[Biofuel] fuel additives
I have a 2002 VW TDI Golf , it is 60% Brazil - assembled there, trans form Poland , Engine from Germany Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Methane Digester
I live in the Southeastern US. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methane Digester Hi Tim, Over in Ireland here we use approx 200head cattle as break even point, depends if you are selling back to grid, and have use for heat (CHP) Are you in Europe, check CADDETT for more info of technology suppliers, best of luck with project, Sh*t Happens. dD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was curious to know if anyone has any first hand experience with Methane Digesters. And if so, what size farm operation would be a minimum for generating a useful amount of gas? Keeping in mind that much of my small farm manure is currently used in composting and I wouldn't sacrifice that. However, over the next few years I will be increasing the amount of livestock. In addition, what sort of environmental impact might this have? Thank you, Tim F. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Methane Digester
Hello Keith, Thanks for the info. And please let me know how your experiment goes this winter. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methane Digester Hello Tim I was curious to know if anyone has any first hand experience with Methane Digesters. A project for this winter for us. I guess as of now the answer would be yes, some. And if so, what size farm operation would be a minimum for generating a useful amount of gas? Useful for what? Fry says in his book (below) that a tractor tyre biogas digester will produce gas from very little chicken manure, but it'll only give you enough gas for 20 minutes a day - but that's enough to cook a meal. Keeping in mind that much of my small farm manure is currently used in composting and I wouldn't sacrifice that. Indeed not, and that's what's kept us from doing biogas up to now. However, over the next few years I will be increasing the amount of livestock. In addition, what sort of environmental impact might this have? It needn't have any. Just don't believe them when they say the sludge is a good fertiliser! If you're a composter you'll know why it isn't, even if it does contain some N, P, and K. There are some useful resources in our Biofuels library which should give you some ideas: Methane Digesters For Fuel Gas and Fertilizer -- With Complete Instructions For Two Working Models http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#m ethanefry Nepal Biogas Plant -- Construction Manual http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#n epgas Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#p ain When we build a unit this winter, or hopefully before, we'll make a new section on biogas at our website, with a lot of resources. I've been threatening to do this for some time. It'll happen when it does. Meanwhile there's some interesting stuff in the archives. Try these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37307/ Fwd: Anaerobic digestion of oil cake http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37311/ Fwd: Anaerobic digestion of oil cake - more http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33550/ Biogas was Rejoining list with a question HTH Best Keith Thank you, Tim F. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] U.S. Funds Chat Room Surveillance Study
Updated: 08:11 AM EDT U.S. Funds Chat Room Surveillance Study Looking for Patterns That Could Detect Terrorist Messaging By MICHAEL HILL, The Associated Press TROY, N.Y. (Oct. 11) - Amid the torrent of jabber in Internet chat rooms - flirting by QTpie and BoogieBoy, arguments about politics and horror flicks - are terrorists plotting their next move? The government certainly isn't discounting the possibility. It's taking the idea seriously enough to fund a yearlong study on chat room surveillance under an anti-terrorism program. A Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute computer science professor hopes to develop mathematical models that can uncover structure within the scattershot traffic of online public forums. Chat rooms are the highly popular and freewheeling areas on the Internet where people with self-created nicknames discuss just about anything: teachers, Kafka, cute boys, politics, love, root canal. They are also places where malicious hackers have been known to trade software tools, stolen passwords and credit card numbers. The Pew Internet American Life Project estimates that 28 million Americans have visited Internet chat rooms. Trying to monitor the sea of traffic on all the chat channels would be like assigning a police officer to listen in on every conversation on the sidewalk - virtually impossible. Instead of rummaging through megabytes of messages, RPI professor Bulent Yener will use mathematical models in search of patterns in the chatter. Downloading data from selected chat rooms, Yener will track the times that messages were sent, creating a statistical profile of the traffic. If, for instance, RatBoi and bowler1 consistently send messages within seconds of each other in a crowded chat room, you could infer that they were speaking to one another amid the noise of the chat room. For us, the challenge is to be able to determine, without reading the messages, who is talking to whom, Yener said.In search of hidden communities, Yener also wants to check messages for certain keywords that could reveal something about what's being discussed in groups.The $157,673 grant comes from the National Science Foundation's Approaches to Combat Terrorism program. It was selected in coordination with the nation's intelligence agencies.The NSF's Leland Jameson said the foundation judged the proposal strictly on its broader scientific merit, leaving it to the intelligence community to determine its national security value. Neither the CIA nor the FBI would comment on the grant, with a CIA spokeswoman citing the confidentiality of sources and methods.Security officials know al-Qaida and other terrorist groups use the Internet for everything from propaganda to offering tips on kidnapping. But it's not clear if terrorists rely much on chat rooms for planning and coordination. Michael Vatis, founding director of the National Infrastructure Protection Center and now a consultant, said he had heard of terrorists using chat rooms, which he said offer some security as long as code phrases are used. Other cybersecurity experts doubted chat rooms' usefulness to terrorists given the other current options, from Web mail to hiding messages on designated Web pages that can only be seen by those who know where to look.In a world in which you can embed your message in a pixel on a picture on a home page about tea cozies, I don't know whether if you're any better if you think chat would be any particular magnet, Jonathan Zittrain, an Internet scholar at Harvard Law School.Since they are focusing on public chat rooms, authorities are not violating constitutional rights to privacy when they keep an eye on the traffic, experts said. Law enforcement agents have trolled chat rooms for years in search of pedophiles, sometimes adopting profiles making it look like they are young teens.But the idea of the government reviewing massive amounts of public communications still raises some concerns.Mark Rasch, a former head of the Justice Department's computer crimes unit, said such a system would bring the country one step closer to the Pentagon's much-maligned Terrorism Information Awareness program.Research on that massive data-mining project was halted after an uproar over its impact on privacy.It's the ability to gather and analyze massive amounts of data that creates the privacy problem, Rasch said, even though no individual bit of data is particularly private. Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII [1]Fahrenheit 9/11 [2]The Son Also Rises [3]From Crawford, TX [4]kcom.gif References 1. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=knoton-20path=ASIN/B5JNEI/knoton-20?creative=327641camp=14573link_code=as1 2.
[Biofuel] Hakan, another Swede here
Hakan, I am coming to Stockholm- Gavle next week. I would like to meet with you. Are you in the area? Email me your phone number please. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like an excellent example on how the American system can be manipulated and corrupted, should be prosecuted. How can a elected official be allowed to deal with an issue that he have an interest and a bias and how can he be allowed to do an amendment that is directly and personally favorable to him. If true, it is outrageous, but I am not surprised. This kind of things should be handled by the police, not private initiatives. In some other true democracies it would also be the case. Hakan At 09:53 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote: NOW IS THE TIME TO STAND UP FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY. TODAY!!! PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE AND TAKE ACTION AS SOON AS YOU CAN. Yesterday Senator John Warner (R-VA) submitted a last-minute amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill currently in Conference Committee that will have the effect of stopping not only the Nantucket Sound Wind Farm but, in effect, ALL OFFSHORE WIND-BASED RENEWABLE ENERGY INITIATIVES IN THE UNITED STATES. If you care about the future of energy in this country, and are as outraged as we are about Sen. Warner's methods, please take some time to make your feelings heard. Warner, the Republican Senate Chair of the Committee, is proposing language that would prevent the Army Corps of Engineers (the approved permitting authority for offshore development) from acting on any offshore wind farm application, INCLUDING ANY CURRENTLY PENDING, until Congress specifically authorizes the use of outer Continental Shelf land for such purposes. Although this sounds benign, anyone who knows how our government works knows that this will, in reality, stop all offshore wind projects in the US. In other words, Warner, WHO OWNS A SUMMER HOME IN OSTERVILLE, is effectively sacrificing the future of renewable energy in the U.S. so that the Nantucket Sound Wind Farm will not go ahead. Worse, he is inserting this amendment into the bill at such a late stage that there will be virtually no time to debate it. In other words, he is sneaking a provision that will be harmful to the country into an inappropriate bill at the last moment to ensure its passage. Whatever ! your position on renewable energy, you may well be disgusted at these tactics, which masquerade as government of the people by the people for the people . THE FULL TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT AND ADDRESSES OF THE RELEVANT LEGISLATORS WHO NEED TO HEAR YOUR OPINION ARE INCLUDED AT THE END OF THIS MESSAGE. To put this development into context: At a time when Americans are more concerned then ever in reducing our dependence on Mideast oil with our soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq and with record oil prices, Senator Warner is attempting to block one of America's options for reducing our dependence on the Middle East - developing clean, offshore, American wind power. Senator Warner's amendment would prevent the US Army Corps of Engineers from being involved in permitting offshore wind projects, a move that would set back America's offshore wind energy projects for years if not decades. Right now, seventeen federal and state agencies are in their third year of reviewing Cape Wind's proposal to provide three quarters of the electricity for Cape Cod and the Islands from clean wind power, a region that is now heavily dependent upon oil to generate its electricity. This review process is using the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and the process is supported by many of America's most respected environmental organizations for being thorough, and for protecting the public interest. Senator Warner's amendment would also prevent Governor Pataki and the Long Island Power Authority from moving forward in their efforts to initiate a permitting process for an offshore wind farm south of Long Island as well as blocking any other potential for harvesting offshore wind off the coasts of the United States. Warner's amendment would directly contradict and impede President Bush's Executive Order to expedite the production of domestic energy resources. Offshore wind energy projects can significantly reduce operations at fossil fuel power plants, thereby improving air quality and the health of all Americans. Cape Wind would also offset over a million tons of greenhouse gases each year, equal to taking over 150,000 cars off the road from this one offshore wind farm alone. The 4,000 page Draft Environmental Impact Statement of the US Army Corps of Engineers on Cape Wind will thoroughly address all of the environmental and economic issues that government agencies need to consider. However, the document is currently being held up at the Pentagon, a development that is possibly related to Senator Warner's amendment. Meanwhile, the tentative decision of the Massachusetts Energy Facility Siting Board found that Cape Wind's power is
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt, If I charge an EV from my solar panels, I can go twice as far than If I used that electric to electrolyze hydrogen, compress it, and burn it in a fuel cell. Not to mention the costs involved with the electrolyzer, the compressor, and the fuel cell far outweigh the cost of an EV. Now why would I be so foolish to throw away my expensive and high quality PV electric in such a manner? Beats me. I don't even understand why you're setting up and attacking arguments I'm not making; how foolish is that? PVs aren't the only game in town, although they do have their uses and are part of the energy mix we're working with. What we're looking at in this case is that we're looking at converting wind power to H2 and O2 and then piping that to point-of-use. We want the O2 to drive auto-thermal reformation of char; the use of the H2 is secondary. Now it may be more effective to use PSA or VSA technology to generate our O2, but we look forward to adding that option to our tool kit as well. Let me try and explain the car thing again. It's nice to have an EV that has a range of 100 miles, but that's not going to get us to the Big City and back again, so it would have to be classed here as a limited-use vehicle. It doesn't make economic sense for us to insure a vehicle that isn't capable of multi-use. We like the idea of being able to capture wind energy and then use it in a variety of ways. We're not going to channelize our energy program on the grounds of highest and best use since we care more about flexibility and diversity than we do about profitability and efficiency. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel
Hi Luc I have 2 friends that have been running on bio for about 3 months now. They have both converted their trucks to have a CAV fuel filter which incorporates a glass bowl for examining sediments and this also has a drain screw for emptying those sediments. They have found that in the first 5000 km of driving that they needed to examine and drain/replace their filters and sediments bowls at about 100 km intervals. However now the system has stabilized. Most diesel vehicles have a sediment filter and a final filter. The sediment filter is usually located near the tank and that would be the one blocking on your MB. The final filter is a final safety measure to catch any fine particles that may have bypassed your sediment filter. If your final filter is blocked then particles may bypass it and then damage your injector pump. The fuel feed or return lines/pipes will never ever block in your situation. All the work can be done by an inexperienced paerson ie anybody and you appear to be wasting your time and money taking your MB to a dealer for repairs. All that you needed to do is clean both filter housings internally and replace both filter elements. The primary sediment filter element may need to be replaced and/or cleaned many times until your system is finally clean. What my friends also experience is small amounts of glycerine sedimenting out of the bio-diesel in the sediment filter which they visually spot and drain off. They simply check their sediment bowl visually every 500 km or so now. regards, Daniel 14. B100 Cleaning action (Legal Eagle) 15. RE: fuel additives (Erik Lane) 16. Re: fuel additives (Brian) Message: 14 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:26:48 -0400 From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone have any clear information on fuel tanks being affected in the use of B100, as in any documented experiences where the BD has dislodged residues which has resulted in a clogging of tank or fuel filters ? Thanks. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Exhaust system lifespans
You poor people - still using imperial measurements! In Australia we went metric over 30 years ago so don't have these type of issues! Anyway regarding exhaust component life spans, probably the least important factor is the distance traveled. More importantly factors such as the ph of the road surface water and the distance traveled on average per trip. In Australia a petrol vehicle exhaust system typically last about 150k km whilst a diesel may last about 250k km. I live in an area where my minimum trip is about 100km and have found that my diesel exhaust lasts about 500k km. regards, Daniel Australia I too checked conversion tables and found it was not listed, so presumed the same. In any case it still seems that US exhausts last much longer than ULK counterparts. Now, just to confuse, what's a Irish mile? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
Hello All ; Congressman Ron Paul, in Ron Pauls' Freedom Report, March 2004 : Since no weapons of mass destruction or link to al Qaeda have been found in Iraq, the explanation given now for having gone there was top bring democracy to the Iraqi people. Yet now we hear that the Iraqis are demanding immediate free elections not controlled by the United States and our administration says the Iraqi people are not yet ready for free elections. THE TRUTH IS THAT A NATIONAL ELECTION IN IRAQ WOULD BRING INDIVIDUALS TO POWER THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT. Democratic elections will have to wait. Cheers. --- Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess Bush has to inflate the numbers, because 3,000 is a small number compared to the other atrocities that have occurred. Already there are about 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed 20,000 died in Bhopal, neither Union Carbide nor Dow which bought Union Carbide has paid one penny in reparation. 1 million died in the Rawanda massacre who knows how may are dying in Dakar 40,000 are slaughtered each year on American highways half by drunk drivers 10 million African babies die each year from starvation 1 million Armenians were massacared by the Turks Hitler exterminated 10 million Stalin killed about 20 million And the land of liberty and freedom, now committed to granting democracy to others, completely decimated its native population in its formative years, Done with my soap box ranting Ken --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was the same case if you died on American soil. Hakan ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] University of California Davis biogas project
University of California Davis New 'Digester' Converts Garbage to Energy October 4, 2004 More than 14 million tons of high-moisture, organic waste are generated in California each year. Some of it is composted, but too much finds its way into landfills. UC Davis bioenvironmental engineer Ruihong Zhang sees a vast untapped resource in those lawn clippings, household table scraps and other biodegradable materials: enough energy to keep the lights burning in thousands of California homes, high-quality soil amendments for the landscape industry, even fiberboard for construction purposes. One promising key to unlocking this potential is currently under study at UC Davis. Zhang is building a prototypical anaerobic digester, part of a $4 million project funded by the California Energy Commission and industry partners. The concept is elegantly simple -- garbage in, good stuff out, including biogas to burn for electricity-producing turbines. Previous biological conversion systems have failed because they required that the waste be ground up, which canceled the energy-production benefits. Zhang's anaerobic digester should be better because, she said, it is designed to process waste materials in their natural form, easing material handling and converting the material into biogas at a faster rate. The prototype digester at UC Davis should be fired up this fall. It will consume about three tons of organic waste per day, delivered from collection facilities in Dixon and San Francisco. It will generate about 600 kilowatt-hours of electricity per day, enough to meet the needs of 15 typical California homes. The energy will go to the campus power supply. Media contact(s): ð Ruihong Zhang, Biological and Agricultural Engineering, (530) 754-9530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ð John Stumbos, UC Davis News Service, (530) 754-2261, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=7168 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over
Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply fear-mongering? Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html Free until US elections Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming and energy supply, and what we all know about how seriously, if that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right kind of grunting noises. I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel
Where do you get these filters? Can they be ordered online? From granger? -Original Message- From: Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel Hi Luc I have 2 friends that have been running on bio for about 3 months now. They have both converted their trucks to have a CAV fuel filter which incorporates a glass bowl for examining sediments and this also has a drain screw for emptying those sediments. They have found that in the first 5000 km of driving that they needed to examine and drain/replace their filters and sediments bowls at about 100 km intervals. However now the system has stabilized. Most diesel vehicles have a sediment filter and a final filter. The sediment filter is usually located near the tank and that would be the one blocking on your MB. The final filter is a final safety measure to catch any fine particles that may have bypassed your sediment filter. If your final filter is blocked then particles may bypass it and then damage your injector pump. The fuel feed or return lines/pipes will never ever block in your situation. All the work can be done by an inexperienced paerson ie anybody and you appear to be wasting your time and money taking your MB to a dealer for repairs. All that you needed to do is clean both filter housings internally and replace both filter elements. The primary sediment filter element may need to be replaced and/or cleaned many times until your system is finally clean. What my friends also experience is small amounts of glycerine sedimenting out of the bio-diesel in the sediment filter which they visually spot and drain off. They simply check their sediment bowl visually every 500 km or so now. regards, Daniel 14. B100 Cleaning action (Legal Eagle) 15. RE: fuel additives (Erik Lane) 16. Re: fuel additives (Brian) Message: 14 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:26:48 -0400 From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone have any clear information on fuel tanks being affected in the use of B100, as in any documented experiences where the BD has dislodged residues which has resulted in a clogging of tank or fuel filters ? Thanks. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over
George, What part of They haven't even really started to think... or ...not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from... do you find difficult to understand and cryptic? Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what the process of read[ing] through a keyhole would be like - how narrow the view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply fear-mongering? Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html Free until US elections Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming and energy supply, and what we all know about how seriously, if that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right kind of grunting noises. I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over
I suppose I should have read it first. It was a link sent to me by a friend on another list. Haven't been reading much. If I have any energy I put it into walking. Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, What part of They haven't even really started to think... or ...not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from... do you find difficult to understand and cryptic? Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what the process of read[ing] through a keyhole would be like - how narrow the view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: George Page To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply fear-mongering? Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html Free until US elections Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming and energy supply, and what we all know about how seriously, if that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right kind of grunting noises. I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methane Digester:Composting Vc biodigestion
Dear Tim Well any size of biogas production is possible from 250 l to 200 M3.Biodigestor of 5 Cubic meter is the minium ECONOMIC size for a small familly cooking gas consumption. Composting lead to considerable loss of material 10 -20 porcent and hence a good combination of integrated composting and ANEROBIC biodigestion(NO LOSS) in a closed loop with water recycling ,liquid biofertilizer,need to be studied. If you dont think of recycling the natural biomass residuos from animal , NATURAL BIODEGRADATION WITH TIME making very significant amount of CO2 , methane gas, ALL going to atmosfere.The environment impact will be very high if your animal production is very high.Better you think of clean production with environmentally friendly apropriate technology.We,in the tropical region of north east of Brazil, RN state , Natal city, do have a small young ecodesign team WORKINg in this type of integrated biomass resource INOVATIVE NOVEL technolgy for fuel, feed, fiber and food production using biofuel FORM BIOMASS WASTES(ANIMAL, AGRICULTURAL AND AGROINDUSTRIAL) DETAILED STUDY NEED TO BE DONE FOR THE INTEGRATED BIOGAS PROJECT, eventhough biogas digestor can be simple,yet you may get very little return , if not well designed and all resources are well utilized. Feel free to consult here in this list forum your project , before you put it in practice for operation. Yours truely Dr.Pannirselvam --- Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was curious to know if anyone has any first hand experience with Methane Digesters. And if so, what size farm operation would be a minimum for generating a useful amount of gas? Keeping in mind that much of my small farm manure is currently used in composting and I wouldn't sacrifice that. However, over the next few years I will be increasing the amount of livestock. In addition, what sort of environmental impact might this have? Thank you, Tim F. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Funds Chat Room Surveillance Study
