Re: [RBW] Re: Tubus racks for Summer tour with a few thoughts pictures.

2013-04-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hi Shoji,

I found it on the Classic Rendezvous lightweight vintage bicycles
group. I think he posted one of his original bikes there recently.

Best,

Hugh
Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Shoji Takahashi
shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for posting that, Hugh. Nice read. Now I'm gonna google for more
 pics.



 On Friday, April 26, 2013 3:36:16 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 Thought I'd add this interesting article I came across about a frame and
 rack builder from the 80's I found it interesting I hope you do as well.


 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

 On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:11:53 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Wow when I decide to create this post I had no idea! I want to thank all
 who have contributed and thank you for sharing all of your experiences with
 the Tubus, Nitto, Axiom and other racks. Still haven't had a chance to mount
 my new racks, but will soon enough. What I have learned so far is don't bend
 a Tubus rack too far  or else, and Jim Thill's comment:

 As far as Tubus customer service, or any customer service...I never put
 my faith in an email's ability to communicate my point (or get through spam
 filters). I have a hunch that a phone call to Ortlieb/Tubus USA would have
 the desired result. I talk to those people all the time. They're really
 helpful.

 I didn't buy my Tubus racks because they had a 10 year warranty I
 purchased them because they seemed to have been well thought out and their
 price point, and as I stated I have no experience with any of these racks
 but look forward to having some data to report back.

 Again thanks to all.

 Best,

 Hugh




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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-22 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Doug,

I was wondering how you were going to handle that scratch? I figured
as you've had your bike over 10 years you got over the idea of
scratches a while ago.

~Hugh
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:49 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Every couple of years I get a fresh bottle of model paint  go to it.  After
 a couple of hours, I get bored, declare the effort hopeless  give up for a
 while.  Of course, the big gouge I got pitching the bike around the Mt
 Gleason gate a couple of weeks back will have to be covered,  there's some
 rust happening in the chain suck area so I'm likely to do something yet this
 year.

 dougP


 On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:01:48 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be
 interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups
 associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those
 within the group who will fall somewhere in between.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-22 Thread Hugh Smitham
Ha, Ha! That's great Andy . Hey as a side note I like Google plusa it
let's you zoom in.

Best,


Hugh
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 I'm not likely to invest any time into touch-up efforts, but I'm prepared if
 I change my mind.
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-22 Thread Hugh Smitham
Beausage :-)

Best,


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:54 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Perfect match, good job on that.

 I touch up w/ clear when I come across them. Also have some close-ish
 matched nail polish I use. I don't mind scratches from use, but I put on a
 big chip from smacking the TT w/ a floor pump. Still pissed about
 that...http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2361652997/ (warning: don't
 freak out, it's on flickr, which I still like)

 Cheers,
 David



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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Joe,

I feel that way with cars! So I buy pre owned.


Hugh
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 I've found that, if you don't wash your bike regularly, the dirt often
 covers them up.

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 I wince. Both when I do it, and when I notice it later.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Bryan,

You're so right! But my wife is giving me resistance as my commute
would be late at night; she's scared for me. On the scratches I'm not
too worried, the vid came from Keven after we had a conversation about
touch up paint Haha Riv don't do touch up paint. I can at times can be
a little Felix  but I'm mellowing out and just using the bicycle.

Best,


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 Joe,

 I feel that way with cars! So I buy pre owned.


 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


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 I've found that, if you don't wash your bike regularly, the dirt often
 covers them up.

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 I wince. Both when I do it, and when I notice it later.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Always nice to have an artist in the Family.

Best,



Hugh
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On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zME3g-4Zjyk/UZvkWg9abXI/ApE/qxZR74ySwnE/s1600/aP5040006.JPG

 my daughter loves to paint...


 On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:01:48 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be
 interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups
 associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those
 within the group who will fall somewhere in between.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=33gojC_e5hUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Rex my AAH has a custom color too but no touch up paint for me :-(


Hugh
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On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Riv doesn't do touchup paint?

 My AHH frame came with a small bottle of matching touch-up paint.  Then
 again, I ordered a custom color so the painter probably saved it for me.  I
 used it to touch a tiny chip I found on the seatstay during assembly and
 then managed to crack the cap and dry it out, so no more matching touchup
 paint for me. :-)


 On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bryan,

 You're so right! But my wife is giving me resistance as my commute
 would be late at night; she's scared for me. On the scratches I'm not
 too worried, the vid came from Keven after we had a conversation about
 touch up paint Haha Riv don't do touch up paint. I can at times can be
 a little Felix  but I'm mellowing out and just using the bicycle.

 Best,


 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Joe,
 
  I feel that way with cars! So I buy pre owned.
 
 
  Hugh
  Sunland, Ca
 
 
  On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I've found that, if you don't wash your bike regularly, the dirt often
  covers them up.
 
  On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I wince. Both when I do it, and when I notice it later.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Mike sorry to hear you went down. At least you're okay and the
bike just needs to be touched up.

Best,


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Mike Schiller
mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 took a pretty good dump today on a steep dirt drop off... besides a few
 nasty dirt abrasions I had two 3/4 inch long chips on my downtube. I ordered
 some touch up paint and will do a 4 part process.  Touch up paint, sand,
 more paint, steel wool. then spray clear and polish with scratch remover to
 smooth out.  Too big and too obvious to leave alone.  Gunna put on the
 knobbies tomorrow.

 ~mike


 On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:01:48 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Curious what you Rivsters think? Below video is curious. It'll be
 interesting to see how many of us fall into the two distinct groups
 associated with our perception of our bikes. I'm sure there will be those
 within the group who will fall somewhere in between.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gojC_e5hU

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you deal with scratches on your frame?

2013-05-23 Thread Hugh Smitham
Minh,

Good point and here in LA it's nice and cool compared to the day. I'm
gonna do it soon.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:
 it depends on the route you take, but i find riding at nite can be safer,
 less people, more open road, bike lights are really great now.

 and there is something peaceful with riding at the nite, the quiet, the
 moonlight.


 On Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:45:29 AM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 Bryan,

 You're so right! But my wife is giving me resistance as my commute
 would be late at night; she's scared for me. On the scratches I'm not
 too worried, the vid came from Keven after we had a conversation about
 touch up paint Haha Riv don't do touch up paint. I can at times can be
 a little Felix  but I'm mellowing out and just using the bicycle.

 Best,


 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


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  Joe,
 
  I feel that way with cars! So I buy pre owned.
 
 
  Hugh
  Sunland, Ca
 
 
  On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I've found that, if you don't wash your bike regularly, the dirt often
  covers them up.
 
  On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Rick richard...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I wince. Both when I do it, and when I notice it later.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: We're all in trouble

2013-05-24 Thread Hugh Smitham
That's news to me Doug. You told me you've been living outta the Atlantis
:-)

Best,
On May 24, 2013 3:10 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 I've been asked if I was homeless.  Hard to tell an Atlantis is much of a
 bike if it's buried under enough gear.

 dougP

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Re: [RBW] Riv Bikes Tackle The Mountains

2013-05-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Mike,

I figured I took it too literal. Yeah I can imagine working in an ER
would make me want alone time too. I'm a fairly social person but at
times human contact can wear me out especially as I age. Solo rides
are wonderful because you don't have to compromise on the ride you
desire. I like your equating a solo ride to a walkabout.

I just finished reading about Freddie Hoffman now he inspires me. Talk
about a ramble.

David was complementary  and said you were someone to definitely ride
with. So it's my plan to ride with PDX folks next year. I love Puddle
town and have never ridden my bike up there, so many reasons to visit.

Best,



Hugh (Overly literal)
Sunland, Ca


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:43:50 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Mike,

 I like the Buddhist's notion of  the middle path which Plato understood
 even earlier. I appreciate being on my bicycle out in nature alone in a
 meditative state of mind but can appreciate sharing it with nice humans.
 Like my Riv Brothers and Sisters. Perhaps I'm taking you're comment to
 literal which I can too often do.
 Best,

 Hugh



 Definitely taking it too literal. No worries stuff doesn't always translate
 over the Interweb. I do love post ride grub with riding companions after an
 exceptional ride. Still, like Henry C., I don't hate people, but I do
 sometimes feel better when they're not around. My work days are spent in a
 frequently hectic environment (an emergency room) so I enjoy my solitude on
 my days off.

 I've actually ridden with David here in Portland a few years ago. It was a
 great ride but too short. Unfortunately we were unable to connect the last
 time he was here. I've ridden with others from the list and it's always been
 fun.

 I remember back in SF I knew people that couldn't handle riding alone which
 always seemed kind of sad to me. Ever since I started riding I've enjoyed
 riding alone. I remember doing my first century after I had been riding 6
 months, I felt like I was on a walkabout. Same with my first solo S24O years
 later.

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Re: [RBW] Riv Bikes Tackle The Mountains

2013-05-27 Thread Hugh Smitham
Yep he is.

Best,


Hugh
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On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 10:36 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mike talks a good talk, but don't let him fool you, he's a pretty good guy.
 :-)

 Cheers,
 David



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 One thing that's really weird about Portland is that in spite of being
 surround by forest and having access to dirt roads, it's not like down there
 where you have access to singletrack. If you want to singletrack here you
 gotta throw the bikes in the car and drive for an hour or so although once
 there it's pretty awesome.

 Glad everyone down there had fun on the ride.

 Andy has been getting some Riv rides together up here. I'll miss the ride
 next weekend although I'm sure to get out for some riding and will be going
 to a live taping of Live Wire
 (http://www.livewireradio.org/attend_a_live_show) with my wife and friends.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for AHH?

2013-05-28 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey, don't leave me out! I'll ride SD :-) I like to get lost on a bike.

~Hugh
Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Curtis:

 Congrats on the new bike.  These guys will overwhelm you with great tire
 suggestions (which can lead to lively discussions) but my advice is run
 what you brung.  Mostly this works but was sub-optimal on last weekends
 Loch Leven sand / gravel / rock sections.  Pay attention if David mentions
 knobbies.  My Atlantis is currently shod with 40mm Vittoria Rando Hypers
 which ride nice but proved a bit light for the loose stuff.

 With Mike in Carlsbad  me in southern Orange County, do I sense a Fallbrook
 - Escondido - Elfin Forest - ??? loop or perhaps Mt Palomar in the future?
 Stick with us, we'll get you lost for sure.

 dougP


 On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 5:44:30 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Hi Curtis,

 I live in North County (Carlsbad) and also ride with the SoCal Riv group
 that  Hugh mentioned. I'm most familiar with North County as I've only lived
 here about 18 months. There are  some nice areas to ride north of Escondido
 to Rainbow and the Rancho Santa Fe area.

 There a lot more choices for 700C tires,if that is what you are getting,
 depending on you if  ride mostly on pavement or like dirt roads mixed in
 your travels.

 Congrats on the Homer, they are beautiful and versatile bikes.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca



 On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:58:15 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:

 Hi,

 Have been reading the post year for about a month.

 Just bought a AHH.  Should have my hands on it next week.  Is is normal
 not to sleep so well due to anticipation of a new bike?

 I ride mostly on the poorly mainatained roads in the San Diego East
 County.  Any recommendations for tires would be helpful.  I would also like
 to hear about any recommendations for places to ride this bike in and around
 San Diego.  Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bug protection face mask?

2013-06-03 Thread Hugh Smitham
Garth,

I disagree the bug net I wore was fine to breath through while in exertion.

Best,


Hugh
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 Buy some cheap mesh at a camping store or some place and cut into a square
 and make a bandanna out of it and wear it bandido style :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-06-06 Thread Hugh Smitham
Let's shoot for a SoCal, NorCal adventure in July and the S240 @ El
Morro on any of the open weekends. Just my two cents worth.

~Hugh
Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 We'd picked July with the 12th, 19th  26th open.  I need to contact the
 park to see if they've got any large groups scheduled.  Now is a good time
 to do so as I expect any large group would need to plan well in advance.

 OTH, if the stars align for an out of town adventure with the NorCal group
 that would be preferable.  People have more flexibility in summer so I think
 the turnout would be better.  Those elevations are definitely for summer
 time too.  I don't know any of those areas so it would be new turf, which is
 always welcome.

 dougP


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 Mike that's an interesting idea, I was recently thinking about a short
 tour/camping in the Southern Sierra. I'd be game if it was scheduled on a
 weekend  I'll take a day or more off if necessary. I too like where this is
 going. Doug don't we have a S240 tentatively planned in July? El Morro camp?

