Re: Rant: Caching tools still suck

[Rob Chapman]

for point A I always assumed it a was refresh issue of the operator
stack... because reloading the scene would also bring back the
duplicated point clouds attributes.

instead of duplicating a pointcloud with a cache attached, creating a
new empty pointcloud and loading the cache would always work.

and yes for changing attributes on B is a workaround I use - reloading
the clip or repointing it to the same file 'refreshes' its attribute
list.


On 11 September 2013 07:01, Vincent Fortin  wrote:
>>+1 for better mixer integration Vincent :)
> I'm curious to know what kind of issues people are having with the mixer.
> On my side the main problem is that the pointcloud hosting the MixerOp
> looses all attributes. I end up with a bunch of black dots moving around.
> It happens pretty randomly but I've managed to isolate a few problematic
> scenarios:
>
> A) load a cache on an empty pointcloud. Duplicate that point cloud. The new
> pointcloud is either empty (no particles) or displays as black dots. Not
> sure what is going on here: the mixer clip gets duplicated and apparently
> assigned to the new pointcloud but fails to display. Worse, if you delete
> the new pointcloud, then the original one goes black dots. Only way to fix
> that is to clear the source path and paste it back. But I noticed that from
> that point on the problem will come back more often as if the mixer was
> "corrupted".
>
> B) If the attribute description of a cache file changes, the mixer will crap
> out. That means that if you overwrite a cache file on your hard drive with a
> newer version that doesn't have exactly the same content, any pointcloud in
> any scene reading that cache will go "black dots".
>
> C) Mixer applied on top of a reference model: bad idea. It's not 100%
> reproducible but happens a lot. Same black dots issue. I don't think it
> comes from the delta as this is not stored in there, right? Nonetheless it's
> a reference model issue for sure.
>
> Somehow I get the feeling that this kind of problem happens more frequently
> as the scene grows in complexity. Moving pointclouds around from a Model to
> another suddenly becomes unreliable as the mixer doesn't alway get
> copied/updated properly.
>
> I hope people can share their experiences so we can get this thing working
> properly ONE DAY ;-)
> Or maybe I should try using the CacheOnFile node for reading only.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Morten Bartholdy 
> wrote:
>>
>> I would definately vote for a reworked centralized cacheing tool which
>> left no doubt what is being done. I agree with Eric that the current
>> implementation is a mess.
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 for better mixer integration Vincent :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Morten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 10. september 2013 kl. 18:06 skrev Vincent Fortin :
>>
>> The best way I've found to work around the custom attribute issue is to
>> lay down a Log Value node with "Log" actually turned off. I find the usual
>> "Attribute Display" trick unreliable especially in batch mode.
>>
>> I always use the CacheObjectsIntoFile method (aka Cache Manage). Frankly
>> for an "out of the box" tool I wouldn't say the Cache Manager sucks. Do you
>> have any particular issues other than the custom attribute caching bug?
>>
>> What really drives me nuts is the total unreliability of the mixer when it
>> comes to reading icecaches. I have noticed many scenarios where attributes
>> simply vanish for no reason. Only way to bring them back is to clear the
>> Source path and paste it back in. Using the mixer for caches is a great
>> feature IMHO, too bad it's so unreliable :-(
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Eric Thivierge < ethivie...@hybride.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> You're welcome. :)
>>
>> http://exocortex.com/products/ crate
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Polygon strip drawing?

[Szabolcs Matefy]

Hey folks...does anybody know if there is a script, addon or plugin for drawing 
polygon strip? I mean, that I start draw a polygon, and after the first polygon 
I just need to put down one vertex and the rest is done automatically. Like 
Quad Draw functionality in Maya.

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Re: Rant: Caching tools still suck

[Vincent Fortin]

>+1 for better mixer integration Vincent :)
I'm curious to know what kind of issues people are having with the mixer.
On my side the main problem is that the pointcloud hosting the MixerOp
looses all attributes. I end up with a bunch of black dots moving around.
It happens pretty randomly but I've managed to isolate a few problematic
scenarios:

A) load a cache on an empty pointcloud. Duplicate that point cloud. The new
pointcloud is either empty (no particles) or displays as black dots. Not
sure what is going on here: the mixer clip gets duplicated and apparently
assigned to the new pointcloud but fails to display. Worse, if you delete
the new pointcloud, then the original one goes black dots. Only way to fix
that is to clear the source path and paste it back. But I noticed that from
that point on the problem will come back more often as if the mixer was
"corrupted".

B) If the attribute description of a cache file changes, the mixer will
crap out. That means that if you overwrite a cache file on your hard drive
with a newer version that doesn't have exactly the same content, any
pointcloud in any scene reading that cache will go "black dots".

C) Mixer applied on top of a reference model: bad idea. It's not
100% reproducible but happens a lot. Same black dots issue. I don't think
it comes from the delta as this is not stored in there, right? Nonetheless
it's a reference model issue for sure.

Somehow I get the feeling that this kind of problem happens more frequently
as the scene grows in complexity. Moving pointclouds around from a Model to
another suddenly becomes unreliable as the mixer doesn't alway get
copied/updated properly.

I hope people can share their experiences so we can get this thing working
properly ONE DAY ;-)
Or maybe I should try using the CacheOnFile node for reading only.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Morten Bartholdy wrote:

> **
>
> I would definately vote for a reworked centralized cacheing tool which
> left no doubt what is being done. I agree with Eric that the current
> implementation is a mess.
>
>
>
> +1 for better mixer integration Vincent :)
>
>
>
> Morten
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Den 10. september 2013 kl. 18:06 skrev Vincent Fortin :
>
>
>   The best way I've found to work around the custom attribute issue is to
> lay down a Log Value node with "Log" actually turned off. I find the usual
> "Attribute Display" trick unreliable especially in batch mode.
>
> I always use the CacheObjectsIntoFile method (aka Cache Manage). Frankly
> for an "out of the box" tool I wouldn't say the Cache Manager sucks. Do you
> have any particular issues other than the custom attribute caching bug?
>
> What really drives me nuts is the total unreliability of the mixer when it
> comes to reading icecaches. I have noticed many scenarios where attributes
> simply vanish for no reason. Only way to bring them back is to clear the
> Source path and paste it back in. Using the mixer for caches is a great
> feature IMHO, too bad it's so unreliable :-(
>
>
>  On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Eric Thivierge < ethivie...@hybride.com> 
> wrote:
>
>
> You're welcome. :)
>
>  http://exocortex.com/products/ crate
> 
>
>
>
>

RE: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Szabolcs Matefy]

Hehe, as a game character artist I can assure anybody that there were 0 
development on games side in Softimage. OK Unfold has been worked a bit, but 
still feels like a badly ported Max plugin. No real use of paramteres, I still 
prefer UVLayout. The worst is our viewport...I think Maya has been developed a 
lot more on games front than Softimage. Chekcout dx11 implementation, they have 
proper FBX export, and so on. And they have NEX (with plenty of useful tools 
for modeling). OK, Softimage is still better (to me) but c'mon, I wanna see 
DEVELOPMENT for the f.ck sake for our subscription fee and not only bug fixes...

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lind
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:11 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: softimage.tv - Hello World!

Funny, we're a games studio and have been working on a project for 8.5 years 
which is expected to live for another 8.5 years.  We have not seen significant 
work in the games features in quite a long time.  We've seen several revamps of 
existing technology such as realtime shaders, often with dire consequences, but 
nothing significant in many years.  We do not use ICE, nor can we outside of 
niche situations.

So, if Softimage is not to be developed for film/tv anymore, and ICE does not 
have a significant emphasis in games work, why is more time being spent on ICE 
centric features to target a games market?


Matt




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softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:44 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

and after all of this...


autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they 
arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all 
development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games

>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and 
>nothing new really but...
ty AD.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez 
mailto:cesa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at once (we'll 
add that asap).
For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it 
(http://softimage.tv/?s=.)

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin 
mailto:gerem@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nice !
Thank you ;-)

On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez 
mailto:cesa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremie,
Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete list (sorted 
by date).
We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so suggestions 
are always welcome :)

Cheers!

Re: Rant: Caching tools still suck

[Vincent Fortin]

Anyone doing any regular particle work in Softimage should spend some time
(or money) on a command-line caching system. It gets rid of all custom
attribute related issues and gives you unlimited processing licenses. Even
if you don't have a farm it's just simpler and faster to run sims in a dos
prompt.
The programming hooks are all available for it and it's a matter of about a
day of work to implement a batch version of the Cache Manager. If you
absolutely want to stay within Softimage, remember that the Cache Manager
is an addon, so fairly easy to customize.
The rest is just fine-tuning depending on your preferred workflow. Everyone
has different needs and methodology. I think the Cache Manager inside
Softimage is pretty decent for the average user. It's got a clear listing
of all the caches in your scene (although I'm not always clear on which
objects they're assigned to). It uses tokens which help keeping things
somewhat generic. Also the Cachelist feature is very nice and underrated
but quite limited on a customization level. I ended-up replacing it
completely but it's still enjoyable out of the box. You don't find that
level of polishing in other softwares.
When I think about all the great development made on ICE since its
inception that makes it so easy and fun to work with, no wonder artists are
so emotive about its future.

...that said someone really needs to fix that goddamn custom attribute bug.
And the caching of locations while you're there!



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Morten Bartholdy wrote:

> **
>
> I would definately vote for a reworked centralized cacheing tool which
> left no doubt what is being done. I agree with Eric that the current
> implementation is a mess.
>
>
>
> +1 for better mixer integration Vincent :)
>
>
>
> Morten
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Den 10. september 2013 kl. 18:06 skrev Vincent Fortin :
>
>
>   The best way I've found to work around the custom attribute issue is to
> lay down a Log Value node with "Log" actually turned off. I find the usual
> "Attribute Display" trick unreliable especially in batch mode.
>
> I always use the CacheObjectsIntoFile method (aka Cache Manage). Frankly
> for an "out of the box" tool I wouldn't say the Cache Manager sucks. Do you
> have any particular issues other than the custom attribute caching bug?
>
> What really drives me nuts is the total unreliability of the mixer when it
> comes to reading icecaches. I have noticed many scenarios where attributes
> simply vanish for no reason. Only way to bring them back is to clear the
> Source path and paste it back in. Using the mixer for caches is a great
> feature IMHO, too bad it's so unreliable :-(
>
>
>  On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Eric Thivierge < ethivie...@hybride.com> 
> wrote:
>
>
> You're welcome. :)
>
>  http://exocortex.com/products/ crate
> 
>
>
>
>

Naiad & the Ice team

[Nick Angus]

Perhaps not something that will put any Softimage rumours to rest, but 
interesting nonetheless.
The FX guide articles are always very in-depth and well thought out and this 
one is no different.

Interesting seeing the awful Maya node graph being tunneled into with a very 
ICE-like interface.

http://www.fxguide.com/featured/bifrost-the-return-of-the-naiad-team-with-a-bridge-to-ice/

N

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Daniel Brassard]

The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move
buying Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features
in other apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I
don't think AD will let that go.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

>   couldn’t agree more with your analysis Matt.
>
> I don’t think AD is reading the situation very well – but who knows... a
> lot of men-in-suit’s necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer
> necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might
> still make a difference. Or not.
>
>
>
>
>  *From:* Matt Lind 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental?
>
>
> Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation
> very well.
>
> 
>
> To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing
> there aren’t as many customers when summer ends.  However, instead of
> reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re
> jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic.
>
> 
>
> If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate
> for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade.
>
> 
>
> Matt
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *pete...@skynet.be
> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> 
>
> This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other
> vendor) to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them
> to generate revenue. 
>
> Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps
> rentals can compensate somewhat?
>
>  
>
> Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or
> selling/licensing parts of software,... 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Angus Davidson  
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM
>
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
>
> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental?
>
>  
>
> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that
> worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version
> rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs
> you to work on a older version. 
>
>  
>
> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.
>
>  
>   --
>
> *From:* Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl]
> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 05:38 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> not seeing Softimage on that list
>
> 
>
> Rob
>
> 
>
> \/-\/\/
>
> On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote:
>
> So are we going to be getting a rental option?
>
> http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices
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Re: Übertage travel?

