Re: [SLUG] Beating the filter
On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:15:26 +1000 Morgan Storey m...@morganstorey.com wrote: Tor could be a start; http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/06/how-to-setup-tor-and-privoxy-in-ubuntu-feisty-fawn.html There are alternatives out there of course according to http://alternativeto.net/desktop/hotspot-shield/?platform=linux Sending again since I forgot the list: sorry! Yes, I had a look at tor while using Lenny. Very easy to set up and worked well. I haven't tried it yet on Squeeze (the distribution upgrade broke nearly everything - clean install required. I don't think I have *ever* managed an in-place upgrade). Again, though, I am thinking more in terms of a general PR exercise - giving step by step instructions that even my neighbour could follow (she's 101 and using Debian). Cheers, Alan On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:09:42 +1000 Mary Wright mary.wrig...@gmail.com wrote: I have been telling ppl hotspot shield for doze and mac simple to install and control (a shield in systray green working red not) I am sure there is a way to use it on Linux ... just have to configure the anchor servers manually it's a free vpn system into the US ... the up shot you can access sites like HULU .. I think it's meant mainly to access open wifi access points safely Mary As I said to another slugger off-list, my idea was to publish a little pamphlet and load it onto various social networking sites and publishing sites like lulu.com and others. If we did it soon enough, we would not be breaking any laws and it would be almost unstoppable by the Conroy Great Wall. His view (if I understood correctly) was that it was too soon - the technology isn't finalised. I used something with FF sometime back when the Great Wall was first mooted, just to learn how to do it, but naturally I have lost my notes on it and forgotten the details. *I'm* the one who should be attending Nitschke's seminars :-). On 06/04/2010, at 12:54 PM, Jeremy Visser wrote: On 06/04/10 07:25, Alan L Tyree wrote: I personally think it is something that everyone should know. At least according to the Herald article, such advice will be illegal (!) after Chancellor Conroy is finished with us. The easiest way is with SSH. $ ssh -D 9000 some_remote_unfiltered_server Then, in your web browser's proxy settings, tick the SOCKS proxy option, and set it to use localhost port 9000. Done. Browse the web unfiltered. __ Addendum: I could add the (unnecessary) -C flag to enable compression, which would improve performance, but I wanted to illustrate the utter simplicity of the above example. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alanhttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/%7Ealan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Beating the filter
I noticed in today's Herald that Exit International held a seminar for oldies on how to beat the proposed Idiot's Filter that the gummint seems determined to foist upon us. Maybe everyone in SLUG already knows how to do this, but I don't. Maybe some kind slugger would write a very short tutorial and we could email it to everyone that we know. I personally think it is something that everyone should know. At least according to the Herald article, such advice will be illegal (!) after Chancellor Conroy is finished with us. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Beating the filter
On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:09:42 +1000 Mary Wright mary.wrig...@gmail.com wrote: I have been telling ppl hotspot shield for doze and mac simple to install and control (a shield in systray green working red not) I am sure there is a way to use it on Linux ... just have to configure the anchor servers manually it's a free vpn system into the US ... the up shot you can access sites like HULU .. I think it's meant mainly to access open wifi access points safely Mary As I said to another slugger off-list, my idea was to publish a little pamphlet and load it onto various social networking sites and publishing sites like lulu.com and others. If we did it soon enough, we would not be breaking any laws and it would be almost unstoppable by the Conroy Great Wall. His view (if I understood correctly) was that it was too soon - the technology isn't finalised. I used something with FF sometime back when the Great Wall was first mooted, just to learn how to do it, but naturally I have lost my notes on it and forgotten the details. *I'm* the one who should be attending Nitschke's seminars :-). On 06/04/2010, at 12:54 PM, Jeremy Visser wrote: On 06/04/10 07:25, Alan L Tyree wrote: I personally think it is something that everyone should know. At least according to the Herald article, such advice will be illegal (!) after Chancellor Conroy is finished with us. The easiest way is with SSH. $ ssh -D 9000 some_remote_unfiltered_server Then, in your web browser's proxy settings, tick the SOCKS proxy option, and set it to use localhost port 9000. Done. Browse the web unfiltered. __ Addendum: I could add the (unnecessary) -C flag to enable compression, which would improve performance, but I wanted to illustrate the utter simplicity of the above example. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] free speech and internet censorship ?
:
NetBank, Mobile Banking and Telephone Banking will be
unavailable
between
2am and 5am EST on Sunday 4 April 2010 to allow for the
changeover from Australian Eastern Daylight Savings time to
Australian Eastern Standard time. Please take this
timeframe into consideration when completing
your
banking. For updates during this change, please visit:
www.commbank.com.au/update. Please press NEXT to access
NetBank.
Assuming it wasn't an April Fool joke, perhaps it means
their databases
use
local time and the logic won't permit transactions to be
entered out of order such as might appear to be if one
happened just before the
changeover
time and another less than an hour later.
How quaint! I remember hearing once that Commonwealth Bank
servers were always rebooted on Sundays so they'd be less
likely to go down during
the
week.
Odds are its more to do with their internal applications
which are
probably
written on cobalt running on CP/M machines or something
equally modern. Your probably lucky they even know time zones
exist ;-.
My money would be on the very boring option, paranoia:
If you shut down as many of these systems as possible during
the change over,
then those systems *can't* go wrong — because they are doing
nothing.
If you leave them running then, hey, maybe something breaks.
So, if you want to look at the cost/benefit analysis the cost
of a few hours
outage overnight is pretty low, especially if you can schedule
it well in advance, and even more so if you can do some other
maintenance work at the same time.
Meanwhile, no risk of things going wrong during the
change-over, which is always a huge PR fiasco even if nothing
really bad happens.
Daniel
If it was my call, I would probably do the same thing. Way too
many developers get simple things like this day has no 2:30AM
or this day has two 2:00AMs wrong.
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From: Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au
To: slug@slug.org.au
Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:19:10 +1100
Heracles wrote:
Alan L Tyree wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:38:35 +1100
Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
SNIP
{note to Jon: forget Scribus, it still crashes regularly. I
have been trying to use the stable version to produce a
magazine I write for another computer club and had to go back
to using OOo as Scribus crashed almost every time I tried to
use the story editor to change the text a little. It needs a
lot more development to be usable.}
What version of Scribus are you using? I have used it a fair
amount, but always the ScribusNG package. I have never had any
problem with it at all. First on Debian Lenny, recently on
Debian Squeeze. A quick look at the Ubuntu forums didn't turn
up any recent complaints about crashes.
Also, the Scribus website has just announced a bug-fix version
1.3.6.
Since LyX/LaTeX have usually been sufficient for my publishing
needs, I have never been a heavy user of it, so maybe I just
haven't hit the wall. Still, seems surprising to me since I
have had very good results when I have used it.
Cheers,
Alan
Hi Alan,
Version is 1.3.3.14(Stable)
I'll upgrade to 1.3.6 and see if that helps. My magazine is 24
pages, so it should not be a problem for even a simple DTP.
Thanks
Heracles
Just finished the download. I'll see how it goes. Funny thing
happened, I was able to run two instances of Synaptic both
downloading different programs in different windows
simultaneously. It usually won't allow this.
Heracles
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Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Time Pedantry
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:21:58 +1100
Rick Welykochy r...@praxis.com.au writes:
Nick Andrew wrote:
Indeed. The Earth's rotational period does vary slightly
(effect of earthquakes notwithstanding). One reason time is
hard to deal with sensibly is our insistence on synchronising
it to the mean solar day.
// off topic Easter Time time ramblings
Isaac Asimov figured it out years ago. From memory
Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:56:41 +1100 Nick Andrew n...@nick-andrew.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:27:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on (with dates and times especially) in a complex stack of software than just the OS. Consider the amount of legacy software and multi-system integration involved in a bank's computing environment. I see it more like software superstition. Bad things might happen - we don't know, we won't (or can't) test it, and we won't (or can't) fix it. Sorry dudes, but this just sounds like Open Source snootiness from the small end of town. I want my bank to run on logic, not voodoo. Me too. And think of all the **lovely** banking law cases that would come out if the logic is just a ltle bit wrong! I really think the CBA should consider it a public duty to contribute to the Australian jurisprudence on banking law. Cheers, Alan Nick. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:38:35 +1100
Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
SNIP
{note to Jon: forget Scribus, it still crashes regularly. I have been
trying to use the stable version to produce a magazine I write for
another computer club and had to go back to using OOo as Scribus
crashed almost every time I tried to use the story editor to change
the text a little. It needs a lot more development to be usable.}
What version of Scribus are you using? I have used it a fair amount,
but always the ScribusNG package. I have never had any problem with it
at all. First on Debian Lenny, recently on Debian Squeeze. A quick look
at the Ubuntu forums didn't turn up any recent complaints about crashes.
Also, the Scribus website has just announced a bug-fix version 1.3.6.
Since LyX/LaTeX have usually been sufficient for my publishing
needs, I have never been a heavy user of it, so maybe I just haven't hit
the wall. Still, seems surprising to me since I have had very good
results when I have used it.
Cheers,
Alan
Heracles
PS. WHo is the treasurer now and can I organise to pay my subs online
please?
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Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:49:41 +1100
Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
Alan L Tyree wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:38:35 +1100
Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
SNIP
{note to Jon: forget Scribus, it still crashes regularly. I have
been trying to use the stable version to produce a magazine I
write for another computer club and had to go back to using OOo as
Scribus crashed almost every time I tried to use the story editor
to change the text a little. It needs a lot more development to be
usable.}
What version of Scribus are you using? I have used it a fair amount,
but always the ScribusNG package. I have never had any problem with
it at all. First on Debian Lenny, recently on Debian Squeeze. A
quick look at the Ubuntu forums didn't turn up any recent
complaints about crashes.
Also, the Scribus website has just announced a bug-fix version
1.3.6.
Since LyX/LaTeX have usually been sufficient for my publishing
needs, I have never been a heavy user of it, so maybe I just
haven't hit the wall. Still, seems surprising to me since I have
had very good results when I have used it.
Cheers,
Alan
Hi Alan,
Version is 1.3.3.14(Stable)
I'll upgrade to 1.3.6 and see if that helps. My magazine is 24 pages,
so it should not be a problem for even a simple DTP.
I don't know what version I was using on Lenny. The Squeeze version is
1.3.5 and it has always behaved -- but as I said, I have never pushed
it hard, just a few pages. If it can't handle 24 pages then something
is seriously wrong!
Thanks
Heracles
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On-line payments: Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:47:32 +1100 Jake Anderson ya...@vapourforge.com wrote: Rick Welykochy wrote: Jake Anderson wrote: The bank may well be pretty sure that nothing will go wrong but given the cost/benefit ratio its prudent not to take the chance that there is one line of code somewhere or another in the many tens of millions they have that will freak out when the clock goes backwards. What about ATMs? Will they be down for the count? If not, and the main systems are down, they must queue up transactions. The timestamps on those transactions will have to be handled correctly when the queue is processed. Including transactions during the hour the leaps back. Just spoke to somebody in the know netbank is shut down, all other services are unaffected (well common services anyway). Her explanation is this. All other transactions are processed in a batch at night, IF you withdraw money at an ATM your account balance is immediately debited but the transaction itself is just recorded. This is presumably also when all the interests are calculated and so on. Only on business nights are those transactions actually processed to create a statement. Netbank transactions however are processed instantly. As such it can cause issues when the time roles back. Yes and no. Netbank and similar systems are built on the commercial bulk clearing system. In the original version, the bulk clearing was done by the bilateral exchange of tapes - the CEMTEX system. These days, they bilaterally exchange files several times a day. In the commercial system, a customer with a large number of employees prepares a file with the details of each employees salary and banking arrangements. The customers bank sorts the file according to the destination bank and sends the individual files to the appropriate bank. Netbank and similar systems are built on top of this. Very clever in a way, but the commercial system totally ignores the name of the payee. OK in the commercial context, but easy for consumers to make a mistake. The law is clear on who should refund the money when a mistake is made, but because there is no cheap remedy, the banks have simply buggered customers that make a mistake. The Australian Securities and Investments Commission is reviewing the EFT Code of Practice and has said that mistaken payments will be included in the new Code. We'll see. Masochists can read about the legal situation and the bloody mindedness of the banks here: http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan/mistaken-epayments.html Cheers, Alan It probably also has something to do with the age of netbank, its very very new as far as bank software goes. Listening to the errors they have with processing and the like, its enough to make me want to keep my money under the bed. The same can be said about bank-to-bank and bank-to-international transactions. It seems like a problem they must already have to deal with. Transactions world wide into and out of Australia do not stop for an hour at 2:00 AM Easter Sunday, do they? Anyone working in the banking sector out there? cheers rickw -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Replacing Mac HDD (was: Netbooks .... Again (7 months on) Are you still happy?)
