RE: CSRe: silver-
The Grandfather Clause protects the silver from the communists at the FDA. Since the FDA protect Industry without much regard for the poisons they sell to the public, they do the best they can to prevent anything that is natural and cures many problems, but cannot be patented to make a bunch of money for the mobsters - they try everything i8n the book to discourage its use. Cliff -Original Message- From: Lynn Razaitis [mailto:lyn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 10:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver- --- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 silver-digest Digest Volume 103 : Issue 688 Today's Topics: CSEbay ban of CS Re: CSRE: sick from cs Re: CSlooking for information on silica sources Re: CSEbay ban of CS Re: CSGold wire source RE: CSMagnetic Pulser Freaquency Re: CSMagnetic Pulser Freaquency CSRe CS; Silica Re: CSRE: sick from cs Re: CSGold wire source Re: CSHelena RE: CSRE: sick from cs Re: CSRE: sick from cs Re: CS Trem, Question about uS/PPM conversion CSAdditives to CS production... ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:20:32 -0400 From: Frank Key fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSEbay ban of CS List members may be interested in the response from Ebay on why they ban sales of colloidal silver. Ebay considers colloidal silver to be a controlled substance the same as narcotics. frank key --- Hello Frank, Thank you for writing eBay. I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. However, colloidal silver is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales of this production on our site. Our policy regarding such items does not mention every item specifically, if this were the case then the page would be to large and most like crash most of the web browsers that try to view it. Our policy states that we do not allow Narcotics, steroids or other controlled substances. Until further notice, this product is considered a controlled substance and not permitted on our site. For more information on this policy, please view the following link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-drug.html I wish you the best with your future transactions. Regards, Sabastian rswebh...@ebay.com eBay Community Watch __ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:20:50 -0500 From: Stuff st...@laguna.com.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: sick from cs Just what I was looking for. Re: scrubbing with the green thingy How do you clean the impurities and garbage off the green thingy to avoid contamination? I would think there is something better like, well, I can't think of anything now. Something that one doesn't use more than once. At 05:38 PM 10/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62980.html Re: CSRE: sick from cs From: Stuff Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:04:57 Does anyone know what the other 97% consists of? Mostly water and stabilizers that depend on the application. Here's some info: 4. What are H2O2 stabilizers and will they affect my application? Most commercial grades of H2O2 contain chelants and sequestrants which minimize its decomposition under normal storage and handling conditions. In some applications (e.g., copper etching or cosmetic formulations) a high degree of stabilization is needed; whereas, in others (e.g., drinking water treatment or semiconductor manufacture) product purity is more important. For most environmental applications, H2O2 stabilization does not affect product performance. The types of stabilizers used in H2O2 vary between producers and product grades. Colloidal stannate and sodium pyrophosphate (present at 25 - 250 mg/L) are the traditional mainstays, although organophosphonates (e.g., Monsanto's Dequest products) are increasingly common. Other additives may include nitrate (for pH adjustment and corrosion inhibition) and phosphoric acid (for pH adjustment). Certain end-uses - which depend on the bleaching ability of H2O2 in alkali - utilize colloidal silicate to
CSRe: concentrated CS and low ppm readings- OF THE EARLIER THREAD
Dear Ole Bob, Jason, Tony, Marshall, Trem, Everybody Thanks for all the helpful points, and I'm still something of a novice on the CS aspect of ceramic water purifiers. But I have a comment and question on the need for stirring: my understanding is that sometimes stirring is not needed, since the flask is kept at about 200oF. Wouldn't this bring about a kind of thermal stirring, dispersing the ions? Also, checking back in the literature, isn't it true that for CS that's generated with DC the only accurate procedure in the lab comes from a spectral analysis? And how does the Hanna PWT do when measuring the very small particle sizes? Much of what I've seen on list concerns the way particles get bigger with additional ppm, but doesn't the frequent polarity reversal keep the particle size down? So in this method of making concentrated CS I could have a huge percentage of small particles, of a size that will not be indicated by the Hanna PWT. To imagine that I'm getting only 2.4 ppm, for this 9:1 solution, with bright orange color, pearly irredecence and strong TE, seems just utterly absurd. Is it true that for DC generated CS the Hanna device would indicate only about 10% of true ppm? So if my 9:1 dilute is indicating 2.4 ppm it's really 24ppm. And my undiluted CS would be more like 240ppm? From what I'm seeing this kind of concentrated CS is a very different animal by comparison to the 10 to 20 ppm CS. I would be highly appreciative if someone could suggest a different kind of regime for testing ppm, ionic, particulate or whatever, CS of this very particular variety. This regime would be especially necessary to small cities, where the lab resources may be a bit limited. As usual you guys are an indespensible lifeline. Reid Ole Bob said: Hi Reid, When I introduced polarity switching about 5 years ago I did a study on swithing times but always with a 50% duty cycle. I started with 12 x 12 sec and advanced to 120 x 120 sec. I found that the 60 x 60 was the best comprise. I did sell about a dozen EZCS2 units with motorized stirring. When I fist present ed the idae of polarity switching there was resistance to it with some saying that I was blowing the oxides or something back into the CS, it has become universally used. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
-Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water Mike D. - Original Message - From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production... Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant) Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist Mike and Richard, Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment with adding much smaller quantities of baking soda to the distilled water to see if I can achieve a balance between a desirable pH and CS with a still-small particle size. Just for your information, a friend of mine experimented years ago adding minute quantities of salt, and then baking soda, to the water when he was making CS. (The sale and soda were in different batches ;) He found that salt inhibited the anti-microbial function of his CS, but the soda did not. Best, Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
- Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Hi Mike! Well said... Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm. Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ). Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production, only after! Best Regards, Jason Yet Jason, from what Mike said, adding baking soda to the CS even after production can cause the silver to form compounds. What proportion of the final solution would be compromised? I don't want to ruin it. Thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Magnetic pulser
