CSAC voltage
Has anyone used a low, ie 25 volts, AC power source for a CS generator? Any ideas about posslble success if using? Seems to me it would compare with the swapping DC method. Thanks. Opa Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck Protocol
I store it in plastic bottles with a 1 on the bottom. No problemsDee Sent from my iPad On 3 Mar 2015, at 16:19, ASL raVen aslra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Last year I've tried a zapper but it didn't seem to do anything for me after 3 weeks of using it. I guess it being cheaply priced, it was probably not a real effective little machine as I hoped it'd be. Is Hulda Clark's zappers stronger? What are we supposed to feel with a zapper? Does it alkaline the blood? What does a zapper do exactly? About Green Pastures - I'm allergic to Cod Fish --- would that mean I'd be allergic to Cod fish's oil too? I'm tempted to try it. Truthfully when I ate cod fish in the past, I didn't notice any serious reactions to it. But doctor took a skin allergic test (poking needles and see how much my skin would puff up kind) --- cod fish and halibut fish and apples were the only things that swelled up. But when I ate apple or the fish, I felt fine. What gives? Should I trust these seemingly useless skin prick allergy test? The other foods and environmental things that bothers me immensely did not show up in that test. Last question - with the colloidal silver I made a few weeks ago --- should it be stored in glass bottles only (and tinted?) - there's one plastic bottle that I bought through Amazon of another C.S. brand -- I saved it and reused it to put my home made brew in it. Then I worried about plastic filtering into it. Should I store CS liquid in glass only? RaVen
Re: CSBeck Protocol
Hi Victor, I was actually talking about the fermented cod liver oil from green pasture.com. I myself have the Autozap and Zappicator which I believe is supposedly Hulda Clark.Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Mar 2015, at 13:31, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dee, I have struggled myself with the idea of how to 'easily' get these devices. Dr. Beck was amazing, as he traveled around and showed people how to build these devices very cheaply, and he published all the schematics. However, that is still not practical for most of us. I have the devices from Sota Instruments in Canada, and I am not sure if they ship to the UK. And it is expensive in any case, even without shipping. There are various devices and plans published online, but I'm afraid that my opinion is not worth much concerning those. Others on this list know far more than I do. I have seen the 'Godzilla' zapper mentioned here and elsewhere previously, and of course the Hulda Clark device was just mentioned. But again, I am not sure if these are equivalent to the actual Beck devices. In late 2013 I actually purchased another set of devices from Sota, as they were the only devices that I was confident in. However, that speaks as much to my ignorance as my trust. I simply have not made enough effort to get comfortable with alternatives, and I am too lazy to build my own. The Sota devices have served me well, with my eight year old set still getting regular use, and a new set in NY being used by family members. As Nancy mentioned, the previous blood electrification unit was quite uncomfortable for most people; however, the newer unit is much better, though still cumbersome. I am curious about alternatives, so I will be educating myself further. I imagine that you can get a device for making ozonated water in the UK, and perhaps someone here has a recommendation. The Sota devices are good machines, and I recommend them, but I also appreciate that cost and logistics can be a deal breaker. I hope others have better answers for you. Victor On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Hi Victor do you know if this is available in the UK only I get the feeling the postage will be prohibitive.Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Mar 2015, at 00:31, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RaVen, You are probably right, although I think I resolved all my nutritional deficiencies for the moment. The most potent superfood that I use is a combination of Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO) and high vitamin Butter Oil (BO). The only source I trust for these items is Green Pasture, which brands their products as 'Blue Ice': greenpasture.org They also have a nice combo product called Infused Coconut Oil: http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/InfusedCoconutOil/ If you research, you will notice that trusted distributers around the world are selling these Blue Ice products that are provided by Green Pasture. Dave and Barb Wentzel are supper serious about maintaining the quality and purity of their products. They are heroes in my book. Those are the products that I use when I think I need a 'supplement' for my diet - meaning that I take a small spoonful of the above products two or three of times a day. But I only do that when I think my diet is lacking. I also use their coconut ghee (ghee is basically BO). A similar combination is natto and ghee. These are foods, not supplements, so it can be easier to implement them into your diet (depending on your tastes). There are many different good brands of those products, but you do have to be careful, as there are many bad or fake ghee products these days. Natto is a Japanese food that can be difficult to find (It is fermented soybean). A key point to the above is the nutritional synergy between the products, so they must be taken together to have the maximum impact. For example, cooking natto and eggs in ghee is one way. Taking a spoonful of the Infused Coconut Oil product is another. Another important point is not what we add, but what we remove: No white sugar or white flour if possible. I use Einkorn and Spelt, which I soak and sprout sometimes. Grains block our ability to absorb nutrition, so they must be eliminated or processed properly - fermenting, soaking, souring, sprouting, etc. This is one of the 'secrets' that Weston Price found among all of the 'primitive' people that used grains. OK, so this email is too long. Sorry about that. I will send another about some 'fun' foods that I use to aid my nutrition. Victor On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, ASL raVen aslra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Victor, I wonder if you have vitamin A deficiency? I learned that Vitamin A is related to skin issues and teeth issues. I read that fibromyalgia could stem from an infected root canal and sure enough I had a lot of
Re: CSBeck Protocol
Hi Last year I've tried a zapper but it didn't seem to do anything for me after 3 weeks of using it. I guess it being cheaply priced, it was probably not a real effective little machine as I hoped it'd be. Is Hulda Clark's zappers stronger? What are we supposed to feel with a zapper? Does it alkaline the blood? What does a zapper do exactly? About Green Pastures - I'm allergic to Cod Fish --- would that mean I'd be allergic to Cod fish's oil too? I'm tempted to try it. Truthfully when I ate cod fish in the past, I didn't notice any serious reactions to it. But doctor took a skin allergic test (poking needles and see how much my skin would puff up kind) --- cod fish and halibut fish and apples were the only things that swelled up. But when I ate apple or the fish, I felt fine. What gives? Should I trust these seemingly useless skin prick allergy test? The other foods and environmental things that bothers me immensely did not show up in that test. Last question - with the colloidal silver I made a few weeks ago --- should it be stored in glass bottles only (and tinted?) - there's one plastic bottle that I bought through Amazon of another C.S. brand -- I saved it and reused it to put my home made brew in it. Then I worried about plastic filtering into it. Should I store CS liquid in glass only? RaVen
Re: CSBeck Protocol
