[biofuel] Need shoes?
Have an old tire? Follow this link: http://www.hollowtop.com/sandals.htm You can figure out the rest. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propagate.
Myles Twete wrote: Maybe some day they'll ban nettles, hops and flax because they're just too closely related to evil weeds. Don't give them any ideas. The Religious Right is always looking for new things to prohibit. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Space shuttle
Andrew Lowe wrote: Not to belittle what has happened, but a little something to put the shuttle incident into context http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/02/1044122251403.html Indeed. And add to that the 40,000 or so people killed in traffic accidents in the USA every year. But still, there will be 7 more names added to the Heroes Wall at Kennedy Space Center, and, given the circumstances, I wouldn't have it any other way. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Sorghum or Seed Beer?
waljaco wrote: Slightly off topic, but no doubt there are many out there in 'Sorghum Country' making ethanol fuel that might know the answer. I have seen several mentions of a US homemade beer in the ginger ale category, where sorhum seed was added. Does anyone know the recipe? A better place to ask this question would be the newsgroup rec.crafts.brewing. Lots of brewing wisdom on that group. As I recall, there is a small group of people there that experiment with brewing beer from non traditional grains, and sorghum is one of them. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen?
Keith Addison wrote: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14959 Is Big Energy Hijacking Hydrogen? Wrong tense. Big Energy has hijacked hydrogen. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Africa 'turns from leaded petrol'
Keith Addison wrote: [snip] No worries Rob de Jong, Unep's urban environment programme officer, said: Many people who drive older cars are convinced they will suffer engine damage if they fill up with unleaded fuel. But this really is not the case. Only under the extreme conditions of a laboratory test can effects be seen. In the real world, under normal motoring conditions prevailing in Africa, unleaded petrol works as well if not better in most if not all vehicles. Indeed, in most vehicles unleaded fuel should work _better_. They should find that with unleaded fuel they won't need to change their oil as often, and they should have fewer valve problems, spark plug fouling problems, and sticky ring problems. And grey paint sludge will be a thing of the past. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Liquid Fuels vs. Electric Fuel
Darryl McMahon wrote: Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, this is the only way to make a grid chargeable hybrid practical. If you're not going to use the genset, if you're planning to not need the genset, then why waste your valuable battery energy lugging it around? Because all such designs are compromises. You may not always know in advance when you will have to make the extended trip. The trailer takes up space when not hooked up to the car. The trailer is a pain when it is hooked up to the car. Indeed. I guess each person would have to evaluate for himself whether or not to go with a trailer version. The electric drive train is zero emissions. Um, well, emissions elsewhere, but then that's a point which has already been argued ad nauseum in this forum. The catch is the currently affordable batteries don't have nearly the energy/weight ratio of liquid fuels like gasoline and diesel. And indeed probably never will. An ICE that will produce 10 hp is a lot smaller than one that produces 200 hp. And if it only needed to produce its 10 hp at one specific RPM, as to drive a generator, then it could be tuned to produce its power much more efficiently than a conventional engine. It should not have to be all that heavy or large. My estimate right now is a bit more space than a full size spare and the weight of about 3 golf-cart batteries to provide range extension in the order of 400 km between refuelings. Yes, around 200 pounds was what I figured for a ~8kw genset. Square off the full size spare well, and I think I can see how it could be made to fit. And now instead of a trailer you have a power module that could still be left behind and operated without for a limited range. I can understand how that would work. The overall vehicle will be lighter, because it will have about half the battery mass that the pure electric version would have had, mostly because there are trips that are longer than average, Now I see your point. or sometimes the outlet at the work end of the commute does not work. Indeed. But here again, each person will have to evaluate the various elements of the compromise for himself. For myself, I'd still lean more toward the pure EV with an easily attached trailer for longer trips. My commute is around 15 miles one way, so the resulting 30 mile round trip would be well within the capability of most EV's, and I wouldn't need the top up charge while at work. Add to that that I very rarely have to make unplanned trips on workdays, and my grid charged EV wouldn't even have to lug around a trailer or power module most of the time. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Instant death
James Slayden wrote: as if crotch-rockets weren't death BB's already . And if one of those turns you on then one of these http://www.bosshosscycle.com/502.html will turn you on for a whole lot less money. 500 hp motorcycle? Really, it's been done, guys. And this one managed it with only _two_ wheels. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Detroit resurrects gas-thirsty sports cars
Keith Addison wrote: DETROIT - Brushing aside pleas for better fuel economy, Detroit's two largest automakers will add some excitement to their lineups this year by selling gas guzzler sports cars whose high fuel consumption requires buyers to pay federal taxes of up to $7,700. [snip] Further proof of the old adage that power and glamor sell, but boring things like safety and efficiency don't. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] In Europe, the case of the missing sparrows csmonitor.com
kirk wrote: Clues in the petrol? But if so why not in all towns? This could be the canary in the coal mine. Uh oh. What have we done now? Kirk [snip] This is interesting. Here in Pinellas County, Florida, sparrows used to be common as flies. I really hadn't thought about it, but I haven't seen any lately. In fact I haven't seen any in quite a while. So I went looking for some yesterday. None. Pidgeons and doves all over the place. Crows, ospreys, ducks, hot and cold running wading birds, blackbirds, grackles, a couple of really annoying bluejays, parrots, mockingbirds, and 3 flavors of finches, but no sparrows. The Clearwater campus of St. Petersburg College used to be thick with them, but I didn't find any there either. Where have all the sparrows gone? AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The American choice Was: Food for thought
csakima wrote: [snip] And oh, BTW if you're in Florida ... watch those so-called chads. No need. We got rid of the Votamatic machines, and the punch cards with them. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] industrial livestock husbandry
Keith Addison wrote: Alan S. Petrillo wrote: Or age it. But then aging meat the old fashioned way is not FDA approved. On the other hand, this is USDA-approved: Feces, vomit on raw meat a growing risk -- WASHINGTON (Reuters) - [snip] This kind of reminds me of another Reuters piece I read some time ago that made me really glad I don't go swimming in water parks. Most people don't clean themselves very well after moving their bowels. For this reason, at a typical water park, 2 - 3 pounds of fecal contamination will be added to the filter system every day. Um... Ew! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Revised Alert On Fish
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/01/06/TampaBay/Revised_alert_on_fish.shtml Yet another thing we can thank Florida Power and Light, Florida Power, and TECO for. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] industrial livestock husbandry
Hakan Falk wrote: No I stop hunting many years ago. As a youngster I hunted with my grandfather and later with others in the northern parts of Sweden. It was mainly hunting that was dictated by the needs to keep a balance in nature and needed knowledge and respect. It was a feeling of doing something useful and at the same time getting some good food. When I was in my late 20th, I was invited to some hunting, mainly Elk. This kind of pleasure hunting was so disgusting for me, that I have not hunted since then. The partying atmosphere and in some cases lack of respect for security did not appeal to me. I could not see any reason of celebrating the killing of animals. It was not my way, even if it also was a necessary part of keeping a balanced nature. There are enough of them who likes it, so my participation is not called for. You went hunting with the wrong people. The party atmosphere is one thing, because a hunting camp is a place for people to be happy and to have a good time. But certainly there needs to be respect for the game. If there isn't then that's a problem. One thing I can certainly say: I don't go near public lands during the first week of general gun hunting season. I did that once, and got a good and there I was story out of it, and that was enough for me. Too many city hunters out there who measure their hunting time by how many beers they've drunk. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: industrial livestock husbandry
Hakan Falk wrote: I am very sorry a typo, of course it should be Moose in American. I know that the American Elk (looks more like a big reindeer) is not an Elk in English. Confusing since in Europe Elk is Elk in English also and as you pointed out Alce in Latin languages, but Moose in American language. The problem is that American nor English are my native languages and I often make typos or incorrect constructions in on-line discussions. Ah the wonderful world of misalligned referents. Isn't language an interesting thing? I have always made the distinction between Americans and American politics/international behavior. I want to make it clear that my experiences from Americans are that they are nice, are hospitable, are not arrogant like French or English, are generous(opposite to greedy) , respect successes, are nationalists, have normally little knowledge about the rest of the world, are very fond of toys, have a double moral about sex and religion, are measuring success in money and possessions, are proud of America, are very political and a fun loving people. I have also said that I cannot generalize, because my American friends do know more and are interested in the rest of the world. On the subject of energy waste and waste in general, the Americans are the best in the world. On belittle their own country, they are also the best and difficult to beat. Hakan, I'd say you have a more accurate picture of Americans than most of us do of ourselves. My compliments. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: industrial livestock husbandry,apology toHakan
Hakan Falk wrote: [snip] Politics/corporations that are naive, careless, based on short term profits and irresponsible, YES, but greedy no. I see the quarterly profit fixation in US as more of seeking social acceptance than greed. It is also a historical burden from the great depression. Yes and no. Part of it is, to be sure, a psychological leftover from the great depression. But a bigger part of it is the construction of the Public Corporation. A couple of years ago a friend of mine wrote a good rant against public corporations. It's posted somewhere in his weblog. http://baylink.pitas.com If you can find it you're better than I am. The gist if it is this: The Public Corporation has become bad because the stockholders are only interested in their stock performance and nothing else. The CEO of the corporation is required to be concerned only with the bottom line. On the positive side of the equasion, if a CEO produces good performance and good proffits for the corporation he will get fat bonuses. But if he fails to produce high proffits and high stock prices then the stock holders can sue him. Not just fire him, but sue him for damages to recover money they think they should have made from their stock. And in some cases they can even file criminal charges and put him in jail. For this reason CEO's will ruthlessly do whatever they can to increase the corporation's proffits even if it means selling worthless products, ruining the environment, destroying people's lives, and corrupting governments. It is a system of institutionalized greed that has gone far beyond the original intent of the public corporation. This is perhaps painting public corporations with a broad brush, but it is more often than not accurate. And the American mantra of the late 1980's and early 1990's was Greed Is Good. And now years later we are paying the price. Sorry, Hakan, but I have to disagree with you. Naive, careless, based on short term profits and irresponsible, YES, but greedy _YES_. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] industrial livestock husbandry
Hakan Falk wrote: [snip] Regarding Salmon, I will publish my recipe on marinated salmon with an excellent sauce to go with it, if anyone is interested. Only have to write it down the next time I do it. Interested! Salmon is one of my favorite fish. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] industrial livestock husbandry
kirk wrote: I headshoot mine. They drop like a sack of hammers. Like flipping the switch. Here -- gone. I usually go for heart/lung shots. I'd rather take the high percentage shot and loose some meat than take a chance on wounding an animal. And I'll wait for the high percentage shot. If I'm not 100.0% sure I can make it then I don't take it. Particularly if I'm out during archery season. I'll wait until the animal is within 20 yards, because I know I can hit accurately at that distance. I watch morons gut shoot because the animal is running and they are firing off hand. Opinion seconded. But then people can do really stupid things when in the grips of buck fever. Stomach juices and who knows what and there is no water to wash. Many animals are cold by the time they are washed. Sour blood, feces etc. Pathetic. :( What's just as bad is the magnumitis that afflicts some hunters. They'll go out with equipment that is ridiculously overpowered for the game that they're after. And what they'll wind up with is an animal that is killed, cleaned, and cooked in one shot. They'll waste a quarter of the meat because it will be bloodshot. I have heard of pineapple or papaya tenderizing. Didn't know kiwi did it too. Mango works as well. Overnight in wine does nice things too. Oh, yes! Very nice things! Unfortunately, my girlfriend doesn't care for meat cooked with wine. :-( AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] OT: where to discuss farming and nutrition issues
