Re: Thunderbird problem

[Mike via Talk]

Hello Larry


Thank you for your reply.  I found Thunderbird became more and more 
difficult to use after version 60.4.0 and so, I eventually went back to 
that version.  It works well with my 64 bit laptop apart from the 
editing problems I mentioned previously.  I agree WE is becoming less 
and less useful but I often find We works with somethings that other 
screen readers cannot cope with.  I am intending to keep it on my 
machines so long as it is useful.



Best wishes


Mike - G0VMG

Mike Gurney

On 30/10/2022 16:50, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Mike,


Although I sure hope that someone has a satisfactory solution to your 
issue, I'm afraid that WE is simply becoming less and less usable as 
time goes on.



As for me and Thunderbird, If I wish to simply read a message, I have 
to select the entire message with ctrl+a, and use the read to end 
combo ctrl+shift+r, but there is really no way to use the editor, all 
of this at least with the 64bit version. Chances are that if I had not 
chosen to upgrade in this way, Thunderbird would be more manageable. 
As it is, I have to move to either The Fish, or NVDA to make any 
significant use of Thunderbird.



Another way to read text in a message is to save to either a text or 
html file, but what a PITA.



Frankly, the thing tha t keeps me attached to WE is the Winamp 
scripts, and not least, WE's version of Eloquence. I really do not 
like the reading pace of Eloquence with JAWS, and increasingly NVDA. I 
will have to admit though, to using an illegal version of IBM 
Eloquence with NVDA, and can't make use of my Code Factory edition of 
same with either screen reader for some reason.



Anyway, that is only my two cents worth on the matter, and I'm quite 
sure that is just about all it is worth .



Have a great day,


Larry

On 10/30/2022 7:46 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone


Continuing the thread of email, I have a different issue.


For a couple of years now Thunderbird is proving almost impossible to 
edit or modify the text I am writing.  Writing continuously there 
isn't any difficulties.  However, if I need to cursor up to check 
what I have written, I then start to get duplicate lines. Usually, 
there is just one additional line but if I need to go up or down 
repeatedly, I will get more and more copies of the same line.



I don't think these extra lines are actually there but WE certainly 
keeps reading them.



Sometimes I have to resort to writing the text in notepad and then 
copying it across.  Since I moved to Windows 11 notepad is also 
becoming a problem.



With thanks


Mike.


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Re: Thunderbird problem

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Mike,


Although I sure hope that someone has a satisfactory solution to your 
issue, I'm afraid that WE is simply becoming less and less usable as 
time goes on.



As for me and Thunderbird, If I wish to simply read a message, I have to 
select the entire message with ctrl+a, and use the read to end combo 
ctrl+shift+r, but there is really no way to use the editor, all of this 
at least with the 64bit version. Chances are that if I had not chosen to 
upgrade in this way, Thunderbird would be more manageable. As it is, I 
have to move to either The Fish, or NVDA to make any significant use of 
Thunderbird.



Another way to read text in a message is to save to either a text or 
html file, but what a PITA.



Frankly, the thing tha t keeps me attached to WE is the Winamp scripts, 
and not least, WE's version of Eloquence. I really do not like the 
reading pace of Eloquence with JAWS, and increasingly NVDA. I will have 
to admit though, to using an illegal version of IBM Eloquence with NVDA, 
and can't make use of my Code Factory edition of same with either screen 
reader for some reason.



Anyway, that is only my two cents worth on the matter, and I'm quite 
sure that is just about all it is worth .



Have a great day,


Larry

On 10/30/2022 7:46 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone


Continuing the thread of email, I have a different issue.


For a couple of years now Thunderbird is proving almost impossible to 
edit or modify the text I am writing.  Writing continuously there 
isn't any difficulties.  However, if I need to cursor up to check what 
I have written, I then start to get duplicate lines. Usually, there is 
just one additional line but if I need to go up or down repeatedly, I 
will get more and more copies of the same line.



I don't think these extra lines are actually there but WE certainly 
keeps reading them.



Sometimes I have to resort to writing the text in notepad and then 
copying it across.  Since I moved to Windows 11 notepad is also 
becoming a problem.



With thanks


Mike.


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Thunderbird problem

[Mike via Talk]

Hello Everyone


Continuing the thread of email, I have a different issue.


For a couple of years now Thunderbird is proving almost impossible to 
edit or modify the text I am writing.  Writing continuously there isn't 
any difficulties.  However, if I need to cursor up to check what I have 
written, I then start to get duplicate lines.   Usually, there is just 
one additional line but if I need to go up or down repeatedly, I will 
get more and more copies of the same line.



I don't think these extra lines are actually there but WE certainly 
keeps reading them.



Sometimes I have to resort to writing the text in notepad and then 
copying it across.  Since I moved to Windows 11 notepad is also becoming 
a problem.



With thanks


Mike.

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have never seen DecTalk 32 sold by itself.  I only saw it come in Kurtweil 
and in window eyes as part of the program.  Pam.


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RE: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Hi pamela,

To say the truth I have the window-eyes with dectalk integrated but the dectalk 
I can't use it with other screen reader programs such as the NVDA.

For me dectalk was one of the best speech synthesizers ever made.

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On mine, I hear DecTalk.  But it depends.  On newer versions, they couldn't get 
a decTalk license, or something, so people who bought it towards the end of its 
life got vocalizer.  I don't know what that sounds like.  But if you had window 
eyes already and you just went to update it, you could still get DecTalk.  Pam.

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Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2


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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

On mine, I hear DecTalk.  But it depends.  On newer versions, they couldn't 
get a decTalk license, or something, so people who bought it towards the end 
of its life got vocalizer.  I don't know what that sounds like.  But if you 
had window eyes already and you just went to update it, you could still get 
DecTalk.  Pam.


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RE: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Dear pamela,

I'm michael  from Malta Europe, Please may I ask you from where I can buy the 
dectalk access32 software speech synthesizer if it is still available somewhere?
thanks

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Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it.

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
> eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
> they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
> had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as 
> the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the 
> first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of 
> those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
> To: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Which voice is the one you might hear on WE startup? It sounds like the 
synthesizer is speaking English with an accent.


On 1/10/2022 12:23 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it.

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as 
the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the 
first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of 
those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Ah yes Rick, what you say is so true. I wish everyone whose found 
comfort and satisfaction with a particular voice to be able to keep and 
maintain it. I just wish the people at FS would take seriously this 
pacing issue. I really can't believe that so many people can be 
satisfied with such unnatural verbal delivery.



I really don't wish to argue about this, because I, at least on this 
issue, know that my mind can never be changed, not out of stubbornness, 
but on the knowledge that most people do not speak like JAWS speaks or 
reads in natural conversation.



With that, I will wish everyone a safe and happy day ,


Larry



On 1/10/2022 8:58 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
I have had triple talk USB for manyh years, and I use it with wineyes 
all the time and for my money it pronounces every word correctly, and 
does well with punctuation.  Even though it does not have a human 
voice it is very easy to understand.  I do have deck talk usb too, but 
I do not like it because it sounds like it has way to much to drink.  
When I use JAWS I use Kloe for my voice.  She seems to be the clearest 
of all the voices with the exception of David.  Either way there are 
some good synths, and some really poor ones.  I guess it comes down to 
which one a  person prefers.

Regards Rick

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so 
they had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as 
good as the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is 
the first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one 
of those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it.

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as 
the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the 
first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of 
those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

I have had triple talk USB for manyh years, and I use it with wineyes 
all the time and for my money it pronounces every word correctly, and 
does well with punctuation.  Even though it does not have a human voice 
it is very easy to understand.  I do have deck talk usb too, but I do 
not like it because it sounds like it has way to much to drink.  When I 
use JAWS I use Kloe for my voice.  She seems to be the clearest of all 
the voices with the exception of David.  Either way there are some good 
synths, and some really poor ones.  I guess it comes down to which one a 
 person prefers.

Regards Rick

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as the 
external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the first 
synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of those evas 
things with dos in it.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than eloquence. 
It's even better if you have an external one; because when they made dectalk 
32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they had to cobble it 
together however they could, so it's not as good as the external, but it's 
still better than eloquence.  Artic is the first synthetic speech I had in 
my first computer, which was one of those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


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To: Nick Sarames via Talk
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I remember back over 30 years ago, when I was trying to put my first PC 
together, I thought I just had to have Dectalk, because that is what I 
heard when getting introduced to OCR stand alone products, such as 
Kurzweil and Arkenstone. When listening to the Kurzweil stand alone, the 
synth was Dectalk, while the Arkenstone was being demonstrated to me 
using Artic BusinessVision. I really hated that Artic speech, but due to 
financial constraints ended up with Artic anyway, and I actually learned 
to like it. Now, I don't know if I could ever return to Artic After all 
of these years (even if it were at all possible), but one thing for 
certain, I cannot stand Dectalk.




On 1/8/2022 12:04 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
Wow! I really like Eloquence, especially compared to (what is it) deck 
talk? Whatever

the WE default speech synthesizer is.
On 1/8/2022 11:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the 
thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not 
only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that 
if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it 
starts winding down like its batteries are dying.  After all these 
years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them!  Pam.


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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Pam, if you are reading email with Thunderbird, you are definitely using 
browse mode. As a matter of fact, when I go to reply to a message, I 
must turn off browse mode before I can begin composing the message.



Ah, Ive just gotta mention this little funny. When writing the word 
"composing," I mistakenly wrote the word "composting."



Now what I'm telling you about browse mode isn't compost. Try turning on 
Browse mode and see if that works. Some times the answers and solutions 
aren't that simple, but who knows, maybe it will work for you.



Now as for Eloquence, I'll have to agree with you about the descending 
pitch in those circumstances, but that isn't quite the deal breaker that 
the reading delivery is proving to be.



And BTW, this issue is not only evident with Eloquence with JFW, but all 
other synths included with the program as well.



I also don't hear the speech as in any way slurred, but if I did, I 
would also have a problem with it as well. Of course, most of this that 
we think we hear is indeed quite subjective, with the possible exception 
of my particular complaint .



