RE: is this replacing the gw info list?

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Alan J Paganelli via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:05 PM
To: Alan J Paganelli; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this replacing the gw info list?

Yahoo! it goes to the group not the person instead!




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-Original Message-
From: Alan J Paganelli via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 12:42 PM
To: Dave Bahr ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this replacing the gw info list?

I think it is.  I got a welcome new member message and know I didn't ask to
join.  It's ok with me and I hope this goes to the group at large too.




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-Original Message-
From: Dave Bahr via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 11:22 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this replacing the gw info list?

I think so. I also hope that we can just reply to the current email and have
it go to the list straight away. Much easier that way.
On 2/9/2015 12:19 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
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RE: jaws layout with window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Joe. What you need to do is hit control alt 0. This will toggle on,
and off the jaws keyboard layout. I would also strongly! Strongly! Advise as
well, that you listen to the Window-Eyes tutorial.
Thanks, Sky.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of joe quinn via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:23 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: jaws layout with window eyes

I got my wineyes office copy registered, now, how do I put wineyes in the
JAWS keyboard layout? Or does a thing like that not exist anymore? Thanks!

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RE: jaws layout with window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

www.Gwmicro.com

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Quinn via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 5:43 PM
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws layout with window eyes

Where do you get the window eyes tutorial from? What's the website? I know
it's on the GW micro site, but where do you go after going to that main.com
site

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> On Feb 10, 2015, at 6:26 PM, Sky Mundell  wrote:
> 
> Hello Joe. What you need to do is hit control alt 0. This will toggle 
> on, and off the jaws keyboard layout. I would also strongly! Strongly! 
> Advise as well, that you listen to the Window-Eyes tutorial.
> Thanks, Sky.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of joe quinn via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:23 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: jaws layout with window eyes
> 
> I got my wineyes office copy registered, now, how do I put wineyes in 
> the JAWS keyboard layout? Or does a thing like that not exist anymore?
Thanks!
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RE: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally speakinghome addision please read

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi. I have to agree. Also, the guy who writes Jaysay was a former
Window-Eyes user for writing setFiles but then he started doing jfw scripts
and he is stuck in jfw land now

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 7:23 AM
To: K4NKZ JIM; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally
speakinghome addision please read

This is something that  AI squared should really think about adding to
window-eyes. Not only do you have to have JAWS, but you also have to have a
program called j-say, wich costs a hole lot of money to get, and that is
ontop of JAWS.

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From: K4NKZ JIM via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:45 AM
To: talk wineyes
Subject: need help need to use Window-Eyes with Dragon Naturally
speakinghome addision please read

hi, let me tell you whats up!
1, I can do any keybord commands needed to run my computer! so I don't need
voice input to control the computer. that is why I don't need Dragon
Naturally speaking pro.

2, I have disslexeya! so I am a bad speller! so bad that the spell checkers
in programs like word, outlook, and thunderbird, don't know what I am trying
to spell!
3, new to Window-Eyes, so I do not know how to write, make, or use aps!
4, Window-Eyes tec subport said that I should go to jaws if I wanted to
useDragon Naturally speaking! but I am trying to get away from jaws!
5, so I need to use Dragon Naturally speaking home addision.
6, when traning Dragon, I need an ap with a hot key that will start looking
from the top of the screen down for print of 1 color with the back ground of
an nother color, like plack on light-blue. then it would read the next 3 to
5 words. to tell me what to read.
7, when dictateing, I need a ap that will read what I am dictateing back to
me, a santence at a time.


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Have a nice day from, K4NKZ Jim

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RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I can agree wholeheartedly with this post. In England, if your blind, you'd
use JAWS in the schools. If your low vision, you'd use Supernova in the
schools too!.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:52 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

because f s had all the money to throw around to permote there products  and
to businesses and schools. few even heard of window eyes and were not
willing to use a product they never heard of. if they knew window eyes
worked most of the time right out of the box without scripts years ago they
would of dropped jaws in a heart beat. they could of saved thousands of
dollars because they would not of had to pay script righters to get there
software working.

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From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even some
here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues and
some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on Jaws.  Of
course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving the overall
stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
> Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the 
> Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing, 
> usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website, 
> when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down 
> the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find 
> Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I 
> am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a 
> product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they 
> trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention 
> charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff, 
> because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and 
> Narrator do.
>
> So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my 
> view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will 
> be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2 
> thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.
>
> Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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RE: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Glad you are giving NVDA a try. I'm afraid that FS is trying to suck the
juice out of a dead line of software.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:36 AM
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Subject: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave  it
  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever since. 
occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like control, panel,
settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty good in NVDA.
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RE: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely and I'm afraid that they are doing this before they leave all
together.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 11:04 AM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

Yes, they can't get jaws to work correctly in edge or FX. Read yesterday
that they finally fixed jaws to work in windows ten mail app. I use both
  mail app and Thunderbird. NVDA works great with FX 52.x.. I been learning
to use Edge, but don't really like it.

On 2/22/2018 10:50 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Glad you are giving NVDA a try. I'm afraid that FS is trying to suck 
> the juice out of a dead line of software.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of brice Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:36 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: brice Mijares
> Subject: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA
> 
>   I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't 
> remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave  it
>a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever since.
> occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like control, 
> panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty good in NVDA.
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RE: ctrl key in nvda

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Unfortunately there is no way you can do that in NVDA.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:59 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: richard kurlander
Subject: ctrl key in nvda

does anyone know how to make the ctrl key in nvda say control? 

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RE: NVDA Users' List

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. Yes there is an NVDA list. I don't have t he address off the top of
my head, but if you do a google search you should be able to find it.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Janet Brandly via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 3:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Janet Brandly
Subject: NVDA Users' List

hello everyone,
Is there an email list for NVDA users similar to this list? I have begun
learning/using NVDA after my copy of WE went into demo mode after upgrading
to W10 and a delay in getting it reregistered through VFO Group.
Thanks,
Janet 
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RE: screen reader compatibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I agree with you.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Singing Sparrow
Subject: Re: screen reader compatibility

This is going to be not that good for window eyes users. I am seeing the 
following, that window eyes will reboot your computer if you try and turn it on 
so something is going on witht he video intercept that is causing this I am 
thinking what does everyone else think?


On 3/29/2018 9:49 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>
>  I copied this from another list.Hi everyone, Below is an update on 
> screen reader compatibility notice and a schedule of events regarding 
> Version 1803:
> A few weeks ago I sent out a preliminary notice regarding compatible 
> screen readers with Windows 10 Version 1803. The below notice replaces 
> the preliminary one and should be considered official compatibility 
> notice from this forum cluster:
> Windows 10 Version 1803 compatible screen readers: any screen reader 
> supporting Version 1703 or later will work, although you may need to 
> install releases optimized for 1803. The following are known 
> compatible screen readers:
> • Narrator : yes.
> • NonVisual Desktop Access: 2018.1.1 or later.
> • JAWS for Windows: 18.0.4350 or later, 2018.1802.78 or later.
> • ZoomText: 11.5 or later.
> • Any screen reader declaring support for Version 1703 (Creators
> Update) or later (except Window-Eyes).
> Note: Window-Eyes is no longer supported as a compatible screen reader 
> from this forum cluster as the product was discontinued.
> Also, based on latest information available, the tentative schedule of 
> events regarding Version 1803 (on this forum cluster) is as follows:
> • Around April 3, 2018 or whenever it happens: Version 1803 build will 
> be sent to release preview Insiders. From that day on, the entire 
> forum cluster will enter Version 1803 era.
> • Around April 10, 2018: Version 1803 makes public debut.
> • April 11, 2018 or at most 24 hours after public release: critical 
> standby begins. This is a 72-hour period where all activity on the
> Win10 forum will be suspended except for Version 1803 upgrade reports 
> and impressions. This is also the period when Microsoft staff and 
> screen reader vendor reps will get temporary moderator privileges so 
> they can pass on critical information for screen reader users (please 
> show them respect during that time).
> • Between 1803 release date and 60 days after: countdown for Version
> 1709 is in effect. During this time cumulative update notices for both
> 1709 and 1803 will be sent to the forum cluster.
> • June 30, 2018 or end of 60 day countdown, whichever happens earlier: 
> cumulative update announcements for 1709 will cease. The next KB alert 
> for 1709 will be on April 2019 once it exits consumer support.
> • December 2018: cumulative update for 1803 will cease.
> • October 2019: last KB alert for 1803 as it exits consumer support.
> The above schedule is subject to change – depends on when Version 1803 
> will hit the air.
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RE: Musings and touching base

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Rod. Totally agree with you. VFO will fail in the end.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:52 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Musings and touching base

Hi Brenda,

Great to hear from you, and, as John said, I care too.
Personally, I am using Window-Eyes on my Windows 7 machine too, and will not
ever use Jaws.
I just don't like that company.
I recently bought a Mac and so have an alternative for surfing the web when
Windows 7 becomes unsupported, which will be in 2020.
Even then, though, since my Windows 7 runs in a virtual machine, I wil use
it forever, with Window-Eyes.
I also use a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone 7 and my iPod 6th generation,
and these are as good as a tablet like the iPad.
As for security and the ability to surf the web and do email, then, I think
I'm covered.
I am in the Apple world, and I can still use Windows, but what I'm saying is
that I'm not restricted to Windows in order to keep up to date.
I believe that not upgrading Window-Eyes was a major blunder in the
blindness world.
Hope this helps, and, again, great to hear from you.

