date:20100113

But they will go on making money at the cost of lives and they will never be 
brought to account or stopped.  dee

On 12 Jan 2010, at 23:29, Bob Banever wrote:

 Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals
 
 
 In a study released by the International Journal of Biological Sciences, 
 analyzing the effects of genetically modified foods on mammalian health, 
 researchers found that agricultural giant Monsanto's GM corn is linked to 
 organ damage in rats.
 


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Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #33

I have been buying the sodium ascorbate but have now ordered a whole food type 
(darn) as the ascorbate version is cheaper.  I can't afford the liposomal 
version as it is too expensive.  Thanks for the info.  dee

On 13 Jan 2010, at 02:44, Paul Bond wrote:

 I would go for ascorbate every time, since as I understand it, that is what 
 humans cannot produce themselves (unlike the vast majority of mammals).  
 Specifically I would go for a Liposomal version, as it’s absorbtion rate is 
 so high compared to regular supplementation, and doesn’t have bowel tolerance 
 issues.  I would go as far as to say that it’s even superior to IV 
 supplementation due to its affinity to cell absorbtion rather than free 
 roaming.  There’s some compelling evidence to suggest that under some 
 circumstances it’s worth going to 50-100g per day(!!), in cases such as 
 cancer, as within the cell it can convert to H2O2. 
  
  
 Thank you Brooks for that really helpful article.  Can you say whether in 
 your opinion, it is better to take sodium ascorbate or a whole form of vit C. 
  Thank you again and may you have many more Happy New Years!  dee
  
 
 
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Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #34

Also undenatured whey as it contains the precursors to glutathione and loads of 
other goodies!  I personally don't like taking separate minerals because of 
causing imbalance, so prefer to take chlorella or kelp because it contains ALL 
the minerals and most vits you need, in the right amounts and right forms.  
Plus Vit C and in my opinion one of the most important of all in cold climates: 
Vit D3.  dee

On 13 Jan 2010, at 02:59, Paul Bond wrote:

 Not as thorough as Johns impressive protocol, but an easy way to resolve a 
 huge number of modern life nutritional issues can be dealt with the following 
 (in no particular order):
  
 Kelp
 Moringa
 Virgin Coconut Oil
 Vit C and Magnesium
  
 A book could easily be written on the above, but between them they cover most 
 of the bases, and you can fine tune from there if there’s a need.
  
 Regards
 Paul

CSFwd: Colloidal Silver Has Been Banned Throughout Europe!

How many folks on silver list hyave read or heard about this?

John

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Subject: Colloidal Silver Has Been Banned Throughout Europe!
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Hi, Steve Barwick here, for www.TheSilverEdge.comhttp://www.thesilveredge.com/
...

Colloidal silver has now officially been banned -- yes, *banned* --
throughout the European Union!

As of January 1, 2010 it can no longer be legally sold in any health food
store in the EU as a nutritional supplement.

A few short days from now I’ll publish the details of the ban on the
Colloidal Silver Secrets blog at
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.  I’ll be posting an exclusive report which will include important new
information from one of Europe’s leading health freedom groups.

I’ll also explain how the ban was passed while the European public slept
right through it, completely oblivious to what was happening right before
their eyes -- and why the same thing now threatens to happen here in the
U.S.

In the meantime, be sure to go to the Colloidal Secrets blog, at the link
directly above, and read my preliminary posting (dated Jan 12, 2010) on this
unprecedented ban – the world’s *first* major multi-national ban on the sale
of colloidal silver.

Be sure to read the post in its entirety, so you’ll have the necessary
background information for my upcoming full-length report on the new
European ban on colloidal silver, and how it will ultimately affect the
health freedom rights of all Americans, and all colloidal silver users like
you throughout the United States, Canada and the rest of the world!

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I've just had an email from Energize for Life selling CS at £29.99!  Thats 
about $48!  how do they get away with it?  It looks to me as if it is just the 
same as I make although they say it is pure colloidal silver, but it is called 
phIon.  dee

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Re: CSA question

You would have made the silver particles agglomerate i.e. clump together sunny. 
 This means they would be bigger and not so easy to eliminate although, in this 
amount, it probably wouldn't matter.  I don't know if it would do anything 
about the efficacy of it though.  dee

On 12 Jan 2010, at 20:53, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote:

 About 8 months ago I bought a large bottle of colloidal silver.   When it was 
 halfway done I decided to add some oil of oregano to the mix. I've been using 
 it ever since [spraying it on my gums because I did have some dental problems 
 and didn't want them to recur] and now am beginning to think that I've ruined 
 the silver.  ;-)
  
 Is this the case?  
  
 thanks
 sunny

Re: CScolloidal silver

2010-01-13 Thread Ode Coyote




  Anti werewolf squirt gun ammo?
..good for the bites too!

All the things is a pretty big order.
It's more like, try it..if it works, it did.

Ode


At 09:27 AM 1/12/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I am new at this(I just joined) and I would like to know all the things 
that colloidal silver can be used for.


I have been a strong believer(for many years) in staying away from 
drugs(whether legal-illegal-over the  counter or prescribed. I like the 
phrase Practicing Doctor who do you think they are practicing on?



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Re: CSVery interesting, and true

2010-01-13 Thread Ode Coyote




  The bad thing is..it works in politics too.
Do a 200 year continuity check..there isn't much left but a very general 
belief.


Is a zebra black on white, or white on black? [or is it a zebra?]

When I get conned, I hang out with the con man.
Obviously, I'm the other half of the game.
..and I'm the easiest person on this planet for me to fool.

Ode


At 02:52 PM 1/12/2010 +, you wrote:
thats amazing Ode, I didn't spot any of them!  and I thought I was 
observant!  dee


On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:26, Ode Coyote wrote:

 If you ever get a chance to watch Derren Brown in action, do it and 
doubt your senses [Mind Control with Derren Brown]


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAntzB7EwE
 http://www.youtube.com/user/philosophyblackbelt#p/a/f/0/vBPG_OBgTWg

 There are those that STUDY this stuff and most that absolutely believe 
such things are impossible [called suckers ]

 But you can be fooled even when you know you are being fooled.

 Ode



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Re: CSWhere to buy CMO

2010-01-13 Thread Bernadette

Steve:  

In response to your inquiry - I have been taking (under Mr. Bradley's guidance) 
EIS, CMO, Del Immune V, MSM, Encapsulated Vit. C, and ConcenTrace minerals, and 
the results are extraordinary, for me. 

I had been sick for a period of many years, getting every cold, flu and virus 
and bacterial infection passed on to me by grandchildren, etc.  As a matter of 
a time line I was sick constantly in 2007, 2008.  Since beginning the above 
daily intake of supplements, I am healthy.  I have not had a cold, the flu or 
any infections.  

When I begin to feel something coming on, and you can feel this, I double up on 
my Del Immune V.  This alone has been a God send. I don't think I would be this 
healthy if it were not for this immune system support.  I purchase this from 
Simply the Best.

Since I started CMO my hands and joints are improved 110%.  Before the shooting 
pain was constant.  Today I can use the hands, almost pain free.  Of course, I 
get twinges of an uncomfortable feeling, but nothing like before.  If I was a 
good girl and took it every day like I am supposed to do, I know the pain would 
be nonexistent.  I purchase this from Beyond A Century.

