's happening.

If clear-coating was a GREAT idea, we'd offer it. It's used on show bikes 
sometimes as a novelty and to show how great the metal looks, but if the 
air is humid or salty or it rains a lot or something like that, it's not 
fantastic...in our experience here, at least.

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appa 35 miler ride report: Thumbs up!

[Ryan Fleming]

Nice...it seems like you don't dislike the chocos. I'm getting the normals 
and I'm dying to try them out...I plan to flip them down as you have. I 
suspect  the Appaloosa will make a dandy touring bike toolove that 
mustard colour!

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:31:35 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My ride to the office is ~35 miles and ~3000ft of climbing along the crest 
> of the East Bay Hills, El Cerrito to Castro Valley and down through Hayward 
> to Union City.  I used my 55cm Joe Appaloosa for the ride today, and it was 
> delightful.  It was probably my longest ride ever *not* using drop bars. 
>  It also was probably the longest ride of the last 35 years on 170mm 
> cranks.  I'm a 172.5mm zealot, and I can feel the difference.  I'm not 
> going to claim that 170s ruin my knees or anything like that but I 
> definitely can tell they aren't 172.5mm arms (or is it my imagination?).  
>
> I'm super pumped about my current front load setup.  It's centered on a 
> Nitto Big Front Rack, a Wald Huge front basket, a large Sackville Shop 
> sack, and a pair of rear Sackville Backabike panniers.  The rears fit on 
> the Big Front Rack like they were custom made for it.  I didn't carry a ton 
> of stuff, but I did carry my change of clothes, laptop and some documents 
> for work.  Too bad Riv is out of stock on the backabike bags, because 
> that's a sweet setup.  
>
>
> 
>
> No extra charge for the wild turkey in the background.  Sharp eyes will 
> notice that I've upgraded to a Deore XT rear der.  I did that mainly 
> because I've grown to prefer reverse pull, particularly with friction 
> shifting, and I had a reverse pull XT in my stash.  
>
>
> Descending on the Appaloosa was a blast.  I sometimes did the escape 
> velocity racer tuck with my hands on the hooks of the Choco bars.  I blew 
> past a roadie on one of the descents.  It was a very timid roadie, but the 
> 'Loosa descends really well.  
>
>
> In summary I definitely think this bike is in play for my next tour.  I'll 
> load it down more and do a few S24Os with it in the Springtime.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>   
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[RBW] WTB Velo Orange Campagne

[Frank Conway]

I've been lusting after the GB25's but come to accept that I should spend the 
money updating some of the other stuff on my newly acquired Heron.  As such, I 
decided to take the cheaper road and see if anyone has a used VO Campagne (I'd 
also be interested in the decaleur as well) that they are looking to part with. 

I'd consider similar bags as well but as used GB25 or Acorn is probably out of 
my price range (although it can't hurt to throw a price at me, I suppose).  


Thanks,

Frank

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[RBW] Powdercoating recommendations

[Michael Hechmer]

Somewhat off topic but I do need advice.

In prepping our tandem for next weeks trip to the Outer Banks of NC I 
discovered significant paint damage & visible rust on the underside of the 
frame.  We have loved everything about this frame except the paint job. 
 Last Fall I looked into returning it to Bilenky and having it 
powdercoated.  The frame has 3 pairs of S couplers which add to the cost. 
 If I remember correctly he quoted $525, plus tax and shipping.  I flinched 
and decided to deal with the visible scratches through some touch up paint, 
but somehow failed to turn the bike over, which is not so easy with a 
large, steel, touring bike  in any case.  Now I can see damage that is 
beyond me and a bottle of touch up paint.
 
So now I either need to find a reliable, alternative (and sacrifice the 
decals & head badge) or bit the bullet and return it to Bilenky.  And I'd 
like to act as soon as we return (4/3).  If others have had experience with 
this, especially in NE, or nearby.  I see one outfit in MI, which will do 
the job for $265.

Michael

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Liesl]

Hey Cecily! Good to hear from you! I too haven't posted in a long while and 
barely kept up with my list reading. But when I see a call out to Riv Chicas, I 
gotta do my part!

I echoe all the comments about tilt of saddle, height of saddle, and bar 
position. All quite subtle. I might add that all of my B17s feel different. I 
have one that's consistently the most comfy. If you have a LBS that will let 
you try a few saddles, especially the cambium carved or a flyer, you might find 
out a lot. Best of luck and keep us posted.

