date:20150808

try useing the feed back link in the program.

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From: gosselin_louis via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:07 AM
To: 'Steve Clower' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Pastor Gil Pries' ; 
t...@window-eyes.com

Subject: RE: Windows 10 Question

Has Microsoft indicated any plan to bring back First-letter navigation?

Louis Gosselin

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Behalf Of Steve Clower via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:54 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries g...@embarqmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Windows 10 Question

Hello,

When you open the Start Menu, press the Up Arrow until you hear All Apps.
Press Enter at this point and the list of programs will be displayed. The way
you navigate in this list is a bit unusual, mostly because you can't use
first-letter navigation in the list. A demonstration of the Windows 10 Start
Menu (including the all apps screen) can be found here:
http://getwindoweyes.com/Audio_Video_Archive/Window-Eyes_Tutorials/tutorial_sections/10-Windows%2010.mp3.

HTH,
Steve

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On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 11:51 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Windows 10 Question

   Hi,
How do I get to my list of programs in Windows 10.  Can't seem to find the all
programs button.

Pastor Gil
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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

like it or not you will be forced to upgrade if you want to use any new 
software. more and more  companies are switching over to app only versions that 
won't run on windows 7. even though microsoft will support it until 2020.



-Original Message- 
From: Gary Petraccaro via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:30 AM
To: Sunshine ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

I don't see being forced unless you need to.  You may decide to change when
there's hardware that only the new OS can use.  You might decide to switch
when a program which requires the OS comes out.  Otherwise, as long as your
hardware works and your software doesn't need upgrading and you can keep the
system protected, there's no real reason to move.

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To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com; Chris challswor...@icloud.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol


So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with windows 7 
microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then is this correct? 
can this be confirmed?


On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to Win 7. 
As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several systems 
with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to upgrading to Win 
10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth these days!

Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 7 
and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pcb#0;s. 
LOL

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Regarding the gmail thing

2015-08-08 Thread Maria via Talk

Hi. This is Maria. I could check the e-mails and say that they're not 
spam, but in order to go into the web client, I have to do something 
about my password, some kind of security thing but because I don't have 
a mobile I can't get into the web. How do I fix this? Thanks.

Maria
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Re: Firefox accessibility with W-E

2015-08-08 Thread via Talk

I can not say that relations between GW Micro and other Software
Companies have changed, but I have noticed the level of accessibility is
shrinking over the last few years.  

It is not fair to blame GW Micro, but I do think it has a lot to do with
how current Software is coded.  

making a Program accessible seems to be a nuisance for many shops that
write Software.  

Perhaps the lack of accessibility has to do with the Pressure to release
a new title to the Market quicker, and to finish a project faster,
things like access for the Blind user, which are very low in numbers, is
cut in order to make those new Deadlines for new projects.  

As someone has already mentioned, software has become quite visual in
nature.  the Mouse is used, and even Finger Swipes are becoming the norm,
instead of Keyboard Short cuts from a Keyboard.  

A few days ago, I installed a new program, only to find it was lacking
any Keyboard Short cuts.  The Program was quite Mouse oriented, and to
the average Sighted user, the program would be easy to use.  

However, I am still looking for ways to use it, using a Screen Reader,
and an assortment of Key strokes from the Keyboard.So far, not
having as much success as I need in order to use this program.  

As for Firefox, it does seem as if the people they have doing some of
the programming, the last several versions of Firefox has been lacking in
giving total access.  



As where this trend will end, I am not sure if I really want to know. 
So far, this trend looks to be gaining momentum, which will leave many
of those of us who work for a living, possibly joining the ranks of the
Disabled because I can no longer do what is asked of me by my Boss.  

I also wonder if part of the reason Access is diminishing, is due to the
numbers of programmers from other countries, where Access for the Blind,
is almost unheard of, are now writing code, because these foreigners
are cheaper to hire than their counterparts here in the States or in
Europe.   I have no proof of this, but I am only tossing out suspicions. 

I know here in the States, we have legislation to force Companies to
make their products accessible.  microsoft has put effort into following
this, but what we have from Microsoft still falls short of what we need.  

I think we maybe should require Colleges to add to their Computer
Science classes, a section on writing code that makes programs
accessible to the Blind.  
the last Company I worked for, the Owner hired several Programmers from
the Philippines.  why? Because he could pay them $15 a day, and the
typical Programmer here in the States is going to demand far more than
this, per hour.  

the owner attempted to make this Philippine connection work any way he
could.  Couldn't tell you how often he flew there and had the
Development guys here in the States attempt to show them what they
needed to know.  Perhaps very good programmers in the Philippines cost
more than $15 per day, and the owner was just not willing to pay more. 
But when all was said and done, Thousands of dollars had been spent,
that would have been more wisely spent  by hiring quality American
programmers instead.   As it turned out, the Cheap Owner spent a lot of
money, and has nothing to show for it, and he still doesn't have a
program to go to market with.  

but, I can tell you, these Philippine programmers were not adding code to
make their project accessible.  they were just attempting to get
something worth while to even run.  









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Re: reverting to previous windows

2015-08-08 Thread christopher hallsworth via Talk

Hi you can only go back to your previous version within 30 days unless you have 
it as a system image. The other resets will work perpetually.
 On 8 Aug 2015, at 15:06, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 
 I wonder how long we'll have to do this.  Is it basically a 30 day grace 
 period? Or, are there actually any limitations?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Don H via Talk 
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 To: William Vandervest timelor...@hotmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion 
 List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: reverting to previous windows
 
 
 open the start menu and search for the word reset and it should pop up. I 
 did it twice and it worked well.  What issues are you having with Windows 10?
 
 On 8/8/2015 9:00 AM, William Vandervest via Talk wrote:
 can anybody tell me the process for reverting windows 10 back to windows
 7 using win-eyes 9.2?
 
 
 There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See
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Re: Question about importing/exporting settings in Thunderbird

2015-08-08 Thread Joe Paton via Talk

Chris,

I don't know if mozbackup will do what you want. It gives you a backup and
restore of your profile, mail boxes, and probably more.

As for the customizing, Don't know if that comes accross or not. Could be
worth a try though.

Works with Thunderbird, and firefox. accessible as well.

Joe

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:02:21 -0400
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Guys,

I have a question. A friend of mine told me yesterday that there was a way to
export all of my thunderbird settings then reimport them on another computer.
I don't speak just of all my e-mails, and all my accounts. I mean, it
literally imports all the things under account settings, as well as all my view
settings, all the things I configured through tools, options, etc.

I have looked literally everywhere. My friend wasn't totally clear if he used
an add-on to do this, or if you natively can do it.

