Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Daniel]

NoOp wrote:

On 04/16/2012 06:44 AM, Daniel wrote:

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:11.0)
Gecko/20120312 SeaMonkey/2.8

I've just expanded one of my UseNet servers and found that about 35 of
the 40-odd groups have one message posted to them (even some groups that
I haven't seen a real message posted to in over twelve months).


In that case, the filter to the news server instead of the individual
newsgroup. Click the 'Filters for: and select the news server. Then set
the filter. The filter will then apply to all newsgroups on that news
server.


Yes, NoOp, I typed in the next para that I had tried to set a 
server-wide filter!!




I suspected it was spam that had been cross-posted, so made a
server-wide filter looking for the e-mail subject and set it to mark it
as read.

I then ran the filter by clicking the "Run Now" button at the bottom of
the Message Filters screen, after selecting the server I had wanted that
filter to apply for...No change.

I then closed the "Message Filters" screen, re-selected it under Tools,
re-selected the server, "Run Now"no change.

With the UseNet server selected, the other two options, "Run Filers on
Folder" and "Run Filters on Message" are greyed out, so what am I doing
wrong??

Do server-wide filters work at all??



Yes. However the "Run Now" button only works on email messages, not with
nntp. When you set a 'new' filter for nntp it works with 'new' messages
only. In order refilter all of the previous nntp messages you'll need to
unsubscribe from the newsgroup&  then resubscribe. When the headers are
reloaded, the filters will apply.




O.K., I'll try to remember this the next time I'm about to get hit by spam!!

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[NoOp]

On 04/16/2012 06:44 AM, Daniel wrote:
> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:11.0) 
> Gecko/20120312 SeaMonkey/2.8
> 
> I've just expanded one of my UseNet servers and found that about 35 of 
> the 40-odd groups have one message posted to them (even some groups that 
> I haven't seen a real message posted to in over twelve months).

In that case, the filter to the news server instead of the individual
newsgroup. Click the 'Filters for: and select the news server. Then set
the filter. The filter will then apply to all newsgroups on that news
server.

> 
> I suspected it was spam that had been cross-posted, so made a 
> server-wide filter looking for the e-mail subject and set it to mark it 
> as read.
> 
> I then ran the filter by clicking the "Run Now" button at the bottom of 
> the Message Filters screen, after selecting the server I had wanted that
> filter to apply for...No change.
> 
> I then closed the "Message Filters" screen, re-selected it under Tools, 
> re-selected the server, "Run Now"no change.
> 
> With the UseNet server selected, the other two options, "Run Filers on 
> Folder" and "Run Filters on Message" are greyed out, so what am I doing 
> wrong??
> 
> Do server-wide filters work at all??
> 

Yes. However the "Run Now" button only works on email messages, not with
nntp. When you set a 'new' filter for nntp it works with 'new' messages
only. In order refilter all of the previous nntp messages you'll need to
unsubscribe from the newsgroup & then resubscribe. When the headers are
reloaded, the filters will apply.


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Filters not usable on newgroups

[Daniel]

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:11.0) 
Gecko/20120312 SeaMonkey/2.8


I've just expanded one of my UseNet servers and found that about 35 of 
the 40-odd groups have one message posted to them (even some groups that 
I haven't seen a real message posted to in over twelve months).


I suspected it was spam that had been cross-posted, so made a 
server-wide filter looking for the e-mail subject and set it to mark it 
as read.


I then ran the filter by clicking the "Run Now" button at the bottom of 
the Message Filters screen, after selecting the server I had wanted that

filter to apply for...No change.

I then closed the "Message Filters" screen, re-selected it under Tools, 
re-selected the server, "Run Now"no change.


With the UseNet server selected, the other two options, "Run Filers on 
Folder" and "Run Filters on Message" are greyed out, so what am I doing 
wrong??


Do server-wide filters work at all??

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[NoOp]

On 04/08/2012 01:02 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 04/07/2012 07:21 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> I never was able to get any sort of filter to work even Chris I
>>> suggestion. But fortunately Google had a problem come up where it lost
>>> its connection USENET for about a week. The people spreading the junk
>>> got tired when they discovered only they were reading. I was hoping it
>>> would stay broke for 30 years. but no such luck. I just have try
>>> creating filters  when it starts up next  time.
>>>
>>
>> I gave you the filters to use to get rid of that junk. You basically
>> only need the two I mentioned.
> 
> I tried them and they didn't help. I still have them set.
> 
> I didn't ignore your suggestions I have them set.  Its even possible 
> they were spoofing googlegroups figuring everyone would latch on to them.
> 
> I am always willing to try anything, if it will help.
> 

I just reset two filters for comp.sys.mac.apps:

1. Google groups:
Match all of the following
X-Complaints-To contains groups-ab...@google.com
Action: whatever suits you - I selected
Tag Message To Do
Mark As Read
(simply so that I could easily still see the offending posts)

2. Crosspost:
Match all of the following
Newsgroups contains ,
Action:
Mark as Flagged
Tag Message Later

Note: you can of course filter on a specific cross posted newsgroup(s)
such as 'alt.support.boy...'. or 'alt.politics...' etc instead of just
comma (,). Using just a comma wacks them all and you'll find guys like
Ant like to comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system - just tell him to
stop cross posting (it's pretty rude to do it for every post anyway), or
filter him in by setting a filter for comp.sys.mac.system with an action
of 'Stop Filter Execution'

I turned the Filter logging on, and I then subscribed to
comp.sys.mac.apps, downloaded 1500 headers & marked the others as read.
Click on Help when you are in the filter composition window & then read
the section on 'Tip: Message filters are applied one after another.' so
that you understand how to set the priorities.

