Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Yes, I don't know what that is.  It doesn't seem to do anyting, so I just 
hear it and make a mental note of it and go on.  It happens usually at the 
end of a download, like when I'm downloading a book from BARD.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 9:35 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I a lot of time when closing a program hear, "nno notification bar fouund".

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:56 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Nick Sarames'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
findin

RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Neville,

As you no doubt recall, you and I discussed the issue of the default Table
header setting being to read colum and row headers.
While I can certainly confirm that this setting is the default, on
reflection I think it was an attempt by the developer to give a consistent
starting-point for table navigation.
Wile, at first, I found this setting to be a nuisance, (especially given the
fact that it bothered me that perhaps something serious was wrong), over the
last month or so I have come to appreciate that it may indeed be a stroke of
genious on the part of the developer.
This is because at least it gives the user a lot of information which might
be helpful as they encounter new tables whose structure they do not know
yet.
I'm learning to see the good intentions of software developers.
"They need to create somewhat safe initial settings for their software,
especially given that not all, if not few, users are savvy 
Besides, it only takes a few presses of Control-Shift-H to rotor to the
setting you like.

With respect,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Neville via Talk
Sent: February 18, 2016 6:27 PM
To: Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net>; Window Eyes <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

In the past when a new update for WE was released, users had a chance to 
try it out and report any bugs found  so they could be fixed before the 
final release.  But now, a new version is released with no trial period 
at all.  If any bugs are found, then this must wait until the next 
release whenever that may be.

I am having an issue with not being  able to permantly stop table column 
and row headers being read although they are turned off in the WE 
control panel. This bug has been reported and catelogued for a fix in a 
future version but that may not be for quite some months. I wish they 
would bring back the testing period prior to the final release.

Neville.



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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tony,

Please take this in the spirit in which it is intended, that is, to help you
have a more pleasant email reading and writing experience.
I have found the need to move first from WLM to Thunderbird and then from
Thunderbird to Outlook.
The need to do this was the result of finding it extremely difficult, if not
impossible, to experience reliable cursor tracking.
Since moving to Outlook a couple of years ago, I have not had any cursor
tracking problems.
In short, I've had to care for my problem myself, rather than wait for AI
Squared to solve it.
I would like to suggest that you move to another email client, and, again, I
intend this in order to help you.
Three years is much too long, in my opinion, to force yourself to put up
with these problems.
As I've said to others, I believe we have the best chance to have an
accessible email client if we use Outlook, as it is part of the Office
suite, a widely-used Microsoft product.

With respect,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: February 18, 2016 3:47 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Well, Guys, again I got one or two emails from Chris at Ai Squared and when 
his first two questions and answers didn't fix the problem, I haven't heard 
another word from them. II t's been 2 days now since I replied to the last 
message and have gotten not even a "kis our foot" for a reply. How could 
they possibally fix anything if they ask two questions, give the same two 
ideas and if that don't work they just ignore your reply and move on to 
something else? As I've said before I've been reporting the issues with WLM 
now for 3 years and still sometimes I can read and correct what I've written

in a email message and sometimes I cannot. What the heck??

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of 
communicating
with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

As I understand it, this was not a new release. It was merely a few small 
changes to correct some things. We were not charged for it.


When a new release comes out, you'll know it because you'll be charged for 
it. I suggest everyone purchase a SMA. Sure saves on money.


-Bob Ringwald



-Original Message- 
From: Neville via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:27 PM
To: Tony C ; Window Eyes
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

In the past when a new update for WE was released, users had a chance to
try it out and report any bugs found  so they could be fixed before the
final release.  But now, a new version is released with no trial period
at all.  If any bugs are found, then this must wait until the next
release whenever that may be.

I am having an issue with not being  able to permantly stop table column
and row headers being read although they are turned off in the WE
control panel. This bug has been reported and catelogued for a fix in a
future version but that may not be for quite some months. I wish they
would bring back the testing period prior to the final release.

Neville.



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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Tony,
I would not install Java unless there is a Java based program you absolutely 
have to use. Java applications usually only show up in the workplace. There are 
also some inaccessible games that require Java as well. 
Regards,
Marc

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On February 18, 2016 5:40:14 PM Tony C <tch...@mediacombb.net> wrote:

> Well Mark, I might not be as negative if this hadn't been going on for so 
> long. Everytime I've approached this I get one or two messages one or two 
> suggestion and then when that doesn't work I just don't hear anything else. 
> If email isn't  an efficient way to handle things why is there a email tech 
> support link on the web page? I have called before talked to Doug about some 
> of these very issues, gave him remote asscess to my windows 8 pc but when 
> all was said and done nothing was resolved. You can pass this on to Chris if 
> you like. I just did an emergency remove of WE and reinstalled from the 
> download that Ai sent me and I have not installed any of the app upgrades 
> and have not installed the up grade to 9.3x yet. Everything seems to be 
> working beautifully so far. I've gottem on facebook, I'm writing this reply 
> to your message, and am able to read what I've written.I do have a question, 
> I got a message at the end of install telling me there was novalid java 
> access bridge, and that  I need to go to Orcal and install it. Should I 
> install Jave or could that be what was causing the issue?I'm sorry to be 
> neg, but this has been an ongoing issue for a long time now. Thank you Tony 
> C
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Marc Solomon via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; dlh...@centurylink.net
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I think this just goes to show that email is not an efficient way to 
> communicate about complex matters such as these. Again, I would recommend 
> picking up the phone and calling support. It also might be helpful if you 
> could try to tone down the negativity. I don't think it motivating anyone to 
> go out of their way to help you trouble shoot the problems you are 
> encountering. By the way, I have seen McAfee reak havoc and conflict with 
> Window-Eyes. I wrote up a knowledge article with the specifics: 
> www.gwmicro.com/kb2058.
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On February 18, 2016 3:49:07 PM Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, Guys, again I got one or two emails from Chris at Ai Squared and 
>> when
>> his first two questions and answers didn't fix the problem, I haven't 
>> heard
>> another word from them. II t's been 2 days now since I replied to the last
>> message and have gotten not even a "kis our foot" for a reply. How could
>> they possibally fix anything if they ask two questions, give the same two
>> ideas and if that don't work they just ignore your reply and move on to
>> something else? As I've said before I've been reporting the issues with 
>> WLM
>> now for 3 years and still sometimes I can read and correct what I've 
>> written
>> in a email message and sometimes I cannot. What the heck??
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
>> To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>>
>> Hello Rick,
>>
>> No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.
>>
>> A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
>> recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
>> work reliably.
>>
>> By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
>> configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
>> could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
>> to be updated, or switched out for something else.
>>
>> I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
>> system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
>> matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
>> outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
>> re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.
>>
>> I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
>> WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
>> front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
>

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Neville via Talk]

In the past when a new update for WE was released, users had a chance to 
try it out and report any bugs found  so they could be fixed before the 
final release.  But now, a new version is released with no trial period 
at all.  If any bugs are found, then this must wait until the next 
release whenever that may be.


