CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Hi group.  I need some advice from the knowledgeable folks here.  I 
own/moderate a chat group dedicated to the use of CS to treat primarily EPM in 
horses.  Many of us on the list have been using CS successfully for up to ten 
years, at the rate of two to four cups per day of CS on an ongoing basis.  Some 
people have been able to discontinue CS altogether -- most have not, as 
discontinuing it results in a recurrence of symptoms.  One of the women on the 
list has been told by her *acupuncture vet* to discontinue the CS because of 
the accumulation of heavy metals over such a long period of use (10 years in 
this case) and has suggested that instead she switch to homeopathic silver 
which she said his body would recognize and respond to.  I Googled 
homeopathic silver, and all I can seem to come up with is *colloidal silver* 
and *silver nitrate*.  What I'm reading sounds like misinformation to me.  I 
know that the EIS that we make is not comprised
 of heavy metals -- don't think that silver qualifies as such anyway -- and the 
woman who owns the EPM horse knows that as well.  But it is difficult for 
people to respond when confronted by an authority figure such as a vet.  What I 
need is a concise response for her regarding *homeopathic silver* that she can 
understand herself, and that she can pass along to her vet in response to this 
claim.  I'll appreciate any responses.  Thanks.  MA  


Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Jane MacRoss
Mary you need to get an on-line homeopathic materia medica and check out the 
varieties of silver to be found in it and then choose what is most appropriate 
for your needs. Not sure what EPM is to comment further,

Best,

Jane


Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Hi Jane.  Thank you for your reply.  EPM is Equine Protozoal Myloencephalitis 
-- a protozoal infection of the spinal cord, resulting in neurological symptoms 
consistent with the location of the infective lesion(s).  Standard allopathic 
drug treatment is very expensive, and rarely effective for the simple reason 
that it isn't continued long enough.  One of the reasons that EIS is so 
valuable as a treatment protocol is that it is very in-expensive, and people 
can afford to treat their horses for as long as necessary.  EPM isn't unlike 
Lyme in that the protozoa seem to have the ability to hide in the body where 
the meds bypass them, then they re-emerge later to create havoc again.  So -- 
I'm of the mind, as I think are most of the list-members here, that the EIS 
that we make is at the least as good as, and likely superior to, any other 
silver product.  I feel that we're already using what is most appropriate -- 
we've been successfully using it for
 many years.  The information that I'm needing is how to explain to a vet who 
is apparently misinformed about silver products, that she is (misinformed) and 
to be able to explain why.  Anyone who is referring to CS as *heavy metal* 
isn't educated on the subject -- and if you're going to tell this to a vet, you 
better be understanding the information yourself.  So that's the kind of 
information that I'm looking for.  Thanks again.  MA 





From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:55:09 AM
Subject: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver


Mary you need to get an on-line homeopathic materia medica and check out the 
varieties of silver to be found in it and then choose what is most appropriate 
for your needs. Not sure what EPM is to comment further,
 
Best,
 
Jane

Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Bob Banever
MaryAnn,

 CS is not a heavy metal and isn't handled by the body as one either.  
Aside from that, at 10 or 20 ppm it is a homeopathic product and 80% or so is 
in the ionic form, all particles being small nano sized silver.  There is no 
danger of long term use in horses that I know of.  Most gets excreted within 24 
hours, and remainder within a few days or week at the most.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:36 AM
  Subject: Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver


  Hi Jane.  Thank you for your reply.  EPM is Equine Protozoal Myloencephalitis 
-- a protozoal infection of the spinal cord, resulting in neurological symptoms 
consistent with the location of the infective lesion(s).  Standard allopathic 
drug treatment is very expensive, and rarely effective for the simple reason 
that it isn't continued long enough.  One of the reasons that EIS is so 
valuable as a treatment protocol is that it is very in-expensive, and people 
can afford to treat their horses for as long as necessary.  EPM isn't unlike 
Lyme in that the protozoa seem to have the ability to hide in the body where 
the meds bypass them, then they re-emerge later to create havoc again.  So -- 
I'm of the mind, as I think are most of the list-members here, that the EIS 
that we make is at the least as good as, and likely superior to, any other 
silver product.  I feel that we're already using what is most appropriate -- 
we've been successfully using it for many years.  The information that I'm 
needing is how to explain to a vet who is apparently misinformed about silver 
products, that she is (misinformed) and to be able to explain why.  Anyone who 
is referring to CS as *heavy metal* isn't educated on the subject -- and if 
you're going to tell this to a vet, you better be understanding the information 
yourself.  So that's the kind of information that I'm looking for.  Thanks 
again.  MA 




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  From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:55:09 AM
  Subject: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver


  Mary you need to get an on-line homeopathic materia medica and check out the 
varieties of silver to be found in it and then choose what is most appropriate 
for your needs. Not sure what EPM is to comment further,

  Best,

  Jane


CSQuestion for Annie_ GABA source

2009-09-21 Thread Marlene Hanson
Hi Annie, Will you tell us where you get your bulk supplements? Thank you MLE
  - Original Message - 
  From: Annie B Smythemailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:14 AM
  Subject: Re: CS GABA source


  Yep ALA does some amazing things. It recycles antioxidants already in 
  the body. But I prefer the R form. Regular ALA has both R and S forms 
  and the S form kind of negates the good that the R fraction does in the 
  body. The R form is not as stable and a little more expensive but it's 
  worth it. I can really feel the difference. The difference is dramatic. 
  And I take my R ALA with 1 gram of Acetyl  L Carnitine and 1 gram of 
  vitamin C.  I can really tell when I haven't taken it for a day or two.

  Just off the top of my head;

  An Inositol/Choline combination is good for the neurons and nerves too.

  I use a liquid form of B complex that I swish in my mouth for absorption.

  Bacopa Monnieri, Coleus Forskohlii, Huperzine A, Rhodeola Rosea, and 
  Gotu Kola are several other brain protectors. As well as vinpocetine and 
  Ginkgo. Eleuthero is another one as well as the other Ginsengs, but 
  eleuthero is a bit more gentle in its action than the other Ginsengs. 
  Eleuthero used to be called Siberian Ginseng.. Bilberry is great for the 
  eyes but it's also great for circulation.

  I also take 6 grams of cinnamon every day to keep my cells sensitive to 
  insulin, and I usually take just 2 grams of turmeric, and Ginger daily, 
  unless I sprain a thumb while I'm sleeping, LOL, then I up the dosage. I 
  also take MSM and Glucosamine 2 grams of each daily.

  I switch off on the brain protecting supplements every other day so the 
  body doesn't have a chance to get used to the same thing every day.
   
  Taurine is another great supplement for the brain, and glucose uptake. I 
  buy it by the lb. It's also great for the eyes. Astaxanthin, and 
  Zeaxanthin are two more good antioxidants for the eyes, along with 
  Lutein, and a couple more that are on the tip of my tongue. They help 
  prevent Macular degeneration in older eyes. I can tell when I don't take 
  those for a few days too.

  Unfortunately the body does age no matter what we do, but we can 
  minimize the age related debilities, thank heavens.

  It's really much more economical to buy in bulk and make your own 
  capsules, tinctures, infusions and teas. I'd be spending much much more 
  if I bought everything already encapsulated  and bottled. Making your 
  own tinctures and other stuff isn't hard, or complicated, at all. If you 
  make your own colloidal silver you can make these other things quite easily.

  I just bought 4 lbs of freshly harvested Lomatium root, and some Usnea, 
  to make tinctures and oil infusions for the family for this coming flu 
  season. I've also bought some Licorice root and a few other 
  expectorants, and lung and bronchial tube clearer uppers.




  Annie



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   Other benefits of GABA
  
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   glutathione, GABA and serotonin levels in the whole brain as well as 
   in the
   regions of the olfactory lobe, cerebrum, hippocampus-hypothalamus,
   cerebellum and pons-medulla. This is quite a demonstration of the 
   actions of
   these compounds in protecting the brain from environmental toxic assault.
  
  
  
  
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Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Dan Nave
He's probably talking about Argentum Metallicum, or Argentum Nitricum
which are Homeopathic medicines.  Our CS is much like the mother
tincture of Argentum Metallicum; it is not potentiated.

I can't say that he correct about having to stop the CS, but the
Homeopathics may also work.

Dan



On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland
marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Hi group.  I need some advice from the knowledgeable folks here.  I
 own/moderate a chat group dedicated to the use of CS to treat primarily EPM
 in horses.  Many of us on the list have been using CS successfully for up to
 ten years, at the rate of two to four cups per day of CS on an ongoing
 basis.  Some people have been able to discontinue CS altogether -- most have
 not, as discontinuing it results in a recurrence of symptoms.  One of the
 women on the list has been told by her *acupuncture vet* to discontinue the
 CS because of the accumulation of heavy metals over such a long period of
 use (10 years in this case) and has suggested that instead she switch to
 homeopathic silver which she said his body would recognize and respond
 to.  I Googled homeopathic silver, and all I can seem to come up with is
 *colloidal silver* and *silver nitrate*.  What I'm reading sounds like
 misinformation to me.  I know that the EIS that we make is not comprised of
 heavy metals -- don't think that silver qualifies as such anyway -- and the
 woman who owns the EPM horse knows that as well.  But it is difficult for
 people to respond when confronted by an authority figure such as a vet.
 What I need is a concise response for her regarding *homeopathic silver*
 that she can understand herself, and that she can pass along to her vet in
 response to this claim.  I'll appreciate any responses.  Thanks.  MA



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RE: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Neville Munn

[that the EIS that we make is at the least as good as, and likely superior to, 
any other silver product.]
-My humble opinion...BETTER BY FAR!  Why?...because you know EXACTLY what it is.
 
I'll give you one reason for some being (misinformed) and that's because 
ANYTHING with even a *hint* of silver is termed CS but CS can come in many and 
varied forms.  Your EIS is superior simply because you know exactly what it 
is...silver and pure or distilled water, with no other secret herbs and 
spices included.  Tell the vet EIS is NOT the same as Colloidal Silver which 
can be ANYTHING.  Colloidal Silver to me is something they used to make many 
moons ago by pounding and/or grinding silver and adding 'whatever' to the 
concoction, might have been an OK terminology back then, but doesn't really fit 
the description of our EIS product today.
 
I've had a brief read of EPM and perhaps you should be producing EIS and 
administering it IMMEDIATELY after completion of production to maximise ionic 
silver ingestion.  It's what I do with family members animals, not quite as 
large as a horse however g, and I'd probably consider upping that 2-4 cups to 
a litre or more, a horse is a fairly large beast.  Contrary to what may be 
popular opinion I can't see the horse taking on that smurf look or developing 
ingots of silver in liver or kidneys or wherever using EIS, with CS (in 
whatever form that takes)...who knows?
 
N.
 


Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:36:35 -0700
From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver
To: silver-list@eskimo.com





Hi Jane.  Thank you for your reply.  EPM is Equine Protozoal Myloencephalitis 
-- a protozoal infection of the spinal cord, resulting in neurological symptoms 
consistent with the location of the infective lesion(s).  Standard allopathic 
drug treatment is very expensive, and rarely effective for the simple reason 
that it isn't continued long enough.  One of the reasons that EIS is so 
valuable as a treatment protocol is that it is very in-expensive, and people 
can afford to treat their horses for as long as necessary.  EPM isn't unlike 
Lyme in that the protozoa seem to have the ability to hide in the body where 
the meds bypass them, then they re-emerge later to create havoc again.  So -- 
I'm of the mind, as I think are most of the list-members here, that the EIS 
that we make is at the least as good as, and likely superior to, any other 
silver product.  I feel that we're already using what is most appropriate -- 
we've been successfully using it for many years.  The information that I'm 
needing is how to explain to a vet who is apparently misinformed about silver 
products, that she is (misinformed) and to be able to explain why.  Anyone who 
is referring to CS as *heavy metal* isn't educated on the subject -- and if 
you're going to tell this to a vet, you better be understanding the information 
yourself.  So that's the kind of information that I'm looking for.  Thanks 
again.  MA 





From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:55:09 AM
Subject: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver




Mary you need to get an on-line homeopathic materia medica and check out the 
varieties of silver to be found in it and then choose what is most appropriate 
for your needs. Not sure what EPM is to comment further,
 
Best,
 
Jane
  
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Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Hi Bob.  Thanks for your reply.  I'm keeping your post, if you don't mind, and 
will forward it to the horse's owner.  She knows all of this already, but it 
always helps to hear it again from someone else.  What I'm primarily looking 
for, though, is information to counter the vet's thinking -- that *homeopathic 
silver* (referred to as silver nitrate on Google references) -- is, in fact, 
just eyewash and misinformation in order to sell a given product.  And why, in 
fact, silver nitrate would be a poor choice.  Can you help with this?  Thanks.  
MA 





From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:56:08 AM
Subject: Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver


MaryAnn,
 
 CS is not a heavy metal and isn't handled by the body as one either.  
Aside from that, at 10 or 20 ppm it is a homeopathic product and 80% or so is 
in the ionic form, all particles being small nano sized silver.  There is no 
danger of long term use in horses that I know of.  Most gets excreted within 24 
hours, and remainder within a few days or week at the most.
 
Bob
- Original Message - 
From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver


Hi Jane.  Thank you for your reply.  EPM is Equine Protozoal Myloencephalitis 
-- a protozoal infection of the spinal cord, resulting in neurological 
symptoms consistent with the location of the infective lesion(s).  Standard 
allopathic drug treatment is very expensive, and rarely effective for the 
simple reason that it isn't continued long enough.  One of the reasons that 
EIS is so valuable as a treatment protocol is that it is very in-expensive, 
and people can afford to treat their horses for as long as necessary.  EPM 
isn't unlike Lyme in that the protozoa seem to have the ability to hide in the 
body where the meds bypass them, then they re-emerge later to create havoc 
again.  So -- I'm of the mind, as I think are most of the list-members here, 
that the EIS that we make is at the least as good as, and likely superior to, 
any other silver product.  I feel that we're already using what is most 
appropriate -- we've been successfully using it for
 many years.  The information that I'm needing is how to explain to a vet who 
is apparently misinformed about silver products, that she is (misinformed) and 
to be able to explain why.  Anyone who is referring to CS as *heavy metal* 
isn't educated on the subject -- and if you're going to tell this to a vet, you 
better be understanding the information yourself.  So that's the kind of 
information that I'm looking for.  Thanks again.  MA 





From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:55:09 AM
Subject: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver


Mary you need to get an on-line homeopathic materia medica and check out the 
varieties of silver to be found in it and then choose what is most appropriate 
for your needs. Not sure what EPM is to comment further,
 
Best,
 
Jane
 

Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Hi Dan -- thanks.  What does that mean -- it is not potentiated?  MA





From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:44:20 AM
Subject: Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

He's probably talking about Argentum Metallicum, or Argentum Nitricum
which are Homeopathic medicines.  Our CS is much like the mother
tincture of Argentum Metallicum; it is not potentiated.

I can't say that he correct about having to stop the CS, but the
Homeopathics may also work.

Dan



On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland
marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Hi group.  I need some advice from the knowledgeable folks here.  I
 own/moderate a chat group dedicated to the use of CS to treat primarily EPM
 in horses.  Many of us on the list have been using CS successfully for up to
 ten years, at the rate of two to four cups per day of CS on an ongoing
 basis.  Some people have been able to discontinue CS altogether -- most have
 not, as discontinuing it results in a recurrence of symptoms.  One of the
 women on the list has been told by her *acupuncture vet* to discontinue the
 CS because of the accumulation of heavy metals over such a long period of
 use (10 years in this case) and has suggested that instead she switch to
 homeopathic silver which she said his body would recognize and respond
 to.  I Googled homeopathic silver, and all I can seem to come up with is
 *colloidal silver* and *silver nitrate*.  What I'm reading sounds like
 misinformation to me.  I know that the EIS that we make is not comprised of
 heavy metals -- don't think that silver qualifies as such anyway -- and the
 woman who owns the EPM horse knows that as well.  But it is difficult for
 people to respond when confronted by an authority figure such as a vet..
 What I need is a concise response for her regarding *homeopathic silver*
 that she can understand herself, and that she can pass along to her vet in
 response to this claim.  I'll appreciate any responses.  Thanks.  MA



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Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Dan Nave
Homeopathic medicines start with a Mother tincture, which is the full
strength medicine.  Then they dilute it with distilled water by 10
times or 100 times (depending) and basically mechanically shock the
resultant solution; a forceful shaking and striking called
succussion.  They will then dilute again and succuss again.  EG for
3X it will be diluted by 10 times and succussed, for a total of 3
dilutions and succussions.  There is very little of the actual
starting chemical or material in the final medicine.  It does seem to
work though.

CS as we make it is already what is called a homeopatic dose.  (10 to 20 ppm)

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

Dan



On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:47 AM, MaryAnn Helland
marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Hi Dan -- thanks.  What does that mean -- it is not potentiated?  MA

 
 From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:44:20 AM
 Subject: Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

 He's probably talking about Argentum Metallicum, or Argentum Nitricum
 which are Homeopathic medicines.  Our CS is much like the mother
 tincture of Argentum Metallicum; it is not potentiated.

 I can't say that he correct about having to stop the CS, but the
 Homeopathics may also work.

 Dan



 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland
 marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Hi group.  I need some advice from the knowledgeable folks here.  I
 own/moderate a chat group dedicated to the use of CS to treat primarily
 EPM
 in horses.  Many of us on the list have been using CS successfully for up
 to
 ten years, at the rate of two to four cups per day of CS on an ongoing
 basis.  Some people have been able to discontinue CS altogether -- most
 have
 not, as discontinuing it results in a recurrence of symptoms.  One of the
 women on the list has been told by her *acupuncture vet* to discontinue
 the
 CS because of the accumulation of heavy metals over such a long period of
 use (10 years in this case) and has suggested that instead she switch to
 homeopathic silver which she said his body would recognize and respond
 to.  I Googled homeopathic silver, and all I can seem to come up with is
 *colloidal silver* and *silver nitrate*.  What I'm reading sounds like
 misinformation to me.  I know that the EIS that we make is not comprised
 of
 heavy metals -- don't think that silver qualifies as such anyway -- and
 the
 woman who owns the EPM horse knows that as well.  But it is difficult for
 people to respond when confronted by an authority figure such as a vet.
 What I need is a concise response for her regarding *homeopathic silver*
 that she can understand herself, and that she can pass along to her vet in
 response to this claim.  I'll appreciate any responses.  Thanks.  MA



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Re: CSSediment from SilverPuppy generator

2009-09-21 Thread Marshall Dudley

You should be able to simply decant it.

Marshall

scvpropert...@aol.com wrote:
I set my SilverPuppy on manual for a while, and now I have a lot of 
sediment at the bottom of my jar. I think it fell off the electrodes 
as I was pulling them out.
 
Do I need to trash this batch and start over?
 
Thanks!
 
Linda



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Re: Re: CSA Cold!!]

2009-09-21 Thread Ruth Bertella
Hey Marshall,

Which product did you order, and from where?  Have you received it yet, and if 
so, any results to post?  I'm wa behind on emails as I'm just gettin back 
from vacation.

Anyone else with feedback on these products, please chime in.

Thanks!
Ruth

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  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com  cs 
  Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:47 AM
  Subject: [Fwd: Re: CSA Cold!!]





Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #545

2009-09-21 Thread Marshall Dudley
The half moon. My cuticles appear white.  It is quite possibly blue 
under the cuticle, but the cuticle appears opaque.


Marshall

Melly Bag wrote:

Marshall,
 
When one's nail turns blue, does it start at the bottom where the 
cuticles lie, or is it the half moon of the nail that turns blue?  Thanks.

Melly

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Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #545
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 5:08 PM




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Re: CSQuestion for Annie_ GABA source

2009-09-21 Thread herb
Hi Annie, would you post where you get the lomatium or if you feel an
obligation to your supplier you could give me a call. 308-268-6081
h...@mcmo.net





 Hi Annie, Will you tell us where you get your bulk supplements? Thank you
 MLE
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   From: Annie B Smythemailto:anniebsmy...@gmail.com
   To: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
   Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:14 AM
   Subject: Re: CS GABA source


   Yep ALA does some amazing things. It recycles antioxidants already in
   the body. But I prefer the R form. Regular ALA has both R and S forms
   and the S form kind of negates the good that the R fraction does in the
   body. The R form is not as stable and a little more expensive but it's
   worth it. I can really feel the difference. The difference is dramatic.
   And I take my R ALA with 1 gram of Acetyl  L Carnitine and 1 gram of
   vitamin C.  I can really tell when I haven't taken it for a day or two.

   Just off the top of my head;

   An Inositol/Choline combination is good for the neurons and nerves too.

   I use a liquid form of B complex that I swish in my mouth for
 absorption.

   Bacopa Monnieri, Coleus Forskohlii, Huperzine A, Rhodeola Rosea, and
   Gotu Kola are several other brain protectors. As well as vinpocetine and
   Ginkgo. Eleuthero is another one as well as the other Ginsengs, but
   eleuthero is a bit more gentle in its action than the other Ginsengs.
   Eleuthero used to be called Siberian Ginseng.. Bilberry is great for the
   eyes but it's also great for circulation.

   I also take 6 grams of cinnamon every day to keep my cells sensitive to
   insulin, and I usually take just 2 grams of turmeric, and Ginger daily,
   unless I sprain a thumb while I'm sleeping, LOL, then I up the dosage. I
   also take MSM and Glucosamine 2 grams of each daily.

