Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
Amen! The only thing about his show that makes me laugh is when you see him running in the opening credits, as if he's late for the show. And frankly, Conan's version of that was way funnier. When he took over The Tonight Show and moved to LA, he opened with a hilarious bit that made it seem as if he ran all the way from East to West coast-in his suit and tie! - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:09:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! No it doesn't. That was just a marketing plot to show how "hip" he is. He's so unfunny that he could possibly be defined as ANTI-COMEDY. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: Having the Roots as his house band absolves Mr. Fallon of all sins. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf" wrote: > > Oh don't get me started! :) Fallon is the worst waste of space on tv! > Infomercials are more entertaining than his disjointed sap! > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:55 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: > > > > > > > No, really, Mr. Worf, tell us how you really feel... > > > > > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > > > --- On *Fri, 1/22/10, Mr. Worf * wrote: > > > > > > From: Mr. Worf > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:44 PM > > > > > > Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere > > and not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late > > night > > for years. Fallon is just a waste of space. > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson > < http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@.. .> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not > >> more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent > >> (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I > >> think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't > >> help > >> but hurt Conan. > >> I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how > >> about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with > >> skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back > >> and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little > >> success. > >> But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes > >> haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American > >> Idol" > >> or "Dancing with the Stars"??? > >> Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"? > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Tracey de Morsella" >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tdli...@.. .> > >> > > >> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < > >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com > > >> Cc: " Lockhart, Daryle " >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dar...@.. .>>, > >> afrikanmind@ hotmail.com < > >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=afrikanm...@.. .>, > >> "Albert Fields" >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cbilmarket...@.. .>>, > >> bettil...@msn. com< > >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bettil...@.. .>, > >> "CINQUE" >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cinque3...@.. .>>, > >> dorothyhamm@ sbcglobal. net< > >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dorothyh...@.. .>, > >> duva...@hotmail. com< > >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duva...@.. .>, > >> fis...@bellsouth. net< > >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fis...@.. .>, > >> "GTW" >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gwashin...@.. .>>, > >> "Jeffrey Ballou" >> http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeffreypbal...@.. .>&g
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
I didn't like Monster's Ball for lots of reasons. As a black man, i had no desire to see a movie in which one black man is on death row, a young black boy is verbally abused and encounters major horrors, and white bigots get to have sex with black women. I felt the sex scene with Berry and Thornton--which she found her courage to do by exposing her top in "Swordfish"--was unnecessarily graphic, and disturbed me in profound ways: massah getting it on with the slave gal. I frankly felt it was a movie only a white guy could have written. Yeah, i know Lee Daniels was part of the crew, but he's got his own issues, such as his skin color prejudice. I felt Monster's Ball was an update on white male fantasies that have dogged us since slavery: white man eliminates black man, abuses black woman, but somehow there's something "good" to be found in their relationship. Right: give me more movies with black men and black women making it *together* in the world. - Original Message - From: "Grayson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:57:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. Grayson --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn" wrote: > > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, > Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either > her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, > "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I > like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John > Travolta is always fun to watch. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole > wrote: > > > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched > > Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep > > thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth > > the effort. > > > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because > > they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't > > (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked > > the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to > > just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). > > > > What do you think? > > > > Grayson Reyes-Cole > > http://www.graysonreyescole.com > > Facebook > > Bright Star > > The Builder > > The Prescription Playboy > > >
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
Dude, it ain't worth it for that. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:41:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish "Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer..." Okay, okay... I'll watch it. Didn't have to twist my arm. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:04:14 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole wrote: > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched > Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep > thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth > the effort. > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because > they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't > (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the > DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just > being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). > > What do you think? > > Grayson Reyes-Cole > http://www.graysonreyescole.com > Facebook > Bright Star > The Builder > The Prescription Playboy > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good?
Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand . Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield ( McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah ( The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" an epic television event. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] "Enterprise" Marathon on SyFy
Other than that horrible "fuc* you" series ender B&B crafted, one of the worst single shows in all of Trek, up (or down) there with the clip show that ended season two of TNG. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:13:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Enterprise" Marathon on SyFy George, that's because they finally wised up and sent the Killers B's packing. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:46:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Enterprise" Marathon on SyFy Agreed the series was really hitting its stride before the suits pulled the plug./ From: Keith Johnson To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:39:45 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] "Enterprise" Marathon on SyFy Another "Enterprise" marathon on SyFy all day today. That's followed by the movie "First Contact", and then by the premiere of "Caprica". I will say about "Enterprise" , it's a show that had its moments. Watching the Xindi storyline in big chunks, for example, I can appreciate the dramatic intensity of it better. There are some gems in that storyline: the "Memento" type ep (on now) where Archer's in a future where Earth's destroyed, and T'Pol must retell the story to him every single day...the ep where, desperate to continue the mission, Archer orders his reluctant crew to actually attack and steal supplies from a ship that had recently aided them.. A powerful study of morality vs. need, and rather radical for "Trek"...the various dealings with the Vulcans and Andorians--how cool to see the Andorians having had so significant a part in the early days of Starfleet, how cool to see Vulcan as a sometimes duplicitous, self-serving planet on the brink of rejecting Logic, how cool to see how Earth, as an outsider planet, helped broker deals that lead to the creation of the Federation. There was lots of good stuff that fleshed out and revealed new stories on the history of Starfleet. As the show entered it's last couple of seasons it hit its stride and became what I expected. Of course, one has to wade through the bad first couple of seasons, the juvenile attempts at titillation sprinkled throughout the series, and the B&B obsession with time travel stories, one of which ruined the whole Xindi storyline by ending with that stupid Nazi/alien occupied NYC. But overall, not a bad way to spend a day. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Swordfish
I really disliked it. I thought it was stupid. I'm all for good camp, but Travolta's over-the-top villain was laughable--in a bad way. As one of the few men in America not hypnotized by Berry, her exposed top didn't do anything for me (and I'm still a bit sad that a woman exposing her top is sometimes considered a necessary career move to get better roles anyway). Things such as Jackman having to do a major hack in sixty seconds while a lady pleasures him were just unnecessary stuff added, like something done by leering teen boys. I'm only seen it once--that was enough for me. - Original Message - From: "Grayson Reyes-Cole" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:36:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Swordfish I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth the effort. I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). What do you think? Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star The Builder The Prescription Playboy
Re: [scifinoir2] AT&T U-verse Doomed?
What's the upper limit in bandwidth AT&T can offer, if copper's carrying the signal for as much as a mile? Per fibre running closer to the home would give the potential for much greater speeds in the long run. Is 20 MBits AT&T's upper limit? I can see fibre hitting ten times that speed some day...- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:29:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] AT&T U-verse Doomed? Many have heard of the difficulties in implementing AT&T's U-verse IPTV service. AT&T's U-verse network is actually a fiber/copper hybrid, which pulls fibers to 3,000 to 5,000 feet from the homes they serve, where it then connects to mini-DSLAMs called "52B" boxes and then it runs copper the last mile to the home. This hybrid approach is a bargain when compared to the $20 billion Verizon is spending to build-out fiber all the way to the home. This hybrid fiber/copper approach gives AT&T a 20Mbps+ link to customers, enough to offer high-speed Internet, VoIP, and the company's IPTV service. The problem is getting towns to grant public right of ways for these massive 52B boxes, which hold DSLAMS, batteries, and cooling gear in rugged, weatherproof cases. Many towns objected or wanted AT&T to sign video franchise agreements. Lawsuits were filed, including cable companies that want to classify U-verse service as a "cable service" to force AT&T to abide by the same build-out rules, which has drastically affected U-verse deployment . In addition, the IPTV service uses proprietary set-top boxes from Microsoft, which had their own share of problems - mostly software related. On top of all this, a new IPTV standard (DVB-IPI) is about to be ratified (later this month) by the Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB) standards body. This standard takes a very different technical approach than the strategy embodied in the Microsoft solution that AT&T has implemented, and addresses many of the inherent challenges with IPTV, including quality of service, scalability and fast channel change times. Which reminds me, I really hate the slow channel changing times on satellite TV. I wish the set-top boxes would buffer the next channel UP and the next channel DOWN, so at least changing up or down one channel is fast. In any event, The DVB-IPI standard is based largely on a hybrid of well-established forward error correction (FEC) technology from Digital Fountain called DF Raptor and a public domain technology known as Pro-MPEG COP3. These technologies are currently being evaluated by most IPTV providers in the U.S. and elsewhere. Several new deployments using this technology are expected to be announced later this year. According to Rose Anne Raphael, a representative of Digital Fountain, "Whatever the actual problems in the AT&T/MS deployments (since we're not part of these deployments, we have no firsthand knowledge), the strategy employed is one that inherently poses scalability problems and bucks certain foundation assumptions on which IP networks and broadcast architectures are based." Could this new standard make AT&T's and Microsoft's gamble on their own proprietary technology be the nail in the coffin for U-verse? Certainly, a standards-based approach will eventually result in lower costs to deploy due to economies of scale when multiple vendors all use the same technology. This could give AT&T/Microsoft's competitors a cost advantage. Who would have thought that mega-titans AT&T and Microsoft would bet on the wrong horse using proprietary technology? Wait a minute, AT&T and Microsoft are the KINGS of proprietary technology, so I shouldn't be surprised. The difference is that 20 years ago you could get away with it - now with open-source and standards along with a global economy, a standards-based approach is the only way to go. Update (I had some other thoughts and feedback from users) One person emailed me and wrote: Read with great interest your comments about the possible doom of U-verse. Taking those concerns into account, would you recommend it to a consumer like me who is considering switching from Comcast to U-verse if and when it becomes available on the west side of Indianapolis? The cost and channel availability seem to have cable beat by a mile, but your technological concerns may trump other advantages. I'd appreciate your assessment on whether consumers should proceed to "sign up" for this new service. I responded: Put to you this way. If I could get U-verse in my area, I'd do it. Yes, I knocked AT&T for not meeting their target goals, as did many media outlets. While I think AT&T & Microsoft were perhaps 1-2 years too early with their proprietary technology, it is still a good solution.I'm just not a fan of proprietary solutions. AT&T and Microsoft have had a bumpy road, but I think AT&T & Microsoft have worked out most of the kinks. Also, I am the least fan of
[scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good?
Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand . Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield ( McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah ( The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" an epic television event.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute
I agree. I may be alone in this, but I was never fully enamored of the Spider-Man movies. I do like the way the second film had some humor. I agree with you: the third flick was a classic example of them missing the proper balance. - Original Message - From: "B Smith" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:49:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute That's the one and the What If was great too. After the success of The Dark Knight Sony wanted to go darker and more adult. I think they are missing the point. Spider-Man was dark at times but there was also joy and the snark has been missing. They need to strike a balance. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Is "Last Hunt" the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then > donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as > Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him > in his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you > know darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly > want to direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell. > Speaking of "Last Hunt", if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever > read the "What If?" version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by > Kraven, starts the standard "Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start > gloating". Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then > goes on to start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but > he's really really snapped. In order to "capture the soul of the Spider", > Kraven periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I > believe Kraven is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows > Peter's identity to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people > know what a hero he really was. > one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever > read. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian > Dispute > > > > > > > That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: daikaij...@... > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian > Dispute > > > > > I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. > It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible > film. If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that. > > I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and > build on it. > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: > > > > > > Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for > > it. > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: HelloMahogany@ > > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian > > Dispute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging > > type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home > > in time for dinner with Aunt B. > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith wrote: > > > > Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. > > > > > > > > I'm getting a b
[scifinoir2] OT: Russian ice dance tribute offensive to Aborigines
When oh when will people learn! Don't mess with cultures so far from your understanding like this. check the pics: they look stupid, like kids wearing costumes in a school play! I like the one quote saying the elders in the bush would probably laugh themselves silly at the pair. *** [Yahoo sports] Russian ice dance tribute to Aborigines offensive to Aborigines By Maggie Hendricks Oksana Domnina and Maxim Shabalin, the favorites for ice-dancing gold in Vancouver, wowed the crowds with their routine at the European Championships. They sit in the lead after their original dance, a tribute to Australian Aborigines. Except, Aboriginal leaders don't see it as a tribute. They don't really see how it has anything to do with their culture at all . "They have got the whole thing wrong," said Stephen Page, artistic director of the respected indigenous group, the Bangarra Dance Company. Page said there were no traditional movements in the routine, the music sounded more like it came from India or Africa than Aboriginal Australia and the body paint looked like "a three-year-old child had drawn it on"... "Probably the elders in the bush would be laughing because they would be saying, 'Look how stupid these fellas are,' " he said. Domnina and Shabalin are required to do an original dance that is representative of a country's culture. The U.S. pair of Tanith Belbin and Ben Agosto, who won silver in Torino, perform a Moldavian folk dance. Americans Meryl Davis and Charlie Davis won the Grand Prix Final with an Indian-inspired dance. The dances are not required to be strict interpretations of the culture -- they are meant to represent those cultures -- but Domnina and Shabalin completely miss the mark. At this point, it's likely too late for the pair to change their routine. Hopefully, an Australian will be on the panel who judges their original dance, and marks their unauthentic and offensive dances and costumes accordingly.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute
Is "Last Hunt" the one where Kraven sedated Spidey and buried him alive, then donned his costume and went around town brutally putting down crime as Spider-Man? The one where he finally revived Spider-Man--having bettered him in his mind--then killed himself? If so, yeah, that stuff is awesome, but you know darn well they wouldn't use it for a movie franchise that they clearly want to direct at the kiddies. Too scary--unless they defang it to hell. Speaking of "Last Hunt", if it's the one I'm thinking about, did you ever read the "What If?" version of it? In it, Spidey, when first captured by Kraven, starts the standard "Okay, Kraven you got me. Now you can start gloating". Instead, to Spidey's horror, Kraven shots and kills him. He then goes on to start beating the hell out of criminals dressed as Spidey, but he's really really snapped. In order to "capture the soul of the Spider", Kraven periodically goes back and eats off Peter's body! At the end, I believe Kraven is killed--or kills himself--and Mary Jane, devastated allows Peter's identity to be known to the world, then sets about making sure people know what a hero he really was. one of the creepiest and most disturbing alternate reality tales I've ever read. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute That, I'd buy. Last Hunt still puts chills in my spine. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:57:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian Dispute I still say that the Lizard and Kraven the Hunter should be the villains. It's a home run and could set up the epic Kraven's Last Hunt as possible film. If you want to dark and gritty it doesn't get much better than that. I hope they don't do a retelling of the origin. Hit the ground running and build on it. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: > > > Which is something the kids would never go for. Heck, *I* wouldn't go for it. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@... > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:05:10 -0800 > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian > Dispute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they are going with a more wall crawling less cross town web slinging > type spidey? The guy that stops muggers and bank robbers just to get home in > time for dinner with Aunt B. > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:33 AM, B Smith wrote: > > Malkovich was going to be the Vulture but that's all scrapped now. > > > > I'm getting a bad feeling about the new direction this movie is taking. They > want a younger Spider-Man and the focus to be more on the "gritty" side of > teenage life. They hired Marc Webb, the director of (500) Days of Summer, and > have cut the budget to $80,000,000. > > > > > Why not give someone like Neil Blomkamp or another genre director with some > chops a shot? Webb is a capable director but we've seen how putting a > director of more intimate movies into the big budget action chair can have > mixed results. > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Mr. Worf" wrote: > > > > > > Who would he be? The Condor? > > > > > > I think that Malkovich is in that special category of Hollywood weirdos. > > > Such as Shatner, Walken, Depp, Hopkins, and others. Good actors in the > > right > > > part. Weird in other parts. Val Kilmer is starting to be like that now too. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Okay, I'll ask... > > > > > > > > WHY does the movie need Malkovich as a villain? Personally, I've never > > > been > > > > enamored of his work in the least. > > > > > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > > > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; ggszig@; cinque3000@ > > > > From: tdlists@ > > > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:35:22 -0800 > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Spider-Man 4 definitely in trouble - Villian > > > Dispute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[scifinoir2] "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good?
Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand . Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield ( McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah ( The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" an epic television event.
Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
Absolutely true. As Tracey said, they may honestly believe that's an accurate depiction of Nigerians in South Africa. I just fear it sticks and becames the de facto portrayal of them in the movies.- Original Message -From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:14:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I think that Hollywood likes using stereotypes because they are easy to use. (there's a name for those kind of characters) An example is the "veteran cop" character. Every show uses a cop has one. Sort of a pre-packaged idea of a character without any development needed.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote:
Tracey,I get your point. Indeed, i have many discussions with my wife about movies and their depictions of reality. She doesn't like when they're too depressing or gritty. She loved "Precious", for example, but found the glut of negatives heaped on the main character overwhelming. Her preference is romantic comedies, movies where the hero wins, etc. I argue all the time that the truth is sometimes ugly, but it must be told. As a writer, that's what I try to do. So maybe it's true that Nigerians in that part of South Africa, in a slum like that, would be all "bad".
But as a writer I'm also a big believer in viewing a topic from all sides. For example, I strongly supported "Boyz in Da Hood" and "Menace 2 Society" as purveyors of a sad but necessary truth, but I then wanted more movies to show those blacks who weren't criminals or giving in to the negatives of inner city life. If the Nigerians here are shown as all bad, is there an impetus for those who put forth that portrayal to later give us another, more positive view of them, if not in this flick, then in the next? Else, we may end up with portrayal after portrayal like this.
I know that people tend to stereotype or focus sometimes only on the bad. I can acknowledge that many Nigerians are engaging in behaviour that's criminal, but I'm troubled when the response is "Everyone thinks that about them", or "That's just the way it is". I think of how many movies I've seen portraying Arabs as murderous fanatics, Roma ("gypsies") as carousing, ne'er-do-well thieves, black and Latinoes as welfare products and criminals, etc. I just worry that people who say that's just the way it is have no desire in seeing another side.
Guess it's just the old liberal in me used to fighting overwhelming negative stereotypes that bristles at this. :)- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com>
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:04:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
But the question is, are regular everyday Nigerians in South
Africa, or did just the mob element make the move. I know so little about
South Africa, this movie and one I saw with Ving Rhames left me with more
questions than answers about Nigerians in Africa. My personal experience is
with Nigerian more like the crotch bomber. Daddy is rich and powerful and he
sends the kids to school in Europe and The US and then sets them up in business
if they cannot make it on their own. I realize that is a distorted picture as
well.
So the question is, are the majority of Nigerians in South
Africa a part of their mob gang? If so, than in my view it might not be a
stereotype
From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:50 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I
agree, I've heard the same from Africans I know. Still, I rankle at treatments
of any group where only the negatives are shown. I get it, but it's the same
dangerous precedent for American movies where Blacks and Latinoes have been
portrayed as always poor, gangbangers, or thieves.
- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com>
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:09:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I’ve met some people from South Africa
who tell me that when Apartheid ended, Nigerian mob types moved in to exploit
the situation and now basically rule the underworld there and in other places
in Africa. I have seen them portray in a similar way in other South
African films. The
Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father
Naw, Slater looks okay! Though i am concerned the guy keeps taking TV roles that get canceled. At least, I'm pretty sure his second series will be canceled soon... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:15:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father Maybe its the other way around? :) On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: I haven't seen "The Wrestler". Rourke--whom I like--reminds me of some kind of older, brokedown, dissipated version of Christian Slater. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:10:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father Think of his performance in the wrestler with swords. At least I'm sure that's what his agent said during the pitch. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: WTF? I'm trying to see that trademark disheveled Rourke, the way he slouches, the nearly slurred, bored speech, playing a Cimmerian? Maybe they can dress him up in enough garb to make it work - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:00:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Mickey-Rourke-Rumored-To-Play-Conan-The-Barbarian-s-Father-16672.html Marcus Nispel's remake of Conan the Barbarian is currently scheduled to begin filming in mid-March, but they seem to be missing a few people - more specifically, the entire cast. Word was just sent down the wire that Jason Momoa will be playing the legendary Cimmerian, but unless the film is a one man show ( it's not ) then they are going to have to find a bunch of people very quickly. It appears that they may be doing just that. Latino Review has just begun a rumor by claiming that Mickey Rourke has been offered the role of Corin, the leader of the Cimmerians and Conan's father. Be sure to note the words "rumor" and "offered" in the last sentence. In the film, Corin teaches his son, who is born a savage killer, to control his ferocious instincts. Because when I think of Mickey Rourke, I think of a man in control. It'll be surprising if the rumor is true, since the role seems small for an actor nominated for Best Actor only two years ago, and now playing the main villain in one of this year's biggest blockbusters. Had Rourke instead been rumored for Khalar Singh, the man who kills Corin in the film, it might be slightly more believable. For now, hold out for more information. O t’s official. Momoa is the new Conan! Last week Michael Fleming on Deadline Hollywood reported that Jason Momoa and Kellan Lutz along with a third more well known name were contenders to topline CONAN for Lionsgate. Who was the 3 rd well known name which Michael Fleming didn’t mention? It was Supernatural’s JARED PADALECKI. Padalecki worked with Marcus Nispel recently on the Friday the 13 th reboot. Prior to Padalecki auditioning, Momoa, Lutz, and another unknown actor named John Brotherton went through a series of rigorous screen tests. >From those original three, it was Momoa who emerged early on as Marcus >Nispel’s top choice with Kellan Lutz a distant second. http://www.latinoreview.com/news/conan-has-been-cast-exclusive-extra-conan-s-father-could-be-a-wrestler-9032 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected "to be pretty good" despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. "I don't think weather is going to impede too many people" from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. "I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather." Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the "liberal lion" of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said. Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the "disturbing incidents" raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team. "Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign," Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement. Obama has been both "surprised and frustrated" by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say has been hampered by complacency and missteps. Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points. "If you were fired up in the last election, I need you more fired up in this election," Obama urged a crowd at a Coakley campaign rally on Sunday. Vicki Kennedy, the senator's widow,
Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father
I haven't seen "The Wrestler". Rourke--whom I like--reminds me of some kind of older, brokedown, dissipated version of Christian Slater. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:10:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father Think of his performance in the wrestler with swords. At least I'm sure that's what his agent said during the pitch. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: WTF? I'm trying to see that trademark disheveled Rourke, the way he slouches, the nearly slurred, bored speech, playing a Cimmerian? Maybe they can dress him up in enough garb to make it work - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:00:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Mickey-Rourke-Rumored-To-Play-Conan-The-Barbarian-s-Father-16672.html Marcus Nispel's remake of Conan the Barbarian is currently scheduled to begin filming in mid-March, but they seem to be missing a few people - more specifically, the entire cast. Word was just sent down the wire that Jason Momoa will be playing the legendary Cimmerian, but unless the film is a one man show ( it's not ) then they are going to have to find a bunch of people very quickly. It appears that they may be doing just that. Latino Review has just begun a rumor by claiming that Mickey Rourke has been offered the role of Corin, the leader of the Cimmerians and Conan's father. Be sure to note the words "rumor" and "offered" in the last sentence. In the film, Corin teaches his son, who is born a savage killer, to control his ferocious instincts. Because when I think of Mickey Rourke, I think of a man in control. It'll be surprising if the rumor is true, since the role seems small for an actor nominated for Best Actor only two years ago, and now playing the main villain in one of this year's biggest blockbusters. Had Rourke instead been rumored for Khalar Singh, the man who kills Corin in the film, it might be slightly more believable. For now, hold out for more information. O t’s official. Momoa is the new Conan! Last week Michael Fleming on Deadline Hollywood reported that Jason Momoa and Kellan Lutz along with a third more well known name were contenders to topline CONAN for Lionsgate. Who was the 3 rd well known name which Michael Fleming didn’t mention? It was Supernatural’s JARED PADALECKI. Padalecki worked with Marcus Nispel recently on the Friday the 13 th reboot. Prior to Padalecki auditioning, Momoa, Lutz, and another unknown actor named John Brotherton went through a series of rigorous screen tests. >From those original three, it was Momoa who emerged early on as Marcus >Nispel’s top choice with Kellan Lutz a distant second. http://www.latinoreview.com/news/conan-has-been-cast-exclusive-extra-conan-s-father-could-be-a-wrestler-9032 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
Tracey,I get your point. Indeed, i have many discussions with my wife about movies and their depictions of reality. She doesn't like when they're too depressing or gritty. She loved "Precious", for example, but found the glut of negatives heaped on the main character overwhelming. Her preference is romantic comedies, movies where the hero wins, etc. I argue all the time that the truth is sometimes ugly, but it must be told. As a writer, that's what I try to do. So maybe it's true that Nigerians in that part of South Africa, in a slum like that, would be all "bad".But as a writer I'm also a big believer in viewing a topic from all sides. For example, I strongly supported "Boyz in Da Hood" and "Menace 2 Society" as purveyors of a sad but necessary truth, but I then wanted more movies to show those blacks who weren't criminals or giving in to the negatives of inner city life. If the Nigerians here are shown as all bad, is there an impetus for those who put forth that portrayal to later give us another, more positive view of them, if not in this flick, then in the next? Else, we may end up with portrayal after portrayal like this.I know that people tend to stereotype or focus sometimes only on the bad. I can acknowledge that many Nigerians are engaging in behaviour that's criminal, but I'm troubled when the response is "Everyone thinks that about them", or "That's just the way it is". I think of how many movies I've seen portraying Arabs as murderous fanatics, Roma ("gypsies") as carousing, ne'er-do-well thieves, black and Latinoes as welfare products and criminals, etc. I just worry that people who say that's just the way it is have no desire in seeing another side.Guess it's just the old liberal in me used to fighting overwhelming negative stereotypes that bristles at this. :)- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:04:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
But the question is, are regular everyday Nigerians in South
Africa, or did just the mob element make the move. I know so little about
South Africa, this movie and one I saw with Ving Rhames left me with more
questions than answers about Nigerians in Africa. My personal experience is
with Nigerian more like the crotch bomber. Daddy is rich and powerful and he
sends the kids to school in Europe and The US and then sets them up in business
if they cannot make it on their own. I realize that is a distorted picture as
well.
So the question is, are the majority of Nigerians in South
Africa a part of their mob gang? If so, than in my view it might not be a
stereotype
From:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:50 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I
agree, I've heard the same from Africans I know. Still, I rankle at treatments
of any group where only the negatives are shown. I get it, but it's the same
dangerous precedent for American movies where Blacks and Latinoes have been
portrayed as always poor, gangbangers, or thieves.
- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:09:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I’ve met some people from South Africa
who tell me that when Apartheid ended, Nigerian mob types moved in to exploit
the situation and now basically rule the underworld there and in other places
in Africa. I have seen them portray in a similar way in other South
African films. There were also portray as having superstitions in those other
movies. You might note, that they portrayed Black South Africans similar
to the way they portrayed White South Africans. The Black South Africans
I have met seem to resent them. I would imagine that many White South
Africans do to. Since was originally filmed for the South African Market,
it seems to me that it is not odd that most South Africans would assume that
the Nigerian mob in South Africa would exploit the alien situation. So
why I do not think I would be pleased if I were in charge of the Nigerian
Tourism Bureau, I do not see this as racism per se, but maybe a common
stereotype about a group, Similar to how Italians were portrayed here in the
twentieth century.
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:37 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2]
Re: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father
WTF? I'm trying to see that trademark disheveled Rourke, the way he slouches, the nearly slurred, bored speech, playing a Cimmerian? Maybe they can dress him up in enough garb to make it work - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:00:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Mickey Rourke Rumored To Play Conan The Barbarian's Father http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Mickey-Rourke-Rumored-To-Play-Conan-The-Barbarian-s-Father-16672.html Marcus Nispel's remake of Conan the Barbarian is currently scheduled to begin filming in mid-March, but they seem to be missing a few people - more specifically, the entire cast. Word was just sent down the wire that Jason Momoa will be playing the legendary Cimmerian, but unless the film is a one man show ( it's not ) then they are going to have to find a bunch of people very quickly. It appears that they may be doing just that. Latino Review has just begun a rumor by claiming that Mickey Rourke has been offered the role of Corin, the leader of the Cimmerians and Conan's father. Be sure to note the words "rumor" and "offered" in the last sentence. In the film, Corin teaches his son, who is born a savage killer, to control his ferocious instincts. Because when I think of Mickey Rourke, I think of a man in control. It'll be surprising if the rumor is true, since the role seems small for an actor nominated for Best Actor only two years ago, and now playing the main villain in one of this year's biggest blockbusters. Had Rourke instead been rumored for Khalar Singh, the man who kills Corin in the film, it might be slightly more believable. For now, hold out for more information. O t’s official. Momoa is the new Conan! Last week Michael Fleming on Deadline Hollywood reported that Jason Momoa and Kellan Lutz along with a third more well known name were contenders to topline CONAN for Lionsgate. Who was the 3 rd well known name which Michael Fleming didn’t mention? It was Supernatural’s JARED PADALECKI. Padalecki worked with Marcus Nispel recently on the Friday the 13 th reboot. Prior to Padalecki auditioning, Momoa, Lutz, and another unknown actor named John Brotherton went through a series of rigorous screen tests. >From those original three, it was Momoa who emerged early on as Marcus >Nispel’s top choice with Kellan Lutz a distant second. http://www.latinoreview.com/news/conan-has-been-cast-exclusive-extra-conan-s-father-could-be-a-wrestler-9032
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes
what happened to Tim Sale? What about creator Tim Kring? Is he not helping? - Original Message - From: "B Smith" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:17:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes You're thinking of Jeph Loeb and he was part of the problem. Without Tim Sale as a co-creater he leaves a lot to be desired. Jeph Loeb back at Marvel turning everything he touches into crap. Bryan Fuller from Pushing Daisies, Dead Like Me, etc. came onboard for a while but the damage was already done and he left too. The lesbian crush was part of Claire's adventures at college. Her roomate was in love with her. And I'm not even going to attempt to explain the whole Carnival nonsense. They are a group of Carnies with abilities and they are lead by a psycho who thinks Sylar or maybe Peter is going to be their salvation. Or something. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > What was the lesbian hoopla? Why are they at a carnival? > Finally, is the original writing team gone? Didn't they fire a couple of the > early writers who were also comic book writers? Is that part of the problem? > > - Original Message - > From: "B Smith" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:33:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes > > > > > > > Everything is wrong with the show right now. I finally gave up this season. > Too much Sylar, Claire, Hiro and the Carnies are...Carnies. No one wants > that. > > They are ripping off Carnivale and every bad comic book cliche you can name > and doing it badly. And lets not forget the lesbian hooplah that was the most > boring thing on tv. > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > I haven't watched "Heroes" at all this season. What is killing the show? Is > > the original creator and writing team gone? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:00:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will it take for NBC to finally decide that the time for "Heroes" has > > come and gone? > > > > This week's ratings might be it. After two weeks of matching a series low, > > "Heroes" found a way to do even worse as it languishes in its new timeslot, > > and remains unable to keep audiences tuning in for "Chuck." > > > > "Heroes" earned a a 2.4 rating/4 share, according to Fast National ratings > > from The Nielsen Co. That was more than 17 percent off its premiere in the > > 9 p.m. slot, itself a now previous all-time low for the series. It also > > becomes NBC's lowest-rated program of the season overall, beating out the > > previous low set by " The Jay Leno Show > > http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif " on Nov. 9 that picked > > up a 2.6/5. > > > > "Heroes" didn't even come close to challenging its competition, which > > included the high-rated comedy block of "Two and a Half Men" and "Big Bang > > Theory" on CBS, "24" on Fox and "The Bachelor" on ABC. It only beat the > > series premiere of " Life Unexpected > > http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif " on The CW, but did it > > only by 41 percent. We say "only" because the other show closest to > > "Heroes" in the timeslot, "The Bachelor," beat "Life Unexpected" by 312 > > percent. > > > > "Chuck" came down a little bit from its triad premiere last week. It > > clocked in a 3.9/6, down a little more than 9 percent from its previous > > week. That's mostly on par with how the show did last season when it earned > > a 4.0/6 in average overnights. > > > > That means "Heroes" lost more than 38 percent of its lead-in audience from > > "Chuck." That's also the same percentage "Heroes" is now off of its already > > low-rated premiere, and is now more than 22 percent off its season average. > > This is the second week "Heroes" is at 9 p.m., averaging a 2.7/4 in the
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes
What was the lesbian hoopla? Why are they at a carnival? Finally, is the original writing team gone? Didn't they fire a couple of the early writers who were also comic book writers? Is that part of the problem? - Original Message - From: "B Smith" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:33:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes Everything is wrong with the show right now. I finally gave up this season. Too much Sylar, Claire, Hiro and the Carnies are...Carnies. No one wants that. They are ripping off Carnivale and every bad comic book cliche you can name and doing it badly. And lets not forget the lesbian hooplah that was the most boring thing on tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > I haven't watched "Heroes" at all this season. What is killing the show? Is > the original creator and writing team gone? > > - Original Message - > From: "Tracey de Morsella" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:00:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes > > > > > > > > > > What will it take for NBC to finally decide that the time for "Heroes" has > come and gone? > > This week's ratings might be it. After two weeks of matching a series low, > "Heroes" found a way to do even worse as it languishes in its new timeslot, > and remains unable to keep audiences tuning in for "Chuck." > > "Heroes" earned a a 2.4 rating/4 share, according to Fast National ratings > from The Nielsen Co. That was more than 17 percent off its premiere in the 9 > p.m. slot, itself a now previous all-time low for the series. It also becomes > NBC's lowest-rated program of the season overall, beating out the previous > low set by " The Jay Leno Show > http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif " on Nov. 9 that picked > up a 2.6/5. > > "Heroes" didn't even come close to challenging its competition, which > included the high-rated comedy block of "Two and a Half Men" and "Big Bang > Theory" on CBS, "24" on Fox and "The Bachelor" on ABC. It only beat the > series premiere of " Life Unexpected > http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif " on The CW, but did it > only by 41 percent. We say "only" because the other show closest to "Heroes" > in the timeslot, "The Bachelor," beat "Life Unexpected" by 312 percent. > > "Chuck" came down a little bit from its triad premiere last week. It clocked > in a 3.9/6, down a little more than 9 percent from its previous week. That's > mostly on par with how the show did last season when it earned a 4.0/6 in > average overnights. > > That means "Heroes" lost more than 38 percent of its lead-in audience from > "Chuck." That's also the same percentage "Heroes" is now off of its already > low-rated premiere, and is now more than 22 percent off its season average. > This is the second week "Heroes" is at 9 p.m., averaging a 2.7/4 in the > timeslot, 23 percent off its 8 p.m. average of 3.5/5. > > Fast Nationals usually provide a snapshot of what Americans are watching by > pulling numbers from the top urban markets that includes both live viewing > and same-day timeshifted viewing. A rating point generally represents more > than 1.1 million households while the share indicates the percentage of > televisions turned on that was tuned to the specific program. These numbers > typically shift when final ratings are issued. > > Data collected from The Nielsen Co., as distributed by Zap2it. BlipNetwork > tracks non-news, non-event programming, and figures for this story reflect > airing of new episodes only. For more information on the Audience Loyalty > Index, click here . > > http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7058 >
Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
I agree, I've heard the same from Africans I know. Still, I rankle at treatments of any group where only the negatives are shown. I get it, but it's the same dangerous precedent for American movies where Blacks and Latinoes have been portrayed as always poor, gangbangers, or thieves. - Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:09:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: RE: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' I’ve met some people from South Africa who tell me that when Apartheid ended, Nigerian mob types moved in to exploit the situation and now basically rule the underworld there and in other places in Africa. I have seen them portray in a similar way in other South African films. There were also portray as having superstitions in those other movies. You might note, that they portrayed Black South Africans similar to the way they portrayed White South Africans. The Black South Africans I have met seem to resent them. I would imagine that many White South Africans do to. Since was originally filmed for the South African Market, it seems to me that it is not odd that most South Africans would assume that the Nigerian mob in South Africa would exploit the alien situation. So why I do not think I would be pleased if I were in charge of the Nigerian Tourism Bureau, I do not see this as racism per se, but maybe a common stereotype about a group, Similar to how Italians were portrayed here in the twentieth century. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:37 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' Good points he makes. I haven't seen "Avatar" yet, but loved "District 9", with the one notable exception of how the Nigerians were portrayed. I just wish the article hadn't started with the relative costs and profits of each film. The point that more money doesn't a better film make is certainly true. Indeed, crap like Transformers prove that. But I wouldn't use just costs or profit margins to rate a film's worthiness for an award. What do you think Tracey, having seen both films? Which is a better film in terms of overall quality? - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "glenn" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:37:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' In a deeply divisive race, an argument as to why Neill Blomkamp deserves the Oscar for Best Picture more than James Cameron (part 1) http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7054 Posing this very controversial argument, I want to share why “District 9” is more Oscar-worthy than the mega-hit “Avatar.” Surely, the virtually unknown sci-fi film that was one of the few films to cross over the $200 million mark this past summer deserves a little attention – and as the Producers Guild’s nomination for Best Picture has proven, it is a worthy contender to watch out for during this award season. Cost v. Profits Looking first at the numbers, money talks. “District 9” cost only $30 million to make and then went on to make more than $204 million in the worldwide box office ($115 domestically). That is a return of six times what it cost to make. Any way you look at it that is a phenomenal return on a mere $30 million investment; and with a prestigious PGA nomination and further DVD sales racking up, this profit margin will only continue to rise. As for “Avatar,” it cost $237 million to make, plus another $150 million for marketing, and has grossed more than $1.6 billion world-wide to date. That is not a bad return either. But it is only a profit margin of four times its cost. However, given that “Avatar’s” resulting profit margin is more than $1 billion, it is not a number to discount. I cannot imagine that the investors for “Avatar” are displeased with such a modest return. So in the money game, both films are providing huge monetary profits for their investors, with “Avatar” edging out “District 9” due to its boffo box office sales. But it can never be said that “District 9” did not do well, as it is one of a handful of films to ever cross the $200 million mark. Realism v. Fantasy Looking next at which film was more realistic, “District 9” is hands-down the winner in that category. Taking a page right out of last year’s Oscar winner’s playbook, “District 9” was filmed in the actual slums of Chiawelo, Soweto in South Africa. Not only did they film amongst the filth and degradation of the slums, it was filmed simultaneous to the att
Re: [scifinoir2] Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes
I haven't watched "Heroes" at all this season. What is killing the show? Is the original creator and writing team gone?- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:00:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Heroes' Falls To Big-Time Low, 'Chuck' Normalizes What will it take for NBC to finally decide that the time for "Heroes" has come and gone? This week's ratings might be it. After two weeks of matching a series low, "Heroes" found a way to do even worse as it languishes in its new timeslot, and remains unable to keep audiences tuning in for "Chuck." "Heroes" earned a a 2.4 rating/4 share, according to Fast National ratings from The Nielsen Co. That was more than 17 percent off its premiere in the 9 p.m. slot, itself a now previous all-time low for the series. It also becomes NBC's lowest-rated program of the season overall, beating out the previous low set by "The Jay Leno Show" on Nov. 9 that picked up a 2.6/5. "Heroes" didn't even come close to challenging its competition, which included the high-rated comedy block of "Two and a Half Men" and "Big Bang Theory" on CBS, "24" on Fox and "The Bachelor" on ABC. It only beat the series premiere of "Life Unexpected" on The CW, but did it only by 41 percent. We say "only" because the other show closest to "Heroes" in the timeslot, "The Bachelor," beat "Life Unexpected" by 312 percent. "Chuck" came down a little bit from its triad premiere last week. It clocked in a 3.9/6, down a little more than 9 percent from its previous week. That's mostly on par with how the show did last season when it earned a 4.0/6 in average overnights. That means "Heroes" lost more than 38 percent of its lead-in audience from "Chuck." That's also the same percentage "Heroes" is now off of its already low-rated premiere, and is now more than 22 percent off its season average. This is the second week "Heroes" is at 9 p.m., averaging a 2.7/4 in the timeslot, 23 percent off its 8 p.m. average of 3.5/5. Fast Nationals usually provide a snapshot of what Americans are watching by pulling numbers from the top urban markets that includes both live viewing and same-day timeshifted viewing. A rating point generally represents more than 1.1 million households while the share indicates the percentage of televisions turned on that was tuned to the specific program. These numbers typically shift when final ratings are issued. Data collected from The Nielsen Co., as distributed by Zap2it. BlipNetwork tracks non-news, non-event programming, and figures for this story reflect airing of new episodes only. For more information on the Audience Loyalty Index, click here. http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7058
[scifinoir2] Re: air america
sks for their old job back by firing the successor. He's a leno giver http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://theworldebon.blogspot.com From: Tracey de Morsella < tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: " Lockhart, Daryle " < dar...@darylelockhart.com >; afrikanm...@hotmail.com ; Albert Fields < cbilmarket...@yahoo.com >; bettil...@msn.com ; CINQUE < cinque3...@verizon.net >; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net ; duva...@hotmail.com ; fis...@bellsouth.net ; GTW < gwashin...@aol.com >; Jeffrey Ballou < jeffreypbal...@gmail.com >; Kai Pettaway < killa...@gmail.com >; kalpub...@aol.com ; keithbjohn...@comcast.net ; Kera < imke...@gmail.com >; Leroy Hughes < seriousnup...@yahoo.com >; Logic < logic1...@aol.com >; Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@icqmail.com >; Marvalous < mmb1...@gmail.com >; Michael Gordon < gord...@indiana.edu >; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com ; ravenadal < ravena...@yahoo.com >; rs...@yahoo.com ; Seku Brathwaite < everything...@nyc.rr.com >; Valery Jean < valeryjea...@yahoo.com >; Wendell Theophilus Smith < wendellsmit...@gmail.com >; Whitney J Evans < sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net >; williamsf...@speakeasy.net ; Zanfordino Anthony < beta...@yahoo.com > Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:10:14 PM Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting perspective. 1. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do. 2. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the same show, an hour before his old show 3. Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show. Most people watch the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching. If people turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience away from Conan. 4. The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience Conan would have pulled 5. Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing the same with Coco. I hope the Tonight show tanks. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot". End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. *** http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs.
