Re: `news about jws

[lynn white via Talk]

Have you called them to downgrade to home version?  I started out with 
pro, but they suggested home because it was cheaper and since I was not 
working at a workplace, it made sense to change.



On 4/29/2018 6:49 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, II 'm not sure about now, but back in 2003 or so there was no 
diffference in the pro and home version of  jaws other than they 
charged more for the authorization. I had a copy of Jaws and decided 
to do the pro thing because I got a pc that had windows XP pro on it, 
all they did was give me a different auth key which allowed Jaws to 
run in full mode on the pro pc instead of in demo mode. It was just 
another way to take more money.


-Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, 
Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a 
penny
extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the 
upgrades
were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose 
NOT TO
PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes 
used

to get had gone away completely.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[geodom--- via Talk]

Yes, when I bought window eyes, it was all one price.  I bought it when they 
had the monthly payment plan.  When there were just a few payments left, I 
opted to pay the rest all at once and finish.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 10:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
to get had gone away completely.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, II 'm not sure about now, but back in 2003 or so there was no 
diffference in the pro and home version of  jaws other than they charged 
more for the authorization. I had a copy of Jaws and decided to do the pro 
thing because I got a pc that had windows XP pro on it, all they did was 
give me a different auth key which allowed Jaws to run in full mode on the 
pro pc instead of in demo mode. It was just another way to take more money.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
to get had gone away completely.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right Tony.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: `news about jws

If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" on 
screen reader users.

-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: `news about jws

Hi Lynn,

My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so
angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much
more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same price as
now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365
office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life.
When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office.

I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of
Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up
they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this way
about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree
with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
treated the way we are.

I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the
disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a
copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
more.

Live long and prosper, John



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RE: `news about jws

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
to get had gone away completely.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, I'm still using microsoft office 2003. I have it on a windows 8 and a 
windows 10 pc.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 7:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

B J wrote in part:

"When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office."

I'm in your boat, brother!  I won't ever purchase any app that's
subscription based even if the cost is 50 cents a year!  Sounds horrible but
I can live with it.  Like B J, I have been using Office 2007; even though I
received a note from Microsoft that support for Office 2007 has ended, it is
still serving me well and I am yet to find a need for an upgrade to the
latest Office bell and whistle.  I read about folks struggling with
something called Back Stage and how to disable it.  Yikes, make an app
better if necessary, just don't make it too complicated in order to get this
done.

I'm interested in knowing whether or not the laws in the books can be
invoked when it comes to dealing with adaptive app and equipment companies.
Look at Humanware; it created the BrailleNote Touch and deployed a
deprecated copy of the Android OS on it; it still sells for more than
$5,000!  How about HIMS?  It claims to run on Android 5.1.1 which will soon
become deprecated as well.  And it sells for $6,000!  In both situations, no
path for an upgrade and, worst still, the freedom Android offers is
nonexistent.  Example:  In Android Land, you can install and use your own
preferred TTS engine.  What nonsense if I dare say so!

For as long as is possible, I shall continue to look at products in the
mainstream.  As I slowly KISS WINDOWS goodbye, I won't have to worry about
the shenanigans of screen reader developers for this OS!  I will not pay one
cent for any type of Jaws subscription.  Until my WINDOWS machines all die
naturally, I'll STICK WITH WINDOW-EYES which still PUTS SOME GREAT FOOD on
my wee, small table!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Actually some VR agencies did provide Window-Eyes. For instants, here is a
post from the NVDA mailing list, by a lady. Here is what she has to say on
the subject.





From: n...@nvda.groups.io [mailto:n...@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally
Kiebdaj
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 5:44 AM
To: n...@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WebAim Screen Reader User Survey #7: Getting The Word
Out About NVDA

Whole-heartedly agree here! I was raised in Indiana which is probably the
only reason I was offered Window-Eyes by my Voc Rehab office. Many others I
met out of state a guide dog school and college had never heard of
Window-Eyes let alone been given the chance to test it before being provided
JAWS. In the case that they had heard of it, they assumed it was incomplete
or inferior because it had never been recommended or offered to them. 