I take MSM everyday.  It supports, in my humble opinion, the CMO, the 
Del-Immune V.  I also purchase this from Beyond a Century.

After all is said and done, I will Never Never Never be without the Del-Immune 
V again.  This alone has been my saving grace.

I cannot every thank Brooks for his kind words and guidance.  I don't remember 
when we first began to talk or why, but he has helped me more than any other 
person and I am eternally grateful.  Listen to him, he does know what he is 
talking about and only has goodness and caring in his heart for all mankind.  

Thanks to all.
Bernadette


  - Original Message - 
  From: SJY 
  To: Silver List 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:13 PM
  Subject: CSWhere to buy CMO


  List (especially Brooks),

   

  Not finding a source of Cetyl Myristoleate (CMO) locally, I searched the 
Internet.  As you can imagine, there are many sources, each making wonderful 
claims about their products, and some bad-mouthing their competitors, etc.  So 
I need recommendations from you who have used CMO with good results.  What 
brands and sources do you recommend?  What are your recommendations regarding 
products that compound CMO with digestive enzymes, Glucosamine, Hyaluronic 
Acid, etc.  To keep this on topic, have you users of CMO had any adverse 
effects from also taking EIS (CS)?  Responses either on or off list will be 
appreciated.

   

  Thank you,

   

  Steve Y.

CSDisruption cancer cell replication by electric fields

http://www.mydigitalfc.com/news/disruption-cancer-cell-replication-electric-fields-343

Disruption cancer cell replication by electric fields
By Purnendu Ghosh Dec 21 2009


The issues related to the likely impact of the exposure of
electromagnetic fields (EMF) on our health, particularly risks of
cancer have been addressed by the World Health Organisation (WHO).
Fortunately, EMF exposures at home or work are not linked to cancer.
The good news is that electric fields combined with chemotherapy can
help prevention of tumours.

The alternating electric fields of very low frequencies (less than 1
kHz) have shown to stimulate excitable tissues such as nerve, muscle
and heart. Low frequency electric fields also claim to stimulate bone
growth and accelerate fracture healing. At very high frequencies
tissue heating becomes dominant, thus serving the basis for some
commonly used medical treatments such as diathermy and radio frequency
tumour ablation.

Intermediate-frequency electric fields do not cause muscle stimulation
nor generate heat. The low-intensity (2 V/cm), intermediate frequency
(100–300 kHz) EMF, however, has shown to inhibit growth of a variety
of human and rodent cell lines and malignant tumours in animals.

The research conducted at the Israel (Novocure, Israel Institute of
Technology, Weizmann Institute of Science and Elisha Medical Centre)
indicate disruption of cancer cell replication by alternating electric
fields. The effect is found to be selective, affecting only dividing
cell lines and sparing the quiescent ones. The electric field arrests
cell proliferation as well as destruction of cells while undergoing
division. Just before a dividing cell splits in two, it briefly forms
an hourglass shape before the two daughter cells pinch off, and this
shape is particularly vulnerable to electricity. The current gets
concentrated at the cell’s narrow waist, and at the very moment of
division, the cell membrane is destroyed, and the cells disintegrate.
The mechanism of action of the fields, researchers say, depends on
disruption of the microtubules of the mitotic spindle and the electric
forces resulting from focusing of the field in the dividing cells. The
spindle is composed of cell components known as microtubules. The
microtubules contain components that have high electric dipole moment,
in which there is a large separation of opposite electric charges.
Therefore, parts of the mitotic spindle are greatly influenced and
apparently get disrupted by an electric field.

The cancer fighting abilities of this technique are being evaluated on
human patients with recurrent glioblastoma multiforme (GBM); a fast
growing, and difficult to treat form of brain cancer. This new
technique exploits the difference between normal cells and cancer
cells; it acts only on physically splitting cancer cells. The
researchers are optimistic as they observed slower than usual
progress in the development of brain tumour; in some cases even cell
regression was observed. It is believed that this technique will work
on all type of cancers and can possibly be applied to many different
disease types. When the technique is applied in association with
chemotherapy, its effect has been found more promising; the electric
fields appear to make the cancer cells far more susceptible to
chemotherapy without any additional increase in side effects and
toxicity.

The writer is a biotechnologist and ED, Birla Institute of Scientific
Research, Jaipur


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Re: CSwattage

2010-01-13 Thread Ode Coyote




  The Silvergen has a transformer and rectifier circuit built in like a 
wall wart in the box, vs on the wall.
 The internal circuitry runs on low voltage DC current..probably around 24 
volts DC.
 If you pull the box apart and check the power supply output with a volt 
meter, install a bypass tap, then you can run it off batteries etc. 
[Careful there, 120 volts is a yelping body wiggler.]


The amount of current it will draw varies with the conductivity of the 
water, but will only draw [probably] 1 milliamp max through the water, 
plus whatever it takes to run the circuitryincluding the transformer 
and rectifier etc when hooked up to AC power.
I believe it uses a less energy efficient electromechanical relay vs solid 
state switching, but that's not a huge problem.


There is no set answer to how much power it uses over how much time it 
takes, when water is such a HUGE variable...but it will use a set *maximum* 
over however long it takes.

 Water variation makes timers completely useless.

2 watts [max] is a valid answer.
If you bypass the wart, it will be less.

Or you can get a generator that uses a wall wart...and substitute 
batteries with no modifications needed.


Ode




At 08:33 AM 1/12/2010 -0800, you wrote:
Thanks folks for your response.  I have been pursuing this with silver gen 
too.


I asked a rather vague question about power and they wrote me saying this 
in response


Thanks for your inquiry.  The SG6 Auto works on 120 VAC and uses 2 watts 
of power.




I wrote back asking this.
Hi, thanks andI have more questions.;-)

Simple stuff that I can't quite fathom out from the site and I'm on the 
edge of buying the silver gen v all others, but can't without this basic 
information.


How much colloidal silver can the silvergen produce automatically and how 
much time that takes?


Is the 2 watts the amount of electrical energy the silver gen consumes
to produce this 'automatic amount'.

i.e. if the silver gen can be set up and left to produce - what's the max 
amount it can produce before it has to be set up again.  is it a quart,a 
gallon or what?


how long does it take to produce that maximum amount?

Our Rv has a DC system.  Can I plug the silver gen into that and do I need 
a converter if we're using that system?


If we don't need a converter, would I be able to use the system on a 
regular energy grid without a converter?  Not sure how all this works as 
you can see so am repeating myself to hopefully make my info needs clear.


I appreciate your patience.  I am downsizing considerably to living in an 
Rv, with perhaps a 100 watt solar panel as our source of energy, wired 
into the RV DC systems so that we can use laptop, silver generator etc.






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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:15:18 AM
Subject: Re: CSwattage

A silver generator that makes about 8 ounces an hour will consume about 
0.1 watt.


