Re: UTF-7 in SM-2.* for reading postings

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:
>Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> a discussion in de.test showed that postings in UTF-7 could be read
>> properly in current TBs but not in SM-2.53.1. Achim Peters pointed to
>> the bug in which the reading support for UTF-7 was reestablished in TB.
>> 
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1402813
>> 
>> It would be nice if SM could also benefit from that patch. :)
>
>If you promise to test it. But not today. There were a lot of changes in 
>jsmime between 56 and 61. I am not sure if it is only this one change. If it 
>is not a smooth sailing I will let you know.

Seems to work OK in my new SM-2.53. Thanks.

Hartmut
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Re: UTF-7 in SM-2.* for reading postings

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Greetings,

a discussion in de.test showed that postings in UTF-7 could be read
properly in current TBs but not in SM-2.53.1. Achim Peters pointed to
the bug in which the reading support for UTF-7 was reestablished in TB.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1402813

It would be nice if SM could also benefit from that patch. :)

Hartmut



If you promise to test it. But not today. There were a lot of changes in 
jsmime between 56 and 61. I am not sure if it is only this one change. If it 
is not a smooth sailing I will let you know.


FRG
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UTF-7 in SM-2.* for reading postings

[Hartmut Figge]

Greetings,

a discussion in de.test showed that postings in UTF-7 could be read
properly in current TBs but not in SM-2.53.1. Achim Peters pointed to
the bug in which the reading support for UTF-7 was reestablished in TB.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1402813

It would be nice if SM could also benefit from that patch. :)

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Re: Copying SM 2.X Mail Files

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-06-27 11:38 AM, Henrik37 wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-06-27 12:14 AM, Henrik37 wrote:

I want to move some SM 'inbox' and 'sent' mail files from a 32 bit
Win_XP PC to a 32 bit Win_7 PC.  My memory is that I can simply copy
these two files; rename them so they don't interfere with the 'inbox'
and 'sent' mail files already on the Win_7 machine and then merge the
two sets of mail files as I see fit.  Is (or was) this approach still
correct?


Yes. :)


Similarly, I would like to copy the 'bookmarks' and 'saved addresses'
files from the XP computer and move them to the Win_7 PC.  Having never
tried this in the past, what are the name(s) of the files I need to copy
from the XP computer's hard drive and how do I arrange things so I can
merge these files with the existing 'bookmarks' and 'saved addresses'
files already existing on the Win_7 machine.


Bookmarks are in places.sqlite.
Personal address book is in abook.mab.

For more info, visit
.


Thank you for so quick a response.  That is a terrific tutorial.

1) How do I differentiate between the existing 'places.sqlite' and
'abook.mab' files as I want to merge the existing files on the Win_7
with the ones I have copied from my XP machine?  Rename the files from
the XP computer 'places1.sqlite' and 'abook1.mab'?


_Bookmarks_
1. When using SeaMonkey with the original places.sqlite file, go to 
Bookmarks-->Manage_Bookmarks.
2. In the Bookmarks Manager, go to Tools-->Export_HTML to export your 
bookmarks to an HTML file.
3. Open SeaMonkey with the destination places.sqlite file, and open the 
Bookmarks Manager.

4. Go to Tools-->Import_HTML, and select the HTML file you saved in step 2.

_Address book_
1. Create a second address book called TEMP (or something like that). 
There should be a second MAB file created in your profile folder, named 
after that address book (e.g. TEMP.mab).
2. Rename or original address book abook.mab file to the filename 
SeaMonkey created in step 1.
3. Close SeaMonkey, and replace the second MAB file with the one you 
just renamed in step 2.



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Re: Copying SM 2.X Mail Files

[Henrik37]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2016-06-27 12:14 AM, Henrik37 wrote:

I want to move some SM 'inbox' and 'sent' mail files from a 32 bit
Win_XP PC to a 32 bit Win_7 PC.  My memory is that I can simply copy
these two files; rename them so they don't interfere with the 'inbox'
and 'sent' mail files already on the Win_7 machine and then merge the
two sets of mail files as I see fit.  Is (or was) this approach still
correct?


Yes. :)


Similarly, I would like to copy the 'bookmarks' and 'saved addresses'
files from the XP computer and move them to the Win_7 PC.  Having never
tried this in the past, what are the name(s) of the files I need to copy
from the XP computer's hard drive and how do I arrange things so I can
merge these files with the existing 'bookmarks' and 'saved addresses'
files already existing on the Win_7 machine.


Bookmarks are in places.sqlite.
Personal address book is in abook.mab.

For more info, visit .


Thank you for so quick a response.  That is a terrific tutorial.

1) How do I differentiate between the existing 'places.sqlite' and 
'abook.mab' files as I want to merge the existing files on the Win_7 
with the ones I have copied from my XP machine?  Rename the files from 
the XP computer 'places1.sqlite' and 'abook1.mab'?


2) Assuming the above approach will work, how do I then go about merging 
the two different bookmarks and personal address book files?


Thank you for your assistance in this regard.

Finally, you have been supporting Seamonkey (and its predecessors) for a 
very long time.  I can only thank you profusely for all the hours you 
devote and have devoted to this effort.  BRAVO!

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Re: Copying SM 2.X Mail Files

[Chris Ilias]

On 2016-06-27 12:14 AM, Henrik37 wrote:

I want to move some SM 'inbox' and 'sent' mail files from a 32 bit
Win_XP PC to a 32 bit Win_7 PC.  My memory is that I can simply copy
these two files; rename them so they don't interfere with the 'inbox'
and 'sent' mail files already on the Win_7 machine and then merge the
two sets of mail files as I see fit.  Is (or was) this approach still
correct?


Yes. :)


Similarly, I would like to copy the 'bookmarks' and 'saved addresses'
files from the XP computer and move them to the Win_7 PC.  Having never
tried this in the past, what are the name(s) of the files I need to copy
from the XP computer's hard drive and how do I arrange things so I can
merge these files with the existing 'bookmarks' and 'saved addresses'
files already existing on the Win_7 machine.


Bookmarks are in places.sqlite.
Personal address book is in abook.mab.

For more info, visit .

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Copying SM 2.X Mail Files

[Henrik37]

I want to move some SM 'inbox' and 'sent' mail files from a 32 bit 
Win_XP PC to a 32 bit Win_7 PC.  My memory is that I can simply copy 
these two files; rename them so they don't interfere with the 'inbox' 
and 'sent' mail files already on the Win_7 machine and then merge the 
two sets of mail files as I see fit.  Is (or was) this approach still 
correct?


Similarly, I would like to copy the 'bookmarks' and 'saved addresses' 
files from the XP computer and move them to the Win_7 PC.  Having never 
tried this in the past, what are the name(s) of the files I need to copy 
from the XP computer's hard drive and how do I arrange things so I can 
merge these files with the existing 'bookmarks' and 'saved addresses' 
files already existing on the Win_7 machine.


I would note that the XP machine's C:\ hard drive partition was damaged 
in a recent power surge incident and while I have tested that I am able 
to successfully copy files from the PC's D:\, E:\, and F:\ partitions, I 
am not at all certain that the XP machine can be restored to a fully 
operable working condition.


Thanks, in advance, for any and all comments, fixes, suggestions, etc.
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Close buttons on all tabs - Resolved for SM 2.xxx

[damiensteve23]

Hi all,

Forget about http://tom-cat.com... his dead... Looking further I found a 
russian site where you can download : SeaTabXPlus
I've got SeaMonkey 2.21 and work perfect. X button on each tab plus a + on 
its side on active tab that opens a new blank tab if need be.

Direct link to site :
http://forum.mozilla-russia.org/viewtopic.php?id=55506

Below the 2 pictures, click on : установить SeatabXPlus to add to seamonkey
I would advise you right click on link and choose save target as to save it 
to disk, just in case that web site goes dead one day. At least you'll have a 
copy on you hard drive if reinstall need be.

Direct link to xpi extension (copy past in adress bar):
http://forum.mozilla-russia.org/uploaded/SeatabXPlus.xpi

Good day to everyone.
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JS issue with Google maps/SM 2

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Can't get Google maps to respond -- it seems to load OK, but the moment 
I start typing an address, it says loading... and then stops.


Their help file says this (out of date?):

[begin quote]

If you are running Mozilla Firefox 0.8+ or Netscape 7.1+ on Windows or 
Mac OS X, follow these steps:


   1. Type about:config in the browser's address bar.
   2. Type image in the Filter field.
   3. Look for the field dom.disable_image_src_set and verify that the 
value is set to FALSE.
   4. Look for the field network.image.imageBehavior is set to 0 (the 
default setting). In some browsers, this setting may be named 
permissions.default.image.


If you continue to experience difficulties, you may want to uninstall 
any programs or extensions that change the way your browser handles 
JavaScript. Other users have reported that these programs may affect the 
ability to view the maps.


[end quote]

What do these options really do? More specifically, how would I be 
changing SeaMonkey's behavior generally and on other sites?


My settings are currently false and 1, respectively. For 
permissions.default.image, this is the default, despite their statement. 
This page seems to think 0 is not an option and 1 should allow all 
images:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Permissions.default.image

Thanks.

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Re: JS issue with Google maps/SM 2

[d...@kd4e.com]

What about MapQuest?

Same problem, or does it work OK?

Just wondering if the problem is unique to Google
maps or to online map resources in general.


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Re: JS issue with Google maps/SM 2

[Paul B. Gallagher]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:


What about MapQuest?

Same problem, or does it work OK?


Haven't used it in years, lemme check...

Works quickly and easily.


Just wondering if the problem is unique to Google
maps or to online map resources in general.


No, I can use Google's Basic HTML version, which shows the map in a 
little keyhole, but not the full-page version.


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Re: JS issue with Google maps/SM 2

[Robert Gault]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Can't get Google maps to respond -- it seems to load OK, but the moment
I start typing an address, it says loading... and then stops.


snip

I've found that Google maps will not respond to Search entries until the entire default 
download is finished. If you have broadband, that should not be a problem. On my dial-up 
connection, I can't get the site to respond for about 5+ minutes.


I have no special about:config setting and am using SeaMonkey 2.0.13.
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Re: JS issue with Google maps/SM 2

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Robert Gault wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Can't get Google maps to respond -- it seems to load OK, but the moment
I start typing an address, it says loading... and then stops.


 snip

I've found that Google maps will not respond to Search entries until the
entire default download is finished. If you have broadband, that should
not be a problem. On my dial-up connection, I can't get the site to
respond for about 5+ minutes.


That used to be true. Now, no matter how long I wait (and I do have a 
broadband connection, I can download about 25 MB per minute), it doesn't 
work. The status bar says Done before I enter the address, and the 
spinner isn't moving, either. Doesn't matter. The moment I start typing, 
the yellow shaded Loading... appears at top, and when I hit Enter or 
Search Maps, I get (in quick succession):

Looking up maps.google.com
Waiting for maps.google.com
Done
but the map is still the entire North American continent. The pan, zoom, 
and scroll controls are unresponsive.


I've tried disabling AdBlock Plus entirely (everywhere), but no joy. 
That's not it.



I have no special about:config setting and am using SeaMonkey 2.0.13.


Me, too.

