dinging mouse

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,

Please ignore my message, a copy of which appears below,because the 
mouse keys are now working correctly.


Once a week I bak up my system so just replaced the existing WE default 
folder and problem gone.  A setting of some sort must have been changed 
some how but thanks to the back up, a problem no longer.


Neville.

Using: Latest WE, W7 HP 32 bit,

When an attempt is made to go down the screen with the mouse keys it 
only dings although the arrow keys work as normal.  This behaviour 
happens on the Desktop, in Thunderbird and it seems, everywhere else. 
This behaviour has only started in the past couple of days.


The mouse boundry is set to active window but all boundaries give the 
same result.


The correct set file is loaded and associated.

The screen is maximized.

All apps were turned off for a while but no difference there either.

I am wondering if it is the keyboard layout command but can not find the 
command to invoke or disable it.



Has anyone got any ideas on what else can be tried?  This is driving me 
nuts.


Cheers
Neville.

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dinging mouse

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,

Using: Latest WE, W7 HP 32 bit,

When an attempt is made to go down the screen with the mouse keys it 
only dings although the arrow keys work as normal.  This behaviour 
happens on the Desktop, in Thunderbird and it seems, everywhere else. 
This behaviour has only started in the past couple of days.


The mouse boundry is set to active window but all boundaries give the 
same result.


The correct set file is loaded and associated.

The screen is maximized.

All apps were turned off for a while but no difference there either.

I am wondering if it is the keyboard layout command but can not find the 
command to invoke or disable it.



Has anyone got any ideas on what else can be tried?  This is driving me 
nuts.


Cheers
Neville.

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tricks when losing focus in a program

[Elizabeth via Talk]

One of the things I do when a program loses focus is make sure my 
Window is maximized using alt-X followed by the spacebar.

I also use the command to redraw the screen insert-backslash.
Those of you losing focus with email clients may perhaps find these 
tricks useful.


Elizabeth

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Neville,

As you no doubt recall, you and I discussed the issue of the default Table
header setting being to read colum and row headers.
While I can certainly confirm that this setting is the default, on
reflection I think it was an attempt by the developer to give a consistent
starting-point for table navigation.
Wile, at first, I found this setting to be a nuisance, (especially given the
fact that it bothered me that perhaps something serious was wrong), over the
last month or so I have come to appreciate that it may indeed be a stroke of
genious on the part of the developer.
This is because at least it gives the user a lot of information which might
be helpful as they encounter new tables whose structure they do not know
yet.
I'm learning to see the good intentions of software developers.
"They need to create somewhat safe initial settings for their software,
especially given that not all, if not few, users are savvy 
Besides, it only takes a few presses of Control-Shift-H to rotor to the
setting you like.

With respect,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Neville via Talk
Sent: February 18, 2016 6:27 PM
To: Tony C ; Window Eyes 
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

In the past when a new update for WE was released, users had a chance to 
try it out and report any bugs found  so they could be fixed before the 
final release.  But now, a new version is released with no trial period 
at all.  If any bugs are found, then this must wait until the next 
release whenever that may be.

I am having an issue with not being  able to permantly stop table column 
and row headers being read although they are turned off in the WE 
control panel. This bug has been reported and catelogued for a fix in a 
future version but that may not be for quite some months. I wish they 
would bring back the testing period prior to the final release.

Neville.



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some WE issues are better

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I just did another emergency removal of WE a few hours ago. This time while 
re-installing WE, when it got to the Java access bridge I got a message that 
I’ve not gotten before, “no valid java installed” it told me to go to Orcale 
and install Java and then re-install the access bridge. I haven’t done this and 
Mark S. suggested that I not do so unless I really needed Java for a program. 
Well anyway, things seem much better now. 
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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tony,

Please take this in the spirit in which it is intended, that is, to help you
have a more pleasant email reading and writing experience.
I have found the need to move first from WLM to Thunderbird and then from
Thunderbird to Outlook.
The need to do this was the result of finding it extremely difficult, if not
impossible, to experience reliable cursor tracking.
Since moving to Outlook a couple of years ago, I have not had any cursor
tracking problems.
In short, I've had to care for my problem myself, rather than wait for AI
Squared to solve it.
I would like to suggest that you move to another email client, and, again, I
intend this in order to help you.
Three years is much too long, in my opinion, to force yourself to put up
with these problems.
As I've said to others, I believe we have the best chance to have an
accessible email client if we use Outlook, as it is part of the Office
suite, a widely-used Microsoft product.

With respect,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: February 18, 2016 3:47 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Well, Guys, again I got one or two emails from Chris at Ai Squared and when 
his first two questions and answers didn't fix the problem, I haven't heard 
another word from them. II t's been 2 days now since I replied to the last 
message and have gotten not even a "kis our foot" for a reply. How could 
they possibally fix anything if they ask two questions, give the same two 
ideas and if that don't work they just ignore your reply and move on to 
something else? As I've said before I've been reporting the issues with WLM 
now for 3 years and still sometimes I can read and correct what I've written

in a email message and sometimes I cannot. What the heck??