Long live Eloquence, with all its faults,

Larry



On 1/8/2022 10:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the 
thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not 
only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that 
if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it 
starts winding down like its batteries are dying.  After all these 
years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them!  Pam.


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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Wow! I really like Eloquence, especially compared to (what is it) deck 
talk? Whatever

the WE default speech synthesizer is.
On 1/8/2022 11:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the thing 
I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that 
it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is 
no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding 
down like its batteries are dying.  After all these years, they have 
never fixed that. Shame on them!  Pam.


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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the thing I 
don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that it 
sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is no 
punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding down like 
its batteries are dying.  After all these years, they have never fixed that. 
Shame on them!  Pam.


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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2


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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

I agree Larry, WE has been my favorite screen reader since it came out. 
 I still use it as much as possible.

Regards Rick

On 1/7/2022 9:15 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big 
duh, but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in?



Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be 
tempted  to finally give up on WE altogether.



I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once 
great screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to 
completely submitting to the ways of the shark.



The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with 
WE has more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply 
doesn't allow enough of an appropriate pause between the end and 
beginnings of sentences. It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't 
tolerate from a human reader. I mean, if narrators/readers on commercial 
recordings, or in house so to speak were to read in such a manner, let's 
just say that they would fail the audition.



I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do 
quite a bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence 
to me is more human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but 
only because of the way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen 
to manipulate speech delivery in say all mode.



As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, 
which reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That 
version of Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed 
of  Window-Eyes's 41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most 
of the time.




I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else.


WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately 
going to have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the 
same conclusion. There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS 
and Narrator will, but on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but 
these are becoming les and less frequent as time goes on. Too bad.



Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to 
get into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, 
that we sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it.



On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in 
the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the 
top, and it was.  But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam.


-Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
To: Donald Roberts via Talk
Cc: Rick Jarvis
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Try n v d a.  I jump back and forrth between windoweyes and n v d a.  n 
v d a has some nice features, and it is free, although I donate a bit 
when I download a new copy.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2022, Larry Higgins via Talk 
wrote:


I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big duh, 
but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in?



Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be tempted  
to finally give up on WE altogether.



I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once great 
screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to completely 
submitting to the ways of the shark.



The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with WE has 
more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply doesn't allow 
enough of an appropriate pause between the end and beginnings of sentences. 
It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't tolerate from a human reader. I 
mean, if narrators/readers on commercial recordings, or in house so to speak 
were to read in such a manner, let's just say that they would fail the 
audition.



I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do quite a 
bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence to me is more 
human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but only because of the 
way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen to manipulate speech 
delivery in say all mode.



As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, which 
reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That version of 
Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed of  Window-Eyes's 
41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most of the time.




I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else.


WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately going to 
have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the same conclusion. 
There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS and Narrator will, but 
on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but these are becoming les and 
less frequent as time goes on. Too bad.



Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to get 
into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, that we 
sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it.



On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:


I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in
 the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top,
 and it was.  But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam.

 -Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
 To: Donald Roberts via Talk
 Cc: Rick Jarvis
 Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big 
duh, but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in?



Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be 
tempted  to finally give up on WE altogether.



I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once 
great screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to 
completely submitting to the ways of the shark.



The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with 
WE has more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply 
doesn't allow enough of an appropriate pause between the end and 
beginnings of sentences. It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't 
tolerate from a human reader. I mean, if narrators/readers on commercial 
recordings, or in house so to speak were to read in such a manner, let's 
just say that they would fail the audition.



I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do 
quite a bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence 
to me is more human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but 
only because of the way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen 
to manipulate speech delivery in say all mode.



As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, 
which reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That 
version of Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed 
of  Window-Eyes's 41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most 
of the time.




I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else.


WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately 
going to have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the 
same conclusion. There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS 
and Narrator will, but on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but 
these are becoming les and less frequent as time goes on. Too bad.



Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to 
get into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, 
that we sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it.



On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in 
the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the 
top, and it was.  But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam.


-Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
To: Donald Roberts via Talk
Cc: Rick Jarvis
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in the 
control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top, and it 
was.  But I still can't read the body of a message.  Pam.


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Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
To: Donald Roberts via Talk
Cc: Rick Jarvis
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Mike via Talk]

Hello


I have had the same problem.  I haven't upgraded TB but it seemed to 
started after an upgrade to Windows 10.



Mike

Mike Gurney

On 07/01/2022 01:44, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Well Bernie, I have a feeling that focus annoyance isn't one of those 
things that will go away any time soon. I mean, if others find that to 
be the pain that we do, you think that people would complain in 
droves, but apparently not.



I'm sure glad you got the message body issue worked out though. 
Hopefully I wont be running into anything  as serious as that with the 
bird round here.


Take care and stay safe,

Larry


On 1/6/2022 5:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
Hi Lary,  Yes, I have been having the same issue.  It is quite 
annoying.  I am not sure when this behavior began.  Also, near the 
end of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to 
get any new messages.  I think it might have something to do with 
changing longin procedures on my two email providers   I rolled back 
my system to the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB 
upgrade and voila all was well again except for the focus switching 
issue.  Bernie


On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have 
had to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is 
that Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the 
mail account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of 
mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found 
a way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, 
I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original 
issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to 
read everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began 
several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 
2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I 
can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W 
E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. 
I can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud 
Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which 
nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I 
wonder whether this could be the problem when attempting to read 
email using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking 
about, I would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to 
read email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well Bernie, I have a feeling that focus annoyance isn't one of those 
things that will go away any time soon. I mean, if others find that to 
be the pain that we do, you think that people would complain in droves, 
but apparently not.



I'm sure glad you got the message body issue worked out though. 
Hopefully I wont be running into anything  as serious as that with the 
bird round here.


Take care and stay safe,

Larry


On 1/6/2022 5:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
Hi Lary,  Yes, I have been having the same issue.  It is quite 
annoying.  I am not sure when this behavior began.  Also, near the end 
of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get 
any new messages.  I think it might have something to do with changing 
longin procedures on my two email providers   I rolled back my system 
to the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and 
voila all was well again except for the focus switching issue.  Bernie


On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had 
to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of 
mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found 
a way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, 
I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original 
issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to 
read everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began 
several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 
2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I 
can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W 
E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I 
can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud 
Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which 
nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder 
whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email 
using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I 
would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Lary,  Yes, I have been having the same issue.  It is quite 
annoying.  I am not sure when this behavior began.  Also, near the end 
of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get 
any new messages.  I think it might have something to do with changing 
longin procedures on my two email providers   I rolled back my system to 
the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and voila all 
was well again except for the focus switching issue.  Bernie


On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had 
to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of 
mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a 
way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I 
apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. 
Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to 
read everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began 
several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 
to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no 
longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with 
Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can 
read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud 
Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which 
nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder 
whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email 
using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I 
would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

Larry so far I have not encountered that problem.
Rick

On 1/6/2022 1:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to 
learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail 
boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a 
way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I 
apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. 
Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read 
everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several 
months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 
to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no 
longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with 
Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read 
the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton 
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be 
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this 
could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. 
If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate 
knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to 
learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail 
boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a 
way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I 
apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. 
Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read 
everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several 
months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 
to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no 
longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with 
Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read 
the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton 
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be 
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this 
could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. 
If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate 
knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rick Jarvis via Talk]

Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read 
everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although 
I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader 
of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see 
whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use 
Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I 
can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and 
subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton 
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be 
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could 
be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If 
anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing 
which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Thunderbird

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi,  Not sure whether there are many WE users still on this list but 
just in case, I have a question.  I am running WE 9.5.4. on Windows 10.  
I use Thunderbird as my email client.  All was going well until around 
the 27th of Nov.  then, It appears as though there was an update..  
After that, I was no longer receiving email messages on both my gmail 
and outlook acounts.  I have become a bit rusty on win 10 and as I 
looked around to try and figure what was going on, I couldn't get the 
messages.  So, since I had a pretty good idea of when trouble began, I 
decided to roll back my system.  I discovered a checkpoint on Nov. 26 
and after the roll back, all was well and messages poured in.  Does 
anyone have an idea about what might be causing the issue and maybe how 
to fix it?  thanks for any help.  Bernie


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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Don,


Nice to hear from you again. Smile.

As far as the list of Window-Eyes apps to disable, it is interesting to note 
that, actually, on one of my computers, I did not need to disable any apps, 
whereas, on another, I did.

Also, I don’t think the fact that certain apps are running is the cause of your 
Thunderbird issue.

The simple fact is that I was not even able to get Window-Eyes to launch 
without throwing multiple errors unless the apps I mentioned were disabled.

The process of disabling apps couldn’t even be done at all unless I launched 
Window-Eyes without any apps starting up, and this is done by holding down the 
Shift key while launching it.


I tend to think that the problem you are having is that which Bernie on the 
list mentioned when responding to Carol‘s post, namely, the Thunderbird set 
file is not loading and therefore the screen information presented by 
Thunderbird is not accessible.

Bernie’s suggestion of the steps to get the Thunderbird set file to load should 
work, but, if it doesn’t, then the set file which you would need to load 
manually is TBEnhanced, as memory serves.  Once you load that set file, you 
would need to press Control-S in order to save the association of this set file 
with the application window in question; this association would be to the main 
Thunderbird application window.

At any rate, here is the list I had mentioned some time ago:


Window eyes apps to disable


Eloquence Fix

Hotspot

JAWS quick key

WEDiag

Windows Enhanced


Good luck, and I hope this helps,


Rod


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From: Talk  on 
behalf of Donald Roberts via Talk 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:08 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts
Subject: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although
I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago.

Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader
of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see
whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use
Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I
can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and
subject fields but not the message body.

Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could
be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If
anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing
which W E apps need to be disabled.

I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read
email using W E.

Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Donald Roberts via Talk]

I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. Although 
I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen reader 
of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 to see 
whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no longer use 
Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with Thunderbird, I 
can no longer read the body of any message. I can read the to, from, and 
subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton 
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be 
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this could 
be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. If 
anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate knowing 
which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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RE: W E and Thunderbird

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Try to switch from html view to text view messages in thunderbird it should 
work better with window eyes obviously you'll loose the hyperlinks capability 
unless you don't switch to jaws or nvda
Have a nice day
michael

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If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as Thunderbird 
78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I should also mention 
that I am running probably the latest version of Windows 10 on an HP elite book 
840.

I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, but I just 
installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new laptop.

It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern in 
addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using Jaws 2021. At 
any rate what happens is that the message lists work fine, but when I open an 
individual message, I see normal headers and all links, absolutely no message 
body. On one occasion when using W E and attempting to read a TB message, I saw 
something which said something like "document to saved files" or something 
similar. The intermittent problems are of course the most difficult to 
diagnose. When I checked in Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of 
course that wave file of the birds loaded as well.

Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated previously, 
I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out what little hair I have 
left.

A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with recent 
versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this instance because 
Jaws also occasionally shows this issue.
At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other viable email 
option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 is in my opinion a bad 
joke. W E can read the message list and the reading pain, but pressing enter 
accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws with mail, I can read the entire message, 
but Jaws won't announce the sender's name unless I have misconfigured it.


Ideas please.

Thanks.

Don Roberts

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Re: W E and Thunderbird

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

One thing you might take notice of is that WE will not read the options 
dialog box. I loaded NVDA at the same time, and NVDA read the options 
flawlessly, I guess, but WE would definitely not read them at all.





On 7/18/2021 5:24 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
you may re-load t-bird so WE can get a focus, I've had some success 
that way.


Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

cur...@calweb.com

On 7/18/2021 1:17 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as 
Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I 
should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of 
Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840.


I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, 
but I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new 
laptop.


It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern 
in addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using 
Jaws 2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work 
fine, but when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and 
all links, absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E 
and attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said 
something like "document to saved files" or something similar. The 
intermittent problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. 
When I checked in Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of 
course that wave file of the birds loaded as well.


Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated 
previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out 
what little hair I have left.


A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with 
recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this 
instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue.
At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other 
viable email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 
is in my opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the 
reading pain, but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws 
with mail, I can read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the 
sender's name unless I have misconfigured it.



Ideas please.

Thanks.

Don Roberts

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Re: W E and Thunderbird

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

you may re-load t-bird so WE can get a focus, I've had some success that 
way.


Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

cur...@calweb.com

On 7/18/2021 1:17 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as 
Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I 
should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of 
Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840.


I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, but 
I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new laptop.


It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern in 
addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using Jaws 
2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work fine, but 
when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and all links, 
absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E and 
attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said something 
like "document to saved files" or something similar. The intermittent 
problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. When I checked in 
Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of course that wave file of 
the birds loaded as well.


Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated 
previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out what 
little hair I have left.


A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with 
recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this 
instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue.
At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other viable 
email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 is in my 
opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the reading pain, 
but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws with mail, I can 
read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the sender's name 
unless I have misconfigured it.



Ideas please.

Thanks.

Don Roberts

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W E and Thunderbird

[Donald Roberts via Talk]

If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as 
Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I 
should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of 
Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840.


I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, but 
I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new laptop.


It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern in 
addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using Jaws 
2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work fine, but 
when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and all links, 
absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E and 
attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said something 
like "document to saved files" or something similar. The intermittent 
problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. When I checked in 
Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of course that wave file of 
the birds loaded as well.


Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated 
previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out what 
little hair I have left.


A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with 
recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this 
instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue.
At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other viable 
email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 is in my 
opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the reading pain, 
but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws with mail, I can 
read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the sender's name 
unless I have misconfigured it.



Ideas please.

Thanks.

Don Roberts

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Re: Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

Am aware of the issues when comes to composing emails. Why I - near the 
end of my initial message stated that it will need some further 
investigation. Wonder if there might be some kind of an extension, or 
rather perhaps a Theme, for Thunderbird that will bring us closer to a 
solution. Themes, control things like color schemes, font sizes and so 
on. To what extent that is where the bird has its nest, I am not sure, 
but it might be worth playing a bit around.


For those who want a toy store to explore, Thunderbird has their own 
central for releasing all these kinds of extra gadgets for the software. 
Something I for one, was not aware of up till very recently.

The web address is:

     .thunderbird.net

Here you will find extensions, plug-ins, and themes. You will find 
different cattegories, depending of what set of main features you are 
looking for. Unfortunately, it seems to me, not all of he stuff offered 
up there, is compatible with newer versions of Thunderbird. Meaning that 
you might end up finding a promising AddOn, download and install it, 
only to find that it won't start when you fire up Thunderbird. 
Uninstall, and better luck with your next attempt in searching through 
the hundreds of alternatives offered to you on their webpage.


Again, it might be there would be found some nifty little thing within 
the settings of Thunderbird. Never really fooled with it, but if 
Thunderbird is made up on the same basis as its sister program Firefox, 
you've got a whole story in scrolling throuh, and messing around with, 
an untold number of settings, which you might not always have a clue 
what consequences will be.


For the sake of ease, I tried doing some searching on the net, hoping 
that there would be some known tweak to make Thunderbird more accessible 
for screen readers. Well, your choice of search engine might be more 
informative than mine. All I found so far, only lists Thunderbird as one 
of the most accessible Email clients for screen reader users. Amongst 
the top-ten. Sure, I guess we all knew that much, yet what we here are 
looking for, would be how to make it really accessible; not just 90 
percent, kind of. Try a similar search for Firefox, and see how far you 
get.


Sum it all up, unless someone has stumbled on a solution, I don't know 
other than we are seeing WinEyes slowly loosing Terrain in the computing 
landscape of the blind. All knew it would happen, but meanwhile, the 
best solution for your composing issues that I could come up with, is to 
write and edit your messages in something like Notepad, and then 
copy-paste the final result into the composition screen of Thunderbird, 
before you hit the Send-button. At least, that's what has worked for me, 
so far. not a real solution, but you get the job done.



David

On 11/10/2019 11:36 PM, Nick Sarames wrote:
> I wish your advice could be beneficial to me, but my issue is more basic
> and probably won't be solved until I finally upgrade to Windows-10. I
> like Thunderbird a lot. I don't receive a lot of e-mails, so it's easy
> for me to scroll down and find e-mails without keyboard shortcuts. My
> only issue is the same one I've had for months - when I'm composing an
> e-mail, I can only read what I wrote upon pressing the backspace key.
> Surely you can see how that could be an inconvenience (smile). But maybe
> I'll try your solution, maybe, somehow, it will solve other problems.
>
> On 11/10/2019 3:18 PM, David via Talk wrote:
>> Been playing a bit around, and thought to just share one tiny experience
>> with you all.
>>
>>
>> A good while ago, Thunderbird had an update, which included some
>> Calendar functionality. If you were in the list of mails, and started to
>> tab your way on the screen, you ended up with a load of "empty spots".
>> That is, you press the tab-key, and WinEyes reports silence. Going to
>> the View-menu, by Alt-V, you could see an entry named Calendar, usually
>> reported to be grayed out, so you could not really do much about it.
>> Further, you had an entry named "today", and even when you enter this
>> submenu, and make sure it is turned off, it still seems to be in your
>> way somehow, on the main screen.
>>
>>
>> A day or two ago, I decided to explore the features of plugins and
>> extensions for Thunderbird; which in effect, is much what Apps have been
>> for WinEyes. They can extend, or expand the functionality of the
>> program. Or, they could get very much in our way. Smile.
>>
>>
>> I realized, that Thunderbird - by its own mind - have decided to install
>> such a thing on my computer. Likely, this is something that
>> automatically comes bundled with newer versions of the software, and
>> thereby gets installed without the user's agreeing through the upgrade
>> pro

Re: Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I wish your advice could be beneficial to me, but my issue is more basic 
and probably won't be solved until I finally upgrade to Windows-10. I 
like Thunderbird a lot. I don't receive a lot of e-mails, so it's easy 
for me to scroll down and find e-mails without keyboard shortcuts. My 
only issue is the same one I've had for months - when I'm composing an 
e-mail, I can only read what I wrote upon pressing the backspace key. 
Surely you can see how that could be an inconvenience (smile). But maybe 
I'll try your solution, maybe, somehow, it will solve other problems.

On 11/10/2019 3:18 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> Been playing a bit around, and thought to just share one tiny experience
> with you all.
> 
> 
> A good while ago, Thunderbird had an update, which included some
> Calendar functionality. If you were in the list of mails, and started to
> tab your way on the screen, you ended up with a load of "empty spots".
> That is, you press the tab-key, and WinEyes reports silence. Going to
> the View-menu, by Alt-V, you could see an entry named Calendar, usually
> reported to be grayed out, so you could not really do much about it.
> Further, you had an entry named "today", and even when you enter this
> submenu, and make sure it is turned off, it still seems to be in your
> way somehow, on the main screen.
> 
> 
> A day or two ago, I decided to explore the features of plugins and
> extensions for Thunderbird; which in effect, is much what Apps have been
> for WinEyes. They can extend, or expand the functionality of the
> program. Or, they could get very much in our way. Smile.
> 
> 
> I realized, that Thunderbird - by its own mind - have decided to install
> such a thing on my computer. Likely, this is something that
> automatically comes bundled with newer versions of the software, and
> thereby gets installed without the user's agreeing through the upgrade
> process. Happily, this kind of extra blah-blah can be removed, and I
> will in short terms show you how.
> 
> 
> 1. In the main screen of Thunderbird, hit Alt-T, to get to the Tools menu.
> 
> 2. Arrow down a couple of times, till you get to the AddOn manager, and
> hit Enter.
> 
> 3. You end up in a screen, holding a couple of links. Tab once or twice,
> to land on one of them. Turn off Browse Mode, with Ctrl-Shift-A.
> 
> 4. The screen has several tabs. To move around between them, maybe the
> best way is to tab your way around the screen, til you land on the
> tab-header line, where you can use your arrows, to choose the desired one.
> 
> 5. What you are looking for now, is the extension section of the screen.
> Once you have focused that one, press the tab key till you land on the
> list of installed extensions.
> 
> 6. You are specially interested in an extension named "Lightening".
> Arrow your way down the list, till you have focused that one.
> 
> 7. You've got two choices here. Either tab till you land on REMOVE, or
> hit the App-key (Shift-F10), and arrow till you get to REMOVE; then hit
> Enter.
> 
> 8. You will hear the screen reader telling you that the AddOn will be
> removed upon restart. So, Hit Ctrl-F4, to make sure to close the AddOn
> Manager.
> 
> 9. Close Thunderbird altogether, by hitting Alt-F4, and then upon
> waiting for a scond or two, restart your Email program.
> 
> 
> When restarted, you will find that Thunderbird's main screen, will
> behave a little more like in the "old days". Going to the View menu,
> both the "Today" and "Calendar" entries, will have disappeared
> altogether. And if you use your Tab-key in the main screen, you will no
> longer meet any silent spots. At least one issue has been removed from
> your planet. Smile.
> 
> 
> Now, if we only could have founde a way of setting up Thunderbird in
> such a way that it will let us edit our outgoing messages, and specially
> so our replying to a message, we could actually have seen Thunderbird
> again becoming a fully accessible piece of software; even for WinEyes
> users. Not sure if such a tweak is possible, but my guess is that a
> theme, or some adjustment in the very settings of the software will be a
> couple of places to look. If anyone have ideas, please share.
> 
> 
> Hope this might help some of you.
> 
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Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

