[freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own client and use it to get IP's to ban... However, the boss does not care about technical issues. Thanks for your help. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
I don't know about others, but I would not will to help you. 2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev alex.pyatt...@gmail.com I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own client and use it to get IP's to ban... However, the boss does not care about technical issues. Thanks for your help. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
Portscanning? I tried nmap on my node, but it can't identify the application. I don't know if other tools are able to. -ermanno 2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev alex.pyatt...@gmail.com: I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own client and use it to get IP's to ban... However, the boss does not care about technical issues. Thanks for your help. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
Hopefully the answer to Alex's question is: It can't be done. If he can detect freenet nodes on his network, you must assume that governments and the like can as well. I would rather we help Alex try (and hopefully fail) in detecting nodes on his private home network, than just ignore the fact that there are people out there (government, corporate or private) who will in fact try. And if we help Alex come up with a certain way of identifying nodes on his home network, hopefully Freenet can be improved, to fight this vulnerability. Cheers Søren On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:16 AM, bimbekbimbek...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about others, but I would not will to help you. 2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev alex.pyatt...@gmail.com I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own client and use it to get IP's to ban... However, the boss does not care about technical issues. Thanks for your help. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=) On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Søren Bredlund Caspersen soeren@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully the answer to Alex's question is: It can't be done. If he can detect freenet nodes on his network, you must assume that governments and the like can as well. I would rather we help Alex try (and hopefully fail) in detecting nodes on his private home network, than just ignore the fact that there are people out there (government, corporate or private) who will in fact try. And if we help Alex come up with a certain way of identifying nodes on his home network, hopefully Freenet can be improved, to fight this vulnerability. Cheers Søren On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:16 AM, bimbekbimbek...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about others, but I would not will to help you. 2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev alex.pyatt...@gmail.com I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own client and use it to get IP's to ban... However, the boss does not care about technical issues. Thanks for your help. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
Alex Pyattaev wrote: I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own client and use it to get IP's to ban... However, the boss does not care about technical issues. Thanks for your help. If you do detect any nodes, pleaser tell us because that would mean that Freenet must be fixed. thanks for your help. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
Alex Pyattaev wrote: Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=) What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users wont be that easy to catch. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor, you basically repeat my idea (about the harvester), so i will think about implementation. Statistics method is not an option, almost the same stats are shown for online games (especially real-time) that utilize UDP. almost constant, mostly symmetrical(not always, e.g. spring produces asymmetrical bursty traffic). I don't really think so. First, most online games are client-server, so at each particular moment in time, it's not very likely that a particular IP will be conversing with 15+ different game servers. Next, Freenet nodes have random UDP ports, which is also not very typical for online games. Regards, Victor Denisov. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFKjpYRx7AVSvyjsUARArRzAJ9s9s7c6QpB3yXX4laPHxFGa9ITUACg8B0P FC2PF6wN2RcpJNxnOP7qh0M= =pivm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
Luke771 wrote: Alex Pyattaev wrote: Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=) What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users wont be that easy to catch. He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: Luke771 wrote: Alex Pyattaev wrote: Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=) What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users wont be that easy to catch. He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of peers. See definition of peers. In a computing context, peers is as distinct from client/server etc. This is a silly argument, and any sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make it. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. Actually, darknet peers inside LAN are not violating ToS, because the inside-network traffic is not an issue. The actual problem is that a bunch of p2p users seeding and leeching from internet can consume every possible bit of channel available on the ISP's connection. That's why they are illegal. The traffic for each user is virtually unlimited, but if you do the math, you will see that without p2p you just can not consume even 2 mbit/s channel, and we provide 10 mbit/s. Thus, when the user is downloading something big from time to time - it works just nice. But when he fills up at list 5 mbit/s with 24/7 p2p exchange the traffic utilization is much bigger than it should be. I have proposed to the managers that we allow p2p for extra charge (or with limited QoS), but they have decided that it will not work out (all that piracy stuff is still an issue). Online gamers are not always client-server. I have stated spring as a typical random-server udp-based game (ta-spring.com), the Company Of heroes also works similarily - host is a random node, and all nodes are interconnected. Indeed, 24x7 active connections can be suspicious, so I hope you will counter this problem so that I don't bother setting up filter. I suggest breaking every single connection that lasts for more than 1 hour, if it is not unique, and then reconnecting after random delay. PS: fuck bosses, I run freenet node myself=) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com wrote: He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. Actually, darknet peers inside LAN are not violating ToS, because the inside-network traffic is not an issue. The actual problem is that a bunch of p2p users seeding and leeching from internet can consume every possible bit of channel available on the ISP's connection. That's why they are illegal. The traffic for each user is virtually unlimited, but if you do the math, you will see that without p2p you just can not consume even 2 mbit/s channel, and we provide 10 mbit/s. Thus, when the user is downloading something big from time to time - it works just nice. But when he fills up at list 5 mbit/s