Hi Dee, I have struggled myself with the idea of how to 'easily' get these devices. Dr. Beck was amazing, as he traveled around and showed people how to build these devices very cheaply, and he published all the schematics. However, that is still not practical for most of us. I have the devices from Sota Instruments in Canada, and I am not sure if they ship to the UK. And it is expensive in any case, even without shipping. There are various devices and plans published online, but I'm afraid that my opinion is not worth much concerning those. Others on this list know far more than I do. I have seen the 'Godzilla' zapper mentioned here and elsewhere previously, and of course the Hulda Clark device was just mentioned. But again, I am not sure if these are equivalent to the actual Beck devices. In late 2013 I actually purchased another set of devices from Sota, as they were the only devices that I was confident in. However, that speaks as much to my ignorance as my trust. I simply have not made enough effort to get comfortable with alternatives, and I am too lazy to build my own. The Sota devices have served me well, with my eight year old set still getting regular use, and a new set in NY being used by family members. As Nancy mentioned, the previous blood electrification unit was quite uncomfortable for most people; however, the newer unit is much better, though still cumbersome. I am curious about alternatives, so I will be educating myself further. I imagine that you can get a device for making ozonated water in the UK, and perhaps someone here has a recommendation. The Sota devices are good machines, and I recommend them, but I also appreciate that cost and logistics can be a deal breaker. I hope others have better answers for you. Victor On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Hi Victor do you know if this is available in the UK only I get the feeling the postage will be prohibitive.Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Mar 2015, at 00:31, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RaVen, You are probably right, although I think I resolved all my nutritional deficiencies for the moment. The most potent superfood that I use is a combination of Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO) and high vitamin Butter Oil (BO). The only source I trust for these items is Green Pasture, which brands their products as 'Blue Ice': greenpasture.org They also have a nice combo product called Infused Coconut Oil: http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/InfusedCoconutOil/ If you research, you will notice that trusted distributers around the world are selling these Blue Ice products that are provided by Green Pasture. Dave and Barb Wentzel are supper serious about maintaining the quality and purity of their products. They are heroes in my book. Those are the products that I use when I think I need a 'supplement' for my diet - meaning that I take a small spoonful of the above products two or three of times a day. But I only do that when I think my diet is lacking. I also use their coconut ghee (ghee is basically BO). A similar combination is natto and ghee. These are foods, not supplements, so it can be easier to implement them into your diet (depending on your tastes). There are many different good brands of those products, but you do have to be careful, as there are many bad or fake ghee products these days. Natto is a Japanese food that can be difficult to find (It is fermented soybean). A key point to the above is the nutritional synergy between the products, so they must be taken together to have the maximum impact. For example, cooking natto and eggs in ghee is one way. Taking a spoonful of the Infused Coconut Oil product is another. Another important point is not what we add, but what we remove: No white sugar or white flour if possible. I use Einkorn and Spelt, which I soak and sprout sometimes. Grains block our ability to absorb nutrition, so they must be eliminated or processed properly - fermenting, soaking, souring, sprouting, etc. This is one of the 'secrets' that Weston Price found among all of the 'primitive' people that used grains. OK, so this email is too long. Sorry about that. I will send another about some 'fun' foods that I use to aid my nutrition. Victor On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, ASL raVen aslra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Victor, I wonder if you have vitamin A deficiency? I learned that Vitamin A is related to skin issues and teeth issues. I read that fibromyalgia could stem from an infected root canal and sure enough I had a lot of issues with my elbow and shoulder which matched tooth that I had root canal on - I'm going to have it removed someday and see how my health improves after that. (also see how it improves the FMS?) What are the superfoods you mentioned about? RaVen
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 11:13 AM, Reece Maxey wrote: Has anyone used a low, ie 25 volts, AC power source for a CS generator? Any ideas about posslble success if using? Seems to me it would compare with the swapping DC method. Thanks. Opa The experimental circuit, I am working with, has an optional mode that averages almost zero volts (voltage times time, in one direction is almost balanced by voltage times time, in the other direction, about 100 times per second) though the voltages are very unsymmetrical. (low voltage in one direction, for a longer time, followed by higher voltage for a much shorter time, in the other direction). But even this approximation of pure AC really slows the production of silver ions in the water. It takes a week to produce a quart of silver water, instead of a day, when the reverse voltage is blocked. Evidently, if you reverse the voltage faster than the silver can get away from the anode, most of the ions just turn around and go back to where they came from, each cycle. I suspect, if the solution is being well stirred, the reversals could come faster without the production rate going down so severely. But I am guessing. By the way, the mode with rapid reversals does keep the electrodes much cleaner than the unidirectional pulse mode does. So, if I can figure out how to speed it up, its lower electrical efficiency may be worth while. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEC-3
I received my EC-3 conductivity meter last Thursday from Coyote Zenterprizes. I tested some EIS that I made a few months ago with the Colloid Master AC that was set to 12 ppm. The EC-3 measured 32µS. Does that look right? Joe -- Noam Chomsky said, “The general population doesn’t even know what’s happening, and it doesn’t even know that it doesn’t know.” -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck Protocol
Hi RaVen, How about trying kinesiology (muscle testing) or dousing with a pendulum to get the answers to what you are allergic to. It already looks like you aren't allergic to cod and apples, and are allergic to other things. Joe On 2015-03-03 11:19 AM, ASL raVen wrote: Hi Last year I've tried a zapper but it didn't seem to do anything for me after 3 weeks of using it. I guess it being cheaply priced, it was probably not a real effective little machine as I hoped it'd be. Is Hulda Clark's zappers stronger? What are we supposed to feel with a zapper? Does it alkaline the blood? What does a zapper do exactly? About Green Pastures - I'm allergic to Cod Fish --- would that mean I'd be allergic to Cod fish's oil too? I'm tempted to try it. Truthfully when I ate cod fish in the past, I didn't notice any serious reactions to it. But doctor took a skin allergic test (poking needles and see how much my skin would puff up kind) --- cod fish and halibut fish and apples were the only things that swelled up. But when I ate apple or the fish, I felt fine. What gives? Should I trust these seemingly useless skin prick allergy test? The other foods and environmental things that bothers me immensely did not show up in that test. Last question - with the colloidal silver I made a few weeks ago --- should it be stored in glass bottles only (and tinted?) - there's one plastic bottle that I bought through Amazon of another C.S. brand -- I saved it and reused it to put my home made brew in it. Then I worried about plastic filtering into it. Should I store CS liquid in glass only? RaVen -- Noam Chomsky said, “The general population doesn’t even know what’s happening, and it doesn’t even know that it doesn’t know.”
