CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2014 #93
Hi AJ, I take 2 fl oz of CS, then take just a dap of powder. I stick my index finger in a jar of cayenne, and just the specks that stick to my finger are enough. I put those in the CS, then shake it up for a minute, then strain out the specks through a funnel covered with a paper towel soaked in CS. Finished. No actual brewing needed. This came out just about right for me. Adjust accordingly depending on how much burning is comfortable to you in the nostrils. Measurements of cayenne are as small as being on the scale of finger dabs. David
CSCayenne and silver nasal spray argyria risk?
I made myself a cayenne nasal spray that seems to finally be something that works to open up my nostrils before bed. I made it in CS to help keep it sterile. But now I am wondering if the silver may react with the cayenne in such a way that snorting the silver may be a long turn argyria risk? Any ideas? Thanks, David
CSDissolving pure silver in citric acid?
What would happen if I drop a pure silver coin into a saturated solution of citric acid? Would it by any chance dissolve over time? It occurred to me that the cost of silver needed to maintain a pool with silver citrate (should by experiments succeed) would be much cheaper if the source of silver could be coins rather than silver oxide powder. Any ideas? Otherwise, I figured electrolysis in saturated citric acid would cause silver citrate to go until saturation and then precipitate powder, an the powder can be dried, weighed, and saved. And the silver in solution can be calculated as: [(initial weight of electrodes - final weight of electrodes) - (silver in the precipitate)]. The electrodes could just be run until they are almost totally eaten. Today I've increased my bucket experiments from 10ppb, 30ppb, and 70ppb to become 100ppb, 200ppb, and 500ppb respectively. David
CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
CSsilver test strips from 2ppm to 50ppm:
http://www.silverprofit.com/Catalog%202004/SilverEstimatingTest/ Apparently such strips are available. If they are cheap and accurate, this may be another option besides conductivity meters. I was looking into this for possible application with silver in a swimming pool, but no one seems to sell strips below 50ppb, which is the range most relevant to swimming pools. After reading all I can, I am setting up some buckets with a variety of experiments to see if silver citrate by itself, or in combination with peroxide can effectively maintain our swimming pool. At the moment, I am optimistic that it can, and it would only cost a few bucks per month. Will know more in month. David
CSNebulized colloidal iron study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7854018 This animal study suggests that nebulized iron colloids can reach (or possibly even accumulate to some extent) in certain lymph nodes in the lungs (mediastinal and hilar). This suggests (at least to me) that cancer in these specific lung lymph nodes is a possible indication for nebulized ionic silver and/or nebulized ultrafine colloidal silver and/or any anticancer agent that can be safely nebulized. We know that silver ions are quickly cleared from the lungs in animals, but only silver colloids less than a modal diameter of 15nm are cleared from the lungs. David
CSACS200 and Steriplex MSDS
I found hints to the ingredients in ACS 200, which Frank tested to be 60PPM and 81% ionic: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/ACS200/ACS200.html ACS 200 appears to be also sold as a sterilent: http://www.resultsrna.com/products/steriplex_health_care_now_epa_approved.php#.UPDE8azUkl8 And here is an MSDS for the sterilent called Steriplex: http://www.steriplex.com/products/steriplex_hc_msds.php#.UPDE0KzUkl8 It contains an ingredient list. Whether or not the formulas are exactly identical I don't know. If anyone cares to discourse then on what ACS 200 actually might be, I would appreciate the thoughts. David
CSDr. Bjorn Nordstrom and Cancer
I just ran across this claim that I had never heard: Dr. Bjorn Nordstrom, of the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, has used silver in his cancer cure method for many years. He says the whole thing is very simple. This brought rapid remission in patients given up by other doctors. Anyone know anything about this? I am extremely interested in references that support the use of silver with cancer. David
CSRe: SilverCillin (Attn David AuBuchon)
Hi Alex, In that thread, go down and find a link to this patent: http://www.google.com/patents/US7135195 Then on the left side of the screen, click on the thumbnail image of the actual paper. That opens up the entire patent and you can read it. In it, they mention peroxide, alternating high voltage, and 97% particles. In their own words: We disclose a colorless composition comprising silver particles and water, wherein said particles comprise an interior of elemental silver and an exterior of ionic silver oxide, wherein the silver particles are present in the water at a level of about 5–40 ppm... David From: Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com To: David AuBuchon davidra...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: SilverCillin (Attn David AuBuchon) Hello David, This is a followup of your post you did earlier this year on SilverCillin http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg144470.html You say that ABL is making CS via the HVAC process , probably using Petroxide and giving 97% particles.. Can you please state exactly where you saw this? As far as I understand ABL is making silver tetroxide Ag4O4 (Source: http://amsilver.com/ablDifference1.html) , which is not mainly particles, the ONLY product I know that is aimed to be 97-99% only particles is Meso Silver which they clearly state in their site. (Source: http://www.purestcolloids.com/ionic.htm ) Can you please confirm if my statements are correct, or if I missed something ? Thanks, Alex
Re: CSRain-tree.com goodbye letter
I don't understand why the FDA says they can't import herbs from the Amazon?
David
From: zzekel...@aol.com zzekel...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: CSRain-tree.com goodbye letter
No need to apologies Lola, I think all of us in the U.S.
{except big pharma the politicians } feel the same way
!!!Lois
In a message dated 11/28/2012 12:39:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
phoenix23...@tds.net writes:
Sad doesn't begin to describe this situation. It is an outrage. Raintree
Nutrition is a highly reputable company delivering pure, sustainable
products. This country has the boot of the federal bureaucrats on it's neck
and I am not sure we will survive them. 'Their' goal is to keep us sick.
If our government was a mental patient, the diagnosis would be 'split
personality disorder'.
Our first lady touts fresh, wholesome foods,
approves of regulations determining school lunches while the FDA allows
GMO foods, aspertame, flouride and pulls stunts like this,
also locking up farmers out in Calif who are trying to make available organic
products for the public. Oh.. let's not forget NYC legislating the size
of soft drinks. Whew.. don't know what came over me.. but excuse the
rant. lol... Lola H.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:
CSClinical research, DSHEA, and marketing of CS
I took a look at the FTCs discussion of DSHEA: http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus09-dietary-supplements-advertising-guide-industry As I understand it, as long as colloidal silver discussion is very detailed, accurate, and discussed in adequate context, we can say everything we need to while still following the letter of the law. The document says: The FDA has primary responsibility for claims on product labeling, including packaging, inserts, and other promotional materials distributed at the point of sale. and it says: The FTC has primary responsibility for claims in advertising, including print and broadcast ads, infomercials, catalogs, and similar direct marketing materials. Marketing on the Internet is subject to regulation in the same fashion as promotions through any other media. What I get from this document as a whole is that the following approach might satisfy everyone: 1. Don't include any package inserts or make claims on labels or packaging. This in theory satisfies the FDA part of the picture. 2. Have all the marketing material you want on the website where product it sold - such as quotations from physicians, informal clinical studies, testimonials, etc, as long as you discuss it in a thorough enough context. Help consumers understand the problems with interpreting information, and how this or that is not undeniable proof of anything, but just information to be subjectively assessed while keeping XYZ in mind. I for one cannot really say that I have seen any vendor truly make a thorough enough attempt to adequately contextualize what can be be construed as medical claims by the FTC or the FDA. The way those FTC guidelines on DSHEA are written, it seems to me that as long as you put the necessary context, disclosures, disclaimers, or other balancing information, one could follow the letter of the law while still getting all the information across that you want to. I wonder if there really may exist a happy medium that frankly everyone has so far been missing? Though I guess that in the end, if the FDA wants to send you a letter, they will do so even if you follow the letter of the law... Part of the reason I am thinking more and more about these issues is that I am seriously starting to consider getting a certificate as a clinical research associate and just rolling up my sleeves and doing whatever it then takes to do clinical research on a number of things, starting with CS. To do clinical research that satisfies main stream journals can be mind boggling. But to do research that is meaningful to the average joe is not so hard. Such research could be cited by CS vendors as long as they put it in proper context (i.e. this is not really proof...FDA does not recognize CS...there was no control group...this and that make it more difficult to draw conclustions,... etc). An example: imagine say 20 patients with say HIV just took a bunch of CS and their local docs supplied before and after blood tests showing improvements. Mainstream journals may laugh such a study off as being very inadequate for many reasons, but I think many of the more natural medicine type of journals would readily publish such research, and I think vendors and consumers would find it valuable. It could be cited on websites, as long as it is done tactfully. There are some other potential problems I see with researching CS that I am not sure what to make of: You need to file for IND (investigational new drug) approval if the supplement being studied is used in a diseased population. You don't need to file for an IND if a supplement is studied in a healthy population. But this makes it hard to show health benefits. That is a catch 22 if you ask me. So the trick is how to design a study that shows real health benefit, but looks like it does not need approval as an investigational drug, but remains a supplement. Some suggest you get a population that is not diseased, but at-risk, and show benefits with them. Even then, if the FDA wants to say you've invented a drug and not a supplement, I guess they can anyway. So the next option is to just screw it and do a study anyway in a diseased population and not file for an IND. I don't know what the possible repercussions of that are though. But one site warns that this may help to get a supplement classified as a drug across an entire industry, thereby making things more difficult for others. But seeing as how there already is an FDA ruling on colloidal silver and that they say you can market it as a supplement as long as it is without medical claims, I doubt that is a problem. I get the feeling about clinical research is that probably a ton of published research don't follow all the rules and regulations down to a T, and no one checks, and even if someone checks, at most people become more incredulous about the results. Regardless, why does it have to be so complicated!? In the end,
CSFYI, changing email
Just FYI, all my posts from now on will be made under the name davidra...@yahoo.com. I am joining the more intelligent than myself and consolidating all my forums into one email address. David
Re: CStick bite problem
Go to a doc and get a month of antibiotics. You can do all this other stuff as well. Take lots of probiotics if you take the antibiotics. They are not as dangerous as not getting them when you are bitten by a tick. I second the CS with DMSO topically. Since it if in your forearm, I would make a bath with 90% CS and 10% DMSO and just submerge the whole rash for as long as you can each day. David On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM, mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com wrote: I would consider godzilla type Zapping, nothing but 6 volt battery with leads stuck into sponges or whatever. Beyond that, frequency zapping ala Hulda Clark and Rife. Brooks CS with DMSO topically. Prid drawing salve from the pharmacy has drawing powers if you leave it on for a few days in a paste. Make a salve from bees wax olive or coconut oil and oregano oil. Add lavender oil and clove to it. On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote: Hi all, Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm. It was half embedded. Very smalll deer tick. I have problems. I drank CS numerous times, washed it with alcohol, scratched a lot. Last night it swelled. It turned red. It hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 6 inches with a hard circle about the size of a 50 cent piece at the bite then swelling and heat and red that headed upward and sideways from the top of my forearm. It is hot and swollen ---Still drinking CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol. Several swabs of oil of oregano. Avoiding doctor. everal years ago i had tick bite that had hard, red angry reaction. Doctor said i am allergic. Whoa, Benedryl? What do i do? HELP. MuttmomVicki
Re: CSre: infection? late stage colon cancer
Leg swelling and abdominal swelling (ascites) are caused by the liver cancer. If you kill the liver cancer, it will go away. Otherwise not. I would have her swallow a bunch of anticancer supplements and hope for the best before throwing in the towel. A quart of CS a day, artemsinin, curcumin phytosome, resveratrol, milk thistle phytosome. That would be a decent start in my opinion. David On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:32 PM, dingyun...@att.net wrote: Hi, My sister-in-law weeks ago admitted herself to hospital with severe stomach pain and was told she has late stage colon cancer spreading to the liver. Doctor did surgery and punched a hole on her stomach to let out the wast. One week later her legs swellon and stomach in great pain. I suspected it was an infection she got from hospital. She is in Canada. Not sure what doctor treaments for this situation. may be anti-biotics. I am wondering CS will quiet down her infection if anti-biotics failed. and what brand of CS you can recommend? Helen
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
Ya, medicine seems to discover lots of things and never mention that people in alternative medicine knew it for years or decades...silver as an antibiotic...various supplements with chemotherapy...vitamin D deficiency...gluten allergies...you name it. The quacks rarely get the credit. They just become repeated quacks for the next thing they claim that also will turn out to be accepted by everyone in 20 years, while the average doctor may get praised for eventually using an answer that was handed to him without any effort, yet not get any flack for not having realized it a long time ago when he should have. Though you have to have sympathy for the average doctor. The average doctor is, afterall, only average. Though if you ask me, average people ought to stay away from medicine. David On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: ** What a bunch of horse hockey! Brown researchers have discovered how that happens. The process is similar to developing black-and-white photographs, and it's not just the silver. This has been discussed here for the last 13 years, and I published papers that say the same thing over a decade ago. Maybe rediscovered, if they did not research it first, but discovered, hardly. They are implying that nanosilver reacts with acids, where normal silver does not. This should be pretty easy to test. Marshall On 10/31/2012 10:05 PM, Jim Holmes wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5365 - Release Date: 10/31/12 --f46d043be1de9bc75904cd65747c--
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
And get this: Those ions can easily be taken into the bloodstream through channels that absorb other types of salt. That's a crucial step, Hurt said. Silver metal particles themselves aren't terribly likely to make it from the GI tract to the blood, but when they're transformed into a salt, they're ushered right through God it just goes to show how useless it is for people to argue for years about theories. Observation trumps theories by 1,000 miles. Competing hypotheses are endless. And also of interest: This study implies that silver nanoparticles will be less toxic than an equivalent amount of silver salt, at least in this exposure scenario. David
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid, then does it get digested at all? David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. -- *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM *Subject:* Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.comwrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
My point is that if they are digested in the stomach acid, then the particles may be turned into salts in the stomach acid according to the linked paper's opinion. The capping agents would not protect it in this case. If the capping agents are not digested, then they continue to cover the particles and result in low exposed surface area to interact with bugs. The same issue that occurs with silver proteins. But of course these are all one of a billion hypotheses. One could just as easily say some particles get through the mucous membranes, etc. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:30 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: thats why there are several capping agents, clear corn syrup cinnamon are just two that are digested easily. -- *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:23 PM *Subject:* Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid, then does it get digested at all? David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.comwrote: It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. -- *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM *Subject:* Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.comwrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm
Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda
I'm saying what this means is there are tons of hypothesis that all have some merit, and in the end, nothing can prove one is better than the other except clinical trials. Any strong claims that one is definitely better than the other is simply premature. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:56 PM, André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com wrote: But does this mean that colloidial silver that is taken orally are not so effective? If it fails to enter the bloodstream from the stomac then it cannot reach the microbes. 2012/10/31 David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com: My point is that if they are digested in the stomach acid, then the particles may be turned into salts in the stomach acid according to the linked paper's opinion. The capping agents would not protect it in this case. If the capping agents are not digested, then they continue to cover the particles and result in low exposed surface area to interact with bugs. The same issue that occurs with silver proteins. But of course these are all one of a billion hypotheses. One could just as easily say some particles get through the mucous membranes, etc. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:30 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: thats why there are several capping agents, clear corn syrup cinnamon are just two that are digested easily. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:23 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda That is a good point. But if the capping is not digested in the stomach acid, then does it get digested at all? David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:19 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: It just means that you want to use capped CS to avoid the acid in the stomach. And it tells don't over do the silver--The old motto a little bit is medicine more is poison. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMore anti-Ag propaganda This may dispel a myth that silver colloids do not interact with stomach acid. This makes the whole topic of ions versus particles even more convoluted and therefore all the more moot. David On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: They don't mention that it is only silver compounds that cause Argyria. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121030143029.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes CS cause Argeria --turning gray?
