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i cant even send emails 3mbps three mobile broadband 1½kb a second this is les sthan an external itu t v42mnp5 v34bis modem which connects at 115200bps everytime but wont let me use the hardware compression unless i pay onspeed for the software comrpession service what a con On 18/07/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi! Thanks very much for the effort to get all that sorted. It's much appreciated, and great that you've gone to the effort of trying to find the problem and fix it. :-) I'll look forward to it (no rush), and fingers crossed! ;-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, I have now received a sample of two new keyboard membranes from the supplier which appear to address the issues - they have done a slight re-design and gone for a thinner membrane (more like the original), which has cured the problem on my own Sam Coupé I will send you a replacement when the main order is received. Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund..
Re: keyboard membrane replacement
Hi Warren, I have now received a sample of two new keyboard membranes from the supplier which appear to address the issues - they have done a slight re-design and gone for a thinner membrane (more like the original), which has cured the problem on my own Sam Coupé I will send you a replacement when the main order is received. Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ I have only just come across this discussion thread and have to apologise for the issues with these replacement keyboard membranes. I am surprised that no-one got in touch with me to raise the problem before Colin emailed me, as this would have helped get the issue addressed several months ago! As soon as Colin raised the issue, I took the decision to remove the Sam Coupe keyboard membranes from sale. I have now acquired a Sam Coupé and been able to verify the issue and am in discussions with the keyboard membrane manufacturer who seems as perplexed as me as to what is causing the issue (they now have the keyboard from my Sam Coupé). We have identified that elongating one of the locating holes can help with the problem, but the fact that the keys on the QWERTY... and ASDF... rows are smaller than the other rows does not help! I admit that I did not have a Sam Coupé when I ordered the membrane, howevere, the manufacturer has many years experience of making keyboard membranes, and the others which they have provided have worked brilliantly without any problems (including ones for the Enterprise 64, Z88 and ZX Spectrum - remember that they have never used or seen these machines either!). Once the results of the investigations are complete and a solution found, I will make an announcement - however, in the meantime, if anyone wants to return the keyboard membrane to me for a refund, that is not a problem Rich Mellor www.rwapsoftware.co.uk -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk http://www.rwapservices.co.uk -- Try out our new site: http://sellmyretro.com
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Hi! Thanks very much for the effort to get all that sorted. It's much appreciated, and great that you've gone to the effort of trying to find the problem and fix it. :-) I'll look forward to it (no rush), and fingers crossed! ;-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, I have now received a sample of two new keyboard membranes from the supplier which appear to address the issues - they have done a slight re-design and gone for a thinner membrane (more like the original), which has cured the problem on my own Sam Coupé I will send you a replacement when the main order is received. Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund...
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ok ok just that it has taken me ten years to do an animation for sam and i realised how to do it so long ago that i figured it was going to be easy and the real reason why it has not been easy is because i ahve absolutely no control over my pc and when you add in the several thousand reinstalls of xp vista and win7 i have had to try as i realised that theere might be 64 bit versions of drivers for various hardware from various manufacturers ok ok keyboard membranes i bought one i tried it it seemed to work but i was only using it for five minutes i havent actually sat down and tried to figure out how im goign to get the 30mb tap file into a real sam without using a world of speecy tap audio player frmo the pc connected from ear of pc (line out) to sams mic and load the whole shabang which will take awhile unles the audio pc tap player manages to support the T:35 setting or even better (faster ) level of playback anyone think of a better idea? unlessyou are all using sim coupe to read and write atom lite hdf files direct to and from real compact flash cards conencted to your pc which was exactly what edwin did when he gave me two compact flash filled with programs after i trailed to sweden with 800 kronenbergs to meet him On 07/06/2011, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk wrote: I think the only vague link here is with customer service... I pride myself on my customer service, but then to survive in the world of retro computers, that is essential - after all, the market is fairly limited (and I tend to know when someone contacts me if they have purchased from me before - my mailing list is not THAT big!). However, in the world of broadband / mobile phones, I guess that any of the providers don't care that someone gets upset that they cannot provide good service - after all one customer who walks away out of several million customers is hardly going to have any effect! The only way we will ever change the broadband industry is if people start insisting on having a minimum speed included in the contract, and make that a critical term of the contract, so that there is an easy cop out if the company fail to deliver. At the moment, when they advertise up to 8 Meg, or up to 25 Meg, and we get 2Meg if you are really lucky, then there is no come back! Somehow I doubt the broadband providers would EVER agree to set a minimum speed! OK - that is the end of things really - Roger, if you have a complaint with Vodafone or whoever, people interested in the SAM are hardly going to have any influence. It is all down to buyer beware, read contracts and the small print, and if you think you have got a really rotten deal then either don't sign up to it, or take it to trading standards. CAN WE NOW PLEASE FINISH THIS DISCUSSION, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS ANYTHING MORE TO SAY ON KEYBOARD MEMBRANES (which is, after all, the topic of the discussion!). Rich www.rwapsoftware.co.uk On 07/06/2011 17:54, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: I don't know why i'm replying, sheer stubborness, i guess, but here goes... think this through slowly... see how each email has a topic heading? Yes? Even if, through some twisted logic, you think your vodaphone issue is related to a retro computer user group, try this radical idea... start a new topic, rather than jumping into smothering a completely unrelated one. Also, another radical idea... try being polite to people. It usually gets a better response. Quoting Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com: dont tell me let me guess your sending emaisl to the group from work in otherwords you dont even have to pay for the internet connection so why the hell