Re: CSBeck
Hi Victor, Radiation is a bitch on DNA and all essential minerals, except boron, which is the only mineral that absorbs radiation without disturbing protons and neutrons in cell nucleus. Boron alone does not become radioactive. If one has adequate boron and iodine levels, the body is not affected. Hillman Health Foods in Hillman, Michigan offers a fine package of organic selenium, iodine, and boron with a couple of vits and Mg mixed in called Grand Unified Mineral Complex. Works great. Fukushima fallout is registering radiation of over 200 cpm on our West Coast. What must radiation be in Japan?
Re: CSAC voltage
Hi John How's about using a lower frequency which will give the ions a chance to escape before they go back to whence they came! Cheers On 3 Mar 2015 17:04, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 11:13 AM, Reece Maxey wrote: Has anyone used a low, ie 25 volts, AC power source for a CS generator? Any ideas about posslble success if using? Seems to me it would compare with the swapping DC method. Thanks. Opa The experimental circuit, I am working with, has an optional mode that averages almost zero volts (voltage times time, in one direction is almost balanced by voltage times time, in the other direction, about 100 times per second) though the voltages are very unsymmetrical. (low voltage in one direction, for a longer time, followed by higher voltage for a much shorter time, in the other direction). But even this approximation of pure AC really slows the production of silver ions in the water. It takes a week to produce a quart of silver water, instead of a day, when the reverse voltage is blocked. Evidently, if you reverse the voltage faster than the silver can get away from the anode, most of the ions just turn around and go back to where they came from, each cycle. I suspect, if the solution is being well stirred, the reversals could come faster without the production rate going down so severely. But I am guessing. By the way, the mode with rapid reversals does keep the electrodes much cleaner than the unidirectional pulse mode does. So, if I can figure out how to speed it up, its lower electrical efficiency may be worth while. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2015 #90
Hi There Uncle Ben - where have you been hiding for this long time, it is great to have you back contributing - I agree with this one totally - it is always good when others have the same mindset as one does - easy communication for sure. Cheers Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 3 Mar 2015, at 13:29, cncsme...@aol.com wrote: The simplest answer to plastic over glass storage containers is to use glass (no worries about using the 'wrong' grade of plastic and very little controversy). I like the Grolsh glass beer bottles. They have a sealed cap that is easy to open and close..and they're dark brown or green if your question is whether clear is okay (yes it is)... Storing in the sunlight does not seem to have a detrimental effect on CS but we ALL have shelving away from the sun so why does it even come up.. Some times I get the feeling that there are those that seem to NEED to be told what to doas if the thought process does not come naturally.. One should always gather as much info as they can and using that, make a decision...and having done THAT learn from the results... We do not learn much from ''blindly following''.. Does ''Jim Jones, Charles Manson'' come to mind? On another topic; I use ''muscle testing'' to aid in my decision as to whether something goes in or on my body...and no, I'm no guru on ''muscle testing''... Check it out if you're interested..then make your own decision.. Uncleben .. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 04:03 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks for the info John. I have more time than money, so if process is slower it wouldn't be a problem. have a small 25 volt adapter so think I will try it with 60 cycle line as source. Somewhere in my cob-webbed memory is something about a multivibrator circuit that would produce positive and negative square waves with with a desired frequency. This was before solid state devices came along, and I can barely turn a TV on nowadays. Would like to hear more about your experimental circuit. Opa It would be pretty simple to build a prototype reverser circuit with an adjustable cycle timer. An all solid state version (no relays) could be made for a few dollars and would run on up to 18 volts, DC. There are little plug boards made, that let you make stuff like this, without soldering. You may email me, if you are interested in trying to build one of these. But I am wondering if a little water pump that jetted water between closely spaced, silver electrodes, (to wash away silver ions in the 120th of a second they were released, each half cycle) might make the simple 60 cycle AC work a lot better than a static solution or even one that is gently stirred. Has anyone tried this? If you go to the archive and look at my early posts, you will find a pretty good description of the circuit concept I am experimenting with. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
Thanks John. What I am able to do is limited for several reasons, one of which is space. I don't have nor can I have a permanent setup. Equipment has to be put on and then removed from kitchen counter. The idea of a no solder application sounds good. Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 3:15 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 04:03 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks for the info John. I have more time than money, so if process is slower it wouldn't be a problem. have a small 25 volt adapter so think I will try it with 60 cycle line as source. Somewhere in my cob-webbed memory is something about a multivibrator circuit that would produce positive and negative square waves with with a desired frequency. This was before solid state devices came along, and I can barely turn a TV on nowadays. Would like to hear more about your experimental circuit. Opa It would be pretty simple to build a prototype reverser circuit with an adjustable cycle timer. An all solid state version (no relays) could be made for a few dollars and would run on up to 18 volts, DC. There are little plug boards made, that let you make stuff like this, without soldering. You may email me, if you are interested in trying to build one of these. But I am wondering if a little water pump that jetted water between closely spaced, silver electrodes, (to wash away silver ions in the 120th of a second they were released, each half cycle) might make the simple 60 cycle AC work a lot better than a static solution or even one that is gently stirred. Has anyone tried this? If you go to the archive and look at my early posts, you will find a pretty good description of the circuit concept I am experimenting with. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEC-3
Joe, Your numbers are about right.