Yours in solidarity,
RCW

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[RBW] Exciting news from Velo Lumino: we now carry SP dynamo hubs

[Anton Tutter]

I'm excited to announce that Velo Lumino is expanding their product 
offerings in integrated lighting solutions. We are now selling the entire 
line of SP dynamo hubs. These are turning into fantastic little hubs. I now 
have two for personal use, one on my Bike Friday with 20" wheels, and one 
on my Rawland Stag with 650B wheels. Both have been performing flawlessly.

I am carrying the entire 2016 line of dynamos, including the all new SV-9 
series, which is the smallest and lightest 6V/2.4W hub dynamo in the world 
(smaller and lighter than the SONdelux).

More info on velolumino.com 
 and on 
sp-dynamo.com 

And, enjoy free shipping on SP dynamo hubs anywhere in the world!

Of course, we also have stock of all our existing Velo Lumino lighting 
components: the AT fender taillight, the TMAT stem switch and the AT 
headlight mount.  And coming soon will be a new fender-related widget, 
which I'll announce shortly.

Anton
velolumino.com

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[RBW] Re: Unofficial Bike to Work Day

[p g]

Erl,

I just saw the pic. Nice bike and I hear you on the bars. Not there yet 
myself but, as my wife keeps on telling me, the glass is halfway full not 
halfway empty. Enjoy your bike and the experiences you are having on it! 
Your place of work is around my house so if you are coming up from downtown 
or Virginia we may be crossing paths in the morning or afternoon. I 
remember spotting an Atlantis on the Crescent but, if I recall correctly, 
it had drop bars.

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 9:13:14 AM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>
> P G,
> Glad you had a pleasant ride.
> This morning was a lovely as yesterday.  I remind myself to enjoy these 
> great days that are sandwiched between winter's cold and summer's humidity!
> My only issue today involved two different pedestrians jay walking while 
> texting on their phones!!  Good grief.
> Attached is a photo taken near work a bit before sunrise. (I am enjoying 
> the albatross bars on the Atlantis; I swapped out noodles due to some lower 
> back issues-aren't as flexible as I used to be)
> Safe cycling,
> Erl
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 12:28:55 PM UTC-4, p g wrote:
>>
>> Rode my bike to work as I do most mornings schedule permitting; did not 
>> encounter more riders on Crescent or Rock Creek trails than I usually do at 
>> around 8:30-9:00am. Very pleasant ride as it typically is.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:13:34 AM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:
>>>
>>> Since Metro is, on rather short notice, shut down system-wide for at 
>>> least 24 hours, today is an unofficial and perhaps rare Bike to Work Day. 
>>>  There are already tweets in the Post about it.  I wish all of our local 
>>> list members good luck, no matter what means of transportation you use 
>>> today.  But it's a beautiful day for riding, so I'm happy for Erl and the 
>>> rest of our friends who regularly ride to work.  I hope you don't encounter 
>>> too many crazies out there.  The Post has declared in an editorial that 
>>> Metro is now a national disgrace.  Not much more to say, except take care 
>>> and be safe.
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: need help finding a custom quill stem maker?

[Philip Kim]

Yes, I've seen these. Almost looks like they bent the metal and welded it 
at the bottom of the fold? The reach is a bit too long, and I've heard 
lukewarm reviews, mostly aesthetically positive, but not much in quality. 

Thanks Matt for the recommendation, Winter might be too expensive, but I 
could try to not eat out on lunch this week and could stretch it. Will 
contact him soon.

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 11:15:10 AM UTC-4, donavanm wrote:
>
> I assume you've seen the Factory 5 stems that came out last winter, 
> https://wearefactoryfive.com/products/f5-titan-stem? A friend bought one, 
> finish was generally "ok" with a couple of very rough spots they missed 
> polishing or had a bad cast. That's disappointing in a $100 part, but 
> *much* cheaper than custom.
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[RBW] Re: New Derailleur suggestions, old derailleur questions

[drew]

I don't care much about period. That's the original derailler not by choice, 
but more by ignorance. I went ahead and bought the deore from riv and will put 
the Altus on the trek

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Re: [RBW] Re: Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

[WETH]

I think lots of folks are streaming the NCAA tournament games and slowing 
down the internets! :)

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 1:13:14 PM UTC-4, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Is it my ISP or the cyclofiend pages loading super slow?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
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>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Lungimsam  > wrote:
>
>> Here is one version:
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc062-joecollins1205.html
>>
>> Here is t'other:
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc486-forrestmeyer0508.html
>>
>> One looks more like knight armour-like.
>> One looks more swooshy/modern.
>>
>> I like both. The swooshy one is very clean and mellow looking.
>>
>> I'm thinking the knight version is maybe built in usa by one of those 
>> early riv bike frame builders? Maybe a custom version? Like if you ordered 
>> a Bombadil today? But what do i know.
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[RBW] Re: Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

[Lungimsam]

Here is one version:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc062-joecollins1205.html

Here is t'other:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc486-forrestmeyer0508.html

One looks more like knight armour-like.
One looks more swooshy/modern.