 Best,

 ~Hugh

 On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:28:22 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 The Central Coast has some nice rides for sure. Except Paso and Templeton
 get really hot in summer... like 100 degrees.  How about somewhere like
 Huntington Lake. There are some nice backcounty roads up there including
 Kaiser Pass. The roads into Edison and Florence lake are remote, single lane
 and above 7000 ft. There are campgrounds and hotels around Huntington.
 There is quite a bit of climbing to Kaiser pass which is at 9184 ft.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen store NOW OPEN.

2013-06-07 Thread Hugh Smitham
Seth,

If he made a patch with the Tardis I'd buy it! And yes a bit.


Hugh
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On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is it just me or does the button look a bit like the Tardis?

 -sv



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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-06-07 Thread Hugh Smitham
I'd be good with the Southern Sierra on Manny's date. Just wondering
though is it worth a 4 hour drive 8 hour RT for two days? Shall we
make it at least three? Or would that cause a drop off in
participation?

Mike since you know the area let's talk route. I imagine we would have
have a meet up spot, then ride to a base camp with a next day Rumble.
Just throwing it out there perhaps Meet at Shaver lake and ride to
Huntington Lake 22 miles for camping then the next day ride out
perhaps toward Kaiser peak on some of those graded dirt roads? Or meet
at Huntington Lake and ride the 24 miles toward Florence Lake? Let me
know what you think? If this firms up I'll look for a USGS map of the
area.

Best,


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 General Rule of thumb for most trips is that the designation can always be
 changed but the date needs to be set in place.

 I propose the date for the California Ramble Rumble as July 27-28.



 On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53:02 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Damn Andy and his rumbling shenanigans now there needs to be a rumble in
 Cal.

 Slight talks on the other threads. Like to clean things and get things
 semi more organized.
 Lets make this happen I'm off for the summer and I wouldn't mind driving
 down somewhere in the middle.

 Any ideas?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen store NOW OPEN.

2013-06-07 Thread Hugh Smitham
Stephen,

I just bought the small patch. Thanks.

Best,


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Something like this?

 http://www.etsy.com/listing/153368661/doctor-who-circle-sew-on-patch?ref=v1_other_1

 or are you talking about the Tardis-y looking Moka button as a patch?


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 Seth,

 If he made a patch with the Tardis I'd buy it! And yes a bit.


 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


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  Is it just me or does the button look a bit like the Tardis?
 
  -sv
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-07 Thread Hugh Smitham
Yep. I don't bash anyone's bike materiel nor their clothing. I had a
carbon bike and I loved it and I rode with lycra and well I felt like
a dweeb also felt obligated to go fast.That got old quick. I got tired
of returning a super duper light $150 saddle cause the plastic shell
broke two times, that carbon bike developed hairline cracks at the
bottom bracket Cervelo replaced it. I sold it to finance my AHH. Best
maneuver I've ever made. I just ran an errand on my Hilsen tonight
basket up front baggins type handlebar bag, rear lights and a Cygolite
just two miles RT total enjoyment, wouldn't have done that on my
carbon. To each their own whatever makes you happy.

I think it's okay to discuss the merits of different paradigms as long
as we don't go all Mensa about it.

Oh yeah and I have some lonely lycra kits hanging in my closet if
anyone on this list secretly wears the stuff you're welcome to em :-)

Best,




Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:52 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Some of my best riding buds ride CF.  Some of them chuckle at my lugged
 steel bike.  The coffee shop doesn't care what we ride, and we talk about
 travels, current events, books  movies.  No one cares seriously what
 material the other's bike is made from.  It's just a bike.

 dougP


 On Friday, June 7, 2013 2:26:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Great photo! If only it read Rivendell instead of Bridgestone!

 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Friday, June 7, 2013 6:00:58 AM UTC-7, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Being familiar with Grant P.'s feelings carbon bicycles, and this
 group's strong preference for steel and in particular, lugged steel bikes;
 it seems a bit unrealistic to request that this group not engage in
 anti-carbon discussion. I would imagine it's akin to going to a group with 
 a
 fondness for traditional film camera and ask that they not dis digital
 photography. Just sayin'...


 But are you *really* familiar with Grant P's feelings towards carbon
 bikes:

 http://sheldonbrown.com/lasvegas/2005/pages/13.html

 Good Luck!


 Shaun


 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm more comfortable - even without gel diapers


 On Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:42:20 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 On Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:17:24 AM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:

 please oh please oh please let's not let this develop into an anti-
 carbon discussion. Lets just let everyone ride whatever kind of bike 
 it is
 they want to ride and be happy that they are out there riding. We 
 should be
 celebrating our sameness (bikes) and not fighting over our differences
 (steel vs cf, tire width, position, etc.).


 Then On Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:39:12 PM UTC-5, pb wrote:



 But if you apply that policy, how do you know -- and prove the fact
 to others -- that you are smarter, righter, better, and part of a 
 superior
 group of people?


 While I know that this is tongue-in-cheek, I humbly offer that  I am
 not smarter, righter, and better and that we are not a superior group of
 people—but rather that I am part of a group of people who are bound by 
 love
 for things Riv, and especially by love for Rivendell bicycles.  We are 
 bound
 by love and that is our sameness.

 okay, now I'll step down from my tiny tippy soapbox ;0)
 -RCW

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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-06-07 Thread Hugh Smitham
I agree with Anne my thoughts exactly. I'll drive to the Sierra's
perhaps some carpooling can happen?

Mike, you obviously know this area and I don't know the area at all so
I'll need to map it a bit in the near future. Sort of preoccupied and
full in on next week's tour down the coast.


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 Better for fall/winter/early spring than for high summer.

 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com 
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 food for thought
 http://pathlesspedaled.com/2013/01/california-dreaming-undiscovered-cycling-playground/



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Re: [RBW] Re: Guys and Their Carbon Toys

2013-06-08 Thread Hugh Smitham
Ron Mc,

Correct.


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 However, it's not the technological revolution these billboards want us to
 believe.  It's probably the right edge for a serious racer, but there are
 people buying them who don't know better and would be better off on our kind
 of bikes.


 On Friday, June 7, 2013 3:39:28 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 I just came from a shop that heads all the hill country sports events.
 They were assembling a new carbon bike for a guy standing there and waiting.
 All great folks, and my favorite shop.  They were servicing the BB on the
 Team Fuji lugged steel frame I bought for my daughter to build on summer
 break - they went crazy over it.  If carbon is for them, more power to them
 - it ain't for me.


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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-06-08 Thread Hugh Smitham
Too bad they didn't show the NorCalers on Steel bikes and SoCalers
driving low riders doing battle :-)


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On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote:
 Let the wild rumpus start!

 http://vimeo.com/19843769


 On Friday, June 7, 2013 11:48:51 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 So date seems set.

 July 27-28 For the Rivendell Ramble Rumble (California Edition)

 Now lets agree on a place where we can meet.

 Lets worry about route and places to sleep afterwords. If we can all agree
 on a central place then those things will fall into place.
 Not like any of those things are super important.. We can make those
 things up as we go!


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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-06-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
 I was hoping for the Sierra's and of course will go with the
consensuses as SLO is a good second. Considering coming up Friday. I
have requested Sunday the 29th off so we'll see how that shapes up.

~Hugh
Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 So what kind of timetable are people planning? Arrive on Friday night or
 Saturday Morning?   Trying to figure out if someone should reserve a
 campsite for Friday night.

 I'm planning on arriving on the 100pm Surfliner  on Friday from LA. There is
 also one that arrives from LA @ 830pm.

 The Coast Starlight arrives at 320pm from SF.

 There is a hostel near the train station  in SLO, but bike parking is
 outside.

 it's 16 miles to Morro Bay from the Amtrak Station if we stay there.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bristle to remove the bristle.

2013-06-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
The Rabbi in me won't :-)


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 Don't do it!

 Bryan


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 Makes me almost want to shave.

 http://www.rivbike.com/proraso-shave-brush-p/goo21.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv'ed LHT

2013-06-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
 Mike,

He was lamenting whether to go with 700c or 26 I told him with the
26 you'll have a vast  choice of tires with different tread, and a
cushy ride. I do think he needs to lower the HB's and just have the
spacers above. I also recalled what you said about wishing you'd had
the 26 er which I passed on to him. Also I believe the smaller wheel
is easier to get spinning which I would deem appropriate with a load.

And yeah I'm planning on snapping some pic's bought a 8 gig SD card.


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 I'm sure he'll love that bike. Looks great although I do think he could come
 down a bit on the bars as they look a bit high. But if that's where he like
 them, then he should leave him. Somewhere on the Surly site it mentions that
 their steerer tubes are sturdy and  you don't have to worry about having
 them uncut and stacked.

 Like Eric, I'm a big fan of the 26 wheeled LHTs in larger sizes. I sorta
 wish when I had purchased mine that I had gone with a 26 wheeled model.

 Looking forward to pictures from your tour Hugh.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv'ed LHT

2013-06-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
Doug,

Thanks for the kind words. I of course agree with holding off on
cutting too soon. His mechanic was in a hurry to cut it and he
resisted.


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:07 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Looks good.  I agree he should leave the steerer alone until he's 100%
 comfortable with it.  Don't hurry with the hacksaw.

 Touring bike? check
 Stout racks?  check
 Chubby tires:  check

 OK, load it up  go!  Have a good trip  post pics.

 dougP


 On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:11:59 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 My Brothers new LHT with Surly racks  26 wheels. I talked him into this
 one as he didn't want to spend $4K+ on an Atlantis. I think it's a great
 looking bike and came with a great group.Our up coming tour will flesh out
 how he likes it. He'll be running Ortlieb Back rollers and Arkel T-28's in
 front. We decided on not cutting the steerer tube until later.I think the
 smog white color is awesome looking.

 Your thoughts?

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/9028081015/

 ~Hugh


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv'ed LHT

2013-06-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
Funny he's putting a  VO stem on today. and he's already running the
Big Apples. 700 x 50 is impressive I imagine without fenders?
Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 Don't fear the stacked steerer tube.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/8316708732/in/photolist-dEViKS

 This was my LHT set-up for its maiden voyage. Fenders and many miles have
 since been added.

 The nice thing about the 26ers is that you can fit a 2.15 tire, that
 includes many mountain bike tires but also Schwabe Big Apples and Big Bens.
 The largest tire I've fit on my LHT is the 700x47 Marathons (actual 42) seen
 in the picture above although I've read reports of people putting 700x50
 Schwalbe tires.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv'ed LHT

2013-06-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
BTW, I hadn't noticed the wheel size in the photo.  Put a chubby tire on 
26 looks just fine.  Exactly!

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Before I got my Atlantis, I was talking to Riv about a custom for
 touring.  One of my specs was 26 wheels.  To me, versatility is key, and
 for my purposes 26 was preferable.  Long story made short, I've never
 regretted my stock 58 cm Atlantis with 700 wheels.  But if I was a bike
 designer, I'd just use 26 for everything.  Probably a good thing I'm not
 in charge.  BTW, I hadn't noticed the wheel size in the photo.  Put a
 chubby tire on  26 looks just fine.

 dougP


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 Mike,

 He was lamenting whether to go with 700c or 26 I told him with the
 26 you'll have a vast  choice of tires with different tread, and a
 cushy ride. I do think he needs to lower the HB's and just have the
 spacers above. I also recalled what you said about wishing you'd had
 the 26 er which I passed on to him. Also I believe the smaller wheel
 is easier to get spinning which I would deem appropriate with a load.

 And yeah I'm planning on snapping some pic's bought a 8 gig SD card.


 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


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  I'm sure he'll love that bike. Looks great although I do think he could
 come
  down a bit on the bars as they look a bit high. But if that's where he
 like
  them, then he should leave him. Somewhere on the Surly site it mentions
 that
  their steerer tubes are sturdy and  you don't have to worry about
 having
  them uncut and stacked.
 
  Like Eric, I'm a big fan of the 26 wheeled LHTs in larger sizes. I
 sorta
  wish when I had purchased mine that I had gone with a 26 wheeled
 model.
 
  Looking forward to pictures from your tour Hugh.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-06-14 Thread Hugh Smitham
Mike,

Have you made a reservation for Morro Strand Camp?

-Hugh
On Jun 14, 2013 3:09 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 Just checked out the reviews on Taco Temple...  looks like we have a
 Friday night dinner spot. I'ts .6 miles from  Morro Strand Campground.

 ~mike

 On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:22 PM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:

 I will be coming down from SF, late on Friday night. My vote is for a
 cooler windswept beach. I think the strand is reasonably close to the Taco
 Temple. Also wouldn't mind carpooling if someone else wants to drive down
 late on Friday from SF area.