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of 
communicating
with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Combo boxes on a Web site

[net bat via Talk]

you have to turn browse mode off first then you can press alt down arrow to 
open the list.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:10 PM
To: Linette Sukup ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Combo boxes on a Web site

try, hitting alt down arrow, that should open the combo box and then you
should be able to arrow down through the choices. HTH

-Original Message- 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Combo boxes on a Web site


This is probably a minor settings glitch, but when I go to the BARD
site, (NLSBARD.loc.gov) I can't read the combo boxes which contain the
listings of categories, magazines, etc. I could always arrow down
through a list; now, when I press the arrow key, nothing happens. I may
only see the first item.
This may have been featured before, but I had no problem in the past. I
am running Windows 8 and the latest version of Window-Eyes.
Thank you.

Peace.
Linette


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Re: Combo boxes on a Web site

[net bat via Talk]

you have to press enter on the combo box to turn browse mode off. then press 
alt down arrow to open the list. then arrow down the list.
this works most of the time. it depends on how the web page was programmed for 
accessibility, or not.


-Original Message- 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Combo boxes on a Web site


This is probably a minor settings glitch, but when I go to the BARD
site, (NLSBARD.loc.gov) I can't read the combo boxes which contain the
listings of categories, magazines, etc. I could always arrow down
through a list; now, when I press the arrow key, nothing happens. I may
only see the first item.
This may have been featured before, but I had no problem in the past. I
am running Windows 8 and the latest version of Window-Eyes.
Thank you.

Peace.
Linette


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Re: Combo boxes on a Web site

[Tony C via Talk]

try, hitting alt down arrow, that should open the combo box and then you 
should be able to arrow down through the choices. HTH


-Original Message- 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Combo boxes on a Web site


This is probably a minor settings glitch, but when I go to the BARD
site, (NLSBARD.loc.gov) I can't read the combo boxes which contain the
listings of categories, magazines, etc. I could always arrow down
through a list; now, when I press the arrow key, nothing happens. I may
only see the first item.
This may have been featured before, but I had no problem in the past. I
am running Windows 8 and the latest version of Window-Eyes.
Thank you.

Peace.
Linette


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Re: Combo boxes on a Web site

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

   Try ctrl shift a



-Original Message- 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Combo boxes on a Web site


This is probably a minor settings glitch, but when I go to the BARD
site, (NLSBARD.loc.gov) I can't read the combo boxes which contain the
listings of categories, magazines, etc. I could always arrow down
through a list; now, when I press the arrow key, nothing happens. I may
only see the first item.
This may have been featured before, but I had no problem in the past. I
am running Windows 8 and the latest version of Window-Eyes.
Thank you.

Peace.
Linette


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Combo boxes on a Web site

[Linette Sukup via Talk]

This is probably a minor settings glitch, but when I go to the BARD 
site, (NLSBARD.loc.gov) I can't read the combo boxes which contain the 
listings of categories, magazines, etc. I could always arrow down 
through a list; now, when I press the arrow key, nothing happens. I may 
only see the first item.
This may have been featured before, but I had no problem in the past. I 
am running Windows 8 and the latest version of Window-Eyes.

Thank you.

Peace.
Linette


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Something To Try For IE Lockups

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: I sent a complete message about 2:00 this afternoon but I havent seen it
hit the list so:
If you are familiar with IE Tools and settings try and report the results:
Open Internet Explorer Browser;  
 Under the Tools  menu  click Internet Options  then
highlight the  Advanced  tab and put a checkmark in front of "Use software
rendering instead of GPU rendering and click ok.
I did this and tried Internet explorer and it crashed again but this time
the
(atiumdva.dll)
Was the culprit.
I ReBooted and tried again and on one webpage I did a read to end on a
article and mid article I heard windowEyes stop for a second, about of 1
second of what sounded like music or an add and then WindowEyes continued
reading the article like nothing happened.
After that I went through several pages and articles with no more crashes
and WindowEyes seems to be reading much faster and responsive now.
I dont know if this is a fix or not but if you know what I am talking about
try it out and post up if it fixes your problems.
Rick USA 


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

As I understand it, this was not a new release. It was merely a few small 
changes to correct some things. We were not charged for it.


When a new release comes out, you'll know it because you'll be charged for 
it. I suggest everyone purchase a SMA. Sure saves on money.


-Bob Ringwald



-Original Message- 
From: Neville via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:27 PM
To: Tony C ; Window Eyes
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

In the past when a new update for WE was released, users had a chance to
try it out and report any bugs found  so they could be fixed before the
final release.  But now, a new version is released with no trial period
at all.  If any bugs are found, then this must wait until the next
release whenever that may be.

I am having an issue with not being  able to permantly stop table column
and row headers being read although they are turned off in the WE
control panel. This bug has been reported and catelogued for a fix in a
future version but that may not be for quite some months. I wish they
would bring back the testing period prior to the final release.

Neville.



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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Tony,
I would not install Java unless there is a Java based program you absolutely 
have to use. Java applications usually only show up in the workplace. There are 
also some inaccessible games that require Java as well. 
Regards,
Marc

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On February 18, 2016 5:40:14 PM Tony C  wrote:

> Well Mark, I might not be as negative if this hadn't been going on for so 
> long. Everytime I've approached this I get one or two messages one or two 
> suggestion and then when that doesn't work I just don't hear anything else. 
> If email isn't  an efficient way to handle things why is there a email tech 
> support link on the web page? I have called before talked to Doug about some 
> of these very issues, gave him remote asscess to my windows 8 pc but when 
> all was said and done nothing was resolved. You can pass this on to Chris if 
> you like. I just did an emergency remove of WE and reinstalled from the 
> download that Ai sent me and I have not installed any of the app upgrades 
> and have not installed the up grade to 9.3x yet. Everything seems to be 
> working beautifully so far. I've gottem on facebook, I'm writing this reply 
> to your message, and am able to read what I've written.I do have a question, 
> I got a message at the end of install telling me there was novalid java 
> access bridge, and that  I need to go to Orcal and install it. Should I 
> install Jave or could that be what was causing the issue?I'm sorry to be 
> neg, but this has been an ongoing issue for a long time now. Thank you Tony 
> C
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Marc Solomon via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; dlh...@centurylink.net
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I think this just goes to show that email is not an efficient way to 
> communicate about complex matters such as these. Again, I would recommend 
> picking up the phone and calling support. It also might be helpful if you 
> could try to tone down the negativity. I don't think it motivating anyone to 
> go out of their way to help you trouble shoot the problems you are 
> encountering. By the way, I have seen McAfee reak havoc and conflict with 
> Window-Eyes. I wrote up a knowledge article with the specifics: 
> www.gwmicro.com/kb2058.
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
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>
> On February 18, 2016 3:49:07 PM Tony C via Talk  
> wrote:
>
>> Well, Guys, again I got one or two emails from Chris at Ai Squared and 
>> when
>> his first two questions and answers didn't fix the problem, I haven't 
>> heard
>> another word from them. II t's been 2 days now since I replied to the last
>> message and have gotten not even a "kis our foot" for a reply. How could
>> they possibally fix anything if they ask two questions, give the same two
>> ideas and if that don't work they just ignore your reply and move on to
>> something else? As I've said before I've been reporting the issues with 
>> WLM
>> now for 3 years and still sometimes I can read and correct what I've 
>> written
>> in a email message and sometimes I cannot. What the heck??
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
>> To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>>
>> Hello Rick,
>>
>> No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.
>>
>> A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
>> recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
>> work reliably.
>>
>> By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
>> configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
>> could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
>> to be updated, or switched out for something else.
>>
>> I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
>> system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
>> matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
>> outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
>> re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.
>>
>> I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
>> WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
>> front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
>> impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of
>> communicating
>> with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
>> business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
>> customers do.
>>
>> Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
>> We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
>> working on 

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Neville via Talk]

In the past when a new update for WE was released, users had a chance to 
try it out and report any bugs found  so they could be fixed before the 
final release.  But now, a new version is released with no trial period 
at all.  If any bugs are found, then this must wait until the next 
release whenever that may be.


I am having an issue with not being  able to permantly stop table column 
and row headers being read although they are turned off in the WE 
control panel. This bug has been reported and catelogued for a fix in a 
future version but that may not be for quite some months. I wish they 
would bring back the testing period prior to the final release.


Neville.



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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Well Mark, I might not be as negative if this hadn't been going on for so 
long. Everytime I've approached this I get one or two messages one or two 
suggestion and then when that doesn't work I just don't hear anything else. 
If email isn't  an efficient way to handle things why is there a email tech 
support link on the web page? I have called before talked to Doug about some 
of these very issues, gave him remote asscess to my windows 8 pc but when 
all was said and done nothing was resolved. You can pass this on to Chris if 
you like. I just did an emergency remove of WE and reinstalled from the 
download that Ai sent me and I have not installed any of the app upgrades 
and have not installed the up grade to 9.3x yet. Everything seems to be 
working beautifully so far. I've gottem on facebook, I'm writing this reply 
to your message, and am able to read what I've written.I do have a question, 
I got a message at the end of install telling me there was novalid java 
access bridge, and that  I need to go to Orcal and install it. Should I 
install Jave or could that be what was causing the issue?I'm sorry to be 
neg, but this has been an ongoing issue for a long time now. Thank you Tony 
C



-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; dlh...@centurylink.net
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I think this just goes to show that email is not an efficient way to 
communicate about complex matters such as these. Again, I would recommend 
picking up the phone and calling support. It also might be helpful if you 
could try to tone down the negativity. I don't think it motivating anyone to 
go out of their way to help you trouble shoot the problems you are 
encountering. By the way, I have seen McAfee reak havoc and conflict with 
Window-Eyes. I wrote up a knowledge article with the specifics: 
www.gwmicro.com/kb2058.

Thanks,
Marc

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On February 18, 2016 3:49:07 PM Tony C via Talk  
wrote:


Well, Guys, again I got one or two emails from Chris at Ai Squared and 
when
his first two questions and answers didn't fix the problem, I haven't 
heard

another word from them. II t's been 2 days now since I replied to the last
message and have gotten not even a "kis our foot" for a reply. How could
they possibally fix anything if they ask two questions, give the same two
ideas and if that don't work they just ignore your reply and move on to
something else? As I've said before I've been reporting the issues with 
WLM
now for 3 years and still sometimes I can read and correct what I've 
written

in a email message and sometimes I cannot. What the heck??

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of
communicating
with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?

Grumpy Dave




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RE: Protected view

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
>From within Word,
Alt-f, t, t, alt-t, p then tab through and uncheck all.
Chris


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725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com
 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Smith, Veronica via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Protected view

I honestly thought I knew how to unprotect something, however obviously I 
didn't learn very well.  Could you please share the tip to unprotect it.
Veronica
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RE: Anyone Using Ad Blockers?

[Gary Melconian via Talk]

I am to. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+garymelc=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:18 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Anyone Using Ad Blockers?

