Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Tony Moody]

On 20 Feb 2015 at 15:10, Debra & David wrote about :
Subject : Re: Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

> 
> On 20/02/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:
> > According to Brooks, 3 to 5 PPM/mg/l is highly effective.
> >
> 
> That might work in a test tube perhaps, but there are no clinical trials
> that support that in real practice. Anyway I think theres just as much
> anecdotal evidence to suggest the stronger the better.
> 
> I have my doubts that a mouthful of 3ppm is going to do much for an 
> infection in an extremity...  for example an infection in a big toe.
> 
> David
> 

Hallo again David,

Yes, with all all respect, that is where you are wrong in your armchair 
conjecture. 
Indeed, practically, a mouthful of quite weak, fresh CS water will stop a 
serious problem like 
food poisoning in minutes, in my experience. That silver/nasties battle must 
happen in the 
gut, which is food for thought (pun intended).  
For an incipient cold I'll take a cupful during the day. That is three or four 
biggish mouthfuls, 
or lots of sips, slooshed in mouth and maybe gargled. I don't know what a sip 
is in metric ! a 
big mouthful is about 2 oz.  For sure that is going systemic for it to work so 
well. 

So tapwater CS may be wierd and kinky but it is effective.   

I'm interested to see what ppm your Faraday comes up with. 250 ml, 1mA, 2 
minutes, 
electrode area = 1 square inch.  ( 0.0006 sq meter)

Toes will probably take a bit more of a sustained effort to get the silver 
systemic and down 
there. Doing lymph massage on the lower and upper legs will get fresh blood 
down there 
quicker. Gentle rub/squeeze from foot towards groin. Toe fungus is difficult 
because it 
protects it self . Most effective for that is a two pot footbath connect to 6 
to 9v + in one side 
and - in other pot.ref: http://www.royalrife.com/mold_toxins.pdf


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Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemists in the group

[RaVen]

Thanks, Lynn, for your detailed observation notes about how minerals affects 
your muscle spasms. 
What's intriguing is that my calcium level in that Spectrum vitamin (blood) 
test was that my calcium was actually way above normal. Ironically I am not 
supposed to eat dairy and casein -- but I confess I'm addicted to it and trying 
to quit - have to wean slowly. So now it makes me wonder if the calcium 
(without taking any magnesium supplement) is triggering the entire body muscle 
spasms? 
I did read once, somewhere, dairy can cause muscle spasms --- I don't want to 
accept that but I do.  Even raw milk of cow/goat/sheep/camel still affects me. 
So depressing as I love milk/cream/butter. *sigh*

I hope the potassium does the trick - I am fed up with ignorant doctors telling 
me all kinds of BS half-hearted "remedies" - such as "drink more water" - "eat 
more salt" - "do yoga"- "take muscle relaxing drugs"etc and nothing is working. 
I start to feel like I'm a "lunatic" to bother fed up doctors or something. 

OTP (off the point) question about silver colloidal silver - where can I find a 
truthful site that teaches people all the benefits it does for ailments? 


RaVen


On Feb 19, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Lynn  wrote:

I find that if I have 99 mg of potassium bisglycinate  once a day, and 3 (300 
mgs of magnesium glycinate chelate, it sometimes isn’t enough and I’ll need two 
more magnesium glycerinate chelate pills about 4 a.m.  

If I take calcium pills I often get bad Charlie Horse cramps. But I can have 
foods with calcium in them. I’ve tried to take Calcium many times and ended up 
with the cramps. The potassium seems to regulate kidney function.
Just my observations for my own body.

Lynn 
> On Feb 19, 2015, at 6:34 PM, ASL raVen  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, John, for your speedy reply. Much appreciated --- I'll check the 
> Morton brand for potassium. Lately my muscles have been acting up overtime 
> like severe Charlie Horse cramps all over my body. Strangely enough, I just 
> had a Spectra vitamin/mineral blood test and it says my potassium level is 
> normal? Not sure if I believe this test.  
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> RaVen 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:29 PM, John Popelish  wrote:
>> Not unless it says Iodized on the package.  I use salt substitute made by 
>> Mortons and it has no iodine.
>> 
>>> On 02/19/2015 09:21 PM, ASL raVen wrote:
>>> Hi John,
>>> Does the potassium salt have iodine in it?
>>> 
>>> RaVen
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Tony Moody]

Hallo David,

OK, I'm interested to know more. 

Suffice to say that most on the list will not be in on this, because most make 
CS with distilled 
water for control purposes. I think most 'generators' used by list members have 
both current 
control ( to control the rapidity of the process ) and end point control to 
shut off at some 
predictable strength.  

Where I live distilled water is very precious, rare and very expensive. One 
needs a Doctors 
precription in order to buy 500ml. Years ago I wanted to get into making and 
selling colloidal 
silver and approached bulk distilled water manufacturers for the pharmaceutical 
and beauty 
products  industry. Took a sniff, commented that it smelled like boiler water 
and the answer 
was "yes, we get it from the power station."  So I gave that a miss due to the 
probable 
contamination by all the boiler water treatment nasties carried over. 

I am interested in your process, particularly the filtering. How and why  etc. 
What do you test 
for? 

At present my water is municipal too. It is fairly clean, tasty, and soft, but 
is faintly cloudy out 
of the tap sometimes which is most probably mainly an iron floc load . I'm very 
interested to 
know how you deal with iron in the water. 

I have stopped developing my device, It is current control at 1mA per square 
inch, Use your 
own egg timer. 250ml (a cup) is ready in 2 to 5 minutes. And for that for me is 
more than 
enough for a weeks use. 

Maybe I should make a 'generator' for finer quality CS at a lower current 
density. I'll check 
how low I can go. 

OK,

Tony Moody

On 20 Feb 2015 at 11:07, Debra & David wrote about :
Subject : CS>Highly ionic CS.

> Jason and Tony.
> 
> I'm reluctant to mention the medium because it will sound completely crazy
> and I wanted to experiment for a bit longer but here goes... Its my
> ordinary tap water.
> 
> Its ordinary fluorided, chlorinated, filtered mains water of about 440uS
> or 250 ppm. It varies in quality from day to day but the important thing
> to note is that it has been filtered to remove all particles. It has no
> TE.
> 
> I've made a number of very high ppm batches in this stuff. Various sizes
> from 250 mls to 2 litres. My (Faraday) calculated ppm is usually at least
> 200 ppm (sometimes much higher) but the water remains crystal clear, does
> not go yellow, grey or black even sunlight.  I NEVER GET A significant
> T.E. and and the uS has increased by up to 100 uS.
> 
> I understand this is counter-intuitive. Impure water has been a no no for
> a long time. The usual expected result is that the silver ions will
> rapidly combine with the dissolved salt to create silver chloride
> particles and a white mess. And yes that is what happens if you use too
> much current, such as 3 batteries or a 12v wall wart.  But I'm using a
> constant 1mA or less (thats very important)  and for some reason the Ag+
> is not combining with with the Cl-.
> 
> I believe that for some reason the saturation point of Silver in this
> medium is far higher than in distilled water.  I dont know if its unique
> to my water its or its a common phenomenon.  I'm now experimenting using
> distilled water with various levels of salt added.
> 
> Please try the experiment yourself in your own filtered town water (or any
> non distilled water) if you have a constant VERY LOW current generator.
> I'd be very interested to hear your results.
> 
> 
> David.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Right, I'll bite!
> 
> For a start :
> 
>   * What size rods are you using?
>   * and what volume of water?
> 
>   * What is the water quality?
> 
> 
> OK,
> Tony
> 
> On 20 Feb 2015 at 0:17, Debra & David wrote:
> 
> > Hi David:
> > Did you run the batch with a  meter in-line to verify the stability of
> > the current? ~Jason
> >
> > I'm using a  Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
> > take a few microamps. (I have a  meter running in line with a batch
> > right now. Says .969 mA. Close  enough I'd say.
> >
> > David.
> 



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CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Debra & David]

Hello Jason

I understand your comment but my main interest is how and why I'm 
getting this result. (I'm not actually recommending that people 
regularly drink highly ionic or colloidal silver.) But I am intrigued 
that I can dissolve 200 ppm of silver into this water and still have no TE.