 Michael Allen

 On Friday, June 14, 2013 7:52:24 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 which nights will you be down? Friday and Saturday night or just
 Saturday night?  And windswept beach or inland valley campground?

 looks like at least 5 from SoCal are planning on being there.

 ~mike

 On Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:48:12 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Lots of great talk. Lots of expectations.

 Dirt options look good. Before the route gets made up

 Lets decide on campgrounds.

 There was a handful mention...

 On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:10:29 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:

 Doug,

 I caution you on accommodations.

 I believe most campgrounds will be in demand with limited
 reservations, if any, with maybe some first come first served spots.

 El Chorro says on their website that arriving in the middle toward end
 of the week is the best chance.

 I wouldn't count on camp ground hopping but then again you might get
 lucky.

 Another thought is checking Craigslist and maybe getting a rental for
 a few days, if you have enough people this may be economically workable.

 As you know there are many distances / possibilities. Out to the coast
 and back could be anywhere from 30-40 miles. looping through Morro Bay to
 Los Osos /  estuary up over Turri Road to Los Osos Valley Road (LOVR) back
 toward SLO up O'Connor way through Camp San Luis / Cuesta College would be
 manageable for many.

 As mentioned my post that didn't post I am a daily work commuter. 16
 miles round trip from SLO to Cuesta College and errands / shopping on
 weekends puts me at a comfortable 90+ miles a week. I don't do much long
 distance on the weekends so I don't know many of the local courses but
 there's something for everyone.

 Mitch Browne
 San Luis Obispo, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

2013-06-20 Thread Hugh Smitham
Doug,

Haven't yet seen my pictures on a good screen and will have some editing to
do but I'll have em up soon. I think you'll enjoy them.

I learned a lot and for sure have the cyclotourist bug.

-Hugh
On Jun 20, 2013 9:04 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 So far that looks to be the anchor point, with individual arrival 
 departure dates TBD.  I'll be in the area earlier  likely stay later but
 nothing fixed yet.

 Hugh,  I know you're on a timeline back from Paso but we'll look for a
 trip report with photos soon.

 dougP

 On Thursday, June 20, 2013 5:14:09 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,

 Well just rolled into Paso Robles after seeing some of California's
 finest. Been outta the loop for a bit so lets see if I've got the plans
 down. Meeting up @ El Chorro on Saturday camping that night and riding on
 Sunday. Mike are you still camping at Morro Strand?

 Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Big Sur Tour

2013-06-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks Perry! The ride was great. Everyday my job was to pedal nothing else
to be concerned about. Pure joy.

~Hugh

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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:04 AM, bobish bob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well done! Love the photos, especially. And the beard. Mustn't forget.
 Kudos to the beard! :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Sur Tour

2013-06-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks Andy. It was groovy. Next a tour from Portland to SF?

~Hugh

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 Looks like you and the sib had a groovy trip. Thanks for the write up.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Sur Tour

2013-06-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey David, yeah that was my job for a week :-)

~Hugh

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On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 8:31 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hugh, that is quite the trip! Glad you were able to work around the
 road-blocks (some literal!) that came your way!

 Cheers,
 David



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 Fantastic! Glad everything worked out with the departure and getting to
 visit RBWHQ.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Sur Tour

2013-06-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Another lesson: Check with local cyclists if possible. Locals would
probably not have routed you on Highway 92. King's Mountain or Old La
Honda would have been recommended; it's possible to ride 92, as you
discovered, but better alternatives exist.  In Northern California,
highways are not called THE N. They are just called N, so for
example Highway 92 is called Highway 92.

Hi Anne,

Well while at Riv they and a local cyclist mentioned La Honda but I
stubbornly stuck to The 92 oophs I mean Hwy 92 as time was a factor. Live
and learn next time it'll be from SF down the coast by way of the Great Hwy
oh darn there's that the again! You know what I mean.

~Hugh

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sounds like a great trip! Touring the Pacific Coast in the warmer
 months is always a bike party.

 Another lesson: Check with local cyclists if possible. Locals would
 probably not have routed you on Highway 92. King's Mountain or Old La
 Honda would have been recommended; it's possible to ride 92, as you
 discovered, but better alternatives exist.  In Northern California,
 highways are not called THE N. They are just called N, so for
 example Highway 92 is called Highway 92.

 About the train: Cyclists need reservations for the bike on the Coast
 Starlight now? When I have ridden it with my bike, I have arrived
 early, boxed my bike and paid for it, and then given it to the baggage
 people with no trouble. I've never made a reservation beforehand, just
 arrived at the station by bike and boxed the bike (in a box supplied
 by Amtrak). Is it a new policy that bikes need reservations?

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  Fantastic! Glad everything worked out with the departure and getting to
  visit RBWHQ.
 
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Re: [RBW] Big Sur Tour

2013-06-30 Thread Hugh Smitham
Yes to all of your sentiment. I loved my job for a week of pedaling :-)



Hugh
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On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:25 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 The joy of bike touring is the simplicity of bike-eat-sleep, with your
 whole world right there in a few bags.

 dougP


 On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:48:43 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Thanks Perry! The ride was great. Everyday my job was to pedal nothing
 else to be concerned about. Pure joy.

 ~Hugh

 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


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 Well done! Love the photos, especially. And the beard. Mustn't forget.
 Kudos to the beard! :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Sur Tour

2013-06-30 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks Doug,

I learned a great deal not the least of take more days off, reduce miles
per day so you can soak it all in I.E. take more pictures,camp more, bring
less clothing as if you bring the right stuff you can wash  dry quickly. I
enjoyed meeting different cyclotourists and especially enjoyed the
diversity of machines they choose to ride.



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:20 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Hugh:

 You really are the man with the camera.  Great photos.  I can guess which
 bikes belong to the Belgian couple.  Trekking bars  a full complement of
 Ortleibs (in red or black, rarely yellow) are the giveaway.

 For ...not really a loaded touring bike I'll guess the Hilsen did just
 fine.  It sure looks the part with those beautiful Tubus racks.  Don't you
 love the variety of bikes  camping gear people use?  A couple of friends
 have Novarra Sarfaris and one guy was musing on doing the Xtracycle thing.
 Now I can point him to a photo.  Of course, no one is set up like that guy
 with the giant trailer!  People like that make the world a much more
 interesting place.

 dougP


 On Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:38:17 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 My Brother Bruce and I have been planning a cyclotour from San Francisco
 to Paso Robles for months and all the planning paid off. On June 14thBruce 
 picked me up in LA loaded up the bikes and headed for Paso Robles
 where we were planning to catch the Amtrak coast starlight to Oakland.

 The Coast Star Light was 20 minutes late and when it arrived the chief
 conductor said we could not bring our bikes aboard as we had not made
 reservations for boxes. If we had all we’d have needed to do was remove the
 pedals and loosen the handlebars and roll it into the box provided.
 Needless to say we were in a bind, what to do? It was Friday on graduation
 weekend and 5:30pm most of the rental car establishments were closing and
 the ones that were open had no cars to rent especially one way.  We rented
 a Camry in SLO  for $100 a day drove back to Paso and dropped off our car
 stuffed the tour bikes in the Camry and make it to the Clarion Hotel in
 Oakland at midnight my front fender took a hit and was bent awkwardly.

 The following day we jumped on BART and headed to RivHQ. How can you be
 so close to the epicenter of relaxed common sense cycling and not stop in?
 It was mandatory. We made some repairs and final purchases met with Will,
 Sean, Scott, Harry  the man behind it all Grant who was busy on a photo
 shoot preparing for a BW catalogue.  Harry  Scott helped us Google map a
 route over to Pigeon Point Lighthouse and Grant humored me with a pose with
 the loaded Hilsen and said “the Hilsen’s not really a loaded tour bike”.
 But he felt it would handle just fine. We finally made our way back to the
 BART albeit late and headed for San Bruno. From there we promptly got
 confused as the Beta bicycle map feature lead us along a bikeway of
 enumerable (Lesson carry a map) turns and eventually lead us up to a closed
 bridge near Crystal Springs Reservoir. Fortunately we met a local cyclist
 who got us straightened out and we were on our way to Half Moon Bay via the
 92 (note to self never take this route again) which had little to no
 shoulder lots of traffic and was windy.

 We stopped in Half Moon Bay refueled with sandwiches and continued to our
 Light house destination for the evening.

 The next day was our big mileage day 70 miles to the Marina area just
 north of Monterey via the farm lands of Castroville and Watsonville. The
 Ramada provided us with warm showers great beds and a breakfast in the
 morning where we loaded up with instant oatmeal and peanut butter for our
 two days in the Sur.  We both agreed that night’s pizza “The Luau” was the
 best ever!

 Our third day of riding took us through Monterey and Caramels 17 mile
 drive which if by car there was a fee and if by bicycle well we just rolled
 through the gate another benefit of being on a bicycle. I’ve got to say
 that this stretch is amazing as there are no large cliffs and reminds me of
 La Jolla in San Diego. We made a pit stop at the grocery store at the south
 end of Carmel to load up on supplies, Dutch Crunch bread, fresh fruit and
 other essentials.  One of my fender nuts had fallen off and there was an
 Ace Hardware store where I conveniently got a replacement.  We continued on
 for another 26 miles to the Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park hike  bike camp
 located a bit away from the water but none the less beautiful as it was in
 a Redwood grove and $5 per person, warm showers and Velo-culture abounded,
 it was like riding into a cyclo city just awesome! We met so many great
 people.

 Next morning we made our way toward Kirk Creek Camp which was situated
 near the water and a bit exposed. The thing was that the hike and bike area
 had been overtaken by car campers as they liked the location and we were
 relegated to a typical car camp spot, that didn’t dampen our mood as 

Re: [RBW] Re: Morning coffee ride on the freshly painted All Rounder!

2013-07-08 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Brad,

I'm not one for too many rules but can see the enjoyment when one finds
said MOJO within those guidelines. I personally just like it when I find a
totem that speaks to me while on the road.. Now I'll be thinking of the
rules as I pedal and see what I see.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote:

 TOTAL MOJO!  We are peas from the same moto pod. Not only was it a 'thing'
 in our group too, but there were rules surrounding the acquisition of the
 mojo.

 -It had to be found or gifted, never bought.
 -It had to be found while riding.
 -Once acquired it had to attached to the bike right then by whatever means
 was available.
 -If it falls off during a ride, it must be buried.
 -A new mojo can only be attached once the old one 'retires'.
 -And for me, a mojo stayed with a bike if it moved on. The bike led to the
 totem, so the totem should finish it's journey with the bike.

 Interestingly, my first one was a puffy sticker of Mr. Jinxs the cat
 from Pixie and Dixie. It's followed me in many ways since.

 Brad 'jinxed' Click

 On Monday, July 8, 2013 3:48:18 PM UTC-6, shawn m. wrote:

 Love it. I'm doing this tomorrow!

 Also: love the mojo in the last shot. Did I just date myself by calling
 it 'mojo'? Back 'round 1990 it was a 'thing' at least among the mtb crowd I
 ran with. I recall that when my 1989 Rockhopper was stolen I was
 disproportionately concerned with the loss of my 'one-legged C-3PO
 on-a-noose' mojo.

 I guess since there's no epic 'mojo photo thread' on the list, it's
 become a fringe thing... apart from the occasional rabbit's foot, anyway.

 Shawn
 Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Terrible News

2013-07-11 Thread Hugh Smitham
I'm in. It's a great idea.



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 I'm in.

 Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 On Jul 10, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Evan evanellio...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like Bob Barr's postcard suggestion. What do you-all think? If some or
 many of us are willing to send a postcard, and if Jack Warman agrees that a
 postcard memorial sounds all right, perhaps Jack could post a mailing
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell sighting what are the odds?

2013-07-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hi Tom,

Really like the build it looks awesome! Most of my family live in Carmel
Valley and I ride their occasionally. Perhaps we can put together a day
ride one of these days.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please allow me to introduce myself.  I am Tom Virgil and a Samuel
 Hillborne rider.  The new Rivendell bike entered my life in late May 2013.
  I am still dialing the Sam in.  I live in Del Mar Heights, but often ride
 out to the beach on Carmel Valley Road.  You just might see another
 Rivendell out there; it's me.  I would be delighted to see one other than
 my own.  I am extremely pleased with my bike, but exercising some patience
 through the honeymoon before posting pros and cons.  I had great
 technical and sales support from Jared at Rivendell.  You can see my bike
 here http://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/sets/72157633958654979/.