[Octavian Ureche]

Heya,

I am currently pondering over train / airplane / motorcycle. Haven't made
up my mind yet.
Will probably leave motorcycle out cuz it's a 4000 km round trip from
bucharest to siegen.
And i have knobbies on :)

What i find odd though, is that i can't find any hostels in siegen...only
hotels.
Bugdetplaces.com doesn't even recognize the city.
And the nearest city for the low cost carriers is Dortmund.
Will look into trains later today.

Cheers,
Octav


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Schoenberger  wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> I am planing my trip to Übertage (and then a week NRW).
>
> To just to check:
> Is anyone driving from Düsseldorf/Neuss?
> As we probably go to drink some in the evening and the last train takes 3h.
> Otherwise, I will get a hotel for two nights and drive myself
> Stuttgart->Siegen and Siegen->Neuss and have some place left.
>
>
>
> Holger Schoenberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Rant: Caching tools still suck

[Morten Bartholdy]

I would definately vote for a reworked centralized cacheing tool which left
no doubt what is being done. I agree with Eric that the current
implementation is a mess.

+1 for better mixer integration Vincent :)

Morten





Den 10. september 2013 kl. 18:06 skrev Vincent Fortin :

> The best way I've found to work around the custom attribute issue is to lay
> down a Log Value node with "Log" actually turned off. I find the usual
> "Attribute Display" trick unreliable especially in batch mode.
> 
> I always use the CacheObjectsIntoFile method (aka Cache Manage). Frankly
> for an "out of the box" tool I wouldn't say the Cache Manager sucks. Do you
> have any particular issues other than the custom attribute caching bug?
> 
> What really drives me nuts is the total unreliability of the mixer when it
> comes to reading icecaches. I have noticed many scenarios where attributes
> simply vanish for no reason. Only way to bring them back is to clear the
> Source path and paste it back in. Using the mixer for caches is a great
> feature IMHO, too bad it's so unreliable :-(
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Eric Thivierge < ethivie...@hybride.com
>  > wrote:
> > 
> > http://exocortex.com/products/ crate 

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Schoenberger]

And if Softimage is a competition, AD would have to improve Maya and 3dsmax 
that people are still buying it... 
 
Naa, to much work... just sit on the subscription...
 
Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night

 


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From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Marc-Andre 
Carbonneau
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:16 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?



Well because then it would become competition again…

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: 10 septembre 2013 10:09
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

 

If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will 
actually develop it...

 

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson  
wrote:

If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I 
mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not
developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years?

-Tim C.

 

On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:

Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there 
some that will say for crying out loud or similar... 

 

autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they 
arent really going to develop it for the film/advert
side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will 
develop mainly for games

 

>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and 
>nothing new really but...

In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and 
honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.

 

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson  
wrote:

Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your 
logic, surely there should have been some explanation of
this up front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the 
problem as you lay out in your last sentence is that you
cant talk about future developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of 
not explaining what you are currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental 
options(It could very well be a technical reason). However
no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is 
speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its
a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I 
mean when it gets to the point that people are now
actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from Max or 
Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty
serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear  
then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we
have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to 
differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what
happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all 
know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the 
mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't
have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in 
the first place by your marketing and awareness
people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and expectations 
that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM

To: 
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older 
versions. This is our expectation and this has been
taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many 
people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex
gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very 
large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to
offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version usage. Since we 
cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our
hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all 
evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be 
gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of
forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption 
blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of
the latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the 
license model as designed does not entail forced
upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the 
installed version until the user choses to upgrade

(usual

Re: Anyone have examples of writing custom ICE attributes via the SDK?

[Alan Fregtman]

I missed those posts. Thanks Stephen! :)



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Stephen Blair wrote:

>
> http://xsisupport.com/2012/11/13/scripting-writing-the-dataarray-of-an-ice-attribute/
> http://xsisupport.com/2013/03/25/aha-setting-dataarray2d-with-jscript/
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Alan Fregtman wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> So I called the AddICEAttribute() method, and on its returned attribute I
>> can't seem to set its .DataArray property with a simple list of integers.
>> It logs this:
>>
>> *# WARNING : 3392 - Invalid offset specified while extracting data from
>> this attribute: *
>> *# *
>>
>> ...but I'm not extracting anything! I'm trying to SET the data.
>>
>> Is there a secret trick to it? I'm trying to use Python.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Cheers,
>>
>>-- Alan
>>
>>
>

RE: �bertage travel?

[Schoenberger]

Ok, taking a hotel from 12.-14.
So if anyone needs to get from Stuttgart to Siegen on Thursday evening, let me 
know.

Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night



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 |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
 |> Of Schoenberger
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 |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
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 |>
 |>
 |> Hi
 |>
 |> I am planing my trip to Übertage (and then a week NRW).
 |>
 |> To just to check:
 |> Is anyone driving from Düsseldorf/Neuss?
 |> As we probably go to drink some in the evening and the last
 |> train takes 3h.
 |> Otherwise, I will get a hotel for two nights and drive myself
 |> Stuttgart->Siegen and Siegen->Neuss and have some place left.
 |>
 |>
 |>
 |> Holger Schoenberger
 |> technical director
 |> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take
 |> the night
 |>
 |>
 |>
 |>

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Emilio Hernandez]

Let's write Adobe to buy Softimage.  They are only missing now a 3D
software. :P


2013/9/10 Eugen Sares 

>  Maya got enough other problems... I don't envy them, at all.
>
> AD's predicament is, throttling down Softimage development too far is
> going to stagnate sells, and they don't exactly look like a company that
> wants to keep a non-profitable product.
> But they don't want to sell it either, because that would mean creating
> competition and loss of customers (even if they tried, I don't think they
> would get their 35mio. back).
> Killing it would mean loosing a good chunk of the userbase, too, because
> Soft users won't run into the arms of Maya so quickly. Embarrasing...
> So they keep it alive, which means there has be *some* development. Good
> for us. Better than nothing...
> That leaves the tactics to add half-baked or cheap stuff, and hope people
> are stupid enough to throw more money in...
>
> The best and fairest scenario would be to make it a much more open
> framework, and leave it's fate to those who care.
>
> The COM/OLE thing, though, is a major f*ckup, that's for sure. Really
> bitter. Well, at least windows is still the most widely used OS.
> I wonder if it would be possible to get rid of those core dependencies bit
> by bit, or if it would have to be all or nothing.
>
>
> Am 10.09.2013 20:34, schrieb Matt Lind:
>
>  Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too?
>
> ** **
>
> Here’s to hoping.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Matt
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Eugen Sares
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> ** **
>
> There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also.
> Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock.
>
> What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is
> invested as wisely as possible.
> Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd
> parties to do Autodesk's job.
> Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched.
>
>
>
> Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau:
>
> Well because then it would become competition again…
>
>  
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic
> *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>
>  
>
> If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that
> will actually develop it...
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson <
> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote:
>
> If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is.
> I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for
> film/advert' any different than in the last few years?
>
> -Tim C.
>
>  
>
> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>
>  Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that
> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... 
>
>  
>
> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
> develop mainly for games*
>
>  
>
> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess...
> and nothing new really but...
>
> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option
> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Maurice
>
> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your
> logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.
>  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you
> lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future
> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining
> what you are currently doing either.
>
> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental
> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side
> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none
> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point
> that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active
> subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a
> pretty serious problem.
>
> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
> disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are
> our observations and perce

Re: Anyone have examples of writing custom ICE attributes via the SDK?

[Alan Fregtman]

What about non-singleton attributes like say a per-point integer? I can't
get those to be set. I can work around it in my case, but I'm curious why
it won't work like the docs appear to imply.



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Alan Fregtman wrote:

> I missed those posts. Thanks Stephen! :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Stephen Blair wrote:
>
>>
>> http://xsisupport.com/2012/11/13/scripting-writing-the-dataarray-of-an-ice-attribute/
>> http://xsisupport.com/2013/03/25/aha-setting-dataarray2d-with-jscript/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Alan Fregtman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> So I called the AddICEAttribute() method, and on its returned attribute
>>> I can't seem to set its .DataArray property with a simple list of integers.
>>> It logs this:
>>>
>>> *# WARNING : 3392 - Invalid offset specified while extracting data from
>>> this attribute: *
>>> *# *
>>>
>>> ...but I'm not extracting anything! I'm trying to SET the data.
>>>
>>> Is there a secret trick to it? I'm trying to use Python.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>-- Alan
>>>
>>>
>>
>

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Matt Lind]

Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too?

Here's to hoping.


Matt



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eugen Sares
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also.
Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock.

What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is 
invested as wisely as possible.
Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd parties to 
do Autodesk's job.
Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched.



Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau:
Well because then it would become competition again...

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: 10 septembre 2013 10:09
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will 
actually develop it...

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson 
mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote:
If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I 
mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for 
film/advert' any different than in the last few years?

-Tim C.

On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there 
some that will say for crying out loud or similar...

autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they 
arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all 
development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games

>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and 
>nothing new really but...
In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and 
honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your 
logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.  
Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay 
out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. 
However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are 
currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental 
options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of 
Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that 
will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on 
the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are 
now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from 
Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear  
then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our 
observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate 
whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far 
are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the 
mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company 
the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by 
your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to 
be filled and expectations that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel 
[maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older 
versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still 
we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for 
flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain 
extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We 
continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version 
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are 
somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. 
Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. 
We expect that the model will be gradually integrated 

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Daniel,
No. unfortunately there is no option to convert to a permanent license. It is 
not really designed as a lease-to-buy plan. Not saying that might not happen in 
the future but it is not what the plan is today.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Brassard
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:37 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Quick question for Maurice, if you rent over time pass the two year mark, can 
you then be provided the option to convert to a permanent license?

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Brassard 
mailto:dbrassar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move buying 
Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features in other 
apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I don't think AD 
will let that go.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> 
wrote:
couldn't agree more with your analysis Matt.

I don't think AD is reading the situation very well - but who knows... a lot of 
men-in-suit's necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer necessity they 
might come up with something - and if they hurry it might still make a 
difference. Or not.




From: Matt Lind
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?

Well, if they want to generate revenue they're not reading the situation very 
well.

To use an analogy, they're running a lemonade stand and are realizing there 
aren't as many customers when summer ends.  However, instead of reducing prices 
to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they're jacking the price 
up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic.

If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate for 
the times, perhaps something other than lemonade.

Matt




From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other vendor) 
to accommodate your activities - it comes out of a need from them to generate 
revenue.
Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining - so perhaps rentals 
can compensate somewhat?

Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions - or 
selling/licensing parts of software,...



From: Angus Davidson
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?

Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me 
in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I 
have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older 
version.

One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.