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
what was the skit? Was it funny at least? - Original Message - From: "George Arterberry" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:04:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Conan lost pointes from me blowing a million and a half on a skit for a car. From: Keith Johnson To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 11:55:31 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of scripted programming for this? Bad move... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net > wrote: Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot". End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. * * * http://www.tv. com/conan- obrien-free- at-last!/ story/20919. html?tag= hotspot;gumball; 1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very relatable Masturbating Bea
Re: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9'
Good points he makes. I haven't seen "Avatar" yet, but loved "District 9", with the one notable exception of how the Nigerians were portrayed. I just wish the article hadn't started with the relative costs and profits of each film. The point that more money doesn't a better film make is certainly true. Indeed, crap like Transformers prove that. But I wouldn't use just costs or profit margins to rate a film's worthiness for an award.What do you think Tracey, having seen both films? Which is a better film in terms of overall quality?- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "glenn" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:37:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' TV Watchtower: 'Avatar' vs. 'District 9' In a deeply divisive race, an argument as to why Neill Blomkamp deserves the Oscar for Best Picture more than James Cameron (part 1) http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7054 Posing this very controversial argument, I want to share why “District 9” is more Oscar-worthy than the mega-hit “Avatar.” Surely, the virtually unknown sci-fi film that was one of the few films to cross over the $200 million mark this past summer deserves a little attention – and as the Producers Guild’s nomination for Best Picture has proven, it is a worthy contender to watch out for during this award season. Cost v. Profits Looking first at the numbers, money talks. “District 9” cost only $30 million to make and then went on to make more than $204 million in the worldwide box office ($115 domestically). That is a return of six times what it cost to make. Any way you look at it that is a phenomenal return on a mere $30 million investment; and with a prestigious PGA nomination and further DVD sales racking up, this profit margin will only continue to rise. As for “Avatar,” it cost $237 million to make, plus another $150 million for marketing, and has grossed more than $1.6 billion world-wide to date. That is not a bad return either. But it is only a profit margin of four times its cost. However, given that “Avatar’s” resulting profit margin is more than $1 billion, it is not a number to discount. I cannot imagine that the investors for “Avatar” are displeased with such a modest return. So in the money game, both films are providing huge monetary profits for their investors, with “Avatar” edging out “District 9” due to its boffo box office sales. But it can never be said that “District 9” did not do well, as it is one of a handful of films to ever cross the $200 million mark. Realism v. Fantasy Looking next at which film was more realistic, “District 9” is hands-down the winner in that category. Taking a page right out of last year’s Oscar winner’s playbook, “District 9” was filmed in the actual slums of Chiawelo, Soweto in South Africa. Not only did they film amongst the filth and degradation of the slums, it was filmed simultaneous to the attempted forced-relocation of the Abahlali baseMjondolo in District 6 in Cape Town, South Africa. Thus, in an effort to make the film as realistic as possible, Neill Blomkamp and Peter Jackson literally filmed what was really occurring in Chiawelo and made a sci-fi film out of it. They just used CGI aliens in the place of real people who were being relocated. Thus, the story was a mirrored-reflection of the actual apartheid atrocities and discrimination that had been practiced in South Africa for more than 45 years. Another element of realism that worked in “District 9’s” favor was its portrayal of the aliens, aka prawns. The prawns looked like giant bugs walking on two legs. They did not speak English or any other human language, so there was a distinct language barrier. They were also gritty, repulsive and overall disgusting. These were not the humanoid creatures used to depict aliens in classic and modern sci-fi films. The prawns looked alien. It was like having a colony of giant insects living amongst us. No one wanted to be around them and it felt more natural to have them kept separate and secluded from the rest of the human race. It was just unfortunate that their spaceship died while hovering right over Johannesburg and they had nowhere else to go. Literally no one on Earth wanted them here. As for “Avatar,” it went the route of traditional sci-fi and opted to create a brand new world where everything was magnificent and glorious to behold. Welcome to Pandora where there are mountains that float in the sky, trees grow as tall as skyscrapers, plants glow rainbow colors in the dark, dragons fly through the vast blue skies, and the humanoid inhabitants are a brilliant turquoise blue that stand nearly 10 feet tall. Everything about this exotic paradise was meant to seduce us into their world and make us fall in love with it. But it is simply too pretty. Too good to be true. It was a fictional world created purely out of CGI in order to
Re: [scifinoir2] Roddenberry, Imagine Entertainment To Revive 'Questor Tapes
I loved the Questor Tapes movie. Saw it when it aired on TV way back when I was a kid. Good stuff.I doubt it could ever have rivaled "Star Trek" in success, but I'd love to see a faithful treatment down to it.- Original Message -From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:23:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada EasternSubject: [scifinoir2] Roddenberry, Imagine Entertainment To Revive 'Questor Tapes - http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7065 More than 35 years after Gene Roddenberry first tried to bring "The Questor Tapes" to television, it may finally happen thanks to his son. Roddenberry Productions, run by Eugene W. Roddenberry Jr., and Imagine Entertainment are working together to bring "The Questor Tapes" back to life. Imagine Entertainment is the company run by Brian Grazer and director Ron Howard. It is expected the "Questor" project will be led by Tim Minear, known for his close working relationship with Joss Whedon in projects like "Angel," "Firefly" and "Dollhouse." Roddenberry and Imagine are still looking to wrap up negotiations with Minear to bring him on board. "My father always felt that 'Questor' was the one that got away," the younger Roddenberry said in a release. "He believed that the show had the potential to be bigger than 'Star Trek.'" The original project was meant to be a television series about an android with incomplete memory tapes who searches for his creator and his purpose. The android was played by Robert Foxworth, and was the brainchild of both Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek producer Gene L. Coon, the latter who died before the project could get underway. Although "Questor" was never picked up as a series, the pilot did air as a television movie, and it's said that Data in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" was an homage to that original project. The younger Roddenberry will develop the project along with his right-hand man Trevor Roth. They will be joined on the Imagine side by president David Nevins and executive vice president of development Robin Gurney. Roddenberry Productions is the current incarnation of the shingle Gene Roddenberry himself originally founded in 1967 that was responsible for shows such as "Earth: Final Conflict," "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda," and comic book series like "Days Missing," which will be released as a graphic novel next month. It's not clear where "Questor" would air as it's too early for details like who would order a pilot and where it might get picked up to be finalized. However, if it doesn't end up on a network, its only other likely home would be cable. The avenues previous posthumous Roddenberry projects like E:FC and "Andromeda" aired -- first-run syndication -- is no longer a true viable option for scripted dramas. Roddenberry told Airlock Alpha that while the two sides are actively working on putting together a new series, there are still no guarantees it will ever make it to television. However, it would be hard to discount a partnership between two well-respected names having the ability to generate some interest and open a few doors.
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
Yeah, and like I said recently, the funny/sad thing is they're helping bring on their own demise, like a negative feedback loop. They lament/fear the death of successful scripted television due to rising costs, shrinking audiences, and cable TV's rise, so they *drop* arguably their most important time slot for scripted television, thus causing shrinking audiences, helping cable TV's rise, and frankly, not saving so much money due to the payout to O'Brien. This will go down as one of the worst decisions in TV programming history. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:35:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! They were already leaning in that direction with all of those SNL specials. I don't think that they have anything in the can to fill the void. Unless they pull out some mini-series or something. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of scripted programming for this? Bad move... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot". End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. *** http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pock
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help but hurt Conan. I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American Idol" or "Dancing with the Stars"??? Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"? - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: " Lockhart, Daryle " , afrikanm...@hotmail.com, "Albert Fields" , bettil...@msn.com, "CINQUE" , dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net, duva...@hotmail.com, fis...@bellsouth.net, "GTW" , "Jeffrey Ballou" , "Kai Pettaway" , kalpub...@aol.com, keithbjohn...@comcast.net, "Kera" , "Leroy Hughes" , "Logic" , "Martin Baxter" , "Marvalous" , "Michael Gordon" , "michael v w gordon" , "ravenadal" , rs...@yahoo.com, "Seku Brathwaite" , "Valery Jean" , "Wendell Theophilus Smith" , "Whitney J Evans" , williamsf...@speakeasy.net, "Zanfordino Anthony" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:10:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an interesting perspective. 1. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do. 2. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to present the same show, an hour before his old show 3. Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show. Most people watch the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching. If people turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the audience away from Conan. 4. The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what audience Conan would have pulled 5. Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is doing the same with Coco. I hope the Tonight show tanks. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot". End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programm
[scifinoir2] "Enterprise" Marathon on SyFy
Another "Enterprise" marathon on SyFy all day today. That's followed by the movie "First Contact", and then by the premiere of "Caprica". I will say about "Enterprise", it's a show that had its moments. Watching the Xindi storyline in big chunks, for example, I can appreciate the dramatic intensity of it better. There are some gems in that storyline: the "Memento" type ep (on now) where Archer's in a future where Earth's destroyed, and T'Pol must retell the story to him every single day...the ep where, desperate to continue the mission, Archer orders his reluctant crew to actually attack and steal supplies from a ship that had recently aided them.. A powerful study of morality vs. need, and rather radical for "Trek"...the various dealings with the Vulcans and Andorians--how cool to see the Andorians having had so significant a part in the early days of Starfleet, how cool to see Vulcan as a sometimes duplicitous, self-serving planet on the brink of rejecting Logic, how cool to see how Earth, as an outsider planet, helped broker deals that lead to the creation of the Federation. There was lots of good stuff that fleshed out and revealed new stories on the history of Starfleet. As the show entered it's last couple of seasons it hit its stride and became what I expected. Of course, one has to wade through the bad first couple of seasons, the juvenile attempts at titillation sprinkled throughout the series, and the B&B obsession with time travel stories, one of which ruined the whole Xindi storyline by ending with that stupid Nazi/alien occupied NYC. But overall, not a bad way to spend a day.
Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
I still think it would have failed, because I just don't see an appetite for a talk show at 10 pm five nights a week. Most people are looking for a drama or comedy. I like Leno okay, but at 10 pm i'm looking for stuff like Southland, Burn Notice, etc. Now if they were to bring back a true variety show--singing, dancing, skits, etc.--that'd be a different story. But sacrifice five hours of scripted programming for this? Bad move... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:44:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Conan was just funny and Leno wasn't a real warmup for him. Maybe if they had swapped the two shows? That would have been an interesting 3rd option. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot". End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. *** http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should belong to Robert Smigel , who does all of the delightfully distasteful dog's improv and masterful puppeteering. The final tally? Conan received the dream job he worked his entire life for for a total of seven months. The big questions now: What will Conan do next? What should Conan do next? And how will audiences respond to the return of Jay Leno? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last!
Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot". End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly chasing off viewers for both shows. NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original programming on broadcast TV as it is. *** http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1 Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! by Tim Surette TV.com Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan O'Brien vs. NBC saga is finally coming to an end, says The Hollywood Reporter , as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. O'Brien's last night behind the desk of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay Leno will return to The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should belong to Robert Smigel , who does all of the delightfully distasteful dog's improv and masterful puppeteering. The final tally? Conan received the dream job he worked his entire life for for a total of seven months. The big questions now: What will Conan do next? What should Conan do next? And how will audiences respond to the return of Jay Leno?
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
She evidently actually made a statement of exasperation where she said something to the effect of "What did you want me to do? Stand outside Fenway in the rain handing out flyers?" John Stewart on the Daily Show responded, "I got this...yeah!!" Not to be too fine a point on her lack of polish and charisma, but did you hear any part of her concession speech? She actually said "There'll be two dogs that are very happy to have us back home!" WTF? She lost a critical, critical seat, and her lame attempt at the silver lining is that her *dogs* will be happy to see her back at the house?? Man, Brown didn't win this seat--it was given to him. The only hope I can have is that he's a moderate, not another raving ultra-conservative nutcase. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:25:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts Thee word is that she did the one thing Ted Kennedy, Deity rest him well, would NEVER have done. She took the voters for granted. Kennedy would've been out there, listening to the people and shaking hands, even if her were 50 points ahead in the polls. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:03:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts They said on the news that Coakley ran a sloppy campaign. In a state that was mostly democrats how could the democrat candidate lose? Obviously she was asleep at the wheel... On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected "to be pretty good" despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. "I don't think weather is going to impede too many people" from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. "I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather." Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the "liberal lion" of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two rep
[scifinoir2] "Burn Notice" on USA
There was an all-day "Burn Notice" marathon on today. It's capped off by a brand new ep at 10 pm EST tonight. That's followed by the new series "White Collar", which isn't too bad.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
And the other thing is, in America recently, third parties that gain any notoriety seem to be more conservative leaning. It's like the so-called independents: so many of them are really closet Republicans to my mind. Of course we have the likes of those who support Jerry Brown, but the liberal-leaning groups seem to be seen as fringe nut groups. It seems that it's usually the ones that are all about some kind mythical perfect America--one that's not all that diverse--that get the traction. I really believe a multi-party system would be better. Do you know, i heard recently about the five-person panel that runs the FCC, and its bylaws state its makeup in terms of Dems and Republicans? What the hey? That's crazy, as if two parties are natural and necessary. I'd like to see a Congress that's more put together like a European parliament. But as say, Martin, Americans are set in their ways, not too imaginative, and way too comfortable putting every single issue in terms of literal left and right, black and white. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:54:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I'd love to have one as well, but, as I said before, we're about thirty years away from such. The reason so many of us chortle derisively at the mere mention of a third political party is because, for all the literature they may hand out displaying their platforms, instinctively, one can't help but get the feeling that they probably threw the manifesto together one night over pizza and beer. It needs to be established at the ground level. Let them field candidates for various city and state offices, and let the people of America see their ideas take root, and, more importantly, see if they can actually work. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:05:50 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I'm a fan of having a true multi-party system, but I agree in this case. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:48:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I don't know, but I really want to strangle them. It was too close of a race to try for a third party. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Nimrods... when will they learn that third-party is a thing at least thirty years in the future? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:07:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote
Re: [scifinoir2] From Sci Fi Wire: The 'true story' of how Dr. King kept Uhura on Star Trek
It's true, I've heard that story bandied about for years. Pretty cool, eh? If you watch her roles in Trek, you can understand her feelings. For example, check out the ep "The Corbomite Maneuver". The one where Kirk encounters the giant spherical spaceship that's commanded by that little manchild alien. The whole show, Kirk is engaged in a battle of wits with the creature he thinks is the commander. over and over he has to call the alien ship to bluster or threaten. He keeps telling Uhura, "Ship-to-ship", to which she replies "Hailing frequencies open, sir". I'm honestly thinking those are the only words she utters the entire ep. If you listen to her carefully, you can tell Nichols is bored to tears, her tone is so dead and lackluster. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:17:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] From Sci Fi Wire: The 'true story' of how Dr. King kept Uhura on Star Trek Got this from the horrorauthors list. Enjoy! :) ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html The 'true story' of how Dr. King kept Uhura on Star Trek If you're a Star Trek fan, you've no doubt heard the story of how Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. persuaded Nichelle Nichols to remain on the original series as Lt. Uhura when she was thinking of leaving after the first season. Well, we've heard it, too, but given that we celebrate Dr. King's legacy this week, it's worth repeating, especially as Savas Abadsidis recently interviewed Nichols for Planet Waves and posts what he's calling the "true story" of how that fateful encounter took place, in her own words. We've pasted Nichols' full comments below. I hope you will get the story right this time, because for some reason, no one has ever gotten this story right,(laughs). I, after the first season, because my heart was still on Broadway and the performing arts part of me, the musical performing arts of me was yearning to leave. I never intended to be an actress other than in the theater. So for me, TV and movies, that was something to help me get from here to there. And so it was a shock for me to be cast in Star Trek. A shock and a joy. I was performing in England at the time of the inception of the show and my agent tracked me down in Paris and told me that they were doing a show called Star Trek, assuming that I'd know what that was. Because I'd been in and out of the country for so long. Now I'd known Gene Roddenberry since he'd given me my first TV starring role in a show that he'd done called the 'The Lieutenant'. And he was one of the first people of that stature that gave me encouragement. He called my agent and said can you find Nichelle, because I need her for a role in this show and wherever she is, get her back here because I want a woman head of a department on the bridge. He changed the role from a man heading communications on the bridge and he wanted a woman of color. He wanted me and I came back and got the role. So the first year went by, and I enjoyed doing the role, to me at that time it was very challenging [laughs] but I played my role to the hilt, being the head of communications and all that and by this time the show had aired and I was starting to get notice and on the side I'm singing at places and people are hearing me and calling and I'm thinking, "Oh this is my big break! I have to leave this little show and go do it! I was thinking Broadway here I come!' And so I went on a Friday evening shortly before the end of the season to let Gene know that I wouldn't be returning to the show, he looked at me like I was crazy, "YOU CAN'T LEAVE," but he realized how serious I was and he knew I was passionate about singing, and he said, "I know what your dream is and so forth but don't you see what I'm trying to do? He said take the weekend and think about my decision and how important this show is and how it was a first and if I leave, well he didn't know what to say, but he said take the weekend and that way I could take the time to really think about what we just said and come back Monday and we would talk about it and if you really want to leave then, you'll go with my blessings, but realize I want you to know that what we are doing here is really historic. The next night was Saturday and I was due to be a celebrity guest on a dais at an NAACP fundraiser at UCLA. One of the organizers came up to me and said that there was someone who wants to meet you; and he says that he's you're best, biggest fan and I'm thinking it's a Trekkie! [laughs] an
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
I'm a fan of having a true multi-party system, but I agree in this case. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:48:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I don't know, but I really want to strangle them. It was too close of a race to try for a third party. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Nimrods... when will they learn that third-party is a thing at least thirty years in the future? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:07:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected "to be pretty good" despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. "I don't think weather is going to impede too many people" from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. "I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather." Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the "liberal lion" of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to com
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
That's the first big laugh I've had on this topic in 24 hours!!! that "jabbering, grinning little thing..." really got to me! - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:37:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts All he needs is that jabbering, grinning little thing that hops around all about him. But Beck has his own show. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:06:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I'm sure that Jabba the hut is already on the radio celebrating. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > wrote: Me and the other 47% will be cringing and wailing in horror. It's already started... ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Thank you for your effort... :( - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected "to be pretty good" despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. "I don't think weather is going to impede too many people" from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. "I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather." Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the "liberal lion" of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Question: Would you modify your kid's genes?