Been playing a bit around, and thought to just share one tiny experience 
with you all.


A good while ago, Thunderbird had an update, which included some 
Calendar functionality. If you were in the list of mails, and started to 
tab your way on the screen, you ended up with a load of "empty spots". 
That is, you press the tab-key, and WinEyes reports silence. Going to 
the View-menu, by Alt-V, you could see an entry named Calendar, usually 
reported to be grayed out, so you could not really do much about it. 
Further, you had an entry named "today", and even when you enter this 
submenu, and make sure it is turned off, it still seems to be in your 
way somehow, on the main screen.


A day or two ago, I decided to explore the features of plugins and 
extensions for Thunderbird; which in effect, is much what Apps have been 
for WinEyes. They can extend, or expand the functionality of the 
program. Or, they could get very much in our way. Smile.


I realized, that Thunderbird - by its own mind - have decided to install 
such a thing on my computer. Likely, this is something that 
automatically comes bundled with newer versions of the software, and 
thereby gets installed without the user's agreeing through the upgrade 
process. Happily, this kind of extra blah-blah can be removed, and I 
will in short terms show you how.


1. In the main screen of Thunderbird, hit Alt-T, to get to the Tools menu.

2. Arrow down a couple of times, till you get to the AddOn manager, and 
hit Enter.

3. You end up in a screen, holding a couple of links. Tab once or twice, 
to land on one of them. Turn off Browse Mode, with Ctrl-Shift-A.

4. The screen has several tabs. To move around between them, maybe the 
best way is to tab your way around the screen, til you land on the 
tab-header line, where you can use your arrows, to choose the desired one.

5. What you are looking for now, is the extension section of the screen. 
Once you have focused that one, press the tab key till you land on the 
list of installed extensions.

6. You are specially interested in an extension named "Lightening". 
Arrow your way down the list, till you have focused that one.

7. You've got two choices here. Either tab till you land on REMOVE, or 
hit the App-key (Shift-F10), and arrow till you get to REMOVE; then hit 
Enter.

8. You will hear the screen reader telling you that the AddOn will be 
removed upon restart. So, Hit Ctrl-F4, to make sure to close the AddOn 
Manager.

9. Close Thunderbird altogether, by hitting Alt-F4, and then upon 
waiting for a scond or two, restart your Email program.


When restarted, you will find that Thunderbird's main screen, will 
behave a little more like in the "old days". Going to the View menu, 
both the "Today" and "Calendar" entries, will have disappeared 
altogether. And if you use your Tab-key in the main screen, you will no 
longer meet any silent spots. At least one issue has been removed from 
your planet. Smile.


Now, if we only could have founde a way of setting up Thunderbird in 
such a way that it will let us edit our outgoing messages, and specially 
so our replying to a message, we could actually have seen Thunderbird 
again becoming a fully accessible piece of software; even for WinEyes 
users. Not sure if such a tweak is possible, but my guess is that a 
theme, or some adjustment in the very settings of the software will be a 
couple of places to look. If anyone have ideas, please share.


Hope this might help some of you.


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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, On some occasions I have witnessed TB repeating as I arrowed down 
the list in the inbox and I have also seen it repeat the subjects.  
However, at this time as I write, I am experiencing no such behavior 
even in the subject as you suggested.  For what it is worth, I would 
recommend that when folks experience unusual behavior they should check 
which setfile is loaded.  I have experienced times when I was using TB, 
the proper setfile was not loaded.

On 1/29/2019 10:35 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> If I understand the original thread correctly, Mike and Norene were 
> talking about items repeating when cursoring up and down within a 
> mailbox list.
> The subject being repeated when opening a message is universal because 
> Thunderbird is firing that event multiple times. It happens in NVDA as 
> well.
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 1/29/2019 4:17 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
>> aws does the same thing when i open an email jaws will repeat the 
>> subject line 2 or 3 times.
>>
>> cheeers Michael.
>>
>> On 29/01/2019 12:30 pm, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> Here's a couple things to try.
>>> First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
>>> default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like 
>>> twenty to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging 
>>> it down to the lowest number that will work.
>>> If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings 
>>> and tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.
>>> Hth,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hello Norene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike.
>>>>
>>>> On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
>>>>> For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same 
>>>>> trouble. You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had 
>>>>> time to dig into it as yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Norene
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
>>>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>>>> Cc: Mike
>>>>> Subject: Thunderbird repeating
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Everyone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird. Sometimes it
>>>>> will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three 
>>>>> times.
>>>>> This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails 
>>>>> because it
>>>>> takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
>>>>> why this might be happening?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>
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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

If I understand the original thread correctly, Mike and Norene were 
talking about items repeating when cursoring up and down within a 
mailbox list.
The subject being repeated when opening a message is universal because 
Thunderbird is firing that event multiple times. It happens in NVDA as well.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/29/2019 4:17 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
aws does the same thing when i open an email jaws will repeat the 
subject line 2 or 3 times.


cheeers Michael.

On 29/01/2019 12:30 pm, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Here's a couple things to try.
First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like twenty 
to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging it down 
to the lowest number that will work.
If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings and 
tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Norene


I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


Mike.

On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble. 
You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig 
into it as yet.


Norene



-Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird. Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails 
because it

takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
why this might be happening?


With thanks in advance


Mike.

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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Michael via Talk]

aws does the same thing when i open an email jaws will repeat the 
subject line 2 or 3 times.


cheeers Michael.

On 29/01/2019 12:30 pm, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Here's a couple things to try.
First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like twenty 
to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging it down 
to the lowest number that will work.
If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings and 
tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Norene


I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


Mike.

On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble. 
You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig 
into it as yet.


Norene



-Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird. Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails 
because it

takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
why this might be happening?


With thanks in advance


Mike.

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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Here's a couple things to try.
First, go into General, Other, and turn the trigger delay up. The 
default setting is two. Try turning it way up to something like twenty 
to see if it fixes the problem. If it does, then keep nudging it down to 
the lowest number that will work.
If that doesn't work go back into the same General, Other settings and 
tab down to Allow auto-redraw. If it's on try turning it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/28/2019 2:11 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Norene


I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


Mike.

On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble. 
You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig 
into it as yet.


Norene



-Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird.  Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails because it
takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
why this might be happening?


With thanks in advance


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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Mike via Talk]

Hello Norene


I have just realized it is going to same thin wiht Amazon pages.


Mike.

On 28/01/2019 01:46, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble.  
You are right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig 
into it as yet.


Norene



-Original Message- From: Mike via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird.  Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails because it
takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
why this might be happening?


With thanks in advance


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Re: Thunderbird repeating

[Norene Trappa via Talk]

For what it's worth, I use MS outlook and iI have the same trouble.  You are 
right, it does slow things down.  I have not had time to dig into it as yet.


Norene



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From: Mike via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 1:57 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Mike
Subject: Thunderbird repeating

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird.  Sometimes it
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails because it
takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea
why this might be happening?


With thanks in advance


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Thunderbird repeating

[Mike via Talk]

Hello Everyone


Recently, WE is repeating email labels in Thunderbird.  Sometimes it 
will repeat an email title twice but somethines it says it three times.  
This is very frustrating when cursoring down a list of emails because it 
takes much longer to work through the list. Does anyone have any idea 
why this might be happening?



With thanks in advance


Mike.

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Re: Latest Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

This is what I was talking about last week. I can't use the arrow keys 
while composing a message.. Same is true for replying.