Re: CSAC voltage
Thanks for the info John. I have more time than money, so if process is slower it wouldn't be a problem. I have a small 25 volt adapter so think I will try it with 60 cycle line as source. Somewhere in my cob-webbed memory is something about a multivibrator circuit that would produce positive and negative square waves with with a desired frequency. This was before solid state devices came along, and I can barely turn a TV on nowadays. Would like to hear more about your experimental circuit. Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 11:04 AM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 11:13 AM, Reece Maxey wrote: Has anyone used a low, ie 25 volts, AC power source for a CS generator? Any ideas about posslble success if using? Seems to me it would compare with the swapping DC method. Thanks. Opa The experimental circuit, I am working with, has an optional mode that averages almost zero volts (voltage times time, in one direction is almost balanced by voltage times time, in the other direction, about 100 times per second) though the voltages are very unsymmetrical. (low voltage in one direction, for a longer time, followed by higher voltage for a much shorter time, in the other direction). But even this approximation of pure AC really slows the production of silver ions in the water. It takes a week to produce a quart of silver water, instead of a day, when the reverse voltage is blocked. Evidently, if you reverse the voltage faster than the silver can get away from the anode, most of the ions just turn around and go back to where they came from, each cycle. I suspect, if the solution is being well stirred, the reversals could come faster without the production rate going down so severely. But I am guessing. By the way, the mode with rapid reversals does keep the electrodes much cleaner than the unidirectional pulse mode does. So, if I can figure out how to speed it up, its lower electrical efficiency may be worth while. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Unsubscribe please. Thanks From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2015 5:11 a.m. To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2015 #90
Re: CSBeck Protocol
Hi Victor - now I know where you live, and your email was not too long because it contained so much information you have experienced which for me is very very useful so thanks and keep them coming I love to hear what others are doing Cheers Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 2 Mar 2015, at 20:31, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RaVen, You are probably right, although I think I resolved all my nutritional deficiencies for the moment. The most potent superfood that I use is a combination of Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO) and high vitamin Butter Oil (BO). The only source I trust for these items is Green Pasture, which brands their products as 'Blue Ice': greenpasture.org They also have a nice combo product called Infused Coconut Oil: http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/InfusedCoconutOil/ If you research, you will notice that trusted distributers around the world are selling these Blue Ice products that are provided by Green Pasture. Dave and Barb Wentzel are supper serious about maintaining the quality and purity of their products. They are heroes in my book. Those are the products that I use when I think I need a 'supplement' for my diet - meaning that I take a small spoonful of the above products two or three of times a day. But I only do that when I think my diet is lacking. I also use their coconut ghee (ghee is basically BO). A similar combination is natto and ghee. These are foods, not supplements, so it can be easier to implement them into your diet (depending on your tastes). There are many different good brands of those products, but you do have to be careful, as there are many bad or fake ghee products these days. Natto is a Japanese food that can be difficult to find (It is fermented soybean). A key point to the above is the nutritional synergy between the products, so they must be taken together to have the maximum impact. For example, cooking natto and eggs in ghee is one way. Taking a spoonful of the Infused Coconut Oil product is another. Another important point is not what we add, but what we remove: No white sugar or white flour if possible. I use Einkorn and Spelt, which I soak and sprout sometimes. Grains block our ability to absorb nutrition, so they must be eliminated or processed properly - fermenting, soaking, souring, sprouting, etc. This is one of the 'secrets' that Weston Price found among all of the 'primitive' people that used grains. OK, so this email is too long. Sorry about that. I will send another about some 'fun' foods that I use to aid my nutrition. Victor On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, ASL raVen aslra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Victor, I wonder if you have vitamin A deficiency? I learned that Vitamin A is related to skin issues and teeth issues. I read that fibromyalgia could stem from an infected root canal and sure enough I had a lot of issues with my elbow and shoulder which matched tooth that I had root canal on - I'm going to have it removed someday and see how my health improves after that. (also see how it improves the FMS?) What are the superfoods you mentioned about? RaVen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
I'm interested! Can DC adapter be used in lieu of battery?Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 4:50 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 04:38 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks John. What I am able to do is limited for several reasons, one of which is space. I don't have nor can I have a permanent setup. Equipment has to be put on and then removed from kitchen counter. The idea of a no solder application sounds good. Opa I'm talking about a circuit about the size of a box of wooden matches, plus one or two nine volt batteries. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 07:42 PM, M.G. Devour wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see Ken (Ode) chime in on this thread soon. He's done a lot of testing and if I remember the general results, if you speed up the polarity switching beyond every 30 seconds or so you start to really slow down production. Stirring is a big plus, which is why his and some other units feature it. There's a computer program called Fritzing that lets you mock up circuits on the image of a solderless breadboard... a very elaborate pictorial diagram generator. I'm thinking it would be a nifty way for you to communicate building instructions to Reece, John. Sadly it's not a circuit emulator, but it auto-generates schematics from the breadboard diagram and will even facilitate producing PC boards to implement the designs you create. Amazing things available these days! Be well, Mike D. Have you got a link to Fritzing? There is a very good and free circuit simulator, called LTspice IV. http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/ I can also use it to produce a schematic. And anyone can use it, if I provide the circuit file, to see how my circuit works and play with modifications, if they wish. There is also a very well run Yahoo Groups user's group that helps people learn how to use this program. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/LTspice/info -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck Protocol