Too often, the able-bodied powers that be --for a variety of reasons
including lack of interest or bandwidth-- learn 1 version of adaptive
technology for a given disability and recommend only that one for ever
after. Even if their job is to advise or help those new to the disability,
they do not take the time to research and present all options. Government
funding and contracts may be a large part of this but so is ignorance. I
worked for a few years at a prominent eye hospital that had a rehab
department and no one in the building knew about window-eyes or that android
devices were used by the blind. In this case, I know that there were no
contracts or government funding--- only the common mental shorthand of
stereotyping the outgroup. Because they ad seen more than one blind person
with an iPhone or had heard of JAWS, clearly all people used iPhones and
JAWS because that was all they had. Funnily enough they didn't even realize
that VoiceOver existed on Mac OSX since the JAWS stereotype predated iOS.

I am grateful for the choice I had early on and the fact that I knew that
the most common option wasn't the only and wasn't necessarily the best for
me. In my case and at that time, my simultaneous use of ZoomText made
Window-Eyes a much better option. 

Cheers,
Sally 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Absolutely.  The clients should have been given the right to choose what
they could get.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: `news about jws

FS had an advantage over Window Eyes because for many years VR would only
purchase JAWS and no one  had  the right to choose which screen reader  they
could get. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Sarames via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Nick Sarames 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
  merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
  broached whom?

  On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
  > If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
  > world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
  > on screen reader users.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: bj colt
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  > 
  > Hi Lynn,
  > 
  > My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
  > offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
  > rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been
so
  > angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay
much
  > more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
  > price as
  > now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows
365
  > office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for
life.
  > When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for
years.
  > I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
  > paid
  > a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
  > least
  > 8 copied of office.
  > 
  > I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise
of
  > Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the
up
  > they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
  > apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
  > Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this

  

RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely.  The clients should have been given the right to choose what
they could get.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: `news about jws

FS had an advantage over Window Eyes because for many years VR would only
purchase JAWS and no one  had  the right to choose which screen reader  they
could get. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Sarames via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Nick Sarames 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
  merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
  broached whom?

  On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
  > If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
  > world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
  > on screen reader users.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: bj colt
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  > 
  > Hi Lynn,
  > 
  > My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
  > offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
  > rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been
so
  > angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay
much
  > more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
  > price as
  > now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows
365
  > office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for
life.
  > When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for
years.
  > I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
  > paid
  > a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
  > least
  > 8 copied of office.
  > 
  > I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise
of
  > Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the
up
  > they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
  > apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
  > Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this

  > way
  > about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would
agree
  > with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
  > treated the way we are.
  > 
  > I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for
the
  > disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I
have a
  > copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
  > more.
  > 
  > Live long and prosper, John
  > 
  > 
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[Loy Green via Talk]

FS had an advantage over Window Eyes because for many years VR would only 
purchase JAWS and no one  had  the right to choose which screen reader  they 
could get. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Sarames via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Nick Sarames 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
  merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
  broached whom?

  On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
  > If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
  > world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
  > on screen reader users.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: bj colt
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  > 
  > Hi Lynn,
  > 
  > My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
  > offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
  > rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so
  > angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much
  > more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
  > price as
  > now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365
  > office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life.
  > When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
  > I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
  > paid
  > a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
  > least
  > 8 copied of office.
  > 
  > I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of
  > Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up
  > they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
  > apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
  > Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this 
  > way
  > about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree
  > with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
  > treated the way we are.
  > 
  > I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the
  > disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a
  > copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
  > more.
  > 
  > Live long and prosper, John
  > 
  > 
  > 
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Re: `news about jws

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
broached whom?