with 24/7 p2p exchange the traffic utilization is much bigger than it should be. I have proposed to the managers that we allow p2p for extra charge (or with limited QoS), but they have decided that it will not work out (all that piracy stuff is still an issue). Online gamers are not always client-server. I have stated spring as a typical random-server udp-based game (ta-spring.com), the Company Of heroes also works similarily - host is a random node, and all nodes are interconnected. Indeed, 24x7 active connections can be suspicious, so I hope you will counter this problem so that I don't bother setting up filter. I suggest breaking every single connection that lasts for more than 1 hour, if it is not unique, and then reconnecting after random delay. PS: fuck bosses, I run freenet node myself=) Last I checked, p2p wasn't illegal in any place I know of :) This sounds to me like you really just need better QoS for your users, not to block P2P. It's relatively easy to allocate bandwidth such that everyone gets their fair share, and those that use it *less* get priority over the short term. That means that p2p users can use up any excess bandwidth, but if someone else is just trying to browse the web it will go quickly. Piracy is not the point of Freenet; please don't assume anyone running Freenet is a pirate. You should consult a lawyer about your liability for piracy -- I suspect, however, that you aren't liable until you are notified of a *specific* problem. Also, have you tried just asking your users to set reasonable bandwidth limits? All p2p apps I know of, including Freenet, provide bandwidth limiting controls. Perhaps you should simply inform your users of the situation and what you consider a reasonable bw limit for p2p apps. Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
At 09:15 AM 8/21/2009, Evan Daniel wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Victor Denisovvdeni...@redline.ru wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luke771 wrote: What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users wont be that easy to catch. No, they'll be extremely easy to catch, along with their friends' IP addresses. Detect local darknet nodes via generic traffic analysis (how many people skype or play online games for 20+ hours a day with constant 80+ KB/sec traffic?) - Check local port used for conversations - find local nodes' darknet port - detect its darknet peers. Trivial. On the other hand, moving just one hop further in the darknet chain requires cooperation with the remote ISP, which is something everyone considers to be relatively difficult to achieve. Right now, the best defense for darknet nodes is that this sort of analysis is computationally expensive on a large network. For a small lan, it probably isn't, making even darknet relatively easy to catch. Freenet (or whatever) users could just route all of their traffic through a proxy via securely-encrypted VPN, such as XeroBank with OpenVPN. Although you'd still know that they were hogging bandwidth, you wouldn't have a clue what they were doing with it. = Jim Cook jimc...@panix.com ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
Evan Daniel wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: Luke771 wrote: Alex Pyattaev wrote: Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=) What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users wont be that easy to catch. He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of peers. See definition of peers. In a computing context, peers is as distinct from client/server etc. This is a silly argument, and any sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make it. Evan Daniel The issue with my university was that P2P applications do not let anybody control who connects to your computer. Each person has to be responsible for the connections being made to the machine. Clearly F2F network is *not* a subset of P2P under that light. So many users will (rightly) call you an idiot (since we were not discussing peers and friends, but P2P and F2F). - Volodya -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://www.freedomporn.org/Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:57:15PM +0100, VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: Evan Daniel wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: Luke771 wrote: Alex Pyattaev wrote: Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=) What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users wont be that easy to catch. He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of peers. See definition of peers. In a computing context, peers is as distinct from client/server etc. This is a silly argument, and any sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make it. Evan Daniel The issue with my university was that P2P applications do not let anybody control who connects to your computer. Each person has to be responsible for the connections being made to the machine. Clearly F2F network is *not* a subset of P2P under that light. So many users will (rightly) call you an idiot (since we were not discussing peers and friends, but P2P and F2F). - Volodya I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you. You control who your node connect with, but you *don't* control what goes through your node. You can control your friends, you cannot control friends of your friends. So we might consider that, _in the case of Freenet_, F2F is P2P, it's just extremely more difficult to censor. pgpDEVz813ugV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1229, 1230 and 1231
Please upgrade to 1231. Changelogs: 1229: - XML vulnerability warnings fixes. - Fix an NPE in plugins. - Minor internal stuff. 1230: - Detect the XML vulnerability on OS/X. Try to detect it on OpenJDK, maybe not very well. - Clarify an english string (Completed downloads to temporary space not directory). - Sync before closing the new peers file. Some wierd filesystems might need this and we're still getting reports of losing peers on power loss. - Minor internal stuff. 1231: - Increase the maximum peers limit and make it scale with your upstream bandwidth. 11 peers at 10KB/sec, 15 at 20KB/sec, 19 at 30KB/sec, 26 at 60KB/sec, 34 at 100KB/sec and 40 and 140KB/sec. Show the limit on the stats page. - Support BMPs in fproxy (from kurmi's Summer of Code project). - Slightly better (X)HTML support in fproxy. - When changing the store type (most notably when setting the store size in the first time wizard), don't stall for minutes or more preallocating the datastore - do it in the background. IMHO this was a serious problem for new users with a lot of disk space. - Internal changes to the web interface which will make it easier to implement WebDAV in plugins. Requires a new version of XMLSpider. - Persist overall total output/input bytes in the database. - Translation updates and minor english string fixes. - Some workarounds for cruft left in the database by old bugs or by GCJ. - Snoop callbacks for data and metadata, will allow easier listing of the files on a freesite, or make it easier to write things like KeyExplorer. - Saces' multi-container site insert code: many changes merged, still not enabled by default because it still leaks stuff in the database. - Can specify in FCP what compression codecs to use. - Internal and build fixes and more comments and javadocs. Thanks to: saces toad Tommy[D] Markus 3BUIb3S50i platy sdiz Artefact2 infinity0 juiceman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?