Since they're in control of Tibet, and have their eye on Mongolia all the time, I guess the men will be taking brides from those regions? - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:17:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Question: Would you modify your kid's genes? Chinese social engineering has already created a problem. By restricting families to one child (most families opted for a boy even if that meant killing girl babies) they are now faced with a glut of marriage age men and a serious deficit of marriage age women. I wonder how that is going to work out for them. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: > > > The slippery slope is my problem too, Tracey. I could see the Chinese > engineering more boy births and fewer girl births, and someone might want to > go the way of the Sauron supermen from "The Mote In God's Eye" (think the > Augments from "Enterprise", only meaner and less schemey). > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: tdli...@... > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:22:42 -0800 > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Question: Would you modify your kid's genes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, I have some genetic , incurable crap too. I think I would > want that out to. However, I believe it is likely a slippery slope > > > > > > > > From: > scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of > Martin > Baxter > > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:23 PM > > To: SciFiNoir2 > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Question: Would you modify your kid's genes? > > > > > > > > > > > > In a word, no, not even if it meant ridding them of the genetic combo that > gave > me what I've got. Though an improvement on my genes would be an incalculable > gain for Mankind... > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: hellomahog...@... > > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:17:11 -0800 > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Question: Would you modify your kid's genes? > > > > > > > > > > > > Very soon the option of gene manipulation > may come available. There are already methods that lean in that direction. > Our > near future may turn into a world that is similar to the movie Gattica. > > > > If the option became available do you think that if this option were > available > would you take that step to give your child the best advantages that he or > she > can have? > > > > Another question. Do you think that this kind of gene manipulation weaken the > gene pool? > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: > Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ >
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
Yeah, that racist old bastard will be chortling with glee. Mark my words: it's more than taking Teddy's seat or even possibly harming healthcare. Getting a young white dude who's an athlete is a godsend to those who've been seeking in vain for someone to hold up as their photogenic great hope. Romney's a Ken doll who's as plastic as his looks, and being a Mormon didn't help...Jendal turned out to be a crushing bore...Palin is nuts (but not going away)...Huckabee's older... I can see them in the backrooms right *now* rubbing their hands with glee over a young, white, handsome, *straight* (far as we know), conservative who they can groom to fight Obama. Hell, dude even said yesterday he looked forward to playing Obama in b-ball--I'd *love* to say the Prez throw some elbows on buddy! - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:06:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts I'm sure that Jabba the hut is already on the radio celebrating. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > wrote: Me and the other 47% will be cringing and wailing in horror. It's already started... ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Thank you for your effort... :( - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected "to be pretty good" despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. "I don't think weather is going to impede too many people" from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. "I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather." Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the "liberal lion" of the Senate
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
Thank you for your effort... :( - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:07:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts As a Massachusetts resident, all I can say is that I got into that voting booth and voted Coakley. She wasn't perfect but dammit, everyone who voted third party essentially got Brown into office. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected "to be pretty good" despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. "I don't think weather is going to impede too many people" from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. "I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather." Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the "liberal lion" of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said. Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the "disturbing incidents" raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team. "Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign," Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement. Obama has been both "surprised and frustrated" by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say has been hampered by complacency and mis
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
That, and the public's like a rabid dog, just wanting to bite whomever's near... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:03:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts They said on the news that Coakley ran a sloppy campaign. In a state that was mostly democrats how could the democrat candidate lose? Obviously she was asleep at the wheel... On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected "to be pretty good" despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. "I don't think weather is going to impede too many people" from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. "I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather." Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the "liberal lion" of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said. Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the "disturbing incidents" raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team. "Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign," Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement. Obama has been both "surprised and frustrated" by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say has been hampered by complacency and missteps. Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points. "If you were fired up in the last election, I need you more fired up in this election," Obama urged a crowd at a Coakley campaign rally on Sunday. Vicki Kennedy, the senator's widow, called on state Democrats to turn out t
Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood is Coming to the U.S.
The Brits writing it is good, but then, what will make it "American"? Locale? Cause I fear that the American mindset is usually all about explosions, blonde women with fake chests, and music-video level fights. I can't see that they'd live within the British pacing for too long. - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Torchwood is Coming to the U.S. Plucking British shows from across the pond and remaking them for American audiences is not a new practice. Also not new is the fact that most of them end in disaster. Still, anyone with half a brain knows the trend will continue, and that we'll just have to deal with it. But the latest show to get picked for Americanization even made me wince. Ready? Okay, here goes: Fox is importing Torchwood , the popular spinoff of Doctor Who , according to The Hollywood Reporter . The show has a solid pack of rabid fans here in the United States, and the standalone miniseries Children of Earth delivered big-time ratings for BBC America when it aired last year. In other words, a lot of people are going to be very weary of the project. However, there is one indication that a U.S. Torchwood won't be a shell of its former self. Series creator Russell Davies is writing the script, and the rest of the Torchwood production team is on board for the U.S. version. Whereas the original Torchwood focused on a small group of operatives that dealt with aliens on a local basis, the U.S. version will feature a branch of the Torchwood Institute and cover more international territory. With Davies on board, there's an infinitesimal chance that the reboot will actually be good. What's your hope for the series? http://www.tv.com/torchwood-is-coming-to-the-u.s./story/20871.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
Yeah, despite Rave and the public who paid a few hundred mill to see that flick, I couldn't sit through it. Speaking of Moors in England, I was able to better accept the Moorish character in the animated series "The Legend of Prince Valiant". - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 5:48:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood My neck tensed up at the sight of those words... it may be a day or three before I can swallow again. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:51:29 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood I hear you. Even his speech at the end--something to the effect of, "If a Moor can fight for Robin and justice, why can't you?" was laughable and groan-inducing to me. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:31:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Keith, as much as I love Morgan Freeman as an actor, I deny the existence of that version of the movie. I was given it as a Christmas gift the holiday after the movie came out, and I donated my copy to the library. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:15:36 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Yeah, the Errol Flynn version is full of men laughing merrily, but that's the main vision of Robin throughout the ages. I liked the Patrick Bergan/Uma Thurman version as it was less...colorful. But Costner's? Dude that was dreck! His accent kept fading in and out, for some reason Freeman's character shoehorned in irritated me (and i typically love it when people add people of color to a story like that), and it was just weak. But as you say, some people might like it. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:15:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood One man's junk is another man's treasure. I love Kevin Costner's "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" with Morgan Freeman as Azeem, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Maid Marian, Christian Slater as Will Scarlet and Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham. Frankly, I am not a fan of the Robin Hood genre, in general, as most of them have been a little too "merry" for my my tastes. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Man, this is wild. When seeing "It's Complicated" the other day (for the > wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the > Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, > King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of > Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across > the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic > treatment, i turned to my wife and said, "Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, > buffest Robin I've ever seen!" > Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a "reimagining" of Robin, > focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes > home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and > lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that > furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from "Gladiator" to > this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much > from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men > won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully > and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin > movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma > Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget > Costner's junk. > Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? > > http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ > http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.
[scifinoir2] OT: Brown Projected for Upset Win in Massachusetts
Aw damnwell, I guess this may be a wakeup call for some of the Dems who were still fighting the Prez in stuff like health care. Damn... * http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/index.html?hpt=T1 Boston, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Republican Scott Brown has won Tuesday's special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. Brown, a Massachusetts state senator, had 52 percent of the vote to 47 percent for state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the Democratic contender, with over 69 percent of precincts reporting in results from the National Election Pool, a consortium of media organizations including CNN. Independent candidate Joseph Kennedy, a libertarian who is not related to the Kennedy political family of Massachusetts, had 1 percent. At stake was President Obama's domestic agenda, including health care reform. If Brown upsets Coakley, Republicans will strip Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Final numbers on election turnout are expected "to be pretty good" despite the wintry weather, said Brian McNiff, a spokesman for the office of Massachusetts Secretary of State Bill Galvin. "I don't think weather is going to impede too many people" from coming out to vote, McNiff said Tuesday. "I think the interest in this election will trump any bad weather." Galvin predicted Monday as many 2.2 million of the state's 4.5 million registered voters would vote -- at least double the turnout from December's primary. In one sign of high interest, more than 100,000 absentee ballots were requested ahead of the election, according to McNiff. iReport: Send us your thoughts on the special election Coakley was initially expected to easily win the race to replace Sen. Ted Kennedy, known as the "liberal lion" of the Senate who made health care reform the centerpiece of his nearly 47-year Senate career. Kennedy died of brain cancer in August. Until recently, Brown was underfunded and unknown statewide. In addition, no Republican has won a U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts since 1972, and Democrats control the governorship, both houses of the state legislature, and the state's entire congressional delegation. The latest poll, however, showed Brown leading Coakley by 7 points, 52 to 45 percent. The American Research Group survey, taken Friday through Sunday, had a sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. No polls released in the past few days showed Coakley ahead. In a sign of the high stakes involved, the Coakley campaign held an afternoon news conference Tuesday to complain that voters in three places received ballots already marked for Brown. McNiff confirmed that the secretary of state's offices received two reports of voters saying they got pre-marked ballots. The suspect ballots were invalidated and the voters received new ballots, McNiff said. Kevin Conroy, the Coakley campaign manager, said the "disturbing incidents" raised questions about the integrity of the election. In response, the Brown campaign issued a statement criticizing Coakley's team. "Reports that the Coakley campaign is making reckless accusations regarding the integrity of today's election is a reminder that they are a desperate campaign," Daniel B. Winslow, the counsel for the Brown campaign, said in the statement. Obama has been both "surprised and frustrated" by the race, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday. Obama and former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail over the past three days in an attempt to save Coakley's campaign, which observers say has been hampered by complacency and missteps. Obama crushed Sen. John McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, beating the GOP presidential nominee by 26 points. "If you were fired up in the last election, I need you more fired up in this election," Obama urged a crowd at a Coakley campaign rally on Sunday. Vicki Kennedy, the senator's widow, called on state Democrats to turn out to save her husband's legacy. "We need your help. We need your support. We need you to get out there and vote on Tuesday," Kennedy said. "We need you to bring your neighbors. We need you to bring your friends." Brown, who has trumpeted his 30 years of service in the National Guard, hewed to traditional GOP themes at the end of the campaign. He promised at a rally Sunday that, if elected, he would back tax cuts and be tougher on terrorists than Coakley. He also repeated a pledge to oppose Obama's health care reform effort. "Massachusetts wants real reform and not this trillion-dollar Obama health care that is being forced on the American people," he said. "As the 41st [Republican] senator I will make sure that we do it better." Forty-f
Re: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today
That was the point Rave and I were making. "The Invaders" was shot with the same sensibility, music, structure, plotting, even showrunners and actors, that you'd get from those 60's and 70's cop shows. That gave it a realism you wouldn't necessarily get in a scifi show like that all the time, especially back then. If you look at the Irwin Allen fare from those days (TIme Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea), and the Quinn Martin productions (Mannix, Cannon, The Fugitive, etc.), there are incredible similarities of feeling between the genre shows. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:17:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today I kind of enjoyed watching the Invaders. It was interesting to see a scifi show done with the same style as the Streets of San Francisco. :) OOooo! I just had an interesting thought. What if they did a scifi show in the style of Law and Order? On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: I can't really take marathons of shows either, Tracey, not even Doctor Who. I did have to tune out of "The Invaders" a couple of times, for my own sanity. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:18:52 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today I enjoyed the last marathon I saw a few years ago, but I enjoyed it more for the nostalgia. I’m not sure if I would watch it all the time like same the twilight zone. Same thing with time tunnel. I watch it every once in a while , (they had it in Mexico, but I do not think I would go for it on a regular basis From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:11 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today Tracey, I still do. The isolation and loneliness that Vincent had to be living with as he went, never fully knowing who he could trust. One ep this morn starred Suzanne Pleshette as a woman whom Vincent fell for (though he never betrayed the emotion, beyond his eyes), who was a quisling for the aliens. When he figured out that she'd betrayed him, he was gutshot. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:03:32 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today I used to love that show. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:53 AM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: [scifinoir2] The Invaders marathon on Siffy today Just fell across it. It's the original, with Roy Thinnes. IMO, worth a bit of time for the catch. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
I don't know about that: Orlando Bloom fought in the Crusades in "Kingdom of Heaven", and he's slim and pretty as can be for a man! :) - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:49:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Keith, the morph of Crowe's Hood does make sense, from the standpoint of the time, when most warriors were beefy types. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:51:12 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Man, this is wild. When seeing "It's Complicated" the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, "Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen!" Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a "reimagining" of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from "Gladiator" to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
I hear you. Even his speech at the end--something to the effect of, "If a Moor can fight for Robin and justice, why can't you?" was laughable and groan-inducing to me. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:31:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Keith, as much as I love Morgan Freeman as an actor, I deny the existence of that version of the movie. I was given it as a Christmas gift the holiday after the movie came out, and I donated my copy to the library. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:15:36 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Yeah, the Errol Flynn version is full of men laughing merrily, but that's the main vision of Robin throughout the ages. I liked the Patrick Bergan/Uma Thurman version as it was less...colorful. But Costner's? Dude that was dreck! His accent kept fading in and out, for some reason Freeman's character shoehorned in irritated me (and i typically love it when people add people of color to a story like that), and it was just weak. But as you say, some people might like it. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:15:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood One man's junk is another man's treasure. I love Kevin Costner's "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" with Morgan Freeman as Azeem, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Maid Marian, Christian Slater as Will Scarlet and Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham. Frankly, I am not a fan of the Robin Hood genre, in general, as most of them have been a little too "merry" for my my tastes. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Man, this is wild. When seeing "It's Complicated" the other day (for the > wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the > Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, > King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of > Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across > the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic > treatment, i turned to my wife and said, "Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, > buffest Robin I've ever seen!" > Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a "reimagining" of Robin, > focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes > home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and > lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that > furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from "Gladiator" to > this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much > from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men > won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully > and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin > movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma > Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget > Costner's junk. > Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? > > http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ > http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
That's even worse than Hop Sing!
The wild thing about commercials is that they're worse now than back in the
day! If you watch any re-aired eps of Star Trek, for example (especially the OS
and TNG), you can catch snippets of the show missing here and there.
The shows have been edited to shorten their length, as there's more time
devoted to commercials in a TV hour nowadays than there used to be.
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:56:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
I am watching the "Hunt the Man" episode of "Have Gun, Will Travel" and right
in the opening scene I am reminded of the one thing I didn't like about the
series, Paladin's Chinese man-servant is named Hey Boy.
Interesting side note: the actor who played "Hey Boy" played a character named
"House Boy" in his first credit "The General Died At Dawn" in 1936 and ended
his career in 1969 playing "House Boy" on "The Big Valley." Is this a great
country, or what?
~(no)rave!
(by the by, the great thing about watching these old episodes on Encore is no
commercials! The bane of watching old television episodes is the quadrillion
commercials).
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn" wrote:
>
> "Have Gun Will Travel?" Did someone say "Have Gun Will Travel?" I LOVE
> Richard Boone's Paladin! Where is my DVR remote control?
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Mark Ellis wrote:
> >
> > Just about every evening, my TV watching ritual starts with Cheyenne,
> > segues into The Rifleman then Have Gun-Will Travel and finally Gunsmoke.
> > Â
> >
> >
> > MarkEllisInk.com
> > Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
> >
> > --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Keith Johnson
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:15 PM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the
> > following:
> >
> > Suzanne Pleshette... Michael Rennie ("The Day The Earth Stood Still", The
> > Keeper from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who
> > reminds me of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on
> > the Star Trek OS ep "Amok Time"...a character actor I don't know, but who
> > played a three-eyed alien at a diner in an ep of "The Twilight Zone"...
> > Susan Oliver (Captain Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot,
> > "The Cage")...an older British actor whose name espaces me, but who I
> > remember as one of the original council of leaders on the original
> > Battlestar Galactica--
> >
> > great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy,
> > western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up
> > all over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at
> > least Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention
> > Gunsmoke, The Big Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar
> > Man. I'm seeing a bit more of that guide of journeyman work for character
> > actors on some of the TNT, USA, SyFy, and A&E shows like "Burn Notice",
> > "Eureka", etc. Lots of actors from the cableverse are appearing on each
> > others' shows.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Keith Johnson"
> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and
> > well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old
> > days: where many of the showrunners/ writers/actors had decidedly non scifi
> > backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd
> > learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the
> > early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good
> > acting and deep themes.
> > And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
The Bergin version was more enjoyable. Thurman was a tough, plucky Marian. It's the first role I ever saw Thurman in, I believe, and I liked it. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:08:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood People might have liked "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" to the tune of $390 million worldwide - I'm just saying. I was trying to find the box office for Bergin's "Robin Hood" when it hit me - "Robin Hood" was a TELEVISION movie. Didn't see it. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > Yeah, the Errol Flynn version is full of men laughing merrily, but that's the > main vision of Robin throughout the ages. I liked the Patrick Bergan/Uma > Thurman version as it was less...colorful. But Costner's? Dude that was > dreck! His accent kept fading in and out, for some reason Freeman's character > shoehorned in irritated me (and i typically love it when people add people of > color to a story like that), and it was just weak. But as you say, some > people might like it. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kelwyn" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:15:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood > >  > > > > > One man's junk is another man's treasure. I love Kevin Costner's "Robin Hood: > Prince of Thieves" with Morgan Freeman as Azeem, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio > as Maid Marian, Christian Slater as Will Scarlet and Alan Rickman as the > Sheriff of Nottingham. Frankly, I am not a fan of the Robin Hood genre, in > general, as most of them have been a little too "merry" for my my tastes. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > Man, this is wild. When seeing "It's Complicated" the other day (for the > > wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the > > Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, > > King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin > > of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk > > across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more > > militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, "Wow! That is the > > biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen!" > > Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a "reimagining" of Robin, > > focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who > > comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, > > and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's > > bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from > > "Gladiator" to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be > > swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously > > the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, > > laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty > > intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with > > Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol > > Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. > > Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? > > > > http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ > > http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ > > >
Re: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
Do you not like Crowe, Crowe in this role, or a *buff* Crowe as Robin? - Original Message - From: "Aubrey Leatherwood" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:31:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood I saw that trailer before Sherlock Holmes and I was appalled, my mom and cousin who are much bigger Crowe fans than me (not hard to be even though really I should be all over since I like bigo ol' buff badass actors, but this guy does absolutely nothing for me) were super excited. I don't get the crazy buff image. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:51:12 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood Man, this is wild. When seeing "It's Complicated" the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, "Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen!" Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a "reimagining" of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from "Gladiator" to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
Yeah, the Errol Flynn version is full of men laughing merrily, but that's the main vision of Robin throughout the ages. I liked the Patrick Bergan/Uma Thurman version as it was less...colorful. But Costner's? Dude that was dreck! His accent kept fading in and out, for some reason Freeman's character shoehorned in irritated me (and i typically love it when people add people of color to a story like that), and it was just weak. But as you say, some people might like it. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 12:15:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood One man's junk is another man's treasure. I love Kevin Costner's "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" with Morgan Freeman as Azeem, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Maid Marian, Christian Slater as Will Scarlet and Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham. Frankly, I am not a fan of the Robin Hood genre, in general, as most of them have been a little too "merry" for my my tastes. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Man, this is wild. When seeing "It's Complicated" the other day (for the > wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the > Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, > King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of > Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across > the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic > treatment, i turned to my wife and said, "Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, > buffest Robin I've ever seen!" > Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a "reimagining" of Robin, > focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes > home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and > lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that > furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from "Gladiator" to > this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much > from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men > won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully > and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin > movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma > Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget > Costner's junk. > Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? > > http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ > http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/ >
[scifinoir2] Scott and Crowe Back Again for Robin Hood
Man, this is wild. When seeing "It's Complicated" the other day (for the wife, you know), i was treated to a trailer for a new film treatment of the Robin Hood mythos. I sat up in my seat in anticipation--I love Robin Hood, King Arthur, and all that stuff--and was a bit surprised to see the Robin of Loxley portrayed by none other than Russell Crowe! Seeing Crowe stalk across the screen in this obviously darker, more violent, and more militaristic treatment, i turned to my wife and said, "Wow! That is the biggest-a$$, buffest Robin I've ever seen!" Interviews I've read with Crowe say this is a "reimagining" of Robin, focusing more on the soldier who's fought bitterly in the Crusades, who comes home, weary, to fight further injustice. Used to more lithe, agile, and lighthearted Robins, I was intrigued by this treatment. Crowe's bringing that furrowed brow, that worn, barely coiled anger so familar from "Gladiator" to this role. Obviously this hulking Prince of Thieves won't be swinging much from slender ropes in the forest of Sherwood! And obviously the Merry Men won't be standing around in garishly bright pastel colors, laughing joyfully and chowing down on stag legs. This thing is pretty intense. My fav Robin movie of recent times has been the smart version with Patrick Bergman and Uma Thurman, which was a nice companion to Errol Flynn's funfest. Forget Costner's junk. Maybe this one can add an interesting new twist to the legend? http://www.robinhoodthemovie.com/ http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Oh yeah, i have that one too. My late father was a huge Western fan. I still
get a little sad sometimes when watching a "shoot-em-up". Back home in Fort
Worth in the 70s and 80s, one of the local TV stations showed a block of
Westerns all Saturday: Rawhide, Have Gun Will Travel, Bonanza, The Rifleman,
etc. My dad would watch as many of them as he could when he was home.
- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:16:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
They have a western channel that replays all of the old western tv shows and
movies. My father watches it continuously. Its called the Encore Western
Channel on comscum digital.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
On what channel? I have one on Comcast, WSBR (or something like that), that
shows older stuff. One morning I turned on the tube at 2 am, to see "Daniel
Boone"!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ellis" < jaxl...@yahoo.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:02:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Just about every evening, my TV watching ritual starts with Cheyenne, segues
into The Rifleman then Have Gun-Will Travel and finally Gunsmoke.