On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
> world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
> on screen reader users.
> 
> -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: bj colt
> Subject: Re: `news about jws
> 
> Hi Lynn,
> 
> My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
> offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
> rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so
> angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much
> more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
> price as
> now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365
> office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life.
> When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
> I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
> paid
> a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
> least
> 8 copied of office.
> 
> I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of
> Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up
> they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
> apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
> Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this 
> way
> about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree
> with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
> treated the way we are.
> 
> I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the
> disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a
> copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
> more.
> 
> Live long and prosper, John
> 
> 
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Re: `news about jws

[geodom--- via Talk]

That's right.  And it's the same with upgrading kurzweil 1000.  You pay one 
price, no matter how many versions you have skipped.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: ratshtron via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 10:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: ratshtron
Subject: Re: `news about jws

and you didn't have to pay for skipt releases.


Legend has it that on Saturday 4/28/2018 07:31 AM, Loy Green via Talk said:

I've been a WE user since version 4.11 and I am sure there was not two 
version since that version. That was one of their selling points. The price 
was about $200 less than JAWS.

  - Original Message -
  From: Carol and Roger via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Carol and Roger
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  One thing some people may have forgotten or were not on board with WE
  early enough was thay they also charged extra for pro versions of
  Window-Eyes.  It seems to me that it was at least $100 more than the
  standard version because I did not have pro and a friend did.  When the
  time came that I needed pro, I did have to find the money to do so.  The
  difference between the two companies is that all upgrades cost the same
  for WE and JFW charges more for the pro version upgrades.

  Carol


  On 4/28/2018 1:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
  > Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I 
think the problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a 
stranglehold in education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home 
and pro. That was one of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they 
were indeed running out of money, even though Window-Eyes had been around 
for 23 years, and the lawsuit that FS filed contributed to this..

  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of lynn white via Talk

  > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
  > To: bj colt via Talk
  > Cc: lynn white
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  >
  > I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
  > that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
  > but in smaller bites.
  >
  >
  > It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
  > Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
  > the names that you call Freedom Scientific.
  >
  >
  > Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply 
were

  > running out of money.
  >
  >
  > On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
  >> Hi Folks,
  >>
  >> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going 
to become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting 
rid of the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
interesting how it is going to work?

  >>
  >> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, 
evil sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

  >>
  >> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't 
subscribe.

  >>
  >> Live long and prosper, John
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[ratshtron via Talk]

and you didn't have to pay for skipt releases.


Legend has it that on Saturday 4/28/2018 07:31 AM, Loy Green via Talk said:

I've been a WE user since version 4.11 and I am sure there was not 
two version since that version. That was one of their selling 
points. The price was about $200 less than JAWS.

  - Original Message -
  From: Carol and Roger via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Carol and Roger
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  One thing some people may have forgotten or were not on board with WE
  early enough was thay they also charged extra for pro versions of
  Window-Eyes.  It seems to me that it was at least $100 more than the
  standard version because I did not have pro and a friend did.  When the
  time came that I needed pro, I did have to find the money to do so.  The
  difference between the two companies is that all upgrades cost the same
  for WE and JFW charges more for the pro version upgrades.

  Carol


  On 4/28/2018 1:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
  > Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody 
names. I think the problem with FS that people have is the fact 
they have a stranglehold in education and and the fact you have to 
pay extra for home and pro. That was one of the reasons I went to 
Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of money, even 
though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..

  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk

  > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
  > To: bj colt via Talk
  > Cc: lynn white
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  >
  > I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
  > that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
  > but in smaller bites.
  >
  >
  > It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
  > Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
  > the names that you call Freedom Scientific.
  >
  >
  > Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
  > running out of money.
  >
  >
  > On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
  >> Hi Folks,
  >>
  >> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws 
is going to become a subscription based product. Now it all makes 
sense, getting rid of the opposition first. No or very little 
competittion. This will be interesting how it is going to work?

  >>
  >> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say 
corrupt, evil sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

  >>
  >> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
  >>
  >> Live long and prosper, John
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[geodom--- via Talk]

There are a lot of us windoweyesers out here!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:12 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: `news about jws

Hi Olusegun,

I second, third and fourth to a million agree with you whole heartedly. When
I found out these companies get funding from the government. I was really
annoyed as well.