Hey Mike.since you have had a day or two to play with your Pulser, I was wondering how it was working for you?...I have you tried it on anything?..success?...Robb I haven't tried it on me yet! sigh Too busy tinkering with other details of the alleged protocol I'm getting ready to do. However, I did re-engineer it slightly. I disassembled the coil and pulled about 20 turns off of it. That actually killed the pulse- strength a lot. The tube flash was noticably shorter however. I also shortened the wire from the unit to the coil by a couple of feet at the same time. Next I took it apart and re-worked the capacitor mod. I had put in a single 270 uF 450 volt capacitor. Seeing the suggestions from others here to use upwards of 600 uF, I took it out and reworked things so I could fit 2 of them in the available space, for a total of 540 uF. The small #8 flat washer now jumps a good foot and a half, and a 1/4 flat washer jumps a few inches. The 1/8 fender washer hardly moves at all, still. This *is* more powerful than I had originally, and I deem it adequate to use for now. In answer to your other message on this thread, I'd suggest to you that the 200 volt capacitor is beyond borderline and likely to fail -- perhaps spectacularly! I don't know how much of a safety margin they build in, but keep in mind that the circuit is a voltage doubler, and charges the cap up to at least 240 volts or so. I bought mine from Digi-Key, www.digikey.com ... They were $5.40 apiece and part # P11787-ND. You might revisit my part selection, because I think you could fit a single 600 uF (or even higher) part in the same space. (Hmmm... I should think about that.) Go to their main page and type electrolytic capacitor in their Parts Search window. Click on the resulting link, and you'll be at a fancy part selector form which you can use to browse their stock. Unfortunately you can't input a *range* of voltage or capacitance, but with enough tinkering you can find something suitable. Their P7420-ND, 680 uF, 400 V, 35mm dia x 50 long -- looks like a possibility. I'm talking about laying it on its side. The 35 mm dia fits somewhat closely between the top of the components and the roof of the case, while the length fits between the control pot and the back side of the reflector. This one might be ideal: # P11798-ND, 820 uF, 350 V, 35 mm dia x 45 mm. Comfortable margin on voltage, an easier fit end-wise, high-ish temp range. http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T033/0705.pdf I'm not comfortable cutting it as close as a 250 V part. These are better. I used 14 gauge solid wire to connect the caps snap-in terminals to the board. They're a good company. I've bought from them several times in the past. Good luck, Robb, and let me know how it goes. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEbay ban of CS
NO Ebay has banned any mention of the word. This is really arbitrary, unfair and based on total distortion and lies, but as a private entity, Ebay can do whatever it wants and doesn't have to justify a darned thing. Ode At 12:31 PM 10/5/2003 +1000, you wrote: Will Ebay allow the sales of CS generators? John in Australia - Original Message - From: mailto:pcar...@wyoming.com>sol To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: CS>Ebay ban of CS Geez, I didn't know CS was *regulated* by the FDA? Good thing I make my ownso now they are stopping sales of things they *regulate* proactively? paula - Original Message - From: mailto:fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com>Frank Key To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: CS>Ebay ban of CS Thank you for writing eBay. I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. However, colloidal silver is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales of this production on our site. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses
Ruth, et al I supply CS to a friend who uses it to soak her contacts in. She reports that she has had no instance of eye irritation since starting this and says her contacts last her about two years. She uses Ciba Durasoft 2 Lite Tint. This is very high ionic CS, no color no Tyndal effect. I don't wear contacts myself, so have no direct experience with them. Hope this helps. Al Davis - Original Message - From: Roy Thompson dra...@ezwv.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses I seem to recall being told when I first bought contacts that I shouldn't get water on them. Something about water that would cause them to discolor. Not sure how true that is though. Logic would have it that if this were true that the distilled water in CS might cause the same problem. But I really don't know for a fact how that would turn out. I just thought it might be worth mentioning. Maybe others would have more experience with using CS on their contacts. I am curious to know more about this one myself. - Original Message - From: kittykat To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 4:04 PM Subject: Re: CSCS and Soft Contact Lenses Hi Ruth - I am not a scientist, or as scientifically knowledgable as a lot of people on this list, but I would advise against using cs while the lenses are in the eyes. I read on the list a while back where a man said the dentist told him someone had filled his tooth, which wasn't the case, he was just drinking cs. If that is a possibility with the teeth, I would think it might collect on the lens and cause problems to the eyes. I could be wrong and if anyone wants to speak up, please do. But that's just my opinion. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: concentrated CS and low ppm readings- OF THE EARLIER THREAD
At 02:15 PM 10/5/2003 +0530, you wrote: Dear Ole Bob, Jason, Tony, Marshall, Trem, Everybody Thanks for all the helpful points, and I'm still something of a novice on the CS aspect of ceramic water purifiers. But I have a comment and question on the need for stirring: my understanding is that sometimes stirring is not needed, since the flask is kept at about 200oF. Wouldn't this bring about a kind of thermal stirring, dispersing the ions? Thermal stirring comes from a temperature 'differential'. The 'process' of Either heating or cooling will induce a thermal current. Just having a high or low temperature that stays constant won't. If the water is over about 120 deg F, excessive energetic motion [Brownian?] will cause the particles to collide and grow larger from the impacts. Stirring is not 'needed' but does help to overcome the effects of high current densities and , in 'effect', lowers a low current density as well. ..something about the hydration of ions in a solution..blah blah blah. [ archives..a long subject] Also, checking back in the literature, isn't it true that for CS that's generated with DC the only accurate procedure in the lab comes from a spectral analysis? And how does the Hanna PWT do when measuring the very small particle sizes? #Hanna meters do not measure particles...period. [ONLY ions..and indirectly at that] None of the meters do anything but measure conductivity. Much of what I've seen on list concerns the way particles get bigger with additional ppm, but doesn't the frequent polarity reversal keep the particle size down? ### Probably not. My idea is that the more particles and or ions that are packed in a space, the more likely they will collide and pack together especialy during and soon after production when everything is still a bit unstable. [The elements have not yet 'decided' what they will form and how. Various procedures help them make up their minds, so to speak] So in this method of making concentrated CS I could have a huge percentage of small particles, of a size that will not be indicated by the Hanna PWT. To imagine that I'm getting only 2.4 ppm, for this 9:1 solution, with bright orange color, pearly irredecence and strong TE, seems just utterly absurd. If you are getting a green CS with a dense TE, you have many many huge particles...about as big as they can get and still be called colloidal...and very few conductive ions left in the dissolved state that a meter will register on. A meter isn't a good way to measure PPM to start with and we use a 'fudge factor' to compensate within a range of PPM between about 18 to 24PPM. But that fudge factor is not a constant. The higher the concentration, the higher the fudge factor..and no one knows 'how' high. If the CS is low PPM... 3-10 PPM? with no visible TE. The reading will be more direct. But it's still counting apples to see how many banannas you have. Ode Is it true that for DC generated CS the Hanna device would indicate only about 10% of true ppm? ## Usually it's 90% of true PPM...but that depends on your CS. The greater the TE, the more 'off' it will be. So if my 9:1 dilute is indicating 2.4 ppm it's really 24ppm. And my undiluted CS would be more like 240ppm? From what I'm seeing this kind of concentrated CS is a very different animal by comparison to the 10 to 20 ppm CS. ## You bet! I would be highly appreciative if someone could suggest a different kind of regime for testing ppm, ionic, particulate or whatever, CS of this very particular variety. This regime would be especially necessary to small cities, where the lab resources may be a bit limited. ## I think you are condemmed to a wild guess. I think that even the 'average' lab is only making a educated guess. Ode As usual you guys are an indespensible lifeline. Reid Ole Bob said: Hi Reid, When I introduced polarity switching about 5 years ago I did a study on swithing times but always with a 50% duty cycle. I started with 12 x 12 sec and advanced to 120 x 120 sec. I found that the 60 x 60 was the best comprise. I did sell about a dozen EZCS2 units with motorized stirring. When I fist present ed the idae of polarity switching there was resistance to it with some saying that I was blowing the oxides or something back into the CS, it has become universally used. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEbay ban of CS