I am having an issue with not being  able to permantly stop table column 
and row headers being read although they are turned off in the WE 
control panel. This bug has been reported and catelogued for a fix in a 
future version but that may not be for quite some months. I wish they 
would bring back the testing period prior to the final release.


Neville.



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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Well Mark, I might not be as negative if this hadn't been going on for so 
long. Everytime I've approached this I get one or two messages one or two 
suggestion and then when that doesn't work I just don't hear anything else. 
If email isn't  an efficient way to handle things why is there a email tech 
support link on the web page? I have called before talked to Doug about some 
of these very issues, gave him remote asscess to my windows 8 pc but when 
all was said and done nothing was resolved. You can pass this on to Chris if 
you like. I just did an emergency remove of WE and reinstalled from the 
download that Ai sent me and I have not installed any of the app upgrades 
and have not installed the up grade to 9.3x yet. Everything seems to be 
working beautifully so far. I've gottem on facebook, I'm writing this reply 
to your message, and am able to read what I've written.I do have a question, 
I got a message at the end of install telling me there was novalid java 
access bridge, and that  I need to go to Orcal and install it. Should I 
install Jave or could that be what was causing the issue?I'm sorry to be 
neg, but this has been an ongoing issue for a long time now. Thank you Tony 
C



-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; dlh...@centurylink.net
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I think this just goes to show that email is not an efficient way to 
communicate about complex matters such as these. Again, I would recommend 
picking up the phone and calling support. It also might be helpful if you 
could try to tone down the negativity. I don't think it motivating anyone to 
go out of their way to help you trouble shoot the problems you are 
encountering. By the way, I have seen McAfee reak havoc and conflict with 
Window-Eyes. I wrote up a knowledge article with the specifics: 
www.gwmicro.com/kb2058.

Thanks,
Marc

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On February 18, 2016 3:49:07 PM Tony C via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


Well, Guys, again I got one or two emails from Chris at Ai Squared and 
when
his first two questions and answers didn't fix the problem, I haven't 
heard

another word from them. II t's been 2 days now since I replied to the last
message and have gotten not even a "kis our foot" for a reply. How could
they possibally fix anything if they ask two questions, give the same two
ideas and if that don't work they just ignore your reply and move on to
something else? As I've said before I've been reporting the issues with 
WLM
now for 3 years and still sometimes I can read and correct what I've 
written

in a email message and sometimes I cannot. What the heck??

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of
communicating
with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Well, Guys, again I got one or two emails from Chris at Ai Squared and when 
his first two questions and answers didn't fix the problem, I haven't heard 
another word from them. II t's been 2 days now since I replied to the last 
message and have gotten not even a "kis our foot" for a reply. How could 
they possibally fix anything if they ask two questions, give the same two 
ideas and if that don't work they just ignore your reply and move on to 
something else? As I've said before I've been reporting the issues with WLM 
now for 3 years and still sometimes I can read and correct what I've written 
in a email message and sometimes I cannot. What the heck??


-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of 
communicating

with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

yes, just now while trying to read this message WE just lost focus and I had 
to alt tab around back to the message to continue reading it. Sighted person 
said there is nothing going on on the scree, anywhere...>>>>??? AI is 
conspicious by their silence..


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:44 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

The problem is, everybody says you get rid of it, and then it comes back a
couple of months later.  Now that they are more urgently pushing it, it
might come back sooner.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:29 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi: Yes, I had allot of focus problems due to that popup.
This is one reason I am still concerned that WindowEyes is not handling them
properly and there are likely others happening.
Often I would hear "give us feedback" even after turning this off in the
Windows10 settings, think it was "send us feedback" before I turned it off.
Now when I switch pages or open a new program I will hear "Clear" or "clear
button" meaning something else is popping up that I cant find after I hear
it read using any of the WindowEyes keys so far.
There a lot of moving parts to Windows and how the screen reader handles
them can be a problem for focus, insert position and the relationship
between them me thinks.
That message is one thing that pushed me over the edge and convinced me to
upgrade to Windows10 but I am not sure that just turning that message off,
some folks had figured out a way to do it, I would have been happier with
Windows8.1 or whatever it was.
Anyway, there should be a way to turn off that popup and perhaps someone
will RePost the solution.
Rick USA


-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:21 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

An unrelated note, you may remember last week I posted that WE was
jumping around a lot, especially in websites, and occasionally while
reading e-mails in browse mode.  As suddenly as that began, it stopped.
This barely happens now.  Occasionally, We will lose focus while I am
reading a lengthy e-mail, but I think a lot of that has to do with the
Get Windows 10 message.

On 2/18/2016 4:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of

lockups.

I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and

not

allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't

want

to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think

it

was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as

usual.

I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened

and

we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the

video

or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm usi

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

never have this happen with jaws or nvda. nothing happens like this the 
crashs always acure with window eyes.