I too will never subscribe to jws and stick with window-eyes till I can't
use it any more.

Have a great wekend Brother.

Live long and prosper, John

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From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk"
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 1:24 PM
To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearu...@valtdnet.com>
Subject: RE: `news about jws


B J wrote in part:

"When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
least

8 copied of office."

I'm in your boat, brother!  I won't ever purchase any app that's
subscription based even if the cost is 50 cents a year!  Sounds horrible 
but
I can live with it.  Like B J, I have been using Office 2007; even though 
I
received a note from Microsoft that support for Office 2007 has ended, it 
is

still serving me well and I am yet to find a need for an upgrade to the
latest Office bell and whistle.  I read about folks struggling with
something called Back Stage and how to disable it.  Yikes, make an app
better if necessary, just don't make it too complicated in order to get 
this

done.

I'm interested in knowing whether or not the laws in the books can be
invoked when it comes to dealing with adaptive app and equipment 
companies.

Look at Humanware; it created the BrailleNote Touch and deployed a
deprecated copy of the Android OS on it; it still sells for more than
$5,000!  How about HIMS?  It claims to run on Android 5.1.1 which will 
soon
become deprecated as well.  And it sells for $6,000!  In both situations, 
no

path for an upgrade and, worst still, the freedom Android offers is
nonexistent.  Example:  In Android Land, you can install and use your own
preferred TTS engine.  What nonsense if I dare say so!

For as long as is possible, I shall continue to look at products in the
mainstream.  As I slowly KISS WINDOWS goodbye, I won't have to worry about
the shenanigans of screen reader developers for this OS!  I will not pay 
one

cent for any type of Jaws subscription.  Until my WINDOWS machines all die
naturally, I'll STICK WITH WINDOW-EYES which still PUTS SOME GREAT FOOD on
my wee, small table!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[Loy Green via Talk]

Haven't heard this either. I just purchase a SMA for Fusion that supposed to 
give me upgrades for two years. A guess you could call a  SMA a type of 
subscription, to keep the latest version you have to pay for an upgrade every 
year.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Cc: Russ Kiehne 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:33 AM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Likewise, I would like to know where this info came from?

  I'm subscribed to the Freedom Scientific podcast and nothing was said about 
  this in the latest podcast.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Shannon Bartch via Talk
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:29 AM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Cc: Shannon Bartch
  Subject: RE: `news about jws

  Where did you get this news?
  I don't get a news letter.t
  Shannon
  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
  [mailto:talk-bounces+shannon=bartchroofing@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
  Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:27 AM
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  Cc: bj colt
  Subject: `news about jws

  Hi Folks,

  I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to
  become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of
  the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be
  interesting how it is going to work?

  I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil
  sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

  I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

  Live long and prosper, John
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Re: `news about jws

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Likewise, I would like to know where this info came from?

I'm subscribed to the Freedom Scientific podcast and nothing was said about 
this in the latest podcast.


-Original Message- 
From: Shannon Bartch via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:29 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Shannon Bartch
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Where did you get this news?
I don't get a news letter.t
Shannon
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+shannon=bartchroofing@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:27 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: bj colt
Subject: `news about jws

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to
become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of
the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be
interesting how it is going to work?

I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

Live long and prosper, John
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Re: `news about jws

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Olusegun,

I second, third and fourth to a million agree with you whole heartedly. When 
I found out these companies get funding from the government. I was really 
annoyed as well.


I too will never subscribe to jws and stick with window-eyes till I can't 
use it any more.


Have a great wekend Brother.

Live long and prosper, John

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 1:24 PM
To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearu...@valtdnet.com>
Subject: RE: `news about jws


B J wrote in part:

"When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
least

8 copied of office."

I'm in your boat, brother!  I won't ever purchase any app that's
subscription based even if the cost is 50 cents a year!  Sounds horrible 
but
I can live with it.  Like B J, I have been using Office 2007; even though 
I
received a note from Microsoft that support for Office 2007 has ended, it 
is

still serving me well and I am yet to find a need for an upgrade to the
latest Office bell and whistle.  I read about folks struggling with
something called Back Stage and how to disable it.  Yikes, make an app
better if necessary, just don't make it too complicated in order to get 
this

done.