There's very little doubt in my mind that the FDA gestapo made a friendly little visit or sent a threatening letter telling ebay to back off. Why folks cave so easily is beyond ken. No pun intended. At 08:36 AM 10/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: NO Ebay has banned any mention of the word. This is really arbitrary, unfair and based on total distortion and lies, but as a private entity, Ebay can do whatever it wants and doesn't have to justify a darned thing. Ode At 12:31 PM 10/5/2003 +1000, you wrote: Will Ebay allow the sales of CS generators? John in Australia - Original Message - From: mailto:pcar...@wyoming.commailto:pcar...@wyoming.comsol To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:49 AM Subject: Re: CSEbay ban of CS Geez, I didn't know CS was *regulated* by the FDA? Good thing I make my ownso now they are stopping sales of things they *regulate* proactively? paula - Original Message - From: mailto:fr...@colloidalsciencelab.commailto:fr...@colloidalsciencelab.comFrank Key To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: CSEbay ban of CS Thank you for writing eBay. I am sorry for the confusion with this issue. However, colloidal silver is regulated by the FDA, and they have asked us not to allow the sales of this production on our site. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.htmlhttp://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour /blockquote/x-html
CSDermaSeptic Silver Ion device
Came across this in one of those airline magazines ( http://www.skymall.com ): The DermaSeptic is a microprocessor-controlled electronic anti-septic device that painlessly delivers natural anti-microbial silver ions directly to the infected tissue before the infection breaks out into an open sore...silver is a broad-spectrum anti-microbial...and has no side-effects...$99.95, battery included... http://www.dermaseptic.com/ Photo shows the 2X3X1 device being held to the model's lip. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMeasuring very high ppms
Reid, All things considered, since you are in Nepal and you are making large quantities of very high ppm CS, I think the easiest and cheapest way of determining the ppm of the solution would be the method recently suggested by Mike Monett to actually weigh the silver anode at the beginning and at the end of production and then calculate the ppm based on the weight of silver lost and the volume of water of the resultant CS. You should be able to make a large quantity of CS (several runs over a period of time) and combine the resultant brews and come up with enough silver weight loss on the anode to get a faily accurate calculation. Any reasonably sized town in Nepal will have chemists, pharmasists, or labs who would have a tripple beam balance which would probably give enough resolution for this. Just be sure to use the same balance to weigh the before and after weights. I'm sure that Mike or someone on the list would be able to give you formulas with which to make this calculation. Dan PS You lucky guy! I love Nepal... CSRe: concentrated CS and low ppm readings- OF THE EARLIER THREAD * From: Reid Harvey (view other messages by this author) * Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:31:22 Dear Ole Bob, Jason, Tony, Marshall, Trem, Everybody Thanks for all the helpful points, and I'm still something of a novice on the CS aspect of ceramic water purifiers. But I have a comment and question on the need for stirring: my understanding is that sometimes stirring is not needed, since the flask is kept at about 200oF. Wouldn't this bring about a kind of thermal stirring, dispersing the ions? Also, checking back in the literature, isn't it true that for CS that's generated with DC the only accurate procedure in the lab comes from a spectral analysis? And how does the Hanna PWT do when measuring the very small particle sizes? Much of what I've seen on list concerns the way particles get bigger with additional ppm, but doesn't the frequent polarity reversal keep the particle size down? So in this method of making concentrated CS I could have a huge percentage of small particles, of a size that will not be indicated by the Hanna PWT. To imagine that I'm getting only 2.4 ppm, for this 9:1 solution, with bright orange color, pearly irredecence and strong TE, seems just utterly absurd. Is it true that for DC generated CS the Hanna device would indicate only about 10% of true ppm? So if my 9:1 dilute is indicating 2.4 ppm it's really 24ppm. And my undiluted CS would be more like 240ppm? From what I'm seeing this kind of concentrated CS is a very different animal by comparison to the 10 to 20 ppm CS. I would be highly appreciative if someone could suggest a different kind of regime for testing ppm, ionic, particulate or whatever, CS of this very particular variety. This regime would be especially necessary to small cities, where the lab resources may be a bit limited. As usual you guys are an indespensible lifeline. Reid Ole Bob said: Hi Reid, When I introduced polarity switching about 5 years ago I did a study on swithing times but always with a 50% duty cycle. I started with 12 x 12 sec and advanced to 120 x 120 sec. I found that the 60 x 60 was the best comprise. I did sell about a dozen EZCS2 units with motorized stirring. When I fist present ed the idae of polarity switching there was resistance to it with some saying that I was blowing the oxides or something back into the CS, it has become universally used. Ole Bob -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Nenah, Please do report your results of experimenting with baking soda...I am experimenting on those lines also. paula - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water Mike D. - Original Message - From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production... Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant) Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist Mike and Richard, Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment with adding much smaller quantities of baking soda to the distilled water to see if I can achieve a balance between a desirable pH and CS with a still-small particle size. Just for your information, a friend of mine experimented years ago adding minute quantities of salt, and then baking soda, to the water when he was making CS. (The sale and soda were in different batches ;) He found that salt inhibited the anti-microbial function of his CS, but the soda did not. Best, Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for