 Best regards,

 Tom


 On Sunday, July 7, 2013 10:03:03 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Went out for a short ramble South of Del Mar through Torrey Pines reserve
 and just happened to run into another Hilsen on my way back, Curtis and his
 67cm Homer. I recall Curtis joining the bunch inquiring about San Diego
 mixed terrain rides as he had just acquired his Rivendell. What are the
 odds in SD county dominated with carbon that we'd run into each other? I'm
 not a mathematician but it seems the odds would be pretty high. Then again
 as the Rivendell anomaly amplifies the odds will be more favorable of such
 serendipitous meetings.It was a nice end to a ride.

 Pictures prove that it happened.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**pedalpusher61/sets/**72157634506333058/http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157634506333058/

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!

2013-08-01 Thread Hugh Smitham
Steve,

Seriously I've been using the iris cages now for two months with kleen
kanteens and admit they are a stiff pull, but in those two months I've
become use to them. I have never attempted to pull the third one bottom of
down tube  while riding as I believe you would need to have the flexibility
of a circ du soleil performer.

Perhaps you can hand bend them out a bit then mount them.

I used the Velo-Orange retro cages and they held the Kleen Kanteens okay
but on any rough terrain they rattled which was annoying.


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 On 08/01/2013 06:59 PM, hsmitham wrote:

 Steve,

 I like being able to get the bottles out while I am riding, and I
 couldn't do that with the King Iris, and god knows I tried.

 -more beer curls will help :-)



 That wouldn't help: you have to pull straight out to extract a bottle from
 a King Iris.  Curling, that is a curved lifting, will simply show you how
 strong those cages are and how weak you are in comparison.  Seriously, like
 trying to extract something from the jaws of a bulldog.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-01 Thread Hugh Smitham
Tom,

Thanks for the advice I neglected to mention said sage advice...humm as far
as moteling it where's the fun in that? That is unless they allow camp
fires in the lobby...I do hope you can make it.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 A ride up Camp Pendleton from Oceanside in late afternoon or early evening
 is a very nice experience.  A call to the Public Affairs Officer (PAO) at
 (760)-725-5799 or e-mail mcb.cpen.com...@usmc.mil can help clarify
 access.  There are no longer blanket long term closures, but some USMC
 training operations might block a particular set of days.  One needs to
 call ahead.  If the coast is clear (obvious chance to use that phrase,
 don't you know), you will need an ID such as a California Driver's license
 to clear the guard post at the South entrance.  If the coast is not clear,
 you are diverted onto the shoulder of I5.  I did that once after 9/11 in
 the era of long term closure and will never do it again; better to boost a
 ride on Metrolink and retain your sanity without lasting psychosis.

 For those who have never done it, the personnel on the base are very
 professional gentlemen and gentle-women.  I have never encountered anything
 but courtesy, encouragement, and enthusiasm from them on my rides across
 the base.  Sometimes they are performing operations and their equipment and
 professionalism is impressive.

 Camping with other Riv oriented folks at San Mateo sounds great.  I would
 love to see you and see the bikes.  I cannot commit because of mid-term
 reviews at my place of employment.  If I can break away, I will.  That's
 why it's an S24O!

 Some other options...  (Maybe not so S24O) Peddle up Camp Pendleton, dine
 at an Italian restaurant (recommend Guicho's), credit car tour into hotel
 (San Clemente Surf Inn works well), chow down at Adele's Cafe,  rest,
 digest, and ride back South.  My San Diego friends call this Pedal and
 Pig/Pig and Pedal.

 Hope I can hook up.

 Tom


 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:28:38 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way
 in. Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected
 this would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I
 think it would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link
 station. Food for thought.

 ~Hugh

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we
 do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so
 easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally.

 ~mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-01 Thread Hugh Smitham
Mitch,

It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug
has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with
appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for
Breakfast.

David mentioned a single track called the  No
Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels
Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be
riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen
then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming
and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal.

I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and  meeting at
Doug's.



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Mitch:

 Just get on down here  we'll make it happen.  My interpretation of the
 S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight  break the routine.
 Camping gear is easy to borrow.  Lodging is fine if it gets you away but
 you miss all the campfire fun.  But, wait, yes, you have lights!  You can
 hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away)  we'll see you for
 breakfast.

 dougP


 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:

 Hugh,

 I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn
 sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.

 Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton
 longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-**remember I don't know this area at all.

 Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here
 last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP.

 I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school.

 Mitch Browne
 San Luis Obispo, CA

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-01 Thread Hugh Smitham
Curtis,

Awesome! Glad to have you in on this one.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hugh, count me in. A great way to end the summer.


 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, hsmitham wrote:

 Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way
 in. Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected
 this would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I
 think it would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link
 station. Food for thought.

 ~Hugh

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we
 do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so
 easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally.

 ~mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread Hugh Smitham
Jim,

At the least you can drive down and hang with us or perhaps take a later
train to San Clemente which is a 5 mile ride to San Mateo Campground, then
we'll ride the single track, swim, eat and carry on about Rivendell bikes.


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to
 take requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not
 make it down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no.
 However, I'm gonna crash it if things work out.

 -Jim W.


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5  Culver Dr, and the Tustin
 Metrolink station.  From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a
 mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time.  So far looks like 4-5-6 (???).

 dougP

 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Mitch,

 It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug
 has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with
 appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for
 Breakfast.

 David mentioned a single track called the  No
 Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels
 Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be
 riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen
 then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming
 and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal.

 I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and  meeting
 at Doug's.



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:

 Mitch:

 Just get on down here  we'll make it happen.  My interpretation of the
 S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight  break the routine.
 Camping gear is easy to borrow.  Lodging is fine if it gets you away but
 you miss all the campfire fun.  But, wait, yes, you have lights!  You can
 hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away)  we'll see you for
 breakfast.

 dougP


 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:

 Hugh,

 I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn
 sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.

 Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton
 longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-**reme**mber I don't know this area at all.

 Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here
 last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP.

 I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school.

 Mitch Browne
 San Luis Obispo, CA

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could 
 either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread Hugh Smitham
David,

Let me see I have a spare tent you can use. I have a 1 person about 3 lbs 
2 person with a trail weight( Fly, poles  footprint) of 4 lbs works well.
Let me decide which I'm bringing and you can use the other. Cool?


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:44 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm hoping to make it, should be a lot of fun. The singletrack I
 mentioned and encourage you all to ride is very doable with Riv-ish
 bikes. It starts pretty close to the San Mateo Campground's entrance.

 Knobbies are not needed.

 Does anyone have an extra 1P tent I could borrow?

 On 8/1/13, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
  Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to
 take
  requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make
 it
  down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, I'm
  gonna crash it if things work out.
 
  -Jim W.
 
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 
  Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5  Culver Dr, and the Tustin
  Metrolink station.  From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a
  mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time.  So far looks like 4-5-6
 (???).
 
 
  dougP
 
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
  Mitch,
 
  It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug
  has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with
  appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for
  Breakfast.
 
  David mentioned a single track called the  No
  Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels
  Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be
  riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the
 Hilsen
  then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming
  and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal.
 
  I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and  meeting
 at
  Doug's.
 
 
 
  Hugh
  Sunland, Ca
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:
  Mitch:
 
  Just get on down here  we'll make it happen.  My interpretation of the
  S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight  break the routine.
  Camping gear is easy to borrow.  Lodging is fine if it gets you away but
  you miss all the campfire fun.  But, wait, yes, you have lights!  You
 can
  hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away)  we'll see you for
  breakfast.
 
  dougP
 
 
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:
  Hugh,
 
  I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn
  sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.
 
  Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton
  longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-remember I don't know this area at all.
 
  Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here
  last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP.
 
  I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school.
 
  Mitch Browne
  San Luis Obispo, CA
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 ride
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 good
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
  ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread Hugh Smitham
Tom,

Hope you can make it. As Grant puts it a S240 is a quick not too many
logistical issues involved affair, and even if there are issues it's just
an overnight the next day were all back to civilization. But yes it is
shaping up nicely. I hope to put more of these together and try to bring
more SoCal Riv riders together and not let the NorCalers  have all the fun.
As Evan put it, it's nice to have a mental health day.

Best.



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 going to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
 happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
 Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from
 Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice of
 Hugh to propose this.

 Best regards,

 Tom


 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread Hugh Smitham
I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart time.
If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work for
you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to
crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
  ~Hugh
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Hugh Smitham
Jim,

Thanks,  we'll make plans and hope it works out for you to join in.

Best,
On Aug 2, 2013 11:26 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:


 The problem is that my school has not given us an agenda yet, so you all
 should plan what works for you and then I'll jump in if possible.


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 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone?
 See details below.

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks Deacon, though the sheer beauty in which you and your family
bike-camp is awe inspiring. I can see why you live there.

~Hugh

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 I am in awe at the response you Westcoasters get on these things.
 Beautiful! Enjoy!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:12:14 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Hugh Smitham
Mike,

The earlier I would think the better.
David, thanks for the extra info on the single track. I'm sold especially
when you attached smiles, but I'm an easy sell:-)
 On Aug 3, 2013 1:09 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 or Irvine at 349pm if that's better.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-06 Thread Hugh Smitham
Evan,

Sorry I only have my Cosmo and likely will purchase another.  May I suggest
you post it both on CL  the list-serve then I will direct you to a web
seller that's reasonable price wise. That is if you can't find a trade. On
the group make sure to post as FS/WTT Nitto R-14 rack for Tubus Cosmo rack
and select the transaction tab. Of course if you already know all this then
disregard.

Best,

-Hugh
On Aug 5, 2013 11:24 PM, Evan Spacht evan.spa...@gmail.com wrote:

 topic drift alert:

 I'm in the market for a rear pannier rack , if anyone is trying to sel one!
 I have a used R-14 top rack that I am looking ot sell or trade.
 Normally it's best to just post a new topic but I don't care to ship stuff
 if I don't have to .

 kindly,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hi Tom,

Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards to
the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so you're
welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous and
sauve. Here is the camp info:

CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
SITE:SM117
SITE TYPE:STANDARD
LOOP:San Mateo Sites 101-140
STATE:California
REGION:Southern Division
ARRIVAL DATE:Fri Aug 23 2013
DEPARTURE DATE:Sat Aug 24 2013
LENGTH OF STAY:1
PRIMARY OCCUPANT:HUGH SMITHAM
# OF OCCUPANTS:8
EQUIPMENT:Tent(1)
# OF VEHICLES:3
CHECK-IN TIME:2:00 PM
CHECK-OUT TIME:12:00 PM
Thanks for asking  what I paid. I paid $43.00,  $35.00 for the site + $
8.00 for the service fee. If you feel like contributing great if not I'm
not going to make a big deal just glad folks are into this S240 thingy.
I've decided to head North on Saturday and will catch the 5:45 pm train
home so have lots of time to lolly gag. Really looking forward to riding
and camping with you all.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell Hugh,

 I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to getting
 there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and see
 your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of
 contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several
 Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for
 me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot
 commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the
 transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal
 with dark if I do it later).

 I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I
 don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a
 largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into
 civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required
 to ensure restful sleep.

 I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would
 like to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride
 slow.  un-racer.

 Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get
 there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

 I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about these
 bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you that
 turn out.

 Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened to
 wife).  Perhaps we should create a proof that it happened clump on flickr
 and post so other folks can enjoy.

 Thank you,

 Tom


 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David
 Estes, Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to
 meet in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting,
 Mitch has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that
 his ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking
 with 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I
 need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in
 Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In
 am going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  

Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Made and confirmed my Amtrak ticket arriving in Irvine 10:53 am.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards to
 the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so you're
 welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous and
 sauve. Here is the camp info:

 CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
 SITE:SM117
 SITE TYPE:STANDARD
 LOOP:San Mateo Sites 101-140
 STATE:California
 REGION:Southern Division
 ARRIVAL DATE:Fri Aug 23 2013
 DEPARTURE DATE:Sat Aug 24 2013
 LENGTH OF STAY:1
 PRIMARY OCCUPANT:HUGH SMITHAM
 # OF OCCUPANTS:8
 EQUIPMENT:Tent(1)
 # OF VEHICLES:3
 CHECK-IN TIME:2:00 PM
 CHECK-OUT TIME:12:00 PM
 Thanks for asking  what I paid. I paid $43.00,  $35.00 for the site + $
 8.00 for the service fee. If you feel like contributing great if not I'm
 not going to make a big deal just glad folks are into this S240 thingy.
 I've decided to head North on Saturday and will catch the 5:45 pm train
 home so have lots of time to lolly gag. Really looking forward to riding
 and camping with you all.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell Hugh,

 I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to getting
 there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and see
 your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of
 contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several
 Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for
 me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot
 commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the
 transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal
 with dark if I do it later).