Marshall

Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote:
 Does anyone know how many watts a silver gen or similar might use.  We 
are moving off grid with few funds and want to stay as healthy as 
possible.. Using MMS and Silver as our main wellness facilities.  We 
getting a solar panel of 100 watts to run laptop and a couple of modems 
and one light or so... would like to be able to run a colloidal 
generator,and wondering if anyone has any idea..?  Before I go searching 
the internet...
  thanks for all the amazing helpful and knowledgeable energy on here.. 
with love

 sunny

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CSCS and sense of smell- losing it

2010-01-13 Thread Beth Harrison

Several of my family have been battling bronchitis for the last week or so. 
My husband put some CS in a teaspoon, and inhaled it.
He did this maybe 4 times over the last few days, and now says he cannot 
smell anything--  even the chlorine type smell of MMS,
or fragrance oils straight from the bottle.  (I am a soapmaker, so have lots 
of that around.)


He had recently read that the use of ZICAM, a zinc-based OTC product that 
you used by swabbing in the nasal passages, caused

loss of sense of smell.

Will sniffing CS into the nasal passages do the same thing?

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Re: CSmoon on fingernails?


At 01:04 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
I wish I knew, if I did, I wouldn't still have them.  My wife took 2 
months of chelation and hers seemed to have lightened, but did not 
go away in that time.


Same here. I still have them, though they are lighter than they used 
to be. I don't drink CS on a regular basis anymore, nor do I often 
drink a lot at a time (I drank between a pint and a quart  daily for 
over two years, and while I think that did what I wanted it to, I did 
get blue moons from it, but I have NO other blue or grey anywhere 
else but in the moons of the nails). I do take selenium, vit E and 
zinc, but notice no improvement from them as regards the moons.
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Re: CSAluminum in your diet


At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel.  It 
causes prostate to swell..
Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer 
and I will pass this tidbit on.
sol 



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Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

2010-01-13 Thread Donna

Yes I would love to buy alot of things but simply can't afford it on a 
fixed income. Shame it's so expensive to try and stay healthy!

Donna ACS

John I admire your attention to health.  And I'm wondering two thing.. 
how much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont 
have those kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it 
be by growing a forest garden?
 
I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and 
start a regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one 
has to also have a lot of 'money-energy'.  No griping here, I chose a 
life of simplicity to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount.
 
Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for 
example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available 
locally? That would be a challenge...
 
and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing..

with love
sunny
 


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*Subject:* Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all 
that lol!  dee


On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote:

 Hi, Simeon:

 I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, 
Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no 
buffer.  i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 
mg  of Vit C with each of those two meals.
 Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their 
life, health history, family health history - it's not the one 
program for everyone.  I take a lot of supplements for health 
support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 
mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and 
Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver 
Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, 
zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, 
whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at 
retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while), minerals, 
etc.,  I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and natural grass 
fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics.  Pure Spring water is 
another vitamin...
 I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to 
teach this morning. 
 Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the 
color it was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator 
which I attribute this change to.  Yes - it's full head of blond hair 
- no balding... Thank you God...


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RE: CScapillaries in eyes breaking

While this is diabetes related it might also help your friends problem.

-  Steve N

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/027920_pycnogenol_diabetes.html

 

Dr. Robert Steigerwalt, one of the lead researchers of the study,
confirmed that not only does pine bark extract halt the progression of
diabetic retinopathy, it can cause it to regress by sealing the leaky
blood vessels in the eye that lead to the disease. Such results were
witnessed in as little as two months. He also noted that diabetics in
the early stages of the disease can prevent such complications from ever
occurring by supplementing with pine bark extract.

 

 

 

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dianne_fra...@hotmail.com wrote:

Dear Group,
 
One of our good friends is having problems with her capillaries in her
eyes breaking causing the eye to turn red in that area.  She is a slim,
fit mid 50's with a good diet and doesn't have high blood pressure.  She
does have some thyroid problems but to my knowledge that is her only
health issue.  She is going in for blood testing but is really worried
about this so I thought I would broach the group and ask if anyone had
any answers.  I don't remember reading about this anywhere.
 
Dianne

CSstorage question

2010-01-13 Thread Teresa Jessee

I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady there 
told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have read here that 
it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just long 
enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet?  Should I throw 
away the half gallon I have stored in plastic for the last month?
TIA,
Teresa

RE: CSstorage question

It can be stored in plastic bottles. I use soft drink bottles.

-  Steve N

From: Teresa Jessee [mailto:tjes...@dishmail.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:46 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSstorage question

I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady
there told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have
read here that it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store
in plastic just long enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my
horse's feet?  Should I throw away the half gallon I have stored in
plastic for the last month?

TIA,

Teresa

RE: CScapillaries in eyes breaking



While this is diabetes related it might also help your friends problem.
- Steve N

http://www.naturalnews.com/027920_pycnogenol_diabetes.html

Dr. Robert Steigerwalt, one of the lead researchers of the study, confirmed 
that not only does pine bark extract halt the progression of diabetic 
retinopathy, it can cause it to regress by sealing the leaky blood vessels in 
the eye that lead to the disease. Such results were witnessed in as little as 
two months. He also noted that diabetics in the early stages of the disease can 
prevent such complications from ever occurring by supplementing with pine bark 
extract.



On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com 
wrote:
Dear Group,
 
One of our good friends is having problems with her capillaries in her eyes 
breaking causing the eye to turn red in that area.  She is a slim, fit mid 50's 
with a good diet and doesn't have high blood pressure.  She does have some 
thyroid problems but to my knowledge that is her only health issue.  She is 
going in for blood testing but is really worried about this so I thought I 
would broach the group and ask if anyone had any answers.  I don't remember 
reading about this anywhere.
 
Dianne


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Re: CSWhere to buy CMO

Beyond a Century seems to be really reasonable Bernadette.  How do you take the 
powdered CMO as it looks as if it has to be in oil not water.  Thanks. dee

On 13 Jan 2010, at 15:02, Bernadette wrote:

 Steve: 
  
 In response to your inquiry - I have been taking (under Mr. Bradley's 
 guidance) EIS, CMO, Del Immune V, MSM, Encapsulated Vit. C, and ConcenTrace 
 minerals, and the results are extraordinary, for me. 
  
 I had been sick for a period of many years, getting every cold, flu and virus 
 and bacterial infection passed on to me by grandchildren, etc.  As a matter 
 of a time line I was sick constantly in 2007, 2008.  Since beginning the 
 above daily intake of supplements, I am healthy.  I have not had a cold, the 
 flu or any infections. 
  
 When I begin to feel something coming on, and you can feel this, I double up 
 on my Del Immune V.  This alone has been a God send. I don't think I would be 
 this healthy if it were not for this immune system support.  I purchase this 
 from Simply the Best.
  
 Since I started CMO my hands and joints are improved 110%.  Before the 
 shooting pain was constant.  Today I can use the hands, almost pain free.  Of 
 course, I get twinges of an uncomfortable feeling, but nothing like before.  
 If I was a good girl and took it every day like I am supposed to do, I know 
 the pain would be nonexistent.  I purchase this from Beyond A Century.

Re: CSCS and sense of smell- losing it

Not that I have ever found, although I can't talk for everyone of course, but 
we always do this with only good results.  dee

On 13 Jan 2010, at 15:45, Beth Harrison wrote:

 Several of my family have been battling bronchitis for the last week or so. 
 My husband put some CS in a teaspoon, and inhaled it.
 He did this maybe 4 times over the last few days, and now says he cannot 
 smell anything--  even the chlorine type smell of MMS,
 or fragrance oils straight from the bottle.  (I am a soapmaker, so have lots 
 of that around.)
 