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Re: JS issue with Google maps/SM 2

[Lemuel Johnson]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Can't get Google maps to respond -- it seems to load OK, but the moment
I start typing an address, it says loading... and then stops.


I can force similar behavior in 2.0.13 by unchecking Allow scripts to 
change images in Edit/Preferences/Advanced/ScriptsPlugins.

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Re: JS issue with Google maps/SM 2

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Lemuel Johnson wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Can't get Google maps to respond -- it seems to load OK, but the
moment I start typing an address, it says loading... and then
stops.


I can force similar behavior in 2.0.13 by unchecking Allow scripts
to change images in Edit/Preferences/Advanced/ScriptsPlugins.


Nice try, but it's already checked here.

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Re: Password locations in SM 2?

[Michael Gordon]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I inadvertently cleared all my passwords using the Privacy  Security
checkbox, but I have good backups and another machine with all the info.

Can I simply copy a file from there back into my existing installation?
If so, which file?

It would save me the trouble of rebuilding 40-50 passwords for all kinds
of sites, most of them nuisance logins, but also including POP and SMTP
passwords.

TIA


Yes, you can get the previous password file into your current SM.

Find your old profile path and look for the text file ##.s

Open your current profile and look for a file with numbers only and the 
extension .s
If you find a file with this extension rename the file ##OLD.s (No 
quotes) and write the file name down.


Paste the old copied file (##.s) into your new profile.

Now you wiil need to modify your current profile Prefs.js file to select 
the correct password file, the one with the .s extension.

scroll down to near the bottom of this file and look for the line:
user_pref(signon.SignonFileName, 2354585.s);
Copy this line and paste it at the end of the file, rename the file to 
###OLD.s
In the User_Pref containing the pasted line above change the number 
sequence to the numeric value you have pasted into your profile.


This all must be one with SM completely shut down.  When you relaunch SM 
check your password manager and you should see all your old passwords 
listed.


If you should make an error simply change the new modified file names to 
the previous file names without the OLD in the file name.  An alternate 
method is to create a text file named user.js and save it in your new 
profile, then paste the previous user_pref line at the bottom of this 
file.  When SM launces it will read the user.js file first and copy any 
new preferences into your profile Pref.js file.  If there is a problem 
launching SM you can simply remove the new line and SM will revert to 
the previous Prefs.js file.


Michael

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Re: Password locations in SM 2?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:


On 10-12-22 11:15 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I inadvertently cleared all my passwords using the Privacy  Security
checkbox, but I have good backups and another machine with all the info.

Can I simply copy a file from there back into my existing installation?
If so, which file?

It would save me the trouble of rebuilding 40-50 passwords for all kinds
of sites, most of them nuisance logins, but also including POP and SMTP
passwords.


There are two files:
signons.sqlite and key3.db

They can be found in your profile folder. See
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/profiles.


Beautiful, worked like a charm. Thanks much!

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Password locations in SM 2?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

I inadvertently cleared all my passwords using the Privacy  Security 
checkbox, but I have good backups and another machine with all the info.


Can I simply copy a file from there back into my existing installation? 
If so, which file?


It would save me the trouble of rebuilding 40-50 passwords for all kinds 
of sites, most of them nuisance logins, but also including POP and SMTP 
passwords.


TIA

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Re: Password locations in SM 2?

[Chris Ilias]

On 10-12-22 11:15 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I inadvertently cleared all my passwords using the Privacy  Security
checkbox, but I have good backups and another machine with all the info.

Can I simply copy a file from there back into my existing installation?
If so, which file?

It would save me the trouble of rebuilding 40-50 passwords for all kinds
of sites, most of them nuisance logins, but also including POP and SMTP
passwords.


There are two files:
signons.sqlite and key3.db

They can be found in your profile folder. See 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/profiles.


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Slow SM 2.x News Groups

[xxyyz]

XP/SP3, all updates; SM 1.1.19/2.0.0/2.0.4, no add-ons apart from 
standard plugins.


Compared to SM 1.x, SM 2.x news groups handling is very slow.
It seems to be related to anti-virus?  When MS Security Essentials is 
installed, Task Manager shows SM 2.x and MSSE alternately ramping up to 
100% CPU (while the other ramps down) even when all SM is doing is 
re-checking for new messages and even when there ARE no new messages. 
For the news.mozilla.org server (others are similar), this process takes 
(typically) 90 seconds (sometimes several minutes) to check 14 groups. 
With MSSE uninstalled (replaced by Avira), the process takes around 45 
seconds.  With SM 1.x, the process takes from 0.1 to 5 seconds, with no 
observable AV interaction.


Do others see this kind of behaviour?
Am I doing something wrong?
Is there anything I can do to change this?
Is this a known problem that may get fixed in future SM updates?
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Re: Quick Search changes in SM 2.x.

[Antman008]

I just read of some of the new changes that are being placed into 
Thunderbird 3.1 in relation to it's new search filtering capabilities. 
This functionality would appear to resolve the issue I had with the 
change in search that occurred with the transition from SeaMonkey 1.x to 
2.x.


Does anyone know if there are plans to implement these new search 
features into SM after the release of TB 3.1?


Thanks.

Antman008 wrote:

SM Community,

Seems like the Quick Search feature has changed in SM 2.x.

In SM 1.x, the quick search would find Search Subjects or Senders.
In SM 2.x, the quick search will find Subjects or Addresses.

In SM 1.1.x, if you were looking for an email from a specific person,
Quick Search was nice for giving you a short list of the emails from
that specific sender, but now in SM 2, you get a longer list of
everything they sent mixed in with everything they have been copied on;
essentially, everywhere their address appears. In many cases, it's a lot
of emails to fish through. I preferred the previous SM 1.x functionality.

Is there an option or a preference to allow me to use the Quick Search
with the SM 1.x functionality (w/o having to used the advanced search)?

Thx,
Antman.


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The answer to a number of SM 2 password problems ...

[Graham]

... appears to be Saved Password Editor from 
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/60265/


For one thing, it allows you to setup passwords to be entered 
automatically even on sites which break the usual ways defeating 
password saving restrictions.

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SM 2.x Newsgroups Behaviour

[xxyyz]

WinXP Home, SP3, all updates; SM 1.1.19, no add-ons apart from standard 
plugins (Default, QT, Acrobat, Flash, WMP, DRM).  Have installed SM 2.x 
twice (2.0.0 and 2.0.4), but have uninstalled because of NG behaviour 
(Browser and Mail are fine).  As far as possible, ALL settings in SM 2.x 
are the same as in SM 1.x.
1.  Very slow - seems to be related to anti-virus?  When MS Security 
Essentials is installed, Task Manager shows SM and MSSE alternately 
ramping up to 100% CPU (while the other ramps down) even when all SM is 
doing is re-checking for new messages and even when there ARE no new 
messages.  For the news.mozilla.org server (others are similar), this 
process takes (typically) 90 seconds (sometimes several minutes) to 
check 14 groups.  With MSSE uninstalled (replaced by Avira), the process 
takes around 45 seconds.  With SM 1.x, the process takes from 0.1 to 5 
seconds, with no observable AV interaction.
2.  Two servers I subscribe to (Albasani and Datemas) require sign-in; 
in SM 2.x, two sign-ins are required (only one in SM 1.x).

3.  The messages in the Status Bar (bottom right) do not compute:
3.1 There are no new messages on the server shows up before the server 
has been contacted, and goes away while the server is being checked - 
whether there are new messages or not.
3.2 SM 1.x shows, for example, Checking newsgroup N of 14 on 
news.mozilla.org for new messages (where N runs from 1 to 14); SM 2.x 
does not show this.
4.  The Progress Bar (bottom right) does not compute; it takes up to 30 
seconds for the space for the bar to show up, then after another 15 
seconds or so, the moving-to-and-fro partial bar appears.  The full bar, 
growing from left to right, never shows up at all.
5.  About 40% of the time, all the lists of newsgroups under each server 
are expanded when I first click on the Mail  Newsgroups icon; I always 
close them before I exit SM.


Is there anything I can do to change any of this?  Is any of the above a 
known problem that may get fixed in future SM updates?

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Bill Davidsen]

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Martin F. wrote:

Jeffrey Needle schrieb:

I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look. It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe you want to try and use Seamonkeys built-in Mail-part for gmail
then? (and any other email-provider you might be using)
It's kinda similar in usage concerning folders etc.

Window = MailNewsgroups or press Ctrl+2
Create a new account with the new account wizard using this data:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=13287
And don't forget to make sure that POP or IMAP is enabled in your google
mail account.

For IMAP instead of POP3:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=78799
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=78892

I guess it's easier for you to setup POP, but IMAP offers you to have
all mails synchronized in SM and in the webmail interface at any time,
so decide what you need/prefer. :-)
regards

Martin


Yes, I use SM's mail client for my gmail account.  I was looking for a 
way to read my gmail on the server and not download anything.  I hate 
gmail's native interface.


So use IMAP and choose leave mail on server until I move or delete it. To read 
it you have to download it, your choices are POP, IMAP, or HTML. But you don't 
have to keep it, allowing you to read from several machines without losing the mail.


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Martin F. wrote:

Jeffrey Needle schrieb:

I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look. It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe you want to try and use Seamonkeys built-in Mail-part for gmail
then? (and any other email-provider you might be using)
It's kinda similar in usage concerning folders etc.

Window = MailNewsgroups or press Ctrl+2
Create a new account with the new account wizard using this data:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=13287
And don't forget to make sure that POP or IMAP is enabled in your google
mail account.

For IMAP instead of POP3:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=78799
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=78892

I guess it's easier for you to setup POP, but IMAP offers you to have
all mails synchronized in SM and in the webmail interface at any time,
so decide what you need/prefer. :-)
regards

Martin


Yes, I use SM's mail client for my gmail account. I was looking for a
way to read my gmail on the server and not download anything. I hate
gmail's native interface.


So use IMAP and choose leave mail on server until I move or delete it.
To read it you have to download it, your choices are POP, IMAP, or HTML.
But you don't have to keep it, allowing you to read from several
machines without losing the mail.



That's not where the problem is.  There's too much handling to do -- 
especially when a thread has gone on for a while, and you have to figure 
out if you've read the entries in the thread or not.  And so much 
monkeying around with the message list.


Nah, I'll stay with the POP server and continue to download the posts to SM.

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Martin F. wrote:

Jeffrey Needle schrieb:

I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look. It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe you want to try and use Seamonkeys built-in Mail-part for gmail
then? (and any other email-provider you might be using)
It's kinda similar in usage concerning folders etc.

Window = MailNewsgroups or press Ctrl+2
Create a new account with the new account wizard using this data:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=13287
And don't forget to make sure that POP or IMAP is enabled in your google
mail account.

For IMAP instead of POP3:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=78799
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=78892

I guess it's easier for you to setup POP, but IMAP offers you to have
all mails synchronized in SM and in the webmail interface at any time,
so decide what you need/prefer. :-)
regards

Martin


Yes, I use SM's mail client for my gmail account.  I was looking for a 
way to read my gmail on the server and not download anything.  I hate 
gmail's native interface.


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Martin F.]

Jeffrey Needle schrieb:

I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look. It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe you want to try and use Seamonkeys built-in Mail-part for gmail 
then? (and any other email-provider you might be using)

It's kinda similar in usage concerning folders etc.