Basically, here's the deal. I have Thunderbird completely the way I now like
it. I even had my mom drag the e-mail list headers with the mouse for me into
the order I desire. Plus, I have my gmail configured, a few mail filters set,
etc. I want to install Thunderbird on my desktop machine, but I don't want to
have to go through all the setup configuration again, as frankly, I'm not
totally sure I could totally remember what all I changed. Plus, I don't want
to have to get my mom again to drag my message list headers around for me, etc.
So, how can I export all of my settings, so that when installing to my
desktop, I don't have to go through all that crap again.

Chris.
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Fwd: Jim Kitchen

2015-08-08 Thread Josh K via Talk

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Jim Kitchen
Date:   Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:54:03 -0400
From:   psynthia...@aol.com
To: joshknnd1...@gmail.com

Josh, thank you for writing. It is so hard to have lost Jim, but hearing 
how much you enjoy Jim's games was more comfort than you could know. I 
hope you won't mind if I write from time to time. Thanks, Jim's sister 
Cindy.

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RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

2015-08-08 Thread Chip Orange via Talk

Nope ... embarassing but when I checked, it is a Dell Latitude E6530, and there 
just isn't anything I don't like about it.  It is one of the 5 pound laptops, 
in my opinion just the right size so that you can carry enough keyboard battery 
and processor, but some people may want one of the ultra-light ones which 
weigh-in at around 2 pounds or so.  These are highly portable, but their 
keyboards are quite difficult to adjust to I think.


I cannot find my collected notes on notebooks, so I searched through older 
Window-Eyes discussions, but only came up with one really usefully review so 
far, which I am pasting below.

Chip

---



-Original Message-
From: Ted Phillips [mailto:tedmusi...@shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:05 PM
To: 'Pat Ferguson'; 'Don H'
Cc: gw-i...@gwmicro.com
Subject: RE: While On the Subject of Notebooks

I just got a Lenovo idea pad flex 15 notebook, and I really like it.  It is
in the $500 to $600  range, depending on where you get it.  This laptop not
only has a 500 GB hard drive in it, but also has a 8 GB solid state drive to
boost speed, and it really does help performance.  I had a similarly
equipped hP and this one outperforms it 2 to one, and seems to be much more
stable.  The HP had other problems as well, that is why I did an exchange.
They are supposed to be well built laptops too.

Bottom line, I really like mine, and I have Window Eyes, Jaws and NVDA on
it, and WE works flawlessly even with my braille pen.  Hope this helps and
good luck on the laptop selection.




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Sorry Bob, I think I got the model wrong; I believe it was a Dell Inspiron I 
bought two or perhaps 3 years ago.

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:00 PM
To: 'Van Lant, Robin'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Hi Bob and Robin,

I bought a Dell Latitude E6530 a couple of years ago, mainly for all the 
reasons Robin just listed.  It's not off the shelf as hers is, but was 
customized, ordered via their business computers section.

I don't know if this model is still available, but you might try the same 
process, and tell the human you speak with your requirements (such as full 
keyboard).  I have been extremely happy with this laptop, which has performed 
in all ways as well as any desktop, but weights under 5 pounds, and has a 
bettery life (with the extended battery) of 10 to 12 hours.  It has a very 
large amount of ram buffering the conventional drive (called some sort of 
hybrid, as it has a lot of storage like a conventional hd, but is fast like a 
SSD).

I have more info at home, collected every time someone recommended a laptop; 
I'll see if I can find it and shoot it to you Bob.

Dell also offered a docking station which I bought ... in my opinion much 
better than the alternative technology called a port replicator; the docking 
station just lets you sit the laptop down into it, and it has its own set of 
audio and video connectors, usb connectors, power supply (larger, for a faster 
charge of your battery), and you don't have to fiddle around with connecting 
and disconnecting everything as you do with port replicators.  Docking stations 
are relatively rare, and again usually only sold to the business crowd.  

If you can't find anything at Dell which you like, my next recommendation is to 
go through the business group at Lenovo (formerly the IBM thinkpad line); they 
have a lot of business oriented equipment.  Business oriented pcs also usually 
come with Windows which is just bare Windows, and no crapware added on (another 
bonus).  Also, buying a customized laptop like this isn't the cheapest, but you 
do get exactly what you want (in my case, I got a lot of extras like SD card 
readers, a good DVD RW device, and a relatively small screen (which wasn't 
important to me and made things lighter).  You can also pay for exactly as much 
processor as you can afford, and usually can specify the more expensive (but 
faster) Intel version of power saving CPUs rather than the AMD line which are 
often placed into cheaper laptops to keep costs down.

Good luck,

Chip






Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:19 PM
To: Robert Ringwald; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

I have a newer Toshiba S75 that I got from Costco.  I picked it out largely 
based on the keyboard.  I wanted a separate

RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

2015-08-08 Thread Chip Orange via Talk

Yes, thanks Gary, I am looking forward to Windows 10, and the added 
anti-malware protection it contains.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of gary melconian via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 7:19 PM
To: 'Chip Orange'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Chip I have one similar the dell model that I have is the inspiron 5100. I 
believe that version is now updated to either the Inspiron 5000 or 7000 series. 
I don’t know off the top of my head. But the  model that I do have was a  quad 
core I 5 broadwelle  chip at 2.5 GHZ over clockable  to 2.9 GHZ with 8 GB of 
DDR3 ram, a 128 SSSD drive a dvd drive windows 7  pro which I just updated to 
windows 10  pro and now all my machines are now on windows 10.  I am not going 
back to windows 7 or 8.1 as windows 10 has a lot of new features tht I do like 
. I am now looking forward to seeing what new models the pc manufactures come 
out for the back to school and Christmas buying seasons.   

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 10:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Sorry Bob, I think I got the model wrong; I believe it was a Dell Inspiron I 
bought two or perhaps 3 years ago.

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:00 PM
To: 'Van Lant, Robin'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Hi Bob and Robin,

I bought a Dell Latitude E6530 a couple of years ago, mainly for all the 
reasons Robin just listed.  It's not off the shelf as hers is, but was 
customized, ordered via their business computers section.

I don't know if this model is still available, but you might try the same 
process, and tell the human you speak with your requirements (such as full 
keyboard).  I have been extremely happy with this laptop, which has performed 
in all ways as well as any desktop, but weights under 5 pounds, and has a 
bettery life (with the extended battery) of 10 to 12 hours.  It has a very 
large amount of ram buffering the conventional drive (called some sort of 
hybrid, as it has a lot of storage like a conventional hd, but is fast like a 
SSD).

I have more info at home, collected every time someone recommended a laptop; 
I'll see if I can find it and shoot it to you Bob.