As you know the search for highly ionic, measurable, CS has been a 
passion for some people. But the quest has always been founded on using 
pure water.  But trying to dissolve CS into pure water to achieve a 
measure higher than 20 to 30 uS is very difficult. I'd suggest its 
almost like trying to defy gravity. Ionic silver has a saturation point 
of about 24 uS (24ppm) in pure water and theres no way around that.


For some reason the silver stays 'ionic' in this water that I am using. 
I can even measure a uS increase corresponding to the predicted silver 
content. Does it have something to do with the high salt content or is 
it something else? Or am I just misreading the signs? I am trying to 
find out.


Regards
David (In Australia)



From:
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Date:
20/02/2015 12:45 PM



Hi David:

Interesting.  However, I won't even bathe in tap water around here, and 
wouldn't drink the water even if it were basically filtered. For that 
reason, I'm out! :o)  The water I use is always 50 uS or below.


Best of luck, though!

~Jason

CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2015 #64

[Evan Jones]

RaVen  asked:

>Does the potassium salt have iodine in it?

No


Beth Toraason wrote:
>
>> I love the Magnesium Oil from Swanson's.  When sprayed
>> on, it stops a cramp in my leg or foot within 5 minutes or so.

John wote:
> I use salt substitute (mostly potassium chloride) for that.  Just a
> sprinkle on the tongue usually melts a cramp in a minute or two. If this
> happens a couple times in a week, I just add a teaspoon of the potassium
> salt to my salt shaker, and eliminate cramps for a week or two.
>
> Muscle cramps are one of the symptoms of low
> blood potassium.
>
> I wonder if there is any potassium in your Magnesium Oil.

Electric signalling to muscles needs adequate magnesium, sodium and potassium.

If we get short of any of these 3 basic minerals, we can get cramps.

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> silver-digest Digest  Volume 2015 : Issue 64
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> Today's Topics:
>   Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemist  [ ASL raVen  ]
>   Re: RE: CS>Highly ionic CS.   [ Kenneth Taylor 
> ]
>   Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemist  [ John Popelish
>  ]
>   Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.   [ Kenneth Taylor 
> ]
>   Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemist  [ ASL raVen  ]
>   Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemist  [ John Popelish
>  ]
>   Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.   [ Da Darrin 
> ]
>   Re: CS>Human Telomerese Gene Express  [ Joe Huard  ]
>   Re: Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.   [ Debra & David
>  ]
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Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemists in the group

[Lynn]

I find that if I have 99 mg of potassium bisglycinate  once a day, and 3 (300 
mgs of magnesium glycinate chelate, it sometimes isn’t enough and I’ll need two 
more magnesium glycerinate chelate pills about 4 a.m.  

If I take calcium pills I often get bad Charlie Horse cramps. But I can have 
foods with calcium in them. I’ve tried to take Calcium many times and ended up 
with the cramps. The potassium seems to regulate kidney function.
Just my observations for my own body.

Lynn 
On Feb 19, 2015, at 6:34 PM, ASL raVen  wrote:

> Thanks, John, for your speedy reply. Much appreciated --- I'll check the 
> Morton brand for potassium. Lately my muscles have been acting up overtime 
> like severe Charlie Horse cramps all over my body. Strangely enough, I just 
> had a Spectra vitamin/mineral blood test and it says my potassium level is 
> normal? Not sure if I believe this test.  
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> RaVen 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:29 PM, John Popelish  wrote:
> Not unless it says Iodized on the package.  I use salt substitute made by 
> Mortons and it has no iodine.
> 
> On 02/19/2015 09:21 PM, ASL raVen wrote:
> Hi John,
> Does the potassium salt have iodine in it?
> 
> RaVen
> 
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> 
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Re: Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Debra & David]

On 20/02/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:

According to Brooks, 3 to 5 PPM/mg/l is highly effective.



That might work in a test tube perhaps, but there are no clinical trials 
that support that in real practice. Anyway I think theres just as much 
anecdotal evidence to suggest the stronger the better.


I have my doubts that a mouthful of 3ppm is going to do much for an 
infection in an extremity...  for example an infection in a big toe.


David


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Re: CS>Human Telomerese Gene Expression

[Joe Huard]

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/11/05/fast-food-packaging-chemicals.aspx?e_cid=20141105Z1_PRNL_art_1&utm_source=prmrnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20141105Z1&et_cid=DM59482&et_rid=717335700

Joe
On 2015-02-19 8:41 PM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

Can someone in the group comment on this for me?


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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Da Darrin]

  I imagine that stainless would just give it a place to plate out and
weaken the batch considerably.
 you would have to watch it on a wood stove and that would be a long task.
You don't want it to boil and it evaporates very slowly.  You might rig up
a way to heat with a candle under a metal plate of some sort with a glass
vessel containing the CS.
Used coffee pots are quite cheap and would be a good investment.
Dave

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Walter Anderson <
walter.ander...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dave. I don’t have a lot of experience with this stuff (think we’ve
> made three batches in an SG7 so far) and would have guessed concentrating
> it like you note would cause agglomeration. But your observations on adding
> water back in suggest that is not the case.
>
> I’ve wondered before about how to get higher ppm. I think it would make
> sense for inhaling if one had a lung condition, and have wondered if higher
> ppm would be useful for external use (wounds, rashes, etc) as well.
>
> You use a coffee pot. I’m thinking that gets it hot and steaming, but not
> quite boiling (no coffee pot here… just chaga in an old pot on the wood
> stove). Would boiling CS have any adverse effects on it? And would boiling
> it in a s/s pot be a bad idea?
>
> Walter
>
>
>
> *From:* Da Darrin [mailto:ddarrin...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thu, Feb. 19, 2015 09:52
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.
>
>
>
>  Using less water and letting it get dark would make less ionic and more
> coloidal (particlulate)solution.
>  If you brew longer to make color the result is agglomeration. (formation
> of larger particles) , that is why I make a normal batch, then remove the
> water to what I want for strength. If this process caused agglomeration the
> solution would not go back to clear when the water is added back in as
> adding water wouldn't break up the agglomerated particles and it would
> still show as color.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:04 AM, V  wrote:
>
> So If I use smaller amounts of water and let it get dark? I also am
> wondering about using H202 with the solution. This had been discussed a bit
> in the past so I should go back to the archives for those discussions but I
> have had a bottle of food grade as they call it in my freezer. I bought it
> at a time when I rabidly was searching for a cure for my sisters cancer.
> Sadly she wasn't open to alternatives and I lost my best friend really
> quickly with the excessive traditional cut/slash/burn treatments that
> destroyed the quality of her last days as well. Brutal to watch someone you
> love suffer to that degree. So I am determined to keep learning how to take
> care of myself.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Da Darrin  wrote:
>
>   The way I make any strength i want is after making a given strength I
> remove a bunch of the water so it is more concentrated. Simple to do with
> an old coffee pot. Just set it on the plate and wait until the level drops
> to come to whatever concentration you want. You can get to a color that is
> quite dark as it concentrates and return it to clear by adding the water
> back into it so you can see that you are not causing agglomeration
>
> Dave.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Debra & David 
> wrote:
>
> Hi David:
> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the
> current?
> ~Jason
>
> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>
> David.
>
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Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemists in the group

[John Popelish]

Won't take much risk, time or money to find out, experimentally

On 02/19/2015 09:34 PM, ASL raVen wrote:

Thanks, John, for your speedy reply. Much appreciated ---
I'll check the Morton brand for potassium. Lately my muscles
have been acting up overtime like severe Charlie Horse
cramps all over my body. Strangely enough, I just had a
Spectra vitamin/mineral blood test and it says my potassium
level is normal? Not sure if I believe this test. Â

Cheers,Â

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Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemists in the group

[ASL raVen]

Thanks, John, for your speedy reply. Much appreciated --- I'll check the
Morton brand for potassium. Lately my muscles have been acting up overtime
like severe Charlie Horse cramps all over my body. Strangely enough, I just
had a Spectra vitamin/mineral blood test and it says my potassium level is
normal? Not sure if I believe this test.

Cheers,

RaVen

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:29 PM, John Popelish  wrote:

> Not unless it says Iodized on the package.  I use salt substitute made by
> Mortons and it has no iodine.
>
> On 02/19/2015 09:21 PM, ASL raVen wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>> Does the potassium salt have iodine in it?
>>
>> RaVen
>>
>
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>
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Kenneth Taylor]

I make my CS to 20 ppm and then I add a  half cup of the 'silver' to a quart of 
filtered water, drinking that mixture, at least every other day.