I am using adblock Plus with Internet Explorer.
I do sometimes get lockups. But not often, perhaps once or twice a week. The
lockups seem to happen on sites with dynamic content and, strangely, on the
BARD site.
I am using Window-eyes 8.4 on an old XP machine with 4 GB of memory and IE
8. Yes, I know it is old but it isn't giving me trouble. And yes, I know it
is less secure than later versions of IE. So we can skip that part of the
discussion for now.

Elizabeth

At 05:03 AM 2/18/2016, you wrote:
>Hi: Is anyone using Ad blocking software with Internet Explorer and, if 
>so, are you experiencing lockups and how often?
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Protected view

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

I honestly thought I knew how to unprotect something, however obviously I 
didn't learn very well.  Could you please share the tip to unprotect it.
Veronica
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Fw: WE

[Tony C via Talk]

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Chris Grabowski
Subject: Re: WE

Ok, I've already done that on my windows 8 pc that is using avg. My new one
with windows 10 is using mcaffee. I still haven't been able to stop WE from
starting in the middle of webpages. Just about everytime I load a new page I
have to use the ctrl home keys to get WE at the top.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Grabowski

Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: WE

Not sure about MacAfee, but AVG can create focus issues when the system
retrieves mail or updates etc.

From within AVG go to options/advance and turn off   display system tray

notifications.
They aren't needed and can cause focus issues.
If you want alerts, assign sounds to AVG events.


Window-Eyes Product Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:12 PM
To: Karyn Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: WE

I'm using Mcaffee on my windows 10 pc and AVG on my windows 8 machine.

-Original Message- 
From: Karyn Campbell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WE

In the case of Web Root Security Anywhere, it was not white-listed.  This
means that the antivirus  software grabs some of the DLL files and corrupts
your installation of WE.

We know this as we have experience with it on both a Windows 8.1 machine as
well as a Windows 10 machine.  Chris Grabowski confirmed that this product
did not white-list WE.

We finally got Web Root Security Anywhere removed from both machines with
the help of Best Buy's Geek Squad.  Once this was done, Ray re-installed 9.0
on the Windows 8.1 machine and downloaded 9.3 and all is working as it
should.

He was unable to use the installation he had on our external hard drive as
Web Root corrupted that installation.  For this reason, he went  to AI
Squared's website and downloaded 9.3 for my Windows 10 mahine as the method
he used for the Windows 8.1 machine would not work. I am happy to say that I
am now running WE 9.3 on this machine and I'm one happy camper.

If anyone offers you Web Root Security Anywhere, run from it as it grabs DLL
files and corrupts your WE installation.

I would agree that accessibility of antivirus packages is the next frontier
in accessibility to technology.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com and likely Viper
Antivirus on both machines.
Using WE   9.3 on HP Pavilion running Windows 8.1 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as well as Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office 2013
and I.E. 11 as default browser and Viper Antivirus on boht machines.




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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Well, Guys, again I got one or two emails from Chris at Ai Squared and when 
his first two questions and answers didn't fix the problem, I haven't heard 
another word from them. II t's been 2 days now since I replied to the last 
message and have gotten not even a "kis our foot" for a reply. How could 
they possibally fix anything if they ask two questions, give the same two 
ideas and if that don't work they just ignore your reply and move on to 
something else? As I've said before I've been reporting the issues with WLM 
now for 3 years and still sometimes I can read and correct what I've written 
in a email message and sometimes I cannot. What the heck??


-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of 
communicating

with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?

Grumpy Dave




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window eyes crashes

[Brice Mijares via Talk]

most of my crashes acure in Windows Mail. Usually, alt control W fixes the 
problem, but at times I have to bring up NVDA to resolve the issue. 


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

yes, just now while trying to read this message WE just lost focus and I had 
to alt tab around back to the message to continue reading it. Sighted person 
said there is nothing going on on the scree, anywhere...??? AI is 
conspicious by their silence..


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:44 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

The problem is, everybody says you get rid of it, and then it comes back a
couple of months later.  Now that they are more urgently pushing it, it
might come back sooner.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:29 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi: Yes, I had allot of focus problems due to that popup.
This is one reason I am still concerned that WindowEyes is not handling them
properly and there are likely others happening.
Often I would hear "give us feedback" even after turning this off in the
Windows10 settings, think it was "send us feedback" before I turned it off.
Now when I switch pages or open a new program I will hear "Clear" or "clear
button" meaning something else is popping up that I cant find after I hear
it read using any of the WindowEyes keys so far.
There a lot of moving parts to Windows and how the screen reader handles
them can be a problem for focus, insert position and the relationship
between them me thinks.
That message is one thing that pushed me over the edge and convinced me to
upgrade to Windows10 but I am not sure that just turning that message off,
some folks had figured out a way to do it, I would have been happier with
Windows8.1 or whatever it was.
Anyway, there should be a way to turn off that popup and perhaps someone
will RePost the solution.
Rick USA


-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:21 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

An unrelated note, you may remember last week I posted that WE was
jumping around a lot, especially in websites, and occasionally while
reading e-mails in browse mode.  As suddenly as that began, it stopped.
This barely happens now.  Occasionally, We will lose focus while I am
reading a lengthy e-mail, but I think a lot of that has to do with the
Get Windows 10 message.

On 2/18/2016 4:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of

lockups.

I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and

not

allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't

want

to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think

it

was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as

usual.