murdoch wrote: I have a question as to some food storage issues, and wonder if there's a good place where people here go to discuss such matters, aside from the occasional off-topic post here. Have a look at Native Nutrition list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/native-nutrition AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] GM rethinks hydrogen fuel cells
murdoch wrote: I'm a little confused. I thought that GM has announced having to turn to Toyota for hybrid technology to bring these hybrids out. But in this USA Today presentation, no mention seems to be made of that, and at the end GM comes off as some sort of supposed innovator in the field. Ah, the wonderful world of joint ventures. The concept of grid-chargeable hybrids isn't mentioned but I think it is on the minds of many activists. Once a hybrid owner has the chance to drive on Electricity alone, he or she might well be interested in a pure EV. At the least it allows petroleum-free operation. At present none are offered to the public nor talked-about by the major makers. At that point what you're talking about is an EV with an auxiliary generator for long trips. Such a thing already exists. When you want to go on a trip longer than the batteries can support you attach a little trailer which holds a genset. And whether or not it's petroleum free depends entirely on what kind of power you charge it with. Which, if it comes from the grid, will most likely be coal fired. There is nothing about a hybrid which precludes the use of a fuel cell in place of an internal combustion engine. I'm guessing that we might see such a thing if a durable good fuel cell powered by a conventional liquid fuel as developed. Indeed. If it's more practical to use a smaller fuel cell augmented with batteries then such a thing is likely. I'm skeptical of the success of hydrogen. I predict no success with hydrogen. The stuff is simply too difficult to handle. Anything which can leak by difusing through the walls of its container, usually causing embrittlement in the process, isn't something I want powering my vehicle. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Liquid Fuels vs. Electric Fuel
murdoch wrote: [snip] As to having a trailer behind an EV, first you'd need an EV, and that can be done my many mechanics, but the auto companies are still largely trying not to put them out there. But yes, dragging a generator behind an EV, depending on how it's done, could indeed be a viable grid-chargeable EV, one which could have the generator unhooked except for long trips. IMHO, this is the only way to make a grid chargeable hybrid practical. If you're not going to use the genset, if you're planning to not need the genset, then why waste your valuable battery energy lugging it around? AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Simple economics Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlotsof the Sea 12-28-02
Keith Addison wrote: Hey, come to think of it ... yes I do remember someone mentioning that. That the problem lies in (whoevers) draining the principal of nature's assets ... instead of leaving the principal alone and living off of the interest (dividends) as our savage ancestors had done in earlier times. ... and as most of our not-so-savage cousins do now. Just exactly who's savage and who's civilized and who's primitive, who's developed and who's less-developed or developing, who's really modern and who's an anachronism (or about to become one) all depends much on your point of view. Regarding such matters many or most people in the Western (ie industrialized) countries seem to live in a Hall of Mirrors - they think they're all there is, either that or everyone else is trying to become like they are. Not so. Worse, they think that everyone _should_ be like them, so they try and _make_ everybody like them. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Food for thought Was: Fish Farms Become Feedlotsof the Sea 12-28-02
Keith Addison wrote: Canada IS a free country?? I thought it was logged in the books as a Socialist Country?? Is Canada looking like a free country a tell-tale indication of what (comparatively) the US has become (or is turning in to)??? No debate ... simply food for thought. Curtis Now here's a thing a lot of Americans just can't seem to see straight, too much us and them. Get their knickers in a knot over socialists - AARGGHHH! (check under your beds! lock the doors! hang wild garlic in the windows!) - and somehow not notice that some of the most advanced and equitable, the sanest and probably best societies in many ways, are socialist states, like the Scandinavian countries. Their citizens certainly seem to think so. Meanwhile they also don't seem to notice that the land of the free seems to have been thoroughly purloined, and its cherished institutions, rights and constitutions with it - all the meaningless little bits of paper - by a bunch of maniacal corporate thugs. Well, that's how these bugaboos work. Indeed. Just witness the Oil Wars in the middle east, the copyright wars over file sharing and Napster and its progeny, and all of the corporate monopoly building and government buying by organizations such as Micro$oft. The Macarthy era's long over, you know... or is it? Fortunately the MacCarthy era is gone, and unlamented. Unfortunately the Dubya era has replaced it. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] industrial livestock husbandry
MH wrote: A SIDE NOTE: I've noticed locally a few farmers are extending their cattle feedlots pastures to the harvested corn fields probably due to the anemic local USA economy along with future anticipated US Federal and State deficits higher personal taxes as well as higher fuel prices in the distant unknown future. And a good way to put some fertilizer on the fields. Someone has to pay for the corporate stimulus package which seems to me is bottom up but hopefully trickle down. That corporate stimulus package is going to go exactly one place: Into the pockets of corporate CEO's. And some of it is going to wind up in the pockets of corporate stockholders, but not much. Haven't noticed field or pasture rotation yet to defray the costs of spreading manure as fertilizer humus (not that it isn't done) but that may put meat on their bones thus disqualifying them as US Choice, I'd guess, but then lean meat does draw a higher price but of course its probably not as tender which would require one to beat the fiber to a pulp or grind it or steam or boil it it seems to me. Or age it. But then aging meat the old fashioned way is not FDA approved. I've been eating a lot of grass fed, grass finished beef lately, and if I age it properly before I cook it then it's fork tender, and very tasty. I even get to shake the hand of the farmer from whom I buy it. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Impure Water
hcr_ii wrote: Sorry to stray from the topic, but I thought the collective learning of the group might be able to help. Someone I know has just moved into a house with no mains water and so put in a borehole. Despite two filters installed by 'experts' the water is still strongly discoloured by iron. Can anyone suggest a reliable product to remove the contamination? The borehole is in Ireland by the way. Have you tried reverse osmosis? If it can be used to turn seawater into drinking water then it might solve your problem. Have a look here http://www.google.com/search?q=reverse+osmosis+home and you'll probably find more than you ever wanted to know about RO home systems. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Editorial Education
The Tampa Tribune sunday printed a couple of guest columns in its Commentary section busting on renewable energy, and I'd like to give them some education. The first one is The Anticonsumer Energy Bill, by Ben Lieberman, a senior policy analyst with the Competitive Enterprise Institute http://www.cei.org in Washington. CEI gets much of their funding from the petroleum industry, and this column has the greasy fingerprints of Big Oil all over it. The name Ben Lieberman rings a bell, but I can't think why. I did a google search for Ben Lieberman, and read some of his stuff elsewhere. He seems to oppose anything that has anything to do with energy conservation. The second one is Both Supplies And Efficiencies Matter To US Energy Security, by Lynn Edward Weaver, President Emeritus of the Florida Institute of Technology. This one is more balanced than the first one, but the concept of battery powered cars as zero emissions vehicles comes up, and the old thing about ethanol taking more energy to produce than you get out of it, and wasting valuable food crops, rears its ugly head again. I can't link to it through the Trib, but here it is from another source: http://www.evworld.com/databases/shownews.cfm?pageid=news110902-01 With a little help from Keith I wrote the Trib a letter shooting at these two articles. Thanks to Keith I was shooting real bullets. The Trib can take letters via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone else wants to shoot at them please do. If they get enough letters, maybe they'll print something good for a change. Alan Petrillo -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] When a Crop Becomes King
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://premium.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nytp/20020719/071200.bail=http%3a%2f%2fpremium.news.yahoo.com%2frd%3fr%3dsolar Did anyone catch this July 19 NY Times article before it went to pay-for-access? Was it any good? Here's a link to the article elsewhere. Probably where the Times got it. And you don't have to pay for it. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0719-01.htm AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OTEC
Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion http://www.nrel.gov/otec AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OUT OF CONTEXT: YAHOO SWITCHAROO
OUT OF CONTEXT: YAHOO SWITCHAROO What Yahoo has done [by changing its privacy policy] is unconscionable. It's a bad thing, and it's bad for business. They would be better off sending offers to a million people who said they want to receive a coupon each day than to send them to 10 million people and worry about whether you've offended them by finally going too far. -- Seth Godin, Yahoo's former vice president for direct marketing, as quoted by the New York Times -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My BioD life is about to begin!
Jonathan Pennington wrote: My pH meter just arrived (I'm an environmental geologist, so needed one anyway :-), my chemicals are on the way, and I just bought a '99 Jetta TDI for $8k. (!) Where on earth did you find somebody dumb enough to part with a '99 for only $8k? Down here in The Sunshine State the '99's are going for $10-12k. I'm starting up next weekend when the chemicals arrive on making my first batch of BioD. Man this is exciting! Thanks for all your information everyone. I'm sure I'll be around to relate more later. Anyone else have VW TDIs? Not yet, but I can't help drooling all over any one of them I happen to see in traffic. It's just a matter of time and money, though. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: the air car
Harmon Seaver wrote: Not that I'm putting this forth as some sort of biofueled or even efficient transport design ala the air car, most aircraft suck major fuel, Indeed they do suck major fuel. But if you look at it from a passenger seat mile per gallon then most aircraft, especially the REALLY BIG ones come out better than the average SUV. and the Moller Skycar is no different. Indeed. It particularly sucks at a hover. But it's a great example of some really top-notch engineering, with what you'd think would be great mass-market appeal, just getting nowhere. I can't figure out how they stay in business They stay in business because of all of Paul Moller's other business accomplishments. He invented the Supertrapp muffler, which hotrodders and high performance motorcycle drivers like, and the Rotapower engine, which IIRC is selling to a lot of people who need lots of power from a little engine. He's done other stuff, but those are the two I remember off the top of my head. -- wish I could buy one, really. Hopefully one day you will. The FAA has even created a new category of aircraft in the regs for it. The Powered Lift category. So far there isn't anything else in the civilian market that falls into that category. I suppose perhaps they're waiting for all of those Harriers to start falling into the hands of collectors. :-) I wish them luck, likewise to the air car people. Great concepts, both of them. The M-400 vollantor is a great concept. I still haven't made up my mind about the air car. I think it's a good theory if they can get the thermodynamic problems straightened out. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] John Deere biodiesel
Aidan W. wrote: The article also states that your storage tanks should be full? I look forward to your feedback. Storage tanks should always be kept as full as possible to minimize air space, and the chances of condensation contaminating the fuel with water. Storage tanks with a lot of air space in them tend to grow water. Particularly the above ground tanks. As they heat up during the day the air in the tank expands and exits the tank vents. Then as they cool down during the night the air in the tanks contracts and pulls air back into the vents. Any excess moisture in the air will condense on the tank walls, and eventually end up in the fuel. My experience is with aviation fuel farms, which must be drained of water every day. Many above ground fuel farms will drain off anywhere from a couple of ounces to a couple of gallons every day. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] If you want to insult each other...