On 2/18/2016 3:04 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Reading the postings it seems that this problem is not unique to WindowEyes
but is perhaps worse in WindowEyes.
There are indications that it happens most often in Internet Explorer or, at
least, is most identifyable in InternetExplorer with the dialog that
InternetExplorer says the program is not responding (same dialog when JAWS
locked up in Internet Explorer) but WindowEyes will not usually notify you
the problem has occurred and just locks up - this should be fixed by
AISquared so we can be notified and close the offending program.
Note that it is likely not Internet Explorer lockinng up but some program
being called or used by Internet Explorer like one that might display an ad
or flash or something because closing the program that is not responding
does not close Internet Explorer but after closing the program not
responding you are still in Internet Explorer and can continue working in
that program.
Some have noticed better results when not using background processes like
the automagic update of synced programs like cloud related programs, note
that OneNote and other things that come with our Operating Systems also can
be using these types of features by default.
Also, there allot of Live Tiles that will access the internet automagically
and send or gather information from external online web pages and, or, web
services which is akin to using a cloud service in that both have to access
something on the internet and thus prone to internet transmission and many
other problems.
Even programs that you would think wouldn't access the internet from your
desktop might be doing something online behind the scenes so this is one
possible avenue but tonarrow things down we can do a few things.
First, you folks who use Mazilla and Chrome for your browsers, have you
noticed any lockups at all using WindowEyes?
Second, the next time I get a Internet Explorer lockup I will try and hit
the Debug button instead of the close button to see what I can find out
about the error like what program(s) are related to it if the error will
give me that much detail.
I forget the WindowEyes hot key to copy a MessageBox which is usually not
able to be read with the normal arrow keys, anyone remember it off the top
of your head?
Rick USA



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:56 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have iCloud either. And I don't have the crashes. So, it has to
be something else.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 3:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has
to be something else.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
problems there. LOL

-Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish v

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

The problem is, everybody says you get rid of it, and then it comes back a 
couple of months later.  Now that they are more urgently pushing it, it 
might come back sooner.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:29 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi: Yes, I had allot of focus problems due to that popup.
This is one reason I am still concerned that WindowEyes is not handling them
properly and there are likely others happening.
Often I would hear "give us feedback" even after turning this off in the
Windows10 settings, think it was "send us feedback" before I turned it off.
Now when I switch pages or open a new program I will hear "Clear" or "clear
button" meaning something else is popping up that I cant find after I hear
it read using any of the WindowEyes keys so far.
There a lot of moving parts to Windows and how the screen reader handles
them can be a problem for focus, insert position and the relationship
between them me thinks.
That message is one thing that pushed me over the edge and convinced me to
upgrade to Windows10 but I am not sure that just turning that message off,
some folks had figured out a way to do it, I would have been happier with
Windows8.1 or whatever it was.
Anyway, there should be a way to turn off that popup and perhaps someone
will RePost the solution.
Rick USA


-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:21 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

An unrelated note, you may remember last week I posted that WE was
jumping around a lot, especially in websites, and occasionally while
reading e-mails in browse mode.  As suddenly as that began, it stopped.
This barely happens now.  Occasionally, We will lose focus while I am
reading a lengthy e-mail, but I think a lot of that has to do with the
Get Windows 10 message.

On 2/18/2016 4:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of

lockups.

I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and

not

allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't

want

to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think

it

was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as

usual.

I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened

and

we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the

video

or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating han

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I get that message when I finish downloading something.  I have windows 
seven, the latest window eyes and internet explorer ten.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:56 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Nick Sarames'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windo

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I think it's not just internet explorer.  I have seen it say other things 
have stopped working, or is not responding.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:39 PM
To: 'Loy' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hmm, the Internet Explorer has stopped working thingy occurs a trillion and
one times in my Windows7 Professional 64Bit box.  To this day, I don't know
what causes this to happen!  I do run demo copies of Jaws and I get the same
nonsense now and then.  So, it's not Window-Eyes generating that, it's
something "wonderfully and fearfully" woven into Internet Explorer by
Microsoft me thinks!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Probally, but WE will not read the damn thing allowing you to choose the 
close button


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:39 PM
To: 'Loy' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hmm, the Internet Explorer has stopped working thingy occurs a trillion and
one times in my Windows7 Professional 64Bit box.  To this day, I don't know
what causes this to happen!  I do run demo copies of Jaws and I get the same
nonsense now and then.  So, it's not Window-Eyes generating that, it's
something "wonderfully and fearfully" woven into Internet Explorer by
Microsoft me thinks!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

I a lot of time when closing a program hear, "nno notification bar fouund".

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:56 AM
To: 'Rick Thomas' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Nick Sarames'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencin

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Don H via Talk]

Wouldn't it be nice for the Ai Squared staff to chime in on this topic. 
 They could outline for us what issues that WE has with IE, whether the 
cloud is a issue and so on.  In the past the staff always says it is a 
issue with IE and not WE but a better explaination sure would be nice. 
We waited for years for a browse mode update and things do work better 
but as we have seen there are still issues.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Jonathan Cohn via Talk]

Note also, that JAWS 17 added a feature to automatically restart itself if it 
can’t talk to the window that has focus for 5 seconds. This essentially solves 
the lockup problem for JAWS, at the expense of a 5 second hang and any non 
saved options being lost.

I expect we could probably write an App that does essentially the same thing, 
perhaps with an little extra nudge from an outside program. UNIX developers 
have often build in auto restart service functionality. 

Would there be interest from the community to have a auto-restart when hung 
functionality in WindowEyes?

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 04:04, Rick Thomas via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Reading the postings it seems that this problem is not unique to WindowEyes
> but is perhaps worse in WindowEyes.
> There are indications that it happens most often in Internet Explorer or, at
> least, is most identifyable in InternetExplorer with the dialog that
> InternetExplorer says the program is not responding (same dialog when JAWS
> locked up in Internet Explorer) but WindowEyes will not usually notify you
> the problem has occurred and just locks up - this should be fixed by
> AISquared so we can be notified and close the offending program.
> Note that it is likely not Internet Explorer lockinng up but some program
> being called or used by Internet Explorer like one that might display an ad
> or flash or something because closing the program that is not responding
> does not close Internet Explorer but after closing the program not
> responding you are still in Internet Explorer and can continue working in
> that program.
> Some have noticed better results when not using background processes like
> the automagic update of synced programs like cloud related programs, note
> that OneNote and other things that come with our Operating Systems also can
> be using these types of features by default.
> Also, there allot of Live Tiles that will access the internet automagically
> and send or gather information from external online web pages and, or, web
> services which is akin to using a cloud service in that both have to access
> something on the internet and thus prone to internet transmission and many
> other problems.
> Even programs that you would think wouldn't access the internet from your
> desktop might be doing something online behind the scenes so this is one
> possible avenue but tonarrow things down we can do a few things.
> First, you folks who use Mazilla and Chrome for your browsers, have you
> noticed any lockups at all using WindowEyes?
> Second, the next time I get a Internet Explorer lockup I will try and hit
> the Debug button instead of the close button to see what I can find out
> about the error like what program(s) are related to it if the error will
> give me that much detail.
> I forget the WindowEyes hot key to copy a MessageBox which is usually not
> able to be read with the normal arrow keys, anyone remember it off the top
> of your head?
> Rick USA
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:56 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
> 
> I don't have iCloud either. And I don't have the crashes. So, it has to 
> be something else.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 2/17/2016 3:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has
>> to be something else.  Pam.
>> 
>> -----Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
>> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>> 
>> I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
>> problems there. LOL
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
>> To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
>> Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>> 
>> Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
>> that is having such an impact.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards, John
>> 
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
>> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>

RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: Yes, I had allot of focus problems due to that popup.
This is one reason I am still concerned that WindowEyes is not handling them
properly and there are likely others happening.
Often I would hear "give us feedback" even after turning this off in the
Windows10 settings, think it was "send us feedback" before I turned it off.
Now when I switch pages or open a new program I will hear "Clear" or "clear
button" meaning something else is popping up that I cant find after I hear
it read using any of the WindowEyes keys so far.
There a lot of moving parts to Windows and how the screen reader handles
them can be a problem for focus, insert position and the relationship
between them me thinks.
That message is one thing that pushed me over the edge and convinced me to
upgrade to Windows10 but I am not sure that just turning that message off,
some folks had figured out a way to do it, I would have been happier with
Windows8.1 or whatever it was.
Anyway, there should be a way to turn off that popup and perhaps someone
will RePost the solution.
Rick USA


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From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:21 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

An unrelated note, you may remember last week I posted that WE was 
jumping around a lot, especially in websites, and occasionally while 
reading e-mails in browse mode.  As suddenly as that began, it stopped.  
This barely happens now.  Occasionally, We will lose focus while I am 
reading a lengthy e-mail, but I think a lot of that has to do with the 
Get Windows 10 message.

On 2/18/2016 4:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> A side note, anyone else?
> I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of
lockups.
> I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and
not
> allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't
want
> to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
> Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
> heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think
it
> was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as
usual.
> I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
> happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
> would see if others have heard this or something similar.
> It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
> the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened
and
> we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
> thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
> encountering.
> But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
> include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
> incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
> explorer.
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
> Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
> To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Thanks Nick:
> OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
> video starts over.
> When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the
video
> or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
> To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
> WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
> seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
> dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
> I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.
>
> On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> Hi Nick:
>> What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
>> turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your
> computer
>> and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
>> WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your sit

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I'm trying to remember, I think after I close the program, I am back at 
Daily Motion, using IE 11 by the way, I think.


On 2/18/2016 4:46 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you

determined

if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to

get

to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing

it

to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone

else

has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or

if

this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in

our

test results.
Rick USA

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

An unrelated note, you may remember last week I posted that WE was 
jumping around a lot, especially in websites, and occasionally while 
reading e-mails in browse mode.  As suddenly as that began, it stopped.  
This barely happens now.  Occasionally, We will lose focus while I am 
reading a lengthy e-mail, but I think a lot of that has to do with the 
Get Windows 10 message.


On 2/18/2016 4:56 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your

computer

and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place

you

left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program i

RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

A side note, anyone else?
I was just in internet explorer in the website where I get allot of lockups.
I got none but it is about 4:30 am so likely little net traffic here and not
allot of dynamic, flash and other ads being scheduled since they don't want
to waste money with ads when few people are online in this area.
Now, when I closed internet explorer and returned to my desktop program I
heard a ca ching and WindowEyes said there was no information bar, think it
was information bar and then I was placed into my desktop program as usual.
I used alt-f4 to close internet explorer so this message should not have
happened unless WindowEyes was confused about something and so I thought I
would see if others have heard this or something similar.
It may indicate WindowEyes processing a message or something like being in
the wrong script or something if it happens so it was unusual, happened and
we need to see if it is happening often enough to be in consideration when
thinking about internet explorer, focus and intermittant problems we are
encountering.
But if others are not having these types of problems we might not need to
include them in looking at the problem at hand - don't know but it was an
incorrect response by WindowEyes to a simple alt-f4 to close internet
explorer.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:46 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest 
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There 
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on 
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link 
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Hi Nick:
> What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
> turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your
computer
> and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
> WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
> I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
> things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
> these settings and lock up results.
> Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
> videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
> I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
> When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
> forget but think that was the case.
> If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place
you
> left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
> To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
> Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
> Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
> messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
> I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
> when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
> finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.
>
> On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Hi:
>> I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where
> WindowEyes
>> will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
>> This happens very often.
>> Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
>> click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
>> If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you
determined
>> if this is unique to WindowEyes o

RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Thanks Nick:
OK, so that might mean that DailyMotion has closed and ReStarted since the
video starts over.
When the video Restarts are you still in Internet Explorer playing the video
or does Daily Motion work under Internet Explorer or your browser?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:37 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest 
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There 
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on 
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link 
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.

On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Hi Nick:
> What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
> turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your
computer
> and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
> WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
> I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
> things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
> these settings and lock up results.
> Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
> videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
> I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
> When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
> forget but think that was the case.
> If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place
you
> left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
> To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
> Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
> Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
> messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
> I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
> when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
> finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.
>
> On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Hi:
>> I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where
> WindowEyes
>> will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
>> This happens very often.
>> Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
>> click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
>> If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you
determined
>> if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
>> readers.
>> I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
>> Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to
> get
>> to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
>> the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing
> it
>> to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
>> causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
>> I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
>> understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone
else
>> has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
>> with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or
> if
>> this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
>> getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in
our
>> test results.
>> Rick USA
>>
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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I won't be able to answer all your questions, but I'm using the latest 
WE on a Windows 8.0? (whatever Windows came before Windows-10.  There 
seem to be fewer IE messages while I am watching the videos on 
dailymotion.com.  When I click on the close the program button (or link 
I can't remember) the video goes back to the beginning.


On 2/18/2016 4:19 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your computer
and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place you
left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where

WindowEyes

will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to

get

to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing

it

to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or

if

this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
test results.
Rick USA

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi Nick:
What is your ccomputer, operating system and have you done anything like
turn off live tiles or any other settings that may impact how your computer
and operating handles things like one note or any Operating System or
WindowEyes settings you think may be involved with your situation?
I know it is allot to think and try to remember but if there is one or 2
things that pop into your fron post up just to see if others can relate to
these settings and lock up results.
Besides, if you are still getting lock ups in your browser watching your
videos the problem is still happening, just not as often.
I remember getting it watching a video, amazon prime or netflix I forget.
When I clicked the close program I think the video continued playing, I
forget but think that was the case.
If your video will continue playing does it continue at the exact place you
left off or is it a little later or earlier in the video?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames [mailto:nicksara...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 3:52 AM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the 
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet 
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those 
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time 
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is 
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem 
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.