I like both. The swooshy one is very clean and mellow looking.

I'm thinking the knight version is maybe built in usa by one of those early riv 
bike frame builders? Maybe a custom version? Like if you ordered a Bombadil 
today? But what do i know.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Lungimsam]

With fenders?

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[RBW] Re: choco-moose versus bullmoose

[Lungimsam]

Sounds like a fun ride! Upright is cool for the easy looking around!

What's the story behind the front brake cable hanger? I don't usually see them 
there. But looks really nice!

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[RBW] Re: Any good wheel builders in DC metro?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Jeff -
I live in Alexandria and have had three or four wheels built by Bill Mould, 
who can be found most days at the "Spokes, Etc." shop on Quaker Lane 
(703-820-2200).  The stuff he's built for me has been excellent, and his 
prices are very reasonable; I've never had spokes adjusted by him, but I'm 
certain he'd do a great job.  Very pleasant person, to boot.
All the best,
Kevin

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 8:06:08 PM UTC-4, Jeff Bogdanovich wrote:
>
> I bought a machine built wheelset recently (I know, I know...) that kinda 
> creaks and pops. I'm 180lbs and commute 20 miles/day so I'd like to get the 
> spokes properly tensioned & stress relieved before things get worse. Can 
> anyone point me toward the local talent? Thanks!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Unofficial Bike to Work Day

[islaysteve]

Since Metro is, on rather short notice, shut down system-wide for at least 
24 hours, today is an unofficial and perhaps rare Bike to Work Day.  There 
are already tweets in the Post about it.  I wish all of our local list 
members good luck, no matter what means of transportation you use today. 
 But it's a beautiful day for riding, so I'm happy for Erl and the rest of 
our friends who regularly ride to work.  I hope you don't encounter too 
many crazies out there.  The Post has declared in an editorial that Metro 
is now a national disgrace.  Not much more to say, except take care and be 
safe.
Steve

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[RBW] Powdercoating recommendations

[Howard Hatten]

Michael. 

I had a frame & fork done by this company in Michigan. 
http://www.exoticcoatings.com
They did a very good job protecting all the threaded surfaces. 
Color selection was enormous. 
Seems like you should be able to find somebody closer to home. Found this 
company through the local bike shop. 
$175, frame & fork

Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

[Lungimsam]

Except for tge computer and bell, that is one seriously Rivved out build.

But being that the wheels are up it may not be good for the kickstand plate per 
drew's post. Maybe the wind rocked it up.:
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/Plate/rbw-owners-bunch/-buxFCp8ffo

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Re: [RBW] WTB: backabike bags

[Patrick Kelly]

Awesome

Thanks Bill!

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> "Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock?"
>
> I emailed Spencer who is the ordering and receiving guy from the RBW email
> directory.  I asked him when backabike bags will be back in stock, and he
> replied that they will be back in stock in 6-8 weeks
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 12:06:16 AM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Well I guess that means these bags are so awesome that nobody wants to let
>> go of theirs. That's good in general, bad for me at the moment.
>>
>> Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock? I've already set
>> up the auto stock notification email for all colors in the online store.
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2016 8:43 AM, "Patrick D Kelly"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody have a pair of backabike bags might be better appreciated
>>> elsewhere? Any color, (almost) any condition.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Can anyone suggest a good LBS in Spokane WA? particularly one that sells used bikes

[John Speare]

Used bikes: Cup of Cool Water or Bicycle Butler.

LBS: many good shops -- good people. But shops here tend to be fairly 
performance oriented and focused on big 3 brands -- we really need a solid 
commuter/family (think Free Range Bikes or C) shop here. In any case, 
good LBS recommendation depends on which part of town he's in. PM me for 
more details.

Thanks.

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-7, RoadieRyan wrote:
>
> Hi Group
>
> My big bro has just moved from Seattle to Spokane and now is in position 
> to bike to work, in Seattle I can think of a number of places that sell 
> used bikes that I would trust but I don't know Spokane so any suggestions 
> on either:
>
> A) just a good LBS for tune up, upgrades, sound advice and/or 
> B) a good place to buy used/refurbished bikes
>
> in *The Lilac City *would be appreciated.  If he were still local I could 
> probably refurb one for him myself but that 10 hour round trip in a car 
> puts a damper on that idea.
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions
>
> Ryan S
> West Seattle
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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Linda G]