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url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63046.html CSMeasuring very high ppms From: Dan Nave Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:16:03 Reid, All things considered, since you are in Nepal and you are making large quantities of very high ppm CS, I think the easiest and cheapest way of determining the ppm of the solution would be the method recently suggested by Mike Monett to actually weigh the silver anode at the beginning and at the end of production and then calculate the ppm based on the weight of silver lost and the volume of water of the resultant CS. You should be able to make a large quantity of CS (several runs over a period of time) and combine the resultant brews and come up with enough silver weight loss on the anode to get a faily accurate calculation. Any reasonably sized town in Nepal will have chemists, pharmasists, or labs who would have a tripple beam balance which would probably give enough resolution for this. Just be sure to use the same balance to weigh the before and after weights. I'm sure that Mike or someone on the list would be able to give you formulas with which to make this calculation. Dan PS You lucky guy! I love Nepal... Brilliant Idea, Dan. The formula is simple. ppm = mg / litre The conversion program you posted recently would be excellent for converting between the different units. The newer electronic balances can measure 1 milligram in several hundred. A good pharma distributor should have one and might let you use it. I'd strongly recommend using a constant current source to control the current. Running with constant voltage will give highly variable results due to the variations in cell conductance with changing ion concentration. The high current density you are using produces a high cell resistance. With the current you are running, the voltage across the cell probably exceeds the 37 Volt limit of LM117's. I recently posted a high compliance current source for cell voltages up to 160VDC that might help get the repeatability you need. Please see http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61896.html http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61938.html You will need a good heat sink to run above about 12mA. Good thinking, Dan. You have an excellent analytical mind. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Nenah: I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it. I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level; only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to the solution. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 4:07 AM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Hi Mike! Well said... Potassium Hydroxide can be used to raise the PH of a CS without due harm. Hydronium can be used to adjust to the acidic side ( ie for skin care products, where a more acidic ph may be desired ). Of course, I would never use either substance before or during production, only after! Best Regards, Jason Yet Jason, from what Mike said, adding baking soda to the CS even after production can cause the silver to form compounds. What proportion of the final solution would be compromised? I don't want to ruin it. Thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/03/2003
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Jason Eaton 10/5/03 10:56 AM Wrote: I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it. I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level; only a very small amount is needed Jason, I think that a more specific recipe could be justified here. to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to the solution. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My brother is canning back in the midwest and wants to know if CS would be of any benefit. I do not know. Any Help ? Tel Tofflemire Dewey , AZ. sol wrote: Nenah, Please do report your results of experimenting with baking soda...I am experimenting on those lines also. paula - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver mailto:ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water Mike D. - Original Message - From: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris yr...@cfl.rr.com mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production... Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant) Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist Mike and Richard, Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment with adding much
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
Dan, Mike, Ode, Thanks for all this, and now I feel I'm on my way. How depressing, that momentary fear I had only 24ppm! Dan, I highly appreciate your idea of weighing the annode, but appear to have two two of these, in as much as there's a lot of polarity switching, so I've got to weigh both electrodes. Some time ago someone suggested weighing precipitate, and I'd thought of doing this after inducing it with light and electromagnetic field, like a fan or whatever. But this is messy and wastes good CS. Reid Dan Nave said, Reid, All things considered, since you are in Nepal and you are making large quantities of very high ppm CS, I think the easiest and cheapest way of determining the ppm of the solution would be the method recently suggested by Mike Monett to actually weigh the silver anode at the beginning and at the end of production and then calculate the ppm based on the weight of silver lost and the volume of water of the resultant CS. You should be able to make a large quantity of CS (several runs over a period of time) and combine the resultant brews and come up with enough silver weight loss on the anode to get a faily accurate calculation. Any reasonably sized town in Nepal will have chemists, pharmasists, or labs who would have a tripple beam balance which would probably give enough resolution for this. Just be sure to use the same balance to weigh the before and after weights. I'm sure that Mike or someone on the list would be able to give you formulas with which to make this calculation. Dan PS You lucky guy! I love Nepal... Brilliant Idea, Dan. The formula is simple. ppm = mg / litre The conversion program you posted recently would be excellent for converting between the different units. The newer electronic balances can measure 1 milligram in several hundred. A good pharma distributor should have one and might let you use it. I'd strongly recommend using a constant current source to control the current. Running with constant voltage will give highly variable results due to the variations in cell conductance with changing ion concentration. The high current density you are using produces a high cell resistance. With the current you are running, the voltage across the cell probably exceeds the 37 Volt limit of LM117's. I recently posted a high compliance current source for cell voltages up to 160VDC that might help get the repeatability you need. Please see http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61896.html http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61938.html You will need a good heat sink to run above about 12mA. Good thinking, Dan. You have an excellent analytical mind. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
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Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
From: Reid Harvey
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:23:49
Dan, Mike, Ode,
Thanks for all this, and now I feel I'm on my way. How depressing, that
momentary fear I had only 24ppm! Dan, I highly appreciate your idea of
weighing the annode, but appear to have two two of these, in as much as
there's a lot of polarity switching, so I've got to weigh both
electrodes. Some time ago someone suggested weighing precipitate, and
I'd thought of doing this after inducing it with light and
electromagnetic field, like a fan or whatever. But this is messy and
wastes good CS.
Reid
Reid,
If you use a constant current generator to drive the cell, you can
use the Faraday equations to tell how much silver was liberated. In
your case, most of it forms oxides and hydroxides, which is what you
are trying to make. The equations are in a previous post.
Even though your volume of dw may change slightly during the
process, you can simply measure the final volume and get the total
ppm.
You can measure the ionic portion with the Hanna PWT when the
solution cools to room temperature, and subtract it from the value
obtained with the Faraday equations.
Trem, Frank, and Ivan have shown the conversion factor between uS
and ppm is unity over a wide range from 3.9 uS to 27 uS. Since you
are not adding any other chemicals such as salt, the reading should
hold true even though you have a lot of oxides. The PWT ignores
them.