There are home uric acid test devices are available. After researching
gout in the past, I concluded cinnamon extract (Gaia brand - I don't
remember why I chose it now though) may be an effective therapy to lower
uric acid. Cinnemaldehyde (which is present in cinnamon extract) showed
massive plummet in uric acid from one megadose in an animal study. You
could take as much total cinnemaldehyde in like a 6 month period with a
normal dose of cinnamon extract.
David
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:
Tart cherry juice (or capsules) is excellent for gout. Also avoid foods
high in purines. L
On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:
Mail Error. Sorry, Jim
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Mark,
Anecdotal report of CS helping Gout. I have never seen any hard science
on it. FWIW; here it is.
Jim
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote:
What we make can..if..
1] You have something wrong with your metals elimination system [over
loaded with copper + low Selenium? ]
2] Abnormal body chemistry
3] you take a LOT of EIS, made very strong, for a long time.
One person in S Africa reported turning grey after making his CS as
strong as he could and drank 2 large coffee mugs a day for two years.
He said it helped with the pain of a bad case of gout and has not
stopped his regimen.
The silver was probably combining with the uric acid crystals,
neutralizing them somehow and was not being eliminated.
It is very rare that silver in any form at any amount turns people grey.
Normal elimination rate: 98% in 48 hours
Reported rate back in the days of no respirators etc, silver industry
workers exposed to silver dust and smelting fumes daily...1 in 2000
Somewhere around 5 have managed it with Home Made silver..out of how
many hundreds of thousands in the past 30 or so years?
Odds, slim to almost none, but possible
Use some common sense.
Ode
At 08:59 PM 10/28/2012 +1100, you wrote:
Does CS cause Argyria - turning gray?
Well CS might, but what we produce won't.
Everyone may have differing opinions on this one, so I'll get in with
mine g. What we make is (1) NOT colloidal silver {CS}, and (2) It won't
cause Argyria because it's predominantly Ag+ ions and not neutral charged
particles which are in higher numbers by ratio and as such won't collect in
tissue, besides it doesn't stay in the system long enough. What we make in
the kitchen is a predominantly Ionic Silver Solution, and what particles
there are, are far too small and in less quantity to cause any cosmetic
issue.
Of course I can't speak for Dave, or anyone else who may have consumed
or used large quantities for an extended amount of time, but if not
consumed in large volumes or for an extended period of time as far as I'm
concerned it won't cause Argyria. There has not been one case of the
consumption or use of our product reported by the FDA or our TGA as having
resulted in Argyria. Every report they waffle on about refer to that
product called 'CS' or 'Colloidal Silver', and most refer to silver
nitrates, silver acetates, solutions produced by people who are ignorant or
wilfully go against the correct production procedure, or a product
containing a form of stabiliser {usually higher ppm level products} and a
host of other 'stuff?' of which is not what we produce.
To recap: My opinion...NO, EIS {Electrolytically Isolated Silver} or a
'predominantly Ionic Silver Solution' will not cause Argyria.
N.
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 23:16:13 -0700
From: jsmpren...@sbcglobal.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
CC: jssmpren...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: CSDoes CS cause Argeria --turning gray?
Hi,
I am new to this list and considering buying a kit to make CS at home
for Lyme treatment.
I thought I had read CS does not cause Argeria--turning skin gray. But
then I read in a post today that Dave said
After killing Active Lyme for 10 years with a vigorous CS protocol
( 4
oz
every 20 minutes for three days) and a maintenance dose of a glass a
day
or more like drinking water, I started turning quite gray from
Argeria
I would appreciate those with experience opinion on this.
ALso when I went to silver puppy.com web site I got very confused. THe
site does not mention silver puppy. It is about Coyote Zenterprizes. Is
that the correct site to order from. IS it the standard automatic CS
generator was recommended. Should I purchase a stirrer also?
Thank you for your help.
Sandy
Re: CShigh PPM EIS concept:
Very interesting...Thanks a ton for those responses. David On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.comwrote: ** I use a current controlled CS generator, by increasing the 'distance' between the electrodes by means of a maze type container would THEORETICALLY help me by increasing the resistance of the DW so that i can keep the voltages higher where it tends to brew more efficiently, without reaching a low voltage so soon and limiting the process. for example in my setup when i reach below 6v it seems reluctant to brew any more. and that's with a setup where I can increase the distance between the electrodes, when I reach a limit, I increase the distance between the electrodes so that I can brew again by increasing the voltages. I can get 38us roughly using this method, although I am an advocate of very low current brewing (0.1/0.2ma per SQ inch) and my setup is geared for this in mind, so my current controlled setup will go low voltage quicker than most to maintain the low currents I am looking for my brew. the reason I mention this is that I understand the wisdom behind the question and agree with this line of reasoning based on my experiences . Peace to all, Asif. *From:* Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2012 3:16 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CShigh PPM EIS concept: On 10/25/2012 11:01 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: I hope I am not violating some basic law(s) of electrochemistry here...I'll give myself a 50% chance of someone correcting me: What if you divided the cell with a material that is nonconducting, does not react with silver ions, and manages to obstruct the flow of current between the electrodes completely. Then you punched a small hole in the material. Current could pass through that hole. If that hole could be moved around in the plane of that sheet of material, it could confound the silver ions trying to migrate towards that hole, as they rarely succeed in passing through it before it has moved to somewhere else. Could this allow an indefinite amount of silver ions to get into solution? I guess it is like creating an artificial sense of infinite distance between electrodes without there ever being such a thing. Another concept is to literally create a large distance between electrodes. Could this not also be helpful in reaching higher concentrations of silver ions? A way to do this is to create some kind of a maze for the ion to have to travel through. The problem is that the ions will over a short time diffuse so that they are even throughout the solution due to diffusion. This this would accomplish nothing. However I have heard of people socking the electrode, apparently the ions can have a hard time getting through the cloth to the other electrode. If you put a osmosis barrier in there, that just might do what you are wanting. Marshall David -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5353 - Release Date: 10/25/12
CShigh PPM EIS concept:
I hope I am not violating some basic law(s) of electrochemistry here...I'll give myself a 50% chance of someone correcting me: What if you divided the cell with a material that is nonconducting, does not react with silver ions, and manages to obstruct the flow of current between the electrodes completely. Then you punched a small hole in the material. Current could pass through that hole. If that hole could be moved around in the plane of that sheet of material, it could confound the silver ions trying to migrate towards that hole, as they rarely succeed in passing through it before it has moved to somewhere else. Could this allow an indefinite amount of silver ions to get into solution? I guess it is like creating an artificial sense of infinite distance between electrodes without there ever being such a thing. Another concept is to literally create a large distance between electrodes. Could this not also be helpful in reaching higher concentrations of silver ions? A way to do this is to create some kind of a maze for the ion to have to travel through. David
CSa useful electrolyte?
What if an electrolyte was used during a brew where the anion of that chemical was OH- ? Could it be that this could allow higher silver ion concentrations without creating any silver compounds besides AgOH and Ag2O? Could this then possibly not pose greatly increased argyria risk over regular EIS? Well, even if EIS could be made at much higher concentrations without any additives, that in itself is still unknown territory, so all bets may be off in any case? David
Re: CSMaking silver colloids from silvernitrate and trisodium citrate
Thanks James. I am jumping into that forum. David On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:14 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: Check out making Colloidal Silver high ppm at cscgforum -- *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:07 PM *Subject:* CSMaking silver colloids from silvernitrate and trisodium citrate The reason I am trying to try things like this is because my bugs are not dying. If I take a swig of 1000PPM silver citrate, I get a herx, but I am not ready to do that regularly as I am afraid of argyria. I have also taken a few drops of 15,000PPM silver citrate with barely noticeable response. Other things I have thought of doing are drops of super concentrated silver nitrate, but there are warnings that it may not be safe to contact tissues at higher PPMs, so I am shy about that. And then also that may turn me blue eventually. Silver nitrate can supposedly reach like 2 million PPM at saturation. Well, then I suppose another approach is trying super concentrated silver colloids. I feel a little better about that since I have not heard of anyone getting argyria from silver colloids, but tell me if I am wrong. Also no one has complained about toxicity of lower PPM silver colloid suspensions. One claimed method is using the reducing agent from silverlungs: http://shop.silverlungs.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AGENT They only recently started selling it separately. Though I would need a high PPM ionic solution in order to convert to colloids in the first place. I suppose I could just see what happens if I mixed it with silver citrate or silver nitrate solutions in that case. And then there is this method: http://www.ktu.edu/lt/mokslas/zurnalai/medz/medz0-87/03%20Electronic...(pp.287-291).pdf Apparently, you can mix silver nitrate and trisodium citrate to make colloidal silver. The method described in the paper would yield approximately 100PPM colloidal silver assuming it all gets converted. This begs the question if the same process would work for much higher concentrations, perhaps making say 1000PPM silver colloids? And also, I was reading some other forum where people were mentioning using cinnamon extract to make silver colloids. Anyone know anything about that? ... Trisodium citrate supplier: http://www.alfa.com/en/gp100w.pgm?dsstk=36439 Silver nitrate facts and supplier: http://www.saltlakemetals.com/Silver_Nitrate_Solution.htm http://www.saltlakemetals.com/Solubility_Of_Silver_Nitrate.htm David -- David Mobile service pays you http://healingresearch.net/free4g/ My health website http://healingresearch.net
Re: CSMaking silver colloids from silvernitrate and trisodium citrate
Anyone know what would happen if I added peroxide to silver citrate? Anyone know what would happen if I stirred and heated silver oxide powder and slowly added peroxide? David
Re: CSMaking silver colloids from silvernitrate and trisodium citrate
I've tried tons of stuff for biofilm which I believe is a likely part of the holdup for me. Liposomal EDTA, Wobenzym, Interfase enzymes, lumbrokinase, serrapeptase, nattokinase, cistus tea, cistus tincture, maybe some other things. About to try something called Rechts Regulat. My bad bugs are probably bartonella and mycoplasma. I think I have basically eliminated lyme and that it was never my real problem. My EIS adventures began 3 years ago roughly. If I stop taking all antimicrobials for a few weeks, I feel bugs coming back. For the most part, EIS is what I have used these years to maintain the progress that I have made. Recently, I have been able to successfully open the front in the intestines. Taking minocycline seems to have punched holes in the gut biofilm and now many antimicrobials that stopped working now work again in the intestines. But the front I can;t get anywhere with is systemic bugs in the blood vessels. On 3 occasions taking various Rx antibiotics caused herx systemically and big improvement all within the first 24 hours. Then 24 hours later, that antiobiotic is forever a placebo...very crafty bugs. I got some more Rx antibotics lined up, but I have to do some other things first for various reasons. If I take 20grams of lipo C I do actually get a small systemic herx. Lipo C also basically cured me of side effects from minocycline which are supposed to occur even in healthy people (dizziness, head pressure). I have tried ASAP Health Max 30 PPM, which is the same as Silver Biotics. Salt Lake Metals lists 2570grams per liter as the solubility of Silver Nitrate (and it goes up to like 7,000 g/l at higher temperatures!). That is 2.5 million milligrams per liter. I was calling that 2.5 million PPM, which as you said, does not make any sense at all =). But by my calculations, pure liquid silver comes out to be about 9 million milligrams per liter. The two things I have that have produced any systemic effect thus far are lipo-C and 1000PPM silver citrate. My bowels get loose with much more than about 20 grams lipo-C. So that really leaves silver as the sensible place for me to look for some innovative new way to kill bugs...Hence my interest in that method of making colloidal silver at high concentrations. David On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote: 2 million PPM is, by definition, impossible. A bar of 100.00% pure silver would be 1 million PPM, and you can't get more than 100%. --- On *Wed, 10/17/12, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Subject: CSMaking silver colloids from silvernitrate and trisodium citrate To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 6:07 PM The reason I am trying to try things like this is because my bugs are not dying. If I take a swig of 1000PPM silver citrate, I get a herx, but I am not ready to do that regularly as I am afraid of argyria. I have also taken a few drops of 15,000PPM silver citrate with barely noticeable response. Other things I have thought of doing are drops of super concentrated silver nitrate, but there are warnings that it may not be safe to contact tissues at higher PPMs, so I am shy about that. And then also that may turn me blue eventually. Silver nitrate can supposedly reach like 2 million PPM at saturation. Well, then I suppose another approach is trying super concentrated silver colloids. I feel a little better about that since I have not heard of anyone getting argyria from silver colloids, but tell me if I am wrong. Also no one has complained about toxicity of lower PPM silver colloid suspensions. One claimed method is using the reducing agent from silverlungs: http://shop.silverlungs.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AGENT They only recently started selling it separately. Though I would need a high PPM ionic solution in order to convert to colloids in the first place. I suppose I could just see what happens if I mixed it with silver citrate or silver nitrate solutions in that case. And then there is this method: http://www.ktu.edu/lt/mokslas/zurnalai/medz/medz0-87/03%20Electronic...(pp.287-291).pdf Apparently, you can mix silver nitrate and trisodium citrate to make colloidal silver. The method described in the paper would yield approximately 100PPM colloidal silver assuming it all gets converted. This begs the question if the same process would work for much higher concentrations, perhaps making say 1000PPM silver colloids? And also, I was reading some other forum where people were mentioning using cinnamon extract to make silver colloids. Anyone know anything about that? ... Trisodium citrate supplier: http://www.alfa.com/en/gp100w.pgm?dsstk=36439 Silver nitrate facts and supplier: http://www.saltlakemetals.com/Silver_Nitrate_Solution.htm http://www.saltlakemetals.com/Solubility_Of_Silver_Nitrate.htm David -- David Mobile service
Re: CSnebulized silver and black tongue
Interesting. Perhaps the alternation of the two is another variable also. Discoloration is after all associated with silver. He had been nebulizing peroxide for like a year before alternating with silver and I did not hear complaints in that time. Perhaps it could have taken this long to develop, and it was just coincidence the silver was started then, and it would be easy to assume it caused it then. Del, were you using CS around the times you used peroxide also? David
Re: CSnebulized silver and black tongue
Am I reading correctly that they say the black is caused by fungus because good bacteria that competes with it has been killed off? Though if that were so, one might think this would happen with every mouth wash. David
Re: CSnebulized silver and black tongue