From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl]
Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
not seeing Softimage on that list

Rob



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On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote:
So are we going to be getting a rental option?

http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices



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Re: Übertage travel?

[Leonard Koch]

Here, all of these hotels have hostel-like prices:
http://www.villa-trallala.de/preise.htm
http://www.hoteljakobgarni.de/html/zimmer.html
http://www.garni-tell.de/zimmer.html
http://www.akuna-matata.de/2.html
http://www.rosenhof-siegen.de/zimmerpreise.html

Hope this helps.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Leonard Koch wrote:

> There are really cheap hotels in Siegen.
> When I looked into it last year I found some for less than 30€ a night.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Octavian Ureche  wrote:
>
>> Heya,
>>
>> I am currently pondering over train / airplane / motorcycle. Haven't made
>> up my mind yet.
>> Will probably leave motorcycle out cuz it's a 4000 km round trip from
>> bucharest to siegen.
>> And i have knobbies on :)
>>
>> What i find odd though, is that i can't find any hostels in siegen...only
>> hotels.
>> Bugdetplaces.com doesn't even recognize the city.
>> And the nearest city for the low cost carriers is Dortmund.
>> Will look into trains later today.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Octav
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Schoenberger  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am planing my trip to Übertage (and then a week NRW).
>>>
>>> To just to check:
>>> Is anyone driving from Düsseldorf/Neuss?
>>> As we probably go to drink some in the evening and the last train takes
>>> 3h.
>>> Otherwise, I will get a hotel for two nights and drive myself
>>> Stuttgart->Siegen and Siegen->Neuss and have some place left.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Holger Schoenberger
>>> technical director
>>> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Octavian Ureche
>>  +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2)
>>  Animation & Visual Effects
>>   www.okto.ro
>>
>
>

Re: ICE deform by curve keeps breaking live link

[Alan Fregtman]

Not sure why it's losing the link, but I can tell you "ICE optimization" is
not it.



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Morten Bartholdy wrote:

> **
>
>  When deforming geometry by curve in ICE I keep loosing the live link to
> the curve, so the geometry doesn't change shape when the curve does. The
> geo is still deformed like when I applied the deform by curve, only it does
> not react to shape changes on the curve, which makes me think it might be
> an ICE optimization issue. If I remove and reapply the deform by curve it
> goes live again ,bu tapparently breaks the link after a while. I am at loss
> regarding how to fix this, hoping I could animate the curve, but not quite
> trusting it. BTW I have one more non sim ICE tree with some geometry
> turbulence on the geo, apply the curve by curve last and then swap the
> order of them to get the deformations right. The curve deform is still live
> after this, but breaks later. I can't ppoint to any particular procedure
> that breaks it though.
>
>
>I hope this is something really simple, but need a nudge in the right
> direction :)
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>  Morten
>
>
>
>
>

RE: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Matt Lind]

Funny, we're a games studio and have been working on a project for 8.5 years 
which is expected to live for another 8.5 years.  We have not seen significant 
work in the games features in quite a long time.  We've seen several revamps of 
existing technology such as realtime shaders, often with dire consequences, but 
nothing significant in many years.  We do not use ICE, nor can we outside of 
niche situations.

So, if Softimage is not to be developed for film/tv anymore, and ICE does not 
have a significant emphasis in games work, why is more time being spent on ICE 
centric features to target a games market?


Matt




From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:44 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

and after all of this...


autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they 
arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all 
development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games

>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and 
>nothing new really but...
ty AD.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez 
mailto:cesa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at once (we'll 
add that asap).
For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it 
(http://softimage.tv/?s=.)

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin 
mailto:gerem@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nice !
Thank you ;-)

On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez 
mailto:cesa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Jeremie,
Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete list (sorted 
by date).
We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so suggestions 
are always welcome :)

Cheers!

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Emilio Hernandez]

Thanks for clarifying this one Graham.  Good that someone from AD kills
this rumors.


2013/9/10 Graham Bell 

> Erm, I'm not sure where that 'source' has come from, but I think some
> wires might have been crossed about what was said at this meeting
> There was a meeting in London with Softimage customers, back in June. It
> was somewhat hastily arranged (but don't read anything into that). The
> meeting was not to go into details about roadmaps and future development,
> but more to get some direct feedback from customers. Chris Bradshaw (head
> of M&E) and Stig Grueman (head of M&E WWsales) were present at that meeting.
>
> As for the lack of Softimage rental, it's a shame Softimage didn't make
> the list, but I understand the reasoning for this.
> When you look at the whole Autodesk folio, only a relative small bunch of
> products have rental options right now, so it's early days I think.
> Personally I would like to see more of our products (including Softimage)
> start to offer a rental option, but I don't honestly know if/when this will
> happen.
>
> G
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
> Sent: 10 September 2013 14:10
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that
> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar...
>
> autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said
> they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things,
> now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop
> mainly for games
>
> >From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
> guess... and nothing new really but...
> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option
> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson  > wrote:
> Hi Maurice
>
> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your
> logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.
>  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you
> lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future
> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining
> what you are currently doing either.
>
> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental
> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side
> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none
> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point
> that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active
> subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a
> pretty serious problem.
>
> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
> disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are
> our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to
> differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion.
> The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.
>
> I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on
> the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a
> company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first
> place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap
> that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed.
>
> Anyway thanks again
>
> Angus
>
> 
> From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>]
> Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
> To:  softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> Hi Angus,
> You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on
> older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into
> account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people
> want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability
> (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to
> qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you
> prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and
> capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we
> expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
> somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be
> gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards
> compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker.
> However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest vers

Re: Anyone have examples of writing custom ICE attributes via the SDK?

[Vincent Ullmann]

Did you saw this example from the dosc?
http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/softimage2014/en_us/sdkguide/si_om/ICEAttribute.DataArray.html
(2. Example)

Here is a little Snipped i wrote some time ago.
Note: It works only with a Cube. Not with a NonFrezzedPointCloud

[snip]
from win32com.client import constants as c
xsi = Application

# Debug
obj = xsi.Selection[0]

# Create and/or get Attribute
attr = obj.ActivePrimitive.AddICEAttribute("Test", c.siICENodeDataLong, 
c.siICENodeStructureSingle, c.siICENodeContextComponent0D  )


# Populate a List
valueArray = []
for i in range(attr.ElementCount):
valueArray.append(i*i )

# Set List as DataArray
attr.DataArray = valueArray
[/snip]


Am 10.09.2013 23:46, schrieb Alan Fregtman:
What about non-singleton attributes like say a per-point integer? I 
can't get those to be set. I can work around it in my case, but I'm 
curious why it won't work like the docs appear to imply.




On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Alan Fregtman 
mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I missed those posts. Thanks Stephen! :)



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Stephen Blair
mailto:stephenrbl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


http://xsisupport.com/2012/11/13/scripting-writing-the-dataarray-of-an-ice-attribute/
http://xsisupport.com/2013/03/25/aha-setting-dataarray2d-with-jscript/


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Alan Fregtman
mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey guys,

So I called the AddICEAttribute() method, and on its
returned attribute I can't seem to set its .DataArray
property with a simple list of integers. It logs this:

/# WARNING : 3392 - Invalid offset specified while
extracting data from this attribute: /
/# /

...but I'm not extracting anything! I'm trying to SET the
data.

Is there a secret trick to it? I'm trying to use Python.

Thanks in advance.
Cheers,

   -- Alan

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Matt Lind]

Core replacement would likely be all or nothing as it would take a long time to 
replicate all the duties in a new core and get all the bugs out.

At this stage of the game, it's deal with it or write a new application.

What I'd like to know is why all these studios around the world are being paid 
visits and given this news while we have been users for many years and need to 
continue to be users for many more due to technical dependencies and haven't 
heard so much as a peep from AD.


Matt





From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eugen Sares
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:54 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Maya got enough other problems... I don't envy them, at all.

AD's predicament is, throttling down Softimage development too far is going to 
stagnate sells, and they don't exactly look like a company that wants to keep a 
non-profitable product.
But they don't want to sell it either, because that would mean creating 
competition and loss of customers (even if they tried, I don't think they would 
get their 35mio. back).
Killing it would mean loosing a good chunk of the userbase, too, because Soft 
users won't run into the arms of Maya so quickly. Embarrasing...
So they keep it alive, which means there has be *some* development. Good for 
us. Better than nothing...
That leaves the tactics to add half-baked or cheap stuff, and hope people are 
stupid enough to throw more money in...

The best and fairest scenario would be to make it a much more open framework, 
and leave it's fate to those who care.

The COM/OLE thing, though, is a major f*ckup, that's for sure. Really bitter. 
Well, at least windows is still the most widely used OS.
I wonder if it would be possible to get rid of those core dependencies bit by 
bit, or if it would have to be all or nothing.


Am 10.09.2013 20:34, schrieb Matt Lind:
Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too?

Here's to hoping.


Matt



From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eugen Sares
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also.
Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock.

What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is 
invested as wisely as possible.
Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd parties to 
do Autodesk's job.
Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched.



Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau:
Well because then it would become competition again...

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: 10 septembre 2013 10:09
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will 
actually develop it...

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson 
mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote:
If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I 
mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for 
film/advert' any different than in the last few years?

-Tim C.

On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there 
some that will say for crying out loud or similar...

autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they 
arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all 
development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games

>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and 
>nothing new really but...
In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and 
honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your 
logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.  
Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay 
out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. 
However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are 
currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental 
options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of 
Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that 
will ever be good. You know

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Luca!!!!]

It would be great. But they have an agreement with Maxon now, so it's like
they have C4D


2013/9/10 Emilio Hernandez 

> Let's write Adobe to buy Softimage.  They are only missing now a 3D
> software. :P
>
>
> 2013/9/10 Eugen Sares 
>
>>  Maya got enough other problems... I don't envy them, at all.
>>
>> AD's predicament is, throttling down Softimage development too far is
>> going to stagnate sells, and they don't exactly look like a company that
>> wants to keep a non-profitable product.
>> But they don't want to sell it either, because that would mean creating
>> competition and loss of customers (even if they tried, I don't think they
>> would get their 35mio. back).
>> Killing it would mean loosing a good chunk of the userbase, too, because
>> Soft users won't run into the arms of Maya so quickly. Embarrasing...
>> So they keep it alive, which means there has be *some* development. Good
>> for us. Better than nothing...
>> That leaves the tactics to add half-baked or cheap stuff, and hope people
>> are stupid enough to throw more money in...
>>
>> The best and fairest scenario would be to make it a much more open
>> framework, and leave it's fate to those who care.
>>
>> The COM/OLE thing, though, is a major f*ckup, that's for sure. Really
>> bitter. Well, at least windows is still the most widely used OS.
>> I wonder if it would be possible to get rid of those core dependencies
>> bit by bit, or if it would have to be all or nothing.
>>
>>
>> Am 10.09.2013 20:34, schrieb Matt Lind:
>>
>>  Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Here’s to hoping.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
>> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Eugen Sares
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also.
>> Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock.
>>
>> What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources is
>> invested as wisely as possible.
>> Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd
>> parties to do Autodesk's job.
>> Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau:
>>
>> Well because then it would become competition again…
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
>> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic
>> *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>>
>>  
>>
>> If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else
>> that will actually develop it...
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson <
>> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote:
>>
>> If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it
>> is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for
>> film/advert' any different than in the last few years?
>>
>> -Tim C.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>>
>>  Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that
>> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
>> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
>> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
>> develop mainly for games*
>>
>>  
>>
>> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
>> guess... and nothing new really but...
>>
>> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option
>> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson <
>> angus.david...@wits.ac.za> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Maurice
>>
>> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand
>> your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up
>> front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem
>> as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future
>> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining
>> what you are currently doing either.
>>
>> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental
>> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side
>> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none
>> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
>> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point
>> that people are now actively asking for ways to move 

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Eugen Sares]

Maya got enough other problems... I don't envy them, at all.