You can download a program called Mercury that will do the
calculations for you. Here's two places you can get it:
http://www.mirror.ac.uk/collections/hensa-micros/collections/aeres/edsw/d-smath/mrcry209.zip
http://archives.math.utk.edu/software/msdos/calculus/mrcry209/.html
Now all you need are the unit conversions. Here is a useful list you
can copy to a file to use with Mercury:
Cou = I * sec ; total number of Coulombs
esec = I / 1.60217733e-19; electrons per second
gm = k * I * sec ; Faraday's equation
isin = esec / sqin ; ions per sq. in. per sec
isnm = isin / 6.45e14 ; ions per square nanometer per sec
k= 107.868 / 96485 ; Coulombs required per gram of silver
lt = 3.785 * gal ; convert gallons to litres
lt = ml / 1000 ; convert millilitres to litres
mg = gm * 1000 ; convert grams to milligrams
ml = 29.57 * oz ; convert ounce to milliliters
phr = ppm / hrs ; ppm per hour
ppm = mg / lt ; 1 ppm is 1 milligram per litre
sec = hrs * 3600 + mnt * 60 ; convert hours to seconds
uAin = 1e6 * I / sqin ; current density in uA per sq in
Append your data parameters to the list. Here's the ones I use for
Godzilla:
I= 1.544e-3 ; current
ml = 2000 ; volume of dw
mnt = 0 ; minutes
ppm = 20
sqin = 11.5 ; wetted area
When you solve the equations, you will get a list of values. Here is
the output list for the above data:
Cou = 0.001544*sec
= +35.7789149701487
I= +0.001544
sec = 3600*hrs
= +23172.8723899927
esec = +9.6368858246172E+15
gm = 0.0062141627320309*hrs
= +0.040 { = +1 / 25 }
k= +0.00111797688759911
isin = +8.3799007170584E+14
sqin = +11.500{ = +23 / 2 }
isnm = +1.29920941349743
lt = +2.000
gal = +0.52840158520476 { = +400 / 757 }
ml = +2000.0
mg = 6.2141627320309*hrs
= +40.
oz = +67.6361176868448{ = +20 / 2957 }
phr = 20/hrs
= +3.1070813660154
ppm = +20.000
hrs = +6.4369089972202
mnt = 0.
uAin = +134.260869565217{ = +3088 / 23 }
The ppm is the 4th parameter from the bottom.
Now subtract the ionic portion to obtain the amount of oxide.
If you weigh your electrodes carefully and keep track of the
calculated values for each run, you will eventually get a measurable
loss in weight.
It should correspond with the total of your calculations for each
run, within normal experimental error.
Best Regards,
Mike Monett
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Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
- Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Nenah: I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it. I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level; only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to the solution. Best Regards, Jason Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that does not adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor with baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do you use it? Many thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63053.html Re: CSMeasuring very high ppms From: Mike Monett Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:03:41 Just a note - in order to use the Faraday equations, you need to verify the current density is not so high that it produces oxygen at the anode. This will divert some of the electrons to forming gas instead of silver ions, and overestimate the ppm. However, you can measure the weight loss after a few runs and get a correction factor. Since you run at constant temperature and current, the conversion factor should hold constant. As long as the volume doesn't change significantly, which would change the wetted area and current density, which would then change the amount of gas liberated. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Re: CSAdditives to CS production... From: Jason Eaton Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:59:38 Hi Jason, This is another question on cs production. I'd like to follow up on a question about something you posted a while ago. In your post at http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60525.html you said: You'll see that long before you began experimenting with extremely low current, we had already experimented in this area, also making improvements with standing wave technology to boot. Can you tell me more about standing wave technology? What does the term mean? Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Nenah: I... used to obtain my solution from Alpha Omega Labs. It's their Hrx Solution, which I and others have used extensively over the last year or so with excellent results. To adjust the PH level of a silver solution to 7.0 only requires an extremely minute amount ( we only want to adjust the hydrogen, not add carbonate or salt into the mix, and Potassium Hydroxide is the single substance I've found that is equal to the task with CS ). For my high PH water ( ~ 10.0 - 10.5 ), I utilize distilled water, a very small amount of bentonite, and add a touch of CS. This helped greatly with my own recovery from internal acidic conditions that resulted in some minor -- if not painful -- cancer inconveniences. Sadly, the owners of Alpha Omega Labs are currently in jail, and the products I was getting ready to order have been seized by the FDA: http://www.altcancer.com And all shipments of orders suspended. While their website has been taken down, I have put it back up ( after arguing a bit with the company that sells me my bulk server space ): http://altcancer.silvermedicine.org All of the extensive data is present, minus the videos, which I have on CD and hard-drive. Sadly, every once and awhile the server failed to deliver an image, so every once and awhile one might see a broken image on their site. I'm hoping that this can be rectified when their web designer is released from federal custody. I'm certain that both the Hrx and the H3O ( hydronium ) formulations will be released for sale in the United States, once the Feds actually CHARGE Alpha Omega Labs. I found a local source for a solution, but it is inferior to the sol I'm used to getting; it's not as concentrated and thus much more expensive, plus I'm not exactly certain about their quality controls. There are quite a few companies that resell their products, and may still have some stock. Hopefully, there will be more news next week. I figure the US Federal Government cannot hold them forever without filing charges - at least without a national security seal slapped on their operations. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... - Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Nenah: I don't know about baking soda, as I've never used it. I only utilize Potassium Hydroxide in CS enough to balance the PH level; only a very small amount is needed to adjust the PH to 7.0, and according to the information I have, TEM analysis has demonstrated no adverse effects to the solution. Best Regards, Jason Wow Jason, this sounds great. Since you already have a good recipe that does not adversely affect the solution, I'd like to use yours rather than labor with baking soda. Where do you obtain Potassium Hydroxide? And how exactly do you use it? Many thanks. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 09/03/2003
CS Generator questions...
Hello group, thanks for such an informative and helpful list. I am currently making a CS generator in the hope that it will address problems with Psoriasis, so any help on that subject would be appreciated. I have several questions that the group gurus should be able to help me with. 1) Reversing the polarity at, say 60 second intervals. Is this an advisable thing to do? It is easy enough for me to implement if thought to be advantageous. 2) I have an output of ~28-30 volts, current limited. What is the ideal maximum current to limit the output to? 3) I have read where replacing one electrode with stainless steel rod in place of the silver gives good results. Comments yes/no please. 4) What is the optimum distance apart for the rods? Hey, this time last week I'd not even heard of CS! So please treat me gently :) Regards, Billy. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS added to canning?