Dell also offered a docking station which I bought ... in my opinion much 
better than the alternative technology called a port replicator; the docking 
station just lets you sit the laptop down into it, and it has its own set of 
audio and video connectors, usb connectors, power supply (larger, for a faster 
charge of your battery), and you don't have to fiddle around with connecting 
and disconnecting everything as you do with port replicators.  Docking stations 
are relatively rare, and again usually only sold to the business crowd.  

If you can't find anything at Dell which you like, my next recommendation is to 
go through the business group at Lenovo (formerly the IBM thinkpad line); they 
have a lot of business oriented equipment.  Business oriented pcs also usually 
come with Windows which is just bare Windows, and no crapware added on (another 
bonus).  Also, buying a customized laptop like this isn't the cheapest, but you 
do get exactly what you want (in my case, I got a lot of extras like SD card 
readers, a good DVD RW device, and a relatively small screen (which wasn't 
important to me and made things lighter).  You can also pay for exactly as much 
processor as you can afford, and usually can specify the more expensive (but 
faster) Intel version of power saving CPUs rather than the AMD line which are 
often placed into cheaper laptops to keep costs down.

Good luck,

Chip






Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:19 PM
To: Robert Ringwald; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

I have a newer Toshiba S75 that I got from Costco.  I picked it out largely 
based on the keyboard.  I wanted a separate number pad and so many of the 
keyboards I felt in various stores had all the keys squished together so that I 
couldn't quickly distinguish the arrow keys and function keys.  I know I could 
have used an external keyboard, but having have this defeats the purpose for me 
of the laptop.  The only annoyance I have with the Toshiba, and I heard this is 
not unique to this brand is that the Function keys do what there were designed 
to do

Re: I am waiting!


you don't have to wait.
if you have windows 7 or 8 you can go to microsoft.com and download the windows 
10 download tool.

32 or 64 bit version.
i thought i could run the 32 bit version on my 64bit computer to burn a 32bit 
dvd for my windows tablet but it would only run on a 32bit computer.
with the tool you can choose to download the files for a u s b flash drive or 
to download a real windows.eso file you can burn to a dvd.

you just have to be careful which version you download.
it has to match the version of win7 or 8 you have.
win7 or 8 home for windows 10 home.
win7 or 8 pro for windows 10 pro etc.
i don't know what home e n or pro e n means. maybe for enterprise version. or 
english?


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Jarvis via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 12:12 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: I am waiting!

Does anyone know how long it takes to get the message to download
windows 10?  I reserved my copy over a month ago and I still have not
gotten anything concerning downloading windows 10.  Did I miss
something?  Thanks Rick
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A question about this list

2015-08-08 Thread Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Would someone please tell me why it is that many of the posts from this 
list show no poster's name.  It is just and then a blank via talk.  I 
understand the use of pseudonyms, but why no name at all?


Don Roberts

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Re: All Aps Button And Window-eyes

2015-08-08 Thread Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk

Hi,

I have updated from win8, so a re-install should not be necessary, but I have 
done a new install from a downloaded install disk and still no startmenu.

Regards, Marten

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 10:04:28 -0700 net bat net...@comcast.net wrote:

 it may depend on which  version of windows you started with.
 if you upgraded from win 7 you have to re install w e 9.2
 if from windows 8 you usually will not have to reinstall w e 9.2
 but you definently need w e 9.2 with windows 10.
 
 -Original Message- From: Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:00 AM
 To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: All Aps Button And Window-eyes
 
 Hello pastor,
 
 Yes, I have the same. In the startmenu of windows10, WE will not read 
 anything.
 Nvda or Jaws will read all in startmenu, but window-eyes not. Don't know why.
 I have reported this to wesupport, but I think they are still infestigate  
 it. I got a mail about my windows of them and if it was 32 or 64 bits.
 I have  a32bits windows myself.
 
 Regards, Marten
 On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 06:53:28 -0700 Pastor Gil Pries via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
  Window-eyes is not picking up the all aps button in my start menu of 
  Windows  10.
  I contacted the disabilities desk and they said it was there.  Also narator 
   reads the buttons just fine.
  Has anyone else had this issue?
 
  Pastor Gil
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RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

I'm running two machines with windows 10. A dell inspiron laptop  on windows 10 
pro and a toshiba satellite on windows 10. So far so good. I am just hoping 
that edge will become more usable to us down the road. I will patiently wait 
for the access tech companies to adopt that.So far so good with the windows 10 
experience with window eyes. I don’t experience any of the issues that most 
have been complaining about with windows 10 and window eyes 9.2.   

-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange [mailto:chip.ora...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 12:31 PM
To: 'gary melconian' gmelconian...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Yes, thanks Gary, I am looking forward to Windows 10, and the added 
anti-malware protection it contains.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of gary melconian via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 7:19 PM
To: 'Chip Orange'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Chip I have one similar the dell model that I have is the inspiron 5100. I 
believe that version is now updated to either the Inspiron 5000 or 7000 series. 
I don’t know off the top of my head. But the  model that I do have was a  quad 
core I 5 broadwelle  chip at 2.5 GHZ over clockable  to 2.9 GHZ with 8 GB of 
DDR3 ram, a 128 SSSD drive a dvd drive windows 7  pro which I just updated to 
windows 10  pro and now all my machines are now on windows 10.  I am not going 
back to windows 7 or 8.1 as windows 10 has a lot of new features tht I do like 
. I am now looking forward to seeing what new models the pc manufactures come 
out for the back to school and Christmas buying seasons.   

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 10:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Sorry Bob, I think I got the model wrong; I believe it was a Dell Inspiron I 
bought two or perhaps 3 years ago.

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:00 PM
To: 'Van Lant, Robin'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Hi Bob and Robin,

I bought a Dell Latitude E6530 a couple of years ago, mainly for all the 
reasons Robin just listed.  It's not off the shelf as hers is, but was 
customized, ordered via their business computers section.

I don't know if this model is still available, but you might try the same 
process, and tell the human you speak with your requirements (such as full 
keyboard).  I have been extremely happy with this laptop, which has performed 
in all ways as well as any desktop, but weights under 5 pounds, and has a 
bettery life (with the extended battery) of 10 to 12 hours.  It has a very 
large amount of ram buffering the conventional drive (called some sort of 
hybrid, as it has a lot of storage like a conventional hd, but is fast like a 
SSD).

I have more info at home, collected every time someone recommended a laptop; 
I'll see if I can find it and shoot it to you Bob.

Dell also offered a docking station which I bought ... in my opinion much 
better than the alternative technology called a port replicator; the docking 
station just lets you sit the laptop down into it, and it has its own set of 
audio and video connectors, usb connectors, power supply (larger, for a faster 
charge of your battery), and you don't have to fiddle around with connecting 
and disconnecting everything as you do with port replicators.  Docking stations 
are relatively rare, and again usually only sold to the business crowd.  