Window = MailNewsgroups or press Ctrl+2
Create a new account with the new account wizard using this data:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=13287
And don't forget to make sure that POP or IMAP is enabled in your google 
mail account.


For IMAP instead of POP3:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=78799
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hlrm=deanswer=78892

I guess it's easier for you to setup POP, but IMAP offers you to have 
all mails synchronized in SM and in the webmail interface at any time, 
so decide what you need/prefer. :-)

regards

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Bill Davidsen]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

BJ wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

/snip/



But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so
why is it singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail
using IMPA (don't know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon,
or ATT, or any other server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out.



GMail does indeed offer both POP3 and IMAP for use in mail clients.

I think that is the misunderstanding. The webmail interface for GMail is 
charitably described as clunky.  I would describe it as unusable.


No, I have had to use it once or twice on the road, and clunky it is. But why 
would anyone do that with SM? Using Gmail from the browser interface is just the 
wrong thing to do. :-(


The only reason I can use GMail is to use it in SeaMonkey Mail/News as 
an IMAP account.  There it behaves just like any other IMAP account.


The POP version also behaves like any other POP account.

I think we are comaring the Web interface with the Mail client interface.




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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Bill Davidsen]

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Unfortunately, no.  I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's 
good for me.  I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. 
 I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work.  I'll 
report back when I have more specific information.


I don't understand what you mean by Gmail's interface being clunky. If you 
don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your choice, but 
why do you find it any clunkier than any other?


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[BJ]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if
it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to
use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll
report back when I have more specific information.


I don't understand what you mean by Gmail's interface being clunky. If
you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your
choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other?

While the OP may answer that anyway, it is a question of aesthetics, and 
thus very very subjective (I don't understand it either, but then I 
don't understand what's so special, and appealing to some, about modern 
art . . . hell, I wouldn't even know what modern art would be even if 
I was looking right at it).  You can't really crawl into someone's 
subjective reasoning.


So, one person's clunky Gmail interface can be another's beautiful 
and efficient Gmail interface (I wouldn't go so far myself to describe 
it as beautiful, but it seems fine to me).


Will be interested to see the OP's answer.

BJ
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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Bill Davidsen]

BJ wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this 
for

Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if
it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to
use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll
report back when I have more specific information.


I don't understand what you mean by Gmail's interface being clunky. If
you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your
choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other?

While the OP may answer that anyway, it is a question of aesthetics, and 
thus very very subjective (I don't understand it either, but then I 
don't understand what's so special, and appealing to some, about modern 
art . . . hell, I wouldn't even know what modern art would be even if 
I was looking right at it).  You can't really crawl into someone's 
subjective reasoning.


So, one person's clunky Gmail interface can be another's beautiful 
and efficient Gmail interface (I wouldn't go so far myself to describe 
it as beautiful, but it seems fine to me).


Will be interested to see the OP's answer.

But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so why is it 
singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail using IMPA (don't 
know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon, or ATT, or any other 
server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out.


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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Leonidas Jones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

BJ wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

/snip/



But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so
why is it singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail
using IMPA (don't know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon,
or ATT, or any other server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out.



GMail does indeed offer both POP3 and IMAP for use in mail clients.

I think that is the misunderstanding. The webmail interface for GMail is 
charitably described as clunky.  I would describe it as unusable.


The only reason I can use GMail is to use it in SeaMonkey Mail/News as 
an IMAP account.  There it behaves just like any other IMAP account.


The POP version also behaves like any other POP account.

I think we are comaring the Web interface with the Mail client interface.

Lee
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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:42:53 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 Philip Chee wrote:
 On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
 gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
 Seamonkey?

 Using SM2 on a WinXP system.

 There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
 you be more specific?

 Phil

 
 Responding again.  GTDInbox doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey, only 
 Firefox -- SM not mentioned.  I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to 
 look a little like Outlook Express used to look.  It was simple moving 
 mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the 
 latest e-mail, not the whole thread.
 
 Maybe I'm just dreaming.

Well what I meant was: Which is this absolutely beautiful add-on for
Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use that you were
referring to?

Phil

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:42:53 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Responding again.  GTDInbox doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey, only
Firefox -- SM not mentioned.  I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to
look a little like Outlook Express used to look.  It was simple moving
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.

Maybe I'm just dreaming.


Well what I meant was: Which is this absolutely beautiful add-on for
Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use that you were
referring to?

Phil



It's the Better Gmail you mention.  It won't work with SM, as far as I 
can see.  When you try to download it, it advises you to download Firefox.


Maybe I'm missing something?  Maybe it can be made to work with SM?

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Philip Chee]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
 I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes 
 gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for 
 Seamonkey?
 
 Using SM2 on a WinXP system.

There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Unfortunately, no.  I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's 
good for me.  I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. 
 I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work.  I'll 
report back when I have more specific information.


Thanks.

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Re: Gmail interface for SM 2

[Jeffrey Needle]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote:

I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes
gmail so much nicer and easier to use.  Is there something like this for
Seamonkey?

Using SM2 on a WinXP system.


There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could
you be more specific?

Phil



Responding again.  GTDInbox doesn't seem to work with Seamonkey, only 
Firefox -- SM not mentioned.  I guess what I'd like is for my gmail to 
look a little like Outlook Express used to look.  It was simple moving 
mails to folders, and clicking on an email in the inbox opened only the 
latest e-mail, not the whole thread.


Maybe I'm just dreaming.


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SM 2.x + tabs w/newsgroups

[NoOp]

I often find that if I open a newsgroup in another tab in mail/news the
header count for those newsgroups aren't updated unless I then select
another newsgroup and then click back into the newsgroup.

An example might be if I were to open mozilla.support.seamonkey in a new
MN tab (right-click  select Open in a new tab'. The msg count is not
updated. I then select mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey (from the same tab)
and then click back to mozilla.support.seamonkey and the proper msg
count appears. Anyone else see a similar issue and/or can reproduce?

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7)
Gecko/20100130 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.2

but the same if I use from Windows.

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Re: SM 2.x: Mail Filter keeps getting disabled

[Sqwertz]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:55:47 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:

 Simple mail filter that looks for a word in the subject of an Inbox
 and puts it into a named local folder.
 
 It keeps getting disabled.  If I tick the Enabled box, it works
 until SM gets shut down, then it unticks itself.
 
 I've deleted the filter and re-added it.  Same thing.
 
 It had a mind of it's own.  It pretty much makes messages filters
 useless.

I have removed and reinstalled the filter and the email account it
is attached to.  Same thing happens.  

This account is set up to POP from pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com (ATT
DSL).  The only thing odd I notice occasionally is when stafrt the
email client, it often say splease wait while the folder is being
processed.  Apparently it was already checking mail when I fired up
the mail window.

The filter itself is pretty simple:

version=9
logging=yes
name=TOSNA
enabled=no
type=17
action=Move to folder
actionValue=mailbox://nob...@local%20folders/TOSNA
condition=AND (subject,contains,TOSNA)

It's the only filter in the file.  And it keeps disabling itself for
no apparent reason.  Log file is working fine - it logs everything
normally up until the point it disables itself.

So much for message filters.

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SM 2.x: Mail Filter keeps getting disabled

[Sqwertz]

Simple mail filter that looks for a word in the subject of an Inbox
and puts it into a named local folder.

It keeps getting disabled.  If I tick the Enabled box, it works
until SM gets shut down, then it unticks itself.

I've deleted the filter and re-added it.  Same thing.

It had a mind of it's own.  It pretty much makes messages filters
useless.

-sw
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Re: SM 2.x: Mail Filter keeps getting disabled

[Phillip Jones]

Sqwertz wrote:

Simple mail filter that looks for a word in the subject of an Inbox
and puts it into a named local folder.

It keeps getting disabled.  If I tick the Enabled box, it works
until SM gets shut down, then it unticks itself.

I've deleted the filter and re-added it.  Same thing.

It had a mind of it's own.  It pretty much makes messages filters
useless.

-sw

Change the name. and see what happen.

Also it possible that your filters database is corrupt . I hope you 
don't have too many rules.  might be better to destroy it and start over.


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Re: Why wont SM 2 open my Mozilla profile?

[Rick Merrill]

Devils_Advocate wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek)cal...@gmail.com   wrote :


On 1/9/2010 9:05 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:

I need Seamonkey 2 to open my Mozilla profile from 1.1.18 to see all
my stored passwords, but that profile doesnt show up in SM 2 to even
BE opened.


SM2 copied the profile data to a new profile architechture as used by
Firefox, your old profile still exists and will be found/used if you
run SM1.1.x if you no longer have it installed, feel free to download
it and re-install and you'll have access to  that data again.

SM2 should have been able to import those old passwords though on
first start.


It imported the bookmarks I've been using, ok, but NOT the passwords,
which is a BIG hassle.

I looked up some things, about starting 2. using the -migrate thing, but
that still wont do it, it imports bookmarks but not passwords.



I installed SM2.0 from SM1.1.18 and it DID import all passwords  
usernames. The difference is that it no longer automaticly fills in the 
blanks but waits for you to type the first letter ...



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Re: Why wont SM 2 open my Mozilla profile?

[Phillip Jones]

Rick Merrill wrote:

Devils_Advocate wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek)cal...@gmail.comwrote :


On 1/9/2010 9:05 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:

I need Seamonkey 2 to open my Mozilla profile from 1.1.18 to see all
my stored passwords, but that profile doesnt show up in SM 2 to even
BE opened.


SM2 copied the profile data to a new profile architechture as used by
Firefox, your old profile still exists and will be found/used if you
run SM1.1.x if you no longer have it installed, feel free to download
it and re-install and you'll have access to  that data again.

SM2 should have been able to import those old passwords though on
first start.


It imported the bookmarks I've been using, ok, but NOT the passwords,
which is a BIG hassle.

I looked up some things, about starting 2. using the -migrate thing, but
that still wont do it, it imports bookmarks but not passwords.



I installed SM2.0 from SM1.1.18 and it DID import all passwords
usernames. The difference is that it no longer automaticly fills in the
blanks but waits for you to type the first letter ...


That's the new methods as mandated by Banks and Financial institutions. 
When really if your doing such they should be encrypted and use a Master 
Password would be proper thing to do. But because people hate using 
Master passwords the Financial institutions demanded this.


You can get the old method back by following Directions at:

http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/
Note everytime there is an update to SM you will have to redo this.
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Why wont SM 2 open my Mozilla profile?

[Devils_Advocate]

I need Seamonkey 2 to open my Mozilla profile from 1.1.18 to see all my 
stored passwords, but that profile doesnt show up in SM 2 to even BE 
opened.

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Re: Why wont SM 2 open my Mozilla profile?

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 1/9/2010 9:05 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:

I need Seamonkey 2 to open my Mozilla profile from 1.1.18 to see all my
stored passwords, but that profile doesnt show up in SM 2 to even BE
opened.


SM2 copied the profile data to a new profile architechture as used by 
Firefox, your old profile still exists and will be found/used if you run 
SM1.1.x if you no longer have it installed, feel free to download it and 
re-install and you'll have access to  that data again.


SM2 should have been able to import those old passwords though on first 
start.


