Re: CSJournalist looking to talk to someone about colloidal silver
I will talk. Send your affiliation and credentials. It is unlikely the Ag improved the ABX's efficacy; it was the silver that did the job. I will read your link. James Holmes On Jul 17, 2013, at 13:43, Cat Ferguson carolinetaylorfergu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm a journalist writing about recent research on silver as an antimicrobial, including this study where silver was found to increase an antibiotic's efficacy 1000x. I'm hoping someone on this list will be willing to talk with me about their experience with taking CS regularly, as well as give me their opinion on this new study. I can do email or phone/Skype. Thanks so much, Cat Ferguson carolinetaylorfergu...@gmail.com (347) 559-6631
RE: CSHard drive crash
I keep mine in the freezer when I am not using it; it keeps the data fresh. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:17 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSHard drive crash Putting your hd in the freezer only works on some of the older drives and only on some issues. It is not a panacea by any means. Garnet On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 03:19, John Rigby wrote: At 11:27 AM 08/07/04 GMT+10, (my time) oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote : Of all things, they put my hard drive in the freezer, let it get frozen, took it out and retrieved all they could until it got warm and locked down, repeated the process etc, until 99% was retrieved. END OF QUOTE Hi Jean and folks, Wow! Never heard of that one before!!! Are you sure they weren't foolin' around? :-) Here is an address everybody should have that owns a pc with anything of value on it - even though of course EVERYBODY HERE backs up all their important stuff daily.. http://www.grc.com Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS formulae for the eyes --- need help
By weight or volume? That is a total of 18.75%. What is the medium? Does it make up the remaining percentage? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 8:08 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSCS formulae for the eyes --- need help From memory it was: 6.25% DMSO 6.25% Glutathione 6.25% Vitamin C And there was a mention of a particular pharmacy to contact. I can not seem to find the original posting but intend to eventually follow up on the formula. I have been using 10% DMSO with CS in my eyes, and with my horse that has eye problems. Seems well tolerated and does not sting much or for long. Adding the other ingredients might change this so use caution if you experiment on your own. And please let us know what you find in the way of info. Garnet On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 15:13, stepbystep...@aol.com wrote: Look into Dr.Christopher web site. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDOING THE RIGHT THING
Dump MS IE and OL. Free: Mozilla. Tabbed browsing; does 130 + things that IE does not. Blocks almost all Pop Ups. Smooth install. No known NSA backdoors. Open source. Not Microsloth. Built in mail. OL Express is a virus lure. Fornicate MS -Original Message- From: John Rigby [mailto:jrig...@fablor.com] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 5:57 AM To: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com Subject: CSDOING THE RIGHT THING Hi folks, This really does need repeating regularly.. PLEASE STOP REPLYING WITH *MULTIPLE* WHOLE MESSAGES TO THE LIST!! It really is simple to do the right thing: Here it is for all the sane people using EudoraPro: the safest, easiest emailer out there and free! :-) BELOW is the way for Outlook Express using danger-loving-thrill-seekers: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNebulizing Benefits
I really know nothing of nebulizers. I have one that I got from Bruce Marx before he stopped selling them. I got it for those folks who just can't believe that an 8 buck airbrush produces a finer aerosol than an expensive medical device. I do not know if you can still buy them on the net. I have researched with respiratory therapists and they say Proneb is a good brand. The one I have, and I presume that Bruce would pick a good one, not just based on his profit margin is: Brand: Medline Mod. Spot Mist. If you can find the data---and I doubt you can--- I would think droplet size (smaller is better) would be best. After that, it is a matter of how easy to clean and how durable with handling and use. JOH -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wfug...@direcway.com] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNebulizing Benefits Evening JOH, You make some interesting points. 2. Regardless of treating the ENT and lungs directly, nebulizing has the capability of getting blood levels of silver in the entire body up to those attainable via the IV route, I actually have a unit at the moment, but I don't like it and it is not mine. Seems I should select and purchase a unit. Many of the units I have found are prescription only. This must be in the same class with the lowly oxygen bottle. Prices range from under $ 50.00 to several hundred. Could you suggest a few features we should have in the unit we select. It appears one could build the complete unit from scratch if he understands pressure, flow rates, valves, tubes, regulators, and a few other things. Of course I don't want to spend a week making something I could purchase for a hundred or so. I have used an air brush long ago painting fishing lures. ( the genuine hand carved balsa wood type ) I tried to find a few technical specs but failed. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSEye disease !!
One significant cause is said by some authorities to be Aspartame. JOH -Original Message- From: John Rigby [mailto:jrig...@fablor.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSEye disease !! Hi folks, I've just posted on the off-topic list a little more of this, but do go here and read this: http://seven.com.au/todaytonight/story/macular It is a most frightening set of numbers and for no real reason except the usual: $ How many people do you know with Macular Degeneration? More of it on MATRIXIDE http://www.fablor.com/soapbox/ Cheers? Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTHE LINKING PATHOGEN IN NEURO-SYSTEMIC DISEASES
Stunning stuff. I am a long-time fan of Donald Scott. Thanks for that fresh link. JOH -Original Message- From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTHE LINKING PATHOGEN IN NEURO-SYSTEMIC DISEASES Excellent article on a common pathogenic mycoplasma. http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=2830164126 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTHE LINKING PATHOGEN IN NEURO-SYSTEMIC DISEASES
I have read, ...it is effective against mycoplasma I do not recall the authority of the cite. It seems like a cell-wall deficient organism should be more vulnerable than one with a cell wall. I very much would like to know. I'll do some searches, and write a couple of folks. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:39 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSTHE LINKING PATHOGEN IN NEURO-SYSTEMIC DISEASES So is there any consensus of the effectiveness of CS on mycoplasma. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDoes oral CS help?
Nebulizing has two significant attributes. 1. It gets the silver where it needs to be with a reparatory condition. Adding DMSO has its own benefits, and carries the Ag through the goo to the cells that need it. 2. Regardless of treating the ENT and lungs directly, nebulizing has the capability of getting blood levels of silver in the entire body up to those attainable via the IV route, without all the gear, the high skill levels required, the painful pokes, and all of the other disadvantages of the IV route. In addition, if 02 instead of air is used as the transport, you gain the oxygen itself. Benefits from the oxygen are becoming more significant as our atmosphere deteriorates. Oxygen and O2 together have greater pathogen-killing ability than either alone. There is also the issue of by-passing the reactions that occur in the digestive chemistry, that others may be able to comment upon. Generally, if you were nebulizing CS, I can see no reason to take it by mouth, nor any harm from doing both. Essentially your total dose will probably be about the same as the sum of the silver from the two sources, less whatever may be bound in the JOH -Original Message- From: Roger D Ragain [mailto:rrag...@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 8:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDoes oral CS help? Hello Everyone, When people ask about taking cs to help with respriatory or lung problems, they are told it's best to use cs with a neulizer or a cool mist ultrasonic humidifer. I understand the cs gets there quickly this way. I was wondering why these 2 products are promoted by some list members? Are they for those who don't take cs daily and need a rapid healing at certain times of the year? I'm not opposed to the products just trying to educate myself as I had question about it the last few days. Thanks, Roger Roger Ragain Cahokia, Illinois United States of America E-mail: rrag...@juno.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSargyria
Ag particle size is one issue with the Smurf Senator. He was probably consuming lots of silver compounds as well. For those not familiar with the story, pictures of him circulated on the web with about a 20% cyan Photoshop filter laid on his face. In reality, he showed faint tinge of grey on part of his eyelids. He had been drinking lots of tap water-generated discolored CS/godknowswhat gunk for over a year. To say that he was taking a silver colloid is not true. He was taking a mixture of unknown content that probably included some true colloidal silver. There is still no known case of Argyria from pure electro-produced colloidal silver. JOH -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 8:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSargyria John Rigby said, As I recall in my own research - not a single case of proven argyria from Colloidal Silver has ever been produced. Stan Jones (the Senate-candidate with coffee-colored CS) dissolved silver wires into water using DC electricity. Isn't that *colloidal* silver? The fact that the particles were very large doesn't disqualify it from being 'colloidal'. A colloid is a particle of something that is in suspension in a medium - in this case, water - that neither floats to the top nor sinks to the bottom. The fact that the water wasn't DW doesn't negate the 'colloidal' status. Yes, there were other silver (and non-silver) particles also in the water that were too large to stay in suspension and therefore would not be considered to be 'colloids', and yes, I would expect that it was these extra large particles that were responsible for his argyria. Never-the-less, considering Stan Jones, the FDA might argue with us about the statement that Colloidal Silver has never been shown to cause argyria. Mr. Jones did indeed drink colloidal silver, and he apparently has argyria. I think we may need to refine our definition to stipulate colloidal silver made with silver particles smaller than *** have not been implicated in any case of argyria. As someone on this list observed, there are no doubt other factors that affect a person's vulnerability to argyria, such as certain types of deficiencies (selenium, Vit E), or certain disease conditions (liver problems), or even the state of their immune system. Since there is no great money potential to be found in colloidal silver, any research to find the answers to these questions will need to be conducted by non-professionals or professionals of an unusual dedication. There have been so few documented cases of argyria caused by any form of silver as to make it one of the most unlikely problems to fear. You are statistically far more likely to get hit by a car, or lightning, and far, far, far more likely to get cancer or heart disease (or diabetes, or arthritis, etc.). More people die from aspirin each year than the total number of cases of argyria in all of medical history. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDoes oral CS help?