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:09:35 +1100 James Gray ja...@gray.net.au wrote: On 21/02/2010, at 7:48 AM, elliott-brennan wrote: Alan Tyree wrote: I have an Apple iBook G4 and the hard drive is showing some damage - it is an IDE drive. Would like to replace with something solid state, but don't really know where to start. Cheers, Alan Hi Alan, I didn't see your original (sans the quoted section above), but the following will probably be of interest to you: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-iBook-G4-12-Inch-800-MHz-1-2-GHz-Hard-Drive-Replacement/166/1 As for putting a SSD where an IDE currently lives, you will more than likely require an IDE-to-SATA converter unless you can find an IDE SSD! If you need the converter, you will probably run out of space : ( Traditional spinning platter IDE drives are still readily available but are (in my experience) a little more expensive ($/MB) than their SATA cousinsthat whole supply/demand thing sux. Yeah, replacing the original hard drive is not complicated, but I was looking to go solid state. The machine is now underpowered, overweight and needs a memory upgrade. The reason I was asking about CF as a hard drive is this adapter which seems like it solves the space problem: http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/ad44midecf.asp But reasonable size CF cards aren't cheap. It doesn't make financial sense, I guess. It is an old favourite since I have written a couple of books on it, but maybe time to put it out to pasture. The basic Dell Mini 10 was on line at $400 this weekend - much lighter, much higher specs. Thanks, Alan Good luck, James -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Replacing Mac HDD (was: Netbooks .... Again (7 months on) Are you still happy?)
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:24:21 +1100 Mike beatbreake...@gmail.com wrote: Along with ur IDE and sata stuff u should think about I know of a good data transfer program called super duper for mac, it's free and I know it works when transfering from a 250g to 500g for eg. Will transfer ur mbr etc... could suit ur needs I guess I should have made it clear that I'm running Debian on the machine. I used OS X for about a week when I bought it, but could never warm up to it. It runs Debian Lenny with the standard Gnome desktop and 512Mb of memory. Not lightning fast, but plenty good enough for the way I use it (emacs, email, web stuff). Thanks, Alan On 22/02/2010, at 8:08, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:09:35 +1100 James Gray ja...@gray.net.au wrote: On 21/02/2010, at 7:48 AM, elliott-brennan wrote: Alan Tyree wrote: I have an Apple iBook G4 and the hard drive is showing some damage - it is an IDE drive. Would like to replace with something solid state, but don't really know where to start. Cheers, Alan Hi Alan, I didn't see your original (sans the quoted section above), but the following will probably be of interest to you: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-iBook-G4-12-Inch-800-MHz-1-2-GHz-Hard-Drive-Replacement/166/1 As for putting a SSD where an IDE currently lives, you will more than likely require an IDE-to-SATA converter unless you can find an IDE SSD! If you need the converter, you will probably run out of space : ( Traditional spinning platter IDE drives are still readily available but are (in my experience) a little more expensive ($/MB) than their SATA cousinsthat whole supply/demand thing sux. Yeah, replacing the original hard drive is not complicated, but I was looking to go solid state. The machine is now underpowered, overweight and needs a memory upgrade. The reason I was asking about CF as a hard drive is this adapter which seems like it solves the space problem: http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/ad44midecf.asp But reasonable size CF cards aren't cheap. It doesn't make financial sense, I guess. It is an old favourite since I have written a couple of books on it, but maybe time to put it out to pasture. The basic Dell Mini 10 was on line at $400 this weekend - much lighter, much higher specs. Thanks, Alan Good luck, James -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Replacing Mac HDD (was: Netbooks .... Again (7 months on) Are you still happy?)
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:48:28 +1100 elliott-brennan elliottbren...@gmail.com wrote: Alan Tyree wrote: I have an Apple iBook G4 and the hard drive is showing some damage - it is an IDE drive. Would like to replace with something solid state, but don't really know where to start. Cheers, Alan Hi Alan, You'll need the following: 1 x webcam 1 x address for others to watch 1 x one blindfold 1 x hammer Just remember IANAME (*1) HTH Regards, Patrick (*1) I Am Not A Mac Expert Sigh! I guess I asked for it, so I can't really complain. You forgot to add that when I finish I should by a Lenovo. Cheers, Alan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Netbooks .... Again (7 months on) Are you still happy?
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:56:14 +1100 Terry Dawson t...@animats.net wrote: SNIP 4. What sort of battery life are you getting (esp. now after 6 months) With stock hardware I get about 4.5 hours of solid use from a charge. I have a CF-card-based replacement for my internal hard-drive that I intend to try out to see what difference that makes at some point or another. How well does CF work as a hard drive replacement? I see mixed comments when I googled for it. What kind of adaptive gear do you need. I have an Apple iBook G4 and the hard drive is showing some damage - it is an IDE drive. Would like to replace with something solid state, but don't really know where to start. Cheers, Alan 5. How easy was it to get your chosen Linux up and running (this is of course relative to the person - Me. I'm no genius, but I can figure it out if I have to) No brainer, it came with an Ubuntu derivative pre-installed, but I rebuilt it with the Ubuntu Netbook remix anyway. 6. How has the build quality stood up Just fine, no sign of any breakages or weakness of any sort. 7. What sorts of quirks have you discovered The WiFi seems a little deaf and the touchpad is in an occasionally annoying position. regards Terry -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Problems with DVD creation
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:54:10 +1100 elliott-brennan m...@elliott-brennan.id.au wrote: Hi all, I'm quite stuck and would really appreciate some advice/assistance/ideas. My apologies for the long post but I'm trying to be clear about what's happening and trying to solve it without wasting people's time. I'm having a weird experience with DVD creation and playing. Presently using Kubuntu Karmic 9.10. All the hardware is the same as prior to upgrading from 8.04. I installed 9.10 about four months ago. SNIP BUT get this: If I hit the key that looks like this on the DVD player and in-car DVD player | (forwards by scene??) and then hit the play button I get the first video in the queue and sometimes can | through to the second video() SNIP Well, I'm stumped. Well and truly. Any help would be very gratefully and willingly accept...I'm too confused and tired now. Hi Patrick, Feels like teaching my grandmother how to suck eggs to give *you* any advice on videos, but . My power supply blew out last week and so I had to fire up an old machine. I installed Ubuntu Koala on it, and did all the updates. Using DVDStyler, I noticed that the setting on the button properties that tells it where to go didn't stick. Every time I made any little change I had to go back and reset the button properties telling the thing where to go. (I always use the Jump to titleset Action settings) In a panic, I checked that the DVD works in the old player and it does (two titles). I'm back on Debian Lenny now, so can't confirm any of this. Anyway, it seems funny that it would work on your computer but not the DVD player. Cheers, Alan Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mailing list web archives..... Is this leagal ?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:12:59 +1100 Troy Rollo t...@parrycarroll.com.au wrote: On Tuesday 16 February 2010 09:59:37 pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: I am not a lawyer, but structly speaking, I believe that copyright in the individual members' posts resides with the poster. So theoritcally you';d have to ask all the people who post to all the mailing lists. In practice though it doesn;t matter --- in sending something to a mailing list one implcitly gives permission to all the consumers of that list, including third party archive sites, to reproduce the message. Peter's comments on the key principles that apply are mostly correct. The only thing I would add is be careful in relying on implied consent. The scope of implied consent in the case of mailing list traffic is not something that is entirely certain. Implying consent for a person to quote a message in reply (such as in the quote above, for example), or for the list owner to keep an archive, is likely to be easier than implying consent for third party archiving. If somebody whose posts on a mailing list were to go and sue a third party archiver the answer would likely only be determined after some disproportionately expensive litigation that would end in tears for everybody except the lawyers. Real lawyers don't cry :-). I add my support to this caution. The Courts are recognising increased expectations of privacy and pulling back on implied consent. Cheers, Alan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ldd report from rkhunter
Dear SLUGGERS, I just got this report from rkhunter on my machine: Warning: The file properties have changed: File: /usr/bin/ldd Current inode: 331476Stored inode: 17196 Current file modification time: 1263451668 Stored file modification time : 1231069314 I see that ldd prints the shared libraries required by each program, but I don't understand why it should have been changed or if I should be worried about it. I ran chkrootkit and it showed no warnings. System is Debian Lenny amd64. What does it all mean? Thanks for help. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ldd report from rkhunter
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:54:01 -0600 Rodolfo Martínez rmt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alan, You can find what package provides the ldd program, and then verify the integrity of the package. If it really changed I think you should look for any suspicious activity in your server. I think you can find the package with dpkg -S $(which ldd) and you can check its integrity with debsum. OK, it is in libc6 and the debsum checked out OK. ldd shouldn't change, unless you have updated your system. I accept the regular Lenny security updates. I can't remember if libc6 was one of them or not. Thanks for your help. alan Rodolfo Martínez Dirección de Proyectos Aleux México | http://www.aleux.com On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: Dear SLUGGERS, I just got this report from rkhunter on my machine: Warning: The file properties have changed: File: /usr/bin/ldd Current inode: 331476 Stored inode: 17196 Current file modification time: 1263451668 Stored file modification time : 1231069314 I see that ldd prints the shared libraries required by each program, but I don't understand why it should have been changed or if I should be worried about it. I ran chkrootkit and it showed no warnings. System is Debian Lenny amd64. What does it all mean? Thanks for help. Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ldd report from rkhunter - Update
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:54:01 -0600 Rodolfo Martínez rmt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alan, You can find what package provides the ldd program, and then verify the integrity of the package. If it really changed I think you should look for any suspicious activity in your server. I think you can find the package with dpkg -S $(which ldd) and you can check its integrity with debsum. ldd shouldn't change, unless you have updated your system. Just checking the Debian Security site ( http://www.debian.org/security/) I see that it was updated for the amd64 architecture. Thanks for the lesson on how to check out this sort of thing. Cheers, Alan Rodolfo Martínez Dirección de Proyectos Aleux México | http://www.aleux.com On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Alan L Tyree a...@austlii.edu.au wrote: Dear SLUGGERS, I just got this report from rkhunter on my machine: Warning: The file properties have changed: File: /usr/bin/ldd Current inode: 331476 Stored inode: 17196 Current file modification time: 1263451668 Stored file modification time : 1231069314 I see that ldd prints the shared libraries required by each program, but I don't understand why it should have been changed or if I should be worried about it. I ran chkrootkit and it showed no warnings. System is Debian Lenny amd64. What does it all mean? Thanks for help. Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Desktop publishing
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:59:58 +1100 Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I've recently taken back the job of creating the monthly magazine for a computer club I have been a member of since 1982. The person who gave me a couple of years rest used windows and word so I will have to recreate the templates from scratch probably. The magazine is 24 pages for which the format is fairly fixed. Page 1 is a cover with graphics and some text, Page 2 has an index (which obviously changes monthly) and other fixed text and page 24 is basically fixed with only a small part (Dates) of its text changing monthly. Pages 3 to 23 (where all the new content is placed) are set up as 2 columns with a footer but no header. SNIP Scribus has been mentioned already and it is very good and easy to work with. However, from the sound of your publication, I think I would use LyX. You have very few graphics and the rest of it sounds like it would fit easily into the LyX format. I self-published a cookbook that my wife wrote and it had quite a bit of graphics - went like a charm with LyX. You can see some of the pages at http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/the-restless-minestrone/728996# I used Scribus to do the front and back cover. If your newsletter is no more complicated than this, then go with LyX. HTH, Alan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAktOiK4ACgkQybPcBAs9CE85PACfafQ5gf7aoUHM6l1XVhoaLgeW oRUAnAyuf0bC8R6tRkj530irBDBfw6Ri =mOlx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Desktop publishing
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:59:58 +1100 Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I've recently taken back the job of creating the monthly magazine for a computer club I have been a member of since 1982. The person who gave me a couple of years rest used windows and word so I will have to recreate the templates from scratch probably. The magazine is 24 pages for which the format is fairly fixed. Page 1 is a cover with graphics and some text, Page 2 has an index (which obviously changes monthly) and other fixed text and page 24 is basically fixed with only a small part (Dates) of its text changing monthly. Pages 3 to 23 (where all the new content is placed) are set up as 2 columns with a footer but no header. SNIP I should have added a few more notes about LyX. First, you can get a better preview of The Restless Minestrone here: http://books.google.com/books?id=w0hUXHizmaACdq=tyree+restless+minestroneprintsec=frontcoversource=blots=Pe8Cn4xBv6sig=Mhnh1GqzsKDyUa_duZKO3kAupDwhl=enei=FadOS9_3N5SXkQW41cSwCgsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1ved=0CAcQ6AEwAA#v=onepageq=f=false (If that doesn't come through, just Google tyree restless minestrone) Second, I used Memoir class to make the book. Lots of the lists/graphics are in boxes which are just LaTeX minipages. Third, I enjoyed the experience with LyX so much that I wrote short (100 pages) book Self-publishing with LyX which is available as a free PDF download from Lulu.com: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/self-publishing-with-lyx/1502465 The Self-publishing book is based on an earlier version of LyX, but the details haven't changed much. LyX itself has some of the best open source documentation that I have seen. HTH, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Advice Request for moving a Ubuntu installation to a larger disk and 4Gb RAM