Here are some samples from the filter (I've taken the liberty of
snipping some of the possibly offensive words, and also a portion of the
email address):

Applied filter "googlegroups" to message from NEMO
 - When George walked out at 03/26/2012
03:18:44 PM tagged

Applied filter "googlegroups" to message from NEMO
 - When George walked out at 03/26/2012
03:18:44 PM marked as read

Applied filter "Crosspost" to message from NEMO
 - When George walked out at 03/26/2012
03:18:44 PM flagged

Applied filter "Crosspost" to message from NEMO
> - When George walked out at 03/26/2012
03:18:44 PM tagged

Applied filter "Crosspost" to message from OMAR BLACK  -
Why All Good People Should Hate  at 03/26/2012 09:34:20 PM flagged

Applied filter "Crosspost" to message from OMAR BLACK  -
Why All Good People Should Hate  at 03/26/2012 09:34:20 PM tagged

Of course there are lots more, and I could have used 'Delete Message'
etc. Actually, 'Ignore the thread' and/or 'Ignore the subthread' are IMO
better choices. That way you won't see the thread/subthread at all, but
can turn ignored thread/subthreads back on to see a post that you may
have missed but want to now see/review.

My suggestion is that you turn off all filters that you currently have
for that newsgroup, set the two I've shown you plus the filter log, then
unsubscribe and resubscribe. Try just the flagged/tagged first so that
you can see what is being flagged/tagged. Then once you're happy, reset
for 'Ignore the thread' and/or 'Ignore the subthread'. Unsubscribe &
resubscribe again. Note: the reason for unsubscribing and resubscribing
is so that filters can work on older posts that you don't want to see.
Otherwise, they will only work on newly posted messages.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

NoOp wrote:

On 04/07/2012 07:21 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
...


I never was able to get any sort of filter to work even Chris I
suggestion. But fortunately Google had a problem come up where it lost
its connection USENET for about a week. The people spreading the junk
got tired when they discovered only they were reading. I was hoping it
would stay broke for 30 years. but no such luck. I just have try
creating filters  when it starts up next  time.



I gave you the filters to use to get rid of that junk. You basically
only need the two I mentioned.


I tried them and they didn't help. I still have them set.

I didn't ignore your suggestions I have them set.  Its even possible 
they were spoofing googlegroups figuring everyone would latch on to them.


I am always willing to try anything, if it will help.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[NoOp]

On 04/07/2012 07:21 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
...
> 
> I never was able to get any sort of filter to work even Chris I 
> suggestion. But fortunately Google had a problem come up where it lost 
> its connection USENET for about a week. The people spreading the junk 
> got tired when they discovered only they were reading. I was hoping it 
> would stay broke for 30 years. but no such luck. I just have try 
> creating filters  when it starts up next  time.
> 

I gave you the filters to use to get rid of that junk. You basically
only need the two I mentioned.
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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-26 9:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so
and so
does not exist.

I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.


Not all gg posts have a message id that ends with googlegroups.com. And
remember just because someone posts with a gmail address does not mean
they are using gg.

I also don't know why you set "Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com"
three times.

A common header in gg posts is X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com

So try a filter like this:
http://ilias.ca/screenshots/ggfilter.png



I tried 3 different Not at the same time,version just to see what works.

Every combination.

despite the different combinations, I haven't found a Combination that
will make
the stuff go away. I don't want it to even show up when I open the
newsgroups.


It occurs to me that you may not have the reader set to headers-only
mode, in which case I think it will fail. My guess is that this is
because whoever wrote the code didn't understand NNTP and the difference
between the DELETE and CANCEL actions. That's which when you delete a
message it tries to do a cancel and take it off every machine on Earth,
instead of removing it from your local storage and header info. I argued
that with developers about 1998, and decided no one is so sure in their
opinion as those who ignore the facts and RFC info.

Trying to do CANCEL (a) doesn't often work, and (b) would be like delete
trying to contact all cc recipients and destroy their copy as well.
Sorry, that pisses me off 15 years later...



I never was able to get any sort of filter to work even Chris I 
suggestion. But fortunately Google had a problem come up where it lost 
its connection USENET for about a week. The people spreading the junk 
got tired when they discovered only they were reading. I was hoping it 
would stay broke for 30 years. but no such luck. I just have try 
creating filters  when it starts up next  time.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Bill Davidsen]

Daniel wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy
reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to
delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so nice. :)
bj


As of SM 2.7.2 on Linux they seem to work, the posts are just not
indexed into the list of available postings in the heading frame. There
used to be a way to make an entire thread hidden after it was in the
index, but I can't find any info on how that used to work. It was not
with a filter, just a mark on the thread that kept it off the screen.

Anyway, filters do seem to work for me in ng.




Bill, are you speaking of Message->Mark->Thread as Read??

Actually no, that wasn't an option there the last time I cared, I was just using 
delete as the action. Which did a local delete, not a CANCEL globally.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-26 9:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so
does not exist.

I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.


Not all gg posts have a message id that ends with googlegroups.com. And
remember just because someone posts with a gmail address does not mean
they are using gg.

I also don't know why you set "Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com"
three times.

A common header in gg posts is X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com

So try a filter like this:
http://ilias.ca/screenshots/ggfilter.png



I tried 3 different Not at the same time,version just to see what works.

Every combination.

despite the different combinations, I haven't found a Combination that will make
the stuff go away. I don't want it to even show up when I open the newsgroups.

It occurs to me that you may not have the reader set to headers-only mode, in 
which case I think it will fail. My guess is that this is because whoever wrote 
the code didn't understand NNTP and the difference between the DELETE and CANCEL 
actions. That's which when you delete a message it tries to do a cancel and take 
it off every machine on Earth, instead of removing it from your local storage 
and header info. I argued that with developers about 1998, and decided no one is 
so sure in their opinion as those who ignore the facts and RFC info.