... then go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/insults Otherwise, please keep the list civil! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6GDALA/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Yeast idea: was Re: Fw: Biodiesel bill becomes law in Minnesota
motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also want to play with cellulose-Ethanol fermentation to use grass clippings to provide the fuel for them. I still haven't figured out the amount of vacuum needed to remove the Ethanol at a temp that will allow the yeasts to survive. It isn't vacuum distillation I am looking for, it's more vacuum fermentation. If anyone has any insights to this, please post them. Here's an idea for you: Grow your own strain of yeast. Contact a yeast supplier like Wyeast or DCL. Talk to them about your project. They might be able to supply a high temperature yeast for you to use as a starter. You'll need some microbiological growing equipment. You'll need an incubator, and an autoclave wouldn't be a bad idea. Start the process by growing the yeast at the very hottest end of its range. Keep slowly, incrementally cranking up the temperature on the incubator, and culture the yeast that survives and grows the best. Sooner or later you'll end up with a strain of yeast that will be able to survive very high temperatures. It may take a while but it'll happen. Of course, by the end of the process you'll probably be able to write a doctoral dissertation on yeast, but that part of the interest of the project, isn't it. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Think People!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am,therefore I think . atleast i think so. roger I think not. said DesCartes. And disappeared. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: acceptable containers for methoxide mixing
Paul Gobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] Actually, for small quantities I like to use a Pyrex or Kimax flask (cheap on eBay), and a magnetic stirrer. (also cheap on eBay). The brand names aren't important, any borosilicate glass will do. I'm just partial to Corning's Pyrex and Kimble's Kimax brands because I know they're quality equipment. [snip] Alan do you rember Dow Cornings great white elephant the Fleaker? It was a cross between a beaker and a flask and had a bung. Yes, I remember them. Some lab people love them. Kind of like a beaker with the top of an Erlenmeyer flask on it, as I recall. Interesting piece of gear but I don't think anyone ever found an appropriate use for them. It's not so much a matter of finding an appropriate use for them as it is getting them accepted in the lab by lab people. Most lab people are too used to doing their thing with Erlenmeyer or Florence flasks, or just plain old open beakers. My mother thought they would have been great for making microbiological growing media, but her school wouldn't cut her the budget to get them. Bad market research. Indeed. But you can't have any successes without a few failures on the way. Have a set of them at work ranging from 250 ml to 1.4L, and yes they are in unused condition. If I had a use for them I'd buy them from you, but I don't at the moment. When I bought my glassware from eBay and LabX it came in lots, so even though I got a great deal on it I got more than I need. Which is alright. Now I have spares in case I break any. But when buying from eBay one must be a little careful. Some of the flasks I bought which were marketed as Kimax turned out to be (c wearing a little pointy hat)imax flasks from the Czech Republic. They were borosilicate, and seemed to be good quality, so I kept them, but left feedback expressing my displeasure. Also have a couple of Corning 25ml measuring cylinders which somehow missed out on a graduation mark and ended up measuring 24.5ml but still marked 25ml. Great quality control. I do so hate it when that happens. All it takes is one tiny error in the formula of the glass and it shrinks too much. But the QC equipment shouldn't have let it out the door. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: acceptable containers for methoxide mixing
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really want to stay away from glass. Caustic splattering all over hell and half of creation due to a minor lack of attention or slip is not a pretty thought. Indeed, but spills can happen with plastic or stainless as well, so you should always be on your guard whenever dealing with methoxide in any container and in any quantity. Actually, for small quantities I like to use a Pyrex or Kimax flask (cheap on eBay), and a magnetic stirrer. (also cheap on eBay). The brand names aren't important, any borosilicate glass will do. I'm just partial to Corning's Pyrex and Kimble's Kimax brands because I know they're quality equipment. Several people have for a long time recommended a blender with a glass jar, which can usually be found for around $20 at a thrift shop. If you decide to go this route the first thing you want to do is make ABSOLUTELY SURE the seals in it are good. Perhaps even to the point of replacing them. Kits to do this are available at most small appliance stores, and some stores will even put them in for you, for a small fee. And never mix methoxide in a blender without the lid on, and never mix methoxide in a blender on anything but the _lowest_ speed. Mixing alcohol and catalyst generates great amounts of heat, to the point that the alcohol can boil. I've never had this trouble when mixing ~6g per liter. The alcohol barely got warm at that dilution. Where you _really_ see the heat is when making concentrated solutions like for soap making. That's when the solution _really_ gets hot! But then to disperse the heat one thing you should definitely is to start the stir _first_, and then add the NaOH to the alcohol while it's stirring. Using plastic jugs is not a wise idea, as generally people tend to think they can simply place the lid on and shake vigorously. That's a disaster waiting to happen...pressure can build up... lids can pop off...seams can split. Definitely _very_ bad idea. If you want to use a jug the only kind of cover you want to put onto it is plastic wrap secured with a rubber band. This will keep any pressure from building up, and you can tell when it's trying to because the plastic wrap will bulge. And the only stirring you want to do with methoxide in a jug is to _swirl_ it. Shaking it is just asking and begging and _pleading_ for trouble! Better yet, get or make yourself some better method of doing it. If I had to reccommend, I would suggest gentle agitation in a thick HDPE container, inside a retainment vessel of some sort, to catch spills, slops and leaks. And a cover. Don't mix methoxide in any container unless you can put a cover on it to prevent splashing. Even if you have to _make_ a cover for it. The extra effort and time it takes to do this might _literally_ save your skin. AND NEVER.unless you really want to take on a high risk for eye damage and an expensive ER and optomological specialist's visit.NEVER mix alcohol and catalyst or work with the mixture without safety goggles. At least safety goggles. A face shield is better than safety goggles when dealing with methoxide. And a full length plastic apron, and chemical gloves _with gauntlets_ are a must. They're expensive, but they're far cheaper than a visit to the ER. If you're dealing with larger quantities of methoxide then plastic boots are also a good idea. Protective equipment is cheap. Reconstructive surgery is expensive. And build yourself a spill kit. Even if your spill kit consists of nothing but a bag of dry-sweep and a jug of vinegar it can make your life much easier in the event of a spill. If you're using the acid/base method then you want to include a jug of baking soda solution in your spill kit. Bases can do far more damage to eye tissue in a shorter time period than acids. Indeed. Bases can do more damage to _any_ biological material much more quickly than acids. Especially eyes. For this reason if you can't have an emergency shower and eyewash station available, and most of us can't, then you want to have running water available _and have it running_. It may seem like a waste of water, but if you need it then you need it RIGHT NOW and you don't want to fumble around trying to turn it on. Better yet, portable emergency eyewash kits are available from anywhere that sells safety equipment, including most tool catalogs. They aren't absolutely necessary, but they are a good idea. As always, safety equipment is MUCH less expensive than medical bills. I don't mean to scare anyone off by recomending all of this safety equipment, but whenever you're handling caustics you need to protect yourself. This is true whether you're making biodiesel or soap or anything else that requires caustics, particularly if it involves large quantities of caustics. And it's particularly true of methoxide, because not only is it caustic, but it's also quite toxic as well. Spending
[biofuel] RE:Surplus Shed
kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lots of construction articles and food for thought. If you like the Amateur Scientist in Scientific American here is the whole collection This is cool! I'm going to get two of them. One for my son, and one for me. And here's something anyone with a solar or wind system could use: Oh, dern it, they used a blasted javascript for the item instead of a real link. Well, go to http://www.surplusshed.com/list.cfm?Category=Radio%2FElectronics and look for WESTON 432 PRECISION WATTMETER. Where was this place when I was a kid! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 02:25:07PM +0900, Keith Addison wrote: But it seems you Americans want Congress or you wouldn't have elected them. Or is that a bit naive of me? Whatever, they'll respond to enough public pressure, re diesels, ULSD dino-diesel and biodiesel. [snip] I'm certainly not alone in this, most of the people I know, even the ones who vote feel pretty hopeless about it. Indeed. I'm one of them. And why do you think so few people vote? Most of the candidates are mental lightweights -- I mean look at just the last presidential election: dubbya or algore? Gag! Indeed. The real problem here is that nobody who would really be worth voting for wants to run for the job. I voted for Nader, Ack! Did you read his platform? I did, and I voted Libertarian. but that's pretty hopeless, and the people I talk to who don't vote say exactly that -- what's the point? The point is to get enough people to vote for alternate parties to break the stranglehold that the demicans and the republicrats have had on American politics for the past odd century. It kind of reminds me of those Democrats in the Florida panhandle (central timezone) that heard Gore was winning the rest of Florida (eastern timezone) so they didn't bother to go to their polling places and vote. Oops! As I always say -- it's not my government. They may steal from my pocket, I can't stop that, but they don't represent me in any way shape or form. At least you vote. To all those people who don't vote I say If you don't exercise your right to vote then you forfeit your right to complain. Find out what's on the ballot, educate yourself about the issues, and get to your polling place on election day and VOTE! Every election. No excuses. Especially always vote in the _local_ elections, because the local stuff will have a lot more direct effect on your life than the state and federal stuff will. But the local elections always have the _lowest_ turnout. And people wonder why the government is going to the dogs! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Frankenfood warning!
http://dailynews.netscape.com/dailynews/cnn/story_2.tmpl?story=2002032210065001126808shortdate=0322 In a word: YUUCK! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Enlist the help of Congress was: car conversion
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do believe that low voter turnouts have less to do with the widely alleged apathy/ignorance than with despair at what's on offer, and not just in the US. No doubt. I must say that I am sick to death of voting for the candidate that I dislike least. And, alas, that state of affairs has infected local politics here in St. Petersburg FL as well. An example of this is our last Mayoral race. The only candidates on the list who were not either professional politicians or lawyers were one guy who works on the assembly line at a local electronics plant, and Karl Nurse, who is a local architect. Karl Nurse had the best platform of all the offerings for anyone who was paying enough attention to actually read his platform. I voted for him. Who won? Some real estate attourney who is going about rebuilding much of the downtown area with taxpayers' money. And he's a Republican. Typical. On a subject very near and dear to my heart, the new Mayor and his cronies are attempting to close St. Petersburg's Albert Whitted Airport (KSPG) for the purpose of turning the land into (yet another) high priced condominium development. Despite the problems that the airport is located next to a sewerage treatment plant, which would have to be moved, and a power plant, which can't be moved. A third problem is the colony of burrowing owls which have taken up residence at the airport, because they are a threatened species. How about if you could vote against as well as for? I bet that'd turn them out alright! Indeed. For a long time there's been a drive to put the selection none of the above on the Florida presidential ballot. Elections authorities can't do it. The law prevents them. Is there any government in the world that would go for that? LOL! Well, if not, why not? I guess the people who made the law are afraid none of the above would win. How many govts can claim a majority mandate these days? A majority of corporations maybe. My experience is that people tend to vote for the candidates that they think will best serve their own interests. Businessmen and entrepreneurs tend to vote republican because republicans tend to be very friendly to big business. Military people tend to vote republican because republican administrations tend to increase military funding. Conversely, labor union members tend to vote democratic because democrats tend to be friendlier to labor issues. Environmentalists (note the capital E) tend also to vote democrat because democrats tend to be friendlier toward environmental issues. City dwellers tend to vote democratic. Farmers, and rural people tend to vote republican because republicans are seen to represent their values. (Pander to their values, IMHO.) You'll note the Libertarians, who are the largest alternate party, and the Greens, and all of the other little parties are left out of this. That's the way the Demicans and Republicrats like it. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Rapist Enablers
Keith Addison wrote: Perhaps just a bit. Never mind. You call the gun-control lobby Rapist-Enablers? Not a similar distortion? How does that fit in with this? There was a quote written some time ago, by whom I don't remember that said: Gun control is the idea that the woman lying dead in an alley, strangled with her own pantyhose is somehow morally superior to the woman explaining to police how her attacker got that bullet hole in his chest. I think that is the genesis of that rapist-enablers line. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens, pitting conservationists against soccer moms
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Levin noted that the scientists refused to recommend a specific fuel economy standard and acknowledged that past increases in fuel economy led to smaller, lighter cars and thousands of additional traffic deaths. I challenge him to prove this claim. The only reason the smaller, lighter cars might lead to thousands of additional traffic deaths is because they're going to come into conflict with older, heaver vehicles. It's like saying they have to be built heavy because they've always been built heavy. With an attitude like that we'll never make any progress in fuel economy. Or safety. Building decent _safety equipment_ and -=*GETTING PEOPLE TO USE IT*=- is, IMHO _the_ major factor in vehicle safety. Much more so than the false sense of safety caused by big, heavy SUV's which are _more_ likely to roll over and kill their occupants than smaller, lighter vehicles. Particularly the ones who don't have their seat belts on. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: What is the best way to increase fuel economy ?
motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 55 mph USA speed limits saved lives, fuel and decreased accidents. Actually, the decrease in highway fatalities the year the 55mph speed limit was introduced was a false result. The same year the feds enacted the 55mph speed limit about half of the states in the union enacted seat belt laws. I'm sure it saved some fuel, because some people followed it, and for most vehicles slowing down does indeed save fuel, but IMHO the major effect of the double nickel was to turn a lot of otherwise law abiding citizens into lawbreakers, and to increase the ammount of money running into the coffers of local governments from speeding tickets. And to increase the ammount of revenue running into the coffers of insurance companies from increased insurance rates. Hoagy mentions the fuel efficiency figures he gets with his Geo Metro. Well, when I was living in Germany I had a Ford Festiva. A nice little car built by Kia. I could drive from Ansbach to Frankfurt and back with my foot to the floor, doing about 140-150kph, and burn 38l of unleaded. I'm sure I could have gotten better mileage if I'd kept my foot out of it, but that was good enough for me. I don't want to start a lengthy debate, Too late. but this 'study' is NOT accepted by all as factual. Indeed. The results of this study have been hotly contested since it was published in support of the original 55mph limit back in the bad old days. It's another case that supports my contention that he who pays for the study gets the results he has paid for. It may well be applicable in a Metro area, with commuters, but it sure isn't in the real world, outside the city limits. Indeed. Particularly when one gets into the vast expanses encountered when crossing the southwest United States. [Idling time] I think someone posted a link some time ago to an APU for trucks. A small unit that generated heat for the cab and the main engine, and electricity for the systems when the main engine was shut down. I don't remember the link, and can't find it just now, but an APU which could keep the truck warm on a fraction of the fuel used by idling the main engine seems like just the ticket here. Not to mention all of the wear and tear saved by _not_ idling the main engine. Idling is just plain bad on all points. In the summer, fiscal responsibility enters the factor. Where can you get a room for $18? Good luck. On the couple of times I've had to use roadside motels, even the trucker rates, which are the lowest rates on the schedule, were twice that. That's probably enough on this topic, before it turns into a rant. (Too late?) Well, a short rant, anyway. :-) One size fits all rulemaking does NOT work. Indeed it does not. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: commercial and co-op biofuel group
Hey, guys, Isn't this what the biofuels-biz group is already doing? Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rawls, Count me in please. I am very interested in discussing the how to's of setting up a small business that produces biodiesel in the US. I know that there have been several others from this list that have indicated interest in a business oriented biofuel list also. I would encourage those folks to sign up and participate. Although the Yahoo biofuels list is very useful there are several useful subjects which I no longer feel free to discuss on it. I believe that those considering starting a small biodiesel business should be free to discuss any related subject and I for one find this is no longer possible on the biofuels list due to the number of flaming responses from those of opposing viewpoints and the wishes of the moderator to keep the biofuels archives free of info that might be interpreted as biofuel negative. To be fair to Keith it may be best to have a place other than his biofuels list where those that wish to discuss such things can do so freely. I look forward to the discussion. Dana Liscott --- Rawls Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Group - I have set up a group (biofuelmanufacturer) on yahoo to discuss topics pertaining to starting a small biofuel co-op/business. Please email me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the group is invitation only) if you are interested in joining or if you have any questions. Thanks, Rawls Moore -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: GM holds rallies to protest fuel standard proposal
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levin and GM officials said that CAFE unfairly discriminates against U.S. automakers. American-made pickup trucks and SUVs are just as fuel-efficient as those from Japan, he said. But higher CAFE standards would force Americans to buy Japanese-made trucks, because Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Ltd. can offset the lower fuel efficiency of trucks with their strong sales of more fuel-efficient cars. Another case of GM talking out of both sides of their collective face. They make statements like this despite the fact that GM and Toyota have a strategic alliance building vehicles together. In fact all of Toyota's US market trucks are built in a plant in California that is a strategic alliance with GM. Saying that driving American consumers to buy Honda cars will cost American jobs is 100% BS, because, with the exception of the hybrids, Honda builds all of their US market cars in the US, of 96% US made parts. Including some parts that they buy from GM's Delco subsidiary. In fact, Honda builds so many cars over here that they are a net _exporter_! In fact, if you want to see just how many other automotive manufacturers that GM either owns or owns pieces of just go look at their website. They love to brag about it. There are some of them that they don't brag about, like Subaru and Isuzu, which they own big chunks of, and Toyota, which they have strategic alliances with. The proposal before the Senate will do little or nothing for the environment, but will do a hell of a lot to end American jobs, Levin said. Horse hockey. They said the same thing about polution controls back in the 1960's. They said the same thing about the original CAFE standards. They said the same thing about catalytic converters in the 1970's, bumper regulations in the 1980's, airbags in the 1990's, and the list goes on. And yet despite this list of things that will cost jobs, the automotive industry is bigger than ever. Besides which, a large number of GM's American cars _are_ Japanese cars. And Canadian. And Mexican. We're pushing people into foreign-made vehicles even though they're not more fuel-efficient. Humpf. The problem is that Honda and Toyota guessed right for the long haul while Detroit was busy riding the tidal wave of SUV popularity that they themselves created to try and get out from under the original CAFE rules. GM has made their bed, and now they get to lie in it. (Pun intended!) AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Oatmeal Cookies was Re: Re: $7.5 Million Feedstock Subsidy for SSPC
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sit back...grab a glass 'a milk...eat a few singed oatmeal cookieseverything starts looking rosier... Hell...if you've got milk and cookies, who needs drugs? Hey, add ice cream to that and you have a cure! And hot peppers. What is life without a few hot peppers! (Hmm... Hot pepper ice cream... I need to go assemble my freezer!) Todd Swearingen Post Script: What's the difference between an elephant and an oatmeal cookie? You can't dip an elephant in a glass of milk. LOL. Actually, this reminds me of the guys I buy my pepper plants from. Cripple Creek Growers. I've found that disabled people usually have a lot more sense of humor about their condition than do their whole bodied supporters, and the two guys who own Cripple Creek Growers are a case in point. Note: There is no Cripple Creek in Florida. Both of these guys have bad legs that cause them to walk with a limp, and both have had surgery to allow them to walk. Both of them are legally disabled. They got the name Cripple Creek Growers because they are two cripples who live by a creek. Their words, not mine, so if you want to get offended talk to them, not me. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: US Senate panel can't reach deal on fuel standards
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Light trucks, heavy-duty pickup trucks, SUVs, Peterbilts (what be they?) www.peterbilt.com You'd need to haul a _lot_ of stuff to the lake! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Woodland B.V - was Re: Biodiesel-processing.doc
Ok, the BS meter just went critical. It dilutes motoroil , which makes more frequent change of motoroil necessary. This statement is patent bulls**t. How would BD dilution of motor oil make more frequent oil changes necessary, particularly with respect to petrodiesel, when it has higher lubrosity, and burns cleaner? And, for that matter, what happens to all of the acrolein and varnish formed when SVO is burned? I'd bet it contributes to clogged injectors, contaminated oil, and stuck rings, as can be seen in the archives. I have one last word for Woodland: Plonk! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Small Manufacturer How-To
Hey, Dana. Would you be willing to write a how-to guide for starting a BD manufacturing business? Something along the lines of Tips, Tricks, and Traps of Biodiesel Manufacturing? AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Environmental group releases list of 'green cars'
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaarghh! You said the D-word!! Well, so did I, and lightning failed to strike me. Zeus didn't get your forwarding address, but I suspect the place you just moved out of is lying in ashes. :-) I'm quite encouraged by the correspondence I've been having with Ryan Walker of EMS about this. I've just hit a blank wall and blind denials before, but he's ready and willing. (See Re: More diesel-bashing, 14 Feb 2002.) So should we not do something about it? Are any of us willing to join in a list letter-writing campaign? Count me in. I can only type with my left hand right now, but count me in anyway. The main perpetrators of the anti-diesel BS (mainly a US phenomenon) are the Sierra Club, Environmental Defence, National Resources Refence Council, and the Union of Concerned Scientists. Any others? None that I can think of, but diesel bashing does seem to be the US Environmentalists' favorite sport. If there's enough (any?) interest shown, I'll try to assemble a list of resources and references we can use to put our case, and a list of contacts. I'll have to do it between times, but it shouldn't take me too long. Probably no longer than it'll take me to type something intelligent with just my left hand. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: EPA hassle - Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors
MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: snip . . . when the President made his State Of The Union Address, and spoke words to the effect of We need to make more of our energy at home. But then the President is an Oil Man. What I think he was referring to are projects (such as) that drill the Gulf of Mexico oil reserve called Crazy Horse using a platform one mile above the gulf floor and/or Enron Wind. Indeed. I think there is little doubt what he was actually saying was We need to make more money for my Buds in the oil business. So far what El Presidente seems to be best at is verbally shooting himself in the foot, and the rest of the country with him. But if we can force government agencies to take his words at face value then maybe we can get somewhere. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Statement-SOLAROIL-Eu-tax.4.12.2001.doc
Keith Addison wrote: Ulp... Do you have a url for that, Alan? I think it was in response to a post in this list. Either that or the biodiesel list and I put in the wrong address on my reply. Either way, Oops. Somebody is practicing junk science. However the process to chemically change the structure of Pure Plant Oil, is a very costly operation and requires a lot of energy, as it removes the glycerine substituting it by methanol as well as adding other chemicals, **making the endproduct poisenous and equally hazardous as dieselfuel.** Um... Oops. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Statement-SOLAROIL-Eu-tax.4.12.2001.doc
However the process to chemically change the structure of Pure Plant Oil, is a very costly operation and requires a lot of energy, as it removes the glycerine substituting it by methanol as well as adding other chemicals, **making the endproduct poisenous and equally hazardous as dieselfuel.** Um... Oops. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: EPA hassle - Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors
Tom Leue wrote: This week I have been shut down by the EPA because they say I may not use the health effects data developed by the non-profit National Biodiesel Board, which is used by every other commecial producer in the country, but must develop my own. The EPA estimates that will cost me in excess of $1,000,000. Needless to say, I cannot come up with that kind of money. The EPA stated this week if they catch me making more of the fuel, the fine is up to $25,000 per day. I choose not to join the National Biodiesel Board because of their contract requirements which are unduly burdensome on a small operation like mine. It is like other industries: get big or get out. I strongly recommend Mr. Leue get on the schedule to see his US Senator, and ask him if he was in the room when the President made his State Of The Union Address, and spoke words to the effect of We need to make more of our energy at home. But then the President is an Oil Man. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ireland Plans Largest Wind Farm (Business Friday)
Ireland Plans Largest Wind Farm (Business Friday) http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,49662,00.html?tw=wn20020112 A facility off the coast of County Wicklow will generate 10 percent of the country's energy. The $570 million project will generate 520 megawatts of electricity. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] PC Change
As I was walking out of one of my local whole foods stores, a thought struck me. (Don't say it!) During my first experience with health food back in the mid to late 1970's it seemed that you weren't Politically Correct unless you were driving a small, old clunker, which you kept going with safety wire, duct tape, chewing gum, Bondo, and a lot of luck. There has been a change in Political Correctness. Now you aren't Politically Correct unless you are driving the latest high gas mileage, low emissions environmental gimmick vehicle. People look askance at me when I pull up in my 1987 Nissan Hard Body pick up. Funny how things change in 25 years. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Unimog
steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the unimog can climb a 24 vertical obstruction from a standing start butted up against said object. The Hummer can't. This is true. Our medic high centered his Hummer on a 24 rock, and we had to get a recovery vehicle out to pull it off. There wasn't anything in the near vicinity for the winch to get a hold of. I still don't know what posessed him to try and climb that rock. You can also get 2-3 Uni's (new) for the price of a hummer. No doubt. And probably a used Hummer at that. And they probably have fewer oil leaks than a Hummer. With front and rear PTO's, they are an interesting option. Front _and_ rear? Now _that's_ cool! AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Unimog: was Re: Thinking about buying a car?
Thor Skov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hummers also get about 8 mpg, are outrageously expensive, and don't carry much. The diesel ones get better mileage. Not great, though, by anyone's standards. They are not trucks. According to the military, the Hummer is listed as a 1 1/4 ton truck. They do get around, though. Indeed, but there are better vehicles for going anywhere. Not many, certainly, but there are some. One thing about Hummers, certainly: They're best off road. I had the displeasure of driving one across Germany on the autobahn. Hummers on the highway -=*SUCK*=-. There are few vehicles better for going cross country, but on the road they're slow, rough, and very noisy. Those people with more money than brains who spend $40,000 a copy to buy them to look cool can have them. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Unimog
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? http://www.g4rce.net/engl/models-mil-ifav.html g4rce - or all about the Mercedes G. Interesting. And since they're smaller, I'd bet they'd make better scout vehicles. A subject near and dear to my heart. (Scouts Out!) AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] VW Tdi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: [snip] imperative SNIP! /imperative AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Unimog
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? In my 3 years experience with military Hummers we only got one of them stuck twice. Once while driving through a little German town because it was too wide to negotiate one of the turns, and another time when one of our medics high-centered one and lifted two of the wheels off of the ground.
[biofuel] RE: Thinking about buying a car?
Andrew Layton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fiat - Nothing. Nothing to give. FIAT owns Case New Holland, one of the largest agricultural equipment producers in this country. I suppose that gives them an automatic pass on the investment in America excuse. That is a point. When I did my research on who owns whom in the automotive business I neglected to look into farm equipment. I'll correct that oversight. Thanks for keeping me honest. Alan Petrillo -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Thinking about buying a car?
Jean-Leon Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that big diesel powerstoke to run WVO- biodiesel.. Got to help the economy and keep some dollars in the states. Or ,what you could do is NOT buy a diesel powerstroke. Boycott american cars, buy a Volkswagen TDI and make people aware of the beauty of small diesels. Then, maybe, one day, you'll see a Diesel Ford Focus on the lot. Indeed. I'd buy a Ford Focus diesel. From what I've seen of them they appear to be good little cars. Then you'd be helping the environment. By buying a fat, large, stupidly obese truck, you'll be hurting the environment even more, even if you run it on moose farts. I must admit I do very often wonder at my fellow Americans' love affair with Big Trucks. They just don't make any sense. Particularly the SUV's. The 30L of coolant that cools the massive beast, Although this can be helped if you use propylene glycol coolant instead of ethylene glycol, and make sure to keep up on the coolant additives and filtration so you don't have to change it as often. 10L of motor oil that gets dumped every 3k miles, A Frantz oil filter can help immensely with this. At which point it becomes a 100ml oil sample analysis every 3k miles. the assorted gear oil boxes for hte T case and front axles, Which will sooner or later leak. and Big Ass (TM) tires that wear out waay too quick will be a grand help to our environment. I've always gotten a kick out of the truck crowd's love affair with Big Ass Tires (tm). They put off road tires like Monster Mudders (tm) on their trucks, and then never drive them off of the pavement. You can allways tell the wannabees. BAT's with Armor All on the tire sidewalls and the treads worn flat. Not to mention the 7.3L of heat that you'll be inputting into the atmosphere to help melt the polar icecaps. I'm not sure of your units here, but if you're making the point that they tend to be gas guzzlers, they are. Bravo, where do I sign up? On the dotted line of the purchase contract, right below the hideously overinflated price. Not to mention that when that Ford junkpile is worn out at a mere 200K miles and 10 years, you'll send it to the chipper to be recycled. The 800 lbs of plastic contained in it will be shredded and become non-biodegradable waste, to sit and wait. Of it'll be melted into something, spewing tons of crap into the atmosphere. Ford has been making a big noise lately that every piece of the vehicles they're currently manufacturing, including the plastic bits are recyclable. Of course they've been forced into this practice because of European requirements to do such. And now they make it seem like it's their very own idea. Gotta love it. Alan Petrillo -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Promise to Quit Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/5vN8tD/AqSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Unimog: was Re: Thinking about buying a car?
steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Mercedes Unimog is a decent little truck. [snicker] A nice little truck. Some pretty fine not-so-little ones too. If you want to build the world's biggest, baddest, go anywhere RV there's nothing better. There's a company that does just that. In fact there's a whole culture that's grown up around Unimogs, and it seems that most of them that have ever been built are still on the road. www.unimog.com Or if you'd rather see it in the original German: www.unimog.de A REAL truck indeed! Alan Petrillo -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Break free. Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vN8tD/.pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Thinking about buying a car?