   I switch off on the brain protecting supplements every other day so the
   body doesn't have a chance to get used to the same thing every day.

   Taurine is another great supplement for the brain, and glucose uptake. I
   buy it by the lb. It's also great for the eyes. Astaxanthin, and
   Zeaxanthin are two more good antioxidants for the eyes, along with
   Lutein, and a couple more that are on the tip of my tongue. They help
   prevent Macular degeneration in older eyes. I can tell when I don't take
   those for a few days too.

   Unfortunately the body does age no matter what we do, but we can
   minimize the age related debilities, thank heavens.

   It's really much more economical to buy in bulk and make your own
   capsules, tinctures, infusions and teas. I'd be spending much much more
   if I bought everything already encapsulated  and bottled. Making your
   own tinctures and other stuff isn't hard, or complicated, at all. If you
   make your own colloidal silver you can make these other things quite
 easily.

   I just bought 4 lbs of freshly harvested Lomatium root, and some Usnea,
   to make tinctures and oil infusions for the family for this coming flu
   season. I've also bought some Licorice root and a few other
   expectorants, and lung and bronchial tube clearer uppers.




   Annie



   Harold MacDonald wrote:

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Other benefits of GABA
   
Snipped;
The Lipoic Acid, vitamin E treatment significantly increased the level
 of
glutathione, GABA and serotonin levels in the whole brain as well as
in the
regions of the olfactory lobe, cerebrum, hippocampus-hypothalamus,
cerebellum and pons-medulla. This is quite a demonstration of the
actions of
these compounds in protecting the brain from environmental toxic
 assault.
   
   
   
   
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Re: CSE.I.S. Gel?

2009-09-21 Thread Dan Nave
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Larry Biggar lbig...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Hi Dan! Ode has a system called Gel Kit. Go to his site called *
 odecoyo...@windstream.net* calledodecoyo...@windstream.net  You can get
 one for $20 comes with everything including good instructions! Ode is the
 owner/developer and our silver-list guru! Hope this helps!
 Larry







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 From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
 Subject: Re: CSE.I.S. Gel?
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 4:21 AM




For a new wound, I think that's better.
   Silver is more effective as a liquid.
   For other stuff, gel is better for it's pulling poultice effect and for
 making a protective skin

 Ode


 At 03:44 PM 9/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
 Gel is OK, but you could also wet a cloth, paper towel, or bandaid and
 apply it over the desired area.
 
 Dan
 
 On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:13 PM, olinboyer 
 olinbo...@cox.nethttp://us.mc374.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=olinbo...@cox.net
 wrote:
   I saw a brief reference to a method of converting the distilled water
 that
   has been processed to be ~20ppm E.I.S., to a Gel.
  
   I saw the name of Ode Coyote in the reference, as I recall.
  
   Could someone share the method of obtaining a Gel, so that the CS
  could be
   applied to a vertical surface without it all running off immediately?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Olin Boyer
   Tulsa, OK
  
 
 
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Re: CSA Cold!!]

2009-09-21 Thread Marshall Dudley

Ruth Bertella wrote:

Hey Marshall,
 
Which product did you order, and from where?  Have you received it 
yet, and if so, any results to post?  I'm wa behind on emails as 
I'm just gettin back from vacation.
 
Anyone else with feedback on these products, please chime in.
 
Thanks!

Ruth
 


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*From:* Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com  cs
mailto:silver-l...@eskimo.com%20%3e%3e%20cs
*Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 11:47 AM
*Subject:* [Fwd: Re: CSA Cold!!]


I ordered del-immuine V, using the link that Brooks provided. I did seem 
to find it later from others on the net for less though.  Thus far been 
doing a good job of avoiding everything with D-3, EIS, and the 
del-immune V whenever I am exposed.  Yesterday we went to the movie, and 
everyone around us was coughing and sneezing, so we took the trio when 
we got back. No problems yet.


Marshall

Marshall


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CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Donna
I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high 
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more 
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really getting 
tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor right away by 
my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I have tried natural red 
rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  My problem was 
inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they can 
cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell 
don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults 
these days  who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in 
our bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying 
they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing

So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #545

2009-09-21 Thread Melly Bag
Thanks Marshall. Ok, got you.   no, i'm not blue yet.
 
Melly

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Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #545
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 11:28 AM


The half moon. My cuticles appear white.  It is quite possibly blue under the 
cuticle, but the cuticle appears opaque.

Marshall

Melly Bag wrote:
 Marshall,
  When one's nail turns blue, does it start at the bottom where the cuticles 
lie, or is it the half moon of the nail that turns blue?  Thanks.
 Melly
 
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     silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
     Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #545
     To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
     Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 5:08 PM
 


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Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Garnet
This page has some information on Homeopathic Nosodes that 
prevent reinfection with EPM and may be a
good information source for her to find articles to present 
to her vet.

http://www.myfineequine.com/nosodes.htm

Homeopathic prescribing is based on symptom pictures of the 
patient matching up to the symptoms that a remedy in 
original full strength concentration would cause. This is 
called the law of similars and is the
basis for homeopathy. It is not the same as supplementing a 
nutritional need or administering a medication
that kills a microbe or suppresses a symptom. It is to 
stimulate the body's healing process of those symptoms
by giving an energetic remedy that in full concentration 
would cause those same symptoms.


A good homeopath spends a great deal of time observing a 
patients symptoms and forming what is called a
symptom picture. Many small details of mood and behavior are 
taken into account that the untrained person
would not note as important in choosing a remedy. The wrong 
remedy can suppress symptoms making it
difficult to detect a correct symptom picture. Or can 
improve symptoms for a time with a later relapse.




Here are the symptoms pictures for:

And Argentum Metallicum / Pure Silver
http://abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Arg-m

Argentum Nitricum / Silver Nitrate AgO,NO5
http://abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Arg-n

Argentum Muriaticum / Silver Chloride



. . . mental and emotional symptoms are considered to be as 
important as physical symptoms in deciding on the correct 
remedy for an individual animal. . .  Every nuance of the 
horse’s behavior and structure becomes a clue to the correct 
remedy: breathing patterns, expression of softness or fear 
in the eye, body posture, muscle tone, etc. The interesting 
and unique way each horse expresses playfulness or copes 
with stress is a piece of the puzzle in discovering the 
correct homeopathic prescription.


Next the homeopath reconstructs the data: the information 
about the physical, emotional and mental symptoms. These 
observations are translated into the language of the 
repertory. The *symptoms* *area* *matched* with what she 
knows about the remedies in our materia medica- . . .


From:  Classical Constitutional Homeopathy for Horses -- 
Karen Cohen, D.C., CCH

http://www.hpathy.com/veterinary/cohen-homeopathy-horse.asp

Garnet

Dan Nave wrote:

He's probably talking about Argentum Metallicum, or Argentum Nitricum
which are Homeopathic medicines.  Our CS is much like the mother
tincture of Argentum Metallicum; it is not potentiated.

I can't say that he correct about having to stop the CS, but the
Homeopathics may also work.

Dan



On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland
marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Hi group.  I need some advice from the knowledgeable folks here.  I
own/moderate a chat group dedicated to the use of CS to treat primarily EPM
in horses.  Many of us on the list have been using CS successfully for up to
ten years, at the rate of two to four cups per day of CS on an ongoing
basis.  Some people have been able to discontinue CS altogether -- most have
not, as discontinuing it results in a recurrence of symptoms.  One of the
women on the list has been told by her *acupuncture vet* to discontinue the
CS because of the accumulation of heavy metals over such a long period of
use (10 years in this case) and has suggested that instead she switch to
homeopathic silver which she said his body would recognize and respond
to.  I Googled homeopathic silver, and all I can seem to come up with is
*colloidal silver* and *silver nitrate*.  What I'm reading sounds like
misinformation to me.  I know that the EIS that we make is not comprised of
heavy metals -- don't think that silver qualifies as such anyway -- and the
woman who owns the EPM horse knows that as well.  But it is difficult for
people to respond when confronted by an authority figure such as a vet.
What I need is a concise response for her regarding *homeopathic silver*
that she can understand herself, and that she can pass along to her vet in
response to this claim.  I'll appreciate any responses.  Thanks.  MA




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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread jr orrilia
Donna, I just wanted to share my experience.  1-1/2 year ago, I totally went of 
my statin drugs (read the side effects and was shocked).  My blood work was due 
within the next 6 months.  I went and the doctor called me backed in to say it 
was very high.  She told to go back on the drugs (which I didn't of course).  
Anyways, it is one year later and just had my blood work done and was preparing 
for another call.  But the call didn't call, I have to call them and they 
stated that everything was fine.  She said my cholesterol level is considered 
average. I was in shock but so thrilled.  All that I have done in the past year 
on a daily basis (without changing my way of eating which is 1/2 very healthy 
and 1/2 half not too healthy) is this:
1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar/Organic with a 1/2 tsp. of baking soda (Bob's 
Red Mill) in a glass a water 1 hr. before supper, and, 1 tablespoon every night 
of Diatomaceous Food Grade Earth. Also increased my water intake. Also for 
mammogram, is there a clinic in your area that this Thermographies? A much 
better alternative.Orrilia





From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:44:39 PM
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high cholesterol.  I 
am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more statins all different ones, 
been on them for years and really getting tired of all the side effects but 
when I go to the doctor right away by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking 
it.  I have tried natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  
My problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they 
can cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell don't 
need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults these days  
who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in our bodies.  Hell 
it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying they can cause cancer,  you 
can't win for losing
So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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RE: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Gina Moore
I feel comfortable saying this since this is an alternative group.  It would
be very controversial elsewhere!  High cholesterol is usually from low
thyroid.  In the 'old days' doctors treated high cholesterol with thyroid
medication.  (NOT T4 only meds like Synthroid.)  Get your thyroid in order
and cholesterol goes down.  Broda Barnes, MD's book 'Hypothyroidism: The
Unsuspected Illness' has a great explaination of this!

Having high cholesterol does not increase your chance for heart attack or
heart disease.  Low thyroid however DOES increase those risks.  I can post
some links to supporting articles if you'd like.

I took Red Yeast Rice and it lowered my cholesterol so much the doc was
concerned with how low it was!  (I was taking it for the overall health
benefit, not high cholesterol.)  All 3 of my levels were very low, which she
commented that she had never seen!  I have since stopped taking it because
we NEED cholesterol!  It scared me to have it that low!  (I only took 1
bottle's worth.)

As far as mammograms, I will never have one.  You have to give 2970 women a
mamogram to save 1 life, but they can cause cancer in like 7-10 (I believe
that was the right number) of those women who get them, that would not have
normally gotten cancer.  Thermography is a better choice for breast cancer
screening.  Or take CS, eat fresh organic foods, get plenty of rest and
don't worry about getting any cancer!  :-)

Sorry for being on my soap box today.  I'm just tired of our doctors not
knowing that cholesterol lowering meds and mammograms are dangerous!