 I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I
 don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a
 largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into
 civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required
 to ensure restful sleep.

 I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would
 like to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride
 slow.  un-racer.

 Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get
 there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

 I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about
 these bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you
 that turn out.

 Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened
 to wife).  Perhaps we should create a proof that it happened clump on
 flickr and post so other folks can enjoy.

 Thank you,

 Tom


 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David
 Estes, Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to
 meet in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting,
 Mitch has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that
 his ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking
 with 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside?
 I need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends
 in Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will 
 work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it 
 to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13

Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks Doug, I did make the bicycle reservation. I should have been more
specific with my question.  I was concerned with the Pacific Surf Liner and
bicycle transport boxed or not. Thankfully you have covered it. Thanks,

-Hugh
On Aug 9, 2013 3:08 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 ..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific
 Surf liner?

 When you book your ticket you also need to add a bike.  There's no
 charge but it reserves space on the train for your wheels.  Amtrak's policy
 on the Surfliner is 6 bikes total per train BUT since it's new enforcement
 has not been stringent.  I've used them 2X since it started  had a bike
 reservation both times.

 A random twist that may occur is type if equipment.  If the train is made
 up of the newer, double deck passenger cars, look for a blue bicycle logo
 on a car toward one end or the other.  You can just wheel your bike on that
 without removing panniers.  Melanie  I happened to have this set-up on all
 3 trains we used on our tour.

 BUT if the train is the older, single deck cars, they have steep steps up
 into the car.  If that's the case, you need to corral the conductor (he'll
 actually be looking for you if you have a reservation) and LIFT your bike
 up to the floor level of the baggage car, about shoulder height.  I can't
 do this with any amount of panniers.  Same drill getting off.  The
 conductor has to go into the car and hand your bike down to you on the
 platform.  This was what I encountered on both trains I used a couple of
 weeks ago, and it was in Ventura that I found out about it.

 dougP

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:10:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track in
 the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head North
 to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 pm or
 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts?

 Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just
 thought I'd mention it.

 Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the
 Pacific Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Mike,

I like the way you think. Cause I was thinking the same. Yet since I don't
know Squat about Irvine I do a search of places and sure Doug can recommend
something good.

Best,

-Hugh
On Aug 9, 2013 7:57 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!
   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the
 afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that
 arrives at 1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales
 nearby?

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2013-08-10 Thread Hugh Smitham
Phillip best ever.

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Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
David, Here is my count.

1.Me
2.Doug
3.Evan
4.You
5.Curtis
6.Mike
7.Tom
8.Jim ?
9.Estaban?
10Mitch?

So I have a confirmed 8 counting Jim in as I think he was in but might
drive down later. I haven't heard whether Estaban was a confirmed
participant also I haven't heard back from Mitch as he lives the furthest
SLO and said he wasn't setup for camping.

Also, Doug said he had three friends that were interested but was holding
off to see how many confirmed we ended up with. The site capacity is for 8
but since we won't have any auto's we can probably get away with now I'm
guessing here 12 that's an additional 4. As a bail out plan I suppose the
worst case scenario would be to take a motel in SC? I just checked there
are 10 sites currently available perhaps you could book one then were good
for 16 campers. It will cost $43 for the night. Go to
http://www.reserveamerica.com Then Your friends and Doug's are covered.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 Hugh, do you have an updated count? Some of my locals are interested
 but I don't know how much dirt is left to sleep on.

 On 8/12/13, Frank Quan jfq...@gmail.com wrote:
  If anyone is interested in riding up from North County on Friday, let me
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Re: [RBW] Re: Love the Drops.

2013-08-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Bryan,

Thanks I am enjoying the Hilsen. We need to get a ride in soon. I figure
you've been busy of late.

Best,



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On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Bryan bwedg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Hugh

 I love the drops! Both of my Rivs proudly sport 46 Noodles. I've done the
 Moustache and Albatross thing (I still have Albatrosses mounted on my old
 kid-hauling Stumpjumper), but Noodles rule for all my riding needs -
 commuting, off road, pavement, whatever. Noodles are the only pain-free bar
 for me, too. Moustache and Albatross bars are both really fun for about
 15-20 miles, and then they start to cause pain, at least for me. Noodles
 keep me moving around and happy.

 Glad you're enjoying that great bike of yours!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
Then my count David is 7 confirmed for Friday ride  camping so invite your
friends unless it like 20.

Best,



Hugh
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Mitch has a prior commitment.  I'll pass on inviting my buds as it looks
 like we're close to capacity.  For anyone planning on joining us on
 Saturday AM, such as Jim, there is a free public parking lot adjacent to
 Carl's Jr.  Park there  ride inland on Christianitos to San Mateo.

 dougP


 On Monday, August 12, 2013 5:57:33 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 David, Here is my count.

 1.Me
 2.Doug
 3.Evan
 4.You
 5.Curtis
 6.Mike
 7.Tom
 8.Jim ?
 9.Estaban?
 10Mitch?

 So I have a confirmed 8 counting Jim in as I think he was in but might
 drive down later. I haven't heard whether Estaban was a confirmed
 participant also I haven't heard back from Mitch as he lives the furthest
 SLO and said he wasn't setup for camping.

 Also, Doug said he had three friends that were interested but was holding
 off to see how many confirmed we ended up with. The site capacity is for 8
 but since we won't have any auto's we can probably get away with now I'm
 guessing here 12 that's an additional 4. As a bail out plan I suppose the
 worst case scenario would be to take a motel in SC? I just checked there
 are 10 sites currently available perhaps you could book one then were good
 for 16 campers. It will cost $43 for the night. Go to
 http://www.reserveamerica.**com http://www.reserveamerica.com/ Then
 Your friends and Doug's are covered.

 Best,



 Hugh
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 but I don't know how much dirt is left to sleep on.

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Re: [RBW] Love the Drops.

2013-08-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
Curtis,

I appreciate the offer however the differential between my Hilsen 58 cm and
your 67cm Hilsen probably wouldn't be the most effective trial geometry.
I'd have to plant my magic bean just to mount your bike friendly giant. I
will give it a go just for the humor of it.

Of course it's all based on individual need and I'm sure I'll love a
bicycle outfitted with an albatross or stash bar.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 Hi Hugh,

 A timely post.  On Saturday I changed from Noodles to Albatross bars. Did
 a 300 plus mile tour with the drops and felt something was missing. So...on
 went the Albatross bars. First ride using them was yesterday.  Did about 40
 miles. So far I really like them here is why:

 1.  More up right.  I can see better not only the cars, but the
 environment as a whole.  At the speed the bike goes I like to look around
 and see the sights.
 2.  My hands seem to fall naturally on the cork grips.
 3.  Good for climbing hills.  I can stand up and really pedal.
 4.  A wide variety of hand positions;  on the cork, just in front over the
 brakes, on the tape in front of the cork, or for more areo on the curves
 and just to the left and right of the stem.
 5.  Breaking is more positive for me as well.
 6.  The nature of my riding changed.  I had more fun with the Albs.  Was
 it riding something new or the position?  Time will tell.

 So Hugh, I will be happy to let you ride my Hilsen on the up coming rumble
 so you can get a first hand experience.

 Peace,

 Curtis


 On Monday, August 12, 2013, Bryan wrote:

 Hi, Hugh

 I love the drops! Both of my Rivs proudly sport 46 Noodles. I've done the
 Moustache and Albatross thing (I still have Albatrosses mounted on my old
 kid-hauling Stumpjumper), but Noodles rule for all my riding needs -
 commuting, off road, pavement, whatever. Noodles are the only pain-free bar
 for me, too. Moustache and Albatross bars are both really fun for about
 15-20 miles, and then they start to cause pain, at least for me. Noodles
 keep me moving around and happy.

 Glad you're enjoying that great bike of yours!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Love the Drops.

2013-08-12 Thread Hugh Smitham
Andy.

Thanks for the kind words.

As far as bars go if I had the bikes you speak of I'm sure I'd love up
right bars on a cargo or strictly city bicycle. I remember considering the
Atlantis, Hillborne and Hilsen , the Hilsen obviously won because it
promised to carry a medium load but was willing to get up and go, It was so
nimble. With my noodle's I count at the least 5 different hand positions:

1.Hoods,
2. Behind the Hoods on the flat,.
3.On the curve,.
4.Top of the bars close to the stem and
5.The drops

...yeah I won't be changing anytime soon.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 Great description, Hugh. What you describe is exactly what I felt when I
 test rode a Homer. I had been thinking Atlantis, Sam or possibly a Hunqa.
 But the test ride Homer fit perfectly and cajoled me forward. The Atlantis,
 Sam and Hunqa were all suddenly in 2nd place.

 Regarding bars...
 I have 3 bikes that I ride regularly... Homer w/ 48 Noodles, Jackalope
 city bike w/ Albas, and Big Dummy cargo bike w/ Bosco Bars. They all (the
 different bars) seem to have their place. I think about swapping the
 Noodles/Albas on the Homer/Jackalope but I think to get the most out of it
 I'd have to change several other things too, so laziness leaves things how
 they are.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures

2013-08-14 Thread Hugh Smitham
Deacon,

I apologize if in my attempt at humor and a dash of concern I have
offended. I for one have lost family members to cancer related to smoking,
you bring up the point about the additives which are principally to enhance
the effects of nicotine...they in affect make the tobacco more addictive so
glad to hear your at the least reducing the risk. There is the notion that
one should enjoy some simple pleasures in life. Best to you.

~Hugh


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 Thanks for your concern, Steve. Nicotine addiction is minimal to
 nonexistent. In my 15 years of pipe smoking, I've often gone without a pipe
 for weeks or months (for any number of reasons) and never experienced any
 withdrawal or craving. But then I've never liked heavy tobacco. Cancer
 risk is greatly diminished if smoking at proper temperatures (not too hot a
 pipe) and smoking pure tobacco without the hundreds of additives in
 cigarettes. But you are right, it is still a risk.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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 On 08/14/2013 07:58 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
  For what it's worth, Hugh, no I don't. I mouth the smoke and that's
  it. Interestingly, I can't smoke regular tobacco, but have no issues
  with organic.

 Still, an excellent way to maintain your nicotine addiction, and promote
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

2013-08-14 Thread Hugh Smitham
I think as Manny say's just pick a date and place, everything else will
fall into place. Jim that is cool 20 years. Liesl we should start with
voting of the three locations. I'm still wishing for that fourth location.
Mr Gifford Pinchot has a nice place.

~Hugh




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 This is a little bit cool: If the Jamboree gets off the ground in 2014, it
 will coincide with the year of Rivendell's 20th Anniversery.


 On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:34 AM, allenmichael wrote:

 19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day?

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Do you think we could do it?  Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like
 a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole
 summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to
 get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing
 group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet
 everyone and ride and sit around a campfire.  I used to do this kind of
 thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd
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Re: [RBW] Re: Love the Drops.

2013-08-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Patrick,

Yes, that essentially describes my set up and why my drops feel so good.
When I sit up hands on top of the bar I sit fairly upright so I get the
best of both. When riding a carbon race bike I could only stand being in
the drops for a really brief period.

What Steven described would probably have me going to an albatross bar.
Even as I like my current position it's still not completely upright so if
I had neck pain I would have to concede and discard the noodles.

~Hugh



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 Would raising them significantly make them work? Don't suppose this hasn't
 occurred to you, but it does allow me to mention that after replacing the
 Midge bar on the Fargo with a much narrower but much deeper drop 44 cm B
 135, I found that placing the bar about 1 above the saddle -- 2 higher
 than on my road bikes -- but further forward made it wonderfully
 comfortable. I can get a low, aero tuck in the hooks but sit up practically
 straight on the flats.


 On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yeah, I've run noodles for years and, since an unfortunate episode with a
 herniated disc in my neck last summer, find myself wanting to shorten the
 reach beyond what is possible to accomplish by using a shorter stem.  I put
 a set of short/shallow bars from Soma (HWY 1) on my latest bike and they're
 pretty good.   Steve


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 Hugh,

 Your post made me feel a bit of nostalgia for my 41cm Noodles! I envy
 your comfort on the Noodles because for me I could never quite find them
 relaxed.
 If only I had a longer arms, and didn't have as much of a reach (with
 even the shortest stem)  I'd probably have kept them.
 I dig the the Noodles, but I guess the Albas provided a more comfortable
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quiet Camping in Washington County

2013-08-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Gee thanks Andy for bringing me back to reality! Yeah that doesn't sound
that nice, a short ride out of town to a forest. And by the look of those
smiles it looks like you fellows suffered tremendously.