AD's predicament is, throttling down Softimage development too far is 
going to stagnate sells, and they don't exactly look like a company that 
wants to keep a non-profitable product.
But they don't want to sell it either, because that would mean creating 
competition and loss of customers (even if they tried, I don't think 
they would get their 35mio. back).
Killing it would mean loosing a good chunk of the userbase, too, because 
Soft users won't run into the arms of Maya so quickly. Embarrasing...
So they keep it alive, which means there has be *some* development. Good 
for us. Better than nothing...
That leaves the tactics to add half-baked or cheap stuff, and hope 
people are stupid enough to throw more money in...


The best and fairest scenario would be to make it a much more open 
framework, and leave it's fate to those who care.


The COM/OLE thing, though, is a major f*ckup, that's for sure. Really 
bitter. Well, at least windows is still the most widely used OS.
I wonder if it would be possible to get rid of those core dependencies 
bit by bit, or if it would have to be all or nothing.



Am 10.09.2013 20:34, schrieb Matt Lind:


Did they transfer the COM/OLE core so they can kill Maya too?

Here's to hoping.

Matt

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Eugen 
Sares

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:41 AM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?

There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also.
Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock.

What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources 
is invested as wisely as possible.
Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd 
parties to do Autodesk's job.

Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched.



Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau:

Well because then it would become competition again...

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com

[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of
*Mirko Jankovic
*Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

*Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?

If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone
else that will actually develop it...

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson
mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote:

If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature
as it is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not
developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years?

-Tim C.

On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:

Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no
matter that there some that will say for crying out loud or
similar...

/autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use
xsi and said they arent really going to develop it for the
film/advert side of things, now all development is from a
small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games/

From a source... well someone here probably was on that
meeting I guess... and nothing new really but...

In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI
rental option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple
as that.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>>
wrote:

Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can
understand your logic, surely there should have been some
explanation of this up front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on
the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your
last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments.
However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what
you are currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from
the rental options(It could very well be a technical reason).
However no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only
thing they can do is speculate and none of that will ever be
good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to
the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move
their current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you
have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and
then disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right
now all we have are our observations and perceptions and

Re: Übertage travel?

[Octavian Ureche]

Thanks Leonard.
This will definitely help.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Leonard Koch wrote:

> Here, all of these hotels have hostel-like prices:
> http://www.villa-trallala.de/preise.htm
> http://www.hoteljakobgarni.de/html/zimmer.html
> http://www.garni-tell.de/zimmer.html
> http://www.akuna-matata.de/2.html
> http://www.rosenhof-siegen.de/zimmerpreise.html
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Leonard Koch wrote:
>
>> There are really cheap hotels in Siegen.
>> When I looked into it last year I found some for less than 30€ a night.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Octavian Ureche wrote:
>>
>>> Heya,
>>>
>>> I am currently pondering over train / airplane / motorcycle. Haven't
>>> made up my mind yet.
>>> Will probably leave motorcycle out cuz it's a 4000 km round trip from
>>> bucharest to siegen.
>>> And i have knobbies on :)
>>>
>>> What i find odd though, is that i can't find any hostels in
>>> siegen...only hotels.
>>> Bugdetplaces.com doesn't even recognize the city.
>>> And the nearest city for the low cost carriers is Dortmund.
>>> Will look into trains later today.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Octav
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Schoenberger  wrote:
>>>

 Hi

 I am planing my trip to Übertage (and then a week NRW).

 To just to check:
 Is anyone driving from Düsseldorf/Neuss?
 As we probably go to drink some in the evening and the last train takes
 3h.
 Otherwise, I will get a hotel for two nights and drive myself
 Stuttgart->Siegen and Siegen->Neuss and have some place left.



 Holger Schoenberger
 technical director
 The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night





>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Octavian Ureche
>>>  +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2)
>>>  Animation & Visual Effects
>>>   www.okto.ro
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Octavian Ureche
 +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2)
 Animation & Visual Effects
  www.okto.ro

Re: Anyone have examples of writing custom ICE attributes via the SDK?

[Stephen Blair]

http://xsisupport.com/2012/11/13/scripting-writing-the-dataarray-of-an-ice-attribute/
http://xsisupport.com/2013/03/25/aha-setting-dataarray2d-with-jscript/


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Alan Fregtman wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> So I called the AddICEAttribute() method, and on its returned attribute I
> can't seem to set its .DataArray property with a simple list of integers.
> It logs this:
>
> *# WARNING : 3392 - Invalid offset specified while extracting data from
> this attribute: *
> *# *
>
> ...but I'm not extracting anything! I'm trying to SET the data.
>
> Is there a secret trick to it? I'm trying to use Python.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Cheers,
>
>-- Alan
>
>

Anyone have examples of writing custom ICE attributes via the SDK?

[Alan Fregtman]

Hey guys,

So I called the AddICEAttribute() method, and on its returned attribute I
can't seem to set its .DataArray property with a simple list of integers.
It logs this:

*# WARNING : 3392 - Invalid offset specified while extracting data from
this attribute: *
*# *

...but I'm not extracting anything! I'm trying to SET the data.

Is there a secret trick to it? I'm trying to use Python.

Thanks in advance.
Cheers,

   -- Alan

Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Emilio Hernandez]

Well is about us then, showing those AD animals throught softimage.tv that
Softimage is alive and kicking.  And that Softimage is by far better than
Maya and 3DMax even that now is in Asia with whatever Devs are there.

I wonder what the studios using Softimage said about this.  I can guess
that many unhappy faces showed up in that meeting if this is true, and
strong and loud voices raised up against this.

In my case if they(AD)  want me to start using Maya, they will need to rip
off Maya and bring Softimage into it.

So again.  I will keep contribuiting to softimage.tv  no matter what.

Cheers.




2013/9/10 Martin Contel 

> +1
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Octavian Ureche  wrote:
>
>> To be honest, i'd like to know more about what has been said at that
>> meeting.
>> Maybe someone could pop another thread up.
>>
>> I believe this stuff pretty much affects everyone that uses this
>> application.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Cristobal Infante wrote:
>>
>>> Can we please keep this thread about positive things coming out of
>>> softimage.
>>> If you would you like to vent your anger towards Autodesk please do it
>>> on another thread, there are plenty already out there.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 September 2013 10:47, Mario Domingos wrote:
>>>
 ...
 —
 Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Jankovic <
 mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com> wrote:

> and after all of this...
>
>
> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi
> and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
> develop mainly for games*
> *
> *
> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
> guess... and nothing new really but...
> ty AD.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>
>> Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at
>> once (we'll add that asap).
>> For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it (
>> http://softimage.tv/?s=.)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin > > wrote:
>>
>>> Nice !
>>> Thank you ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jeremie,
 Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete
 list (sorted by date).
 We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so
 suggestions are always welcome :)

 Cheers!

>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Octavian Ureche
>>  +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2)
>>  Animation & Visual Effects
>>   www.okto.ro
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Martin Contel
> Square Enix Visual Works
>



--

Re: Übertage travel?

[Leonard Koch]

There are really cheap hotels in Siegen.
When I looked into it last year I found some for less than 30€ a night.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Octavian Ureche  wrote:

> Heya,
>
> I am currently pondering over train / airplane / motorcycle. Haven't made
> up my mind yet.
> Will probably leave motorcycle out cuz it's a 4000 km round trip from
> bucharest to siegen.
> And i have knobbies on :)
>
> What i find odd though, is that i can't find any hostels in siegen...only
> hotels.
> Bugdetplaces.com doesn't even recognize the city.
> And the nearest city for the low cost carriers is Dortmund.
> Will look into trains later today.
>
> Cheers,
> Octav
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Schoenberger  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am planing my trip to Übertage (and then a week NRW).
>>
>> To just to check:
>> Is anyone driving from Düsseldorf/Neuss?
>> As we probably go to drink some in the evening and the last train takes
>> 3h.
>> Otherwise, I will get a hotel for two nights and drive myself
>> Stuttgart->Siegen and Siegen->Neuss and have some place left.
>>
>>
>>
>> Holger Schoenberger
>> technical director
>> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Octavian Ureche
>  +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2)
>  Animation & Visual Effects
>   www.okto.ro
>

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Graham Bell]

Erm, I'm not sure where that 'source' has come from, but I think some wires 
might have been crossed about what was said at this meeting
There was a meeting in London with Softimage customers, back in June. It was 
somewhat hastily arranged (but don't read anything into that). The meeting was 
not to go into details about roadmaps and future development, but more to get 
some direct feedback from customers. Chris Bradshaw (head of M&E) and Stig 
Grueman (head of M&E WWsales) were present at that meeting.

As for the lack of Softimage rental, it's a shame Softimage didn't make the 
list, but I understand the reasoning for this.
When you look at the whole Autodesk folio, only a relative small bunch of 
products have rental options right now, so it's early days I think. Personally 
I would like to see more of our products (including Softimage) start to offer a 
rental option, but I don't honestly know if/when this will happen.

G


From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: 10 September 2013 14:10
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there 
some that will say for crying out loud or similar...

autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they 
arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all 
development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games

>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and 
>nothing new really but...
In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and 
honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your 
logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.  
Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay 
out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. 
However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are 
currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental 
options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of 
Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that 
will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on 
the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are 
now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from 
Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear  
then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our 
observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate 
whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far 
are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the 
mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company 
the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by 
your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to 
be filled and expectations that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel 
[maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older 
versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still 
we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for 
flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain 
extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We 
continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version 
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are 
somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. 
Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. 
We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand 
that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an 
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the 
latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the 
license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new 
release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until 
the 

Re: something broken in syflex ice?

[David Barosin]

I had a similar problem with the length parameter on the syflexISpring node
not working.  I'm guessing it happened with the introduction of weightmaps
for syflex.

I submitted a bug report but you may want to add this one to the list.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Andi Farhall  wrote:

> 2 point springs appear to broken in 2014sp2/linux. Just to double check, i
> loaded the sample scene that demonstrates the 2 point spring, and there's
> nothing going on. I'll have a butchers at the win7 version later.
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Andi.
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something broken in syflex ice?

[Andi Farhall]

2 point springs appear to broken in 2014sp2/linux. Just to double check, i 
loaded the sample scene that demonstrates the 2 point spring, and there's 
nothing going on. I'll have a butchers at the win7 version later.


cheers,

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Re: Rant: Caching tools still suck

[Vincent Fortin]

The best way I've found to work around the custom attribute issue is to lay
down a Log Value node with "Log" actually turned off. I find the usual
"Attribute Display" trick unreliable especially in batch mode.

I always use the CacheObjectsIntoFile method (aka Cache Manage). Frankly
for an "out of the box" tool I wouldn't say the Cache Manager sucks. Do you
have any particular issues other than the custom attribute caching bug?