Trying to do CANCEL (a) doesn't often work, and (b) would be like delete trying 
to contact all cc recipients and destroy their copy as well. Sorry, that pisses 
me off 15 years later...


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

chicagofan wrote:


Why can't someone who knows how to filter crossposts, now, tell me how
to do it. Making a filter for "From", "Contains", "," . does not
work for me. What am I doing wrong?


Filtering on the wrong item.

You don't want to filter on "From" -- you want to filter on "Newsgroups".
You will have to use the Customize choice and add it. Then filter on your
comma.


I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

Your example above says "ends" three times, and I don't think that will ever 
look (did not look at the code, though) because a Message-ID ends in ">" which 
is part of the field, not a silly delimiter to make it easy to read.



I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so does
not exist.

I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.




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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Bill Davidsen]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 24/03/2012 22:41, Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the
world:

PhillipJones wrote:


   I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
might be some legit posting.


No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of nearly
all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so that is
not a good idea.

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/



I had a look at that... and at this page:

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

it's claimed that Thunderbird/Seamonkey is unable to filter on
Message-ID. That may be true on the default setup (I'm not sure, it has
been *so long* since I started a profile from scratch..) but it's not
completely true. First, it's possible to create custom headers as
explained here:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Filters

There are two ways to do news filtering (actual;ly NNTP protocol filtering). One 
is using the set of headers provided by the "overview" program, which includes 
only certain headers rather than all, and which can be used without downloading 
the article. The other is to download the article complete, and look at all 
headers and the body. I don't think Seamonkey does that.


This limits the headers to those in overview, which includes the Message-ID 
header. Note that other headers can be provided if the server is configured to 
do so, but assume most aren't. So you can filter on Message-ID, but AFAIK not 
totally arbitrary headers.



(I dimly remember having to do *something* to get that option to set up
custom headers. Maybe they are/used to be hidden by default, and I had
to change some about:config setting?)

And then, for even more options, there's FiltaQuilla:

http://mesquilla.com/extensions/filtaquilla/

Hope this helps, I spent about 20 years running news servers for major companies 
and ISPs, it was a fun time and great technical forum before porn took over.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Daniel]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy
reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to
delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so nice. :)
bj


As of SM 2.7.2 on Linux they seem to work, the posts are just not
indexed into the list of available postings in the heading frame. There
used to be a way to make an entire thread hidden after it was in the
index, but I can't find any info on how that used to work. It was not
with a filter, just a mark on the thread that kept it off the screen.

Anyway, filters do seem to work for me in ng.




Bill, are you speaking of Message->Mark->Thread as Read??

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj






I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read
the stuff.


SM has a bizarre understanding of "delete" IMHO. The delete operation
(from local availability) seem confused with "cancel," or remove from
all servers everywhere. And the messge filter DELETE action will do what
you want, remove it from your index and header pane.

The new group in question has calmed down of recent. not by attempts to 
filter.
But because Google quit the connection to USENET.   According some some 
on the newsgroup in question several people have notes has quit 
forwarding GoogleGroups to USENET either by design or something broke. 
My opinion I'd just as soon see it stay broke for next 30 years at least.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj






I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read the stuff.

SM has a bizarre understanding of "delete" IMHO. The delete operation (from 
local availability) seem confused with "cancel," or remove from all servers 
everywhere. And the messge filter DELETE action will do what you want, remove it 
from your index and header pane.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Bill Davidsen]

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message *filters* to
delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so nice. :)
bj


As of SM 2.7.2 on Linux they seem to work, the posts are just not indexed into 
the list of available postings in the heading frame. There used to be a way to 
make an entire thread hidden after it was in the index, but I can't find any 
info on how that used to work. It was not with a filter, just a mark on the 
thread that kept it off the screen.


Anyway, filters do seem to work for me in ng.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

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PhillipJones wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-26 9:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so
does not exist.

I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.


Not all gg posts have a message id that ends with googlegroups.com. And
remember just because someone posts with a gmail address does not mean
they are using gg.

I also don't know why you set "Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com"
three times.

A common header in gg posts is X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com

So try a filter like this:
http://ilias.ca/screenshots/ggfilter.png



I tried 3 different Not at the same time,version just to see what works.

Every combination.

despite the different combinations, I haven't found a Combination that
will make the stuff go away. I don't want it to even show up when I open
the newsgroups.



Then you have to use "Delete Message".  That's been working for me for 
years.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

PhillipJones wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-26 9:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so
does not exist.

I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.


Not all gg posts have a message id that ends with googlegroups.com. And
remember just because someone posts with a gmail address does not mean
they are using gg.

I also don't know why you set "Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com"
three times.

A common header in gg posts is X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com

So try a filter like this:
http://ilias.ca/screenshots/ggfilter.png


I'll try it.


I've set it up.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-26 9:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so
does not exist.

I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.


Not all gg posts have a message id that ends with googlegroups.com. And
remember just because someone posts with a gmail address does not mean
they are using gg.

I also don't know why you set "Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com"
three times.

A common header in gg posts is X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com

So try a filter like this:
http://ilias.ca/screenshots/ggfilter.png


I'll try it.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-26 9:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so
does not exist.

I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.


Not all gg posts have a message id that ends with googlegroups.com. And
remember just because someone posts with a gmail address does not mean
they are using gg.

I also don't know why you set "Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com"
three times.

A common header in gg posts is X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com

So try a filter like this:
http://ilias.ca/screenshots/ggfilter.png



I tried 3 different Not at the same time,version just to see what works.