should you care a jot unless your using your mobile fone in which case teh entire webstie doesnt appear correctly and at 10p a MB with asda mobile you are not getting just a teensy weensy bit fleeced? try trasnferring emualtors you pay for the data u use but oh look the programs dont work wont install but youve already payed for them so retrasnfer teh same data acouple fo dozen times get it? On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: how does an internet service provider not have something to do with a user group that refuses to allow people to use their sams to access teh user group or messages? you want me to pay an isp to access this group im telling you that im not paying for this service from companies that cheat people i have an itu t v44+IPR=921600 bps modem why cant i use it why cant i use the hardware comropession capabilities why the hell would i want ot pay onspeed to use software comrepssion of text and html based on their servers when teh modem has these fatures built in this is utterly rediculous dont complain dont complain no and get ripped off pillocks the lot of you £200 for contract termination they havent kept one letter of the contract the crooks On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: i just dont want to hear it no more i have
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so which subject do you want in this? On 10/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ok ok just that it has taken me ten years to do an animation for sam and i realised how to do it so long ago that i figured it was going to be easy and the real reason why it has not been easy is because i ahve absolutely no control over my pc and when you add in the several thousand reinstalls of xp vista and win7 i have had to try as i realised that theere might be 64 bit versions of drivers for various hardware from various manufacturers ok ok keyboard membranes i bought one i tried it it seemed to work but i was only using it for five minutes i havent actually sat down and tried to figure out how im goign to get the 30mb tap file into a real sam without using a world of speecy tap audio player frmo the pc connected from ear of pc (line out) to sams mic and load the whole shabang which will take awhile unles the audio pc tap player manages to support the T:35 setting or even better (faster ) level of playback anyone think of a better idea? unlessyou are all using sim coupe to read and write atom lite hdf files direct to and from real compact flash cards conencted to your pc which was exactly what edwin did when he gave me two compact flash filled with programs after i trailed to sweden with 800 kronenbergs to meet him On 07/06/2011, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk wrote: I think the only vague link here is with customer service... I pride myself on my customer service, but then to survive in the world of retro computers, that is essential - after all, the market is fairly limited (and I tend to know when someone contacts me if they have purchased from me before - my mailing list is not THAT big!). However, in the world of broadband / mobile phones, I guess that any of the providers don't care that someone gets upset that they cannot provide good service - after all one customer who walks away out of several million customers is hardly going to have any effect! The only way we will ever change the broadband industry is if people start insisting on having a minimum speed included in the contract, and make that a critical term of the contract, so that there is an easy cop out if the company fail to deliver. At the moment, when they advertise up to 8 Meg, or up to 25 Meg, and we get 2Meg if you are really lucky, then there is no come back! Somehow I doubt the broadband providers would EVER agree to set a minimum speed! OK - that is the end of things really - Roger, if you have a complaint with Vodafone or whoever, people interested in the SAM are hardly going to have any influence. It is all down to buyer beware, read contracts and the small print, and if you think you have got a really rotten deal then either don't sign up to it, or take it to trading standards. CAN WE NOW PLEASE FINISH THIS DISCUSSION, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS ANYTHING MORE TO SAY ON KEYBOARD MEMBRANES (which is, after all, the topic of the discussion!). Rich www.rwapsoftware.co.uk On 07/06/2011 17:54, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: I don't know why i'm replying, sheer stubborness, i guess, but here goes... think this through slowly... see how each email has a topic heading? Yes? Even if, through some twisted logic, you think your vodaphone issue is related to a retro computer user group, try this radical idea... start a new topic, rather than jumping into smothering a completely unrelated one. Also, another radical idea... try being polite to people. It usually gets a better response. Quoting Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com: dont tell me let me guess your sending emaisl to the group from work in otherwords you dont even have to pay for the internet connection so why the hell should you care a jot unless your using your mobile fone in which case teh entire webstie doesnt appear correctly and at 10p a MB with asda mobile you are not getting just a teensy weensy bit fleeced? try trasnferring emualtors you pay for the data u use but oh look the programs dont work wont install but youve already payed for them so retrasnfer teh same data acouple fo dozen times get it? On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: how does an internet service provider not have something to do with a user group that refuses to allow people to use their sams to access teh user group or messages? you want me to pay an isp to access this group im telling you that im not paying for this service from companies that cheat people i have an itu t v44+IPR=921600 bps modem why cant i use it why cant i use the hardware comropession capabilities why the hell would i want ot pay onspeed to use software comrepssion of text and html based on their servers when teh modem has these fatures built in this is utterly rediculous dont complain dont complain no and get ripped off pillocks the lot of you £200 for contract termination they havent kept one letter of the
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i know a new subject subject is how a column of text is not allowed to touch the left and right edge of the screen due to tiny menus somewhere miles up the page or on the left or right that only last a few lines great screen use folks lets spend all day scrolling up n doon all the time On 10/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: so which subject do you want in this? On 10/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ok ok just that it has taken me ten years to do an animation for sam and i realised how to do it so long ago that i figured it was going to be easy and the real reason why it has not been easy is because i ahve absolutely no control over my pc and when you add in the several thousand reinstalls of xp vista and win7 i have had to try as i realised that theere might be 64 bit versions of drivers for various hardware from various manufacturers ok ok keyboard membranes i bought one i tried it it seemed to work but i was only using it for five minutes i havent actually sat down and tried to figure out how im goign to get the 30mb tap file into a real sam without using a world of speecy tap