Kenneth
Karen is Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise

Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemists in the group

[John Popelish]

Not unless it says Iodized on the package.  I use salt 
substitute made by Mortons and it has no iodine.


On 02/19/2015 09:21 PM, ASL raVen wrote:

Hi John,
Does the potassium salt have iodine in it?

RaVen


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Re: RE: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Kenneth Taylor]

I wonder if using CS in a humidifier would work. Would be wasteful though, you 
think? 

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Re: CS>OT -Magnesium for the chemists in the group

[ASL raVen]

Hi John,
Does the potassium salt have iodine in it?

RaVen

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:54 AM, John Popelish  wrote:

> On 01/28/2015 09:35 AM, Beth Toraason wrote:
>
>> I love the Magnesium Oil from Swanson's.  When sprayed
>> on, it stops a cramp in my leg or foot within 5 minutes or so.
>> Beth T
>>
>
> I use salt substitute (mostly potassium chloride) for that.  Just a
> sprinkle on the tongue usually melts a cramp in a minute or two. If this
> happens a couple times in a week, I just add a teaspoon of the potassium
> salt to my salt shaker, and eliminate cramps for a week or two.
>
> We eat a lot of sodium (normal salt) in the modern diet. But when our
> kidneys eject the extra sodium, they unavoidably kick out some of our
> potassium at the same time.  Muscle cramps are one of the symptoms of low
> blood potassium.
>
> I wonder if there is any potassium in your Magnesium Oil.
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Jason]

Hi David:

Interesting.  However, I won't even bathe in tap water around here, and 
wouldn't drink the water even if it were basically filtered.  For that 
reason, I'm out! :o)  The water I use is always 50 uS or below.


Best of luck, though!

~Jason

On 2/19/2015 4:37 PM, Debra & David wrote:

Jason and Tony.

I'm reluctant to mention the medium because it will sound completely
crazy and I wanted to experiment for a bit longer but here goes... Its
my ordinary tap water.

Its ordinary fluorided, chlorinated, filtered mains water of about 440uS
or 250 ppm. It varies in quality from day to day but the important thing
to note is that it has been filtered to remove all particles. It has no TE.

I've made a number of very high ppm batches in this stuff. Various sizes
from 250 mls to 2 litres. My (Faraday) calculated ppm is usually at
least 200 ppm (sometimes much higher) but the water remains crystal
clear, does not go yellow, grey or black even sunlight.  I NEVER GET A
significant T.E. and and the uS has increased by up to 100 uS.

I understand this is counter-intuitive. Impure water has been a no no
for a long time. The usual expected result is that the silver ions will
rapidly combine with the dissolved salt to create silver chloride
particles and a white mess. And yes that is what happens if you use too
much current, such as 3 batteries or a 12v wall wart.  But I'm using a
constant 1mA or less (thats very important)  and for some reason the Ag+
is not combining with with the Cl-.

I believe that for some reason the saturation point of Silver in this
medium is far higher than in distilled water.  I dont know if its unique
to my water its or its a common phenomenon.  I'm now experimenting using
distilled water with various levels of salt added.

Please try the experiment yourself in your own filtered town water (or
any non distilled water) if you have a constant VERY LOW current
generator. I'd be very interested to hear your results.


David.




Right, I'll bite!

For a start :

  * What size rods are you using?
  * and what volume of water?

  * What is the water quality?


OK,
Tony

On 20 Feb 2015 at 0:17, Debra & David wrote:


Hi David:
Did you run the batch with a  meter in-line to verify the stability of
the current? ~Jason

I'm using a  Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
take a few microamps. (I have a  meter running in line with a batch
right now. Says .969 mA. Close  enough I'd say.

David.



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RE: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Walter Anderson]

Thanks Dave. I don’t have a lot of experience with this stuff (think we’ve made 
three batches in an SG7 so far) and would have guessed concentrating it like 
you note would cause agglomeration. But your observations on adding water back 
in suggest that is not the case.

I’ve wondered before about how to get higher ppm. I think it would make sense 
for inhaling if one had a lung condition, and have wondered if higher ppm would 
be useful for external use (wounds, rashes, etc) as well.

You use a coffee pot. I’m thinking that gets it hot and steaming, but not quite 
boiling (no coffee pot here… just chaga in an old pot on the wood stove). Would 
boiling CS have any adverse effects on it? And would boiling it in a s/s pot be 
a bad idea?

Walter

 

From: Da Darrin [mailto:ddarrin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thu, Feb. 19, 2015 09:52
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

 

 Using less water and letting it get dark would make less ionic and more 
coloidal (particlulate)solution.
 If you brew longer to make color the result is agglomeration. (formation of 
larger particles) , that is why I make a normal batch, then remove the water to 
what I want for strength. If this process caused agglomeration the solution 
would not go back to clear when the water is added back in as adding water 
wouldn't break up the agglomerated particles and it would still show as color. 

Dave

 

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:04 AM, V mailto:highergroun...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So If I use smaller amounts of water and let it get dark? I also am wondering 
about using H202 with the solution. This had been discussed a bit in the past 
so I should go back to the archives for those discussions but I have had a 
bottle of food grade as they call it in my freezer. I bought it at a time when 
I rabidly was searching for a cure for my sisters cancer. Sadly she wasn't open 
to alternatives and I lost my best friend really quickly with the excessive 
traditional cut/slash/burn treatments that destroyed the quality of her last 
days as well. Brutal to watch someone you love suffer to that degree. So I am 
determined to keep learning how to take care of myself.

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Da Darrin mailto:ddarrin...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  The way I make any strength i want is after making a given strength I remove 
a bunch of the water so it is more concentrated. Simple to do with an old 
coffee pot. Just set it on the plate and wait until the level drops to come to 
whatever concentration you want. You can get to a color that is quite dark as 
it concentrates and return it to clear by adding the water back into it so you 
can see that you are not causing agglomeration

Dave.

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Debra & David mailto:alch...@kern.com.au> > wrote:

Hi David:
Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the 
current?
~Jason

I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or take a 
few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right now. Says 
.969 mA. Close enough I'd say.

David.



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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Jim Holmes]

According to Brooks, 3 to 5 PPM/mg/l is highly effective.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Kirsteen Wright <
kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know what you mean.  I'm in the UK and hummed and hawed for ages before
> ordering the Silver Puppy.  I'm absolutely delighted with it and the
> service I got and just wished I'd ordered it sooner.
>
> Cheers
> Kirsteen
> On 19 Feb 2015 19:02, "V"  wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is exactly what I intend to do next! : )
>> I had been looking at different models and have heard
>> much on the silver puppy. Being in Canada I wanted to be
>> extra careful what I buy for parts/service/shipping costs etc.
>> I do however want to learn more about the subject either way.
>> So many things that pull at your time and attention so still have
>> not acted on ordering something yet! : )
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Dee  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi V I know this sounds obvious, but if you are not tekky minded as you
>>> say, wouldn't it be easier to buy a SilverPuppy or similar, where it is all
>>> done for you and swaps current and stirs itself?  Just a thought, but maybe
>>> an easier option? Dee
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:06, V  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in
>>> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it
>>> is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods
>>> every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it
>>> in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything
>>> to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel
>>> the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small
>>> and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple
>>> leaf coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my
>>> current machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator
>>> clips have to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are
>>> left with such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very
>>> slow. Perhaps this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there
>>> anyone who has used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am
>>> following all discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal
>>> input at this point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know
>>> that I can't be the only one still learning and just not commenting much
>>> yet. Thanks! Val
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi David:
 Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of
 the current?
 ~Jason

 I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
 take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
 now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.

 David.



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>>

Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Kenneth Taylor]

My friend Jane, introduced me to the silver puppy. Thank you Jane! I love mine. 

Kenneth
Karen is Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise

CS>Human Telomerese Gene Expression

[Deborah Gerard]

Can someone in the group comment on this for me? 

Re: CS>Don't miss this!

[Deborah Gerard]

What movie is it? 

 On Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:22 PM, V  wrote:
   

 Awesome movie! Offered for free viewing as of midnight tonight until March 6th!