I read antibiotics can also cause black tongue. Though this paper suggests it has nothing to do with bacteria or fungi at all: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2016184/?page=3
Re: CSnebulized silver and black tongue
CS can stain teeth. And peroxide takes it off fairly well for me. David On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:33 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: This is very interesting. I clean with CS a lot, and find it can stain countertops if I let a puddle of it dry. But if I added a little peroxide to the CS spray bottle, no staining. I've also used peroxide with baking soda to remove brown and black/grey silver stains. Just shows countertops and sinks are very different from the human body, LOL. I wonder exactly what the peroxide can be doing to cause a black tongue though. sol David AuBuchon wrote: Interesting. Perhaps the alternation of the two is another variable also. Discoloration is after all associated with silver. He had been nebulizing peroxide for like a year before alternating with silver and I did not hear complaints in that time. Perhaps it could have taken this long to develop, and it was just coincidence the silver was started then, and it would be easy to assume it caused it then. Del, were you using CS around the times you used peroxide also? David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized silver and black tongue
Unfortunately, the person in question hard to get information from. In the future I hope to get the bottle of whatever he was using and confirm that it was ionic. I won't be able to know if anything was mixed with it though, but if they followed the instructions they were given, they would not have. In any case, you look at your tongue, you see hey it looks a little different, and there is no risk of getting any serious cosmetic problem. You just stop. I also don't know how black the word black actually means or if it is even permanent. Sorry I don't have more details. I am someone distanced from this case. David On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:05 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: what ppm? ionic or colloidal silver? What was in the CS? -- *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:16 PM *Subject:* CSnebulized silver and black tongue Hi All, FYI, I need to report on a negative result from nebulized EIS. A person nebulized it for lung cancer. He was alternating days with H2O2. He stopped it after his tongue reportedly turned black. His lung tumor also remained unchanged in size. This unfortunately also weights against the few anecdotes we have of lung cancer benefitting from nebulized silver. David
CSnebulized silver and black tongue
Hi All, FYI, I need to report on a negative result from nebulized EIS. A person nebulized it for lung cancer. He was alternating days with H2O2. He stopped it after his tongue reportedly turned black. His lung tumor also remained unchanged in size. This unfortunately also weights against the few anecdotes we have of lung cancer benefitting from nebulized silver. David
CSalkaline water, cancer, silver, and platinum
I may have asked some of these questions before but can't seem to remember. CS becomes alkaline with increasing PPM, right? What does that, and this is not the same as alkaline water, right? Alkaline water has anticancer effects apparently: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/electrolyzed-reduced-water-ie-structured-water-inhibits-tumor-angiogenesis http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/electrolyzed-reduced-water-ie-structured-water-may-enhance-anticancer-activity-platinum In the second link, they say it is only the combination of alkaline water and platinum nanoparticles - and neither alkaline water or platinum alone - that had those anticancer effects. We previously discussed on this forum an alkaline water machine that was like $200 something dollars that had platinum coated electrodes I think. So perhaps some platinum nanoparticles are created with the use of something like that? What happens if you first run distilled water through such an alkalizer, then use that water to brew CS? Does that mess up the alkaline water? Could it be possible to create a product that has alkaline water, silver, and platinum all at once? David
Re: CSCS and Cancer?
I think replacing a pets drinking water with CS is an excellent idea if they have cancer. It has shown anticancer effects in addition to killing infection. I've read like 10 anecdotes in dogs and 20 in humans. If he survives the cancer, you will have plenty of time to find some way to clean up sinus infection. David On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: Check out cancertutor.org, it has all kinds of alternative cancer therapies, including some which use CS. -Alan On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:31 PM, goofeygalpal goofeygal...@comcast.netwrote: ** My cat Reilly has been diagnosed with cancer and he's under the care of a holistic, specifically TCM veterinarian and is on a couple traditional chinese herbal rx's specific for cancer, i also give him fat soluable curcumin (CuraMed) and a host of other things, namely Livon Labs lypo C a packet a day (i make my own DIY encapsulated C for my husband and me) and he is also getting C injected into the tumor site by his vet (his tumor is in his frontal forehead/sinuses) and the injectible C has had a demonstrable effect on the tumor!! He gets it twice weekly but now that it's been a month he goes in just once weekly...i'm hoping with the once weekly he doesn't regress. I'm also starting him today on IP-6 and Essiac specifically formulated for pets (i don't want to go overboard w/supps as he is a CAT after all) and he is already taking AHCC and medicinal mushrooms with DMG and milk thistle, he's never been vaccinated and he's been raised on a raw food diet (and still got cancer because he was born with a wonky immune system). BTW he doesn't act like he has cancer at all, the only clue i had was the lump growing above his nose and forehead and the nasal sounds he had been making for the past year although no one would have guessed it was cancer until the lump appeared :( Too bad because i could have started treatment a long time ago, the cat has energy, eats well, and doesn't exhibit any other symptoms. Well to get to the point after all this research, on curezone people were bringing up CS, i have a generator and take CS and have given it to him in the past but i NEVER have seen it indicated as a cancer fighter! He has been on 6 wks antibiotics because of possible infection as infection in that area/sinuses is particularly tenaceous although he may not have one at all now, he takes his last antibiotic tomorrow, i have him on probiotics also but am wondering if i should give him daily CS IF IT INDEED IS an important arsenal in cancer fighting? I will have him on daily probiotics as that is one thing i worry about with CS is it kills good gut bacteria. His vet did say if he survives this cancer he may always have problems with infections in that area. Thanks for any help! Susie -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSparasites and mold
Thanks a lot for sharing this. Very encouraging to hear researchers are picking up on this. David On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Taniform Asongwe tason...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: We have been using cs in our research lab with incredible success. Latest result is an HIV/AIDS patients for whom ARV medications were no longer helpful. He developed candiasis all over his body. Within a month on CS his health had improved dramatical. The approach is not to take too much CS at the beginning because this might provoke a Herxheimer reaction(rapid die-off of pathogens) in the body resulting in the patient being extremely ill. But then again it is essential not to take too little of it, otherwise the desired benefits will not be achieved. I've gone to the point of actually making the CS myself, at 10-15 ppm with triple distilled water, passing it through a .2 micron syringe filter and administering this intravenously. A typical starting dose is 2cc and working up to 10cc every 48hrs. We have used larger quantities for other ailments with much success as well and no lasting side effects. As to parasites, the only area has been with malaria where the above solution administered at 2cc once resulted in a complete remission of malaria as a rapid test indicated 72 hours after administration. Test was made before administration. How it works is quite simple actually, it destroys the oxygen metabolism enzyme of single cell organisms, which include molds and parasites. Molds are still single cell organisms in functionality although they tend to link together to form long chain. This notwithstanding the individual cell is still functionally independent. -- *From:* jbidmt jbi...@yahoo.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2012, 12:24 *Subject:* CSparasites and mold anyone have any testimonials how cs works on mold and/or parasites? thanks -- **
Re: CSAg+ can be lipo encapsulated:
Or to spin the same thing in a positive light, it did not lose any efficacy. Which may have real implications in vivo, because a liposome may be able to dump ions deeper into the body before they react with anything. (FYI, by ion, I think they mean silver nitrate in this study.) David On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM, André Juthe andre.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Yes indeed it can but it did not seem to make a difference if I got it right: The required effective concentration of Ag+ from liposome encapsulated Ag+ (lipo-Ag+) was shown to remain the same as free Ag+. /André 2012/7/31 David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com: This paper apparently says so: http://wlv.openrepository.com/wlv/bitstream/2436/219012/1/Low_PhD%20thesis.pdf David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAg+ can be lipo encapsulated:
This paper apparently says so: http://wlv.openrepository.com/wlv/bitstream/2436/219012/1/Low_PhD%20thesis.pdf David
Re: CSACS 200
This may not have anything to do with colloids. It may just be a solution of some type of silver. Nano is juts jargon. Basically, try homemade CS first. If that does not solve your problem, then only would someone want to consider this. David On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Janet Perry janetrpe...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that is a huge difference. When does it go beyond colloidal concentration wise? What does nano mean in this context? Thanks, Garnet On Jul 27, 2012 6:10 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Last I checked, Frank measured it at about 60PPM. And ACS200 is also sold under some other label name that I forget that specifies more like 60PPM silver. David On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.comwrote: Its sounds like an add, all cs has silver, some more than others, but they all are good and more is not always better. Tel Tofflemire -- *From:* Janet R. Perry janetrpe...@gmail.com *To:* Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:58 AM *Subject:* CSACS 200 Anyone familiar with this product? The label says: - ACS 200 Extra Strength Advanced Cellular Silver 2 Fl Oz 200 ppm Maintenance: 5 sprays by mouth 2-3 times a day Higher Dose: 10 Sprays 4 times a day Other Ingredients: nano distilled water - I would love to hear any feedback on what exactly this is. It does not say colloidal or silver-protein anywhere on the bottle. When I called the company the rep said he did not know if it was silver protein and would have a technical person contact me. That was over a week ago and I have not heard back. This was recommended to a friend of mine by a nurse practitioner for treating chronic Lyme Disease. He was told to take 10 sprays 3-4 times a day. My understanding, and please someone correct me if I am wrong, is that any silver solution this high in concentration (over 20 or 30 ppm?) must be silver protein or some other silver compound, in other words a preparation that is not colloidal or ionic or monoatomic silver. The ingredients list does say Other Ingredients: nano distilled water which leaves me wondering what nano distilled water is? Thanks for any feedback, Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSACS 200
Last I checked, Frank measured it at about 60PPM. And ACS200 is also sold under some other label name that I forget that specifies more like 60PPM silver. David On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: Its sounds like an add, all cs has silver, some more than others, but they all are good and more is not always better. Tel Tofflemire -- *From:* Janet R. Perry janetrpe...@gmail.com *To:* Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:58 AM *Subject:* CSACS 200 Anyone familiar with this product? The label says: - ACS 200 Extra Strength Advanced Cellular Silver 2 Fl Oz 200 ppm Maintenance: 5 sprays by mouth 2-3 times a day Higher Dose: 10 Sprays 4 times a day Other Ingredients: nano distilled water - I would love to hear any feedback on what exactly this is. It does not say colloidal or silver-protein anywhere on the bottle. When I called the company the rep said he did not know if it was silver protein and would have a technical person contact me. That was over a week ago and I have not heard back. This was recommended to a friend of mine by a nurse practitioner for treating chronic Lyme Disease. He was told to take 10 sprays 3-4 times a day. My understanding, and please someone correct me if I am wrong, is that any silver solution this high in concentration (over 20 or 30 ppm?) must be silver protein or some other silver compound, in other words a preparation that is not colloidal or ionic or monoatomic silver. The ingredients list does say Other Ingredients: nano distilled water which leaves me wondering what nano distilled water is? Thanks for any feedback, Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMRI Question
An MRI might cause a lyme herx. Do you get a reaction from cranking up the volume and listening to 432 hertz for a few minutes?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmWWfp71TwA If yes, I say it is lyme. If not, it does not rule it out however. Taking a megadose of CS and getting a reaction indicates infection also. David On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Teri t...@welshspringers.com wrote: Has anyone had an unusual experience having an MRI? I seldom take CS as I am very healthy and it has been over 6 months since I had any CS at all. Today I had an MRI and my face was numb and I had a terrible headache when I got out of the machine. The MRI was off my neck. Teri -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSliposomal CMO source
Is there a best/ cheapest source for liposomal CMO cream? It will be used for someones neck pain. I was gonna get it from here: http://www.cetylmyristoleate.com/Product_MyristinCream.html 4 jars for $43 dollars roughly. Each jar is 2 oz. Not sure if that is by weight or by volume, but either way, it is not a bad deal I suppose. Is there a timeframe it should be used and then given up? Thanks, David
Re: CSMRI Question
Yes, CS is not magnetic. People with amalgam fillings (has silver) are allowed in MRIs. If the MRIs don't shred up blood cells by flinging around iron in your body, the amount of silver from ingested CS - even if it were magnetic - is negligible. David On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know if I could blame this on CS. I've had some MRI's recently. The most recent one was of my neck. I don't take CS regularly just as needed. It was a long session because they also did my thoracic area. The entire MRI process took 1 1/2 hours.It gets pretty hot in there. I had no pain, no headache, nothing like that at all. Steve --- On *Mon, 7/23/12, Teri t...@welshspringers.com* wrote: From: Teri t...@welshspringers.com Subject: CSMRI Question To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 23, 2012, 5:22 PM Has anyone had an unusual experience having an MRI? I seldom take CS as I am very healthy and it has been over 6 months since I had any CS at all. Today I had an MRI and my face was numb and I had a terrible headache when I got out of the machine. The MRI was off my neck. Teri -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSliposomal CMO source
I can only use the cream in this case. The person is old and already maxed out on supplements down his throat. Plus kidney failure, so supplements have safety concerns because of that also. David On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: ** I just bought some @ $17 .. the protocol for taking them is quite specific plus initially I took all the supporting supplements they recommended Jane - Original Message - *From:* Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:31 AM *Subject:* Re: CSliposomal CMO source I paid over $80.00 for CMO pills with no result's at all, Debbie *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 5:52 PM *Subject:* CSliposomal CMO source Is there a best/ cheapest source for liposomal CMO cream? It will be used for someones neck pain. I was gonna get it from here: http://www.cetylmyristoleate.com/Product_MyristinCream.html 4 jars for $43 dollars roughly. Each jar is 2 oz. Not sure if that is by weight or by volume, but either way, it is not a bad deal I suppose. Is there a timeframe it should be used and then given up? Thanks, David No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5149 - Release Date: 07/23/12
Re: CSR/O water reads 0.0 uS !