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Re: Why wont SM 2 open my Mozilla profile?

[Devils_Advocate]

Justin Wood (Callek) cal...@gmail.com  wrote :

 On 1/9/2010 9:05 PM, Devils_Advocate wrote:
 I need Seamonkey 2 to open my Mozilla profile from 1.1.18 to see all
 my stored passwords, but that profile doesnt show up in SM 2 to even
 BE opened.
 
 SM2 copied the profile data to a new profile architechture as used by
 Firefox, your old profile still exists and will be found/used if you
 run SM1.1.x if you no longer have it installed, feel free to download
 it and re-install and you'll have access to  that data again.
 
 SM2 should have been able to import those old passwords though on
 first start.

It imported the bookmarks I've been using, ok, but NOT the passwords, 
which is a BIG hassle.

I looked up some things, about starting 2. using the -migrate thing, but 
that still wont do it, it imports bookmarks but not passwords.

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Re: Has mail Threading changed in SM 2

[Daniel]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/7/2010 4:08 PM, Daniel wrote:

Virtually every day, I get an email headed Possible error(s) in your
website (dxmm) and, under SM 1.x.x, these all appeared in the same
thread, making their deletion easy. Now I find they are listing separately.

I've had a look at my Mail  News group Account settings and the Mail
News group settings under Prefs but nothing jumps out at me!

Any Ideas??



Well, I don't remember the exact setting, but I'm hoping that my post
will jog someone else's memory.

There was a thread to two within the last couple months or so about
this. SM 1.1.X would thread using the Reference header (or something
like that), and if the message didn't contain one, it would fall-back
automatically to thread based on the subject text.

It seems SM 2.0 no longer does this fall-back by default. There is a
preference to enable it, but I don't remember what it is called, and
I don't have SM 2.X here to look at.

I hope someone else will know what I'm talking about and come up with
the right setting.

Good luck.


Thanks for the reply, Mark. Got me searching and I found a thread 
Threading don't work on one email address back in mid-Dec. I've 
changed the two config entries, I'll see what happens.


Thanks for the prod!

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Re: Has mail Threading changed in SM 2

[Mark Hansen]

On 1/8/2010 2:19 AM, Daniel wrote:
 
 Thanks for the reply, Mark. Got me searching and I found a thread 
 Threading don't work on one email address back in mid-Dec. I've 
 changed the two config entries, I'll see what happens.
 
 Thanks for the prod!
 

Perhaps you could share the names of the config entires you found? :)
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Re: Has mail Threading changed in SM 2

[Daniel]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/7/2010 4:08 PM, Daniel wrote:

Virtually every day, I get an email headed Possible error(s) in your
website (dxmm) and, under SM 1.x.x, these all appeared in the same
thread, making their deletion easy. Now I find they are listing
separately.

I've had a look at my Mail News group Account settings and the Mail
News group settings under Prefs but nothing jumps out at me!

Any Ideas??



Well, I don't remember the exact setting, but I'm hoping that my post
will jog someone else's memory.

There was a thread to two within the last couple months or so about
this. SM 1.1.X would thread using the Reference header (or something
like that), and if the message didn't contain one, it would fall-back
automatically to thread based on the subject text.

It seems SM 2.0 no longer does this fall-back by default. There is a
preference to enable it, but I don't remember what it is called, and
I don't have SM 2.X here to look at.

I hope someone else will know what I'm talking about and come up with
the right setting.

Good luck.


Thanks for the reply, Mark. Got me searching and I found a thread
Threading don't work on one email address back in mid-Dec. I've
changed the two config entries, I'll see what happens.


Always glad to help someone who gets an answer and doesn't tell the
group what it is, so everyone in the future can search to this dead end
thread. :-(



and, in finding this dead end thread, they will see that they have to go 
to another thread, who's title I quoted and that I gave an approximate 
time frame to!!


What's your problem, Bill??

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Re: Has mail Threading changed in SM 2

[Mark Hansen]

On 1/8/2010 2:22 PM, Daniel wrote:
 Bill Davidsen wrote:
 Daniel wrote:
 Mark Hansen wrote:
 On 1/7/2010 4:08 PM, Daniel wrote:
 Virtually every day, I get an email headed Possible error(s) in your
 website (dxmm) and, under SM 1.x.x, these all appeared in the same
 thread, making their deletion easy. Now I find they are listing
 separately.

 I've had a look at my Mail News group Account settings and the Mail
 News group settings under Prefs but nothing jumps out at me!

 Any Ideas??


 Well, I don't remember the exact setting, but I'm hoping that my post
 will jog someone else's memory.

 There was a thread to two within the last couple months or so about
 this. SM 1.1.X would thread using the Reference header (or something
 like that), and if the message didn't contain one, it would fall-back
 automatically to thread based on the subject text.

 It seems SM 2.0 no longer does this fall-back by default. There is a
 preference to enable it, but I don't remember what it is called, and
 I don't have SM 2.X here to look at.

 I hope someone else will know what I'm talking about and come up with
 the right setting.

 Good luck.

 Thanks for the reply, Mark. Got me searching and I found a thread
 Threading don't work on one email address back in mid-Dec. I've
 changed the two config entries, I'll see what happens.

 Always glad to help someone who gets an answer and doesn't tell the
 group what it is, so everyone in the future can search to this dead end
 thread. :-(

 
 and, in finding this dead end thread, they will see that they have to go 
 to another thread, who's title I quoted and that I gave an approximate 
 time frame to!!
 
 What's your problem, Bill??
 

Actually, you quoted the subject of the thread incorrectly. When I went
and looked for it, it wasn't found. Also, since you had the settings
right there, you could have included them in your message and not required
future folks to have to go look up the other thread and read through it.

Here is the content of the specific message, in case it helps anyone else.

 If you want to thread mails by subject you need to turn off the 
 mail.strict_threading preference. If the replies don't begin with Re: 
 then you will also need to turn on the mail.thread_without_re 
 preference. After using about:config to change these preferences you 
 will need to restart; then you can rebuild the summary file to rethread 
 the messages.
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Quick Search Feature on SM 2.x.

[Antman008]

SM Community,

Seems like the Quick Search feature has changed in SM 2.0.  In SM 1.1.x, 
the quick search would only find subjects or names (or email addresses) 
that a message was addressed To:.


In SM 2.x, it appears that the quick search now includes names that are 
also cc:'d on messages which is a much larger list to search through 
when your looking for one particular name.  I somewhat prefer it the old 
way.  Is there a preference setting that can give me the previous 
functionality?  To exclude cc:'s on quick search?


Thx,
Antman.
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Has mail Threading changed in SM 2

[Daniel]

Virtually every day, I get an email headed Possible error(s) in your 
website (dxmm) and, under SM 1.x.x, these all appeared in the same 
thread, making their deletion easy. Now I find they are listing separately.


I've had a look at my Mail  News group Account settings and the Mail  
News group settings under Prefs but nothing jumps out at me!


Any Ideas??

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Re: Has mail Threading changed in SM 2

[Mark Hansen]

On 1/7/2010 4:08 PM, Daniel wrote:
 Virtually every day, I get an email headed Possible error(s) in your 
 website (dxmm) and, under SM 1.x.x, these all appeared in the same 
 thread, making their deletion easy. Now I find they are listing separately.
 
 I've had a look at my Mail  News group Account settings and the Mail  
 News group settings under Prefs but nothing jumps out at me!
 
 Any Ideas??
 

Well, I don't remember the exact setting, but I'm hoping that my post
will jog someone else's memory.

There was a thread to two within the last couple months or so about
this. SM 1.1.X would thread using the Reference header (or something
like that), and if the message didn't contain one, it would fall-back
automatically to thread based on the subject text.

It seems SM 2.0 no longer does this fall-back by default. There is a
preference to enable it, but I don't remember what it is called, and
I don't have SM 2.X here to look at.

I hope someone else will know what I'm talking about and come up with
the right setting.

Good luck.
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Re: SM 2: Save link target as does not work

[A Williams]

D B Malmquist wrote:

EH wrote:


Hello!

When saving a link (e.g. a PDF), the 'open progress dialog' appears,
but the download does not start.
Directly clicking on the PDF link works: the PDF is loaded and then displayed.
Just tested: using the download manager also does not work! It shows me, that
the dowmload is not started.

I tested this with another computer just having installed Seamonkey 2.
Does not work here, too.

What happens here? Such an important feature doen't work?

BTW: On both computers, Seamonkey got the last version (1.1.18 / 1.1.17).

Anybody else with this problem?


Possibly you have the Adobe Acrobat Plug-in installed?  My recollection is
that even if you uncheck Display PDF in Browser in Acrobat, the plug-in
will nevertheless interfere with what happens when a PDF link is clicked.

On Seamonkey 2 I guess we will be able to just disable the plug-in.

Getting rid of it in Seamonkey 1.x isn't so easy.  You have to disable
plug-in scanning _and_ make sure the DLL is removed from the install
directory:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Adobe_Reader#Disabling_the_browser_plugin

-dbm


I just noticed this thread because I was looking to see if anyone else 
had this problem, although a simple 'does not work' is incorrect.


How to do it.

1 - Save Link Target As (you can do several of them if you have several 
to do)
2 - Go to the 'download manager' and stop all downloads which have not 
actually started

3 - you now get the option to restart them.  Do so.  Problem solved.

If this was a plugin problem then I have a problem with my html plugin :-)

btw, Linux, currently running 2.0.1 under Opensuse 11.2 although this 
problem started under 2.0.0 and Opensuse 11.1.  This applies to both the 
32 and 64-bit versions.
I am also fairly certain that I have this behaviour on my XP machine, 
assume that it always has the current SM version loaded.

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Re: RoboForm support for SM 2

[John Doue]

On 12/21/2009 5:32 PM, Mike C wrote:

I emailed RoboForm and asked When will RoboForm work with Seamonkey 2 ?

The answer I got back was:
 Unfortunately Seamonkey 2.x is not supported yet.

We do apologize for the inconvenience, but there is no ETA available
at this time.


Maybe if they get lots of requests they'll be quicker!
Here's where you can make requests:
http://support.roboform.com/php/rtss/main/?lang=

Mike C


Well, this is still a step forward from the answer I got some time ago 
... At that point, they just said, check our site, when it will be 
available, it will be posted. Not word for word, but that was the idea.


But you are right. Until it is available, no chance I will consider SM2 
prime time. I adopte FF3 only when I found Roboform, otherwise I would 
still be with FF2.

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Re: RoboForm support for SM 2

[Tom Pamin]

John Doue wrote:

On 12/21/2009 5:32 PM, Mike C wrote:

I emailed RoboForm and asked When will RoboForm work with Seamonkey 2 ?

The answer I got back was:
 Unfortunately Seamonkey 2.x is not supported yet.

We do apologize for the inconvenience, but there is no ETA available
at this time.


Maybe if they get lots of requests they'll be quicker!
Here's where you can make requests:
http://support.roboform.com/php/rtss/main/?lang=

Mike C


Well, this is still a step forward from the answer I got some time ago 
... At that point, they just said, check our site, when it will be 
available, it will be posted. Not word for word, but that was the idea.


But you are right. Until it is available, no chance I will consider SM2 
prime time. I adopte FF3 only when I found Roboform, otherwise I would 
still be with FF2.