Sorry for the missing last bit. -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSDoes oral CS help? Nebulizing has two significant attributes. 1. It gets the silver where it needs to be with a reparatory condition. Adding DMSO has its own benefits, and carries the Ag through the goo to the cells that need it. 2. Regardless of treating the ENT and lungs directly, nebulizing has the capability of getting blood levels of silver in the entire body up to those attainable via the IV route, without all the gear, the high skill levels required, the painful pokes, and all of the other disadvantages of the IV route. In addition, if 02 instead of air is used as the transport, you gain the oxygen itself. Benefits from the oxygen are becoming more significant as our atmosphere deteriorates. Oxygen and O2 together have greater pathogen-killing ability than either alone. There is also the issue of by-passing the reactions that occur in the digestive chemistry, that others may be able to comment upon. Generally, if you were nebulizing CS, I can see no reason to take it by mouth, nor any harm from doing both. Essentially your total dose will probably be about the same as the sum of the silver from the two sources, less whatever may be bound in the digestive chemistry. JOH -Original Message- From: Roger D Ragain [mailto:rrag...@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 8:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDoes oral CS help? Hello Everyone, When people ask about taking cs to help with respriatory or lung problems, they are told it's best to use cs with a neulizer or a cool mist ultrasonic humidifer. I understand the cs gets there quickly this way. I was wondering why these 2 products are promoted by some list members? Are they for those who don't take cs daily and need a rapid healing at certain times of the year? I'm not opposed to the products just trying to educate myself as I had question about it the last few days. Thanks, Roger Roger Ragain Cahokia, Illinois United States of America E-mail: rrag...@juno.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCan't access the silver list
You have just accessed the Silver List. Hello. JOH -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCan't access the silver list Help! I can't access the silver list. I can still get the digest but can't access the list via the internet. What is going on? Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStap water CS
Hi Linda, You wrote: The point is that anecdotal stories don't provide sufficient evidence for the prevention of argyria because of the differences in people. That is true, but they tend to support the information available in medical databases. No one has been able to produce a case documenting Argyria caused by even long-term use of pure electro-colloidal silver. JOH -Original Message- From: Linda Jones [mailto:lin...@hamilton.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CStap water CS The argument that I didn't develop argyria from using 'x' type of silver or I didn't develop argyria from using 'x' amount of silver as trying to validate why one particular type or amount of silver does not cause argyria, is not sufficient to base an evaluation for the risks of developing argyria on, because different people have different genetic abilities to excrete silver, and different ability to produce glutathione and process silver through the detoxification systems of the body due to other toxins or metabolic problems. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Skin Cancer
Also search Bio-T. The site has color pictures identifying many types of surface cancers. JOH -Original Message- From: Acmeair [mailto:res00...@gte.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:24 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Skin Cancer try can-x or cansema. cansema might not be available anymore because of our friendly FDA, and i have personally witnessed can-x taking out a skin cancer. 14 days and it was gone. jim - Original Message - From: Tuttle, Elizabeth elizabeth.tut...@unisys.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: CS Skin Cancer Any suggestions for hor to use Colloidal Silver on a spot of skin cancer? Thanks. Beth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Skin Cancer
I would use CS with 20% DMSO, by volume. Keeping a bandage in place and spraying with the mixture occasionally will probably work faster. JOH -Original Message- From: Tuttle, Elizabeth [mailto:elizabeth.tut...@unisys.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:01 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Skin Cancer Any suggestions for hor to use Colloidal Silver on a spot of skin cancer? Thanks. Beth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CStap water CS
Marshall, Which I believe is due to the prophylactic effect that the particles in EIS have for argyria. At your convenience, will you please give more info on that. TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CStap water CS James Holmes wrote: Hi Linda, You wrote: The point is that anecdotal stories don't provide sufficient evidence for the prevention of argyria because of the differences in people. That is true, but they tend to support the information available in medical databases. No one has been able to produce a case documenting Argyria caused by even long-term use of pure electro-colloidal silver. Which I believe is due to the prophylactic effect that the particles in EIS have for argyria. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPathogenic mycoplasma
Search Donald Scott. His material is stunning. In the past, he offered an extensive research packet for $20. JOH -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 7:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSPathogenic mycoplasma We're from the government. We're just here to help. Does anyone know any more about the topic in the article? PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA A Common Disease Agent Weaponised There are 200 species of Mycoplasma. Most are innocuous and do no harm; only four or five are pathogenic. Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain) probably comes from the nucleus of the Brucella bacterium. This disease agent is not a bacterium and not a virus; it is a mutated form of the Brucella bacterium, combined with a visna virus, from which the mycoplasma is extracted. The pathogenic Mycoplasma used to be very innocuous, but biological warfare research conducted between 1942 and the present time has resulted in the creation of more deadly and infectious forms of Mycoplasma. Researchers extracted this mycoplasma from the Brucella bacterium and actually reduced the disease to a crystalline form. They weaponised it and tested it on an unsuspecting public in North America Full article: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/mycoplasma.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSnewby question
I would take lots of good CS and a small amount of DMSO at the same time. Others can probably suggest amounts to take of each. JOH -Original Message- From: Bob_Jane [mailto:bhan...@socal.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSnewby question Hi. I just read a book on this subject. I have cancer in the bone that has spread from my prostrate. Has anyone been help with this condition? bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSXylotol as a possible microbial nutrient
Lots of bacteria, fungi and yeasts feed on sugars. Does anyone have any ideas about that being relevant to using a mixture containing xylotol for sinus irrigation? JOH -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CShuman changes
On what information is your response based? JOH -Original Message- From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:05 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShuman changes Science fiction. At 05:42 AM 6/17/04, you wrote: Anyone know about this guy? http://www.rense.com/general53/dna.htmhttp://www.rense.com/general53/ dna.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHome Made Gatorade
The CRC handbook is mostly raw data on the properties of elements and compounds and physical constants and so forth. Like anything, it is subject to intentional manipulation for disinformation purposes. But a lot of sharp cookies use that data daily in their work, and most will be quick to point out numbers that do not add up. JOH -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHome Made Gatorade I'm sure that mercury is also present as well as many others but it doesn't show as much of an amount. The question is where were the samples taken for the report. Was it chosen from an area friendly to those making the money or a scientific average of the oceans of the planet. I probably wouldn't have the background to fully understand the CRC handbook. They could make claims that I don't understand and I would glean nothing from their figures. It's my thought that the ocean off the coast of say India or New York Would be quite different than that in Alaska. Dave Marshall Dudley wrote: It took the amount of solids in sea water and then took the amounts of each element in sea water, and divided each by the total solids and multiplied by 100% to get the percentage of that element in what is left if you evaporate the water. The numbers were obtained from the 3nd edition of the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. I can scan and email you the entire table if you want, there is a lot in sea water, including gold and silver, but mostly sodium and chlorine. Marshall Dave wrote: Marshal: Is that an average of the whole ocean or a figure taken from a sample carefully selected for optimal results (possibly from an iceberg) ? Dave Marshall Dudley wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Yea, plus I would think that sea salt would include virtually every metallic salt possible including tin, lead, mercury, arsenic... Ode Tin - 0.01% Lead - 0/012% Mercury - 0.0013% Arsnic - 0.12% Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTV show on silver
It is available again w/o scrip, at least on the net. JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTV show on silver I was re-reading Rob Faigin's excellent book Natural Hormonal Enhancement yesterday, and noted his claim that shortly after tryptophan was taken off the market -- because of one toxic batch from Japan -- the product was made into a prescription-only drug for insomnia and tension. I had not known about the prescription scam. It was evidently done very, very quietly. The result is that a safe, inexpensive nutraceutical is now a safe, expensive prescription drug. Very convenient indeed. It is not hard to imagine something similar happening with CS. JBB On Saturday, Jun 12, 2004, at 10:51 Asia/Tokyo, Tom wrote: I saw this show and of course they attacked CS, as well I also did some investigating and found that Dr. Bruce Bouts the so called expert, is one of Stephen Barret's henchmen, as well I couldn't find much on his credentials as well but that doesn't matter he is still an unreliable source of information. Rosemary Jacobs used her famous statement, I had cancer at 42 and silver didn't help me. Duhh she wasn't taking silver then either. When it comes to bashing CS I really believe they are shooting themselves in the foot, the famous saying. Me thinks thou protests too much comes to mind. People really aren't happy with conventional medicine and looking for alternatives, while they may have scared a few people alot of people aren't as gullible as they think and are going to look into it, as they know when conventional medicine tries to quelch something it usually means it works and they are trying to discredit it. I have talked to someone in work who knows I use it, and he saw that show, he made a joking comment about me turning blue, but I was also able to show him it does work a few times on myself (though he was still skeptical) he is more convinced it works now after seeing the idiots at ABC try to discredit it. Bravo losers at ABC you have done your job well. - Original Message - From: C. Hatzfeld ch...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:15 PM Subject: CSTV show on silver Just saw an ad for tomorrow's Good Morning America (ABC) and they'll be doing a piece on silver supplements and that they can turn your skin blue. Cindy Hatzfeld -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com image.tiff
RE: CShives
-Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:51 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CShives It simply removes the allergen, that is an oil. I think any kind of soap will work just as well. JOH Hi JOH Garnet, Thanks to each of you for the very helpful information and advice you regularly share on this wonderful site along with many other experienced experts who are so generous with us seekers! In addition to removing infected clothes, laundering them immediately upon exposure to poison ivy, then bathing yourself in hot water; add--bathe with old-fashioned Octagon Soap Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 8:55 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CShives Great information! How many of us think to do this after possible exposures? Have not had PI in years myself, but I always keep plenty of Yarrow around, since that first discovery. Having it all over in winter is a drag since your clothes rub the blisters! Would like to try Jewel weed, as it sounds interesting, but am not going to self experiment on purpose! LOL Garnet On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 00:01, James Holmes wrote: If you can take a thorough bath or shower within 3-4 hours of exposure, even sensitive people will usually have no reaction to poison oak or ivy. I once lived at a hot springs that was quite remote in the mountains. We had a phone wire that would be overgrown and needed to have the brush around it cleared. We would work directly in grandfather sized poison oak. The plant climbed up trees, and some were 4 inches in diameter at the base. We threw our clothes directly in the washer without delay, and jumped into the pools; no reaction. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:17 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CShives On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:26, Charles Sutton wrote: I have since heard that human urine, (your own is ok), will stop it almost immediately. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGold CS
A friend has cysts on his testicles Just clarifying. Did you mean scrotum, or are the cysts on the testicles within the scrotum? JOH -Original Message- From: brick...@aol.com [mailto:brick...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:14 AM To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSGold CS I. A friend has cysts on his testicles. I told him that DMSO works for internal cysts and a CS/DMSO spray could maybe reach the cysts. Any ideas? Brickey
RE: CSGold CS
Brooks' group says there is not point in using more than 10%. Yeeowwwch!. How can you possibly know? JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 3:02 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSGold CS I would advise him to start with a low DMSO concentration, say 10% and work up so that he does not cause irritation. Yeoowwwch! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethySulfoxide-DMSO Garnet On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 12:14, brick...@aol.com wrote: I made up 2 pints of dark gold CS that tested around 35 PPM and used them for sinus flushes with my Grossan water pick. Dark black stuff came out after a flush. I tried regular 10 PPM CS and did not notice the black stuff. Paul may have found that the burnt CS does something for sinus problems. A friend has cysts on his testicles. I told him that DMSO works for internal cysts and a CS/DMSO spray could maybe reach the cysts. Any ideas? Brickey -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTV show on silver
I think the big Pharms coming out with silver-impregnated adhesive bandages will do more than everything on this list to change popular opinion. JOH -Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:tha...@ec.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:51 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTV show on silver I saw this show and of course they attacked CS, as well I also did some investigating and found that Dr. Bruce Bouts the so called expert, is one of Stephen Barret's henchmen, as well I couldn't find much on his credentials as well but that doesn't matter he is still an unreliable source of information.