I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened

and

we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the

video

or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be 

RE: speech shutting off

[Smith, Veronica via Talk]

Sometimes it is just tempermental. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+veronica.smith=aps@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:34 AM
To: Singing Sparrow; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: speech shutting off

Me too, sometimes Ctrl alt w works and sometimes it don't

-Original Message- 
From: Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 12:45 AM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; richard kurlander
Subject: Re: speech shutting off

I have had this happen and even using the conrtrol alt w  hot key comand
does not bring window eyes back up.

On 2/14/2016 11:51 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
> did you use  the w e hot keys to restart it?
> i think its control alt w.
> i don't remember. i change the keys to control alt insert 10 years ago.
> hate to say it but this has been happening several times per day
> but it can also happen when the computer hybernates or is it sleep mode 
> now? and you wake it up.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: richard kurlander via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:46 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: speech shutting off
>
> using windoweyes/ es 9.2.3 and windows 8.1 at random speech cuts
> off can't do anything on the computer. I was idle on the computer and
> this happened. had to power down with power and restart. what is going on?
>
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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

never have this happen with jaws or nvda. nothing happens like this the 
crashs always acure with window eyes.


On 2/18/2016 3:04 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Reading the postings it seems that this problem is not unique to WindowEyes
but is perhaps worse in WindowEyes.
There are indications that it happens most often in Internet Explorer or, at
least, is most identifyable in InternetExplorer with the dialog that
InternetExplorer says the program is not responding (same dialog when JAWS
locked up in Internet Explorer) but WindowEyes will not usually notify you
the problem has occurred and just locks up - this should be fixed by
AISquared so we can be notified and close the offending program.
Note that it is likely not Internet Explorer lockinng up but some program
being called or used by Internet Explorer like one that might display an ad
or flash or something because closing the program that is not responding
does not close Internet Explorer but after closing the program not
responding you are still in Internet Explorer and can continue working in
that program.
Some have noticed better results when not using background processes like
the automagic update of synced programs like cloud related programs, note
that OneNote and other things that come with our Operating Systems also can
be using these types of features by default.
Also, there allot of Live Tiles that will access the internet automagically
and send or gather information from external online web pages and, or, web
services which is akin to using a cloud service in that both have to access
something on the internet and thus prone to internet transmission and many
other problems.
Even programs that you would think wouldn't access the internet from your
desktop might be doing something online behind the scenes so this is one
possible avenue but tonarrow things down we can do a few things.
First, you folks who use Mazilla and Chrome for your browsers, have you
noticed any lockups at all using WindowEyes?
Second, the next time I get a Internet Explorer lockup I will try and hit
the Debug button instead of the close button to see what I can find out
about the error like what program(s) are related to it if the error will
give me that much detail.
I forget the WindowEyes hot key to copy a MessageBox which is usually not
able to be read with the normal arrow keys, anyone remember it off the top
of your head?
Rick USA



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:56 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have iCloud either. And I don't have the crashes. So, it has to
be something else.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 3:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has
to be something else.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
problems there. LOL

-Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is 

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

The problem is, everybody says you get rid of it, and then it comes back a 
couple of months later.  Now that they are more urgently pushing it, it 
might come back sooner.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:29 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi: Yes, I had allot of focus problems due to that popup.
This is one reason I am still concerned that WindowEyes is not handling them
properly and there are likely others happening.
Often I would hear "give us feedback" even after turning this off in the
Windows10 settings, think it was "send us feedback" before I turned it off.
Now when I switch pages or open a new program I will hear "Clear" or "clear
button" meaning something else is popping up that I cant find after I hear
it read using any of the WindowEyes keys so far.
There a lot of moving parts to Windows and how the screen reader handles
them can be a problem for focus, insert position and the relationship
between them me thinks.
That message is one thing that pushed me over the edge and convinced me to
upgrade to Windows10 but I am not sure that just turning that message off,
some folks had figured out a way to do it, I would have been happier with
Windows8.1 or whatever it was.
Anyway, there should be a way to turn off that popup and perhaps someone
will RePost the solution.
Rick USA


-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:21 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

An unrelated note, you may remember last week I posted that WE was
jumping around a lot, especially in websites, and occasionally while
reading e-mails in browse mode.  As suddenly as that began, it stopped.
This barely happens now.  Occasionally, We will lose focus while I am
reading a lengthy e-mail, but I think a lot of that has to do with the
Get Windows 10 message.

On 2/18/2016 4:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of

lockups.

I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and

not

allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't

want

to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think

it

was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as

usual.

I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened

and

we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the

video

or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you 

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I get that message when I finish downloading something.  I have windows 
seven, the latest window eyes and internet explorer ten.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:56 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Nick Sarames'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is 

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I think it's not just internet explorer.  I have seen it say other things 
have stopped working, or is not responding.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:39 PM
To: 'Loy' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hmm, the Internet Explorer has stopped working thingy occurs a trillion and
one times in my Windows7 Professional 64Bit box.  To this day, I don't know
what causes this to happen!  I do run demo copies of Jaws and I get the same
nonsense now and then.  So, it's not Window-Eyes generating that, it's
something "wonderfully and fearfully" woven into Internet Explorer by
Microsoft me thinks!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Creating a New Folder in Windows 10

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Hi, Folks.  Thanks much for all the suggestions.  Bypass and 
shift-ctrl-n worked for me.  Will try the other ones later.  Thought the 
command went away in Windows 10, and I was going nuts trying to figure 
it out.  What a great list!--Matthew Chao




On 2/18/2016 2:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
You can also just hit Alt to open the ribbon, which will always 
default to the File tab, and then press the number 2. This gives you 
the same New Folder dialog and it doesn't matter whether anything is 
selected or not.