audio player frmo the pc connected from ear of pc (line out) to sams mic and load the whole shabang which will take awhile unles the audio pc tap player manages to support the T:35 setting or even better (faster ) level of playback anyone think of a better idea? unlessyou are all using sim coupe to read and write atom lite hdf files direct to and from real compact flash cards conencted to your pc which was exactly what edwin did when he gave me two compact flash filled with programs after i trailed to sweden with 800 kronenbergs to meet him On 07/06/2011, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk wrote: I think the only vague link here is with customer service... I pride myself on my customer service, but then to survive in the world of retro computers, that is essential - after all, the market is fairly limited (and I tend to know when someone contacts me if they have purchased from me before - my mailing list is not THAT big!). However, in the world of broadband / mobile phones, I guess that any of the providers don't care that someone gets upset that they cannot provide good service - after all one customer who walks away out of several million customers is hardly going to have any effect! The only way we will ever change the broadband industry is if people start insisting on having a minimum speed included in the contract, and make that a critical term of the contract, so that there is an easy cop out if the company fail to deliver. At the moment, when they advertise up to 8 Meg, or up to 25 Meg, and we get 2Meg if you are really lucky, then there is no come back! Somehow I doubt the broadband providers would EVER agree to set a minimum speed! OK - that is the end of things really - Roger, if you have a complaint with Vodafone or whoever, people interested in the SAM are hardly going to have any influence. It is all down to buyer beware, read contracts and the small print, and if you think you have got a really rotten deal then either don't sign up to it, or take it to trading standards. CAN WE NOW PLEASE FINISH THIS DISCUSSION, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS ANYTHING MORE TO SAY ON KEYBOARD MEMBRANES (which is, after all, the topic of the discussion!). Rich www.rwapsoftware.co.uk On 07/06/2011 17:54, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: I don't know why i'm replying, sheer stubborness, i guess, but here goes... think this through slowly... see how each email has a topic heading? Yes? Even if, through some twisted logic, you think your vodaphone issue is related to a retro computer user group, try this radical idea... start a new topic, rather than jumping into smothering a completely unrelated one. Also, another radical idea... try being polite to people. It usually gets a better response. Quoting Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com: dont tell me let me guess your sending emaisl to the group from work in otherwords you dont even have to pay for the internet connection so why the hell should you care a jot unless your using your mobile fone in which case teh entire webstie doesnt appear correctly and at 10p a MB with asda mobile you are not getting just a teensy weensy bit fleeced? try trasnferring emualtors you pay for the data u use but oh look the programs dont work wont install but youve already payed for them so retrasnfer teh same data acouple fo dozen times get it? On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: how does an internet service provider not have something to do with a user group that refuses to allow people to use their sams to access teh user group or messages? you want me to pay an isp to access this group im telling you that im not paying for this service from companies that cheat people i have an itu t v44+IPR=921600 bps modem why cant i use it why cant i use the hardware
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Warren, you are speaking for everyone here, I think. At least for me. Maybe Roger will ask next time about tips how to fix his car? @Roger: You got a hardware cheaper or gratis for your contract, which is running for a defined time period, so if you cancel the (no one cares about it) contract, you must pay cancelation bill, no matter how slow your fg wodafone connection is. The contract just said how much (up to) the fg speed can be, not how much you will really get. So if you cancel the contract, face the reality and pay the 200 Pound. And read your contract next time before you sign. Or ask a lawyer in a lawyer newsgroup. No, I'm not working for teh fg wodafone, but I read my contracts. I will put your mail address into my spam blocker. 2011/6/7 war...@wdlee.co.uk I can't speak for anyone else, but if you are going to send replies, please make them at least vaguely relevant. This is a place for discussing SAM related items, NOT vodaphone contracts, especially when they have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Quoting Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com: are you sure if you work for voda phone you can send a letter asking for £200 for cancellation of contract after all 85kbps is exactly the same as the advertised 28.8mbps connection refund anyone? On 06/06/2011, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk wrote: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund.
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On 06/06/11 15:21, Rich Mellor wrote: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. Well said Rich. I remember doing the same free exchange when I cocked up UniDOS for the disciple and +D and also the hardware for the sam hard drive (HDOS). Both ended up costing me more than I made but at least I could sleep at night knowing I was (had) done the most honourable thing. Your comment above has left me with a nice warm feeling. -- Nev
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Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund...
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ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund..
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actually i need a timing belt cover! On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund...
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sorry for asking you questions about how to use bmp2scr and retor X they dont work they didnt do what i thought they would yousaid they had sam support they do screen reslution and mode 4 wise but geez i cant bare teh thought of another ten hours trying to figure out whether it has worked or not or how to use python just to get another video uplaoded to youtube which takes another three days as i have to trasnfer teh same video file ten times in order that vodaphone can make even more money although the uplaod unadvertised speed is even lower than teh advertised download speed which we dont get either but according to legal websites we are not allowed to compalin about it either or they have the right to hack our computer s to buitsof course they do how dare we get valu for moeny its unheard of thats why im running 4 64bit processors with a 32 bit operating system with aton of softwrawe that doesnt work and when teh amchine crashes that is bprobably my fault too mind you the hardware drivers dont install and crash teh anticvurs bollox utter frikking bollox this is facist crap and you know it On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: actually i need a timing belt cover! On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund...