You know, I do think that freenet is a good idea. And in fact, until freenet users will consume too much traffic, i'm not going to ban them. Because i don't want to. In fact, right now 100.0% of major traffic consumers are using *other* P2P networks. Mostly torrents, some use mule DC, but they are much less pain - DC-like protocols never utilize 100% bandwidth due to long periods when noone is leeching from you. So the upload traffic is poorly utilized, and downloads are not so fast due to lack of seeders. So the major problem is torrent, which is extremely easy to detect and ban. And I like the idea. As of freenet, my interest is pure theory right now, since freenet users just don't bother be. On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Artefact2 artefa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:57:15PM +0100, VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: Evan Daniel wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: Luke771 wrote: Alex Pyattaev wrote: Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=) What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users wont be that easy to catch. He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running Freenet as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not violating that particular network's guidelines. Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of peers. See definition of peers. In a computing context, peers is as distinct from client/server etc. This is a silly argument, and any sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make it. Evan Daniel The issue with my university was that P2P applications do not let anybody control who connects to your computer. Each person has to be responsible for the connections being made to the machine. Clearly F2F network is *not* a subset of P2P under that light. So many users will (rightly) call you an idiot (since we were not discussing peers and friends, but P2P and F2F). - Volodya I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you. You control who your node connect with, but you *don't* control what goes through your node. You can control your friends, you cannot control friends of your friends. So we might consider that, _in the case of Freenet_, F2F is P2P, it's just extremely more difficult to censor. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7 build 1229, 1230 and 1231
Congrats :) On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Matthew Toselandt...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: Please upgrade to 1231. Changelogs: 1229: - XML vulnerability warnings fixes. - Fix an NPE in plugins. - Minor internal stuff. 1230: - Detect the XML vulnerability on OS/X. Try to detect it on OpenJDK, maybe not very well. - Clarify an english string (Completed downloads to temporary space not directory). Hmm. For consistency, I think it should be Completed fetches to temporary space. - Sync before closing the new peers file. Some wierd filesystems might need this and we're still getting reports of losing peers on power loss. - Minor internal stuff. 1231: - Increase the maximum peers limit and make it scale with your upstream bandwidth. 11 peers at 10KB/sec, 15 at 20KB/sec, 19 at 30KB/sec, 26 at 60KB/sec, 34 at 100KB/sec and 40 and 140KB/sec. Show the limit on the stats page. - Support BMPs in fproxy (from kurmi's Summer of Code project). - Slightly better (X)HTML support in fproxy. - When changing the store type (most notably when setting the store size in the first time wizard), don't stall for minutes or more preallocating the datastore - do it in the background. IMHO this was a serious problem for new users with a lot of disk space. - Internal changes to the web interface which will make it easier to implement WebDAV in plugins. Requires a new version of XMLSpider. - Persist overall total output/input bytes in the database. - Translation updates and minor english string fixes. - Some workarounds for cruft left in the database by old bugs or by GCJ. - Snoop callbacks for data and metadata, will allow easier listing of the files on a freesite, or make it easier to write things like KeyExplorer. - Saces' multi-container site insert code: many changes merged, still not enabled by default because it still leaks stuff in the database. - Can specify in FCP what compression codecs to use. - Internal and build fixes and more comments and javadocs. Thanks to: saces toad Tommy[D] Markus 3BUIb3S50i platy sdiz Artefact2 infinity0 juiceman ___ Devl mailing list d...@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7 build 1229, 1230 and 1231