The fact that I can plant a seed and it becomes a flower, share a bit of 
knowledge and it becomes another's, smile at someone and receive a smile in 
return, are to me continual spiritual exercises.Leo Buscaglia 

CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Debra & David]

Jason and Tony.

I'm reluctant to mention the medium because it will sound completely 
crazy and I wanted to experiment for a bit longer but here goes... Its 
my ordinary tap water.


Its ordinary fluorided, chlorinated, filtered mains water of about 440uS 
or 250 ppm. It varies in quality from day to day but the important thing 
to note is that it has been filtered to remove all particles. It has no TE.


I've made a number of very high ppm batches in this stuff. Various sizes 
from 250 mls to 2 litres. My (Faraday) calculated ppm is usually at 
least 200 ppm (sometimes much higher) but the water remains crystal 
clear, does not go yellow, grey or black even sunlight.  I NEVER GET A 
significant T.E. and and the uS has increased by up to 100 uS.


I understand this is counter-intuitive. Impure water has been a no no 
for a long time. The usual expected result is that the silver ions will 
rapidly combine with the dissolved salt to create silver chloride 
particles and a white mess. And yes that is what happens if you use too 
much current, such as 3 batteries or a 12v wall wart.  But I'm using a 
constant 1mA or less (thats very important)  and for some reason the Ag+ 
is not combining with with the Cl-.


I believe that for some reason the saturation point of Silver in this 
medium is far higher than in distilled water.  I dont know if its unique 
to my water its or its a common phenomenon.  I'm now experimenting using 
distilled water with various levels of salt added.


Please try the experiment yourself in your own filtered town water (or 
any non distilled water) if you have a constant VERY LOW current 
generator. I'd be very interested to hear your results.



David.




Right, I'll bite!

For a start :

 * What size rods are you using?
 * and what volume of water?

 * What is the water quality?


OK,
Tony

On 20 Feb 2015 at 0:17, Debra & David wrote:


Hi David:
Did you run the batch with a  meter in-line to verify the stability of
the current? ~Jason

I'm using a  Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
take a few microamps. (I have a  meter running in line with a batch
right now. Says .969 mA. Close  enough I'd say.

David.

Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Kirsteen Wright]

I know what you mean.  I'm in the UK and hummed and hawed for ages before
ordering the Silver Puppy.  I'm absolutely delighted with it and the
service I got and just wished I'd ordered it sooner.

Cheers
Kirsteen
On 19 Feb 2015 19:02, "V"  wrote:

> Yes, that is exactly what I intend to do next! : )
> I had been looking at different models and have heard
> much on the silver puppy. Being in Canada I wanted to be
> extra careful what I buy for parts/service/shipping costs etc.
> I do however want to learn more about the subject either way.
> So many things that pull at your time and attention so still have
> not acted on ordering something yet! : )
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Dee  wrote:
>
>> Hi V I know this sounds obvious, but if you are not tekky minded as you
>> say, wouldn't it be easier to buy a SilverPuppy or similar, where it is all
>> done for you and swaps current and stirs itself?  Just a thought, but maybe
>> an easier option? Dee
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:06, V  wrote:
>>
>> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in
>> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it
>> is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods
>> every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it
>> in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything
>> to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel
>> the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small
>> and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple
>> leaf coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my
>> current machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator
>> clips have to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are
>> left with such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very
>> slow. Perhaps this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there
>> anyone who has used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am
>> following all discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal
>> input at this point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know
>> that I can't be the only one still learning and just not commenting much
>> yet. Thanks! Val
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David:
>>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of
>>> the current?
>>> ~Jason
>>>
>>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
>>> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
>>> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>>
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CS>Don't miss this!

[V]

Awesome movie! Offered for free viewing as of midnight tonight until March
6th!


The fact that I can plant a seed and it becomes a flower, share a bit of
knowledge and it becomes another's, smile at someone and receive a smile in
return, are to me continual spiritual exercises.
Leo Buscaglia

CS>Change

[Reece Maxey]

Mike, 
Suggestions on how to improve the SilverList are flying back and forth, and I'm 
sure some of them have merit. I have already said it works for me and I like it 
fine as is

Why do I like it as it is? Because obviously intelligent, experienced people 
like Ode, Malcom,
Neville, Dee, Lena, and the list goes on, have chosen to take time to share 
information and advice with me and to guide me along the way. And the list 
includes you Mike. I am gaining
knowledge each day as I check my email. Thanks to everyone.
Opa

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CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Debra & David]

Gail

I didn't set out to make 200 ppm CS that is 100 ppm ionic and 100 ppm 
colloidal, yet remains crystal clear. It was an accident. And I still 
have experiments to do that may prove that I am completely wrong. (I 
probably am, but so far so good)


In my opinion, strong CS is generally better than weak CS but strong CS 
usually turns into large particles, so its not really 'strong' at all.


An example of where I would use it:  For a serious condition such as 
emphysema you need to inhale CS, but you can only inhale a tiny amount 
in each breath (and nebuliser only holds about 5mls of CS anyway). In my 
opinion it would be far better to inhale 5mls of 200 ppm CS than 5mls of 
15 ppm CS (as long as the CS is ionic or very small particles).


Of course argyria could become a problem but thats another issue. If I 
had emphysemsa, argyria would be the least of my worries.


David.


David

I must have missed your post about making the 200ppm CS yesterday. .
Anyway, if this goes through, I hope you will answer my question about 
the 200 ppm CS.


Gail


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Re: CS>Odd

[Kenneth Taylor]

V, 
And you aren't imagining it either. 
I was literally reading a long email (not from this group) when 'poof' the 
email in question just disappeared while I was reading. Nope, it wasn't in my 
deleted folder either, it was just gone. G
A couple days later, my wife was telling me about an email I had sent her with 
some video links, that email also had disappeared on her, when she went back to 
look at it and she discovered it went 'poof'.
I use Yahoo mail, she uses AOL, any correlation? Hmmm. 
This all took place a couple of weeks ago. 
I sometimes wonder just what I am not getting now.
:-(

Kenneth
Karen is Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise

CS>Forum - some hard truths. Some hard opinions.

[Malcolm]

I have to respond; being another "dwindling member" with all-too-much
flexibility and presently no access to internet of any sort beyond a
land-line.  E-mail is hardly (you'll pardon me, I trust) a "deep rut"
either, and has proven itself quite user-friendly.  

Rather it is the highly commercial ISP's which have mis-used the medium
to extract whatever sale-able gains they can from it, and if you imagine
they are not eager to do the same or worse to the consumer in forums or
other sorts of lists you are deluded.

Further, the "collective wisdom" on this list remains  accessible in the
archives, which have survived in spite of the machinations of the above
mentioned Large, Profit Driven ISP's (oh, and don't forget Comcast.)  It
is the community of dwindling members that have preserved their own
copies of the archives and re-published them for us all; catch Yahooey
doing that?!

Uncle Ben is a fine man, and brilliant; however his mind operates at a
much greater speed than, say, 9,999 out of ten thousand.  This hardly
qualifies as user-friendly for anyone but another Uncle-Ben, and often
not for them either. I think you could figure this out - by observation
if by no other means.

Have mercy and a little caution D&D; your "hard truths" are hard
opinions, your examples less than exemplary, your disdain for
contrasting thought, evident and contrary.  Your positive suggestions
seem quite worthwhile, and if you spend more of your efforts on
illustrating their benefits I'd be grateful.

Malcolm

On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 23:57 +1030, Debra & David wrote:
> On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote:
> 
> > ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that
> > email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will
> > provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the
> > largest potential audience.
> 
> The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user
> friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due
> to the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of
> vBulletin forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a
> lesson here.
> 
> (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then
> gave up?).
> 
> > The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that.
> > It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is
> > bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as
> > foster technical discussions and development.
> Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it 
> was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to 
> be seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a 
> message claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that 
> was 50% ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 
> years ago this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and 
> ridicule. Today it passed without comment by anyone except Jason.  Earlier in 
> the week Floyd couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions 
> about his basic system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent 
> discussing why he didnt get an answer than actually answering him. 
> 
> 
> Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are 
> barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a 
> proven success and has all the features you really need (including 
> pictures!). You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel 
> forum? If you do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make 
> that 'Super CS' I mentioned above.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 



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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Sandra George]

Hi Neville I have never experienced your situation with the ph meter - 
immediately thought of the calibration liquid as the possible culprit, however 
you rinsed well so cannot make any comments - I use either the TDS meter or the 
PH meter however I never put what I have tested back into anything this goes 
down the drain - so maybe there is some
chemical reaction with some deposit of some sort which was not apparent at the 
time.
Agreed with your statement about what you produce, I feel the same way about 
mine 
Take good care
Sandee🐬
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops & Topical Gel
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On 18 Feb 2015, at 21:54, Neville  wrote:

SOLVED...LOL.  Well I believe I've solved it anyway, and I only solved it this 
morning Dee.