Gina

-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high 
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more 
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really getting 
tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor right away by 
my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I have tried natural red 
rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  My problem was 
inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they can 
cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell 
don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults 
these days  who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in 
our bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying 
they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing
So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS   


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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread jr orrilia
Donna, I noticed someone mentioned coconut oil.  I also am taking that daily, 
about one tablespoon.  Orrilia





From: jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:59:33 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT question?


Donna, I just wanted to share my experience.  1-1/2 year ago, I totally went of 
my statin drugs (read the side effects and was shocked).  My blood work was due 
within the next 6 months.  I went and the doctor called me backed in to say it 
was very high.  She told to go back on the drugs (which I didn't of course).  
Anyways, it is one year later and just had my blood work done and was preparing 
for another call.  But the call didn't call, I have to call them and they 
stated that everything was fine.  She said my cholesterol level is considered 
average. I was in shock but so thrilled.  All that I have done in the past year 
on a daily basis (without changing my way of eating which is 1/2 very healthy 
and 1/2 half not too healthy) is this:
1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar/Organic with a 1/2 tsp. of baking soda (Bob's 
Red Mill) in a glass a water 1 hr. before supper, and, 1 tablespoon every night 
of Diatomaceous Food Grade Earth. Also increased my water intake. Also for 
mammogram, is there a clinic in your area that this Thermographies? A much 
better alternative.Orrilia





From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:44:39 PM
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high cholesterol.  I 
am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more statins all different ones, 
been on them for years and really getting tired of all the side effects but 
when I go to the doctor right away by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking 
it.  I have tried natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  
My problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they 
can cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell don't 
need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults these days  
who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in our bodies.  Hell 
it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying they can cause cancer,  you 
can't win for losing
So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread jr orrilia
Gina, you are so right.  Right somewhere the top 3 breast cancer causes:
1-brassieres
2-deodorant with aluminum
3-mammograms
And THEY have known this all along. Along, breasts need iodine.  I have been 
putting a few drops of iodine after a bit of DMSO on breasts and thyroid.  Not 
a pretty site, but health comes first. Orrilia





From: Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:00:05 PM
Subject: RE: CSOT question?

I feel comfortable saying this since this is an alternative group.  It would
be very controversial elsewhere!  High cholesterol is usually from low
thyroid.  In the 'old days' doctors treated high cholesterol with thyroid
medication.  (NOT T4 only meds like Synthroid.)  Get your thyroid in order
and cholesterol goes down.  Broda Barnes, MD's book 'Hypothyroidism: The
Unsuspected Illness' has a great explaination of this!

Having high cholesterol does not increase your chance for heart attack or
heart disease.  Low thyroid however DOES increase those risks.  I can post
some links to supporting articles if you'd like.

I took Red Yeast Rice and it lowered my cholesterol so much the doc was
concerned with how low it was!  (I was taking it for the overall health
benefit, not high cholesterol.)  All 3 of my levels were very low, which she
commented that she had never seen!  I have since stopped taking it because
we NEED cholesterol!  It scared me to have it that low!  (I only took 1
bottle's worth.)

As far as mammograms, I will never have one.  You have to give 2970 women a
mamogram to save 1 life, but they can cause cancer in like 7-10 (I believe
that was the right number) of those women who get them, that would not have
normally gotten cancer.  Thermography is a better choice for breast cancer
screening.  Or take CS, eat fresh organic foods, get plenty of rest and
don't worry about getting any cancer!  :-)

Sorry for being on my soap box today.  I'm just tired of our doctors not
knowing that cholesterol lowering meds and mammograms are dangerous!

Gina

-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high 
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more 
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really getting 
tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor right away by 
my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I have tried natural red 
rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  My problem was 
inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they can 
cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell 
don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults 
these days  who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in 
our bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying 
they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing
So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS  


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CSH1N1 Flu vaccine

2009-09-21 Thread Larry Biggar
Dear Silver List. 
Since you have quite a knowledge base. It appears that we don't need to worry 
about getting the flu. But what if we have to take the shot?! I've seen quite a 
few articles about various preps. to take after. But they are complicated and 
hard to get. At least to me. But I wonder if colloidal silver would be good for 
ingestion before and after? I hope this posts. As you know. I usually tag 
another mail. But i haven't seen any discussion about this. We need to wake up 
and understand what is being done to us! Thanks for any info!  Larry




  

Re: CSSerrapeptase experiences, please....

2009-09-21 Thread Marshall Dudley
My wife and I started taking it about a month ago.  Two 100,000 IU 
non-coated tablets a day.  I have noticed increased stamina.  She has 
had high blood pressure for the last 20 years or so, but the last week 
she has been getting dizzy, and has fainted twice.  When I check her 
pressure it is running about 95/55, prior to starting the serrapeptase 
it was typically running 140/90.  She has an appointment with the 
doctor, so we will see what he says in a week or so.


Marshall

Linda Ellis wrote:

Hi, all - well, after Steve's recommendation and further reading, I started on 
the Doctor's Best Serrapeptase on Monday, and I've got some questions...

First, I am primarily experimenting to see if the Serrapeptase does anything to reduce skin scarring due to insect bites and tomboy wounds.  Has anybody noticed any changes of their own based on use of this?  I'm taking two or three capsules spaced out over the day, and I'm wondering how long to wait before I should inspect for any improvements.  

Secondly, I'm wondering if some other things I'm experiencing suddenly may be other reactions to the Serrapeptase, as that is the only change I've made this week.  First, I know that with some alternatives, the healing process starts with some type of a herx reaction.  The last two days, I'm sneezing like crazy, for no apparent reason.  I'm wondering if this might be a herx.  If so, it's certainly tolerable.  The other thing is - delicately speaking -  I'm noticing a change in bathroom habits.  Everything seems to be starting to move easier, and more frequently, if you get my drift.  


If anybody else has experiences to contribute, I'd love to hear them
Linda 
The Truly Educated Never Graduate 



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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Del at Dri-Wash

Donna,

You might want to check out the new form of CoQ10 (Ubiquinol).   Many have 
gone off statins using this supplement.   BTW, the statins suppress natural 
CoQ10 in the body so you probably are deficient in this natural enzyme.


Del


- Original Message - 
From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:44 AM
Subject: CSOT question?


I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high cholesterol. 
I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more statins all different 
ones, been on them for years and really getting tired of all the side 
effects but when I go to the doctor right away by my blood work she can 
tell I'm not taking it.  I have tried natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and 
exercise to no avail.  My problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem. 
I just read about how they can cause Parkinson's and other neuological 
problems and I sure as hell don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an 
increase in MS in adults these days  who knows with all this crap they want 
us to take and put in our bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now 
they are saying they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing

So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Garnet
This vet is obviously not a trained homeopath. Suggesting 
Argentum metallicum as a substitute for EIS /CS makes no 
sense. They are two entirely different modes of treatment. 
Homeopathic dilution beyond 12 c contains zero particles of 
the original material. They are energetic remedies that 
stimulate the body's healing processes. They do not actually 
provide a source of minerals even if they start out based on 
a mineral.


The fact that this vet does not know that Silver is not a 
heavy metal, it is a transition metal,
tells me right off that she is not familiar with the medical 
use of Silver.


In fact the term heavy metal is not actually a technical 
term in chemistry. According to IUPAC

the term heavy metals is both meaningless and misleading.

http://www.iupac.org/objID/Article/pac7405x0793 

If the horses were developing argyria it would seem that 
somewhere it would be seen, maybe
the gums, the white line in the hoof, or the coronet band 
around the top of the hoof.


If she is resistant to her clients knowing something that 
she does not why even discuss the matter
with her. Unless she demonstrates a willingness to learn it 
is only going to alienate her and possibly

interfere with further consultations in her area of expertise.

I would not confront her if I wanted to maintain a client 
vet relationship.


Veterinary Homeopathy discussion forums.
http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_topics.asp?FID=3

Maybe she could email Dr Ward or give this info to her vet 
who could contact Dr Ward. I am not certain if she
does phone consults but it is at least someone who does both 
acupuncture and homeopathy.
http://www.holistichorsekeeping.com  ~  Madalyn Ward, DVM, 
practicing holistic veterinarian, author, consultant and 
lecturer is certified in Veterinary Homeopathy, Chiropractic 
and Acupuncture. Her website offers a newsletter, online 
study course, e-book and information for horse and mule owners.


Garnet

MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Hi group.  I need some advice from the knowledgeable folks here.  I 
own/moderate a chat group dedicated to the use of CS to treat primarily 
EPM in horses.  Many of us on the list have been using CS successfully 
for up to ten years, at the rate of two to four cups per day of CS on an 
ongoing basis.  Some people have been able to discontinue CS altogether 
-- most have not, as discontinuing it results in a recurrence of 
symptoms.  One of the women on the list has been told by her 
*acupuncture vet* to discontinue the CS because of the accumulation of 
heavy metals over such a long period of use (10 years in this case) and 
has suggested that instead she switch to homeopathic silver which she 
said his body would recognize and respond to.  I Googled homeopathic 
silver, and all I can seem to come up with is *colloidal silver* and 
*silver nitrate*.  What I'm reading sounds like misinformation to me.  I 
know that the EIS that we make is not comprised of heavy metals -- don't 
think that silver qualifies as such anyway -- and the woman who owns the 
EPM horse knows that as well.  But it is difficult for people to respond 
when confronted by an authority figure such as a vet.  What I need is a 
concise response for her regarding *homeopathic silver* that she can 
understand herself, and that she can pass along to her vet in response 
to this claim.  I'll appreciate any responses.  Thanks.  MA  



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Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread cking001
Being picky but the term homeopathic is being as much misused as
the term colloidal silveris.

A homeopathic remedy is a substance diluted to the point that all that
is left is its energy signature.
It's created via specific steps involving dilutions followed by
percussive shaking, followed by dilution,followed by percussive
shaking, etc.
You're left with energy not ppm.

No way in heck is CS homeopathic.

And according to the laws of homeopathy, true homeopathic silver would
be used to alleviate what silver does in the body.

Us CS users don't want THAT.

Chuck
Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
 
On 9/21/2009 9:56:08 AM, Bob Banever (bbane...@earthlink.net) wrote:
 MaryAnn,
 
 CS is not a heavy metal and
 isn't handled by the body as one either. Aside from that, at 10 or 20 ppm it 
 is a homeopathic product and 80% or so is in the ionic form, all particles 
 being small nano sized silver. There is no danger of long term use in horses 
 that I know of. Most gets excreted within 24 hours, and remainder within a 
 few days or week at the most.
 