We had pen recorders on the phone system in Iran in the 70's. People dial a phone with their own peculiar rythm. Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updated: 08:11 AM EDT U.S. Funds Chat Room Surveillance Study Looking for Patterns That Could Detect Terrorist Messaging By MICHAEL HILL, The Associated Press TROY, N.Y. (Oct. 11) - Amid the torrent of jabber in Internet chat rooms - flirting by QTpie and BoogieBoy, arguments about politics and horror flicks - are terrorists plotting their next move? The government certainly isn't discounting the possibility. It's taking the idea seriously enough to fund a yearlong study on chat room surveillance under an anti-terrorism program. A Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute computer science professor hopes to develop mathematical models that can uncover structure within the scattershot traffic of online public forums. Chat rooms are the highly popular and freewheeling areas on the Internet where people with self-created nicknames discuss just about anything: teachers, Kafka, cute boys, politics, love, root canal. They are also places where malicious hackers have been known to trade software tools, stolen passwords and credit card numbers. The Pew Internet American Life Project estimates that 28 million Americans have visited Internet chat rooms. Trying to monitor the sea of traffic on all the chat channels would be like assigning a police officer to listen in on every conversation on the sidewalk - virtually impossible. Instead of rummaging through megabytes of messages, RPI professor Bulent Yener will use mathematical models in search of patterns in the chatter. Downloading data from selected chat rooms, Yener will track the times that messages were sent, creating a statistical profile of the traffic. If, for instance, RatBoi and bowler1 consistently send messages within seconds of each other in a crowded chat room, you could infer that they were speaking to one another amid the noise of the chat room. For us, the challenge is to be able to determine, without reading the messages, who is talking to whom, Yener said.In search of hidden communities, Yener also wants to check messages for certain keywords that could reveal something about what's being discussed in groups.The $157,673 grant comes from the National Science Foundation's Approaches to Combat Terrorism program. It was selected in coordination with the nation's intelligence agencies.The NSF's Leland Jameson said the foundation judged the proposal strictly on its broader scientific merit, leaving it to the intelligence community to determine its national security value. Neither the CIA nor the FBI would comment on the grant, with a CIA spokeswoman citing the confidentiality of sources and methods.Security officials know al-Qaida and other terrorist groups use the Internet for everything from propaganda to offering tips on kidnapping. But it's not clear if terrorists rely much on chat rooms for planning and coordination. Michael Vatis, founding director of the National Infrastructure Protection Center and now a consultant, said he had heard of terrorists using chat rooms, which he said offer some security as long as code phrases are used. Other cybersecurity experts doubted chat rooms' usefulness to terrorists given the other current options, from Web mail to hiding messages on designated Web pages that can only be seen by those who know where to look.In a world in which you can embed your message in a pixel on a picture on a home page about tea cozies, I don't know whether if you're any better if you think chat would be any particular magnet, Jonathan Zittrain, an Internet scholar at Harvard Law School.Since they are focusing on public chat rooms, authorities are not violating constitutional rights to privacy when they keep an eye on the traffic, experts said. Law enforcement agents have trolled chat rooms for years in search of pedophiles, sometimes adopting profiles making it look like they are young teens.But the idea of the government reviewing massive amounts of public communications still raises some concerns.Mark Rasch, a former head of the Justice Department's computer crimes unit, said such a system would bring the country one step closer to the Pentagon's much-maligned Terrorism Information Awareness program.Research on that massive data-mining project was halted after an uproar over its impact on privacy.It's the ability to gather and analyze massive amounts of data that creates the privacy problem, Rasch said, even though no individual bit of data is particularly private. [1]Fahrenheit 9/11 [2]The Son Also Rises [3]From Crawford, TX [4]kcom.gif References 1. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=knoton-20path=ASIN/B5JNEI/knoton-20?creative=327641camp=14573link_code=as1 2. http://www.knoton.com/den/TheSonAlsoRises.html 3. http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial39.htm 4. http://www.knoton.com/
[Biofuel] War resisters
Support War Resisters October 10, 2004 By Doug Ireland The iniquity of the U.S. occupation of Iraq came home to me yet again this week as I watched a BBC report on the aerial bombardment of Samara. There was a helmeted American colonel, smilingly telling the camera that the residents of this city of 200,000 were happy at the bloody liberation of their home. The wailing Samarans filmed by the BBC didn't look particularly filled with joy as they dug through the rubble of residences destroyed by the U.S. gunships' rockets. The baby boy in swaddling clothes they dug from that rubble, who was covered from head to foot in dust, did not look happy either -- he looked dead. The baby also did not look like a terrorist. As I saw these latest pictures from this unhappy war, the thought came to me that this week was the anniversary of one of the most famous documents in French history -- the Manifesto of 121 against France's colonial war in Algeria. At the height of that other war, which saw French soldiers ordered to torture, rape and kill Algerian men and women (whether they were combatants in the Algerian FLN or not), the 121 writers, intellectuals, and artists proclaimed -- 44 years ago this week -- their support for the right to desert from an Army guilty of degradingly inhuman, criminal conduct. We respect, and consider justified, they said, the refusal to take up arms against the Algerian people. Among the signatories of the Manifesto of 121 were some of France's most prominent talents: Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir, of course, but also Pierre Boulez, Alain Robbe-Grillet, Nathalie Sarraute, Vercors (the heroic writer-fighter of the French Resistance to Nazism), Marguerite Duras, Simone Signoret ... and more, all of whom risked a great deal, including indictment, for signing this incitement to desertion. When Signoret and other actors were banned from appearing on state-owned radio and television for signing the Manifesto, all the other players in France's most popular broadcasts went on general strike in solidarity with the banned. The links between France's conduct in Algeria then, and the United States actions in Iraq today, are rather concrete. Gilles Pontecorvo's award-winning 1965 docudrama, The Battle of Algiers -- detailing the illegal repressive tactics by the French -- has been used as a how-to-do-it training film for the U.S. counter-insurgency forces in Iraq. The 2001 memoir by the head of French intelligence in Algeria, General Paul Aussaresses -- Special Services, 1955-57, in which the General justified and recounted in detail the kidnapping, torture, and murder his self-described death squad employed -- has been used, too, as a training manual, notably for the intelligence officers deployed to the torture prison at Abu Ghraib, where teenage boys were raped. (General Aussaresses was indicted in France for publishing this apologia for crimes against humanity -- actions which French President Jacques Chirac qualified as atrocities when he ordered the General stripped of one France's most prestigious decorations, the Legion of Honor, for his published confession.) On October 20, Canada will hold its first hearing to determine the fate of an American Iraq-war resister in uniform: Jeremy Hinzman, who has applied for refugee status after refusing combat duty in Iraq. Hinzman, a North Carolinian, enlisted when he was just 17, when his father took him to the recruiting office, in part because of a promise of money for his education. Hinzman also told Canadian television, I also had a vision in my head of being a big guy and fighting for just causes. With the revelation that the reason for the U.S. invasion -- Saddam's pretended Weapons of Mass Destruction -- was a lie, Hinzman decided the war was a crime against humanity. That, he says, is not part of defending your country and it's not something I'm willing to kill someone else or lose my own life for. Hinzman applied for conscientious objector status after he received orders to go to Iraq, but was rejected while he was still serving in Afghanistan. He went to Canada while on leave. Hinzman is not the only war resister in uniform to have sought refuge in Canada. Brandon Hughey, 19, fled to Canada from Fort Hood, Texas, in March because he doesn't believe the U.S. war in Iraq is legal or moral; he has since become a prominent speaker at anti-war rallies there. Hinzman, Hughey, and the rest of the half-dozen uniformed war resisters seeking refugee status could face stiff prison terms if Canada returns them to the United States. A petition has been launched in Canada in support of these G.I. War resisters. This appeal to the Canadian government has received important support from the Canadian labor movement. The petition recalls that, during the period of 1965-1973 more than 50,000 draft-age Americans made their way to Canada, refusing to participate in an immoral war. At the time, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau said: 'Those who make the
RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over
Thanks Todd. You've removed about one degree of obfuscation. Not what I would call clarity, but I get the impression that this piece of writing is not being rated too highly. That's what I suspected Keith was saying, it just wasn't terribly clear. Nor was your response for that matter. I haven't been following the list too closely, but for some reason the posting for that book caught my eye. I followed the link, read about 10 pages and found the premise a bit intriguing, but also felt it seemed a bit apocalyptic. I was just curious to see what Keith and others thought of it. I still don't know exactly. What's wrong with asking for a little clarification? Cheers, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over George, What part of They haven't even really started to think... or ...not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from... do you find difficult to understand and cryptic? Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what the process of read[ing] through a keyhole would be like - how narrow the view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply fear-mongering? Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html Free until US elections Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming and energy supply, and what we all know about how seriously, if that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right kind of grunting noises. I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Funds Chat Room Surveillance Study
We had pen recorders on the phone system in Iran in the 70's. People dial a phone with their own peculiar rythm. Kirk Echelon didn't help much, did it? 9/11 happened anyway, so did a lot of other things. Seems to be quite good at corporate spying on the Europeans though, probably the Japanese too. http://www.gn.apc.org/duncan/ic2kreport.htm Interception capabilities 2000 http://www.echelonwatch.org/ Echelon Watch Echelon is perhaps the most powerful intelligence gathering organization in the world. Several credible reports suggest that this global electronic communications surveillance system presents an extreme threat to the privacy of people all over the world. http://archive.aclu.org/echelonwatch/faq.html Echelon Watch | FAQ http://archive.aclu.org/echelonwatch/resources.html Echelon Watch | Resources http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=7249c=130 European Parliament Launches Official Inquiry in US; Concerned With Implications of Top-Secret ECHELON Surveillance System (Privacy Technology) (05/08/2001) WASHINGTON - Capping an official inquiry into a highly secret U.S.-led electronic eavesdropping network, a delegation from a committee of the European Parliament has taken the unusual step of traveling to the United States for a week-long fact-finding mission. http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=7534c=130 Privacy Advocates Concerned About Echelon (Privacy Technology) (05/01/2000) BOSTON -- The possibility that innocent people may become Echelon targets or that the project's spying may exceed legal boundaries bothers privacy activists, PC World reported. The activists note that when an intelligence project operates in total secrecy, the public has no way of knowing whether or not the program is operating within the law. http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=8765c=130 ACLU Launches Web Site On Global Surveillance System (Privacy Technology) (11/16/1999) WASHINGTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union today launched a web site designed to shed light on a global electronic surveillance system known by the code name Echelon that reportedly allows the United States and other governments to eavesdrop on private citizens. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updated: 08:11 AM EDT U.S. Funds Chat Room Surveillance Study Looking for Patterns That Could Detect Terrorist Messaging By MICHAEL HILL, The Associated Press TROY, N.Y. (Oct. 11) - Amid the torrent of jabber in Internet chat rooms - flirting by QTpie and BoogieBoy, arguments about politics and horror flicks - are terrorists plotting their next move? The government certainly isn't discounting the possibility. It's taking the idea seriously enough to fund a yearlong study on chat room surveillance under an anti-terrorism program. A Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute computer science professor hopes to develop mathematical models that can uncover structure within the scattershot traffic of online public forums. Chat rooms are the highly popular and freewheeling areas on the Internet where people with self-created nicknames discuss just about anything: teachers, Kafka, cute boys, politics, love, root canal. They are also places where malicious hackers have been known to trade software tools, stolen passwords and credit card numbers. The Pew Internet American Life Project estimates that 28 million Americans have visited Internet chat rooms. Trying to monitor the sea of traffic on all the chat channels would be like assigning a police officer to listen in on every conversation on the sidewalk - virtually impossible. Instead of rummaging through megabytes of messages, RPI professor Bulent Yener will use mathematical models in search of patterns in the chatter. Downloading data from selected chat rooms, Yener will track the times that messages were sent, creating a statistical profile of the traffic. If, for instance, RatBoi and bowler1 consistently send messages within seconds of each other in a crowded chat room, you could infer that they were speaking to one another amid the noise of the chat room. For us, the challenge is to be able to determine, without reading the messages, who is talking to whom, Yener said.In search of hidden communities, Yener also wants to check messages for certain keywords that could reveal something about what's being discussed in groups.The $157,673 grant comes from the National Science Foundation's Approaches to Combat Terrorism program. It was selected in coordination with the nation's intelligence agencies.The NSF's Leland Jameson said the foundation judged the proposal strictly on its broader scientific merit, leaving it to the intelligence community to determine its national security value. Neither the CIA nor the FBI would comment on the grant, with a CIA spokeswoman citing the confidentiality of sources and methods.Security officials know al-Qaida and other terrorist groups use the Internet for everything from propaganda to offering tips on kidnapping. But it's
RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over
What obfuscation? I resent that. Obfuscation indeed. Not what I would call clarity, but I get the impression that this piece of writing is not being rated too highly. That's what I suspected Keith was saying, it just wasn't terribly clear. Nor was your response for that matter. I haven't been following the list too closely, but for some reason the posting for that book caught my eye. I followed the link, read about 10 pages and found the premise a bit intriguing, but also felt it seemed a bit apocalyptic. I was just curious to see what Keith and others thought of it. I still don't know exactly. What's wrong with asking for a little clarification? It was clear enough. What wasn't clear? Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. It's news to you that the industrialised countries, and particularly the US, behave like heroin addicts when it comes to fossil fuels? So many people here and elsewhere have said that. Stand between them and their oil and they'll kill you. It's Lesson 1 in biofuels and renewables that trying to substitute alternatives for the West's current energy use and future growth is a non-starter. It has to change. It's not sustainable in any way, and it's grossly inequitable, at the foundation of much or most of the injustice in today's world. It's anti-life. But that's what this guy wants. Have a look at what he says about biodiesel. Alternatives to oil: Fuels of the future or cruel hoaxes? LOL! The Twilight of the Modern World: Four Stages of Breakdown - This should give you some idea of what to expect as we slide down the downslope of energy production. Civilization as we know it is coming to end soon. The end of CAWKI, aarg! Food, Land, Population and the US Economy - Not enough food and land for the population is an extremely bad combination for the economy. Right (yawn). You'll find most of this stuff dispensed with in the archives. You don't know Jay Hanson? You're not missing much. Look it up. Take our heroin away and we'll all die. Todd's too kind - two out of five? I'd give it zilch. Hubbert's Peak meets The Day After Tomorrow. So what. I think there's a difference between asking for a little clarification and not paying attention and then yelling obfuscation. Keith Cheers, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over George, What part of They haven't even really started to think... or ...not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from... do you find difficult to understand and cryptic? Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what the process of read[ing] through a keyhole would be like - how narrow the view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply fear-mongering? Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html Free until US elections Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming and energy supply, and what we all know about how seriously, if that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right kind of grunting noises. I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. Best Keith ___ Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over
George, What it sounds more like is tht you have an inkling of an itching to pick a bone (stir up a debate?) with someone. It's not too terribly difficult to catch the drift of another if one hears what one is listening to, or in this case reading. Nothing wrong with a little clarification. Just pointing out that from this side of the keyhole the drift seemed to be pretty clear. I suppose one could always wait and see just exactly what the author's drift was intended to be. I think I know where I'd place my bets. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over Thanks Todd. You've removed about one degree of obfuscation. Not what I would call clarity, but I get the impression that this piece of writing is not being rated too highly. That's what I suspected Keith was saying, it just wasn't terribly clear. Nor was your response for that matter. I haven't been following the list too closely, but for some reason the posting for that book caught my eye. I followed the link, read about 10 pages and found the premise a bit intriguing, but also felt it seemed a bit apocalyptic. I was just curious to see what Keith and others thought of it. I still don't know exactly. What's wrong with asking for a little clarification? Cheers, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over George, What part of They haven't even really started to think... or ...not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from... do you find difficult to understand and cryptic? Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what the process of read[ing] through a keyhole would be like - how narrow the view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: George Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply fear-mongering? Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html Free until US elections Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming and energy supply, and what we all know about how seriously, if that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right kind of grunting noises. I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
University of Washington invents process to converts small trees to methanol 12-October-04 Source:The Spokesman-Review http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage1289.html Millions of scrawny, spindly trees choking Western forests could soon be harnessed as a clean source of renewable energy, according to researchers at the University of Washington. A process has been developed to quickly convert even the smallest trees and branches into methanol, which is used as a power source for fuel cell technology, said Kristiina Vogt, professor at the University of Washington's College of Forest Resources. All of this can be done without adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. Although the idea sounds too good to be true, Vogt insists Northwest forests could soon become an important national energy source. Apart from the energy, the process would help create new jobs and reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfire. You're going to see it in a couple of years, Vogt said. I'm serious. The technology is already available. We've got this huge resource, it's almost a no-brainer. Demonstration projects are planned for Republic and Forks, Wash., and on the Yakama Indian Reservation. The heart of the process involves converting previously unusable trees into wood alcohol. People have created methanol for more than 350 years, Vogt said, but the new technology is vastly more efficient and converts wood into liquid in a matter of minutes, leaving behind only mineral-laden ash, which can be used to fertilize the forest. Because the process has not yet been patented, Vogt did not want to discuss details. The methanol would then be used to power fuel cells, using a process developed by IdaTech, a company based in Bend, Ore. Fuel cells are essentially batteries that don't run down. They involve no combustion or moving parts, but rely on harnessing energy from hydrogen, which is the most abundant element in the universe. The byproduct of the reaction is pure water. Fuel cells are well past the level of science fiction, said Gary Schmitz, spokesman for the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, of Golden, Colo. Although automobiles and even laptop computers are being powered by fuel cells ö Toshiba recently developed a portable music player that can run for 20 hours on a half-teaspoon of methanol ö significant hurdles remain before the technology becomes widely used. Finding the most efficient source of hydrogen is a major question, Schmitz said. Energy also is needed to separate the hydrogen from a carrier liquid, such as diesel, methanol or ethanol. The National Renewable Energy Lab, which is one of the leaders in the Bush administration's $350 million effort to create a hydrogen economy, is focusing its efforts on using solar and wind to power fuel cells, Schmitz said. Everyone understands that the potential of hydrogen fuel cells is very great, yet we have a far way to go. Methanol from wood has been proved to be among the most efficient power sources for fuel cells, Vogt said. Most of the government's attention, however, has been on converting Midwestern crops into ethanol, which is less efficient than methanol. The agricultural lobby has been so strong, Vogt said. They haven't even been looking at wood. Western forests also are filled with an abundance of small trees that have little commercial value, said Michael Andreu, program coordinator for the University of Washington's bioenergy program. Currently, landowners pay to have their forests thinned. Someday, they will earn money selling their unwanted saplings, Andreu said, during a presentation Monday at an international forestry convention in Edmonton, Alberta. One ton of biomass ö anything from tree trunks to pine needles ö can be converted into 186 gallons of methanol, Andreu said. With 190 million acres of the West needing thinning, the amount of potential fuel is in the billions of gallons, he said. Extensive research is under way in Europe on transforming forest biomass into fuels. Sweden recently determined it could power 30 percent of its transportation system with bio-fuels. It's an amazing resource that's just standing out there, Andreu said. This can keep people working in the woods and rural economies viable. The University of Washington hopes to have demonstration projects under way in a year, Vogt said. Sustainable, environmentally friendly harvest techniques are key to the process, she added. Once the technology has been proved, Vogt envisions a future with many small biomass conversion plants and communities capable of generating their own power from the forest. It's going to be very soon, Vogt said. The technology already exists. This is reality already. It's not like this is a dream. Cost remains the biggest barrier, but rising oil prices and the increased instability in oil-supplying nations is changing that, said Edwin White, dean of research
Re: [Biofuel]Israeli commander empties his magazine on a teenage girl
Source: Independent.co.uk http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=571222 Army chief 'emptied his magazine' at girl in Gaza Two separate official investigations are under way into the fatal shooting of a 13-year-old girl in Gaza by the Israeli army after soldiers testified that their company commander emptied his magazine at her after she had been shot and was presumed dead. The army has already admitted that the killing of Iman al-Hams in the town of Rafah a week ago was a mistake and that her bag, which it says soldiers thought carried explosives, contained school books. Soldiers have come forward to explain that her body was riddled with 20 bullets because their immediate commander confirmed the killing by shooting two bullets at her already prone body before withdrawing a short distance and then firing a burst of automatic gunfire at the corpse. The Judge Advocate General, Brigadier General Avi Mandelblit, has instructed the military police to launch a criminal investigation against the commander in the Givati Brigade's crack Shaked Battalion as a result of the claim. Unusually, the investigation was ordered even though the army inquiry is incomplete. The move follows interviews with soldiers serving in the company published in the Israeli newspaper Yedhiot Ahronot . It quoted them as saying the commander should have been stood down immediately after the incident. One soldier told the newspaper: The company CO who sprayed the girl with bullets turned us all into vicious animals and besmirched us all ... If he is not dismissed, we will not agree to serve under him. Another said the commander had desecrated the body. According to figures produced by 11 UN agencies, 24 Palestinians under the age of 17 have been killed since 28 September when the army entered northern Gaza in response to the firing by Palestinian militants of two Qassam rockets which killed two Israeli children in Sderot. A nine-year-old girl was among 11 Palestinians killed in the Gaza Strip over the weekend. The investigations opened as security sources told the newspaper Haaretz that the Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, had rejected a request from army commanders to withdraw from the densely populated Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza on the grounds that the fortnight-old operation Days of Penitence was endangering troops and that militants had now removed rockets to positions outside the camp. Mr Sharon told the Knesset at the opening of what promises to be a difficult winter session for the government that it would be voting on 25 October on his plan to withdraw some 7,500 settlers from Gaza. The level of difficulty was underlined last night when the legislature opposed by 45 to 33 a routine motion noting Mr Sharon's speech. Although it does not threaten Mr Sharon's administration, the defeat emphasised the strong opposition to the plan from the extreme right of Israeli politics and from the far right of his own Likud party, seven of whose members abstained last night. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives )
have you checked your glow plugs? it sounds to me like they're going out. those systems are usually only kept on for about 9-12 seconds or so. if it's really cold then maybe longer, but i don't have any hard numbers. i only keep ours on for 9 to play it safe. in the winter i'll hold it in just a bit longer, but with the knowledge that i'm possibly damaging the plugs. if they are kept on too long then they WILL burn out. and these 6.2 plugs are especially susceptible to burn out, in my experience. i don't know why they can't build them more like the vw or peugeot ones... an hour or two is all i've ever needed on the block heaters, but i have no idea how many watts they pull. a fairly large diameter element, so it might be kinda high. i live in a maritime climate, so i don't see temps below -10C generally. that might make a difference for you. good luck erik --- Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been getting cooler here and we have some nights down in the 60's I have noticed the 6.2 Blazer getting a good bit harder to start, and I am having to hold the glow plug relay in about a full minute. All summer it only took about 15 to 30 seconds. This morning I had to do it twice. It looks like I may start plugging it in soon to keep it warm. Anybody have an idea of how many watts these block heaters pull? Wondering if it might be better to put it on a timer that goes off right before daylight? Then it warms in an hour or two.? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]Beaten Afgan bride
Source: The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/opinion/06kris.html?oref=login ÊÊÊ Beaten Afghan Brides By Nicholas D. Kristof The New York Times Wednesday 06 October 2004 Kabul - I had an inspiration about where Osama bin Laden might be hiding. But when I visited the women's detention center in Kabul, there was no sign of him. I did meet Ellaha, a bold 19-year-old prisoner who startled me by greeting me in English. (Like many Afghans, she uses only one name.) She had been attending college as a refugee in Iran when her family pulled her out, alarmed that education might corrupt a young lady's morals. Her family returned to Afghanistan, and she found work in a U.S. construction company, where her bosses were so impressed that they began arranging a scholarship for her to go to Canada to study. That horrified her family because the patriarchs had decided that she would marry her cousin. I didn't agree to marry him, she told me through an interpreter, because he is not educated and I don't like his job - he is a butcher. Plus, he's three years younger than me. When it was almost time for me to go to Canada, and I was asking about flights, she added, they tied me up and locked me in a room. It was in my uncle's house. My father said, 'O.K., beat her.' I'd never been beaten like that in all my life. My uncle and cousins were all beating me They broke my head, and I was bleeding. Ms. Ellaha's younger sister, who had been pledged to another cousin, was facing the same treatment. After a week of being tied up, the two sisters agreed to marry their cousins. So we went home, Ms. Ellaha added, and escaped. The two sisters moved into a cheap guesthouse as they prepared to flee Afghanistan. But their family learned where they were hiding, and the police came to arrest them. On what charge? It's because their lives were in danger, said Rana, the head of the detention center. Ms. Ellaha agrees that her family was pretty close to killing her. The sister is apparently back home, but I was not allowed to interview her. The police subjected Ms. Ellaha to a mandatory virginity test. Fortunately, her hymen was intact, or she would have faced a prison sentence. Now she worries that she will be released into her family's custody and then forced to marry her cousin. If that happens, she told me, I will kill myself. The entire jail is a kaleidoscope of woe. It's been two years since President Bush declared that in Afghanistan, Today, women are free. But that's news to the inmates. Nazilah, 17, had been married to an old man with tuberculosis who beat her - she was his second wife. She ran away and was picked up by the police. Now the authorities are figuring out whether they can return her to her husband's family without getting her killed. Then there is Sohailla, 18, who says she was kidnapped for three days by the family of a young man who wanted to marry her (the police suspect that she went to his house voluntarily). The police subjected her to a virginity test; after she failed, she got a three-year sentence for fornication. Inequality is so deeply embedded in this society that there are no easy solutions. In a new opinion poll in Afghanistan, 87 percent of those surveyed said women needed to ask their husbands' permission to vote. There was little difference in the answers of men and women. The best route to change is new schools, new clinics and more economic opportunity - and those steps are just what the lack of security is blocking in much of southern Afghanistan, the most traditional part of the country. Mr. Bush urgently needs to bolster security in rural areas in the south, so reconstruction projects can go ahead there. The liberation of Afghanistan from the Taliban was crucial, but only a first step. If this sounds like a gloomy assessment, it was reinforced when I located Ms. Ellaha's father, Said Jamil, a carpenter, and spoke to him on the street in his Kabul neighborhood. He told me that he was arranging for his daughter to be released to him - but he vowed that he would no longer allow her to be so free. He did promise me that he would not beat Ms. Ellaha or force her to marry her cousin. I asked him to show mercy toward his daughter, but I have a bad feeling about what lies ahead. This is how women are free in Afghanistan. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
oops, i wasn't quite clear enough on a couple things. with only one exception all the vehicles i'm talking about are 10+ years old ranging on up to around 25 years old. maybe they're just good quality? the older ones are all european diesels, which might well be part of the reason why they've done so well. i don't drive a lot compared to people in my area, (which i know is still extravagant by comparison with many parts of the world) but i live in the country and when i do drive 5 miles is the minimum, with 10-20 miles being more common. and we don't have extreme cold here so don't salt the roads, which would also help a lot. cars just last much longer here before rusting out. erik --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik, thanks. My impression is also that diesels do not have the same problems that petrol has. Maybe they are now making exhausts better that they used to only 10 years ago. This is a possibility since the introduction of catalysts for petrol in the UK. Nonetheless, my reaction to the mileages you state is that they are tremendous distances on unperforated original exhausts. I try top keep up to date on this by asking annual road worthiness test (MOT) mechanics their experience..which seems to be similar to mine. I'll ask more people here. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Lane Sent: 11 October 2004 23:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Rules for biofuels list ( was MAGNETS )
Greg, Many thanks. Accepted gratefully. Unfortunately, after just beginning to come to grips with the rules and Netiquette I'm afraid I'll have to leave the group. I got such great info' about biofuels I know that the time is not right to try to take Portsmouth Council in that direction at the moment, and I don't think that I'll be trying WVO in my european engines cars because of conversion kits, duplicate heated fuel tanks, and it is an offence here to use such fuel without paying fuel tax! This is my council PC and email address, and checking 50 - 60 emails a day is eating into my work time which ,I'm certain,my employer does not want. It was different when searching for biofuel info'. It is also different inviting other individuals and agencies to become partners with the city council in exploring the uses and benefits of KD420 and try to win internatinal awards.but not at the expense of so much work time, and besides , this can be done in other ways. Also, I can see you guys are committed biofuelers with a much more permanent solution to sustainable energy, and have little wish to add a 'mystery treatment' which may, or may not achieve any improvement. I recognize the committment to a 'natural' fuel that you can readily replace and 'sustain'. I am also on leave,vacation you guys say, for the next two weeks and I do not wish to have to check approx. 1,000 posts on my return. I will miss the knowledge and level of the debate so it is my intention to upgrade my home system to be able to handle the volume of post, and then ask to rejoin in my own time at home. Thanks again for your best intentioned advice, and also thanks for improving my IT awareness and skills. Lets just check I continue to learn..I now need to make a snip! Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives exhaust lifetimes)
Thanks Greg, those annual miles are typical of this country, UK. In my wife's case, trip to work is only 6 miles each way, shops and garage only 1 mile, supermarket = 3miles. Lowest annual miles = 4,924. In that year that car probably hardly ever ran 'hot'.Now more commonly 10=11k miles. In my case work trip 13 miles each way, much of it stop/start low gear driving. Annual miles 11-12 k. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 12 October 2004 16:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives ) Ok I, having checked with the wife, and she transferred me to policy service, they said between 10 k and 12 k miles a year. From the extremes you talked about to hot dry conditions. This is not for business use, but, for the basic family car. For business use, the person in policy service couldn't give me a anything exact ( based on their own exp. ) as they dealt in mostly in family type of insurance, but, said they have seen some industry statistics that say average number of miles driven for business use between 15k and 20k a year. Greg H. - snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel
it, and the MB has a primary and secondary filter at the engine compartment. The primary is an in-line type and teh secondary a spin-on small can type. Neither seemed to be blocked, although I thought the secondary had blocked and changed it, but the stalling problem returned. The filter that had been in there was one that MB put in when I had it gicven the twice over before leaving for holidays but then the stalling and choking occured. Two new filters, same problem, ergo not the filters. However ther still remains the question of the sediment filter at the tank which would make all the sense in the world as sediment is essentially what we would be dealing with when speaking of the cleansing abilities of BD. I just wish I knew where the dangfanit thing was located. I suppose I am a little more mechanically inclined than Bush is moral (as a point of referrence)but not by much, which means that the dealer gets to pile up vacation cash at my expense, unfortunately. Nor do I have any sort of facilities that afford me the space to work on a car. The indoor garage is off-limits to such ventures :( I shall find out today if they have started on it or not. Luc - Original Message - From: Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel Hi Luc I have 2 friends that have been running on bio for about 3 months now. They have both converted their trucks to have a CAV fuel filter which incorporates a glass bowl for examining sediments and this also has a drain screw for emptying those sediments. They have found that in the first 5000 km of driving that they needed to examine and drain/replace their filters and sediments bowls at about 100 km intervals. However now the system has stabilized. Most diesel vehicles have a sediment filter and a final filter. The sediment filter is usually located near the tank and that would be the one blocking on your MB. The final filter is a final safety measure to catch any fine particles that may have bypassed your sediment filter. If your final filter is blocked then particles may bypass it and then damage your injector pump. The fuel feed or return lines/pipes will never ever block in your situation. All the work can be done by an inexperienced paerson ie anybody and you appear to be wasting your time and money taking your MB to a dealer for repairs. All that you needed to do is clean both filter housings internally and replace both filter elements. The primary sediment filter element may need to be replaced and/or cleaned many times until your system is finally clean. What my friends also experience is small amounts of glycerine sedimenting out of the bio-diesel in the sediment filter which they visually spot and drain off. They simply check their sediment bowl visually every 500 km or so now. regards, Daniel 14. B100 Cleaning action (Legal Eagle) 15. RE: fuel additives (Erik Lane) 16. Re: fuel additives (Brian) Message: 14 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:26:48 -0400 From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone have any clear information on fuel tanks being affected in the use of B100, as in any documented experiences where the BD has dislodged residues which has resulted in a clogging of tank or fuel filters ? Thanks. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]Beaten Afgan bride