It says Assured Water Inc.
Re: CSR/O water reads 0.0 uS !
The maintenance guy came today to change the filters on the unit, and the only test he performed to check that it is working is conductivity, and he measured 0.0 with his equipment also, and said that means it is working. I was also skeptical, which is why I confirmed the measurement. David On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Err... yes it is malfunctioning, or it needs recalibrating. No way it could be that low. David (Australia) From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Date: 29 June 2012 9:12:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSR/O water reads 0.0 uS ! The reverse osmosis water out of this tap reads 0.0 on my Hanna PWT, and it is not malfunctioning! That is better than distilled. The pH measure 5.0. That is a little concerning to me... David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDocuments
I'm reading that page now. Is it true that there is a government contract for colloidal silver? : Gone is the era of viewing colloidal silver as snake oil by the government. These colloidal silver based products are approved or in the process of being approved by the FDA. For example, a recent U.S. Government contract for colloidal silver, as but one example is: (GSA # GS-07F-0826N). David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDocuments
What is this?: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunitymode=formid=63d4d86aead22de1ec7ff250e1b5498btab=core_cview=0 David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDocuments
Plus this says: The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommends that the concentration of silver in public drinking water supplies not exceed one milligram per liter of water, i.e. one part per million (1 ppm). If true, then lifelong, if I am not mistaken, that would FAR exceed the EPAs listed reference dose to avoid argyria. This is contradicting themselves. Can anyone find an actual source for that statement other than that webpage? David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDocuments
Okay, srry, later in the page, they say 0.1PPM, which is 10 times less, and I calculate to be roughly equivalent the the reference dose. So it must just have been a typo. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSprostate infection
Elderly ailing man with recurrent infection believed to be in prostate, maybe in UTI. He is nebulized CS for lung cancer, but that is not gonna help the prostate. Any suggestions? I am thinkinh about: vitamin C, flower pollen, oral CS, brooks' CS/DMSO method of administering through the urethra, D-mannose, etc. Is oral CS good with UTI or prostate? David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSParalyzed vocal cords
Is it related to nerve damage or something else? If it is related to nerve damage, this article might get you brain going: http://scientificliving.net/2010/11/20-natural-ways-to-heal-nerve-damage-and-spinal-cord-injuries/ I would try magnets. Biomagscience.net. 4 power wafers and 2 super magnets would be sufficient to do the magnetic therapies I had in mind. Magnets appear to have abiilty to help all sorts of things regenerate. Peter (the magnet guy) has helped regenerate some nerves. If you actually located a damaged nerve, the magnets might be able to be used more specifically than I had in mind. If you want me to describe the actual physical placement of the magnets, I'll do that. There are also some centers called MME (magnetic molecular energizer). They use super high power EMF machines to treat people. : http://www.amri-wa.com/intro.html http://wrightnewsletter.com/2012/05/23/how-mme-can-work-miracles-for-a-host-of-ailments/ http://www.amri-wa.com/ Dr. Wright also related one case of paralyzed man who started walking again after MME. Good luck, David On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Hi Marshall, I'm a Reiki master and with nothing to lose, gave first degree Reiki to a Moluccan Cockatoo whose feet were both paralyzed from an illness at hatching. A week later, one foot began to move and grasp, and soon its function was restored to almost normal. The second foot never came back all the way, but the bird was able to get around with beak and foot, where once, she'd only sat on the bottom of the cage. Reiki doesn't heal anything, but it provides a healing energy that the body can use to heal itself, and sometimes, quite dramatically. It would certainly help the body do whatever it can to normalize circulation and rebuild what is worn or torn. It's a very handy tool to access in conjuntion with other modalities and has contributed greatly in my Lyme recovery. Ask around at local health-food stores, etc. and maybe you'll find a Reiki practitioner or master who could help. Be well, Léna On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Steve G wrote: I'm thinking that acupuncture may be helpful as well. I wouldn't bother with homeopathic remedies for any condition, unless it is one that could respond to placebos. .Electrical stimulation sounds the most promising to me. Best of luck. --- On *Tue, 6/19/12, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com* wrote: From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com Subject: CSParalyzed vocal cords To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 12:33 PM Does anyone have any suggestion on getting paralyzed vocal cords working again? My daughter had thyroid cancer, and when they removed her thyroid her vocal cords got paralyzed. I have been searching for any alternative therapies, and have found some Chinese herbs, homeopathic remedies, and maybe electro stimulation. Brooks, any research in this area you are aware of. Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnyone experienced with treating Hep-C? -- 30 ppm?
ASAP Health Max 30PPM can be ordered by emailing the lady at naturesgateway directly. http://www.naturesgateways.com/silversol.html David On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Diana Clock dianacl...@ymail.com wrote: Well, I used my own that I made first on Chad, so not sure what ppm that was. Jim's method soaked for 3 days. I am thankful to JIm for his work and Carol's continuing on for all of us. I then read that a LLMD had good luck with only the brand of silver ASAP. I can get only through my dr office though. I have tried to order on line, but you can only get it through a physician. I use what I make for our cuts, other bug bites, sinus infections, granddaughters eczema, cats water, my weird skin, etc. and use the ASAP 30 ppm for Chad. We do this because after a year and a half of antib we chose this and the DP 100. And our LLMD was encouraging about all of it! Have a good day! Diana Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Judy Knowlton judydownma...@roadrunner.com wrote: Thank you, Diana. That has given me a whole new insight on severe infestation. Have you tried 10 ppm before? What is the advantage to using 30 ppm? Judy K (Judydownmaine) _ -Original Message- From: Diana Clock [mailto:dianacl...@ymail.com] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 9:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnyone experienced with treating Hep-C? Hi Judy We are using asap 30 ppm for our 16 yr old for Lyme we just cannot seem to get past 1/2 teas a day and we use the DP 100 machine. We have trouble detoxing as we know he has the lyme and mold genes which makes it more difficult. He seems to herx too much if we up it. A 2 day bash would so consist of a lot more I guess? Diana Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Cyndi cyndi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/11/2012 5:46 PM, Judy Knowlton wrote: It's my continued strong opinion that people often UNDER-dose with 10 ppm CS. Instead, working a bit slowly up to a real 2-day bash might answer the problem on tricky illnesses like HIV, shingles, Lyme, Hep-C, etc. It would definitely be my method. Judydownmaine When I was taking a cup a day, it was for about a 6 month time period, much longer than your 2 day bash. I had a neighbor with MRSA from a thumb operation. The hospital had her one antibiotics so severe that she had to take benadryl because she broke out in hives. There was talk of her possibly losing her thumb and this went on for many weeks and months. I gave her a quart of my home made cs and had her drink it all that day. Then I gave her a second quart to drink over the course of a week. Within a few days she was healing and got to keep her thumb. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsoak limbs in CS with this:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Carex-EZ-Stretch-Cast-Protector-Arm/14673412 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Foot-Cast-Bandage-Cover-Protector/7079366 If these things are water proof, entire limbs could be soaked in CS if needed. David
Re: CSCS for lyme and metals
CS helped your neuropathy? Is it diabetic neuropathy in your feet? On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Edy Rayfield edyrayfi...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Lena, I'm with you. I do almost exactly what you are doing as well. I wouldn't count on CS to be the end all be all. It is a VERY good adjunct to whatever protocol you are using. I nebulize it to get the full benefit from it. Once it hits the acid in your tummy it's a gone deal. Drinking tons of it doesn't make sense to me as absorbing it through the mucus membranes of the mouth it is absorbed. Hold it there as long as you can especially under the tongue. My neuropathy has improved about 60%, but it took months. As someone I know says, pace not race. And, yes I am a lymie. Edy
Re: CS
Probiotics, colloidal silver, and food allergy testing and elimination. We've all known it, but I just recently saw that there is a study that proves this approach too: http://wrightnewsletter.com/2009/06/11/solution-for-ibs/ Meridian valley labs...combine to two panels of 90 foods each for the allergy testing. David On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Yes - I'd recommend that too Jane - Original Message - From: Lena Guyot To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:41 AM Subject: Re: CS I've heard that Low-dose naltrexone is good. L On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Bob Smith wrote: Does anyone know of an alternative protocol for Crohns? Bob Smith No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5061 - Release Date: 06/10/12 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnyone experienced with treating Hep-C?
Here is a copy and paste of suggestions I gave to my friend with Hep C. It is out of context, but at least the suggested supplements will be obvious: 2. Liposomal vitamin C: Work up to 10 grams a day. This would cost about $5 a day. I would start with 1 gram (1 tsp), 10 times a day, just to get a feel for if it is going to cause you any herx reactions. Can be taken with or without food. Does not matter much. Once you know there are no herx reactions, I would take 5 grams twice a day. Refrigerate after opening. This is to kill the virus and for overall health as well. If things do not turn around fast, I would be telling you to experiment with 50 grams doses of this. Buy from here. 96 grams in a bottle. So one bottle would last like 10 days, so buy quite a few of these. $46 a bottle. http://www.healthyitems.com/vitamin-C-p/610.htm Google on vitamin C and virus or hepatitis. 3. Liposomal glutathione: This is for overall health and improving liver function. Also may increase the effectiveness of interferon if you need to take it again. Actually, most of this stuff may increase effectiveness of any allopathic treatment you get and reduce side effects. Also this has some synergy with the liposomal vitamin C. Take 500mg (1 tsp) twice a day. This is just about the best detox therapy on the planet. Some people experience detox reactions from stirring up toxins. Similar to herx reactions, but from toxins and not from bacteria. If you do have any reaction, decrease the dose until you can tolerate it. Refrigerate after opening. http://www.healthdesigns.com/empirical-labs-liposomal-glutathione-4-fl-oz $55 a bottle. A bottle would last 15 days. So get several at a time. Google on glutathione and hepatitis. 4. Liposomal silibinin Silibinin is the chemical in milk thistle people has the most health effects. It is poorly absorbed because it is fat soluble. Liposomally encapsulating supplements give them many advantages, such as excellent absorption, longer circulating life, excellent intracellular delivery. And in this case we are doubly lucky that liposomes selectively release their contents in the liver. That is what all these supplements are liposomal. They work way better. Silbinin Google on silibinin and hepatitis. Here is a study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18771667 Take 1 capsule, three times a day. : http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU162/ItemDetail?SourceCode=INTL405CAWELAID=129499662 One bottle lasts 20 days and costs $15. This gives you roughly 300mg of actualy silibinin per day in a liposomal form. The study cited above showed that based on your weight, about 900mg per day by IV caused remissions. I believe oral liposomal dosing may be more effective than IV, so less is needed. And all these antivirals are going to have synergy. It really is the more the merrier. 5. Supercritical neem Has a bunch of antiviral chemicals: http://www.usingneem.com/ANTIVIRAL.pdf (warning it is a PDF) Supercritical extraction concentrates many of the chemicals . This concentrate is then placed in a capsule with regular raw neem leaf powder. So you get the broad spectrum leaf, plus many of the chemicals in much higher amounts due to the addition of the supercritical extract. http://www.tattvasherbs.com/servlet/-strse-43/Neem-Plus%2Corganic-neem-%2C/Detail If you buy 3 bottles of 120 capsules, that costs $72. If you take 1 capsule 3 times a day, that would last 4 months. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe chemistry of Maple syrup and sodium bicarbonate
Hi Marshall, I think you may have a typo. You say the pH in cancer cells is lowered, but alkalinity (i.e. increased pH) kills the cell. Can you clarify? Three things come to my mind as possibly related cancer therapies: 1 IPT: insulin targets cancer cells moreso. Glucose may have similar effect. This could partly explain a smaller amount of healthy cells being injured in any therapy relating to insulin or glucose. This also includes the following two items... 2. Amygdalin (Liebig and Wöhler were already able to find three decomposition products of the newly discovered amygdalin: sugar,benzaldehydehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzaldehyde, and prussic acid (hydrogen cyanidehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide).) This is related to laetrile. Supposedlely it is cyanide that kills the cancer cells. Glucose may have something to do with targeting cancer. However, benzaldeyde all by itself has been studied to treat cancer. So perhaps that is doing the job? 3. Orasal a.k.a. salicinium. (http://forperfectbalance.com/Orasal.htm). Dr. Forsythe recently pioneered this in cancer treatment. It contains gluco cyanid. Perhaps this is a simpler for of amygdaline and the glucose helps get cyanide into cancer cells? David On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Marshall, without your knowledge, training, etc., I totally agree with what you have stated here, it is something in the genuine maple syrup which is a carrier, which is able to take the properties of baking soda directly to the cancer to kill it - I have achieved this with my own skin cancer where there is no doubt in my mind You, they or we, will eventually find out which one of the many properties is the true carrier for this particular protocol - IT WORKS ! Take good care and look after yourself Regards Sandee Attitude is everything!!! www.aliveagain.co.cc http://www.aliveagain.co.cc/index.html *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4fd383039d6d1117591st02vuc consumerproducts.comhttp://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/4fd383039d6d1117591st02vuc
Re: CSconverting ionic solution to colloids method