On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> Hi:
> I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where
WindowEyes
> will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
> This happens very often.
> Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
> click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
> If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
> if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
> readers.
> I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
> Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to
get
> to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
> the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing
it
> to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
> causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
> I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
> understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
> has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
> with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or
if
> this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
> getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
> test results.
> Rick USA
>
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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Reading the postings it seems that this problem is not unique to WindowEyes
but is perhaps worse in WindowEyes.
There are indications that it happens most often in Internet Explorer or, at
least, is most identifyable in InternetExplorer with the dialog that
InternetExplorer says the program is not responding (same dialog when JAWS
locked up in Internet Explorer) but WindowEyes will not usually notify you
the problem has occurred and just locks up - this should be fixed by
AISquared so we can be notified and close the offending program.
Note that it is likely not Internet Explorer lockinng up but some program
being called or used by Internet Explorer like one that might display an ad
or flash or something because closing the program that is not responding
does not close Internet Explorer but after closing the program not
responding you are still in Internet Explorer and can continue working in
that program.
Some have noticed better results when not using background processes like
the automagic update of synced programs like cloud related programs, note
that OneNote and other things that come with our Operating Systems also can
be using these types of features by default.
Also, there allot of Live Tiles that will access the internet automagically
and send or gather information from external online web pages and, or, web
services which is akin to using a cloud service in that both have to access
something on the internet and thus prone to internet transmission and many
other problems.
Even programs that you would think wouldn't access the internet from your
desktop might be doing something online behind the scenes so this is one
possible avenue but tonarrow things down we can do a few things.
First, you folks who use Mazilla and Chrome for your browsers, have you
noticed any lockups at all using WindowEyes?
Second, the next time I get a Internet Explorer lockup I will try and hit
the Debug button instead of the close button to see what I can find out
about the error like what program(s) are related to it if the error will
give me that much detail.
I forget the WindowEyes hot key to copy a MessageBox which is usually not
able to be read with the normal arrow keys, anyone remember it off the top
of your head?
Rick USA



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:56 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have iCloud either. And I don't have the crashes. So, it has to 
be something else.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 3:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has
> to be something else.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
> problems there. LOL
>
> -Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
> To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
> Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
> that is having such an impact.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
> getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
>> working with the close program dialog.
>> So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr....@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>>
>> I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
>> problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the

Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

When I used to have Windows-7 and WE 8.4(?), and I often got the 
Interwnet Explorer has stopped working or an error caused Internet 
Explorer to close.  Often I w.ould have to wait for WE to read those 
messages and finding the dialog boxes was difficult.  Now the only time 
I seem to get the, internet explorer has stopped working, messages is 
when I am watching a video from dailymotion.com.  I have no problem 
finding the window and the button to aledgedly close the program.


On 2/17/2016 5:35 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where WindowEyes
will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to get
to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing it
to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or if
this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
test results.
Rick USA

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[michael's emails via Talk]

   Hi Rick yes i get this everyday i can't work out why every time i get IE 
or WLm has stopped working and it crashes WE plus on web pages we just stops 
and its hard to get We to focus again.

But i do find the WE short cut key to restart does work most the time.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where WindowEyes
will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to get
to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing it
to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or if
this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
test results.
Rick USA

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[michael's emails via Talk]

Well your a lucky man Tom i got 3 computers and WE crashes on all 3 at quiet 
offen times.

Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 4:14 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[michael's emails via Talk]

Thats hard wen WE does not speek.
cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: kitty hevener via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 2:27 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

As a troubleshooting tool, I usually start out by checking my title bar.
Then, if still not quite sure what is going on, I tried reading a dialog box
with ctrl-shift-w or even hitting the w twice.  If you have not already
tried, perhaps this will help u too.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:24 AM
To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi: Yup, WE does not usually read that dialog, just locks up.
I just ran through some web pages that lock up allot with WindowEyes using
JAWS.
After navigating through a few of them JAWS reported that Internet Explorer
was not responding and had the buttons to close the program.
WindowEyes will just lock up and you have to use narrator or another screen
reader to close, even to be aware of, that dialog.
I have seen WindowEyes lock up like this in other programs as well although
not as often and it is likely that if a program has a problem WindowEyes
will lock up instead of continuing to work unlike other screen readers.
Someone had had a problem like this with some game and found it was that
WindowEyes had some kind of threading problem where it locks up if a program
locks up and he had to set some priority for either the game or WindowEyes
to get around this if I remember.
I don't know how to set the WindowEyes threading priority nor the Internet
threading priority to test this whether this might at least get the dialog
to read  - any ideas?
Rick USA


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[michael's emails via Talk]

Well it does not make sence to me to have to use 3 screen readers when we 
pay good money for WE Witch i am sick of it ccrashing every time a important 
message pops up.

Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Elizabeth via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 1:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut down 
Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has stopped 
working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Elizabeth via Talk]

I buy from iTunes without iCloud. I buy from Amazon without iCloud.
Elizabeth

At 02:44 PM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do 
that, how can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of 
their apps work without iCloud, itself?

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Elizabeth via Talk]

I don't get many IE crashes using 8.4. I have never had iCloud on my system.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

I've been trying to find out if Mcaffee is causing issues, but AI Squared 
apparently doesn't know either. I have the paid version of AVG on my windows 
8 pc and althoug it does have the same issues with WLM, I does also loose 
focus on webpages. I got a 1 year subscription of Mcaffee when I bought this 
machine from Del, and until I have some cold hard fact that Mcaffee is 
causing the issues I don't want to go and pay for another PC to be on AVG. I 
see that there are several other people having the same and simular issues 
and not using Mcaffee


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:08 PM
To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

When window eyes locks up, it only restarts in certain instances.  If it
locks up when I'm doing a save target as, I can do a control alt w and hear
the ascending music that tells me window eyes has started, but I never hear
the voice.  Most of the time, when I restart window eyes, it starts up find,
but as I said, not in that instance.  I'm not sure if that's the only time
it does that or not.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:18 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi Rick:
When I press control-alt-w, Window-eyes restarts and then I can read
that edialog.
Sometimes, Window-eyes does not start right away, but within 2 or
three seconds, I hear the asending tone and Windo-eyes starts again.
Then Ican alt-tab back to the dialog window and I can usually read it.
Kevin Huber