organisation for you.-please read with extreme sarcasm. The New York Times was one of the leaders in pushing for the illegal and immoral invasion of sovereign Iraq along with The Washington Post, and have, as such, relinquished any semblance of unbiased status. Their subsequent refusal to reverse direction after that the lie was made obviouslyclear is yet another indicator tha their position was not one based upon an innocent mistake from the disinformation brought out by the Office of Special Plans headed by the Zionist cabal in Washington. It was intentional and vicious. Intended to sway public opinion into supporting what they knew was a crime against humanity. These so-called news sources have to be taken with much more than a grain of salt whenever politically sensitive subjects are being covered by them. They have proven themselves to be nothing but propaganda arms for the US administration, not true and honest journalists, of which there are many many more outside the US mainstream than within it. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel]Beaten Afgan bride Source: The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/opinion/06kris.html?oref=login Beaten Afghan Brides By Nicholas D. Kristof The New York Times Wednesday 06 October 2004 Kabul - I had an inspiration about where Osama bin Laden might be hiding. But when I visited the women's detention center in Kabul, there was no sign of him. I did meet Ellaha, a bold 19-year-old prisoner who startled me by greeting me in English. (Like many Afghans, she uses only one name.) She had been attending college as a refugee in Iran when her family pulled her out, alarmed that education might corrupt a young lady's morals. Her family returned to Afghanistan, and she found work in a U.S. construction company, where her bosses were so impressed that they began arranging a scholarship for her to go to Canada to study. That horrified her family because the patriarchs had decided that she would marry her cousin. I didn't agree to marry him, she told me through an interpreter, because he is not educated and I don't like his job - he is a butcher. Plus, he's three years younger than me. When it was almost time for me to go to Canada, and I was asking about flights, she added, they tied me up and locked me in a room. It was in my uncle's house. My father said, 'O.K., beat her.' I'd never been beaten like that in all my life. My uncle and cousins were all beating me They broke my head, and I was bleeding. Ms. Ellaha's younger sister, who had been pledged to another cousin, was facing the same treatment. After a week of being tied up, the two sisters agreed to marry their cousins. So we went home, Ms. Ellaha added, and escaped. The two sisters moved into a cheap guesthouse as they prepared to flee Afghanistan. But their family learned where they were hiding, and the police came to arrest them. On what charge? It's because their lives were in danger, said Rana, the head of the detention center. Ms. Ellaha agrees that her family was pretty close to killing her. The sister is apparently back home, but I was not allowed to interview her. The police subjected Ms. Ellaha to a mandatory virginity test. Fortunately, her hymen was intact, or she would have faced a prison sentence. Now she worries that she will be released into her family's custody and then forced to marry her cousin. If that happens, she told me, I will kill myself. The entire jail is a kaleidoscope of woe. It's been two years since President Bush declared that in Afghanistan, Today, women are free. But that's news to the inmates. Nazilah, 17, had been married to an old man with tuberculosis who beat her - she was his second wife. She ran away and was picked up by the police. Now the authorities are figuring out whether they can return her to her husband's family without getting her killed. Then there is Sohailla, 18, who says she was kidnapped for three days by the family of a young man who wanted to marry her (the police suspect that she went to his house voluntarily). The police subjected her to a virginity test; after she failed, she got a three-year sentence for fornication. Inequality is so deeply embedded in this society that there are no easy solutions. In a new opinion poll in Afghanistan, 87 percent of those surveyed said women needed to ask their husbands' permission to vote. There was little difference in the answers of men and women. The best route to change is new schools, new clinics and more economic opportunity - and those steps are just what the lack of security is blocking in much of southern Afghanistan, the most traditional part of the country. Mr. Bush urgently needs to bolster security in rural areas in the south, so reconstruction projects can go ahead there. The liberation of Afghanistan from the Taliban was crucial, but only a first
RE: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives
The Uk is introducing a Euro directive (ELV ) End of Life Vehicles directive concerning de-pollution and recycling scrap cars. Govt study, prior to adopting this new legislation reports that the average age of an 'end of life ' car in the UK is 16.5 years. We obviously do have cars that last longer, that figure is only a national average, but you guys in warmer climes seem to be doing better than us. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Lane Sent: 13 October 2004 10:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives oops, i wasn't quite clear enough on a couple things. with only one exception all the vehicles i'm talking about are 10+ years old ranging on up to around 25 years old. maybe they're just good quality? the older ones are all european diesels, which might well be part of the reason why they've done so well. snip erik --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik, thanks. My impression is also that diesels do not have the same problems that petrol has. Maybe they are now making exhausts better that they used to only 10 years ago. snip mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Lane Sent: 11 October 2004 23:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
get used much. I do drive in Houston some of the time, for the occasional shopping trip to pick up what is not available locally, but most of my mileage is hiway. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:05 AM 10/12/2004, you wrote: Kim,it certainly seems very unusual to me.Also the brake pads. This obviously depends on where you are driving. I am in southern UK where people are very crammed together, the weather is often wet, and the roads are gritted and salted in winter. Where are you? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kim Garth Travis Sent: 12 October 2004 14:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Is it that unusual? My '92 honda has over 140,000 with the original exhaust and brake pads. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:16 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, and I think it is a statement of how clean exhaust emissions are from the fuel you use. My understanding is that exhausts not so much rust from the outside in, but rot from the inside out due to the presence of acidic combustion products from fossil fuels...these acidic products, I'm told, are reduced by this technology. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methane Digester
it is best to start small. Methane production does not affect the amount of compost you can make. After the effluent has passed through the digester, it goes to the compost pile. JTF has some really fantastic information on Methane digesters. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:23 AM 10/12/2004, you wrote: I was curious to know if anyone has any first hand experience with Methane Digesters. And if so, what size farm operation would be a minimum for generating a useful amount of gas? Keeping in mind that much of my small farm manure is currently used in composting and I wouldn't sacrifice that. However, over the next few years I will be increasing the amount of livestock. In addition, what sort of environmental impact might this have? Thank you, Tim F. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel
The racor spin on filters also have these sediment bowls, and drain valves. They also come with heating pads, and are available from many places including www.greasel.com = = = Original message = = = Where do you get these filters? Can they be ordered online? From granger? -Original Message- From: Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Cleaning Action of Bio-Diesel Hi Luc I have 2 friends that have been running on bio for about 3 months now. They have both converted their trucks to have a CAV fuel filter which incorporates a glass bowl for examining sediments and this also has a drain screw for emptying those sediments. They have found that in the first 5000 km of driving that they needed to examine and drain/replace their filters and sediments bowls at about 100 km intervals. However now the system has stabilized. Most diesel vehicles have a sediment filter and a final filter. The sediment filter is usually located near the tank and that would be the one blocking on your MB. The final filter is a final safety measure to catch any fine particles that may have bypassed your sediment filter. If your final filter is blocked then particles may bypass it and then damage your injector pump. The fuel feed or return lines/pipes will never ever block in your situation. All the work can be done by an inexperienced paerson ie anybody and you appear to be wasting your time and money taking your MB to a dealer for repairs. All that you needed to do is clean both filter housings internally and replace both filter elements. The primary sediment filter element may need to be replaced and/or cleaned many times until your system is finally clean. What my friends also experience is small amounts of glycerine sedimenting out of the bio-diesel in the sediment filter which they visually spot and drain off. They simply check their sediment bowl visually every 500 km or so now. regards, Daniel 14. B100 Cleaning action (Legal Eagle) 15. RE: fuel additives (Erik Lane) 16. Re: fuel additives (Brian) Message: 14 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:26:48 -0400 From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;~charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone have any clear information on fuel tanks being affected in the use of B100, as in any documented experiences where the BD has dislodged residues which has resulted in a clogging of tank or fuel filters ? Thanks. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
I'm trying to clarify for others that hydrogen, although a neat science fair experiment, is nowhere near practical for transportation, as your posts would have led the uninformed to believe. Keep experimenting and have fun with it, but please don't recommend it as a viable fuel. = = = Original message = = = At 05:38 PM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote: Walt, If I charge an EV from my solar panels, I can go twice as far than If I used that electric to electrolyze hydrogen, compress it, and burn it in a fuel cell. Not to mention the costs involved with the electrolyzer, the compressor, and the fuel cell far outweigh the cost of an EV. Now why would I be so foolish to throw away my expensive and high quality PV electric in such a manner? ~Beats me. I don't even understand why you're setting up and attacking arguments I'm not making; how foolish is that? ~PVs aren't the only game in town, although they do have their uses and are part of the energy mix we're working with. What we're looking at in this case is that we're looking at converting wind power to H2 and O2 and then piping that to point-of-use. We want the O2 to drive auto-thermal reformation of char; the use of the H2 is secondary. ~Now it may be more effective to use PSA or VSA technology to generate our O2, but we look forward to adding that option to our tool kit as well. ~Let me try and explain the car thing again. It's nice to have an EV that has a range of 100 miles, but that's not going to get us to the Big City and back again, so it would have to be classed here as a limited-use vehicle. It doesn't make economic sense for us to insure a vehicle that isn't capable of multi-use. ~We like the idea of being able to capture wind energy and then use it in a variety of ways. We're not going to channelize our energy program on the grounds of highest and best use since we care more about flexibility and diversity than we do about profitability and efficiency. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees
I really hope this is a technology that can be scaled down for home use. I have several trees ( and bushes ) in my yard that are causing problems, that I would like to turn into Methanol. Greg H. - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 02:17 Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol from Trees University of Washington invents process to converts small trees to methanol 12-October-04 Source:The Spokesman-Review http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage1289.html Millions of scrawny, spindly trees choking Western forests could soon be harnessed as a clean source of renewable energy, according to researchers at the University of Washington. A process has been developed to quickly convert even the smallest trees and branches into methanol, which is used as a power source for fuel cell technology, said Kristiina Vogt, professor at the University of Washington's College of Forest Resources. All of this can be done without adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. Although the idea sounds too good to be true, Vogt insists Northwest forests could soon become an important national energy source. Apart from the energy, the process would help create new jobs and reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfire. You're going to see it in a couple of years, Vogt said. I'm serious. The technology is already available. We've got this huge resource, it's almost a no-brainer. Demonstration projects are planned for Republic and Forks, Wash., and on the Yakama Indian Reservation. The heart of the process involves converting previously unusable trees into wood alcohol. People have created methanol for more than 350 years, Vogt said, but the new technology is vastly more efficient and converts wood into liquid in a matter of minutes, leaving behind only mineral-laden ash, which can be used to fertilize the forest. Because the process has not yet been patented, Vogt did not want to discuss details. The methanol would then be used to power fuel cells, using a process developed by IdaTech, a company based in Bend, Ore. Fuel cells are essentially batteries that don't run down. They involve no combustion or moving parts, but rely on harnessing energy from hydrogen, which is the most abundant element in the universe. The byproduct of the reaction is pure water. Fuel cells are well past the level of science fiction, said Gary Schmitz, spokesman for the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, of Golden, Colo. Although automobiles and even laptop computers are being powered by fuel cells - Toshiba recently developed a portable music player that can run for 20 hours on a half-teaspoon of methanol - significant hurdles remain before the technology becomes widely used. Finding the most efficient source of hydrogen is a major question, Schmitz said. Energy also is needed to separate the hydrogen from a carrier liquid, such as diesel, methanol or ethanol. The National Renewable Energy Lab, which is one of the leaders in the Bush administration's $350 million effort to create a hydrogen economy, is focusing its efforts on using solar and wind to power fuel cells, Schmitz said. Everyone understands that the potential of hydrogen fuel cells is very great, yet we have a far way to go. Methanol from wood has been proved to be among the most efficient power sources for fuel cells, Vogt said. Most of the government's attention, however, has been on converting Midwestern crops into ethanol, which is less efficient than methanol. The agricultural lobby has been so strong, Vogt said. They haven't even been looking at wood. Western forests also are filled with an abundance of small trees that have little commercial value, said Michael Andreu, program coordinator for the University of Washington's bioenergy program. Currently, landowners pay to have their forests thinned. Someday, they will earn money selling their unwanted saplings, Andreu said, during a presentation Monday at an international forestry convention in Edmonton, Alberta. One ton of biomass - anything from tree trunks to pine needles - can be converted into 186 gallons of methanol, Andreu said. With 190 million acres of the West needing thinning, the amount of potential fuel is in the billions of gallons, he said. Extensive research is under way in Europe on transforming forest biomass into fuels. Sweden recently determined it could power 30 percent of its transportation system with bio-fuels. It's an amazing resource that's just standing out there, Andreu said. This can keep people working in the woods and rural economies viable. The University of Washington hopes to have demonstration projects under way in a year, Vogt said. Sustainable, environmentally friendly harvest techniques are key to the process, she added. Once the technology has been proved, Vogt envisions a future with many small biomass conversion plants and communities capable of
Re: [Biofuel] The Oil Age is Over
on 10/12/04 10:23 PM, Keith Addison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's news to you that the industrialised countries, and particularly the US, behave like heroin addicts when it comes to fossil fuels? So many people here and elsewhere have said that. Stand between them and their oil and they'll kill you. It's Lesson 1 in biofuels and renewables that trying to substitute alternatives for the West's current energy use and future growth is a non-starter. It has to change. It's not sustainable in any way, and it's grossly inequitable, at the foundation of much or most of the injustice in today's world. It's anti-life. But that's what this guy wants. I haven't read the book, but I'm going through several others that hve a somewhat apocalyptic bent (Heinberg's books, Lester Brown's Plan B, and Klare's new Blood and Oil). In fairness to this guy, who certainly hasn't thought it thru like the illustrious authors just named, he may not so much WANT to replace fossil fuels gallon for gallon with something else, as BELIEVE that the American leaders will want that, and so will rape and pillage the rest of the world until they extract the very last drop of oil for their own personal use. Now THAT might mean the end of civilization, however unnecessary... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]Israeli commander empties his magazine on a teenage girl
The man is obviously consumed with hate. To kill children requires a profound detachment of the spirit. There will be no progress until Sharon is replaced someone more moderate. He is a modern day Stalin. Kirk fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source: Independent.co.uk http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=571222 Army chief 'emptied his magazine' at girl in Gaza Two separate official investigations are under way into the fatal shooting of a 13-year-old girl in Gaza by the Israeli army after soldiers testified that their company commander emptied his magazine at her after she had been shot and was presumed dead. The army has already admitted that the killing of Iman al-Hams in the town of Rafah a week ago was a mistake and that her bag, which it says soldiers thought carried explosives, contained school books. Soldiers have come forward to explain that her body was riddled with 20 bullets because their immediate commander confirmed the killing by shooting two bullets at her already prone body before withdrawing a short distance and then firing a burst of automatic gunfire at the corpse. The Judge Advocate General, Brigadier General Avi Mandelblit, has instructed the military police to launch a criminal investigation against the commander in the Givati Brigade's crack Shaked Battalion as a result of the claim. Unusually, the investigation was ordered even though the army inquiry is incomplete. The move follows interviews with soldiers serving in the company published in the Israeli newspaper Yedhiot Ahronot . It quoted them as saying the commander should have been stood down immediately after the incident. One soldier told the newspaper: The company CO who sprayed the girl with bullets turned us all into vicious animals and besmirched us all ... If he is not dismissed, we will not agree to serve under him. Another said the commander had desecrated the body. According to figures produced by 11 UN agencies, 24 Palestinians under the age of 17 have been killed since 28 September when the army entered northern Gaza in response to the firing by Palestinian militants of two Qassam rockets which killed two Israeli children in Sderot. A nine-year-old girl was among 11 Palestinians killed in the Gaza Strip over the weekend. The investigations opened as security sources told the newspaper Haaretz that the Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, had rejected a request from army commanders to withdraw from the densely populated Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza on the grounds that the fortnight-old operation Days of Penitence was endangering troops and that militants had now removed rockets to positions outside the camp. Mr Sharon told the Knesset at the opening of what promises to be a difficult winter session for the government that it would be voting on 25 October on his plan to withdraw some 7,500 settlers from Gaza. The level of difficulty was underlined last night when the legislature opposed by 45 to 33 a routine motion noting Mr Sharon's speech. Although it does not threaten Mr Sharon's administration, the defeat emphasised the strong opposition to the plan from the extreme right of Israeli politics and from the far right of his own Likud party, seven of whose members abstained last night. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives exhaust lifetimes)
I don't know if it is legal for you folks over on the other side of the pond, but, having talked to several people, I have been told that ATF ( Automatic Transmition Fluid ) will burn hotter than standard diesel, perhaps you can add 1/2 - 3/4 liter or so to each tank full of diesel to allow the vehicle to run ' hot ' more often, or at least check into it as a fuel supplement. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 04:34 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives exhaust lifetimes) Thanks Greg, those annual miles are typical of this country, UK. In my wife's case, trip to work is only 6 miles each way, shops and garage only 1 mile, supermarket = 3miles. Lowest annual miles = 4,924. In that year that car probably hardly ever ran 'hot'.Now more commonly 10=11k miles. In my case work trip 13 miles each way, much of it stop/start low gear driving. Annual miles 11-12 k. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Dear Spence, Well said, although I heard there is a hydrogen fueling station under construction in Bay Area, Californa. By the way, I am helping http://www.owec.com/ with an Ocean Wave Energy project. I am seeking DOE grants or other seed captial for this man. Does anyone know of special programs or grants/seed money for Ocean Energy. My part is to help him with system engineering in the form of real time data acquisiton, control algorithms, and hardware/software in a water tight environment. But Foerd needs some help to come up with capital. Let me know = Thanks = P. Wolfe --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to clarify for others that hydrogen, although a neat science fair experiment, is nowhere near practical for transportation, as your posts would have led the uninformed to believe. Keep experimenting and have fun with it, but please don't recommend it as a viable fuel. = = = Original message = = = At 05:38 PM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote: Walt, If I charge an EV from my solar panels, I can go twice as far than If I used that electric to electrolyze hydrogen, compress it, and burn it in a fuel cell. Not to mention the costs involved with the electrolyzer, the compressor, and the fuel cell far outweigh the cost of an EV. Now why would I be so foolish to throw away my expensive and high quality PV electric in such a manner? ~Beats me. I don't even understand why you're setting up and attacking arguments I'm not making; how foolish is that? ~PVs aren't the only game in town, although they do have their uses and are part of the energy mix we're working with. What we're looking at in this case is that we're looking at converting wind power to H2 and O2 and then piping that to point-of-use. We want the O2 to drive auto-thermal reformation of char; the use of the H2 is secondary. ~Now it may be more effective to use PSA or VSA technology to generate our O2, but we look forward to adding that option to our tool kit as well. ~Let me try and explain the car thing again. It's nice to have an EV that has a range of 100 miles, but that's not going to get us to the Big City and back again, so it would have to be classed here as a limited-use vehicle. It doesn't make economic sense for us to insure a vehicle that isn't capable of multi-use. ~We like the idea of being able to capture wind energy and then use it in a variety of ways. We're not going to channelize our energy program on the grounds of highest and best use since we care more about flexibility and diversity than we do about profitability and efficiency. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]Beaten Afgan bride
It is quite possible the story is true. 500 years ago the story could have been true in continental Europe or England. Our enlightenment is quite recent actually and even now is incomplete. Our willingness to hurt each other transcends reason. We used to burn women alive and think it a good deed. Truly psychotic behavior but it was socially acceptable. We need to acknowledge Muslim women have few rights and proceed from there. If the best is not ahead of us then we are a lost and pitiful people. Kirk Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The New York Times, now there's an unbiased, truthful news reporting organisation for you.-please read with extreme sarcasm. The New York Times was one of the leaders in pushing for the illegal and immoral invasion of sovereign Iraq along with The Washington Post, and have, as such, relinquished any semblance of unbiased status. Their subsequent refusal to reverse direction after that the lie was made obviouslyclear is yet another indicator tha their position was not one based upon an innocent mistake from the disinformation brought out by the Office of Special Plans headed by the Zionist cabal in Washington. It was intentional and vicious. Intended to sway public opinion into supporting what they knew was a crime against humanity. These so-called news sources have to be taken with much more than a grain of salt whenever politically sensitive subjects are being covered by them. They have proven themselves to be nothing but propaganda arms for the US administration, not true and honest journalists, of which there are many many more outside the US mainstream than within it. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel]Beaten Afgan bride Source: The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/06/opinion/06kris.html?oref=login Beaten Afghan Brides By Nicholas D. Kristof The New York Times Wednesday 06 October 2004 Kabul - I had an inspiration about where Osama bin Laden might be hiding. But when I visited the women's detention center in Kabul, there was no sign of him. I did meet Ellaha, a bold 19-year-old prisoner who startled me by greeting me in English. (Like many Afghans, she uses only one name.) She had been attending college as a refugee in Iran when her family pulled her out, alarmed that education might corrupt a young lady's morals. Her family returned to Afghanistan, and she found work in a U.S. construction company, where her bosses were so impressed that they began arranging a scholarship for her to go to Canada to study. That horrified her family because the patriarchs had decided that she would marry her cousin. I didn't agree to marry him, she told me through an interpreter, because he is not educated and I don't like his job - he is a butcher. Plus, he's three years younger than me. When it was almost time for me to go to Canada, and I was asking about flights, she added, they tied me up and locked me in a room. It was in my uncle's house. My father said, 'O.K., beat her.' I'd never been beaten like that in all my life. My uncle and cousins were all beating me They broke my head, and I was bleeding. Ms. Ellaha's younger sister, who had been pledged to another cousin, was facing the same treatment. After a week of being tied up, the two sisters agreed to marry their cousins. So we went home, Ms. Ellaha added, and escaped. The two sisters moved into a cheap guesthouse as they prepared to flee Afghanistan. But their family learned where they were hiding, and the police came to arrest them. On what charge? It's because their lives were in danger, said Rana, the head of the detention center. Ms. Ellaha agrees that her family was pretty close to killing her. The sister is apparently back home, but I was not allowed to interview her. The police subjected Ms. Ellaha to a mandatory virginity test. Fortunately, her hymen was intact, or she would have faced a prison sentence. Now she worries that she will be released into her family's custody and then forced to marry her cousin. If that happens, she told me, I will kill myself. The entire jail is a kaleidoscope of woe. It's been two years since President Bush declared that in Afghanistan, Today, women are free. But that's news to the inmates. Nazilah, 17, had been married to an old man with tuberculosis who beat her - she was his second wife. She ran away and was picked up by the police. Now the authorities are figuring out whether they can return her to her husband's family without getting her killed. Then there is Sohailla, 18, who says she was kidnapped for three days by the family of a young man who wanted to marry her (the police suspect that she went to his house voluntarily). The police subjected her to a virginity test; after she failed, she got a three-year sentence for fornication. Inequality is so deeply embedded