Take care,

Rod Hutton

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Musings and touching base

Hello Lists,

I was cleaning out my emails and ran across a bunch from GW-Micro staff 
and various list posts. Made me feel kinda sad.  It's been around a year 
since our beloved Window-eyes went the way of DOS and Word perfect. I 
still have my win7 machine but use the replacement provided by the 
conquerer because I need to get used to using it. Actually, I don't even 
get on the computer much. I'm  using FF 52.?? and am hoping Mozilla 
makes FF 57 and beyond accessible again. I usually use my phone and am 
considering getting a tablet with a keyboard but wonder how safe they 
are from  viruses.

Anyway, I read a lot of the posts on these two lists and wanted to let 
you all know I'm still around, not that you really care, and that I 
still miss Window-Eyes and the wonderful staff at GW-Micro. Still wonder 
where they all went and hoping the best for them and all of you listers.

Brenda
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RE: Windows 10 build 1803

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right. I went to it specifically to get msn messenger 7.0 support
whereas JAWS would not work with msn messenger 7.0 until version 7 of JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:00 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Windows 10 build 1803

Window-Eyes is a screen reader much too far ahead of its time!  I'm still
sulking and running mad 'cause it's NO LONGER being developed.  When it was
alive, we always had new implementations of accessibility before the shark
did and, quite a number of problems did get fixed before bells and whistles
kicked in.  

For Window-Eyes to still work with Windows10 to this point, its developers
deserve more credit than I can truly give them!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

The authorisation system will be a subscription baste.

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Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 12:39 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: `news about jws

What?  Jaws will be a subscription-based screen reader?  Please tell me it's
not true!  If true, it's absolutely absurd.

Anyway, as an individual, I am working feverishly to FLING WINDOWS down
whatever drain it finds itself in.  I'll be switching completely to my Shiny
Android, screen reader is FREE and there are no silly bells and whistles!
And, sure enough, kill the competition then hold a sledgehammer to
everyone's throat!  Let's hope the BLIND community wises up and refuses the
nonsense.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think the 
problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was one 
of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of 
money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished 
that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money 
but in smaller bites.


It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When 
Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach 
the names that you call Freedom Scientific.


Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were 
running out of money.


On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
> become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of 
> the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
> interesting how it is going to work?
>
> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
> sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.
>
> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
>
> Live long and prosper, John
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Me too.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:36 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

That could be as you say.  I appreciate everything you have said, 
especially the spirit involved.


I hope that nobody sees my comments as being anti Window-Eyes.  I used 
Window-Eyes since the days of Windows 95 all the way up to the demise of 
GW Micro.  I, too, wish that they could have survived.


On 4/28/2018 12:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think 
> the problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
> education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was 
> one of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running 
> out of money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the 
> lawsuit that FS filed contributed to this..
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of lynn white via Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Cc: lynn white
> Subject: Re: `news about jws
>
> I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
> that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
> but in smaller bites.
>
>
> It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
> Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
> the names that you call Freedom Scientific.
>
>
> Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
> running out of money.
>
>
> On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to 
>> become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of 
>> the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be 
>> interesting how it is going to work?
>>
>> I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
>> sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.
>>
>> I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.
>>
>> Live long and prosper, John
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely.  The clients should have been given the right to choose what
they could get.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: `news about jws

FS had an advantage over Window Eyes because for many years VR would only
purchase JAWS and no one  had  the right to choose which screen reader  they
could get. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Sarames via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Nick Sarames 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
  merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
  broached whom?

  On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
  > If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
  > world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
  > on screen reader users.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: bj colt
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  > 
  > Hi Lynn,
  > 
  > My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
  > offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
  > rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been
so
  > angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay
much
  > more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
  > price as
  > now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows
365
  > office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for
life.
  > When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for
years.
  > I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
  > paid
  > a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
  > least
  > 8 copied of office.
  > 
  > I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise
of
  > Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the
up
  > they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
  > apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
  > Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this

  > way
  > about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would
agree
  > with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
  > treated the way we are.
  > 
  > I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for
the
  > disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I
have a
  > copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
  > more.
  > 
  > Live long and prosper, John
  > 
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RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Actually some VR agencies did provide Window-Eyes. For instants, here is a
post from the NVDA mailing list, by a lady. Here is what she has to say on
the subject.





From: n...@nvda.groups.io [mailto:n...@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally
Kiebdaj
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 5:44 AM
To: n...@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] WebAim Screen Reader User Survey #7: Getting The Word
Out About NVDA

Whole-heartedly agree here! I was raised in Indiana which is probably the
only reason I was offered Window-Eyes by my Voc Rehab office. Many others I
met out of state a guide dog school and college had never heard of
Window-Eyes let alone been given the chance to test it before being provided
JAWS. In the case that they had heard of it, they assumed it was incomplete
or inferior because it had never been recommended or offered to them. 

Too often, the able-bodied powers that be --for a variety of reasons
including lack of interest or bandwidth-- learn 1 version of adaptive
technology for a given disability and recommend only that one for ever
after. Even if their job is to advise or help those new to the disability,
they do not take the time to research and present all options. Government
funding and contracts may be a large part of this but so is ignorance. I
worked for a few years at a prominent eye hospital that had a rehab
department and no one in the building knew about window-eyes or that android
devices were used by the blind. In this case, I know that there were no
contracts or government funding--- only the common mental shorthand of
stereotyping the outgroup. Because they ad seen more than one blind person
with an iPhone or had heard of JAWS, clearly all people used iPhones and
JAWS because that was all they had. Funnily enough they didn't even realize
that VoiceOver existed on Mac OSX since the JAWS stereotype predated iOS.

I am grateful for the choice I had early on and the fact that I knew that
the most common option wasn't the only and wasn't necessarily the best for
me. In my case and at that time, my simultaneous use of ZoomText made
Window-Eyes a much better option. 

Cheers,
Sally 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Absolutely.  The clients should have been given the right to choose what
they could get.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 3:24 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: `news about jws

FS had an advantage over Window Eyes because for many years VR would only
purchase JAWS and no one  had  the right to choose which screen reader  they
could get. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Nick Sarames via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Nick Sarames 
  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: `news about jws


  Lots of silly comments on this list.  Who came to whom regarding the 
  merger?  That is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking sincerely.  Who 
  broached whom?

  On 4/28/2018 7:18 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
  > If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
  > world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" 
  > on screen reader users.
  > 
  > -Original Message- From: bj colt via Talk
  > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Cc: bj colt
  > Subject: Re: `news about jws
  > 
  > Hi Lynn,
  > 
  > My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
  > offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
  > rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been
so
  > angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay
much
  > more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same 
  > price as
  > now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows
365
  > office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for
life.
  > When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for
years.
  > I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had 
  > paid
  > a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at 
  > least
  > 8 copied of office.
  > 
  > I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise
of
  > Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the
up
  > they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
  > apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
  > Them meaning those at the top. Not

RE: `news about jws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right Tony.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: `news about jws

If you think the price is going to decrease, you are living in a dream 
world. The whole reason of getting rid of WE was to have a "choke-hold" on 
screen reader users.

-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 4:03 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: `news about jws

Hi Lynn,

My apologies if the names I called those at the top of the tree in VFO
offended you. My sheer anger and frustration has overwhelmed me. It is
rarely I make such statements and more so on this list. I've never been so
angry or upset at a situation where blind people will be forced to pay much
more than they are just now. Please believe me it won't be the same price as
now. That I can guarantee. Just look at the price of Microsoft windows 365
office. Remember, that is not just for one or two years. that is for life.
When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years.
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office.

I could say a lot more Lynn regarding the merger and subsequent demise of
Window-eyes. Call it conspiracy theory or not. Had this happened in the up
they would have been referred to the Monopolies commission. I don't
apologies for using those names because that is how I feel towards them.
Them meaning those at the top. Not the employees. I am not normally this way
about things and don't easily get annoyed. People that know me would agree
with that. I hate to see blind or disabled people getting ripped off and
treated the way we are.

I recently learned that companies who produce adaptive technology for the
disabled and blind get government grants. How much I have no idea. I have a
copy of jws and will continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any
more.

Live long and prosper, John



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RE: What's Doug up to?

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Odd. I tried it and I could get Doug.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:55 PM
To: Butch Bussen via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: What's Doug up to?

I tried alt left arrow and it just takes me to the beginning of the talk 
I'm on.  I tried the next link several times and never did find Doug.
On 
Sun, 13 May 2018, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

> Same here.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Sun, 13 May 2018, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
>
>>  I didn't hear Doug during the first 15 minutes. This was a Microsoft
>>  demonstration from their Buidld conference. Did I not listen far enough
or
>>  did my YouTube player go to the wrong place?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>>  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>>  -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>  Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:46 PM
>>  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Cc: Rod Hutton
>>  Subject: What's Doug up to?
>>
>>  Hi everyone,
>>
>>  I thought you might be interested in an accessibility training seminar
for
>>  software developers taught by our beloved Doug Geoffray:
>>
>>  http://bit.ly/2rHOahI
>>
>>  Enjoy,
>>
>>  Rod
>>
>>  Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
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RE: JAWS question

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That might be the case on windows 10 but I don't think it will become
unusable on windows 7.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:53 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Bryan Peterson
Subject: RE: JAWS question

Well sooner or later, sad as it is, WE is going to be made completely
unusable by some new update to Windows.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:13 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Did you really have to give it up?  I mean, did it stop working for you?  I 
know there is no more support, and no more versions, but most of us can 
still use it until it stops working for us.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hello!

Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it is.
Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom?  It was
necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus.  Quite a
challenge.  Thanks in advance.

Norene Trappa



-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: JAWS question

There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
if memory serves.

On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Yes, that is possible.
>
> The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
> %appdata%
> Here you find a folder freedom scientific
> In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
> In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
> with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
> folder to the same location on the other computer.
> I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
> jaws will not lock files.
>
> Regards, Marten
>
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
>  wrote:
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to another?
> > Kevin Huber
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RE: Considering VoiceOver

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You could also try NVDA from nvda-project.org

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of George Savory via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: George Savory
Subject: Considering VoiceOver

Listers,
Been using Win-Eyes  since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be
updated, I am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using
VoiceOver on my iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if
Jaws will ever work well with websites that use calenders; besides, I
won't have to be upgrading a screen reader  everytime there is an
upgrade
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RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. I would agree, except for now, VFO has the source code for it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 6:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

Doug a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft?  Wow, how I wish he had gone
over to Google!  Surely, he could help make Talkback another knock out!  I
look forward to the day when, somehow, Window-Eyes can become another TTS of
choice on the Android platform.  You know, Window-Eyes for Android?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You got that one right Larry. Window-Eyes Is unfortunately, truly, dead,
never to return to life again.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 11:06 AM
To: rgarrett5--- via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1

You continue to receive these messages simply because WE is no longer in 
production. Our beloved WE will never be updated or upgraded again, and 
that also goes for apps. As they say in the business, WE is at the end 
of life, meaning that is dead, never to rise again. That's it!


On 10/8/2018 7:38 AM, rgarrett5--- via Talk wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> When ever I attempt to update Aps in WE, I get a message that update
failed.
> Using Windows 10 and the latest version of WE.  Also, using Office 2016
and
> I get some funky behavior on occasion.  Any input appreciated.  Bob
Garrett
>
> -Original Message-
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> 1. Considering Voice over (Manny Gee)
> 2. Re: Considering Voice over (Tony C)
> 3. Re: Considering Voice over (Rod Hutton)
> 4. Re: ChromeBook Accessibility (Rod Hutton)
> 5. Re: Considering Voice over (George Savory)
> 6. Re: Considering VoiceOver (geo...@optonline.net)
> 7. Re: Considering VoiceOver (Butch Bussen)
> 8. RE: Considering VoiceOver (Amanda Lee)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:55:19 +
> From: Manny Gee 
> To: "talk@lists.window-eyes.com" 
> Subject: Considering Voice over
> Message-ID:
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 com>
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> Aloha to all,
>
> I too am in the same boat.
>
> I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over
to
> Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the
voice-over.
>
> I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.
>
> I have a jaws question.
>
> Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.
>
> Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.
>
> Good luck to all,
>
> Manny
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:32:40 -0500
> From: "Tony C" 
> To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: Considering Voice over
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>
> Hi, II  have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands
and
> 35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Manny Gee via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:55 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Manny Gee
> Subject: Considering Voice over
>
> Aloha to all,
>
> I too am in the same boat.
>
> I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over
to
> Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the
voice-over.
>
> I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.
>
> I have a jaws question.
>
> Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.
>
> Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.
>
> Good luck to all,
>
> Manny
>
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> Actually, that is a little bit of a misconception.
> If you buy the apple magic keyboard with numeric keypad, there are a lot
of
> dedicated navigation keys.
> Also, you can do quite a bit with control option and the arr

RE: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Drew. I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but
Window-Eyes is no longer in production. It was acquired by VFO who also has
JAWS as well. JAWS is the one VFO is concentrating their development on.
Why not give NVDA a try if you don't want to use JAWS. Thanks, Sky.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:17 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Drew Clark
Subject: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

Hi,
i am decided to use window eyes in arabic, unfortunately there is no
demo for that on the gw window eyes demo page,
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/demo/
if i download it from here i will get english copy of window eyes.
if i use the window eyes for office, i can download the window eyes in
arabic, but after installing it, the synthesizers cannot read arabic.
it came with espeak, witch does not have arabic support, and my sapi
synthesizer here on my windows 10 dont speak arabic either!
any solution for this?
i want to use window eyes!
thanks
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RE: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That's right.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 6:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

And you do have the option of using narrator with the windows 10 1809 
update.  Play the following:
This YouTube video focuses on Narrator; the same man did a video on the new 
low vision features last week:
http://bit.ly/2RZULjU

-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

Hello Drew. I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but
Window-Eyes is no longer in production. It was acquired by VFO who also has
JAWS as well. JAWS is the one VFO is concentrating their development on.
Why not give NVDA a try if you don't want to use JAWS. Thanks, Sky.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:17 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Drew Clark
Subject: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

Hi,
i am decided to use window eyes in arabic, unfortunately there is no
demo for that on the gw window eyes demo page,
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/demo/
if i download it from here i will get english copy of window eyes.
if i use the window eyes for office, i can download the window eyes in
arabic, but after installing it, the synthesizers cannot read arabic.
it came with espeak, witch does not have arabic support, and my sapi
synthesizer here on my windows 10 dont speak arabic either!
any solution for this?
i want to use window eyes!
thanks
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RE: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Drew. Before the merger with VFO, AI was going to have completely
rewritten braille support for Window-Eyes. They truly were before they were
bought out. Sadly, the only way to get around this is to redefine the hot
keys.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 9:01 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Drew Clark
Subject: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes

hi,
i am using freedom scientific focus 14 blue braille display with
window eyes  latest, on windows 10. different from another screen
reader where the keystrokes for performing functions normally deals
with dot or dots plus spacebar, the window eyes keystroke is different
in braille, at least what i see here when using focus. for example,
the dot 5 will perform the tab key, dot 2 for shift tab, dot 1 for
mouse top left etc. so question is, how do i enter text using braille?
do i need to enable a certain mode or something? if yes what is it?
maybe the hotkey is undefine?
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RE: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Drew. I meant undefined. That's what I meant. Change the tab, etc to 
something else. That is what I meant.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of clark drew via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 10:20 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: clark drew
Subject: Re: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes

Hi,

define the hotkeys? sorry i did not quite understand here, do you mean i 
need to define the hotkeys for letter a, b, c etc? or define the braille 
keys, previously tab is dot 5 with focus so change it to something else 
with space, and leave the dots undefine?

but before this how do people using other braille displays enter text 
then, ignore fs focus blue braille display for a while since i know that 
the driver is not updated because of something in the communication 
between the two competators.



على ٢٨/٠٢/٤٠ ‫٠٨:٠٩ ص، كتب Sky Mundell via Talk:
> Hello Drew. Before the merger with VFO, AI was going to have completely
> rewritten braille support for Window-Eyes. They truly were before they were
> bought out. Sadly, the only way to get around this is to redefine the hot
> keys.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Drew Clark via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 9:01 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Cc: Drew Clark
> Subject: how to enter text from focus 14 braille display with window eyes
>
> hi,
> i am using freedom scientific focus 14 blue braille display with
> window eyes  latest, on windows 10. different from another screen
> reader where the keystrokes for performing functions normally deals
> with dot or dots plus spacebar, the window eyes keystroke is different
> in braille, at least what i see here when using focus. for example,
> the dot 5 will perform the tab key, dot 2 for shift tab, dot 1 for
> mouse top left etc. so question is, how do i enter text using braille?
> do i need to enable a certain mode or something? if yes what is it?
> maybe the hotkey is undefine?
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RE: JAWS question

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You have to create your own hot key for JAWS. JAWS doesn't come up with an 
automatic hot key like Window-Eyes did.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Norene Trappa via Talk
Cc: Jim
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hi there!

When I unload Jaws and wish to restart it, I simply press the 'windows 
key' or the 'CTRL-Escape' and type the word Jaws and press enter.  This 
will restart the program for you.  I do not have enough experience with 
Jaws to know whether or not there is some sort of hot key you can 
press.  Hope this helps and Good Luck! de

.