Hi Dee, you can get a good selection of Green pastures cod liver oils from funkyraw.com. here in the UK. They're a good firm to deal with. Ive used them a lot. Their prices and postage are the most reasonable I've found. Cheers Kirsteen On 3 Mar 2015 08:52, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Hi Victor do you know if this is available in the UK only I get the feeling the postage will be prohibitive.Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Mar 2015, at 00:31, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RaVen, You are probably right, although I think I resolved all my nutritional deficiencies for the moment. The most potent superfood that I use is a combination of Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO) and high vitamin Butter Oil (BO). The only source I trust for these items is Green Pasture, which brands their products as 'Blue Ice': greenpasture.org They also have a nice combo product called Infused Coconut Oil: http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/InfusedCoconutOil/ If you research, you will notice that trusted distributers around the world are selling these Blue Ice products that are provided by Green Pasture. Dave and Barb Wentzel are supper serious about maintaining the quality and purity of their products. They are heroes in my book. Those are the products that I use when I think I need a 'supplement' for my diet - meaning that I take a small spoonful of the above products two or three of times a day. But I only do that when I think my diet is lacking. I also use their coconut ghee (ghee is basically BO). A similar combination is natto and ghee. These are foods, not supplements, so it can be easier to implement them into your diet (depending on your tastes). There are many different good brands of those products, but you do have to be careful, as there are many bad or fake ghee products these days. Natto is a Japanese food that can be difficult to find (It is fermented soybean). A key point to the above is the nutritional synergy between the products, so they must be taken together to have the maximum impact. For example, cooking natto and eggs in ghee is one way. Taking a spoonful of the Infused Coconut Oil product is another. Another important point is not what we add, but what we remove: No white sugar or white flour if possible. I use Einkorn and Spelt, which I soak and sprout sometimes. Grains block our ability to absorb nutrition, so they must be eliminated or processed properly - fermenting, soaking, souring, sprouting, etc. This is one of the 'secrets' that Weston Price found among all of the 'primitive' people that used grains. OK, so this email is too long. Sorry about that. I will send another about some 'fun' foods that I use to aid my nutrition. Victor On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, ASL raVen aslra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Victor, I wonder if you have vitamin A deficiency? I learned that Vitamin A is related to skin issues and teeth issues. I read that fibromyalgia could stem from an infected root canal and sure enough I had a lot of issues with my elbow and shoulder which matched tooth that I had root canal on - I'm going to have it removed someday and see how my health improves after that. (also see how it improves the FMS?) What are the superfoods you mentioned about? RaVen
Re: CSAC voltage
I have 12, 19 and 24 volt adapters; bearing in mind this is not laboratory grade equipment. There will be variations depending on input voltage. I do have a TDS meter and a reasonably good Fluke digital VOM meter. Can you provide source for components for this project? Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 5:15 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 06:04 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I'm interested! Can DC adapter be used in lieu of battery?Opa Yes. Anything that puts out a DC voltage between 3 and 18 volts should work with the components I have in mind. Perhaps you could do the experiments that determine how fast the polarity can be reversed before it really starts to slow silver ion production. Do you have one of those little pocket conductivity or concentration meters to measure the progress of the solution? That would allow you to time various reversal settings to reach the same result. I expect that once the reversal time exceeds some limit, progress is pretty unaffected by making the reversal time much longer. But keeping the reversal time short improves the cleanliness and life of the electrodes. So knowing what that critical reversal time is, is a useful thing to know. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 06:41 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I have 12, 19 and 24 volt adapters; bearing in mind this is not laboratory grade equipment. There will be variations depending on input voltage. I do have a TDS meter and a reasonably good Fluke digital VOM meter. Can you provide source for components for this project? Opa The 12 volt supply should work just fine. And your test equipment is all you need. I'm designing, in my head, at the moment, but I think I can give you a parts list and schematic by tomorrow. Come to think about it, it may just be easier for me to build you something and send it. I'm talking about two chips (a timer to set the reversal time, with an adjustable time and a dual flip flop to supply the outputs) and a few other parts. If I solder it all together, there is a lot less chance something will come unplugged leaving you with repairs to make. If you have useful results, then could come up with the details so that anyone could build one. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 06:04 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I'm interested! Can DC adapter be used in lieu of battery?Opa Yes. Anything that puts out a DC voltage between 3 and 18 volts should work with the components I have in mind. Perhaps you could do the experiments that determine how fast the polarity can be reversed before it really starts to slow silver ion production. Do you have one of those little pocket conductivity or concentration meters to measure the progress of the solution? That would allow you to time various reversal settings to reach the same result. I expect that once the reversal time exceeds some limit, progress is pretty unaffected by making the reversal time much longer. But keeping the reversal time short improves the cleanliness and life of the electrodes. So knowing what that critical reversal time is, is a useful thing to know. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck
Thanks Phil. I had actually been interested in selenium too, so I will take a look at that. In all honesty, with the way the winds blow, I worry more about all the pollution from China than I do about Fukushima. Tokyo has mostly clear blue skies, but I have seen them turn yellow during smog alerts. Thankfully, it is a very rare occurrence. Radiation and other contaminants are definitely an ever increasing problem that we must consider when managing our health. I'll be getting more familiar with boron. It actually brings back a bit of nostalgia for me, as I worked in a semiconductor lab years ago, where we used boron and phosphorous for doping the silicon :-) It is probably why I had an aversion to considering it for health purposes lol Victor On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Phil Morrison philmorrison...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Victor, Radiation is a bitch on DNA and all essential minerals, except boron, which is the only mineral that absorbs radiation without disturbing protons and neutrons in cell nucleus. Boron alone does not become radioactive. If one has adequate boron and iodine levels, the body is not affected. Hillman Health Foods in Hillman, Michigan offers a fine package of organic selenium, iodine, and boron with a couple of vits and Mg mixed in called Grand Unified Mineral Complex. Works great. Fukushima fallout is registering radiation of over 200 cpm on our West Coast. What must radiation be in Japan?