On 12/3/2018 10:07 AM, Natalie via Talk wrote:
> This happens to me, too, but more with Reply.  Can't proofread my 
> messages as it goes somewherre else or doesn't speak.  I'm replying to 
> your message but don't want to use backspace or even, once, arrow keys. 
> Updated a few days ago. If I want to reply I usually open a new message.
> 
> 
> Natalie Johnson
> 
> On 12/3/2018 8:32 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>> Yesterday, Thunderbird wanted to update itself. I let it do so, hoping
>> to stay up-to-date with all security.
>>
>>
>> Everything has worked fine here, with Thunderbird and WE9.54.
>>
>>
>> After updating Thunderbird, I have done a real restart of my computer,
>> as I know this usually is necessary when updating things.
>>
>>
>> Now I can navigate the lists of mails in TB, and opening them, I can
>> read the content just fine.
>>
>>
>> But whenever I try to write a message, WE has big trouble. It echoes
>> well enough my typing, and if I use the backspace I will be told what
>> character is being deleted. But try using the Arrow-keys, to navigate
>> what you are writing; it simply does not work. If you Shift-Tab back to
>> edit the subject line, WE is silent as to what is in the subject field.
>> Tabbing back to the main body of the posting, all WE will say, is
>>
>>       About:Blank.
>>
>> Should you decide to try turning on Browse mode, WE lets you do so, and
>> then just dings at any keystroke - even the Tab-key. And just forget to
>> turn off browse mode again, you are told that Browse mode is not 
>> available.
>>
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Is this the end for newer versions of the mailing program - just as well
>> as we have seen with the newest versions of the Firefox browser? If so,
>> is there any place to download the latest working version of
>> Thunderbird? Or, is it my computer that is all mixed up? Anyone else
>> seeing these behaviors?
>>
>>
>> I managed to write - and edit my postings - by help of NVDA. So
>> apparently, that screen reader keeps up with Mozilla's ever ongoing
>> eagerness of changing layout. Have not yet tried Jaws, so don't know if
>> any of the above will apply.
>>
>>
>> thanks for any feaedback.
>>
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Re: Latest Thunderbird

[Natalie via Talk]

This happens to me, too, but more with Reply.  Can't proofread my 
messages as it goes somewherre else or doesn't speak.  I'm replying to 
your message but don't want to use backspace or even, once, arrow keys.  
Updated a few days ago. If I want to reply I usually open a new message.



Natalie Johnson

On 12/3/2018 8:32 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Yesterday, Thunderbird wanted to update itself. I let it do so, hoping
to stay up-to-date with all security.


Everything has worked fine here, with Thunderbird and WE9.54.


After updating Thunderbird, I have done a real restart of my computer,
as I know this usually is necessary when updating things.


Now I can navigate the lists of mails in TB, and opening them, I can
read the content just fine.


But whenever I try to write a message, WE has big trouble. It echoes
well enough my typing, and if I use the backspace I will be told what
character is being deleted. But try using the Arrow-keys, to navigate
what you are writing; it simply does not work. If you Shift-Tab back to
edit the subject line, WE is silent as to what is in the subject field.
Tabbing back to the main body of the posting, all WE will say, is

      About:Blank.

Should you decide to try turning on Browse mode, WE lets you do so, and
then just dings at any keystroke - even the Tab-key. And just forget to
turn off browse mode again, you are told that Browse mode is not available.


Listers,

Is this the end for newer versions of the mailing program - just as well
as we have seen with the newest versions of the Firefox browser? If so,
is there any place to download the latest working version of
Thunderbird? Or, is it my computer that is all mixed up? Anyone else
seeing these behaviors?


I managed to write - and edit my postings - by help of NVDA. So
apparently, that screen reader keeps up with Mozilla's ever ongoing
eagerness of changing layout. Have not yet tried Jaws, so don't know if
any of the above will apply.


thanks for any feaedback.

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Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

There could be a parent window not maximized before you do the child window. 

Curtis Delzer 
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On Nov 28, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk 
 wrote:

Another keystroke to maximize is Windows up arrow.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:11 AM
To: Michael via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

Of course, after I pressed alt-space, I arrowed down to maximize, and it said 
maximize disabled. But I hit enter anyway, we'll see.

> On 11/28/2018 4:46 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
> make sure the window is maxamized.
> 
>> On 28/11/18 8:41 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks, so what am I doing wrong? I can't read the e-mail I am 
>> composing, at least not when I use arrow keys.
>> 
>>> On 11/28/2018 4:36 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
>>> not a problem.
>>> 
>>> cheers Micael.I WAS ABLE TO TYPE AND EMAIL IN THUNDER BIRD WITH We
>>> 
>>>> On 28/11/18 7:36 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>> But I am still having difficulty reading my e-mail while composing it.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2018 3:34 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Just as an adendum, I restarted my computer, and that has helped 
>>>>> with many of my issues.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/28/2018 3:24 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't want to clutter this list (too much), so if someone who 
>>>>>> is knowledgeable about Thunderbird, can e-mail me off list, I 
>>>>>> would appreciate that. I just gave permission for Thunderbird to 
>>>>>> give me updates. As a result, WE is less compatible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And as I write this, I can't use the arrow keys to check what I 
>>>>>> wrote.
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RE: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Another keystroke to maximize is Windows up arrow.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:11 AM
To: Michael via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

Of course, after I pressed alt-space, I arrowed down to maximize, and it said 
maximize disabled. But I hit enter anyway, we'll see.

On 11/28/2018 4:46 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
> make sure the window is maxamized.
> 
> On 28/11/18 8:41 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks, so what am I doing wrong? I can't read the e-mail I am 
>> composing, at least not when I use arrow keys.
>>
>> On 11/28/2018 4:36 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
>>> not a problem.
>>>
>>> cheers Micael.I WAS ABLE TO TYPE AND EMAIL IN THUNDER BIRD WITH We
>>>
>>> On 28/11/18 7:36 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>> But I am still having difficulty reading my e-mail while composing it.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/28/2018 3:34 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Just as an adendum, I restarted my computer, and that has helped 
>>>>> with many of my issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/2018 3:24 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to clutter this list (too much), so if someone who 
>>>>>> is knowledgeable about Thunderbird, can e-mail me off list, I 
>>>>>> would appreciate that. I just gave permission for Thunderbird to 
>>>>>> give me updates. As a result, WE is less compatible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as I write this, I can't use the arrow keys to check what I 
>>>>>> wrote.
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Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Of course, after I pressed alt-space, I arrowed down to maximize, and it 
said maximize disabled. But I hit enter anyway, we'll see.

On 11/28/2018 4:46 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
> make sure the window is maxamized.
> 
> On 28/11/18 8:41 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks, so what am I doing wrong? I can't read the e-mail I am
>> composing, at least not when I use arrow keys.
>>
>> On 11/28/2018 4:36 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
>>> not a problem.
>>>
>>> cheers Micael.I WAS ABLE TO TYPE AND EMAIL IN THUNDER BIRD WITH We
>>>
>>> On 28/11/18 7:36 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>> But I am still having difficulty reading my e-mail while composing it.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/28/2018 3:34 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Just as an adendum, I restarted my computer, and that has helped with
>>>>> many of my issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/2018 3:24 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>
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Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Michael via Talk]

make sure the window is maxamized.

On 28/11/18 8:41 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Thanks, so what am I doing wrong? I can't read the e-mail I am
composing, at least not when I use arrow keys.

On 11/28/2018 4:36 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:

not a problem.

cheers Micael.I WAS ABLE TO TYPE AND EMAIL IN THUNDER BIRD WITH We

On 28/11/18 7:36 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

But I am still having difficulty reading my e-mail while composing it.

On 11/28/2018 3:34 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Just as an adendum, I restarted my computer, and that has helped with
many of my issues.

On 11/28/2018 3:24 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hello:

I don't want to clutter this list (too much), so if someone who is
knowledgeable about Thunderbird, can e-mail me off list, I would
appreciate that. I just gave permission for Thunderbird to give me
updates. As a result, WE is less compatible.

And as I write this, I can't use the arrow keys to check what I wrote.
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Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Michael via Talk]

not a problem.

cheers Micael.I WAS ABLE TO TYPE AND EMAIL IN THUNDER BIRD WITH We

On 28/11/18 7:36 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

But I am still having difficulty reading my e-mail while composing it.

On 11/28/2018 3:34 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Just as an adendum, I restarted my computer, and that has helped with
many of my issues.

On 11/28/2018 3:24 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Hello:

I don't want to clutter this list (too much), so if someone who is
knowledgeable about Thunderbird, can e-mail me off list, I would
appreciate that. I just gave permission for Thunderbird to give me
updates. As a result, WE is less compatible.

And as I write this, I can't use the arrow keys to check what I wrote.
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Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

But I am still having difficulty reading my e-mail while composing it.

On 11/28/2018 3:34 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> Just as an adendum, I restarted my computer, and that has helped with
> many of my issues.
> 
> On 11/28/2018 3:24 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> I don't want to clutter this list (too much), so if someone who is
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Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Just as an adendum, I restarted my computer, and that has helped with 
many of my issues.

On 11/28/2018 3:24 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> I don't want to clutter this list (too much), so if someone who is
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Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Hello:

I don't want to clutter this list (too much), so if someone who is 
knowledgeable about Thunderbird, can e-mail me off list, I would 
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Re: A new issue with Thunderbird

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Thanks Loy, that did it.


On 6/7/2018 12:15 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

Go to view, then layout, there you can check or unchec message pane.
   - Original Message -
   From: Tom Kingston via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Tom Kingston
   Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 1:10 PM
   Subject: Re: A new issue with Thunderbird



   It’s in the View menu. I’m on my iPad so I can’t check. I think it’s F8 show 
preview pane.
   Hth,
   Tom

   Dropped from my iDrone

   > On Jun 7, 2018, at 11:32 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
 wrote:
   >
   > OK guys, this should be pretty easy to solve, but for the life of me I can't 
figure it out .
   >
   >
   > For some reason, Thunderbird has started showing a message pane every time 
I move to a message in a mail box. I probably wouldn't have noticed this right off 
the bat if I didn't get these messages about T-Bird preventing remote content, 
which comes up far more than I would like.
   >
   >
   > How do you stop this pane from opening up? I'm not sure if I've ever had 
this issue before.
   >
   >
   > I had an issue a while back where the answer was to press F-11, but that 
doesn't do it for me this time.
   >
   >
   > Come to think of it, it seems that at that time I was reminded about 
malware or something, but that was a while ago.  Any help with this would really 
be appreciated.
   >
   >
   > Thanks,
   >
   >
   > Larry
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Re: A new issue with Thunderbird

[Loy Green via Talk]

Go to view, then layout, there you can check or unchec message pane.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Kingston via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Tom Kingston 
  Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: A new issue with Thunderbird



  It’s in the View menu. I’m on my iPad so I can’t check. I think it’s F8 show 
preview pane.
  Hth,
  Tom

