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To everyone who's been trying to lure me into see this -- *that's* the bait. Even though McCoy never uttered that line, I still quote it when apropos in real life. I just night have to go, just for that thrill. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 19:31:00 -0400 From : Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I'm sorry, you'll have to find out for yourself. Justin On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: That's one constant I've been hearing in every review I've heard from people who've seen this, that Urban's McCoy was truly a thing of beauty. One guy I know even called it channeling DeForrest Kelley. Spoil one thing for me, though. Does Urban-as-McCoy say The Line? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 17:13:27 - From : B. Smith To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well I'm late to the party but I have to say that I really, really, really enjoyed the new movie. It was definitely a good time at the movies and it delivered in a big way. The people in the theater actually applauded at the end the movie. I think all of the main actors did really well in their roles with the exception of Eric Bana who was sort of just there. The biggest surprise for me was Karl Urban taking the McCoy role and running with it. Simon Pegg was hilarious as Scotty. Chris Pine was a fun, rakish young Kirk. I liked Zachary Quinto's take on a younger less in control Spock. Zoe Saldana did a lot with her role and the Spock-Uhura romance made sense in the altered timeline. One of my favorite bits was the scene with Kirk and Uhura's roomate. That got a huge audience reaction. The fate of the Kelvin was an epic opening scene. And seeing the Enterprise in space the first time was gretted with cheers of joy. One plot point I loved was that: S P O I E R S B E L O W Kirk's altered timeline was merely a side effect of Nero's quest to hurt Spock for the destruction of Romulus. And I have to say seeing Kirk come onto the bridge in the gold tunic at the end was just awesome. I marked out like a little kid when I saw that. I had my concerns about what Abrams and Co. were going to so but they knocked out of the park. I'll definitely watch it again. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal wrote: Okay, Martin, I was with you all the way up to the Gabrielle Union in the old school Uhura uniform comment but, to paraphrase Ozzie Osbourne, you have just taken a ride on the bloody crazy train! (Uh, gentlemen, that Gabrielle Union home delivery of the DVD IS something I might be interested in!) ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : C’mon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM Martin: Why can’t you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude
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Martin, when u going? i need 2 see it again, so i will tag along with u. Fate. --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 8:01 AM To everyone who's been trying to lure me into see this -- *that's* the bait. Even though McCoy never uttered that line, I still quote it when apropos in real life. I just night have to go, just for that thrill. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 19:31:00 -0400 From : Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I'm sorry, you'll have to find out for yourself. Justin On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: That's one constant I've been hearing in every review I've heard from people who've seen this, that Urban's McCoy was truly a thing of beauty. One guy I know even called it channeling DeForrest Kelley. Spoil one thing for me, though. Does Urban-as-McCoy say The Line? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 17:13:27 - From : B. Smith To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Well I'm late to the party but I have to say that I really, really, really enjoyed the new movie. It was definitely a good time at the movies and it delivered in a big way. The people in the theater actually applauded at the end the movie. I think all of the main actors did really well in their roles with the exception of Eric Bana who was sort of just there. The biggest surprise for me was Karl Urban taking the McCoy role and running with it. Simon Pegg was hilarious as Scotty. Chris Pine was a fun, rakish young Kirk. I liked Zachary Quinto's take on a younger less in control Spock. Zoe Saldana did a lot with her role and the Spock-Uhura romance made sense in the altered timeline. One of my favorite bits was the scene with Kirk and Uhura's roomate. That got a huge audience reaction. The fate of the Kelvin was an epic opening scene. And seeing the Enterprise in space the first time was gretted with cheers of joy. One plot point I loved was that: S P O I E R S B E L O W Kirk's altered timeline was merely a side effect of Nero's quest to hurt Spock for the destruction of Romulus. And I have to say seeing Kirk come onto the bridge in the gold tunic at the end was just awesome. I marked out like a little kid when I saw that. I had my concerns about what Abrams and Co. were going to so but they knocked out of the park. I'll definitely watch it again. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, ravenadal wrote: Okay, Martin, I was with you all the way up to the Gabrielle Union in the old school Uhura uniform comment but, to paraphrase Ozzie Osbourne, you have just taken a ride on the bloody crazy train! (Uh, gentlemen, that Gabrielle Union home delivery of the DVD IS something I might be interested in!) ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : C’mon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM
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Forgive the implication, Exalted List Goddess -- ne'er shall this one stray. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:16:46 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com You ain’t allowed to leave, so forget that. Keep griping--- many of us empathize From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:22 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* sin speaks naught but truth to power. In a couple of other forums I post in, such a discussion, gone to the points we've taken it so far, would've resulted in several users leaving in disgust, after flinging death threats. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 21:03:28 - From : sincere1906 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com But this is scifinoir...where we can get into convulted arguments about everything from individuality and consciousness in the Borg to whether Balrogs have wings. That's what makes this little reality Tracey created for us so special--cuz we can't do so in most other places. And fear not, I'm not asking anyone to be divided by loyalties nor am I stewing in prejudice (?) and/or nostalgia. lol Just having a lively discussion... :) Sin/Black Galactus --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Meta wrote: I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a convoluted argument about Trek loyalties. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb wrote: Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands
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I'm sorry, you'll have to find out for yourself. Justin On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: That's one constant I've been hearing in every review I've heard from people who've seen this, that Urban's McCoy was truly a thing of beauty. One guy I know even called it channeling DeForrest Kelley. Spoil one thing for me, though. Does Urban-as-McCoy say The Line? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 17:13:27 - From : B. Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well I'm late to the party but I have to say that I really, really, really enjoyed the new movie. It was definitely a good time at the movies and it delivered in a big way. The people in the theater actually applauded at the end the movie. I think all of the main actors did really well in their roles with the exception of Eric Bana who was sort of just there. The biggest surprise for me was Karl Urban taking the McCoy role and running with it. Simon Pegg was hilarious as Scotty. Chris Pine was a fun, rakish young Kirk. I liked Zachary Quinto's take on a younger less in control Spock. Zoe Saldana did a lot with her role and the Spock-Uhura romance made sense in the altered timeline. One of my favorite bits was the scene with Kirk and Uhura's roomate. That got a huge audience reaction. The fate of the Kelvin was an epic opening scene. And seeing the Enterprise in space the first time was gretted with cheers of joy. One plot point I loved was that: S P O I E R S B E L O W Kirk's altered timeline was merely a side effect of Nero's quest to hurt Spock for the destruction of Romulus. And I have to say seeing Kirk come onto the bridge in the gold tunic at the end was just awesome. I marked out like a little kid when I saw that. I had my concerns about what Abrams and Co. were going to so but they knocked out of the park. I'll definitely watch it again. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal wrote: Okay, Martin, I was with you all the way up to the Gabrielle Union in the old school Uhura uniform comment but, to paraphrase Ozzie Osbourne, you have just taken a ride on the bloody crazy train! (Uh, gentlemen, that Gabrielle Union home delivery of the DVD IS something I might be interested in!) ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : C’mon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM Martin: Why can’t you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against without having seen it. Seriously. God that movie was GREAT. Bosco --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To:
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And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminating povert! y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th century. Can't see them however debating the philosophical merits of the prime directive. My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before
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Sin, i see your points and to a point i agree. the new movie does change a couple of class trek eps. AMOK Time and Children of the Gods being the first to that come 2 mind. then it was the ep - which i am sorry i cannot remember the name, but the one when Sarek and Amanda beam onto the enterprise and kirk says to spock Mr. Spock, we will be in orbit a couple of hours. If you want to beam down and see your parents, that will be o.k. then spock looks at kirk and says Ambassordor Sarek and his wife, are my parents. that was kool as hell too! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:55 AM That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1906@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. F! or the first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry' s vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?! ? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminating! poverty, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era the way we would at someone stepped out
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Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminating povert! y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era the way we
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IMAX seats, thank you! On May 10, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Justin Mohareb wrote: Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles-- even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminating povert! y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
I can adapt. Have nostalgia for those parts of our past , while embracing something ,new and DIFFERENT in the now. However, I empathize with those who cannot. Change is hard. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Mohareb Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminat ing povert! y, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
You guys know my heart skips a beat when you guys call me Exalted List Goddess, so it is particularly touching on mother's day. Thanks. I'm thrilled everyone is returning home today..and even more thrilled that we have some active new blood Thank you for the cool Mother's day wishes -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Tracey! I was just thinking to myself: where IS our Exalted List Goddess during all this lively conversation? I hope this Mother's Day finds you in good health and proud of your list children (even the one's too old to still be at home - like me!). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Wow everybody is turning back in to comment on this one. Adrianne, Aubrey, Marian, Galacticus, Justin, etc Did I leave anyone out? It's good to hear from everyone Tracey From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:16 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Tracey, you should change your post-name to that. Truth in advertising, after all... ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:45:00 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com You guys know my heart skips a beat when you guys call me Exalted List Goddess, so it is particularly touching on mother's day. Thanks. I'm thrilled everyone is returning home today..and even more thrilled that we have some active new blood Thank you for the cool Mother's day wishes -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ravenadal Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Tracey! I was just thinking to myself: where IS our Exalted List Goddess during all this lively conversation? I hope this Mother's Day finds you in good health and proud of your list children (even the one's too old to still be at home - like me!). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: Wow everybody is turning back in to comment on this one. Adrianne, Aubrey, Marian, Galacticus, Justin, etc Did I leave anyone out? It's good to hear from everyone Tracey From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:16 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main