 Bob
 - Original Message -
 From: MaryAnn Helland [link: mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net]
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:36 AM
 Subject: Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver
 
 
 Hi Jane. Thank you for your reply. EPM is Equine Protozoal Myloencephalitis 
 -- a protozoal infection of the spinal cord, resulting in neurological 
 symptoms consistent with the location of the infective lesion(s). Standard 
 allopathic drug treatment is very expensive, and rarely effective for the 
 simple reason that it isn't
 continued long enough. One of the reasons that EIS is so valuable as a
 treatment protocol is that it is very in-expensive, and people can afford
 to treat their horses for as long as necessary. EPM
 isn't unlike Lyme in that the protozoa seem to have the ability to hide in 
 the body where the meds bypass them, t
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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Melly Bag


--- On Mon, 9/21/09, jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT question?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:01 PM






Donna, I noticed someone mentioned coconut oil.  I also am taking that daily, 
about one tablespoon.  Orrilia





From: jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:59:33 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT question?



Donna, I just wanted to share my experience.  1-1/2 year ago, I totally went of 
my statin drugs (read the side effects and was shocked).  My blood work was due 
within the next 6 months.  I went and the doctor called me backed in to say it 
was very high.  She told to go back on the drugs (which I didn't of course).  
Anyways, it is one year later and just had my blood work done and was preparing 
for another call.  But the call didn't call, I have to call them and they 
stated that everything was fine.  She said my cholesterol level is considered 
average. I was in shock but so thrilled.  All that I have done in the past year 
on a daily basis (without changing my way of eating which is 1/2 very healthy 
and 1/2 half not too healthy) is this:
1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar/Organic with a 1/2 tsp. of baking soda (Bob's 
Red Mill) in a glass a water 1 hr. before supper, and, 1 tablespoon every night 
of Diatomaceous Food Grade Earth. Also increased my water intake. Also for 
mammogram, is there a clinic in your area that this Thermographies? A much 
better alternative.Orrilia





From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:44:39 PM
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high cholesterol.  I 
am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more statins all different ones, 
been on them for years and really getting tired of all the side effects but 
when I go to the doctor right away by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking 
it.  I have tried natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  
My problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they 
can cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell don't 
need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults these days  
who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in our bodies.  Hell 
it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying they can cause cancer,  you 
can't win for losing
So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Melly Bag
I take vco, but unless you change your diet - less fat - this won't do a thing 
for you.  Melly

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT question?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:01 PM






Donna, I noticed someone mentioned coconut oil.  I also am taking that daily, 
about one tablespoon.  Orrilia





From: jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:59:33 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT question?



Donna, I just wanted to share my experience.  1-1/2 year ago, I totally went of 
my statin drugs (read the side effects and was shocked).  My blood work was due 
within the next 6 months.  I went and the doctor called me backed in to say it 
was very high.  She told to go back on the drugs (which I didn't of course).  
Anyways, it is one year later and just had my blood work done and was preparing 
for another call.  But the call didn't call, I have to call them and they 
stated that everything was fine.  She said my cholesterol level is considered 
average. I was in shock but so thrilled.  All that I have done in the past year 
on a daily basis (without changing my way of eating which is 1/2 very healthy 
and 1/2 half not too healthy) is this:
1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar/Organic with a 1/2 tsp. of baking soda (Bob's 
Red Mill) in a glass a water 1 hr. before supper, and, 1 tablespoon every night 
of Diatomaceous Food Grade Earth. Also increased my water intake. Also for 
mammogram, is there a clinic in your area that this Thermographies? A much 
better alternative.Orrilia





From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:44:39 PM
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high cholesterol.  I 
am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more statins all different ones, 
been on them for years and really getting tired of all the side effects but 
when I go to the doctor right away by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking 
it.  I have tried natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  
My problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they 
can cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell don't 
need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults these days  
who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in our bodies.  Hell 
it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying they can cause cancer,  you 
can't win for losing
So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Donna

Yes and I cook with it also!
Donna ACS




--- On *Mon, 9/21/09, jr orrilia /dallas6...@yahoo.com/* wrote:


From: jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT question?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:01 PM

Donna, I noticed someone mentioned coconut oil.  I also am taking
that daily, about one tablespoon.  Orrilia


*From:* jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 2:59:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSOT question?

Donna, I just wanted to share my experience.  1-1/2 year ago, I
totally went of my statin drugs (read the side effects and was
shocked).  My blood work was due within the next 6 months.  I went
and the doctor called me backed in to say it was very high.  She
told to go back on the drugs (which I didn't of course).  Anyways,
it is one year later and just had my blood work done and was
preparing for another call.  But the call didn't call, I have to
call them and they stated that everything was fine.  She said my
cholesterol level is considered average. I was in shock but so
thrilled.  All that I have done in the past year on a daily basis
(without changing my way of eating which is 1/2 very healthy and
1/2 half not too healthy) is this:
1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar/Organic with a 1/2 tsp. of
baking soda (Bob's Red Mill) in a glass a water 1 hr. before
supper, and, 1 tablespoon every night of Diatomaceous Food Grade
Earth. Also increased my water intake. Also for mammogram, is
there a clinic in your area that this Thermographies? A much
better alternative.Orrilia


*From:* Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 1:44:39 PM
*Subject:* CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really
getting tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor
right away by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I
have tried natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no
avail.  My problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I
just read about how they can cause Parkinson's and other
neuological problems and I sure as hell don't need that.  Maybe
that is why we see an increase in MS in adults these days  who
knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in our
bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying
they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing
So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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Re: CSH1N1 Flu vaccine

2009-09-21 Thread Clayton Family
why in the world would you have to get the shot?  Unless you are a  
health care practitioner, sometimes they are required as part of the  
work agreement to get certain vacs.



On Sep 21, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Larry Biggar wrote:


Dear Silver List.
Since you have quite a knowledge base. It appears that we don't need  
to worry about getting the flu. But what if we have to take the  
shot?! I've seen quite a few articles about various preps. to take  
after. But they are complicated and hard to get. At least to me. But  
I wonder if colloidal silver would be good for ingestion before and  
after? I hope this posts. As you know. I usually tag another mail.  
But i haven't seen any discussion about this. We need to wake up and  
understand what is being done to us! Thanks for any info!  Larry







Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Donna
Gina, I am totally with you about the doctors and meds so please do 
share the links please and what does one take to revive up the thyroid?

Thanks so much.
Donna ACS


I feel comfortable saying this since this is an alternative group.  It would
be very controversial elsewhere!  High cholesterol is usually from low
thyroid.  In the 'old days' doctors treated high cholesterol with thyroid
medication.  (NOT T4 only meds like Synthroid.)  Get your thyroid in order
and cholesterol goes down.  Broda Barnes, MD's book 'Hypothyroidism: The
Unsuspected Illness' has a great explaination of this!

Having high cholesterol does not increase your chance for heart attack or
heart disease.  Low thyroid however DOES increase those risks.  I can post
some links to supporting articles if you'd like.

I took Red Yeast Rice and it lowered my cholesterol so much the doc was
concerned with how low it was!  (I was taking it for the overall health
benefit, not high cholesterol.)  All 3 of my levels were very low, which she
commented that she had never seen!  I have since stopped taking it because
we NEED cholesterol!  It scared me to have it that low!  (I only took 1
bottle's worth.)

As far as mammograms, I will never have one.  You have to give 2970 women a
mamogram to save 1 life, but they can cause cancer in like 7-10 (I believe
that was the right number) of those women who get them, that would not have
normally gotten cancer.  Thermography is a better choice for breast cancer
screening.  Or take CS, eat fresh organic foods, get plenty of rest and
don't worry about getting any cancer!  :-)

Sorry for being on my soap box today.  I'm just tired of our doctors not
knowing that cholesterol lowering meds and mammograms are dangerous!

Gina

-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:45 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high 
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more 
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really getting 
tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor right away by 
my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I have tried natural red 
rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  My problem was 
inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they can 
cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell 
don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults 
these days  who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in 
our bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying 
they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing

So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS   



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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Donna

Melly what is VCO?
Donna ACS

I take vco, but unless you change your diet - less fat - this won't do 
a thing for you.  Melly


--- On *Mon, 9/21/09, jr orrilia /dallas6...@yahoo.com/* wrote:


From: jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT question?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:01 PM

Donna, I noticed someone mentioned coconut oil.  I also am taking
that daily, about one tablespoon.  Orrilia


*From:* jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 2:59:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSOT question?

Donna, I just wanted to share my experience.  1-1/2 year ago, I
totally went of my statin drugs (read the side effects and was
shocked).  My blood work was due within the next 6 months.  I went
and the doctor called me backed in to say it was very high.  She
told to go back on the drugs (which I didn't of course).  Anyways,
it is one year later and just had my blood work done and was
preparing for another call.  But the call didn't call, I have to
call them and they stated that everything was fine.  She said my
cholesterol level is considered average. I was in shock but so
thrilled.  All that I have done in the past year on a daily basis
(without changing my way of eating which is 1/2 very healthy and
1/2 half not too healthy) is this:
1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar/Organic with a 1/2 tsp. of
baking soda (Bob's Red Mill) in a glass a water 1 hr. before
supper, and, 1 tablespoon every night of Diatomaceous Food Grade
Earth. Also increased my water intake. Also for mammogram, is
there a clinic in your area that this Thermographies? A much
better alternative.Orrilia


*From:* Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 1:44:39 PM
*Subject:* CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really
getting tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor
right away by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I
have tried natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no
avail.  My problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I
just read about how they can cause Parkinson's and other
neuological problems and I sure as hell don't need that.  Maybe
that is why we see an increase in MS in adults these days  who
knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in our
bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying
they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing
So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Donna

I am going to try everything you have mentioned.
Thanks,
Donna ACS
Donna, I just wanted to share my experience.  1-1/2 year ago, I 
totally went of my statin drugs (read the side effects and was 
shocked).  My blood work was due within the next 6 months.  I went and 
the doctor called me backed in to say it was very high.  She told to 
go back on the drugs (which I didn't of course).  Anyways, it is one 
year later and just had my blood work done and was preparing for 
another call.  But the call didn't call, I have to call them and they 
stated that everything was fine.  She said my cholesterol level is 
considered average. I was in shock but so thrilled.  All that I have 
done in the past year on a daily basis (without changing my way of 
eating which is 1/2 very healthy and 1/2 half not too healthy) is this:
1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar/Organic with a 1/2 tsp. of baking 
soda (Bob's Red Mill) in a glass a water 1 hr. before supper, and, 1 
tablespoon every night of Diatomaceous Food Grade Earth. Also 
increased my water intake. Also for mammogram, is there a clinic in 
your area that this Thermographies? A much better alternative.Orrilia



*From:* Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 1:44:39 PM
*Subject:* CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high 
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more 
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really getting 
tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor right away 
by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I have tried natural 
red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  My problem was 
inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they can 
cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell 
don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults 
these days  who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put 
in our bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are 
saying they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing

So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS


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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread sol

Gina Moore wrote:

Having high cholesterol does not increase your chance for heart attack or
heart disease.  Low thyroid however DOES increase those risks.  I can post
some links to supporting articles if you'd like.