My theory (supported by some reading I've done) is that the muscles in the 
butt build up from riding, making for less soreness over the "sit bones" 
with time. I have a B17S on my Rivish bike and have found it to be 
comfortable from the start for the sit bones but I had to get the tilt and 
setback just right for comfort in other areas. I briefly tried a Terry 
women's touring saddle before the Brooks and my sit bones hurt like crazy 
no matter what I did. Now I have a new bike and since I already had the 
Terry saddle, I put it on. No sit bone discomfort at all. Both bikes have 
handlebars an inch or two above seat height. I had been riding regularly 
since I first put the Terry on the Rivish bike so I think I had just built 
up some muscles. So my advice is to play with the saddle adjustment. Maybe 
it got out of whack while you were not riding. Then just give it a try for 
awhile as you build your muscles back up. 

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 2:51:06 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Now that I'm riding my bike more (thanks, knee surgery!) I've noticed that 
> my Brooks B67S saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be. Maybe it's 
> because I need to toughen up my tuchus more, but I can barely ride to work 
> comfortably, and it only takes me about 15 minutes to get to work on 
> average. 
>
> I've tried tilting the saddle up and tilting it down, but no matter what I 
> try, my sit bones ander...sensitive areas really hurt after a few 
> minutes. Chica warriors, have any of you ever experienced this? Is a 
> different Brooks model the answer? I ride upright and have Bosco bars on my 
> Betty Foy. I'm also a heavyweight, so I'm skeptical about riding around 
> town (or anywhere) on a saddle that isn't sprung. 
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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[RBW] The next Velo Lumino product: rear fender reinforcement plate

[Anton Tutter]

Velo Lumino is expanding into the "fender installation widget" space. The 
first of several widgets in this category is a reinforcement plate inspired 
by the old French constructeurs. It reduces fender stress fatigue at a 
common failure location by reducing localized stress risers. And it looks 
damn fine while doing it. Photo below is on a VO Zeppelin 650B fender. The 
plate is thin enough (0.64mm) that is doesn't noticeably alter the fender 
line of existing fender installations, and its shape can be tweaked by hand 
to follow different fender contours.







It's cut from aluminum sheet stock using water jet technology. It's then 
pressed onto a curved form to create a nominal fender cross-section radius 
and finally it's machine polished to a mirror finish. Two flat-head 
stainless M3 bolts with flat washers, star washers, nuts and a leather 
washer for the bridge are included in the price.


$17 on velolumino.com 


Anton, who is working on yet more fender installation widgets...

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[RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Bill Lindsay]

"Bummer Dude!" as the kids used to say.  :-)

Seriously though, since 58cm orange Ram's catch my eye and tempt me as much 
or more than just about anything, I will say that they seem to come up 
pretty often.  I can't name an exact date, but I distinctly recall being 
tempted by a 58cm orange ram on this board several times.  Probably less 
than 10 times, but maybe 5.  Like once a year?  Maybe I'm around too 
much. :-\

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 10:02:08 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> I've been a member since 2012 and not saying one hasn't popped up as I do 
> go underground (as any good Dwarf is want to do) from time to time, but 
> I've yet to see one of these creatures. I've seen 54's & 56's with some 
> regularity but a 58cm? Maybe it's a good thing to keep the temptations away 
> but I think I'd be hard pressed not to throw down for one. Anyways, any 
> thoughts on this elusive Rivendell?
>
> ~Hugh "dreaming of popsicle orange sheep" Smitham
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[RBW] CLEARCOAT o'er baremetal & why we don't do it anymore

[Joe Bernard]

I should have guessed a list member would have a bare-steel Brompton. If it 
makes you feel any better, some dude on a car forum recently said my FIAT 
Abarth is ugly. He was wrong, too! ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Hugh Smitham]

Remember I have another pan in the fire.  And David there you go again
spending my money for me. Fortunately,  you don't have my bank account # :^)
On Mar 17, 2016 1:59 PM, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:

> I think Hugh has to make this happen... too many planets aligning!
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 1:03:16 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>
>> But it's only good on Rivs of orange color in California! This one would
>> make me 3 for 3 in that color. The other two:
>>
>> Orange QB from Walnut Creek to Redlands
>> Orange Hillborne (my own that I sold to the buyer in San Luis Obispo)
>>
>> Will Hugh add to this orange trend?
>>
>> These bikes really class up the roof rack! (Truck-bed rack, actually)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "cyclot...@gmail.com"
>>
>>
>> Jim's service is rated highly, not a scratch!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:39:35 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ready for some evil, Hugh? As far as the bike shipping goes, I'm gonna
>>> be in Pleasanton in 3 weeks. If you were to buy this Ram, I could easily
>>> pick it up and drop it off to your house on my way home on Sunday April 10.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah packing parts and more trips to USPS not that tempting :^)
>>> On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>>>
 Sell that off to help subsidize!