I'm interested in knowing whether or not the laws in the books can be
invoked when it comes to dealing with adaptive app and equipment 
companies.

Look at Humanware; it created the BrailleNote Touch and deployed a
deprecated copy of the Android OS on it; it still sells for more than
$5,000!  How about HIMS?  It claims to run on Android 5.1.1 which will 
soon
become deprecated as well.  And it sells for $6,000!  In both situations, 
no

path for an upgrade and, worst still, the freedom Android offers is
nonexistent.  Example:  In Android Land, you can install and use your own
preferred TTS engine.  What nonsense if I dare say so!

For as long as is possible, I shall continue to look at products in the
mainstream.  As I slowly KISS WINDOWS goodbye, I won't have to worry about
the shenanigans of screen reader developers for this OS!  I will not pay 
one

cent for any type of Jaws subscription.  Until my WINDOWS machines all die
naturally, I'll STICK WITH WINDOW-EYES which still PUTS SOME GREAT FOOD on
my wee, small table!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[Loy Green via Talk]

I've been a WE user since version 4.11 and I am sure there was not two version 
since that version. That was one of their selling points. The price was about 
$200 less than JAWS.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Carol and Roger via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Carol and Roger 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  One thing some people may have forgotten or were not on board with WE 
  early enough was thay they also charged extra for pro versions of 
  Window-Eyes.  It seems to me that it was at least $100 more than the 
  standard version because I did not have pro and a friend did.  When the 
  time came that I needed pro, I did have to find the money to do so.  The 
  difference between the two companies is that all upgrades cost the same 
  for WE and JFW charges more for the pro version upgrades.

  Carol


  On 4/28/2018 1:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
  > Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think 
the problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was one 
of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of 
money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of lynn white via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
  > To: bj colt via Talk
  > Cc: lynn white
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  >
  > I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
  > that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
  > but in smaller bites.
  >
  >
  > It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
  > Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
  > the names that you call Freedom Scientific.
  >
  >
  > Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
  > running out of money.
  >
  >
  > On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
  >> Hi Folks,
  >>
  >> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of the 
opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be interesting how 
it is going to work?
  >>
  >> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.
  >>
  >> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
  >>
  >> Live long and prosper, John
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RE: `news about jws

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

B J wrote in part:

"When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years. 
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office."

I'm in your boat, brother!  I won't ever purchase any app that's
subscription based even if the cost is 50 cents a year!  Sounds horrible but
I can live with it.  Like B J, I have been using Office 2007; even though I
received a note from Microsoft that support for Office 2007 has ended, it is
still serving me well and I am yet to find a need for an upgrade to the
latest Office bell and whistle.  I read about folks struggling with
something called Back Stage and how to disable it.  Yikes, make an app
better if necessary, just don't make it too complicated in order to get this
done.  

I'm interested in knowing whether or not the laws in the books can be
invoked when it comes to dealing with adaptive app and equipment companies.
Look at Humanware; it created the BrailleNote Touch and deployed a
deprecated copy of the Android OS on it; it still sells for more than
$5,000!  How about HIMS?  It claims to run on Android 5.1.1 which will soon
become deprecated as well.  And it sells for $6,000!  In both situations, no
path for an upgrade and, worst still, the freedom Android offers is
nonexistent.  Example:  In Android Land, you can install and use your own
preferred TTS engine.  What nonsense if I dare say so!

For as long as is possible, I shall continue to look at products in the
mainstream.  As I slowly KISS WINDOWS goodbye, I won't have to worry about
the shenanigans of screen reader developers for this OS!  I will not pay one
cent for any type of Jaws subscription.  Until my WINDOWS machines all die
naturally, I'll STICK WITH WINDOW-EYES which still PUTS SOME GREAT FOOD on
my wee, small table!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

One thing some people may have forgotten or were not on board with WE 
early enough was thay they also charged extra for pro versions of 
Window-Eyes.  It seems to me that it was at least $100 more than the 
standard version because I did not have pro and a friend did.  When the 
time came that I needed pro, I did have to find the money to do so.  The 
difference between the two companies is that all upgrades cost the same 
for WE and JFW charges more for the pro version upgrades.