FYI, I just found out the reducing agent they use says on the bottle dextrin carbohydrate. Don't know if that helps. They say to mix the powder in for 5 minutes, then heat on a burner. David On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Marshall, et al How much Vitamin C do you add for aprox 10PPM sol made with Bruce Marx's device. Has the issue of Ionic v. particulate been resolved? Can you comment? Thank you, Jim On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Hydrogen peroxide is what is called a redox agent, it both reduces and oxidizes. For silver here are the equations: Ag + H2O2 - H2O + AgO AgO + H2O2 - Ag + H2O + O2 To make pure colloid from ionic one can add vitamin C, ascorbic acid, which is only a reducing/antioxidant. Marshall On 4/25/2012 7:49 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: H2O2 and silver goes both ways. The Bell rocket belt is powered by H2O2 sprayed on a silver grid, producing steam. H2O2 will make silver oxides AND unmake them. Ode At 03:55 PM 4/24/2012 -0500, you wrote: I don't think that H2O2 or Oxyclean qualify as reducing agents since they are oxidizers. Dan On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: I see quite a number of mis-truths in the manual. Electrolysis using only pure water and pure silver makes no photo-reactive compounds, thus no need for colored glass to store it. The photo showing particles was done using a TEM which requires drying the sample which CREATES those particles of silver oxide...they weren't in the water at all. Adding H2O2 to a fresh batch will make it flash brownish...likely Tetrasilver Tetroxide, a patented germ killer that is touted to work by in vivo ion exchange. Their reducing agent might be similar to Oxyclean an H2O2 based bleach. [Turn your Golden hair into Platinum and have even more fun, girls. ] The non measurable particles would be a form of silver oxide. [There are 4 or 5 different forms of silver oxide ] It's Silver Oxide that makes CS look yellow or amber...the same black stuff that collects on one electrode when using the DC method and makes the golden mist when the current density is too high so that it forms in the water instead of staying on the electrode. If you dip a black electrode in H2O2, it destroys that black stuff just like it clears out the yellow /amber color out of the CS. Scrubbing the electrodes is a shear waste of silver. The dull appearance is due to pitting of the surface, not contamination...so, bulldoze a mountain to remove a creek bed? Their method for using the TDS meter is backwards, but may give a nearly accurate number by accident if done under the right conditions. ..makes the CS look stronger than it really is. I think that both the ions [Ag+] AND anions [OH-] add conductivity and they will reach a balance of mutual encounter probabilities according to concentration. [the max being 30 uS ]  Also some silver oxide will dissolve in the water and stay that way, adding to conductivity and not making particles big enough to be seen...but not much. The number you get from a meter doesn't match the number derived from an aa spectrophotometer [which ACTUALLY measures PPM, but doesn't differentiate forms of silver ] until the conductivity stops dropping. That's counting apples to see how many oranges you have, but both fruits are about the same size. [once the lemons and limes that CAN turn into the oranges you are trying to count, turn into those oranges ] More? What stir rate does to the numbers and size of silver hydroxide chunks. Why Fred Sprauge [now deceased] who once made the illustrious microprocessor controlled Custom Electronics LLC Smart Silver generator changed his stirrer to a direct copy after trying to figure it out for 7 years. What electrode tip discharge does to current density and electrode erosion. [Bend those tips slightly away from each other and the electrodes will last a lot longer...better yet, get the tips out of the water...something else that the Smart Silver copied and Fred admitted to.]  Sorry 'bout that Ode..It's OK Fred. We both learned something when we traded units and mixed the parts. He was a good guy with a good product that didn't need distortions and emotional manipulation to sell itself. Who better to share a market with ? Ode At 10:52 AM 4/22/2012 -0700, you wrote: http://www.silverlungs.com/latest_user_manual_hm_ez_v.pdf The manual for SilverLungs describes adding a reducing agent to convert an ionic solution to a colloidal silver. They have a photo of it turning amber color. Any idea what it is, and if it is legit? David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions:
Re: CSmigraines
Magnesium oil on back of neck, cayenne under tongue, negative pole magnets on back on neck. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: Thanks Edy...Her hubby is in the Navy so I am not sure what kind of Insurance they have, but if it cover's it or not it sure will be worth the expense to find out if that is the problem, Debbie *From:* Edy Rayfield edyrayfi...@sbcglobal.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:01 PM *Subject:* CSmigraines ** I recently read an article about Mg deficiency and migraines. Have you had your nieces Magnesium levels checked? The best way for this is intracellular, but you could start with serum. Tho the body everything it can to keep the blood balanced, to the disadvantage of the cells. It's done just like a DNA swab under the tongue. If you like I will look up the lab I did this with. Edy
Re: CSmigraines
Tiny I suppose. Or as large as can be easily taped there or stuck to a metal hair clip. I don't have my magnet book with me otherwise I would read the recopmmedation for migraines. I think some other people on this forum have Peter Kulishs book, they may chime in. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: I have the magne't what size? thanks tons Deb *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:13 PM *Subject:* Re: CSmigraines ** Magnesium oil on back of neck, cayenne under tongue, negative pole magnets on back on neck. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Thanks Edy...Her hubby is in the Navy so I am not sure what kind of Insurance they have, but if it cover's it or not it sure will be worth the expense to find out if that is the problem, Debbie *From:* Edy Rayfield edyrayfi...@sbcglobal.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:01 PM *Subject:* CSmigraines ** I recently read an article about Mg deficiency and migraines. Have you had your nieces Magnesium levels checked? The best way for this is intracellular, but you could start with serum. Tho the body everything it can to keep the blood balanced, to the disadvantage of the cells. It's done just like a DNA swab under the tongue. If you like I will look up the lab I did this with. Edy **
Re: CSmigraines
Ask her where she feels the migraine starting. It can be the base of the skull , but some people perhaps experience elswhere. That is where I would put them. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 7:15 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Tiny I suppose. Or as large as can be easily taped there or stuck to a metal hair clip. I don't have my magnet book with me otherwise I would read the recopmmedation for migraines. I think some other people on this forum have Peter Kulishs book, they may chime in. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: I have the magne't what size? thanks tons Deb *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:13 PM *Subject:* Re: CSmigraines ** Magnesium oil on back of neck, cayenne under tongue, negative pole magnets on back on neck. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Thanks Edy...Her hubby is in the Navy so I am not sure what kind of Insurance they have, but if it cover's it or not it sure will be worth the expense to find out if that is the problem, Debbie *From:* Edy Rayfield edyrayfi...@sbcglobal.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:01 PM *Subject:* CSmigraines ** I recently read an article about Mg deficiency and migraines. Have you had your nieces Magnesium levels checked? The best way for this is intracellular, but you could start with serum. Tho the body everything it can to keep the blood balanced, to the disadvantage of the cells. It's done just like a DNA swab under the tongue. If you like I will look up the lab I did this with. Edy **
Re: CSHeadache
Yes, I was thinking that too. That is what aggravates my back of the neck pain a lot, then it starts radiating. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: I get headaches when my posture is not correct specially at spine area. Since she is pregnant, the weight of her belly might be affecting her spine too. Please tell her to make sure her shoulder, neck/nape, and back area are in proper position and don't try to slouch. Melly
Re: CSwater alkalizers and silver
Actually, the study showed reduced urine pH, indicating more efficient elimination of acidic waste products, thereby alkalizing the body. One approach to alkalizing is to accelerate the rate of ingestion of alkaline material such a bicarbonate. A second approach is to accelerate the rate of elimination of acids. That is what magnetized water does. The company you linked to that sells the magnetizer products I am sure is affiliated with Peter Kulish who happens to have also been involved in the study I am referring to: http://greenmagnetfoundation.org/magnetized_water_on_kidney_function There is a Dr. Lam who claims that magnetized water eventually almost normalizes high uric acid in people with kidney failure. I recently advised someone with kidney failure to start it, and their next blood test did show urea reduced by like 40 points. It could have been responsible, though he was doing other things too. An interesting thing about accelerating the elimination of acids is that there is no way you can possibly overdo it. Your body knows what needs to get eliminated. But with ingesting alkaline material, there is theoretically a way to overdo it. David On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Evan Jones evanj.ba...@gmail.com wrote: 5/17/12, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com queried: Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a confounding variable with Colloidal Silver (CS)? Meaning the declustered water could improve detox, making it responsible for part of the health improvements in some people? Good question. There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being removed. .. sounds like an interesting study .. I think you meant to say an *increased* pH (e.g. from 7 to 8)? Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters. Yes, this appears to be the case; there are companies that sell water magnetizers for HVAC cooling towers, that allows the tower cooling water to operate at higher than normal levels of dissolved solids, without the risk of scale depositing on the heat transfer surfaces. Typically after magnetizer units are installed, the scale within the system will start to rehydrate, as this occurs, conductivity /tds and ph will start to rise ( in boilers, efficiency should also go up slightly). If the system is not blown down or flushed out, the water will soon become very mineral rich soup or mud. This can not only burn out pumps, but also start to re-scale. However, if the system is monitored properly and the conductivity is held in the proper ranges, the system will reach maximum efficiency . When the system is finally cleaned out, the blow down procedures can actually be reduced, thereby saving water and energy. Jon Barron once ran some experiments on magnetizing water. See Magnets and the Bioavailability of Water. http://www.jonbarron.org/natural-health/water-bioavailability-magnets Mike Monet's last post pointed out that the concentrations of CS in the body are so dilute that some other factor must be at play. Dr Majid Ali is fond of administering tiny quantities of dilute hydrogen peroxide to patients, using IV drips. He claims to have treated 3,000 patients. He offers a complex explanation of how H2O2 may work in the Oct, 2004 issue of Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients: Hydrogen peroxide therapies: recent insights into oxystatic and antimicrobial actions http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_255/ai_n7637380/ I came to H2O2 via a highly successful experience treating a bout of acute bronchitis using mega doses of IV Vitamin C. But sadly, here in SE Asia, the lobbying powers of Big Farma have made it almost impossible to get the liquid infusable sodium ascorbate or to find a practitioner to willing administer the drip. So, to keep bronchitis at bay, I now nebulize H2O2 (in tiny amounts), (in lieu of IV vitamin C). Nebulizing is easy to do at home. It appears to work, as I haven't had a lung infection since taking up regular sessions of nebulized H2O2 nearly a year ago. Vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide seem to have similar mechanisms of oxidative therapeutic action. Is it possible that CS works by similar means? David AuBuchon postulated that: So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and not infection killing? Infection killing is the easier mental model for me to understand. i.e. We all carry an unwanted microbial load of hidden chronic infections, By reducing the infectious load, we free up our immune system to prioritize other health issues. Have a look at the ideas of Russel Farris, who owns a list called infection-corti...@yahoogroups.com and a brief and highly readable website www.polymicrobial.com (have a look, you can get through Russell's innovative
Re: CSwater alkalizers and silver
I means uric acid reduced by 40 points On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the study showed reduced urine pH, indicating more efficient elimination of acidic waste products, thereby alkalizing the body. One approach to alkalizing is to accelerate the rate of ingestion of alkaline material such a bicarbonate. A second approach is to accelerate the rate of elimination of acids. That is what magnetized water does. The company you linked to that sells the magnetizer products I am sure is affiliated with Peter Kulish who happens to have also been involved in the study I am referring to: http://greenmagnetfoundation.org/magnetized_water_on_kidney_function There is a Dr. Lam who claims that magnetized water eventually almost normalizes high uric acid in people with kidney failure. I recently advised someone with kidney failure to start it, and their next blood test did show urea reduced by like 40 points. It could have been responsible, though he was doing other things too. An interesting thing about accelerating the elimination of acids is that there is no way you can possibly overdo it. Your body knows what needs to get eliminated. But with ingesting alkaline material, there is theoretically a way to overdo it. David On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Evan Jones evanj.ba...@gmail.com wrote: 5/17/12, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com queried: Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a confounding variable with Colloidal Silver (CS)? Meaning the declustered water could improve detox, making it responsible for part of the health improvements in some people? Good question. There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being removed. .. sounds like an interesting study .. I think you meant to say an *increased* pH (e.g. from 7 to 8)? Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters. Yes, this appears to be the case; there are companies that sell water magnetizers for HVAC cooling towers, that allows the tower cooling water to operate at higher than normal levels of dissolved solids, without the risk of scale depositing on the heat transfer surfaces. Typically after magnetizer units are installed, the scale within the system will start to rehydrate, as this occurs, conductivity /tds and ph will start to rise ( in boilers, efficiency should also go up slightly). If the system is not blown down or flushed out, the water will soon become very mineral rich soup or mud. This can not only burn out pumps, but also start to re-scale. However, if the system is monitored properly and the conductivity is held in the proper ranges, the system will reach maximum efficiency . When the system is finally cleaned out, the blow down procedures can actually be reduced, thereby saving water and energy. Jon Barron once ran some experiments on magnetizing water. See Magnets and the Bioavailability of Water. http://www.jonbarron.org/natural-health/water-bioavailability-magnets Mike Monet's last post pointed out that the concentrations of CS in the body are so dilute that some other factor must be at play. Dr Majid Ali is fond of administering tiny quantities of dilute hydrogen peroxide to patients, using IV drips. He claims to have treated 3,000 patients. He offers a complex explanation of how H2O2 may work in the Oct, 2004 issue of Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients: Hydrogen peroxide therapies: recent insights into oxystatic and antimicrobial actions http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_255/ai_n7637380/ I came to H2O2 via a highly successful experience treating a bout of acute bronchitis using mega doses of IV Vitamin C. But sadly, here in SE Asia, the lobbying powers of Big Farma have made it almost impossible to get the liquid infusable sodium ascorbate or to find a practitioner to willing administer the drip. So, to keep bronchitis at bay, I now nebulize H2O2 (in tiny amounts), (in lieu of IV vitamin C). Nebulizing is easy to do at home. It appears to work, as I haven't had a lung infection since taking up regular sessions of nebulized H2O2 nearly a year ago. Vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide seem to have similar mechanisms of oxidative therapeutic action. Is it possible that CS works by similar means? David AuBuchon postulated that: So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and not infection killing? Infection killing is the easier mental model for me to understand. i.e. We all carry an unwanted microbial load of hidden chronic infections, By reducing the infectious load, we free up our immune system to prioritize other health issues. Have a look at the ideas of Russel Farris, who owns a list called infection
Re: CSwater alkalizers and silver