Due to recent comments here regarding pH I thought I'd play around and test 
again with another batch, and within minutes the water turned milky...WHAT 
THE...???  I knew what was coming next, that dark spot in the centre of the 
bottom of the vessel the next day.

I dug deep into my memory bank and remembered I used a pH meter previously, but 
like an idiot I returned the test sample back into my brew water prior to 
starting the brew process - BIG mistake seemingly.

On contemplating events I came to the conclusion pH meters somehow contaminate 
water.  I dumped that entire batch down the sink, only about 1200ml, cleaned 
the vessel out with paper towel and started again using DW straight out of the 
bottle - perfect, clear and as it should be both during and upon cessation of 
the brew process.

I did however test the pH of the DW out of the bottle, and of course tipped 
that sample down the sink rather than returning it to the DW I intended to 
brew, I also tested pH in a batch of EIS that's been in storage for a while.  I 
did calibrate the El Cheapo EBay pH meter according to instructions initially, 
and then rinsed it several times with DW hoping everything was 'good to go'.

Now, I had some samples tested several years ago at an Industrial Complex 
laboratory, those EIS samples returned readings between 7.4 and 7.8, besides 
other results I wanted, in a clear, a yellow and an amber or tea coloured 
solution.

I had this mornings batch tested, and an older sample, plus the DW I used for 
this mornings batch.  They used some computer program and ancillary equipment 
for testing purposes.  I labelled them 'A' and 'B', 'B' being this mornings 
fresh batch, and just took the bottle of DW to them.

My DW test out of the bottle with meter for sample 'B', this mornings sample = 
6.7   Their test on same DW using their equipment = 6.7, all seems well.

I didn't test or document pH of DW in sample 'A' which was an old batch of EIS, 
but their test on that sample returned 6.8

Sample 'B', this mornings fresh batch returned 7.0, what it will be in a few 
weeks time I have no idea?

I realised this morning that the measuring cup, and the syringe, and the little 
circular thingy they inserted into the machine they used could have had 
*anything* in them prior to my tests being performed?  I also understood DW 
would/could vary in quality from batch to batch.  This can/could also affect pH 
readings.  Unless one is looking over "someones?" shoulder and ensuring 
everything is as clean and contaminant free as is possible there is not much 
point in testing for anything, anywhere?  All these facilities and the people 
working in them have no understanding our product, hence they would not be as 
pedantic and methodical with things as we would like them to be.

So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than my own 
visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on same.  I have 
not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality of my product.

I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, "pedantics" of this stuff.  
I'm not a happy chappy anyway, I'll just stick to what I've been doing for 
years and leave the rest of it for someone else.  If it looks like a quality 
product, behaves like a quality product, remains visually like a quality 
product and is seemingly as efficacious as a quality product...Then it *IS* a 
quality product .

When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me .  
What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different things.

P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?

N.

Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
From: d...@deetroy.org
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely in 
second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about your 
strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really resolved?  
Cèst là vie!   Dee

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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[V]

Indeed! I agree so have to pick and choose what I want most to learn and
keep shuffling the deck as priorities change. A passion for learning but
not enough time in this one life and especially for the time left in this
one to master any one thing. Hence the need for input from others. Thanks
to all here! The KISS principle is a good one! : )

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Lena Guyot  wrote:

> I'm with you, Dee!
> I've already got too many maintenance routines for healing, too many
> learning curves; my SilverPuppy never lets me down and its CS is very
> effective. As they say, even in the tech world, 'KISS' (keep it simple,
> stupid)
> Be well,
> Léna
>
> On Feb 19, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Dee wrote:
>
> Hi V I know this sounds obvious, but if you are not tekky minded as you
> say, wouldn't it be easier to buy a SilverPuppy or similar, where it is all
> done for you and swaps current and stirs itself?  Just a thought, but maybe
> an easier option? Dee
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:06, V  wrote:
>
> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in
> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it
> is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods
> every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it
> in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything
> to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel
> the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small
> and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple
> leaf coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my
> current machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator
> clips have to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are
> left with such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very
> slow. Perhaps this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there
> anyone who has used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am
> following all discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal
> input at this point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know
> that I can't be the only one still learning and just not commenting much
> yet. Thanks! Val
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi David:
>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the
>> current?
>> ~Jason
>>
>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
>> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
>> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
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CS>Odd

[V]

I routinely check my spam folder as about a third of my messages from this
list end up there. Today I clicked as always "Not Spam" and the message
usually then shows up in the inbox. Today it just disappeared! Time for a
different email too! G-mail is what I am using at the moment.

Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Lena Guyot]

I'm with you, Dee! 
I've already got too many maintenance routines for healing, too many learning 
curves; my SilverPuppy never lets me down and its CS is very effective. As they 
say, even in the tech world, 'KISS' (keep it simple, stupid)
Be well,
Léna
On Feb 19, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Dee wrote:

> Hi V I know this sounds obvious, but if you are not tekky minded as you say, 
> wouldn't it be easier to buy a SilverPuppy or similar, where it is all done 
> for you and swaps current and stirs itself?  Just a thought, but maybe an 
> easier option? Dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:06, V  wrote:
> 
>> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in 
>> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it 
>> is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods 
>> every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it 
>> in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything 
>> to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel 
>> the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small 
>> and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple leaf 
>> coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my current 
>> machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator clips have 
>> to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are left with 
>> such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very slow. Perhaps 
>> this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there anyone who has 
>> used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am following all 
>> discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal input at this 
>> point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know that I can't be 
>> the only one still learning and just not commenting much yet. Thanks! Val
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David  wrote:
>> Hi David:
>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the 
>> current?
>> ~Jason
>> 
>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or take 
>> a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right now. 
>> Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>> 
>> David.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[V]

Yes, that is exactly what I intend to do next! : )
I had been looking at different models and have heard
much on the silver puppy. Being in Canada I wanted to be
extra careful what I buy for parts/service/shipping costs etc.
I do however want to learn more about the subject either way.
So many things that pull at your time and attention so still have
not acted on ordering something yet! : )

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Dee  wrote:

> Hi V I know this sounds obvious, but if you are not tekky minded as you
> say, wouldn't it be easier to buy a SilverPuppy or similar, where it is all
> done for you and swaps current and stirs itself?  Just a thought, but maybe
> an easier option? Dee
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:06, V  wrote:
>
> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in
> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it
> is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods
> every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it
> in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything
> to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel
> the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small
> and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple
> leaf coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my
> current machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator
> clips have to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are
> left with such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very
> slow. Perhaps this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there
> anyone who has used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am
> following all discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal
> input at this point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know
> that I can't be the only one still learning and just not commenting much
> yet. Thanks! Val
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi David:
>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the
>> current?
>> ~Jason
>>
>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
>> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
>> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Tony Moody]

Right, I'll bite!

For a start :

*   What size rods are you using?
*   and what volume of water?
*   What is the water quality?