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 05:16 PM, asif nathekar wrote: Hi John How's about using a lower frequency which will give the ions a chance to escape before they go back to whence they came! Cheers There has to be some reversal frequency that is low enough that the process is essentially DC and reaches equilibrium, during each half cycle. But I don't yet know how low that frequency has to be. I suspect it is dependent on both applied voltage and electrode spacing (electric field across the solution). Unfortunately, my circuit must have no pause between the charge part of the cycle (in one direction) and the discharge pulse, in the other direction, though there can be an arbitrary pause before that cycle repeats. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 07:32 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Do you work cheap?-:) My first attempt for emoticon. Give me what kind of cost if you build. As I indicated before, soldering is beyond me now. Sort of painful to say that because I completed High Reliability soldering class at Naval Weapons Center in China Lake California back in early '80s. Hands shake now. Opa I would be willing to trade my time and parts for your test results. I want to be able to graph the total production time, to a given conductivity, under a given set of operating conditions, versus reversal time. I have seen theoretical estimates, but no actual test data. A further thought on the reversal process: I am assuming that the last ions produced before a reversal are the ones most likely to get sucked back to the electrode, after the reversal. So it might be less wasteful to just pause the voltage between reversals, to let the ions diffuse away from the (last) anode. The components I am thinking of, could easily break each cycle into 4 equal phases. Forward voltage, pause, reverse voltage and pause. I doubt this will do anything to speed up the overall process, (and will, in fact, slow it a little) but would possibly keep the electrodes even cleaner, while improving the electrical efficiency a bit, which is not a very important factor, unless you are buying 9 volt batteries to run it. May be I can add a switch to choose 2 phase or 4 phase cycles. (mumbling and scratching head) -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSunsubscribe please. Thanks
On 03/03/2015 04:15 PM, Walkers wrote: Unsubscribe please. Thanks *From:*silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 March 2015 5:11 a.m. *To:* silver-dig...@eskimo.com *Subject:* silver-digest Digest V2015 #90 It won't work unless the subject is just the word, unsubscribe, and the body is completely blank. The server has no respect for your good manners. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 04:38 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks John. What I am able to do is limited for several reasons, one of which is space. I don't have nor can I have a permanent setup. Equipment has to be put on and then removed from kitchen counter. The idea of a no solder application sounds good. Opa I'm talking about a circuit about the size of a box of wooden matches, plus one or two nine volt batteries. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck Protocol
Sorry Dee lol Yes, you can get the Green Pasture products from many distributors in the UK. The best way to find them is to search for 'Blue Ice Code Liver Oil UK' or similar with 'Blue Ice' in it. You will see many vendors. Or you can go straight to Amazon.co.uk and do the same search. You will see many products. These products have quite a foul taste for most people, which is why capsule options are popular. However, the oils are much more cost effective. It is helpful to read all the information on the Green Pasture website to get a good idea about what to expect. Victor On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Hi Victor, I was actually talking about the fermented cod liver oil from green pasture.com. I myself have the Autozap and Zappicator which I believe is supposedly Hulda Clark.Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Mar 2015, at 13:31, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dee, I have struggled myself with the idea of how to 'easily' get these devices. Dr. Beck was amazing, as he traveled around and showed people how to build these devices very cheaply, and he published all the schematics. However, that is still not practical for most of us. I have the devices from Sota Instruments in Canada, and I am not sure if they ship to the UK. And it is expensive in any case, even without shipping. There are various devices and plans published online, but I'm afraid that my opinion is not worth much concerning those. Others on this list know far more than I do. I have seen the 'Godzilla' zapper mentioned here and elsewhere previously, and of course the Hulda Clark device was just mentioned. But again, I am not sure if these are equivalent to the actual Beck devices. In late 2013 I actually purchased another set of devices from Sota, as they were the only devices that I was confident in. However, that speaks as much to my ignorance as my trust. I simply have not made enough effort to get comfortable with alternatives, and I am too lazy to build my own. The Sota devices have served me well, with my eight year old set still getting regular use, and a new set in NY being used by family members. As Nancy mentioned, the previous blood electrification unit was quite uncomfortable for most people; however, the newer unit is much better, though still cumbersome. I am curious about alternatives, so I will be educating myself further. I imagine that you can get a device for making ozonated water in the UK, and perhaps someone here has a recommendation. The Sota devices are good machines, and I recommend them, but I also appreciate that cost and logistics can be a deal breaker. I hope others have better answers for you. Victor On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Hi Victor do you know if this is available in the UK only I get the feeling the postage will be prohibitive.Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Mar 2015, at 00:31, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RaVen, You are probably right, although I think I resolved all my nutritional deficiencies for the moment. The most potent superfood that I use is a combination of Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO) and high vitamin Butter Oil (BO). The only source I trust for these items is Green Pasture, which brands their products as 'Blue Ice': greenpasture.org They also have a nice combo product called Infused Coconut Oil: http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/InfusedCoconutOil/ If you research, you will notice that trusted distributers around the world are selling these Blue Ice products that are provided by Green Pasture. Dave and Barb Wentzel are supper serious about maintaining the quality and purity of their products. They are heroes in my book. Those are the products that I use when I think I need a 'supplement' for my diet - meaning that I take a small spoonful of the above products two or three of times a day. But I only do that when I think my diet is lacking. I also use their coconut ghee (ghee is basically BO). A similar combination is natto and ghee. These are foods, not supplements, so it can be easier to implement them into your diet (depending on your tastes). There are many different good brands of those products, but you do have to be careful, as there are many bad or fake ghee products these days. Natto is a Japanese food that can be difficult to find (It is fermented soybean). A key point to the above is the nutritional synergy between the products, so they must be taken together to have the maximum impact. For example, cooking natto and eggs in ghee is one way. Taking a spoonful of the Infused Coconut Oil product is another. Another important point is not what we add, but what we remove: No white sugar or white flour if possible. I use Einkorn and Spelt, which I soak and sprout sometimes. Grains block our ability to absorb nutrition, so they must be eliminated or processed properly - fermenting,
Re: CSAC voltage