The best solution is for the SM developers to add Form Manager back to 
2.01. Until they do I'm sticking with 1.1.18.

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Re: RoboForm support for SM 2

[Mike C]

John Doue wrote:

On 12/21/2009 5:32 PM, Mike C wrote:

I emailed RoboForm and asked When will RoboForm work with Seamonkey 2 ?

The answer I got back was:
 Unfortunately Seamonkey 2.x is not supported yet.

We do apologize for the inconvenience, but there is no ETA available
at this time.


Maybe if they get lots of requests they'll be quicker!
Here's where you can make requests:
http://support.roboform.com/php/rtss/main/?lang=

Mike C


Well, this is still a step forward from the answer I got some time ago 
... At that point, they just said, check our site, when it will be 
available, it will be posted. Not word for word, but that was the idea.


But you are right. Until it is available, no chance I will consider SM2 
prime time. I adopte FF3 only when I found Roboform, otherwise I would 
still be with FF2.


I have around 140 web sites with passwords in RoboForm.
There's no way I could get along without it!
(Actually I could delete a lot of them not used anymore)
(Too much work to do it at the present time though)
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Re: Regarding SM 2.x migration from earlier SM versions

[Robert Kaiser]

INFO WG wrote:

P.S.: I am a 39+ year technologist, UI and Process expert, and have taught the 
likes of Boeing, NASA, GE and many others in problem solving technology and 
techniques.

Heck, I have even taught myself, and you KNOW that I must be a frequent hard 
learner(!)


Sounds good, as I imply from that that you will write up the code to do 
what you proposed, right?


You know, the only way things get done in our project is due to someone 
volunteering his free time to actually work on it. Everything else is 
hot air.


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Re: Regarding SM 2.x migration from earlier SM versions

[Leonidas Jones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

INFO WG wrote:

P.S.: I am a 39+ year technologist, UI and Process expert, and have
taught the likes of Boeing, NASA, GE and many others in problem
solving technology and techniques.

Heck, I have even taught myself, and you KNOW that I must be a
frequent hard learner(!)


Sounds good, as I imply from that that you will write up the code to do
what you proposed, right?

You know, the only way things get done in our project is due to someone
volunteering his free time to actually work on it. Everything else is
hot air.

Robert Kaiser


Reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode, where an old man goes back 
in time, is made to look young, and intends to become rich.


He walks into a mechanic's shop, and says something like Here is an 
idea that will make us both rich.  An electric starter!


The mechanic says, Great idea!  Draw me up a set of blueprints, and 
I'll build it for you!


Having the vision is one thing, implementing it is quite another.

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Mail import to SM 2

[Cedar]

Is there a normal way to get the mail folder from SM 1.1.18 to SM 2?

I also have one subfolder from 1.1.18 that will not show up in the new 
mail folder.  Any ideas why this may be happening?


Is there a way to just open the old mail folders to read them?
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Re: Mail import to SM 2

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 3/12/2009 06:05, Cedar told the world:
 Is there a normal way to get the mail folder from SM 1.1.18 to SM 2?
 
 I also have one subfolder from 1.1.18 that will not show up in the new 
 mail folder.  Any ideas why this may be happening?
 
 Is there a way to just open the old mail folders to read them?


Yes. The easiest way is... just copy/move the old mail folder files to
your new profile. Files with the same name may be renamed without
consequences. (For instance, you probably won't wish to overwrite your
new inbox with your old inbox -- so just rename the old inbox to
inbox_old before copying).


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Release of SM 2.x- please restore form manager don't break anything else PLEASE

[me2]

I did say please...
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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Nairda]

Martin Freitag wrote:

Nairda schrieb:

If I just installed the SM2 browser component, could I continue using
the rest of my SM1.18 apps, Without losing access to my old 1.18
profiles? Or is this a really bad idea? (:
You can install SM2 safely to a folder like Seamonkey2 besides your old 
SM1.1.x
SM2 migrates your profile data to a _new_ profile in another directory. 
So you can use any Seamonkey at any time. Just make sure to add the 
-no-remote  parameter in the shortcut to SM2 if you need to start/run 
both Seamonkeys at the same time.

regards

Martin


Thank you Martin!
Will do.
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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[David Wilkinson]

Nairda wrote:
Yes, they can, and extra profiles and dictionaries can be restored. 
Given the time and inclination.


But some really serious security hole(s) are going to have to be found 
in SM1.1.18 first. (:


For me it is the browser compatibility that will get me to move. Too many sites 
do not display correctly in FireFox 2.x/SeaMonkey 1.x these days.


For now I am still using 1.18 on my main (XP) machine. But it's only a matter of 
time.


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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Martin Freitag]

Nairda schrieb:

If I just installed the SM2 browser component, could I continue using
the rest of my SM1.18 apps, Without losing access to my old 1.18
profiles? Or is this a really bad idea? (:
You can install SM2 safely to a folder like Seamonkey2 besides your old 
SM1.1.x
SM2 migrates your profile data to a _new_ profile in another directory. 
So you can use any Seamonkey at any time. Just make sure to add the 
-no-remote  parameter in the shortcut to SM2 if you need to start/run 
both Seamonkeys at the same time.

regards

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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Bill Davidsen]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Nairda wrote:

Hay gang. Nice work with SM 2.0.

So how many versions of SM 2.X will it be before we can import multiple
identities with out having to do the extra ones manually?


If you planning on waiting, it will be a long wait.  I don't think it 
will ever be available.


It may be even worse than that, I think I remember R.K. saying that the whole 
1.1.xx=2.0 was a hack and would be in 2.1.x versions. I am sure one of the 
developers said that, I'm less sure I remember who, and hopefully 2.1 is years 
down the road, because migration seems to get about as far as how do I use the 
forms manager and hang.


My own current pet peeve is lack of a good way to move a small set of passwords 
from one profile to another. It seems that the concept of some global data 
shared by all profiles would be useful, at least to me and a few others who use 
profiles heavily. I can sort of get by it, but it would be nice to have a few 
bookmarks, mailing addresses, and passwords which are common to all profiles, 
for stuff I do all the time.


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Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Nairda]

Hay gang. Nice work with SM 2.0.

So how many versions of SM 2.X will it be before we can import 
multiple identities with out having to do the extra ones manually?

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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Leonidas Jones]

Nairda wrote:

Hay gang. Nice work with SM 2.0.

So how many versions of SM 2.X will it be before we can import multiple
identities with out having to do the extra ones manually?


If you planning on waiting, it will be a long wait.  I don't think it 
will ever be available.


Lee
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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Nairda]

Nairda wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Nairda wrote:

Hay gang. Nice work with SM 2.0.

So how many versions of SM 2.X will it be before we can import multiple
identities with out having to do the extra ones manually?


If you planning on waiting, it will be a long wait.  I don't think it 
will ever be available.


Lee


Thanks for your reply Lee.
In that case I think I will wait till MozBackup 1.4.10 comes out of 
Beta. When ever that will be. (:

Mozbackup 1.4.9 claims to work with SeaMonkey 1.0a - 2.0.
Has anyone tried it with SM 2.0 yet?
~N


OK, well I tried it, and MB 1.4.9 only finds SM2 and SM2 profiles 
after SM2 has been installed.


SM2 doesn't even seem to import your old settings from the one 
single profile that it does let you import. It took me ages to get 
things just the way I wanted them, and it looks like one update 
blows them all away.


SM2 may be better, faster, and easier for some, but until the 
profile migration is fixed (which as Lee says maybe never), I 
guess I'm sticking with 1.1.18 for the foreseeable future.


All the best to everyone here.

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Re: Importing multible identites in SM 2.X.

[Leonidas Jones]

Nairda wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Nairda wrote:

Nairda wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Nairda wrote:

Hay gang. Nice work with SM 2.0.

So how many versions of SM 2.X will it be before we can import
multiple
identities with out having to do the extra ones manually?


If you planning on waiting, it will be a long wait. I don't think it
will ever be available.

Lee


Thanks for your reply Lee.
In that case I think I will wait till MozBackup 1.4.10 comes out of
Beta. When ever that will be. (:
Mozbackup 1.4.9 claims to work with SeaMonkey 1.0a - 2.0.
Has anyone tried it with SM 2.0 yet?
~N


OK, well I tried it, and MB 1.4.9 only finds SM2 and SM2 profiles after
SM2 has been installed.

SM2 doesn't even seem to import your old settings from the one single
profile that it does let you import. It took me ages to get things just
the way I wanted them, and it looks like one update blows them all away.

SM2 may be better, faster, and easier for some, but until the profile
migration is fixed (which as Lee says maybe never), I guess I'm sticking
with 1.1.18 for the foreseeable future.

All the best to everyone here.

~N


Moz Backup is Windows only, so I have no direct knowledge of it.
However, your description seems consistent with how it should work.

Remember, it is backup tool, its not designed for profile migration.

You can invoke the migration wizard manually, to migrate other profiles:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manual_migration

Lee


Yes I did look at that once or twice, but it all seemed rather convoluted.

And it still begs to question, why don't settings seem to stick?
Like clicking a link in all my old profiles opened a new tab, not a
whole new window.

Or maybe that was part of what I used MultiZilla for. Which of course
would have to be reinstalled and re-setup from scratch I guess.
http://multizilla.mozdev.org/features/index.html

I will have another go at the migration when I get more time.

Thanks for all your help Lee.

~N


Sad to say, Multizilla is not compatible with SM 2.0. It is a hobby 
extension, so there is no saying when or if it will ever be ported over.


As far as settings, most of mine did seem to carry over, but it is a 
totally different program.  They can be reset easily enough in 
Preferences.


Lee
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Re: Profile Locatios in SM 2.x and Windows 7

[Andrea Govoni]

On 15/11/09 02:00, Phillip Jones wrote:
 there is a a slight mistake in the Mac reference.
 
 /snip/
 
 the proper library Should be Hard drive name/username/Application
 Support/SeaMonkey

That's the same as ~/Library/Application Support/SeaMonkey (the ~
stands for your home directory).
There isn't any mistake in the Mac reference, IMO.


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Profile Locatios in SM 2.x and Windows 7

[R.S. Chandgie]

On the Mozilla/SM web site, The 'System Requirements' page lists Windows 
7 as one of the operating systems for SM 2.x. However, nowhere on the 
site can I find where the default Profile Folder is installed. The 
locations are listed for other OS as follows:


/This data is stored in your /profile folder/, which is located in one 
of the following locations depending on your operating system:

/
Windows Vista   Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey
Windows 2000, XP, Server 2003 	Documents and 
Settings\UserName\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey

Mac OS X~/Library/Application Support/SeaMonkey
Linux and Unix systems  ~/.mozilla/seamonkey


Can someone tell me where the Profile Folder is installed in Windows 7? 
SM 2.x will be installed on a new laptop that has no previous edition of 
SM on it.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks, Bob
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Re: Profile Locatios in SM 2.x and Windows 7

[Carl Kaufmann]

R.S. Chandgie wrote:

On the Mozilla/SM web site, The 'System Requirements' page lists Windows
7 as one of the operating systems for SM 2.x. However, nowhere on the
site can I find where the default Profile Folder is installed. The
locations are listed for other OS as follows:

/This data is stored in your /profile folder/, which is located in one
of the following locations depending on your operating system:
/
Windows Vista   Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey
Windows 2000, XP, Server 2003   Documents and
Settings\UserName\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey
Mac OS X~/Library/Application Support/SeaMonkey
Linux and Unix systems  ~/.mozilla/seamonkey


Can someone tell me where the Profile Folder is installed in Windows 7?
SM 2.x will be installed on a new laptop that has no previous edition of
SM on it.
Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks, Bob


Same place as Vista.