I've added CS to creme and it lasts 3 weeks instead of 1 in my fridge. I don't see why it wouldn't help canning as well. At 02:35 PM 10/5/03, you wrote: My brother is canning back in the midwest and wants to know if CS would be of any benefit. I do not know. Any Help ? Tel Tofflemire Dewey , AZ. sol wrote: Nenah, Please do report your results of experimenting with baking soda...I am experimenting on those lines also. paula - Original Message - From: mailto:ne...@bestweb.netNenah Sylver To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:04 AM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:31 PM To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAdditives to CS production... To Nenah and others discussing this: ...Back in the early days we were taught to use a pinch of salt (NaCl) or a drop or two of salt solution in our brew vessels as a starter to get the process going more quickly. Baking soda was also a suggested alternative. The result was a process that worked at high current and very rapidly, producing large particles that often settled out after a few days or weeks. In only took a few minutes to produce a batch, and your electrodes never had a chance to collect any fluff. The recipes you found online commonly stated that you would get about 1ppm per minute. It was quite exciting to watch, in fact, with all the bubbling and whisps of stuff coming off the electrodes. A lot of people used this method for a long time, and some still do. It was the first process I learned, and I used it for a year or two. It worked and was part and parcel of the popularization of Colloidal Silver in the modern era. Generally, people started moving towards using only distilled water when they began examining the particle size issue. There was some concern that the larger particles presented an increased risk of argyria, though that effect was never demonstrated. (Of course, now there's Stan, the Senate candidate.) There was also concern that the use of a starter produced other compounds (like silver chloride or carbonate), at least in the early stages of the process, that could be harmful in and of themselves. This was never proved to be a real concern, given the low toxicity and concentration of the likely by-products. (Except in Stan's case, of course! sigh) Nonetheless, people started working to understand the process in pure distilled water, leading to countless experiments in current limiting, other voltage ranges, AC vs. DC, polarity switching, and so on. All this is somewhat apart from the issue of pH. Adding buffers to the CS *after* production will still effect the ionic portion, likely leading to some colorful displays along the way as your silver ions precipitate and agglomerate into particles of silver salts. Certainly worth study. Perhaps a way can be found to balance the pH without compromising the silver component? One other thing I can suggest, if you're interested in the utility of these methods, is that *very low* concentrations of production additives were never explored to my satisfaction. They *might* prove beneficial to ease-of-production and reproduceability with minimal impact on safety or effectiveness. Who knows, eh? For the sake of the newcomers and lurkers, please understand that for now, at least, standard practice is to use only distilled water Mike D. - Original Message - From: Richard Harris mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.comyr...@cfl.rr.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.comyr...@cfl.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSAdditives to CS production... Thanks Mike, This is exactly like I learned how to make CS and I've had no real problems, because I was told at the beginning to only use Steam distilled water. Some suggested adding a pinch of seasalt, or sodium chloride, or baking soda to speed the making. I resolved to add nothing, except a couple ounces of the previous batch, until the process was complete. In recent months, thanks to Jason's observation that adding a little H2O2 to the CS would increase it's effectiveness many fold; so I began adding 5 cc H2O2 per qt, which gave it a taste (not unpleasant) Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist Mike and Richard, Thank you for your input. If I were not concerned about pH, I would simply continue to make the CS the way I always made it. Now, I will experiment with adding much smaller quantities of baking soda to the distilled water to see if I can achieve a balance between a desirable pH and CS with a still-small particle size. Just for your information, a friend of mine experimented years ago adding minute quantities of salt, and then
Re: CS Generator questions...
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63059.html CS Generator questions... From: Billy Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:16:25 Hi Billy, Hello group, thanks for such an informative and helpful list. I am currently making a CS generator in the hope that it will address problems with Psoriasis, so any help on that subject would be appreciated. I'm not sure if it would do much, but you can search the archives for more information. Just enter a word of three letters or more in the search box at http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html There is a wealth of information avaliable on just about anything you can imagine. I have several questions that the group gurus should be able to help me with. 1) Reversing the polarity at, say 60 second intervals. Is this an advisable thing to do? It is easy enough for me to implement if thought to be advantageous. You sound technically competent - that's good! Polarity reversal has been studied extensively. The problem is it increases the chance silver ions, Ag+, will combine with hydroxyl ions, OH-, that are concentrated near the electrodes. This will reduce the ionic ppm, which many oldtimers have stated actually does the work. From my own experience with the Shingles virus, I agree. Steve Young posted a comparison on June 29, 2000, that showed a 48% drop using switching periods of 17 seconds and one minute: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m23530.html 2) I have an output of ~28-30 volts, current limited. What is the ideal maximum current to limit the output to? It depends on the current density. Above 1 mA or so, the concentration of ions in the Nernst diffusion layer is strong enough to produce lots of black silver oxide and hydroxide. This coats the electrodes and the side of the glass, and limits the maximum ionic ppm to about 10 or so. Ken's Silverpuppy runs at 615 uA/sq.in and gives good results. I use 100 uA/sq.in. or less, and sometimes get a trace of oxide on the electrodes. With good quality dw, I can get above 20 ppm calculated easily. Also, you need to minimize any sharp corners, such as at the cut end of the rod. Ken uses a U-shape that gives two parallel electrodes connected at the bottom. I took his idea and formed a W-shape to give more wetted area and reduce the current density. The current is still concentrated a bit more at the bent ends, which gives a local hot spot for the formation of oxides. I then went to spiral electrodes which have gradual bends for the risers. This improved the performance, so I can get well above 20 ppm calculated before the cs starts showing a tint. There is a slight buildup of gray silver on the cathode, but it is minor. The process is very sensitive to slight changes in ion concentration at the end. Just one or two ppm difference is all it takes to make the difference between clear cs and cs that starts showing a slight yellow tint. If you run at high current to reduce the brew time, the cell resistance will produce a voltage that is higher than the 37V limit of the typical regulators, such as LM117 and LM134. I posted an ascii design earlier for a current regulator that goes to 160V, but it's not for people who are not technically skilled and don't know how to keep from electrocuting themself. It is very similar to a design Steve Young posted a long time ago http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m29691.html But his schematic was lost when the post was archived. 3) I have read where replacing one electrode with stainless steel rod in place of the silver gives good results. Comments yes/no please. Several people have commented that silver ions have a special affinity for stainless steel. I use silver for both electrodes so I can switch them on alternate batches and equalize the wear. 4) What is the optimum distance apart for the rods? Not too critical. Most people run about 1 to 1.5 inches. It helps to keep the distance constant to minimize hot spots, so you need a sturdy mounting arrangement. I bolt mine to a plastic lid. Hey, this time last week I'd not even heard of CS! So please treat me gently ) Welcome to the list - you're going to find a lot of new friends! Regards, Billy. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
Hi Nenah, I would try the Alfa Aesar Chemical company. 1-800-343-0660. For the Potasssium Hydroxide. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Generator questions...