OK,
Tony

On 20 Feb 2015 at 0:17, Debra & David wrote:

> Hi David:
> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of
> the current? ~Jason
>
> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch
> right now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>
> David.
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Dee]

Hi V I know this sounds obvious, but if you are not tekky minded as you say, 
wouldn't it be easier to buy a SilverPuppy or similar, where it is all done for 
you and swaps current and stirs itself?  Just a thought, but maybe an easier 
option? Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:06, V  wrote:
> 
> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in 
> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it is 
> simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods every 
> ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it in at 
> first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything to 
> check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel the 
> silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small and I 
> had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple leaf coins 
> and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my current machine. 
> Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator clips have to be large 
> enough to hold the coins and once they are you are left with such a small 
> amount of the coin in the water that it is very slow. Perhaps this is better 
> then if it is still working but slow? Is there anyone who has used coins? Any 
> suggestions would be most welcome and I am following all discussions but with 
> my lack of wider experience have minimal input at this point. Thank you to 
> all members. We need everyone as I know that I can't be the only one still 
> learning and just not commenting much yet. Thanks! Val
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David  wrote:
>> Hi David:
>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the 
>> current?
>> ~Jason
>> 
>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or take 
>> a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right now. 
>> Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>> 
>> David.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>  Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org
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> 

Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Da Darrin]

 Using less water and letting it get dark would make less ionic and more
coloidal (particlulate)solution.
 If you brew longer to make color the result is agglomeration. (formation
of larger particles) , that is why I make a normal batch, then remove the
water to what I want for strength. If this process caused agglomeration the
solution would not go back to clear when the water is added back in as
adding water wouldn't break up the agglomerated particles and it would
still show as color.
Dave


On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:04 AM, V  wrote:

> So If I use smaller amounts of water and let it get dark? I also am
> wondering about using H202 with the solution. This had been discussed a bit
> in the past so I should go back to the archives for those discussions but I
> have had a bottle of food grade as they call it in my freezer. I bought it
> at a time when I rabidly was searching for a cure for my sisters cancer.
> Sadly she wasn't open to alternatives and I lost my best friend really
> quickly with the excessive traditional cut/slash/burn treatments that
> destroyed the quality of her last days as well. Brutal to watch someone you
> love suffer to that degree. So I am determined to keep learning how to take
> care of myself.
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Da Darrin  wrote:
>
>>   The way I make any strength i want is after making a given strength I
>> remove a bunch of the water so it is more concentrated. Simple to do with
>> an old coffee pot. Just set it on the plate and wait until the level drops
>> to come to whatever concentration you want. You can get to a color that is
>> quite dark as it concentrates and return it to clear by adding the water
>> back into it so you can see that you are not causing agglomeration
>> Dave.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Debra & David 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David:
>>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of
>>> the current?
>>> ~Jason
>>>
>>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
>>> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
>>> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[V]

So If I use smaller amounts of water and let it get dark? I also am
wondering about using H202 with the solution. This had been discussed a bit
in the past so I should go back to the archives for those discussions but I
have had a bottle of food grade as they call it in my freezer. I bought it
at a time when I rabidly was searching for a cure for my sisters cancer.
Sadly she wasn't open to alternatives and I lost my best friend really
quickly with the excessive traditional cut/slash/burn treatments that
destroyed the quality of her last days as well. Brutal to watch someone you
love suffer to that degree. So I am determined to keep learning how to take
care of myself.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Da Darrin  wrote:

>   The way I make any strength i want is after making a given strength I
> remove a bunch of the water so it is more concentrated. Simple to do with
> an old coffee pot. Just set it on the plate and wait until the level drops
> to come to whatever concentration you want. You can get to a color that is
> quite dark as it concentrates and return it to clear by adding the water
> back into it so you can see that you are not causing agglomeration
> Dave.
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Debra & David 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi David:
>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the
>> current?
>> ~Jason
>>
>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
>> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
>> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Jason]

Hi Neville:


On 2/18/2015 5:54 PM, Neville wrote:


On contemplating events I came to the conclusion pH meters somehow
contaminate water.  I dumped that entire batch down the sink, only about
1200ml, cleaned the vessel out with paper towel and started again using
DW straight out of the bottle - perfect, clear and as it should be both
during and upon cessation of the brew process.


..interesting, my Hanna Multi-meter doesn't contaminate the water, but I 
do rinse it with distilled water and wipe it down before use.


~Jason


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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[V]

Thanks Dave. I will look for some strips of silver then and get something
to put  a hole in my coins. I had thought of hanging them off silver wire
but wanted to be sure it was a good thing to do and not screw up my coins
if there was a different way to go about it! Thank you for your input : )

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Da Darrin  wrote:

> V
> I use flat strips and coins ( silver eagles) I cut a small slot through
> the coin and thread the strip through it and fold it back together so there
> are no alligator clips and the whole coin and about two inches of the strip
> are in the water.
>  The reason for strips vs the wire is the coins are easier to keep aligned
> (almost impossible with wire).
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:06 AM, V  wrote:
>
>> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in
>> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it
>> is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods
>> every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it
>> in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything
>> to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel
>> the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small
>> and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple
>> leaf coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my
>> current machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator
>> clips have to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are
>> left with such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very
>> slow. Perhaps this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there
>> anyone who has used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am
>> following all discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal
>> input at this point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know
>> that I can't be the only one still learning and just not commenting much
>> yet. Thanks! Val
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David:
>>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of
>>> the current?
>>> ~Jason
>>>
>>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
>>> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
>>> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>

Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Olushola Camara]

I going to purchase a generator, probably the Silverpuppy. Are there any
videos that show process?

Olushola

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Da Darrin  wrote:

> V
> I use flat strips and coins ( silver eagles) I cut a small slot through
> the coin and thread the strip through it and fold it back together so there
> are no alligator clips and the whole coin and about two inches of the strip
> are in the water.
>  The reason for strips vs the wire is the coins are easier to keep aligned
> (almost impossible with wire).
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:06 AM, V  wrote:
>
>> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in
>> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it
>> is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods
>> every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it
>> in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything
>> to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel
>> the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small
>> and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple
>> leaf coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my
>> current machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator
>> clips have to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are
>> left with such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very
>> slow. Perhaps this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there
>> anyone who has used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am
>> following all discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal
>> input at this point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know
>> that I can't be the only one still learning and just not commenting much
>> yet. Thanks! Val
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David:
>>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of
>>> the current?
>>> ~Jason
>>>
>>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
>>> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
>>> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: CS>Forum - some hard truths.

[Gail Naranjo]

David:
I must have missed your post about making the 200ppm CS yesterday.  I probably 
just didn't see it as I seldom read each and ever post especially when things 
get busy.   But my question is, why?  What does one do with such a high ppm CS? 
 Is it better, as in more efficient, than the CS we usually make?
"Collective wisdom" :)  Wisdom is different than knowledge.  Wisdom is knowing 
what to do with the knowledge you have.   For me, I have to keep things simple. 
 People with cfs, Lyme, fibro all experience brain fog.  Some days are better 
than others, but as the saying goes, "of all the things I miss, I miss my mind 
the most."  And I so admire when I see a good brain working, but I doubt if I 
will ever be able to keep up.  Still it's a pleasure to watch.
There once was a woman (I think she was on this list) that made the comment she 
didn't understand all the technical stuff about CS, the different ppm or much 
of anything, but all she knew was the sovereign silver (I think that was the 
brand but not sure) worked better for her and gave her back her life.  I can't 
remember what she was treating tho.  I think it was Lyme.  We were talking 
about the different prices.   I understood completely about not understanding. 
  For me the extent of my expertise is a good quality distilled water, 
silver, current; cook till done, drink.  And that works for me.
There are archives for the list, but I don't know if they go back 10 years.  
People could search them and perhaps find more information if so inclined.  
I've noticed some posts don't make it to the archives tho.  Some posts don't 
make it through email to me either.  Speaking of Uncle Ben, his posts, for some 
reason, never came through to my email.  I only saw them in the archives.  The 
problem with the archive, tho, is you can't reply from there.   The posts not 
showing up, people not getting a response, or, for some, the lack of wisdom 
seems to be the greatest complaints.  I never understood why some posts go 
through and why others don't either, but if going to another forum will help, 
great.  I don't understand why it use to work and now it's not either.
Anyway, if this goes through, I hope you will answer my question about the 200 
ppm CS.
Gail 

 On Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:35 AM, Debra & David 
 wrote:
   

   On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote:
  
 ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that
email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will
provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the
largest potential audience. 
 
 The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user friendly 
forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to the 
inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin forums for 
even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here.
 
 (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then gave up?).
 
 
 The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that.
It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is
bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as
foster technical discussions and development. 
 Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it 
was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be 
seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message 
claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% 
ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago 
this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it 
passed without comment by anyone except Jason.  Earlier in the week Floyd 
couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic 
system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he 
didnt get an answer than actually answering him. 


Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are 
barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a 
proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). 
You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you 
do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I 
mentioned above.