 He had recently read that the use of ZICAM, a zinc-based OTC product that you 
 used by swabbing in the nasal passages, caused
 loss of sense of smell.
 
 Will sniffing CS into the nasal passages do the same thing?
 
 Beth H 
 


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Re: CSstorage question

you can quite safely store it in plastic, I do with no problems at all.  dee


On 13 Jan 2010, at 18:46, Teresa Jessee wrote:

 I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady there 
 told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have read here 
 that it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just 
 long enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet?  Should 
 I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic for the last month?
 TIA,
 Teresa

CSComment of Possible Interest

2010-01-13 Thread Brooks Bradley

An associate of mine called my attention to an item that piqued my interestand I thought I might do likewisefor some among the List Members.
He informed me that Micro-encapsulation utilizing liposome-generation techniques, is being successfully employed by the cosmetics industry. Most especially for enhancing the appearance (and apparently the health) of the hair.
He relates success in delaying/correcting early-onset color loss among a rather wide age spectrum. He advises that this recent development is not...as yet...very widespread.
The intriguing element, to me, was that this system seems to employ liposomal technology (although they do not inform the customer of their "technology").
There is one company, Kronos, by name.which provides a complete spectrum of products...although effectivedo not appear to be cheap.
My feeling in the matter is that interested (especially the vain ones) list members might consider making their own products utilizing their ultrasonic cleaners. The methodology would be the very same procedure used to generate their liposomal vitamin C. Some, minor, experimentation might be required to "fine tune" their end product.but quite useful results should be easily achieved.
One word of caution might be in orderthe use of blenders (even the high-speed/power units like Vitamix) might not yield particle mass SMALL enough to pass through the hair follicles. Ultrasonically produced material should do quite wellas would high-pressure X diffraction grate formed liposomes. We have not submitted the "blender-generated" materials to the lab for EXTENSIVE size-measurement, but we didearly on---determine that although highly-confined X high velocity liposomal vitamin C produced via Vitamix-quality blenders yielded excellent homogenization and stability. The actual size of the liposomes formed, appears to a large extentreliant upon the shearing "force" of impact or THE ultrasonic energy effect.
These comments are made for general interest only. However, some
enterprising list member involved ion the cosmetics industrymight have more than just a passing interest.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

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RE: CSComment of Possible Interest

Thanks Brooks. But I do have one question. Would the larger size of the 
liposomes created by a blender reduce absorption through the intestinal wall?
Thanks again,
   Steve

From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:brooks76...@lycos.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSComment of Possible Interest

An associate of mine called my attention to an item that piqued my 
interestand I thought I might do likewisefor some among the List 
Members. 
He informed me that Micro-encapsulation utilizing liposome-generation 
techniques, is being successfully employed by the cosmetics industry. Most 
especially for enhancing the appearance (and apparently the health) of the 
hair. 
He relates success in delaying/correcting early-onset color loss among a rather 
wide age spectrum. He advises that this recent development is not...as 
yet...very widespread. 
The intriguing element, to me, was that this system seems to employ liposomal 
technology (although they do not inform the customer of their technology). 
There is one company, Kronos, by name.which provides a complete spectrum of 
products...although effectivedo not appear to be cheap. 
My feeling in the matter is that interested (especially the vain ones) list 
members might consider making their own products utilizing their ultrasonic 
cleaners. The methodology would be the very same procedure used to generate 
their liposomal vitamin C. Some, minor, experimentation might be required to 
fine tune their end product.but quite useful results should be easily 
achieved. 
One word of caution might be in orderthe use of blenders (even the 
high-speed/power units like Vitamix) might not yield particle mass SMALL enough 
to pass through the hair follicles. Ultrasonically produced material should do 
quite wellas would high-pressure X diffraction grate formed liposomes. We 
have not submitted the blender-generated materials to the lab for EXTENSIVE 
size-measurement, but we didearly on---determine that although 
highly-confined X high velocity liposomal vitamin C produced via 
Vitamix-quality blenders yielded excellent homogenization and stability. The 
actual size of the liposomes formed, appears to a large extentreliant upon 
the shearing force of impact or THE ultrasonic energy effect. 
These comments are made for general interest only. However, some 
enterprising list member involved ion the cosmetics industrymight have more 
than just a passing interest. 
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CSEurope banning CS?

2010-01-13 Thread louise46

 Anyone in Europe? Seems CS is banned from being sold in health food stores
as food supplement.

Any one know more?

Louise


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RE: CSComment of Possible Interest

2010-01-13 Thread Brooks Bradley

Dear Steve,
   I do not think there would be any, significant, reduction in the acceptable speed of absorption.of the blender-generated liposomes
as against the smaller ones from the U>S> cleaner devices (in the digestive system)..especially in view of the fact that the alimentary tract can absorb a very wide variety of particle sizes.  It is true, however, that smaller size particles will pass in greater volume---for a given time, than
will larger particles.  Unless encountering "much" larger particles than almost any of the liposomal products generated (including those produced naturally
during normal digestive processes) through use of mechanical and/or chemical means.the experimenter should have little reason toward concerns for
either speed or completeness of absorption across the alimentary system epithelial tissues.  However, do understand, there is an enormous difference in size accommodation ability between that of the alimentary system...and that of a human hair follicle.
 Best Regards, Brooks.





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 Subject : RE: CSComment of Possible Interest
 Date : Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:52:45 -0600
 From : Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
 To : silver-list@eskimo.com

Thanks Brooks. But I do have one question. Would the larger size of the liposomes created by a blender reduce absorption through the intestinal wall?
Thanks again,
   Steve

From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:brooks76...@lycos.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Comment of Possible Interest

An associate of mine called my attention to an item that piqued my interestand I thought I might do likewisefor some among the List Members. 
He informed me that Micro-encapsulation utilizing liposome-generation techniques, is being successfully employed by the cosmetics industry. Most especially for enhancing the appearance (and apparently the health) of the hair. 
He relates success in delaying/correcting early-onset color loss among a rather wide age spectrum. He advises that this recent development is not...as yet...very widespread. 
The intriguing element, to me, was that this system seems to employ liposomal technology (although they do not inform the customer of their "technology"). 
There is one company, Kronos, by name.which provides a complete spectrum of products...although effectivedo not appear to be cheap. 
My feeling in the matter is that interested (especially the vain ones) list members might consider making their own products utilizing their ultrasonic cleaners. The methodology would be the very same procedure used to generate their liposomal vitamin C. Some, minor, experimentation might be required to "fine tune" their end product.but quite useful results should be easily achieved. 
One word of caution might be in orderthe use of blenders (even the high-speed/power units like Vitamix) might not yield particle mass SMALL enough to pass through the hair follicles. Ultrasonically produced material should do quite wellas would high-pressure X diffraction grate formed liposomes. We have not submitted the "blender-generated" materials to the lab for EXTENSIVE size-measurement, but we didearly on---determine that although highly-confined X high velocity liposomal vitamin C produced via Vitamix-quality blenders yielded excellent homogenization and stability. The actual size of the liposomes formed, appears to a large extentreliant upon the shearing "force" of impact or THE ultrasonic energy effect. 
These comments are made for general interest only. However, some 
enterprising list member involved ion the cosmetics industrymight have more than just a passing interest. 
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Re: CSUnidentified subject!