I think I got my tests mixed up...anyway one of those tests looked a lot better - to the tune of 40 points. On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:00 AM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I means uric acid reduced by 40 points On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:59 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the study showed reduced urine pH, indicating more efficient elimination of acidic waste products, thereby alkalizing the body. One approach to alkalizing is to accelerate the rate of ingestion of alkaline material such a bicarbonate. A second approach is to accelerate the rate of elimination of acids. That is what magnetized water does. The company you linked to that sells the magnetizer products I am sure is affiliated with Peter Kulish who happens to have also been involved in the study I am referring to: http://greenmagnetfoundation.org/magnetized_water_on_kidney_function There is a Dr. Lam who claims that magnetized water eventually almost normalizes high uric acid in people with kidney failure. I recently advised someone with kidney failure to start it, and their next blood test did show urea reduced by like 40 points. It could have been responsible, though he was doing other things too. An interesting thing about accelerating the elimination of acids is that there is no way you can possibly overdo it. Your body knows what needs to get eliminated. But with ingesting alkaline material, there is theoretically a way to overdo it. David On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Evan Jones evanj.ba...@gmail.com wrote: 5/17/12, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com queried: Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a confounding variable with Colloidal Silver (CS)? Meaning the declustered water could improve detox, making it responsible for part of the health improvements in some people? Good question. There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being removed. .. sounds like an interesting study .. I think you meant to say an *increased* pH (e.g. from 7 to 8)? Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters. Yes, this appears to be the case; there are companies that sell water magnetizers for HVAC cooling towers, that allows the tower cooling water to operate at higher than normal levels of dissolved solids, without the risk of scale depositing on the heat transfer surfaces. Typically after magnetizer units are installed, the scale within the system will start to rehydrate, as this occurs, conductivity /tds and ph will start to rise ( in boilers, efficiency should also go up slightly). If the system is not blown down or flushed out, the water will soon become very mineral rich soup or mud. This can not only burn out pumps, but also start to re-scale. However, if the system is monitored properly and the conductivity is held in the proper ranges, the system will reach maximum efficiency . When the system is finally cleaned out, the blow down procedures can actually be reduced, thereby saving water and energy. Jon Barron once ran some experiments on magnetizing water. See Magnets and the Bioavailability of Water. http://www.jonbarron.org/natural-health/water-bioavailability-magnets Mike Monet's last post pointed out that the concentrations of CS in the body are so dilute that some other factor must be at play. Dr Majid Ali is fond of administering tiny quantities of dilute hydrogen peroxide to patients, using IV drips. He claims to have treated 3,000 patients. He offers a complex explanation of how H2O2 may work in the Oct, 2004 issue of Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients: Hydrogen peroxide therapies: recent insights into oxystatic and antimicrobial actions http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_255/ai_n7637380/ I came to H2O2 via a highly successful experience treating a bout of acute bronchitis using mega doses of IV Vitamin C. But sadly, here in SE Asia, the lobbying powers of Big Farma have made it almost impossible to get the liquid infusable sodium ascorbate or to find a practitioner to willing administer the drip. So, to keep bronchitis at bay, I now nebulize H2O2 (in tiny amounts), (in lieu of IV vitamin C). Nebulizing is easy to do at home. It appears to work, as I haven't had a lung infection since taking up regular sessions of nebulized H2O2 nearly a year ago. Vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide seem to have similar mechanisms of oxidative therapeutic action. Is it possible that CS works by similar means? David AuBuchon postulated that: So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and not infection killing? Infection killing is the easier mental model for me to understand. i.e. We all carry an unwanted microbial load of hidden chronic
Re: CSMagnets increase solubility - an application with CS
That is interesting. Well, that leads to another idea. If magnets can cause ions to migrate, that could possibly be used to make a super high ion concentration product. Picture a mason jar with CS with a strong magnets on the bottom. Imagine if the magnets caused the ions to migrate to the bottom of the jar. One could then take a syringe and suck off the top 90% of the water very slowly. That 90% of the CS can be reprocessed to make more CS. But that last 10% could be up to 10 times more concentrated assuming all the ions where there. Then say you let it settle some more and hopefully the ions huddle in closer to the magnet again. Then yo such off another 90% of the water. This leaves 1/100th the original volume (just 10ml). But who knows. Could one get 1000PPM EIS that way? Or perhaps silver would plate out by the magnet? Or perhaps a better approach would be put the magnet on the top of the jar, and then use a syringe to remove the separate the 10% with the ions at the top? Just dreaming. David And might as well hear what Mike M. had to say magnets: When you move charges in a magnetic field, a force is generated that wants to move the charges at right angles to the field. Positive ions would go one way, negative ions would go the opposite direction. If the field is uniform, they end up wanting to go in circles. This is called the Lorentz force and is an extremely important topic for anything to do with electromagnetism. You can see the direction the charge wants to move by scolling down to the second figure where it start with Trajectory of a particle.. in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force The problem is the force that is generated is proportional to the velocity of the charges. Since the drift velocity is so slow in a cs brew, the force is negligible, and the magnet would have little effect. David On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: I have some information that might help but am not sure how it fits. When I first started making CS, I was making 5 ppm by the HVAC method. The CS was run through a tube and a water energizer, which is nothing more than a strong magnet with a hole through its center. What it did I really don't know, just seemed like a good idea at the time. When I disassembled the machine a few years later I noticed that the clear tubing was clear everywhere except where it had gone through the magnet. There the inside surface had a mirror like coating of silver. So strong magnetic fields do have some effect on CS, but beyond that I don't know. Marshall On 5/16/2012 7:04 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: I think perhaps strapping on magnets during CS brewing could improve some things. FYI, I just did an experiment where I dissolved 4.5 times the practical limit of solubility of sodium ascorbate by strapping positive pole magnets to the water! Magnets definitely change the properties of the water. I believe this could possibly be used to increase the ratio of silver ions to particles, as well as increase the absolute ion content in our brews. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMagnets increase solubility - an application with CS
I think perhaps strapping on magnets during CS brewing could improve some things. FYI, I just did an experiment where I dissolved 4.5 times the practical limit of solubility of sodium ascorbate by strapping positive pole magnets to the water! Magnets definitely change the properties of the water. I believe this could possibly be used to increase the ratio of silver ions to particles, as well as increase the absolute ion content in our brews. Copying this discussion from another forum: Here is how I see it. You strap positive poles and 4 sides of the mason jar. You add your distilled water and start brewing. The distilled water could have already been positive charged before hand as well. Silver ions start coming into the water. Two cases: case 1: If the magnets have no effect on the silver ions movement, then all we have is lower surface tension water which makes things dissolve more easily. AgOH molecules are formed at the electrodes by whatever explanations we care to make. These molecules clump together and form particles, which represent about 10% of the total mass of silver. AgOH is soluble in water at 13PPM. The more we are able to increase this solubility, the more chance these AgOH will have chance to dissolve again before clumping and forming particles. So that means the first benefit magnets may provide is that a higher percentage of the silver be end up in ions and a lower percentage may end up in particles. The second benefit is that we may be able to reach a higher absolute value of silver ions as we are trying to do with the SilverCell process. We are forced to call it quits when the rate at which silver ions are entering solution becomes equal to the rate at which AgOH is irreversibly forming. If the magnets can encourage some AgOH to dissolve again by increasing its solubility, then this effectively decreasese the rate at which AgOH is irreversibly forming. This raises the roof on who much silver ions we can force into solution. case 2: In this case, let us assume magnets can alter the movement of silver ions. I have no idea whether or not it can. But if Mike's comments are true, perhaps silver ions may just move here and there. So what if they? Let silver ions move wherever they want. I am not sure what that would be a problem. So in this case, I still think the two benefits I cited in case 1 would still hold. Then we consider what happens after finishing the brew. You now have a solution of super high concentration silver ions in water that is positively charged. I do not know anything about whether we want negative or positive, but let us assume we want negative (I am just infering form Peter's comments). We used positive during brewing to allow for greatest solubilities. Now we switch the poles to negatively charge the water prior to ingestion. The question is whether or not any of the ions will precipitate out? I am quite sure the answer is no. There does not exist any known theoretical limit of solubility of silver ions! The solubility limit of silver ions are not what limit our ability to put silver ions in solution. A bunch on totally unrelated technical issues is what limits our ability to do so. So I think that yes, you could then negatively charge the colloidal silver. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSbrewing using magnets
So I just did an experiment where I apparently could dissolve triple the the amount of sodium bicarbonate and ascorbic acid in distilled water due to the addition of taping strong negative pole magnets to the side of the cup for 2 days prior to adding chemicals, and during the addition as well. I am quite surprised. One wonders if there would be any advantagous effects to magnetized water before, as well as during, brewing CS? David
Re: CSwater alkalizers and silver
Does regular electrolysis break up water clusters, thus possibly making a confounding variable with CS? Meaning the declustered water could improve detox, making it responsible for part of the health improvements in some people? There is a study showing greatly reduced pH of people drinking magnetized water as compared to regular water, indicating more acidic wastes being removed. Magnetized water presumably works also by breaking up clusters. So improvements with CS therapy could possibly be in part due to detox and not infection killing? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote: You CS is already half alkaline water...except for whatever part of it that has made silver hydroxide. Ode At 09:59 PM 5/14/2012 -0700, you wrote: Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that to brew CS. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: I think if that were the case then someone would already be doing it. Once the material is saturated the water shouldn’t flow across at all, so it’s actually a block, I would think. Whereas any size opening, without a block, would admit water through as a flow, even if it was very narrow. Samala, Renee From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.comaubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?
Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Mike, You are obviously very intelligent and well-read. And presumably a well meaning person. But you cherry pick data and have very selective vision. You were just talking about other planes and spiritual experiences as being real phenomena. But intention affecting water is clearly blasphemous in your mind. This these are both ludicrous at the surface, to accept one and reject the other is inconsistent. There are many people who know too much about theory. They become too narrow minded to even consider that an observation in contradiction with theory could possibly be true. They won't even look at it! As Marshall rightly said, some are not even willing to look through the telescope. When observations consistently do not tally with theory, one should be unbiased and entertain the possibility that theory is wrong. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate. You know how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access to one long enough. The only way you can change the spectrum of distilled water is to put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical matter. It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or any non-physical thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire. If you are presenting data and claiming it is the result of these things, then you are faking the data. There is no place in this forum for that behavior. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSwater alkalizers and silver
Do DIY alkalizers like this really work? http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Alkalizer-or-Ioniser-for-5/?ALLSTEPS Sounds like a big money saver over commerical products. Assuming they have value to begin with. Also, if one used silver electrodes instead, and distilled water, and removed the sponge in the middle, what would be the result? (assuming suitable parts to avoid significant contamination were available). The sponge is presumably to prevent the remixing of the water on either side. But that would destroy any possibility of getting abundant silver ions. David
Re: CSwater alkalizers and silver
Excellent find Renee. Thanks for that info. Yes, that is certainly a reasonable markup. I think he probably deserves it. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: You always have to have something in the middle to keep the flow of water ‘out’ of the other container. Some use sponges, some use pure cotton wadded up, some use chamois cloth. Since one container is acid and one alkaline water, if they were to flow across and mix freely you wouldn’t have acid or alkaline—it may easily be neutral. But you do need something that allows the current to flow across—hence the filter in between. ** ** There’s some good videos on making your own alkalizer, one place where you can buy a nice looking set up for around $150 but all of these suggest stainless steel or titanium. Titanium is actually better, but according to this site http://www.freshandalive.com/fresh_and_alive_content/products-ionizer-fna-2g.htm you should really get platinum coated titanium, which can be hard to source. He shows a vid of ‘plain’ titanium being etched away by this electric process. ** ** The image he shows of the titanium in the vid is a long half-pipe looking piece, yet the close up on his actually for-sale machine looks like a little one inch piece. I wrote him asking about this discrepancy and he said the long pipe was to show how much the titanium got eaten away along the edges, and that the coated small piece will NEVER wear out—because I had asked him about replacement times. ** ** So it would seem to me that for the money from his site you’d actually be getting the best device, plus I’m thinking you could use these coated titanium pieces and the electric plug for making a foot bath device. Yeah, you’d have to clean the electrodes VERY good, but—since the coated electrodes never wear out you’d be getting 2 devices for pretty much one price. For the foot baths all you’d need to buy would be 2 plastic shoe boxes. Seems like a good deal. ** ** Supposedly the cost for his unit is because of the coated titanium. I think this may be true because as I searched around for a supply for the coated titanium all I could find was 1 inch pieces (which is what his looks like) at $65 each—so that’s 130 just in the titanium. So less than a hundred for the containers, the plug in and the cotton wad filter. You could probably find these things for cheaper, but if someone didn’t want to mess gathering parts from all over his is the best deal out there. The $150 one uses titanium, if I remember right, but it’s not coated and eventually you’ll have to replace the electrodes. ** ** Samala, Renee ** ** *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Do DIY alkalizers like this really work? http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Alkalizer-or-Ioniser-for-5/?ALLSTEPS Sounds like a big money saver over commerical products. Assuming they have value to begin with.