If you can't find anything at Dell which you like, my next recommendation is to 
go through the business group at Lenovo (formerly the IBM thinkpad line); they 
have a lot of business oriented equipment.  Business oriented pcs also usually 
come with Windows which is just bare Windows, and no crapware added on (another 
bonus).  Also, buying a customized laptop like this isn't the cheapest, but you 
do get exactly what you want (in my case, I got a lot of extras like SD card 
readers, a good DVD RW device, and a relatively small screen (which wasn't 
important to me and made things lighter).  You can also pay for exactly as much 
processor as you can afford, and usually can specify the more expensive (but 
faster) Intel version of power saving CPUs rather than the AMD line which are 
often placed into cheaper laptops to keep costs down.

Good luck,

Chip






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Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

RE: I want Opinions On New Lap Top

Chip anything you would recommend in the dell line up currently that would bea 
good choice. I have been looking at the xps 13 as well as the 15 model with 256 
GB ssd Quad core I 7 with 2.6 Ghz and 16 GB of ram  with windows 10 pro.  What 
do you think is this a good configuration.  Iplan on replacing my 4 year old 
dell laptop either this year or next.  

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windows 10 question

2015-08-08 Thread George Brechman via Talk

Hello list members,
If I upgrade to windows 10 from windows 7 64 bit professional, do I have to
install my older programs that work on windows 7 64 bit professional?  Such
as winamp, and office 2010.  Thank you 
George

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RE: WINDOWS EDGE OR INTERNET EXPLORER

I much rather use what i know works with all access tech products.   

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 11:47 PM
To: Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion
List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: WINDOWS EDGE OR INTERNET EXPLORER

Hi Edge is accessible until it comes to browsing web pages. It can be done
though but there will be no virtual cursor to interact with. This will get
better over time and the next update to NVDA, 2015.3, will have experimental
support.

On 08/08/2015 01:29, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk wrote:
 Yeah,

 I've heard the same thing.  I hear it's not very accessible, if even 
 at all.

 Chris.
 - Original Message - From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: 'stephen thacker' steve.thac...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes 
 Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:28 PM
 Subject: RE: WINDOWS EDGE OR INTERNET EXPLORER

 I don't think Edge is accessible yet.  It was rolled out at the last 
 minute and the tutorials I've looked at encourage the use of IE.  I 
 hope that helps.  Shingles???  Yuck!  I hope you are on the up side 
 of that.  Good luck.

 Jo Taliaferro

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 [mailto:talk-bounces+soaringeagle7=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of stephen thacker via Talk
 Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 6:20 PM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: WINDOWS EDGE OR INTERNET EXPLORER

 Hi, what are the differences between the two internet apps, is Edge 
 as easy as ie, is Edge more complicated to use and if I wanted IE, 
 how do I ensure I get using onend not the other?

 I'm recovering from Shingles so please be delicate with me.

 Thanks, Steve
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RE: reverting to previous windows

You  Have 30 days to go back to what was on your machine. If you had windows
8.1 and you upgraded to windows 10 you have 30 days to go back. That's the
rule. I would not personally I find that windows 10  is much better then
windows 8 and 8.1 having been using it for a week now and just updated my
Toshiba laptop to it.  I would not go back that's my personal preference.  

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:07 AM
To: Don H lmdd...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: reverting to previous windows

I wonder how long we'll have to do this.  Is it basically a 30 day grace
period? Or, are there actually any limitations?

Chris.

- Original Message -
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To: William Vandervest timelor...@hotmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion
List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: reverting to previous windows


 open the start menu and search for the word reset and it should pop 
 up. I did it twice and it worked well.  What issues are you having 
 with Windows 10?

 On 8/8/2015 9:00 AM, William Vandervest via Talk wrote:
 can anybody tell me the process for reverting windows 10 back to 
 windows
 7 using win-eyes 9.2?


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Reminder about Thunderbird question

2015-08-08 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk


BTW, still, hardly anyone has written me back about my other TB question.

Is there a reliable way that I can move the message headings around in the 
message list?  So, say for example, that a folder has it where the subject 
is first, followed then by the sender's name.  What I want to do is reverse 
that so it looks more like Outlook.  I want it where it has the sender's 
name, then the subject, then finally the date.


My mom was able to fix this for me on my main inbox folder of GMail by 
dragging the sender's name header and dropping it on the subject header to 
reverse them with the physical mouse, but try as I may in version 38 of TB, 
I cannot seem to get my mouse pointer to focus there where I can do this 
myself.  It used to work, but apparently not anymore unless you all know 
something I don't.  The bad thing is, I thought that would work globally, I 
didn't realize when she was doing this for me that there is a graphic you 
gotta click to apply to all folders.


Could someone maybe write me a script that would shift those two flip 
flopped on the active folder when TB is fully maximized, then hit the 
graphic to apply to all folders?


I'd be happy to pay via PayPal if someone could do that for me, if there 
really isn't a reliable way otherwise.  I couldn't pay a huge amount for the 
script, but I'd be happy to pay up to $20 for it, should it not already be 
easily possible.


Just let me know.

Chris. 


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Re: A question about this list

2015-08-08 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk

Honestly, I wondered that same thing.  Quite honestly annoying.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com

To: t...@window-eyes.com
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:28 PM
Subject: A question about this list

Would someone please tell me why it is that many of the posts from this 
list show no poster's name.  It is just and then a blank via talk.  I 
understand the use of pseudonyms, but why no name at all?

Don Roberts

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Re: windows 10 question

2015-08-08 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk

Depends on the program.  All the ones you mentioned though, no.  Office, 
maybe, but I highly doubt it.  I didn't have to with 2013.

Chris.

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To: t...@window-eyes.com
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 5:03 PM
Subject: windows 10 question

Hello list members,
If I upgrade to windows 10 from windows 7 64 bit professional, do I have 
to
install my older programs that work on windows 7 64 bit professional? 
Such

as winamp, and office 2010.  Thank you
George

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RE: you will upgrade!!lol

Exactly the next office 2016 I don't think will  run on windows 7 as it will
be taking advantage of touch an that's only on modern devices which had 8.1
and windows 10. So whether you like it or not you will have to  upgrade if
you need to take advantage of modern apps that wont run on windows 7 but
will on windows 8.1 and windows 10.  So take advantage of it while you can
after 2016 windows 10 will cost you $119 for home and $199 for pro editions.
Just letting you guys know. while you have the chance to update for free I
would do so.   

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Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:11 AM
To: Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

like it or not you will be forced to upgrade if you want to use any new
software. more and more  companies are switching over to app only versions
that won't run on windows 7. even though microsoft will support it until
2020.


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Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:30 AM
To: Sunshine ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

I don't see being forced unless you need to.  You may decide to change when
there's hardware that only the new OS can use.  You might decide to switch
when a program which requires the OS comes out.  Otherwise, as long as your
hardware works and your software doesn't need upgrading and you can keep the
system protected, there's no real reason to move.