RE: CShives
If you can take a thorough bath or shower within 3-4 hours of exposure, even sensitive people will usually have no reaction to poison oak or ivy. I once lived at a hot springs that was quite remote in the mountains. We had a phone wire that would be overgrown and needed to have the brush around it cleared. We would work directly in grandfather sized poison oak. The plant climbed up trees, and some were 4 inches in diameter at the base. We threw our clothes directly in the washer without delay, and jumped into the pools; no reaction. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:17 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CShives On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:26, Charles Sutton wrote: I have since heard that human urine, (your own is ok), will stop it almost immediately. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urine_therapy Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS[List Owner] Comment...,
Excellent. JOH -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS[List Owner] Comment..., LOL!!! I think this thread illustrates aptly just how *impossible* it is to communicate succinctly in an all-text medium such as this! Was I casting aspersions on all of our alternative thinkers? Was Bill's post *really* tongue-in-cheek? Am I insulted by his OT Loony Bin remark? dum dum dum... (Organ music, with lots of tremolo!) The reason for my original post was to encourage you all to keep the more speculative stuff short, or move it to the OT list. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCan somehelp in making a CHeops Pyramid??
First, acquire a large number of limestone blocks weighing several hundred tons each. Then, build a method of machining them to fractions of a thousandth of an inch. Use the antigravity device to set them. When you get that part done, I'll give you finishing instructions. Ra -Original Message- From: ravin.kaya...@itcinfotech.com [mailto:ravin.kaya...@itcinfotech.com] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 10:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCan somehelp in making a CHeops Pyramid?? Hi All, I have heard that cheops pyramid is best in terms of energy does anyone have the info and the steps to make one?? Regards, Ravin Kayasth Nothing is IMPOSSIBLE Even the word says that I M POSSIBLE.. Disclaimer: This communication is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s) and shall not attach any liability on the originator or ITC Infotech India Ltd./its Holding company/ its Subsidiaries/ its Group Companies. If you are the addressee, the contents of this e-mail are intended for your use only and it shall not be forwarded to any third party, without first obtaining written authorization from the originator or ITC Infotech India Ltd./ its Holding company/its Subsidiaries/ its Group Companies. It may contain information which is confidential and legally privileged and the same shall not be used or dealt with by any third party in any manner whatsoever without the specific consent of ITC Infotech India Ltd./ its Holding company/ its Subsidiaries/ its Group Companies. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: V2004 #496 TESLA
Interesting; let's hear more. JOH -Original Message- From: john rigby [mailto:jrig...@fablor.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: V2004 #496 TESLA Hello pipples, Many people do not realise that there is a Shakespearian question about the last years of Tesla. There is a very strong legend about his becoming absorbed - willingly or not into the infamous Dark Eyes Project ( still in existence in dear old Oz - where no Australian is allowed to go ).
CSRE: ***Possible Spam*** CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #497
Still laughing. JOH -Original Message- From: john rigby [mailto:jrig...@fablor.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: ***Possible Spam*** CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #497 Hi Ra and folks, Well, that was easy! Now what? I'm in a hurry so please expedite instructions! Himagain
RE: CSFM? or PhotoMyalgia? Are UTI or Styes necessarily bugs?
Why do you think it is the monitor and not the computer? JOH -Original Message- From: Minni M. [mailto:minnim...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 12:03 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSFM? or PhotoMyalgia? Are UTI or Styes necessarily bugs? --- James Holmes ami...@starband.net wrote: Some folk say most forms of it are caused by mycoplasma fermentans incognitus; the primary causative agent of Gulf War Syndrome. Look at Nexus Magazine Archives. CS will kill it. This doesn't explain why my problems were worse from my emission-free LCD. As I said, one might think the frequencies emitted are stirring up my bacteria, but that isn't the case, since my emission-FREE LCD cause me the symptoms of UTI (or shall I rephrase that as faux UTI?) whereas my 1990 emission-FULL monitor does not cause such extreme problems, except upon much more extended use. So this points to the probability of the optic nerves as conduit toward stimulation of my auto-immune problems. Or some such. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTesla
A truly unusual being. He would draw complex machines. Build forms, cast the major parts, machine them, and assemble them and run them. Then he would take them apart and inspect the failures and correct the design. He did this entirely in his imagination. Then he would draw up plans and have the machines made. in the physical world and it would behave exactly as he predicted. Did you actually talk with him? JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSTesla I believe the hotel let him stay there for free in one of the less desirable rooms [without maid service?] because his fame drew people to the hotel. I think I read that Tesla became a fixture in the dining room. People would buy his meals just to talk with him? I'd buy him dinner. Tesla could have been wealthy, but he just wasn't interested in money. Ode At 01:22 PM 6/5/2004 -0600, you wrote: I have always wondered why the historians say Tesla died in poverty in a Hotel room. Think about it. Poverty would be living on an exhaust grate below the hotel, on the street. Many people consider living in a hotel to be the most luxurious style of all. It was not a flop-house, but a really nice hotel. JOH -Original Message- From: Rowena Evans [mailto:rowenaev...@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTesla And the book Rivals, Conflict as the Fuel of Science by Michael White, Vintage 2002. Chapter 4: The Battle of the Currents (Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison 1884-1893, says: 'In 1943, at the age of eighty-seven, Tesla died in poverty in a hotel room, shared with dozens of pigeons he habitually coaxed in from his window ledge. Rowena Tesla died a pauper in a hotel room. I saw a special program night before last on Tesla's life. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSComputer 'toxic dust'
My intuitive BS meters are flickering. Nothing rational, but it just does not seem right. Look inside an old computer. It is covered with a film of dust, and sometimes grease from cooking. How does the alleged toxic dust get out of the computer? Perhaps during its very initial use. Why can't the stuff be blown out with a bit of compressed air after construction? I can see fiberglass outgassing, and some of the insulation components, too, but you probably get a much more massive dose from walking into a Wal-Mart. A subtle thought in the back of your mind, ...computers are toxic. computers will make me sick...I must limit my time with the computer... And so, there is a percentage less of damming information learned from or transmitted on the internet. As William Burrows said, it is not paranoia if the bastards are really out to get you. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:44 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSComputer 'toxic dust' Precrisely. Computers were the only ones tested. You can apply the info to all electronics. Garnet On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 13:15, Terry wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMRSA/VRSA
How about silver for the last 75 years? JOH -Original Message- From: T J Garland [mailto:alch...@esper.com] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMRSA/VRSA How about silver? http://www.rense.com/general53/nhs.htm
RE: CSTesla
I have always wondered why the historians say Tesla died in poverty in a Hotel room. Think about it. Poverty would be living on an exhaust grate below the hotel, on the street. Many people consider living in a hotel to be the most luxurious style of all. It was not a flop-house, but a really nice hotel. JOH -Original Message- From: Rowena Evans [mailto:rowenaev...@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTesla And the book Rivals, Conflict as the Fuel of Science by Michael White, Vintage 2002. Chapter 4: The Battle of the Currents (Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison 1884-1893, says: 'In 1943, at the age of eighty-seven, Tesla died in poverty in a hotel room, shared with dozens of pigeons he habitually coaxed in from his window ledge. Rowena Tesla died a pauper in a hotel room. I saw a special program night before last on Tesla's life. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmolecula silver???
Mike, did you look at the below site? Very strange. There are only two urls. If you back up the link by deleting moleculaSilver.htm You come to a graphic with a phone number. No other links or text. Will you give an opinion of what is the deal. JOH -Original Message- From: nancymike [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSmolecula silver??? A freind just sent me the following link which does not say much. Has anyone heard of Molecula silver? http://www.worldhealthmall.com/moleculaSilver.htm Nancy
RE: CSRe: The FDA
that the assignment had been a test to determine if they were dependable For me, it would have been a test of a Jerk not-to-work-for. Norm -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSRe: The FDA Hi Dave Marshall, Before electricity, many alchemists and pharmamacists making homeopathic medications, would grind a powder with a pestle in a mortar for hundreds of thousands of times, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPyramids and health
Sorry. http://www.ascension2000.com/ -Original Message- From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPyramids and health In a message dated 6/2/04 11:19:14 PM Central Daylight Time, ami...@starband.net writes: See www.ascension2000. This link didn't work for me. MA
RE: CSFM? or PhotoMyalgia? Are UTI or Styes necessarily bugs?
Some folk say most forms of it are caused by mycoplasma fermentans incognitus; the primary causative agent of Gulf War Syndrome. Look at Nexus Magazine Archives. CS will kill it. -Original Message- From: Minni M. [mailto:minnim...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFM? or PhotoMyalgia? Are UTI or Styes necessarily bugs? Long ago I was dx'ed with FibroMyalgia. I had also been dx'ed last year with UTI. But how do I know for sure that it was truly infection? The dx was given via the emergency room, and I don't remember the report mentioning bacteria, rather white blood cells too numerous to count. So how do I know it's not my hyperactive system causing white blood cells to proliferate upon exposure to the fluorescense of my computer monitor, thus causing inflammation in the form of pseudo UTI, or faux interstitial cystitis, migraines, tingling/achy teeth, muscle pain more? And how do people with styes know for sure they're infected, rather than [ditto]? And how do people with fibromyalgia know for sure that many of their problems may not in fact be photomyalgia? Here's what's so confusing: My symptoms, including UTI are directly caused by viewing my monitor. I have absolutely no doubt about that, since it happens consistently. So... one might think that radiation from my monitors would be causing herz reactions by stirring up bugs. But I ruled that out - because my emission-free LCD was causing much worse symptoms than my old 1990 CRT. Paper sticks to the latter via static cling, but not to the LCD. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS[List Owner] OT threads... starting to fray!