2010-01-13 Thread Colin Quinney

Thank you Brooks,

The Lung Flute :

http://www.popsci.com/bown/2009/innovator/pied-piper-mucus

Best,
Colin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brooks Bradley 
  To: Silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:58 PM
  Subject: CSUnidentified subject!


  Circa about 12 months ago, I posted some information relative to research 
(some of it peculiar to our staff)relating to the value of using a simple 
humming technique for aiding/relieving some cases of persistent sinus 
blockage involving mucous accumulations. Several months later we evaluated 
several deep-breathing protocols for aiding in poor oxygen intake (the most 
effective one being the technique Wayne Fugitt posted at his website). There is 
yet, another protocol we have recently stumbled upon, which promises 
  quite effective aid in addressing many of the more challenging/chronic 
pulmonary insults. The protocol involves a very simple mechanical device 
invented by an acoustics engineer named Sandy Hawkins. The device is nothing 
more than type of vibrating reed fabricated from a plastic tube and a reed-thin 
strip which vibrates the chestdislodging mucous accumulations/impacted 
debris located in the lungs. Rapid,favorable, results 
  have been reported by a research group with whom we exchange information on a 
regular basis. 
  For those interested in reviewing an article on Mr. Hawkins efforts---and 
results---one may 
  obtain a copy of the December 2009 issue of Popular Science Magazine. 
  Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. --

Re: CSEurope banning CS?

2010-01-13 Thread Lewis Taylor

True. It has been banned in the way you mention since 1 January, 2010. But
the health food stores here in Sweden sell it as water disinfectant instead
of as a supplement. That means that the VAT rate is higher. It also means
that hey can advertise that it kills microbes. :) Personally, I make my own
with one of Ode's devices and have a spare one in case something happens to
that one.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:51 PM, louis...@gozoom.ca wrote:

  Anyone in Europe? Seems CS is banned from being sold in health food stores
 as food supplement.

 Any one know more?

 Louise


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Re: CSsniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

2010-01-13 Thread Day Sutton

I sniff it all the time.  Every time I'm in a crowd somewhere.  I have a
plastic squeeze sniffer I got at the drug store.  It had a spray for colds.
I cleaned it out and put my CS/EIS in it.   Carry it all the time .  Have no
trouble identifying smells..

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Beth Harrison
bethharri...@bellsouth.netwrote:

  Hii all,
 Several of my family have been battling bronchitis for the last week or so.

 My husband put some CS in a teaspoon, and inhaled it.
 He did this maybe 4 times over the last few days, and now says he cannot
 smell anything--  even the chlorine type smell of MMS,
 or fragrance oils straight from the bottle.  (I am a soapmaker, so have
 lots
 of that around.)

 He had recently read that the use of ZICAM, a zinc-based OTC product that
 you used by swabbing in the nasal passages, caused
 loss of sense of smell.

 Will sniffing CS into the nasal passages do the same thing?

 Beth H




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Re: CSsniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

2010-01-13 Thread slickpicker

I spray it almost daily and have had no problem with smells.  I put mine in an 
empty Afrin bottle.

TW

 Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
I sniff it all the time.  Every time I'm in a crowd somewhere.  I have a
plastic squeeze sniffer I got at the drug store.  It had a spray for colds.
I cleaned it out and put my CS/EIS in it.   Carry it all the time .  Have no
trouble identifying smells..

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Beth Harrison
bethharri...@bellsouth.netwrote:

  Hii all,
 Several of my family have been battling bronchitis for the last week or so.

 My husband put some CS in a teaspoon, and inhaled it.
 He did this maybe 4 times over the last few days, and now says he cannot
 smell anything--  even the chlorine type smell of MMS,
 or fragrance oils straight from the bottle.  (I am a soapmaker, so have
 lots
 of that around.)

 He had recently read that the use of ZICAM, a zinc-based OTC product that
 you used by swabbing in the nasal passages, caused
 loss of sense of smell.

 Will sniffing CS into the nasal passages do the same thing?

 Beth H




-- 
Day Sutton
day.sut...@gmail.com


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Re: CSsniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

i do the same as TW and have for years and my sense of smell has never been
better.

John

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:43 PM, slickpic...@cox.net wrote:

 I spray it almost daily and have had no problem with smells.  I put mine in
 an empty Afrin bottle.

 TW

  Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote:

 =
 I sniff it all the time.  Every time I'm in a crowd somewhere.  I have a
 plastic squeeze sniffer I got at the drug store.  It had a spray for colds.
 I cleaned it out and put my CS/EIS in it.   Carry it all the time .  Have
 no
 trouble identifying smells..

 On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Beth Harrison
 bethharri...@bellsouth.netwrote:

   Hii all,
  Several of my family have been battling bronchitis for the last week or
 so.
 
  My husband put some CS in a teaspoon, and inhaled it.
  He did this maybe 4 times over the last few days, and now says he cannot
  smell anything--  even the chlorine type smell of MMS,
  or fragrance oils straight from the bottle.  (I am a soapmaker, so have
  lots
  of that around.)
 
  He had recently read that the use of ZICAM, a zinc-based OTC product that
  you used by swabbing in the nasal passages, caused
  loss of sense of smell.
 
  Will sniffing CS into the nasal passages do the same thing?
 
  Beth H
 



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Re: CSColloidal Silver Has Been Banned Throughout Europe!

2010-01-13 Thread Bernard Odeval

Gaasp!
a Codex Alimentarius weapon attack!

2010/1/13 Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com

 Wow, this is kinda scary!


 http://colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/2010/01/colloidal-silver-has-been-banned.html


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Re: CSstorage question

Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If used for
your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as
possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet away
fron light and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.

John

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee tjes...@dishmail.net wrote:

  I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady
 there told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have read
 here that it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store in
 plastic just long enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's
 feet?  Should I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic for the
 last month?
 TIA,
 Teresa

Re: CSstorage question

There's also a problem with bephenols (bph's) if stored in plastic.  gee, I
just hate to disagree with you knowlwdgeable folks...  Ha...  ha...  ha...

John

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:13 PM, John E. Stevens 
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:

 Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If used for
 your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as
 possible.  Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet away
 fron light and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.

 John


 On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee tjes...@dishmail.netwrote:

  I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady
 there told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have read
 here that it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store in
 plastic just long enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's
 feet?  Should I throw away the half gallon I have stored in plastic for the
 last month?
 TIA,
 Teresa

Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

Simeon:  I'll get back to you.