 On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Hugh Smitham 
 wrote:

> Well I just need a F/F as I already have a Campy group for it. Its a
> beauty though.
> On Mar 16, 2016 7:25 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
>
>> Aren't you sorry you asked now! Hugh, that is perfect! Campy triple,
>> Brooks, Nitto... wow!
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Amazing at codependancy :)
>>> you guys are amazing
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[RBW] WTT: 170mm Sugino XD2 for 170mm Specialized Flag or Suntour XC cranks

[Sofia Torres]

I have Sugino XD2 170mm crank arms that I'd like to trade for something a 
little more vintage mtb-y.

I'm looking for the Specialized Flag cranks or Suntour XC (Comp, Pro) 
Ideally no longer than 170mm. Must be silver, 170mm. Running a single ring, 
so don't care if it's a double or triple. 

http://mombat.org/StumpTeamCrank.JPG

My XD2 is a triple currently set up as a compact double, with 38 and 24T 
rings in the two inner positions. Willing to sell outright if there is 
interest... $75. But ideally I'll find a trade or a replacement crank 
first. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Crystal Fellow 28.6 x 250mm Seatpost

[comveo]

That is correct, Bill. Slip of the digits.

26.8mm it is. Thanks for catching that!


-Bryan

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 1:08:42 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'm just guessing, but I think that your title might have a typo.  Could 
> it be that your seatpost is actually a 26.8mm?  
>
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 9:23:41 PM UTC-7, comveo wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>>
>> Title just about says it all. Purchased from Peter White Cycles but sold 
>> the frame I was going to use it in. Like new condition in box with only one 
>> ~1mm scuff right at min insertion.
>>
>> Was $95 plus shipping. 
>>
>> Asking $70 shipped USPS anywhere in the US.
>>
>>
>> Please let me know off list if you're interested. Thank you : )
>>
>>
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wikipedia illustration from "bicycle bell"

[Ryan Fleming]

A Saluki

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:28:59 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_bell#/media/File:Stem_and_Bell_II.jpg
>
> Name that frame? I can't read the decal, but those lugs certainly seem 
> familiar. The stem, too.
>
> Courtesy of YKH.
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> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar 'clicking' with shim

[Ron Mc]

I have two bikes with Technomic stems - they both creak when I stand on them

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[RBW] Re: New Derailleur suggestions, old derailleur questions

[JohnS]

Hello Drew,

Maybe the problem isn't the derailleur, but the triple crank? Ask you wife 
if she ever uses the big chain ring. If she isn't then maybe removing the 
granny and switching the other two chain rings might be a better solution. 
Maybe replacing the 52 with a 44 or 46 and the middle ring with a 38. I 
don't know what kind of range and overlap that provides, but some creative 
thinking could produce a workable solution.

Good luck,
John


On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:46:45 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:

> *let me set this up. *
>
> the first bike i ever really built was this 1984 trek 420 mixte for my 
> wife (then girlfriend of 1 year). i stripped it down, had it powdercoated 
> and put it back together with og parts and was very proud of myself. since 
> then, ive built 5 or 6 more bikes up and slowly started noticing all the 
> haphazard work that i had done on the 420. So, over time, i ended up 
> acquiring parts for a 650b conversion, new cockpit, new crank, etc (thanks 
> list). here it is. 
>
>
> 
>
> its pretty much good to go, minus this happening when in granny + lower 
> gears (not a common ratio, im aware)
>
>
> 
>
> i assume this means i need a longer cage derailleur? chain is/was measured 
> according to the sheldon method. 
>
>
> *question 2:*
>
> i have an altus rd on my sam hillborne that is not performing optimally as 
> of late, and im thinking about exchanging it for something nicer. i like 
> the idea of the shadow derailleurs, but dont fully comprehend them and 
> their compatibility. running 8 speed, friction. what new rear derailleurs 
> do people like?
>
>
> *question 3:*
>
> since the trek 420, my wife got a clem (which she adores). this puts the 
> 420 on long car-rack ride/dangerous lock up location/friend borrowing duty. 
> would putting the sam's altus on the trek make sense to solve that 
> cage/chain rub? she is a very light duty and duration rider, so the ghost 
> shifts under pressure and weird noises wont happen or bother her. 
>
>
> *in summary:*
>
> -what rear derailleur should i put on my 8 speed, frictioned sam?
>
> -is that chain/derailleur contact on the trek solved by a longer cage 
> derailleur?
>
> -if yes, would the altus be a good option?
>
>
>
> Thanks!!
>  
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[James Warren]

Orange one with the original lugs fits 33 mm Jack Browns no problem. I might 
try Barlow Pass's on my mine, but I haven't tried that yet. No need though, 
because I love how it rides with Jack Brown Greens.