Every combination.

despite the different combinations, I haven't found a Combination that 
will make the stuff go away. I don't want it to even show up when I open 
the newsgroups.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Rufus]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.


They work for me. Must be trouble is on your end.



They work for me too.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-26 9:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so
does not exist.

I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.


Not all gg posts have a message id that ends with googlegroups.com. And 
remember just because someone posts with a gmail address does not mean 
they are using gg.


I also don't know why you set "Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com" 
three times.


A common header in gg posts is X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com

So try a filter like this:
http://ilias.ca/screenshots/ggfilter.png

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

PhillipJones wrote:

> I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.

They work for me. Must be trouble is on your end.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

chicagofan wrote:


Why can't someone who knows how to filter crossposts, now, tell me how
to do it.  Making a filter for "From", "Contains", "," . does not
work for me.  What am I doing wrong?


Filtering on the wrong item.

You don't want to filter on "From" -- you want to filter on "Newsgroups".
You will have to use the Customize choice and add it. Then filter on your
comma.


I've set up
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com
Message-ID *ends* with googlegroups.com


or *is*

or *contains*

and what happens to:

Delete
Mark As Read
ignore thread
ignore sub thread

Nothing happens

I even Set to show full headers and a message shows message-id so and so 
does not exist.


I am beginning to believe that Filters don't work on newsgroups.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[NoOp]

On 03/26/2012 11:14 AM, chicagofan wrote:
...
> 
> How do you stop cross-postings in newsgroups now?   Commas won't do it 
> for me.
> 
> I'm using SM 2.8.
> bj

Comma won't?

Applied filter "Crossposts" to message from The Starmaker
 - Whatever happened to Art Bell? at 03/25/2012
07:15:57 PM marked as read

Applied filter "Crossposts" to message from The Starmaker
 - Whatever happened to Art Bell? at 03/25/2012
07:15:57 PM flagged

Applied filter "Crossposts" to message from The Starmaker
 - Whatever happened to Art Bell? at 03/25/2012
07:15:57 PM tagged

The above message was flagged, tagged and marked as read.

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312
Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

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chicagofan wrote:

> Why can't someone who knows how to filter crossposts, now, tell me how
> to do it.  Making a filter for "From", "Contains", "," . does not
> work for me.  What am I doing wrong?

Filtering on the wrong item.

You don't want to filter on "From" -- you want to filter on "Newsgroups". 
You will have to use the Customize choice and add it. Then filter on your 
comma.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[chicagofan]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-26 2:14 PM, chicagofan wrote:

How do you stop cross-postings in newsgroups now? Commas won't do it for
me.

I'm using SM 2.8.



I think in a case like this, it would be very useful to actually see
what you're talking about. If you can create a screenshot (see
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-create-screenshot-my-problem>)
and upload it to an image hosting site like Flickr, Photobucket, or
Picasaweb, that you help everyone know what you're referring to.

And it would be better to start a new thread. Let's not let this turn
into a "post any questions you have about news filters" thread.




I wrote a new thread about this on 2/19/12 which was ignored, so I 
thought while this thread had some attention on the same subject... 
[i.e. newsgroup filters], I would try again.  :)


Why can't someone who knows how to filter crossposts, now, tell me how 
to do it.  Making a filter for "From", "Contains", "," . does not 
work for me.  What am I doing wrong?

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

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On 12-03-26 2:14 PM, chicagofan wrote:

How do you stop cross-postings in newsgroups now? Commas won't do it for
me.

I'm using SM 2.8.



I think in a case like this, it would be very useful to actually see 
what you're talking about. If you can create a screenshot (see 
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-create-screenshot-my-problem>) 
and upload it to an image hosting site like Flickr, Photobucket, or 
Picasaweb, that you help everyone know what you're referring to.


And it would be better to start a new thread. Let's not let this turn 
into a "post any questions you have about news filters" thread.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

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Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-25 12:07 AM, Rufus wrote:

It would be really nice to be able to filter on header information -
like Path or IP - to stop a particular bit of spam, but that would
require a new feature.


1. When creating a filter, click on the [Subject] drop-down, which
should list other headers to filter by.

2. The bottom item is called "Customize". Select 'Customize', which
should then ask you to enter a new header to add to the list.
"Path" is standard.
On this server, "NNTP-Posting-Host" contains the IP address.

3. Click [Add], then [OK].

The headers you've added should then be available in the [Subject]
drop-down menu.



How do you stop cross-postings in newsgroups now?   Commas won't do it 
for me.


I'm using SM 2.8.
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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

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Rufus wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
might be some legit posting.


No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of
nearly all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so
that is not a good idea.

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/


How would you phrase in filter. I have two Use net servers I subscribe
to, that are plagued with this problem.


Filter on the Message ID contains googlegroups, and Mark Read or Delete
or whatever you choose.



I created one main filter and then duplicated that file into other
server Accounts and other Profiles - even on other machines. Worked like
a charm. Then once those were in place I did have to go and do a bit of
editing specific to each server, but it saved me a *lot* of typing by
doing the file duplication/moves.

I just create the above in both servers and set them to  be Marked 
read,ignore thread and ignore sub thread.


That hopefully will take care of it.

Might have to do one from Yahoo groups although yahoo groups are tightly 
regulated I am a Moderator for one Yahoo group.  for a couple of years 
I've only had to mark a couple of items as spam and there immediately 
removed.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
might be some legit posting.


No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of
nearly all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so
that is not a good idea.

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/


How would you phrase in filter. I have two Use net servers I subscribe
to, that are plagued with this problem.


Filter on the Message ID contains googlegroups, and Mark Read or Delete
or whatever you choose.


Got It.

Thanks.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

MCBastos wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

   I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
might be some legit posting.