Do you work cheap?-:) My first attempt for emoticon. Give me what kind of cost if you build. As I indicated before, soldering is beyond me now. Sort of painful to say that because I completed High Reliability soldering class at Naval Weapons Center in China Lake California back in early '80s. Hands shake now. Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:07 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 06:41 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I have 12, 19 and 24 volt adapters; bearing in mind this is not laboratory grade equipment. There will be variations depending on input voltage. I do have a TDS meter and a reasonably good Fluke digital VOM meter. Can you provide source for components for this project? Opa The 12 volt supply should work just fine. And your test equipment is all you need. I'm designing, in my head, at the moment, but I think I can give you a parts list and schematic by tomorrow. Come to think about it, it may just be easier for me to build you something and send it. I'm talking about two chips (a timer to set the reversal time, with an adjustable time and a dual flip flop to supply the outputs) and a few other parts. If I solder it all together, there is a lot less chance something will come unplugged leaving you with repairs to make. If you have useful results, then could come up with the details so that anyone could build one. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
I wouldn't be surprised to see Ken (Ode) chime in on this thread soon. He's done a lot of testing and if I remember the general results, if you speed up the polarity switching beyond every 30 seconds or so you start to really slow down production. Stirring is a big plus, which is why his and some other units feature it. There's a computer program called Fritzing that lets you mock up circuits on the image of a solderless breadboard... a very elaborate pictorial diagram generator. I'm thinking it would be a nifty way for you to communicate building instructions to Reece, John. Sadly it's not a circuit emulator, but it auto-generates schematics from the breadboard diagram and will even facilitate producing PC boards to implement the designs you create. Amazing things available these days! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
On 03/03/2015 09:26 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Give me an idea how you would want data compiled, increment size, procedure to be followed etc and for how long. A conductivity probe/tester that could be immersed in the water and used during process would be nice. I tried using my Fluke meter in series with anode in one of my first attempts to make CS; it didn't want work for some reason. Might have something like an AC component in it since I was using DC adapter. Opa I don't really know what range of reversal time is near the critical time constant for the process, so your experience would be the guide to what times look interesting. Assuming the reversals are slow enough to time by eye (with an LED indicator, from something like a couple cycles per second to say, 10 or 20 seconds per cycle), a conductivity check about once an hour might be good enough to compare production times. Record test value and time. I worry that the conductivity probe may give wrong results if used while the cell current is flowing, or even be damaged. You should probably turn the supply off for each test. Of course, similar volumes of similar water would be needed for each test. I am looking for the rate of ion production in micro Siemens per hour increase or TDS count increase per hour, early in the process, rather that trying to time some specific, final value of conductivity. This is why recording test time is important. Conductivity change, divided by time since previous test is the important number. I think roughly doubling the cycle time for successive tests would get us a pretty good idea where the critical time constant is. i.e. 4 cycles per second, 2 cycles per second, 1 second per cycle, 2 seconds per cycle, 4 seconds per cycle, 8 seconds per cycle. or something like that. Connecting those points on a curve should estimate the in between values. I expect the production speed to almost double as the cycle time doubles, at the fast end, until you approach the critical time constant. Then the production rate should flatten out, approximating the DC rate. I want to know where the corner is, where faster cycles really hurt production, but slower only degrades the electrodes the way DC does. But I am guessing. There may be surprises. I've been wrong lots of times. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeck
I use Boron (Borax) for arthritis. I find it quite effective. Recently, within the last month, I had a friend who is 66 yrs old who said his hand were so arthritic that he was having real problems doing his normal work. I recommended that he try the Borax. After 2 weeks he told me that his hands were 75% better. I think they will continue to get better over time with some Borax supplementation. Dan On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Phil, I have never used boron, but I would be curious to hear other's experiences. We add a little bentonite clay to our bread sometimes, or other dishes. We are slowly making it a more consistent part of our diet. We also just drink a glass of water with clay mixed in for a week at a time every now and then. From what I've read, clay is pretty good at detoxing radiation, among other things. I live in Tokyo, but I probably get more radiation from my trips to NY ;-) Victor Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Phil Morrison philmorrison...@gmail.com wrote: Victor ... Do you use Boron supplements much living in Japan? The Russians used lots of Boron in dealing with Chernobyl. Like you, I find parts of Beck Protocol very useful.
RE: CSAC voltage
If you're talking about AC converting to DC then I use 24vDC, but voltage in water at start is from memory 25 volts or a tad higher. What I'm suggesting is, don't rely on a 24vdc source being 24v when electrodes are submerged, the voltage may be a tad higher than that. Check voltage when electrodes are submerged at the beginning and see what you get. N. From: ozarko...@att.net Subject: Re: CSAC voltage Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 17:41:20 -0600 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I have 12, 19 and 24 volt adapters; bearing in mind this is not laboratory grade equipment. There will be variations depending on input voltage. I do have a TDS meter and a reasonably good Fluke digital VOM meter. Can you provide source for components for this project? Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 5:15 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 06:04 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I'm interested! Can DC adapter be used in lieu of battery?Opa Yes. Anything that puts out a DC voltage between 3 and 18 volts should work with the components I have in mind. Perhaps you could do the experiments that determine how fast the polarity can be reversed before it really starts to slow silver ion production. Do you have one of those little pocket conductivity or concentration meters to measure the progress of the solution? That would allow you to time various reversal settings to reach the same result. I expect that once the reversal time exceeds some limit, progress is pretty unaffected by making the reversal time much longer. But keeping the reversal time short improves the cleanliness and life of the electrodes. So knowing what that critical reversal time is, is a useful thing to know. -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
Give me an idea how you would want data compiled, increment size, procedure to be followed etc and for how long. A conductivity probe/tester that could be immersed in the water and used during process would be nice. I tried using my Fluke meter in series with anode in one of my first attempts to make CS; it didn't want work for some reason. Might have something like an AC component in it since I was using DC adapter. Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:35 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 07:32 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Do you work cheap?-:) My first attempt for emoticon. Give me what kind of cost if you build. As I indicated before, soldering is beyond me now. Sort of painful to say that because I completed High Reliability soldering class at Naval Weapons Center in China Lake California back in early '80s. Hands shake now. Opa I would be willing to trade my time and parts for your test results. I want to be able to graph the total production time, to a given conductivity, under a given set of operating conditions, versus reversal time. I have seen theoretical estimates, but no actual test data. A further thought on the reversal process: I am assuming that the last ions produced before a reversal are the ones most likely to get sucked back to the electrode, after the reversal. So it might be less wasteful to just pause the voltage between reversals, to let the ions diffuse away from the (last) anode. The components I am thinking of, could easily break each cycle into 4 equal phases. Forward voltage, pause, reverse voltage and pause. I doubt this will do anything to speed up the overall process, (and will, in fact, slow it a little) but would possibly keep the electrodes even cleaner, while improving the electrical efficiency a bit, which is not a very important factor, unless you are buying 9 volt batteries to run it. May be I can add a switch to choose 2 phase or 4 phase cycles. (mumbling and scratching head) -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUsing CS While Sprouting Grains