Sunny:

There are companies out there in the market place that sell good vitamins,
minerals and organic whole food source supplements at a decent price.  When
possible I store up when there are 2 for the price of 1 sales.  There are
certain supplements I've been taking for 35 or more years and will never
give up.  As you say, wellness is paramount and the prevention of disease is
also paramount.
I also grow an organic garden every summer and can and freeze for winter
usage.  Grow as much fruit as you can, too.  It's difficult to grow pine
tree bark, though (ha...) and ubiquinol...
There are some supplements you cannot grow because of the source (i.e.,
vitamin E with mixed tocoph and toc., etc.,)  and some you cannot grow
depending somewhat on your weather and growing season.
One reason I have my own CSW makers is because the cost at health food
stores is absurd - and usually we can make a better (and stronger) CSW than
they sell at health food stores for extremely less money.
Once a month I sit and fill cleaned plastic 35 mm film containers with all
of my vitamin and mineral supplements for the month so if I leave to
substitute teach or work somewhere, I can tote them with me easily.  I
always bring my own lunch, my own water and my own organic coffee -because I
don't trust restaurants and I will not drink chlorinated water. I also carry
CSW in an amber bottle with me - and CSW in a nose spray.  I use a portable
ozonator to ozonate my drinking water (sometimes), but I always use a
vitalizer to add a lot more oxygen to the water.  i know the vitalizer works
well, because when the Red Cross takes a pint of my blood every 56 days they
tell me my blood is highly oxygenated.  Why is that important?  Because
disease, cancer, viruses and other harmful bacteria cannot live in a highly
oxygenated environment.
If we don't have our heath - we have nothing...

John

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes I would love to buy alot of things but simply can't afford it on a
 fixed income. Shame it's so expensive to try and stay healthy!
 Donna ACS

  John I admire your attention to health.  And I'm wondering two thing.. how
 much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those
 kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a
 forest garden?
  I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a
 regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also
 have a lot of 'money-energy'.  No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity
 to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount.
  Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for
 example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally?
 That would be a challenge...
  and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing..
 with love
 sunny

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 *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
 *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM
 *Subject:* Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

 Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that
 lol!  dee

 On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote:

  Hi, Simeon:
 
  I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive
 Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer.  i eat
 about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg  of Vit C with each
 of those two meals.
  Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their
 life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for
 everyone.  I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E
 (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg
 resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid -
 folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily,
 prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium,
 magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite,
 vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium
 (once in a while),

Re: CSAluminum in your diet

2010-01-13 Thread Steve G

How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'   My problem is that all kinds 
of people make all kinds of claims.  If I believe someone just because they are 
fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read 
things that conflict with each other.

My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can 
dispute it without any substantiation for my position.   If someone presents 
rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or 
study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it.

There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the 
notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.'   I don't believe them.  They have 
yet to provide meaningful support for their position.   

When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't 
accept it at face value.  I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made 
or from whom it was acquired.   I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can 
get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this 
happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do.

And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't 
worth that much to me.   They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions 
just as easily as I can.

Steve G.


--- On Wed, 1/13/10, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:

From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM

At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
 If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel.  It causes 
 prostate to swell..
Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will 
pass this tidbit on.
sol 

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Re: CSsniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

I've been misting and inhaling CS for almost 8 years with no 
problems. I also use it as nose drops.


I did lose my sense of smell entirely due to use of NasalCrom. It 
finally came back after nearly a year, and maybe inhaling CS helped 
regenerate it.
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Re: CSsniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

2010-01-13 Thread Beth Harrison

This is good to know--- maybe it's just because of the illness, rather than the 
cure!
Thanks for the feedback and encouragement.
Beth

  - Original Message - 


  i do the same as TW and have for years and my sense of smell has never been 
better.

  John


  On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:43 PM, slickpic...@cox.net wrote:

I spray it almost daily and have had no problem with smells.  I put mine in 
an empty Afrin bottle.

TW

Re: CSstorage question

2010-01-13 Thread Sunwaterclear - Sunny

My goodness Ive been lovingly spraying my dark blue plastic contained silver 
[the one I added oil of oregano to] onto my gums for a few months, thinking it 
would help my teeth.. hmmm better get making my own pronto..


 
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From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 6:13:24 PM
Subject: Re: CSstorage question

Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle..  If used for your 
horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as possible.  Amber 
bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet away fron light and the 
sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.

John


On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee tjes...@dishmail.net wrote:

I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady there 
told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have read here that 
it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just long 
enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet?  Should I throw 
away the half gallon I have stored in plastic for the last month?
TIA,
Teresa

Re: CSComment of Possible Interest

2010-01-13 Thread Jonathan B. Britten


Brooks San,

You've previously spoken highly of Dr. Higa's Essential Microorganisms 
(EM),  which I introduced in this list quite some time ago.   I've 
experimented with it for home composting/agriculture, and for internal 
use (not approved for humans but widely practiced by experimenters.)
I learned not long ago from the local distributor that she reversed 
graying hair by regular application of diluted EM1 to hear scalp after 
showering.  I think it's a ten percent solution but I'll have to double 
check.


If these microorganisms do in fact have this effect, it would raise 
extremely interesting questions about the mechanism.I'll keep an 
open ear.


There are no miracles with any substance, alas;  some years ago Dr. 
Higa was hoping to re-grow hair on his own head, at that time with no 
success.







On Thursday, Jan 14, 2010, at 04:45 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:

He informed me that Micro-encapsulation utilizing liposome-generation 
techniques, is being successfully employed by the cosmetics industry. 
Most especially for enhancing the appearance (and apparently the 
health) of the hair.
He relates success in delaying/correcting early-onset color loss among 
a rather wide age spectrum. He advises that this recent development is 
not...as yet...very widespread.



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Re: CSAluminum in your diet

Just a few minor points if I may. An opinion from a different perspective. 

Dispute is a pugilistic term signifying an argument. I don't know if it is 
intended that way. I think that an unsubstantiated claim is an opinion and an 
unsubstantiated counter claim is also an opinion. And yes you should feel free 
to express your opinion but it need not become a dispute. 

Relative to silver poisoning, there is a medically documented instance of 
silver poisoning. As I recall, the person accidentally drank a large amount of 
silver nitrate and died quite rapidly. Silver can also, in some instances cause 
a selenium deficiency that over the long term can lead to liver failure and 
death. It probably has never happened because the person would turn blue first 
and get medical help in time. 

If someone says they drank silver and got blue moons I believe that almost 100 
percent of the time they are correct. What part of their statement do think 
they got incorrect? That they did not drink silver or that they do not have 
blue moons? 

It is fine if you choose to place no value on anecdotal information but your 
choice to not believe it does not make it not true. 

Regards,
Steve N



From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wed Jan 13 18:04:28 2010
Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet 


How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'   My problem is that all kinds 
of people make all kinds of claims.  If I believe someone just because they are 
fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read 
things that conflict with each other.

My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can 
dispute it without any substantiation for my position.   If someone presents 
rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or 
study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it.

There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the 
notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.'   I don't believe them.  They have 
yet to provide meaningful support for their position.   

When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't 
accept it at face value.  I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made 
or from whom it was acquired.   I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can 
get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this 
happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do.

And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't 
worth that much to me.   They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions 
just as easily as I can.

Steve G.


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From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM


At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
 If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel.  It 
causes prostate to swell..
Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and 
I will pass this tidbit on.
sol 

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Re: CSsniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

2010-01-13 Thread M. G. Devour

Kathy,

You wrote: 
   This sounded important enough to pass along... [etc...]

Is this your first-hand experience or is it a cut-and-paste of 
something that you're passing on to us? If so, what is the site 
address, please?

Thanks,

Mike D.

   This is crazyIt is true too! There is a link at the bottom of
   this to the FDA website with the information.
I want my friends and loved ones to know what has happened to me
in hopes that it will never happen to you or anybody you care
about.
 