~Hugh



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 We set off to camp on a piece of land that seems to have fallen off the
 radar. It's in the grid but not doesn't appear to be on the grid. It's a
 chunk of 2nd and old growth forest surrounded by suburbia. We could see the
 lights of houses in the distance through the trees. We heard a car alarm
 and road noise from early morning commuters. No wildlife was seen but we
 did enjoy coyote howls and the screech/hoot of an owl. It wasn't
 necessarily an idyllic camping location, but it was suitable for a quick
 overnighter.

 Here are my pics...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quiet Camping in Washington County

2013-08-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
 Is that the Linear congruetial generator. I didn't know that was standard.
Then again maybe it it is.

~Hugh



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 Och! You use the LCG when you need the LCG and it's always a good thing
 it's standard equipment. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:26:17 PM UTC-6, Zack wrote:

 great pics from andy too!


 I showed my wife these and she said Why are you walking the bike?

 She is a good deal tougher than I.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quiet Camping in Washington County

2013-08-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks for helping us acronym challenged.

-Hugh
On Aug 15, 2013 4:12 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Close, Hugh. Lowest common gear. That's what my oldest daughter calls it,
 and it's stuck. Every bike has it.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:26:20 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

  Is that the Linear congruetial generator. I didn't know that was
 standard. Then again maybe it it is.

 ~Hugh



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 Och! You use the LCG when you need the LCG and it's always a good thing
 it's standard equipment. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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 great pics from andy too!


 I showed my wife these and she said Why are you walking the bike?

 She is a good deal tougher than I.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Touring and Relationships

2013-08-16 Thread Hugh Smitham
Irv,

I wanted to also mention that when I did my tour this summer from SF to
Paso Robles I met other cyclotourists from France, Belgian and teachers
from Colorado, they were all very interesting and nice. When I did the
recent SoCal vs NorCal rumble in San Luis Obispo I/ we did a mini-tour and
people would ask where we were traveling from when we explained that we
were from Los Angeles they seemed disappointed, one guy said oh I thought
you were from Oregon. Life is interesting.

Incidentally, I used to live in SF in the Mission while I went to school
and I loved it, I miss it from time to time especially when I see the
fantastic images like yours.

Best,

~Hugh



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 Thanks Hugh!

 I lived in Los Angeles for most of my adolescence and am amazed that I
 picked up biking down there.

 The Bay Area has so much cycling to explore, whether it be strictly road
 riding, mixed terrain, mtb'ing or anything else...


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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-16 Thread Hugh Smitham
Tom,

I hope as well. For the past month we've enjoyed below normal temperatures
for this time of year. Today the heat came back with a vengeance so yeah
what you described would fit the bill.

-Hugh
On Aug 16, 2013 9:37 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear SoCal Rivsters,

 Been monitoring things.   I live about the same distance from the coast as
 San Mateo is from San Onofre.  Southern Orange County and Northern San
 Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is predictive of
 what we will see on the 23rd.

  Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast from
 about 4:00 PM.  Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and then
 rolls back in.

 Tonight, we had one of those Diamond Girl kind of evenings where the sun
 shown on the beach until setting.  Samuel Hillborne and I were down at the
 Torrey Pines parking lot to see it  (testing camping gear).

 I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd.  No matter what, we
 are going to have a good time.

 Take care,

 Tom



 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-19 Thread Hugh Smitham
I could make this at home and reheat @ site. Let me know if you guy's would
be into this. I have a small soft insulated cooler which should keep it
fresh.
http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/turkey-black-bean-chili-5040109252/ Also
don't know if anyone has diet restrictions.

~Hugh




On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ahem.  Adult beverages.  Thinking that a beer run (or wine or what have
 you) back into town after unloading and setting up camping gear might be
 the ticket.  Can't see myself toting 12 pack (need enough to share) and ice
 on top of my teetering load.  Don't like shopping and leaving bike out side
 locked or unlocked, so would prefer a partner on such a mission.

 It the prevailing desire is for a Riv dinner in town or group campout, I
 am good with either.  Just need to know ahead so I don't pack too much.
  Take out for dinner (bring to camp on adult beverage foray) and
 collaborative breakfast is also an option.  I am pretty easy to please,
 just need to know what we are doing.

 Best regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-19 Thread Hugh Smitham
I'm with Curtis, Doug  David lets do dinner out.

~Hugh




On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote:

 My vote is with the plan that cyclotourist proposed.  Seems we are close
 to eating establishments so why not?  I do understand the fun of cooking in
 camp, but when restaurants are close by and local knowledge  is among us
 restaurants win for me. However, if some are set for camp cooking I can do
 that as well.

 Will be in Portland today. The Portland in Maine however.

 On Sunday, August 18, 2013, cyclotourist wrote:

 We're getting in pretty early Fri, so might be worth it to ride back
 into town for group dinner when everyone arrives?

 Easy camp breakfast, ride, then second breakfast at the pier
 restaurant would be my vote. Sorta' iconic, and pretty reasonable in
 price  quality for that sort of a place.

 On 8/18/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Hugh:
 
  Knowing your camp cooking skills (and depending on them!)  I'll vote for
  dinner in camp.  I'm hopeless in the kitchen but an eager volunteer for
  simple tasks, given adult supervision (caveat:  my wife restricts my
  participation to lighting the grill and cleaning up; she does not
 entrust
  me with sharp objects).  However, I'm more than willing to contribute
 some
  adult beverages to the festivities.
 
  On the AM side, I gotta make coffee before getting on the bike anyway,
  am
 
  happy with PB on bagels  fruit.  Suggest a camp breakfast, ride
 David's No
 
  Tools route, then possible second breakfast / brunch on the way home.
 
  Just my ideas.  Look forward to hearing what others think.
 
  dougP
 
  On Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:17:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  Curtis,
 
  I was planning on bringing the food thing up good timing...What's the
  consensus? Do we make camp then ride into SC for dinner then make our
 own
 
  Breakfast before the single track? Or do we want to do a group dinner?
  Looking forward to next weekend.
 
  ~Hugh
 
  On Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:29:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  I may missed the posting about food. Are we planning to cook food in
  camp?  Or will we support the local economy and eat out?  Just need to
  know
  what to bring. Thanks.
 
  Looking forward to next Friday and Saturday.
 
  Peace
 
 
 
  On Saturday, August 17, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:
 
  Tom,
 
  I hope as well. For the past month we've enjoyed below normal
  temperatures for this time of year. Today the heat came back with a
  vengeance so yeah what you described would fit the bill.
 
  -Hugh
  On Aug 16, 2013 9:37 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Dear SoCal Rivsters,
 
  Been monitoring things.   I live about the same distance from the
 coast
 
  as San Mateo is from San Onofre.  Southern Orange County and
 Northern
  San
  Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is
  predictive of
  what we will see on the 23rd.
 
   Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast
 from
 
  about 4:00 PM.  Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and
  then
  rolls back in.
 
  Tonight, we had one of those Diamond Girl kind of evenings where
 the
 
  sun shown on the beach until setting.  Samuel Hillborne and I were
 down
  at
  the Torrey Pines parking lot to see it  (testing camping gear).
 
  I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd.  No matter
 what,
  we are going to have a good time.
 
  Take care,
 
  Tom
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo
 Campground
  near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet
 at
  Doug
  P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South
 could
  either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hi David,

Any friend of Manny's is our friend. You will make 11 if my count is
correct. 8 with Esteban, two grandfathered in with David Estes, and you.
The camp limit is for 8 but I'm good with 11. Does anyone else have any
thoughts on this? Doug?

~Hugh




On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM, David Yu Greenblatt 
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:


 Howdy, I would like to join you guys. I don't currently own a Riv but I am
 a FOM (Friend of Manny, with pics to prove it:  http://flic.kr/p/dzJi7d
 http://flic.kr/p/dZu6Ym).
 I just moved to San Diego from San Francisco and would like to make new
 bike riding and beer drinking buddies.

 I should be able to depart Carmel Valley around 4PM (eye appt at 1PM and
 need to recover from eye dilation). Anybody passing through North County
 San Diego around then? Esteban, what route are you riding?

 What is the current head count? Should I book a second campsite?

 Looking forward to meeting you all.

 - David Greenblatt


 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tom,

 No worries about my dinner it was no big deal setting things up. Either
 Sonny's or P.P. work for me. Esteban glad you can make it, looking forward
 to meeting you. Same goes for you Tom. Mike that's cause mosquitoes like
 me! No Cowboy camping for me. I'll bring a lock. Tom I'll stash my stuff at
 camp in my tent another reason to bring a tent.

 ~Hugh


 On Monday, August 19, 2013 8:13:25 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Hugh's turkey chili looks delicious, and I don't want to dis him, but I
 really don't want to burden him with portaging it down from Irvine on his
 bike.

 Google maps indicates a 3.6 mile 
 cruisehttps://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!4m19!3m18!1m5!1sSan+Mateo+Campground%2C+830+Cristianitos+Rd%2C+San+Clemente%2C+CA+92672!2s0x80dcf4e2ac3c2215%3A0x9b0053fcad43b0c6!3m2!3d33.405531!4d-117.584436!1m1!1sSonny's+Pizza+%26+Pasta%2C+429+North+El+Camino+Real%2C+San+Clemente%2C+CA!2e1!3m8!1m3!1d41630!2d-117.5990869!3d33.4124352!3m2!1i2141!2i1200!4f13.1fid=0
  down
 from San Mateo to Sonny's.

 Recommend we pass the hat for Hugh's dining and liquid refreshment for
 all of his trouble setting this event up.

 Just out of interest, how do you folks secure your bikes while dining?
  I have not owned a bike lock since grade school.  Since I left grade
 school, my policy has been to never let my bike out of my sight.

 Street view of 
 Sonny'shttps://www.google.com/maps/preview?hl=en#!q=429+N+El+Camino+Real%2C+San+Clemente%2C+CA+92672data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-117.614923!3d33.429577!2m2!1f342.1!2f80.48!4f75!2m4!1e1!2m2!1strb0XLVgnZOobKTM4pIBDw!2e0!4m10!1m9!4m8!1m3!1d670556!2d-117.1089785!3d32.8245525!3m2!1i2141!2i1200!4f13.1fid=5.
  Not sure about the bike parking situation.

 Do you leave your gear back in camp?

 Best regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread Hugh Smitham
Then were good. David Greenblatt will make it 9 I think we'll be fine with
9 :-)

~Hugh




On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:50 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just me, my two peeps are not available. So just nine total, correct?

 San Clemente State Beach has a pretty much unlimited HB site: It's the
 median between the two main one way roads. Not pretty, but gets the
 job done.

 I've decided to go tentless. That's just how I roll.

 On 8/20/13, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  no such thing at San Mateo Esteban. There are precious few H/B sites in
 So
  Cal...Doheny and San Elijo I think are the only two.
 
  There are available sites at the Bluff campground, but they are too close
  to the freeway and not very nice. A few miles away from San Mateo too.
 
  Hopefully the Rangers will be OK with this for one night.
 
  ~mike
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree, China Camp

2013-08-22 Thread Hugh Smitham
Anne,

I voted, however my wife will be joining in as she rides a new Betty.
Though she might not be doing the longer rides, then again she is riding
more now that she has Betty. I know this doesn't change the men to Riv
Chica warrior ratio much but it's a start. Perhaps the others have chica
warriors not represented.

-Hugh
On Aug 22, 2013 10:01 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:

 The poll is depressing me. Not the closeness of the vote; that's fine,
 I voted for SF Bay but either location would be wonderful. But looking
 at the names... except me, it's all dudes. I knew that more men than
 women bought Rivs, but 45 to 1? Riv Chicas, where are you? Cecily,
 Liesl, other chicas? Anyone?

 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
  FWIW I think we should have a vote on the location first then the date.
 As
  far as two Jamborees please don't do that to me as I'll have to go to
 both
  and I can assure you it will create a conflict betwixt me and my
 significant
  other. Additionally, perhaps the location not chosen will be the
 location in
  2015.
 
  ~Hugh
 
 
  On Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:03:04 PM UTC-7, Stephen S wrote:
 
  2 people voted for all 3.
 