No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of
nearly all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so
that is not a good idea.

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/


I had a look at that... and at this page:

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

it's claimed that Thunderbird/Seamonkey is unable to filter on
Message-ID. That may be true on the default setup (I'm not sure, it has
been *so long* since I started a profile from scratch..) but it's not
completely true. First, it's possible to create custom headers as
explained here:


Those pages are not up to date. They were written by the late Blinky the
Shark (longtime Usenet guy who died young a few years ago), and archived
by someone else. Yes, Tbird/Seamonkey can now filter on Message ID, but
could not when Blinky wrote those pages. It's quite simple to do so now.

The pages are often recommended when someone complains of spam.



http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Filters

(I dimly remember having to do *something* to get that option to set up
custom headers. Maybe they are/used to be hidden by default, and I had
to change some about:config setting?)


There's a customize button in the filter dialog if I remember correctly.


 Okay now that I have found customize. How. what's the best method.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

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Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-25 12:07 AM, Rufus wrote:

It would be really nice to be able to filter on header information -
like Path or IP - to stop a particular bit of spam, but that would
require a new feature.


1. When creating a filter, click on the [Subject] drop-down, which
should list other headers to filter by.

2. The bottom item is called "Customize". Select 'Customize', which
should then ask you to enter a new header to add to the list.
"Path" is standard.
On this server, "NNTP-Posting-Host" contains the IP address.

3. Click [Add], then [OK].

The headers you've added should then be available in the [Subject]
drop-down menu.



I've never been able to get Customize to work - I'll try it now and see 
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On 12-03-25 12:07 AM, Rufus wrote:

It would be really nice to be able to filter on header information -
like Path or IP - to stop a particular bit of spam, but that would
require a new feature.


1. When creating a filter, click on the [Subject] drop-down, which 
should list other headers to filter by.


2. The bottom item is called "Customize". Select 'Customize', which 
should then ask you to enter a new header to add to the list.

"Path" is standard.
On this server, "NNTP-Posting-Host" contains the IP address.

3. Click [Add], then [OK].

The headers you've added should then be available in the [Subject] 
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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Rufus]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
might be some legit posting.


No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of
nearly all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so
that is not a good idea.

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/


How would you phrase in filter. I have two Use net servers I subscribe
to, that are plagued with this problem.


Filter on the Message ID contains googlegroups, and Mark Read or Delete
or whatever you choose.



I created one main filter and then duplicated that file into other 
server Accounts and other Profiles - even on other machines.  Worked 
like a charm.  Then once those were in place I did have to go and do a 
bit of editing specific to each server, but it saved me a *lot* of 
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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Rufus]

PhillipJones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Rufus wrote:


I use "Delete Message". And I never see the headers, nor the message
- I
can't open them because they simply don't show up.

I use the Log to track which ones are being deleted/ignored and tune my
filters if any of the keywords I use are deleting messages I actually
want to see.

I've been doing it this way for years (even now) and it works.




Same here, Rufus. I think he's using a Mac and I'm using a PC, but I'm
surprised that he says he doesn't have the option to "Delete Message" in
his filter list.

Regardless, he got the problem he was having solved by following Chris'
instructions. That's what matters. :)
bj




*I'm* using a Mac...so he should be able to do the same thing we're both
doing.

But at least there's more than one way to skin the cat...


I guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there might
be some legit posting.

The titles keep changing. Just have to get rid of it until they get bored.



Yes - that's how I maintain my filter keyword list (every dirty word or 
off-color short phrase I can think of...) - by looking over the Filter 
Log from time to time.  Sometimes I do trap the odd message I'd like to 
have seen and have to go back and revise my filter.  In general it seems 
to knock out the whole thread when it catches something on my list, but 
not always.  I filter mostly on Subject, but also on a few odd Senders.


It would be really nice to be able to filter on header information - 
like Path or IP - to stop a particular bit of spam, but that would 
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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

PhillipJones wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> PhillipJones wrote:
>>>I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
>>> might be some legit posting.
>>
>> No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of
>> nearly all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so
>> that is not a good idea.
>>
>> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>
> How would you phrase in filter. I have two Use net servers I subscribe
> to, that are plagued with this problem.

Filter on the Message ID contains googlegroups, and Mark Read or Delete 
or whatever you choose.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

MCBastos wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> PhillipJones wrote:
>>>   I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
>>> might be some legit posting.
>> 
>> No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of
>> nearly all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so
>> that is not a good idea.
>> 
>> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
>
> I had a look at that... and at this page:
> 
> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html
> 
> it's claimed that Thunderbird/Seamonkey is unable to filter on
> Message-ID. That may be true on the default setup (I'm not sure, it has
> been *so long* since I started a profile from scratch..) but it's not
> completely true. First, it's possible to create custom headers as
> explained here:

Those pages are not up to date. They were written by the late Blinky the 
Shark (longtime Usenet guy who died young a few years ago), and archived 
by someone else. Yes, Tbird/Seamonkey can now filter on Message ID, but 
could not when Blinky wrote those pages. It's quite simple to do so now.

The pages are often recommended when someone complains of spam.


> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Filters
> 
> (I dimly remember having to do *something* to get that option to set up
> custom headers. Maybe they are/used to be hidden by default, and I had
> to change some about:config setting?)

There's a customize button in the filter dialog if I remember correctly.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:


   I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
might be some legit posting.


No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of nearly
all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so that is
not a good idea.