I took Red Yeast Rice and it lowered my cholesterol so much the doc was
concerned with how low it was!  (
Low cholesterol increases the risk of stroke and cancer. Don't have the 
reference in front of me, maybe can find info through google.


I can attest to the link between thyroid levels and total cholesterol. 
During a period when I was overmedicated on thyroid, my total 
cholesterol dropped way too low very fast, and my HDL was seriously low 
at that time. Once I cut my dose way down, and in effect, stopped being 
hyperthyroid, my cholesterol came back up to my normal levels
I also tend to have too much iron (high ferritin) and in the year during 
which I was overmedicated/hyperthyroid for many months, I loaded iron 
twice as fast as my normal annual average.

sol



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Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Garnet

THANK YOU  Chuck for a succinct reply.

Homeopathy is often mistaken for holistic or dilute or low 
level. It is none of these!


I do so wish people would learn how to use a dictionary or a 
search engine before

using words that they do not understand.

Garnet

cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

Being picky but the term homeopathic is being as much misused as
the term colloidal silveris.

A homeopathic remedy is a substance diluted to the point that all that
is left is its energy signature.
It's created via specific steps involving dilutions followed by
percussive shaking, followed by dilution,followed by percussive
shaking, etc.
You're left with energy not ppm.

No way in heck is CS homeopathic.

And according to the laws of homeopathy, true homeopathic silver would
be used to alleviate what silver does in the body.

Us CS users don't want THAT.

Chuck
Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
 
On 9/21/2009 9:56:08 AM, Bob Banever (bbane...@earthlink.net) wrote:

MaryAnn,

CS is not a heavy metal and
isn't handled by the body as one either. Aside from that, at 10 or 20 ppm it is a 
homeopathic product and 80% or so is in the ionic form, all particles being 
small nano sized silver. There is no danger of long term use in horses that I know of. 
Most gets excreted within 24 hours, and remainder within a few days or week at the most.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: MaryAnn Helland [link: mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net]
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver


Hi Jane. Thank you for your reply. EPM is Equine Protozoal Myloencephalitis -- 
a protozoal infection of the spinal cord, resulting in neurological symptoms 
consistent with the location of the infective lesion(s). Standard allopathic 
drug treatment is very expensive, and rarely effective for the simple reason 
that it isn't
continued long enough. One of the reasons that EIS is so valuable as a
treatment protocol is that it is very in-expensive, and people can afford
to treat their horses for as long as necessary. EPM
isn't unlike Lyme in that the protozoa seem to have the ability to hide in the 
body where the meds bypass them, t




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CSThyroid Supplements

2009-09-21 Thread Garnet
Iodoral Iodine supplement. Increasing Iodine in diet, 
Lugol's and

Magnascent Iodine also come up in discussions on Thyroid
supplements.

Try asking here for more detail. There are some caveats about
Iodine supplementation in certain conditions.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones

Also Magnesium boosts Thyroid function. Most are Mg deficient
Try to eat almonds, cashews, peanuts, all types of beans, dark
leafy greens to increase food sources. Soak in Epsom Salts and
know the symptoms of low Mg, twitches, ticks, muscle spasms,
hard muscles. Mg dumps instantly in sweat under stress due to
cortisol release. Any adrenalin release also releases cortisol.

Garnet

Donna wrote:
Gina, I am totally with you about the doctors and meds so please do 
share the links please and what does one take to revive up the thyroid?

Thanks so much.
Donna ACS

I feel comfortable saying this since this is an alternative group.  It 
would

be very controversial elsewhere!  High cholesterol is usually from low
thyroid.  In the 'old days' doctors treated high cholesterol with thyroid
medication.  (NOT T4 only meds like Synthroid.)  Get your thyroid in 
order

and cholesterol goes down.  Broda Barnes, MD's book 'Hypothyroidism: The
Unsuspected Illness' has a great explaination of this!

Having high cholesterol does not increase your chance for heart attack or
heart disease.  Low thyroid however DOES increase those risks.  I can 
post

some links to supporting articles if you'd like.

I took Red Yeast Rice and it lowered my cholesterol so much the doc was
concerned with how low it was!  (I was taking it for the overall health
benefit, not high cholesterol.)  All 3 of my levels were very low, 
which she
commented that she had never seen!  I have since stopped taking it 
because

we NEED cholesterol!  It scared me to have it that low!  (I only took 1
bottle's worth.)

As far as mammograms, I will never have one.  You have to give 2970 
women a
mamogram to save 1 life, but they can cause cancer in like 7-10 (I 
believe
that was the right number) of those women who get them, that would not 
have
normally gotten cancer.  Thermography is a better choice for breast 
cancer

screening.  Or take CS, eat fresh organic foods, get plenty of rest and
don't worry about getting any cancer!  :-)

Sorry for being on my soap box today.  I'm just tired of our doctors not
knowing that cholesterol lowering meds and mammograms are dangerous!

Gina

-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 
21, 2009 10:45 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high 
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more 
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really getting 
tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor right away 
by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I have tried natural 
red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  My problem was 
inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they can 
cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I sure as hell 
don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults 
these days  who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put 
in our bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are 
saying they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing

So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS  


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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread cking001
A couple of tablespoons of granulated lecithin in water or whatever,
daily brings cholesterol down. No bad taste either.
http://www.puritan.com/lecithin-064/lecithin-granules-001060

Chuck
Alcohol is not the answer, it just makes you forget the question.


On 9/21/2009 1:44:39 PM, Donna (dscroggs44...@gmail.com) wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high
 cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more
 statins all different ones, been on them for years and really getting
 tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor right away by
 my blood work she can tell
 I'm not taking it.  I have tried natural red
 rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  My problem was
 inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about how they can
 cause Parkinson's
 and other neuological problems and I sure as hell
 don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase in MS in adults
 these days  who knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in
 our bodies.  Hell it's
 time for my Mammogram and now they are saying
 they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing
 So any ideas anyone?
 Donna ACS
 
 
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RE: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Gina Moore
http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/thyroidtreatments1/

This link is a really good place to start.  I've been researching
thyroid/adrenals for over a year and gleaning info from people that have
been researching it for 5, 10 and more years.  I think Dr. Holtorf has the
best understanding of it.  He's as close to perfect as we can get.  :-)

I take T3 (a thyroid hormone), which is a bioidentical hormone replacement.
I don't convert well and the treatment for that is T3.  I also take adrenal
hormones.  Of course, there are some OTC meds that are supposed to help, but
I have no experience with them!

The thing is, you need to know why your thyroid isn't working right in the
first place.  Do you have low ferritin or B12?  Are your adrenals working
properly?  Do you have high RT3?  Do you have an underlying infection?  All
of these things (and more) can contribute to thyroid being low in the first
place.  You have to become a detective to figure it out, but it is possible.
You may not need thyroid meds if something else is keeping thyroid from
working.

If you can get a few labs done that would be good.  Free T3, Reverse T3,
B-12, Ferritin, Vit D, AM cortisol... those to start.  It will give you
enough info to get started on something.

VCO is fantastic for thyroid, so even just adding it would be great.  It's
the only oil that is truly safe to cook in.  (It doesn't get carcinogenic
when heated.)  It's fantastic!  It's the only oil I use.  Taking a tbs a day
by mouth is very good, but work up to that.  It can cause herxes!

That's my 2 cents for now...
Gina

-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT question?

Gina, I am totally with you about the doctors and meds so please do 
share the links please and what does one take to revive up the thyroid?
Thanks so much.
Donna ACS



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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Kirsteen Wright
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high
 cholesterol.


There's a lot of controversy over whether cholesterol needs to be lowered.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/06/17/1-5-million-more-people-to-be-prescribed-useless-cholesterol-drugs.aspx

If you go to this page there's absolutely loads of links about it

Cheers
Kirsteen


CSDr Mercola Squalene

2009-09-21 Thread Tony Moody


On 20 Sep 2009 at 12:38, Paul Bond wrote about :
Subject : CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2009 #

 I couldn't read the article because there was a big 'sign-in' pop up
 appeared that it wouldn't let me close.  Only thing I wanted to say is
 there's a great difference between injecting a substance and taking it
 orally.  Squalene is on my list of things to study, but don't know much
 about it yet.



 Paul B

Here are the text contents of that page :
http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2009/07/17/squalene-the-
swine-flu-vaccines-dirty-little-secret-exposed.aspx

Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed
Posted by: Dr. Mercola  July 17 2009 | 52,248 views

By Dr. Mercola

According to Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the U.S. Department of
Health and Human Services, your children should be the first target for
mass swine flu vaccinations when school starts this fall.[i]

This is a ridiculous assumption for many reasons, not to mention
extremely high risk.

In Australia, where the winter season has begun, Federal Health
Minister Nicola Roxon is reassuring parents the swine flu is no more
dangerous than regular seasonal flu. Most people, including children,
will experience very mild symptoms and recover without any medical
intervention, she said.[ii]

Sydney-based immunization specialist Robert Booy predicts swine flu
might be fatal to about twice as many children in the coming year as
regular influenza. Booy estimates 10-12 children could die from the H1N1
virus, compared with the five or six regular flu deaths seen among
children in an average year in Australia.[iii]

“Cure the Disease, Kill the Patient”

Less than 100 children in the U.S. die each year from seasonal flu
viruses.[iv] If we use Australia’s math, a very rough estimate would be
another 100 children could potentially die of swine flu in the United
States in the coming year.

If children are the first target group in the U.S. per Sebelius, that
means we’re about to inject around 75 million children with a fast
tracked vaccine containing novel adjuvants, including dangerous squalene,
to prevent perhaps 100 deaths.

I’m not overlooking the tragedy of the loss of even one child to an
illness like the H1N1 flu virus. But there can be no argument that
unnecessary mass injection of millions of children with a vaccine
containing an adjuvant known to cause a host of debilitating autoimmune
diseases is a reckless, dangerous plan.

Why are Vaccinations Dangerous?

The presumed intent of a vaccination is to help you build immunity to
potentially harmful organisms that cause illness and disease. However,
your body’s immune system is already designed to do this in response to
organisms which invade your body naturally.

Most disease-causing organisms enter your body through the mucous
membranes of your nose, mouth, pulmonary system or your digestive tract –
not through an injection.

These mucous membranes have their own immune system, called the IgA
immune system. It is a different system from the one activated when a
vaccine is injected into your body.