MarkEllisInk.com
Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote:
From: Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:15 PM
And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following:
Suzanne Pleshette... Michael Rennie ("The Day The Earth Stood Still", The
Keeper from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who
reminds me of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the
Star Trek OS ep "Amok Time"...a character actor I don't know, but who played a
three-eyed alien at a diner in an ep of "The Twilight Zone"... Susan Oliver
(Captain Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, "The Cage")...an
older British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the
original council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica--
great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy,
western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all
over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least
Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big
Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit
more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT,
USA, SyFy, and A&E shows like "Burn Notice", "Eureka", etc. Lots of actors from
the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows.
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson"
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and
well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old
days: where many of the showrunners/ writers/actors had decidedly non scifi
backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd
learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the
early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting
and deep themes.
And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old "Invaders" more than ninety
percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ellis"
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
It's interesting that "UFOlogy" was in its infancy at that point, but
the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In
Black.
MarkEllisInk. com
Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson wrote:
From: Keith Johnson
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM
Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of
the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Sti
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
On what channel? I have one on Comcast, WSBR (or something like that), that
shows older stuff. One morning I turned on the tube at 2 am, to see "Daniel
Boone"!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ellis"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:02:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Just about every evening, my TV watching ritual starts with Cheyenne, segues
into The Rifleman then Have Gun-Will Travel and finally Gunsmoke.
MarkEllisInk.com
Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson wrote:
From: Keith Johnson
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 6:15 PM
And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following:
Suzanne Pleshette... Michael Rennie ("The Day The Earth Stood Still", The
Keeper from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who
reminds me of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the
Star Trek OS ep "Amok Time"...a character actor I don't know, but who played a
three-eyed alien at a diner in an ep of "The Twilight Zone"... Susan Oliver
(Captain Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, "The Cage")...an
older British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the
original council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica--
great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy,
western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all
over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least
Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big
Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit
more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT,
USA, SyFy, and A&E shows like "Burn Notice", "Eureka", etc. Lots of actors from
the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows.
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson"
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and
well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old
days: where many of the showrunners/ writers/actors had decidedly non scifi
backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd
learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the
early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting
and deep themes.
And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old "Invaders" more than ninety
percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ellis"
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
It's interesting that "UFOlogy" was in its infancy at that point, but
the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In
Black.
MarkEllisInk. com
Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson wrote:
From: Keith Johnson
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM
Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of
the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it
had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well.
This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like
this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for
Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and
instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters.
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the
whole Quinn Martin ouevre: "Twelve O'Clock High," "The Fugitive"). Watching it
now is kind of like watching old "Wild, Wild West" episodes (fake-looking sets,
bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!).
The aliens did die "cool," though.
~
Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes
You're talking about "It's a Good Life", starring Billy "Will Robinson" Mumy from "Lost in Space", as the evil and omnipotent Anthony. That's a great one, one of the top ten easily. It's always shown during a Zone marathon, so shouldn't be hard to catch next time. By the way, the most recent incarnation of "Twilight Zone"--the one hosted by Forest Whitaker--revisited that evil Anthony, now an adult with a daughter (gotten by a woman too terrified to say no to his advances--how revolting). It's a very good ep, one of the best, and totally justifies going back to that world. - Original Message - From: "Augustus Augustus" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:16:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes Keith, as for which came first, the ep or the joke..i am going 2 go with the ep..as 4 watching the zone as a kid...it scared the bejezus out of me sometimes! and you are totally correct about the end of times ep's in the series. one f my most memorable ep's was the one about the kid sending people 2 the 'corn field' when he got upset with them. i have tried around the holidays 2 catch that ep again so that i can record it, but i seem 2 never 2 able 2 catch it. Fate. --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 5:48 PM And on another note, as a kid, shows like this often had me confused or frightened. When I first saw the Twilight Zone ep described below, i thought it reasonable that the Devil would make a last minute grab at a soul in route to Heaven. So my young mind was frightened at the thought that some day *I'd* face some tough test--what if I failed and ended up in a lake of fire and brimstone? What if I didn't have a faithful hound dog to help me defeat the Devil's ploy? As an adult, I think differently, of course, and ain't worried about Satan getting one last shot on souls who've died in Grace. But man did that stuff scare me as a kid! Let's not even start on Revelation and some of the horrors it described for the end times! - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:42:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes This is a take on a classic ep of "The Twilight Zone". In it, an old hillbilly guy goes hunting for 'coon with his hound dog, even though his wife begs him not too. She'd seen signs and portents that something awful would happen. The man and his dog pursue a raccoon into a river, then things go blank. Later he tries to go home, but quickly realizes he's died, and can't be seen or heard by his wife or anyone else. Sorrowfully, he and his hound dog walk along a dirt road toward their reward. The man stops at one place with a slick-looking guard before a gate, but his dog is upset and barks at the guy. The gatekeeper says "no pets allowed in Heaven", and the old man sadly says "I don't want no part of a place that won't accept my dog". They then keep walking, and end up at a simple gate with a hillbilly chewing on a piece of straw, who says "Howdy! We've been waiting for you!" He says that dogs are sho' 'nuff welcome in Heaven, and then tells the relieved old man that the fancy place down the street was Hell. They gatekeeper was always lying in order to do a last minute grab on saved souls, he explained, but the Devil couldn't fool a dog! I wonder if this joke precedes or comes after that Twilight Zone, which is at least forty years old? - Original Message - From: "Augustus Augustus" To: "Sci Fi" Cc: "Black SciFi" Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:30:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes This answers all questions & explains why I forward jokes. A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight. When he was standing before it he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother-of-pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold.. He and the dog walked toward the gate, and ashe got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side. When he was cl
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Funny!
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter"
To: "SciFiNoir2"
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:10:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Keith, I admit to geeking out at the ep with Michael Rennie.
Martin (did say "Klaatu barada nikto" several times)
"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:34:24 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
On the same show as Susan Oliver is an actor playing a police detective. I
recognized him as having played Commodore Wesley on Star Trek. He was the one
who led the Starfleet task force that was testing the Richard Daystrom's M5
computer when it was running the Enterprise. Man I'm loving seeing all these
old familiar faces!
- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:23:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Unfortunately, we may not see actors of that caliber showing up on tv shows
anymore because Hollywood doesn't want to pay them for their skills. There are
a couple of exceptions but it is becoming the norm.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following:
Suzanne Pleshette...Michael Rennie ("The Day The Earth Stood Still", The Keeper
from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me
of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS
ep "Amok Time"...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed
alien at a diner in an ep of "The Twilight Zone"... Susan Oliver (Captain
Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, "The Cage")...an older
British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original
council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica--
great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy,
western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all
over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least
Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big
Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit
more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT,
USA, SyFy, and A&E shows like "Burn Notice", "Eureka", etc. Lots of actors from
the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows.
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and
well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old
days: where many of the showrunners/writers/actors had decidedly non scifi
backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd
learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the
early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting
and deep themes.
And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old "Invaders" more than ninety
percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ellis" < jaxl...@yahoo.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
It's interesting that "UFOlogy" was in its infancy at that point, but the
writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black.
MarkEllisInk.com
Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote:
From: Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM
Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of
the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it
had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well.
This goes back to my earlier
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
On the same show as Susan Oliver is an actor playing a police detective. I
recognized him as having played Commodore Wesley on Star Trek. He was the one
who led the Starfleet task force that was testing the Richard Daystrom's M5
computer when it was running the Enterprise. Man I'm loving seeing all these
old familiar faces!
- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:23:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Unfortunately, we may not see actors of that caliber showing up on tv shows
anymore because Hollywood doesn't want to pay them for their skills. There are
a couple of exceptions but it is becoming the norm.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following:
Suzanne Pleshette...Michael Rennie ("The Day The Earth Stood Still", The Keeper
from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me
of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS
ep "Amok Time"...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed
alien at a diner in an ep of "The Twilight Zone"... Susan Oliver (Captain
Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, "The Cage")...an older
British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original
council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica--
great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy,
western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all
over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least
Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big
Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit
more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT,
USA, SyFy, and A&E shows like "Burn Notice", "Eureka", etc. Lots of actors from
the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows.
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and
well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old
days: where many of the showrunners/writers/actors had decidedly non scifi
backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd
learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the
early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting
and deep themes.
And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old "Invaders" more than ninety
percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ellis" < jaxl...@yahoo.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
It's interesting that "UFOlogy" was in its infancy at that point, but the
writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black.
MarkEllisInk.com
Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote:
From: Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM
Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of
the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it
had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well.
This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like
this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for
Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and
instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters.
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the
whole Quinn Martin ouevre: "Twelve O'Clock High," "The Fugitive"). Watching it
now is kind of like watching old "Wild, Wild W
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
yeah, those were the days. Now thirteen eps in a single season is a success,
reruns start a month after a series' premiere, and we have lost some of that
fraternity of actors working all over the tube. How we can have dozens more
channels than ever, but often less quality/satisfaction is a riddle that'd
stump the Sphinx.
- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:23:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Unfortunately, we may not see actors of that caliber showing up on tv shows
anymore because Hollywood doesn't want to pay them for their skills. There are
a couple of exceptions but it is becoming the norm.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
wrote:
And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following:
Suzanne Pleshette...Michael Rennie ("The Day The Earth Stood Still", The Keeper
from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me
of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS
ep "Amok Time"...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed
alien at a diner in an ep of "The Twilight Zone"... Susan Oliver (Captain
Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, "The Cage")...an older
British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original
council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica--
great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy,
western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all
over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least
Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big
Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit
more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT,
USA, SyFy, and A&E shows like "Burn Notice", "Eureka", etc. Lots of actors from
the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows.
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and
well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old
days: where many of the showrunners/writers/actors had decidedly non scifi
backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd
learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the
early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting
and deep themes.
And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old "Invaders" more than ninety
percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ellis" < jaxl...@yahoo.com >
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
It's interesting that "UFOlogy" was in its infancy at that point, but the
writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black.
MarkEllisInk.com
Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote:
From: Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net >
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM
Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of
the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it
had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well.
This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like
this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for
Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and
instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters.
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the
whole Quinn Martin ouevre: "Twelve O'Clock High," "The Fugitive"). Watching it
now is kind of like watching old "Wild, Wild West&
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
And back on those guest stars, what a group! So far I've seen the following:
Suzanne Pleshette...Michael Rennie ("The Day The Earth Stood Still", The Keeper
from Lost in Space)...Roddy McDowall...James Whitmore (the actor who reminds me
of Spencer Tracy)...the dude who played Spock's rival Stonn on the Star Trek OS
ep "Amok Time"...a character actor I don't know, but who played a three-eyed
alien at a diner in an ep of "The Twilight Zone"... Susan Oliver (Captain
Pike's love interest from the first Star Trek pilot, "The Cage")...an older
British actor whose name espaces me, but who I remember as one of the original
council of leaders on the original Battlestar Galactica--
great stuff. I miss the days when television was loaded with cop, cowboy,
western, suspense, and scifi shows, and you saw the same actors showing up all
over them in various roles. most of the folks I've seen appeared on at least
Twilight Zone or Outer Limits back in the day, not to mention Gunsmoke, The Big
Valley, Bonanza, Police Story, or The Six Million Dollar Man. I'm seeing a bit
more of that guide of journeyman work for character actors on some of the TNT,
USA, SyFy, and A&E shows like "Burn Notice", "Eureka", etc. Lots of actors from
the cableverse are appearing on each others' shows.
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Johnson"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:47:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and
well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old
days: where many of the showrunners/writers/actors had decidedly non scifi
backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd
learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the
early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting
and deep themes.
And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old "Invaders" more than ninety
percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend!
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ellis"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
It's interesting that "UFOlogy" was in its infancy at that point, but the
writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black.
MarkEllisInk.com
Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson wrote:
From: Keith Johnson
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM
Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of
the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it
had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well.
This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like
this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for
Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and
instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters.
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the
whole Quinn Martin ouevre: "Twelve O'Clock High," "The Fugitive"). Watching it
now is kind of like watching old "Wild, Wild West" episodes (fake-looking sets,
bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!).
The aliens did die "cool," though.
~rave!
--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson wrote:
>
> Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV
> series "The Invaders". This was the original "aliens walk among us plotting
> to take over the world" show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from
> "The X-Files" (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to "Third Wave".
> This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars
> that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and
> Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out.
>
Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes
And on another note, as a kid, shows like this often had me confused or frightened. When I first saw the Twilight Zone ep described below, i thought it reasonable that the Devil would make a last minute grab at a soul in route to Heaven. So my young mind was frightened at the thought that some day *I'd* face some tough test--what if I failed and ended up in a lake of fire and brimstone? What if I didn't have a faithful hound dog to help me defeat the Devil's ploy? As an adult, I think differently, of course, and ain't worried about Satan getting one last shot on souls who've died in Grace. But man did that stuff scare me as a kid! Let's not even start on Revelation and some of the horrors it described for the end times! - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:42:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes This is a take on a classic ep of "The Twilight Zone". In it, an old hillbilly guy goes hunting for 'coon with his hound dog, even though his wife begs him not too. She'd seen signs and portents that something awful would happen. The man and his dog pursue a raccoon into a river, then things go blank. Later he tries to go home, but quickly realizes he's died, and can't be seen or heard by his wife or anyone else. Sorrowfully, he and his hound dog walk along a dirt road toward their reward. The man stops at one place with a slick-looking guard before a gate, but his dog is upset and barks at the guy. The gatekeeper says "no pets allowed in Heaven", and the old man sadly says "I don't want no part of a place that won't accept my dog". They then keep walking, and end up at a simple gate with a hillbilly chewing on a piece of straw, who says "Howdy! We've been waiting for you!" He says that dogs are sho' 'nuff welcome in Heaven, and then tells the relieved old man that the fancy place down the street was Hell. They gatekeeper was always lying in order to do a last minute grab on saved souls, he explained, but the Devil couldn't fool a dog! I wonder if this joke precedes or comes after that Twilight Zone, which is at least forty years old? - Original Message - From: "Augustus Augustus" To: "Sci Fi" Cc: "Black SciFi" Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:30:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes This answers all questions & explains why I forward jokes. A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight. When he was standing before it he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother-of-pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold.. He and the dog walked toward the gate, and ashe got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side. When he was close enough, he called out, 'Excuse me, where are we?' 'This is Heaven, sir,' the man answered. 'Wow! Would you happen to have some water?' the man asked. 'Of course, sir. Come right in, and I'll have some ice water brought right up' . The man gestured, and the gate began to open. 'Can my friend,' gesturing toward his dog, 'come in, too? ' the traveler asked. 'I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets.' The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going with his dog. After another long walk, and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road leading through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence. As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book. 'Excuse me!' he called to the man. 'Do you have any water?' 'Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there, come on in.' 'How about my friend here?' the traveler gestured to the dog. 'There should be a bowl by the pump.' They went through the gate, and sure enough, there was an old-fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveler filled the water bowl and took a long drink himself, then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man who was standing by the tree. 'What do you call this place?' the traveler asked. 'This is Heaven,' he answered. 'Well, tha
Re: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes
This is a take on a classic ep of "The Twilight Zone". In it, an old hillbilly guy goes hunting for 'coon with his hound dog, even though his wife begs him not too. She'd seen signs and portents that something awful would happen. The man and his dog pursue a raccoon into a river, then things go blank. Later he tries to go home, but quickly realizes he's died, and can't be seen or heard by his wife or anyone else. Sorrowfully, he and his hound dog walk along a dirt road toward their reward. The man stops at one place with a slick-looking guard before a gate, but his dog is upset and barks at the guy. The gatekeeper says "no pets allowed in Heaven", and the old man sadly says "I don't want no part of a place that won't accept my dog". They then keep walking, and end up at a simple gate with a hillbilly chewing on a piece of straw, who says "Howdy! We've been waiting for you!" He says that dogs are sho' 'nuff welcome in Heaven, and then tells the relieved old man that the fancy place down the street was Hell. They gatekeeper was always lying in order to do a last minute grab on saved souls, he explained, but the Devil couldn't fool a dog! I wonder if this joke precedes or comes after that Twilight Zone, which is at least forty years old? - Original Message - From: "Augustus Augustus" To: "Sci Fi" Cc: "Black SciFi" Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:30:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Forwarded Jokes This answers all questions & explains why I forward jokes. A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight. When he was standing before it he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother-of-pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold.. He and the dog walked toward the gate, and ashe got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side. When he was close enough, he called out, 'Excuse me, where are we?' 'This is Heaven, sir,' the man answered. 'Wow! Would you happen to have some water?' the man asked. 'Of course, sir. Come right in, and I'll have some ice water brought right up' . The man gestured, and the gate began to open. 'Can my friend,' gesturing toward his dog, 'come in, too? ' the traveler asked. 'I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets.' The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going with his dog. After another long walk, and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road leading through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence. As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book. 'Excuse me!' he called to the man. 'Do you have any water?' 'Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there, come on in.' 'How about my friend here?' the traveler gestured to the dog. 'There should be a bowl by the pump.' They went through the gate, and sure enough, there was an old-fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveler filled the water bowl and took a long drink himself, then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man who was standing by the tree. 'What do you call this place?' the traveler asked. 'This is Heaven,' he answered. 'Well, that's confusing,' the traveler said. 'The man down the road said that was Heaven, too.' 'Oh, you mean the place with the gold street and pearly gates ? Nope. That's hell.' 'Doesn't it make you mad for them to use your name like that?' 'No, we're just happy that they screen out the folks who would leave their best friends behind.' S... Sometimes, we wonder why friends keep forwarding jokes to us without writing a word. Maybe this will explain. When you are very busy, but still want to keep in touch, guess what you do? You forward jokes. When you have nothing to say, but still want to keep contact, you forward jokes. When you have something to say, but don't know what, and don't know how, you forward jokes. Also to let you know that you are still remembered, you are still important, you are still loved, you are still cared for, guess what you get? A forwarded joke. So, next time if you get a joke, don't think that you've been sent just another forwarded joke, but that you've been thought of today and your friend on the other end of your computer wanted to send you a smile. You are all welcome @ my water bowl anytime!!! A Cheerful Heart Is Good Medicine. Prov. 17:22 Fate.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Sorry Martin, we must have been typing an announcement of this at the same time. Didn't see your earlier post. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 3:08:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY For me, Tracey, they're holding up better than Siffy's usual fare. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:19:55 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY I loved all those old shows. Scifi has shown them from time to time. Perhaps they do not do well with ratings. Because as Rave says, they do not hold up well From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:51 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: "Twelve O'Clock High," "The Fugitive"). Watching it now is kind of like watching old "Wild, Wild West" episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die "cool," though. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV > series "The Invaders". This was the original "aliens walk among us plotting > to take over the world" show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from > "The X-Files" (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to "Third Wave". > This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars > that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and > Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out. > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
I actually think they hold pretty well, all things considered. - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:19:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY I loved all those old shows. Scifi has shown them from time to time. Perhaps they do not do well with ratings. Because as Rave says, they do not hold up well From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:51 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: "Twelve O'Clock High," "The Fugitive"). Watching it now is kind of like watching old "Wild, Wild West" episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die "cool," though. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV > series "The Invaders". This was the original "aliens walk among us plotting > to take over the world" show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from > "The X-Files" (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to "Third Wave". > This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars > that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and > Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out. >
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
It's akin to the great dramatic opening of "The Fugitive": "Dr. Richard Kimbell an innocent victim of blind justice (cue a shot of the Blind Justice statue"). In route to the death house when an accident of fate freed him. Freed him to search for his killer (picture of the One-Armed Man), freed him to toil at many jobs (pictures of David Jansen driving a tractor and doing other blue color stuff)...freed him to flee before the pursuit of the relentless Lieutenant obsessed with his capture (shots of the serious Lieutenant") Those were the great old dies of high (melo)drama TV, whether cop shows, medical shows, action shows (Remember "Run for Your Life", "To Catch a Thief"?) I miss 'em, I miss the "A QM Production" intros, and I miss series where good music was a big part of the show! - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:07:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY You gotta love the portentous opening narration: [opening narration] Narrator (William Woodson): The Invaders: alien beings from a dying planet. Their destination: the Earth. Their purpose: to make it *their* world. David Vincent has seen them. For him, it began one lost night on a lonely country road, looking for a shortcut that he never found. It began with a closed deserted diner, and a man too long without sleep to continue his journey. It began with the landing of a craft from another galaxy. Now, David Vincent knows that the Invaders are here, that they have taken human form. Somehow, he must convince a disbelieving world, that the nightmare has already begun... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV > series "The Invaders". This was the original "aliens walk among us plotting > to take over the world" show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from > "The X-Files" (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to "Third Wave". > This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars > that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and > Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out. >
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Actually, watching the show again, i find it to be fairly sophisticated and well done, as I said earlier. This was scifi done the way it was in the old days: where many of the showrunners/writers/actors had decidedly non scifi backgrounds, and simply brought the standards of action and drama they'd learned from cop shows and Westerns to the scifi genre. It's why I love the early eps of the original Star Trek: they're very dramatic, full of good acting and deep themes. And like I said, I'm enjoying this forty-year old "Invaders" more than ninety percent of the SyFy Originals dreck we get each weekend! - Original Message - From: "Mark Ellis" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:59:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY It's interesting that "UFOlogy" was in its infancy at that point, but the writers had obviously done their research, particularly with the Men In Black. MarkEllisInk.com Site of best-selling author Mark (James Axler) Ellis --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:51 PM Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: "Twelve O'Clock High," "The Fugitive"). Watching it now is kind of like watching old "Wild, Wild West" episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die "cool," though. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV > series "The Invaders". This was the original "aliens walk among us plotting > to take over the world" show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from > "The X-Files" (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to "Third Wave". > This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars > that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and > Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out. >
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY
Agreed, I watched it religiously when I was a kid. I dig the vibrant colors of the sets, and man, i've lost count of all the familiar guest stars! Still, it had a good core of plot and acting, so it's aged well. This goes back to my earlier questions: why doesn't SyFy show more stuff like this? I had no clue they even owned rights to this show. i'm always looking for Land of the Giants, Time Tunnel, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, etc., and instead I get SyFy Originals crap and Ghost Hunters. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:53:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "The Invaders" on SyFY I love, love, LOVED this show when it was on (but then I was a sucker for the whole Quinn Martin ouevre: "Twelve O'Clock High," "The Fugitive"). Watching it now is kind of like watching old "Wild, Wild West" episodes (fake-looking sets, bad wigs, extremely fake-looking fight scenes and strident, god-awful music!). The aliens did die "cool," though. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV > series "The Invaders". This was the original "aliens walk among us plotting > to take over the world" show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from > "The X-Files" (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to "Third Wave". > This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars > that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and > Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out. >
[scifinoir2] "The Invaders" on SyFY
Well, this is odd. SyFy is running an all day marathon of the classic TV series "The Invaders". This was the original "aliens walk among us plotting to take over the world" show, the forerunner for aspects of everything from "The X-Files" (on which the lead had a part, I believe), to "Third Wave". This was a classic '60s scifi series, with the look and great guest stars that distinguished shows of that era. So far I've seen Roddie McDowall and Suzanne Pleshette. Check it out.