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/



How would you phrase in filter. I have two Use net servers I subscribe 
to, that are plagued with this problem.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[MCBastos]

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world:
> PhillipJones wrote:
> 
>>   I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
>> might be some legit posting.
> 
> No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of nearly 
> all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so that is 
> not a good idea.
> 
> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
> 

I had a look at that... and at this page:

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

it's claimed that Thunderbird/Seamonkey is unable to filter on
Message-ID. That may be true on the default setup (I'm not sure, it has
been *so long* since I started a profile from scratch..) but it's not
completely true. First, it's possible to create custom headers as
explained here:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Filters

(I dimly remember having to do *something* to get that option to set up
custom headers. Maybe they are/used to be hidden by default, and I had
to change some about:config setting?)

And then, for even more options, there's FiltaQuilla:

http://mesquilla.com/extensions/filtaquilla/

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

PhillipJones wrote:

>   I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there
> might be some legit posting.

No, you should blacklist (filter out) Google Groups, the source of nearly 
all Usenet spam. Real people use Gmail and Yahoo addresses, so that is 
not a good idea.

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Rufus wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Rufus wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects
that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another
has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go
through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy
reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal
it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think
you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It
is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read
the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from
appearing in
YOUR newsgroup download. Why do you want to see them if they're
offensive... and you're not going to read them?
bj



That what I do - delete message. Why even bother downloading what you
want to filter anyway?



Newsgroups work different:
when subscribed to newsgroups all the headers are download. when you
open to read if you don't want to read either filter to mark header
read
before you even open the group. Or switch modes so you see only titles
mark everything you don't want to read then switch back to read. each
item you click on to read is then downloaded.



I use "Delete Message". And I never see the headers, nor the message - I
can't open them because they simply don't show up.

I use the Log to track which ones are being deleted/ignored and tune my
filters if any of the keywords I use are deleting messages I actually
want to see.

I've been doing it this way for years (even now) and it works.




Same here, Rufus. I think he's using a Mac and I'm using a PC, but I'm
surprised that he says he doesn't have the option to "Delete Message" in
his filter list.

Regardless, he got the problem he was having solved by following Chris'
instructions. That's what matters. :)
bj




*I'm* using a Mac...so he should be able to do the same thing we're both
doing.

But at least there's more than one way to skin the cat...

 I  guess I could blacklist gmail.com and yahoo.com problem is there 
might be some legit posting.


The titles keep changing. Just have to get rid of it until they get bored.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Rufus]

chicagofan wrote:

Rufus wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another
has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go
through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy
reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal
it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It
is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read
the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from
appearing in
YOUR newsgroup download. Why do you want to see them if they're
offensive... and you're not going to read them?
bj



That what I do - delete message. Why even bother downloading what you
want to filter anyway?



Newsgroups work different:
when subscribed to newsgroups all the headers are download. when you
open to read if you don't want to read either filter to mark header read
before you even open the group. Or switch modes so you see only titles
mark everything you don't want to read then switch back to read. each
item you click on to read is then downloaded.



I use "Delete Message". And I never see the headers, nor the message - I
can't open them because they simply don't show up.

I use the Log to track which ones are being deleted/ignored and tune my
filters if any of the keywords I use are deleting messages I actually
want to see.

I've been doing it this way for years (even now) and it works.




Same here, Rufus. I think he's using a Mac and I'm using a PC, but I'm
surprised that he says he doesn't have the option to "Delete Message" in
his filter list.

Regardless, he got the problem he was having solved by following Chris'
instructions. That's what matters. :)
bj




*I'm* using a Mac...so he should be able to do the same thing we're both 
doing.


But at least there's more than one way to skin the cat...

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[chicagofan]

Rufus wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go
through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy
reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal
it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read
the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from appearing in
YOUR newsgroup download. Why do you want to see them if they're
offensive... and you're not going to read them?
bj



That what I do - delete message. Why even bother downloading what you
want to filter anyway?



Newsgroups work different:
when subscribed to newsgroups all the headers are download. when you
open to read if you don't want to read either filter to mark header read
before you even open the group. Or switch modes so you see only titles
mark everything you don't want to read then switch back to read. each
item you click on to read is then downloaded.



I use "Delete Message". And I never see the headers, nor the message - I
can't open them because they simply don't show up.

I use the Log to track which ones are being deleted/ignored and tune my
filters if any of the keywords I use are deleting messages I actually
want to see.

I've been doing it this way for years (even now) and it works.




Same here, Rufus.  I think he's using a Mac and I'm using a PC, but I'm 
surprised that he says he doesn't have the option to "Delete Message" in 
his filter list.


Regardless, he got the problem he was having solved by following Chris' 
instructions.  That's what matters.  :)

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Rufus]

PhillipJones wrote:

Rufus wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy
reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal
it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read
the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from appearing in
YOUR newsgroup download. Why do you want to see them if they're
offensive... and you're not going to read them?
bj



That what I do - delete message. Why even bother downloading what you
want to filter anyway?



Newsgroups work different:
when subscribed to newsgroups all the headers are download. when you
open to read if you don't want to read either filter to mark header read
before you even open the group. Or switch modes so you see only titles
mark everything you don't want to read then switch back to read. each
item you click on to read is then downloaded.



I use "Delete Message".  And I never see the headers, nor the message - 
I can't open them because they simply don't show up.


I use the Log to track which ones are being deleted/ignored and tune my 
filters if any of the keywords I use are deleting messages I actually 
want to see.


I've been doing it this way for years (even now) and it works.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from appearing in
YOUR newsgroup download. Why do you want to see them if they're
offensive... and you're not going to read them?
bj





I don't want to see them. You can't delete Newsgroup post. (I would love
the ability to do) so next best thing is mark them read.

BTW I apparently have to Chris I. Changing from match exactly to match
any of the following appears to work.