  Dropped from my iDrone

  > On Jun 7, 2018, at 11:32 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
 wrote:
  > 
  > OK guys, this should be pretty easy to solve, but for the life of me I 
can't figure it out .
  > 
  > 
  > For some reason, Thunderbird has started showing a message pane every time 
I move to a message in a mail box. I probably wouldn't have noticed this right 
off the bat if I didn't get these messages about T-Bird preventing remote 
content, which comes up far more than I would like.
  > 
  > 
  > How do you stop this pane from opening up? I'm not sure if I've ever had 
this issue before.
  > 
  > 
  > I had an issue a while back where the answer was to press F-11, but that 
doesn't do it for me this time.
  > 
  > 
  > Come to think of it, it seems that at that time I was reminded about 
malware or something, but that was a while ago.  Any help with this would 
really be appreciated.
  > 
  > 
  > Thanks,
  > 
  > 
  > Larry
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Re: A new issue with Thunderbird

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

It’s in the View menu. I’m on my iPad so I can’t check. I think it’s F8 show 
preview pane.
Hth,
Tom

Dropped from my iDrone

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 11:32 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK guys, this should be pretty easy to solve, but for the life of me I can't 
> figure it out .
> 
> 
> For some reason, Thunderbird has started showing a message pane every time I 
> move to a message in a mail box. I probably wouldn't have noticed this right 
> off the bat if I didn't get these messages about T-Bird preventing remote 
> content, which comes up far more than I would like.
> 
> 
> How do you stop this pane from opening up? I'm not sure if I've ever had this 
> issue before.
> 
> 
> I had an issue a while back where the answer was to press F-11, but that 
> doesn't do it for me this time.
> 
> 
> Come to think of it, it seems that at that time I was reminded about malware 
> or something, but that was a while ago.  Any help with this would really be 
> appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Larry
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A new issue with Thunderbird

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

OK guys, this should be pretty easy to solve, but for the life of me I 
can't figure it out .



For some reason, Thunderbird has started showing a message pane every 
time I move to a message in a mail box. I probably wouldn't have noticed 
this right off the bat if I didn't get these messages about T-Bird 
preventing remote content, which comes up far more than I would like.



How do you stop this pane from opening up? I'm not sure if I've ever had 
this issue before.



I had an issue a while back where the answer was to press F-11, but that 
doesn't do it for me this time.



Come to think of it, it seems that at that time I was reminded about 
malware or something, but that was a while ago.  Any help with this 
would really be appreciated.



Thanks,


Larry

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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Try Alt-V View, L Layout, and arrow down to Folder Pane. If it's not 
checked hit enter to check it.

Hth,
Tom


On 4/26/2018 12:17 PM, L Urie via Talk wrote:
Right, that's where I expected to find it; but it's not there. That's 
what has me puzzled.



Lee



On 2018-04-26 10:55 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
From within the inbox Shift-Tab to go to the folders tree. You should 
land on inbox. When I arrow down from there I go through drafts, sent, 
archives, junk, trash, and then all folders I've created.

Hth,
Tom


On 4/26/2018 10:27 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
folder.  However, I can't find where it is.  If anyone can point me 
in the right direction, it would be much appreciated.


Thanks

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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Is it called trash?  I seem to have two trash folders, one contains all 
my deleted e-mails and the other seems to be empty.

On 4/26/2018 10:27 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
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> the right direction, it would be much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[L Urie via Talk]

Right, that's where I expected to find it; but it's not there. That's 
what has me puzzled.



Lee



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From within the inbox Shift-Tab to go to the folders tree. You should 
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Hth,
Tom


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Hi,

I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
folder.  However, I can't find where it is.  If anyone can point me 
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

From within the inbox Shift-Tab to go to the folders tree. You should 
land on inbox. When I arrow down from there I go through drafts, sent, 
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Hth,
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Hi,

I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
folder.  However, I can't find where it is.  If anyone can point me in 
the right direction, it would be much appreciated.


Thanks

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Thunderbird Question

[L Urie via Talk]

Hi,

I'm using the latest version of Thunderbird.  I want to check my junk 
folder.  However, I can't find where it is.  If anyone can point me in 
the right direction, it would be much appreciated.


Thanks

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Re: Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

probably I have lost something here. But please, what is your issue? You 
have got trouble with newest Thunderbird? OK, but could you tell us what 
exactly you are experiencing, it might be possible for us to advice 
where the trouble nests.


Currently running Thunderbird here, updated just about a week ago, and 
have seen no extra issues. So likely something has got messed up in your 
installation, but without knowing exactly what the issue is, it will be 
a guesswork to trace the trouble.


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> Thanks!
> It must be something in my room configuration. Thanks again
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes i am running the latest bird on 2 laptops.
>> Cheers Michael.
>>
>>> On 20 Jan 2018, at 12:24 am, Robert Martin via Talk 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>> Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
>>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I find thunder bird works fine hear.
>>>>
>>>> cheers Michael.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I 
>>>>> have
>>>>> used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At 
>>>>> home
>>>>> I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
>>>>> Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
>>>>> tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
>>>>> with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
>>>>> Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
>>>>> Suggestions will be helpful.
>>>>>
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Re: Thunderbird

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Thanks!
It must be something in my room configuration. Thanks again
Bob

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> On Jan 19, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
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> Yes i am running the latest bird on 2 laptops.
> Cheers Michael. 
> 
>> On 20 Jan 2018, at 12:24 am, Robert Martin via Talk 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks!!
>> Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
>> Bob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find thunder bird works fine hear.
>>> 
>>> cheers Michael.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
>>>> used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
>>>> I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
>>>> Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
>>>> tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
>>>> with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
>>>> Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
>>>> Suggestions will be helpful.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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Re: Thunderbird

[Michael Fridey via Talk]

Yes i am running the latest bird on 2 laptops.
Cheers Michael. 

> On 20 Jan 2018, at 12:24 am, Robert Martin via Talk 
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> 
> Thanks!!
> Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I find thunder bird works fine hear.
>> 
>> cheers Michael.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
>>> used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
>>> I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
>>> Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
>>> tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
>>> with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
>>> Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
>>> Suggestions will be helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: Thunderbird

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Thanks!!
Are you using the most recent version of Thunderbird?
Bob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Michael Fridey via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I find thunder bird works fine hear.
> 
> cheers Michael.
> 
> 
>> On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
>> used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
>> I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
>> Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
>> tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
>> with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
>> Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
>> Suggestions will be helpful.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Thunderbird

[Michael Fridey via Talk]

I find thunder bird works fine hear.

cheers Michael.


On 19/01/18 2:06 PM, Robert via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
Suggestions will be helpful.

Thanks,

Bob
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Thunderbird

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Hi,

I'm wondering if some kind of changes have occurred in Thunderbird.  I have
used it for some time to download Gmail and it worked adequately.   At home
I've switched to Outlook which works quite well but at work I have
Thudnerbird on my machine and it will take a while to get our university
tech folks to address my issues.   Does  have any idea what the problems
with thunderbird might be.  It just doesn't work at all as it previously.
Actually I also use JAWS and have basically the same problems.  Any ideas?
Suggestions will be helpful.

Thanks,

Bob 
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Re: Thunderbird help

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Thanks for the link.
Regards,
Tom


On 10/23/2017 9:59 PM, loy via Talk wrote:

Here is a link to your answer about contacts.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_address_books_between_profiles


On 10/23/2017 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Bernie,
I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.

C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
is?  thanks, Bernie

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Re: Thunderbird help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

HI, Thanks for that link.  A very good and short article.  I missed that 
one.Bernie


On 10/23/2017 9:59 PM, loy via Talk wrote:
> Here is a link to your answer about contacts.
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_address_books_between_profiles
>
>
> On 10/23/2017 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> Bernie,
>> I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
>> backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
>> need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
>> installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
>> Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.
>> C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
>> I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
>> Good luck,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
>>> reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore 
>>> all of
>>> my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
>>> the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
>>> is?  thanks, Bernie
>>>
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Re: Thunderbird help

[loy via Talk]

Here is a link to your answer about contacts.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_address_books_between_profiles


On 10/23/2017 9:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Bernie,
I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.

C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
is?  thanks, Bernie

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Re: Thunderbird help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Tom,  Thanks for your note.  I guess I should have thought to replace 
the entire TB folder but I didn't.  When I reinstalled TB after windows 
repair, both contact and local folders were missing.  I had previously 
used windows backup to save everything on my system.  I noted that after 
reinstalling TB, the identity had changed and I wasn't sure if there 
were an association between messages and the former identity.  But, 
using the backup, I restored the local folders and all local folders 
were in order. For the record, I di find the contacts file, it is 
history.mab and is in the TB folder.  So, again, thanks for your help. 
Bernie



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> Bernie,
> I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
> backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
> need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, 
> installed TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to 
> Thunderbird.bak just in case, and then replaced it with the backup.
> C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
> I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
> Good luck,
> Tom
>
>
> On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
>> reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
>> my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
>> the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
>> is?  thanks, Bernie
>>
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Re: Thunderbird help

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Bernie,
I don't know what file or files the contacts are in. But all I do is 
backup the following folder on a regular basis so I'll have it when I 
need it. For example, I just got a new system a few weeks ago, installed 
TB, renamed the default Thunderbird folder to Thunderbird.bak just in 
case, and then replaced it with the backup.

C:\Users\Tom Kingston\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
I've done this several times and it always works perfectly.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/23/2017 1:36 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to
reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of
my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find
the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that
is?  thanks, Bernie

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Thunderbird help

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi, Recently, having done a complete windows repair, I have had to 
reinstall several apps including TB.  I have been able to restore all of 
my local folders from a windows backup.  However, I can't seem to find 
the file where TB contacts are stored.  Does anyone know wich file that 
is?  thanks, Bernie

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Re: Thunderbird Help

[loy via Talk]

click on link, then tab to choose file


On 10/11/2017 9:32 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I'm using Windows 10,with Window-Eyes 9.5.4 and the latest version of 
Thunderbird.  I'm trying to send a file attachment, however, when I go 
to insert in the file menu, that option doesn't seem to be there. I 
see images, table, link, and a few other things but no option to send 
a file.  What am I missing?