Jean-Leon Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit a VW is about as useless a vehicle as a Ford Mustang for someone who needs a truck. But then again, you can't BUY a truck anymore. Sure you can. You just have to shop more carefully, and be prepared to pay more. You have to build it as all the trucks have long ago left the market, having been replaced by luxo-utes with thin tin boxes bolted on to the frame, If indeed they _have_ a frame. Some of the new LSUV's are built with a unitized body, and don't have a real frame at all. They're just big cars pretending to be trucks. Prang one and it's toast. and most people don't need a Ford F250, they simply have to figure out that driving a big empty pickup is a sign of stupidity, not coolness. For so many people, particularly insecure men, driving the biggest, most powerful thing on the planet seems to be some sort of sign of masculinity. Whether it be a Big Ass Truck or a hotrodded Mustang, or even a big motorcycle with loud pipes. In fact there's a term for them. They're called PEV's. That's Penis Enhancement Vehicles. To prop up the egos of insecure men who are unsure of their own factory original equipment. Alan Petrillo -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Thinking about buying a car?
Mark E. Wishart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which Motor Co. Cares About the USA? Or at least who wants to look like they care about the USA. All of the ones that make money over here. And it's the money they care about. And that's especially including the Big 3! Aston Martin - Nothing. Not suprizing. They don't have much to contribute. Audi - Nothing. Audi's web site states Audi News: Always up to the minute. See Volkswagen, since they own Audi. BMW - Nothing despite other press releases/postings since 09/11/01. Last updated 09/13/01. Hardly suprizing. The family that owns BMW is too dignified to attempt to proffit from 9-11. Daewoo International - Nothing. Again, they don't really have anything to give. And indeed it would probably be Daewoo Of America doing the giving, if they had anything to give. Daimler Chrysler (includes Dodge, Jeep, Mercedes-Benz and Plymouth)$10 million to support the children and victims in addition to other donations from their employees, dealers and suppliers. They probably took that out of petty cash. They probably spend that much on advertizing on any given sunday during the football games. And I'm sure it came out of the advertizing budget. Fiat - Nothing. Nothing to give. Ford Motor Company (includes Jaguar, Lincoln, Mazda, Mercury and Volvo) $1 million to the American Red Cross, matching employee contributions to the American Red Cross and 10 Excursions to the New York Fire Department. The company has also offered emergency response team services and office space to displaced government employees. Hmm... A whole _million_ dollars. That's probably what they spend on advertizing during a single football game. General Motors (includes Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saab and Saturn) -- $1 million to the American Red Cross, matching employee contributions and a fleet of vans, trucks and SUVs. Again, a whole _million_ dollars. Ooooh! Take it out of petty cash! Harley-Davidson Motor Cycles - Donated one million dollars and 30 new motorcycles to the NYPD to assist in relief efforts and replace motor cycles lost in the attack. Harley-Davidson's own employees drove the cycles to NY in a day and a half and turned over the keys personally to the NYC Motor Division. Check out their website at www.harleydavidson.com for info and pictures of their generosity. Well, as much money as HD has poured into the V-Rod, I'm kind of suprized they had anything left. But then when they're selling motorcycles for 4 times the price of the competition they can afford to give more. Honda (includes Acura) - Nothing. The latest news on Honda can always be found right here? No press releases/postings since 9/04/01 when the release boasted American Honda Motor Co., Inc. recorded its second best sales month ever in August. My search included: hondamotorcycle.com [other press releases posted on this site since 9/11/01), honda.com, honda2001.com, world.honda.com, acura.com and honda.co.jp. But keep in mind, Honda builds all of their US market cars over here. Of 96% or so US parts. In fact they build so many cars over here that they are a net exporter. In doing this they keep many thousands of Americans employed, and add much to our economy. Not to mention their legendary quality and reliability has dragged the Big 3 kicking and screaming into building better quality products. If their multi billion dollar investment in the US economy doesn't say caring, what does? Hyundai Motors Group (includes Kia) -- $300,000 to the American Red Cross. Wow. Hyundai could actually afford to give something? I'm impressed. Isuzu - Nothing. See General Motors, since GM owns 49% of the company. Mitsubishi Motors - Nothing Mitsubishi-motors.co.jp site states, The latest news about Mitsubishi Motors. I also searched mitsubishimotors.com. See Daimler-Chrysler since they own a controlling interest in the company. Nissan - Nothing despite other press releases/postings since 09/11/01. But while you're at it, don't miss the fact that Nissan has been building vehicles in the US since 1960, and in fact build all of their US market vehicles in 4 plants in Tennessee. Thus keeping thousands of Americans employed. And they are a net exporter from the US, thus increasing the strength of the US economy. Porsche - Nothing. Press release with condolences posted on the Porsche web site on 09/12/01, but no contribution. See Volkswagen. Subaru - Nothing. Despite other press releases/postings since 09/11/01. See General Motors. Suzuki - Nothing. See General Motors. Toyota (includes Lexus) -Nothing. Press release with condolences posted on the Toyota web site on 09/14/01, but no contribution, despite earlier press releases boasting that Toyota had high
[biofuel] Re: Possible Viruses
Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible Viruses I have been getting a number of blank emails lately...they appear to be trying to start to load a graphic or something in the message area of the email, an attachment, Do -=*NOT*=- load email attachments automatically! Find that switch in your email software and _turn it off_! That's a _major_ vector for viruses. Don't open any email attachments for which you do not know and trust the sender. but then it stops loading all i get is a little thing in the upper left corner. Sounds like a spammer sending you some bad html. That happens all the time. It never ceases to amaze me just how clueless some spammers are. It could also be a virus attempting to start up. There are a family of viruses running around the internet that look in the browser cache, and the M$ Outleek address book, strip out everything that looks like an email address, and then send themselves to every email address they find. Usually the first symptom victims notice is that their inbox fills up with returned email. But by then the damage is already done. Fortunately this one does not seem to affect Macintoshes. Anybody else have this happening the last few days? Not so far. But then I've received so much virus generated email over the past couple of months that I stopped counting at around 700 messages. And that was a couple of months ago. Then when I reply and ask sender to resend, I get no reply from them at all. Not a suprize. Whether they're a spammer or a virus victim you're unlikely to get a response back. If they're a spammer then they've probably had their connection yanked. If a virus victim then their mail box is probably full. (this is on a Mac, BTW). Good man! Never ask a man if he owns a Macintosh. If he does he'll tell you. If he doesn't, why embarass the poor bastard. There's a lot less virus trouble on Macintoshes, largely because there are a lot fewer hackers shooting at them. Also because they have fewer security holes than Windoze. Mostly Macs are suceptible to cross-platform viruses. If you don't run M$ Outleek, or Lotus, and you turn off Java and Javascript for email then you're safe from about 99% of the viruses that can affect Macs. Oh, and turn off autostart for Quicktime, because there's a family of viruses that use it, and it really doesn't do much for the functionality of your system anyway. Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: I have a bit of difficulty understanding why people keep claiming they are getting viruses from this list. The list software doesn't not allow attachments to be sent with the email, therefore, it is essentially impossible for anyone to get a virus from the biofuels list. If listers are infected with the SirCam family of viruses then it's not impossible at all. The thing is that the victim wouldn't be receiving viruses from the list, but directly from other listers, since SirCam goes through your browser cache, and M$ Outleek address book and finds everything that looks like an email address, and then emails itself to all of those addresses. One of the ways you can protect yourself and your email contacts from SirCam is to set your email software to _not_ automatically open attachments. Also, you want to set your browser software to automatically clear the cache on shutdown. It might make some of the sites you look at load more slowly the first time you look at them in any particular session, particularly if you're on a dialup connection, but it's cheap insurance. Good Luck. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- See What You've Been Missing! Amazing Wireless Video Camera. Click here http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: vegtable oil/antigell
tyson rearden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for all of you wanting an anti gell additive, there is some stuff called PRIST. it is used by jets for the cold temperatures they encounter at altitude. Sorry I don't know anything about it besides it's trade name, It's a big oily ether that I don't remember the complete name for either. It is on the package, however. that it doesn't cost very much for the small concentrations required and it seems to work. It's used at a concentration of about .09 ounces per gallon of jet fuel, but the ratio has a pretty wide lattitude and isn't really critical. If you really need it more is better than less, as it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. A little goes a _long_ way. Maybe if someone has the interest in finding out what the stuff is you should go get some from an airport. They will have it anywere jet A is sold. Not necessarily anywhere Jet-A is sold. Many FBO's get their jet fuel premixed with it. Particularly here in Florida, where we have the worst fuel icing problems in the country. (No kidding, it's so bad they test the stuff here.) It's available in spray cans, and in 5 gallon jugs. You can't just dump it into the tank, though. It has to be injected into the fuel stream at the time you fill your tank, and there is a special adapter that fits onto the end of the fuel nozzle to do this. Prist has 3 functions: It lowers the gel point of the fuel, acts as an anti icing additive so that any entrained water doesn't freeze and clog up the fuel system with ice crystals, and it is a surfactant so it tends to keep entrained water in suspension. It does this in jet fuel, at least. I don't know what it'd do in vege oil or biodiesel. In fact it's a really serious surfactant. I used some old Prist jugs to collect WVO for processing into biodiesel a while back. The stuff is such a powerful surfactant that it interfered with every stage of the biodiesel processing, especially the settling after the wash stage. But if you're running straight WVO then this shouldn't be a problem as long as the water content of the fuel isn't too high for too long. Look here http://www.ppg.com/prist/default.asp and see for yourself. If you want to try some I think you can buy it from Sporty's catalog. www.sportys.com -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Vv.L9D/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Ford Explorer hybrid abandoned
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ford engineers and other insiders said the automaker, citing a cash crunch and less success with the gasoline-electric hybrid than expected, decided to limit the hybrid system to smaller trucks and cars. The system tends to boost efficiency more in smaller vehicles. Humpf! They should tell that to Oshkosh Diesel, who are producing a version of their 8x8 heavy truck as a full on hybrid, and gaining 30% fuel efficiency with it. Come to think of it, I suppose they'd also need to tell the railroad industry that all of those diesel-electric locomotives just won't work. Not to mention the planned hybrid busses. And while we're talking about vehicles that do better as hybrids, let's not forget diesel-electric powered ships. The bottom line is that they just don't want to spend the money to do it right. As a friend of mine says about Detroit, They don't make cars, they make money. IMO what they're going to do is produce the smaller cars and trucks as hybrids first, using the buying public as guinea pigs, and then after we've done their RD for them they're going to see if they can scale the system up to bigger vehicles. In the mean time a lot of Insights and Priuses are going to hit the streets. Alan Petrillo -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- StartMeUp jump starts your car's battery using only the cigarette lighter. $24.95 at Youcansave.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/mNb7gB/LTTDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Hiclone
Ugly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are the scientist , I am very impressed . Now hold the phone, guys, let's not get nasty here. I tried the device , I am getting better economy using it. As I said before , I am no scientist , I am not sure of the exact workings of it , only that it does work , results prove it. Provable, repeatable results are the essence of science. Fit the device , economy improve , remove device , economy decrease . Provably and repeatably with consistent differences between the two? Shows in the logs? Why? I dont know , ask a scientist, one who is willing to actualy test it and give explanation of why it does or does not do this weird thing. I am not a scientist either, but I am familiar with turbulence in airstreams. Being a pilot, turbulence in airstreams is something of a fascination for me. I don't really know what's going on with the Hiclone either, but I have a feeling it has something to do with stirring turbulence into the airstream of the intake air. It isn't an idea that should be poo-pooed out of hand, but should be given a good hard look. Seemingly insignificant bits of metal sticking up into an airstream can have profound effects on the behavior of that airstream. Vortex generators, for example. These little, insignificant looking bits of sheet metal, less than an inch tall, when attached to an airfoil surface can completely change the behavior of that airfoil. They do this by stirring turbulence into the boundary layer, which has the effect of keeping airflow attached to the surface of the airfoil longer. In fact, there are some airplanes that cannot safely fly without vortex generators on various bits of their structure. Perhaps the Hiclone might act as a vortex generator in the intake airstream and by doing so reduce the frictional losses from air flowing through the induction system. Perhaps the increased turbulence in the intake air stream increases the turbulence inside the cylinder, and really does have as dramatic an effect as Hiclone claims. Other turbulence devices inside cylinders have proven to have dramatic effects in the past. Any Chaos theorists out there listening? In any event, devices such as the Hiclone shouldn't be dismissed out of hand, but should be seriously examined to see if they work, and if so how, and why. One thing I can tell you is that before I part with $160+ of my dollars I want to see independent confirmation of the results, complete with charts, graphs, figures, and 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what it is. I realize that hands on expirence is of course inadaquate when compared with a persons qualifications. Practical expirence can never equal these essentials of technoligy and development. Hmm... It looks like the old argument between scientists and engineers. Scientist: There's no way that should work. Engineer: It's working, isn't it. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Spherical Rotary Valves
Check this out: http://www.coatesengine.com/ AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Pogo Stick - Just $24.95! Great gift idea for kids of all ages, from Youcansave.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/t5NeUC/QkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: using an inverter
Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you really want to get pedantic about a -=*PURE*=- sine wave you could install a ferroresonant transformer, which is a BIG resonant circuit built to resonate at 60hz. The computer lab at St. Petersburg College's St. Petersburg campus has one of these things. It does wonders for conditioning the power they get from Florida Flash and Flicker, but it must weigh 800 pounds. and sucks up a significant amount of power in the process, too. anton Indeed. That big ass thing hums like crazy, and keeps the lab nice and comfortably warm during what passes for a winter here. But if what you want is -=*PURE*=- sine wave then there's nothing purer. Like I said, only if you want to get _seriously_ pedantic about it. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Gas/diesel (was Re: Help needed)
Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking pretty seriously of running some tests on my '91 Toyota pickup with EFI to see if this is feasible with EFI. Seems like the EFI should do a good job of compensating, especially if you preheat the fuel. Hotrodders (just with gas on EFI engines) put in bigger injectors and bigger fuel pumps to increase atomization and provide more fuel, and the EFI deals with that, so this is another possibility. I'm also thinking pretty seriously about attempting to run my '87 Nissan pickup on ethanol. It has throttle body injection, but the EFI system does have an oxygen sensor. I haven't had time to mess with it, though. Does anyone have any insights on what the problems might be in attempting to run an EFI system built for gasoline on ethanol? Besides mixture concerns, of course. Alan. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: using an inverter
Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: older and cheaper inverters are square wave (super cheap) or, slighly better, modified sinewave (read almost square). almost all electrical devices run better on pure sinewave, and newer, nicer inverters are as good or better than grid power; the wave form is extremely high frequency steps that become a true sine wave after some filtration, and the frequency and voltage control is almost always better than the grid. If you really want to make sure all of the high frequency noise is gone you could run the output from the inverter through an appropriately sized choke coil. If you really want to get pedantic about a -=*PURE*=- sine wave you could install a ferroresonant transformer, which is a BIG resonant circuit built to resonate at 60hz. The computer lab at St. Petersburg College's St. Petersburg campus has one of these things. It does wonders for conditioning the power they get from Florida Flash and Flicker, but it must weigh 800 pounds. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Workshop: CONVERTING DIESEL ENGINES TO RUN ON VEGIE OIL
CONVERTING DIESEL ENGINES TO RUN ON VEGIE OIL A 1-DAY WEEKEND WORKSHOP in San Rafael, CA Choose either Saturday October 28th or Sunday October 29th 8:30am to 6:30pm Go From The Fryer To The Fuel Tank! Rudolph Diesel designed the diesel engine, back in the 1890s, to run on vegetable oil. 100 years later, the diesel engine will still run on vegie oil. Come to this hands on workshop to learn the whole process, A-Z, of converting a diesel passenger vehicle to running on 100% vegetable oil (with a bio-diesel start-up and shut-down). Workshop will be led by Jason Goodman and Ano Tarletz. Jason has logged over 13,000 miles on his diesel VW Rabbit and Van, both of which he converted to run on vegetable oil with kits by his own design. Ano has been making his own biodiesel and selling it to farmer's for a few months, as well as driving a Mercedes 300SD and VW Rabbit on his home brewed fuel. We will thoroughly cover the whole topic of using vegie oil, go over the basics of biodiesel use and production, and convert a car to running on vegie oil using a Greasecar* kit. Practical, political, and empowering. $75 in advance ($97.50 with the From The Fryer To The Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel book) $90 at the door ($115 with the From The Fryer To The Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel book) Call or e-mail for details. 415-289-2110 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website for more infromation about biodiesel and holistic and sustainable living. www.gaiayoga.org. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Aviation diesel engines
When I started paging through my current issue of AOPA Pilot magazine I found that the first shot has been fired in the aviation diesel revolution. SMA Engines www.smaengines.com bought a _full page_ ad in the AOPA Pilot! I think these folks are serious! Among other things, SMA's 230hp model will be available as standard equipment on the Cessna 182. That a manufacturer as large as Cessna has accepted this engine bodes well for its acceptance into the aviation market as a whole. SMA has built their engine to run on Jet-A, so it should love the extra lubrosity of biodiesel. Alan Petrillo -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the Towers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OT: Points of Failure (long)
Warning: This is long and off topic, so if you don't want to read it hit delete now. With all of the off topic posts about airliners hitting nuclear plants, I thought I'd throw in this one that a friend of mine forwarded to me from the NANOG list. It isn't about nuclear reactors, but rather about telecom, but it has a place in this discussion. You tell me, is this engineer's math in error? -Forwarded message from George William Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Points of Failure (was Re: National infrastructure asset) (fwd) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:05:08 -0700 From: George William Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some of this is drifting off topic. I have also juggled the order of some of David's points in order to address them in order of most-on-topic to least-on-topic for this list. David committed to electrons: Unnamed Administration sources reported that George William Herbert said: There are many many angles to all of this. And who will pay? In the end the customers will, of course. For any specific protective measure, there's a balance between risk and cost to protect against it, and for all risks there's a total balance of how much the customer is willing to pay overall period. We now know that the risk spectrum is both different and wider than it was. That now has to be assessed both technically and financially (cost of protecting, costs and risks of sustaining losses, costs customers are willing to bear) by all of us in the business now. The answers will not be the same for each business. The answer probably will be more push towards more hardening the more central to the net infrastructure a particular facility or business is, though, as a sweeping generalization. We've now come very close to losing major exchange points or telco centers of equivalent criticality several times. The consequences need to be addressed. The answer is obviously not going to be every colocation facility all the way out to your POP in Elko, NV being armored enough to withstand a nearby nuclear detonation. But how we do things structurally probably needs to shift a lot as a result. Too many people in the industries have blown off physical risk too much for too long. Not that I'm recommending every telco facility be hardened to resist a direct jumbo jet hit. But it's not that ridiculous a task, and lesser hardening (half or 1/3 that level) would be downright reasonable compared to the other costs of making these sorts of buildings for these roles. A 2 foot thick reinforced concrete wall, for example, might well be extremely reasonable. But every n of wall thinkness is f(n^2) less interior space; f(n^3) more cost to build, and f(n^8) more crap from local pols who really want retail space downtown instead of tombs. For small n compared to building dimentions, it's not n^2 but only n additional ground footprint. Ground footprint of my theoretical building without armor is 200x200=40,000 ft^2; with it, it's 220x220=48,000 ft^2. 20% more total. Thicker reinforced concrete walls are actually cheaper on a per pound basis than thinner ones are, believe it or not. Forms don't care how much space is between them, and form prep work is a lot of the cost. The actual rebar inside is porportional to volume/mass, as is the concrete cost, roughly (they both get marginally cheaper as you get to larger jobs and scale improves). If the local pols care, then you can either not build your data centers downtown, or put darkened glass windows on the outside of your concrete building to make it look like offices (this is actually reasonably good disguise and has been used in actual hardened facilities before). Another option is building-within-a-building; have offices around the perimiter, with the datacenter behind an internal solid concrete wall with few openings into the datacenter. Let's look at the worst credible case though, jet aircraft. Nuclear reactor domes are rated to survive jumbo jet hits. Better check this one out; there is considerable dispute of late on this very point.. A F4 !=747 after all. The F-4 was used for one particular demonstration and test (the famous jet-on-rocket-sled-into-concrete-block video clip). The design criterion was a moderately loaded 747. We now diverge into well and truly off topic analysis... Looking at the problem, you have a 20x200 foot fuselage weighing about 500,000 lbs with fuel and baggage, a (4-0.5)x200 foot wing weighing 200,000 lbs with fuel, and 4 8 foot diameter engines which weigh about 12,000 lbs each with fairing and mount hardware. The only parts that are really hard are the engine shafts and the main landing gear. The rest is pretty weak. The concrete wall mass density is around 2.3 tons/cu meter, or around 7 tons per square meter of outer wall. That works out to 1,400 lbs/ft^2. The jetliner body at 500,000 lbs and about 315 square feet has a mass loading of about 1,590
[biofuel] Hey, guys! Watch this!
[snip] See! It works! AP -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the Towers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] What's the temp in Fairbanks? This moment?
Message: 22 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:58:44 -0400 From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What's the temp in Fairbanks? This moment? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Cold. -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the Towers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Grab your shorts... get ready to travel...
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:40:36 -0400 From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Grab your shorts... get ready to travel... Qualified individuals requested to manage multiple 3,000 gpd biodiesel plants in the un[United States] at moment's notice... What qualifications are you looking for? -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the Towers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Looking for managers...
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:38:26 -0400 From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Looking for managers... Appal Energy is willing to enlist individuals knowledgebable [not a misprnt] inn biodiesel manufacture. 20 three thousand gallon a day plants to be constructed, US, in 70 days. Effective 10/1/20001 Sorry, but I can't wait 18,000 years. I'll make sure my great^900 grandchildren know about the offer, though. Hopefully humankind will have colonies around the nearest stars by that time and won't need it. -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the Towers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] In the event of...
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 02:43:09 -0400 From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: In the event of... In the event of...loss of electricity... How do you intend to play music? On musical instruments. -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the Towers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: To all in the US.
robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I was in Baltimore, Maryland for a conference when the tragedy struck, and I just made it home this afternoon. (It's Sunday.) Aside from feeling unspeakable rage at what has been done to my country, I can't help but feel that if we weren't so addicted to oil, the radical, violent elements within Islam would simply not have the money to finance their terror. Hear hear! We are now involved in an unconventional war. Not just we Americans, but everyone. Unconventional wars must be fought by unconventional means. One of the best ways we can fight these terrorists is by removing their ability to fund their campaigns. In part that means reducing our dependence on middle eastern oil. It's like going after organized crime. When law enforcement people want to get mafiosi they don't just go after the criminals themselves, but they also go after their lawyers and their financiers. That's the same method we need to use now. Unfortunately, all of my vehicles are fuel injected. If they weren't I'd be drilling out carburettor jets for ethanol. As it is I'm trying to figure out how to remap their fuel injection systems to deal with ethanol. I know it's more expensive than gasoline for urban dwellers like me, but I don't care. I see eliminating my personal dependence on gasoline as striking a blow, if a small one, at the terrorists source of funding. Perhaps I'll buy a diesel vehicle, pull the pieces of my biodiesel processing stuff out of the closet, and start making biodiesel again. Thank you to all the other citizens of the world who have expressed their condolences and grieve with us. Your sympathy and solidarity helps us cope. Yes indeed, thank you all. I must admit some outrage at the behavior or some of my fellow Americans, though. The problem is that I look like an Arab. I am not an Arab. I am not of Arab dissent. I am half Italian, and the other half is English, Irish, and Lumbee. But I look like an Arab. In the past week I have been flipped off, cursed at, threatened, almost run off the road, and had one of my vehicles vandalized because I _look_ like an Arab. And I have to call these people fellow Americans! ARGH!! Alan -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the Towers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: KOH - potassium hydroxide, off-topic anyway
kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Her comment re Oklahoma bombing was--If you think anfo is capable of cutting steel reinforced concrete you probably also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. I agree with her assessment. ANFO does not have the brisance needed for ferrocrete. The Marine barracks bombing was done with real explosive and look at what the signature was. Okla had pillar charges. No other way of doing it. The danger in ANFO is not from shattering brissance, but rather from overpressure. Some of the things I've seen and read about ANFO have said that for terrorist attacks on buildings it might actually be _more_ dangerous than higher order explosives because of its more sustained pressure wave. The shockwaves generated by the higher order explosives are more easily reflected from building structures, whereas the longer lived pressure wave from ANFO doesn't reflect as easily and tends to push structures over. In an interview Stacey Loizeaux of Controlled Demolitions said there was only one intact column left in the Murragh building in Oklahoma City after it was blown up, so apparently ANFO can be pretty effective against concrete structures. In the end I suppose it's like the difference between getting punched in the face by Mike Tyson versus getting body slammed by Warren Sapp. Tyson's punch is penetrating and shattering, but Sapp's body slam will leave you mashed into a depression in the turf. Neither one is likely to leave you in very good condition afterward. As far as ANFO's connection to biofuels goes, I suppose if you washed enough ammonium nitrate out of a _large_ quantity of chicken feces you could mix it with biodiesel and call it BANFO. humor When you aren't using it for blowing up oil companies you could burn it to cook your food while you're living in your tarpaper shack in the Montana wilderness. Ecoterrorism indeed. ;-) /humor Alan Petrillo -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the World Trade Center. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: KOH - potassium hydroxide, off-topic anyway
kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rudely inferring I am a country rube in the hills of Montana in a tar paper shack is uncalled for. Sorry if I offended you, Kirk. None intended. That was just a (lame) attempt at humor. This is why I'm a pilot and not a commedian. If you have evidence that the explosive used in OKC was something other than a truckload of ANFO I'd be happy to discuss it with you offlist. Alan Petrillo -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the World Trade Center. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] are nuclear plants really resistant to attacks?