 Sorry left out a word

BTW I apparently have to *thank* Chris I. Changing from match exactly to 
match any of the following appears to work.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Rufus wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from appearing in
YOUR newsgroup download. Why do you want to see them if they're
offensive... and you're not going to read them?
bj



That what I do - delete message. Why even bother downloading what you
want to filter anyway?



Newsgroups work different:
when subscribed to newsgroups all the headers are download. when you 
open to read if you don't want to read either filter to mark header read 
before you even open the group. Or switch modes so you see only titles 
mark everything you don't want to read then switch back to read. each 
item you click on to read is then downloaded.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from appearing in
YOUR newsgroup download. Why do you want to see them if they're
offensive... and you're not going to read them?
bj




I don't want to see them. You can't delete Newsgroup post. (I would love 
the ability to do) so next best thing is mark them read.


BTW I apparently have to  Chris I. Changing from match exactly to match 
any of the following appears to work.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[gertjan.vinkeste...@gmail.com]

PhillipJones schreef:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.




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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Rufus]

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I
don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs,
but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from appearing in
YOUR newsgroup download. Why do you want to see them if they're
offensive... and you're not going to read them?
bj



That what I do - delete message.  Why even bother downloading what you 
want to filter anyway?


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[GerardJan]

PhillipJones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 03/23/2012 04:05 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 03/23/2012 03:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.


Not so. I just subscribed to that newsgroup& before reading the
headers, I created a filter on your email address. I then clicked on the
newsgroup, loaded 500 headers& marked the others as read. A sample from
my filter log:

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from PhillipJones
 - Replying to your own message in Mail at
03/22/2012 07:09:09 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from PhillipJones
 - Why do most people dislike filthy faggots? at
03/22/2012 07:16:35 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from Phillip Jones
 - (offensive title removed) at 03/22/2012
08:39:47 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from Phillip Jones
 - Replying to your own message in Mail at
03/22/2012 10:21:37 AM tagged

Keep in mind that NG filters are applied and in effect _after_ you've
created the filter. There is no ability (that I'm aware) the 'Run Now'
in NG's as there is in emails.

Hint re your list spammer... an easy nuke to that one is to filter on:
X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com
(you can also send your complaints there as well)


Sorry forgot another hint - the offensive one also cross posts to
multiple groups:

Newsgroups:
comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.music.beatles,alt.support.boy-lovers,alt.sports.baseball.ny-yankees,alt.politics.homosexuality


It's quite easy to set up a crosspost filter:

Filtername: Crosspost
Match all of the following
Newsgroups contains ,
Yep, just filter on the comma.

Sounds interesting I might have to setup such a Filter.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[chicagofan]

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New
Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj



I'm not interested in deleting I mistyped. I just don't want to read the
stuff.



It's not actually deleting them... it just keeps them from appearing in 
YOUR newsgroup download.  Why do you want to see them if they're 
offensive... and you're not going to read them?

bj




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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

NoOp wrote:

On 03/23/2012 04:05 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 03/23/2012 03:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.


Not so. I just subscribed to that newsgroup&  before reading the
headers, I created a filter on your email address. I then clicked on the
newsgroup, loaded 500 headers&  marked the others as read. A sample from
my filter log:

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from PhillipJones
  - Replying to your own message in Mail at
03/22/2012 07:09:09 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from PhillipJones
  - Why do most people dislike filthy faggots? at
03/22/2012 07:16:35 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from Phillip Jones
  - (offensive title removed) at 03/22/2012
08:39:47 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from Phillip Jones
  - Replying to your own message in Mail at
03/22/2012 10:21:37 AM tagged

Keep in mind that NG filters are applied and in effect _after_ you've
created the filter. There is no ability (that I'm aware) the 'Run Now'
in NG's as there is in emails.

Hint re your list spammer... an easy nuke to that one is to filter on:
X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com
(you can also send your complaints there as well)


Sorry forgot another hint - the offensive one also cross posts to
multiple groups:

Newsgroups:
comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.music.beatles,alt.support.boy-lovers,alt.sports.baseball.ny-yankees,alt.politics.homosexuality

It's quite easy to set up a crosspost filter:

Filtername: Crosspost
Match all of the following
Newsgroups contains ,
Yep, just filter on the comma.

 Sounds interesting I might have to setup such a Filter.

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading
the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I
want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.

We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG message
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them. It is so
nice. :)
bj





I'm not interested in deleting  I mistyped. I just don't want to read 
the stuff.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.


I don't care that I remove it from server all I want to do is get to 
mark as read as soon as it downloaded so I don't have to read it.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-23 6:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


You have it set to "Match all of the following". It should be set to
"Match any of the following".


Okay I've set as you said we will see.  I'll thank you if it works

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Paul]

chicagofan wrote:

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through 
each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading 
the

group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I 
want to

do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've 
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.


We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG  message 
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them.   It is so 
nice.   :)

bj


Thanks! I will have to look at it in more detail
and maybe this time figure it out!
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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[NoOp]

On 03/23/2012 04:05 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 03/23/2012 03:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
>> chicagofan wrote:
>>> PhillipJones wrote:
 I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

 I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
 offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
 One more or less said "don't Bother me".

 The other did remove the messages like the should have.

 So decided to create filters to mark them read.