Re: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm
Thanks again, that was good--damn good! Better than I expected. Good music, nice plot, engaging action and drama. More mature than I expected too, as lots of people died, and not just accidentally, either. There were some straight out killings portrayed onscreen. The scene when Sinestro took out the Battery, and Rings starting raining down from the sky (the rings of Lanterns who were in space and died when their Rings failed) that was awesome. Not being a GL expert, I wondered how much the history was changed. Did Sinestro, for example, really possess the power to defeat the Guardians and the Corps single handedly? They also killed a couple of Lanterns that I thought had survived, such as the one with the bird beak. But minor quibbles. I enjoyed it very much. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:30:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm The Green Lantern reboot is airing tonight on the Cartoon network.
Re: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm
Must've been the light. His skin color is okay, but he's still a bit bulkier than in the comics. what's up with this "green element", "yellow element" stuff as the source of the Great Battery? ----- Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:18:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm Thanks for the heads up. Why is Sinestro drawn all wrong? Skin color's off, he's way too muscular. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:30:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm The Green Lantern reboot is airing tonight on the Cartoon network.
Re: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm
Thanks for the heads up. Why is Sinestro drawn all wrong? Skin color's off, he's way too muscular. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:30:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Green Lantern First Flight tonight at 8pm The Green Lantern reboot is airing tonight on the Cartoon network.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Hmm... how to explain a History full of Nigella Lawson references to the wife? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:19:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again But... but... this is better than real porn! And you don't have to erase it from your History after every viewing. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:58:22 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Yeah, but Giada doesn't have as much to *show* as Nigella! Okay, enough of the food porn talk! - Original Message - From: "B Smith" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:40:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I remember her from The Phantom as the femme fatale. BTW I agree with the sentiment about Giada Delaurintis vs. Nigella. White guys love Giada and her cleavage. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not > on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i > literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in > Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again > > > > > > > Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily > because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. > She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone > company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened > in. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again > > > > > > > Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women > with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see > perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones > considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related > article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, > which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated > a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that > "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? > Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd > consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My > goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele > Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! > > So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of > people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the > standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele > Obama's arms. > > At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over > realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth > obtaining. > > *** > > > British women 'want to be curvy not thin' > > (AFP) â€" Jul 22, 2009 LONDON â€" British women hanker after a curvy > hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate > Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. > Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 > percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jo
Re: [scifinoir2] Has anyone read the novel called "We" ?
I tried to read the first Helliconia book about a decade ago, but couldn't get more than ten pages into it. I haven't read a novel in about four months, and am going through my boxes of books to start my wintertime scifi/fantasy reading. On the list are the Wheel of Time books, which I own but have never read, the latest Raymond Friest books on Midkemia (which are very good), and Terry Brooks' books about the Word and the times that led up to the post-apocalyptic world that would become the world of Shannara. Is Helliconia worth putting on the list? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:54:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Has anyone read the novel called "We" ? Mr Worf, a very, very, VERY long time ago. It was, in fact, the third SF novel I ever read, after Aldiss' "Helliconia Winter" and Moorcock's "The Sailor on the Seas of Fate". Didn't find it very interesting at the time, but that might've been because I made the mistake of reading it immediately after Moorcock. Like eating Mickey D's after feasting on Kobe beef. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:10:34 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] Has anyone read the novel called "We" ? They say that is the grandfather to many of the bleaker scifi novels such as Brave New World and 1984. info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_%28novel%29 -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Can't imagine how I'd explain away getting up shortly after dawn on a Sunday
morning to watch a cooking show featuring food that's often too fatty for my
tastes!
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter"
To: "SciFiNoir2"
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:48:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Every now and then, a new ep slips on on Sunday mornings at 7.
"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:16:26 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
is her show still on???
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter"
To: "SciFiNoir2"
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
I'm with you there, Keith, re Nigella. (Admission of a demented mind --
whenever her show "Nigella Bites" comes on Food Network, I always add, "Me!" )
"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:28:50 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Then how does Alba and Hepburn get mentioned in that category.
As for Nigella Lawson, lord yes! That's one of the few times a woman on TV got
me to watching a show I'd otherwise not watch. Note the way the cameraman
always had to start the camera at tabletop level, then pan all the way up
Nigella's body before he got to her face? And when she would stick her finger
in some creamy or savory concoction, stick it in her mouth and say "ummm.." Oh
my goodness. She's like the Marina "Deanna Troi" Sirtis' hotter sister (and
Sirtis is hot, so that's saying a lot).
I'm not sure why Lawson left, but that Italian lady who's on Food Channel now
doesn't do it for me. Curiously, at my old job, a bunch of (white) guys and I
were discussing the Food Channel. All of them were saying the Italian lady was
incredibly hot. I said Lawson put her to shame. To a man, they all said I was
crazy...?
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:03:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Even though I think these people are sick with it, a 0.7 hip to waist ratio is
the classic 36-24-36 the Commodores sang about ("What a winning hand!").
Check out the photo of the woman with the 0.69 ratio at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist-hip_ratio
it is quite fetching (women always look bigger with their clothes off - no,
this is NOT a bad thing).
Love Nigella Lawson by the way.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote:
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> Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women
> with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see
> perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones
> considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related
> article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio,
> which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated
> a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that
> "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh?
> Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd
> consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My
> goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele
> Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight!
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
The funniest thing? A few years ago, Kirk Douglas, frailer, speech slurring due to his unfortunate stroke, was asked about Michael's marriage to Zeta-Jones. With that characteristic wink and gleam in his eye--undimmed despite the stroke--he says "I told Michael, if I were 20 years younger, I'd have given him a run for his money for Catherine!" I had to chuckle, but one also remembers that Kirk was a notorious philanderer for years. Kinda sad that old age and a near-death experience had to settle him down enough so his longsuffering wife could finally enjoy him. Still, gotta laugh at the old fart's pluck! - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:47:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I recall spending many an hour wondering what he had to draw her in, ended up assessing it as his star power more than anything else. All of my lady friends say that he's long past his prime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:20:28 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. "The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures," said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. "It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back." And she added: "They are more concerned about gett
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Yeah, but Giada doesn't have as much to *show* as Nigella! Okay, enough of the food porn talk! - Original Message - From: "B Smith" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:40:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I remember her from The Phantom as the femme fatale. BTW I agree with the sentiment about Giada Delaurintis vs. Nigella. White guys love Giada and her cleavage. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not > on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i > literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in > Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again > > > > > > > Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily > because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. > She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone > company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened > in. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again > > > > > > > Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women > with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see > perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones > considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related > article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, > which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated > a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that > "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? > Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd > consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My > goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele > Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! > > So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of > people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the > standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele > Obama's arms. > > At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over > realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth > obtaining. > > *** > > > British women 'want to be curvy not thin' > > (AFP) â€" Jul 22, 2009 LONDON â€" British women hanker after a curvy > hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate > Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. > Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 > percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn > Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 > dress. > The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a > growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long > fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. > "The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years > have changed with their figures," said Laura Bryant of the food company which > commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. > "It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding > them back." > And she added: "They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape > like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a &g
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink
You are a fan, which is what I counted on, thanks for the info - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:26:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink The Doctor *tried* to kill all of the Daleks, but didn't plan on the Cult of Skaro being able to squeeze so many of their fellows out of the War (using a method that even had the Doctor bamboozled for a second). And he sent the Time Lords out of phase when Lord President Rassilon (don't ask me WHAT made them think that bringing back the guy who almost destroyed Gallfrey would be a good idea!) decided that the War was unwinnable, and that the only option was to bring about the End of Time. When the Doctor shifted them out of temporal phase, Rassilon was somehow able to contact Davros and give him the plan for the Reality Bomb. (What a 60s name for it...) "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:49:19 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Is Eccleston's Doctor the incarnation that fought the battle with the Daleks in which so many died? And, I'm a bit confused now. "When" was that apocalyptic battle fought, in our past or future? Also, I thought all the Daleks were annihilated, and the Time Lords too. The Tennant ep however, seems to indicate the Time Lords didn't die, just were shifted outside of our spacetime into a kind of limbo? Did the Doctor kill all the Daleks? Did he strand his own people in limbo? And was his home world destroyed? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:02:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink It was, Keith. And Eccleston did the ep that's managed to place itself among "Logopolis", "Blink", "Silence in the Library" and "Doomsday" as a favorite, "The End of the World". When the plant lady recognized the Doctor as a Time Lord and said so, the look in his eyes, guilt, agony and sadness all tied up in one bundle -- *priceless*. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:03:16 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Do yourself a favor and check out Eccleston's stuff. He was very good. Full of barely controlled rage and stupefying sadness was he. I think he was the Doctor in a really good, creepy two-parter in which people get infected and have their faces literally turn into WWI era gas masks! Then they go around aksing people "Are you my mommy? I can't find my mommy." Creeepy! I think that's the show that introduced Captain Jack. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:05:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I never saw any of the Eccleston episodes (Tom Baker is my Doctor) as I did not rejoin the series until Freema Agyeman joined the cast as the new companion, Martha Jones. During the New Year's Day Marathon, I saw snippets of Eccleston in the Inside the TARDIS episode. Love the leather jacket. I will have to add that season to my Netflix queue. By the by, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing all the David Tennant episodes, especially those with Billie Piper. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: > > Eccleston was my Favorite, but some how Tennant got me too. I found parts of > the finale weak, but Tenneant performance was outstanding. I’m gonna miss > him > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Keith Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:40 AM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > > > > > > > > Tracey, that is good news. I had no idea the guy behind "Blink" is the new > showrunner. That bodes well. The new Doctor has very blocky features, almost > like a caveman, and is a big guy to boot. Quite a change, but that's the > idea, eh? I still miss Chris Eccleston in the role. His Doctor had such a > dark , pained side, he was borderline menacing at times. Is he the Doctor who > direct
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
i remember her from the first Zorro movie, and wouldn't call her curvy--not on level even of Kate Winslet or something. But she's a beautiful woman--i literally caught my breath when she appeared on screen for the first time in Zorro. Still can't believe she got with that old fart Douglas! :) - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:45:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Keith, Zeta *was* curvy, back in the day. She's lost a lot of that, primarily because she was stalked for several years, went through horrible stress. She's still in seculsion, to a degree. In her commercials for that telephone company (can't recall which one), she's not even there. She's green-screened in. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:55:52 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. "The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures," said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. "It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back." And she added: "They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes." A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose "significantly", from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
is her show still on???
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter"
To: "SciFiNoir2"
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
I'm with you there, Keith, re Nigella. (Admission of a demented mind --
whenever her show "Nigella Bites" comes on Food Network, I always add, "Me!" )
"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:28:50 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Then how does Alba and Hepburn get mentioned in that category.
As for Nigella Lawson, lord yes! That's one of the few times a woman on TV got
me to watching a show I'd otherwise not watch. Note the way the cameraman
always had to start the camera at tabletop level, then pan all the way up
Nigella's body before he got to her face? And when she would stick her finger
in some creamy or savory concoction, stick it in her mouth and say "ummm.." Oh
my goodness. She's like the Marina "Deanna Troi" Sirtis' hotter sister (and
Sirtis is hot, so that's saying a lot).
I'm not sure why Lawson left, but that Italian lady who's on Food Channel now
doesn't do it for me. Curiously, at my old job, a bunch of (white) guys and I
were discussing the Food Channel. All of them were saying the Italian lady was
incredibly hot. I said Lawson put her to shame. To a man, they all said I was
crazy...?
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:03:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Even though I think these people are sick with it, a 0.7 hip to waist ratio is
the classic 36-24-36 the Commodores sang about ("What a winning hand!").
Check out the photo of the woman with the 0.69 ratio at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist-hip_ratio
it is quite fetching (women always look bigger with their clothes off - no,
this is NOT a bad thing).
Love Nigella Lawson by the way.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote:
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> Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women
> with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see
> perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones
> considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related
> article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio,
> which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated
> a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that
> "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh?
> Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd
> consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My
> goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele
> Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight!
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> So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of
> people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the
> standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele
> Obama's arms.Â
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> At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over
> realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth
> obtaining.
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> British women 'want to be curvy not thin'
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> (AFP) â€" Jul 22, 2009
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> LONDON â€" British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather
> than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according
> to a poll published Wednesday.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
What else is new? That's why I never look to Hollywood or Madison Avenue to tell me what beauty is. Another thin blonde (Carol in the Lanter comics is a brunette, so i guess the hair will be darkened, since of course there are no pretty brunettes right for the role). And to boot, Lively is only 22 years old, while Ryan Reynolds is ten years her senior. So of course there are no brunette, shapely actresses over 25 in H'Wood who can play Carol, despite the character being in her late 20's or early 30s in the comics? Riiight. Note that Catherine Tate, who played Donna Noble in "Dr. Who", was born in 1968!! Like I said, the Brits do stuff most American producers would *never* do! - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:15:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again On this topic: Blake Lively is on the cover of the February 2010 issue of Esquire wearing a leather jacket and a sleeveless t-shirt. Lady looks like a dude. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: > > Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women > with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see > perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones > considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related > article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, > which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated > a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that > "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? > Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd > consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My > goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele > Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! > > So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of > people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the > standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele > Obama's arms. > > At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over > realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth > obtaining. > > *** > > > British women 'want to be curvy not thin' > > (AFP) â€" Jul 22, 2009 > > LONDON â€" British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather > than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according > to a poll published Wednesday. > > Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 > percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn > Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 > dress. > > The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a > growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long > fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. > > "The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years > have changed with their figures," said Laura Bryant of the food company which > commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. > > "It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding > them back." > > And she added: "They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape > like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a > marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when > slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes." > > A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by > buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and > Joanna Lumley. > > The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the > highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a > study published in April. > > Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting > that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves > as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. > > A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese > by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. > > Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose "significantly", > from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent > to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London > researchers. >
Re: [scifinoir2] Saw Southland
Regina King didn't commit to its future, maybe she doesn't know. On the TJMS, she did indeed say they're airing the six eps NBC aired, then the remaining six or seven that had been shot already. But, you're right: no mention of a second season. Too bad: it's a good show. Link to her interview posted below. Y ou can tell she's upset by NBC's behavior. If the first link doesn't work, try the second. If neither works, go to www.blackamericaweb.com , then click on TJMS on the lefthand side, then click on "If You Missed It", and scroll down to January 11 show to find Regina King's interview listed. http://v3.player.abacast.com/player/player.php?pid=reachmedia_tjms&mediaurl=http://wm-ondemand.abacast.com/reachmediainc/00/REGINAKING.wma&gateway=http://asx.abacast.com/dynamic/reachmediainc.asx http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=ifyoumissedit - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:26:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Saw Southland Don’t quote me, but I read the TNT is only going to run what was in the can and never shown. I do not think they are going back into production. I hope I am wrong From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:20 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Saw Southland Yep, like I said, it's grim. I was struck too by how the cops literally act as nuts as the criminals. C. Thomas Howell's cop was just an ass. I mentioned it's like Hill Street Blues, but even grittier and less glamorous. Not an easy show to watch, but still good. But then, some of the other cable fare like "Saving Grace" are pretty intense too. If it survives, I expect "Southland" to garner some critical attention, maybe even some rewards. and then NBC will sit there still trying to figure their way out of the Leno/O'Brien fiasco. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:02:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Saw Southland I finally watched the episode of "Southland" I DVRed and it is easy to see why NBC was less than thrilled with it. It is quality work but it is way too real for the American viewing public. Most police procedurals are fantasies where the law and order is maintained and evil-doers are found and punished with everything tied up with a neat little bow in 48 minutes. All the top shows, the CSIs, the NCISs, the Law and Orders, maintain the status quo and assure a scared and frightened viewership that all is right with the world. Big brother is not only watching; he is looking out for you. "Southland" is messy and chaotic and honest and shocking and surprising. It is not neat and formulaic (you have no idea what is going to happen) and it will not send you to bed with thoughts of sugarplums in your head. Even scarier than that, Regina King has whipped off her weave and goes about her business with her real hot-combed hair. Ain't no way America is r eady for that. ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Saw Southland
Yep, like I said, it's grim. I was struck too by how the cops literally act as nuts as the criminals. C. Thomas Howell's cop was just an ass. I mentioned it's like Hill Street Blues, but even grittier and less glamorous. Not an easy show to watch, but still good. But then, some of the other cable fare like "Saving Grace" are pretty intense too. If it survives, I expect "Southland" to garner some critical attention, maybe even some rewards. and then NBC will sit there still trying to figure their way out of the Leno/O'Brien fiasco. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:02:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Saw Southland I finally watched the episode of "Southland" I DVRed and it is easy to see why NBC was less than thrilled with it. It is quality work but it is way too real for the American viewing public. Most police procedurals are fantasies where the law and order is maintained and evil-doers are found and punished with everything tied up with a neat little bow in 48 minutes. All the top shows, the CSIs, the NCISs, the Law and Orders, maintain the status quo and assure a scared and frightened viewership that all is right with the world. Big brother is not only watching; he is looking out for you. "Southland" is messy and chaotic and honest and shocking and surprising. It is not neat and formulaic (you have no idea what is going to happen) and it will not send you to bed with thoughts of sugarplums in your head. Even scarier than that, Regina King has whipped off her weave and goes about her business with her real hot-combed hair. Ain't no way America is ready for that. ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Oh yeah, unlike Alba, she deserves to be on the shapely list. She can make
a man's legs weak!
- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:54:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
I’m surprised nobody mentioned Monica Bellucci (Persephone in Matrix II and
Shoot 'Em Up)
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:29 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Then how does Alba and Hepburn get mentioned in that category.
As for Nigella Lawson, lord yes! That's one of the few times a woman on TV got
me to watching a show I'd otherwise not watch. Note the way the cameraman
always had to start the camera at tabletop level, then pan all the way up
Nigella's body before he got to her face? And when she would stick her finger
in some creamy or savory concoction, stick it in her mouth and say "ummm.." Oh
my goodness. She's like the Marina "Deanna Troi" Sirtis' hotter sister (and
Sirtis is hot, so that's saying a lot).
I'm not sure why Lawson left, but that Italian lady who's on Food Channel now
doesn't do it for me. Curiously, at my old job, a bunch of (white) guys and I
were discussing the Food Channel. All of them were saying the Italian lady was
incredibly hot. I said Lawson put her to shame. To a man, they all said I was
crazy...?