David


 

   

Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Da Darrin]

V
I use flat strips and coins ( silver eagles) I cut a small slot through the
coin and thread the strip through it and fold it back together so there are
no alligator clips and the whole coin and about two inches of the strip are
in the water.
 The reason for strips vs the wire is the coins are easier to keep aligned
(almost impossible with wire).
Dave

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:06 AM, V  wrote:

> I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in
> technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it
> is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods
> every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it
> in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything
> to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel
> the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small
> and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple
> leaf coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my
> current machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator
> clips have to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are
> left with such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very
> slow. Perhaps this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there
> anyone who has used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am
> following all discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal
> input at this point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know
> that I can't be the only one still learning and just not commenting much
> yet. Thanks! Val
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi David:
>> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the
>> current?
>> ~Jason
>>
>> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
>> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
>> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>>
>> David.
>>
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Jason]

Hi David:

If I remember correctly from a previous post, you said you were using a 
"common ingredient" in the distilled water.  I mentioned that citric 
acid would work (ultimately making a silver citrate silver solution), etc.


Care to share what you're using in the water?

Kind Regards,

Jason


On 2/19/2015 5:47 AM, Debra & David wrote:

Hi David:
Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of
the current?
~Jason

I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.

David.



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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Da Darrin]

  The way I make any strength i want is after making a given strength I
remove a bunch of the water so it is more concentrated. Simple to do with
an old coffee pot. Just set it on the plate and wait until the level drops
to come to whatever concentration you want. You can get to a color that is
quite dark as it concentrates and return it to clear by adding the water
back into it so you can see that you are not causing agglomeration
Dave.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Debra & David  wrote:

> Hi David:
> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the
> current?
> ~Jason
>
> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>
> David.
>
>
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Re: CS>A forum?

[Victor Cozzetto]

Mike,

Let me add my thanks for all your efforts. This is no easy task.

I see that some people have already mentioned Wordpress and vBulletin, and
I think both are good choices, as both support email notifications.
However, they are however quite different from each other, and different
from a list server. I think either is a good choice - and there are also
many other good choices. Some thoughts on that choice:

Forums and bulletin boards (i.e. vBulletin) were the dominant platform for
several decades, even preceding the Web. They are still dominant for many
requirements, and they enable the moderator to remain mostly invisible if
he or she chooses. Generally speaking, the feeling and/or intent is a bit
closed or restricted. I participate in many for IT, gaming, and some
science.

Blogs and publishing tools (i.e. Wordpress) have become more dominant in
grassroots movements, or anything that is trying to 'reach out' to the
public, or put a more public face on something. Generally speaking, they
have a more inviting feeling. But they require significantly more work by
the owner/moderator. I participate in many of these for health and
nutrition, and a lot of colloidal silver info I (we) find is also in this
type of format.

A blog would seem like the more ambitious effort; however, I would guess
that you do not have the time for that, and thus I would say it is too
risky at this time. A bulletin board would be easier, and could keep other
blogs, sites, reddits, topics, etc., in the spotlight, as you see fit. It
could be our hub.

Finally, we might all feel better if we referred to these platforms as
'augmentation' rather than replacement for this list. I would keep this
list alive as a beacon (if possible), and tie it to a bulletin board
service.

There are many more technical details to be considered, but I thought it
best to express these more general opinions first. I would offer to help,
but I am way behind on getting my own blogs and systems online ;-)

Victor





On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:08 PM, M.G. Devour  wrote:

> Hi everyone. I've been away from my computer for a couple of days here,
> though I've monitored some of the discussion so far and am catching up
> with the rest shortly.
>
> Please read carefully what Victor writes here. It expresses my desires
> exactly...
>
> On Sun, 2015-02-15 at 02:06 +0900, Victor Cozzetto wrote:
> > ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that
> > email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will
> > provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the
> > largest potential audience.
>
>
> I hope that is clear, and puts to rest anyone's fears that I intend to
> abandon them. Any idea that doesn't support e-mail-based subscriptions
> to the group is a non-starter for me.
>
> The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that.
> It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is
> bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as
> foster technical discussions and development.
>
> I grant you that a large measure of that shortfall rests squarely on my
> shoulders and the neglect I've subjected the list to for the last few
> years. But some of it IS because of the technical underpinnings -- which
> I've neglected as well.
>
> If we're all on the same page now, I hope that some of you will join in
> to HELP me find that ideal option which will work even better with
> e-mail than the current software, and lets us finally become part of the
> greater web world -- all while preserving independence, control, and
> flexibility.
>
> If you have any time to root around, Victor, I'd love to see if you come
> up with a few options I've missed. Anyone with even a vaguely technical
> background can help in this search.
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Highly ionic CS.

[V]

I am interested in what you are doing and how but I am so not gifted in
technical aspects of this product. I have a beautiful little set up but it
is simple. I don't have a stir option and I have to stir and wipe the rods
every ten minutes. I leave it for about four hours (Sota brand) and have it
in at first a quart and now use a two quart jar. I have not bought anything
to check the solution but have had mostly clear results and can taste/feel
the silver in it. I have been happy so far with it but the rods are small
and I had heard of people using silver coins. I bought two silver Maple
leaf coins and tried to set them up to use off of the connections on my
current machine. Sadly it just doesn't seem to work well. The alligator
clips have to be large enough to hold the coins and once they are you are
left with such a small amount of the coin in the water that it is very
slow. Perhaps this is better then if it is still working but slow? Is there
anyone who has used coins? Any suggestions would be most welcome and I am
following all discussions but with my lack of wider experience have minimal
input at this point. Thank you to all members. We need everyone as I know
that I can't be the only one still learning and just not commenting much
yet. Thanks! Val

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Debra & David  wrote:

> Hi David:
> Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of the
> current?
> ~Jason
>
> I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or
> take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right
> now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.
>
> David.
>
>
>
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CS>Highly ionic CS.

[Debra & David]

Hi David:
Did you run the batch with a meter in-line to verify the stability of 
the current?

~Jason

I'm using a Silverpuppy/Silverwell. Current controlled to 1mA, give or 
take a few microamps. (I have a meter running in line with a batch right 
now. Says .969 mA. Close enough I'd say.


David.



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CS>Forum - some hard truths.

[Debra & David]

On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote:

... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that
email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will
provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the
largest potential audience.


The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user 
friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to 
the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin 
forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here.


(Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then 
gave up?).



The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that.
It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is
bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as
foster technical discussions and development.


Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it 
was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be 
seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message 
claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% 
ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago 
this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it 
passed without comment by anyone except Jason.  Earlier in the week Floyd 
couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic 
system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he 
didnt get an answer than actually answering him.


Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are 
barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a 
proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). 
You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you 
do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I 
mentioned above.


David

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Dee]

Thanks Neville, and by the way (so's not to send two emails) I got an email 
from Floyd which I replied to, and it contained the bit about not being able to 
be read by the silver list server - and my reply was returned! So who knows 
what's going on there!  Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 19 Feb 2015, at 10:43, Neville  wrote:
> 
> Well I was working on a pet private theory I've had for years regarding EIS.  
> From my earlier laboratory tests the pH was between 7.0 and 8.0, on the 
> alkaline side, even after weeks in storage, now if cancer and other nasties 
> supposed to thrive or grow or multiply in an acidic environment I considered 
> perhaps this could have something to do with how efficacious this stuff is, 
> and I sort of still believe it has some merit.
> 
> I also believe if taken first thing in the morning before breakfast the 
> stomach acid will be at it's lowest ebb, due to having nothing to digest for 
> a number of hours during the night, this also is included in my pet theory 
> for efficacy.  I have only stumbled upon one article which supports that 
> view.  May be common knowledge to other folk, but being a numpty I only 
> considered it in more recent times.
> 
> As you may remember, I have always held the belief that EIS ingested 
> immediately after brewing contains the highest amount of Ag+ ions, {which it 
> does}, and hence is at its highest in efficacy, due to relative dormancy of 
> stomach acid as explained above.  One other pH test I had undertaken in the 
> past, {tested within hours of production and apparently was extremely high 
> alkaline from what the bloke said} convinced me I may not be talking out of 
> my hat.  All these in combination I had hypothesised could, and I repeat, 
> "could", have something to do with why this stuff is so good for some health 
> issues.
> 
> Now of course everything, other than the stomach acid thing, is all 
> hypothesising and simply pie in the sky and has been blown completely out of 
> the water with these other pH tests I had just got done.
> 
> It now seems one just cannot rely and/or trust anyone else to perform any 
> form of tests, nor can one rely on the cleanliness of equipment used for that 
> testing.  There are just too many inconsistencies and potential variables 
> with DW, personnel involved in the testing, equipment used, unknown 
> contaminants etc etc.
> 
> It just annoys me that I can find zero information in the public domain 
> regarding the stuff we make, everything revolves around that damn so called 
> "colloidal silver" and it's illegitimate cousins.  I am unable to find 
> anything to do with our predominantly ionic product which can be taken as 
> gospel or of any relative value.
> 
> Today was a disappointing day for me.  OK, I may use a cheap brand of DW, but 
> it would be nice to try Pure Water such as chemists use for prescriptions, or 
> other water of excellent purity for pH testing, even RO water, which I 
> can't/won't do in my kitchen anyway, so not being strong on patience I shan't 
> bother messing around with pH for a while now. The more answers or clues I 
> look for only turns up even more questions and uncertainties.
> 
> N.
> 
> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> From: d...@deetroy.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:42:19 +
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> That's very interesting Neville and full marks for perseverance!  I've never 
> tested for ph - only ppm and my distilled water always reads '0' on that and 
> the CS always ends up about 15.  Does ph matter - I mean I know it does in 
> our bodies, but does it in CS?  Many thanks...Dee
> 