Carl
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Re: Profile Locatios in SM 2.x and Windows 7

[Phillip Jones]

R.S. Chandgie wrote:

On the Mozilla/SM web site, The 'System Requirements' page lists Windows
7 as one of the operating systems for SM 2.x. However, nowhere on the
site can I find where the default Profile Folder is installed. The
locations are listed for other OS as follows:

/This data is stored in your /profile folder/, which is located in one
of the following locations depending on your operating system:
/
Windows Vista   Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey
Windows 2000, XP, Server 2003   Documents and
Settings\UserName\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey
Mac OS X~/Library/Application Support/SeaMonkey
Linux and Unix systems  ~/.mozilla/seamonkey


Can someone tell me where the Profile Folder is installed in Windows 7?
SM 2.x will be installed on a new laptop that has no previous edition of
SM on it.
Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks, Bob


there is a a slight mistake in the Mac reference.

There are three libraries, on Mac OSX.

The main Library,is located when you first double click or open the hard 
drive.


Then there is a Library located in Username (username  being you gave as 
your account say you name for example or  hoby, or whatever, example: 
JohnDoughe  Library  )


Then there is a Library in the System Folder.

the proper library Should be Hard drive name/username/Application 
Support/SeaMonkey


There actually is an Application support  Directory in both the Main 
and user Libraries


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Re: SM 2 News reader

[Jim Dell]

Martin Freitag wrote:

Bill Davidsen schrieb:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Jim Dell wrote:

Stan wrote:

  Jim Dell wrote:


  The problem I am having is that when I open a news group it points to
  the last posting and in previous version of SeaMonkey it pointed
to the
  first unread posting. Looked for a setting, but can't seem to find
one
  to correct this situation.


  I'm not sure if either of these will help but possibly
  Edit/Preferences/Mail and News. OR, View/Sort.

Been there.  Still have to scroll up to first message.


Same here. With 1.1.18, the cursor was always on the top (oldest)
message; now, it's somewhere in the (seemingly random) middle,
requiring either the scroll or click-and-Home.  -JW


How about the first message on the last page of messages? Sound right?
That's where I seem to get it for both news and rss feeds.


You maybe want to play with (true/false):
user_pref(mailnews.scroll_to_new_message, false);
regards

Martin

Martin,
It doesn't seem to have any effect on the behavior.
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Re: SM 2 News reader

[Martin Freitag]

Bill Davidsen schrieb:
 J. Weaver Jr. wrote:
 Jim Dell wrote:
 Stan wrote:
  Jim Dell wrote:

  The problem I am having is that when I open a news group it points to
  the last posting and in previous version of SeaMonkey it pointed
 to the
  first unread posting. Looked for a setting, but can't seem to find
 one
  to correct this situation.

  I'm not sure if either of these will help but possibly
  Edit/Preferences/Mail and News. OR, View/Sort.
 Been there.  Still have to scroll up to first message.

 Same here. With 1.1.18, the cursor was always on the top (oldest)
 message; now, it's somewhere in the (seemingly random) middle,
 requiring either the scroll or click-and-Home.  -JW
 
 How about the first message on the last page of messages? Sound right?
 That's where I seem to get it for both news and rss feeds.

You maybe want to play with (true/false):
user_pref(mailnews.scroll_to_new_message, false);
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Re: Cannot send mail with SM 2

[chicagofan]

Daisy Zhao wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

Daisy Zhao wrote:

I unchecked Use name and passward,and try to send mail, but:

Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because the
connection to SMTP server smtp.gmail.com timed out. Try again or contact
your network administrator.

My mail server is gmail.



I understand a time out message is not uncommon with gmail recently,
because they've been having more problems than usual. Are you still having
this problem today?bj



yep  :(

I checked every step for smtp setting on gmail's configuring page,but the
problem's still there.

Receiving messages has no problem,but if I want to reply a mail,I have to go
back to gmail's page! Ridiculous,isn't?



I was hoping someone else would come along, and help you out, because I'm not
familiar with Gmail, and I'm not sure... I know what you're trying to do.  Does
this link help you at all?

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=75725

bj
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Re: Email client in SM 2

[NoOp]

On 11/06/2009 05:20 AM, Gisele Latour wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Is there a possibility to disable the email client in Sea Monkey 2?
 I don't use it and now my default email client can't open with mailto.
 With former versions I could choose the Install browser only feature,
 now it's impossible.
 
 Any idea? Many thanks.
 
 Gisele Latour


Please see the Seamonkey v2 RC - How to disable email feature? thread.


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Re: Cannot send mail with SM 2

[chicagofan]

Cedar wrote:

Cedar wrote:

When I try to send mail I get the following message:

Sending of message failed.
An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server
smtp.(etc). It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but
you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'Use name and password'
for that server or contact your service provider.

Also, it has never asked me for a password. What happens if I uncheck
use name and password?


It should work... and your connection will go through.



and Use Secure Authentication is not checked.



When I had that problem with 2.ob1, these instructions cleared up my problem:



To be sure we're talking about the same settings, go to Edit - Mail
 Newsgroups Account Settings, Outgoing Server (SMTP) then select
your SMTP server, and click on the *Edit* button.

Under Security and Authentication, make sure Use name and password
is NOT checked. Under Use secure connection, select NO.



Hope this helps you...
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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Robert Kaiser]

robert.ga...@att.net wrote:

Well it certainly is supported even if it is not advisable. Just look at
the entry in about:config.
javascript.allow.mailnews default boolean false


That one shouldn't exist there - you're sure it exists in 2.0? If so, 
then it's a real bug.


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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[NoOp]

On 11/02/2009 06:21 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
 robert.ga...@att.net wrote:
 Well it certainly is supported even if it is not advisable. Just look at
 the entry in about:config.
 javascript.allow.mailnews default boolean false
 
 That one shouldn't exist there - you're sure it exists in 2.0? If so, 
 then it's a real bug.
 
 Robert Kaiser

javascript.allow.mailnews;false

But maybe it got carried over with the transfer from 1.1.18?

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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Leonidas Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 11/02/2009 06:21 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

robert.ga...@att.net wrote:

Well it certainly is supported even if it is not advisable. Just look at
the entry in about:config.
javascript.allow.mailnews default boolean false


That one shouldn't exist there - you're sure it exists in 2.0? If so,
then it's a real bug.

Robert Kaiser


javascript.allow.mailnews;false

But maybe it got carried over with the transfer from 1.1.18?



Its there all right, in fact I even have it set to true.  It must be 
transferred with the profile from 1.1.18. Or might it have been there in 
an alpha then removed for a relesae and it carried over for those who 
used alhas?


Lee
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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Jens Hatlak]

On 11/2/2009 3:21 PM Robert Kaiser wrote:

robert.ga...@att.net wrote:

Well it certainly is supported even if it is not advisable. Just look at
the entry in about:config.
javascript.allow.mailnews default boolean false


That one shouldn't exist there - you're sure it exists in 2.0? If so, 
then it's a real bug.


The Core part of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248280 
only landed on m-c...


HTH

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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Leonidas Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 11/02/2009 09:15 AM, Leonidas Jones wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 11/02/2009 06:21 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

robert.ga...@att.net wrote:

Well it certainly is supported even if it is not advisable. Just look at
the entry in about:config.
javascript.allow.mailnews default boolean false


That one shouldn't exist there - you're sure it exists in 2.0? If so,
then it's a real bug.

Robert Kaiser


javascript.allow.mailnews;false

But maybe it got carried over with the transfer from 1.1.18?



Its there all right, in fact I even have it set to true.  It must be
transferred with the profile from 1.1.18. Or might it have been there in
an alpha then removed for a relesae and it carried over for those who
used alhas?

Lee


I just checked on one of my test machines w/brand new 2.0 install (never
had any other SM on the machine) and it is there alright:
javascript.allow.mailnews;false



I'm not surprised.  Its there in Firefox 3.5.4 too!

Obviously its a hold over from earlier versions.  Since it could not 
have any effect in FF, it probably does not in SM either, though it 
might be worth a test.


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SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Rufus]

1) indication/feedback for encryption behavior when storing sensitive 
data - even if it's only a notation in the Preference Pane(s) about the 
default behavior.


2) stand alone strong password creation Tool/Assistant - like what is 
already in place when creating a Master Password.


3) Private Data Manager - I'd like to be able to see what's in there, 
and know more about just what's being cleared when I do so manually.


4) bring back ability to disable Javascript for Mail and Newsgroups 
independent of Browser - as previous.


5) Preference Pane/selections for Tabbed Mail similar to what is in 
place for Tabbed Browsing.


6) ability to manually re-order Mail and Newsgroup account/server 
display order by drag and drop.


7) keystroke sequence to invoke Profile Manager at launch - as previous.

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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Robert Kaiser]

4) bring back ability to disable Javascript for Mail and Newsgroups
independent of Browser - as previous.


What problem do you have with JavaScript being always disabled for Mail 
and Newsgroups, as it is now?



5) Preference Pane/selections for Tabbed Mail similar to what is in
place for Tabbed Browsing.


That's planned, from what I know, the contributor working on this just 
didn't have time to finish it up for 2.0


For all the others, have youu looked if bugs are filed? Can you help 
with putting some of your own time in and work on any of them yourself? 
We are a volunteer project, most things only happen if someone 
volunteers for them, you know...


Robert Kaiser
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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Rufus]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

4) bring back ability to disable Javascript for Mail and Newsgroups
independent of Browser - as previous.


What problem do you have with JavaScript being always disabled for Mail
and Newsgroups, as it is now?



Well, for one - as the interface stands now I have no idea what the 
JavaScript default is for Mail and News by just reading the Prefs panel; 
only that it is enabled or disabled for the Browser.  So the assumption 
could be that if I enable it for the Browser, it's now enabled globally. 
 Poor interface design; no feedback/information on what is going on. 
And suppose I do want it enabled for Mail and News...then what is my option?



5) Preference Pane/selections for Tabbed Mail similar to what is in
place for Tabbed Browsing.


That's planned, from what I know, the contributor working on this just
didn't have time to finish it up for 2.0



That's good to hear!


For all the others, have youu looked if bugs are filed? Can you help
with putting some of your own time in and work on any of them yourself?
We are a volunteer project, most things only happen if someone
volunteers for them, you know...

Robert Kaiser


No - the other items I've listed defiantly fall into the category of 
enhancements, not bugs.  It also appears that the information in SM Help 
is ahead of the release in a number of areas/implementations.


I'm not a coder so I can't contribute that way, but I do evaluate 
software interfaces and operation professionally.  I should probably be 
a beta tester...I could at least help out that way.