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Jowett, what part of: This is a place for discussing SAM related items, NOT vodaphone contracts, especially when they have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand. was too complicated??!! If you want to post things like this, please find yourself a Vodaphone complaints forum or something similar. Quoting Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com: ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_coupe enchoo spotted your link On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for asking you questions about how to use bmp2scr and retor X they dont work they didnt do what i thought they would yousaid they had sam support they do screen reslution and mode 4 wise but geez i cant bare teh thought of another ten hours trying to figure out whether it has worked or not or how to use python just to get another video uplaoded to youtube which takes another three days as i have to trasnfer teh same video file ten times in order that vodaphone can make even more money although the uplaod unadvertised speed is even lower than teh advertised download speed which we dont get either but according to legal websites we are not allowed to compalin about it either or they have the right to hack our computer s to buitsof course they do how dare we get valu for moeny its unheard of thats why im running 4 64bit processors with a 32 bit operating system with aton of softwrawe that doesnt work and when teh amchine crashes that is bprobably my fault too mind you the hardware drivers dont install and crash teh anticvurs bollox utter frikking bollox this is facist crap and you know it On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: actually i need a timing belt cover! On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get
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i just dont want to hear it no more i have my hair to do my makeup to put on and already you have given me a headache lucky we arent... On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_coupe enchoo spotted your link On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for asking you questions about how to use bmp2scr and retor X they dont work they didnt do what i thought they would yousaid they had sam support they do screen reslution and mode 4 wise but geez i cant bare teh thought of another ten hours trying to figure out whether it has worked or not or how to use python just to get another video uplaoded to youtube which takes another three days as i have to trasnfer teh same video file ten times in order that vodaphone can make even more money although the uplaod unadvertised speed is even lower than teh advertised download speed which we dont get either but according to legal websites we are not allowed to compalin about it either or they have the right to hack our computer s to buitsof course they do how dare we get valu for moeny its unheard of thats why im running 4 64bit processors with a 32 bit operating system with aton of softwrawe that doesnt work and when teh amchine crashes that is bprobably my fault too mind you the hardware drivers dont install and crash teh anticvurs bollox utter frikking bollox this is facist crap and you know it On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: actually i need a timing belt cover! On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see
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how does an internet service provider not have something to do with a user group that refuses to allow people to use their sams to access teh user group or messages? you want me to pay an isp to access this group im telling you that im not paying for this service from companies that cheat people i have an itu t v44+IPR=921600 bps modem why cant i use it why cant i use the hardware comropession capabilities why the hell would i want ot pay onspeed to use software comrepssion of text and html based on their servers when teh modem has these fatures built in this is utterly rediculous dont complain dont complain no and get ripped off pillocks the lot of you £200 for contract termination they havent kept one letter of the contract the crooks On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: i just dont want to hear it no more i have my hair to do my makeup to put on and already you have given me a headache lucky we arent... On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_coupe enchoo spotted your link On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for asking you questions about how to use bmp2scr and retor X they dont work they didnt do what i thought they would yousaid they had sam support they do screen reslution and mode 4 wise but geez i cant bare teh thought of another ten hours trying to figure out whether it has worked or not or how to use python just to get another video uplaoded to youtube which takes another three days as i have to trasnfer teh same video file ten times in order that vodaphone can make even more money although the uplaod unadvertised speed is even lower than teh advertised download speed which we dont get either but according to legal websites we are not allowed to compalin about it either or they have the right to hack our computer s to buitsof course they do how dare we get valu for moeny its unheard of thats why im running 4 64bit processors with a 32 bit operating system with aton of softwrawe that doesnt work and when teh amchine crashes that is bprobably my fault too mind you the hardware drivers dont install and crash teh anticvurs bollox utter frikking bollox this is facist crap and you know it On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: actually i need a timing belt cover! On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren
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dont tell me let me guess your sending emaisl to the group from work in otherwords you dont even have to pay for the internet connection so why the hell should you care a jot unless your using your mobile fone in which case teh entire webstie doesnt appear correctly and at 10p a MB with asda mobile you are not getting just a teensy weensy bit fleeced? try trasnferring emualtors you pay for the data u use but oh look the programs dont work wont install but youve already payed for them so retrasnfer teh same data acouple fo dozen times get it? On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: how does an internet service provider not have something to do with a user group that refuses to allow people to use their sams to access teh user group or messages? you want me to pay an isp to access this group im telling you that im not paying for this service from companies that cheat people i have an itu t v44+IPR=921600 bps modem why cant i use it why cant i use the hardware comropession capabilities why the hell would i want ot pay onspeed to use software comrepssion of text and html based on their servers when teh modem has these fatures built in this is utterly rediculous dont complain dont complain no and get ripped off pillocks the lot of you £200 for contract termination they havent kept one letter of the contract the crooks On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: i just dont want to hear it no more i have my hair to do my makeup to put on and already you have given me a headache lucky we arent... On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_coupe enchoo spotted your link