On 02-Dec-18 15:08, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
> Hello again!   Another question.
> If insert-f4 unloads Jaws so there is no voice, how can I get the 
> voice to speak again?  In W-E it was so easy to bring the voice back.  
> Thanks in advance for help.
>
> Norene
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:24 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS 
> key is
> the Insert key.
> A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
> Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform their
> action.
> Insert-T: Read title bar.
> Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
> Window-Eyes.
> Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
> Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
> Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
> Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
> Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
> Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
> The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and the
> six-pack that are to the left of it.
> Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about
> transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what 
> the
> current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and start
> interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually you 
> will be
> productive.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
> To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Norene Trappa
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> Hello!
>
> Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with a
> question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it 
> is.
> Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom? It was
> necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only screen
> reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus. Quite a
> challenge.  Thanks in advance.
>
> Norene Trappa
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: John Covici
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu,
> if memory serves.
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
> Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Yes, that is possible.
>>
>> The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
>> %appdata%
>> Here you find a folder freedom scientific
>> In this folder you will find settings about jaws.
>> In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder
>> with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this
>> folder to the same location on the other computer.
>> I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer so
>> jaws will not lock files.
>>
>> Regards, Marten
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi:
>> >
>> > My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to 
>> another?
>> > Kevin Huber
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RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I agree with that statement. I have chosen to go forward with NVDA, pluss JFW 
for CakeTalking access with Sonar, although when I get the production computer 
upgraded to windows 10, it will be NVDA and Narrator, and Reaper for the reason 
that you will have to keep your screen reader current going forward or lose out.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:45 PM
To: Jim via Talk
Cc: Bernie Perella
Subject: Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

Hi Jim,  I suppose that I can't say I have never looked back after 
purching an Android phone and tablet, but not because I long for 
something else.  Rather, I a still using my Windows computer with 
Windows 1809.  I am still using it because I still am using a couple of 
programs that I like and don't yet have one to replace them.  for 
example, I really like the APH program Moneytalks and wish they would 
port it to another platform but don't think that will happen.  I have 
found Android and all the phone features pretty easy to learn and unlike 
We, there are no profiles, no setfiles etc.  At this point I am in 
process of getting office apps for android and that is going rather 
well.  I know there are some on this list who are still hanging onto 
older versions of windows and WE but I certainly would recommend to them 
that they really get started on choosing a path on which to move 
forward. Note that MS is now supporting only the most recent versions of 
Windows and IE is going by the by.  So, while one still has a working 
system, one could begin to think about and start making the change.  
while I have made my choice, I don't want to tell others what they 
should do.  Take care and have a happy new years.  Bernie

On 12/29/2018 4:22 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Hi there Bernie!
>
> Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never 
> looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't 
> shown me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a 
> good reason.  I have been very happy with my Android phones and will 
> probably stay with them for the immediate future! Just My 2-Sense 
> worth! Have A Good 1! de
>
> On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with
>> high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular
>> network.  As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to
>> learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback.  In fact,
>> when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave
>> considerable thought about what I should do.  I considered switching to
>> the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in
>> the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such
>> screenreradrs.  So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be,
>> finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating
>> system creator. There are three choices:  MS narrator, Apple
>> Voiceover,and Android Talkback.  I played around with voiceover but I
>> was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou
>> know how expensive they have become.  So, that left Android and there
>> are many phones in all price ranges that you can use.  I bought a very
>> inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use
>> Talkback.  I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I
>> would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was
>> surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard
>> first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually,
>> Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading
>> about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved.  I
>> bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back.  I coud go
>> on but probably by now you have had enough.  But, if you have any other
>> questions, let me know.  Bernie
>>
>> On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it?
>>>
>>> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is
>>> off-topic.
>>>
>>> -Bob Ringwald
>>> r...@ringwald.com
>>>
>>>
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RE: Weather or not issue

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

NVDA does have a version of Eloquence that you can buy from Code factory. I am 
using the SAPI 5 version of Eloquence.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 12:12 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

Thanks Lloyd, however, I am  just a real devotee of my Eloquence Reed voice.



On 2/3/2019 1:11 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
> If you are using Windows 10, you can use NVDA with the new OneCore 
> voices from Microsoft. Not quite as responsive as ESpeak, but the 
> David desktop or mobile voice is not bad, in my opinion.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:39 AM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Weather or not issue
>
> Sure looks like I might be quickly approaching that point. I still need
> to purchase a license for Eloquence, then I might really begin to tackle
> it. Right now, I am able to read my Bookshare books quite well with IE
> and WE to my satisfaction, so guess not in the biggest hurry, but I'm
> beginning to feel the heat .
>
> On 2/3/2019 7:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Larry,
>>
>> If you're open to using NVDA, there is a similar add-on for it called 
>> Weather Plus.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for Windows
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>>  On Behalf 
>> Of Larry Higgins via Talk
>> Sent: February 3, 2019 8:30 AM
>> To: Loy Green via Talk 
>> Cc: Larry Higgins 
>> Subject: Re: Weather or not issue
>>
>> That's what happens here as well. I'm absolutely certain that I no
>> longer have an old .ini file to take potential advantage of. So, guess
>> this is only the beginning .
>>
>> On 2/3/2019 6:36 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
>>> I am getting the same here, however the cities that I have 
>>> previously entered still work.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> Cc: Larry Higgins
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
>>> Subject: Weather or not issue
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a 
>>> solution for
>>> my problem, but here goes anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to 
>>> my list
>>> of weather conditions around the country, but when either 
>>> entering the
>>> city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying 
>>> something
>>> along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that 
>>> nature.
>>> It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get 
>>> the same
>>> error message.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully,
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
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RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes alive. I
was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it had been
the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual source
code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source code? If so
then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have the
whole code. Something to think about.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
Tom


On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
> nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
> 
> thank you for this.
> 
> Curtis Delzer
> HS
> W B 6 H E F
> Rialto, CA
> 
> On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>> In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the 
>> announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. They're 
>> on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
>> Here's the download link.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
>> Regards,
>> Tom
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RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Tom. Great points you bought up. However, something has puzzled me. I
have a friend who uses the JAWS version of Zoom text Fusion and I looked at
the contents of her CD and Window-Eyes is defenatly on the Zoomtext Fusion
for JAWS CD.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 6:32 AM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

Sky,
What happened with Window-Eyes has nothing to do with who was the front 
runner. GW merged with AI and had done an enormous amount of work to 
integrate Window-Eyes with ZoomText to make transitioning from the 
magnifier to a screen reader easier. Then FS walked in and offered a 
pile of cash for the company. Those at the top fought it fiercely. But 
the board saw dollar signs and said yes.
So, FS does own the code. They have no interest in it. And it will never 
see the light of day. First, their egos won't let them show that 
Window-Eyes features could make JAWS a better screen reader. And the way 
the two screen readers are built is very different. The JAWS program is 
just the critical core elements and it depends heavily on scripts for 
every day functionality. Window-Eyes is the opposite; scripts are a 
convenient method to tweak things.
Two Window-Eyes developers are running the show at Microsoft for 
Narrator. So I'm hoping one day it will be a great screen reader. If it 
gets scripting it will certainly be a game changer.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/4/2019 1:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes alive.
I
> was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it had been
> the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual source
> code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source code? If
so
> then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have
the
> whole code. Something to think about.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
> To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.
> 
> Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>> nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
>>
>> thank you for this.
>>
>> Curtis Delzer
>> HS
>> W B 6 H E F
>> Rialto, CA
>>
>> On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the
>>> announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. They're
>>> on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
>>> Here's the download link.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
>>> Regards,
>>> Tom
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RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Also Jeremy Curry is there as well. Your right JAWS does run on its scripts to 
work. While there is and will be a need for scripting, scripting doesn't work 
on everything in JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Butch Bussen via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

Hi Butch,
It's Doug and Jeff Bishop.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/4/2019 10:31 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> Write privately if you want. e-mail is
> but...@shellworld.net
> or
> but...@fairpoint.net
> 
> I know one of those people, curious who the second might be.  Thanks.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> 
>> Sky,
>> What happened with Window-Eyes has nothing to do with who was the 
>> front runner. GW merged with AI and had done an enormous amount of 
>> work to integrate Window-Eyes with ZoomText to make transitioning from 
>> the magnifier to a screen reader easier. Then FS walked in and offered 
>> a pile of cash for the company. Those at the top fought it fiercely. 
>> But the board saw dollar signs and said yes.
>> So, FS does own the code. They have no interest in it. And it will 
>> never see the light of day. First, their egos won't let them show that 
>> Window-Eyes features could make JAWS a better screen reader. And the 
>> way the two screen readers are built is very different. The JAWS 
>> program is just the critical core elements and it depends heavily on 
>> scripts for every day functionality. Window-Eyes is the opposite; 
>> scripts are a convenient method to tweak things.
>> Two Window-Eyes developers are running the show at Microsoft for 
>> Narrator. So I'm hoping one day it will be a great screen reader. If 
>> it gets scripting it will certainly be a game changer.
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 4/4/2019 1:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>>  Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes 
>>> alive.
>>>  I
>>>  was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it 
>>> had been
>>>  the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual 
>>> source
>>>  code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source 
>>> code? If
>>>  so
>>>  then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have
>>>  the
>>>  whole code. Something to think about.
>>>  -Original Message-
>>>  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>>  Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
>>>  To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
>>>  Cc: Tom Kingston
>>>  Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.
>>>
>>>  Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
>>>  Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>>> >  nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
>>> > >  thank you for this.
>>> > >  Curtis Delzer
>>> >  HS
>>> >  W B 6 H E F
>>> >  Rialto, CA
>>> > >  On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> > >  In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the
>>> > >  announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. 
>>> They're
>>> > >  on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
>>> > >  Here's the download link.
>>> > >  https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
>>> > >  Regards,
>>> > >  Tom
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RE: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That's right Tom. Your right. So FS has locked the code up now

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 6:32 AM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.