Re: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives
Hey Don, several times in the past on this list, it has been shown that the energy needed ( and the pollution that goes with it ) to make a new car, is higher that what it takes to keep an older vehicle running ( with proper maintenance ). I saw that article, and couldn't help but think that it was a step backwards. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 05:12 Subject: RE: Exhaust Vehicle Life , was [Biofuel] fuel additives The Uk is introducing a Euro directive (ELV ) End of Life Vehicles directive concerning de-pollution and recycling scrap cars. Govt study, prior to adopting this new legislation reports that the average age of an 'end of life ' car in the UK is 16.5 years. We obviously do have cars that last longer, that figure is only a national average, but you guys in warmer climes seem to be doing better than us. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Yes, there si a hydrogen fueling station being built (with taxpayers money) so Arnold has a place to fill up his hummer. That way he can pretend to be green . It cannot stand on it's own, fiscally. = = = Original message = = = Dear Spence, Well said, although I heard there is a hydrogen fueling station under construction in Bay Area, Californa. By the way, I am helping http://www.owec.com/ with an Ocean Wave Energy project. I am seeking DOE grants or other seed captial for this man. Does anyone know of special programs or grants/seed money for Ocean Energy. My part is to help him with system engineering in the form of real time data acquisiton, control algorithms, and hardware/software in a water tight environment. But Foerd needs some help to come up with capital. Let me know = Thanks = P. Wolfe --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to clarify for others that hydrogen, although a neat science fair experiment, is nowhere near practical for transportation, as your posts would have led the uninformed to believe. Keep experimenting and have fun with it, but please don't recommend it as a viable fuel. = = = Original message = = = At 05:38 PM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote: Walt, If I charge an EV from my solar panels, I can go twice as far than If I used that electric to electrolyze hydrogen, compress it, and burn it in a fuel cell. Not to mention the costs involved with the electrolyzer, the compressor, and the fuel cell far outweigh the cost of an EV. Now why would I be so foolish to throw away my expensive and high quality PV electric in such a manner? ~Beats me. I don't even understand why you're setting up and attacking arguments I'm not making; how foolish is that? ~PVs aren't the only game in town, although they do have their uses and are part of the energy mix we're working with. What we're looking at in this case is that we're looking at converting wind power to H2 and O2 and then piping that to point-of-use. We want the O2 to drive auto-thermal reformation of char; the use of the H2 is secondary. ~Now it may be more effective to use PSA or VSA technology to generate our O2, but we look forward to adding that option to our tool kit as well. ~Let me try and explain the car thing again. It's nice to have an EV that has a range of 100 miles, but that's not going to get us to the Big City and back again, so it would have to be classed here as a limited-use vehicle. It doesn't make economic sense for us to insure a vehicle that isn't capable of multi-use. ~We like the idea of being able to capture wind energy and then use it in a variety of ways. We're not going to channelize our energy program on the grounds of highest and best use since we care more about flexibility and diversity than we do about profitability and efficiency. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ~~ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Hydrogen economy looks out of reach
Hydrogen economy looks out of reach Mark Peplow 07 October 2004 http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041004/pf/041004-13_pf.html US vehicles would require a million wind turbines, economists claim. Converting every vehicle in the United States to hydrogen power would demand so much electricity that the country would need enough wind turbines to cover half of California or 1,000 extra nuclear power stations. So concludes a British economist, whose calculation is intended to highlight the difficulties of achieving a truly green hydrogen economy. This calculation is useful to make people realize what an enormous problem we face, says Andrew Oswald, an economist from the University of Warwick. The hydrogen economy has been touted as a replacement for fossil fuels, which release carbon dioxide when burnt, thus contributing to global warming. Burning hydrogen produces only water. Most hydrogen is currently made from methane, in a process that releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Splitting water molecules with electricity generates hydrogen - but the electricity is likely to have been generated from fossil fuels. Although this may shift urban pollution to out-of-town electricity plants, it makes little difference to greenhouse-gas output. Today, hydrogen is not a clean, green fuel, says Oswald's brother Jim, an energy consultant who assisted with the calculation. You've got to ask: where did the hydrogen come from? The only technology that can currently make large amounts of hydrogen without using fossil fuels relies on renewable power sources or nuclear energy, the Oswalds argue. Hydrogen will only mitigate global warming when a clean source of the gas becomes available, they say. Unpopular options The duo considered the United Kingdom and the United States. Transport accounts for about one third of each country's energy consumption. UK transport uses only a tenth as much energy as the United States, but there is less land available: the hydrogen switch would require 100,000 wind turbines, enough to occupy an area greater than Wales. It's unlikely that enough turbines could ever be built, says Jim Oswald. On the other hand, public opposition to nuclear energy deters many politicians. I suspect we will do nothing, because all the options are so unpopular. I don't think we'll ever have a true hydrogen economy. The outlook is extremely bleak, he adds. The brothers outline their calculation in the current issue of Accountancy magazine. Hydrogen is not a near-term prospect, agrees Paul Ekins, an energy economist at the Policy Studies Institute, London. There will have to be a few fundamental breakthroughs in technology first, he says. Politicians eager to promote their green credentials, yet unaware of the realities, have oversold the hydrogen dream, says Ekins. I'm amazed by the number of politicians who think you can dig hydrogen out of the ground, he says. However, he thinks that the Oswalds are too pessimistic about the possibilities of new technology. An enormous amount of attention is being paid to generating hydrogen cleanly, he says. If we could trap the carbon dioxide produced by fossil fuels underground, we could convert them to hydrogen, says Ekins. It's not tried and tested, but it's a possibility. And it could become a reality by the time we have enough hydrogen-powered cars to make it necessary, he says. So do the Oswalds have a more immediate answer to the hydrogen problem? We could always use less energy, but that doesn't seem very likely, Jim Oswald says ruefully. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] [Biofuels] Hydrogen or Biofuels?
Hydrogen or Biofuels? September / October 2004 By Amory Lovins and David Morris Utne magazine http://www.utne.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.display.printable?client.id=utnestory.id=11334 Two experts go head-to-head on the future of energy In our January-February 2004 issue, we reprinted from Alternet an essay by local-economy advocate David Morris, vice president of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, in which he takes aim at the advocates of a hydrogen-based economy, asserting, among other things, that because large energy interests are poised to dominate the process of generating hydrogen from substances like gas, oil, and coal, the push to hydrogen will actually be a setback for renewable energy from wind power, biomass, and other sources. Energy analyst Amory B. Lovins, CEO of the Rocky Mountain Institute in Snowmass, Colorado, and a prominent advocate of hydrogen fuel cell technology, responds. FROM AMORY LOVINS In voicing skepticism about the role of hydrogen in our energy future, my valued friend David Morris makes several points: He is understandably frustrated that hydrogen will initially be made mainly from natural gas, as 96 percent of U.S. hydrogen is now. But he wrongly thinks this will waste energy and increase carbon dioxide emissions. Because fuel cells are two to three times more efficient than gasoline engines, CO2 per mile will actually drop by 40 to 67 percent compared with today's gasoline cars -- and much more with efficient car designs. He's irritated that nuclear advocates claim they'll be the hydrogen producers. But they won't be -- their option costs far too much. He's worried that hydrogen might come from coal. This is a real possibility later, but by then we will have good ways to keep the carbon out of the air. Because General Motors likes fuel cells, he assumes that car and oil companies are preparing for an oil-based hydrogen future. Generally, they're not. He thinks hydrogen will be too costly to distribute. Wrong -- the Swiss study he cites [which claimed that the compacting of this very light and diffuse element for storage and transport is too costly and energy-intensive] considered only the clearly uneconomic options and ignored hydrogen's advantage of more efficient use. He thinks a hydrogen transition will need hundreds of billions of dollars of new infrastructure. This is a vast overestimate. He doesn't recognize hydrogen's important potential to accelerate the adoption of renewable energy. Many environmentalists suspect the Bush administration's enthusiasm for hydrogen serves mainly to distract attention from the short-term energy steps they're unwilling to take. It's impossible to tell from the outside whether that's true or not, but if it is, this self-inflicted wound is not a reason to reject a sound hydrogen transition as a complementary part of a broader energy strategy starting with aggressive efficiency, renewable energy, and distributed resources. Many other good and usually well-informed people have written similar critiques of hydrogen. A well-documented response, Twenty Hydrogen Myths, is free at http://www.rmi.org FROM DAVID MORRIS My esteemed colleague Amory Lovins and I agree and disagree. We both focus on the transportation sector. We both favor a dramatic improvement in vehicle efficiency and the replacement of gasoline with a domestically produced, environmentally benign fuel. We disagree on how to achieve these objectives. Amory advocates fuel cell vehicles that run on hydrogen. I propose hybrid electric vehicles fueled by electricity and biofuels like ethanol. I believe my strategy is far cheaper and far quicker to implement than Amory's. Hybrid vehicles, which use electric motors as well as an engine for power, are commercially available. They already achieve fuel efficiencies as great as those promised by fuel cell cars. With modest modifications, hybrids can be made to plug into the electric grid to charge their batteries. That allows electricity to become their primary fuel and reduces by some 85 percent the amount of fuel needed by the engine. In turn, this allows us to think of biofuels like ethanol as replacements for gasoline rather than, as now, simply additives to it. Unlike hydrogen, ethanol is already widely available. Ethanol is half the price of hydrogen today and may have a still lower price a decade from now. Cars that operate on either ethanol or gasoline -- or any combination of the two -- can be made at an additional cost of $150 per vehicle. More than 4 million are on the road right now. The most optimistic estimate of the additional cost for a fuel cell car in 2015 is $10,000; most estimates are considerably higher. Ethanol refueling stations cost 90 percent less than hydrogen refueling stations. Hydrogen advocates should be applauded for proposing a solution commensurate with the problem. But a better strategy exists.