  So it's currently 20 (not msp) vs 18 (either MSP). This isn't really
  significant of a difference between the two choices.
 
  It's my opinion that we won't get consensus on one site or the other. I
  think it might be prudent to plan two get togethers and let the folks
 who
  want to go to them go to them.
 
  Stephen
 
  On Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:32:15 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
 
  Nobody voted for the second MSP option and not the first; the two MSP
  options combined have more votes only because lots of people voted for
  both of them.  Everybody who voted MSP, for either date: 17. Everybody
  who voted for China Camp: 22.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
  thil...@gmail.com wrote:
   The 2 MSP options combined tally more than the single SF option.
 Maybe
   there
   should be a run-off vote for the leading MSP date vs the SFO date.
  
  
   On Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:13:18 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
  
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   among those who express a preference, China Camp leads 20-14.
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bleriot Birthday Ride Report

2013-08-25 Thread Hugh Smitham
Rob,

That would have been awesome!

Best,

~Hugh




On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:18 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Hugh.  I was in SoCal last week...San Clemente, San DIego, etc.
  Different from here but still a beautiful area.  Wish I could have stayed
 for the ride.


 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:44:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Rob,

 Happy Birthday! Great way to enjoy it. Thanks for the pictures. On
 another note what a contrast http://www.flickr.**
 com/photos/pedalpusher61/**9593311668/http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/9593311668/
  End
 of August a high of 82 degrees not rubbing it in just saying it's
 interesting.

 `~Hugh

 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:27:04 AM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:

 Greetings,
Some people want gifts and parties for their birthday.  I just want
 to be alone on my bike!  Got my wish yesterday as the family dropped my off
 at Snoqualmie summit outside of Seattle.  Spent the day riding back to the
 city on various trials and roads.  Had a dinner date at 6:00 at my in-laws
 so not much time for dawdlingmade it at 5:55!  Overall about 85 miles
 on the Bleriot in a little more than 7 hours.  A little cold and rainy at
 the start but turned out to be a perfect day.

 pics:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**77502424@N00/sets/**72157635231317256/http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157635231317256/

 route:
 http://goo.gl/maps/34PZS

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Re: [RBW] Re: Everything Rivendellianesqueistic~!

2013-08-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Well stated Patrick.

~Hugh

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 I enjoy and promote cycling in all of its sometimes admittedly bizarre
 forms. In particular, and very seriously now, I admire and enjoy watching
 the genius of power and form that the best cycling athletes display -- be
 it Reg in a sprint or Eddy in a breakaway or chasedown, or Beryl in a time
 trial, or -- wonderful -- aerial video of a professional paceline en
 echelon.

 I personally have no taste for racing and have raced exactly twice in a
 very amateur way, but I will defend to the death your right to pursue it.


 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Beastly!

 ~Hugh

 On Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:06:14 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-**dTtA7_okKUk/Tj6ps8O9bXI/**
 AgM/1bp9RIlqCv8/s400/**reg_harris0009_jpg_581-thumb.**jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dTtA7_okKUk/Tj6ps8O9bXI/AgM/1bp9RIlqCv8/s400/reg_harris0009_jpg_581-thumb.jpg

 Sorry, could not resist. But the frame is undoubtedly lugged.

 Patrick Moore, who loves his '99 Joe fixed gofast custom and from time
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis sizing?

2013-08-29 Thread Hugh Smitham
This is what I suspected as I saw an Atlantis with a declared size of 55 cm
so it's probably a 54.5 cm variety. Thanks Mike  Jim, just so's ya know I
always check you're site for answers first. A great site indeed.

~Hugh




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cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Historical references here:
 http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/atlantis/atl_flyer2-05.jpg

 via the Atlantis page - http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/atlantis/

 - Jim


 On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:15:41 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Hugh only made a 54.5 and 56.   here is the geo chart
 https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**
 0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPM**HZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0


 mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's drinking the Kool Aid?

2013-09-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
The cult of SoCal Riv riders a beer  drinking we will go...err pedal.

~Hugh I Love the froth on my stash Smitham



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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's drinking the Kool Aid?

2013-09-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Oh David twist my arm. I'm free on Saturday the 22nd.



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 Speaking of such... September in Santa Monica is always nice...

 On 9/9/13, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
  The cult of SoCal Riv riders a beer  drinking we will go...err pedal.
 
  ~Hugh I Love the froth on my stash Smitham
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's drinking the Kool Aid?

2013-09-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
How about the 14th or 28th?



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 I'm probably not around that weekend.

 On 9/9/13, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
  Oh David twist my arm. I'm free on Saturday the 22nd.
 
 
 
  Hugh
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  Speaking of such... September in Santa Monica is always nice...
 
  On 9/9/13, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
   The cult of SoCal Riv riders a beer  drinking we will go...err pedal.
  
   ~Hugh I Love the froth on my stash Smitham
  
  
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's drinking the Kool Aid?

2013-09-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Let's make a separate post for this anyone? I'll do it if no one wants to
plan it. Let me know?

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 I'm open any day except the 14th.  Fridays are better as theer are more
 Metrolink trains scheduled but I can make Sat or Sun work too.

 ~mike

 On Monday, September 9, 2013 8:18:56 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 14, 15, 18, 19 anyone?

 On 9/9/13, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
  Speaking of such... September in Santa Monica is always nice...
 
  On 9/9/13, Hugh Smitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:
  The cult of SoCal Riv riders a beer  drinking we will go...err pedal.
 
  ~Hugh I Love the froth on my stash Smitham
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's drinking the Kool Aid?

2013-09-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Yeah Sunday won't work for me unless we start really early and get off the
bikes by 12 noon...I'm out on a Sunday I don't want to rush myself or
anyone else.

Hugh
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On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 8:57 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 15th?

 On 9/9/13, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  I'm open any day except the 14th.  Fridays are better as theer are more
  Metrolink trains scheduled but I can make Sat or Sun work too.
 
  ~mike
 
  On Monday, September 9, 2013 8:18:56 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  14, 15, 18, 19 anyone?
 
  On 9/9/13, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
   Speaking of such... September in Santa Monica is always nice...
  
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Re: [RBW] LA Bump Ride.

2013-09-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hi Joe,

Yes that's right. Good to meet you, Thanks for volunteering to make Los
Angeles a more bike accessible city.

~Hugh

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Joe Hogg joseph.h...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 09/14/2013 10:54 PM, hsmitham wrote:

 Evan  I wanted to do an LA Urban ride, so that's what we did. Met Evan @
 Pershing Sq then had coffee. Rode through China Town to the LA river trail
 to Griffith Park. The bump was climbing the back side up Garbage Truck road
 to the Observatory for some vista's of the LA basin then down into Silver
 Lake for Lunch and a visit to Golden Saddle Cyclery.

 The Saddle was great and got a chance to talk with Kyle the owner and chat
 about his recent S720 to Messenger Flats and area in the Angeles Forest.

 We then ended our ride in China Town. No hoisting beers together on this
 one but we have plans for one where brews will be had.

 A leisurely 30 mile ramble.

  Pictures are proof:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157635529417626/

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 I was counting bikes and pedestrians yesterday on the LA River bike path
 around 11 a.m. at Steelhead Park, near the south entrance to the bike path.
 A pair of cyclists came by, riding bikes that look like your and Evan's
 bikes, and commented about my Miata tied up nearby, What do we have here?
 From your photos, looks like you just left Chinatown heading north towards
 Griffith Park.

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Re: [RBW] Re: LA Bump Ride.

2013-09-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks Deacon...not that I want to experience the city environs often but
you work with what you have. I find the city has much to offer but of
course I'd choose 9 times out of 10 to spend time in locals such as yours.
IMHO the bicycle is a magical way to transport one self through all sorts
of surroundings.

~Hugh

Hugh
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 I love bikes! What a wondrously different experience and scenery than I'll
 likely ever have on the bike (baring brain healing, the sound of the city
 would do me in in seconds), but the bike takes us each where we are going.
 Thanks for sharing the city art and ride.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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 Evan  I wanted to do an LA Urban ride, so that's what we did. Met Evan @
 Pershing Sq then had coffee. Rode through China Town to the LA river trail
 to Griffith Park. The bump was climbing the back side up Garbage Truck road
 to the Observatory for some vista's of the LA basin then down into Silver
 Lake for Lunch and a visit to Golden Saddle Cyclery.

 The Saddle was great and got a chance to talk with Kyle the owner and
 chat about his recent S720 to Messenger Flats and area in the Angeles
 Forest.

 We then ended our ride in China Town. No hoisting beers together on this
 one but we have plans for one where brews will be had.

 A leisurely 30 mile ramble.

 Pictures are proof:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/**pedalpusher61/sets/**
 72157635529417626/http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157635529417626/

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Now taking a poll for the month of September SoCal Riv Ride Santa Monica

2013-09-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey SoCal Rivsters,

Figured I'd update the poll and firm up the ride specifics.

The poll is done and the winner is the 28th. Here is the ride thanks to
Cyclotourist:

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Santa-Monica-Dirt-Mulolland-ride#

As far as a place to eat I submit this casual establishment it would be a
back track of 1.5 miles but the total ride is a mere 27 odd miles so I
don't see a down side.

http://reelinnmalibu.com/menu.php

Parking will be a challenge so I suggest we get there early, I think this
lot will serve us well. Can we meet at 8:30 am? Or shall we chance it and
keep the meet up @ 9 am.

Lot 10 North
445 E Pacific Coast Hwy.
Santa Monica, Ca
162 spaces

The information from Santa Monica City is confusing I found this PDF with
locations and cost whether it's up to date is a guess but from this it
appears that the cost is $7 for the day which you pay at a kiosk.

http://theartofsexualintimacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Parking_Brochure.pdf

The Address above originally if searched showed you a location South of
Santa Monica??

So I think that's about that. Looking forward to the 28th.

~Hugh




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Re: [RBW] Re: Now taking a poll for the month of September SoCal Riv Ride Santa Monica

2013-09-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Fellows,

Let me know if you'd rather do street parking or the lot as I scoped out.
David is submitting this as a choice:

pete's on Montana  14th as a staging area.
Street parking w/in a couple blocks, bike friendly spot.
http://goo.gl/maps/ylZKW

Don't know what the parking situation would be like time limits and or
Neighborhood permits?? Also the Restaurant idea is just a suggestion
totally open to input. Here's David's input:

Border Grill which is a fave.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/border-grill-santa-monica#query:Best%20Mexican%20Restaurant


~Hugh




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 Hey SoCal Rivsters,

 Figured I'd update the poll and firm up the ride specifics.

 The poll is done and the winner is the 28th. Here is the ride thanks to
 Cyclotourist:

 http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Santa-Monica-Dirt-Mulolland-ride#

 As far as a place to eat I submit this casual establishment it would be a
 back track of 1.5 miles but the total ride is a mere 27 odd miles so I
 don't see a down side.

 http://reelinnmalibu.com/menu.php

 Parking will be a challenge so I suggest we get there early, I think this
 lot will serve us well. Can we meet at 8:30 am? Or shall we chance it and
 keep the meet up @ 9 am.

 Lot 10 North
 445 E Pacific Coast Hwy.
 Santa Monica, Ca
 162 spaces

 The information from Santa Monica City is confusing I found this PDF with
 locations and cost whether it's up to date is a guess but from this it
 appears that the cost is $7 for the day which you pay at a kiosk.


 http://theartofsexualintimacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Parking_Brochure.pdf

 The Address above originally if searched showed you a location South of
 Santa Monica??

 So I think that's about that. Looking forward to the 28th.

 ~Hugh




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Re: [RBW] Re: Now taking a poll for the month of September SoCal Riv Ride Santa Monica

2013-09-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Bryan,

And any other locals to the Santa Monica area what are your thoughts
regarding decent street parking on a Saturday?

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:12 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 What say the locals to parking situation on a Saturday morning? Is
 there enough street parking inland to accommodate us, or should we
 settle on a city lot on the west side? That may be more central to
 post-ride festivities.

 On 9/15/13, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hey Fellows,
 
  Let me know if you'd rather do street parking or the lot as I scoped out.
  David is submitting this as a choice:
 
  pete's on Montana  14th as a staging area.
  Street parking w/in a couple blocks, bike friendly spot.
  http://goo.gl/maps/ylZKW
 
  Don't know what the parking situation would be like time limits and or
  Neighborhood permits?? Also the Restaurant idea is just a suggestion
  totally open to input. Here's David's input:
 
  Border Grill which is a fave.
 
 http://www.yelp.com/biz/border-grill-santa-monica#query:Best%20Mexican%20Restaurant
 
 
  ~Hugh
 
 
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hey SoCal Rivsters,
 
  Figured I'd update the poll and firm up the ride specifics.
 