No Mike, not you.! Everyone; I was not talking about Mike, our revered forum-god. The fairest. You are the good one. I was talking about one Mod on a forum associated with David Wilcock's site. If you want to see a really loose forum, checkout www.godlikeproductions.com. Not a primary-topic list like ours here, so there is no off-topic issue. JOH -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] OT threads... starting to fray! Hi folks! Your smiling Nazi-pain-in-the-*ss moderator here! grin -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPATENTS - OT
Thank you J. I now understand. I have never known that being already in the public domain prevented patenting. Can the plagiarist still make and sell the device? I have also heard that keeping the item in the limbo of patent pending was another good strategy. Most of the money spent on Drug Research is not for original work, but trying to get around other patents. JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPATENTS - OT James, To get patent rights, one must be disclosing, to the patent office, information about a product or process that is non-obvious and is not already in the public domain. If one wants to preclude others from patenting something, one puts the invention in the public domain. That way, the person who wants to get the patent can not meet one of the essential criteria. There are, I have read, web sites devoted exclusively to public disclosure of inventions. It makes a lot of sense for some small mfgrs. JBB On Friday, Jun 4, 2004, at 06:00 Asia/Tokyo, James Holmes wrote: Jonathan, Please explain. How does disclosure prevent patenting with trivial changer, by a competitor. JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:55 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPATENTS - OT One final point: many small companies now routinely, and very publicly, DISCLOSE their new products, . . . JBB On Thursday, Jun 3, 2004, at 13:09 Asia/Tokyo, Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening John, and others who made comments on patents, I agree with virtually everything stated. However, in some cases, when a small time infringement is involved, a Cease and Desist letter has always stopped production, in my experience. The average individual or small business simply don't want legal action for a small amount of profit. Big dollar situations, I agree are different. I still wonder about those words, forbids all others from making, selling or using. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPATENTS - OT
Jonathan, Please explain. How does disclosure prevent patenting with trivial changer, by a competitor. JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:55 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPATENTS - OT One final point: many small companies now routinely, and very publicly, DISCLOSE their new products, . . . JBB On Thursday, Jun 3, 2004, at 13:09 Asia/Tokyo, Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening John, and others who made comments on patents, I agree with virtually everything stated. However, in some cases, when a small time infringement is involved, a Cease and Desist letter has always stopped production, in my experience. The average individual or small business simply don't want legal action for a small amount of profit. Big dollar situations, I agree are different. I still wonder about those words, forbids all others from making, selling or using. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPyramids and healthHogland and the Face
I agree with Marshall. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPyramids and health You have obviously not researched it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFW: CSNew name/same game
Christine, I don't understand why you are blushing. No, I am not considered psychic, although I would very much like to be so. My intuition is strong though. If you have info, expectorate. JOH -Original Message- From: Christine Carleton [mailto:essential-liv...@telus.net] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFW: CSNew name/same game JOH *Now I'm really blushing...* -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNew name/same game
The word means, to breathe together. JOH -Original Message- From: Christine Carleton [mailto:essential-liv...@telus.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNew name/same game Jean One of the most effective words is 'conspiracy' - Most people will back off - big time - regardless of the 'worth/validity/truth' or lack of thereof with the mention of that word. It's funny to insert in a conversation and watch the reaction. It's effective at turning people away from something good (like CS, DMSO, etc) that others don't want us to look at. Christine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSPyramids and health
David Wilcock is a master researcher. His work is drawn from all areas of science, history, astronomy, and really everything. He shows the relationship between ancient and modern science. He is believed to be another go-round of Edgar Cayce. He looks like his twin. I have spoken with him. Unassuming regular guy, and brilliant. His information on the changes in the solar system is stunning. See www.ascension2000. JOH -Original Message- From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSPyramids and health At 07:20 PM 6/1/04, you wrote: This is from the Art Bell show last week, the person speaking is David Wilcock: Interesting. I remember the pyramid power craze back in the 60's and 70's, turns out maybe there was something to it after all. Marshall Art Bell has all kinds of kooks on his show. Who is David Wilcock and why are you willing to accept his testimony as true? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHVAC Ultra Pro and Patents
The patent system is part of the overall scam. JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHVAC Ultra Pro and Patents There have, however, been a few inspiring cases in which small inventors have won HUGE damages. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSleaching plastics
There are hundreds of non-estrogen compounds that bind to the estrogen receptor sites and produce the same results. Tofu contains a lot of it. He says, in a high squeaky voice. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSleaching plastics Where on earth would estrogen come from? Polyethylene is made from a catalytic reaction using pure ethylene gas and certain metals. Pure polyethylene is formed by this process. Estrogen is a completely different compound, with elements that are not even fund in ethylene. However I have read that plasticizers can mimic estrogen if I remember right. Perhaps you are talking about those. There should be no plasticizers in hdpe, it has a transition temperature just over 200 F, and is thus flexible without it. But I do know that plasticizers have been known to be added to hdpe, although they should not. I suspect that it may be a case of recycled plastic being added to the mix, and some non hdpe inadvertantly being added that had plasticizers in it. But I have no documentation on that. Marshall Christine Carleton wrote: Marshall Deborah, From what I understand, milk jugs leach estrogen into the contents. One has to go to a higher grade of plastic to prevent the leaching. Christine From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:10:04 -0400 Subject: Re: CSleaching plastics Gallon Milk jugs should not leach, they are made from high density polyethylene, which requires no plasticizers at all. Marshall DByron wrote: The gallon plastic jugs that most distilled water is sold in looks very much like the standard milk jugs that leach. I wonder if we should be storing purchased distilled water in something else as well. Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Mexican CS; colloidal mill
Tesla died in relative poverty. He was conned by Marconi, Edison, and Morgan. He saved Westinghouse's ass by tearing up a six million dollar contract in front of the amazed Westinghouse. Edison was a major rip-off artist. There is still ongoing a suit about the actual inventor of motion pictures. In those days, six million was a royal fortune. JOH -Original Message- From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:46 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Mexican CS; colloidal mill At 10:57 AM 6/1/04, you wrote: and how many years earlier - when they hounded the 'electrical guys' - Tesla, Rife, etc... Bob Beck had an answer, release to the public domain. Christine Who hounded Tesla? He made out all right. J.P. Morgan bought him out. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: Mexican CS; colloidal mill
Hello Alex, It is good to hear from you. Where can we learn more about colloidal mill. Please send scanned reports. TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Alex Torres [mailto:compu...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSThe FDA Dear Richard, Some good news is not news here in Mexico. Malaria is treated with Microdyn (colloidal silver 3200 p.p.m.)with 8 dollars total cost per treatment, in 5 days in Veracruz, Acapulco, and some tropical places where Malaria (Paludismo in Spanish) is endemic. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFor Frank re: effect of H2O2 on CS
Can you share your expertise on this question. Does H2O2 added to CS make smaller particles, ions, or ions and smaller particles or does something else happen? TIA JOH -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFw: How to separate ions from particles
Thank you very much Frank, JOH -Original Message- From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFw: How to separate ions from particles JOH wrote: That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? To separate the ions from particles in a colloid by the following methods: Frank Key Colloidal Science Lab http://www.ColloidalScienceLab.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Ions are all the same size. We are measuring the percent ionic v. particulate. The ISE reads only ions. AA reads total silver. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 1:53 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Wouldn't the ions be smaller since the colloidal particles exist primarily as clusters. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Most measure the ionic with a ion -selective electrode and then subtract that from the AA reading. I was very disappointed when Kimball went out of business. JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 1:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen I didn't. Kimball Labs and the other one we used did the tests. I have no idea of the way they separate the ions from the particulate. All I can tell you is the percentages they both stated on the analysis and they were both about the same. So I assume they knew what they were doing. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen That gives total Ag in any sample; how do you separate them? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi James, AA spectrophotometry. Trem - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFw: Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver
Both samples will read the same JOH -Original Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 6:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFw: Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver - Original Message - From: Matthew mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu McCann PE To: siver-l...@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Ratio of ionic to colloidal silver Hi, Trem and James, It might be possible to measure the ratio of ionic to colloidal silver by dividing a sample in halves, freezing and unfreezing one half, letting the other half remain at ambient temperature, and then measuring both with AA or muriatic acid titration. Alternating ( probably more crudely) a cooling curve could be run to measure the colligativity of the sample (displacement of the freezing point and/or boiling point.) I haven't done these (yet.) It's just a thought. Best regards, Matthew
RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with Colloidal Silver
I will appreciate a pix. Do you have two, one with and one without? JOH -Original Message- From: nancymike [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with Colloidal Silver You don't necessarly want higher PPM of cs. You will want the finest, smallest particles. You can make the particles of your home made CS much tinier by adding 1 drop of 3%H2o2 to each 2 oz. of CS. it is truly amazing how tiny the particles become. I can send a micrscopic picture of what it looks like to any one interested. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis with ColloidalSilver
Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver
Trem, How did you come to that conclusion? JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:01 PM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen
Thank you, What is your test procedure? JOH -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 8:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRatio of ionic to colloidal silver in SilverGen Hi Garnet and James, Actually I say Our CS is 85% ionic and 15% colloidal. I can say that because I've tested it several times. Others can be any ratio but I cannot testify since I haven't tested theirs. Trem - Original Message - From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSTestimonial for curing Rheumatoid Arthritis withColloidalSilver www.silvergen.com Trem told me this over the phone and I believe has posted it to this list. I also believe it is on his website, above. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 13:53, James Holmes wrote: Hello G. Home made CS is 85% ions and 15% colloids. Can you share your source for that? TIA JOH --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSleaching plastics
The mold release compound sounds likely. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 9:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSleaching plastics There should be nothing leaching out, but it could be unnecessary plasticizers, mold release compound, detergent used to clean it, outgassing from the foam in the top among other things. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My son can taste the difference between distilled water that has been in HDPE and that that has only been in glass. What is he tasting? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:10 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSleaching plastics Gallon Milk jugs should not leach, they are made from high density polyethylene, which requires no plasticizers at all. Marshall DByron wrote: The gallon plastic jugs that most distilled water is sold in looks very much like the standard milk jugs that leach. I wonder if we should be storing purchased distilled water in something else as well. Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSpink eye