Mati Kokk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last summer we were talking about nuclear energy in this BIOFUELS newsgroup. Somebody told that (most or all?) nuclear powerplants have been designed so that they are able to withstand fighter aircraft which falls onto the dome of the powerplant. Tests were done sometime in the late '80's IIRC in which a retired F-4 was loaded to its full gross weight, which is about the same as a small airliner, and propelled down a track into a test wall representing the concrete containment dome which is constructed around all US nuclear power reactors. The crash did not breech the test wall. But can the domes withstand to a falling full-loaded passenger plane? Indeed. Particularly something the size of a 767. Or to a falling helicopter with 5 tons of explosives onboard? That's not really much of a worry, as there are fleetingly few helicopters capable of lifting 5 tons. There are relatively few helicopters which are capable of lifting a single ton, let alone 5. If some nuclear plants are really resistant to such attacks, can we say the same about all plants? Almost certainly not. Alan -- He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind. Remember the World Trade Center. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- The Nissan Sentra Everything but compact http://NissanDriven.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vsIKC/txlCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Charlton Heston.
This will be my last post on this thread. Hopefully it will die a quiet death. L Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that we have a number of organizations out there with more balls than brains. Fortunately, unlike many of its even more radical brethren, the NRA has kept it efforts officially in the legal and legislative arenas. GOA (Larry Pratt) claims to be that org - time will tell. Time will tell, indeed. At least the GOA hasn't gone to the stunt of havving a spokes-celebrity as a president. NRA is fat and happy - just spent millions on the new building in/near the District of Criminals. They've been compromising with the devil for a long time - now they're like the Cancer Society - a cure would destroy their cushiy gig - illogical analogy, but close. A better analogy would be with the NAACP. They make their living from racial tension, and if we lived in perfect racial harmony they'd be out of a job. At least the people at the Cancer Society really believe in what they're doing and most of them actually want to be out of a job. This may come as a surprize to you, but it is not illegal to own a machine gun in the USA. You have to go through a mountain of paperwork, pay some stiff fees, get an FBI background check, and provide proof of security for the weapon, but if you can jump through all of those hoops you can own your very own machine gun. Check state constitutions and statutes. Some expressly exempt militia from any restrictions (like the Class 3 registration and extortion you refer to AND not in federal jurisdiction). I haven't looked into it in some time, so I'm not as familiar with the subject as perhaps I should be. The one thing I do recall about it is that while state laws may be more restrictive that federal laws they may not be less restrictive. Witness all of the acrimony going on over medical marijuana and industrial hemp. Why shouldn't convicted felons have their rights to own firearms restricted? They have already shown they aren't trustworthy. Much of the time by using firearms to commit crimes. If they show that they can fit back into society, and be good little boys and girls they can earn their full franchize back, and have their rights reinstated. I know personally several who have. Check Idaho - I am told a statute expresslly states there will be no restrictions on fellons as regards weapons. I don't know. I live in Florida, which does restrict the rights of convicted felons to own firearms. A position which I support. Until they have proven themselves capable of being good citizens I certainly don't want them to be able to go out and buy firearms at any gun shop. Sorry, Keith - don't have a copy to confirm. When I don't have to pay the 'rent', I be more thorough. Same here. And how easy is it to become a felon anymore? Slap a dog around; Since when was simple animal cruelty a felony? Chapter and verse? fly the Bonnie Blue (anti Federal Aggression flag and a song before the Stars And Bars); First amendment. The ACLU would be happy to help you fight it all the way to the Supreme Court. Besides which, I've never seen one outside of a museum. fly the current US corporate flag upside down in uptown suburbia; Since when were violations of the Flag Code felonies? Besides which, flying the flag upside down is a distress signal, and false distress signals cary penalties of their own. And if you're flying it upside down for political reasons then it's protected free speach under the First Amendment. Those of us who are veterans tend to be a little sentimental about the Stars and Stripes, if you know what I mean. or refuse to 'cooperate' in an investigation of one the their targets Law enforcement agencies have to have some muscle to flex in order to do their jobs. But they are also limited by several of the other amendments in the Bill Of Rights. I know personally a number of law enforcement officers, because they are fellow pilots. I wouldn't have their jobs for all of the money in the world. They have what must be one of the hardest jobs in the world. There isn't a man among them that I don't have a great deal of respect for. I know the Sherriff of Pinellas County, who is also a fellow pilot. I got to laugh at him one day when he was going to fly one of my boss's airplanes, forgot to untie the left wing and wound up doing turns around a tiedown. I know law enforcement agencies have their ugly underbellies too, but on the whole they do their jobs well, and they also have to operate within the confines of the Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. - and many more can make one a felon so fast your head will spin. Well, considering that the vast overwhelming majority of the inmates in our penitentiaries are there because of drug offences, I'd say the easiest way to get yourself a felony conviction
[biofuel] Diesel aircraft engines
F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many German aircraft of 1930-1945 were powered by the Junkers JuMo opposed piston two-stroke diesels in various sizes, with and without turbo-supercharging, including the Ju88 high altitude, high speed bomber. These were liquid cooled. That's the design which Diesel Air based their design on. Oddly enough, though the Deutz aircooled diesels have done well on the ground, the only aircooled aircraft diesels I know of are the Packard and Guiberson engines, both technically successful but neither successful in the market. I talked to a gentleman in Fort Walton Beach, Florida some time ago who had a prototype for a German diesel radial engine, which was designed in Germany early in WWII, and given to Deutz for development. It had several innovative features, like a knock off hub for the propeller. I lost contact with him, though, and he seems to have dropped out of sight. Lycoming also had a diesel design in the late '40's and early '50's, but it was underpowered and not a commercial success. The Packard was used in setting an endurance record in the Question Mark, though. Interesting. I'll have to look that up. The first Pratt and Whitney turboprop powerplant was also an opposed piston diesel in a sense - the PT-1 used a free-piston gas generator operating on the Diesel cycle to provide hot gas to the propulsion turbine. I remember reading something about that. I've never properly understood the free-piston design concept. Recently, Renault was supposed to be working on an aeronautical diesel plant, but I have no further info. That has since been spun off into SMA. Zoche in Germany seems to have failed to achieve certification. Alas. And they probably never will. Unfortunately. Their engine design is my favorite, but I seriously doubt we'll ever see it come to market. It _could_ have been on the market at least 5 years ago, but like I said in previous email, Georg's Money Machine. A friend of mine did a preliminary design study on a long-endurance personal aircraft using two converted VW Rabbit (Golf) diesels - the numbers looked very nice. Then we both got involved in other things. I still have the notes on file. I'd bet the folks on rec.aviation.homebuilt would be interested in them. With VW's new TDI engines you could probably make a really nice little long endurance homebuilt. Basically, though, diesels make good sense for low speed, long endurance aircraft. Indeed. Low and slow will always be the realm of pistons and propellers, barring some kind of major revolution in technology. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Charlton Heston.
Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: RE: Charlton Heston. The only real problem with the NRA is they wimped out. What we need is an organization with real balls who will start bringing lawsuits and criminal charges against anyone who even mentions gun control. You mean anti gun laws. Gun control is being able to hit your target. The problem is that we have a number of organizations out there with more balls than brains. Fortunately, unlike many of its even more radical brethren, the NRA has kept it efforts officially in the legal and legislative arenas. After all, all gun laws are illegal and unconstitutional, and anyone who proposes or tries to pass or implement them is by definition violating my civil rights, and as such obviously belongs in jail, or at least so tied up in lawsuits that they'll be dysfunctional essentially forever. Frankly, I think the Firearms Act of 1938 is a pretty good compromize. That's why I no longer belong to the NRA. So, to which extreem right wing group do you belong? If they start playing it straight again and announce their intention to rid us of the oppressive state and national firearms laws, They have had stated in writing in their policy statement since at least the 1970's that it is their intent to completely destroy the Firearms Act of 1938. Is that straight enough for you? ...especially the machinegun laws, This may come as a surprize to you, but it is not illegal to own a machine gun in the USA. You have to go through a mountain of paperwork, pay some stiff fees, get an FBI background check, and provide proof of security for the weapon, but if you can jump through all of those hoops you can own your very own machine gun. The days when criminals like Al Capone could go and buy machine guns at their local hardware stores are long gone, and I say let them go. I don't want criminals wandering the streets with machine guns. For damned sure I don't want to have to defend myself with a machine gun. I had enough of that when I was in the Army. ...I'd probably start contributing again. Jefferson and Washington, et al, would have personally shot dead anyone who suggested that the 2nd Amendment had anything to do with sporting weapons, except in an ancillary way, i.e., *anything* could be used to fight a war, I doubt they had even considered the issue. Back then many soldiers, particularly officers, provided their own firearms. The technology of sporting guns of the time was actually better than that of military guns. At that time there was little distinction between what was a military gun and what was a sporting gun. ...and likewise anyone who proposed that it didn't apply to all the people, including children... It does apply to children. It's perfectly legal for children to use firearms. -=*UNDER ADULT SUPERVISION!*=- Which is as it should be! I know. My grandfather taught me how to shoot when I was 7. and convicted felons. Why shouldn't convicted felons have their rights to own firearms restricted? They have already shown they aren't trustworthy. Much of the time by using firearms to commit crimes. If they show that they can fit back into society, and be good little boys and girls they can earn their full franchize back, and have their rights reinstated. I know personally several who have. Read the writings of the founding fathers -- they said all this *very* clearly, over and over. I have. And I find much of what they wrote open to interpretation. They even disagreed among themselves about the issue. The real problem is that we have a criminal organization running the country, from the top down, and it doesn't matter if it's Slick Willie or Dubbya, it's all the same, just another criminal gang. Fortunately, we still have a democratic system to work with, so if you don't like it you can change it by going to your polling place and voting on election day. Every election day! Exercise your First Ammendment right to free speach and support the candidates you like. If you don't like any of the other excuses for politicians then nominate one, or run for office yourself. If you don't like any of the other political parties then get together with enough like minded people and form your own political party. We got into the political mess we're in because so few Americans bother to vote. Less than half of us, usually, and that's in presidential elections. In non-presidential elections it's usually around 30%. In local elections with no national issues I've seen turnouts as low as 5%. Which is really sad, because the local and state issues will have much more direct effect on your life than the federal stuff. Because of our voter apathy, we Americans have no one to blame but ourselves for the mess we're in. I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you don't exercise your right to vote then you forfeit your right to
[biofuel] Re: Diesel Aircraft