 They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
 removed the ability to filter news Groups.
> 
> Not so. I just subscribed to that newsgroup & before reading the
> headers, I created a filter on your email address. I then clicked on the
> newsgroup, loaded 500 headers & marked the others as read. A sample from
> my filter log:
> 
> Applied filter "Phillip" to message from PhillipJones
>  - Replying to your own message in Mail at
> 03/22/2012 07:09:09 AM tagged
> 
> Applied filter "Phillip" to message from PhillipJones
>  - Why do most people dislike filthy faggots? at
> 03/22/2012 07:16:35 AM tagged
> 
> Applied filter "Phillip" to message from Phillip Jones
>  - (offensive title removed) at 03/22/2012
> 08:39:47 AM tagged
> 
> Applied filter "Phillip" to message from Phillip Jones
>  - Replying to your own message in Mail at
> 03/22/2012 10:21:37 AM tagged
> 
> Keep in mind that NG filters are applied and in effect _after_ you've
> created the filter. There is no ability (that I'm aware) the 'Run Now'
> in NG's as there is in emails.
> 
> Hint re your list spammer... an easy nuke to that one is to filter on:
> X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com
> (you can also send your complaints there as well)

Sorry forgot another hint - the offensive one also cross posts to
multiple groups:

Newsgroups:
comp.sys.mac.apps,rec.music.beatles,alt.support.boy-lovers,alt.sports.baseball.ny-yankees,alt.politics.homosexuality

It's quite easy to set up a crosspost filter:

Filtername: Crosspost
Match all of the following
Newsgroups contains ,
Yep, just filter on the comma.
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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Rufus]

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



NG filtering is working for me, and in fact working a bit too 
well...it's deleting a few messages it shouldn't have, looking at the 
logs.  I'll have to see if I can track down why.


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[NoOp]

On 03/23/2012 03:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
> chicagofan wrote:
>> PhillipJones wrote:
>>> I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps
>>>
>>> I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
>>> offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
>>> One more or less said "don't Bother me".
>>>
>>> The other did remove the messages like the should have.
>>>
>>> So decided to create filters to mark them read.
>>>
>>> They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
>>> removed the ability to filter news Groups.

Not so. I just subscribed to that newsgroup & before reading the
headers, I created a filter on your email address. I then clicked on the
newsgroup, loaded 500 headers & marked the others as read. A sample from
my filter log:

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from PhillipJones
 - Replying to your own message in Mail at
03/22/2012 07:09:09 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from PhillipJones
 - Why do most people dislike filthy faggots? at
03/22/2012 07:16:35 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from Phillip Jones
 - (offensive title removed) at 03/22/2012
08:39:47 AM tagged

Applied filter "Phillip" to message from Phillip Jones
 - Replying to your own message in Mail at
03/22/2012 10:21:37 AM tagged

Keep in mind that NG filters are applied and in effect _after_ you've
created the filter. There is no ability (that I'm aware) the 'Run Now'
in NG's as there is in emails.

Hint re your list spammer... an easy nuke to that one is to filter on:
X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com
(you can also send your complaints there as well)
I've have this filter in place for a very long time (I delete them so I
never see them) & I set it for the entire news servers rather than just
the newsgroup. And some individual filters (again google/googlegroups)
Example from mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey:

Applied filter "Injection-Info: googlegroups.com" to message from
thurman jude  - Youngest Chicks Xxx || Younger
Pron Movies || Young  Videos at 02/20/2012 04:19:35 PM deleted

Applied filter "Injection-Info: googlegroups.com" to message from
thurman jude  - Nubile Underage Porn || Virgin
Porn Movies || Extreme Hentai Porn at 02/20/2012 04:20:01 PM deleted

Yes, I may miss some valid posts, but I prefer the quiet rather than the
spam.

>>>
>>> When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
>>> want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
>>> group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
>>> group.
>>>
>>> To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
>>> do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.
>>>
>>
>> Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
>> choose to delete them in the filter.
>> bj
>>
>>
>   This is what I get :
> http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ
> 

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[chicagofan]

Paul wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's. fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.



I have always had message filters for Newsgroups, and I think you've 
misunderstood about how "Delete Messages" is accomplished.


We can't do it in the newsgroups, but we can set our NG  message 
*filters* to delete them, so that we never have to see them.   It is so 
nice.   :)

bj





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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[chicagofan]

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ




Doesn't look much different from the Windows screen.   Have you clicked 
on the down arrow after "Ignore Threads"... to see what is available?


I have about 10 choices when I click the arrow after my choice of 
"Delete Messages".

bj




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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-23 6:01 PM, PhillipJones wrote:

This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


You have it set to "Match all of the following". It should be set to 
"Match any of the following".


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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[Paul]

PhillipJones wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



 This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ


afaik, NS/SM has never had NG filters up to 1119.
I don't know about 2+.
At any rate, I have never been able to find or use
such for NG's.  fyi- cannot del NG postings...
at least not easily and possibly not legally.
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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

chicagofan wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them? Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I
choose to delete them in the filter.
bj



 This is what I get :
http://www.screencast.com/t/wc08FQZZ

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Re: Filters not usable on newgroups

[chicagofan]

PhillipJones wrote:

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters for certain individual and subjects that
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers.
One more or less said "don't Bother me".

The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has
removed the ability to filter news Groups.

When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the
group.

To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now. All I want to
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.



Have you tried "deleting" them?   Filters work fine for me in ngs, but I 
choose to delete them in the filter.

bj


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Filters not usable on newgroups

[PhillipJones]

I've read a specific newsgroup Comp.sys.mac.apps

I've setup some filters  for certain individual and subjects that 
offensive. I turned the people sending into abuse for the New Servers. 
One more or less said "don't Bother me".


The other did remove the messages like the should have.

So decided to create filters to mark them read.

They don't work. Turns out that SeaMonkey sometime or another has 
removed the ability to filter news Groups.


When did this happen and why? Now spam and offensive material I don't 
want to read I can no longer mark as read. So I have to go through each 
group each topic, subtopic and mark read before I can enjoy reading the 
group.


To say I am steamed would be minimizing the way feel now.  All I want to 
do as mark them as read as soon as I go so I don't have to deal it.


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