SNIP Aside from the work mentioned above, I also edit some really big video files and do ffmpeg transformations on them. Right. In which case 64 bit is for you. So, is there some way of choosing which of the above is the best option for me? I'd suggest trying both out and see. Typically for things like graphics/video editing, I suggest 64 bit almost exclusively now because the programs are written assuming they can hold a lot of data in RAM. Adrian (Who isn't Daniel, but has hacked on a bit of PAE code in his time.) Many thanks to Daniel and Adrian who is not Daniel for the helpful pointers. Looks like a good time to try 64 bits. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Advice Request for moving a Ubuntu installation to a larger disk and 4Gb RAM
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:15:08 +1100 Bill Donoghoe donogh...@gmail.com wrote: I am about to upgrade a HP notebook to a larger hard disk (replace the 90Gb disk with 500Gb) and double the RAM (from 2Gb to 4Gb). In addition, to complicate matters, I would like to LVM on the larger disk to manage the linux partitions. This is the final stage of my slow move from Windows to Linux. I have the luxury of having two HP notebooks with similar but not identical hardware specifications (NC8430 and 6910p) to test various aspects of the migration (Virtual Box, video drivers for Ubuntu, etc). the current situation is that one machine has my Windows XP environment and the other my Ubuntu environment (Jaunty). I want to end up with a Windows partition and LVM managed Linux partitions on HP NC8430, 500Gb HDD, 4Gb RAM Here are the requests for advice: 1. What do I need to do to get Ubuntu to use 4Gb RAM? My current Jaunty installation only recognises around 3Gb. Is this just a kernel upgrade or I just went through this with Debian Lenny: use the bigmem kernel. Can't help much on the other questions though. Cheers, Alan 2. How complicated is it to move my linux setup from a single partition to the lvm partitions on the larger disk. My latest thought is to: a. update Ubuntu on the hard disk to match the current working environment (fix apt-get config files and/or dpkg -l on both and diff them, and them update) b. If I copy /usr and /var from the working environment to the new environment will that cause problems? (it will save re-installing some software that isn't managed by apt) c. copy /home from working environment to new disk (recommended method? rsync to new drive connected via USB?) d. use pgdump / pgrestore to move postgres databases across e. Backup new disk f. find out what doesn't work? What have I missed? Thanks, in anticipation Bill -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Advice Request for moving a Ubuntu installation to a larger disk and 4Gb RAM
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:39:48 +1100 Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 13:15 +1100, Bill Donoghoe wrote: 1. What do I need to do to get Ubuntu to use 4Gb RAM? My current Jaunty installation only recognises around 3Gb. Is this just a kernel upgrade or If I remember correctly we don't support 3GB on 32-bit installs anymore - the performance overhead is terrible. AIUI you can however run a 32 bit userspace on a 64-bit kernel - but I've not done this so can't offer advise ;). There /may/ be a kernel flavour that has PAE turned on - check the server flavours. (But again, warning, slow). al...@stormy:~/data$ uname -a Linux stormy 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Sat Oct 17 18:25:48 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux I haven't noticed any performance hit. Box is Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz with 4GB of memory. My stuff is mostly NOT cpu intensive, but I do an occasional compile (LyX) and LaTeX large documents. No observable change. Cheers, Alan 2. How complicated is it to move my linux setup from a single partition to the lvm partitions on the larger disk. My latest thought is to: a. update Ubuntu on the hard disk to match the current working environment (fix apt-get config files and/or dpkg -l on both and diff them, and them update) b. If I copy /usr and /var from the working environment to the new environment will that cause problems? (it will save re-installing some software that isn't managed by apt) c. copy /home from working environment to new disk (recommended method? rsync to new drive connected via USB?) d. use pgdump / pgrestore to move postgres databases across e. Backup new disk f. find out what doesn't work? What have I missed? Sure, or you could: partition the new disk boot into readonly single user mode mount the new partitions somewhere sensible rsync everything to them. reboot -Rob -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Asus Eee PC 900
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:59:48 +0800 lesl...@ozemail.com.au lesl...@ozemail.com.au wrote: A friend who had one of the above, but thought it unsuitable, gave it to me. I find it very suitable for certain things and want to continue using it. However, it came with Windows XP and I'd prefer to run Linux on it. At the same time, I don't want to wipe XP and then find the computer doesn't work properly with Linux. I solved that problem on a laptop I use by using Wubi to install Ubuntu. I looked for a way to install Ubuntu Netbook Remix on the Eee by using Wubi, but there doesn't seem to be one. Are people running versions of Linux on this or similar computers that they've been able to install easily while keeping Windows? I have a 701 that I use extensively when travelling and now and again when I wake up from a nap on the couch :-). I use the Debian installation described here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC Alan Thank for reading this, Leslie. -- To see papers written by me on, among other things, literary allusions in Australian reasons for judgment, start here: http://ssrn.com/author=1164057 To see photos taken by me of, among other things, Sydney now (as well as comparative photos taken by others of Sydney then), start here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23623...@n03/sets/72157604225021655/ -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Asus Eee PC 900
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:59:48 +0800 lesl...@ozemail.com.au lesl...@ozemail.com.au wrote: A friend who had one of the above, but thought it unsuitable, gave it to me. I find it very suitable for certain things and want to continue using it. However, it came with Windows XP and I'd prefer to run Linux on it. At the same time, I don't want to wipe XP and then find the computer doesn't work properly with Linux. I solved that problem on a laptop I use by using Wubi to install Ubuntu. I looked for a way to install Ubuntu Netbook Remix on the Eee by using Wubi, but there doesn't seem to be one. Are people running versions of Linux on this or similar computers that they've been able to install easily while keeping Windows? I have a 701 that I use extensively when travelling and now and again when I wake up from a nap on the couch :-). I use the Debian installation described here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC Alan Thank for reading this, Leslie. -- To see papers written by me on, among other things, literary allusions in Australian reasons for judgment, start here: http://ssrn.com/author=1164057 To see photos taken by me of, among other things, Sydney now (as well as comparative photos taken by others of Sydney then), start here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23623...@n03/sets/72157604225021655/ -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] LaTeX and Word
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:21:14 +0930 David Lloyd lloy0...@adam.com.au wrote: Couldn't you do a dvi2rtf or get the LaTeX into RTF which most Word readers could read? I use tex4ht. It has a script oolatex which produces OO files. Save as a word document. It works well for me on a 600+ page document with multiple indexes. Alan DSL -Original Message- From: wbenn...@turing.une.edu.au To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: [SLUG] LaTeX and Word Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:10:01 +1000 Could someone help me with a problem I have with Fred? I know and use LaTeX: Fred does not. So: 1. LaTeX a document. Produce a pdf file. 2. Produce a Word document, no matter how crude. 3. Mail both to Fred. Fred inspects the pdf document and edits the Word document. 4. Fred mails the Word document back to me and I make the changes to the LaTeX document. Number 2 is what's the matter. Is there a quick and dirty way to do this? It doesn't have to be marvellous, just accurate wrt text. Any help, etc. Regards, Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Indexing under Linux
On Sat, 30 May 2009 06:58:52 +1000 Ken Wilson kenwi...@ozemail.com.au wrote: lyx has an indexing tool, where you insert tags to parts you want indexed through your text and it generates an index at the end, much the same as it can generate a bibliography. this requires author input and thought about what you want indexed, rather than being automatically generated. Automatic generation would be hard to give good results. ken This is really just the LaTeX embedded indexing. One of Jon's earlier posts explained that this is not what real indexers do. I both agree and disagree with Jon. Real indexers do not use embedded systems. Unfortunately, in real life, the real indexer is the author, and most authors use embedded indexing. It is one of the reasons why most indexes are so bad. Embedded indexing is very hard to keep consistent, and most authors know SFA about indexing. I have fooled around a bit with semi-automatic indexing. Instead of trying to do it all automatically, start out with index entries that seem suitable for your book (in other words, steal an index from a similar book). Apply these entries through some form of automatic indexing. The main objection to this is that it is just indexing words. This is true. But, if you look at most real indexes, probably 90% of the the entries _are_ indexing words. Alan Jon wrote: I have been asked by the editor of The Indexer -- the academic journal of indexers worldwide -- to write a brief non-technical piece about indexing under Linux; and by 'indexing' here I mean creating the A-Z indexes found at the backs of books and journals. My impression is that there is currently no specific Linux indexing software and no projects going on to create any, but because of the many meanings of 'index' it's hard to search the Web for this conclusively. Does anyone have any information they would like to share on book indexing software projects specifically for Linux, either free or commercial? Respond directly to me if you don't think others will be interested. I will take silence to mean 'No'. Thanks, Jon. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Indexing under Linux
On Sat, 30 May 2009 08:29:24 +1000 Jon jonjer...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I think we have to define what we mean by 'real life' here... Most textbooks and other serious non-fiction books from major publishers which have indexes at all, have them created from scratch by a human with a PC, writing down entries in page number order and then sorting them into alphabetical order. (I'm not talking about in-house computer manuals here.) Unfortunately, due to one of the archaic traditions which infest publishing, the author usually has the financial responsibility to provide an index. Some do it themselves: some do a very good job; some don't. But -- just as a professional artist is called in to design the cover -- many authors will recognise their limitations and call in a professional indexer. My only experience is with legal textbooks, my own and those of colleagues. You are right about the author usually having responsibility. There usually isn't enough money in the project to afford an external indexer. If there is enough, then it is possible to push the responsibility onto the publisher. Not a happy situation. For legal textbooks, the problem is somewhat alleviated by indexing to paragraph numbers. Using awful LaTeX macros, my own book is indexed in this way. It also allows the index to be carried consistently between editions - important for legal books. There aren't a lot of us -- maybe 50 in Australia doing more than an occasional index. But if you want to get an idea of what we actually do, check out www.anzsi.org. And if anyone's seriously interested in looking at the kind of software we need and use, there are Windows demo versions available from I know what professional indexers do. I have their services on some projects (large, expensive looseleaf specialist publications), and I wish like hell that I had them available on everything! It's just not possible on my limited budget, so I make do. I have noticed that it's not a perfect world :-). Interesting and challenging problem. Cheers, Alan http://www.sky-software.com and http://www.indexres.com Jon. Alan L Tyree wrote: This is really just the LaTeX embedded indexing. One of Jon's earlier posts explained that this is not what real indexers do. I both agree and disagree with Jon. Real indexers do not use embedded systems. Unfortunately, in real life, the real indexer is the author, and most authors use embedded indexing. It is one of the reasons why most indexes are so bad. Embedded indexing is very hard to keep consistent, and most authors know SFA about indexing. I have fooled around a bit with semi-automatic indexing. Instead of trying to do it all automatically, start out with index entries that seem suitable for your book (in other words, steal an index from a similar book). Apply these entries through some form of automatic indexing. The main objection to this is that it is just indexing words. This is true. But, if you look at most real indexes, probably 90% of the the entries _are_ indexing words. Alan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Synchronizing from Windows to Linux
On Tue, 26 May 2009 09:44:36 +1000 Andre Kolodochka kol...@gmail.com wrote: Given that my Lacie Ethernet disk just died, I was thinking of solid backup solutions for my personal files (20-30Gb). Since I have already Linux hosting with way more disk space than I need, I thought it will be great if I could sync a folder on my local drive to a folder on that Linux box... somewhere there. The problem is my local box running Windows, otherwise rsync would do wonders. Anybody knows of a good tool I could use to sync Windows folders to Linux ones? And the one that will work over Internet, not just LAN. I use unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ It claims to run on Windows, but I have no experience with that. Alan Thanks in advance. Andre. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] NY TImes article
I think this is on topic for slug. The article is entitled With New Software, Iranians and Others Outwit Net Censors. You need to register to read the article, but I found that BugMeNot passwords got me in. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/technology/01filter.html?pagewanted=1_r=1hp http://www.bugmenot.com/view/nytimes.com -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Reminder: nominations for 2009 SLUG Elections are open!