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am also 'plane' crazy- I would love to build and install a diesel engine in an aircraft. I know, that German company (Zoche) is making 4 and 8 cyl radial diesels for air craft, but they have been promising that for more than 10 years. :-( Regards, Joe. It's worse than that. Zoche has been promising an engine for about 15 years. I doubt it will ever happen. Apparently the German government (Germans please correct me if I'm wrong) has some sort of program which give out research grants to small businesses for the purpose of designing new products. Once they get a product to market the grant money dries up. I seriously doubt we will ever see a Zoche Aero Diesel as OEM in a production aircraft, because Zoche Aero Diesels is Georg Zoche's money machine, and he wants to keep the government money coming in. greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check outsome of the WW2 aircraft the germans had, one was a seaplane that had a diesel. i`ll try and find more info. greg Oh, indeed, one of them was a seaplane. And what a seaplane it was! The largest seaplane in the world up to that time. The only seaplane that was larger was the Spruce Goose. It was built by either Blohm and Voss, or Dornier, I don't remember which. Unfortunately it was destroyed by allied aircraft either on or just after its maiden flight. Shame. The engines were built by Junkers, IIRC, and had some pretty interesting technology. There is a company in England which is building a diesel aircraft engine based on their design. www.dair.co.uk The Germans in WWII had more than just that one diesel powered aircraft. A number of their aircraft, including many of their bombers were also diesel powered. The Russians in WWII converted one squadron of bombers to diesel power at one point for the purpose of a raid on Berlin. Diesels were the only engines that would give them the range they needed. Their conversion was ill concieved, though, and their engines weren't anywhere nearly as reliable as the German ones. While they were able to hit Berlin, none of them made it home, due mostly to engine failures. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Greg. There were a lot of Early French planes that had diesels as well. Recently, there were two Frenchmen who put a 4 cyl. turbo Renault (?) diesel in a small homebuilt aircraft. That would probably be the Dieselis. Good looking little airplane, but underpowered IHMO. When it comes to French technology, Moraine-Renault, Renault Sport, and Aerospatiale have gotten together and spun off another company called SMA (Societe Motorisations Aeronautiques) for the purpose of building diesel aircraft engines. They have in the plans a 180 hp engine, and currently have one flying in an Aerospatiale Trinidad. I know they have a website, because I've seen it, but I can't find a bookmark for it and none of the search engines seem to spider it right now. Teledyne Continental, With a big check and a kick in the pants from Nasa. TCM has a website, but as is typical of large corporations it's useless. Lycoming also has a diesel project going in a joint venture with Detroit Diesel, but like TCM, their website us useless. and Deltahawk are also working on 4cyl diesel aircraft engines in the 200 hp category. Oh, Deltahawk has some _good_ plans! www.deltahawkengines.com Wouldn't it be great to fly an aircraft using Biodoesel? (piston, Bio-d can already be used in turbine engines) Cheers, Joe Just go to http://www.biodiesel.org/default2.htm and look at the results of using biodiesel in Baylor University's King Air. greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Big German seaplane] from what i remember it had a prop on top of the body. it was so slow that it was only used on patrol on the cost. good luck greg There were several of those. The British also had a similar flying boat for patrol in the Atlantic. Most seaplanes of the flying boat design either have the engine mounted on a pod on top of the wing, or they have a high wing configuration with the engines mounted on the wing in front of the spray line to keep the engines out of the water. Then there is the Consolidated PBY which had the entire wing mounted on a stalk above the fuselage, complete with two engines. Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it's strange that more diesels haven't been used in planes. The low revving powerband is ideal, most auto-gas engine conversions have to use a gear rpm reducer for the prop, since they badly lose efficiency over 2000 rpm. Actually, there are several aircraft engines out there built with prop speed reduction units on them. Continental builds several of them. Probably the most common, and the most powerful is the GTSIO-520. (Geared, Turbo Supercharged, fuel Injected, Opposed, 520 CID) Continental says they'll
[biofuel] RE: Charlton Heston.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I was against the NRA. I too am a former member and gun owner who beleives in an individuals right to keep and bear arms. I know. Don't appologise if you want to bust on them. They need some busting on. I do believe in an individual's right to keep and bear arms, but there needs to be some common sense and compromize exercised in policy, and the NRA comes up short in both. If the NRA really wants to do some good for the USA then they need to get back to their conservationist roots instead of just blowing hot air in Washington about gun rights. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Charlton Heston.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote BTW, wonder whether they had global warming and oil shocks on the planet of the apes (the old movie I mean, also with Charlton Heston -- did you know that he is a spokesman or some such for the American gun lobby?):~| [snip] Keith, Hanns, Chuck is president of the National Rifle Association (NRA). The largest most influential gun lobby in the US. The NRA is an interesting study in how a group can change over the years. It started out as a conservation group, largely for hunters who wanted to conserve the wild lands on which they hunted, and remained so for most of its existence. It has since morphed into the very picture of the right wing gun rights group, and conservation has dropped out of the picture. It has changed to the point that it has alienated many of its long time members. They are in fact the largest and most influential gun lobby in the US, but they keep needing membership drives because they lose members almost as fast as they gain them. Whenever any member of the NRA tries seriously to raise a voice for common sense or compromise, or a return the the NRA's conservationist roots, that person is almost always kicked out, and in a couple of cases people have received death threats. I don't know how much control Chuck has over the NRA. I suspect he's really a figurehead and spokes-celebrity. I am a gun owner, and I was in the past a member of the NRA, but they got too radical for my taste, so I didn't renew my membership. Alan (1896 small ring Mauser/7x57mm Mauser, Ithaca 37/12ga, Glenfield 98/.22lr, Nambu type 14/8mm Nambu) -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: French Mulberries
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote If you mean Callicarpa americana (aka French mulberries), they're not real mulberries (Morus alba) and they're not French (native to Texas), Really. Well, maybe I'm not as smart as I like to think I am. I had assumed they were native to south america or somewhere like that. We have a large amount of introduced wildlife that came from south america. but it seems they do produce fruit. Perhaps the reason I've never seen these trees produce any fruit is that they're all clones of one tree. In 20 years of doing battle with the mulberry trees on my mother's land I've never seen them produce so much as one single berry. Morus alba's a great energy tree. Great everything tree. Have a look at this - it might give you some ideas for the French mulberries: http://journeytoforever.org/edu_silk_mulberry.html Mulberry trees Looking at the links, it seems I've reinvented the wheel again. With all of this raw material to work with, perhaps I can make my own tapa cloth or paper. Re cattails, check this out: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Typha.html Typha ssp. Oh, I know cat tails can be really useful plants. The real problem with Cat Tails here in Florida happens when they get where they're not supposed to be. There are areas of the Everglades in which biodiversity has been practically wiped out by cat tails. One researcher made the observation If we don't find some way to stop them then in a hundred years the Everglades will be an endless monoculture of cat tails. Kudzu is excellent fodder for grazing animals, high protein, better than alfalfa and more productive. My mother did some experimenting with Kudzu as people food, when she found out that people eat it in the East. Being a biologist with a farming background, my mother is always looking for potential new food crops. She says the tubers, when cooked, taste something like beans. It's a legume and fixes a lot of N - generally a soil improver. That is one good thing I will say about the stuff it really _does_ improve the soil. The best way to eradicate it is to turn it into, first, beef, and second, pork. After the cattle are done, the pigs will root the rest out in search of the tubers, both animals manuring the land as they go. That would indeed be a good way of enriching the soil. I wonder if any organic farmers have used it that way for their fallow fields. The problem here is that people are not allowed to keep farm animals in an urban environment. That's how I got started on this whole thing. Mulberries and Kudzu are growing all over my mother's quarter acre in Clearwater, and the wankers from Code Enforcement cited her for unintended growth. Americans and also Australians it seem to hate the stuff, but where I've seen it growing wild in the East it has not been much of a pest. The problem here is that where there is nothing to eat it kudzu grows so fast that it will swallow areas quickly. The problem I have with it is that it's another introduced species that will outcompete our native flora. I've never heard it referred to as a pest here. Kudzu should be a good energy crop, but I can't find any references. I can see how it'd be a good energy crop because it grows so fast, but the problem would be harvesting it. Since it's a vine which clings to everything in its path you'd have to grow it on some kind of supporting structure which might make machine harvesting difficult. Harvest it, then shred it and pelletize it, and leave the root stock for the next crop. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] French Mulberries
I spent a large portion of my day today clearing French Mulberry trees from my mother's land. As I was cutting and disposing of them and cursing the epithet who introduced this species to Florida the thought came to mind about using these cursed things for something productive. The trees themselves grow obscenely fast, and a summer's growth will produce a trunk the size of a man's leg and twenty feet tall. They spread by the roots, and if allowed to they will quickly take over an area. They will grow back out of cut stumps. Cut pieces will take root and grow. They grow faster than any of our native species, and will outcompete them and displace them fairly quickly. Among mulberries, cat tails, and kudzu they're the plants that ate Florida! They grow without need of fertilizer. They provide their own pesticide in the form of a species of tiny black ants which seem to be symbiotic with them. While the wood is very soft, brittle, and breaks easily, the bark contains long, straight, and very strong fibers. These fibers are strong enough that if you break a stick the bark will usually just split lengthwise and let the broken ends of the stick poke through. It is then possible to pull the wood right out of the bark leaving the bark almost completely intact. Might these fibers be useful in textiles or paper? The only use I can think of for the wood is biomass fuel, because it is too soft and brittle for anything else. The wood is so soft they can be cut down easily with just loppers, and several of the trees I cut today were nearly 3 inches in diameter, the limit of what my loppers would cut. The worst thing about them is the even though they're called mulberry trees they don't produce any edible fruit that I am aware of. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] [biofuels-biz] fuzzy standards
Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my webster defines fuzzy, amongst other things, as '...not clear; blurred...' and i find present biodiesel 'standards' to be generally not clear, or misleading. [snip] There's an old saying about standards. Standards are wonderful. That's why there are so many of them. Seems to me the important thing would be to see what standard the manufacturer of your vehicle wants you to put into it, and then make sure the fuel you get (or make) fits that standard. I too would like to see a single standard, but with so many different standards organizations out there I'm not going to hold my breath. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't in an incinerator. Was being tested and caught fire. They got it out of the building but that's all. I did not examine the debris. I only heard comments about over a pound of missing plutonium. When did this happen? Where was the aerospace facility? Back in the '60's and early '70's the design concept for RTGs was that on reentry they should burn up quickly, and be dispersed over the widest possible area. I guess they mean like the Soviet Kosmos 954 satellite which burned up in 1978, shedding 20-25% of its reactor core (an actual fission reactor with Uranium 235 fuel, not an RTG) into tens of millions of pepper-flake sized particles over 124,000 square kilometers of western Canada. Yeah, right. Since then the design concept has changed to something a little more sane. Instead of metallic fuel they now use ceramic pellets containing plutonium dioxide, which will not burn. In the event of reentry, the newer designs will keep the RTG units together as long as possible, and keep the fuel pellets together all the way to impact, which if they don't survive intact they will break into large non respirable chunks. Even so, the best place for them is away from Earth orbit, where we don't have to worry about them comming down on our heads or our great grandchildren's great grandchildren's heads. Accidents happen. But to coverup on such a scale and to deny culpability when you have damaged others so deeply. Sociopathic behavior. Criminal behavior. But it goes back to what I said about the unscrupulous ones who are only interested in that next raise or promotion. Couple that with denying culpability on Smokey and my experience as a field service engineer at Picker and my impression of the radiation business is a snakepit. The stats are lies. Snakepit indeed. That's why I say the only nuclear reactors I like are RTG's operated in space _away_ from Earth. sigh So much for one and only comment. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what burned (RTG). Magnesium frame caught fire and it went to blazes from there. Given the design of the things, I'd bet the plutonium stayed in the incinerator. It probably left as pellets in the ash when the ash was collected and disposed of. Even so, it'll make whatever landfill the stuff was disposed of into a dangerous place for a couple of hundred years. Nothing is idiot proof. Indeed. Someone took the dog away. Which goes back to my original statement. It isn't the technology itself, it's the people running it that are the problem. Come to think of it, given the government's propensity to sell its problems off to unsuspecting people, I wonder if any of these things have ever been sold at a surplus auction. Wouldn't _that_ be interesting to find in your trailer load of junk! The thing has a couple of million dollars worth of iridium and rhodium in it, but you'd probably want to wait a couple of hundred years before extracting it, and until then you could jumper it into your solar system, and use it to help charge your batteries. While encased in a lead lined room, of course. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Power plants kill you
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the first commercial slogans of nuclear industries back in the 50's was Energy too cheap to meter. I remember seeing old newsreels about that. My first reaction was Yeah, right! Like _that'll_ ever happen! Power companies give up proffit? Not a chance! There was also great talk about nuclear powered, human occupied space ships traveling the universe. There still is, but we haven't yet even taken baby steps in that direction. We started to, but then we burned the fleet in the mid '70's. Fortunately it looks like we may be about to start taking some baby steps again. RTG's will certainly be along for the ride. Hopefully each one will be equipped with a large and muscular dog to keep the people away from it. Now we just have to come up with a fuel crop that can be grown in a greenhouse on Mars! -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: My one and only comment on the nuclear fracas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [incinerated RTG] Someone managed to get a cable on it and drug it out the bay door. It sat on the parking apron and burned. Fire dept watched it burn for a half hour until someone arrived with equipment. It goes back to what I said about human error, and what you said about nothing being idiotproof. What kind of idiot would put an RTG into an incinerator in the first place? Plutonium burns quite well. Like I said-- 50,000 lung cancers at least. Oh well. All of the RTG's I've read about have used Plutonium Dioxide in ceramic pellets as fuel, which wouldn't burn. And the pellets are encased in clads which are built to survive reentry. Was the one that burned a really old one or something? [other replies in private email] -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