What really drives me nuts is the total unreliability of the mixer when it
comes to reading icecaches. I have noticed many scenarios where attributes
simply vanish for no reason. Only way to bring them back is to clear the
Source path and paste it back in. Using the mixer for caches is a great
feature IMHO, too bad it's so unreliable :-(


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote:

> You're welcome. :)
>
> http://exocortex.com/products/**crate
>
>

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Angus Davidson]

Daniel is very correct. Even if Soft is one day EOL it continues to be very 
valuable to AD$K



From: Daniel Brassard [dbrassar...@gmail.com]
Sent: 10 September 2013 05:35 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move buying 
Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features in other 
apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I don't think AD 
will let that go.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> 
wrote:
couldn’t agree more with your analysis Matt.

I don’t think AD is reading the situation very well – but who knows... a lot of 
men-in-suit’s necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer necessity they 
might come up with something - and if they hurry it might still make a 
difference. Or not.




From: Matt Lind
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?

Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation very 
well.

To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing there 
aren’t as many customers when summer ends.  However, instead of reducing prices 
to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re jacking the price 
up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic.

If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate for 
the times, perhaps something other than lemonade.

Matt




From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other vendor) 
to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them to generate 
revenue.
Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps rentals 
can compensate somewhat?

Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or 
selling/licensing parts of software,...



From: Angus Davidson
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?

Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me 
in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I 
have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older 
version.

One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.


From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl]
Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
not seeing Softimage on that list


Rob



\/-\/\/
On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote:
So are we going to be getting a rental option?

http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices



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Re: Rant: Caching tools still suck

[Eric Thivierge]

You're welcome. :)

http://exocortex.com/products/crate

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Daniel Brassard]

Quick question for Maurice, if you rent over time pass the two year mark,
can you then be provided the option to convert to a permanent license?


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Brassard wrote:

> The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move
> buying Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features
> in other apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I
> don't think AD will let that go.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:
>
>>   couldn’t agree more with your analysis Matt.
>>
>> I don’t think AD is reading the situation very well – but who knows... a
>> lot of men-in-suit’s necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer
>> necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might
>> still make a difference. Or not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Matt Lind 
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental?
>>
>>
>> Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation
>> very well.
>>
>> 
>>
>> To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing
>> there aren’t as many customers when summer ends.  However, instead of
>> reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re
>> jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic.
>>
>> 
>>
>> If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate
>> for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *pete...@skynet.be
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>>
>> 
>>
>> This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other
>> vendor) to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them
>> to generate revenue. 
>>
>> Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps
>> rentals can compensate somewhat?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or
>> selling/licensing parts of software,... 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* Angus Davidson  
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM
>>
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
>>
>> *Subject:* RE: Softimage Rental?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that
>> worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version
>> rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs
>> you to work on a older version. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.
>>
>>  
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl]
>> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 05:38 PM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>>
>> not seeing Softimage on that list
>>
>> 
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> 
>>
>> \/-\/\/
>>
>> On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote:
>>
>> So are we going to be getting a rental option?
>>
>> http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices
>>
>>
>>
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Rant: Caching tools still suck

[Eric Lampi]

Why is it that after all of these years, caching has to be a big bag of
pain-in-the-ass?

We have 3 different ways to do it and they all suck in one way or another.
The fact is, none of them are great or elegant. Trying to get them to write
out the damned custom attributes is bad enough and then sometimes they just
don't read-in at all.

Someone please tell me that there are some tools out there that make this
less of a pain to deal with.

This is like saving out a scene and you're never quite sure if your lights
are going to be saved with it.

Eric


Freelance 3D and VFX animator

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Re: Softimage Rental?

[Daniel Brassard]

Thanks Maurice.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Maurice Patel
wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> No. unfortunately there is no option to convert to a permanent license. It
> is not really designed as a lease-to-buy plan. Not saying that might not
> happen in the future but it is not what the plan is today.
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Brassard
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:37 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> Quick question for Maurice, if you rent over time pass the two year mark,
> can you then be provided the option to convert to a permanent license?
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Daniel Brassard  > wrote:
> The hidden value of Softimage is in it's patents. AD did a smart move
> buying Softimage from Avid. It allowed them freedom to implement features
> in other apps with less risk of infringement. Less so for a competitor. I
> don't think AD will let that go.
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM,  pete...@skynet.be>> wrote:
> couldn't agree more with your analysis Matt.
>
> I don't think AD is reading the situation very well - but who knows... a
> lot of men-in-suit's necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer
> necessity they might come up with something - and if they hurry it might
> still make a difference. Or not.
>
>
>
>
> From: Matt Lind
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >
> Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?
>
> Well, if they want to generate revenue they're not reading the situation
> very well.
>
> To use an analogy, they're running a lemonade stand and are realizing
> there aren't as many customers when summer ends.  However, instead of
> reducing prices to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they're
> jacking the price up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic.
>
> If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate
> for the times, perhaps something other than lemonade.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
> 
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other
> vendor) to accommodate your activities - it comes out of a need from them
> to generate revenue.
> Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining - so perhaps
> rentals can compensate somewhat?
>
> Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions - or
> selling/licensing parts of software,...
>
>
>
> From: Angus Davidson
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >
> Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?
>
> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that
> worries me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version
> rights. Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs
> you to work on a older version.
>
> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.
>
> 
> From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl]
> Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
> not seeing Softimage on that list
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> \/-\/\/
> On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote:
> So are we going to be getting a rental option?
>
> http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices
>
>
>
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Re: Softimage Rental?

[Mirko Jankovic]

What is there to understand?
Imay be lying but a friend told me about documentary or article about guy
that formed AD.. his only and only goal was Money alone. Nothing wrong
there but his philosophy is transferred through out AD as complete so there
is absolutely no room for nothing else than pure give me more money AD
thinks how to makes life easier for users? HAHAHAHHA

I had a dream... someone that knows SI really really well.. took basic idea
behind it, its strengths and most of all WORKFLOW and made new software
around that core with modern tools.. SI for new century not the one stuck
at date it was bought by monstrum.. heh.. keep dreaming...


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Martin  wrote:

> That report would make sense if AD would have released Softimage LT, but
> they released only MayaLT for the indie/mobile game industry.
>
> And if that report is true, then SI will be oriented to games only with a
> viewer that, if I didn't misunderstood Luc Eric explanation, it doesn't
> make much sense in that industry,
>
> And Maya, well, for everything. Including games.
>
> And this rental service isn't very appealing even if they would have
> include Softimage. The fact that you can only use 2014 make it useless for
> a lot of us that are obligated to use a subscription only to use a 3 years
> old software. Yeah, that doesn't make sense either. We need more options to
> buy, I don't understand why they make it so hard.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Luca wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but answering directily to "why Softimage is out the rental plan"
>> it's not that difficult to answer, I guess.
>>
>> And I don't think there is coherency in "...just for suitestesting
>> the waters with Max and Maya..." it doesn't make sense. It's obvious
>> Softimage is ignored.
>>
>> So.. WHY?...
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/10 Marc-Andre Carbonneau 
>>
>>> Well because then it would become competition again…
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic
>>> *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
>>>
>>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else
>>> that will actually develop it...
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson <
>>> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it
>>> is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for
>>> film/advert' any different than in the last few years?
>>>
>>> -Tim C.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>>>
>>> Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that
>>> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
>>> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
>>> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
>>> develop mainly for games*
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
>>> guess... and nothing new really but...
>>>
>>> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option
>>> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson <
>>> angus.david...@wits.ac.za> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Maurice
>>>
>>> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand
>>> your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up
>>> front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem
>>> as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future
>>> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining
>>> what you are currently doing either.
>>>
>>> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the
>>> rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body
>>> out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate
>>> and none of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users
>>> are getting sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to
>>> the point that people are now actively asking for ways to move their
>>> current active subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that
>>> there is a pretty serious problem.
>>>
>>> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
>>> disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are
>>> our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to
>>> differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion.
>>> The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.
>>>
>>> I rea

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Martin]

That report would make sense if AD would have released Softimage LT, but
they released only MayaLT for the indie/mobile game industry.

And if that report is true, then SI will be oriented to games only with a
viewer that, if I didn't misunderstood Luc Eric explanation, it doesn't
make much sense in that industry,

And Maya, well, for everything. Including games.

And this rental service isn't very appealing even if they would have
include Softimage. The fact that you can only use 2014 make it useless for
a lot of us that are obligated to use a subscription only to use a 3 years
old software. Yeah, that doesn't make sense either. We need more options to
buy, I don't understand why they make it so hard.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Luca  wrote:

> Yeah, but answering directily to "why Softimage is out the rental plan"
> it's not that difficult to answer, I guess.
>
> And I don't think there is coherency in "...just for suitestesting the
> waters with Max and Maya..." it doesn't make sense. It's obvious Softimage
> is ignored.
>
> So.. WHY?...
>
>
> 2013/9/10 Marc-Andre Carbonneau 
>
>> Well because then it would become competition again…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic
>> *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
>>
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else
>> that will actually develop it...
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson <
>> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote:
>>
>> If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it
>> is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for
>> film/advert' any different than in the last few years?
>>
>> -Tim C.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>>
>> Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that
>> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
>> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
>> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
>> develop mainly for games*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
>> guess... and nothing new really but...
>>
>> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option
>> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson <
>> angus.david...@wits.ac.za> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Maurice
>>
>> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand
>> your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up
>> front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem
>> as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future
>> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining
>> what you are currently doing either.
>>
>> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental
>> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side
>> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none
>> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
>> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point
>> that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active
>> subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a
>> pretty serious problem.
>>
>> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
>> disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are
>> our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to
>> differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion.
>> The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.
>>
>> I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on
>> the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a
>> company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first
>> place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap
>> that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed.
>>
>> Anyway thanks again
>>
>> Angus
>>
>> 
>> From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
>> Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
>>
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>>
>> Hi Angus,
>> You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on
>> older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into
>> account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people
>

Re: arrays yet again

[Alok Gandhi]

If you can work out array logics in your dreams then yes, it is indeed a sweet 
dream !

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-09-10, at 9:06 AM, Xavier  wrote:

> """I could make this array in my sleep with Perl. But….this is not Perl…."""
> 
> Is that anywhere close to a sweet dream?

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Tim Crowson]

But if they (AD) don't think they themselves can make money with it, is 
not wanting to sell it an acknowledgment that it really could be 
competition against them? Ironic. I mean, they've stated that Soft 
doesn't bring in much money for them, compared to the other DCCs. They 
clearly view it as less than competitive already, so what are they 
afraid of?  ;-)


-Tim



On 9/10/2013 9:15 AM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau wrote:


Well because then it would become competition again...

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko 
Jankovic

*Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?

If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else 
that will actually develop it...


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson 
> wrote:


If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it 
is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not 
developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years?


-Tim C.

On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:

Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter
that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar...

/autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi
and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert
side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia
and they will develop mainly for games/

From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
guess... and nothing new really but...

In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental
option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:

Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can
understand your logic, surely there should have been some
explanation of this up front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the
rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last
sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However
You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are
currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the
rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However
no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can
do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a
sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground
forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now
actively asking for ways to move their current active
subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there
is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we
have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres
very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what
happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same,
and we all know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to
us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't
have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled
correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness
people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and
expectations that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM

To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines
based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been
taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is
the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex
gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have
tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to
offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability
our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we
expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model
will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of
forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase
of

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Eugen Sares]

There was some technology transfer from Soft to Maya, also.
Too less to live, too much to die... a deadlock.

What I still hope for is that what's left of the development resources 
is invested as wisely as possible.
Best would be to improve extensibility, so it becomes easier for 3rd 
parties to do Autodesk's job.

Softimage is too precious and sophisticated to be ditched.