  The poll is done and the winner is the 28th. Here is the ride thanks to
  Cyclotourist:
 
  http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Santa-Monica-Dirt-Mulolland-ride#
 
  As far as a place to eat I submit this casual establishment it would be
 a
  back track of 1.5 miles but the total ride is a mere 27 odd miles so I
  don't see a down side.
 
  http://reelinnmalibu.com/menu.php
 
  Parking will be a challenge so I suggest we get there early, I think
 this
  lot will serve us well. Can we meet at 8:30 am? Or shall we chance it
 and
  keep the meet up @ 9 am.
 
  Lot 10 North
  445 E Pacific Coast Hwy.
  Santa Monica, Ca
  162 spaces
 
  The information from Santa Monica City is confusing I found this PDF
 with
  locations and cost whether it's up to date is a guess but from this it
  appears that the cost is $7 for the day which you pay at a kiosk.
 
 
 
 http://theartofsexualintimacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Parking_Brochure.pdf
 
  The Address above originally if searched showed you a location South of
  Santa Monica??
 
  So I think that's about that. Looking forward to the 28th.
 
  ~Hugh
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Now taking a poll for the month of September SoCal Riv Ride Santa Monica

2013-09-16 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks for the info Bryan.

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Bryan bwedg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not sure about the parking situation. I ride to that area from my house
 (I'm spoiled). If you're going up Westridge, another option would be to
 meet at Peet's at the corner of San Vicente and Gorham in Brentwood. That's
 all City of LA street parking around there and might be more forgiving than
 Santa Monica. Then you'd ride San Vicente a few blocks west to Burlingame,
 to a short descent down Sunset Blvd. to Mandeville Canyon and then up
 Westridge. Gets you into the nice stuff pretty quickly. Coming back to your
 cars up San Vicente from the PCH is good because there's a great bike lane
 on San Vicente.

 Bryan


 On Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:52:12 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hey Bryan,

 And any other locals to the Santa Monica area what are your thoughts
 regarding decent street parking on a Saturday?

 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:12 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 What say the locals to parking situation on a Saturday morning? Is
 there enough street parking inland to accommodate us, or should we
 settle on a city lot on the west side? That may be more central to
 post-ride festivities.

 On 9/15/13, Hugh Smitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hey Fellows,
 
  Let me know if you'd rather do street parking or the lot as I scoped
 out.
  David is submitting this as a choice:
 
  pete's on Montana  14th as a staging area.
  Street parking w/in a couple blocks, bike friendly spot.
  http://goo.gl/maps/ylZKW
 
  Don't know what the parking situation would be like time limits and or
  Neighborhood permits?? Also the Restaurant idea is just a suggestion
  totally open to input. Here's David's input:
 
  Border Grill which is a fave.
  http://www.yelp.com/biz/**border-grill-santa-monica#**
 query:Best%20Mexican%**20Restauranthttp://www.yelp.com/biz/border-grill-santa-monica#query:Best%20Mexican%20Restaurant
 
 
  ~Hugh
 
 
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Hugh Smitham hughs...@gmail.com

  wrote:
 
  Hey SoCal Rivsters,
 
  Figured I'd update the poll and firm up the ride specifics.
 
  The poll is done and the winner is the 28th. Here is the ride thanks
 to
  Cyclotourist:
 
  http://www.bikely.com/maps/**bike-path/Santa-Monica-Dirt-**
 Mulolland-ride#http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Santa-Monica-Dirt-Mulolland-ride#
 
  As far as a place to eat I submit this casual establishment it would
 be a
  back track of 1.5 miles but the total ride is a mere 27 odd miles so I
  don't see a down side.
 
  http://reelinnmalibu.com/menu.**phphttp://reelinnmalibu.com/menu.php
 
  Parking will be a challenge so I suggest we get there early, I think
 this
  lot will serve us well. Can we meet at 8:30 am? Or shall we chance it
 and
  keep the meet up @ 9 am.
 
  Lot 10 North
  445 E Pacific Coast Hwy.
  Santa Monica, Ca
  162 spaces
 
  The information from Santa Monica City is confusing I found this PDF
 with
  locations and cost whether it's up to date is a guess but from this it
  appears that the cost is $7 for the day which you pay at a kiosk.
 
 
  http://theartofsexualintimacy.**com/wp-content/uploads/2012/**
 01/Parking_Brochure.pdfhttp://theartofsexualintimacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Parking_Brochure.pdf
 
  The Address above originally if searched showed you a location South
 of
  Santa Monica??
 
  So I think that's about that. Looking forward to the 28th.
 
  ~Hugh
 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: SF Randonneurs Fall Populaire Report/Photos

2013-09-16 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hey Jim,

Forgot to wish you Happy Birthday. Happy Birthday great way to celebrate
another year with a ride.

~Hugh



On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Just got the email report from RBA Rob Hawks, who confirmed 95 started and
 ~50% (by show of hands estimate) were new to brevets.  Along the route,
 there were at least four riders who got the elevator pitch for brevets
 from me - only because they had asked and said how much they wanted to try
 it.

 I think the photos which may really make you homesick are probably going
 to come from the Marin Mountains 200K -
 http://ridebike.org/sfr/adventure/marin-mountains-200/ - which I believe
 Manny will be riding.  (Unfortunately, I think I lack the miles and know
 I'm committed elsewhere this weekend).

 Thanks for the birthday wishes!

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com



 On Monday, September 16, 2013 7:52:24 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:

 Hey Jim, what a great ride. Glad you were able to get out and do it. That
 sure is a huge turnout, getting up there towards a SIR level of
 participation. I don't think we've ever had an event here in OR with a 100
 riders.

 As usual, pictures of my old stomping grounds make me homesick.

 Belated happy birthday!

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW BUNCH WITHDRAWALS.

2013-09-19 Thread Hugh Smitham
Tony, that's surely the remedy :-)

-Hugh
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 Perhaps a coded message that it's time to go for a bike ride... Try back
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Re: [RBW] RBW BUNCH WITHDRAWALS.

2013-09-19 Thread Hugh Smitham
That's it Phillip, around 3:30 to 4 pm nothing then blam! Back up sanity
restored. Hey it gets me through the work day :-)

-Hugh
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Re: [RBW] ISO 26 Tour Wheelset.

2013-09-25 Thread Hugh Smitham
And Doug is still in Europe.
On Sep 24, 2013 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice set in Irvine: http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/4082770016.html
 If you only knew someone in Irvine...

 On 9/24/13, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Rivsters,
 
  ISO 26 touring Wheelset 8/9 speed hub body. I'm on a budget so something
  with LX / XT Hubs, Mavic or Velocity rims would be great. Perhaps, you
 have
 
  a second set hanging around and they're just gathering dust? Or you were
  deciding to upgrade to a White Industries or Phil set. Also looking for 9
  speed bar end sifters. Figured I'd cast a line and see what came back.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 26 Tour Wheelset.

2013-09-25 Thread Hugh Smitham
Bryan,

I'm picking up a 56 cm Atlantis from Seattle and plan on doing some updates
to the drive and toying with the idea of Albastashes. I'd like it set up
for touring and rough stuff with it's capacity for fat tires. Then the AHH
can be dedicated to more light weight duty.

~Hugh




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 26 touring wheels? What are you brewing up, Hugh?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's drinking the Kool Aid?

2013-09-25 Thread Hugh Smitham
It's not so much we've been sold on something as being reassured you're
maybe OK after all. Yes that's it isn't it.

~Hugh

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 Quote: a short beard wards off those people, especially if it's grey 
 white :-).  Rear view mirror, wool socks w/sandals

 Ahem...Apparently I was drinking the KoolAid before I even knew there was
 a guy named Peterson. : )

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 26 Tour Wheelset.

2013-09-25 Thread Hugh Smitham
Tom,

Don't forget the Betty:-)



Hugh
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the Atlantis and your AHH will make for a nice stable of Rivs.

 Tom


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 Bryan,

 I'm picking up a 56 cm Atlantis from Seattle and plan on doing some
 updates to the drive and toying with the idea of Albastashes. I'd like it
 set up for touring and rough stuff with it's capacity for fat tires. Then
 the AHH can be dedicated to more light weight duty.

 ~Hugh




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 26 touring wheels? What are you brewing up, Hugh?

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[RBW] Fwd: ISO 26 Tour Wheelset.

2013-09-25 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hugh
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From: Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: ISO 26 Tour Wheelset.
To: allenmichael allenmich...@mac.com


This list is great. I will respond to all in do time...just a bit on the
busy side at the moment. Again really appreciate all of you.

~Hugh




On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:19 AM, allenmichael allenmich...@mac.com wrote:

 Hugh,
 I have two different front wheels that I've used on my 56 Atlantis. One is
 a Mavic xc 717, silver, with a bolt-on suzue hub; the other is a mavic xm
 719, black, with a quick release xt hub. I bought the xm 719 with the bike
 from Michael Williams on the list. I bought a wheel with a SON hub so don't
 use either of these much any more. Both are in great shape.

 I don't have anything extra for the rear.

 Best,

 Michael Allen
 allenmich...@mac.com


 On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:27:13 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Rivsters,

 ISO 26 touring Wheelset 8/9 speed hub body. I'm on a budget so something
 with LX / XT Hubs, Mavic or Velocity rims would be great. Perhaps, you have
 a second set hanging around and they're just gathering dust? Or you were
 deciding to upgrade to a White Industries or Phil set. Also looking for 9
 speed bar end sifters. Figured I'd cast a line and see what came back.

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 26 Tour Wheelset.

2013-09-25 Thread Hugh Smitham
Tom,

I just didn't want you to forget my Wife's Betty :-) Though I can ride it
as it's a 55 cm out of respect I''m giving  letting my wife have Betty to
her self. And yes I think the stable is going nicely...but this will be it
for a good while, no more acquisitions unless of course the deal of the
century plops in my lap like a QB :-0

Best,


Hugh
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you are going to tell me that you ride Betty Foy and it is not your
 wife's bike, I am going to be really impressed.  I will still be impressed
 if it is your wife's bike.

 3 Rivs in one household is quite a stable indeed.

 Best regards,

 Tom


 On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:59:34 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Tom,

 Don't forget the Betty:-)



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the Atlantis and your AHH will make for a nice stable of Rivs.

 Tom


 On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:51:26 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Bryan,

 I'm picking up a 56 cm Atlantis from Seattle and plan on doing some
 updates to the drive and toying with the idea of Albastashes. I'd like it
 set up for touring and rough stuff with it's capacity for fat tires. Then
 the AHH can be dedicated to more light weight duty.

 ~Hugh




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  26 touring wheels? What are you brewing up, Hugh?

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS B17 Special honey/copper

2013-10-06 Thread Hugh Smitham
Interesting note, I had a Brooks tan B17 13 to 15 years ago and didn't have
the patients for it to supposedly break in and sold it, then tried one
again this year on my AHH with padded underwear, comfortable but when I
took the suggestion to discard the padded underwear and just wear the
Devold or like wool underwear the Brooks amazingly was even more
comfortable.

Best,


~Hugh


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 interesting considering the fairly minor diffs between models. Still, I
 might just be ready to finally try a Brooks.

 Mike, yours will be at the top of my list if I decide to do it.

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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

2013-10-06 Thread Hugh Smitham
Just trying to help lighten your bank account ;-)

Best,


~Hugh


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 I could fit one, but it wouldn't be optimum.
 A 56 frame is spot on with a 59cm top tube.

 On 10/6/13, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
  David,
 
  I rode a SH 56cm @ RivHq and it fit me really well. Unless there was a
 huge
 
  difference between the center pull  Calipered SH's it seems a 60 cm
 would
  fit you? That's a nice price and with that stable of spare parts you
  have...
 
  ~Hugh
 
  On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:23:06 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Good price... if it was a 56cm I'd be all over that!
 
  On 10/5/13, Thomas B darcyspe...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
   Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted
 with
  
   Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The wheels
  are
   XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke
  front/rear,
  
   shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm.
  
   The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the
 paint
  
   (please take a look at the photos:
   https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa).
   The wheels and tires are still in great shape.
  
   I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of
 89cm
  
   and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size was a
  bit
   much for me.
   I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the
  handling
   more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live in
  the
   East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger
 on a
  
   Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something
 else a
  
   try.
  
   I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping.
  
   Please contact me off list if interested.
  
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