Hth,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 9:58 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Matthew,

In the list view of the folder within which you wisht to create a 
folder,
press Control-spacebar to ensure that no file or folder within the 
list view

is selected.
Then, press the Applications key or Shift-F10, and press W which is the
shortcut for New in the context menu which opens.
At this point, the folder is created and you're in the familiar edit box
where you can edit the selected text, that text being "New folder."

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: February 17, 2016 5:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Creating a New Folder in Windows 10

Hi, Folks.  I want to create a new folder in Windows 10, but can't seem
to do it like I could in Windows 7 ( alt-f, w).  When I try to do that
in Windows 10, I get a create new window.  How do I create a new
folder?  Am also using the classic powershell which might be part of the
problem.  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Probally, but WE will not read the damn thing allowing you to choose the 
close button


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:39 PM
To: 'Loy' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hmm, the Internet Explorer has stopped working thingy occurs a trillion and
one times in my Windows7 Professional 64Bit box.  To this day, I don't know
what causes this to happen!  I do run demo copies of Jaws and I get the same
nonsense now and then.  So, it's not Window-Eyes generating that, it's
something "wonderfully and fearfully" woven into Internet Explorer by
Microsoft me thinks!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

I a lot of time when closing a program hear, "nno notification bar fouund".

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:56 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Nick Sarames'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you

determined

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Don H via Talk]

Wouldn't it be nice for the Ai Squared staff to chime in on this topic. 
 They could outline for us what issues that WE has with IE, whether the 
cloud is a issue and so on.  In the past the staff always says it is a 
issue with IE and not WE but a better explaination sure would be nice. 
We waited for years for a browse mode update and things do work better 
but as we have seen there are still issues.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Jonathan Cohn via Talk]

Note also, that JAWS 17 added a feature to automatically restart itself if it 
can’t talk to the window that has focus for 5 seconds. This essentially solves 
the lockup problem for JAWS, at the expense of a 5 second hang and any non 
saved options being lost.

I expect we could probably write an App that does essentially the same thing, 
perhaps with an little extra nudge from an outside program. UNIX developers 
have often build in auto restart service functionality. 

Would there be interest from the community to have a auto-restart when hung 
functionality in WindowEyes?

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 04:04, Rick Thomas via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> Reading the postings it seems that this problem is not unique to WindowEyes
> but is perhaps worse in WindowEyes.
> There are indications that it happens most often in Internet Explorer or, at
> least, is most identifyable in InternetExplorer with the dialog that
> InternetExplorer says the program is not responding (same dialog when JAWS
> locked up in Internet Explorer) but WindowEyes will not usually notify you
> the problem has occurred and just locks up - this should be fixed by
> AISquared so we can be notified and close the offending program.
> Note that it is likely not Internet Explorer lockinng up but some program
> being called or used by Internet Explorer like one that might display an ad
> or flash or something because closing the program that is not responding
> does not close Internet Explorer but after closing the program not
> responding you are still in Internet Explorer and can continue working in
> that program.
> Some have noticed better results when not using background processes like
> the automagic update of synced programs like cloud related programs, note
> that OneNote and other things that come with our Operating Systems also can
> be using these types of features by default.
> Also, there allot of Live Tiles that will access the internet automagically
> and send or gather information from external online web pages and, or, web
> services which is akin to using a cloud service in that both have to access
> something on the internet and thus prone to internet transmission and many
> other problems.
> Even programs that you would think wouldn't access the internet from your
> desktop might be doing something online behind the scenes so this is one
> possible avenue but tonarrow things down we can do a few things.
> First, you folks who use Mazilla and Chrome for your browsers, have you
> noticed any lockups at all using WindowEyes?
> Second, the next time I get a Internet Explorer lockup I will try and hit
> the Debug button instead of the close button to see what I can find out
> about the error like what program(s) are related to it if the error will
> give me that much detail.
> I forget the WindowEyes hot key to copy a MessageBox which is usually not
> able to be read with the normal arrow keys, anyone remember it off the top
> of your head?
> Rick USA
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:56 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
> 
> I don't have iCloud either. And I don't have the crashes. So, it has to 
> be something else.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 2/17/2016 3:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has
>> to be something else.  Pam.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
>> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>> 
>> I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
>> problems there. LOL
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
>> To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
>> Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>> 
>> Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
>> that is having such an impact.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards, John
>> 
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
>> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>> 
>> Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
>> getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>>> 

Re: Anyone Using Ad Blockers?

[Elizabeth via Talk]

I am using adblock Plus with Internet Explorer.
I do sometimes get lockups. But not often, perhaps once or twice a 
week. The lockups seem to happen on sites with dynamic content and, 
strangely, on the BARD site.
I am using Window-eyes 8.4 on an old XP machine with 4 GB of memory 
and IE 8. Yes, I know it is old but it isn't giving me trouble. And 
yes, I know it is less secure than later versions of IE. So we can 
skip that part of the discussion for now.


Elizabeth

At 05:03 AM 2/18/2016, you wrote:

Hi: Is anyone using Ad blocking software with Internet Explorer and, if so,
are you experiencing lockups and how often?