On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for asking you questions about how to use bmp2scr and retor X they dont work they didnt do what i thought they would yousaid they had sam support they do screen reslution and mode 4 wise but geez i cant bare teh thought of another ten hours trying to figure out whether it has worked or not or how to use python just to get another video uplaoded to youtube which takes another three days as i have to trasnfer teh same video file ten times in order that vodaphone can make even more money although the uplaod unadvertised speed is even lower than teh advertised download speed which we dont get either but according to legal websites we are not allowed to compalin about it either or they have the right to hack our computer s to buitsof course they do how dare we get valu for moeny its unheard of thats why im running 4 64bit processors with a 32 bit operating system with aton of softwrawe that doesnt work and when teh amchine crashes that is bprobably my fault too mind you the hardware drivers dont install and crash teh anticvurs bollox utter frikking bollox this is facist crap and you know it On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: actually i need a timing belt cover! On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to
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I don't know why i'm replying, sheer stubborness, i guess, but here goes... think this through slowly... see how each email has a topic heading? Yes? Even if, through some twisted logic, you think your vodaphone issue is related to a retro computer user group, try this radical idea... start a new topic, rather than jumping into smothering a completely unrelated one. Also, another radical idea... try being polite to people. It usually gets a better response. Quoting Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com: dont tell me let me guess your sending emaisl to the group from work in otherwords you dont even have to pay for the internet connection so why the hell should you care a jot unless your using your mobile fone in which case teh entire webstie doesnt appear correctly and at 10p a MB with asda mobile you are not getting just a teensy weensy bit fleeced? try trasnferring emualtors you pay for the data u use but oh look the programs dont work wont install but youve already payed for them so retrasnfer teh same data acouple fo dozen times get it? On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: how does an internet service provider not have something to do with a user group that refuses to allow people to use their sams to access teh user group or messages? you want me to pay an isp to access this group im telling you that im not paying for this service from companies that cheat people i have an itu t v44+IPR=921600 bps modem why cant i use it why cant i use the hardware comropession capabilities why the hell would i want ot pay onspeed to use software comrepssion of text and html based on their servers when teh modem has these fatures built in this is utterly rediculous dont complain dont complain no and get ripped off pillocks the lot of you £200 for contract termination they havent kept one letter of the contract the crooks On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: i just dont want to hear it no more i have my hair to do my makeup to put on and already you have given me a headache lucky we arent... On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_coupe enchoo spotted your link On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for asking you questions about how to use bmp2scr and retor X they dont work they didnt do what i thought they would yousaid they had sam support they do screen reslution and mode 4 wise but geez i cant bare teh thought of another ten hours trying to figure out whether it has worked or not or how to use python just to get another video uplaoded to youtube which takes another three days as i have to trasnfer teh same video file ten times in order that vodaphone can make even more money although the uplaod unadvertised speed is even lower than teh advertised download speed which we dont get either but according to legal websites we are not allowed to compalin about it either or they have the right to hack our computer s to buitsof course they do how dare we get valu for moeny its unheard of thats why im running 4 64bit processors with a 32 bit operating system with aton of softwrawe that doesnt work and when teh amchine crashes that is bprobably my fault too mind you the hardware drivers dont install and crash teh anticvurs bollox utter frikking bollox this is facist crap and you know it On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: actually i need a timing belt cover! On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: ditto so you walk into a supermarket buy a loaf of bread pay for it then ask tehm to chop it into 100 slices and walk out of the shop with only one? soudns fair to you does it speaking legally and you need to contact a legal webstie in order to work that one out do you? jeeezuz christ these c*^nts are ripping you off left right and centre and no one complains about the louzy service? christ no wonder they find it so easy to send out letters asking for £200 prats like you lot would pay it im in breach of contract like hell i am 28.8mbps dream on i have seen it manage 2mbps on a good day for a few minutes but barely if ever im not paying £20 per month for 85kbps what does it have to do with this forum? well ok then let me use my serial comms port to use teh same external v34bis itu t v42mnp5 modem for 115200bps connection with sam im happy to do that when can we get it set up then? im getting thrity fone lines from bt soon as tehy make a full refund for the louzy broadband 30KB per second advertised as 8mbps rubbish service in this country i bet the yanks wouldnt put up with this rubbish On 07/06/2011, war...@wdlee.co.uk war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Meant to say, before I got sidetracked... ahem... ;-) Thanks for the reply and offer of replacements. It's good customer service that keeps people coming back for future purchases! :-) Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend
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I think the only vague link here is with customer service... I pride myself on my customer service, but then to survive in the world of retro computers, that is essential - after all, the market is fairly limited (and I tend to know when someone contacts me if they have purchased from me before - my mailing list is not THAT big!). However, in the world of broadband / mobile phones, I guess that any of the providers don't care that someone gets upset that they cannot provide good service - after all one customer who walks away out of several million customers is hardly going to have any effect! The only way we will ever change the broadband industry is if people start insisting on having a minimum speed included in the contract, and make that a critical term of the contract, so that there is an easy cop out if the company fail to deliver. At the moment, when they advertise up to 8 Meg, or up to 25 Meg, and we get 2Meg if you are really lucky, then there is no come back! Somehow I doubt the broadband providers would EVER agree to set a minimum speed! OK - that is the end of things really - Roger, if you have a complaint with Vodafone or whoever, people