Sky,
What happened with Window-Eyes has nothing to do with who was the front 
runner. GW merged with AI and had done an enormous amount of work to 
integrate Window-Eyes with ZoomText to make transitioning from the 
magnifier to a screen reader easier. Then FS walked in and offered a 
pile of cash for the company. Those at the top fought it fiercely. But 
the board saw dollar signs and said yes.
So, FS does own the code. They have no interest in it. And it will never 
see the light of day. First, their egos won't let them show that 
Window-Eyes features could make JAWS a better screen reader. And the way 
the two screen readers are built is very different. The JAWS program is 
just the critical core elements and it depends heavily on scripts for 
every day functionality. Window-Eyes is the opposite; scripts are a 
convenient method to tweak things.
Two Window-Eyes developers are running the show at Microsoft for 
Narrator. So I'm hoping one day it will be a great screen reader. If it 
gets scripting it will certainly be a game changer.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/4/2019 1:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Glad the whole WE community is doing all it can to keep Window-Eyes alive.
I
> was thinking about it today and what it would had been like if it had been
> the front runner. Maybe somebody will hopefully pick up the actual source
> code for it and continue development. Does FS now own the source code? If
so
> then why not put more features from WE into JAWS? Maybe they don't have
the
> whole code. Something to think about.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 10:09 PM
> To: Curtis Delzer via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: Update for the Chrome browser enhancements app.
> 
> Glad you like it. Happy surfing.
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 4/4/2019 12:47 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
>> nice one, less confusing for WE for sure.
>>
>> thank you for this.
>>
>> Curtis Delzer
>> HS
>> W B 6 H E F
>> Rialto, CA
>>
>> On 4/3/2019 8:32 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
>>> In this version I added the ability to toggle off and on the
>>> announcements of suggestions in the address bar as you type. They're
>>> on by default. The hot key is F2. The change will be saved.
>>> Here's the download link.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1
>>> Regards,
>>> Tom
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RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. I doubt Vispero will ever put the Window-Eyes code into the public so
others can develop it. What I can say is that JAWS doesn't have much brain
left. That means, they are running out of ideas now.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

Tom, based on the information you shared regarding NVDA scripting, I will
give off every hair on my wee, small head to bring Window-Eyes back to live.
I'm not a programmer, and, indeed, those Custom Control thingies always
threw me off.  On occasions, I succeeded in reclassifying most of them into
Edit Box and got them to work.  But, honestly, I knew not what I did!
Window-Eyes just worked for me ...  It did put food on my dining table,
enabled me to advocate for myself, and also gave me a chance to interact
with some of the most brilliant minds in this assistive/adaptive/accessible
technology field.  I get the same from Android presently; hence the reason
why I want to DITCH WINDOWS and keep on running with my Shiny Android toys!


Window-Eyes was murdered just because it ran circles around its grandiest
enemies.  How I wish the visionaries at GW Micro, Inc. had seen this coming!
But alas, the human angle hardly ever sees what's going wrong until the
pendulum swings and falls, splitting the brain in parts that fall below the
deepest sea!  

No, if I can help it, I don't wish to play ball with Windows10!  A complete
divorce from Windows screen readers is what I seek; right now, legacy
Windows apps used for work still hold me hostage to Windows.  Hopefully, it
won't be long before I can disentangle myself completely.  

I'm playing with an 11.5-inch Android tablet; it is a bit perplexing for me.
Guess that's because of its real estate.  A much bigger space on a
touchscreen to deal with.  Looks somewhat intimidating, but I am pretty sure
I shall conquer it before long.  I am planning on grabbing a 7-inch or
8-inch tablet to play with.  With a tad smaller real estate, the
intimidation should cease and a much larger tablet won't embarrass me much
to much anymore.  As I do this, I am watching all my Windows computers die
so I can send them to their last place in the recycle dump.  

If somehow the Window-Eyes code finds its way back to where more brilliant
minds can weave magic out of it, I'll be all ears!  I also wish that, when
Window-Eyes reincarnates, it can be ported over to Android and thus be a
serious contender to Talkback, VoiceViews, VoiceAssistant, Shine and
Commentary.  I know I'm hallucinating, not just trying to dream of the
impossible; but keeping hope alive is not yet a sin in my books!  

Again, Tom, thanks a ton for your invaluable insights.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Sadly that is true. Fortunately there is no chance Vispero can do that with 
NVDA because NVDA is an open source project so if the developers of that 
project stop development, folks can pick up where the developers left off.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:14 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

I agree, Pam. What a waste. But that's how it works in business. Look at 
the big boys: Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Amazon. They spend hundreds 
of millions every year just buying anything that may be the faintest 
competition so they can throw it away, or, on the rare occasion, 
incorporate it into their lineup.

Regards,
Tom


On 6/29/2019 11:17 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> That's a shame, too, because I think window eyes is the best of them 
> all. Pam.
> 
> -Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:49 PM
> To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Sky Mundell
> Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
> 
> Hello. I doubt Vispero will ever put the Window-Eyes code into the 
> public so
> others can develop it. What I can say is that JAWS doesn't have much brain
> left. That means, they are running out of ideas now.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:20 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on
> 
> Tom, based on the information you shared regarding NVDA scripting, I will
> give off every hair on my wee, small head to bring Window-Eyes back to 
> live.
> I'm not a programmer, and, indeed, those Custom Control thingies always
> threw me off.  On occasions, I succeeded in reclassifying most of them into
> Edit Box and got them to work.  But, honestly, I knew not what I did!
> Window-Eyes just worked for me ...  It did put food on my dining table,
> enabled me to advocate for myself, and also gave me a chance to interact
> with some of the most brilliant minds in this assistive/adaptive/accessible
> technology field.  I get the same from Android presently; hence the reason
> why I want to DITCH WINDOWS and keep on running with my Shiny Android toys!
> 
> 
> Window-Eyes was murdered just because it ran circles around its grandiest
> enemies.  How I wish the visionaries at GW Micro, Inc. had seen this 
> coming!
> But alas, the human angle hardly ever sees what's going wrong until the
> pendulum swings and falls, splitting the brain in parts that fall below the
> deepest sea!
> 
> No, if I can help it, I don't wish to play ball with Windows10!  A complete
> divorce from Windows screen readers is what I seek; right now, legacy
> Windows apps used for work still hold me hostage to Windows.  Hopefully, it
> won't be long before I can disentangle myself completely.
> 
> I'm playing with an 11.5-inch Android tablet; it is a bit perplexing for 
> me.
> Guess that's because of its real estate.  A much bigger space on a
> touchscreen to deal with.  Looks somewhat intimidating, but I am pretty 
> sure
> I shall conquer it before long.  I am planning on grabbing a 7-inch or
> 8-inch tablet to play with.  With a tad smaller real estate, the
> intimidation should cease and a much larger tablet won't embarrass me much
> to much anymore.  As I do this, I am watching all my Windows computers die
> so I can send them to their last place in the recycle dump.
> 
> If somehow the Window-Eyes code finds its way back to where more brilliant
> minds can weave magic out of it, I'll be all ears!  I also wish that, when
> Window-Eyes reincarnates, it can be ported over to Android and thus be a
> serious contender to Talkback, VoiceViews, VoiceAssistant, Shine and
> Commentary.  I know I'm hallucinating, not just trying to dream of the
> impossible; but keeping hope alive is not yet a sin in my books!
> 
> Again, Tom, thanks a ton for your invaluable insights.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
> 
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RE: good deal on open book

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

It's still on Open Book version 9. They haven't updated Open Book in years!

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:50 AM
To: BK via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: good deal on open book

Curious what version?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, BK via Talk wrote:

> If any one is interested, FS, is now selling open book for $125, it's a
> special sale or something. I bought a copy last week. Oh, and you have
> to download it. They don't send you a disk.
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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yup. Although MS didn't buy WE to put into the OS, it got the GW Micro 
employees.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 5:25 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Glad to see Jeremy is with Microsoft, I think Doug is there to somewhere. 
Narrator keeps getting better and better, it may not be window eyes but it sure 
has that feel to it.
Brenda

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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Oh yes. Your right about that. Microsoft should have bought Window-Eyes then
none of the mergers would have happened, Window-Eyes would have been the top
screen reader in the world, JAWS would have dropped considerably, and we
wouldn't have been in this situation with Vispero discontinuing it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 6:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; Microsoft
should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.  If it had, it
would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years ago and would not need
to reinvent the wheels.

I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, I'm
sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping Microsoft
to do the right thing!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yup. Totally agree with you. It was painful indeed and your right we can't 
change the fast but we can hope for the future. Even JAWS is on the way out 
because it too is a legacy product and there is nothing new or interesting in 
it that interests me.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 8:39 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

I wonder if W-E would have just been absorbed sooner had Microsoft bought them 
years ago. I can’t see Microsoft letting W-E be a standalone program. Maybe GW 
micro knew this and did not want to lose control of the program to Microsoft.

The whole thing was very painful but maybe in the long run it will be a good 
thing because narrator may soon become as good as window eyes and maybe even 
better and if so, it will be included in Windows so no one will have to pay 
extra for it.

We can’t change the past, but there is hope for the future. (I just wish we had 
the W-E support people to call when we needed help.) 


Brenda





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> On Jul 6, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; Microsoft
> should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.  If it had, it
> would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years ago and would not need
> to reinvent the wheels.
> 
> I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, I'm
> sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping Microsoft
> to do the right thing!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Well, they defenatly are putting their prices up high

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 11:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

 You said that JAWS is on the way out because there is nothing in it that 
interests you.  Are you speaking that it is on the way out of the market?  
Unless Narrator or NVDA releases something huge of the next few updates  I 
don't think that JAWS is on the way out.
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 12:23 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Yup. Totally agree with you. It was painful indeed and your right we can't 
change the fast but we can hope for the future. Even JAWS is on the way out 
because it too is a legacy product and there is nothing new or interesting in 
it that interests me.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 8:39 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

I wonder if W-E would have just been absorbed sooner had Microsoft bought them 
years ago. I can’t see Microsoft letting W-E be a standalone program. Maybe GW 
micro knew this and did not want to lose control of the program to Microsoft.

The whole thing was very painful but maybe in the long run it will be a good 
thing because narrator may soon become as good as window eyes and maybe even 
better and if so, it will be included in Windows so no one will have to pay 
extra for it.