Am 10.09.2013 16:15, schrieb Marc-Andre Carbonneau:


Well because then it would become competition again...

*From:*softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko 
Jankovic

*Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
*Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?

If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else 
that will actually develop it...


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson 
> wrote:


If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it 
is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not 
developing for film/advert' any different than in the last few years?


-Tim C.

On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:

Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter
that there some that will say for crying out loud or similar...

/autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi
and said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert
side of things, now all development is from a small team in asia
and they will develop mainly for games/

From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
guess... and nothing new really but...

In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental
option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:

Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can
understand your logic, surely there should have been some
explanation of this up front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the
rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last
sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However
You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are
currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the
rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However
no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can
do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a
sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground
forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now
actively asking for ways to move their current active
subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there
is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we
have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres
very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what
happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same,
and we all know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to
us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't
have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled
correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness
people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and
expectations that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM

To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines
based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been
taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is
the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex
gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have
tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to
offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability
our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we
expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model
will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of
forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purcha

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Mirko Jankovic]

If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that
will actually develop it...


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson  wrote:

>  If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it
> is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for
> film/advert' any different than in the last few years?
>
> -Tim C.
>
>
> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>
> Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that
> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar...
>
>  *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
> develop mainly for games*
>  *
> *
> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess...
> and nothing new really but...
>  In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option
> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Maurice
>>
>> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand
>> your logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up
>> front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem
>> as you lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future
>> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining
>> what you are currently doing either.
>>
>> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental
>> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side
>> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none
>> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
>> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point
>> that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active
>> subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a
>> pretty serious problem.
>>
>> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
>> disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are
>> our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to
>> differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion.
>> The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.
>>
>> I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on
>> the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a
>> company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first
>> place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap
>> that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed.
>>
>> Anyway thanks again
>>
>> Angus
>>
>> 
>> From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
>> Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
>>  To: 
>> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>>
>> Hi Angus,
>> You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on
>> older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into
>> account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people
>> want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability
>> (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to
>> qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you
>> prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and
>> capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we
>> expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
>> somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be
>> gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards
>> compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker.
>> However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a
>> benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as
>> designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued
>> but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user
>> choses to upgrade
>>
>> (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be
>> read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at
>> any time)
>>
>> On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Luc-eric
>> >
>> > I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ
>> just to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people
>> making the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you
>> are not forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very
>> few folks will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because
>> it just h

Re: Softimage Rental?

[peter_b]

couldn’t agree more with your analysis Matt.

I don’t think AD is reading the situation very well – but who knows... a lot of 
men-in-suit’s necks must be on the line, so perhaps out of sheer necessity they 
might come up with something - and if they hurry it might still make a 
difference. Or not.




From: Matt Lind 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:01 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?

Well, if they want to generate revenue they’re not reading the situation very 
well.

 

To use an analogy, they’re running a lemonade stand and are realizing there 
aren’t as many customers when summer ends.  However, instead of reducing prices 
to encourage more customers to stop by for a drink, they’re jacking the price 
up to recoup the voids from lesser traffic.

 

If Autodesk wants more revenue they should develop something appropriate for 
the times, perhaps something other than lemonade.

 

Matt

 

 

 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:48 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

 

This does not come out of a need from Autodesk (or Adobe or any other vendor) 
to accommodate your activities – it comes out of a need from them to generate 
revenue. 

Surely they can see the number of new licenses declining – so perhaps rentals 
can compensate somewhat?

 

Next? licenses bundled with hardware or turnkey solutions – or 
selling/licensing parts of software,... 

 

 

 

From: Angus Davidson 

Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:17 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 

Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?

 

Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries me 
in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. Unless I 
have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work on a older 
version. 

 

One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.

 




From: Rob Wuijster [r...@casema.nl]
Sent: 09 September 2013 05:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

not seeing Softimage on that list



Rob \/-\/\/On 9-9-2013 17:18, Eric Thivierge wrote:

  So are we going to be getting a rental option? 

  http://www.autodesk.com/buy/us-prices 



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Re: Softimage Rental?

[Tim Crowson]

If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it 
is. I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing 
for film/advert' any different than in the last few years?


-Tim C.

On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that 
there some that will say for crying out loud or similar...


/autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and 
said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of 
things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will 
develop mainly for games/

/
/
From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I 
guess... and nothing new really but...
In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental 
option and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:


Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can
understand your logic, surely there should have been some
explanation of this up front.  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the
rental page. Part of the problem as you lay out in your last
sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. However
You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are
currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the
rental options(It could very well be a technical reason). However
no body out side of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can
do is speculate and none of that will ever be good. You know its a
sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on the Max underground
forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are now
actively asking for ways to move their current active
subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there
is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we
have are our observations and perceptions and currently theres
very little to differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what
happened to combustion. The steps so far are virtually the same,
and we all know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to
us on the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't
have to. In a company the size of Autodesk that should be handled
correctly in the first place by your marketing and awareness
people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to be filled and
expectations that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines
based on older versions. This is our expectation and this has been
taken into account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is
the way many people want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex
gives that kind of capability (to a certain extent) but you have
tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We continue to
offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability
our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we
expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model
will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of
forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase
of the latest version is a benefit even without prior version
support. Note the license model as designed does not entail forced
upgrade each time a new release is issued but is designed to allow
usage of the installed version until the user choses to upgrade

(usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to
be read as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change
its plans at any time)

On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson"
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:

> Hi Luc-eric
>
> I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating
the FAQ just to state that. However it shows just how far out of
touch the people making the decisions are. Even if your in the
very lucky position that you are not forced by some or other
constraint to use a specific version, very few folks will run the
latest and greatest on a commercial project becaus

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Luca!!!!]

Yeah, but answering directily to "why Softimage is out the rental plan"
it's not that difficult to answer, I guess.

And I don't think there is coherency in "...just for suitestesting the
waters with Max and Maya..." it doesn't make sense. It's obvious Softimage
is ignored.

So.. WHY?...


2013/9/10 Marc-Andre Carbonneau 

> Well because then it would become competition again…
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Mirko Jankovic
> *Sent:* 10 septembre 2013 10:09
>
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> ** **
>
> If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that
> will actually develop it...
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson <
> tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com> wrote:
>
> If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is.
> I mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for
> film/advert' any different than in the last few years?
>
> -Tim C.
>
> ** **
>
> On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
>
> Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that
> there some that will say for crying out loud or similar... 
>
> ** **
>
> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
> develop mainly for games*
>
> ** **
>
> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess...
> and nothing new really but...
>
> In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option
> and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Maurice
>
> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your
> logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.
>  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you
> lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future
> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining
> what you are currently doing either.
>
> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental
> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side
> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none
> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point
> that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active
> subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a
> pretty serious problem.
>
> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
> disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are
> our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to
> differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion.
> The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.
>
> I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on
> the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a
> company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first
> place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap
> that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed.
>
> Anyway thanks again
>
> Angus
>
> 
> From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
> Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
>
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> Hi Angus,
> You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on
> older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into
> account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people
> want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability
> (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to
> qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you
> prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and
> capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we
> expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
> somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be
> gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards
> compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker.
> However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a
> benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as
> designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued
> but is designed to al

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Marc-Andre Carbonneau]

Well because then it would become competition again...

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic
Sent: 10 septembre 2013 10:09
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

If they hate SI that much why they don't just give it to someone else that will 
actually develop it...

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tim Crowson 
mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com>> wrote:
If that report is true, it's a good thing that Soft is as mature as it is. I 
mean frankly, apart from ICE improvements, how is 'not developing for 
film/advert' any different than in the last few years?

-Tim C.

On 9/10/2013 8:10 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote:
Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that there 
some that will say for crying out loud or similar...

autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said they 
arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things, now all 
development is from a small team in asia and they will develop mainly for games

>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess... and 
>nothing new really but...
In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option and 
honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:
Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your 
logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.  
Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay 
out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. 
However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are 
currently doing either.

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental 
options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of 
Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that 
will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on 
the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are 
now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from 
Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear  
then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our 
observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate 
whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far 
are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the 
mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company 
the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by 
your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to 
be filled and expectations that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel 
[maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
To: mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older 
versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still 
we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for 
flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain 
extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We 
continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version 
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are 
somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. 
Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. 
We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand 
that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an 
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the 
latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the 
license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new 
release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until 
the user choses to upgrade

(usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a 
guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time)

On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" 
mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za>> wrote:

> Hi Luc-eric
>
> I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just 
> to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the pe

Übertage travel?

[Schoenberger]

Hi

I am planing my trip to Übertage (and then a week NRW).

To just to check:
Is anyone driving from Düsseldorf/Neuss?
As we probably go to drink some in the evening and the last train takes 3h.
Otherwise, I will get a hotel for two nights and drive myself  
Stuttgart->Siegen and Siegen->Neuss and have some place left.




Holger Schoenberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Angus,
Mostly this is not intentional. Rental is being launched only for Suites at 
this point which means standalone products like AutoCAD, Revit and Inventor are 
not available either. However, we are also in parallel testing the waters with 
Maya and 3ds Max but Autodesk is not rolling out Rental for all its standalone 
products at this time.
Maurice 

Maurice Patel
Autodesk : Tél:  514 954-7134

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:00 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Softimage Rental?

Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your 
logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.  
Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay 
out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. 
However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are 
currently doing either. 

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental 
options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of 
Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that 
will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on 
the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are 
now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from 
Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear  
then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our 
observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate 
whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far 
are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the 
mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company 
the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by 
your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to 
be filled and expectations that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older 
versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still 
we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for 
flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain 
extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We 
continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version 
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are 
somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. 
Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. 
We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand 
that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an 
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the 
latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the 
license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new 
release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until 
the user choses to upgrade

(usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a 
guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time)

On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson"  wrote:

> Hi Luc-eric
>
> I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just 
> to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making 
> the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not 
> forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very few folks 
> will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just 
> hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is just 
> too great.
>
> And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the 
> turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant the 
> additional risk.
>
> On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program. This 
> means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to be the 
> only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However thats only 
> going to last so long before the competition does likewise.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Angus
>
> _

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Mirko Jankovic]

Well as I posted on another thread and will do it again no matter that
there some that will say for crying out loud or similar...

*autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said
they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things,
now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop
mainly for games*
*
*
>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess...
and nothing new really but...
In any case there is pretty good reason why there is no SI rental option
and honestly it is lying to peoples face. simple as that.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Angus Davidson
wrote:

> Hi Maurice
>
> Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your
> logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.
>  Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you
> lay out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future
> developments. However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining
> what you are currently doing either.
>
> Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental
> options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side
> of Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none
> of that will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting
> sympathy on the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point
> that people are now actively asking for ways to move their current active
> subscriptions from Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a
> pretty serious problem.
>
> We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then
> disappear  then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are
> our observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to
> differentiate whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion.
> The steps so far are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.
>
> I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on
> the mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a
> company the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first
> place by your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap
> that needs to be filled and expectations that need to be managed.
>
> Anyway thanks again
>
> Angus
>
> 
> From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
> Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> Hi Angus,
> You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on
> older versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into
> account. Still we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people
> want to go for flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability
> (to a certain extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to
> qualify. We continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you
> prior version usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and
> capability our hans are somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we
> expect this to all evolve. Suffice it to say that we have to start
> somewhere and this is just the start. We expect that the model will be
> gradually integrated over time and inderstand that lack of forwards
> compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an adoption blocker.
> However there are usecases where rental purchase of the latest version is a
> benefit even without prior version support. Note the license model as
> designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new release is issued
> but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until the user
> choses to upgrade
>
> (usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read
> as a guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any
> time)
>
> On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Luc-eric
> >
> > I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ
> just to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people
> making the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you
> are not forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very
> few folks will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because
> it just hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug
> is just too great.
> >
> > And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the
> turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant
> the additional risk.
> >
> > On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program.
> This means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to
> be the only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However
> thats only going to last so long before the compe

RE: arrays yet again

[Xavier]

"""I could make this array in my sleep with Perl. But….this is not Perl…."""