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:47 +1100 Lisa Roberts l...@lisaroberts.com.au wrote: Hi Sridhar, Do you know a way of converting a .lnx document, and its Jabref, to Word for Windows and Endnote? What a question! (I hear you say). My supervisor wants me to send him my thesis as a Word .doc. so he can make changes. But I like using Lyx and Jabref. Is there some solution? This is obviously not meant for the list, but Try oolatex, part of the tex4ht package. You may have to export to LaTeX first, depending on how your LyX is set up. oolatex produces an OpenOffice.writer document which you can then export to a .doc file. I have done this successfully with book length LaTeX documents. oolatex may not be on your execution path. I needed to insert a symbolic link in Debian Lenny. HTH, Alan Cheers, Lisa that it On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:40:46 +1100 Sridhar Dhanapalan presid...@slug.org.au wrote: Dear Sydney Linux Users Group members, This message is a reminder that the Sydney Linux Users Group will hold its Annual General Meeting of Members on Friday March 27th 2009 (tomorrow!) at 07:00pm EDST at the Atlassian offices, 173-185 Sussex Street, Sydney, NSW, Australia. For a user-friendly guide to the AGM, see [0]. Members unable to attend the meeting may raise issues for the committee to respond to either publicly, by mailing the SLUG Activities mailing list[1], or privately by mailing the Committee directly at commit...@slug.org.au. The agenda and summary for the meeting is as follows (also available online at [2]): * President's welcome * Confirmation of minutes of the 2008 AGM * Presentation of financials for fiscal year ended 30 June 2008 * Election of 2009-2010 SLUG Committee * General business, questions from the floor * AGM close The minutes for the 2008 AGM are available at [3]. Members interested in serving on the Committee are highly encouraged to nominate themselves for one or more positions. A significant number of existing committee members have indicated that they will not be running for re-election. SLUG membership is $15 for students, and $25 for everyone else. If you would like your membership cancelled so as not to receive further mails like this, please email commit...@slug.org.au indicating that. Voting will occur at the meeting by show of hands by financial members (identified by possession of a membership card). Members unable to attend in person may appoint a proxy to vote on their behalf, in accordance with Section 4.11, and Appendix 2, of the SLUG constitution[4]. Parties should notify the secretary of their appointment of a proxy via digitally signed e-mail to commit...@slug.org.au, using the form mentioned in Appendix 2. The committee will ask that the members ratify its activities as detailed in the office bearers' reports were in accordance with the organisation's aims. These reports will be presented at the AGM. On behalf of the committee I would like to thank you for your continued interest in SLUG and involvement with the community to date, and encourage you to pass on any questions or ideas you may have about the organisation's future to the SLUG Activities mailing list[5] or the committee[6] directly. Yours sincerely, Sridhar Dhanapalan President, Sydney Linux Users Group [0] http://wiki.slug.org.au/agm_guide [1] http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/activities [2] http://wiki.slug.org.au/2009agm [3] http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2009/03/msg00254.html [4] http://wiki.slug.org.au/activeconstitution [5] http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/activities [6] http://slug.org.au/contacts.html --- Lisa Roberts www.lisaroberts.com.au www.antarcticanimation.com Post:- Suite 326, 353 King Street Newtown, NSW, 2042 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:29:32 +1100 Sonia Hamilton so...@snowfrog.net wrote: * Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net [2009-03-19 12:02:41 +1100]: On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 11:46 +1100, Sonia Hamilton wrote: Is there any reason why you want to use a *distributed* VCS? For personal stuff it's probably overkill, and using a centralised VCS will make your life easier. In which case use Subversion. I've been away for a couple of days, so have missed most of this interesting conversation. I work on two different machines (sometimes three), but none of them are always on. I don't have any machine that is a natural choice for a central repository. The DVCS seemed like it took care of my problem. Any other copy solution seems to be prone to an accidental overwrite when I'm tired or in a hurry. In the past I've use a simple RCS solution for the version control, and rsync with a Makefile for keeping the two machines in lockstep. Pretty good, really, but still possible to stuff it up when not thinking. That means too often. I sometimes have to do collaborative writing with Windows users. Would that tip the scales in favour of bzr (assuming that I can even get those people to consider getting away from Word)? SNIP PS You might want to lookup what tonto means [1] before you go around calling people it. It was a term of disrespect for Amerindians on the US/Mexican border in the 1800's. At least be grammatically correct, and call me tonta :-p [1] http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/tonto For anyone born in the US during the last century, as I was, Tonto is the Lone Ranger's faithful Indian companion. When we were kids, it was worth fighting to be Tonto rather than the paleface. It's probably no longer politically correct, but for different reasons than those mentioned. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: [chat] Version control
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:49:36 +1100 Erik de Castro Lopo mle+s...@mega-nerd.com wrote: Alan L Tyree wrote: Hi all, Looking for some advice. I have used RCS version control for writing LaTeX documents for some time, but am looking at the advantages of using a distributed version control system. Are there any serious advantages of one over the other? I have played around a little bit with Bazaar, but would like to make sure before I commit (oh!) to one system or another. I have used GNU Arch, Bzr, CVS, Darcs, Git, Hg, Perforce, SVN and probably some others. I find them all a PITA, but of all the ones I've tried, Bzr is the least painful :-). BTW, I would have thought this was appropriate content for the main SLUG list. Probably right. I'll copy to that. I'm mainly concerned with writing partly on my main machine, partly on several laptops. Some Distributed version control seemed like it might be a good answer. In what way did you find them a PITA? Thanks for the comments. Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo - Never argue with stupid people. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] The LaTeX Problem revisited.
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:31:58 +1100 (EST)
wbenn...@turing.une.edu.au wrote:
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Need to run bibtex?
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Re: [SLUG] MP3 player mounting on old machine but not new machine
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:40:02 +1100 elliott-brennan elliottbren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jake, My USB drives work on the various ports and I'm running other USB devices on the various (6) USB ports, e.g.. Web Cam, mouse, scanner, headphones (HP ones which have an very cool additional bass capacity utilising power from the USB port) and these all work...except for this device. I started out trying it in the USB hub. I've tried it directly plugged-in in the front and back ports, but nada. Annoying. Thanks for the suggestions though and for taking time out on Boxing Day to answer my post. Very kind. Hey Patrick, Maybe a missing module? Doesn't seem likely since your other USB devices seem to work, but compare the modules loaded in the old machine with those in the new. Cheers, Alan Regards, Patrick Jake Anderson wrote: Its not something simple like you mixed the wires up on the USB plug? IE try plugging a mouse or something in and see if it works. try the physical usb ports on the mbo (at the back) rather than a front usb port as well. elliott-brennan wrote: Hi all, After the HDD died in my machine, I took the opportunity to upgrade to a new machine, so built a Quad-core 2.8Ghz machine with an ASUS P5QC mobo. We bought our daughter a Samsung Pebble (very small digital music device. Very cute). It mounts easily on the machine I built for her (1.2? Ghz P4 Abit mobo - I think). I've installed GOS on it. Very pretty looking and an easy install. Now, on her machine, using the USB adapter this little Pebble shows up as a mass storage device. Easy. GOS uses Ubuntu 8.04 as it's base. My machine has Kubuntu 8.04 installed. It does not see the Pebble at all. dmesg shows no activity when I plug in the device. lsusb does not show the drive. fdisk -l does not show the drive Searching /dev for /sd named devices does not show the device either. I've also tried this device in my wife's eeepc. Nada. Another thing, in case it's relevant. The device has three partitions (can't remember what two are called, but one is called 'music'). I'm a bit clueless at this moment. Anyone with any ideas? I'm assuming it has something to do with the older machine have the older model USB adapters, but given the device is brand new (they're quite new to the market) I'd have thought I'd have had more problems with the device on the old machine. Regards and a Happy New Year, Patrick -- Registered GNU/Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Netbook experiences?
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:13:44 +1100 Morgan Storey m...@morganstorey.com wrote: Are any of the hardware features lost with eeebuntu though? Like the wifi, or quick start? Can't say about eeebuntu, but with Debian Lenny everything works. Booting is probably slower than the original, but not much. Wifi and webcam and hotkeys all work. Alan On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:42 PM, elliott-brennan elliottbren...@gmail.comwrote: I have a 701 (well, the wife has it :)) on which I installed eeebuntu which works a treat. The screen is small, and the keyboard is small, but it is also very light and quick to start/shut-down. It certainly does the job we got it for. A larger keyboard and screen would be nice, but at the price it's hard to complain. It cost $275 from msy.com.au (no, I don't work there) but they've since gone up to $299. It had the Xandros install, which admittedly was very quick to start (45 seconds) and very responsive, but a little limited and certainly not as beautiful as the eeebuntu GUI. Regards, Patrick -- Registered GNU/Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards Morgan Storey,A+, MCSE:Security. IT Security Specialist. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Netbook experiences?
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:56:29 +1100 Marghanita da Cruz marghan...@ramin.com.au wrote: Dean Hamstead wrote: what was wrong with Xandros - which the 701 shipped with? it wasnt debian. Ok, but I have had problems installing basic debian...and went with the knoppix distro in 2004. I installed Debian on the 701 without problems. It even installed through the wireless. Very neat. I'm running mine with a fluxbox interface and it is good fun. Alan There are a number of distributions based on Debian. Some users might want to take a look at these distributions in addition to the official Debian releases. This is done for a number of reasons (better localization support, specific hardware support, simplified installation, etc). # Ubuntu # Xandros http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Problem with USB ports
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:54:04 +1100 Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Allen wrote: I have a Dell system loaded with Hardy Heron. The screen has 2 USB ports. With Dapper drake they worked just fine. Every time I plugged in a Flash Drive or digital camera, an appropriate Icon appeared on the desktop (and in the places menu) for me to view and transfer data. I have lost that since my upgrade to Hardy Heron. With the flash drive I get no response at all. The digital camera detects that the PC is connected but the PC will acknowledge the camera. Can any one advise how to solve this problem? Start with tail -f /var/log/messages, plug in the device, see if it gives you any insights. Also lspci, lsusb. I just had a similar problem on a Lenny installation. The problem was permissions. Check under System - Users and groups. Make sure that you have permission to access external storage devices. Alan Sonia. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] wifi in hardy on compaq c700 laptop
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:26:56 +1030 steve fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im a newbie how do i configure/install wifi in my compaq c700 laptop? i have a atheros Ar242x integrated in the laptop http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766169 It might help. Cheers, thanks regards Steve _ Your dream beach house escape for summer! Sign up for the Hotmail Road Trip today. http://www.ninemsn.com.au/hotmailroadtrip-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Brief note on eeePC 701
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:27:37 +1000 Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How's the suspend? I'm running Debian with Fluxbox. Suspend worked out of the box, as do all of the hotkeys. And any experience with 3G broadband? No experience. Cheers, Alan They're about the two features that matter to me on top of having a *nix environment. I'm still using OSX on the MacBook at the moment, 'cause I've got to fiddle to get the '3' modem working (the Bigpond one is fine, but that contract is over now). Suspend appears to work perfectly for Ubuntu on it, but I haven't done any major stress testing yet. I'm considering a 10 eee, and then ditching the MacBook in favour of something larger... but anything I get will have to handle suspend. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:57 PM, elliott-brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, after several months of selling some hardware and gadgets to purchase myself an eeePC and during which time my wife kept taking the money to feed the kids...sheesh, priorities, PUUULEASE! I found the price had dropped from $AU500 to $AU275, and my wife's birthday is in two weeks...so I bought one for her cough. The 4G 701. I found the default distro cute and very usable, never mind that it boots in about 30 seconds and shuts down in about 10. I downloaded Mandriva One Spring edition: http://www.mandriva.com/ and loaded that on a 4G flash drive, then downloaded eeebuntu NBR (netbook remix): http://www.eeebuntu.org/ and did the same. Quick plug. Check out: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ Great way to make a bootable flash drive with various OSs. So, I ran both from the flash drives and the default from the main drive for the last three days. Mandriva required a command line action to get the video to work (after a kernel update first), where as eeebuntu required some weird fiddling with the sound settings and some command line action using built-in scripts - nothing too hard when you found out about it (maybe I should write this up in detail?) My favourite? The eeebuntu netbook remix. It's takes twice as long to boot, the same length, roughly, to shut-down, but it's very pretty and very configurable. Plus it allows you to install some apps that I find preferable. Seriously, if you have one of these machines, try eeebuntu. Mandriva is also very nice looking and Metisse works really well. Metisse is not as 'out-there' as Compiz, but it has some tre' cool effects. Spoilt for choice on a little machine - you betcha! Hmm, I hope she likes eeebuntu :^/ Regards, Patrick -- Registered GNU/Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] {Spam?} Anti spam software?