interested in the SAM are hardly going to have any influence. It is all down to buyer beware, read contracts and the small print, and if you think you have got a really rotten deal then either don't sign up to it, or take it to trading standards. CAN WE NOW PLEASE FINISH THIS DISCUSSION, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS ANYTHING MORE TO SAY ON KEYBOARD MEMBRANES (which is, after all, the topic of the discussion!). Rich www.rwapsoftware.co.uk On 07/06/2011 17:54, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: I don't know why i'm replying, sheer stubborness, i guess, but here goes... think this through slowly... see how each email has a topic heading? Yes? Even if, through some twisted logic, you think your vodaphone issue is related to a retro computer user group, try this radical idea... start a new topic, rather than jumping into smothering a completely unrelated one. Also, another radical idea... try being polite to people. It usually gets a better response. Quoting Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com: dont tell me let me guess your sending emaisl to the group from work in otherwords you dont even have to pay for the internet connection so why the hell should you care a jot unless your using your mobile fone in which case teh entire webstie doesnt appear correctly and at 10p a MB with asda mobile you are not getting just a teensy weensy bit fleeced? try trasnferring emualtors you pay for the data u use but oh look the programs dont work wont install but youve already payed for them so retrasnfer teh same data acouple fo dozen times get it? On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: how does an internet service provider not have something to do with a user group that refuses to allow people to use their sams to access teh user group or messages? you want me to pay an isp to access this group im telling you that im not paying for this service from companies that cheat people i have an itu t v44+IPR=921600 bps modem why cant i use it why cant i use the hardware comropession capabilities why the hell would i want ot pay onspeed to use software comrepssion of text and html based on their servers when teh modem has these fatures built in this is utterly rediculous dont complain dont complain no and get ripped off pillocks the lot of you £200 for contract termination they havent kept one letter of the contract the crooks On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: i just dont want to hear it no more i have my hair to do my makeup to put on and already you have given me a headache lucky we arent... On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_coupe enchoo spotted your link On 07/06/2011, Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for asking you questions about how to use bmp2scr and retor X they dont work they didnt do what i thought they would yousaid they had sam support they do screen reslution and mode 4 wise but geez i cant bare teh thought of another ten hours trying to figure out whether it has worked or not or how to use python just to get another video uplaoded to youtube which takes another three days as i have to trasnfer teh same video file ten times in order that vodaphone can make even more money although the uplaod unadvertised speed is even lower than teh advertised download speed which we dont get either but according to legal websites we are not allowed to compalin about it either or they have the right to hack our computer s to buitsof course they do how dare we get valu for moeny its unheard of thats why im running 4 64bit processors with a 32 bit operating system with aton of softwrawe that doesnt work and when teh amchine crashes that is bprobably my fault too mind you the hardware drivers dont install and crash teh anticvurs
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Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ I have only just come across this discussion thread and have to apologise for the issues with these replacement keyboard membranes. I am surprised that no-one got in touch with me to raise the problem before Colin emailed me, as this would have helped get the issue addressed several months ago! As soon as Colin raised the issue, I took the decision to remove the Sam Coupe keyboard membranes from sale. I have now acquired a Sam Coupé and been able to verify the issue and am in discussions with the keyboard membrane manufacturer who seems as perplexed as me as to what is causing the issue (they now have the keyboard from my Sam Coupé). We have identified that elongating one of the locating holes can help with the problem, but the fact that the keys on the QWERTY... and ASDF... rows are smaller than the other rows does not help! I admit that I did not have a Sam Coupé when I ordered the membrane, howevere, the manufacturer has many years experience of making keyboard membranes, and the others which they have provided have worked brilliantly without any problems (including ones for the Enterprise 64, Z88 and ZX Spectrum - remember that they have never used or seen these machines either!). Once the results of the investigations are complete and a solution found, I will make an announcement - however, in the meantime, if anyone wants to return the keyboard membrane to me for a refund, that is not a problem Rich Mellor www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
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Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ I have only just come across this discussion thread and have to apologise for the issues with these replacement keyboard membranes. I am surprised that no-one got in touch with me to raise the problem before Colin emailed me, as this would have helped get the issue addressed several months ago! As soon as Colin raised the issue, I took the decision to remove the Sam Coupe keyboard membranes from sale. I have now acquired a Sam Coupé and been able to verify the issue and am in discussions with the keyboard membrane manufacturer who seems as perplexed as me as to what is causing the issue (they now have the keyboard from my Sam Coupé). We have identified that elongating one of the locating holes can help with the problem, but the fact that the keys on the QWERTY... and ASDF... rows are smaller than the other rows does not help! I admit that I did not have a Sam Coupé when I ordered the membrane, howevere, the manufacturer has many years experience of making keyboard membranes, and the others which they have provided have worked brilliantly without any problems (including ones for the Enterprise 64, Z88 and ZX Spectrum - remember that they have never used or seen these machines either!). Once the results of the investigations are complete and a solution found, I will make an announcement - however, in the meantime, if anyone wants to return the keyboard membrane to me for a refund, that is not a problem Rich Mellor www.rwapsoftware.co.uk -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk http://www.rwapservices.co.uk -- Try out our new site: http://sellmyretro.com
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are you sure if you work for voda phone you can send a letter asking for £200 for cancellation of contract after all 85kbps is exactly the same as the advertised 28.8mbps connection refund anyone? On 06/06/2011, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk wrote: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund...