1232 fixes a severe bug preventing startup on some nodes. Sorry, we did try to test it, but apparently messed up... On Friday 21 August 2009 18:11:43 Matthew Toseland wrote: Please upgrade to 1231. Changelogs: 1229: - XML vulnerability warnings fixes. - Fix an NPE in plugins. - Minor internal stuff. 1230: - Detect the XML vulnerability on OS/X. Try to detect it on OpenJDK, maybe not very well. - Clarify an english string (Completed downloads to temporary space not directory). - Sync before closing the new peers file. Some wierd filesystems might need this and we're still getting reports of losing peers on power loss. - Minor internal stuff. 1231: - Increase the maximum peers limit and make it scale with your upstream bandwidth. 11 peers at 10KB/sec, 15 at 20KB/sec, 19 at 30KB/sec, 26 at 60KB/sec, 34 at 100KB/sec and 40 and 140KB/sec. Show the limit on the stats page. - Support BMPs in fproxy (from kurmi's Summer of Code project). - Slightly better (X)HTML support in fproxy. - When changing the store type (most notably when setting the store size in the first time wizard), don't stall for minutes or more preallocating the datastore - do it in the background. IMHO this was a serious problem for new users with a lot of disk space. - Internal changes to the web interface which will make it easier to implement WebDAV in plugins. Requires a new version of XMLSpider. - Persist overall total output/input bytes in the database. - Translation updates and minor english string fixes. - Some workarounds for cruft left in the database by old bugs or by GCJ. - Snoop callbacks for data and metadata, will allow easier listing of the files on a freesite, or make it easier to write things like KeyExplorer. - Saces' multi-container site insert code: many changes merged, still not enabled by default because it still leaks stuff in the database. - Can specify in FCP what compression codecs to use. - Internal and build fixes and more comments and javadocs. Thanks to: saces toad Tommy[D] Markus 3BUIb3S50i platy sdiz Artefact2 infinity0 juiceman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] High cpu usage when starting build 1229
It appears that the problem only occurs in conjunction with FMS (0.3.41 at least). That is, freenet (I believe the problem started with 1229, and it's still here with 1232. I really should test 1228) will run normally -- and only after I launch FMS does it skyrocket to consume all available cpu power. Closing FMS doesn't alleviate the problem. Noticeable differences in Thread usage: FCP input handler (1) and FCP output handler (1) and possibly FailureTable offers executor (1) appear after FMS starts, and REMAIN even after I close FMS. My only fix is to restart the node :|. Smells like some kind of infinite loop in the FCP handlers? On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:47:27 -0400, Dennis Nezic wrote: Ever since updating to build 1229, my java-freenet process takes up far too much cpu time than it should -- nothing is in the global queue and I deleted my node.db4o. Advanced stats page shows 1 thread is running with priority 1, 26 with prio 5 (19 waiting), 57 with prio 7 (16 waiting). But which is that 1 culprit thread?: RequestSender: 36 (29.5%) RequestStarter$SenderThread: 17 (13.9%) Pooled thread awaiting work : 15 (12.3%) Network Interface Acceptor: 5 (4.1%) Finish CHK transfer: 4 (3.3%) BlockTransmitter: 3 (2.5%) BlockTransmitter:sendAsync: 2 (1.6%) FCP input handler: 2 (1.6%) FCP output handler: 2 (1.6%) UdpSocketHandler: 2 (1.6%) Announcement sender: 1 (0.8%) Background block encoder: 1 (0.8%) CHK Insert starter : 1 (0.8%) CHK Request starter : 1 (0.8%) Client database access thread: 1 (0.8%) Compression scheduler: 1 (0.8%) DNSRequester thread: 1 (0.8%) Datastore checker: 1 (0.8%) DestroyJavaVM: 1 (0.8%) Diffie-Hellman-Precalc: 1 (0.8%) FCP server: 1 (0.8%) FailureTable offers executor: 1 (0.8%) Finalizer: 1 (0.8%) HTTP socket handler: 1 (0.8%) IP address re-detector: 1 (0.8%) PacketSender thread: 1 (0.8%) Plug: 1 (0.8%) Reference Handler: 1 (0.8%) RequestHandler: 1 (0.8%) SSK Insert starter : 1 (0.8%) SSK Request starter : 1 (0.8%) Send throttled SSK data: 1 (0.8%) Signal Dispatcher: 1 (0.8%) SimpleToadletServer: 1 (0.8%) Store-CHK-cache-Cleaner: 1 (0.8%) Store-CHK-store-Cleaner: 1 (0.8%) Store-PUBKEY-cache-Cleaner: 1 (0.8%) Store-PUBKEY-store-Cleaner: 1 (0.8%) Store-SSK-cache-Cleaner: 1 (0.8%) Store-SSK-store-Cleaner: 1 (0.8%) SwapRequestSender: 1 (0.8%) Text mode client interface: 1 (0.8%) Wrapper-Control-Event-Monitor: 1 (0.8%) db4o WeakReference collector: 1 (0.8%) My total cpu usage remains at 100% for hours -- in other words, build 1229 is effectively useless here :\. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