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:50:20 +1000 david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 07:57 +1000, Mary Gardiner wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008, Sean Murphy wrote: All, I am after a good Anti spam software program for Linux which is shell based. I am aware of Spam assassign. But I would like to know if there is anything else which is better? Better could mean a few things in the context of spam filtering, could you clarify which of these features is more important to you: 1. overall accuracy (false negatives and false positives) 2. fewest number of false negatives (spam that gets through to your inbox) 3. fewest number of false positives (good mail that ends up marked as spam) 4. good accuracy when in the default configuration, no twiddling required 5. good for processing large volumes of mail without insane resources I use SpamAssassin and find it does really well, but it falls down at #4 and #5. I have to train the Bayesian[1] classifiers on all my mail in order to get good-to-me accuracy, so I am certainly not relying on the default configuration. (I suspect I'd do just as well switching entirely to a Bayesian system, but since SpamAssassin is now doing fine I have not done so). And it's a resource hog, it sometimes takes 8 seconds to scan a mail on my OK-standard desktop system. So if you were receiving more than an email about every 8 seconds you'd be looking at performance tuning and additional less hoggy measures, or at alternatives. (Everything that processes the full body of an email is somewhat resource intensive, but I understand that SA is not great.) I'm using Bogofilter (bayesian filter) to sort spam into good, bad or unsure at a user level. I've got a cron shell script that passes manually sorted unsure email through the filter hourly for training purposes and it works really well at the client level. I don't know if there is a package to do that. I wrote the script myself, which means that it is crude and simple :) This doesn't stop spam... it just means you never have to read it. I use bogofilter in connection with Sylpheed as a simple pop client. It is remarkably effective, and with the default settings has almost no false positives. It is interesting with a Bayesian filter to notice that sometimes the spammers seem to try something new. A few spam messages get through, but with Sylpheed you just mark them as spam as they come in and it learns very quickly. Alan David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] login-less logins
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:33:24 +1000 david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an 86 year old Mother in law who has never used a computer. I want to give her an old laptop to play solitaire etc on while she is in an extended hospital stay. She has no idea how to anything and has trouble with mobile phones, much less Ubuntu, so I'm trying to remove as many impediments as possible. Is there any way to log her in without going through the login screen? How do I bypass the grub login options? I have set up so that no password is required, (U6aMy0wojraho in the encrypted shadow password does this job) but it would be better if the screen was avoided completely. Security is NOT an issue. She has perfect security, ie, a closed room with no wires. I know I could give her Windows, but I think Ubuntu will be easier because I can give her advice. I don't know how to run Windows ;-) I have a debian etch box set up this way for my 99yo neighbour. She wouldn't know what to do with a Windows system!! I think you run gdmsetup as root. One of the options will be what you want. Alternatively, hand edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and insert AutomaticLoginEnable=false AutomaticLogin=user name Cheers, Alan Any suggestions appreciated. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] simple text formatting language
On Thu, 29 May 2008 10:27:39 +1000 Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone recommend a simple text formatting language/package? To explain a bit more: I want a formatting language that's text based (so it's easier to keep track of diffs in source control, and editable in vim), for doing stuff you'd usually do in Open Office Word Processor - bullet points, bold/italic, tables, etc. I'd like output in pdf, so it's easily printable cross-platform. I've briefly thought about things like LaTeX, postscript and Docbook, but they all seem overkill for what I want to do, and will take too much time to learn. Hi Sonia, I do a lot of writing in plain text with very simple markup. I tend to use Muse, but that is emacs based. Others are: - AFT (Almost Free Text) - Muse (for use with Emacs only) - reStructuredText - txt2tags - YODL: a more complex markup language that lets you define your own macros and terms - Wiki languages: there are a number of these available. None of these provide really good support if you need general indexing, and the support for cross referencing varies. I personally do not like reStructuredText because of the strange (to me) markup of sections and titles. I don't like the idea of writing in any markup language that is more complex than LaTeX. LaTeX is simple and unobtrusive for simple writing, and emacs will hide markers when the writing is more complex - don't know about vim. AFT and txt2tags are both simple and produce a variety of outputs. Each will produce LaTeX output and HTML. AFT will also output RTF if that is relevant to your needs. HTH, Alan Thanks, -- Sonia Hamilton. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] simple text formatting language
On Thu, 29 May 2008 10:26:42 +0800 jam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 29 May 2008 09:49:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone recommend a simple text formatting language/package? To explain a bit more: I want a formatting language that's text based (so it's easier to keep track of diffs in source control, and editable in vim), for doing stuff you'd usually do in Open Office Word Processor - bullet points, bold/italic, tables, etc. I'd like output in pdf, so it's easily printable cross-platform. I've briefly thought about things like LaTeX, postscript and Docbook, but they all seem overkill for what I want to do, and will take too much time to learn. If it is really simple stuff then go back in time to groff This is the way man pages are written. It is installed on most systems I would guess. What he ment to say your honour sir, You can learn simple groff in 5 minutes You can do the utmost amazing stuff with groff, it's ideal for backing up, for comments, for version control, and it's trivially easy to use W Stevens did all the stuff for 'Unix Network Programming' upto camera ready pre-press with groff And, using it with the MOM macros makes it closer to a modern markup language: http://linuxgazette.net/107/schaffter.html http://gretchen.homelinux.org/mom/mom.html James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Hard disk drive
I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old box. I has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one of these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do I tell if my system supports either one? Thanks for help, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:54:35 +1000 david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 11:44 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA or IDE - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes you can get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and airflow - the connector is the same. SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat cable with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics and specs). If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or PATA as you say) I have a PATA only board to which I added a SATA controller card and now run two PATA and two SATA drives. Works for me :) I'm not sure if there could be a BIOS issue, but I didn't have one. Thanks David. I don't really have a storage problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 37G 3.0G 32G 9% / tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /lib/init/rw udev 10M 52K 10M 1% /dev tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 145G 9.5G 130G 7% /home But I like the second disk for automatic backups. More than two would be overkill :-). Thanks On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old box. I has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one of these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do I tell if my system supports either one? Thanks for help, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:44:17 +1000 Martin Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA or IDE - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes you can get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and airflow - the connector is the same. SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat cable with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics and specs). If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or PATA as you say) Thanks for that, Martin. Definitely the 40 pin ribbon connectors. Off to the shops! Alan On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old box. I has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one of these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do I tell if my system supports either one? Thanks for help, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
On Mon, 26 May 2008 12:29:25 +1000 Martin Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, However, most new motherboards have limited support for PATA - often only having one connector for that these days, as it is basically used just for the DVD drive. These boards tend to have at least 4 SATA ports, and often two are RAIDable. At some stage PATA drives will become more expensive and/or not available (especially in the larger sizes). So there *may* be an advantage in getting a SATA controller and a SATA drive if you want to extend the life of the server a little longer than you might otherwise - it would then also have the benefit of allowing you to move the SATA drive at some stage on to a newer server. On my home systems, I install new SATA drives where I am able and divert the PATA drives to the older systems. Of course I don't want to imply that you wont be able to get PATA drives next week, but they will become deprecated over time, as does most computer technology :-) OK, Thanks. It's something to consider, particularly since it is much easier to move an existing drive rather than copy all the stuff to a new one. Something to think about. Cheers, Alan Martin On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:54:35 +1000 david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 11:44 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA or IDE - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes you can get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and airflow - the connector is the same. SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat cable with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics and specs). If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or PATA as you say) I have a PATA only board to which I added a SATA controller card and now run two PATA and two SATA drives. Works for me :) I'm not sure if there could be a BIOS issue, but I didn't have one. Thanks David. I don't really have a storage problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 37G 3.0G 32G 9% / tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /lib/init/rw udev 10M 52K 10M 1% /dev tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 145G 9.5G 130G 7% /home But I like the second disk for automatic backups. More than two would be overkill :-). Thanks On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old box. I has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one of these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do I tell if my system supports either one? Thanks for help, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Wireless on iBook G4
G'day, Trying to get the wireless working on my iBook G4 running Debian Etch, Gnome, Network Manager bcm43xx and wpa_supplicant. I can connect to open networks, so the bcm43xx is working, but when I tried a WPA network this morning I get (from /var/log/messages: Apr 3 10:42:13 misty kernel: SoftMAC: Open Authentication completed with 00:18:4d:09:a9:9c Apr 3 10:42:17 misty kernel: bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0 Apr 3 10:42:17 misty last message repeated 4 times Apr 3 10:42:17 misty kernel: SoftMAC: Open Authentication completed with 00:18:4d:09:a9:9c Apr 3 10:42:20 misty kernel: bcm43xx: set security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0 Apr 3 10:42:20 misty last message repeated 5 times And then it gives up. What should I be looking for? Thanks for any help. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Wireless on iBook G4
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:02:40 +1100
Sven Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G'Day Alan,
What's in your /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf?
-
# this first part is essential, according to all documentation
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=1
# connect to any public network
network={
ssid=
key_mgmt=NONE
priority=0
}
Try to start your WIFI manually by
sudo wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -D driver
-c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd
and watch the output for errors.
Thanks Sven. I don't actually have a wireless - I was hoping to get it
working for a road trip that I am planning. I was trying to connect at
the local Apple shop.
Maybe best to get a wireless myself and fiddle with it until I
understand what's going on.
Cheers,
Sven
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 11:48 +1100, Alan L Tyree wrote:
G'day,
Trying to get the wireless working on my iBook G4 running Debian
Etch, Gnome, Network Manager bcm43xx and wpa_supplicant.
I can connect to open networks, so the bcm43xx is working, but when
I tried a WPA network this morning I get (from /var/log/messages:
Apr 3 10:42:13 misty kernel: SoftMAC: Open Authentication completed
with 00:18:4d:09:a9:9c
Apr 3 10:42:17 misty kernel: bcm43xx: set
security called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0
Apr 3 10:42:17 misty last message repeated 4 times Apr 3 10:42:17
misty kernel: SoftMAC: Open Authentication completed with
00:18:4d:09:a9:9c
Apr 3 10:42:20 misty kernel: bcm43xx: set security
called, .level = 0, .enabled = 0, .encrypt = 0
Apr 3 10:42:20 misty
last message repeated 5 times
And then it gives up.
What should I be looking for?
Thanks for any help.
Alan
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Re: [SLUG] Firefox javascript
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:50:19 +1100 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody explain this to me? I'm using Debian Etch. I connect to a commercial site that uses javascript buttons to initiate searches. With Iceweasel, Epiphany and Galeon, they don't work. With Opera they work just fine. They used to work with Iceweasel - I don't know if I changed any settings or not. The javascript is activated in the preferences and allowed to do anything in the Advanced options. Driving me nuts. Any suggestions appreciated. What do see in the Error Console (Tools-Error Console, clear it with Clear then reload the page). Hi Amos, I had changed to Iceape and it worked OK, so I haven't been using the site with Iceweasel. I just tried it now and it works! Must be something on their end. Thanks for the suggestion though. Alan --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] getting SUSE 10.3 on a Mac PowerPC...
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:00:08 +1100 Craig Dibble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Stuart Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any tips (instructions? where to get instructions?) on how to install SUSE 10.3 on the powerPC mac? Perhaps I need to boot from the dvd? I'm afraid I don't know how to do it. I restart with the dvd in the drive and it opens up normally to mac os. On the old PowerMac's you can boot from CD/DVD by holding down 'c' at startup. FWIW, that is the way that I boot from CD on my iBook G4. It's running Debian Etch perfectly - even the wireless works w/o any problem. Alan You may find this site useful: http://en.opensuse.org/POWER%40SUSE Specific instructions for booting from CD here (you may have to edit to fit for the DVD) http://en.opensuse.org/Booting_on_PowerMac Good luck, Craig -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Citrix client fails to open app
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:20:02 +0900 Kevin Shackleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried installing the Citrix ICA client versions 7, 9 and 10.6 in Debian Etch, but for each of these the web access page still tells me I need to install the client. I can log on but if I start an app I get a timeout in opening the connection There are issues noted with libXm.so preventing use of the desktop Citrix ICA client, but that apparently doesn't affect the browser interface. FWIW an strace /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfcmgr shows that libXm.so.3 is being called but only libXm.so.2 is installed on my machine. The installation manual mentions npica.so as the browser plugin, so I made a symlink from $HOME/.mozilla/plugins to this file in /usr/lib/ICAClient - permissions are ok, but still no go. I guess it doesn't help you much, but I am running version 6.20 on Debian Etch without any problems at all. If I can answer any questions about links and things that might help, please let me know. Alan Any ideas on what remains to be done or on finding why the browser plugin does not seem to be found? Thanks, Kevin. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Firefox javascript
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:01:55 +1100 Alex Samad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I thought maybe I had done something that screwed up the javascript in Firefox (well, Iceweasel). have you got the noscript plugin ? That would be a nice easy solution - but, no. I would have thought that the number of users now trying to browse from phone-like and PDA-like devices would have driven web framework and web developers to think more about a diverse userbase, but they still seem to cater for only the top 2 or 3 browser platforms and think everyone is running a cinematic widescreen. (And that doesn't even talk about accessibility issues for screen readers, different languages, etc) On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody explain this to me? I'm using Debian Etch. I connect to a commercial site that uses javascript buttons to initiate searches. With Iceweasel, Epiphany and Galeon, they don't work. With Opera they work just fine. They used to work with Iceweasel - I don't know if I changed any settings or not. The javascript is activated in the preferences and allowed to do anything in the Advanced options. Driving me nuts. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Can we win? I don't think you can win it. - George W. Bush 08/30/2004 Today show interview after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Firefox javascript
Can anybody explain this to me? I'm using Debian Etch. I connect to a commercial site that uses javascript buttons to initiate searches. With Iceweasel, Epiphany and Galeon, they don't work. With Opera they work just fine. They used to work with Iceweasel - I don't know if I changed any settings or not. The javascript is activated in the preferences and allowed to do anything in the Advanced options. Driving me nuts. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Firefox javascript
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:09:08 +1100 Martin Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably would need to specify the site - as it probably is a matter of bad jasvascript code that someone more knowledgable than me could comment on. I know from my iPaq (PDA) running Windows Mobile, many sites buttons just don't work. My presumption has been that IE on Windows Explorer only has a subset of the standard Javascript functionality. I am guessing it probably also applies to your choice of Linux powered web browsers. It's a proprietary site: www.lexisnexis.com/au/legal Needs a username and password to sign on. Frustrating thing is that they specify Firefox 2.x as being an acceptable browser. Indeed, when I log on with Opera they give me a warning message. I can log on through another channel using IE and it works. I thought maybe I had done something that screwed up the javascript in Firefox (well, Iceweasel). I would have thought that the number of users now trying to browse from phone-like and PDA-like devices would have driven web framework and web developers to think more about a diverse userbase, but they still seem to cater for only the top 2 or 3 browser platforms and think everyone is running a cinematic widescreen. (And that doesn't even talk about accessibility issues for screen readers, different languages, etc) On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody explain this to me? I'm using Debian Etch. I connect to a commercial site that uses javascript buttons to initiate searches. With Iceweasel, Epiphany and Galeon, they don't work. With Opera they work just fine. They used to work with Iceweasel - I don't know if I changed any settings or not. The javascript is activated in the preferences and allowed to do anything in the Advanced options. Driving me nuts. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Sound puzzle
Hi, Debian Etch with flashplugin-nonfree: I've got an on-board sound card and a usb one. The usb is the one that I use. It works for Rhythmbox, Ekiga, Totem and other noise makers. It doesn't work for Flash in Iceweasel. That uses the on-board card no matter what I do. Some other info: alsaconf doesn't see the usb card. asoundconf list: no cards listed. cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with ALC650D at 0xd800, irq 193 1 [UART ]: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 10 2 [system ]: USB-Audio - iMic USB audio system Griffin Technology, Inc iMic USB audio system at usb-:00:02.2-3, full speed Any suggestions very, very welcome. This is driving me nuts. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: [activities] If you could ask Microsoft a question what would it be?