Is that anywhere close to a sweet dream?

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Angus Davidson]

Hi Maurice

Firstly thanks for stepping up to the plate ;) While I can understand your 
logic, surely there should have been some explanation of this up front.  
Whether its in the FAQ, or on the rental page. Part of the problem as you lay 
out in your last sentence is that you cant talk about future developments. 
However You guys seem to be the Masters of not explaining what you are 
currently doing either. 

Very simple example of this is the exclusion of Softimage from the rental 
options(It could very well be a technical reason). However no body out side of 
Autodesk knows why and the only thing they can do is speculate and none of that 
will ever be good. You know its a sad day when SI users are getting sympathy on 
the Max underground forums. I mean when it gets to the point that people are 
now actively asking for ways to move their current active subscriptions from 
Max or Si to Maya you have to admit that there is a pretty serious problem.

We have more folks who are briefly in charge of Softimage and then disappear  
then Mae West had gentleman callers,. Right now all we have are our 
observations and perceptions and currently theres very little to differentiate 
whats happening to Softimage to what happened to combustion. The steps so far 
are virtually the same, and we all know how that ended.

I really do appreciate you taking to to come and explain things to us on the 
mailing list, however the bottom line is you shouldn't have to. In a company 
the size of Autodesk that should be handled correctly in the first place by 
your marketing and awareness people. There is a very big PR gap that needs to 
be filled and expectations that need to be managed.

Anyway thanks again

Angus


From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com]
Sent: 10 September 2013 12:42 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older 
versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still 
we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for 
flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain 
extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We 
continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version 
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are 
somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. 
Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. 
We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand 
that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an 
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the 
latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the 
license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new 
release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until 
the user choses to upgrade

(usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a 
guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time)

On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson"  wrote:

> Hi Luc-eric
>
> I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just 
> to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making 
> the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not 
> forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very few folks 
> will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just 
> hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is just 
> too great.
>
> And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the 
> turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant the 
> additional risk.
>
> On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program. This 
> means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to be the 
> only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However thats only 
> going to last so long before the competition does likewise.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Angus
>
> 
> From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [luceri...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 09 September 2013 08:28 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson
>  wrote:
>>
>> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries 
>> me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. 
>> Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to 
>> work on a older version.
>>
>> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.
>
> Presently, that's not technical possible anyway, as the older builds
> cannot deal with the new kind of licens

ICE deform by curve keeps breaking live link

[Morten Bartholdy]

When deforming geometry by curve in ICE I keep loosing the live link to the
curve, so the geometry doesn't change shape when the curve does. The geo is
still deformed like when I applied the deform by curve, only it does not
react to shape changes on the curve, which makes me think it might be an
ICE optimization issue. If I remove and reapply the deform by curve it goes
live again ,bu tapparently breaks the link after a while. I am at loss
regarding how to fix this, hoping I could animate the curve, but not quite
trusting it. BTW I have one more non sim ICE tree with some geometry
turbulence on the geo, apply the curve by curve last and then swap the
order of them to get the deformations right. The curve deform is still live
after this, but breaks later. I can't ppoint to any particular procedure
that breaks it though.

I hope this is something really simple, but need a nudge in the right
direction :)

Thanks!
Morten

Re: Seting Custom Attribute on object to control textures

[Ognjen Vukovic]

Sorry, Color_Map_Lookup node.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Ognjen Vukovic  wrote:

> Could you not just apply the texture through the  property>texture
> map>texture map on a per object basis.
> Assign one shader too all the objects and use a texture map lookup node,
> and use it to regulate the texture used in your shader on a per object
> basis.
>
> Ogi.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:57 AM, pingo van der brinkloev <
> xsil...@comxnet.dk> wrote:
>
>> And now it works. Really well!
>>
>> Carry on!
>>
>> On 10/09/2013, at 11.36, pingo van der brinkloev wrote:
>>
>> > Hey, thanks, but it doesn't matter what I call it. Still wont work.
>> >
>> > I really did read the docs.. Looks so easy.
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> > On 10/09/2013, at 11.19, Sandy Sutherland wrote:
>> >
>> >> I should think the Texture in Self.Texture is a reserved name - so you
>> should use something else - Self.SS_texture - and use that in the render
>> tree.
>> >>
>> >> S.
>> >>
>> >> On 2013/09/10 11:17 AM, pingo van der brinkloev wrote:
>> >>> This should be so simple.
>> >>>
>> >>> I need to create several packshots with only Material, but different
>> textures - so I only have to make corrections one place - Clients, pffh.
>> Anyway
>> >>>
>> >>> I create a custom attribute on my object by making an ICE Tree (under
>> modeling) with a Set Data node(Self.Texture)
>> >>>
>> >>> I connect an Integer to the Value 1 (and already here it fails)
>> >>>
>> >>> In my material I have a Color Multi Switch with all my textures
>> controlled by an Integer_Attribute, where I can select mu Texture attribute.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why wont this work?
>> >>>
>> >>> My problem is somehow setting the data. The Set Data node stays red
>> no matter what I do.
>> >>>
>> >>> What's the trick?
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers!
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Seting Custom Attribute on object to control textures

[Ognjen Vukovic]

Could you not just apply the texture through the  property>texture
map>texture map on a per object basis.
Assign one shader too all the objects and use a texture map lookup node,
and use it to regulate the texture used in your shader on a per object
basis.

Ogi.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:57 AM, pingo van der brinkloev <
xsil...@comxnet.dk> wrote:

> And now it works. Really well!
>
> Carry on!
>
> On 10/09/2013, at 11.36, pingo van der brinkloev wrote:
>
> > Hey, thanks, but it doesn't matter what I call it. Still wont work.
> >
> > I really did read the docs.. Looks so easy.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > On 10/09/2013, at 11.19, Sandy Sutherland wrote:
> >
> >> I should think the Texture in Self.Texture is a reserved name - so you
> should use something else - Self.SS_texture - and use that in the render
> tree.
> >>
> >> S.
> >>
> >> On 2013/09/10 11:17 AM, pingo van der brinkloev wrote:
> >>> This should be so simple.
> >>>
> >>> I need to create several packshots with only Material, but different
> textures - so I only have to make corrections one place - Clients, pffh.
> Anyway
> >>>
> >>> I create a custom attribute on my object by making an ICE Tree (under
> modeling) with a Set Data node(Self.Texture)
> >>>
> >>> I connect an Integer to the Value 1 (and already here it fails)
> >>>
> >>> In my material I have a Color Multi Switch with all my textures
> controlled by an Integer_Attribute, where I can select mu Texture attribute.
> >>>
> >>> Why wont this work?
> >>>
> >>> My problem is somehow setting the data. The Set Data node stays red no
> matter what I do.
> >>>
> >>> What's the trick?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Softimage Rental?

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Angus,
You are right about people wanting to maintain working pipelines based on older 
versions. This is our expectation and this has been taken into account. Still 
we have to start somewhere. Rental is the way many people want to go for 
flexibility. Today only e-flex gives that kind of capability (to a certain 
extent) but you have tp be a very large enterprise account to qualify. We 
continue to offer perpetual plus subscription which gives you prior version 
usage. Since we cannot talk aboutfuture releases and capability our hans are 
somewhat tied when it comes to talking abouthow we expect this to all evolve. 
Suffice it to say that we have to start somewhere and this is just the start. 
We expect that the model will be gradually integrated over time and inderstand 
that lack of forwards compatability for previous versions is 'currently' an 
adoption blocker. However there are usecases where rental purchase of the 
latest version is a benefit even without prior version support. Note the 
license model as designed does not entail forced upgrade each time a new 
release is issued but is designed to allow usage of the installed version until 
the user choses to upgrade 

(usual legal safe harbour applies in that none of this is meant to be read as a 
guarantee and Autodesk reserves the right to change its plans at any time)

On 2013-09-10, at 8:33 AM, "Angus Davidson"  wrote:

> Hi Luc-eric
> 
> I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just 
> to state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making 
> the decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not 
> forced by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very few folks 
> will run the latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just 
> hasn't been proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is just 
> too great.
> 
> And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the 
> turnaround on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant the 
> additional risk.
> 
> On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program. This 
> means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to be the 
> only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However thats only 
> going to last so long before the competition does likewise.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Angus
> 
> 
> From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [luceri...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 09 September 2013 08:28 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?
> 
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries 
>> me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. 
>> Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to 
>> work on a older version.
>> 
>> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.
> 
> Presently, that's not technical possible anyway, as the older builds
> cannot deal with the new kind of licensing implementation.  Only 2014
> SP1 and up can.
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Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Martin Contel]

+1


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Octavian Ureche  wrote:

> To be honest, i'd like to know more about what has been said at that
> meeting.
> Maybe someone could pop another thread up.
>
> I believe this stuff pretty much affects everyone that uses this
> application.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Cristobal Infante wrote:
>
>> Can we please keep this thread about positive things coming out of
>> softimage.
>> If you would you like to vent your anger towards Autodesk please do it on
>> another thread, there are plenty already out there.
>>
>>
>> On 10 September 2013 10:47, Mario Domingos wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> —
>>> Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Jankovic <
>>> mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 and after all of this...


 *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
 said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
 things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
 develop mainly for games*
 *
 *
 From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
 guess... and nothing new really but...
 ty AD.


 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez  wrote:

> Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at
> once (we'll add that asap).
> For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it (
> http://softimage.tv/?s=.)
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice !
>> Thank you ;-)
>>
>>
>> On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jeremie,
>>> Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete
>>> list (sorted by date).
>>> We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so
>>> suggestions are always welcome :)
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Octavian Ureche
>  +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2)
>  Animation & Visual Effects
>   www.okto.ro
>



-- 
Martin Contel
Square Enix Visual Works

Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Octavian Ureche]

To be honest, i'd like to know more about what has been said at that
meeting.
Maybe someone could pop another thread up.

I believe this stuff pretty much affects everyone that uses this
application.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Cristobal Infante wrote:

> Can we please keep this thread about positive things coming out of
> softimage.
> If you would you like to vent your anger towards Autodesk please do it on
> another thread, there are plenty already out there.
>
>
> On 10 September 2013 10:47, Mario Domingos wrote:
>
>> ...
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Jankovic <
>> mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> and after all of this...
>>>
>>>
>>> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
>>> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
>>> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
>>> develop mainly for games*
>>> *
>>> *
>>> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
>>> guess... and nothing new really but...
>>> ty AD.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>>>
 Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at once
 (we'll add that asap).
 For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it (
 http://softimage.tv/?s=.)


 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin 
 wrote:

> Nice !
> Thank you ;-)
>
>
> On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeremie,
>> Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete
>> list (sorted by date).
>> We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so
>> suggestions are always welcome :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>


-- 
Octavian Ureche
 +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2)
 Animation & Visual Effects
  www.okto.ro

Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Cristobal Infante]

Can we please keep this thread about positive things coming out of
softimage.
If you would you like to vent your anger towards Autodesk please do it on
another thread, there are plenty already out there.