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: Yes, I had allot of focus problems due to that popup.
This is one reason I am still concerned that WindowEyes is not handling them
properly and there are likely others happening.
Often I would hear "give us feedback" even after turning this off in the
Windows10 settings, think it was "send us feedback" before I turned it off.
Now when I switch pages or open a new program I will hear "Clear" or "clear
button" meaning something else is popping up that I cant find after I hear
it read using any of the WindowEyes keys so far.
There a lot of moving parts to Windows and how the screen reader handles
them can be a problem for focus, insert position and the relationship
between them me thinks.
That message is one thing that pushed me over the edge and convinced me to
upgrade to Windows10 but I am not sure that just turning that message off,
some folks had figured out a way to do it, I would have been happier with
Windows8.1 or whatever it was.
Anyway, there should be a way to turn off that popup and perhaps someone
will RePost the solution.
Rick USA


-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:21 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

An unrelated note, you may remember last week I posted that WE was 
jumping around a lot, especially in websites, and occasionally while 
reading e-mails in browse mode.  As suddenly as that began, it stopped.  
This barely happens now.  Occasionally, We will lose focus while I am 
reading a lengthy e-mail, but I think a lot of that has to do with the 
Get Windows 10 message.

On 2/18/2016 4:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> A side note, anyone else?
> I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of
lockups.
> I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and
not
> allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't
want
> to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
> Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
> heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think
it
> was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as
usual.
> I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
> happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
> would see if others have heard this or something similar.
> It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
> the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened
and
> we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
> thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
> encountering.
> But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
> include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
> incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
> explorer.
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
> Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
> To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> 
> Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Thanks Nick:
> OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
> video starts over.
> When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the
video
> or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
> To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> 
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
> WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
> seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
> dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
> I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.
>
> On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> Hi Nick:
>> What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
>> turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your
> computer
>> and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
>> WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
>> I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
>> things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate
to
>> these settings and lock up results.
>> Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser 

Re: Anyone Using Ad Blockers?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I use AdBlock Plus and almost never experience lockups. But this is true 
whether I use it or not.


Tom


On 2/18/2016 5:03 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi: Is anyone using Ad blocking software with Internet Explorer and, if so,
are you experiencing lockups and how often?
Rick USA

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I'm trying to remember, I think after I close the program, I am back at 
Daily Motion, using IE 11 by the way, I think.


On 2/18/2016 4:46 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you

determined

if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to

get

to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing

it

to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone

else

has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or

if

this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in

our

test results.
Rick USA

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

An unrelated note, you may remember last week I posted that WE was 
jumping around a lot, especially in websites, and occasionally while 
reading e-mails in browse mode.  As suddenly as that began, it stopped.  
This barely happens now.  Occasionally, We will lose focus while I am 
reading a lengthy e-mail, but I think a lot of that has to do with the 
Get Windows 10 message.


On 2/18/2016 4:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close 

RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[John Farley via Talk]

Thanks Tom.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Tom Kingston [mailto:tom.kings...@charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:45 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

John,

The cloud is just a generic term for any off-site server you use to 
backup and store data, either just for yourself or for sharing. iCloud, 
Amazon, One drive, Google drive, Dropbox, SendSpace, and so on are all 
the same thing. The only difference with iCloud and Amazon is that my 
iPhone can automatically backup to iCloud every time it's plugged in and 
all Amazon MP3 purchases are automatically put on their cloud servers. 
They all have free stub services designed to suck you into purchasing 
more space once you fill them up.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 5:57 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
> Tom,
>
> You have mentioned two different applications here.
>
> Amazon itself is a web site which then accesses its own internal databases
> to handle user request. They would have no need at all to utilize any cloud
> content. It would only add to their speed of response to the end user.
>
> ITunes is a program run on your PC which then accesses the Apple databases.
> Once on their databases there will be no need to further access the cloud.
>
> It might be interesting to consider what "the cloud" is.
> While I am not an expert in modern nomenclature my understanding of it is
> that it is simply a number of remote servers on some server farm somewhere
> which we, the users, do not need to worry about the location of.
> This is opposed to a server farm somewhere which we know the name of, if not
> its location.
>
> The term is being used to mystify the concept. After all, simple computing
> no longer mystifies the man in the street so let's find something else to do
> that.
>
> I welcome any correction to my undrstanding.
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 10:43 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I am not talking about Window-Eyes apps using iCloud, I'm talking about
> Programs themselves such as Amazon and ITunes. using iCloud.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:55 PM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Yes, I have never heard of window eyes aps using iCloud.  I don't know
> enough about them, but I think they just function in window eyes and work
> with whatever program they are meant to make work better with window eyes.
> Pam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:52 PM
> To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Tom Kingston'
> Subject: RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Tom,
>
> My understanding is that the WE Apps are just ways of making the use of WE
> in some circumstances easier to navigate and use. I do not believe that they
> use ICloud at all. Of course, there may be a number of WE Apps that do
> require use of iCloud, but these I expect to be exceptions.
>
> Script writers should be able to confirm this.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:45 PM
> To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do that, how
> can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of their apps work
> without iCloud, itself?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick
> Thomas'
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
> add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:
>> Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
>> that is having such an impact.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards, John
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk

Re: Jarte and PDF?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

David,

You're not missing anything. Jarte is nothing more than Microsoft 
Wordpad on steroids. It can open Txt, RTF, Doc, and Docx files. That's it.


They may have meant QRead. It's not free. But it's a great program that 
can read PDF, Bookshare, Word, HTML, CHM, XML, ePub, etc. It's $30.00.

http://q-continuum.net/qread/

Hth,
Tom


On 2/18/2016 4:10 AM, David via Talk wrote:

If memory serves me right, a few days ago someone on the list claimed
they used Jarte for their PDF files. If this is so, I am confused.