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol


 So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with
windows 7 
 microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then is this
correct? 
 can this be confirmed?

 On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
 Hi there!
 I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to Win
7. 
 As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several
systems 
 with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to upgrading to
Win 
 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth these days!
 Thanks  73 de
 KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

 On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:
 Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

 On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
 Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
 again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
 that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win
7 
 and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pcb#0;s.

 LOL
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Re: windows 10 question

2015-08-08 Thread Gregory Rosenberg via Talk

Good day George,

When you perform an upgrade in place it does not remove or disturb the software 
you had previously installed in Windows 7. It is certainly possible some of the 
software might be incompatible. In which case you should upgrade or uninstall 
such software.

Did you run the Windows 10 compatibility tool? The Windows 10 Compatibility 
tool would have told you if any of your software on your Windows 7 machine was 
incompatible with Windows 10 and advise you to uninstall such software. 

Useful Windows 10 Upgrade resources:

General help with upgrading to Windows 10:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/help-upgrade-windows-10 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/help-upgrade-windows-10 

Compatibility Report for Windows 10: FAQ
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/compatibility-report-windows-10 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/compatibility-report-windows-10

Windows 10 QA: (Fairly long)
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Windows-10-faq 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Windows-10-faq

If you want to check if there are any software or hardware issues that might 
impact your Windows 10 upgrade you can do so using the “Get Windows 10” Icon to 
“Check your upgrade status” and  generate a compatibility report. To do so 
follow these steps. (Note: that you must have installed KB3035583 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583 for the ?Get Windows 10 app 
and its associated icon to be available. You'll find it in Windows Update, as a 
Recommended update for Windows 8.1 and an Optional update for Windows 7.)


Note: I have included screen captures to assist those with low vision.

Step 1: Right-click the Get Windows 10 icon (on the right side of the taskbar) 
and then click Check your upgrade status.



Step 2: In the Get Windows 10 app, click the hamburger menu, which looks like a 
stack of three lines (labeled 1 in the screenshot below) and then click Check 
your PC (2).


Step 3: See the list of potential compatibility issues. The list includes 
separate categories for devices and apps. 


So far, most of what I have seen has been minor. If you see more significant 
issues, I'm interested in hearing about them. Feel free to send me an email.
Technical Note:

If that Get Windows 10 App icon doesn’t appear on your PC, here is what you can 
do to make it appear manually. There are some pre-requistes:
You will need the following updates:
For Windows 7 SP1 : KB3035583 and KB2952664
For Windows 8.1 : KB3035583 and KB2976978
If they are not in your Windows Update list, hit  the “Check for Update” option 
to forcefully download it.


 On 2015Aug 8, at 16:03, George Brechman via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
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 Hello list members,
 If I upgrade to windows 10 from windows 7 64 bit professional, do I have to
 install my older programs that work on windows 7 64 bit professional?  Such
 as winamp, and office 2010.  Thank you 
 George
 
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re heres an article on what the security experts do to stay safe on line compared to what the non experts do to keep safe online

Hello here's the article comparing what the experts do to stay safe online
compared to what the non experts do to stay safe online.   The link is below
for those who are interested.

 

http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2015/07/new-research-comparing-how-
security.html 

 

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RE: casperski antivirus

Heres the link  for those who are interested.

http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2015/07/new-research-comparing-how-
security.html

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez [mailto:geo...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:46 AM
To: gary melconian gmelconian...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

Okay, so what do they recommend?  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: gary melconian via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 7:24 PM
To: 'Chip Orange' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'David Goldfield'
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

If you want to know none of the security experts recommend antivirus. They
recommend two step authentication and a few other  security  procutions but
anti virus was not on the list of the security experts. I have decided to
follow what the security experts do and not what the so called regular
consumer does.

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Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:14 AM
To: David Goldfield david.goldfi...@outlook.com; Window-Eyes Discussion
List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

I think this is good advice David, but a lot depends on whether you have
reasonable access to sighted help if there's a problem.  There are blind
people who just don't ever.

To those who are resistant to trying the best anti-malware programs, I
suggest do try to use to mouse cursor, as sometimes you can learn to make a
program accessible by finding and clicking the proper choices.  I've done
this with Trojan Killer and before it PrevX, which  received some of the
best ratings at the time.  I do think I am switching to Kaspersky, as it
does get great reviews, and with all of us having to use pcs for electronic
banking these days (or bill paying, or other critical functions), we can't
afford to have a virus/trojan in our lives.  It's my same reasoning which
causes me to urge everyone here to use the paid version of Window-Eyes, so
that you have support, because your pc is usually quite critical to your
daily life.

Yes, MSE isn't the best, but I still recommend it to people who have no
sighted help ever, or who won't spend money for anti-malware.  It's better
than nothing.

Chip

Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314

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Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:25 PM
To: Brice Mijares; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

I have never used Kaspersky with Window-Eyes. However, it may offer some
degree of accessibility and it is the antimalware program I chose to use as
of a few months ago, after Microsoft Security Essentials failed to protect
me against a rather crippling virus. I use it because it is one of the
top-rated antivirus packages on the market and I refuse to compromise my
computer's security in the name of accessibility.
I am, as some people may know, extremely passionate and a bit militant about
this issue and I apologize if I come off too strong about this.
However, blind people need to consider that we need to use the security
software which is highly-rated, rather than choosing the package that works
best with a screen reader but which may not offer an acceptable level of
protection. I am trying to dialog with Kaspersky regarding these issues and
I plan to continue to do so until accessibility is improved. I would like to
strongly urge all of you to do the same. If one person contacts a company,
they may be less inclined to act. If many of us contact them with the same
concerns, particularly if we're paying customers, perhaps we'll get results
which will be more favorable to us.
So many of us, myself included, find it easier to choose a security program
because it works best with whatever screen reader we happen to be using.
When it comes to the security of my computer, that is no longer acceptable
to me. For years, I relied upon MSE because it was speech-friendly. I'm also
an extremely cautious, responsible and security-conscious user but these
traits are no longer enough to keep you safe. I now insist on using security
software which is highly-rated, meaning that it gets excellent scores with
independent lab tests. If it's not accessible, I am willing to engage in
constructive dialog with the company and I will go to incredible lengths to
do this but, in the end my goal is to make it accessible.

On 8/6/2015 2:45 PM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
 Not at all! My notebook running 8.1 came with it and after upgrading 
 yesterday to windows 10 I was glad to see it was gone.
 - Original Message - From: Casey via Talk
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:33 AM

Windows 10 and Office 365 problems.

2015-08-08 Thread Jim Noseworthy via Talk

Hi Folks:

Since updating to Windows 10, my outlook 365 is not working properly.  Any 
thoughts?