We can’t change the past, but there is hope for the future. (I just wish we had 
the W-E support people to call when we needed help.) 


Brenda





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> On Jul 6, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; 
> Microsoft should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.  
> If it had, it would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years 
> ago and would not need to reinvent the wheels.
> 
> I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, 
> I'm sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping 
> Microsoft to do the right thing!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Oh yes. I defenatly have.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 11:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

That's true but have you also seen the home annual license?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 2:28 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Well, they defenatly are putting their prices up high

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 11:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

 You said that JAWS is on the way out because there is nothing in it that 
interests you.  Are you speaking that it is on the way out of the market?  
Unless Narrator or NVDA releases something huge of the next few updates  I 
don't think that JAWS is on the way out.
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 12:23 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Yup. Totally agree with you. It was painful indeed and your right we can't 
change the fast but we can hope for the future. Even JAWS is on the way out 
because it too is a legacy product and there is nothing new or interesting in 
it that interests me.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 8:39 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

I wonder if W-E would have just been absorbed sooner had Microsoft bought them 
years ago. I can’t see Microsoft letting W-E be a standalone program. Maybe GW 
micro knew this and did not want to lose control of the program to Microsoft.

The whole thing was very painful but maybe in the long run it will be a good 
thing because narrator may soon become as good as window eyes and maybe even 
better and if so, it will be included in Windows so no one will have to pay 
extra for it.

We can’t change the past, but there is hope for the future. (I just wish we had 
the W-E support people to call when we needed help.) 


Brenda





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> On Jul 6, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; 
> Microsoft should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.
> If it had, it would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years 
> ago and would not need to reinvent the wheels.
> 
> I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, 
> I'm sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping 
> Microsoft to do the right thing!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Nice! I think I know your friend Tom. Isn't your friend Jerry Haliton, AKA Slau?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 5:57 PM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

No, Narrator does not yet compare to Window-Eyes, NVDA, or JAWS. But a 
lot of work has been done on it and it is a pretty capable screen reader 
for the average user today. And be it that both Doug Geoffray and Ron 
Parker (the two main developers from GW-Micro) are there, I assume 
they're looking to do a little more than give it a facelift.

The real problem was Bill Gates. Our needs had no priority all the years 
he was at the helm. Most of what was done for accessibility was done 
under pressure from differing directions. However, since Satya Nadella 
took over the helm, accessibility became a real priority and there has 
been a sweeping change across the entire enterprise on awareness and 
incorporating accessibility into the development process. There has been 
an enormous amount of work done on accessibility in product lines such 
as Office and the Visual Studio programming environment.

Whether one purchases or subscribes to Office is their choice. For some 
(blind or not) the small monthly or annual payments is the difference 
between getting it and not getting it.

Microsoft will never sell Narrator. They would be publicly shamed. And 
the market is too small to make a difference to a company that large anyway.

I'm not a fan of Apple's VoiceOver. But it is scriptable in some manner. 
I have a friend who owns a recording studio in New York city and is 
running purely on Macs. That is work that is far beyond that of the 
average user.

So, from my perspective, the world isn't quite so bleak and out to get us.


On 7/7/2019 10:07 AM, David via Talk wrote:
> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful.
> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so
> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to
> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple.
> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these
> even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a
> certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are
> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities.
> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of
> them.
> 
> 
> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS,
> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we
> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much
> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you
> don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but
> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single
> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have
> bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped
> with it for the next 5 or 10 years.
> 
> 
> My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a somehow
> working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform anything much
> more than just read the screen to you, you will be offered to pay $19.95
> a month; or, in case you want the Professional version with some basic
> scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month.
> 
> 
> I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great to
> see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years.
> Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot.
> And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer,
> which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. Hence,
> whatever good the screen reader might be on your cellphone or tablet,
> will you please consider comparing your activity on these units, as well
> as your productivity - and then come back telling me these screen
> readers are to be compared with WinEyes for one. But if now, Google and
> Apple - both being really big industries, and even somehow passed by
> Microsoft in market sharing - has never got anything better than this,
> why would you expect Microsoft to be. As MS are loosing market, they
> doubtfully will put too much into a screen reader. After all, it is not
> the screen reader that will sell. On the other hand, as Google and Apple
> has climbed the ladder of the market, you would somehow have expected
> them to have invested more in their screen readers. What is it you think
> MS will be doing different?
> 
> 
> Sorry, I did not mean to be critical, or to put anyone down. I just
> meant to point out the realities of today. Business is business; and it
> is all about money. As the electronic devices have dropped in price,
> noo

RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Nice! Is their a website where I can go and look up his studio? And does he 
make a living as a recording engineer?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:12 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Hey Sky,

Slau is indeed the man at the B Flat recording studio. I met him 
probably twenty-some years ago.

Regards,
Tom


On 7/7/2019 9:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Nice! I think I know your friend Tom. Isn't your friend Jerry Haliton, AKA 
> Slau?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 5:57 PM
> To: David via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
> 
> No, Narrator does not yet compare to Window-Eyes, NVDA, or JAWS. But a
> lot of work has been done on it and it is a pretty capable screen reader
> for the average user today. And be it that both Doug Geoffray and Ron
> Parker (the two main developers from GW-Micro) are there, I assume
> they're looking to do a little more than give it a facelift.
> 
> The real problem was Bill Gates. Our needs had no priority all the years
> he was at the helm. Most of what was done for accessibility was done
> under pressure from differing directions. However, since Satya Nadella
> took over the helm, accessibility became a real priority and there has
> been a sweeping change across the entire enterprise on awareness and
> incorporating accessibility into the development process. There has been
> an enormous amount of work done on accessibility in product lines such
> as Office and the Visual Studio programming environment.
> 
> Whether one purchases or subscribes to Office is their choice. For some
> (blind or not) the small monthly or annual payments is the difference
> between getting it and not getting it.
> 
> Microsoft will never sell Narrator. They would be publicly shamed. And
> the market is too small to make a difference to a company that large anyway.
> 
> I'm not a fan of Apple's VoiceOver. But it is scriptable in some manner.
> I have a friend who owns a recording studio in New York city and is
> running purely on Macs. That is work that is far beyond that of the
> average user.
> 
> So, from my perspective, the world isn't quite so bleak and out to get us.
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2019 10:07 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful.
>> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so
>> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to
>> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple.
>> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these
>> even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a
>> certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are
>> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities.
>> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of
>> them.
>>
>>
>> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS,
>> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we
>> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much
>> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you
>> don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but
>> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single
>> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have
>> bought the full-fledged version. And did you buy, you could have camped
>> with it for the next 5 or 10 years.
>>
>>
>> My guess is, that you at the best will see MS coming out with a somehow
>> working Narrator.And then, should you want it to perform anything much
>> more than just read the screen to you, you will be offered to pay $19.95
>> a month; or, in case you want the Professional version with some basic
>> scripting like Jaws - let's charge you $39.95 a month.
>>
>>
>> I've been using Android for a little now, and have to say it is great to
>> see the screen reader has improved over the last handful of years.
>> Still, a simple thing like browsing the net, TalkBack lacks a whole lot.
>> And, there are a few things that you might want to do on a computer,
>> which you do not necessarily see fit on your small mobil device. Hence,
>> whatever g

RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Does he still make his living at the studio?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:43 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Hmm. I thought I had a link to his site. But I haven't been there in 
ages and couldn't find it. We mainly talked on and off a mailing list. 
Sorry about that.
But yes, he made his living at the studio.

On 7/7/2019 10:14 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Nice! Is their a website where I can go and look up his studio? And does he 
> make a living as a recording engineer?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 7:12 PM
> To: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Cc: Tom Kingston
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
> 
> Hey Sky,
> 
> Slau is indeed the man at the B Flat recording studio. I met him
> probably twenty-some years ago.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2019 9:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Nice! I think I know your friend Tom. Isn't your friend Jerry Haliton, AKA 
>> Slau?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 5:57 PM
>> To: David via Talk
>> Cc: Tom Kingston
>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility
>>
>> No, Narrator does not yet compare to Window-Eyes, NVDA, or JAWS. But a
>> lot of work has been done on it and it is a pretty capable screen reader
>> for the average user today. And be it that both Doug Geoffray and Ron
>> Parker (the two main developers from GW-Micro) are there, I assume
>> they're looking to do a little more than give it a facelift.
>>
>> The real problem was Bill Gates. Our needs had no priority all the years
>> he was at the helm. Most of what was done for accessibility was done
>> under pressure from differing directions. However, since Satya Nadella
>> took over the helm, accessibility became a real priority and there has
>> been a sweeping change across the entire enterprise on awareness and
>> incorporating accessibility into the development process. There has been
>> an enormous amount of work done on accessibility in product lines such
>> as Office and the Visual Studio programming environment.
>>
>> Whether one purchases or subscribes to Office is their choice. For some
>> (blind or not) the small monthly or annual payments is the difference
>> between getting it and not getting it.
>>
>> Microsoft will never sell Narrator. They would be publicly shamed. And
>> the market is too small to make a difference to a company that large anyway.
>>
>> I'm not a fan of Apple's VoiceOver. But it is scriptable in some manner.
>> I have a friend who owns a recording studio in New York city and is
>> running purely on Macs. That is work that is far beyond that of the
>> average user.
>>
>> So, from my perspective, the world isn't quite so bleak and out to get us.
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/2019 10:07 AM, David via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, let it be Narrator might eventually turn into something useful.
>>> And forebare with me, I have not tested anything later than Win8.1, so
>>> perhaps it is already getting into something basic. Google managed to
>>> have a somehow working screen reader, and what I hear, so did Apple.
>>> Still, I think very few people will agree, should we claim any of these
>>> even close to the standard of things like Jaws, Win-Eyes, and to a
>>> certain degree NVDA. For one thing, those screen readers that are
>>> included with the OS, lack a good deal of personalization capabilities.
>>> I am not aware you can built any kind of Scripts or add-ons to either of
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Besides, dreaming that Microsoft would let all be part of the OS,
>>> without charging their users; seem not too much to rely on, should we
>>> judge from history. OK, they could change their schemes, and very much
>>> welcome to do that. But look what they have done with Office. Sure, you
>>> don't have to pay them a check of a couple of hundred dollars, but
>>> rather they are going to feed at your credit card table every single
>>> month. In about two years, you have subscribe enough that you could have
>>> bought the full-fledged version. And did yo