Thanks

Lee


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Re: Thunderbird Help

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Lee,
When I open the File menu while composing a message it comes in on New. 
Attach is the next item down. I don't see Insert anywhere.

I'm running the same setup as you.
Good luck,
Tom


On 10/11/2017 9:32 AM, L Urie via Talk wrote:

Hi,


I'm using Windows 10,with Window-Eyes 9.5.4 and the latest version of 
Thunderbird.  I'm trying to send a file attachment, however, when I go 
to insert in the file menu, that option doesn't seem to be there. I see 
images, table, link, and a few other things but no option to send a 
file.  What am I missing?


Thanks

Lee


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Thunderbird Help

[L Urie via Talk]

Hi,


I'm using Windows 10,with Window-Eyes 9.5.4 and the latest version of 
Thunderbird.  I'm trying to send a file attachment, however, when I go 
to insert in the file menu, that option doesn't seem to be there. I see 
images, table, link, and a few other things but no option to send a 
file.  What am I missing?


Thanks

Lee


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Re: Changing the Default Browser in Thunderbird

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Press the Windows key to open the cortana search box and type "default." 
Default app settings should come up. Tab through the various buttons to 
Web browser, press spacebar, then tab to the browser button you want and 
press spacebar on it.
This is a global change. I'm not aware of a way to change what browser 
is used by individual programs.

Hth,
Tom


On 10/1/2017 10:40 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, Folks.  Well, with the decreasing support for WE in Firefox, how do 
I change the default browser in Thunderbird?  I want Thunderbird to go 
iinto either IE or Chrome when I click on a link in Thunderbird.  So, 
how to change the default?  BTW, I'm using Windows 10.  Thanks in 
advance.--Matthew Chao




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Changing the Default Browser in Thunderbird

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Hi, Folks.  Well, with the decreasing support for WE in Firefox, how do 
I change the default browser in Thunderbird?  I want Thunderbird to go 
iinto either IE or Chrome when I click on a link in Thunderbird.  So, 
how to change the default?  BTW, I'm using Windows 10.  Thanks in 
advance.--Matthew Chao




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Re: Thunderbird

[matthew Dyer via Talk]

Hi,

Go to the view menu and disable the search bar, tool bars etc and make sure 
that the preview pain is off.  HTH.

Matthew



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On 9/15/17, 7:11 PM, "Talk on behalf of Carol and Roger via Talk" 
<talk-bounces+ilovecountrymusic483=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com on behalf of 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to help a friend of mine reinstall Thunderbird.  She now has 
email coming and going, but there is no simple way to get to the inbox.  
How does one get rid of the screen that has all of the junk in it like 
filter messages, write messages, search bing, etc. and get to the inbox 
after installing Thunderbird.  We have turned off the splash screen, but 
that does not make any difference.


Neither one of us has any mouse function in Thunderbird any longer and I 
used to doo a simple search for inbox and mouse click it and the inbox 
came right up.  But, with no mouse control, I don't know how to tell her 
to get there.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

Or, maybe we should all learn to use the search engines on the net. A 
quick search for a term like:

     Setting up thunderbird to open in the inbox

, on Yahoo, gave me a number of results. Among them, this article, which 
might be what you are looking for:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Show_Inbox_when_starting_Thunderbird


If not, try some of the other articles here:

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=setting+up+thunderbird+to+open+in+the+inbox=UTF-8=mozilla=yhs-001


Hope any of this helps you out.


On 9/16/2017 5:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:
> Honestly, it's been a few years since I set up my Thunderbird. So this
> will be a total guesswork. But for nothing else, make sure the settings
> in the View menu are correct.
>
>
> Under Toolbars, make sure only the Menu bar, and Status bar are checked.
> All other features should be unchecked.
>
>
> Under Layout, you might want to go for the Classic view.
>
>
> Under Folders, try set it to Unified.
>
>
> Under Today's Pane, make sure it is set to None.
>
>
> Since you have Thunderbird working on your machine, it might be a
> workaround for you to make a copy of your Thunderbird folder, under
> %Appdata% in Windows Explorer. Make sure to delete your mail folders
> from the copy.
>
> Then, let your friend replace her Thunderbird folder, with your copy.
> This should ensure she will get the same setup as you. She might have to
> enter her account details anew.
>
>
> Should you need further steps on the folder copying, let me know, and I
> might be able to pull together some step-by-step instructions on the matter.
>
>
> On 9/16/2017 1:18 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks. I did not see that option and went throught both accounts and
>> options.  The only thing there, which we had already unchecked, was
>> the open the Mozilla start page.  Otherwise, whenever I open my
>> settings, I usually end up wherever I closed TB.  Hers always opens
>> with that screen with all of the options. I will have her try turning
>> off browse mode and see if that helps any.  Thanks for the ideas.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/2017 3:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know
>>> there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook
>>> express, windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
>>> To: Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Cc: brice Mijares
>>> Subject: Re: Thunderbird
>>>
>>> I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
>>> your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[David via Talk]

Honestly, it's been a few years since I set up my Thunderbird. So this 
will be a total guesswork. But for nothing else, make sure the settings 
in the View menu are correct.


Under Toolbars, make sure only the Menu bar, and Status bar are checked. 
All other features should be unchecked.


Under Layout, you might want to go for the Classic view.


Under Folders, try set it to Unified.


Under Today's Pane, make sure it is set to None.


Since you have Thunderbird working on your machine, it might be a 
workaround for you to make a copy of your Thunderbird folder, under 
%Appdata% in Windows Explorer. Make sure to delete your mail folders 
from the copy.

Then, let your friend replace her Thunderbird folder, with your copy. 
This should ensure she will get the same setup as you. She might have to 
enter her account details anew.


Should you need further steps on the folder copying, let me know, and I 
might be able to pull together some step-by-step instructions on the matter.


On 9/16/2017 1:18 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> Thanks. I did not see that option and went throught both accounts and 
> options.  The only thing there, which we had already unchecked, was 
> the open the Mozilla start page.  Otherwise, whenever I open my 
> settings, I usually end up wherever I closed TB.  Hers always opens 
> with that screen with all of the options. I will have her try turning 
> off browse mode and see if that helps any.  Thanks for the ideas.
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 9/16/2017 3:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know 
>> there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook 
>> express, windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
>> To: Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Cc: brice Mijares
>> Subject: Re: Thunderbird
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Re: Thunderbird

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Not that I know of. I wish it was like Outlook Express or Windows mail. 
Windows 10 has the mail app, but I'd rather use TB instead.


On 9/16/2017 12:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know 
there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook express, 
windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks.  I did not see that option and went throught both accounts and 
options.  The only thing there, which we had already unchecked, was the 
open the Mozilla start page.  Otherwise, whenever I open my settings, I 
usually end up wherever I closed TB.  Hers always opens with that screen 
with all of the options. I will have her try turning off browse mode and 
see if that helps any.  Thanks for the ideas.


Carol


On 9/16/2017 3:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know 
there is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook express, 
windows mail and windows live mail.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

F6 does absolutely nothing.  I will have her try the browse mode and see 
what happens there.  It is like an open message, but all of the links 
are for items available in TB.  Thanks for the suggestion.


Carol


On 9/15/2017 10:51 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Just a shot in the dark, since I don't use TB, but if you're in browse mode, 
can you turn it off with Ctrl-Shift-A; in any case, can you not just F6 over to 
the folders?

Hth,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 15, 2017 7:11 PM
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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Thunderbird

Hi,

I am trying to help a friend of mine reinstall Thunderbird.  She now has
email coming and going, but there is no simple way to get to the inbox.
How does one get rid of the screen that has all of the junk in it like
filter messages, write messages, search bing, etc. and get to the inbox
after installing Thunderbird.  We have turned off the splash screen, but
that does not make any difference.


Neither one of us has any mouse function in Thunderbird any longer and I
used to doo a simple search for inbox and mouse click it and the inbox
came right up.  But, with no mouse control, I don't know how to tell her
to get there.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: Thunderbird

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know there 
is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook express, windows 
mail and windows live mail.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
your at when you close TB.
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Re: Thunderbird

[michael's emails via Talk]

iI did this by going up to tools menu then acount options.
Their is a setting to open thunderbird to in box not the start page.
cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:43 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

Thanks, but that did not work.


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RE: Thunderbird

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

Just a shot in the dark, since I don't use TB, but if you're in browse mode, 
can you turn it off with Ctrl-Shift-A; in any case, can you not just F6 over to 
the folders?

Hth,

Rod

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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Thunderbird

Hi,

I am trying to help a friend of mine reinstall Thunderbird.  She now has 
email coming and going, but there is no simple way to get to the inbox.  
How does one get rid of the screen that has all of the junk in it like 
filter messages, write messages, search bing, etc. and get to the inbox 
after installing Thunderbird.  We have turned off the splash screen, but 
that does not make any difference.


Neither one of us has any mouse function in Thunderbird any longer and I 
used to doo a simple search for inbox and mouse click it and the inbox 
came right up.  But, with no mouse control, I don't know how to tell her 
to get there.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: Thunderbird

[mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo via Talk]

google.com thunder berd

On 9/15/17, Carol and Roger via Talk  wrote:
> Thanks, but that did not work.
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Re: Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks, but that did not work.


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Re: Thunderbird

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I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where 
your at when you close TB.

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Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

I am trying to help a friend of mine reinstall Thunderbird.  She now has 
email coming and going, but there is no simple way to get to the inbox.  
How does one get rid of the screen that has all of the junk in it like 
filter messages, write messages, search bing, etc. and get to the inbox 
after installing Thunderbird.  We have turned off the splash screen, but 
that does not make any difference.



Neither one of us has any mouse function in Thunderbird any longer and I 
used to doo a simple search for inbox and mouse click it and the inbox 
came right up.  But, with no mouse control, I don't know how to tell her 
to get there.  Thanks for any help.


Carol


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RE: Easiest way to open an attachment in Thunderbird?

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Thanks, Brian.  We'll see if this helps Nick with the file. 