Hi Billy, 1. Second second intervals will work very well. 2. The current limit is set by the wet area of the anode or about 1mA per inch squared. 3. You cannot use dissimilair electrodes if you go to polarity switching. 4. Generally about 2 spacing is ok. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Generator questions...
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63061.html Re: CS Generator questions... From: Robert Berger Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:05:21 Hi Billy, 1. Second second intervals will work very well. Hi Robert, That doesn't jive with theory or Steve's data: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m23530.html Do you know of any other data posted to the archives that compare the results between polarity switching and constant polarity? Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Magnetic pulser
Thanks for all the info Mike..I'll be winding my coil tomorrow and continue looking for some suitable capsI hope I can find something.Robb - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: CS Magnetic pulser Hey Mike.since you have had a day or two to play with your Pulser, I was wondering how it was working for you?...I have you tried it on anything?..success?...Robb I haven't tried it on me yet! sigh Too busy tinkering with other details of the alleged protocol I'm getting ready to do. However, I did re-engineer it slightly. I disassembled the coil and pulled about 20 turns off of it. That actually killed the pulse- strength a lot. The tube flash was noticably shorter however. I also shortened the wire from the unit to the coil by a couple of feet at the same time. Next I took it apart and re-worked the capacitor mod. I had put in a single 270 uF 450 volt capacitor. Seeing the suggestions from others here to use upwards of 600 uF, I took it out and reworked things so I could fit 2 of them in the available space, for a total of 540 uF. The small #8 flat washer now jumps a good foot and a half, and a 1/4 flat washer jumps a few inches. The 1/8 fender washer hardly moves at all, still. This *is* more powerful than I had originally, and I deem it adequate to use for now. In answer to your other message on this thread, I'd suggest to you that the 200 volt capacitor is beyond borderline and likely to fail -- perhaps spectacularly! I don't know how much of a safety margin they build in, but keep in mind that the circuit is a voltage doubler, and charges the cap up to at least 240 volts or so. I bought mine from Digi-Key, www.digikey.com ... They were $5.40 apiece and part # P11787-ND. You might revisit my part selection, because I think you could fit a single 600 uF (or even higher) part in the same space. (Hmmm... I should think about that.) Go to their main page and type electrolytic capacitor in their Parts Search window. Click on the resulting link, and you'll be at a fancy part selector form which you can use to browse their stock. Unfortunately you can't input a *range* of voltage or capacitance, but with enough tinkering you can find something suitable. Their P7420-ND, 680 uF, 400 V, 35mm dia x 50 long -- looks like a possibility. I'm talking about laying it on its side. The 35 mm dia fits somewhat closely between the top of the components and the roof of the case, while the length fits between the control pot and the back side of the reflector. This one might be ideal: # P11798-ND, 820 uF, 350 V, 35 mm dia x 45 mm. Comfortable margin on voltage, an easier fit end-wise, high-ish temp range. http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T033/0705.pdf I'm not comfortable cutting it as close as a 250 V part. These are better. I used 14 gauge solid wire to connect the caps snap-in terminals to the board. They're a good company. I've bought from them several times in the past. Good luck, Robb, and let me know how it goes. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
- Original Message - From: Jason Eaton ey...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: CSAdditives to CS production... Hi Nenah: To adjust the PH level of a silver solution to 7.0 only requires an extremely minute amount ( we only want to adjust the hydrogen, not add carbonate or salt into the mix, and Potassium Hydroxide is the single substance I've found that is equal to the task with CS ). For my high PH water ( ~ 10.0 - 10.5 ), I utilize distilled water, a very small amount of bentonite, and add a touch of CS. Jason: 1) How much Potassium Hydroxide do you use per gallon of distilled water to balance the PH level? One-quarter of a teaspoon? One-eighth? A smaller amount, as in a pinch? 2) Do you add it BEFORE or AFTER you make the CS? Thanks Bob for suggesting a place to purchase it. Nenah -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Generator questions...
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63061.html Re: CS Generator questions... From: Robert Berger Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:05:21 2. The current limit is set by the wet area of the anode or about 1mA per inch squared. Hi Robert, Sorry, I missed your anode qualifier. The current limit is set by the electrode that has the least wetted area. If you swap electrodes periodically to equalize wear, they should have the same wetted area. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdditives to CS production...