RE: window-eyes in safe mode

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Butch. NVDA works in Safemode too. What WE is doing is it has
installed a reg file that works in safe mode that works with all screen
readers. I'm not sure where you can get this registry file but if you google
it you should be able to find it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 8:30 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

Thanks, that did the trick.  Once in safe mode, I deleted the avast 
folder.  I also ran msconfig and unchecked it in the startup tab.  Once 
back in normal windows, be sure you tell msconfig to start in normal 
mode, I went to add remove prograams.  Avast was still listed, but when 
I tried to uninstall it, it failed of course and asked me if I wanted it 
removed from the list.  Sure glad we works in safe mode.  Thanks again 
for everyone's help.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, net bat via Talk wrote:

> what windows version?
> first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up

> once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the
drop 
> down menu and check run in safe mode.
>
> if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and
press 
> enter. there is no speech for these menus.
> windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the
windows 
> settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you have to
go 
> back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and reboot.
> -Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
> To: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Cc: Butch Bussen
> Subject: window-eyes in safe mode
>
> I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
> avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
> a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there.  Is it f 7
> or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
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RE: Is there another jaws email list?

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That's true they have indeed hired lots of the folks from GW Micro to make it 
better.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 2:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Is there another jaws email list?

I am liking it. It has much improved. Microsoft has hired some of the people 
from GWMicro who now are working in accessibility.
- Original Message - 
From: "Brenda via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Brenda" 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Is there another jaws email list?


>I would like to know what window eyes users think of narrator with windows 
>10. I know it is never going to replace window eyes but it sure seems 
>pretty decent, and I’m liking it better than Jaws. Just wondering what 
>other people think.
> Brenda
>
> Dictated and sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I still use window-eyes and when I can't use n v d a.  There a few 
>> strange things that show up with window-eyes that don't with n v d a. 
>> Still by far my favorite.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT 
>>> ALWAYS
>>> ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.
>>>
>>> All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to 
>>> completely
>>> part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Olusegun
>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>
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RE: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Actually the website is still online and it says 2020 AI Squared.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

That site has not been active for a couple of years since Freedom Scientific 
purchased ZoomText and Window Eyes.
Window Eyes is no longer available unless you get it from a former 
user.- Original Message - 
From: "Armando Vias via Talk" 
To: 
Cc: "Armando Vias" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes


> Hey all.
>
> This is my first post.
>
> For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it 
> is 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is 
> corrupted. I am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?
>
> Armando
>
>
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RE: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello David. Yes the Window-Eyes for office deal did have the certification 
fix. I think he is interested to see what Window-Eyes was like.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of David via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Most definitely, it will be corrupted. The WinEyes distribution used to 
take up most of a CDROM. Even this yesterday, I was tiding up my 
computer, and came across the installation download for the screen 
reader. It is actually more like 600MB, or just over half a Gigabyte.


What I do wonder, is if the 83 bytes you downloaded, might be just the 
link to some place on the net, holding an old demo version of the file. 
If you tried to rename the download of yours, to something ending in 
.txt, maybe you could open it and see if such is the case. My next 
guess, and probably the most believable, is that the servers now have 
been loaded with fake links. That is, they may have deleted the actual 
files from the servers, and replaced it with some short goble. Seen that 
happen before.


True, GW Micro, the originator of the screen reader, used to offer a 
30minute demo version. In its basics, it used to be a fully functioning 
version of the screen reader, which would have needed a purchased key to 
unlock the time limitation. You could run it completely as normal, just 
had to restart the computer every 30 minutes. As a matter of fact, that 
is how I got in touch with WinEyes bak in the days.


Now, you say you got your download from the "place where they offered 
it". I just wonder if you then mean, from the original WinEyes homepage, 
or was it from the WinEyes For Office website. WinEyes for Office was a 
cooperation between GW Micro, and Microsoft - and has been discontinued 
for the last couple of years. Likely, if you try downloading that 
version, you will find little help. To what extend there will be any 
demo left on the original homepage of the screen reader, I am not aware. 
After all, why would they, since the screen reader was discontinued back 
in 2017. Of course, you might search the net for something like:

 Window-Eyes download Demo

and see if someone would happen to have something lingering on their 
server. Or, maybe some listers will happen to have some demo hanging 
around. But due to the fact you are running Win10, it will have to be 
one of the latest version, otherwise it will not work. Besides, just 
prior to discontinuing the whole product, they released an update that 
took care of some certification issue with newer flavors of the Operativ 
System. So really not sure an old demo will even run on computers now 
aday. And I do not know if they ever released any demo with the new 
certificate, since the product practically already was out of business. 
Did the WinEyes for Office come with the new certificate? Question for 
those of you who ran that version.


Sorry I could not help you, but at least that is something to chew on. 
Hope others might have something hanging around on their hard drive, 
that could give you a try-go with the screen reader. Do you mind me 
asking, why would you like to test the screen reader? Id there anything 
in particular you are looking for?


David

On 2/25/2020 12:01 AM, Armando Vias via Talk wrote:
> I got it from the website. It was the website that you usually get the window 
> eyes software. I would like to try it out.
>
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>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Whatever it is, it must be corrupted, because it would have to be more than 
>> 83 bytes.  Where did you get it from, now that there is no more window eyes? 
>> Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Armando Vias via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Cc: Armando Vias
>> Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
>>
>> Hey all.
>>
>> This is my first post.
>>
>> For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it is 
>> 83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is corrupted. I 
>> am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?
>>
>> Armando
>>
>>
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RE: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Sadly. There isn't

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Armando Vias via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:09 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Armando Vias
Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Is there a website that I can download a copy of the Window Eyes before it was 
discontinued?

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> On Feb 24, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello David. Yes the Window-Eyes for office deal did have the certification 
> fix. I think he is interested to see what Window-Eyes was like.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of David via Talk
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:33 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes
> 
> Most definitely, it will be corrupted. The WinEyes distribution used to 
> take up most of a CDROM. Even this yesterday, I was tiding up my 
> computer, and came across the installation download for the screen 
> reader. It is actually more like 600MB, or just over half a Gigabyte.
> 
> 
> What I do wonder, is if the 83 bytes you downloaded, might be just the 
> link to some place on the net, holding an old demo version of the file. 
> If you tried to rename the download of yours, to something ending in 
> .txt, maybe you could open it and see if such is the case. My next 
> guess, and probably the most believable, is that the servers now have 
> been loaded with fake links. That is, they may have deleted the actual 
> files from the servers, and replaced it with some short goble. Seen that 
> happen before.
> 
> 
> True, GW Micro, the originator of the screen reader, used to offer a 
> 30minute demo version. In its basics, it used to be a fully functioning 
> version of the screen reader, which would have needed a purchased key to 
> unlock the time limitation. You could run it completely as normal, just 
> had to restart the computer every 30 minutes. As a matter of fact, that 
> is how I got in touch with WinEyes bak in the days.
> 
> 
> Now, you say you got your download from the "place where they offered 
> it". I just wonder if you then mean, from the original WinEyes homepage, 
> or was it from the WinEyes For Office website. WinEyes for Office was a 
> cooperation between GW Micro, and Microsoft - and has been discontinued 
> for the last couple of years. Likely, if you try downloading that 
> version, you will find little help. To what extend there will be any 
> demo left on the original homepage of the screen reader, I am not aware. 
> After all, why would they, since the screen reader was discontinued back 
> in 2017. Of course, you might search the net for something like:
> 
> Window-Eyes download Demo
> 
> and see if someone would happen to have something lingering on their 
> server. Or, maybe some listers will happen to have some demo hanging 
> around. But due to the fact you are running Win10, it will have to be 
> one of the latest version, otherwise it will not work. Besides, just 
> prior to discontinuing the whole product, they released an update that 
> took care of some certification issue with newer flavors of the Operativ 
> System. So really not sure an old demo will even run on computers now 
> aday. And I do not know if they ever released any demo with the new 
> certificate, since the product practically already was out of business. 
> Did the WinEyes for Office come with the new certificate? Question for 
> those of you who ran that version.
> 
> 
> Sorry I could not help you, but at least that is something to chew on. 
> Hope others might have something hanging around on their hard drive, 
> that could give you a try-go with the screen reader. Do you mind me 
> asking, why would you like to test the screen reader? Id there anything 
> in particular you are looking for?
> 
> 
> David
> 
>> On 2/25/2020 12:01 AM, Armando Vias via Talk wrote:
>> I got it from the website. It was the website that you usually get the 
>> window eyes software. I would like to try it out.
>> 
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RE: Some browser keys not working

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Tony. Can you explain to me what JAWS is not doing seenlessly?