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I can't speak for anyone else, but if you are going to send replies, please make them at least vaguely relevant. This is a place for discussing SAM related items, NOT vodaphone contracts, especially when they have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Quoting Roger Jowett rogerjow...@gmail.com: are you sure if you work for voda phone you can send a letter asking for £200 for cancellation of contract after all 85kbps is exactly the same as the advertised 28.8mbps connection refund anyone? On 06/06/2011, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk wrote: Hi Warren, If we can sort out the problem, then yes, I intend sending out replacements free of charge to those who have bought them and not returned them for a refund. I will of course keep people updated Rich On 06/06/2011 11:32, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: Hi Rich, Thanks for taking the time to reply here. I bought one of the membranes, but must admit that I hadn't had the time to test it and discover the problems myself, till after Colin discovered and mentioned them, and I haven't had a chance to return mine yet. If you sort the problem, are you planning to send out replacements free off charge, to those who bought one and haven't sent it back for a refund? If you are, then I'm happy to hang on to mine without a refund for now, but it would be great if you could keep us up-to-date one way or the other. If you manage to fix the problem, I've no doubt that you could be on to a winner, as many people have had problems with their original keyboard membranes and eventually more will, no doubt. A successful solution would be very welcome!! Please keep us updated, and thanks for the heads-up! Warren Quoting Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund..
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Colin Piggot quazar@... writes: Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ I have only just come across this discussion thread and have to apologise for the issues with these replacement keyboard membranes. I am surprised that no-one got in touch with me to raise the problem before Colin emailed me, as this would have helped get the issue addressed several months ago! As soon as Colin raised the issue, I took the decision to remove the Sam Coupe keyboard membranes from sale. I have now acquired a Sam Coupé and been able to verify the issue and am in discussions with the keyboard membrane manufacturer who seems as perplexed as me as to what is causing the issue (they now have the keyboard from my Sam Coupé). We have identified that elongating one of the locating holes can help with the problem, but the fact that the keys on the QWERTY... and ASDF... rows are smaller than the other rows does not help! I admit that I did not have a Sam Coupé when I ordered the membrane, howevere, the manufacturer has many years experience of making keyboard membranes, and the others which they have provided have worked brilliantly without any problems (including ones for the Enterprise 64, Z88 and ZX Spectrum - remember that they have never used or seen these machines either!). Once the results of the investigations are complete and a solution found, I will make an announcement - however, in the meantime, if anyone wants to return the keyboard membrane to me for a refund, that is not a problem Rich Mellor www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
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Spent a bit more time on this today, and a few emails to Rwap... Warren wrote: No worries! ;-) I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. I've done more testing, the new membrane does seem to have some issues with regards to the actuation force - take it out the SAM keyboard assembly and it works, but when fitted in the keyboard unless you batter the keys it doesn't register. Also, I have also noticed holding the new membrane against an old one is that when I line up the circular contact pads at one edge I can then see at the far end of the new membrane the contacts are out by about 2mm horizontally, that will also add further problems to the actuation of them. The membrane I have is now packaged up to get sent off for a refund Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/
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Ouch! That's a real shame! Thanks for the heads-up Colin! I was finally going to test mine this weekend, but was in two minds due to the extra stress it would put on the old one again... makes you wonder if the guy making 'em even tested one on a SAM, or just saw an extra market, got the dimensions, knocked them together without any real checking... Oh well! Live and learn! Quoting Colin Piggot qua...@clara.net: ellvis wrote: I just wanted to ask if anyone have bought new membrane for Sam from Rwap. If yes, what is your experience? I bought two of them. But none is working properly. I have to press keys hard and few times to get them work. Keys F and J doesn't work at all. I took care there are not any waves as the holes for plastic pins are tight, I tried to assemble it few times - always did it very carefully. But the results are still the same. I will try ore or two times more, but right now I am pretty dissapointed by it's quality. After seeing ellvis's post, I've squeezed in the time this evening to try the membrane that I had bought from Rwap... I tested it on two SAMs and in two keyboard assemblies... to sum it up, to my dissapointment it's next to useless. Pressing every key on the keyboard only a couple responded... and even those keys didn't always respond. Time to try and get my money back Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/
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Yes, my membrane from RWAP also work incorrect. But theoretically exist very easy way for fix this bug. ( Replace pull-up resistors on SAM COUPE... it's not tested, but can help ) The main problem would appear with the one I have, after more testing, is the pressure required to make the contact. Pressing really, really hard triggers most of keys some of the time. I've seen in the past when I once tested small bubble switches (about 0.5mm high) to create a membrane on a PCB the rubber mat under the keys absorbs a lot of pressure and the centre plunger part squashes to the side rather than fully down - so that was an abandoned project (and about £84 down the drain for the batch of the switches I bought!) Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/
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Warren wrote: Ouch! That's a real shame! Thanks for the heads-up Colin! I was finally going to test mine this weekend, but was in two minds due to the extra stress it would put on the old one again... makes you wonder if the guy making 'em even tested one on a SAM, or just saw an extra market, got the dimensions, knocked them together without any real checking... Oh well! Live and learn! Sorry to have mentioned them to you! :( From what I can see in an email I received a while after I got the membrane and let you know about them, is that Rwap doesn't own a SAM Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/