On 2/17/16, Rick Thomas via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where
WindowEyes
will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to
get
to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing
it
to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or 
if

this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
test results.
Rick USA

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

When I called them about my problem having it lock up doing save target as, 
they told me it was something they were working on.  The work around for 
this particular problem I have is to set my braille display to none.  It 
worked.  Strangely, I thought the aps I downloaded the other day had a cure 
for it, because it worked, last week.  But it is back to locking up again, 
so I had to go into the control pannel and set my display to none, and then 
window eyes didn't lock up.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:19 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi Dave, I'm with you 100 on that. I keep getting the same response "it's
not a WE issue" Everything I've reported from Windows 7 and WLM, Windows 8
and WlM, and now Windows 10 and WLM. I keep getting the same reply. I'm told
it'  it is either one of these: a windows focus issue, an issue with my
virus, audio drivers, etc. I know I'm not the only one using a Del pc. My
windows 8 pc is del, and this windows 10 is a Del. I can truthfully say that
not one issue that I've reported in the last 2 years has been resolved. Not
once has GW or AI Squared told me yes we know there are some issues with
some configuration and such and we are working to resolve them. Heck, I've
been reporting the same problem with WLM since 2011 and I'm still reporting
the same issue.. I have been a loyal WE user since 2004 when I made the
switch from Jaws. . In the past 2 or 3 years I've had things that worked
just fine and then I get an upgrade to the next version of WE and it no
longer works, and I'm told it's a windows issue, when I state that it worked
in the previous versin of WE, I get no reply.
I have read documentation, reinstalled WE, got rid of the Del software that
comes with their PC's and done everything that has been suggested. What's a
person to do??
Tony C

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of
communicating
with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I don't have iCloud either. And I don't have the crashes. So, it has to 
be something else.


Tom


On 2/17/2016 3:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has
to be something else.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
problems there. LOL

-Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
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On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has to be 
something else.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
problems there. LOL

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

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Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi Dave, I'm with you 100 on that. I keep getting the same response "it's 
not a WE issue" Everything I've reported from Windows 7 and WLM, Windows 8 
and WlM, and now Windows 10 and WLM. I keep getting the same reply. I'm told 
it'  it is either one of these: a windows focus issue, an issue with my 
virus, audio drivers, etc. I know I'm not the only one using a Del pc. My 
windows 8 pc is del, and this windows 10 is a Del. I can truthfully say that 
not one issue that I've reported in the last 2 years has been resolved. Not 
once has GW or AI Squared told me yes we know there are some issues with 
some configuration and such and we are working to resolve them. Heck, I've 
been reporting the same problem with WLM since 2011 and I'm still reporting 
the same issue.. I have been a loyal WE user since 2004 when I made the 
switch from Jaws. . In the past 2 or 3 years I've had things that worked 
just fine and then I get an upgrade to the next version of WE and it no 
longer works, and I'm told it's a windows issue, when I state that it worked 
in the previous versin of WE, I get no reply.
I have read documentation, reinstalled WE, got rid of the Del software that 
comes with their PC's and done everything that has been suggested. What's a 
person to do??

Tony C

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of 
communicating

with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems.
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Rick:
When I press control-alt-w, Window-eyes restarts and then I can read
that edialog.
Sometimes, Window-eyes does not start right away, but within 2 or
three seconds, I hear the asending tone and Windo-eyes starts again.
 Then Ican alt-tab back to the dialog window and I can usually read it.
Kevin Huber

On 2/17/16, Rick Thomas via Talk  wrote:
> Hi:
> I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where
> WindowEyes
> will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
> This happens very often.
> Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
> click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
> If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
> if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
> readers.
> I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
> Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to
> get
> to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
> the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing
> it
> to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
> causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
> I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
> understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
> has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
> with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or if
> this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
> getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
> test results.
> Rick USA
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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Bill Tillery via Talk]

I do not have any issues using iTunes or Amazon since they are separate
apps.


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 1:45 PM
To: Tom Kingston <tom.kings...@charter.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do that, how 
can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of their apps work 
without iCloud, itself?

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick 
Thomas'
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:
> Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
> that is having such an impact.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
> getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
>> Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
>> working with the close program dialog.
>> So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>>
>> I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
>> problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
>> and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
>> I invoke NVDA.
>> By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
>> tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
>> two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>>> I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
>>> down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
>>> stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do that, how 
can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of their apps work 
without iCloud, itself?


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick 
Thomas'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Bill Tillery via Talk]

I have removed iCloud as well, within the past twenty (20) minutes.  When I
rebooted my system it was faster and with much less hard drive action just
after boot.  I am using Outlook 2013 and it responds better at this time.  I
was having multiple problems with email and IE prior to this change.  I am
running a Dell XPS-9100 with 6-mg ram, 1-tb hd and WE 9.3.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:28 PM
To: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.  

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.  

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.  

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.  

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of
communicating
with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.  

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems. 
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.  

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.  

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?  

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[via Talk]

Hello Rick,

No, you are not imagining problems in WE 9.X.  

A I Squared seems to be annoyingly silent about solutions or even
recognizing there are those, for what ever reasons, WE 9.X just does not
work reliably.  

By now, I would think Tech Support would have loads of notes about the
configuration of systems that are having problems.  I would think they
could start noticing patterns and recognize equipment that either needs
to be updated, or switched out for something else.  

I believe WE 9 has issues with memory.  On my system, if I left the
system stay idle for two three hours, and then start using it, it is a
matter of minutes before I get a lock up, Speech goes quiet, or an
outright Freeze of the system.  All requiring a total shut down and
re-start.  Rarely does using the short cut key to re-start WE 9, work.  

I do not wish to buy JAWS, or even entertain going over to JAWS.  I like
WE and have used it for years.  I wish A I Squared was a bit more up
front with their customers, but remaining quiet, which gives the
impression they are ignoring problems, seems to be their way of communicating
with customers.Ignoring problems is not a smart way to run a
business, and if done long enough, the problems do not go away, but the
customers do.  

Even if A I Squared would say, Yes, we have a problem on some systems. 
We are not sure just why some have issues and others do not, but we are
working on finding a solution.even something like this would at
least keep me from pulling my hair out, thinking that the problem could
be my system, or something in it that is causing issues.  