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:35:39 +1100 elliott-brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeez Alan, (old joke warning) they used lawyers at my uni...there are some things a rat won't do! And some students became emotionally attached to rats. And (to finish the old joke), there aren't enough rats. Tish Bum. duck Alan L Tyree wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:08:38 +1100 elliott-brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Melissa Draper [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the very least, this is an opportunity to have them visit our turf, on our own terms, and force them to respond to everything we throw at them. Lab rats spring to mind :) You're going to throw lab rats at them?? I wanna watch. Melissa wrote: Don't lab rats suffer enough? I'm with you Melissa. I'm calling the RSPCA now. Besides, to throw lab rats at them, you'd need the approval of the Ethics Board and I don't think they'd give it. My recollection of university Ethics Committees is that they will approve anything. What are lab rats for? Alan :) Regards, Patrick -- Registered GNU/Linux User 368634 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Registered GNU/Linux User 368634 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] USB to serial
Is there anything that I need to look for in these USB to serial converters? Any special software needed? Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Eee
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:09:27 +1100 Sam Lawrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/12/2007, at 10:38 AM, Alan L Tyree wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:25:39 + Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, Robert Thorsby wrote: Also, for one that doesn't have the miniPCI thingy blocked. :-( All this talk about opening the little yellow tab that says opening will void warranty is bollocks though, right? I'm pretty sure under consumer law that you can't put those kinds of restrictions on a warranty. I think that's right. Section 71 of the Trade Practices Act provides statutory warranties with respect to quality and fitness for purpose. Section 68 says that these may not be excluded or modified. The supplier would have to show that opening on its own rendered the machine unfit. Doubtful. Does that mean you are unlikely to void any statutory warranty granted to you, but may still void any extended warranty offered by the manufacturer? I suppose it does, but in my experience the extended warranties really don't give you much more than the statutory ones. Sure, you might have to sue them to enforce it, but that is cheap in the NSW Consumer Tenancy and Trader Tribunal. In other words, the extended warranty might save you a little hassle (assuming that it is promptly honoured - not always the case in my experience), but it probably doesn't add anything else. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Eee
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:25:39 + Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, Robert Thorsby wrote: Also, for one that doesn't have the miniPCI thingy blocked. :-( All this talk about opening the little yellow tab that says opening will void warranty is bollocks though, right? I'm pretty sure under consumer law that you can't put those kinds of restrictions on a warranty. I think that's right. Section 71 of the Trade Practices Act provides statutory warranties with respect to quality and fitness for purpose. Section 68 says that these may not be excluded or modified. The supplier would have to show that opening on its own rendered the machine unfit. Doubtful. Alan As for the screen being too small, Jeff I think that's kinda the point. It's meant to be ultra-portable, like the old Toshiba Librettos. I think it's a reasonable tradeoff -- though I know Gnome has trouble with my already pretty low resolution laptop with some transient windows having important bits off the screen. Better, though, is the fact the external monitor connector can do MUCH higher resolution. Is there a docking cradle available? -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because geeks travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ Only one person ever attended a parliament with honest intentions - and that was Guy Fawkes. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Handheld scanners
Has anybody had any experience with these? I want something to scan written text in a library. Any experiences greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Latex question: chapter style
SNIP There seems to be plenty of help available for fancy chapter styles. What I want is so simple that I haven't been able to find it by googling. The essential difficulty is that the chapter name and number are to be on the left, while the chapter title is to be centered. Any ideas? Or do I finally buy the Latex Companion? Hi Nick, I haven't actually tried it myself, but the Memoir class seems to provide facilities to make this kind of design easy: see page 86 of the Memoir manual. Cheers, Alan Nick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:23:52 +0930 Glen Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 16:47 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Denis Crowdy wrote: James Dumay wrote: I find my Apple Macbook really excellent. Me too - mine is a 13 basic white model (Core 2 duo) about a year old About 2 years ago, i went from a white 13 inch PowerPC iBook to a fully optioned up Dell Latitude X1. Admittedly the iBook was 3 years old when I did that, but AFAIAC it was very much the right way to go rather than getting an Intel powered iBook/MacBook. Unless things have progressed, on my MacBook Pro I needed to install a stupid bootloader/BIOS emulator which reserved half of the hard disk for MacOS. At the time -- a year ago -- I did try to run Linux on the bare metal, but the video mode selection wouldn't work with just EFI. I really didn't want my new laptop to look like a pre-XWindows UNIX box, so I had to install BootCamp and give up half the hard disk to MacOS. Please tell me that Fedora or Ubuntu Just Work(tm) on the bare metal now. I have a G4 12 iBook running Debian Etch. No problems except the modem doesn't work. I haven't really chased it up much since the rest of it seems to work well. It is about a year old or so. I doubt if I would get another one since it seems that there are cheaper equivalents. Alan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Suspenseful laptops
SNIP You are all pussies. When I was a boy, we used to carry our laptops in backpacks and only complain if they were over 30kg. That didn't include the tty you had to carry seperately and the spare valves. I still have my first portable: IBM twin disk, Compaq clone, about 30lb, cost $3400 in 1984 -- and no printer port! Alan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Distributing Linux CD/DVDs
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:28:59 +1000 Bryce Robilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am after the latest release of Debian Sarge (4.0_r1) in the DVD version, 4 DVD's worth, but I do not have a fast or reliable enough Internet connection to download even one of the ISO images. Does the SLUG distribute (even for a fee) copies of distros on optical media? I live on the Central Coast, and I would much appreciate is you could provide me a copy of the latest version of the distro' on DVD. Do you provide such a service? Regards, Bryce Robilliard Try http://www.lsl.com.au/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ABC on Etch?
Hi, I'm wanting to listen to an ABC National program on Debian Etch. All I get is a popup to install either Real Player or Windows Media Player. Anybody know how to get this moving? I've got the w32 codecs and all that and can listen to most things. I just don't know how to get by this popup. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ABC on Etch - Solved
Never mind. I got it as soon as I sent the last message. Choose Windows Media Player (can you believe it?). -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Printer problem
Hi, I accidently (!) removed my working printer from the printer dialog on Debian Etch with Gnome. I'm trying to re-establish it. I'm getting the following messages in syslog: Jul 5 09:35:08 windy python: [4215] error: Unable to set locale. Jul 5 09:35:08 windy kernel: ppdev0: registered pardevice Jul 5 09:35:08 windy kernel: ppdev0: negotiated back to compatibility mode because user-space forgot Jul 5 09:35:08 windy kernel: ppdev0: unregistered pardevice Can anybody give me a clue as to what I should do? Many thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Printers again
Never mind. It's working. I don't know why!! -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Boot weirdness
Running a stock standard Debian Etch. Can anyone tell me what this is about? When booting this morning the following messages appeared (approximately since I just jotted them down): Superblock last mount times in the future /dev/hda1 234902 Days ???(I'm not sure what the rest of the message was). It then did an fsck on hda1, gave some message that it had been fixed but that it would reboot. which it did. I don't see the messages in the logs, but maybe I should look somewhere special? The system seems to be OK now. Any pointers welcome. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] PowerPC, and Sound
On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:54:02 +1000 Kevin Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I was given a little old 12ibook from a friend. Its a 500Mhz with 256Mb RAM and now an 80Gb Hard disk. I have loaded Fedora Core 5 on it (My linux of choice) and it works wonderfully except for no sound. I stuck my Ubuntu 6.10 live cd in the drive the other night and it works beautifully giving me all sound and everything. So I Installed Ububtu and again no sound. I have since gone back to FC5 So Being new to Hardware my question is: What do I look up while running the Ubuntu Live CD to find the sound setup and then how do I implement it into my FC5 install. Many Thanks for the help. I had to manually add the module snd_powermac to my iBook G4 running Etch. HTH, Alan Kev -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Symbolic links
Hi All, Is there some easy way to find all the symbolic links that point to a given target? Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Symbolic links
On Mon, 7 May 2007 11:33:52 +1000
John Ferlito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 11:15:51AM +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote:
Is there some easy way to find all the symbolic links that point to
a given target?
No real easy way since for symbolic links there is no reverse lookup
table in the filesystem. So you need to trawl the whole filesystem
looking from them.
Something like
find / -lname 'regex of original linked file name' -exec ls -l {} \;
The tricky part here is that since links can be relative thay could
look like any of
../file
/moo/file
../../l/../../file
etc so you need to cookup an appropriate regex. For all of the above
file
is probably the simplest
Thanks John. I suspected as much when googling failed me.