On 10 September 2013 10:47, Mario Domingos  wrote:

> ...
> —
> Sent from Mailbox  for iPhone
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Jankovic <
> mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> and after all of this...
>>
>>
>> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and
>> said they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of
>> things, now all development is from a small team in asia and they will
>> develop mainly for games*
>> *
>> *
>> From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I
>> guess... and nothing new really but...
>> ty AD.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>>
>>> Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at once
>>> (we'll add that asap).
>>> For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it (
>>> http://softimage.tv/?s=.)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin wrote:
>>>
 Nice !
 Thank you ;-)


 On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez  wrote:

> Hi Jeremie,
> Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete
> list (sorted by date).
> We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so
> suggestions are always welcome :)
>
> Cheers!
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: Seting Custom Attribute on object to control textures

[pingo van der brinkloev]

And now it works. Really well!

Carry on!

On 10/09/2013, at 11.36, pingo van der brinkloev wrote:

> Hey, thanks, but it doesn't matter what I call it. Still wont work.
> 
> I really did read the docs.. Looks so easy.
> 
> ...
> 
> On 10/09/2013, at 11.19, Sandy Sutherland wrote:
> 
>> I should think the Texture in Self.Texture is a reserved name - so you 
>> should use something else - Self.SS_texture - and use that in the render 
>> tree.
>> 
>> S.
>> 
>> On 2013/09/10 11:17 AM, pingo van der brinkloev wrote:
>>> This should be so simple.
>>> 
>>> I need to create several packshots with only Material, but different 
>>> textures - so I only have to make corrections one place - Clients, pffh. 
>>> Anyway
>>> 
>>> I create a custom attribute on my object by making an ICE Tree (under 
>>> modeling) with a Set Data node(Self.Texture)
>>> 
>>> I connect an Integer to the Value 1 (and already here it fails)
>>> 
>>> In my material I have a Color Multi Switch with all my textures controlled 
>>> by an Integer_Attribute, where I can select mu Texture attribute.
>>> 
>>> Why wont this work?
>>> 
>>> My problem is somehow setting the data. The Set Data node stays red no 
>>> matter what I do.
>>> 
>>> What's the trick?
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>> 
> 
> 

Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Mario Domingos]

That's a shame... 

—
Sent from Mailbox for iPhone

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Jankovic
 wrote:

> and after all of this...
> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said
> they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things,
> now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop
> mainly for games*
> *
> *
>>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess...
> and nothing new really but...
> ty AD.
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>> Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at once
>> (we'll add that asap).
>> For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it (
>> http://softimage.tv/?s=.)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin wrote:
>>
>>> Nice !
>>> Thank you ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jeremie,
 Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete list
 (sorted by date).
 We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so
 suggestions are always welcome :)

 Cheers!

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Mario Domingos]

...

—
Sent from Mailbox for iPhone

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Mirko Jankovic
 wrote:

> and after all of this...
> *autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said
> they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things,
> now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop
> mainly for games*
> *
> *
>>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess...
> and nothing new really but...
> ty AD.
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>> Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at once
>> (we'll add that asap).
>> For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it (
>> http://softimage.tv/?s=.)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin wrote:
>>
>>> Nice !
>>> Thank you ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jeremie,
 Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete list
 (sorted by date).
 We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so
 suggestions are always welcome :)

 Cheers!

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: softimage.tv - Hello World!

[Mirko Jankovic]

and after all of this...


*autodesk had a meeting with all the studios in london who use xsi and said
they arent really going to develop it for the film/advert side of things,
now all development is from a small team in asia and they will develop
mainly for games*
*
*
>From a source... well someone here probably was on that meeting I guess...
and nothing new really but...
ty AD.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Cesar Saez  wrote:

> Ooops, actually there's no button to see absolutelly everything at once
> (we'll add that asap).
> For the moment, you can use a search (for ".") to do it (
> http://softimage.tv/?s=.)
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jeremie Passerin wrote:
>
>> Nice !
>> Thank you ;-)
>>
>>
>> On 6 September 2013 14:34, Cesar Saez  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jeremie,
>>> Pressing the "Gallery" button you should be able to see a complete list
>>> (sorted by date).
>>> We are still trying to improve the layout and tweaking the site, so
>>> suggestions are always welcome :)
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Seting Custom Attribute on object to control textures

[pingo van der brinkloev]

Hey, thanks, but it doesn't matter what I call it. Still wont work.

I really did read the docs.. Looks so easy.

...

On 10/09/2013, at 11.19, Sandy Sutherland wrote:

> I should think the Texture in Self.Texture is a reserved name - so you should 
> use something else - Self.SS_texture - and use that in the render tree.
> 
> S.
> 
> On 2013/09/10 11:17 AM, pingo van der brinkloev wrote:
>> This should be so simple.
>> 
>> I need to create several packshots with only Material, but different 
>> textures - so I only have to make corrections one place - Clients, pffh. 
>> Anyway
>> 
>> I create a custom attribute on my object by making an ICE Tree (under 
>> modeling) with a Set Data node(Self.Texture)
>> 
>> I connect an Integer to the Value 1 (and already here it fails)
>> 
>> In my material I have a Color Multi Switch with all my textures controlled 
>> by an Integer_Attribute, where I can select mu Texture attribute.
>> 
>> Why wont this work?
>> 
>> My problem is somehow setting the data. The Set Data node stays red no 
>> matter what I do.
>> 
>> What's the trick?
>> 
>> Cheers!
> 

Re: Seting Custom Attribute on object to control textures

[Sandy Sutherland]

I should think the Texture in Self.Texture is a reserved name - so you 
should use something else - Self.SS_texture - and use that in the render 
tree.


S.

On 2013/09/10 11:17 AM, pingo van der brinkloev wrote:

This should be so simple.

I need to create several packshots with only Material, but different textures - 
so I only have to make corrections one place - Clients, pffh. Anyway

I create a custom attribute on my object by making an ICE Tree (under modeling) 
with a Set Data node(Self.Texture)

I connect an Integer to the Value 1 (and already here it fails)

In my material I have a Color Multi Switch with all my textures controlled by 
an Integer_Attribute, where I can select mu Texture attribute.

Why wont this work?

My problem is somehow setting the data. The Set Data node stays red no matter 
what I do.

What's the trick?

Cheers!

Seting Custom Attribute on object to control textures

[pingo van der brinkloev]

This should be so simple.

I need to create several packshots with only Material, but different textures - 
so I only have to make corrections one place - Clients, pffh. Anyway

I create a custom attribute on my object by making an ICE Tree (under modeling) 
with a Set Data node(Self.Texture)

I connect an Integer to the Value 1 (and already here it fails)

In my material I have a Color Multi Switch with all my textures controlled by 
an Integer_Attribute, where I can select mu Texture attribute.

Why wont this work?

My problem is somehow setting the data. The Set Data node stays red no matter 
what I do.

What's the trick?

Cheers!

Re: uv broken on export

[Gerbrand Nel]

My problem is how softimage exports obj files.
I've tested exporting a mesh with nice uv's and re-importing it, without 
going into zbrush. its broken most of the time.
This seems to be fixed in 2014, but not everyone on the team has updated 
so I need to work around this problem.

My best solution is to edit my uvs with zbrush.
At least it seems like ZB understands how to export obj files
On 2013/09/09 10:28 PM, Chris Concepcion wrote:

Hi Gerbrand

Usually I get this problem from softimage to maya...It totally screws 
my UV's in maya.
But from softimage to Zbrush I use OBJ. Also when projecting are you 
using the "PROJECT ALL" in the subtool menu cause this one always 
works for me in the newest version of Zbrush.
I do not know the technique you are using to grab the detail so will 
be good to know that. Cause that is where it could break.
Also after Zbrush I guess you are going back to softimage right ? 
Cause that one should work fine.

Let us know how you go.

Chris C.

nanoconstrukt.com 




On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Gerbrand Nel > wrote:


Hey Guys and Girls.
I've done a search on broken uv's in the archive, and it seems
like I'm not the only one having this problem.
No solution though  :(
The problem is as follows:
I modelled an elephant in zbrush.
Imported the highress mesh into soft and re-modelled with proper
topology and uv's.
As soon as I export the model to go and grab the detail in zbrush,
The uvs on the one side of the model breaks.
Each face in a uv island is now separated into each own island.
Most faces are flipped, but the uv layout looks the same.
Anyone seen this and found a fix?
Thanks
Gerbrand




--
Chris Concepcion

nanoconstrukt.com 

Re: uv broken on export

[Gerbrand Nel]

Thanks Olivier!!
But it seems like they'll break again when I xport to zbrush from 2013.
Oh well. This forced me to learn how to edit uvs in zbrush :)
G
On 2013/09/09 03:23 PM, olivier jeannel wrote:
I understand your problem is in "the other way", but Orlando Esponda 
posted a quick fix for destroyed Uvs.

https://vimeo.com/groups/168156/videos/67783125


Le 09/09/2013 14:47, Gerbrand Nel a écrit :

I tried that.
nothing!!
2014 seems to be better, but not perfect.
I would export and re-import broken.
Close the scene, open and try again... fixed..
This is bloody annoying but I got it working so I'm moving right 
along :)

Thanks for the input!
G

BTW I still hate that google won't show me my own posts!

On 2013/09/09 02:16 PM, Toonafish wrote:

If you're using GOZ try export - import an Obj manually.

- Ronald

On 9/9/2013 11:40, Gerbrand Nel wrote:

Hey Guys and Girls.
I've done a search on broken uv's in the archive, and it seems like 
I'm not the only one having this problem.

No solution though  :(
The problem is as follows:
I modelled an elephant in zbrush.
Imported the highress mesh into soft and re-modelled with proper 
topology and uv's.
As soon as I export the model to go and grab the detail in zbrush, 
The uvs on the one side of the model breaks.

Each face in a uv island is now separated into each own island.
Most faces are flipped, but the uv layout looks the same.
Anyone seen this and found a fix?
Thanks
Gerbrand

RE: Softimage Rental?

[Angus Davidson]

Hi Luc-eric

I kinda suspected that was the case. It might be worth updating the FAQ just to 
state that. However it shows just how far out of touch the people making the 
decisions are. Even if your in the very lucky position that you are not forced 
by some or other constraint to use a specific version, very few folks will run 
the latest and greatest on a commercial project because it just hasn't been 
proven. The risk of running into a project halting bug is just too great.

And with the greatest respect to Chris and the rest of the team the turnaround 
on fixing those kinds of bugs just isnt fast enough to warrant the additional 
risk.

On the positive side South Africa is now included in the ARC program. This 
means we can apply for up to 125 seats for free. Educational seems to be the 
only AD$K division that has an actual policy and a plan. However thats only 
going to last so long before the competition does likewise.

Kind regards

Angus


From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [luceri...@gmail.com]
Sent: 09 September 2013 08:28 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Softimage Rental?

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Angus Davidson
 wrote:
>
> Apart from the glaring omission of SI from that list the things that worries 
> me in the FAQ is that rental options dont have previous version rights. 
> Unless I have read that incorrectly your SOL if your client needs you to work 
> on a older version.
>
> One wonders how much if any thought has gone into this at all.

Presently, that's not technical possible anyway, as the older builds
cannot deal with the new kind of licensing implementation.  Only 2014
SP1 and up can.
=
 

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