Honesty goes a long way in keeping my loyalty.  Silence on the other
hand makes me feel as if I am ignored.  

I keep thinking if I had more memeory, that just maybe WE 9 would work a
bit better.  Any here with 16 GB of RAM having problems with WE locking
up, or Speech going away?  

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

I've gotten rid of any and all addons. I even went in and got rid of all the 
Del "bloatware" they  you get when you buy a new pc from them. The only Del 
program I let is the registration, and blue tooth.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick 
Thomas'

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused 
problems there. LOL


-Original Message- 
From: John Farley via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

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Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage 
add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.


Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[John Farley via Talk]

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are 
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
> working with the close program dialog.
> So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
> To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
> problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
> and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
> I invoke NVDA.
> By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
> tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
> two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>> I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
>> down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
>> stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are 
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.


Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Sometimes my window eyes says that some program is not responding.  I have 
the latest version of window eyes.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:33 AM
To: ofbgm...@mi.rr.com ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Window-eyes 8.4 behaves the same way here. If Internet Explorer and
Window-eyes stops speaking, I can start NVDA and it will say Internet
Explorer has stopped responding." I then close Internet Explorer and
Window-eyes usually starts speaking again.
But no announcements warn me of this behavior in Window-eyes itself.
Window-eyes stays silent about Internet Explorer stopping. NVDA does
not. It instead lets me know what is going on.

Elizabeth
At 06:24 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

WE does not usually read that dialog, just locks up.
I just ran through some web pages that lock up allot with WindowEyes using
JAWS.
After navigating through a few of them JAWS reported that Internet Explorer
was not responding and had the buttons to close the program.
WindowEyes will just lock up and you have to use narrator or another screen
reader to close, even to be aware of, that dialog.
I have seen WindowEyes lock up like this in other programs as well although
not as often and it is likely that if a program has a problem WindowEyes
will lock up instead of continuing to work unlike other screen readers.
Someone had had a problem like this with some game and found it was that
WindowEyes had some kind of threading problem where it locks up if a 
program

locks up and he had to set some priority for either the game or WindowEyes
to get around this if I remember.
I don't know how to set the WindowEyes threading priority nor the Internet
threading priority to test this whether this might at least get the dialog
to read  - any ideas?

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I hate to chime in here, but I often get the message that Internet Explorer 
is not responding. I also get a message that a problem with the web page 
caused Internet Explorer to close and re-open the page. If it does that, I 
consider myself lucky and can conti9nue working with the page. Sometimes, I 
hear a chime. Sometimes, Window-Eyes speaks the messages and other times 
not. Sometimes, Control+a_w works and sometimes not. Sometimes, starting 
Window-eyes from the run dialog works and sometimes not.

In very few cases, am I able to start Narrator or NVDA.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:04 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I've also had the problem. I didn't know there was a dialog coming up
telling me that IE wasn't responding. WE used to read this but for what ever
reason does not any more. It wasn't until my sighted GF told me it was there
that I knew Ie was not responding.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:35 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where WindowEyes
will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to get
to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing it
to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or if
this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
test results.
Rick USA

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing 
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash 
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once 
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various 
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having 
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
>I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut 
>down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has 
>stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[kitty hevener via Talk]

As a troubleshooting tool, I usually start out by checking my title bar. 
Then, if still not quite sure what is going on, I tried reading a dialog box 
with ctrl-shift-w or even hitting the w twice.  If you have not already 
tried, perhaps this will help u too.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:24 AM
To: 'Tony C' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi: Yup, WE does not usually read that dialog, just locks up.
I just ran through some web pages that lock up allot with WindowEyes using
JAWS.
After navigating through a few of them JAWS reported that Internet Explorer
was not responding and had the buttons to close the program.
WindowEyes will just lock up and you have to use narrator or another screen
reader to close, even to be aware of, that dialog.
I have seen WindowEyes lock up like this in other programs as well although
not as often and it is likely that if a program has a problem WindowEyes
will lock up instead of continuing to work unlike other screen readers.
Someone had had a problem like this with some game and found it was that
WindowEyes had some kind of threading problem where it locks up if a program
locks up and he had to set some priority for either the game or WindowEyes
to get around this if I remember.
I don't know how to set the WindowEyes threading priority nor the Internet
threading priority to test this whether this might at least get the dialog
to read  - any ideas?
Rick USA


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Elizabeth via Talk]

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing 
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash 
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once 
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various 
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having 
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.


Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut 
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has 
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Windows M works every once in a while.

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:04 AM
To: Elizabeth ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Instead of trying ctrl-alt-W inside Internet Explorer, I first do Windows-M
to go to the desktop, and then ctrl-alt-W. I think this can enable you to
see the crash dialog.
I think that Firefox, especially with Flash removed, is more usable on some
of these pages.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Elizabeth via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:33 AM
To: ofbgm...@mi.rr.com ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Window-eyes 8.4 behaves the same way here. If Internet Explorer and
Window-eyes stops speaking, I can start NVDA and it will say Internet
Explorer has stopped responding." I then close Internet Explorer and
Window-eyes usually starts speaking again.
But no announcements warn me of this behavior in Window-eyes itself.
Window-eyes stays silent about Internet Explorer stopping. NVDA does
not. It instead lets me know what is going on.

Elizabeth
At 06:24 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

WE does not usually read that dialog, just locks up.
I just ran through some web pages that lock up allot with WindowEyes using
JAWS.
After navigating through a few of them JAWS reported that Internet Explorer
was not responding and had the buttons to close the program.
WindowEyes will just lock up and you have to use narrator or another screen
reader to close, even to be aware of, that dialog.
I have seen WindowEyes lock up like this in other programs as well although
not as often and it is likely that if a program has a problem WindowEyes
will lock up instead of continuing to work unlike other screen readers.
Someone had had a problem like this with some game and found it was that
WindowEyes had some kind of threading problem where it locks up if a 
program

locks up and he had to set some priority for either the game or WindowEyes
to get around this if I remember.
I don't know how to set the WindowEyes threading priority nor the Internet
threading priority to test this whether this might at least get the dialog
to read  - any ideas?