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On Behalf Of Brian Moore via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin via Talk
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Subject: Re: Easiest way to open an attachment in Thunderbird?

Hi.  alt+m for the message menu and then h to get to the attachments.  
then right arrow on the one you want to get a menu of open save or delete.



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> and I use Outlook, so I'm not sure the easiest way for him to open the 
> attachment in Thunderbird.  He's hearing some special characters that I'm not 
> getting, so I think there must be something in the way he's viewing the 
> attachment.
>
> Can one of you Thunderbird users hit "reply all" and tell Nick the easiest 
> way to open an Excel attachment in Thunderbird?
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Re: Easiest way to open an attachment in Thunderbird?

[Brian Moore via Talk]

Hi.  alt+m for the message menu and then h to get to the attachments.  
then right arrow on the one you want to get a menu of open save or delete.




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All,
I'm helping Nick on this list with an Excel attachment.  He uses Thunderbird 
and I use Outlook, so I'm not sure the easiest way for him to open the 
attachment in Thunderbird.  He's hearing some special characters that I'm not 
getting, so I think there must be something in the way he's viewing the 
attachment.

Can one of you Thunderbird users hit "reply all" and tell Nick the easiest way 
to open an Excel attachment in Thunderbird?


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Easiest way to open an attachment in Thunderbird?

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

All,
I'm helping Nick on this list with an Excel attachment.  He uses Thunderbird 
and I use Outlook, so I'm not sure the easiest way for him to open the 
attachment in Thunderbird.  He's hearing some special characters that I'm not 
getting, so I think there must be something in the way he's viewing the 
attachment.

Can one of you Thunderbird users hit "reply all" and tell Nick the easiest way 
to open an Excel attachment in Thunderbird?


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Re: Adding New Account to Thunderbird

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Missed part of the thread on adding new account, but picked it up here. 
Thanks for the help.--Matthew Chao




On 9/2/2017 11:37 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Glad to help.
Enjoy,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 2:11 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Thank you, Tom.  This is more useful than the way I was doing it.  
Also tapping the control key silences most of the other stuff before 
pressing read to end.  You just saved me several seconds of 
unnecessary chatter.


Carol



On 9/1/2017 1:51 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
An easier way to do this would be to go into Verbosity, Browse mode, 
New page information 1, and set Automatically read to program scope 
and read nothing. Then you could just open and hit read to end.

Hth,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 1:31 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
It is not exactly a fix, but you can press the left arrow just after 
loading the message and that helps. Otherwise, press up arrow or 
page up and then your read to end key.


Carol


On 9/1/2017 11:24 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Speaking of Thunderbird, I am using it with W E 9.5.4.  Has anyone 
found a reliable means of stopping the repetition of the first one 
or two lines of the message? Frankly, that is my only gripe about 
using Thunderbird. However, in order to be completely fair, the 
same thing occurred when I used Windows live mail.  It also 
occurred regardless of whether I used JFW or Window-eyes.  
Conversely, it doesn't happen when I use Becky for email.  I guess 
I am a bit frustrated with email programs because each seems to 
have its own issues.  For example, with Becky I haven't figured out 
a way to sort messages from several lists into folders.  Also, I 
find no means of changing the order of columns with Becky. That's 
the conclusion of today's rant.  Remember, it is worth exactly what 
you paid for it.



Don Roberts



On 9/1/2017 6:07 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

New account:

Tools, enter
account settings, enter
tab once to account options button and space
down arrow to add account


Carol


On 8/29/2017 8:06 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, Folks.  Window-Eyes still lives! Anyway, how do I add a new 
account to Thunderbird?  Thanks in advance.


Matthew Chao
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Re: Adding New Account to Thunderbird

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Glad to help.
Enjoy,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 2:11 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Thank you, Tom.  This is more useful than the way I was doing it.  Also 
tapping the control key silences most of the other stuff before pressing 
read to end.  You just saved me several seconds of unnecessary chatter.


Carol



On 9/1/2017 1:51 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
An easier way to do this would be to go into Verbosity, Browse mode, 
New page information 1, and set Automatically read to program scope 
and read nothing. Then you could just open and hit read to end.

Hth,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 1:31 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
It is not exactly a fix, but you can press the left arrow just after 
loading the message and that helps. Otherwise, press up arrow or page 
up and then your read to end key.


Carol


On 9/1/2017 11:24 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Speaking of Thunderbird, I am using it with W E 9.5.4.  Has anyone 
found a reliable means of stopping the repetition of the first one 
or two lines of the message? Frankly, that is my only gripe about 
using Thunderbird. However, in order to be completely fair, the same 
thing occurred when I used Windows live mail.  It also occurred 
regardless of whether I used JFW or Window-eyes.  Conversely, it 
doesn't happen when I use Becky for email.  I guess I am a bit 
frustrated with email programs because each seems to have its own 
issues.  For example, with Becky I haven't figured out a way to sort 
messages from several lists into folders.  Also, I find no means of 
changing the order of columns with Becky. That's the conclusion of 
today's rant.  Remember, it is worth exactly what you paid for it.



Don Roberts



On 9/1/2017 6:07 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

New account:

Tools, enter
account settings, enter
tab once to account options button and space
down arrow to add account


Carol


On 8/29/2017 8:06 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, Folks.  Window-Eyes still lives! Anyway, how do I add a new 
account to Thunderbird?  Thanks in advance.


Matthew Chao
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Re: Adding New Account to Thunderbird

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thank you, Tom.  This is more useful than the way I was doing it.  Also 
tapping the control key silences most of the other stuff before pressing 
read to end.  You just saved me several seconds of unnecessary chatter.


Carol



On 9/1/2017 1:51 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
An easier way to do this would be to go into Verbosity, Browse mode, 
New page information 1, and set Automatically read to program scope 
and read nothing. Then you could just open and hit read to end.

Hth,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 1:31 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
It is not exactly a fix, but you can press the left arrow just after 
loading the message and that helps. Otherwise, press up arrow or page 
up and then your read to end key.


Carol


On 9/1/2017 11:24 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Speaking of Thunderbird, I am using it with W E 9.5.4.  Has anyone 
found a reliable means of stopping the repetition of the first one 
or two lines of the message? Frankly, that is my only gripe about 
using Thunderbird. However, in order to be completely fair, the same 
thing occurred when I used Windows live mail.  It also occurred 
regardless of whether I used JFW or Window-eyes.  Conversely, it 
doesn't happen when I use Becky for email.  I guess I am a bit 
frustrated with email programs because each seems to have its own 
issues.  For example, with Becky I haven't figured out a way to sort 
messages from several lists into folders.  Also, I find no means of 
changing the order of columns with Becky. That's the conclusion of 
today's rant.  Remember, it is worth exactly what you paid for it.



Don Roberts



On 9/1/2017 6:07 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

New account:

Tools, enter
account settings, enter
tab once to account options button and space
down arrow to add account


Carol


On 8/29/2017 8:06 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, Folks.  Window-Eyes still lives! Anyway, how do I add a new 
account to Thunderbird?  Thanks in advance.


Matthew Chao
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Re: Adding New Account to Thunderbird

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

An easier way to do this would be to go into Verbosity, Browse mode, New 
page information 1, and set Automatically read to program scope and read 
nothing. Then you could just open and hit read to end.

Hth,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 1:31 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
It is not exactly a fix, but you can press the left arrow just after 
loading the message and that helps.  Otherwise, press up arrow or page 
up and then your read to end key.


Carol


On 9/1/2017 11:24 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Speaking of Thunderbird, I am using it with W E 9.5.4.  Has anyone 
found a reliable means of stopping the repetition of the first one or 
two lines of the message? Frankly, that is my only gripe about using 
Thunderbird. However, in order to be completely fair, the same thing 
occurred when I used Windows live mail.  It also occurred regardless 
of whether I used JFW or Window-eyes.  Conversely, it doesn't happen 
when I use Becky for email.  I guess I am a bit frustrated with email 
programs because each seems to have its own issues.  For example, with 
Becky I haven't figured out a way to sort messages from several lists 
into folders.  Also, I find no means of changing the order of columns 
with Becky. That's the conclusion of today's rant.  Remember, it is 
worth exactly what you paid for it.



Don Roberts



On 9/1/2017 6:07 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

New account:

Tools, enter
account settings, enter
tab once to account options button and space
down arrow to add account


Carol


On 8/29/2017 8:06 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, Folks.  Window-Eyes still lives! Anyway, how do I add a new 
account to Thunderbird?  Thanks in advance.


Matthew Chao
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Re: Adding New Account to Thunderbird

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Brice,
I'm not using the app. I wrote my own to put focus in the mailbox list 
on launch. And I associated Thunderbird and Thunderbird_write.set files.

Regards,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 12:57 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
tom, are you using the TB app? I'm not  and the set file is default.set. 
NVDA works much better with Thunderbird. Jaws is also a pain in the ass 
too!


On 9/1/2017 9:16 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Go into Verbosity, Browse mode, New page information 1 and 2.
Set everything you hear, like links, headings, etc. to program scope 
and turn them off.

Control-Shift-S will read them if you want.
Hth,
Tom


On 9/1/2017 11:24 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Speaking of Thunderbird, I am using it with W E 9.5.4.  Has anyone 
found a reliable means of stopping the repetition of the first one or 
two lines of the message? Frankly, that is my only gripe about using 
Thunderbird. However, in order to be completely fair, the same thing 
occurred when I used Windows live mail.  It also occurred regardless 
of whether I used JFW or Window-eyes.  Conversely, it doesn't happen 
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programs because each seems to have its own issues.  For example, 
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lists into folders.  Also, I find no means of changing the order of 
columns with Becky. That's the conclusion of today's rant.  Remember, 
it is worth exactly what you paid for it.



Don Roberts



On 9/1/2017 6:07 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

New account:

Tools, enter
account settings, enter
tab once to account options button and space
down arrow to add account


Carol


On 8/29/2017 8:06 AM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
Hi, Folks.  Window-Eyes still lives! Anyway, how do I add a new 
account to Thunderbird?  Thanks in advance.


Matthew Chao
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