   About 10 days ago, I felt a cold coming on; so before I went to
   bed I used Zicam Cold Remedy Nasal Gel. It's supposed to help you
   get over your cold faster. Immediately after I sprayed it into
   each nostril I felt the most horrific burning sensation
   imaginable. It literally felt like I had sprayed pepper spray 
   directly into my brain. It burned all the way to the top of my
   skull. My nasal passages swelled, my eyes watered - the burning
   lasted all night long into the next day. After about a day, I
   realized I couldn't taste anything and I thought, Wow - I must
   really have a bad cold. Then I noticed that I couldn't smell
   coffee brewing, couldn't smell my perfume when I put it on,
   couldn't smell the popcorn I burned, couldn't smell my favorite
   candle. I panicked and starting smelling everything that I could
   find that had really strong odors - ammonia,  finger nail polish
   remover, bleach, etc. I couldn't smell ANYTHING! I started tasting
   everything that had really strong tastes such as HOT salsa, raw
   red onions, Doritos, coffee. I couldn't taste ANYTHING! I told my
   mother about this and she said, Oh, I've heard Zicam can affect
   your Olfactory nerve. I went online, typed in Zicam side
   effects and bam - up popped all sorts of web sites with people
   reporting the same thing I experienced. It seems that this past
   June, Zicam pulled the swabs for adults and  children off the
   shelf but not the nasal gel. I went to my ENT and he said the
   Zicam had basically FRIED my Olfactory nerve and the results are
   most likely permanent. He put me on a strong dose of a steroid
   called Prednisone in hopes of recovering ANY bit of the nerve
   damage but he told me to take this and pray. He said he had read
   about the side effects of Zicam and couldn't believe it is still
   on the shelf. It isn't FDA approved. I am taking the Prednisone
   and praying but nothing is happening. I LITERALLY CANNOT SMELL OR
   TASTE ANYTHING! I can tell if foods are hot  or cold, I can tell
   the consistency and I can faintly detect if it is salty but that
   is it. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE pass this on to everyone you care
   about. I don't want this to happen to ANYONE else!! And if
   you have Zicam in your medicine cabinet--THROW IT AWAY! Susan
   Please share with everyone you can. Check it out on the link
   below. 
 
  http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm16
  7065.htm 
 

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSAluminum in your diet

2010-01-13 Thread Day Sutton

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote:

How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'

You are right not to believe anything you hear or read without doing your
own research. I have done some of it for you. The rest is up to you.
Search was for Prostate and Nickel PROSTATE PROBLEMS

The prostate collects toxins, especially *nickel*, and any supply of nickel
will attract bacteria. Bacteria cannot live in the prostate without nickel
being present.

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303133500

*Health effects of nickel*

Nickel is a compound that occurs in the environment only at very low levels.
Humans use nickel for many different applications. The most common
application of nickel is the use as an ingredient of steal and other metal
products. It can be found in common metal products such as jewellery.

http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/ni.htm

*Specific Culprits Cause the Prostate to Swell *

The prostate is like a garbage site and has the property of collecting
trash, pollutants and toxins. For some reason the metal nickel is always
drawn to the prostate. Any nickel absorbed into the body goes directly to
the prostate. Examining the tissue of an enlarged prostate finds nickel
prevalent.

http://thebreathoflife.net/catalog/mi_chelator.php
Search was for Stainless Steel and Nickel How healthy are your cooking pots?

Stainless-steel is quite stable, but you need to remember that
stainless-steel cookware contains alloys of nickel, chromium, molybdenum,
carbon and various other metals. These metals can leech into your food,
especially as your cookware gets older.

http://www.independentweekly.com.au/blogs/dr-brett/how-healthy-are-your-cooking-pots/1725282.aspx

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RE: CSTo believe or not to believe?

2010-01-13 Thread Neville Munn


[When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't 
accept it at face value...]

-I attempted to find out more about this blue moon business many 'moons' ago 
and gave it away as a bad joke cos of all the stuff being 
used/abused/ingested/applied/popped/consumed/supplemented/snorted etc etc in 
conjuction with CS {I remain unconvinced EIS is the sole cause, let alone any 
other outside influences which may be a contributing factor}.  I gave up as 
quick as I started cos there is no way I could isolate EIS as being the root 
cause, even though those who contributed may have been well meaning in their 
input.

 

There are a multitude of machines of varying configurations used in producing 
EIS around the world and ALL will produce something slightly different, 
ancillary equipment incorporated in that production process, as well as 
inumerable variables, will contribute to something different also {my opinion 
and I'm sticking to it}.  An individuals methods and procedures for producing 
EIS, plus numerous other factors known only to that individual, *may?* 
contribute to some side effects but does not necessarily mean that said side 
effect/s should be generally accepted as a recognised outcome, or the 'norm' 
where EIS is concerned.  EIS is a little more complex than that in my opinion.

 

Not being a high academic achiever or published researcher I have no substance 
therefore I choose to remain one of those who won't run with the mob...Only 
dead fish go with the flow.

 

People will believe what they choose to believe and voice that belief, myself 
included.

 

N.


Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:04:28 -0800
From: chube...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com





How about, 'Any info that supports this claim?'   My problem is that all kinds 
of people make all kinds of claims.  If I believe someone just because they are 
fervent and are sincere I'll go around in circles because I hear and read 
things that conflict with each other.

My basic stance in life that if someone makes an unsubstantiated claim, I can 
dispute it without any substantiation for my position.   If someone presents 
rationale, information from a study, then I must consider their rationale or 
study to see if it appears to be solid before I can dispute it.

There are some very fervent and sincere people on the internet pushing the 
notion that you can get 'silver poisoning.'   I don't believe them.  They have 
yet to provide meaningful support for their position.   

When someone says they drank colloidal silver and got blue moons, I don't 
accept it at face value.  I need to know how their 'colloidal silver' was made 
or from whom it was acquired.   I am open to the idea that perhaps someone can 
get blue moons from colloidal silver, but I want to know exactly how this 
happened so I can figure out what is going on and what I should do.

And on a final note, the credentials of the person making such claims isn't 
worth that much to me.   They can be mistaken or have made poor assumptions 
just as easily as I can.

Steve G.


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From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Subject: Re: CSAluminum in your diet
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:49 AM


At 01:50 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
 If you are a man don't eat anything cooked in stainless steel.  It causes 
 prostate to swell..
Any info on why? My brother has been diagnosed with prostate cancer and I will 
pass this tidbit on.
sol 

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Re: CSAluminum in your diet


WOW! Thanks very much! I will email all this info to my brother.
in appreciation,
sol

At 07:24 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote:



Search was for Prostate and Nickel





PROSTATE PROBLEMS



The prostate collects toxins, especially nickel, and any supply of 
nickel will attract bacteria. Bacteria cannot live in the prostate 
without nickel being present.

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303133500http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303133500




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Re: CSGatorade and colloidal silver

2010-01-13 Thread Sam L.

Seems like a lime or lemon would provide for the citric acid when mix with
water and CS.

Just a guess

Sam L.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote:



  Now THERE'S a light bulb moment.
 Good going, Marshall !