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Me too. I think this type of discourse is part of the fun of the list. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sincere1906 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2f009 2:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* But this is scifinoir...where we can get into convulted arguments about everything from individuality and consciousness in the Borg to whether Balrogs have wings. That's what makes this little reality Tracey created for us so special--cuz we can't do so in most other places. And fear not, I'm not asking anyone to be divided by loyalties nor am I stewing in prejudice (?) and/or nostalgia. lol Just having a lively discussion... :) Sin/Black Galactus --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Meta hett...@... wrote: I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a convoluted argument about Trek loyalties. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ wrote: Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1906@ To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into
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I griped all through Voyager and Enterprise, but I still watch them both and on occasion gripe. I griped at first about Battlestar 2 and came to love it and now I'm ambivalent...sigh - you know if they will have me in reruns and Caprica. I have not seen this Trek. Next Friday--- can't wait. However, when I heard about all the changes, I decided to see it as different but similar. I'm sure I will gripe, but I doubt I will do so to the point of rejection.. simply longing.. I think we have to accept that the old trek universe is part of the past far as the new movies are concern and be happy for lots and lots of trek syndication. We Farscape fans should be so lucky -Original Message- I From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sincere1906 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:16 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* LOL You're right Tracey. Griping can be fun! When I become an old man, I plan on being a master griper. I'm practicing now! :) One point of contention however, I don't know if this is about being a traditionalist or whether one can adapt--at least not for me. I liked the old Star Trek I watched in syndication as a kid. I was all open eyes for Next Gen, and followed it thru my teenage to early adult years. I signed up for Deep Space Nine and Voyager. I endured Enterprise. I saw every movie. Read some books. I adapted repeatedly. Did I gripe? Oh yeah. Usually I griped at what I thought were wack storylines or bad episodes. With Enterprise I just griped at what I considered bland storytelling, though they began to make up for that with aspects of the Xindi war. So change in the Trek Universe--I think I can adapt to that fine. I can even adapt I think to alternate timelines/realities (Mirror, Mirror/Yesterday's Enterprise/Parallels), which I usually find exciting. My issues with this good movie (because I'm saying off the bat, it's a good movie) are about the deeper principles that lie behind what Trek is, what tied all those previous incarnations (good and/or bad) together. From the product placements to Kirk's almost going through the motions in citing Federation compassion towards the enemy at the end, this just didn't feel like Trek, which I have accepted previously in all its adaptations. It looked like Trek, it had the characters, it had familiar names--but it felt like...something else. Sin/Black Galactus --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: One more thing, Do any of you remember when people torn down TNG during its premier. How about Picard. He is now among some more beloved than Kirk, yet many were prepared to start a rebellion when the series premiered. I think some of the traditionalists will eventually adapt and learn to separate enjoy and gripe. Griping can be fun From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Mohareb Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am
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With Meta in the house if we can get George and Leslie commenting as well as the new family members it will be a true star trek/scifinoir family reunion -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Meta Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:46 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a convoluted argument about Trek loyalties. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@... wrote: Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures
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I was too and my Mom wanted to marry him, but I remember there were many who initially thought the casting was way off base -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Meta Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* I was a near instance Picard fan, mainly because he was the total opposite of Kirk. If Kirk had been killed at anytime during TOS, I'd have leaped for joy.:) I really didn't like him until the movies appeared. Watching the movie today I found myself really liking this Kirk, much to my surprise.:) Quinto was outstanding,IMO. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: One more thing, Do any of you remember when people torn down TNG during its premier. How about Picard. He is now among some more beloved than Kirk, yet many were prepared to start a rebellion when the series premiered. I think some of the traditionalists will eventually adapt and learn to separate enjoy and gripe. Griping can be fun From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Mohareb Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:46 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the ! first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me
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You ain’t allowed to leave, so forget that. Keep griping--- many of us empathize From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:22 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* sin speaks naught but truth to power. In a couple of other forums I post in, such a discussion, gone to the points we've taken it so far, would've resulted in several users leaving in disgust, after flinging death threats. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 21:03:28 - From : sincere1906 sincere1...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com But this is scifinoir...where we can get into convulted arguments about everything from individuality and consciousness in the Borg to whether Balrogs have wings. That's what makes this little reality Tracey created for us so special--cuz we can't do so in most other places. And fear not, I'm not asking anyone to be divided by loyalties nor am I stewing in prejudice (?) and/or nostalgia. lol Just having a lively discussion... :) Sin/Black Galactus --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Meta wrote: I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a convoluted argument about Trek loyalties. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb wrote: Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that