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

Instead of trying ctrl-alt-W inside Internet Explorer, I first do Windows-M 
to go to the desktop, and then ctrl-alt-W. I think this can enable you to 
see the crash dialog.
I think that Firefox, especially with Flash removed, is more usable on some 
of these pages.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Elizabeth via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:33 AM
To: ofbgm...@mi.rr.com ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Window-eyes 8.4 behaves the same way here. If Internet Explorer and
Window-eyes stops speaking, I can start NVDA and it will say Internet
Explorer has stopped responding." I then close Internet Explorer and
Window-eyes usually starts speaking again.
But no announcements warn me of this behavior in Window-eyes itself.
Window-eyes stays silent about Internet Explorer stopping. NVDA does
not. It instead lets me know what is going on.

Elizabeth
At 06:24 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

WE does not usually read that dialog, just locks up.
I just ran through some web pages that lock up allot with WindowEyes using
JAWS.
After navigating through a few of them JAWS reported that Internet Explorer
was not responding and had the buttons to close the program.
WindowEyes will just lock up and you have to use narrator or another screen
reader to close, even to be aware of, that dialog.
I have seen WindowEyes lock up like this in other programs as well although
not as often and it is likely that if a program has a problem WindowEyes
will lock up instead of continuing to work unlike other screen readers.
Someone had had a problem like this with some game and found it was that
WindowEyes had some kind of threading problem where it locks up if a 
program

locks up and he had to set some priority for either the game or WindowEyes
to get around this if I remember.
I don't know how to set the WindowEyes threading priority nor the Internet
threading priority to test this whether this might at least get the dialog
to read  - any ideas?

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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

Yes, same here. How is it possible that a free SR can out perform a paid 
one? Maybe the voice sucks but I now have 2 SR's installed on my pc for the 
first time in years.


-Original Message- 
From: Elizabeth via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:33 AM
To: ofbgm...@mi.rr.com ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Window-eyes 8.4 behaves the same way here. If Internet Explorer and
Window-eyes stops speaking, I can start NVDA and it will say Internet
Explorer has stopped responding." I then close Internet Explorer and
Window-eyes usually starts speaking again.
But no announcements warn me of this behavior in Window-eyes itself.
Window-eyes stays silent about Internet Explorer stopping. NVDA does
not. It instead lets me know what is going on.

Elizabeth
At 06:24 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

WE does not usually read that dialog, just locks up.
I just ran through some web pages that lock up allot with WindowEyes using
JAWS.
After navigating through a few of them JAWS reported that Internet Explorer
was not responding and had the buttons to close the program.
WindowEyes will just lock up and you have to use narrator or another screen
reader to close, even to be aware of, that dialog.
I have seen WindowEyes lock up like this in other programs as well although
not as often and it is likely that if a program has a problem WindowEyes
will lock up instead of continuing to work unlike other screen readers.
Someone had had a problem like this with some game and found it was that
WindowEyes had some kind of threading problem where it locks up if a 
program

locks up and he had to set some priority for either the game or WindowEyes
to get around this if I remember.
I don't know how to set the WindowEyes threading priority nor the Internet
threading priority to test this whether this might at least get the dialog
to read  - any ideas?

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Elizabeth via Talk]

Window-eyes 8.4 behaves the same way here. If Internet Explorer and 
Window-eyes stops speaking, I can start NVDA and it will say Internet 
Explorer has stopped responding." I then close Internet Explorer and 
Window-eyes usually starts speaking again.
But no announcements warn me of this behavior in Window-eyes itself. 
Window-eyes stays silent about Internet Explorer stopping. NVDA does 
not. It instead lets me know what is going on.


Elizabeth
At 06:24 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:

WE does not usually read that dialog, just locks up.
I just ran through some web pages that lock up allot with WindowEyes using
JAWS.
After navigating through a few of them JAWS reported that Internet Explorer
was not responding and had the buttons to close the program.
WindowEyes will just lock up and you have to use narrator or another screen
reader to close, even to be aware of, that dialog.
I have seen WindowEyes lock up like this in other programs as well although
not as often and it is likely that if a program has a problem WindowEyes
will lock up instead of continuing to work unlike other screen readers.
Someone had had a problem like this with some game and found it was that
WindowEyes had some kind of threading problem where it locks up if a program
locks up and he had to set some priority for either the game or WindowEyes
to get around this if I remember.
I don't know how to set the WindowEyes threading priority nor the Internet
threading priority to test this whether this might at least get the dialog
to read  - any ideas?

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RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: Yup, WE does not usually read that dialog, just locks up.
I just ran through some web pages that lock up allot with WindowEyes using
JAWS.
After navigating through a few of them JAWS reported that Internet Explorer
was not responding and had the buttons to close the program.
WindowEyes will just lock up and you have to use narrator or another screen
reader to close, even to be aware of, that dialog.
I have seen WindowEyes lock up like this in other programs as well although
not as often and it is likely that if a program has a problem WindowEyes
will lock up instead of continuing to work unlike other screen readers.
Someone had had a problem like this with some game and found it was that
WindowEyes had some kind of threading problem where it locks up if a program
locks up and he had to set some priority for either the game or WindowEyes
to get around this if I remember.
I don't know how to set the WindowEyes threading priority nor the Internet
threading priority to test this whether this might at least get the dialog
to read  - any ideas?
Rick USA


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Tony C via Talk]

I've also had the problem. I didn't know there was a dialog coming up 
telling me that IE wasn't responding. WE used to read this but for what ever 
reason does not any more. It wasn't until my sighted GF told me it was there 
that I knew Ie was not responding.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:35 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Hi:
I get allot of situations, especially in Internet Explorer, where WindowEyes
will stop speaking either for several seconds or entirely.
This happens very often.
Sometimes I fire up narrator and hear the program is not responding and
click the close button and windoweyes will come back.
If anyone else is experiencing these types of problems have you determined
if this is unique to WindowEyes or if it happens often with other screen
readers.
I noticed on e*trade windoweyes would not expand a item labeled Tax
Documents but JAWS did eexpand it so I could access the list of links to get
to my tax documents and it made me wonder if this new html5 stuff and how
the browsers handle it is causing WindowEyes problems and perhaps causing it
to try and navigate around looking for something it cant find and thus
causing delays and, in some cases, crashes when things get locked up.
I can run some tests using JAWS, havent done that yet, but don't have nor
understand how to use nvda correctly so thought I would ask if anyone else
has noticed these types of problems in WindowEyes and worked around them
with other screen readers to determine if it is unique to mysituation or if
this is a problem worth looking at trying to narrow down via testing and
getting some more specifics for the WE Staff if they are interested in our
test results.
Rick USA

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