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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Robert Kaiser]

Rufus wrote:

Well, for one - as the interface stands now I have no idea what the
JavaScript default is for Mail and News by just reading the Prefs panel;
only that it is enabled or disabled for the Browser. So the assumption
could be that if I enable it for the Browser, it's now enabled globally.


If it was globally, it wouldn't state Browser next to the checkbox. 
Not having a checkbox to enable it for mail and newsgroups means that 
you cannot enable it, i.e. it's not available at all. But I agree that 
the user interface could be better. I'd appreciate a bug with 
suggestions and a patch filed for 2.1.



Poor interface design; no feedback/information on what is going on. And
suppose I do want it enabled for Mail and News...then what is my option?


None. JavaScript in MailNews is not just evil, it's not supported due to 
its unclear security state.



For all the others, have youu looked if bugs are filed? Can you help
with putting some of your own time in and work on any of them yourself?
We are a volunteer project, most things only happen if someone
volunteers for them, you know...


No - the other items I've listed defiantly fall into the category of
enhancements, not bugs. It also appears that the information in SM Help
is ahead of the release in a number of areas/implementations.


Enhancements are also bugs in Mozilla speak, i.e. they need a bug 
report filed in Bugzilla to be tracked. Anything just mentioned anywhere 
else is pretty sure to fall through the cracks, and any code change 
whatsoever needs a bug report where it was discussed to be mentioned in 
its commit comment.



I'm not a coder so I can't contribute that way, but I do evaluate
software interfaces and operation professionally. I should probably be a
beta tester...I could at least help out that way.


Any help would be appreciated!

And you probably also could be a bug reporter :)

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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Rufus]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Well, for one - as the interface stands now I have no idea what the
JavaScript default is for Mail and News by just reading the Prefs panel;
only that it is enabled or disabled for the Browser. So the assumption
could be that if I enable it for the Browser, it's now enabled globally.


If it was globally, it wouldn't state Browser next to the checkbox. 
Not having a checkbox to enable it for mail and newsgroups means that 
you cannot enable it, i.e. it's not available at all. But I agree that 
the user interface could be better. I'd appreciate a bug with 
suggestions and a patch filed for 2.1.




...I was code head of sorts...in a previous life...to me it's implied 
because it doesn't say anything now and did before, and in my 
professional life we aren't in the habit of taking functionality out of 
code - or at least we don't NOOP it without making it clear what the new 
result is.  So my impression was that something was still happening 
behind the scenes for Mail and News that I now no longer have control over.



Poor interface design; no feedback/information on what is going on. And
suppose I do want it enabled for Mail and News...then what is my option?


None. JavaScript in MailNews is not just evil, it's not supported due to 
its unclear security state.




Wish it told me that someplace.  I'm big on security features - also 
from a professional standpoint.  The flexibility and user options in SM 
are one of it's stronger facets, IMO.



For all the others, have youu looked if bugs are filed? Can you help
with putting some of your own time in and work on any of them yourself?
We are a volunteer project, most things only happen if someone
volunteers for them, you know...


No - the other items I've listed defiantly fall into the category of
enhancements, not bugs. It also appears that the information in SM Help
is ahead of the release in a number of areas/implementations.


Enhancements are also bugs in Mozilla speak, i.e. they need a bug 
report filed in Bugzilla to be tracked. Anything just mentioned anywhere 
else is pretty sure to fall through the cracks, and any code change 
whatsoever needs a bug report where it was discussed to be mentioned in 
its commit comment.




Ahhh...at work we make a distinction.  I'll look into capturing all my 
observations in bug reports on Bugzilla, then.  If it'll help, I'd be 
happy to.  I read in another thread that coders were reading/monitoring 
here and to keep posting.  So I have been.



I'm not a coder so I can't contribute that way, but I do evaluate
software interfaces and operation professionally. I should probably be a
beta tester...I could at least help out that way.


Any help would be appreciated!

And you probably also could be a bug reporter :)

Robert Kaiser


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Re: SM 2.x.x - things I'd like to see.

[Phillip Jones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

4) bring back ability to disable Javascript for Mail and Newsgroups
independent of Browser - as previous.


What problem do you have with JavaScript being always disabled for Mail
and Newsgroups, as it is now?


Not having the choice of whether to use it. I've always had JavaScript 
enabled for mail and news since back in Netscape navigator days and not 
once have I had a problem with JavaScript. I am aware there are supposed 
to be issues with JavaScript. But I've never experienced them.



5) Preference Pane/selections for Tabbed Mail similar to what is in
place for Tabbed Browsing.


That's planned, from what I know, the contributor working on this just
didn't have time to finish it up for 2.0

For all the others, have youu looked if bugs are filed? Can you help
with putting some of your own time in and work on any of them yourself?
We are a volunteer project, most things only happen if someone
volunteers for them, you know...

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Re: SM 2 Composer Preview links need to be made active

[INFO WG]

Leonidas Jones leonidasjo...@netscape.net
put forth:

The Composer component is probably the lowest priority for the volunteer

Take a look at KompoZer:

http://www.kompozer.net/

Does it do what you want it to do?

If so, that is said to be the basis for SM Composer as of 2.1, if all 
goes well.


Hopefully no, and here are the humble reasons:

1. Kompozer as it exists right now, is just a glorified and too-limited NVU. It 
may well be overkill for SM 2.01 and maybe even SM 2.1, as NVU can't begin to 
hold a candle to the really fair-to-good HTML editors. SM might need too much 
to compete with them, too.

SM 2 users need something nice as far as HTML editing and quick composition, 
and perhaps Composer 2.01 in SM 2 is the better answer.

2. We don't need a small, underpowered HTML editor (essentially a modified NVU) 
IN SM 2, but yes, SM 2.01 needs a slight bit more than what the initial SM 2 
Composer has. 

Again, the Preview links not working is one of THE please-fix-sooner needs for 
SM 2.01
 
3. We DO need a SM 2.01... because it's going to take too long to do SM 2.1.

And do we really want to wait that long ??  Even the one or two SM 2 volunteer 
programmers (God bless them, one and both or all!) themselves...would they want 
to wait that long? 

More needed is to get the few nagging SM 2.0 things fixed in a 2.01 and get 
2.01 out to the users. THEN turn efforts to a SM 2.1 perhaps in 1ST quarter 
2010.

IF NVU can add a little more power and automated features, then yes, it might 
make it into SM 2.1, and be a fair contender for a low-end HTML editor with 
some pretty good muscles, I will grant it that potential.
 
But not at the expense of ignoring a needed SM 2.01, one with the Composer 
Preview links optioned to make them globally active or not.

Joe

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Message: 8

JR WG wrote:
 Follow-up...

 RE: SM2 Composer Preview mode not activating links, thus not allowing them 
 to be clicked on to test and/or cause a browser to be automatically opened 
 to the link.


 I.  SM2 and Composer Introduction in Workshops

 Well, after two Workshops (we give quite a few), I introduced SM2 to a total 
 of 42 users of both fairly neophyte and, we can safely say, intermediate and 
 advanced users.

 To a one, well, with one wavering, all stated that SM2 Composer Preview 
 mode not activating links is either a programming error or a bug.

 I politely explained how links were expected to be used and tested in SM2 
 Composer, and received a resounding series of replies that boiled down to:

 1. Who would want to do all that work, just to test a link?
 2. None of the other HTML editors does it that way, why change it now ?
 3. There has to be something wrong in Composer, no matter what the 
 explanation.
 4. Any Windows, Mac, and Linux editors and tools seen always activate the 
 links in their respective Preview modes. Ditto for the now old Windows 
 Outlook and Outlook Express Preview modes.

 I humbly agree with the above, maybe all four of the most heard responses.


 II. The Acid Test

 So, in light of the above, we as a group used three or four common HTML 
 editors and one dedicated web-design tool, and compared the workload, steps, 
 intuitiveness and time it took to do simple link work in those tools 
 versus SM 2 Composer NOT having links activated in Preview mode.

 Frankly, SM 2 Composer took far more steps to achieve the same results, and 
 that's a sin. The extra steps and work that not having links active in 
 Preview is simply not acceptable nor needed to be done that way.

 ALL the other editors and tools activate links in their respective Preview 
 modes, and that activity has long been considered proper and correct 
 activity or option, for a great many years.

 SM2 Composer Preview mode not activating links is NOT correct, and should be 
 considered an oversight if not a programmer's bug in SM Composer 2.0...and 
 fixed as soon as prudently possible in a 2.01, or 2.1, providing that a 2.1 
 would not be too long in forthcoming.

 Joe

The Composer component is probably the lowest priority for the volunteer

Take a look at KompoZer:

http://www.kompozer.net/

Does it do what you want it to do?

If so, that is said to be the basis for SM Coposer as of 2.1, if all 
goes well.

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Re: SM 2 on my Mac - No Go

[Roger . Merat]

David L. Ross wrote:

Sorry buts that about as detailed as I can get as to what's wrong.

Mac G4 1.25SP 2GB  OS 10.4.11

Was using SM 1.1.14

Zipped the old Mozilla folder in ~/Library just in case.
Ditto renamed SeaMonkey.app to SeaMonkey old.app

Drop installed SM v2

Started it up, it asked me if I wanted to convert old stuff to new. I 
said yes.


Note I have 7 mail accounts (6 imap, 1 pop) and 2 news accounts (of of 
them this site)


First start
Got a browser window. Did Cmd2 and no mail window. But there was a 2 
with no description in the Window menu. Waited a bit. Tried Cmd2 a few 
more times. Then tried to quit. Menu command activated but nothing 
happened. Tried both CmdQ and menu pick. Nada. Restarted.


Second start
Now I can get a mail/news window. But I can't do anything with it. Menu 
items flash if you pick them. But nothing happens. Clicking on Account 
settings and such do nothing. I can open up main settings window but 
many of the choices yield a blank space on the right. Still can't quit. 
So I restart again.


Third start
Now I can get into preferences. They seem to do things. Ditto mail 
account settings. But some accounts will not check email. Other things 
odd. Still can't quit. Restart AGAIN.


Forth start
I get further but when I try and walk through email account settings 
many (most?) windows on the right seem to display some XML code in 50pt 
type. Still no quit. Restart AGAIN.


Now I fire up SeaMonkey old and send this.

Any ideas?


Unfortunately no.

I've had the same problems on a MacPro 3GB OS 10.5.8.
SM 1.1.18 works perfectly to access 9 email accounts, 4 news servers, bookmark 
with 2900 entries and 550 MB in local folders.
SM 2.0 hangs, crashes, display numbers with no description in the Window menu, 
refuses to display preferences, etc.. After several restart and reboot, I drop 
SM 2.0 and revert to the previously renamed SeaMonkey.1.1.18.app

I've run SM 2.0 without problem on a Windows XP system with a single email 
account, few bookmark entries and local folders almost empty.

I don't know yet what makes SM 2.0 unusable on MacOs.

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Re: Password Manager SM 2..

[stango]

Evan Davidson wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JD wrote:

The password manager in SM version 2 sucks. Password Manager doesn't
fill in the user name or password until I enter the start of it. V
1.1.18 filled it in when I went to a page that had a user name and/or
password..

How long will V 1.1.18 be supported while I find something else to 
use?


I'm sorry to be such a complainer but I'm not impressed with my SM
update.