Alan
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Re: [SLUG] Display problem with emacs - solved
On Thu, 3 May 2007 14:22:57 +1000 Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just recently installed Debian Etch on my main machine. Everything works a treat except the Emacs display. I use white characters on a black background. I looks like there are vertical shadow bands passing through the emacs display. The bands are fixed - if I move emacs slightly the shadows appear to stay fixed. Emacs is the only application that I am seeing this on. SNIP The more I thought about it, the less sense it made. Emacs was the only application that I was *seeing* it on, but it was there everywhere. The white on black just made it visible on Emacs and almost invisible on all other applications. A minor frequency adjustment on the monitor cleared it all up. God I feel stupid sometimes. Cheers, -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Display problem with emacs
I've just recently installed Debian Etch on my main machine. Everything works a treat except the Emacs display. I use white characters on a black background. I looks like there are vertical shadow bands passing through the emacs display. The bands are fixed - if I move emacs slightly the shadows appear to stay fixed. Emacs is the only application that I am seeing this on. The screen is a 22 Chimei CMV221D. The (probably relevant part of xorg.conf looks like: Section Device # Driver nv Identifier nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] Driver nvidia EndSection Any clues would be much appreciated since I use emacs a lot. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re. Etch on ibook
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:57:28 +1000 Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:44:44 +1200 Adam Bogacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I reinstalled from the main Debian disk #1 and now it is working - but only from the Power icon on the Gnome panel. I suppose I need some gdm config or something to get it to appear in the Logout/shutdown dialog in the Desktop menu. Anyway, it works! and I am currently a happy Etch camper. Thanks for the help. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Re. Etch on ibook
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:45:27 +1200 Adam Bogacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, I also made the Great Migration from Feisty to Etch with xfce to find greater stability and ease of use. Etch has an automatic powerdown with an adjustable time-delay (somewhere - I'm still adjusting from gnome), and a 'suspend' option at login. Ive seen the automatic power options in Gnome. I don't know yet if they work. I've got the suspend option appearing on the Actions menu - but it doesn't do anything! I've been pleasantly surprised to have to revive via password a number of times. Yeah, it worked perfectly for me in Ubuntu Dapper, so I know that it *will* work. From http://www.rdegraaf.nl/index.asp?sND_ID=291639 At the moment of writing, hibernate works, and is placed on the s2disk whitelist. In contrast, s2ram is not whitelisted. Checking 's2ram --force' results in a suspend to memory, but some things did not restore correctly such as network, etc. However, /etc/acpi/sleep.sh does work for me. Test it for yourself from the commandline: # /etc/acpi/sleep.sh .. and No such script in my machine. I have the laptop-mode-tools package installed as well as acpitool. No such packageas acpi-support. The hot key mentioned below does nothing. I'm quite keen to move to Etch, but this is a right royal PITA! Thanks for help. I'll have a look at the other links that you mention. Cheers, Alan http://thpinfo.com/2006/docs/debian-linux-macbook-headphone-after-suspend.html Interesting. http://blog.mondragon.cc/pages/tp-t42 suggests installing the 'acpi-support' package. apt-get reccomends also installing 'laptop-mode-tools' .. Apparently there is a 'sleep' hot-key (Fn+Esc), see http://www-spht.cea.fr/en/Images/Pisp/jbouttier/d420-linux.php Another way is to add a kernel option .. http://www.student.tue.nl/Q/j.f.berndsen/debian/ Regards, Adam Bogacki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Re. Etch on ibook
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:44:44 +1200 Adam Bogacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry .. I shouold have google by ibook. I found a lot of the stuff was not much help since it either referred to older ibooks or older kernels. I sure it is something completely simple since I have seen posts on the Debian lists to the effect that it worked 'out of the box'. Maybe I should choose a different box! I'll check these other threads. Thanks, Adam. See http://techmute.com/ .. you might have to check your settings somewhere .. http://sysadminforum.com/showthread.php?t=1397499 .. suggests it might be a Mac bug .. Is gnome-power-manager compatible with xfce .. ? http://www.nnseek.com/e/linux.debian.ports.powerpc/ Sorry, I'm using a standard desktop. Good luck, Adam. On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 12:08:42PM +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:45:27 +1200 Adam Bogacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, I also made the Great Migration from Feisty to Etch with xfce to find greater stability and ease of use. Etch has an automatic powerdown with an adjustable time-delay (somewhere - I'm still adjusting from gnome), and a 'suspend' option at login. Ive seen the automatic power options in Gnome. I don't know yet if they work. I've got the suspend option appearing on the Actions menu - but it doesn't do anything! I've been pleasantly surprised to have to revive via password a number of times. Yeah, it worked perfectly for me in Ubuntu Dapper, so I know that it *will* work. From http://www.rdegraaf.nl/index.asp?sND_ID=291639 At the moment of writing, hibernate works, and is placed on the s2disk whitelist. In contrast, s2ram is not whitelisted. Checking 's2ram --force' results in a suspend to memory, but some things did not restore correctly such as network, etc. However, /etc/acpi/sleep.sh does work for me. Test it for yourself from the commandline: # /etc/acpi/sleep.sh .. and No such script in my machine. I have the laptop-mode-tools package installed as well as acpitool. No such packageas acpi-support. The hot key mentioned below does nothing. I'm quite keen to move to Etch, but this is a right royal PITA! Thanks for help. I'll have a look at the other links that you mention. Cheers, Alan http://thpinfo.com/2006/docs/debian-linux-macbook-headphone-after-suspend.html Interesting. http://blog.mondragon.cc/pages/tp-t42 suggests installing the 'acpi-support' package. apt-get reccomends also installing 'laptop-mode-tools' .. Apparently there is a 'sleep' hot-key (Fn+Esc), see http://www-spht.cea.fr/en/Images/Pisp/jbouttier/d420-linux.php Another way is to add a kernel option .. http://www.student.tue.nl/Q/j.f.berndsen/debian/ Regards, Adam Bogacki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Etch on ibook
I've just installed Etch with xfce on my iBook. I can't quite figure out what I need to install/configure to get the machine to sleep. I know that it works since I was earlier running Ubuntu on it. I will probably be embarrassed by the ease of finding the answer, but it has eluded me so far. Thanks for any help. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Amaya - Solved
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:14:16 +1000 Matthew Hannigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 01:06:12PM +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: I'm running Debian Sid and trying to install Amaya. Well, easy to install, of course, but when I try to run it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ amaya 12:59:19: Deleted stale lock file '/home/alant/.amaya-alant'. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. FATAL ERROR : Your OpenGL implementation does not support needed features! Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. *** Amaya: Irrecoverable error ***Segmentation fault I don't find this to informative. What packages do I need to make this fly? Looks like Amaya comes in a non-GL version; but you're using the GL version. Maybe Sid has the non-GL version packaged, or there is an option to use. You could also look into getting GL/DRI drivers for your graphics card, but that would be a longer and possibly unrewarding route. I found this page http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?highlight=%28nvidia%29 which guided me through the installation of the nvidia driver (instead of nv). That fixed it. Cheers, Alan Matt -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] RE:Bigpond NextG on Linux (Ubuntu)?
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:33:02 +1000 bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about 3G or using mobile phone's for Net access, but I too had a CDMA phone ( transferred from GSM for better reception 3 years ago after moving home)., and none of the following is really relevant to the above post. SNIP Also, swapped my Mum to Virgin prepaid as she makes only a few short calls a week, and Telstra have halved their pre-paid periods ( effectively doubling the price for low-usage customers). so that it now costs $15/month even if you don't use the damned things at all! I haven't tried this yet, but it looks very interesting: http://www.ecomtel.com.au/cgi-bin/go/web?rm=mobilekey=pings They use the Telstra network. You buy a block of minutes and can share them over multiple phones anytime for six months. Cheers (and bugger Telstra), Alan Bill Subject: [SLUG] Bigpond NextG on Linux (Ubuntu)? From: Sonia Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:21:24 +1000 To: slug@slug.org.au To: slug@slug.org.au I've been using Telstra's Maxon CDMA for internet access while on the road - slow, semi-reliable. The Telstra phone bunnies are telling me it's time to upgrade to NextG. I've had a google around on Whirlpool, pulled up this Quozl's guide at [1], which seems to indicate it works; I'm interested in ppl's experiences before I take the plunge and submit myself to the next round of Telstra pain... [1] http://quozl.linux.org.au/bp3-usb/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Amaya
I'm running Debian Sid and trying to install Amaya. Well, easy to install, of course, but when I try to run it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ amaya 12:59:19: Deleted stale lock file '/home/alant/.amaya-alant'. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. FATAL ERROR : Your OpenGL implementation does not support needed features! Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. *** Amaya: Irrecoverable error ***Segmentation fault I don't find this to informative. What packages do I need to make this fly? Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Skype freezes computer
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:50:57 +1000 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP If you find any, I'll be very delighted to hear. I tried running OpenWengo but it seems to freeze on the initial settings window, and I'm not yet sure how useful it'll be through double-NAT and with another SIP device already setup on my LAN (a Sipura-3000 ATA). I use Ekiga connected to a Gizmo account to talk to lots of people. The Gizmo client for Windows is good - I haven't tried the Linux one for ages since Ekiga is so good. Ekiga allows you to register to multiple accounts. Alan --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Skype freezes computer
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:18:02 +1000 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/03/07, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Ekiga connected to a Gizmo account to talk to lots of people. The Gizmo client for Windows is good - I haven't tried the Linux one for ages since Ekiga is so good. Ekiga allows you to register to multiple accounts. I tried Ekiga a while ago (a year or so) and couldn't make it connect through ADSL. My Linux box is on a NAT behind that modem and I did some port-forwarding and still Ekiga never managed to connect. Are you using it behind NAT? Was there any special setup to do on the Windows/other side of the connection? (I suppose I could do lots of stuff if only the other side was more computer literate, but they totally aren't, they are on the other side of the world, and don't have anyone to support them). I am behind a NAT router (Billion Bipac 5100) and it connects using the Ekiga STUN server without any port forwarding. I talk to a friend who has the same setup only with some other brand of router (forget what it is right now) through the ekiga.net network. And, as I mentioned above, I talk to Winders users through the Gizmo network. The only trouble that I have had with it is that some of the codecs don't seem to work well. I get good Gizmo connections with GSM and talk to FWD people with PCMU. For some reason, the Speex codecs have caused me grief, but I haven't tried them for some time. Alan Thanks, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft's tool to assess Linux Persona
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:49:39 +1100 Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.linuxpersonas.com/ -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannetlinux.com When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. It is off line this morning (Wed 7:30) with a message This material is being updated and will be made available to Microsoft partners shortly. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Firefox sux
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:40:40 +1030 Luke Vanderfluit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heracles wrote: Firefox for AMD64 has to be the worst piece of crap ever written; just use epiphany (if you run gnome) or konqueror (if you run KDE). I used to love firefox on my old system; it was fast and easy to use. The new version just uses up ALL my processor and memory as soon as it is started and brings the system to a standstill. I have to switch to a command line to stop it after which everything returns to normal. What happened to it between 1.5 and 2.0? My current version is 2.0.0.2 but the problem has existed since 2.0. I am now using epiphany and occasionally konqueror (without flash) and don't have the hassle. I don't know exactly but I have been experiencing strange things too. -E.G. flash plugin crashes the browser on several sites (something in a flash swf must cause this) -Browser freezes and dies unpredictably. I've gone back to using 1.5.0. This is on FC5 32bit. I'm using Iceweasel 2.0.0.2 on Debian testing (32 bit). No problems at all, at all. I have the flash plugin. Cheers, Alan Kr. Luke. Heracles -- Luke Vanderfluit Analyst / Web Programmer e3Learning.com.au 08 8221 6422 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: ATO online
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:55:14 +1100 bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And since after JUly 1 self funded retirees etc over 60 will get their pensions tax-free, that probably eliminates a few more % due to many above that age not having net access and/or being computer illiterate. Watch it mate :-) Anyway, seems to me that most of the 90% would be online lodgements by Tax Agents. Bill Since they reckon that they have already got 90% online lodgement and are targeting 95%. perhaps they are tacitly admitting that they are not interested in the remaining 5% that represent Linux desktops. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Academic research software
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:11:57 +1100 Joseph Goncalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Russell Davie wrote: snip Kile is a more user-friendly KDE-based TeX/LaTeX editor: http://kile.sourceforge.net/ KBibTeX specifically targets the bibliography features of LaTeX: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=27421 More user friendly? How so if Kile requires the user to learn LaTeX markup language before they can produce a document? LyX enables a user to produce a document without having to learn LaTeX. This is avoids the significant and extra LaTeX learning curve. LaTeX markup language is really easy to use, but when it comes to changing the default layout, it gets complicated. LaTeX markup is far superior when you have repetitive patterns that you need to use. Personally I use latex-suite in vim than the GUI based Kile. And VIM has a far steeper learning curve than LaTeX. But like learning to Touch Type, the learning curve of Vim is well worth it. This is true, but in my experience it is not always on the point. Some people are simply put off by having the markup visible on screen. I don't know why this is so, but I have seen it in experienced as well as inexperienced users. There is something about having a footnote in the middle of a paragraph that freaks them out. Cheers, Alan If you have a aptitude for programming then definitely learn LaTeX. Here is a link to a really good LaTeX FAQ that teaches you to do stuff that will be hard to find otherwise... http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html -- Joseph Goncalves mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 66D6 71CF 87F9 6B17 6824 C692 9FF0 1DAF 7DAE E661 -- It is said that the Fremen has no conscience, having lost it in a burning desire for revenge. This is foolish. Only the rawest primitive and the sociopath have no conscience. The Fremen possesses a highly evolved worldview centered on the welfare of his people. His sense of belonging to the community is almost stronger than his sense of self. It is only to outsiders that these desert dwellers seem brutish . . . just as outsiders appear to them. -- PARDOT KYNES, The People of Arrakis -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Academic research software
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:18:30 +1100 Robert Thorsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007.02.26 17:09 Gavin Carr wrote: I've just had a friend ask me whether there's anything in the free software world for academic research / writing i.e. tracking bibliographic info, citations, quotes etc., and then collating them into a written product. He's used a commercial Windows product called Nota Bene before: http://www.notabene.com/product_tour_overview1.html Sounds like the sort of thing that much be an itch for lots of academics, but I've not run across anything more specialised like this in the free software world. LyX has templates for nearly all major academic thesis/treatise styles and has all the usual bells and whistles regarding toc, citations, bibliographies, etc. I think it has been ported to W...$ Yes, LyX is good. I have just used it to layout and typeset a cookbook written by my wife. A very smooth and pleasant experience. No bibliographic references, but it was easy to do cross references and a good index. The only thing it lacks is a good outliner. The other interesting thing was that the LaTeX code that it exported was very clean. I would use it more, but there is no clean support for multiple indexes. They are possible using ERT entries, but that negates some of the advantages of using LyX. Cheers, Alan Robert Thorsby -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Academic research software