I have downloaded and installed the software from their official
webpage, so would expect it to be the latest version. But I cannot seem
to make it open any PDF files. If I try, via the File menu of the
program, to open a PDF, all that happens is that Internet Explorer
opens, with the document. Well, if that is all the Jarte does with this
file format, I could have done things in IE directly, couldn't I?

So, is there any clue here, that I am not aware of? Or, is Jarte only
good for Word documents?

Thanks for any feedback.


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Anyone Using Ad Blockers?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: Is anyone using Ad blocking software with Internet Explorer and, if so,
are you experiencing lockups and how often?
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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest 
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There 
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on 
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link 
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Hi Nick:
> What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
> turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your
computer
> and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
> WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
> I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
> things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
> these settings and lock up results.
> Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
> videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
> I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
> When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
> forget but think that was the case.
> If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place
you
> left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
> To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
> Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
> Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
> messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
> I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
> when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
> finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.
>
> On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Hi:
>> I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where
> WindowEyes
>> will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
>> This happens very often.
>> Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
>> click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
>> If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you
determined
>> if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
>> readers.
>> I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
>> Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of 

RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest 
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There 
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on 
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link 
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Hi Nick:
> What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
> turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your
computer
> and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
> WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
> I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
> things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
> these settings and lock up results.
> Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
> videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
> I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
> When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
> forget but think that was the case.
> If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place
you
> left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
> To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
> Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
> Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
> messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
> I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
> when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
> finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.
>
> On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Hi:
>> I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where
> WindowEyes
>> will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
>> This happens very often.
>> Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
>> click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
>> If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you
determined
>> if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
>> readers.
>> I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
>> Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to
> get
>> to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
>> the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing
> it
>> to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
>> causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
>> I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
>> understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone
else
>> has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
>> with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or
> if
>> this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
>> getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in
our
>> test results.
>> Rick USA
>>
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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest 
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There 
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on 
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link 
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.


On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your computer
and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place you
left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to

get

to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing

it

to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or

if

this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
test results.
Rick USA

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your computer
and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place you
left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the 
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet 
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those 
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time 
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is 
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem 
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
> I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where
WindowEyes
> will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
> This happens very often.
> Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
> click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
> If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
> if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
> readers.
> I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
> Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to
get
> to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
> the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing
it
> to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
> causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
> I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
> understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
> has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
> with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or
if
> this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
> getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
> test results.
> Rick USA
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Jarte and PDF?

[David via Talk]

If memory serves me right, a few days ago someone on the list claimed 
they used Jarte for their PDF files. If this is so, I am confused.


I have downloaded and installed the software from their official 
webpage, so would expect it to be the latest version. But I cannot seem 
to make it open any PDF files. If I try, via the File menu of the 
program, to open a PDF, all that happens is that Internet Explorer 
opens, with the document. Well, if that is all the Jarte does with this 
file format, I could have done things in IE directly, couldn't I?


So, is there any clue here, that I am not aware of? Or, is Jarte only 
good for Word documents?


Thanks for any feedback.

--
David

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Reading the postings it seems that this problem is not unique to WindowEyes
but is perhaps worse in WindowEyes.
There are indications that it happens most often in Internet Explorer or, at
least, is most identifyable in InternetExplorer with the dialog that
InternetExplorer says the program is not responding (same dialog when JAWS
locked up in Internet Explorer) but WindowEyes will not usually notify you
the problem has occurred and just locks up - this should be fixed by
AISquared so we can be notified and close the offending program.
Note that it is likely not Internet Explorer lockinng up but some program
being called or used by Internet Explorer like one that might display an ad
or flash or something because closing the program that is not responding
does not close Internet Explorer but after closing the program not
responding you are still in Internet Explorer and can continue working in
that program.
Some have noticed better results when not using background processes like
the automagic update of synced programs like cloud related programs, note
that OneNote and other things that come with our Operating Systems also can
be using these types of features by default.
Also, there allot of Live Tiles that will access the internet automagically
and send or gather information from external online web pages and, or, web
services which is akin to using a cloud service in that both have to access
something on the internet and thus prone to internet transmission and many
other problems.
Even programs that you would think wouldn't access the internet from your
desktop might be doing something online behind the scenes so this is one
possible avenue but tonarrow things down we can do a few things.
First, you folks who use Mazilla and Chrome for your browsers, have you
noticed any lockups at all using WindowEyes?
Second, the next time I get a Internet Explorer lockup I will try and hit
the Debug button instead of the close button to see what I can find out
about the error like what program(s) are related to it if the error will
give me that much detail.
I forget the WindowEyes hot key to copy a MessageBox which is usually not
able to be read with the normal arrow keys, anyone remember it off the top
of your head?
Rick USA



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:56 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have iCloud either. And I don't have the crashes. So, it has to 
be something else.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 3:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has
> to be something else.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
> problems there. LOL
>
> -Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
> To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
> Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
> that is having such an impact.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
> getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
>> working with the close program dialog.
>> So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>>
>> I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
>> problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
>> and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
>> I invoke NVDA.
>> By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
>> tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty 

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the 
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet 
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those 
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time 
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is 
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem 
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.


On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where WindowEyes
will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to get
to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing it
to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or if
this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
test results.
Rick USA

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