 Ode



 At 11:33 AM 1/8/2010 -0500, you wrote:

 Brooks has reported some years ago that mixing Gatorade with colloidal
 silver increases the colloidal silver absorption tremendously. An analysis
 by myself had attributed this to the fact that the additional chloride ions
 created complexes of silver chloride that were more soluble than silver
 chloride. Ode attributed it to the fact that liquids matching the blood
 electrolyte content are more quickly absorbed into the blood stream.  Both
 of these theories are elaborated at
 http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Gator

 Doing some further analysis of the ingredients in gatorade I have
 discovered another mechanism, one which is likely the primary one for this
 increased absorption.   I just became aware that the citrate ion ( gateraid
 contains citric acid ) will replace the chloride ion in metallic salts.
  This means that when you mix CS with gaterade the silver ions do not
 combine with the chloride ions, but the citrate ions in the citric acid.
  Thus when you drink it, no low solubility silver chloride ions are formed,
 and they do not form in the stomach either.
 The silver citrate then is free to quickly move into the blood stream.

 Marshall


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Re: CSstorage question

2010-01-13 Thread James McCourt, Ph.D.

Cabelas has such bottles.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:15 PM
  Subject: Re: CSstorage question

  My goodness Ive been lovingly spraying my dark blue plastic contained silver 
[the one I added oil of oregano to] onto my gums for a few months, thinking it 
would help my teeth.. hmmm better get making my own pronto..

  A peek into our world.. 

  Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

  Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural 
wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

  Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
  Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
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  From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 6:13:24 PM
  Subject: Re: CSstorage question

  Plastic draws the silver to the sides of the plastic bottle.  If used for 
your horses (or humans) and don't store in glass, use as quickly as possible.  
Amber bottles, I feel are best, and stored in a dark cabinet away fron light 
and the sun and your CSW can last a long, long time.

  John

  On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Teresa Jessee tjes...@dishmail.net wrote:

I am new to silver making.  I bought a machine from Utopia.  The lady there 
told me I could store my silver in a plastic bottle.  But I have read here that 
it needs to be stored in glass.  Would it be OK to store in plastic just long 
enough to collect a half gallon to use to soak my horse's feet?  Should I throw 
away the half gallon I have stored in plastic for the last month?
TIA,
Teresa

Re: CSsniffing CS and loss of sense of smell

I never had any negative effect from nasal sprays of colloidal silver,
but using MMS for a long period of time corrupted both my sense of
tast and sense of smell.

I think I have regained most of it over time.

Dan

PS, if you're a soapmaker, maybe he should be glad that he can't smell
it anymore...

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Beth Harrison
bethharri...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Hii all,
 Several of my family have been battling bronchitis for the last week or so.
 My husband put some CS in a teaspoon, and inhaled it.
 He did this maybe 4 times over the last few days, and now says he cannot
 smell anything--  even the chlorine type smell of MMS,
 or fragrance oils straight from the bottle.  (I am a soapmaker, so have lots
 of that around.)

 He had recently read that the use of ZICAM, a zinc-based OTC product that
 you used by swabbing in the nasal passages, caused
 loss of sense of smell.

 Will sniffing CS into the nasal passages do the same thing?

 Beth H



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Re: CSAluminum in your diet

Progesterone Cream Can Help Prostate Cancer

Posted by: Dr. Mercola
January 02 2008 | 13,439 views



Dr. Mercola's Comment:

I still strongly endorse progesterone, however I think the cream
version has potential complications particularly by the way it
accumulates and contributes to disruptions in the adrenal hormones
such as DHEA, cortisol, and testosterone. I have learned that although
progesterone cream is an enormously useful tool, it needs to be used
very cautiously. So, if one is going to use the cream they absolutely
need to be monitored with a saliva test on an annual basis. The saliva
value should be below 300. I have seen numbers over 10,000 and it may
take up to two years for this level to normalize as the progesterone
is stored in the fat and comes out very slowly. One should not resume
progesterone (in any form) until the level drops below 300 again.

Highlights from my time with Dr. John Lee

Well I had the great privilege of dining with Dr. Lee on Friday and
lecturing with him on Saturday. I was expecting to learn some exciting
new information and I was not disappointed. There are two major
highlights to review. I am even more convinced now of the value of
natural progesterone for women and even for men as I will discuss
later.

The most exciting information though has to do with progesterone's
ability to PREVENT and REVERSE many cancers. The newer studies show
that estrogen, specifically estradiol, does not increase the risk for
breast cancer but it actually CAUSES breast cancer AND prostate
cancer. There is not any debate left about this issue. All major
researchers have found this The information on the prostate is new.

Let me attempt to explain the relationship for prostate cancer in more
detail. Men also make estrogen and estradiol, but in much lower
amounts than women. The male hormone, testosterone, is antagonist to
estradiol. Testosterone prevents estradiol from causing prostate
cancer by destroying the prostate cancer cells it stimulates.

Testosterone does NOT cause prostate cancer. If this were true 19 and
20 year old males would be developing prostate cancer as these are the
individuals with the highest levels. This is obviously not the case.
Males also produce progesterone, although about half as much as
females do. The progesterone prevents the body from converting
testosterone to di-hydro testosterone.

It does this by inhibiting the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. Progesterone
inhibits 5 alpha reductase far more effectively than Proscar and Saw
Palmetto which are the more standard agents employed in traditonal and
natural medicine.

As a male ages, his progesterone level decreases just like it does in
women. In women this decease occurs about the age of 35 and men about
ten years later. When progesterone levels decrease, the male's 5 alpha
reductase converts the testosterone to di-hydro testosterone which is
useless at removing the prostate cancer cells that estradiol
stimulates. Estradiol also stimulates the enlargement of the prostate.
This allows the prostate gland to swell and enlarge and in many cases
transform into prostate cancer.

The prostate is embryologically similar to the female uterus. Prostate
cancer is the NUMBER ONE cancer in men. Prostate enlargement is a
major cause of problems in elderly men. It appears we now have a
simple, safe inexpensive solution to prevent and treat this problem.

Dr. Lee's has a large number of anecdotal stories of complete
reversals of metastatic prostatic cancers. The clinical research has
just begun. Dr. Lee states that there are several studies that will be
published in the peer reviewed literature very shortly confirming this
observation in animal studies.

There is no need to wait for these studies as there is strong
biochemical evidence to support this recommendation. The January 28
JAMA had an article To die or not to die? most cells in the body die
through a more subtle, noninflammatory, energy-dependent form of cell
death called apoptosis.

Recent research into the molecular mechanisms of apoptosis has
revealed that apoptosis is a genetically programmed process that can
become deranged when the components of the cellular apoptotic
machinery are mutated or present in inappropriate quantities.
Dysregulation of apoptosis is associated with the cause of a wide
array of diseases: cancer, neurodegeneration, autoimmunity, heart
disease, and other disorders.

All cells, with the exception of brain and muscle cells, multiply
continuously. The genes which regulates this cell growth are p53 and
bcl2 . If the gene bcl2 dominates it will push cells to cancer. If
gene p53 dominates the opposite will occur and the cell growth is
controlled and the cancer do not occur.

The article clearly shows that traditional chemotherapy using poisons
to stop cell hyperplasia do not work as they kill normal cells easier
than cancer cells. The new idea promoted by the review is to find
agents that activate p53 and deactivate bc12 is the hope for curing

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