Thanks.


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Re: Reminder about Thunderbird question

I did this a long time ago using the mouse drag and drop hot key. And I 
remember having to track down how to do it in Thunderbird help because 
there was some quirk about how you could move these items. I don't 
remember what that was now. But in the end I got it done without too 
much trouble. Below is the Window-Eyes help for the Drag and Drop hot key.


Mouse Drag and Drop.
Window-Eyes provides a straight-forward method to perform a drag and 
drop operation with the mouse. Follow these steps to

drag and drop.

Move the mouse pointer to the item you want to move or the start of the 
text you want to select.
Press the Mouse Drag and Drop hot key, which is Insert-Numpad-Delete by 
default. Window-Eyes will say, mark.
Move the pointer to where you want the item to move or where end of the 
text you want to select.

Press the Mouse Drag and Drop hot key again.
A dialog will open. Choose Drop, and press Enter.  Note that for the 
drag and drop to work successfully, both the start and end locations you 
choose must remain visible. The operation will fail if part of the area 
is covered up by another window.


Hth,
Tom


On 8/8/2015 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk wrote:

BTW, still, hardly anyone has written me back about my other TB question.

Is there a reliable way that I can move the message headings around in
the message list?  So, say for example, that a folder has it where the
subject is first, followed then by the sender's name.  What I want to do
is reverse that so it looks more like Outlook.  I want it where it has
the sender's name, then the subject, then finally the date.

My mom was able to fix this for me on my main inbox folder of GMail by
dragging the sender's name header and dropping it on the subject header
to reverse them with the physical mouse, but try as I may in version 38
of TB, I cannot seem to get my mouse pointer to focus there where I can
do this myself.  It used to work, but apparently not anymore unless you
all know something I don't.  The bad thing is, I thought that would work
globally, I didn't realize when she was doing this for me that there is
a graphic you gotta click to apply to all folders.

Could someone maybe write me a script that would shift those two flip
flopped on the active folder when TB is fully maximized, then hit the
graphic to apply to all folders?

I'd be happy to pay via PayPal if someone could do that for me, if there
really isn't a reliable way otherwise.  I couldn't pay a huge amount for
the script, but I'd be happy to pay up to $20 for it, should it not
already be easily possible.

Just let me know.

Chris.
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Re: A question about this list

When the lists were changed over not everyone's name went with it, 
myself included. I had to go to the membership options, which is a link 
at the bottom of every message, and enter my name.


Tom


On 8/8/2015 5:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk wrote:

Honestly, I wondered that same thing.  Quite honestly annoying.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
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Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:28 PM
Subject: A question about this list



Would someone please tell me why it is that many of the posts from
this list show no poster's name.  It is just and then a blank via
talk.  I understand the use of pseudonyms, but why no name at all?

Don Roberts

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All Aps Button And Window-Eyes

2015-08-08 Thread Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

I reinstalled WE 9.2 and still it doesn’t read the button.

Pastor Gil
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Win 10 tablet mode

2015-08-08 Thread Don H via Talk

My wife somehow got tablet mode enabled on her Win 10 laptop.  All kinds 
of strange things started happening including not being able to close 
the app menu or start menu or what ever you want to call it.  Took me a 
while to figure it out and turn tablet mode off.  It is in the settings 
screen.

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Re: All Aps Button And Window-Eyes

2015-08-08 Thread tchild via Talk


Hi,
H!! If you are talking about the aps button if I open the start menu 
with either ctrl and esc, or the win key. and tab once it does read aps 
button


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 6:48 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: All Aps Button And Window-Eyes

I reinstalled WE 9.2 and still it doesn’t read the button.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Fwd: Jim Kitchen

2015-08-08 Thread Sue J Ward via Talk

 Sorry to hear about his passing. I really love his games. Is there a 
chance that the website will still be up and running? His games he 
created will be enjoyed for a long time. I have at least six games on my 
secondary computer that I mainly use for entertainment: mainly, music, 
games, and movies. If there is a way to keep the website going, maybe 
put up some paypal link or something to keep it up and running..


On 8/8/2015 3:26 PM, Josh K via Talk wrote:



follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982



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Subject: Jim Kitchen
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:54:03 -0400
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To: joshknnd1...@gmail.com



Josh, thank you for writing. It is so hard to have lost Jim, but 
hearing how much you enjoy Jim's games was more comfort than you could 
know. I hope you won't mind if I write from time to time. Thanks, 
Jim's sister Cindy.



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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-08 Thread Sue J Ward via Talk

 Hello. Thanks so much for the info. It is good stuff. As for me am 
going to wait for a while before upgrading, probably upgrade around 
Christmas time. Heck Santa has to keep up with all of his lists and 
stuff sure he has to upgrade if he is going to use the latest version 
just to keep track of it all.


On 8/8/2015 5:26 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

Exactly the next office 2016 I don't think will  run on windows 7 as it will
be taking advantage of touch an that's only on modern devices which had 8.1
and windows 10. So whether you like it or not you will have to  upgrade if
you need to take advantage of modern apps that wont run on windows 7 but
will on windows 8.1 and windows 10.  So take advantage of it while you can
after 2016 windows 10 will cost you $119 for home and $199 for pro editions.
Just letting you guys know. while you have the chance to update for free I
would do so.

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Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:11 AM
To: Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

like it or not you will be forced to upgrade if you want to use any new
software. more and more  companies are switching over to app only versions
that won't run on windows 7. even though microsoft will support it until
2020.


-Original Message-
From: Gary Petraccaro via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:30 AM
To: Sunshine ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

I don't see being forced unless you need to.  You may decide to change when
there's hardware that only the new OS can use.  You might decide to switch
when a program which requires the OS comes out.  Otherwise, as long as your
hardware works and your software doesn't need upgrading and you can keep the
system protected, there's no real reason to move.

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Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol



So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with

windows 7

microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then is this

correct?

can this be confirmed?

On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to Win

7.

As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several

systems

with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to upgrading to

Win

10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth these days!
Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:

Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win

7

and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pcb#0;s.
LOL
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uninstalling ie 11

2015-08-08 Thread Bud Schwab via Talk


Hi Guys,

I'm having a lot of trouble using IE 11.  It crashes almost every 
time and the other times it is extremely slow.  It locks up the whole 
computer, can't even bring up NVDA.  So I decided maybe there is a 
problem with IE itself.  I did download a new copy of IE 11 but can't 
figure out how to uninstall the old copy of IE 11. Any help is welcome.

Thanks.


Bud Schwab
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Re: Question about importing/exporting settings in Thunderbird

2015-08-08 Thread Sue J Ward via Talk

Maybe try an add on called import export tools. Just do a search in
Google hopefully you should come up with the add on try installing that.
I use this add on just to back up my messages that I save in the archive
folders. I have an archive folder for each of my accounts so once in a
while I will back them up. Yes moz back up is another great tool to use.
It works great.