Re: CSwater alkalizers and silver
Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes? On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Excellent find Renee. Thanks for that info. Yes, that is certainly a reasonable markup. I think he probably deserves it. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: You always have to have something in the middle to keep the flow of water ‘out’ of the other container. Some use sponges, some use pure cotton wadded up, some use chamois cloth. Since one container is acid and one alkaline water, if they were to flow across and mix freely you wouldn’t have acid or alkaline—it may easily be neutral. But you do need something that allows the current to flow across—hence the filter in between. ** ** There’s some good videos on making your own alkalizer, one place where you can buy a nice looking set up for around $150 but all of these suggest stainless steel or titanium. Titanium is actually better, but according to this site http://www.freshandalive.com/fresh_and_alive_content/products-ionizer-fna-2g.htm you should really get platinum coated titanium, which can be hard to source. He shows a vid of ‘plain’ titanium being etched away by this electric process. ** ** The image he shows of the titanium in the vid is a long half-pipe looking piece, yet the close up on his actually for-sale machine looks like a little one inch piece. I wrote him asking about this discrepancy and he said the long pipe was to show how much the titanium got eaten away along the edges, and that the coated small piece will NEVER wear out—because I had asked him about replacement times. ** ** So it would seem to me that for the money from his site you’d actually be getting the best device, plus I’m thinking you could use these coated titanium pieces and the electric plug for making a foot bath device. Yeah, you’d have to clean the electrodes VERY good, but—since the coated electrodes never wear out you’d be getting 2 devices for pretty much one price. For the foot baths all you’d need to buy would be 2 plastic shoe boxes. Seems like a good deal. ** ** Supposedly the cost for his unit is because of the coated titanium. I think this may be true because as I searched around for a supply for the coated titanium all I could find was 1 inch pieces (which is what his looks like) at $65 each—so that’s 130 just in the titanium. So less than a hundred for the containers, the plug in and the cotton wad filter. You could probably find these things for cheaper, but if someone didn’t want to mess gathering parts from all over his is the best deal out there. The $150 one uses titanium, if I remember right, but it’s not coated and eventually you’ll have to replace the electrodes. ** ** Samala, Renee ** ** *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Do DIY alkalizers like this really work? http://www.instructables.com/id/Water-Alkalizer-or-Ioniser-for-5/?ALLSTEPS Sounds like a big money saver over commerical products. Assuming they have value to begin with.
Re: CSwater alkalizers and silver
Anyhow, I suppose one could run DW through an alkalizer and then use that to brew CS. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: I think if that were the case then someone would already be doing it. Once the material is saturated the water shouldn’t flow across at all, so it’s actually a block, I would think. Whereas any size opening, without a block, would admit water through as a flow, even if it was very narrow. * *** ** ** Samala, Renee ** ** *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] ** ** Perhaps if you omitted the sponge, but made the connecting tube rally narrow, that the electrolysis would outpace the mixing of the water, and some distinct product could be produced with silver electrodes?
Re: CSLyme disease
Never. Your case is very complex. You are still not accepting what you are up against. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Rodney Samuelson rsamuels...@cox.netwrote: ** ** ** ** I make and consume 1 qt per day at 14 ppm. How many years will it take? Rod at cell 860-881-3734 ** **
Re: Cooking was // Re: CSRemoving Silver Tarnish
Did Mike even do some basic google searching to confirm there is no evidence microwaves have negative health effects? No, it appears not. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: Give me a break..I will never believe that microwaveing food is not bad...fear has nothing to do with it. I'm sorry I even wasted my time trying. It won't happen again. Your keyboard is using too many periods per sentence. Pretty soon you won't have any left. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMacular Degeneration
Dear Mike, Electromagnetic fields can definitely affect microbes. There are you tube videos of paramecium just disintegrating into 1,000s of pieces within seconds upon being exposed to specific harmonic frequencies simultaneously. The rife machine they used was the GB4000. I can't find the links at the moment, but they are there. Aside from that, anyone who has lyme disease will sure as hell tell you that 432hz makes you herx. It is so reliable I use it as a diagnostic tool to diagnose my misdiagnosed friends who don't believe they have lyme. People with lyme herx. Everyone else feels nothing. Many people have recovered from lyme with rife machines. David On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Nenah Sylver Mon, 07 May 2012 18:16:27 -0700 Sol and everyone, My new website has an article I wrote that appeared in the Townsend Letter; was reprinted in Nexus in English, Nexus in German, and in Korean; and eventually made its way in a slightly different form into my Rife Handbook as Appendix C. It's called Healing with Electromedicine and Sound Therapies and can be downloaded free as a pdf file here: http://www.nenahsylver.com/free-electromedicine-article.html I mention this because it discusses laser and LED therapy, and once you read this you'll understand the principles about using LEDs on closed eyelids (and lasers not at all on the eyes). Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD Nenah, I am an engineer with over 50 years of experience in electromagnetic fields. I did not finish reading your paper. I stopped at your discussion of Rife technology. Here are some problems you do not address: 1. A bacteria is immersed in a plasma that has a certain dielectric constant. The bacteria encloses a plasma that has a similar dielectric constant. An incoming electric field cannot distinguish the boundary between the two. There will be negligible force against the wall of the bacteria. This means you cannot shake the bacteria with an applied electric field. 2. There is no resonant frequency that will affect bacteria. Bacteria are not solid brittle things like glass. They cannot be shaken at some resonant frequency and fall apart or break. This is called damping, and it is a very important engineering principle. It is what makes your shock absorbers function. If you have ever tried to drive a car that has no shock absorbers, you will quickly end up in the ditch. Bacteria are very well damped. 3. High frequencies travel on the outside of a body. This is called skin effect. The energy falls off quickly as you try to penetrate the flesh. This is why it is so difficult to contact nuclear submarines. We have a similar salt content to the ocean. Not exact, but close. 4. The harmonics of a signal fall off very quickly with harmonic number. There is negligible energy at the frequencies that might affect bacteria. The combination of skin effect and harmonic loss assures that no bacteria will ever be harmed by applying a signal external to a body. 5. If there were any effect from an applied field, it would also affect mammal cells. This is an important issue if you are trying to kill cancer cells. If you could get the penetration needed to affect pathogens or cancer cells, you would also kill the cells you are trying to protect. There is no way to avoid this. Rife technology does not require the AMA or other institutions to kill it. It only works for gullible individuals who may have more money than common sense. I am cetain your LED dissertation contains similar oversights. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
By the same arguments, one could ask where are all the studies on colloidal silver done by credible researchers? Oops. The funny thing about what constitutes objective proof, is that it is a subjective decision. David On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: Many seem to quote wikipedia, I doubt this source is all that reliable. I certainly wouldn't quote from it as any form of authority on subject matters such as these anyway, and I'm only a mug punter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from all my readings about Rife his *personal* researched material was destroyed, and his sidekicks attempted to duplicate from memory did they not? And I'm not exactly sure if *everything* he did was documented? Again from my readings, he failed to repeat his purported successes after the ruination of him and the destruction of his material. N. From: mrmon...@pstca.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 22:59:46 -0400 Hi Jason, No reputable researcher has been able to duplicate Royal Rife's results. From Wikipedia: Rife's claims could not be independently replicated, [5] and were ultimately discredited by the medical profession in the 1950s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rife Many of the claims attributed to Tesla never happened. None of Beck's claims that he made in the YouTube video have materialized. There is nothing you can do to change the fact electrons cannot flow in an electrolyte. A blood analysis doesn't mean much. It is a complex procedure that is easily derailed by poor technique or measurements. The fundamental proof is does it work? The answer is no. Most of the effects attributed to zappers can easily be explained by other factors. I am an expert in instrumentation design and analysis. My credentials are as follows: 1. I am a retired electronics engineer with over 50 years of experience in instrumentation and control systems. These are among the most difficult fields in electronics. 2. I had my own company from 1976 until I retired recently. 3. I have been awarded 6 US patents involving hard disk drives. My patent list is here: http://pstca.com/patents.htm The statements I made are obviously true and can be observed by anyone. These devices are not used in clinics or any place where their performance can be monitored and verified. There is no need to belittle contamination on the electrodes. It is a very real and significant problem. Ignoring it could cause you serious harm. I once got some kind of contamination on my silver electrodes when I laid them on my workbench and they must have touched a spot of oil or grease. I was so sick after taking cs made with these electrodes that it took three days in bed to recover. I now keep a second glass to hold the assembly while I am filling the cs generator with dw or emptying the cs, and I do not allow the electrodes to touch anything. Do not underestimate the danger of contamination. It can really harm you. There is no need to resort to dubious and overhyped gadgets when they have no effect on the most basic pathogen, viruses. There is no need to mess with a non-functional technology when a high quality ionic cs will vastly outperform any of the claims made by biased and undereducated individuals. Thanks, Mike Monett Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: Hi Ken: Beware of individuals claiming false expertise. First off, zappers were firsted tested by individuals such as Royal Rife and Nikola Tesla. These ideas were then eventually borrowed, with an attempt at a refinement, by individuals such as Bob Beck and Hulda Clark. Second, my experience is that the hulda clark type zapper is only marginally effective. However, for many individuals, marginally is enough to give the immune system enough support to recover. One of the problems with Hulda Clark type zappers is the actual waveform. Just like Royal Rife was working with very ineffective technology, most of the Hulda Clark zappers don't produce a true square wave form, which inhibits any potential effectiveness. A device such as the Godzilla is far more effective to treat localized conditions. When using one of the more technically correct and properly engineered zappers, the effectiveness is increased. However, as the saying goes, the pathogen is nothing and the bioterrain is everything. For severe chronic systemic infections, the best one can hope for using anti-pathogenic devices and substances is to help keep the bloodstream clean and support the immune system, and thus improve the body's own ability to address infections. As far as electrodes, use an extremely clean cloth moistened with a high grade sea salt solution. Being concerned about the adsorption of metals through such
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Does exposing EIS to sun reduce ions to particles?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote:
Questions/Comments:
1. In addition to adding H202 after the ascorbic acid, what difference
(if any) might there be if one first added H2O2 and added the ascorbic acid
second?
2. If I am not mistake, ascorbic acid could sneakily fit the definition
of a carbohydrate ? This may give more insight to what the SilverLungs
person uses. But he called it a custom blended carbohydrate which would
imply more than one ingredient. Though he could have added 1 carbon atom
perhaps.
3. I may try both vit C and peroxide with the 100uS brew I have. If this
works, then we have (at least in theory) a means of making silver ions at
concentrations with no theoretical limit (via ultra low current), and then
making high PPM colloidal suspensions by reducing those brews. The home
brewer could then do it all if someone developed the method enough.
David
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote:
How thick am I? Sorry, wasn't following the dates, as you were.
N.
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Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:11:30 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
I would have to make some more, that was done back in 2010, and I no
longer have it.
Marshall
On 5/1/2012 7:27 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Additional question Marshall...
Could you report back on this in 4 weeks time {middle or end of next
month, June} and let me know if there is any settlement observable please.
N.
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 00:23:01 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
On 3/12/2010 10:53 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
Very light yellow. It is more turpid than with color, leading me to
believe that the particles are very small so they are absorbing
primarily in the uv region and only lightly in the blue, but still
sufficient in quantity to cause a good bit of reflection of light and
thus the tremendous Tyndall. After two days it is still stable.
Marshall
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
And if ascorbic acid makes metallic silver, then what is silver ascorbate?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:21 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote:
Does exposing EIS to sun reduce ions to particles?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote:
Questions/Comments:
1. In addition to adding H202 after the ascorbic acid, what difference
(if any) might there be if one first added H2O2 and added the ascorbic acid
second?
2. If I am not mistake, ascorbic acid could sneakily fit the definition
of a carbohydrate ? This may give more insight to what the SilverLungs
person uses. But he called it a custom blended carbohydrate which would
imply more than one ingredient. Though he could have added 1 carbon atom
perhaps.
3. I may try both vit C and peroxide with the 100uS brew I have. If
this works, then we have (at least in theory) a means of making silver ions
at concentrations with no theoretical limit (via ultra low current), and
then making high PPM colloidal suspensions by reducing those brews. The
home brewer could then do it all if someone developed the method enough.
David
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote:
How thick am I? Sorry, wasn't following the dates, as you were.
N.
--
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:11:30 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
I would have to make some more, that was done back in 2010, and I no
longer have it.
Marshall
On 5/1/2012 7:27 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Additional question Marshall...
Could you report back on this in 4 weeks time {middle or end of next
month, June} and let me know if there is any settlement observable please.
N.
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 00:23:01 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
On 3/12/2010 10:53 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
Very light yellow. It is more turpid than with color, leading me to
believe that the particles are very small so they are absorbing
primarily in the uv region and only lightly in the blue, but still
sufficient in quantity to cause a good bit of reflection of light
and
thus the tremendous Tyndall. After two days it is still stable.
Marshall
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Mixed vitamin C with about 14 PPM EIS. Clear. Laser pointer broken, so
can't observe Tyndall.
Mixed vitamin C with about 100PPM EIS. White milky color. Did not clear
up.
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:29 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote:
And if ascorbic acid makes metallic silver, then what is silver ascorbate?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:21 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote:
Does exposing EIS to sun reduce ions to particles?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote:
Questions/Comments:
1. In addition to adding H202 after the ascorbic acid, what difference
(if any) might there be if one first added H2O2 and added the ascorbic acid
second?
2. If I am not mistake, ascorbic acid could sneakily fit the definition
of a carbohydrate ? This may give more insight to what the SilverLungs
person uses. But he called it a custom blended carbohydrate which would
imply more than one ingredient. Though he could have added 1 carbon atom
perhaps.
3. I may try both vit C and peroxide with the 100uS brew I have. If
this works, then we have (at least in theory) a means of making silver ions
at concentrations with no theoretical limit (via ultra low current), and
then making high PPM colloidal suspensions by reducing those brews. The
home brewer could then do it all if someone developed the method enough.
David
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote:
How thick am I? Sorry, wasn't following the dates, as you were.
N.
--
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:11:30 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
I would have to make some more, that was done back in 2010, and I no
longer have it.
Marshall
On 5/1/2012 7:27 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Additional question Marshall...
Could you report back on this in 4 weeks time {middle or end of next
month, June} and let me know if there is any settlement observable please.
N.
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 00:23:01 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
On 3/12/2010 10:53 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
Very light yellow. It is more turpid than with color, leading me to
believe that the particles are very small so they are absorbing
primarily in the uv region and only lightly in the blue, but still
sufficient in quantity to cause a good bit of reflection of light
and
thus the tremendous Tyndall. After two days it is still stable.
Marshall
Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
Questions/Comments:
1. In addition to adding H202 after the ascorbic acid, what difference (if
any) might there be if one first added H2O2 and added the ascorbic acid
second?