On Mar 18, 2016, at 5:21 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> ya know Hugh, not all Rams can  fit 38 mm tires. I had a green one that could 
> only barely clear a 33 mm Jack brown in the front.  Back was fine.  It was a 
> nice riding bike but tire limitations caused me to sell it off.   And them 
> damn caliper brakes.  Canti's for like for me ( well except discs on MTB's)
> 
> ~mike
> 
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[RBW] Re: Unofficial Bike to Work Day

[Ryan Thompson]

Good luck Er.  l I decided to Telework instead of making my normal commute into 
DC.  I think the afternoon commute on the roads will be much worse than this 
morning.  One bonus is I don't have to listen the the metro roar by my house 
for 24 hours. 

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Powdercoating recommendations

[Steven Sweedler]

Michael, I have used Race Metalsmiths in White River Jct. Vt. and have been
very plesed with their work. He was the one who used the zinc primer for a
problem area. Also builds frames so is very familiar with bicycles.  Steve

Plymouth, N. H.

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Somewhat off topic but I do need advice.
>
> In prepping our tandem for next weeks trip to the Outer Banks of NC I
> discovered significant paint damage & visible rust on the underside of the
> frame.  We have loved everything about this frame except the paint job.
> Last Fall I looked into returning it to Bilenky and having it
> powdercoated.  The frame has 3 pairs of S couplers which add to the
> cost.  If I remember correctly he quoted $525, plus tax and shipping.  I
> flinched and decided to deal with the visible scratches through some touch
> up paint, but somehow failed to turn the bike over, which is not so easy
> with a large, steel, touring bike  in any case.  Now I can see damage that
> is beyond me and a bottle of touch up paint.
>
> So now I either need to find a reliable, alternative (and sacrifice the
> decals & head badge) or bit the bullet and return it to Bilenky.  And I'd
> like to act as soon as we return (4/3).  If others have had experience with
> this, especially in NE, or nearby.  I see one outfit in MI, which will do
> the job for $265.
>
> Michael
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[RBW] Re: Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

[Ron Mc]

those fenders are drop-dead gorgeous

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 8:22:33 AM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Here is one version:
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc062-joecollins1205.html
>
> Here is t'other:
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc486-forrestmeyer0508.html
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[RBW] Re: Unofficial Bike to Work Day

[WETH]

P G,
Home is in Kensington, so I commute north of the Cathedral on Wisconsin and 
Connecticut Avenues.  It could have been me on the Crescent trail as my 
Atlantis had drop bars until last week.  We will have to plan a ride at 
some point.
Erl

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 3:28:03 PM UTC-4, p g wrote:
>
> Erl,
>
> I just saw the pic. Nice bike and I hear you on the bars. Not there yet 
> myself but, as my wife keeps on telling me, the glass is halfway full not 
> halfway empty. Enjoy your bike and the experiences you are having on it! 
> Your place of work is around my house so if you are coming up from 
> downtown or Virginia we may be crossing paths in the morning or afternoon. 
> I remember spotting an Atlantis on the Crescent but, if I recall correctly, 
> it had drop bars.
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 9:13:14 AM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>>
>> P G,
>> Glad you had a pleasant ride.
>> This morning was a lovely as yesterday.  I remind myself to enjoy these 
>> great days that are sandwiched between winter's cold and summer's humidity!
>> My only issue today involved two different pedestrians jay walking while 
>> texting on their phones!!  Good grief.
>> Attached is a photo taken near work a bit before sunrise. (I am enjoying 
>> the albatross bars on the Atlantis; I swapped out noodles due to some lower 
>> back issues-aren't as flexible as I used to be)
>> Safe cycling,
>> Erl
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 12:28:55 PM UTC-4, p g wrote:
>>>
>>> Rode my bike to work as I do most mornings schedule permitting; did not 
>>> encounter more riders on Crescent or Rock Creek trails than I usually do at 
>>> around 8:30-9:00am. Very pleasant ride as it typically is.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 9:13:34 AM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:

 Since Metro is, on rather short notice, shut down system-wide for at 
 least 24 hours, today is an unofficial and perhaps rare Bike to Work Day. 
  There are already tweets in the Post about it.  I wish all of our local 
 list members good luck, no matter what means of transportation you use 
 today.  But it's a beautiful day for riding, so I'm happy for Erl and the 
 rest of our friends who regularly ride to work.  I hope you don't 
 encounter 
 too many crazies out there.  The Post has declared in an editorial that 
 Metro is now a national disgrace.  Not much more to say, except take care 
 and be safe.
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[RBW] Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

[Lungimsam]

It also appears some Rambouillets had the cutout drop out, some didnt

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[John Phillips]

Hi Cecily,

 Just a thought, but what tires are you riding? My wife thought her 
Brooks B67s was too hard until I switched her Betty Foy over to a pair of 
26" Compass Bicycles' tires.