OMG, an epidemiceveryone you know! JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 12:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSpink eye A couple of drops in each eye has always worked for everyone I know. Biggest problem is reinfection. Marshall Gladys Williams wrote: Hey List- A friend's daughter has pink eye in bothe eyes. I had her soak gauze with cs and place on eyelids. Didn't know dosage or concentrations for putting in eye. Any suggestions? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDMSO Question
You would have to drink several liters of concentrated DMSO to get 10% in your body. JOH -Original Message- From: NANCY ESTES [mailto:nancy.es...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 7:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDMSO Question I have a friend who's very skeptical about the use of DMSO, even at 10% dilution. She's done cell line research in which DMSO is used to protect the cells when they're frozen in liquid nitrogen. The DMSO has to be removed very quickly when the cells are taken out of the liquid nitrogen or the DMSO will destroy the cells. She says she's also seen it bleach pigment out of skin. (She's a prof at a university med school.) Any explanations, etc.? I'm not trying to convince her to use it but am curious myself as I do use DMSO in conjunction with CS. Nancy nancy.es...@sbcglobal.net -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSleaching plastics
My son can taste the difference between distilled water that has been in HDPE and that that has only been in glass. What is he tasting? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:10 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSleaching plastics Gallon Milk jugs should not leach, they are made from high density polyethylene, which requires no plasticizers at all. Marshall DByron wrote: The gallon plastic jugs that most distilled water is sold in looks very much like the standard milk jugs that leach. I wonder if we should be storing purchased distilled water in something else as well. Deborah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDMSO can carry other drugs with it across membranes
I may have coined the word. I may have also misspelled it. Since technically, virons are not alive, they can not be cided They are said to be inactivated. It sounds like splitting hairs to me. I intended it to mean destroys a virus' or renders it harmless to the host. JOH -Original Message- From: Phinneas [mailto:phinn...@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDMSO can carry other drugs with it across membranes -Original Message- From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, May 23, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: RE: CS Fever blisters ,Garnet Would the proper statement of their position be that DMSO and some other substance together are viracidal? JOH Viracidal -- viricidal -- virucidal? Can someone please define the meaning of the word? Anywy, perhaps (???) the following excerpts from web-pages may help answer the question: Phinneas ... The first quality that struck Dr. Jacob about the drug was its ability to pass through membranes, an ability that has been verified by numerous subsequent researchers.1 DMSO's ability to do this varies proportionally with its strength--up to a 90 percent solution. From 70 percent to 90 percent has been found to be the most effective strength across the skin, and, oddly, performance drops with concentrations higher than 90 percent. Lower concentrations are sufficient to cross other membranes. Thus, 15 percent DMSO will easily penetrate the bladder.2 In addition, ** DMSO can carry other drugs with it across membranes. It is more successful ferrying some drugs, such as morphine sulfate, penicillin, steroids, and cortisone, than others, such as insulin. What it will carry depends on the molecular weight, shape, and electrochemistry of the molecules. This property would enable DMSO to act as a new drug delivery system that would lower the risk of infection occurring whenever skin is penetrated. ... Source: Alternative Complementary Therapies, July/August 1996, pages 230-235. DMSO Organization would like to thank the publisher for permission to place this fine article on the World Wide Web. The Publisher retains all copyright. To order reprints of this article, write to or call: Karen Ballen, Alternative Complementary Therapies, Mary Ann Liebert, Inc., 2 Madison Avenue, Larchmont, NY 10538, (914) 834-3100. © 2001-2003 All rights reserved ~ [another excerpt, hopefully of interest.] F. Bacteriostasis DMSO exerts a marked inhibitory effect on a wide range of bacteria and fungi including at least one parasite, at concentrations (30-50%) likely to be encountered in antimicrobial testing programs in industry.6 DMSO at 80% concentration inactivated viruses tested by Chan and Gadenbusch. These viruses included four RNA viruses, influenza A virus, influenza A-2 virus, Newcastle disease virus, Semliki Forest virus, and DNA viruses.12 Seibert and co-worker98 studied the highly pleomorphic bacteria regularly isolated from human tumors and leukemic blood. DMSO in 12.5-25% concentration caused complete inhibition of growth in vitro of 27 such organisms without affecting the intact blood cells. Among the intriguing possibilities for the use of DMSO is its ability to alter bacterial resistance. Pottz and associates78 presented evidence that the tubercle bacillus, resistant to 2000Ýg of treptomycin or isoniazide, became sensitive to 10Ýg of either drug after pretreatment with 0.5-5% DMSO. Kamiya et al.54 found that 5% DMSO restored and increased the sensitivity of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria. In particular, the sensitivity of all four strains of Pseudomonas to colistin was restored when the medium contained 5% DMSO. The authors recorded that antibiotics not effective against certain bacteria, such as penicillin to E. coli, showed growth inhibitory effects when the medium contained DMSO. Ghajar and Harmon35 studied the influence of DMSO on the permeability of Staphylococcus aureau, demonstrating that DMSO increased the oxygen uptake but reduced the rate of glycine transport. They could not define the exact mechanism by which DMSO produced its bacteriostatic effect. Gillchriest and Nelson37 have suggested that bacteriostasis from DMSO occurs due to a loss of RNA conformational structure required for protein synthesis. Source: Received September 9, 1985. Accepted September 16, 1985 by the Academic Press, Inc. Printed 1985 (pp. 14-27). DMSO Organization wishes to thank the Academic Press, Inc., for allowing us to place this article on our World Wide Web site. Academic Press retains all copyright. To copy any portion of this article, please obtain permission from the publisher.--- © 2001-2003 All rights reserved ~~~ -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 3:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re
RE: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo?
Re: no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from The best explanation I have seen is from the obscure written teachings of Padmasambhava for his personal students. Or maybe it was Malaria. That school of though holds that consciousness is an utterly a-priori attribute of space itself; that is why it can be neither created nor destroyed. The most destructive error [Intentional, I think] of Western Materialism is that consciousness is a result of physical-level metabolism. No brain, no awareness, is the model. Many teachings say it is the other way around; consciousness creates the physical. Keep everyone terrified of not-being by dieing, and they are much more easy to manipulate. They cling to what they think they temporarily possess instead of becoming the greater possibly that exist. I brain is not a storage device; it accesses morphic fields al la Rupert Sheldrake, and edits, processes, and displays the info. JOH I wonder how they measure the 'frequency of consciousness' to get these numbers when conciousness itself has eluded definition so far and no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCorrection in previous post
Love those spell checkers. Correction: The best explanation I have seen is from the obscure written teachings of Padmasambhava for his personal students. Or maybe it was Malaria. Should be Milarepa. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS al la Rupert Sheldrake, Sir John Eccles etc
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him pull his head out. JOH -Original Message- From: Christine Carleton [mailto:essential-liv...@telus.net] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS al la Rupert Sheldrake, Sir John Eccles etc Thus understanding there is communication across the morphic fields, how could these proven principals be put to use to expand the use of CS, awareness of DMSO, and benefits of vitamins (especially C) to help more people with their health challenges and diminish scepticism? Christine www.sheldrake.org/ http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1963/eccles-bio.html http://www.veritaspub.com/ From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:58:50 -0600 Subject: RE: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo? Re: no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from clip... I brain is not a storage device; it accesses morphic fields al la Rupert Sheldrake, and edits, processes, and displays the info. JOH I wonder how they measure the 'frequency of consciousness' to get these numbers when conciousness itself has eluded definition so far and no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Fever blisters ,Garnet
Would the proper statement of their position be that DMSO and some other substance together are viracidal? JOH -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 3:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Fever blisters ,Garnet It has been stated several times tha DMSO kills Herpes; Louis Lasagna M.D.,Professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology, university of rochester school [of medicine; states,DMSO has demonstrated clinical usefullness in treating microbial infections serving as an adjunct. Webster defines adjunct as;Something added or joined to another thing but not essentially part of it. Stanley Jacob MD states DMSO is Static to microbials I put my belief in these two distinguished Md s not any one that just says DMSO kills Herpes and shows no documentation of such.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNanobacteria and Disease States
What is the difference between nannobacteria and mycoplasmas? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNanobacteria and Disease States http://www.msstate.edu/dept/geosciences/4site/nannobacteria.htm ...Nannobacteria may be mediating many processes currently assumed to be controlled by inorganic chemical reactions, such as low-temperature precipitation of dolomite, oxidation of iron, and the formation of clay minerals on the Earth's surface (Folk, 1992; 1993); processes which have an economic effect on many industries including petroleum exploitation and environmental mediation. Nannobacteria may also be controlling processes within organisms such as formation of shells, bones, teeth, calculus, and arterial plaque. They have been reported from bovine, rabbit and human blood and they may be associated with human disease. It has been suggested that nannobacteria might play a role in a class of diseases associated with mineralized amyloid deposits in human tissue (including inflammatory bowel disease, kuru, Kreutzfeld-Jacob's, Alzheimer's, and Crohn's disease)... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3729487.stm Interesting to apply the results that most people are getting as far as preventing many disease states by taking preventative daily doses of CS to the idea of nanobacteria and their various effects on the human body. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAdenocarcinoma
Ah yes, the difference between a site and a cite. JOH -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAdenocarcinoma Garnet, please document that DMSO normalises cells and Kills microbials. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFever blisters ,Garnet
How is DMSO used to treat CA, and what types is it believed effective against? TIA JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFever blisters ,Garnet DMSO is approved for treating cycstitis of the bladder. It is also used in treating cancer but is not approved for this use. Still it is quite legal. Garnet On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 19:16, oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, Not sure this is helpful in this discussion but isn't DMSO allowed to be used in bladder cancer? Cancer is a virus? Jean Baugh ** I have done searches=== Again, have you any documentation tha DMSO is viricidal in vivo? If so please post them. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Method of Action of Colloidal Silver
Could be the spirit of the Moon-Goddess manifesting in her element. There will be some material events connected with what it does. That is what science will describe. JOH -Original Message- From: Jodi Waldman Menard [mailto:jwmen...@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:26 PM To: theskyk...@aol.com; silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Method of Action of Colloidal Silver JOH wrote on 5-17-2004: I have read elsewhere that Ag affects prokaryotic cells, but does not affect eukaryotic cells. Is there a difference in the basic cell walls between the two? If not, then the effect must be coming from something that happens inside the cell. I believe also that I have read that silver is capable of entering the nuclear membrane of eukaryotic cells and attacking pathogens therein. I don't think anyone knows how it works. JOH Bryan (theskyk...@aol.com)wrote on Mon, 2004-05-17 at 06:17: Hello friends, I am looking for a good resource explaining what colloidal silver does to kill bacteria. Does it inhibit protein formation? Inhibit cell wall formation? What is the method of killing action? Any information or links, please send directly to theskyk...@aol.com Thank you, Bryan Bryan and JOH - I tried to post this a couple of days ago but it didn't make it because I accidentally sent it to the wrong address. 8-o http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579307/Silver.html Silver, symbol Ag, white, lustrous metallic element that conducts heat and electricity better than any other metal. It's a fact that silver reflects and mirrors light and is an excellent conductor of electricity.. It's also a fact that all matter, living and not, is formed by and comprised of various arrangements of atoms and every single one is orbited by an electron. From what I have read, it seems electricity is produced by the transference of electrons from one atom to the another (is that right?), and silver innately conducts or encourages this transfer. Are electrons an energy charge? Do they emit light? I feel that they do, but I really don't know. What I have a gut level feeling about, is that every cell in our body vibrates or resonates with this electrical energy (life force) and emits wavelenghths or frequencies of light (aura). The intensity, degree and frequency of this energy/life force/light is probably directly related to whether or not it is a healthy and vital cell, or a diseased and dying one. Perhaps sick, abnormal or dying cells (and bodies) are not conducting this energy/electricity/light/life force optimally. Perhaps silver is somehow conducting this electrical current in our bodies and cells, augmenting light and energy and our life force via silver's propensity to reflect and mirror, and thereby enabling our cells and bodies to rejuvenate and fight off infection and disease - as we are meant to and ultimately do when we're in our optimum state. This is my gut feeling anyway. Does anyone else think this sounds probable or possible? Jodi -- Jodi Waldman Menard -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS
Sounds very right to me. JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:34 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Vaguely here..isn't a low T cell count an indication that there is a lack of infection and cd4 related somehow to T cells? So, like, if these cd4s and 8 are 'suppressed'...meaning low, perhaps it's because the ionic silver made a lot of them unneccesary. I would think that making [I Pharm] statements like the below without placing them in a pathogen load context would be quite meaningless if not deliberately misleading. They 'are' talking specifically about electrically isolated silver. Ode At 06:52 AM 5/17/2004 -0400, you wrote: I think they may be talking about silver compounds such as silver nitrate and silver citrate. These are of course ionic as well. Marshall Terry wrote: From International Pharmaceuticals (linked on the http://www.silvermedicine.orgwww.silvermedicine.org site):3.) IONIC SILVER SUPPRESSES THE CD4 AND CD8 FUNCTION OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM:?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:officeurn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:o ffice / Ionic silver must be produced via electrolysis (via electricity ((anode + cathode))), and ions will suppress the CD4 and CD8 functions of your immune system. One should therefore not use ionic silver (misnamed as colloidal silver by the uninformed and marketers) because ionic silver is TOXIC to your immune system. I think the folks at mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com would find this statement at odds with their own experiences; they regularly report significant results with toxic ionic silver (@ 5 ppm concentration). Terry -Original Message- From: Reg Whelan [mailto:whelan...@iprimus.com.aumailto:whelan...@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:21 AM To: pralt-disc...@prostate90.com Subject: Re: [pralt-discuss] Collodial Siver Hi Michael, Your link was welcome.Everything old is new again. Even in the holy grail of Medicine. They stopped using silver about 1939 and now it's come full circle. today's electrically produced silver ions are far removed from the days of yore. todays antibiotics can sometimes cause more damage to the body than good. You can learn about coloidal silver at..http://www.silvermedicine.orghttp://www.silvermedicine.org You can see graphs produced by big pharma to strengthen a part of it's case for the introduction of electrically produced silver ions (in this case the body's own electrical circuitry is in part used to generate the silver ions) in the control of bacterial infection at...http://www.acticoat.comwww.acticoat.com There is a support forum at..http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsitehttp://groups.yahoo.com /group/silverdatawebsite Reg --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.comhttp://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 445 - Release Date: 5/12/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.comhttp://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 445 - Release Date: 5/12/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CSRe[2]: CS
Hype. JOH -Original Message- From: patriot2...@mindspring.com [mailto:patriot2...@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe[2]: CS I've been happily using CS for some months now, making it at home with our SilverPuppy. Will some of you regulars, well versed in the subject, please comment on these statements taken from the site selling silver proteins instead of ionic silver at www.mts.net/~revive/food.txt which was included in a post in today's Silver Digest? (I noted at one point they cautioned users of their product to only use it for a few days. Is silver protein the form that can cause argyria when overused?) Thanks for all the educating you provide for us newbies! Marlys That is because most products today that claim to be colloidal silver are actually not true colloidal suspensions at all; they are only ionic solutions. That in itself makes them unstable. The silver particles soon settle out. Using a silver product that has settled will be ineffective, and worse than that: dangerous having some particles of humongous size. In contrast, Mild Silver Protein is a true colloidal suspension produced using compounding techniques that result in a stable product. The atoms stay at uniform size and do not come out of suspension. Remember if you are taking a silver product in order to enhance your health you do not want ions of silver. You only want atoms of silver. Only Atoms of silver are non toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your immune system, which is so important when you take the Mild Silver Protein in the more effective high 500 p.p.m. range. With any ionic silver in any p.p.m. range- (be it even as low as 3 to 10 p.p.m.), it is toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your immune system. Mild Silver Protein was used non-toxically for generations before conventional antibiotics, and now ionic silver preparations are crowding out Mild Silver Protein from the shelves and ruining the reputation of silver and the knowledge of the effective completely non-toxic silver. This data is for COMPOUNDED SILVER FORMULATIONS ONLY and does not refer to unstable electro colloidal making and makers. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CSDMSO and Herpes Virus
If a pregnant woman has a herpes lesion on her vulva at the time of birth, the child will be delivered by C section rather than expose the baby to the herpes, so great is the chance of a deadly or crippling infection. JOH -Original Message- From: Christine Carleton [mailto:essential-liv...@telus.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDMSO and Herpes Virus Herpes - death - yikes! Just for reference I will share my experience... I -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSeeking CS by IV in San Antonio - or will travel
Get a nebulizer. It can probably get blood levels high enough without IV. JOH -Original Message- From: Dwan Pete [mailto:dwanpe...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:17 PM To: Silver list Subject: CSSeeking CS by IV in San Antonio - or will travel Hi all. My name is Dwan Pete, and I was diagnosed with relapsing-remitting MS in 1997. I've had relief by kiling MS-causing mycoplasma by drinking and nebulizing colloidal silver (CS). I'm currently seeking a doctor in San Antonio, TX (or anywhere), who will give me CS by IV. I'll travel to get CS by IV. Nancy DeLise (who has posted here and who also has MS) has had results by having CS by IV, and faster results than drinking CS alone. If you have any leads, please post contact info or e-mail me at dwanpe...@yahoo.com. While you may not need the CS links below, the person you may try to convince may need info on how CS by IV has helped those with MS. Please forward the links below on CS to all those who can benefit, -- Here are some links to give you info on (CS). The second one gives a link to the story of Nancy DeLise, who has MS and has seen great results after using it. A) Colloidal Silver: A Universal Germ Conqueror Intro to CS with scientific references. A starting point. http://silvermedicine.org/colloidalsilveruniversal.html 1) Nancy DeLise's story She has MS and has drank colloidal silver, had it be nebulizer, and by IV, and says that she has seen some of her lesions vanish or get smaller (as proven by MRI) as well as many of her MS symptoms. Here's the homepage to her story. http://www.msrebel.com/Nancy_%20Delise_Index.htm --- 2) Nancy DeLise's experience with colloidal silver by IV Begins with an overview of her experience with colloidal silver. She begins her discussion of her IV experience in the last paragraph of this page. Her experience continues on the next link: http://www.msrebel.com/P1-nancy%20update.htm --- 3)Continuation, Nancy DeLise's colloidal silver by IV experience http://www.msrebel.com/P2-nancy%20update.htm --- 4) Argyria and colloidal silver: Facts and Fallacies If administered properly, there should be no risk of anyone getting argyria (a permanent, bluish-grey tint to the skin) from drinking, nebulizing, or IV-ing colloidal silver. About all you may hear about colloidal silver in the big-money-controlled media is the risk of getting argyria. There will be no argyria if colloidal silver is administered properly. Read the truth - and lies - about argyria and colloidal silver. Saying that one shouldn't take colloidal silver because of argyria is like saying that one shouldn't eat tuna because someone got food poisoning from eating tuna. What are the facts behind the incident? Had the tuna been sitting out for a few days? Was it bad tuna? http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html --- 5) Herxheimer reaction A normal reaction that one can sustain if one doesn't start slowly and gradually increase the use of colloidal silver. It can be characterized by an increase of exacerbation symptoms. It is caused when the agent (here, colloidal silver) kills off pathogens more quickly than the body can eliminate them. You'll find a more thorough and authoritative discussion here. http://www.silvermedicine.org/herxheimerreaction.html --- 6) Roger Altman's Colloidal Silver Elimination Study A private researcher does study that concludes that properly prepared CS is eliminated by the body. http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html --- 7) Scientific research studies page - colloidal silver Contains a number of scientific research studies that conclude that colloidal silver kills many kinds of bacteria. http://www.silvermedicine.org/scientificstudies.html --- 8) Side effects poll: Colloidal silver enjoys 90% no-side-effects rate 214 regular CS users were polled, and 90% of them report no side effects. http://www.silvermedicine.org/pollresults.html --- If administered properly, there are no proven silver-specific side effects in ingesting, nebulizing, or IVing colloidal silver. There ARE scientific studies that prove that colloidal silver kills many types of bacteria. Don't believe the argyria lies about colloidal silver Here are more, general, links. 9) Silvermedicine.org's homepage References to all kinds of info on colloidal silver. http://www.silvermedicine.org/ --- 10) Essay of colloidal silver If you need more convincing, hopefully, this will do it. It includes info on getting colloidal silver by IV. If done right, colloidal silver use can be safe and effective. Of course, one should use it slowly, gradually increasing the dosage or Herx can hit. Believe me, I've experienced the harm of increasing dosages too fast. But, Herx can hit if one increases dosages of a number of remedies too repidly - not just CS. There's enough positive evidence out there that I'm giving it a try. I haven't found anything yet to suggest that it's not safe, if
RE: CSResearcher friend murdered
I am sorry. He was a true light-being. There are now about 35 dead microbiologists. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSResearcher friend murdered I just received notice that a friend of mine, Gene Mallove was murdered in his home. He did research on alternative energy devices primarily, and I have referred to his work here recently in his magazine Infinite Energy. The alternative energy arena is just a dangerous for pioneers as the alternative health arena unfortunately, they go up against the energy cartels instead of the medical cartels, but neither intend to give up their monopolies without a fight. The world has lost a great researcher trying to assist mankind again. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=infinite+energy+magazinehl=enlr=ie=UTF- 8scoring=dselm=cd2ccfd9.0405180537.6901a548%40posting.google.comrnum=3 Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMethod of action of colloidal silver?
I have read elsewhere that Ag affects prokaryotic cells, but does not affect eukaryotic cells. Is there a difference in the basic cell walls between the two? If not, then the effect must be coming from something that happens inside the cell. I believe also that I have read that silver is capable of entering the nuclear membrane of eukaryotic cells and attacking pathogens therein. I don't think anyone knows how it works. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMethod of action of colloidal silver? From http://health2us.com/colloid.htm?adword=2 : The biological effects of silver are apparently due to reversible bonds with enzymes and other active molecules on the surface of cells. Due to its sulphydryl binding propensity, biologically available silver disrupts membranes, disables proteins and inhibits enzymes. This is an interesting statement but there is not documentation so take it at face value. If it were true that it disabled or inhibited enyzymes it would in fact do so to mammalian systems and cause problems. Since it there is no sign of that happening, I belive this statement to be of limited value in answering this question. More specificity is needed. I emailed them for clarification or documentation. Garnet On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 06:17, theskyk...@aol.com wrote: Hello friends, I am looking for a good resource explaining what colloidal silver does to kill bacteria. Does it inhibit protein formation? Inhibit cell wall formation? What is the method of killing action? Any information or links, please send directly to theskyk...@aol.com Thank you, Bryan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS
RE: Ionic silver must be produced via electrolysis (via electricity ((anode + cathode))), and ions will suppress the CD4 and CD8 functions of your immune system. Citations? Well, if the above is tru, since CS cures such a wide variety of pathogenic conditions, then suppressing those functions must be a good thing. Garnet, will you explain for us what the CD4 and CD8 function are? JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Is this from:?? http://www.mts.net/~revive/index_orig.html
RE: CSLiver cleanse update posted to OT list...