Great question Dave. I have been wanting to ask that myself. I do use some CS for sprouting, but I am not confident yet. I only use einkorn and spelt, and will probably try some rye this year. I started spraying a little CS after the first or second day. I soak first for 8 - 12 hours in filtered water with a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar or lemon juice (per cup). No CS when soaking. Sometimes I only sprout (because I want to soak the flour with other grains or flour in different recipes). And sometimes I do nothing because I am feeling lazy ;-) In both cases I have only used a little CS sprayed on, or during a rinse. I am able to get them to sprout, but I don't go far, so I am not sure if the CS has retarded the process at all. I stop when I see a bud, but I think most people go further. I will test another cup of spelt this week and let you know. I'll be more aggressive with the CS and the sprouting. Although I don't see any reason to add CS during the first day, right? Victor Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone used CS added to the water to prevent spoilage when sprouting grains? I used CS in the water when trying to root some plants that normally root in water, but they never developed roots. They apparently didn't realize that they were cut, or needed some bacteria to start the process. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAC voltage
At this point I have done no stirring. Still trying to improve electrical connection method and a thermal stirring system with items found in average home. No candles! Thanks John , and also your input Mike. Bedtime for us old folks. Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:41 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 07:42 PM, M.G. Devour wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see Ken (Ode) chime in on this thread soon. He's done a lot of testing and if I remember the general results, if you speed up the polarity switching beyond every 30 seconds or so you start to really slow down production. Stirring is a big plus, which is why his and some other units feature it. There's a computer program called Fritzing that lets you mock up circuits on the image of a solderless breadboard... a very elaborate pictorial diagram generator. I'm thinking it would be a nifty way for you to communicate building instructions to Reece, John. Sadly it's not a circuit emulator, but it auto-generates schematics from the breadboard diagram and will even facilitate producing PC boards to implement the designs you create. Amazing things available these days! Be well, Mike D. Have you got a link to Fritzing? There is a very good and free circuit simulator, called LTspice IV. http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/ I can also use it to produce a schematic. And anyone can use it, if I provide the circuit file, to see how my circuit works and play with modifications, if they wish. There is also a very well run Yahoo Groups user's group that helps people learn how to use this program. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/LTspice/info -- Regards, John Popelish -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSUsing CS While Sprouting Grains
Has anyone used CS added to the water to prevent spoilage when sprouting grains? I used CS in the water when trying to root some plants that normally root in water, but they never developed roots. They apparently didn't realize that they were cut, or needed some bacteria to start the process.
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The simplest answer to plastic over glass storage containers is to use glass (no worries about using the 'wrong' grade of plastic and very little controversy). I like the Grolsh glass beer bottles. They have a sealed cap that is easy to open and close..and they're dark brown or green if your question is whether clear is okay (yes it is)... Storing in the sunlight does not seem to have a detrimental effect on CS but we ALL have shelving away from the sun so why does it even come up.. Some times I get the feeling that there are those that seem to NEED to be told what to doas if the thought process does not come naturally.. One should always gather as much info as they can and using that, make a decision...and having done THAT learn from the results... We do not learn much from ''blindly following''.. Does ''Jim Jones, Charles Manson'' come to mind? On another topic; I use ''muscle testing'' to aid in my decision as to whether something goes in or on my body...and no, I'm no guru on ''muscle testing''... Check it out if you're interested..then make your own decision.. Uncleben ..
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Re: CSBeck Protocol
Hi Victor do you know if this is available in the UK only I get the feeling the postage will be prohibitive.Dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Mar 2015, at 00:31, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi RaVen, You are probably right, although I think I resolved all my nutritional deficiencies for the moment. The most potent superfood that I use is a combination of Fermented Cod Liver Oil (FCLO) and high vitamin Butter Oil (BO). The only source I trust for these items is Green Pasture, which brands their products as 'Blue Ice': greenpasture.org They also have a nice combo product called Infused Coconut Oil: http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/InfusedCoconutOil/ If you research, you will notice that trusted distributers around the world are selling these Blue Ice products that are provided by Green Pasture. Dave and Barb Wentzel are supper serious about maintaining the quality and purity of their products. They are heroes in my book. Those are the products that I use when I think I need a 'supplement' for my diet - meaning that I take a small spoonful of the above products two or three of times a day. But I only do that when I think my diet is lacking. I also use their coconut ghee (ghee is basically BO). A similar combination is natto and ghee. These are foods, not supplements, so it can be easier to implement them into your diet (depending on your tastes). There are many different good brands of those products, but you do have to be careful, as there are many bad or fake ghee products these days. Natto is a Japanese food that can be difficult to find (It is fermented soybean). A key point to the above is the nutritional synergy between the products, so they must be taken together to have the maximum impact. For example, cooking natto and eggs in ghee is one way. Taking a spoonful of the Infused Coconut Oil product is another. Another important point is not what we add, but what we remove: No white sugar or white flour if possible. I use Einkorn and Spelt, which I soak and sprout sometimes. Grains block our ability to absorb nutrition, so they must be eliminated or processed properly - fermenting, soaking, souring, sprouting, etc. This is one of the 'secrets' that Weston Price found among all of the 'primitive' people that used grains. OK, so this email is too long. Sorry about that. I will send another about some 'fun' foods that I use to aid my nutrition. Victor On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:48 AM, ASL raVen aslra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Victor, I wonder if you have vitamin A deficiency? I learned that Vitamin A is related to skin issues and teeth issues. I read that fibromyalgia could stem from an infected root canal and sure enough I had a lot of issues with my elbow and shoulder which matched tooth that I had root canal on - I'm going to have it removed someday and see how my health improves after that. (also see how it improves the FMS?) What are the superfoods you mentioned about? RaVen