The same worked for me on my Hunqapillar. After I put on a pair of Barlow 
Pass tires, my favorite saddle is a Berthoud Mente.

For us, it wasn't our saddles causing us pain, but rather the bumps and 
road buzz from our rather poor city roads.

YMMV,

John


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Re: [RBW] Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Lungimsam]

I suggest you  proofhide it. Leave it on overnight, polish it off with a towel 
in the morning.

I had a sprung Brooks flyer saddle that was great outta the box. Started 
hurting my left sit bone after 500 miles or so.
I proofhided it, especially focussing on the side that hurt. Stopped hurting me 
after that.
Still confy today.

It did get wonky again later (~200miles) and my privates started to feel the 
pressure. I tightened it one full turn (1/2 turn at a time over a couple days, 
I think) and liberally over proofhided  each time. Back to being fine again.

An RBW employee said that Brooks saddles are wonky and get wonkier later.

Sometimes juat giving them time helps work out the kinks. I think its because 
the leather must always be changing though 99% of the time Ive found them to he 
fantastic saddles!

I hope this helps and you get comfy again. I know how frustrating It can be 
trying to eliminate pain problems on a bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Hugh Smitham]

Are you saying you have a roadeo in my size? One that's ruff around the
edges? To be clear I just want a frame & fork as I have the parts already.
And yeah I checked Alexcycles unfortunately none in my size.
On Mar 16, 2016 12:03 PM, "Lungimsam"  wrote:

> If munny isn't an issue, mayhap an orange Roadeo would suffice?
> 10 years of extra frame life and you could dictate your braze-ons.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

[Joe Bernard]

Huh. I totally missed that both wheels are elevated!

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar 'clicking' with shim

[Bill Lindsay]

If it were me, the first thing I would do is make sure the Nitto Shims are 
not touching each other.  The nitto 25.4 to 26.0 shims are two 
half-circles.  There's a tiny gap between them.  Try to have them set up 
such that it is a tiny half-gap on both sides.  The second thing I would do 
is make sure that one of those two half-gaps lines up with the gap of the 
stem.  Then tighten everything up and see if you have quieted your issue.  

If that does not quiet your issue, I would use a thin thin coat of grease 
between bar and shim.  I would only use grease between shim and stem if 
everything up to that point has failed.  I would not use loctite in this 
application.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 10:23:54 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Just to pick the minds of y'all wonderful people. I'm trying Bosco 
> regulars on my Clem after a rough winter of strong headwinds proving the 
> albastaches and my wrists weren't getting along when used on the Clem. I 
> already had a 100mm Technomic Deluxe around I'd use with the albas on a 
> different build, so, I just opted to use that with a shim for the Boscos. 
> Fit is fine, and it clamps perfectly fine (not getting any bar rotation 
> even with the Boscos leverage). Only problem, if you can call it that, is 
> leaning weight on the very ends of the bars will cause a faint clicking 
> sound at the clamp in the cooler weather, I'm guessing because of the shim 
> sandwich. Anyone know any ways to mitigate that short of a different stem? 
> The bars are quite built up and it'd be really annoying tearing them down 
> just to fix a clicking. Would maybe a drop or two of something from 
> Loctite's catalog help you think?
>

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[RBW] FS: Smith Optics riding glasses

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Some of the best riding glasses I've ever had. Smith Optics with 
interchangeable lenses. Dark, clear and rose. I always had trouble with my 
Tifosi lenses staying in after a few changes. The Smith system is really nice. 
I have the hard case and the cleaning bag. Since my detached retina and 
cataract surgery i wear progressive so don't need these anymore. $50 + shipping.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/93129181@N06/25799416046/in/dateposted-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/93129181@N06/25730365261/in/dateposted-public/

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS:nitto stuff, acorn bag, filson jacket, woolrich, odds & ends, free stuff.

[bo richardson]

it took me hours of frustration to learn i could not PM to a poster from my 
ipad.
i had to go fire up the linux machine for that one simple transaction.

bo

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Re: [RBW] FS: Smith Optics riding glasses

[Tim Gavin]

Ok, they sound wide enough for my melon.

email me at timgavin (at) hotmail (dot) com.