Carol


On 4/28/2018 1:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think the 
problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was one 
of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of 
money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
but in smaller bites.


It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
the names that you call Freedom Scientific.


Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
running out of money.


On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to become 
a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of the 
opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be interesting how 
it is going to work?

I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

Live long and prosper, John
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Re: `news about jws

[Tony C via Talk]

If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" on 
screen reader users.


-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: `news about jws

Hi Lynn,

My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so
angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much
more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same price as
now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365
office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life.
When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office.

I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of
Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up
they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this way
about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree
with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
treated the way we are.

I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the
disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a
copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
more.

Live long and prosper, John



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Re: `news about jws

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, Well, I have to say that from my past experiences with FS that 
they are some of the rudest and least helpful companies I dealt with, not 
the worst mind you, but in the top 5.


-Original Message- 
From: lynn white via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 11:50 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
but in smaller bites.


It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
the names that you call Freedom Scientific.


Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
running out of money.


On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid 
of the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
interesting how it is going to work?


I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.


I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

Live long and prosper, John
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Re: `news about jws

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Lynn,

My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO 
offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is 
rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so 
angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much 
more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same price as 
now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365 
office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life. 
When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years. 
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid 
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least 
8 copied of office.


I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of 
Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up 
they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't 
apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them. 
Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this way 
about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree 
with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and 
treated the way we are.


I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the 
disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a 
copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any 
more.


Live long and prosper, John



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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Me too.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:36 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

That could be as you say.  I appreciate everything you have said, 
especially the spirit involved.


I hope that nobody sees my comments as being anti Window-Eyes.  I used 
Window-Eyes since the days of Windows 95 all the way up to the demise of 
GW Micro.  I, too, wish that they could have survived.


On 4/28/2018 12:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think 
> the problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
> education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was 
> one of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running 
> out of money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the 
> lawsuit that FS filed contributed to this..
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of lynn white via Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Cc: lynn white
> Subject: Re: `news about jws
>
> I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
> that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
> but in smaller bites.
>
>
> It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
> Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
> the names that you call Freedom Scientific.
>
>
> Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
> running out of money.
>
>
> On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
>> become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of 
>> the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
>> interesting how it is going to work?
>>
>> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
>> sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.
>>
>> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
>>
>> Live long and prosper, John
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Re: `news about jws

[lynn white via Talk]

That could be as you say.  I appreciate everything you have said, 
especially the spirit involved.



I hope that nobody sees my comments as being anti Window-Eyes.  I used 
Window-Eyes since the days of Windows 95 all the way up to the demise of 
GW Micro.  I, too, wish that they could have survived.



On 4/28/2018 12:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think the 
problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was one 
of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of 
money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
but in smaller bites.


It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
the names that you call Freedom Scientific.


Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
running out of money.


On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to become 
a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of the 
opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be interesting how 
it is going to work?

I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

Live long and prosper, John
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think the 
problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was one 
of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of 
money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished 
that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money 
but in smaller bites.


It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When 
Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach 
the names that you call Freedom Scientific.


Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were 
running out of money.


On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
> become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of 
> the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
> interesting how it is going to work?
>
> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
> sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.
>
> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
>
> Live long and prosper, John
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Re: `news about jws

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I can tell you this, we will know more near the end of this year, or perhaps 
when the next version of jaws is released. The systems are being developed as 
we speak though, so will definitely know something later on. I am curious, but 
not helpful.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2018, at 4:09 PM, lynn white via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> I think it would be a wonderful idea rather than having to shell out all 
> kinds of money.  As long as you have a choice of subscription or a downright 
> purchase and SMA.
> 
> 
>> On 4/27/2018 2:39 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
>> wrote:
>> What?  Jaws will be a subscription-based screen reader?  Please tell me it's
>> not true!  If true, it's absolutely absurd.
>> 
>> Anyway, as an individual, I am working feverishly to FLING WINDOWS down
>> whatever drain it finds itself in.  I'll be switching completely to my Shiny
>> Android, screen reader is FREE and there are no silly bells and whistles!
>> And, sure enough, kill the competition then hold a sledgehammer to
>> everyone's throat!  Let's hope the BLIND community wises up and refuses the
>> nonsense.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Olusegun
>> Denver, Colorado
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Re: `news about jws