RE: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Neville]

Well I was working on a pet private theory I've had for years regarding EIS.  
From my earlier laboratory tests the pH was between 7.0 and 8.0, on the 
alkaline side, even after weeks in storage, now if cancer and other nasties 
supposed to thrive or grow or multiply in an acidic environment I considered 
perhaps this could have something to do with how efficacious this stuff is, and 
I sort of still believe it has some merit.
I also believe if taken first thing in the morning before breakfast the stomach 
acid will be at it's lowest ebb, due to having nothing to digest for a number 
of hours during the night, this also is included in my pet theory for efficacy. 
 I have only stumbled upon one article which supports that view.  May be common 
knowledge to other folk, but being a numpty I only considered it in more recent 
times.
As you may remember, I have always held the belief that EIS ingested 
immediately after brewing contains the highest amount of Ag+ ions, {which it 
does}, and hence is at its highest in efficacy, due to relative dormancy of 
stomach acid as explained above.  One other pH test I had undertaken in the 
past, {tested within hours of production and apparently was extremely high 
alkaline from what the bloke said} convinced me I may not be talking out of my 
hat.  All these in combination I had hypothesised could, and I repeat, "could", 
have something to do with why this stuff is so good for some health issues.
Now of course everything, other than the stomach acid thing, is all 
hypothesising and simply pie in the sky and has been blown completely out of 
the water with these other pH tests I had just got done.
It now seems one just cannot rely and/or trust anyone else to perform any form 
of tests, nor can one rely on the cleanliness of equipment used for that 
testing.  There are just too many inconsistencies and potential variables with 
DW, personnel involved in the testing, equipment used, unknown contaminants etc 
etc.
It just annoys me that I can find zero information in the public domain 
regarding the stuff we make, everything revolves around that damn so called 
"colloidal silver" and it's illegitimate cousins.  I am unable to find anything 
to do with our predominantly ionic product which can be taken as gospel or of 
any relative value.
Today was a disappointing day for me.  OK, I may use a cheap brand of DW, but 
it would be nice to try Pure Water such as chemists use for prescriptions, or 
other water of excellent purity for pH testing, even RO water, which I 
can't/won't do in my kitchen anyway, so not being strong on patience I shan't 
bother messing around with pH for a while now. The more answers or clues I look 
for only turns up even more questions and uncertainties.
N.

Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
From: d...@deetroy.org
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:42:19 +
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

That's very interesting Neville and full marks for perseverance!  I've never 
tested for ph - only ppm and my distilled water always reads '0' on that and 
the CS always ends up about 15.  Does ph matter - I mean I know it does in our 
bodies, but does it in CS?  Many thanks...Dee

  
  
  

Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?

[Dee]

That's very interesting Neville and full marks for perseverance!  I've never 
tested for ph - only ppm and my distilled water always reads '0' on that and 
the CS always ends up about 15.  Does ph matter - I mean I know it does in our 
bodies, but does it in CS?  Many thanks...Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 19 Feb 2015, at 01:54, Neville  wrote:
> 
> SOLVED...LOL.  Well I believe I've solved it anyway, and I only solved it 
> this morning Dee.
> 
> Due to recent comments here regarding pH I thought I'd play around and test 
> again with another batch, and within minutes the water turned milky...WHAT 
> THE...???  I knew what was coming next, that dark spot in the centre of the 
> bottom of the vessel the next day.
> 
> I dug deep into my memory bank and remembered I used a pH meter previously, 
> but like an idiot I returned the test sample back into my brew water prior to 
> starting the brew process - BIG mistake seemingly.
> 
> On contemplating events I came to the conclusion pH meters somehow 
> contaminate water.  I dumped that entire batch down the sink, only about 
> 1200ml, cleaned the vessel out with paper towel and started again using DW 
> straight out of the bottle - perfect, clear and as it should be both during 
> and upon cessation of the brew process.
> 
> I did however test the pH of the DW out of the bottle, and of course tipped 
> that sample down the sink rather than returning it to the DW I intended to 
> brew, I also tested pH in a batch of EIS that's been in storage for a while.  
> I did calibrate the El Cheapo EBay pH meter according to instructions 
> initially, and then rinsed it several times with DW hoping everything was 
> 'good to go'.
> 
> Now, I had some samples tested several years ago at an Industrial Complex 
> laboratory, those EIS samples returned readings between 7.4 and 7.8, besides 
> other results I wanted, in a clear, a yellow and an amber or tea coloured 
> solution.
> 
> I had this mornings batch tested, and an older sample, plus the DW I used for 
> this mornings batch.  They used some computer program and ancillary equipment 
> for testing purposes.  I labelled them 'A' and 'B', 'B' being this mornings 
> fresh batch, and just took the bottle of DW to them.
> 
> My DW test out of the bottle with meter for sample 'B', this mornings sample 
> = 6.7   Their test on same DW using their equipment = 6.7, all seems well.
> 
> I didn't test or document pH of DW in sample 'A' which was an old batch of 
> EIS, but their test on that sample returned 6.8
> 
> Sample 'B', this mornings fresh batch returned 7.0, what it will be in a few 
> weeks time I have no idea?
> 
> I realised this morning that the measuring cup, and the syringe, and the 
> little circular thingy they inserted into the machine they used could have 
> had *anything* in them prior to my tests being performed?  I also understood 
> DW would/could vary in quality from batch to batch.  This can/could also 
> affect pH readings.  Unless one is looking over "someones?" shoulder and 
> ensuring everything is as clean and contaminant free as is possible there is 
> not much point in testing for anything, anywhere?  All these facilities and 
> the people working in them have no understanding our product, hence they 
> would not be as pedantic and methodical with things as we would like them to 
> be.
> 
> So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than my 
> own visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on same.  I 
> have not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality of my 
> product.
> 
> I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, "pedantics" of this 
> stuff.  I'm not a happy chappy anyway, I'll just stick to what I've been 
> doing for years and leave the rest of it for someone else.  If it looks like 
> a quality product, behaves like a quality product, remains visually like a 
> quality product and is seemingly as efficacious as a quality product...Then 
> it *IS* a quality product .
> 
> When my better half wins that XLotto I may invest in my own personal 
> laboratory, and get someone who knows how to use it to test stuff for me . 
>  What we would like and what we can get are two entirely different things.
> 
> P.S.  As a general question for anyone else who may wish to contribute an 
> answer...Why do pH meters seemingly contaminate water?
> 
> N.
> 
> Subject: Re: CS>Electrode cleaning?
> From: d...@deetroy.org
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:23:07 +
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> Same here Neville, I just use paper towel and all the grey comes off nicely 
> in second and I always have clear CS every time.  I forgot to ask about your 
> strange phenomena and how it turned out.  So it was never really resolved?  
> Cèst là vie!   Dee
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 18 Feb 2015, at 01:21, Neville  wrote:
> 
> It would
>