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> Hi Tim. Sorry for the delay, I've been working nights. Also I use Apple
> products so I can't see your email. The temple width, right by the hinge,
> is 5 3/8".
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[RBW] Re: T.O.M. How'd your Rambouillet turn out?

[Hugh Smitham]

That's some nice pin striping. Looking forward to the build. I think we 
tolerate "Beausage" but we like shiny new things too!

~Hugh

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-7, T.O.M. wrote:
>
> Wow, I'm honored that you're asking!  I don't know how well this will go 
> over with the "group"?  You all being more of the beausage variety and me 
> not so much!  I do have a Surly Disc Trucker for that kind of 
> stuff though..
>
>  [IMG]
> http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk160/kubeta_bucket/RivRamII/IMG_0544.jpg[/IMG]
>
> I've had the frame and fork pin striped and detailed by a family member.  
> Haven't built it yet so, it's still in the box.  We're planning a May trip 
> that will include a stop at RBW-WHQ where we'll have it properly 
> christened!  I'm going to have RBW chase & face + install the headset.  I 
> have the new wheel-set built and many of the other parts are from my 
> previous Ram that will find their way onto the new steed.  Since I have the 
> Surly for go anywhere/anytime duty, the plan is to build the Ram as 
> a light-ish road bike.
>
> T.he O.ther M.anny
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
>> Just wondering how it turned out and if you have any pics. Searched the 
>> forum but didn't see anything.
>
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[RBW] Re: need help finding a custom quill stem maker?

[David Banzer]

Nice. Joel's on my short list if I ever decide to get a custom.
David
Chicago

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 2:26:51 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> thx everyone. looks like i'm going with Joel at Clockwork Bikes. He's made 
> a fork for me which I was very happy with, and he was able to source parts 
> for a quill stem.
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[RBW] Re: MIESHA HAS LEFT RIVENDELL

[murphyjrfk]

This post seems to be sticking around. So I might as well add to it...back 
in 2010...maybe 2009 whatever...I was hit pretty hard by the "Great 
Recession" and at Christmas time things were really tight.  So it was just 
a kids kind of deal.  I had always admired/loved Riv but could never afford 
one.  My wife--girlfriend at the time--called Riv to see if Grant would 
sign a Christmas card...she spoke to Miesha about it and as my wife tells 
me she was happy and as helpful as can be--over the years I've talked to 
her on the phone, and it was true--any ways, we couldn't afford anything 
really but Miesha told her just order something small, I'll make it happen. 
 

Well sure enough she did.  Grant was super gracious about it too.  He not 
only wrote out a little card but put in a hat to boot.  It was a supper 
nice touch in a not so nice time.--mind you at that point I had probably 
spent pennies there.

Things changed...as they always seem to do and I cherish the Riv's I have 
(they are magical bikes).  I always try and order a few times a 
year...especially if they seem in a pinch. 

For whatever it's worth she was top notch. And so is Riv. You can't beat 
their graciousness about things especially when they don't have to be.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange 58cm Rambouillets Is this a Mythical Beast?

[Hugh Smitham]

Yup. This one I have seen and a beauty too. I reached out and asked whether
he was interested in selling just the F/F/HS but he wants to sell it as a
complete, which I completely understand. At the moment I'm reluctant to buy
as a whole and sell off the parts. It's a hassle. Thanks for the heads up.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv 
wrote:

> I was curious about the craigslist search so I looked and found this
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5494438043.html
> Good luck.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 10:39:11 PM UTC+2, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> Desperate times call for desperate measures:
>>
>> 1. Search all of craigslist here:
>> http://www.my-craigs-finder.com/index
>>
>> 2. Check flikr for orang Ram pics. Someone posted a 58? Contact them with
>> a gentle and respectful email to see if they are interested in selling.
>>
>> 3. Look at the pics posted by owners in link below. 58? Contact owner.
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/
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Re: [RBW] Saddle Advice Needed, Especially From the Riv Chica Warriors

[Joe Bernard]

I'll second Frederick's advice. "Fine for years" tells me you've worn through 
its usefulness. The discomfort you describe is exactly my experience on cushy 
plastic saddles that are supposed to be "comfortable": 15 minutes is all I can 
do before they turn unbearable. I think your Brooks has hit the too soft stage. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Also found on Saluki

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

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>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc486-forrestmeyer0508.html
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>> One looks more like knight armour-like.
>> One looks more swooshy/modern.
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>> I like both. The swooshy one is very clean and mellow looking.
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>> I'm thinking the knight version is maybe built in usa by one of those
>> early riv bike frame builders? Maybe a custom version? Like if you ordered
>> a Bombadil today? But what do i know.
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