Very interesting stuff Mike, Thank you much. JOH -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSLiver cleanse update posted to OT list... Just a heads-up: I've posted my latest report on the series of liver cleanses I'm doing to the Off Topic list. A link to the OT list archive is in the footer at the bottom of this and every list message... Thank you, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSprocedures with CS, ( Mole Removal )
Hello Wayne, It might be interesting to one-at-a-time eliminate one ingredient to see the essential components. JOH -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wfug...@direcway.com] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 3:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSprocedures with CS, ( Mole Removal ) Evening Marshall and MA, At 11:20 AM 5/14/04, you wrote: Take a bit of cotten and saturate in CS. Then tape it over the mole. Repeat for a few days. I have heard of this working but have not tried it myself. A few months ago, maybe a year, I posted the mixture I used to remove several moles and some skin tags. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSprocedures with CS, ( Mole Removal )
In my experience, some have responded and others not. All my life I had a small skin tag under my right armpit. A few applications and it went away. A tiny--.5 mm bump under my right eye is unchanged. JOH -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wfug...@direcway.com] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 3:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSprocedures with CS, ( Mole Removal ) Evening Marshall and MA, At 11:20 AM 5/14/04, you wrote: Take a bit of cotten and saturate in CS. Then tape it over the mole. Repeat for a few days. I have heard of this working but have not tried it myself. A few months ago, maybe a year, I posted the mixture I used to remove several moles and some skin tags. I cannot say which ingredient does the work. This is in the archives I feel sure. Aloe Juice and Gel Vitamin E CS DMSO I don't even know why I picked these 4 ingredients. The ratio does not have to be exact. I suggest mixing a small amount, 1/2 to one ounce. Select a healthy leaf from the Aloe Plant. Cut the piece 3 or 4 inches long. Slice down the middle and scrape the juice and gel into a container. Use 3 to 5 large Vitamin E capsules, cut a small opening and squeeze out the contents. Add a small quantity of CS, 1 TBS to 1/4 oz. Use about 10 percent by volume DMSO. ( or to suit your taste ) Mix well and apply with a q-tip at frequent intervals. Again, this was a purely instinctive process I did late one night when the mole in the corner of my eye became a nuisance. The mole was about 1/4 X 5/16 in the corner of the eye. At it grew, it became annoying. Within a few days, it became smaller, dried up, and fell off ! Later I used this on skin tags and they did the same.The skin tag needs to be damaged or irritated a bit for this to work best. I don't expect this to work for everyone or work on all moles and skin tags. It may not work at all. A friend also used this same mixture on swollen spots he thought was a spider bite. A few weeks later when I asked him how it worked ( I gave him about one ounce ) his reply was, It worked like a miracle.Likely it was the CS and DMSO. The other things may not be needed. The oily effect of the vitamin E feels good. Aloe has many properties. Likely if one had a pint or quart of this, it would be great when used internally. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSprocedures with CS, ( Mole Removal )
Hello Wayne, Every little thing we do takes so much time and attention. If it works, why need to fiddle with it. The other ingredients can't be harmful. Yes, the malevolent virtual reality is very hard to discuss with most folks. The whole plan is so all-pervasive and entrenched that when you start talking about the nude emperor most folks think you are bonkers. They have been swimming in the goldfish bowl so long that the usual response is, What glass? JOH -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wfug...@direcway.com] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 2:30 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSprocedures with CS, ( Mole Removal ) Morning JOH, It might be interesting to one-at-a-time eliminate one ingredient to see the essential components. Yes, I have thought of that and considered doing it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Anecdotal experience scientific fact
Good Stuff, thank you. JOH -Original Message- From: Christine Carleton [mailto:essential-liv...@telus.net] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 1:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Anecdotal experience scientific fact Anecdotal experience? Scientific fact? A Paradox ... If one is truly interested in healing, medical data and documentation can be useful, but should not be used as the Holy Grail for choosing to use or ignore a particular healing modality. However, this is how people are trained in medical schools. They are trained to only believe in studies that adhere to their industry's set criteria. The double blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study is the gold standard of the scientific medical world. It was purposely designed to eliminate experience, which in large part is where natural healing functions including experimentation and testing of CS, and other natural healing modalities, etc. Real science deals in facts. Healing is not a fact. Healing is a process, an event that lies within each of us and it is a paradox. Healing deals with experience (anecdote). Since a healing anecdote does not comply with the gold standard of medical science, it is rejected. This is why true healing and medical science will always be at odds with one another. An example of the difference between anecdotal experience and scientific fact, and how doctors use it follows. If I have a headache or fever, that is not a fact except to me. If I tell a doctor about it, it is only anecdotal evidence to him. If the doctor takes my temperature and writes it down, the headache becomes medical evidence. If another doctor copies it, it becomes a scientific fact. I'm not suggesting there should not be standards. But standards should be fair and correctly applied. Scientific medical standards are neither fair nor correctly applied when it comes to healing, because healing is not dependent on scientific facts. Healing is vastly more complex than what the scientific medical community has set out. I believe it involves touch, taste, smell, emotion, prayer and meditation, words, visualisation, quantum levels of reality, belief and spirit... most of which the scientific model does not acknowledge. Healing deep or chronic issues requires adjusting perspectives to understanding healing is done from within primarily, supplemented by CS and such things and will remain a paradox until one opens the box to new awareness and greater potential wellness and welcomes the gifts of other modalities including Homeopathic with their silver combinations and BodyTalk. Individuals who are offended or wavering on the fence learning beyond what our teachers taught us, are torn between what they feel in their heart, and their acceptance of the Scientific model for proof. A diagnosis and prognosis can be a liability if that is the whole scope of one's determinates for health. I for one wish them well. Healing may be a paradoxical mind-body connection. Christine Paradox (par¹3-doks¹) n - from the Greek: Conflicting with expectation. A seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be true. One exhibiting inexplicable or contradictory aspects. An assertion that is essentially self-contradictory, though based on a valid deduction from acceptable premises. A statement contrary to received opinion. ---American Heritage Dictionary Christine Carleton, C.B.P. http://www.bodytalksystem.com thebodytalkcli...@telus.net
RE: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
Apparently, some insect venoms are also broken down by heat. In a catalog have seen an egg-shaped battery-powered device that gets very warm on one end. You place the pointy end on the bite. It seems to me that you could obtain a nest egg---those stone eggs used to show hens where to lay---and, using a thermometer or testing the water in a pot with your finger, heat the egg and then apply it to the bite. JOH -Original Message- From: daddybob [mailto:daddybob52...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSpider Bite Zapper? Not too many Brown Recluses down here, but the Black Widows will carry you away. We dare not reach under something without looking under it or turning it over from April to October, and that's not to mention the fire ants, copperheads and rattlers. So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Seems to me this could be good for multiple fire ant bites as well. Maybe even for various bee and wasp stings. Maybe even snake bites. The more I think about this, knowing the coastal jungle in which I live, the more I want one. DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSpider Bite Zapper?
I think the instructions for that were in one of the links I recently posted. JOH -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSpider Bite Zapper? Daddybob asks: So does anyone know how to build a homemade Spider Bite Zapper circuit with the specs of 25,000 volts and 350 milliamps? Or is there a particular stun gun that can be bought and modified, and if so how to modify? Ummm, guys? Before you go running off to build something like this would you please check those specs? It seems to me that over 1/3 of an amp at 25 kilovolts is a rather large amount of energy -- likely lethal. It's certainly enough to stop the heart if used in the wrong spot. I don't think that's what the designers had in mind. frown Did somebody mistake milliamps for microamps, or picoamps? Be careful out there... Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Fever blisters
Long term use of a couple of ounces a day has eliminated the occurrence of the lesions for myself and several other people that I know. JOH -Original Message- From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Fever blisters At 04:01 PM 5/12/04, you wrote: There is no medical documentation that DMSO is viricidal, CS is viricidal. When I feel a fever blister coming in on my lip (usually after eating almonds, I don't know why) I take my colloidal silver generator and put the silver leads one on each side of the fever blister site and hold them there with the current turned on for about 10 seconds. I do this about 3 times that day and the fever blister will go away. If I get to it when its still just an itch the fever blister will never form. If I wait till the blister appears it takes longer to get rid of it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html | David Bearrow | | dav...@sbcglobal.net | + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNon electric remedy for BR
Re: Adolph's Meat Tenderizer. I think it contains the papaya enzyme. Could be that breaks down the venom components. JOH -Original Message- From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNon electric remedy for BR This was sent off list, but it may help someone. .It is simple and works. My friend's husband has had several BR bites. Rails Anyway the remedy I use on the brown recluse spider bite is Adolph's Meat Tenderizer and Vaseline petroleum jelly to make it stick the to bite..put your finger in the Vaseline and then shake some ADOLPH'S.has to have Papaya Extract in it!!!and put it on the bite sight for about 15 minutesremember though, you are meat tooso not too long with the tenderizer on youbut that will draw out the venom for sure and there should be no scars or dead skin if you put it on right away...do it if you even think you got it by this spiderit won't hurt that's for sure. - Original Message - From: Charles Sutton To: Rails02 (tyj) Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: CSFw: Spider bite? Very common here in Florida. Sure send it to me too. Why don't you post it to the list? - Original Message - From: Rails02 (tyj) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: CSFw: Spider bite? Was this a brown recluse? I have a friend that has old remedy that is tried and true. If any want that recipe email me? Rails
RE: CSBest distilled water ?
The CO2 from the air makes it acidic. O2 gets in too, but I am not sure what effect that has. If it is water in the 0.0 to 5 ppm range or the water is conductivity adjusted before making the CS it is usually not of practical concern. JOH -Original Message- From: Marie Hofman [mailto:marie_hof...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSBest distilled water ? Really? so what now - keep our DW in airtight containers? Please tell. Marie. From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSBest distilled water ? Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:22:17 -0600 It changes rapidly with exposure to air. JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBest distilled water ? Distilled water just plain ole varies. I use Foodloin water a lot. Sometimes it's as high as 4 uS...usually around 2 uS. Lately it's been .4 uS Ode At 09:38 PM 5/10/2004 GMT, you wrote: In my recent search for good DW I have found Arrowhead to be among the best testing out at .7 on my Hanna PWT. I paid $2.59 for the 2.5 gal container but now I am seeing the difference between the cheap DW and the good stuff. I looked at the Arrowhead website and they seem to be very quality control minded. Nestle owns Arrowhead, so big $ behind them. The worst DW goes to Smart and Final testing out at 44. Maybe it was mislabeled mineral water. All I got from that stuff was gray, cloudy cs. My Silver Puppy shut down in 10 seconds (auto mode) with that water. I switched to manual mode and got big clouds and wisps and found out later how bad this water was with my PWT. Anyone else find DW testing better than the Arrowhead? Thanks Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Watch movie trailers online with the Xtra Broadband Channel http://g.msn.com/8HMAENNZ/2752??PS=47575 !