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No worries! ;-) I'd have probably seen them on ebay anyway, and tried one, given the problems I've had in the past with my membrane. Pity the guy making them, didn't produce a test one first and at least contact somebody with a SAM to try it. Quoting Colin Piggot qua...@clara.net: Warren wrote: Ouch! That's a real shame! Thanks for the heads-up Colin! I was finally going to test mine this weekend, but was in two minds due to the extra stress it would put on the old one again... makes you wonder if the guy making 'em even tested one on a SAM, or just saw an extra market, got the dimensions, knocked them together without any real checking... Oh well! Live and learn! Sorry to have mentioned them to you! :( From what I can see in an email I received a while after I got the membrane and let you know about them, is that Rwap doesn't own a SAM Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/
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ellvis wrote: I just wanted to ask if anyone have bought new membrane for Sam from Rwap. If yes, what is your experience? I bought two of them. But none is working properly. I have to press keys hard and few times to get them work. Keys F and J doesn't work at all. I took care there are not any waves as the holes for plastic pins are tight, I tried to assemble it few times - always did it very carefully. But the results are still the same. I will try ore or two times more, but right now I am pretty dissapointed by it's quality. After seeing ellvis's post, I've squeezed in the time this evening to try the membrane that I had bought from Rwap... I tested it on two SAMs and in two keyboard assemblies... to sum it up, to my dissapointment it's next to useless. Pressing every key on the keyboard only a couple responded... and even those keys didn't always respond. Time to try and get my money back Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/
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- Original Message - From: Colin Piggot qua...@clara.net To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:48 AM Subject: Re: keyboard membrane replacement ellvis wrote: I just wanted to ask if anyone have bought new membrane for Sam from Rwap. If yes, what is your experience? I bought two of them. But none is working properly. I have to press keys hard and few times to get them work. Keys F and J doesn't work at all. I took care there are not any waves as the holes for plastic pins are tight, I tried to assemble it few times - always did it very carefully. But the results are still the same. I will try ore or two times more, but right now I am pretty dissapointed by it's quality. After seeing ellvis's post, I've squeezed in the time this evening to try the membrane that I had bought from Rwap... I tested it on two SAMs and in two keyboard assemblies... to sum it up, to my dissapointment it's next to useless. Pressing every key on the keyboard only a couple responded... and even those keys didn't always respond. Time to try and get my money back Colin = Yes, my membrane from RWAP also work incorrect. But theoretically exist very easy way for fix this bug. ( Replace pull-up resistors on SAM COUPE... it's not tested, but can help ) VELESOFT
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I echo that. Thanks for the info. I bought one probably a good month or more ago, but I just haven't had the chance to test it yet. I think Colin had tried one and found it worked okay after a quick test, so I'm hoping mine will work too. Shame to hear that you've had that problem! I'll let everyone know how mine goes, when I try it. Warren Quoting Steve st...@samcoupe-pro-dos.co.uk: Hi, I'm sorry to hear that you have some problems with them. I've held back on getting two, hoping to hear how good they are. I'm keep on using Colin's PC Keyboard interface http://www.samcoupe.com/hardkey.htm It looks like I might be getting another PC interface for my second SAM. Thanks for letting us know about your experience. Steve(spt) -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of ellvis Sent: 22 March 2011 18:55 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: keyboard membrane replacement Hi all, I just wanted to ask if anyone have bought new membrane for Sam from Rwap. If yes, what is your experience? I bought two of them. But none is working properly. I have to press keys hard and few times to get them work. Keys F and J doesn't work at all. I took care there are not any waves as the holes for plastic pins are tight, I tried to assemble it few times - always did it very carefully. But the results are still the same. I will try ore or two times more, but right now I am pretty dissapointed by it's quality. e. -- ellvis/ZeroTeam ell...@zeroteam.sk http://zeroteam.sk ZX Spectrum support since 1996
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Warren wrote: I echo that. Thanks for the info. I bought one probably a good month or more ago, but I just haven't had the chance to test it yet. I think Colin had tried one and found it worked okay after a quick test, so I'm hoping mine will work too. ellvis wrote: I will try ore or two times more, but right now I am pretty dissapointed by it's quality. I've got one, but still not had a chance to test it out yet. I had a quick look at it when it arrived back in January and it looks durable enough, but it's a bit worrying to hear that two don't work... Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the SAM Coupé 1995-2011 - Celebrating 17 Years of developing for the SAM Coupé Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/
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Hi, I'm sorry to hear that you have some problems with them. I've held back on getting two, hoping to hear how good they are. I'm keep on using Colin's PC Keyboard interface http://www.samcoupe.com/hardkey.htm It looks like I might be getting another PC interface for my second SAM. Thanks for letting us know about your experience. Steve(spt) -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of ellvis Sent: 22 March 2011 18:55 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: keyboard membrane replacement Hi all, I just wanted to ask if anyone have bought new membrane for Sam from Rwap. If yes, what is your experience? I bought two of them. But none is working properly. I have to press keys hard and few times to get them work. Keys F and J doesn't work at all. I took care there are not any waves as the holes for plastic pins are tight, I tried to assemble it few times - always did it very carefully. But the results are still the same. I will try ore or two times more, but right now I am pretty dissapointed by it's quality. e. -- ellvis/ZeroTeam ell...@zeroteam.sk http://zeroteam.sk ZX Spectrum support since 1996