[lynn white via Talk]

I think it would be a wonderful idea rather than having to shell out all 
kinds of money.  As long as you have a choice of subscription or a 
downright purchase and SMA.



On 4/27/2018 2:39 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:

What?  Jaws will be a subscription-based screen reader?  Please tell me it's
not true!  If true, it's absolutely absurd.

Anyway, as an individual, I am working feverishly to FLING WINDOWS down
whatever drain it finds itself in.  I'll be switching completely to my Shiny
Android, screen reader is FREE and there are no silly bells and whistles!
And, sure enough, kill the competition then hold a sledgehammer to
everyone's throat!  Let's hope the BLIND community wises up and refuses the
nonsense.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: `news about jws

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Hello,
Here is what I do know, from the Freedom Scientific podcast. They want to 
change and use your licensing, so that you have the capability of transferring 
license is from one machine to another, or removing a license in case of a shut 
down. There was nothing mentioned as far as I know, about subscription pricing 
for a child’s license.


 Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2018, at 3:39 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via 
> Talk  wrote:
> 
> What?  Jaws will be a subscription-based screen reader?  Please tell me it's
> not true!  If true, it's absolutely absurd.
> 
> Anyway, as an individual, I am working feverishly to FLING WINDOWS down
> whatever drain it finds itself in.  I'll be switching completely to my Shiny
> Android, screen reader is FREE and there are no silly bells and whistles!
> And, sure enough, kill the competition then hold a sledgehammer to
> everyone's throat!  Let's hope the BLIND community wises up and refuses the
> nonsense.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado  
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

The authorisation system will be a subscription baste.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 12:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

What?  Jaws will be a subscription-based screen reader?  Please tell me it's
not true!  If true, it's absolutely absurd.

Anyway, as an individual, I am working feverishly to FLING WINDOWS down
whatever drain it finds itself in.  I'll be switching completely to my Shiny
Android, screen reader is FREE and there are no silly bells and whistles!
And, sure enough, kill the competition then hold a sledgehammer to
everyone's throat!  Let's hope the BLIND community wises up and refuses the
nonsense.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: `news about jws

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

What?  Jaws will be a subscription-based screen reader?  Please tell me it's
not true!  If true, it's absolutely absurd.

Anyway, as an individual, I am working feverishly to FLING WINDOWS down
whatever drain it finds itself in.  I'll be switching completely to my Shiny
Android, screen reader is FREE and there are no silly bells and whistles!
And, sure enough, kill the competition then hold a sledgehammer to
everyone's throat!  Let's hope the BLIND community wises up and refuses the
nonsense.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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Re: `news about jws

[bj colt via Talk]

hi Shannon,

From a reliable source in Canada. Apparently it was widely spread at the 

scun conference.

I'm only going on what |I was informed. Whether it is true or not. I have no 
idea.


Live long and prosper, John

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From: "Shannon Bartch via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 3:29 PM
To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Shannon Bartch" <shan...@bartchroofing.com>
Subject: RE: `news about jws


Where did you get this news?
I don't get a news letter.
Shannon
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Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:27 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: bj colt
Subject: `news about jws

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to
become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid 
of

the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be
interesting how it is going to work?

I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

Live long and prosper, John
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RE: `news about jws

[Shannon Bartch via Talk]

Where did you get this news?
I don't get a news letter.
Shannon
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Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:27 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: bj colt
Subject: `news about jws

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to
become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of
the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be
interesting how it is going to work?

I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind. 

I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe. 

Live long and prosper, John
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