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:55:23 -0500, Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net wrote: Hi Nenah, I would try the Alfa Aesar Chemical company. 1-800-343-0660. For the Potasssium Hydroxide. Ole Bob They have a web site: http://www.alfa.com/alf/index.htm Chuck Quantum physics predicts the past with 80% accuracy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEIS Generation
Hi, List! I have been gleaning info on making EIS from Ole Bob, Dan Nave, Mike Monett, and anyone else I could find on this List. Being a novice, I would be grateful if you wiser heads could take a look at this and tell me if I have 'done good' or need to start over. E.I.S. Generation DESCRIPTION: Anode is .999 silver wire 14ga. with a wetted area of 12sqin Cathode is 316 Stainless Steel with a wetted length of 6 (3/32 dia.) Stirring is mechanical (1.5vdc motor @ 8300rpm max with heat shrink tube 3 wet) DW = 3.25 liters E = 37vdc (unregulated) D = 0.000326a/sqin T = 3hrs. = 10800seconds MATH: I = D * A = 0.000326 * 12 = 0.003912 R = E / I = 37 / 0.003912 = 9458 = 9.4k P = E^2 / R = 1369 / 9400 = 0.1456 = 1/4 watt M = K * I * T = 0.001118 * 0.003912 * 10800 = 0.0472284grams = 47.23mg PPM = mg / lt = 47.23 / 3.25 = 14.53 If this is not correct, please correct me. If it is correct, is it too much silver too fast? I want EIS not CS. I have tried to apply what I've found on the list, but, I am neither scientist, chemist nor engineer. I need all the help I can get. Thank you in advance. Bruce Anderson Delete | Reply | Reply to All | Forward | Redirect | Blacklist | Message Source | Resume | Save as | Print Back to drafts - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: EIS generation
Anode is .999 silver wire 14ga. with a wetted area of 12sqin Hi Bruce, Just how long is that wire? jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEIS Generation
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63070.html CSEIS Generation From: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:07:33 Hi Bruce, Welcome to the list and THANKS for providing some numbers to work with! Hi, List! I have been gleaning info on making EIS from Ole Bob, Dan Nave, Mike Monett, and anyone else I could find on this List. Being a novice, I would be grateful if you wiser heads could take a look at this and tell me if I have 'done good' or need to start over. E.I.S. Generation DESCRIPTION: Anode is .999 silver wire 14ga. with a wetted area of 12sqin As jrowland so succinctly asked, how long is the wire? Cathode is 316 Stainless Steel with a wetted length of 6 (3/32 dia.) Stirring is mechanical (1.5vdc motor @ 8300rpm max with heat shrink tube 3 wet) Are you sure you want to use stainless steel? I have no personal experience with anything other than silver, but some list members have stated the silver ion has a special affinity for stainless. DW = 3.25 liters E = 37vdc (unregulated) D = 0.000326a/sqin T = 3hrs. = 10800seconds Current density looks OK. The volume of dw is quite ambitious. MATH: I = D * A = 0.000326 * 12 = 0.003912 Oops - I don't think we have a correct figure for the wetted area yet, so anything that depends on this value will change. Let's wait till we get a better number. [...] If this is not correct, please correct me. If it is correct, is it too much silver too fast? Your container is a bit large and it will take forever to get a decent ppm. If you plan to drink it, it will have to last a long time. I want EIS not CS. Let's not do that. The term is colloidal silver, cs for short. It means silver ions in solution. You do get a byproduct of silver oxide and silver hydroxide, but the goal is to minimize it. I have tried to apply what I've found on the list, but, I am neither scientist, chemist nor engineer. Not yet, but you will soon be all the above:) I need all the help I can get. Don't we all:) Thank you in advance. Bruce Anderson Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScolloidal gold
Question, You are looking for sources for gold. Can CG be made with a CS generator? Nancy
CSNewcomer
Hi everyone I'm a new member. I know a little bit about colloidal silver through other lists I'm on but not enough to make me feel confident about how to use it and, of course, I'd like to know more about it so that I can become more confident about using it should I need to - not only for myself, but my dogs as well. I understand it was used as a natural antibiotic in the days before the medical profession 'developed' antibiotics. I also understand that it's easy to make your own CS if you have the machine. At present, I've never used CS but would be interested in knowing how I can produce my own and where I can get the necessary equipment from. Christine Wyndham-Thomas www.dogsonholiday-uk.com - Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger
Re: CS Generator questions...
Hi Mike I had a friend with Psoriasis who cured his in about two weeks. He had been going to the doctors for eight years for this problem. We used a 500 ml of 12% C/S in which was added a tablespoon of MSM then added 10% DMSO to this mixture..He used applied this mixture to the areas 4 times per day He also took 4 grams of vitamin C and 1 gram of L-lysine per day..also some vitamin e and one multi-vitamin..The Psoriasis disappeared without even a scar and has not come back. he continues to take same amount of vitamins to maintain his health..Naturally he is elated and says it's hard to believe... Hope this helps. Alvin Mike Monett wrote: url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63059.html CS Generator questions... From: Billy Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:16:25 Hi Billy, Hello group, thanks for such an informative and helpful list. I am currently making a CS generator in the hope that it will address problems with Psoriasis, so any help on that subject would be appreciated. I'm not sure if it would do much, but you can search the archives for more information. Just enter a word of three letters or more in the search box at http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html There is a wealth of information avaliable on just about anything you can imagine. I have several questions that the group gurus should be able to help me with. 1) Reversing the polarity at, say 60 second intervals. Is this an advisable thing to do? It is easy enough for me to implement if thought to be advantageous. You sound technically competent - that's good! Polarity reversal has been studied extensively. The problem is it increases the chance silver ions, Ag+, will combine with hydroxyl ions, OH-, that are concentrated near the electrodes. This will reduce the ionic ppm, which many oldtimers have stated actually does the work. From my own experience with the Shingles virus, I agree. Steve Young posted a comparison on June 29, 2000, that showed a 48% drop using switching periods of 17 seconds and one minute: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m23530.html 2) I have an output of ~28-30 volts, current limited. What is the ideal maximum current to limit the output to? It depends on the current density. Above 1 mA or so, the concentration of ions in the Nernst diffusion layer is strong enough to produce lots of black silver oxide and hydroxide. This coats the electrodes and the side of the glass, and limits the maximum ionic ppm to about 10 or so. Ken's Silverpuppy runs at 615 uA/sq.in and gives good results. I use 100 uA/sq.in. or less, and sometimes get a trace of oxide on the electrodes. With good quality dw, I can get above 20 ppm calculated easily. Also, you need to minimize any sharp corners, such as at the cut end of the rod. Ken uses a U-shape that gives two parallel electrodes connected at the bottom. I took his idea and formed a W-shape to give more wetted area and reduce the current density. The current is still concentrated a bit more at the bent ends, which gives a local hot spot for the formation of oxides. I then went to spiral electrodes which have gradual bends for the risers. This improved the performance, so I can get well above 20 ppm calculated before the cs starts showing a tint. There is a slight buildup of gray silver on the cathode, but it is minor. The process is very sensitive to slight changes in ion concentration at the end. Just one or two ppm difference is all it takes to make the difference between clear cs and cs that starts showing a slight yellow tint. If you run at high current to reduce the brew time, the cell resistance will produce a voltage that is higher than the 37V limit of the typical regulators, such as LM117 and LM134. I posted an ascii design earlier for a current regulator that goes to 160V, but it's not for people who are not technically skilled and don't know how to keep from electrocuting themself. It is very similar to a design Steve Young posted a long time ago http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m29691.html But his schematic was lost when the post was archived. 3) I have read where replacing one electrode with stainless steel rod in place of the silver gives good results. Comments yes/no please. Several people have commented that silver ions have a special affinity for stainless steel. I use silver for both electrodes so I can switch them on alternate batches and equalize the wear. 4) What is the optimum distance apart for the rods? Not too critical. Most people run about 1 to 1.5 inches. It helps to keep the distance constant to minimize hot spots, so you need a sturdy mounting arrangement. I bolt mine to a plastic lid. Hey, this time last week I'd not even heard of CS! So please treat me gently ) Welcome to the list - you're going
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #693
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