Your IgA immune system is your body’s first line of defense. Its job
is to fight off invading organisms at their entry points, reducing or
even eliminating the need for activation of your body’s immune system.

When a virus is injected into your body in a vaccine, and especially
when combined with an immune adjuvant like squalene, your IgA immune
system is bypassed and your body’s immune system kicks into high gear in
response to the vaccination.

Injecting organisms into your body to provoke immunity is contrary to
nature, and vaccination carries enormous potential to do serious damage
to your health.

And as if Vaccines Weren’t Dangerous Enough on Their Own …

… imagine them turbocharged.

The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live
ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful).

Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including
ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and
even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also
contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.

The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance
(turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause
your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism
you’re being vaccinated against.

Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not
more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and
the number of doses given per individual.

Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses
available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly
the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make
millions from their vaccines.

Will There Be 

Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Tony Moody
Hi Dan,

Would one be advised to take Argentum Metalicum or Argentum Nitricum to
counteract the argyria? If so what potency would be recommended?

Thanks,
Tony M

On 21 Sep 2009 at 9:44, Dan Nave wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

 He's probably talking about Argentum Metallicum, or Argentum Nitricum
 which are Homeopathic medicines.  Our CS is much like the mother tincture
 of Argentum Metallicum; it is not potentiated.

 I can't say that he correct about having to stop the CS, but the
 Homeopathics may also work.

 Dan



 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland
 marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  Hi group.  I need some advice from the knowledgeable folks here.  I
  own/moderate a chat group dedicated to the use of CS to treat primarily
  EPM in horses.  Many of us on the list have been using CS successfully
  for up to ten years, at the rate of two to four cups per day of CS on an
  ongoing basis.  Some people have been able to discontinue CS altogether
  -- most have not, as discontinuing it results in a recurrence of
  symptoms.  One of the women on the list has been told by her
  *acupuncture vet* to discontinue the CS because of the accumulation of
  heavy metals over such a long period of use (10 years in this case) and
  has suggested that instead she switch to homeopathic silver which she
  said his body would recognize and respond to.  I Googled homeopathic
  silver, and all I can seem to come up with is *colloidal silver* and
  *silver nitrate*.  What I'm reading sounds like misinformation to me.  I
  know that the EIS that we make is not comprised of heavy metals -- don't
  think that silver qualifies as such anyway -- and the woman who owns the
  EPM horse knows that as well.  But it is difficult for people to respond
  when confronted by an authority figure such as a vet. What I need is a
  concise response for her regarding *homeopathic silver* that she can
  understand herself, and that she can pass along to her vet in response
  to this claim.  I'll appreciate any responses.  Thanks.  MA
 


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Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver

2009-09-21 Thread Tony Moody
Hi MA,

The little I know of homeopathy is that homeopathic silver would be used
to counteract the effects of silver 'poisoning' if there is such a thing.
homeopathic silver would be the opposite of colloidal silver. Yes?

I don't think CS can be homeopathic because silver doesn't dissolve in
water. To make homeopathic silver one would have to mix powdered silver
with lactose powder and shake that.

I do hope there is someone knowledgeable to answer this one.

OK,
Tony M

On 21 Sep 2009 at 7:46, MaryAnn Helland wrote about :
Subject : Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic

 Hi Bob.  Thanks for your reply.  I'm keeping your post, if you don't mind,
 and will forward it to the horse's owner.  She knows all of this already,
 but it always helps to hear it again from someone else.  What I'm
 primarily looking for, though, is information to counter the vet's
 thinking -- that *homeopathic silver* (referred to as silver nitrate on
 Google references) -- is, in fact, just eyewash and misinformation in
 order to sell a given product.  And why, in fact, silver nitrate would be
 a poor choice.  Can you help with this?  Thanks.  MA 




 
 From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:56:08 AM
 Subject: Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver


 MaryAnn,
  
  CS is not a heavy metal and isn't handled by the body as one either. 
 Aside from that, at 10 or 20 ppm it is a homeopathic product and 80% or
 so is in the ionic form, all particles being small nano sized silver. 
 There is no danger of long term use in horses that I know of.  Most gets
 excreted within 24 hours, and remainder within a few days or week at the
 most.   Bob - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To:
 silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 6:36 AM Subject:
 Re: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver   Hi Jane.  Thank you for
 your reply.  EPM is Equine Protozoal Myloencephalitis -- a protozoal
 infection of the spinal cord, resulting in neurological symptoms
 consistent with the location of the infective lesion(s).  Standard
 allopathic drug treatment is very expensive, and rarely effective for the
 simple reason that it isn't continued long enough.  One of the reasons
 that EIS is so valuable as a treatment protocol is that it is very
 in-expensive, and people can afford to treat their horses for as long as
 necessary.  EPM isn't unlike Lyme in that the protozoa seem to have the
 ability to hide in the body where the meds bypass them, then they
 re-emerge later to create havoc again.  So -- I'm of the mind, as I
 think are most of the list-members here, that the EIS that we make is at
 the least as good as, and likely superior to, any other silver product.  I
 feel that we're already using what is most appropriate -- we've been
 successfully using it for
  many years.  The information that I'm needing is how to explain to a vet
  who is apparently misinformed about silver products, that she is
  (misinformed) and to be able to explain why.  Anyone who is referring to
  CS as *heavy metal* isn't educated on the subject -- and if you're going
  to tell this to a vet, you better be understanding the information
  yourself.  So that's the kind of information that I'm looking for. 
  Thanks again.  MA 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:55:09 AM
 Subject: Mary was // Re: CSHomeopathic Silver
 
 
 Mary you need to get an on-line homeopathic materia medica and check out
 the varieties of silver to be found in it and then choose what is most
 appropriate for your needs. Not sure what EPM is to comment further,  
 Best,   Jane  



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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread jr orrilia
Kirsteen, you are absolutely right.  Jim Humble had mentioned that cholesterol 
is produced by the body to line arteries that are damaged and stops them from 
collapsing.  The body is so intelligent.  Orrilia





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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:09:59 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT question?




On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote:

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high cholesterol.  


There's a lot of controversy over whether cholesterol needs to be lowered. 

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/06/17/1-5-million-more-people-to-be-prescribed-useless-cholesterol-drugs.aspx

If you go to this page there's absolutely loads of links about it

Cheers
Kirsteen


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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Deborah Gerard
you can send thoughs links to me if you would,
thanks deb





From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:24:13 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT question?

Gina Moore wrote:
 Having high cholesterol does not increase your chance for heart attack or
 heart disease.  Low thyroid however DOES increase those risks.  I can post
 some links to supporting articles if you'd like.
 
 I took Red Yeast Rice and it lowered my cholesterol so much the doc was
 concerned with how low it was!  (
Low cholesterol increases the risk of stroke and cancer. Don't have the 
reference in front of me, maybe can find info through google.

I can attest to the link between thyroid levels and total cholesterol. During a 
period when I was overmedicated on thyroid, my total cholesterol dropped way 
too low very fast, and my HDL was seriously low at that time. Once I cut my 
dose way down, and in effect, stopped being hyperthyroid, my cholesterol came 
back up to my normal levels
I also tend to have too much iron (high ferritin) and in the year during which 
I was overmedicated/hyperthyroid for many months, I loaded iron twice as fast 
as my normal annual average.
sol



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Re: CSThyroid Supplements

2009-09-21 Thread Garnet

http://www.thyrophoenix.com/index.html

We've set up this site with the thought in mind that there 
are many, many people searching the internet for information 
for themselves or a loved on and are unsure where to go.


There are so many technical websites that provide us with a 
lot of great information, but information isn't the only 
thing we seek when first learning to deal with Thyroid 
Disorders. We can also be very hungry to find folks, like 
us, that have faced the same issues or may even be going 
through them now.


Here you will find links to a variety of informational sites 
where you'll be able to find information on thyroid 
diseases, symptoms, medications and support supplements.


You'll also find links to a few support groups that we have 
found to be very helpful.

As well as links to our own groups:

The Thyroid Support Group

Exploring Thyroid Disease. Medications, supplements, 
exercise and group support for those wish to learn more 
about TD for themselves or a loved one.


Garnet wrote:

Iodoral Iodine supplement. Increasing Iodine in diet, Lugol's and
Magnascent Iodine also come up in discussions on Thyroid
supplements.

Try asking here for more detail. There are some caveats about
Iodine supplementation in certain conditions.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones

Also Magnesium boosts Thyroid function. Most are Mg deficient
Try to eat almonds, cashews, peanuts, all types of beans, dark
leafy greens to increase food sources. Soak in Epsom Salts and
know the symptoms of low Mg, twitches, ticks, muscle spasms,
hard muscles. Mg dumps instantly in sweat under stress due to
cortisol release. Any adrenalin release also releases cortisol.

Garnet

Donna wrote:
Gina, I am totally with you about the doctors and meds so please do 
share the links please and what does one take to revive up the thyroid?

Thanks so much.
Donna ACS

I feel comfortable saying this since this is an alternative group.  
It would

be very controversial elsewhere!  High cholesterol is usually from low
thyroid.  In the 'old days' doctors treated high cholesterol with 
thyroid
medication.  (NOT T4 only meds like Synthroid.)  Get your thyroid in 
order

and cholesterol goes down.  Broda Barnes, MD's book 'Hypothyroidism: The
Unsuspected Illness' has a great explaination of this!

Having high cholesterol does not increase your chance for heart 
attack or
heart disease.  Low thyroid however DOES increase those risks.  I can 
post

some links to supporting articles if you'd like.

I took Red Yeast Rice and it lowered my cholesterol so much the doc was
concerned with how low it was!  (I was taking it for the overall health
benefit, not high cholesterol.)  All 3 of my levels were very low, 
which she
commented that she had never seen!  I have since stopped taking it 
because

we NEED cholesterol!  It scared me to have it that low!  (I only took 1
bottle's worth.)

As far as mammograms, I will never have one.  You have to give 2970 
women a
mamogram to save 1 life, but they can cause cancer in like 7-10 (I 
believe
that was the right number) of those women who get them, that would 
not have
normally gotten cancer.  Thermography is a better choice for breast 
cancer

screening.  Or take CS, eat fresh organic foods, get plenty of rest and
don't worry about getting any cancer!  :-)

Sorry for being on my soap box today.  I'm just tired of our doctors not
knowing that cholesterol lowering meds and mammograms are dangerous!

Gina

-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 
21, 2009 10:45 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT question?

I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high 
cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more 
statins all different ones, been on them for years and really getting 
tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor right away 
by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I have tried 
natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no avail.  My 
problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I just read about 
how they can cause Parkinson's and other neuological problems and I 
sure as hell don't need that.  Maybe that is why we see an increase 
in MS in adults these days  who knows with all this crap they want us 
to take and put in our bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and 
now they are saying they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing

So any ideas anyone?
Donna ACS 
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Re: CSOT question? cholesterol

2009-09-21 Thread ZZekelink
 
In a message dated 9/21/2009 1:45:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dscroggs44...@gmail.com writes:

I was  wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high  
cholesterol.  