2. If I am not mistake, ascorbic acid could sneakily fit the definition of
a carbohydrate ? This may give more insight to what the SilverLungs
person uses. But he called it a custom blended carbohydrate which would
imply more than one ingredient. Though he could have added 1 carbon atom
perhaps.
3. I may try both vit C and peroxide with the 100uS brew I have. If this
works, then we have (at least in theory) a means of making silver ions at
concentrations with no theoretical limit (via ultra low current), and then
making high PPM colloidal suspensions by reducing those brews. The home
brewer could then do it all if someone developed the method enough.
David
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
How thick am I? Sorry, wasn't following the dates, as you were.
N.
--
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:11:30 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
I would have to make some more, that was done back in 2010, and I no
longer have it.
Marshall
On 5/1/2012 7:27 AM, Neville Munn wrote:
Additional question Marshall...
Could you report back on this in 4 weeks time {middle or end of next
month, June} and let me know if there is any settlement observable please.
N.
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 00:23:01 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking 100% colloidal EIS
On 3/12/2010 10:53 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
Very light yellow. It is more turpid than with color, leading me to
believe that the particles are very small so they are absorbing
primarily in the uv region and only lightly in the blue, but still
sufficient in quantity to cause a good bit of reflection of light and
thus the tremendous Tyndall. After two days it is still stable.
Marshall
Re: CSTreating Lyme Disease with Collodial Silver
Make it yourself with any generator for much cheaper. Can take much more that way too. You won't find many people here who think mesosilver is particularly any better than what you can make at home yourself. Approximately 15PPM, working up from just like a tsp dose, all the way up to 8 fl. oz. twice a day (16 fl oz total a day) is the dosage I would suggest. You only increase the dose as herxes allow. Always have as minor a herx as possible. Stronger herxes do not help you get better faster. David On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Danny Matthews dannymatthew...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have Lyme disease and am looking into using Colloidal Silver as a treatment. I've been looking into the different products available and as far as I understand it MesoSilver (http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver_price_list.php) is one of the best products of it's type on the market. I was wondering if anybody with experience of using CS with Lyme would be able to give me some idea of daily dosage and how long I should be taking it for? Many thanks for any help you can give :). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTreating Lyme Disease with Collodial Silver
Some people are super infected, and just need to go at their own pace. Everyone is different. That is the great thing about CS with lyme and co - everyone can tolerate, it is just a matter of finding the right dose. Even that may mean diluting 1 drop of CS even further. Antibiotics do not have this leisure with regards to dosing, so if people can't tolerate the minimum dose of the abx, they are just asked to tough it out! CS I think is the perfect first pass for these infections. David On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Diana Clock dianacl...@ymail.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone else has noticed the silver being too much even at 1/2 teas a day for a 16 yr old. We use 30ppm by ASAP from our llmd office and I also make my own. We have been using it for 3 mths at this dose and using a rife machine. Within 20 min of a bit under a 1/2 teas he was feeling worse Thanks Sent from my iPad On Apr 29, 2012, at 5:21 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Make it yourself with any generator for much cheaper. Can take much more that way too. You won't find many people here who think mesosilver is particularly any better than what you can make at home yourself. Approximately 15PPM, working up from just like a tsp dose, all the way up to 8 fl. oz. twice a day (16 fl oz total a day) is the dosage I would suggest. You only increase the dose as herxes allow. Always have as minor a herx as possible. Stronger herxes do not help you get better faster. David On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Danny Matthews dannymatthew...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have Lyme disease and am looking into using Colloidal Silver as a treatment. I've been looking into the different products available and as far as I understand it MesoSilver (http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver_price_list.php) is one of the best products of it's type on the market. I was wondering if anybody with experience of using CS with Lyme would be able to give me some idea of daily dosage and how long I should be taking it for? Many thanks for any help you can give :). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSchelation therapy costs
Heavy Metal Detox. It is chlorella growth factor plus cilantro, plus some homeopathic stuff. Has a study on their website. If you google shop for it, it is a pretty cost effective option from the cheapest stores. David On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: What's HMD? -Original Message- From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSchelation therapy costs total zeolite, liposomal glutathione, a hard to find cheap liposomal EDTA (one does exist though), HMD, trace minerals. All oral. Cheaper and easier than IV. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:13 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: I did 20 IV Chelations in Los Algodones, Mexico in 1995. Cost was $50 per IV. Then I did 10 IV Chelations per year until the last 3 years as maintenance. The result was shown by before and after blood tests each year. My first Chelation removed 17 kidney stones and lots of plaque, which I verified by using a kidney stone strainer. So for me I know what it does. Lately I use a do it yourself system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63THl-eNJQ. I have not verified this method with blood tests or used my strainer to check. To get good results I had to increase my urine flow to at least 32 ounces per day. I had to drink parsley tea to increase urine flow. As the kidneys must get rid of anything broken loose by Chelation. One guy had junk broken loose that lodged in his eye, loosing his sight in that eye. He said that showed him to take more Chelations. Lately my blood pressure is increasing, Chelations used to lower my blood pressure, so I better try more do it yourself Chelations. I also bought oral Chelation pills.If you do it yourself Chelation you need to add vitamin C plus any other vitamin you take as Chelation removes both the good with the bad. Brickey c In a message dated 4/24/2012 5:02:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kenancy2...@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have experience with chelation therapy? How much does it cost? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSchelation therapy costs
total zeolite, liposomal glutathione, a hard to find cheap liposomal EDTA (one does exist though), HMD, trace minerals. All oral. Cheaper and easier than IV. On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:13 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: I did 20 IV Chelations in Los Algodones, Mexico in 1995. Cost was $50 per IV. Then I did 10 IV Chelations per year until the last 3 years as maintenance. The result was shown by before and after blood tests each year. My first Chelation removed 17 kidney stones and lots of plaque, which I verified by using a kidney stone strainer. So for me I know what it does. Lately I use a do it yourself system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63THl-eNJQ. I have not verified this method with blood tests or used my strainer to check. To get good results I had to increase my urine flow to at least 32 ounces per day. I had to drink parsley tea to increase urine flow. As the kidneys must get rid of anything broken loose by Chelation. One guy had junk broken loose that lodged in his eye, loosing his sight in that eye. He said that showed him to take more Chelations. Lately my blood pressure is increasing, Chelations used to lower my blood pressure, so I better try more do it yourself Chelations. I also bought oral Chelation pills.If you do it yourself Chelation you need to add vitamin C plus any other vitamin you take as Chelation removes both the good with the bad. Brickey c In a message dated 4/24/2012 5:02:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kenancy2...@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have experience with chelation therapy? How much does it cost? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSconverting ionic solution to colloids method
Here is the only clue I have - the reducing agent is a custom blended carbohydrate we formulated. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSconverting ionic solution to colloids method
http://www.silverlungs.com/latest_user_manual_hm_ez_v.pdf The manual for SilverLungs describes adding a reducing agent to convert an ionic solution to a colloidal silver. They have a photo of it turning amber color. Any idea what it is, and if it is legit? David
Re: CSPost URLs
It dawned on me: http://www.labnol.org/internet/gmail-emails-have-permanent-web-address/6811/ If you use gmail, every email message has a unique URL!. I am gonna start just copying and pasting that URL into my word documents. David On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM, phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net wrote: You may not have the same layout as i do, David, but.. right at the top of my inbox, there are buttons.. They read, from left to right, Archive, Spam, Delete, Move to, Labels, More. When I want to save an email, I just click on the Move to button and it lets me create new (I give it a label) and it gets saved that way. If it is a similar email or something that is on the same subject as another email that I have already saved this way, I still click on the Move to .. and just highlight the subject that I have already saved and it automatically joins that post. So.. they are all together. If your layout isn't identical, you probably have something similar? Poke around and see, ok? Let us know how it goes. Lola On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any known way to bookmark the links to posts on this forum right from my email? I am always reading messages and then having to go and find them in the archives to bookmark the link to the post. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCardiac/arterial benefits?
CS does have an antiplatelet effect, so it may actually be a bit of a clot preventative. I think you want oral EDTA, also making sure to use a daily multimineral supplement. David On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM, craehow...@juno.com craehow...@juno.comwrote: I've been taking serrepeptase for years... but one should start small and work up. I buy Dr. Best Serrepeptase at $12+ a bottle. connie *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3132/4f8c23111c202618e7est04duc consumerproducts.comhttp://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3132/4f8c23111c202618e7est04duc
Re: CSCardiac/arterial benefits?
Go to Gordon Research Institute and do a search on EDTA and read lots of article. Dr. Gordon has a supplement called Beyond Chelation Improved or something like that. It has some EDTA and some other detox things in it. With this and some basic health measure, he says he has never had a patient have a heart attack in like the last 20 years or something like that. David On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:14 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI h.godav...@shaw.cawrote: Hi David: Where can one find more info on this? Would appreciate a couple of URLs Thanks. Regards hg - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Date: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:46 pm Subject: Re: CSCardiac/arterial benefits? To: silver-list@eskimo.com CS does have an antiplatelet effect, so it may actually be a bit of a clot preventative. I think you want oral EDTA, also making sure to use a daily multimineralsupplement. David On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:46 AM, craehow...@juno.com craehow...@juno.comwrote: I've been taking serrepeptase for years... but one should start small and work up. I buy Dr. Best Serrepeptase at $12+ a bottle. connie *53 Year Old Mom Looks 33* The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3132/4f8c23111c202618e7est04duc consumerproducts.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3132/4f8c23111c202618e7est04duc
Re: CSDoes EIS stress kidneys?
If I am not mistaken, the following constitutes more evidence that plain old drinking water is dangerous to the kidneys as compared to CS on account of the fluoride content. : http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/1/411.1.full I read on Wikipedia that in India fluoride legal limit is like 1.2 PPM. David
CSDoes EIS stress kidneys?
I know the answer is no, but I just need to hear it from some yes-men. The lousy doctors are withholding CS from our cancer patient in the hospital because his creatinine levels have increased and they think it must be caused by the metal in the colloidal silver! And in the meanwhile, his previously improving health is no longer improving. I am about to give them a piece of my mind, but want to double check before I do. Thanks, David
Re: CSDoes EIS stress kidneys?
I also just read cancer die-off can increase creatinine. So damn, you WANT CS to increase creatinine. Brilliant doctors... On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Silvia Messmer sdmess...@cox.net wrote: ** I would think the increased levels is due to microbe die off, not the CS itself. I hope the patient has advocates to stand up to what the patient wants, it's his right to take CS if he wants. Silvia -Original Message- *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:38 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* CSDoes EIS stress kidneys? I know the answer is no, but I just need to hear it from some yes-men. The lousy doctors are withholding CS from our cancer patient in the hospital because his creatinine levels have increased and they think it must be caused by the metal in the colloidal silver! And in the meanwhile, his previously improving health is no longer improving. I am about to give them a piece of my mind, but want to double check before I do. Thanks, David
Re: CSDoes EIS stress kidneys?
Plus now I learn that liver cancer all by itself causes elevated creatinine. And so does whey protein, which he was taking. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:00 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: I also just read cancer die-off can increase creatinine. So damn, you WANT CS to increase creatinine. Brilliant doctors... On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Silvia Messmer sdmess...@cox.net wrote: ** I would think the increased levels is due to microbe die off, not the CS itself. I hope the patient has advocates to stand up to what the patient wants, it's his right to take CS if he wants. Silvia -Original Message- *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:38 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* CSDoes EIS stress kidneys? I know the answer is no, but I just need to hear it from some yes-men. The lousy doctors are withholding CS from our cancer patient in the hospital because his creatinine levels have increased and they think it must be caused by the metal in the colloidal silver! And in the meanwhile, his previously improving health is no longer improving. I am about to give them a piece of my mind, but want to double check before I do. Thanks, David
Re: CSRectal CS
Though most of the liver is on the right side, one should lie on the left side to get the most into the liver? David On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:13 AM, devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: One more thing it would be absorbed by the blood vessels in the area that would go to the liver...there are drugs that are administered thru the rectum as well...do a google search for nor info too Sent via my Samsung Replenish from Boost Mobile David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Reviving this rectal CS thread...would rectal CS be a good idea for liver cancer? Would it reach the liver directly? Would there be a minimum volume needed to reach the liver? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRemoving silver plating ?
Is it like a pretty snowflake pattern? I get things like that. I wet a paper towel with distilled water, drop it in the empty jar, then use a big spoon or spatula to reach inside and move the paper towel around and rub those deposits off. Then I rinse the jar with DW once. David On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Kurt Voitel k...@voitel.name wrote: I have several one quart glass canning jars that I use to make CS. For years I have used a magnetic stirred Silver Puppy to generate the CS. The jars have what looks like a thin silver deposit on the inside walls and bottom. Does it matter that there is a deposit on the walls of the glass jar? Is there a way to clean this deposit? Thanks for any help. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRectal CS
Reviving this rectal CS thread...would rectal CS be a good idea for liver cancer? Would it reach the liver directly? Would there be a minimum volume needed to reach the liver? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHow long does a plain single 9V setup take to brew?
Very true. Anyway, the update is the person is no longer bed ridden, and is walking around, and all swelling has disappeared. That is with supps and an unknown strength of colloidal silver. On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: This question is meaningless without knowing the size of the brew vessel, the length and spacing of the electrodes. These all affect how long it would take to brew. The faraday calculator shows that it would take about 55 minutes at 1ma to achieve 15ppm in one cup of water. But you would not be starting out at 1ma in the beginning, and don't know if the unit has current regulation or not. It certainly is expensive enough to have it... Dan On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:55 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I am helping someone in India who I got to buy this unit: http://alchemist.co/ (scroll down to the super silver option) This is the only reasonable unit for sale that I have located in all of India, btw. It appears to be a single 9 volt with no resistor. Supplements plus this CS appears to be reversing the person's otherwise terminal cancer. But I need to have a better sense of how long it would take to brew say 15PPM with this unit. My guess is 45 minutes, total, wiping the electrodes every now and then? The guy who sells it seems to be unreachable at the moment. Thanks, David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