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:03:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Even though I think these people are sick with it, a 0.7 hip to waist ratio is
the classic 36-24-36 the Commodores sang about ("What a winning hand!").
Check out the photo of the woman with the 0.69 ratio at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist-hip_ratio
it is quite fetching (women always look bigger with their clothes off - no,
this is NOT a bad thing).
Love Nigella Lawson by the way.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
> Ha!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf"
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
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> Picking chin up off of my keyboard
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women
> with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see
> perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones
> considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related
> article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio,
> which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated
> a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that
> "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh?
> Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd
> consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My
> goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele
> Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight!
>
> So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of
> people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the
> standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele
> Obama's arms.Â
>
> At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over
> realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth
> obtaining.
>
> ***
>
>
> British women 'want to be curvy not thin'
>
> (AFP) â€" Jul 22, 2009
>
> LONDON â€" British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather
> than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according
> to a poll published Wednesday.
>
> Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75
>
Re: [scifinoir2] Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59
Tom Joyner tells a story of how he was hanging with Teddy once when the current Miss Black America was introduced to him. Teddy stood up and said, "Pleased to meet you--I'm Mr. Black America". - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:50:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59 Under 40. :) I turn 32 in April. And I like him already :D ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Oh you po' chile! You don't know the Teddy Bear??! You're under 30 aren't you? Or at least, under 40? For black folk he's easily up there with Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Gerald Levert in terms of crooning love songs that made the women melt! He was famous for doing "women's only" concerts where he literally didn't allow *any* men into the concert. The security guards would tell men who tried to crash, "You can have your woman back after Teddy's through with her". All those concerts sold out out. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:24:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59 News events like this make me sad because I didn't recognize the name. Now I will have to give his works a listen. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote: Your request is being processed... Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59 PATRICK WALTERS | 01/14/10 01:21 AM | AP digg Share this on FacebookHuffpost - stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS What's Your Reaction? Inspiring Funny Hot Scary Outrageous Amazing Weird Crazy Read More: R , Soul , Teddy Pendergrass , Teddy Pendergrass Dead , Teddy Pendergrass Dies , Entertainment News Teddy Pendergrass Get Breaking News Alerts • Share • Comments 5 PHILADELPHIA — Teddy Pendergrass, who became R&B's reigning sex symbol in the 1970s and '80s with his forceful, masculine voice and passionate love ballads and later became an inspirational figure after suffering a devastating car accident that left him paralyzed, died Wednesday at age 59. The singer's son, Teddy Pendergrass II, said his father died at a hospital in suburban Philadelphia. The singer underwent colon cancer surgery eight months ago and had "a difficult recovery," his son said. "To all his fans who loved his music, thank you," his son said. "He will live on through his music." Pendergrass suffered a spinal cord injury and was paralyzed from the waist down in the 1982 car accident. He spent six months in a hospital but returned to recording the next year with the album "Love Language." He briefly returned to the stage at the Live Aid concert in 1985, performing from his wheelchair. Pendergrass later founded the Teddy Pendergrass Alliance, an organization whose mission is to encourage and help people with spinal cord injuries achieve their maximum potential in education, employment, housing, productivity and independence, according to its Web site. Pendergrass, who was born in Philadelphia on March 26, 1950, gained popularity first as a member of Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes. In 1971, the group signed a record deal with the legendary writer/producers Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff. The group released its first single, "I Miss You," in 1972 and then released "If You Don't Know Me by Now," which was nominated for a Grammy Award. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59
I knew it! Okay, you're forgiven for not being familiar with the Teddy Bear. He hasn't been in the public eye in a major way in many years. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:50:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59 Under 40. :) I turn 32 in April. And I like him already :D ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Oh you po' chile! You don't know the Teddy Bear??! You're under 30 aren't you? Or at least, under 40? For black folk he's easily up there with Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Gerald Levert in terms of crooning love songs that made the women melt! He was famous for doing "women's only" concerts where he literally didn't allow *any* men into the concert. The security guards would tell men who tried to crash, "You can have your woman back after Teddy's through with her". All those concerts sold out out. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:24:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59 News events like this make me sad because I didn't recognize the name. Now I will have to give his works a listen. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote: Your request is being processed... Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59 PATRICK WALTERS | 01/14/10 01:21 AM | AP digg Share this on FacebookHuffpost - stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS What's Your Reaction? Inspiring Funny Hot Scary Outrageous Amazing Weird Crazy Read More: R , Soul , Teddy Pendergrass , Teddy Pendergrass Dead , Teddy Pendergrass Dies , Entertainment News Teddy Pendergrass Get Breaking News Alerts • Share • Comments 5 PHILADELPHIA — Teddy Pendergrass, who became R&B's reigning sex symbol in the 1970s and '80s with his forceful, masculine voice and passionate love ballads and later became an inspirational figure after suffering a devastating car accident that left him paralyzed, died Wednesday at age 59. The singer's son, Teddy Pendergrass II, said his father died at a hospital in suburban Philadelphia. The singer underwent colon cancer surgery eight months ago and had "a difficult recovery," his son said. "To all his fans who loved his music, thank you," his son said. "He will live on through his music." Pendergrass suffered a spinal cord injury and was paralyzed from the waist down in the 1982 car accident. He spent six months in a hospital but returned to recording the next year with the album "Love Language." He briefly returned to the stage at the Live Aid concert in 1985, performing from his wheelchair. Pendergrass later founded the Teddy Pendergrass Alliance, an organization whose mission is to encourage and help people with spinal cord injuries achieve their maximum potential in education, employment, housing, productivity and independence, according to its Web site. Pendergrass, who was born in Philadelphia on March 26, 1950, gained popularity first as a member of Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes. In 1971, the group signed a record deal with the legendary writer/producers Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff. The group released its first single, "I Miss You," in 1972 and then released "If You Don't Know Me by Now," which was nominated for a Grammy Award. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Let's Talk About Haiti's REAL Deal With The Devil: Exploitation By The Western World
i was raised a Christian and continue to follow (mostly) that faith--along with a liberal dosing of Eastern, Unitarian, etc. stuff mixed in. Attitudes like this appal me though, and makes it easy to understand why so many turn off organized religion. Let me tell you there is *nothing* in even the admittedly edited KJV of the Bible to support his statement. We need to learn and remember that religion is often a tool of the mouthpieces who spew out its tenets, and they simply color it with all their inborn racism, fears, and hatreds. Also, why is it assumed that "voodoo" is a tool of the Devil anyway? - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Chris de Morsella" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:14:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Let's Talk About Haiti's REAL Deal With The Devil: Exploitation By The Western World From: Marvalous [mailto:mmb1...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:49 AM Subject: Let's Talk About Haiti's REAL Deal With The Devil: Exploitation By The Western World http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/lets-talk-about-haitis-real-deal-devi Let's Talk About Haiti's REAL Deal With The Devil: Exploitation By The Western World. By Susie Madrak Thursday Jan 14, 2010 7:00am Just plain evil . Any time anything bad happens anywhere, Pat Robertson is right there with a "sin" to blame it on -- even if he has to make it up: The Rev. Pat Robertson is offering his own absurd explanation for why a quake hit Haiti: Many years ago, the island's people "swore a pact to the the devil." "Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it," the controversial televangelist said during an interview Wednesday on the Christian Broadcasting Network. "They were under the heel of the French ... and they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you'll get us free from the French'." Robertson continued: "True story. And so the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' They kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got themselves free. Ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after the other." Robertson went on to note that though Haiti shares the same island with the Dominican Republic, it remains desperately poor while its neighbor is "prosperous, healthy and full of resorts." "[Haitians] need to have a great turning to God, and out of this tragedy, I'm optimistic something good may come," Robertson said. The thing is, there never was any "deal with the devil" - at least, not the way Pat would lead you to believe. This is from Jean R. Gelin, Ph.D, a Haitian Christian: For quite some time now, several articles on the Internet have mentioned the existence of an iron pig statue in Port-au-Prince as a monument to commemorate Haiti’s so-called pact with the devil through Vodou. The statue would be in remembrance of a pig that was killed during the gathering by the African slaves. In an effort to know more about that rumor, I contacted several authors about the exact location of the pig statue that’s incidentally nowhere to be found in the country. Their answer was complete silence, a simple apology, or just the removal of the reference from their texts. One writer was grateful to me for pointing out the inaccuracy of her article, and she made the necessary adjustment. But I am sure that the same allusion can be found somewhere in other published pieces of writing and documents. The worst part of the whole picture is that the story is believed by many sincere Christians in America and around the world; and not only do they believe it, they also spread it as fact. The tragedy of our age is that repeated lies are often mistaken for the truth, especially when repeated long enough. But Maggie Koerth-Baker on Boing Boing finds out Haiti's real deal with the devil: Pat Robertson thinks that Haiti is poverty stricken (and earthquake-stricken) because the country made a deal with Satan to help them overthrow the French. Back in May, the Times Online provided some slightly better insight into Haiti's past. Beyond a vague assumption that Imperialism had probably screwed Haiti somehow, I didn't know much about the country's history. Reading this story has been nothing short of nauseating. Summary: Haiti was forced to pay France for its freedom. When they couldn't afford the ransom, France (and other countries, including the United States) helpfully offered high-interest loans. By 1900, 80% of Haiti's annual budget went to paying off its "reparation" debt. They didn't make the last payment until 1947. Just 10 years later, dictator François Duvalier took over the country and promptly bankrupted it, taking out more high-interest loans to pay for his corrupt lifestyle. The Duvalier family, with the blind-eye financial assistance of Western countries, kil
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Then how does Alba and Hepburn get mentioned in that category.
As for Nigella Lawson, lord yes! That's one of the few times a woman on TV got
me to watching a show I'd otherwise not watch. Note the way the cameraman
always had to start the camera at tabletop level, then pan all the way up
Nigella's body before he got to her face? And when she would stick her finger
in some creamy or savory concoction, stick it in her mouth and say "ummm.." Oh
my goodness. She's like the Marina "Deanna Troi" Sirtis' hotter sister (and
Sirtis is hot, so that's saying a lot).
I'm not sure why Lawson left, but that Italian lady who's on Food Channel now
doesn't do it for me. Curiously, at my old job, a bunch of (white) guys and I
were discussing the Food Channel. All of them were saying the Italian lady was
incredibly hot. I said Lawson put her to shame. To a man, they all said I was
crazy...?
- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn"
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:03:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Even though I think these people are sick with it, a 0.7 hip to waist ratio is
the classic 36-24-36 the Commodores sang about ("What a winning hand!").
Check out the photo of the woman with the 0.69 ratio at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist-hip_ratio
it is quite fetching (women always look bigger with their clothes off - no,
this is NOT a bad thing).
Love Nigella Lawson by the way.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
> Ha!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf"
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
> Picking chin up off of my keyboard
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women
> with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see
> perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones
> considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related
> article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio,
> which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated
> a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that
> "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh?
> Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd
> consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My
> goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele
> Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight!
>
> So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of
> people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the
> standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele
> Obama's arms.Â
>
> At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over
> realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth
> obtaining.
>
> ***
>
>
> British women 'want to be curvy not thin'
>
> (AFP) â€" Jul 22, 2009
>
> LONDON â€" British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather
> than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according
> to a poll published Wednesday.
>
> Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75
> percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn
> Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10
> dress.
>
> The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a
> growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long
> fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry.
>
> "The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years
> have changed with their figures," said Laura Bryant of the food company which
> commissioned the poll of 2,000 women.
>
> "It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding
> them back.&
Re: [scifinoir2] Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59
Oh you po' chile! You don't know the Teddy Bear??! You're under 30 aren't you? Or at least, under 40? For black folk he's easily up there with Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Gerald Levert in terms of crooning love songs that made the women melt! He was famous for doing "women's only" concerts where he literally didn't allow *any* men into the concert. The security guards would tell men who tried to crash, "You can have your woman back after Teddy's through with her". All those concerts sold out out. - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:24:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59 News events like this make me sad because I didn't recognize the name. Now I will have to give his works a listen. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote: Your request is being processed... Teddy Pendergrass Dead: Soul Singer Dies In Philadelphia At Age 59 PATRICK WALTERS | 01/14/10 01:21 AM | AP digg Share this on FacebookHuffpost - stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS What's Your Reaction? Inspiring Funny Hot Scary Outrageous Amazing Weird Crazy Read More: R , Soul , Teddy Pendergrass , Teddy Pendergrass Dead , Teddy Pendergrass Dies , Entertainment News Teddy Pendergrass Get Breaking News Alerts • Share • Comments 5 PHILADELPHIA — Teddy Pendergrass, who became R&B's reigning sex symbol in the 1970s and '80s with his forceful, masculine voice and passionate love ballads and later became an inspirational figure after suffering a devastating car accident that left him paralyzed, died Wednesday at age 59. The singer's son, Teddy Pendergrass II, said his father died at a hospital in suburban Philadelphia. The singer underwent colon cancer surgery eight months ago and had "a difficult recovery," his son said. "To all his fans who loved his music, thank you," his son said. "He will live on through his music." Pendergrass suffered a spinal cord injury and was paralyzed from the waist down in the 1982 car accident. He spent six months in a hospital but returned to recording the next year with the album "Love Language." He briefly returned to the stage at the Live Aid concert in 1985, performing from his wheelchair. Pendergrass later founded the Teddy Pendergrass Alliance, an organization whose mission is to encourage and help people with spinal cord injuries achieve their maximum potential in education, employment, housing, productivity and independence, according to its Web site. Pendergrass, who was born in Philadelphia on March 26, 1950, gained popularity first as a member of Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes. In 1971, the group signed a record deal with the legendary writer/producers Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff. The group released its first single, "I Miss You," in 1972 and then released "If You Don't Know Me by Now," which was nominated for a Grammy Award. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Haitian Ambassador Shames Pat Robertson
They'll you love to hear that Limbaugh criticized Obama for being "too slow to respond to the abortive Christmas bombing", yet yesterday noted that Obama rushed to come to Haiti's aid. Why is this bigot so revered in this country? - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:17:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Haitian Ambassador Shames Pat Robertson At work and would <3 a transcript. Think there's one available somewhere? I'll definitely want a listen when I'm home. So, so, SO sick of these sick, pathetic wastes of life who use human tragedy as an excuse to peddle their crap. It's unconscionable, inhumane...I have no words. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:32 AM, sincere1906 < sincere1...@gmail.com > wrote: Haitian Ambassador responds to Pat Robertson's claim that Haitian slaves made a "pact with the devil" 200 years ago to gain their independence- from The Rachel Maddow show. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34851879#34851879 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Mark Webb Directing The New Spider-Man?
I've said it before: the one thing I've *not* been impressed with in all the Spidey flicks is the CGI. When he web swings, that's okay. But most of his leaping, high-speed fights, aerial battles, the CGI of his enemies--it's all painfully obvious. In Spidey 2, Doc Ock's clilmbing that building with May in his tentacles looks fake. In the first flick, Spidey's rescue of the tram car looks fake. Just about everything in Spidey 3 looks fake, especialy the lame overblown final battle. I can't imagine being assailed by bad CGI and overblown action in three dimensions! - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@yahoo.com, "Cinque" Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:10:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Mark Webb Directing The New Spider-Man? Mark Webb Directing The New Spider-Man? (500) Days Of Summer man on wish list Following on from Monday's big announcement about Sony's plan to reboot Spider-Man sans Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire, talk has naturally turned to who can take over the franchise as it goes all Batman Begins . And among the current front runners? Marc Webb, the man behind successful romantic comedy drama (500) Days Of Summer . His name has apparently been bandied around for a while now, but don't go thinking that this is anywhere near a done deal: all that Deadline Hollywood has heard is that he's met with the film's producers and executives about the job and is definitely on the team's wish list. But it's a long list that includes just about every available director. Yes, James Cameron, David Fincher and even Wes Anderson are being pondered. While he might lack the experience of those big names, consider the advantages. He's a lot cheaper and has less bargaining power when it comes to following the studio's wishes than those noted auteurs. And let's not forget that Chris Nolan wasn't exactly a superhero expert when he made his first Batman movie. The one extra new wrinkle? The fact that the delay is not just because of the shake-up behind the scenes, but so that there's time to shoot it in 3D if Sony decides that's the way it wants to go. We'll have to wait and see now if Webb really does A) want the job and B) gets the megaphone, but for now, all he really has is the perfect name. You can just imagine studio types thinking of the free publicity from jokey "Webb spins Spider-Man " headlines... James White http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=26714
Re: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses
The eyes on the characters are a little creepy. I'm used to big and round from anime, but they seem to have a third dimensions, a depth, that's unsettling. It's almost as if they're puppets with eye holes carved in them. - Original Message - From: "C.W. Badie" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:35:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses Hmm...are you looking at the eyes or the storylines? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie From: Keith Johnson To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 7:05:17 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses They look a little odder than standard anime eyes to me--almost hollow or empty somehow. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:13:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses Pardon... all thumbs, sent that last too soon. Meant to add that the eyes don't throw me, personally. Used to it from anime viewing. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:51:58 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses Yeah, i couldn't get into the "Spectacular Spider-Man" toon either. Those big eyes are kinda creepy, and Peter and others seem to be a bit too small. without Raimi's control, who knows what this movie will be? :( - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:10:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses Keith, I don't even think I'll waste my time on it. I've been rewatching the last version of "Spectacular Spider-Man" on Disney XD, and it's clearly aimed at the younger crowd, not something I really want to see. Watching one ep in which SPidey was fighting basically all of his Rogues' Gallery reminded me of a single issue of ASM (can't remember which) in which Spidey was fighting someone (again, pardon me crappy memory), being beaten almost to a pulp, but never giving in. Made me a fan of his all over again. IMO, that one ish, made into a movie, would make me happy for years, if done faithfully to the text. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:32:25 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses I think the franchise was done after Spider-Man 2, for the same reasons: the studio wanted "more, more, more!", and with Spider-Man 3, crafted a bloated, FX-filled (and bad FX at that, worse than usual) monstrosity of a movie with way too many villains, a clunky script, and none of the hear and soul of the first two. Personally I've never been super crazy about the Spidey flicks as visual spectacles because the CGI has always bothered me: most of the web swinging, wall-crawling, and fights are painfully obvious CGI. It was the story, the acting, and Raimi's dedication to letting things build, instead of just throwing fights at us, that kept me involed. With 3, all the things I loved were out the door. It was almost as bad as "Wolverine: X-Men Origins", definitely as bad as X3. Raimi's return recently to his love with "Drag Me to Hell" showed he wanted to do stuff his way again. I read interviews with him where he expressed frustration with the studio just wanting to churn out product to make deadlines and pull in dollars, so am not at all surprised he's done. The only way he was going to do another flick was if the studio gave him the time and freedom to do a film the way he wanted, and that's obviously not happening. I think the next film will be just adequate, and am in no rush to see it. * * * *** Spidey Rebooted UPDATED: Raimi out! Maguire out! Vulture out! But who's in? by Scott Collura January 11, 2010 - Damn, Sam Raimi , you've made us proud. As much as we're sorry to see you go, we respect the fact that you've stuck to your guns and told Sony to stick their webs where the sun don'
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Tracey, What's your thought on this? I'm fascinated by how perceptions of beauty change and are shaped. I honestly think there's a strong racial/ethnic component. For example, as Worf suggested, even now i see more Latino and Black men who prefer curvy or "thick" women. Brothers may think the likes of Zoe Saldana are pretty, but their heads really snap around when a Kenya Moore or a Jennifer Hudson strolls by. And I can't thnk of a single black man who thinks Jessica Simpson looked better when she slimmed down for "Dukes of Hazzard", or that Scarlet Johannsen is too thick (as I read in more than one fashion mag). For Blacks, there are some obvious things, such as how black women tend to have butts and bigger legs by nature. But it's too simplistic to then say all white men like thin and shapeless women, or that white women are mostly thin, 'cause that's far from the truth. Indeed, the movie sirens of the 40s, 50s and 60--Monroe, Margaret, Welch, Taylor--were quite shapely. I see white women with killer curves every day here in Atlanta. Is it really the fashion and movie industries that push thin women so they look better in clothing? Is it the abundance of gay men in fashion (hope that's not an ignorant question). In places like France--where women are very thin in the main--what's the motivation? Is there some crazy notion that thin women represent someone who's higher class, more sytlish or more sophisticated? - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:18:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again That should be on a T-shirt J From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I was having a conversation earlier tonight about this topic. There are some guys that only want super skinny women, but MEN want a curvy woman. :) On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM, C.W. Badie < astromancer2...@yahoo.com > wrote: I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call "thick..." However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... "Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie From: Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
I have trouble thinking of Kenya Moore and Selma Hayek as "thick", but I hear you. To me, Jennifer Hudson is thick--and luscious! - Original Message - From: "C.W. Badie" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:57:35 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again I agree, Keith...what was called curvy, voluptuous, and sexy in the 50's, 60's, and 70's they now call "thick..." However, regardless of what we see or hear on tv, 'thick' women are very much preferred on the streets...no matter what race, creed or color men are... "Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie From: Keith Johnson To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:55:52 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. * * * * * * * British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. "The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures," said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. "It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back." And she added: "They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes." A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose "significantly" , from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers.
Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Ha! - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again Picking chin up off of my keyboard On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. "The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures," said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. "It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back." And she added: "They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes." A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose "significantly", from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] OT: Study Finds British Women Want Curves Again
Related to the conversation where I'd noted the Brits seem to use more women with "real" shapes (at least in "Dr. Who"). Although, even here i see perceptions have changed. I mean, in what universe is Catherine Zeta-Jones considered curvy? She's beautiful, but I'd call her slim at best. A related article I read was talking about something called the "waist-to-hip" ratio, which supposedly measures a woman's curves. It claimed a WTH of 0.7 indicated a perfect figure. Then, however, the article said that women with that "perfect figure" included Selma Hayek, Jessica Alba, and Audrey Hepburn? Huh? Hayek's got the curves, sho' 'nuff. Alba ain't anything close to what i'd consider curvacious. Fit, but not Coke-bottle curvy. And Hepburn?? My goodness, on this scale, the likes of Pam Grier, Kenya Moore, Nichele Nichols, and other classic voluptuous sisters would be considered overweight! So much of this conversation on beauty frankly ignores whole groups of people. I rarely see African American or Latina women talked about as the standards, unless it's something stupid like last year's fixation on Michele Obama's arms. At any rate, I hope this is a trend reversing, and more women the world over realize that being anorexic-looking isn't a standard of beauty worth worth obtaining. *** British women 'want to be curvy not thin' (AFP) – Jul 22, 2009 LONDON — British women hanker after a curvy hourglass body shape rather than trying to be ultra slim, preferring Kate Winslet to Kate Moss, according to a poll published Wednesday. Sixty percent admitted to being either an "apple" or "pear shape," but 75 percent said they wanted a figure like Catherine Zeta-Jones or Marilyn Monroe, against only 10 percent who wanted to squeeze into a slim size 10 dress. The findings reflect changing attitudes in Britain -- where obesity is a growing problem -- among women tired of the so-called Size Zero culture long fuelled by advertising and the fashion industry. "The report shows that women's attitudes to slimming over the last 50 years have changed with their figures," said Laura Bryant of the food company which commissioned the poll of 2,000 women. "It seems British women have lost their waists but now they are demanding them back." And she added: "They are more concerned about getting a curvy hourglass shape like their grandmothers instead of being the perfect size 10 which shows a marked shift in attitude from the 80s and 90s, when success and failure when slimming was benchmarked against fitting into certain sized clothes." A top-10 list of female celebrities whose shape inspired women was topped by buxom TV cook Nigella Lawson and actresses Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, and Joanna Lumley. The findings might raise eyebrows in neighbouring France, which has the highest proportion of clinically underweight women in Europe, according to a study published in April. Only half of those French women think they are thin, said the study, noting that in Britain, Spain and Portugal, the number of women who see themselves as seriously skinny easily outstrips the number who actually are. A study last December found that one in three adults in England will be obese by the time London hosts the 2012 Olympics. Between 1993 and 2004 the proportion of obese people rose "significantly", from almost 13.6 percent to 24 percent among men and from almost 17 percent to 24.4 percent among women, according to University College London researchers.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink
Now that I think of it, I think Eccleston's Doctor was first shown on the Tardis looking at himself as if for the first time. I seem to remember him commenting on the fact that he had rather large ears. So maybe he had just gotten a new body when the series aired. - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:12:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Really? Eccleston's the first Doctor I ever watched. So, when he was introduced and met Rose, had he just popped in from this war? - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:50:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Nah, that would be McGann's Doctor, and it's assumed those events forced him to regenerate into Eccleston's Doctor. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Is Eccleston's Doctor the incarnation that fought the battle with the Daleks in which so many died? And, I'm a bit confused now. "When" was that apocalyptic battle fought, in our past or future? Also, I thought all the Daleks were annihilated, and the Time Lords too. The Tennant ep however, seems to indicate the Time Lords didn't die, just were shifted outside of our spacetime into a kind of limbo? Did the Doctor kill all the Daleks? Did he strand his own people in limbo? And was his home world destroyed? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:02:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink It was, Keith. And Eccleston did the ep that's managed to place itself among "Logopolis", "Blink", "Silence in the Library" and "Doomsday" as a favorite, "The End of the World". When the plant lady recognized the Doctor as a Time Lord and said so, the look in his eyes, guilt, agony and sadness all tied up in one bundle -- *priceless*. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:03:16 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Do yourself a favor and check out Eccleston's stuff. He was very good. Full of barely controlled rage and stupefying sadness was he. I think he was the Doctor in a really good, creepy two-parter in which people get infected and have their faces literally turn into WWI era gas masks! Then they go around aksing people "Are you my mommy? I can't find my mommy." Creeepy! I think that's the show that introduced Captain Jack. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:05:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I never saw any of the Eccleston episodes (Tom Baker is my Doctor) as I did not rejoin the series until Freema Agyeman joined the cast as the new companion, Martha Jones. During the New Year's Day Marathon, I saw snippets of Eccleston in the Inside the TARDIS episode. Love the leather jacket. I will have to add that season to my Netflix queue. By the by, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing all the David Tennant episodes, especially those with Billie Piper. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: > > Eccleston was my Favorite, but some how Tennant got me too. I found parts of > the finale weak, but Tenneant performance was outstanding. I’m gonna miss > him > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Keith Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:40 AM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > > > > > > > > Tracey, that is good news. I had no idea the guy behind "Blink" is the new > showrunner. That bodes well. The new Doctor has
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week
yeah, I hear you. You know, the problem is, the way the networks air shows is contributing to the deterioration of the standard audience viewing patterns of decades past, and then the deterioration of those viewing patterns makes the networks think it's okay the way they're changing things. I remember--and miss--the old days when a show got a solid 26 - 28 eps, aired all new shows for an entire season, then ran reruns during the summer. Nowadays shows might get canceled after four eps, a successful run is maybe a dozen shows, and reruns often start within two months of the season premiere. Throw in this new concept of two mini-seasons (a season 1.0, and a season 1.5 starting in January, for example), and it makes it very very difficult to watch many series with regularity. The days of a family being able to sit together to watch a show at the same time every week for weeks on end are fast ending. And that makes people either get lost, lose interest, or accumulate a whole hell of a lot of stuff on DVR. i know some people now who, because of all this rerunning and season breaks, don't even watch series until all are finally aired months after premiere. That's what happened to me with "Lost". They kept rerunning shows after airing only two or three new eps, moved catch up shows to odd days, and introduced those interminable mid-season breaks. It became too difficult for me to keep up, and I just said the hell with it. I *like* the concept of watching the same show at the same time every week, but fear that's fading... - Original Message - From: "bruce harden" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:06:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week man give lost a new chance. you can rent seasons now start with mid 3rd or when the 5 get back home and then it'll carry you .It's definitely got it's second wind back. As for the big "3" I fell in love with cable because they will play new episodes more than once. just come in late and there it is again. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Yeah, I've long advocated that. It's like the telenovella's done in Mexico. They have built in expiration dates. JMS did that with Babylon 5 as well. It was always planned to last five years. I said many times this model should have been used for "Lost". Good show, but it dragged on so many years--especially with these new crappy half seasons--that I lost track and interest. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week "...not to change the subject, but I think they could make better tv shows by giving them a finite run...like a novel for tv?" Wisdom, pure and simple. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:01:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week Dollhouse is still around but I can see it's running out of steam...not to change the subject, but I think they could make better tv shows by giving them a finite run...like a novel for tv? That way, the original plot doesn't get beat to crap dumb stuff in between the good ideas...Oh let me stop...they'll never do it...It makes too much sense...Hi, guys! "Such music flows on the Fringe and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie From: B Smith < daikaij...@yahoo.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 2:48:13 PM Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Southland" and "Leverage" on TNT this week The Big 4 still act like they rule the airwaves and viewers don't have choices. They are their own worst enemies. It's sad when good shows never get a chance to grow an audience. The Jay Leno experiment and cost cutting also hurt network drama too. Think about all the interesting shows that got the axe in the last few years: Dirty Sexy Money Southland The Unusuals Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Dollhouse Life On Mars Journeyman My Own Worst Enemy And what were the hits that replaced them? Right. Some weren't great but all had potential and had a core audience that enjoyed them. So
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink
Really? Eccleston's the first Doctor I ever watched. So, when he was introduced and met Rose, had he just popped in from this war? - Original Message - From: "Adrianne Brennan" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:50:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Nah, that would be McGann's Doctor, and it's assumed those events forced him to regenerate into Eccleston's Doctor. ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Is Eccleston's Doctor the incarnation that fought the battle with the Daleks in which so many died? And, I'm a bit confused now. "When" was that apocalyptic battle fought, in our past or future? Also, I thought all the Daleks were annihilated, and the Time Lords too. The Tennant ep however, seems to indicate the Time Lords didn't die, just were shifted outside of our spacetime into a kind of limbo? Did the Doctor kill all the Daleks? Did he strand his own people in limbo? And was his home world destroyed? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:02:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink It was, Keith. And Eccleston did the ep that's managed to place itself among "Logopolis", "Blink", "Silence in the Library" and "Doomsday" as a favorite, "The End of the World". When the plant lady recognized the Doctor as a Time Lord and said so, the look in his eyes, guilt, agony and sadness all tied up in one bundle -- *priceless*. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:03:16 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink Do yourself a favor and check out Eccleston's stuff. He was very good. Full of barely controlled rage and stupefying sadness was he. I think he was the Doctor in a really good, creepy two-parter in which people get infected and have their faces literally turn into WWI era gas masks! Then they go around aksing people "Are you my mommy? I can't find my mommy." Creeepy! I think that's the show that introduced Captain Jack. - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo.com > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:05:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I never saw any of the Eccleston episodes (Tom Baker is my Doctor) as I did not rejoin the series until Freema Agyeman joined the cast as the new companion, Martha Jones. During the New Year's Day Marathon, I saw snippets of Eccleston in the Inside the TARDIS episode. Love the leather jacket. I will have to add that season to my Netflix queue. By the by, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing all the David Tennant episodes, especially those with Billie Piper. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: > > Eccleston was my Favorite, but some how Tennant got me too. I found parts of > the finale weak, but Tenneant performance was outstanding. I’m gonna miss > him > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Keith Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:40 AM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink > > > > > > > > > Tracey, that is good news. I had no idea the guy behind "Blink" is the new > showrunner. That bodes well. The new Doctor has very blocky features, almost > like a caveman, and is a big guy to boot. Quite a change, but that's the > idea, eh? I still miss Chris Eccleston in the role. His Doctor had such a > dark , pained side, he was borderline menacing at times. Is he the Doctor who > directly jumped from the final battle with the Daleks where untold millions > died? > > > > What did you think about Tennant's final moments as the Doctor? I was > surprised to see him go not quietly i
Re: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses
They look a little odder than standard anime eyes to me--almost hollow or empty somehow. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:13:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses Pardon... all thumbs, sent that last too soon. Meant to add that the eyes don't throw me, personally. Used to it from anime viewing. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:51:58 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses Yeah, i couldn't get into the "Spectacular Spider-Man" toon either. Those big eyes are kinda creepy, and Peter and others seem to be a bit too small. without Raimi's control, who knows what this movie will be? :( - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:10:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses Keith, I don't even think I'll waste my time on it. I've been rewatching the last version of "Spectacular Spider-Man" on Disney XD, and it's clearly aimed at the younger crowd, not something I really want to see. Watching one ep in which SPidey was fighting basically all of his Rogues' Gallery reminded me of a single issue of ASM (can't remember which) in which Spidey was fighting someone (again, pardon me crappy memory), being beaten almost to a pulp, but never giving in. Made me a fan of his all over again. IMO, that one ish, made into a movie, would make me happy for years, if done faithfully to the text. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:32:25 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Sam Raimi Finally Returns to His Senses I think the franchise was done after Spider-Man 2, for the same reasons: the studio wanted "more, more, more!", and with Spider-Man 3, crafted a bloated, FX-filled (and bad FX at that, worse than usual) monstrosity of a movie with way too many villains, a clunky script, and none of the hear and soul of the first two. Personally I've never been super crazy about the Spidey flicks as visual spectacles because the CGI has always bothered me: most of the web swinging, wall-crawling, and fights are painfully obvious CGI. It was the story, the acting, and Raimi's dedication to letting things build, instead of just throwing fights at us, that kept me involed. With 3, all the things I loved were out the door. It was almost as bad as "Wolverine: X-Men Origins", definitely as bad as X3. Raimi's return recently to his love with "Drag Me to Hell" showed he wanted to do stuff his way again. I read interviews with him where he expressed frustration with the studio just wanting to churn out product to make deadlines and pull in dollars, so am not at all surprised he's done. The only way he was going to do another flick was if the studio gave him the time and freedom to do a film the way he wanted, and that's obviously not happening. I think the next film will be just adequate, and am in no rush to see it. ** Spidey Rebooted UPDATED: Raimi out! Maguire out! Vulture out! But who's in? by Scott Collura January 11, 2010 - Damn, Sam Raimi , you've made us proud. As much as we're sorry to see you go, we respect the fact that you've stuck to your guns and told Sony to stick their webs where the sun don't shine. That's right, folks. Sam Raimi has left the Spider-Man franchise, which essentially means that Spider-Man 4 is no more and the wallcrawler is now getting a from-scratch reboot from the studio instead. Tobey Maguire is also done with the red and blue suit, and in fact Sony is saying ( via Twitter ) that the reboot will go back to high school with the character and be released in 2012. Deadline Hollywood 's Nikki Finke had the story first, saying that "Mike Fleming and I have just confirmed that Sony Pictures decided today to reboot the Spider-Man franchise after franchise director Sam Raimi pulled out of Spider-Man 4 because he felt he couldn't make its summer release date and keep the film's creative integrity. This means that Raimi and the cast including star Tobey Maguire are out. There will be no Spider-Man 4 . Instead, Mike Fleming is told, the studio will focus on a reboot script by Jamie Vanderbilt with a new director and a new cast. All this took place ... at [a] meeting on the lot today." DH goes on to say that Raimi insisted he couldn't make Sony's date or "
Re: [scifinoir2] McGwire Publicly Admits to Steroid Use
wow... - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:07:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] McGwire Publicly Admits to Steroid Use Not I, Keith. Might muster a bit for him on the day his ehalth goes into a tailspin because of the repeated usage of that crap. I take far weaker steroids for my respiratory condition, and it's messed me up badly. Some days, I can barely hold a pencil or walk a straight line. I may have to surrender my driver's license if I don't show some normalization. The stuff he and others pump into themselves is TOXIC. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:52:54 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] McGwire Publicly Admits to Steroid Use Thanks. ESPN has been discussing and rerunning excerpts from McGwire's tearful confession all day. I actually feel a bit sorry for the guy... - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:13:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] McGwire Publicly Admits to Steroid Use LMNAOSMIH (So Much It Hurts) "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:06:25 + Subject: [scifinoir2] McGwire Publicly Admits to Steroid Use Shocking, unfathomable, earth-shattering, completely unexpected, surprising beyond belief! And, in related news: Rush Limbaugh tearfully admits to being an ignorant, backwater racist... Whitney Houston slurs confession that she hasn't *quite* kicked the habit... George Bush II laughs that he never did care about no weapons of mass destruction... Michael Steele proclaims, "I wish more white people thought of *me* as a "good, safe 'Negro'!" Simon Cowell overheard saying, "no one with any real talent ever came out of 'American Idol'"... Tiger Woods states in interview "I think I have some issues with my skin color".. Dick Cheney relates that he hates--everyone... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4816607 NEW YORK -- Mark McGwire finally came clean, admitting he used steroids when he broke baseball's home run record in 1998. McGwire said in a statement sent to The Associated Press on Monday that he used steroids on and off for nearly a decade. During a 20-minute telephone interview shortly afterward, his voice repeatedly cracked. "It's very emotional, it's telling family members, friends and coaches, you know, it's former teammates to try to get a hold of, you know, that I'm coming clean and being honest," he said. "It's the first time they've ever heard me, you know, talk about this. I hid it from everybody." McGwire said he called commissioner Bud Selig and Cardinals manager Tony La Russa earlier in the day to personally apologize. In an interview with ESPN's "Baseball Tonight", La Russa said he didn't know McGwire had used steroids until the slugger had admitted using performance-enhancing drugs in the phone call to the manager earlier Monday. "I'm really encouraged that he would step forward," La Russa told ESPN. "As we go along his explanations will be well received." Selig, in a statement released by Major League Baseball on Monday, said he was pleased with McGwire's admission. "I am pleased that Mark McGwire has confronted his use of performance-enhancing substances as a player. Being truthful is always the correct course of action, which is why I had commissioned Senator George Mitchell to conduct his investigation. This statement of contrition, I believe, will make Mark's re-entry into the game much smoother and easier," Selig said. McGwire said he also used human growth hormone, and he didn't know if his use of performance-enhancing drugs contributed to some of the injuries that led to his retirement, at age 38, in 2001. "That's a good question," he said. He repeatedly expressed regret for his decision to use steroids, which he said was "foolish" and caused by his desire to overcome injuries, get back on the field and prove he was worth his multimillion salary. "You don't know that you'll ever have to talk about the skeleton in your closet on a national level," he said. "I did this for health purposes. There's no way I did this for any type of strength use." McGwire hit a then-record 70 homers in 1998 during a compelling race with Sammy Sosa , who finished with 66. More than anything else, the home-run spree revitalized baseball follo
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink
yeah, me too. Glad to see Mickey grow from the near coward he used to me. - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:06:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink The beard threw your off. I liked Martha and Mickey together From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:53 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink That *was* Mickey! I need new glasses... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:26:14 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I didn't watch the era with Martha on first run, so the effect wasn't the same on me. But I remember the comments, and I was a bit dismayed at how quickly she lost her mind for the Doctor. I'm really glad they gave her a black husband at the end of the Tennant ep--Rose's ex Mickey! And by the way, I've long noticed the Brits seem to be more comfortable and organic in putting black and white couples together than Americans. how many IR couples has Dr. Who shown? I remember the movie "Love Actually", Keira Knightley's character married Chewotel Edjifor (sp) and it was no biggie. Donna was engaged to a black man when introduce, and married another when Tennant took his leave. - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:12:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink That is exactly why I liked her. You have to remember, many of us took issue with how they developed Martha to have unrequited love for the doctor, started rumors that her character was leaving, then they denied them, only to have her leave. That would not put the replacement in a very good spot. I will give them credit for having Martha leave with a band, that trek across the world for a year stuff was pretty powerful stuff From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:08 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I liked Donna from the start. Loudmouthed, abrasive, pushy, she was, on closer examination, rather sweet and vulnerable inside. She really was someone who just wanted more out of life, and covered her pain with a tough exterior. She had me from the moment she got on the Tardis--full of gratitude--then took the Doctor to task for his callousness at times. Unlike Rose and Martha, who too quickly lapsed into having schoolgirl crushes on the awesomeness of the Doctor, Donna looked askance at him, as if she finally realized he really was an alien. She often gave him a start with her observations on his behaviour. I think that the way Rose's sweetness and Martha's pluck reminded him of what's important in being human--or humane--Donna's caustic nature reminded him to quit being so detached and get off his duff. They feathered him with kisses, Donna gave him swift kicks to remind him about what matters. - Original Message - From: "Tracey de Morsella" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:58:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink The character who surprised me was Donna. I was a Donna hater, from the minute that they announced her as Martha's replacement. See is not my favorite, but she did grow on me -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink I never saw any of the Eccleston episodes (Tom Baker is my Doctor) as I did not rejoin the series until Freema Agyeman joined the cast as the new companion, Martha Jones. During the New Year's Day Marathon, I saw snippets of Eccleston in the Inside the TARDIS episode. Love the leather jacket. I will have to add that season to my Netflix queue. By the by, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing all the David Tennant episodes, especially those with Billie Piper. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: > > Eccleston was my Favorite, but some how Tennant got me too. I found parts of > the finale weak, but Tenneant performance was outstanding. I’m gonna miss > him &