On 8/8/2015 3:21 PM, Joe Paton via Talk wrote:

Chris,

I don't know if mozbackup will do what you want. It gives you a backup and
restore of your profile, mail boxes, and probably more.

As for the customizing, Don't know if that comes accross or not. Could be
worth a try though.

Works with Thunderbird, and firefox. accessible as well.

Joe

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:02:21 -0400
Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

Guys,

I have looked literally everywhere. My friend wasn't totally clear if he used
an add-on to do this, or if you natively can do it.

Chris.
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RE: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-08 Thread Charles Short via Talk

Me, too. ...I'm going to wait until all the bugs/glitches are worked out,
then upgrade. ...right now, no way!
Charlie


Best Regards

Charlie Short

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sue J Ward via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:37 PM
To: gary melconian gmelconian...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

  Hello. Thanks so much for the info. It is good stuff. As for me am going
to wait for a while before upgrading, probably upgrade around Christmas
time. Heck Santa has to keep up with all of his lists and stuff sure he has
to upgrade if he is going to use the latest version just to keep track of it
all.

On 8/8/2015 5:26 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:
 Exactly the next office 2016 I don't think will  run on windows 7 as 
 it will be taking advantage of touch an that's only on modern devices 
 which had 8.1 and windows 10. So whether you like it or not you will 
 have to  upgrade if you need to take advantage of modern apps that 
 wont run on windows 7 but will on windows 8.1 and windows 10.  So take 
 advantage of it while you can after 2016 windows 10 will cost you $119 for
home and $199 for pro editions.
 Just letting you guys know. while you have the chance to update for 
 free I would do so.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
 Behalf Of net bat via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:11 AM
 To: Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion 
 List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

 like it or not you will be forced to upgrade if you want to use any 
 new software. more and more  companies are switching over to app only 
 versions that won't run on windows 7. even though microsoft will 
 support it until 2020.


 -Original Message-
 From: Gary Petraccaro via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:30 AM
 To: Sunshine ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

 I don't see being forced unless you need to.  You may decide to change 
 when there's hardware that only the new OS can use.  You might decide 
 to switch when a program which requires the OS comes out.  Otherwise, 
 as long as your hardware works and your software doesn't need 
 upgrading and you can keep the system protected, there's no real reason to
move.

 - Original Message -
 From: Sunshine via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com; Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol


 So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with
 windows 7
 microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then is this
 correct?
 can this be confirmed?

 On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
 Hi there!
 I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to
Win
 7.
 As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several
 systems
 with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to 
 upgrading to
 Win
 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth these days!
 Thanks  73 de
 KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

 On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:
 Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

 On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
 Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to 
 upgraded again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the 
 crap w that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip 
 from XP to win
 7
 and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples
pcb#0;s.
 LOL
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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-08 Thread Loy via Talk

Then you will never upgrade. I've never seen an OS that did not have some 
bugs and glitches. smile
- Original Message - 
From: Charles Short via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: groov...@juno.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: you will upgrade!!lol

Me, too. ...I'm going to wait until all the bugs/glitches are worked out,
then upgrade. ...right now, no way!
Charlie

Best Regards

Charlie Short

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sue J Ward via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:37 PM
To: gary melconian gmelconian...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

 Hello. Thanks so much for the info. It is good stuff. As for me am going
to wait for a while before upgrading, probably upgrade around Christmas
time. Heck Santa has to keep up with all of his lists and stuff sure he 
has
to upgrade if he is going to use the latest version just to keep track of 
it

all.

On 8/8/2015 5:26 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

Exactly the next office 2016 I don't think will  run on windows 7 as
it will be taking advantage of touch an that's only on modern devices
which had 8.1 and windows 10. So whether you like it or not you will
have to  upgrade if you need to take advantage of modern apps that
wont run on windows 7 but will on windows 8.1 and windows 10.  So take
advantage of it while you can after 2016 windows 10 will cost you $119 
for

home and $199 for pro editions.

Just letting you guys know. while you have the chance to update for
free I would do so.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:11 AM
To: Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion
List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

like it or not you will be forced to upgrade if you want to use any
new software. more and more  companies are switching over to app only
versions that won't run on windows 7. even though microsoft will
support it until 2020.

-Original Message-
From: Gary Petraccaro via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:30 AM
To: Sunshine ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

I don't see being forced unless you need to.  You may decide to change
when there's hardware that only the new OS can use.  You might decide
to switch when a program which requires the OS comes out.  Otherwise,
as long as your hardware works and your software doesn't need
upgrading and you can keep the system protected, there's no real reason 
to

move.

- Original Message -
From: Sunshine via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com; Chris challswor...@icloud.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with

windows 7

microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then is this

correct?

can this be confirmed?

On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to

Win

7.

As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several

systems

with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to
upgrading to

Win

10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth these days!
Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:

Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to
upgraded again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the
crap w that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip
from XP to win

7

and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples

pcb#0;s.

LOL
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Re: Win 10 tablet mode

2015-08-08 Thread Scott via Talk

yes, be careful yall, as if you do this, which i did too, it  takes a 
while to figure out why your computer isn't working like it should..

hth

Scott

On 8/8/2015 8:06 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
My wife somehow got tablet mode enabled on her Win 10 laptop.  All 
kinds of strange things started happening including not being able to 
close the app menu or start menu or what ever you want to call it.  
Took me a while to figure it out and turn tablet mode off. It is in 
the settings screen.

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Accessible Password Managers

2015-08-08 Thread Nancy B. Gibson via Talk


Hi List, 

I'd like some recommendations of an easy to use and accessible using 
Window-Eyes password manager program.  Any suggestions would be appreciated. 

Oh yeah, using a Windows 7 computer and currently WE 9.1.
 
Thanks,
Nancy


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Re: casperski antivirus

With all due respect, Gary, I would suggest taking a closer look at the 
blog and reading the entire actual report. My read of it is that using 
antivirus software is a given. The true focus is on the fact that there 
are other things we should be doing to up our security, i.e. unique and 
strong passwords, use a password manager, and keep our operating systems 
and applications up to date. The assumption of antivirus use is why 
these things were in their top list. There was also a much higher use of 
Linux among the experts, which changes the whole equation.


From the blog:
Experts acknowledged the benefits of antivirus software, but  expressed 
concern that it might give users a false sense of security since it’s 
not a bulletproof solution.


From the report:
1. note that antivirus effectiveness and vulnerability to malware 
infections are dependent on user behavior in various respects, from

whether users install antivirus software, to how users configure
their antivirus software, to what websites they visit. They found
that 38% of the participants in their study were exposed to malware
that antivirus software cleaned, so they demonstrate that the behavior
to install and configure antivirus software can actually make
users more secure.