RE: CSBest distilled water ?
My meter reads to 0.1. I have never tested anything better than Arrowhead. Some batches read 0.0. Too pure can result in low yield. Some systems advise raising the conductivity to about 8 PPM for best yield. JOH -Original Message- From: scl...@netzero.com [mailto:scl...@netzero.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:38 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBest distilled water ? In my recent search for good DW I have found Arrowhead to be among the best testing out at .7 on my Hanna PWT. I paid $2.59 for the 2.5 gal container but now I am seeing the difference between the cheap DW and the good stuff. I l1ooked at the Arrowhead website and they seem to be very quality control minded. Nestle owns Arrowhead, so big $ behind them. The worst DW goes to Smart and Final testing out at 44. Maybe it was mislabeled mineral water. All I got from that stuff was gray, cloudy cs. My Silver Puppy shut down in 10 seconds (auto mode) with that water. I switched to manual mode and got big clouds and wisps and found out later how bad this water was with my PWT. Anyone else find DW testing better than the Arrowhead? Thanks Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSChemoNebulizing vs IV
That is true. But you don't need any higher levels than you can get breathing it. Plus, you get the O2. Most relevant: if a person with a heavy infection with a pathogen that releases endotoxins you could easily kill them with a chug in the tubes. Regardless of longer-term therapy, if an adult has not been using CS, they should start with a tablespoonful. Even that small an amount can be incredibly potent. I would proportion for little folk by weight. I would do that and build up slowly, with careful monitoring of signs before giving large amounts of CS by any route. Plus, most people can manage to operate an nebulizer or BB's airbrush setup. Geezing is a slowly learned skill, and especially difficult with many older people [Their skin is like leather, and their veins are like Jell-O]. People with low BP are notoriously difficult because the veins collapse. You can't inject a bubble with a nebulizer. A caution: neonatals can have their retina's damaged by too much O2. Like in permanently and totally blind. Expert advice required before using 02 on newborns. It is no fun to try to hit a vein and find afterward that the needle has a round hook on the end, so that if you can eventually push it in, it rips on the way out. Not many folks look at the needle with a glass before they use it. Plus, I have suspected---with no real evidence---that needles have severe effects on the meridians. Who knows if it is good or bad, depending on the condition and exactly where on what vein the infusion is made. Then there is the infection potential. RN's not infrequently jab themselves with contaminated spikes; if they do that they can make other kinds of slips. And, very few people anticipate the IV experience with joy. Great for ruminants, that cannot take in via the alimentary route. I suppose you could make a tent for an animal and nebulize it, but IV is probably quicker/easier. Nonetheless, in the heyday of earlier use of CS, IV was most often used. Doctors do what they are familiar with, like everyone else. That is why they tend to diagnose diseases they know how to treat. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSChemo You could not reach the blood levels with nebulizing that you can with IV. Garnet On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 12:58, James Holmes wrote: You can avoid the jabs by nebulizing. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 11:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSChemo DMSO penetrates the Blood Brain Barrier and is known to normalize cancer cells in vitro. Also has been used to treat cancer in vivo with success. I would mix it with CS and have someone qualified inject it IV as well as drink it and use it topically to ingest as much on a continuous basis as possible. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSChemo-Blood brain barrier
For future reference it may be useful to technically identify the CA type. Send my good hopes to your friend. JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:44 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSChemo-Blood brain barrier Silver has been found in the brains of cadavers by autopsy, misleading some to believe that silver causes brain damage in high doses over time. Obviously, it crossed any barriers in order to get there to be found. Silver is also used to stain damaged brain tissue for diagnostic purposes. [ag/cu staining] Apparently, silver has an affinity for 'damaged' brain tissue rather than being the cause of the damage. Whether or not CS will 'cure' all cases of any cancer wherever it may be is a question that's up for grabs. I have a friend with a large brain tumor who is now [supposedly] substituting CS for water. ...we'll see... Ode At 10:57 AM 5/10/2004 -0700, you wrote: Marshall, Sesquiterpenes cross the blood brain barrier - and help with the type of brain challenges that you refer to. I don't know if CS reaches the brain. Anecdotal stories are valuable re healing. Christine From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Now, it is quite possible that the CS never reached it in the brain. I really don't know. But I sure wish it had worked for him. Trem wrote: While I don't have many anecdotal stories regarding cancer remission I can state that every one of our customers that used at least a pint a day (more in most cases) stated they were cancer free. None used chemo or radiation so we can rule that out. ... Your idea as a preventative is an excellent one. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSspider bite
That's what the off-topic list has been created to serve. JOH -Original Message- From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSspider bite Hi Christine, I know we have been off topic more than a few times and this is an interesting thread. Can you please share your information? Thank you, Jean Baugh ** This list is about CS and its best to stay on topic. I tend get too wordy and take people off topic. It's not appropriate. CC From: Acmeair res00...@gte.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:26:59 -0700 Subject: Re: CSspider bite why not post it here, we are all interested. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSa pottery option for low cost sanitation
Congrats Reid, You have persevered and succeeded. I remember when you started several years ago. Good works. JOH -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com; Kirk Harris; Steve/Paula Fleming; Tom/Sara Kerr; Duane/Alice Zoller; Abe/Nancy Harris; tahit...@netzero.net; pattileh...@earthlink.net; Ronnie Jones; Donald Divine; Don/Doris Scharnitzke; Lois/Neel Heady Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSa pottery option for low cost sanitation Orchids to REID HARVEY, For all the unselfish work Reid has done in stimulating many of our Site Experts to join with him in helping design this marvelous Water Sanitation at very low costs to help the less fortunate around the world! Thanks to Reid and many others too numerous to mention who have brainstormed with Reid and helped him design these blessed winning items. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Reid Harvey [mailto:pott...@wlink.com.np] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:11 AM To: undisclosed recipients Subject: CSa pottery option for low cost sanitation Dear Friends, In case you are interested in low cost, appropriate alternatives for sanitation, please check the following link. http://www.purifier.com.np/silsanpot.html Thanks. Kind regards, Reid Harvey Pottery Water Purifier Project, Nepal http://www.purifier.com.np -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBest distilled water ?
It changes rapidly with exposure to air. JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBest distilled water ? Distilled water just plain ole varies. I use Foodloin water a lot. Sometimes it's as high as 4 uS...usually around 2 uS. Lately it's been .4 uS Ode At 09:38 PM 5/10/2004 GMT, you wrote: In my recent search for good DW I have found Arrowhead to be among the best testing out at .7 on my Hanna PWT. I paid $2.59 for the 2.5 gal container but now I am seeing the difference between the cheap DW and the good stuff. I looked at the Arrowhead website and they seem to be very quality control minded. Nestle owns Arrowhead, so big $ behind them. The worst DW goes to Smart and Final testing out at 44. Maybe it was mislabeled mineral water. All I got from that stuff was gray, cloudy cs. My Silver Puppy shut down in 10 seconds (auto mode) with that water. I switched to manual mode and got big clouds and wisps and found out later how bad this water was with my PWT. Anyone else find DW testing better than the Arrowhead? Thanks Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS: Effective for Hep C?
Drink lots. JOH -Original Message- From: jenni j. [mailto:jj_up_n_...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS: Effective for Hep C? Interested in learning more about Colloidal Silver in treatment for Hepatitis C. Any info will be much appreciated. thanks, jenni j. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSChemo
If if was a skiff we could all sail away JOH -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSChemo And I am STILL feeling miserable about the loss of a friend who died at 32 of stomach cancer. She never did try the CS, alas, but did do the chemotherapy even though the doctors gave her no chance whether she took it or not.Her husband now is a single father of a little girl not yet a year old. How I wish . . . . JBB On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, at 08:31 Asia/Tokyo, Trem wrote: Hi Jean, That's correct. The CS was all they took and the cancers disappeared very rapidly. Some were terminal cases and the CS apparently did the trick. I had one person with metastasized breast cancer and a couple of tumors the size of tennis balls have the tumors disappear in six weeks. The cancer was also all through her bones and body. It's been about 2 years now and she says she's pretty much cancer free. Blood work is normal, etc. I have a few other anecdotal ones like this one. Also have one with a 12 year old dog that was opened by a vet and immediately sewed up with the admonition it'll be gone soon. The tumors completely disappeared in a short time and last I heard the dog was 15 years old. Just used CS as drinking water. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: [silver_list] CSChemo Hi Trem, Are you saying people who HAVE cancer, began to drink CS in the amount of at least a pint a day and THEN were cancer free? Thank you, Jean Baugh While I don't have many anecdotal stories regarding cancer remission I can state that every one of our customers that used at least a pint a day (more in most cases) stated they were cancer free. None used chemo or radiation so we can rule that out. I didn't hear any negative reports from customers but that doesn't mean much. They could have just kept quiet if it didn't work. However it seems a bit odd that I would only get positive feed back so I still think the cells are dedifferentiated and do revert to normal cells as Dr. Becker saw in his in vitro experiments. As best I can tell it works on all cancers. Trem - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSWater Temp
Hi Matthew, Commercial operations sterilize the compost beds with steam to kill the lower order fungi that are the main bain of shrooms; so it might not be a problem there. But most soil is dependent on the microorganisms and other creatures that live in it to break down the rock dust, compost, etc. that feeds the plants. I have no idea how the silver itself would affect the mycelium metabolism. If they are eukaryotic it doubt it will be a problem. I suspect the silver content of those mushrooms that do collect silver to do so in nanogram amounts/cap. What they are very high in is fungicides. I have grown mushrooms in the past, Stropharia Cubenses. Contamination of the culture with Aspergillis and Penicillins before fruiting begins is the most difficult part of the process. If I were to do It again, I would try to filter the air in the space down to spore size. JOH -Original Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:56 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSWater Temp Hi, James, Some people raise mushrooms at home as a hobby, and mushrooms are reputed to have a high uptake of silver - which may explain the medicinal character of some such as the Shiitake. If this is so, mushroom beds could be thought of as a recycling process for CS/EIS batches gone bad, provided the brew doesn't kill them outright. Have you or anybody on the List any information on this possibility? Thanks for all your valuable input. Best regards, Matthew - Original Message - From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: RE: CSWater Temp Have you considered that it may affect the soil flora? JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWater Temp I poured all of my golden batches on one plant last winter, with no other fertilizer given that Masageana grew tremendously during a normally dormant time of year. So I am going to start using it regularly as part of my regular fertilization schedule of all my patio container plants, herbs, flowers and ornamentals. Garnet On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 10:02, Marshall Dudley wrote: I would use it for my topical stuff. Marshall Marie Hofman wrote: What should the temperature of the distilled water be for generating CS? I made some (perhaps with too warm water) and got very golden colour. Should I use it? Marie. Marie. __ __ Need more speed? Get Xtra JetStream! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