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:20:15 +1100 Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gavin Carr wrote: Hi all, I've just had a friend ask me whether there's anything in the free software world for academic research / writing i.e. tracking bibliographic info, citations, quotes etc., and then collating them into a written product. He's used a commercial Windows product called Nota Bene before: http://www.notabene.com/product_tour_overview1.html Sounds like the sort of thing that much be an itch for lots of academics, but I've not run across anything more specialised like this in the free software world. Any cluesticks? What do you real academics out there use (without wanting to start an editor and/or word processor war!). As he is using Windows he might like to look at this: http://www.wibtex.de/ It appears to interface to BibTeX which is the standard for biblio data in the UNIX/Linux world but also works with MS Word. I have not tried it myself. I just use gvim and raw bibtex files. I use Emacs + Auctex + Reftex to write in LaTeX as a replacement for Nota Bene. BibTeX does the same thing (only better) as the Nota Bene system. Reftex gives the consistent citation stuff. Emacs searces (not to mention more powerful find, etc) do the searching stuff. In addition, you get consistent multiple indexes. I think it is better, but I haven't used Nota Bene in quite a few years. Alan Mike -- Michael Lake Computational Research Support Unit Science Faculty, UTS Ph: 9514 2238 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] IBM calculate that 4Gb RAM is optimal for Vista
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:05:31 +1100 Scott Ragen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what does this have to do with Linux? I really hate people attempting to bash Microsoft their products on OSS lists. IMHO It really makes everyone look like zealots. In Howard's defence, I don't see the article as MS bashing. We have had a reasonable amount of traffic on this list relating to MS problems - as you would expect since it is obvious that a lot of the participants need to advise and maintain MS products. I don't work in such an area, but even so I advise neighbours and friends. It is useful to know the requirements for new systems. So, I didn't mind the post. Cheers, Alan Cheers, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/02/2007 05:01:19 PM: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9011523 -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannetlinux.com When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Brand new user
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:09:29 +1100 Jacinta Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben wrote: installing automatix in Ubuntu is very easy (no command line needed) and addresses all the non driver, free like beer stuff. I've heard nasty reports about it, but it's been fine on every system I've put it on (four so far with Ubuntu 6.10), and probably is only an issue if you're doing custom setup of stuff - so should be ok for any non-geek. I've heard nasty reports too. The new poster child for this functionality is EasyUbuntu http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ which has a very nice gui, simple instructions (some command line needed at the start -- just cut'n'paste) and further adds itself to your Applications menu for future access. As far as I know they have roughly the same functionality, although Easy Ubuntu has the big plus of being much easier to find when doing a basic web search. ;) I've just been having a look at the new Feisty Fawn (groan!) version of Ubuntu. In the Add/Remove programs options, there is a one-stop version of installing restricted software. It seems to be a replacement (or more likely, an incorporation) of Easy Ubuntu. As I mentioned earlier, I have been trying to set up my friend who is an ex-Windows person. Just doing the Easy Ubuntu installation was not enough on his machine (or mine) to get everything working. I followed the routine here http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2812/how-to_setup_debian and most video and sound file formats seem to play automatically. This route worked on my Debian Sid, my Feisty Fawn and an older Ubuntu Dapper. Cheers, Alan All the best, J -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Brand new user
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:21:17 +0900 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 09 February 2007 06:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in something like Freespire eating into the Mickeysoft desktop space, since that distro provides non-purists with legal and free as in beer access to all the multi-media drivers / codecs / other fru-fru that one needs to compete with a SNIP Ben, sigh, how I wish it were true. I have made my SuSE box work on 70% of all the sites I trawl (you-tube, nasa, google-video newyork-times video etc) (And fiddling for ever means I don't know what I did) now having setup an ubuntu box for my sister and run automatix and tried easyubuntu both yield significantly less than the 70% that I get. Too hard for a bear of little brain ... I can watch each of the ones that you mention except for *some* NASA videos. I followed the guide here: http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2812/how-to_setup_debian AFTER adding the restricted stuff via EasyUbuntu or the new Add/Remove material in Feisty Fawn. Alan James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Brand new user
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:35:16 +1100 Rick Welykochy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John wrote: Well you'll certainly get good support from SLUG for Ubuntu. I found SUSE the best for install and go for wireless etc. Ubuntu (my mileage) still needed a lot of fiddling. The next Ubuntu 7.04 may be a little more flexible as its incorporating a number of commercial drivers etc. but that subject is for another flame war at another time :-) I've seen little or no discussion of Linspire and Freespire on the list. It is seen as the pyriah of the distros? Rick, I tried Freespire as part of the plan to get my friend set up. It seemed like a good idea since he is into the music/video stuff. On my machine, it wouldn't play through either of the sound cards (one built in, one USB). A bit disappointing since Debian has picked up both of them without any problems. I fooled with it a little bit without success. I admit that I don't know enough to make a serious effort at it. Cheers, Alan I did download and install the Freespire live CD. Worked first time on a Sony Vaio, although the wireless would not come up. I'm interested in something like Freespire eating into the Mickeysoft desktop space, since that distro provides non-purists with legal and free as in beer access to all the multi-media drivers / codecs / other fru-fru that one needs to compete with a Winders or Mac MM desktop. cheers rickw -- _ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Brand new user
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:51:51 +1100 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/02/07, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried Freespire as part of the plan to get my friend set up. It seemed like a good idea since he is into the music/video stuff. Are you aware that there are quite a few distributions geared exactly towards that niche? (can't remember any right now, but look at Distrowatch or even the Wikipedia page which lists many distros, it mentions this) Well, Freespire/Linspire are often mentioned as being able to play/watch anthing that Windows can. I may have stated the case wrong: he's not into editing/creating. Just watching video clips and listening to music. Otherwise, all around computer tasks. Freespire was interesting: it saw both of my sound cards, just couldn't make a noise through them. --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ssh and vnc
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:27:04 +1100 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/01/07, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The frustrating thing is that I can't find any significant difference between the Xubuntu configuration files and the Ubuntu ones that behave perfectly. Let's try to look at the situation from a different angle - login to the remote system with -X and try to find whether you can see anything listening on TCP port 6010 (that's the port sshd will usually forward X11 through, determined by X11DisplayOffset in /etc/ssh/sshd_config) using sudo netstat -tlp. On the remote Xubuntu (Misty), logged in with ssh -X: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo netstat -tlp Active Internet connections (only servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name tcp0 0 localhost:2208*:* LISTEN 3795/hpiod tcp0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN 3062/portmap tcp0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN 3520/X tcp0 0 localhost:ipp *:* LISTEN 3776/cupsd tcp0 0 localhost:60924 *:* LISTEN 3804/python tcp6 0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN 3520/X tcp60 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN 4223/sshd On the Local Debian Sid (Windy): tcp0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN 2136/portmap tcp0 0 *:auth *:* LISTEN 2718/inetd tcp 0 0 localhost:ipp *:* LISTEN 2487/cupsd tcp 0 0 *:39354*:* LISTEN 2789/rpc.statd tcp6 0 0 *:ssh*:* LISTEN 2741/sshd For some reason this command will not list the program name on a (working) Debian Etch, but rather something like: tcp0 0 localhost:6010 *:* LISTEN 21577/4 (21577 is the pid, I assume the /4 is the file descriptor) Also can you check that you have package xbase-clients installed on the remote Xubuntu (Misty)? Confirmed. Also, I took note of an earlier suggestion and unticked the item in Login Window Preferences which is Deny TCP connections to Xserver. And, I still have the following fundamental problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $DISPLAY [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Thanks for the help. I'm sure it is something simple, but Of course, it is always simple once you know how to do it :-) Cheers, Alan Cheers, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ssh and vnc
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:39:02 +1100 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/01/07, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the remote Xubuntu (Misty), logged in with ssh -X: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo netstat -tlp Active Internet connections (only servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name tcp0 0 localhost:2208*:* LISTEN 3795/hpiod tcp0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN 3062/portmap tcp0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN 3520/X tcp0 0 localhost:ipp *:* LISTEN 3776/cupsd tcp0 0 localhost:60924 *:* LISTEN 3804/python tcp6 0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN 3520/X tcp60 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN 4223/sshd So it looks like the -X request doesn't get handled by sshd on the other side, or at least it doesn't listen on a TCP port for you, so your problem is more foundamental than not having the $DISPLAY set. Run sshd -ddd on a seprate port on Misty and try to connect to it (-p parameter to ssh client). Be careful to do it that way instead of killing the standard sshd daemon - read sshd(8) about -d carefully before doing that. OK, I'll try to give that a go later in the day. SNIP It's digging like this that teaches you the most about Linux/networking/tools/debugging methods, so keep digging. True, so true. I'm learning a lot more about ssh than I ever wanted to know :-) Thanks for the help, Amos. Cheers, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ssh and vnc
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:36:57 +1100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to jump in here late, I haven;t looked at the whole thread. Have you already checked your sshd_config on the machine you are ssh'ing to You need to have: X11Forwarding yes -- default is NO X11UseLocalhost yes Check. you can also get around it with: AllowTcpForwarding yes-- I assume the default of this is no as well. but would have to deal with the security yourself in that case. You already seem to have your X server listening on a TCP port so you are OK there (the default these days is to use a unix socket I think) Anyway - hope I am not stating the obvious here. If all of that fails then the sshd -ddd looks like a plan to me, use a different port (e.g. -p 5022) - you will need to run this after you ssh'ed in of course. Fooling around with that now. The man page says that output is sent to the system log (which I presume is /var/log/syslog). It doesn't seem to be doing that. However, it runs through lots of ports (Not sure where it starts since I can't scroll up that far) and then reports: debug2: bind port 6999: Cannot assign requested address Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket. debug1: x11_create_display_inet failed. So that at least explains why DISPLAY is not set. Any further help appreciated. Alan From the above; Running netstat on the client [ which has the X server ] won't tell you anything - you need to run it on the server (by that I mean the machine with the sshd running) to check if you have localhost:6010 listening (or similar port - depending on the setting of : X11DisplayOffset in the sshd_config ) Useful man pages: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/sshd_config.5.html http://gentoo-wiki.com/MAN_sshd_8 good luck with it. Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:39:02 +1100 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/01/07, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the remote Xubuntu (Misty), logged in with ssh -X: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo netstat -tlp Active Internet connections (only servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name tcp0 0 localhost:2208*:* LISTEN 3795/hpiod tcp0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN 3062/portmap tcp0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN 3520/X tcp0 0 localhost:ipp *:* LISTEN 3776/cupsd tcp0 0 localhost:60924 *:* LISTEN 3804/python tcp6 0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN 3520/X tcp60 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN 4223/sshd So it looks like the -X request doesn't get handled by sshd on the other side, or at least it doesn't listen on a TCP port for you, so your problem is more foundamental than not having the $DISPLAY set. Run sshd -ddd on a seprate port on Misty and try to connect to it (-p parameter to ssh client). Be careful to do it that way instead of killing the standard sshd daemon - read sshd(8) about -d carefully before doing that. OK, I'll try to give that a go later in the day. SNIP It's digging like this that teaches you the most about Linux/networking/tools/debugging methods, so keep digging. True, so true. I'm learning a lot more about ssh than I ever wanted to know :-) Thanks for the help, Amos. Cheers, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ssh and vnc
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:54:30 +1100 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/01/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can also get around it with: AllowTcpForwarding yes-- I assume the default of this is no as well. I forgot about that one but the manual says that the default is yes. You still need to enable the X11Forwarding which is a separate flag as you stated. but would have to deal with the security yourself in that case. You already seem to have your X server listening on a TCP port so you are OK there (the default these days is to use a unix socket I think) That's not relevant - once the X11 connection is forwarded to the local ssh client, the ssh client can use UNIX-domain sockets to connect to the local X11 server just like any other local X11 client. If all of that fails then the sshd -ddd looks like a plan to me, use a different port (e.g. -p 5022) - you will need to run this after you ssh'ed in of course. And make sure the port is accessible through any firewall on the way (you DO have iptables set up, do you?) closed down on Misty as part of the investigation. I'm behind a NAT router with all of these machines so it seems minimal risk. Alan Cheers, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] ssh and vnc
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:40:03 +1100 Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/01/07, Alan L Tyree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fooling around with that now. The man page says that output is sent to the system log (which I presume is /var/log/syslog). It doesn't seem to be doing that. However, it runs through lots of ports (Not sure where it starts since I can't scroll up that far) and then reports: Then forward the output to a file - sudo ...sshd ... ~/sshd.out 21 Of course. Muy stupido. The relevant part seems here: debug1: Entering interactive session for SSH2. debug2: fd 6 setting O_NONBLOCK debug2: fd 7 setting O_NONBLOCK debug1: server_init_dispatch_20 debug2: User child is on pid 10258 debug3: mm_request_receive entering debug1: server_input_channel_open: ctype session rchan 0 win 65536 max 16384 debug1: input_session_request debug1: channel 0: new [server-session] debug1: session_new: init debug1: session_new: session 0 debug1: session_open: channel 0 debug1: session_open: session 0: link with channel 0 debug1: server_input_channel_open: confirm session debug1: server_input_channel_req: channel 0 request x11-req reply 0 debug1: session_by_channel: session 0 channel 0 debug1: session_input_channel_req: session 0 req x11-req debug2: bind port 6010: Cannot assign requested address debug2: bind port 6010: Cannot assign requested address debug2: bind port 6011: Cannot assign requested address ... debug2: bind port 6998: Cannot assign requested address debug2: bind port 6999: Cannot assign requested address debug2: bind port 6999: Cannot assign requested address Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket. debug1: x11_create_display_inet failed. But I don't know what to make of it. Thanks, Alan debug2: bind port 6999: Cannot assign requested address Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket. debug1: x11_create_display_inet failed. So that at least explains why DISPLAY is not set. Any further help appreciated. Googling about, http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-devm=104336969724537w=2 looks closest to your situation - do you have the loopback interface configured? Another option - disable ipv6 by adding: ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 To sshd_config. (source: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=9915/sam0512i/0512i.htm it's Sun-specific but the error message is the same). Cheers, --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