2. Some non-expert practices were considered “good” by experts (e.g., 
install antivirus software,

use strong passwords); others were not (e.g., delete cookies,
visit only known websites).

Regards,
Tom



On 8/8/2015 6:17 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

Heres the link  for those who are interested.

http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2015/07/new-research-comparing-how-
security.html

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez [mailto:geo...@optonline.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:46 AM
To: gary melconian gmelconian...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

Okay, so what do they recommend?  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: gary melconian via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 7:24 PM
To: 'Chip Orange' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'David Goldfield'
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

If you want to know none of the security experts recommend antivirus. They
recommend two step authentication and a few other  security  procutions but
anti virus was not on the list of the security experts. I have decided to
follow what the security experts do and not what the so called regular
consumer does.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 9:14 AM
To: David Goldfield david.goldfi...@outlook.com; Window-Eyes Discussion
List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: casperski antivirus

I think this is good advice David, but a lot depends on whether you have
reasonable access to sighted help if there's a problem.  There are blind
people who just don't ever.

To those who are resistant to trying the best anti-malware programs, I
suggest do try to use to mouse cursor, as sometimes you can learn to make a
program accessible by finding and clicking the proper choices.  I've done
this with Trojan Killer and before it PrevX, which  received some of the
best ratings at the time.  I do think I am switching to Kaspersky, as it
does get great reviews, and with all of us having to use pcs for electronic
banking these days (or bill paying, or other critical functions), we can't
afford to have a virus/trojan in our lives.  It's my same reasoning which
causes me to urge everyone here to use the paid version of Window-Eyes, so
that you have support, because your pc is usually quite critical to your
daily life.

Yes, MSE isn't the best, but I still recommend it to people who have no
sighted help ever, or who won't spend money for anti-malware.  It's better
than nothing.

Chip






Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



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Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:25 PM
To: Brice Mijares; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: casperski antivirus

I have never used Kaspersky with Window-Eyes. However, it may offer some
degree of accessibility and it is the antimalware program I chose to use as
of a few months ago, after Microsoft Security Essentials failed to protect
me against a rather crippling virus. I use it because it is one of the
top-rated antivirus packages on the market and I refuse to compromise my
computer's security in the name of accessibility.
I am, as some people may know, extremely passionate and a bit militant about
this issue and I apologize if I come off too strong about this.
However, blind people need to consider that we need to use the security
software which is highly-rated, rather than choosing the package that works
best with a screen reader but which may not offer an

Re: uninstalling ie 11


Bud,

You can reset all IE 11 settings back to the defaults used when it was 
installed.

Open control panel, Internet Options.
Tab down to the Reset button and activate it.

Hth,
Tom


On 8/8/2015 8:38 PM, Bud Schwab via Talk wrote:

Hi Guys,

I'm having a lot of trouble using IE 11.  It crashes almost every time
and the other times it is extremely slow.  It locks up the whole
computer, can't even bring up NVDA.  So I decided maybe there is a
problem with IE itself.  I did download a new copy of IE 11 but can't
figure out how to uninstall the old copy of IE 11. Any help is welcome.
Thanks.


Bud Schwab
W 6 Z Y P
El Segundo, California
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Re: Fwd: Jim Kitchen

2015-08-08 Thread Marcie Brink-Chaney via Talk


On 8/8/2015 8:31 PM, Sue J Ward via Talk wrote:
 Sorry to hear about his passing. I really love his games. Is there a 
chance that the website will still be up and running? His games he 
created will be enjoyed for a long time. I have at least six games on 
my secondary computer that I mainly use for entertainment: mainly, 
music, games, and movies. If there is a way to keep the website going, 
maybe put up some paypal link or something to keep it up and running..


On 8/8/2015 3:26 PM, Josh K via Talk wrote:



follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982



 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Jim Kitchen
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:54:03 -0400
From: psynthia...@aol.com
To: joshknnd1...@gmail.com



Josh, thank you for writing. It is so hard to have lost Jim, but 
hearing how much you enjoy Jim's games was more comfort than you 
could know. I hope you won't mind if I write from time to time. 
Thanks, Jim's sister Cindy.



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He was a fine man and every time I contacted him to find out something 
about running games and problems, he would always respond and his games 
are fun. He will be missed by a lot of people.


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RE: Win 10 tablet mode

In settings where do you go just in case someone turns it on by accident.  

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Subject: Win 10 tablet mode

My wife somehow got tablet mode enabled on her Win 10 laptop.  All kinds of
strange things started happening including not being able to close the app
menu or start menu or what ever you want to call it.  Took me a while to
figure it out and turn tablet mode off.  It is in the settings screen.
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RE: Accessible Password Managers

I Use last pass its free but if you want to support he development efforts
then its $1 a mont and $12 a year and you do this  monthly or yearly.  

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Behalf Of Nancy B. Gibson via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 6:17 PM
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Subject: Accessible Password Managers

Hi List, 

I'd like some recommendations of an easy to use and accessible using
Window-Eyes password manager program.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Oh yeah, using a Windows 7 computer and currently WE 9.1.

Thanks,
Nancy

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Ebay and running Searches

2015-08-08 Thread via Talk

Hello,

As we all know, Software changes come, and then come again.  Sometimes
requiring to re learn something.

I am using 9.1 and I.E. 11.  When I go to Ebay, I once could easily type
in what ever it was I was looking for, but now something has changed.  

I am not locating the line where I can type in my item.

I find no Edit Box to type in my item.  

All the other text for that screen seems to be the same.  

has anyone figured out the new twist to finding and typing in the line
for searching on Ebay?  

Thanks,

Dave


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Re: Fwd: Jim Kitchen

2015-08-08 Thread Josh K via Talk

they will be on the USA games site and also Aprone, the guy who made 
swamp is hosting them also. his jim's website is still up though.


follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 8/8/2015 8:31 PM, Sue J Ward wrote:
 Sorry to hear about his passing. I really love his games. Is there a 
chance that the website will still be up and running? His games he 
created will be enjoyed for a long time. I have at least six games on 
my secondary computer that I mainly use for entertainment: mainly, 
music, games, and movies. If there is a way to keep the website going, 
maybe put up some paypal link or something to keep it up and running..


On 8/8/2015 3:26 PM, Josh K via Talk wrote:



follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982



 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Jim Kitchen
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:54:03 -0400
From: psynthia...@aol.com
To: joshknnd1...@gmail.com



Josh, thank you for writing. It is so hard to have lost Jim, but 
hearing how much you enjoy Jim's games was more comfort than you 
could know. I hope you won't mind if I write from time to time. 
Thanks, Jim's sister Cindy.



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