Works as previous for Mac OS X - I go to the page and Password Manager
fills in the entire stored entries.



On my XP home edition, it works on some pages like it used to but on
others I have to click. I'm getting used to it. (I guess.)

I've noticed for a while That on many sites now the password Manager 
will remember the username but not the password and on some bank sites 
or CC Site even with it on it remembers neither.


There use to be a script you could add to SeaMonkey, that would make 
it store passwords anyway. Anyone know where that is?




https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html and drag remember 
passwords to your personal toolbar.


You should not have to install additional software to make a function in
Seamonkey 2.0 operate correctly.

Password Manager does not function correctly in that it indeed only
works some of the time.

It does not appear to have a problem with standard HTTP: sites but is
unpredictable with HTTPS secure sites.

Connecting to my Capital One secure account and clicking on my User ID 
does nothing. Double clicking on my User Id results in a drop down list 
with my ID. The Password field is prefilled with asterisks and double 
clicking on it highlights the asterisks the field.


Connecting to my Comerica secure account and clicking on the User ID box 
does nothing. Double clicking on my User ID does nothing either. However 
if I double click on my User ID, then double click on my Password and 
then go back and double click on my User ID my User ID appears in a drop 
down list. At first I thought this was a timing issue but after waiting 
5 minutes for something to happen proved that this was not the case.


Connecting to my Chase secure account, nothing works. Single clicks, 
double clicks, in one field, in all fields, I get absolutely no response.


Because I have over 60 user accounts and passwords for on line ordering 
and financial management this is a very important required function. 
Without it SM 2.0 is not usable to me so I will continue to use 1.1.18 
in hopes that this problem will be resolved.


Excepting one other problem, I do like the new version and appreciate 
the effort that goes into bringing a project like this into the world.

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Re: SM 2 on my Mac - No Go

[David L. Ross]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

roger.me...@adm.unige.ch wrote:

David L. Ross wrote:

Sorry buts that about as detailed as I can get as to what's wrong.

Mac G4 1.25SP 2GB OS 10.4.11

Was using SM 1.1.14

Zipped the old Mozilla folder in ~/Library just in case.
Ditto renamed SeaMonkey.app to SeaMonkey old.app

Drop installed SM v2

Started it up, it asked me if I wanted to convert old stuff to new. I
said yes.

Note I have 7 mail accounts (6 imap, 1 pop) and 2 news accounts (of of
them this site)

First start
Got a browser window. Did Cmd2 and no mail window. But there was a 2
with no description in the Window menu. Waited a bit. Tried Cmd2 a few
more times. Then tried to quit. Menu command activated but nothing
happened. Tried both CmdQ and menu pick. Nada. Restarted.

Second start
Now I can get a mail/news window. But I can't do anything with it.
Menu items flash if you pick them. But nothing happens. Clicking on
Account settings and such do nothing. I can open up main settings
window but many of the choices yield a blank space on the right. Still
can't quit. So I restart again.

Third start
Now I can get into preferences. They seem to do things. Ditto mail
account settings. But some accounts will not check email. Other things
odd. Still can't quit. Restart AGAIN.

Forth start
I get further but when I try and walk through email account settings
many (most?) windows on the right seem to display some XML code in
50pt type. Still no quit. Restart AGAIN.

Now I fire up SeaMonkey old and send this.

Any ideas?


Unfortunately no.

I've had the same problems on a MacPro 3GB OS 10.5.8.
SM 1.1.18 works perfectly to access 9 email accounts, 4 news servers,
bookmark with 2900 entries and 550 MB in local folders.
SM 2.0 hangs, crashes, display numbers with no description in the Window
menu, refuses to display preferences, etc.. After several restart and
reboot, I drop SM 2.0 and revert to the previously renamed
SeaMonkey.1.1.18.app

I've run SM 2.0 without problem on a Windows XP system with a single
email account, few bookmark entries and local folders almost empty.

I don't know yet what makes SM 2.0 unusable on MacOs.

EM


I've got SM2.0 running without issue on 6 Mac OSX machines, so it is far 
from a universal problem.


As I tried to point out I may not be normal. In addition to all the accounts 
mentioned above I have about 2 displays worth of filters to sort out email from 
various mail lists I'm on.

But no plug ins. :)

So creating the profile by hand means an afternoon or more.
(Did the change the way you pick a folder for filters to file into? The one 
looong list is a real pita for me as I have about 200 folders.)

David
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Re: SM 2 on my Mac - No Go

[David L. Ross]

David L. Ross wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

roger.me...@adm.unige.ch wrote:

David L. Ross wrote:

Sorry buts that about as detailed as I can get as to what's wrong.

Mac G4 1.25SP 2GB OS 10.4.11

Was using SM 1.1.14

Zipped the old Mozilla folder in ~/Library just in case.
Ditto renamed SeaMonkey.app to SeaMonkey old.app

Drop installed SM v2

Started it up, it asked me if I wanted to convert old stuff to new. I
said yes.

Note I have 7 mail accounts (6 imap, 1 pop) and 2 news accounts (of of
them this site)

First start
Got a browser window. Did Cmd2 and no mail window. But there was a 2
with no description in the Window menu. Waited a bit. Tried Cmd2 a few
more times. Then tried to quit. Menu command activated but nothing
happened. Tried both CmdQ and menu pick. Nada. Restarted.

Second start


Big snip on how it seems to get better and better after restarting the computer 
multiple times but is still a no go.


I've run SM 2.0 without problem on a Windows XP system with a single
email account, few bookmark entries and local folders almost empty.

I don't know yet what makes SM 2.0 unusable on MacOs.

EM


I've got SM2.0 running without issue on 6 Mac OSX machines, so it is 
far from a universal problem.


As I tried to point out I may not be normal. In addition to all the 
accounts mentioned above I have about 2 displays worth of filters to 
sort out email from various mail lists I'm on.


But no plug ins. :)

So creating the profile by hand means an afternoon or more.
(Did the change the way you pick a folder for filters to file into? The 
one looong list is a real pita for me as I have about 200 folders.)




Is there something I can send someone who might be able to figure out the issue?

My profile? old/new?

An Activity monitor inspection?

Is there a document describing the new profile format so I can look for something 
odd?

David
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Re: Password Manager SM 2..

[JD]

stango wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JD wrote:

The password manager in SM version 2 sucks. Password Manager doesn't
fill in the user name or password until I enter the start of it. V
1.1.18 filled it in when I went to a page that had a user name and/or
password..

How long will V 1.1.18 be supported while I find something else to
use?

I'm sorry to be such a complainer but I'm not impressed with my SM
update.



Works as previous for Mac OS X - I go to the page and Password Manager
fills in the entire stored entries.



On my XP home edition, it works on some pages like it used to but on
others I have to click. I'm getting used to it. (I guess.)


I've noticed for a while That on many sites now the password Manager
will remember the username but not the password and on some bank
sites or CC Site even with it on it remembers neither.

There use to be a script you could add to SeaMonkey, that would make
it store passwords anyway. Anyone know where that is?



https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html and drag remember
passwords to your personal toolbar.


You should not have to install additional software to make a function in
Seamonkey 2.0 operate correctly.

Password Manager does not function correctly in that it indeed only
works some of the time.

It does not appear to have a problem with standard HTTP: sites but is
unpredictable with HTTPS secure sites.

Connecting to my Capital One secure account and clicking on my User ID
does nothing. Double clicking on my User Id results in a drop down list
with my ID. The Password field is prefilled with asterisks and double
clicking on it highlights the asterisks the field.

Connecting to my Comerica secure account and clicking on the User ID box
does nothing. Double clicking on my User ID does nothing either. However
if I double click on my User ID, then double click on my Password and
then go back and double click on my User ID my User ID appears in a drop
down list. At first I thought this was a timing issue but after waiting
5 minutes for something to happen proved that this was not the case.

Connecting to my Chase secure account, nothing works. Single clicks,
double clicks, in one field, in all fields, I get absolutely no response.

Because I have over 60 user accounts and passwords for on line ordering
and financial management this is a very important required function.
Without it SM 2.0 is not usable to me so I will continue to use 1.1.18
in hopes that this problem will be resolved.

Excepting one other problem, I do like the new version and appreciate
the effort that goes into bringing a project like this into the world.


It was my experience with the older version that a very few web pages 
would not let Password Manager do it's thing and that's when the 
bookmarklet came in handy.


However, the new version doesn't work very well on many web pages so 
I'll post a question about that in this newsgroup and see if someone 
comes up with a fix.


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Re: Password Manager SM 2..

[Leonidas Jones]

JD wrote:

stango wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JD wrote:

/snip/

It was my experience with the older version that a very few web pages
would not let Password Manager do it's thing and that's when the
bookmarklet came in handy.

However, the new version doesn't work very well on many web pages so
I'll post a question about that in this newsgroup and see if someone
comes up with a fix.



When you do, cite some specific examples of pages where it does not 
work.  I'm not having any problems at all in my usage.


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Re: Password Manager SM 2..

[Phillip Jones]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

stango wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JD wrote:

/snip/

It was my experience with the older version that a very few web pages
would not let Password Manager do it's thing and that's when the
bookmarklet came in handy.

However, the new version doesn't work very well on many web pages so
I'll post a question about that in this newsgroup and see if someone
comes up with a fix.



When you do, cite some specific examples of pages where it does not
work.  I'm not having any problems at all in my usage.

Lee

How about Suntrust, Bank of America, Chase, Franklin income, Discover
All https sites. of all of these only Suntrust responds even to the 
Bookmarklet.  On some sites you could save the Username with password 
Manger  but not the password on all these sites. with the bookmarklet 
you could save both. only one of the items before that would work now 
work and that is Suntrust.


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Re: Password Manager SM 2..

[JD]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

stango wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JD wrote:

/snip/

It was my experience with the older version that a very few web pages
would not let Password Manager do it's thing and that's when the
bookmarklet came in handy.

However, the new version doesn't work very well on many web pages so
I'll post a question about that in this newsgroup and see if someone
comes up with a fix.



When you do, cite some specific examples of pages where it does not
work. I'm not having any problems at all in my usage.

Lee



Discover card and Charles Schwab log in. The old version used to fill 
them in but in the new version I have to left mouse click to get a 
username to select.


I thought it was because I somehow managed to import the password file 
twice but I have deleted the duplicates and the problem continues.


Maybe I should delete the problem pages in PWManager and start over?

Now that I think about it, it seems like the pages that are giving me 
problems are the ones I had to use the bookmarklet on to save the PW and 
UN originally. H. I'll try that tomorrow.


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Re: Password Manager SM 2..

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

stango wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

JD wrote:

Rufus wrote:

JD wrote:

/snip/

/snip/

How about Suntrust, Bank of America, Chase, Franklin income, Discover
All https sites. of all of these only Suntrust responds even to the
Bookmarklet. On some sites you could save the Username with password
Manger but not the password on all these sites. with the bookmarklet you
could save both. only one of the items before that would work now work
and that is Suntrust.



I'm having no problem at all with Bank of America.  I don't use any 
bookmarklet with it.  SM remembers my username with no problem, and I 
input my password, which is what BofA actually wants.


Honestly, I don't think JD's problem had anything to do with an added 
bookmarklet, but the native password saving in SM/


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