 
Hi Donna, Not sure if it will help you but worth looking  into.. I just got 
some Diatomaceous Earth on line  one of the things they  reported for 
humans was the fact that it has, in some reports from their people,  Lowered 
cholesterol 50-75 points.  Here are a couple sites to go to with  
information...Lois  _http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomaceous_earth.html_ 
(http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomaceous_earth.html)  
   _http://www.earthworkshealth.com/How-Diatomaceous-Earth-Works.php_ 
(http://www.earthworkshealth.com/How-Diatomaceous-Earth-Works.php)  
 
 
 



CSWhy not blue?

2009-09-21 Thread john freese
Hello,
I found this video on youtube. I have seen his name on the list a few times in 
the past. My question is. Why is this man not Blue? Or is the white cloudy 
stuff made in 3 minutes ok?
 This video might be better named (How not to make colloidal silver.) John.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVO-cTrEiCE 


  

RE: CSWhy not blue?

2009-09-21 Thread Neville Munn

[This video might be better named (How not to make colloidal silver.)]

-Not necessarily, so don't be too quick there.  But I can't make out if Bob 
days 'tap' or 'tank' water, if your ears are better than mine let me know what 
he said.

 

I produce EIS with one of those old battery units using rain water when the 
need arises to get stuck into an issue in a hurry, and on laboratory analysis a 
glass of rain water (similar size to the one he's using) gives me 40+ppm in 3 
minutes (water temp dependant I spose) and that's why I do it, to get that 
higher silver content, specially ionic form, to flood the system.  I won't use 
tap water however but have no reservations with rain water whatsoever.

 

N.
 


Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:18:02 -0700
From: jrf...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSWhy not blue?






Hello,

I found this video on youtube. I have seen his name on the list a few times in 
the past. My question is. Why is this man not Blue? Or is the white cloudy 
stuff made in 3 minutes ok?

 This video might be better named (How not to make colloidal silver.) John.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVO-cTrEiCE 

  
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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Brickeyk
I lowered my cholesterol about 120 points by taking a whiskey glass of  
Apple Cider Vinegar with a whiskey glass of olive oil every day for one year. I 
 reduced my red meat to like once per week and tried to add more vegetables 
and  fruits. I tried to get Braggs vinegar. 
Brickey


Re: CSWhy not blue?

2009-09-21 Thread Clayton Family
That looks like it is Bob Beck, and he is speaking somewhere in Orange  
County, Calif, he is using Arrowhead spring water- he called it tap  
water also. He might have been in Anaheim, or maybe Fullerton.


It is ok, he is not using a current limiter, but is running it for a  
short time.


Kathryn

On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:18 PM, john freese wrote:


Hello,
I found this video on youtube. I have seen his name on the list a  
few times in the past. My question is. Why is this man not Blue? Or  
is the white cloudy stuff made in 3 minutes ok?
 This video might be better named (How not to make colloidal  
silver.) John.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVO-cTrEiCE





Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Garry Hobart
I strongly agree that there is a LOT of question on whether or not 
cholesterol should be
lowered, or even if it is a problem at all. It occurs to me that France 
should have
had a coronary by now if there was ANY validity at all to the 
cholesterol propaganda.
Unfortunately for the cholesterol theorists the opposite seems to be the 
case. Heart disease
is much lower in France than in the USA. It's not just because of the 
wine either. The
French don't eat trans-fats! They do eat more butter than just about any 
nation on earth,
but they don't eat margarine the way Americans do.  The huge increase in 
heart disease in
the united states directly correlates with the introduction of 
hydrogenated oils into the food

supply. IMO hydrogenated oils are the cause of heart disease.

If it IS the wine preventing heart disease, I'll have a glass with my 
steak, thank you very much!


By the way, why hasn't heart disease dropped significantly since the 
introduction

of statin drugs???

Garry

Kirsteen Wright wrote:



On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com 
mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote:


I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high
cholesterol. 



There's a lot of controversy over whether cholesterol needs to be 
lowered.


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/06/17/1-5-million-more-people-to-be-prescribed-useless-cholesterol-drugs.aspx

If you go to this page there's absolutely loads of links about it

Cheers
Kirsteen




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Re: CSOT question?

2009-09-21 Thread Melly Bag
Donna,
 
VCO is virgin coconut oil.
 
Melly

--- On Mon, 9/21/09, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: CSOT question?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 4:02 PM


Melly what is VCO?
Donna ACS

 I take vco, but unless you change your diet - less fat - this won't do 
 a thing for you.  Melly

 --- On *Mon, 9/21/09, jr orrilia /dallas6...@yahoo.com/* wrote:


     From: jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
     Subject: Re: CSOT question?
     To: silver-list@eskimo.com
     Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:01 PM

     Donna, I noticed someone mentioned coconut oil.  I also am taking
     that daily, about one tablespoon.  Orrilia

     
     *From:* jr orrilia dallas6...@yahoo.com
     *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
     *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 2:59:33 PM
     *Subject:* Re: CSOT question?

     Donna, I just wanted to share my experience.  1-1/2 year ago, I
     totally went of my statin drugs (read the side effects and was
     shocked).  My blood work was due within the next 6 months.  I went
     and the doctor called me backed in to say it was very high.  She
     told to go back on the drugs (which I didn't of course).  Anyways,
     it is one year later and just had my blood work done and was
     preparing for another call.  But the call didn't call, I have to
     call them and they stated that everything was fine.  She said my
     cholesterol level is considered average. I was in shock but so
     thrilled.  All that I have done in the past year on a daily basis
     (without changing my way of eating which is 1/2 very healthy and
     1/2 half not too healthy) is this:
     1 teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar/Organic with a 1/2 tsp. of
     baking soda (Bob's Red Mill) in a glass a water 1 hr. before
     supper, and, 1 tablespoon every night of Diatomaceous Food Grade
     Earth. Also increased my water intake. Also for mammogram, is
     there a clinic in your area that this Thermographies? A much
     better alternative.Orrilia

     
     *From:* Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
     *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
     *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2009 1:44:39 PM
     *Subject:* CSOT question?

     I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my high
     cholesterol.  I am on Crestor and I am trying to not take any more
     statins all different ones, been on them for years and really
     getting tired of all the side effects but when I go to the doctor
     right away by my blood work she can tell I'm not taking it.  I
     have tried natural red rice yeast, ACV, diet and exercise to no
     avail.  My problem was inherited  Dad had the same problem.  I
     just read about how they can cause Parkinson's and other
     neuological problems and I sure as hell don't need that.  Maybe
     that is why we see an increase in MS in adults these days  who
     knows with all this crap they want us to take and put in our
     bodies.  Hell it's time for my Mammogram and now they are saying
     they can cause cancer,  you can't win for losing
     So any ideas anyone?
     Donna ACS


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CSSqualene, GWS MainStreamMedia

2009-09-21 Thread Paul Bond
Thanks for that.  It contained pretty much what I was expecting re the
injection vs oral route.  Those Gulf War stats are incredible though.  At
the risk of being too far off topic... I get to wondering lately why there
are so many 'conspiracies' going around that appear to have overwhelming
supporting evidence, and yet they seem to sit there in full view of the
public and without consequences.  The protests on 911 recently for example I
couldn't find on any mainstream media in the West (although I'm in the Asia
and couldn't find any here either), yet it was all over Russian tv.  GWS
you'd think would have people protesting in the streets for damaging so many
lives (quite aside from the lives in the target countries).  Does it happen
and we don't get to see it, or is it unknown to most people?  For the life
of me I cannot understand, however I try, why so much effort, skill and
money is spent on damaging people, and then also in patching them up.  In
one scene there's a million dollars of bombs blows peoples limbs off, and in
the next they have the best surgeons in the world with all kinds of hi-tech
equipment to sew them back on.  

 

Makes me think the Vaccine is the next development in war, when we realise
that we're the enemy all along.

 

From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
[mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: 21 September 2009 23:53
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #564

 

 

Here are the text contents of that page :

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2009/07/17/squalene-the-

swine-flu-vaccines-dirty-little-secret-exposed.aspx

 

[snip]



Re: CSOT question? cholesterol

2009-09-21 Thread sol






  
  
  
  
  In a message dated 9/21/2009 1:45:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dscroggs44...@gmail.com writes:
  I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for my
high 
cholesterol. 
  
  
Low carb diet will lower triglycerides, but probably not total
cholesterol. After seriously lowering carbs and sugars, my
triglycerides dropped 197 pts. 
sol




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Re: CSWhy not blue?

2009-09-21 Thread sol

What does your rain water read before you start brewing your CS?
sol

Neville Munn wrote:
I produce EIS with one of those old battery units using rain water 
when the need arises to get stuck into an issue in a hurry, and on 
laboratory analysis a glass of rain water (similar size to the one 
he's using) gives me 40+ppm in 3 minutes (water temp dependant I 
spose) and that's why I do it, to get that higher silver content, 
specially ionic form, to flood the system.  I won't use tap water 
however but have no reservations with rain water whatsoever.



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RE: CSWhy not blue?

2009-09-21 Thread Neville Munn

That's a bit of a problem sol.  I can't remember as it's so long ago, what I do 
remember clearly is that when checking the reading after brewing the reading 
had gone DOWN.  Not being a chemist I was surprised it went down instead of up 
(ignorance and naivety at the time g) but I found out that this is normal due 
to organics or such in the water and if left brewing long enough the reading 
would eventually go up again to give approximation of ppm.

 

Explanation for this is over my head sol, so I never bothered after that cos 
it's only brewed for a very short time, but had some lab tested so I had an 
idea of silver content.  The 40+ result was what came back so I just run with 
that.

 

P.S. I just went out and tested a sample...45.3uS.  It's raining at the moment 
and I only cleaned growing weeds, mud and moss from the gutters yesterday (yeah 
I know, I'm slack) so there is a fair amount of crap still washing into the 
tank from my debris cleaning, pity this conversation hadn't occurred 48 hours 
ago before the water got stirred up g.

 

N.
 
 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:45:57 -0600
 From: sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSWhy not blue?
 
 What does your rain water read before you start brewing your CS?
 sol
 
 Neville Munn wrote:
  I produce EIS with one of those old battery units using rain water 
  when the need arises to get stuck into an issue in a hurry, and on 
  laboratory analysis a glass of rain water (similar size to the one 
  he's using) gives me 40+ppm in 3 minutes (water temp dependant I 
  spose) and that's why I do it, to get that higher silver content, 
  specially ionic form, to flood the system. I won't use tap water 
  however but have no reservations with rain water whatsoever.
 
 
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