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of tony 
c via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:53 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: Some browser keys not working

Hi, Yep! I’m angry about it too. Jaws just doesn’t work nearly as seamlessly as 
WE did. And, FS sucks.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:44 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze the  very 
life out of it while there is still time.


As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was planning to 
purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was 
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made aware 
of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen reader 
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm still 
very angry about that.


Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
> I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon in a 
> windows update IE will be removed altogether which at that time will just 
> about finish of windoweyes.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: Mike via Talk
> Cc: Larry Higgins
> Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working
>
> Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be,
> are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
> think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
> common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little
> miracle, you might say.
>
>
> I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make
> sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
> separately from the version presently on your system.
>
>
> Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know
> it did .
>
> On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
>> Hello Larry
>>
>>
>> Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
>> Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
>> version.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>>
>> Mike.
>>
>> On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you
>>> might want  to just give this a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
>>> this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely
>>> sure how often.
>>>
>>>
>>> What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
>>> offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June
>>> 30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could
>>> find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
>>> But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
>>> came alive.
>>>
>>>
>>> A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs
>>> that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might
>>> have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with
>>> for this working as well as it did.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

 Hello Everyone

 I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new
 machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.

   I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys
 to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links,
 C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to
 find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit
 boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same
 result.  My other machines are both working normally.

   Any suggestions would be appreciated

Mike

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RE: Microsoft Edge Personal

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

That's amazing! It still shows the power of the program.

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of
Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: July 9, 2020 6:43 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: Microsoft Edge Personal

Hello,

 

With this latest update of Windows 10, I was very pleasantly surprised to
see that Edge is very much changed.  

 

I know this was coming but I didn't initiate the download to install the
most current version prior to this latest Windows Update.

 

I was amazed! To find that when I navigated to a site which causes IE to
kind of do a huge deep knees bend!

 

Edge brought up the site up and now we can navigate with what seems to be
the majority, if not all of the navigation keys that we'd typically use in
IE.

 

Window-Eyes isn't dead yet!  It performed awesomely!

 

I'm still using Window-Eyes for Office as well which isn't quite as
up-to-date as the last version.

 

 

 

 

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RE: Going Way back even earlier than Butch

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

OH OK are you using an old Windows 3.1 machine or is it a virtual machine?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 4:54 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: Going Way back even earlier than Butch

Hi listers:

 

I just got Windows 3.1 running and installed Window-Eyes 3.1 with Text
Assist in DosBox using their SoundBlaster 16 emulation and it doesn't sound
too bad.

 

One thing I'm curious about, though is volume.

 

Every time I bring Windows up when WE is using Text Assist, the volume keeps
getting lower and lower, until one can hardly hear it.  You can't use
Window-Eyes's volume keystrokes to change it.  I might be able to get
CTMixer to do it, but, I'll need a little sighted help to see if the
keyboard can be used for this.  I think I can turn up the main volume and
it'll work correctly, but, I may have to do it every time.

 

Funny, though, if I use KeyNote gold MultiMedia, it doesn't do that.

 

Anyone remember a problem like this?

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RE: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Very Good Joseph! Love it! How did you get Window-Eyes 3.1 installed on
windows 3.1?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Subject: A little sound from the past, sort-of.

Crank up your stereo and check this Wav file out.

 

It's Window-Eyes 3.1, running under Windows 3.1, and it's using Text Assist.

 

I even unload Window-Eyes and let Text-Assist do one of it's singing demo
files.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdv7xg5092ltol1/command_000.wav?dl=1

 

Enjoy!

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RE: JAWS Error Message

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

No I haven't experienced that error.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Terry Eagle via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 5:14 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Terry Eagle
Subject: JAWS Error Message

Hi, does anyone else  get an audible message that says, "JAWS touch input
error, restart JAWS".  And adds, if this continues contact Freedom
Scientific.

 

It prevents many keyboard commands being used.

 

It most often occurs upon computer start-up or restart.  I am using JAWS
2021.

 

Thank you.

 

Terry  



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Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello David. I hate to break it to you, but I don’t think there is a way to fix 
the problem.
Speaking of W.E, I did a petition to Vispero to try to get it back, but it 
probably won’t make a difference. Here it is.
https://www.change.org/p/vispero-petition-to-get-the-window-eyes-screen-reader-back-onto-the-market-b135ee08-520d-4e6d-a4b4-1bd4cfad81ad
Then, after I did the petition, I put the petition on the audio games.net forum
https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/47955/why-i-did-the-petition-to-get-the-windoweyes-screen-reader-back/

https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/41363/petition-to-get-windoweyes-screen-reader-back-onto-the-market/
> On Mar 21, 2023, at 9:51 AM, David Hoff Jr via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have the latest version of WE (9.5.4.0), install several years ago, on
> Windows 7. About a week ago I started getting a notice at bootup that I
> have an evaluation copy only and should contact  the I Square office.
> 
> So far this is just an irritant, but I am concerned it may stop working
> in the near future. Has anyone else had a similar problem and if so what
> is the sollution?  Is it possibly a Microsoft Windows 7 update that is
> causing the problem and if so which update?
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
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RE: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

There is a button that you can use to sign it

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 5:50 PM
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Cc: goshawk on horseback 
Subject: Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy
Importance: High

can't seem to find any link or button to sign the petition.

Simon


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To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Sky Mundell" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy


> Hello David. I hate to break it to you, but I don’t think there is a way 
> to fix the problem.
> Speaking of W.E, I did a petition to Vispero to try to get it back, but it 
> probably won’t make a difference. Here it is.
> https://www.change.org/p/vispero-petition-to-get-the-window-eyes-screen-reader-back-onto-the-market-b135ee08-520d-4e6d-a4b4-1bd4cfad81ad
> Then, after I did the petition, I put the petition on the audio games.net 
> forum
> https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/47955/why-i-did-the-petition-to-get-the-windoweyes-screen-reader-back/
>
> https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/41363/petition-to-get-windoweyes-screen-reader-back-onto-the-market/
>> On Mar 21, 2023, at 9:51 AM, David Hoff Jr via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I have the latest version of WE (9.5.4.0), install several years ago, on
>> Windows 7. About a week ago I started getting a notice at bootup that I
>> have an evaluation copy only and should contact  the I Square office.
>>
>> So far this is just an irritant, but I am concerned it may stop working
>> in the near future. Has anyone else had a similar problem and if so what
>> is the sollution?  Is it possibly a Microsoft Windows 7 update that is
>> causing the problem and if so which update?
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
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RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

 it is a matter of semantics.
  >>>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
  >>> in my life on a daily basis.
  >>>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  >>>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
  >>> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
  >>> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
  >>>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion 
  >>> tiresome and annoying.
  >>>  This is just my feeling.
  >>>
  >>>  Respectfully,
  >>>
  >>>  Rod
  >>>
  >>>  -Original Message-
  >>>  From: Talk 
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
  >>> On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  >>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  >>>  To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion 
  >>> List 
  >>>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
  >>>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
  >>>
  >>>  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  >>>  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
  >>>  through other channels.
  >>>  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its 
  >>> offices.
  >>>
  >>>  No news  on the VFO site.
  >>>  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW 
  >>> interface.
  >>>  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
  >>>  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we are
  >>>  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.
  >>>
  >>>  Vaughan.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>>  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement 
  >>> from someone
  >>>  > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to 
  >>> think it's
  >>>  > a option.
  >>>  >
  >>>  > -Original Message-
  >>>  > From: Talk 
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >>>  > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
  >>>  > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
  >>>  > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>>  > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>  >
  >>>  >   Hi there!
  >>>  >
  >>>  > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going 
  >>> away?
  >>>  > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and 
  >>> until I
  >>>  > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I 
  >>> am getting
  >>>  > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over 
  >>> and over.  I
  >>>  > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I 
  >>> just want
  >>>  > to see where all this so called information is actually coming 
  >>> from..?  Have
  >>>  > A Great Day! de
  >>>  >
  >>>  > .
  >>>  >
  >>>  >
  >>>  > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
  >>>  >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice 
  >>> bridge to
  >>>  >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real 
  >>> cheap.
  >>>  >>
  >>>  >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>>  >>> We don't know WE is going away.
  >>>  >>>
  >>>  >>> -Original Message-
  >>>  >>> From: Talk
  >>>  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >>>  >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
  >>>  >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
  >>>  >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>>  >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>  >>>
  >>>  >>> Hi Sky and List
  >>>  >>>
  >>>  >>>
  >&g

RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Vaughan.  Sky here.  Originally, when NVDA started, it wasn't their 
intention to put Window-Eyes, or JAWS out of business. This was back in 2007.  
The only way Window-Eyes could even continue to be updated, being free, was if 
the company was nonprophet and they were relying on donations.  From what I am 
getting, its very difficult to turn a comertial screen reader to a free 
version, and continue to update it, unless they change to a nonprophet.  In 
fact, I remember a interview with Jeremy Curry about 3 years ago on cool blind 
tek and he said that they were going to continue to update Window-Eyes and that 
the updates were going to come much faster than normal, and I was hoping that 
Window-Eyes would become a nonprophet screen reader where you could donate if 
you liked it and so on, just like you can with NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 3:23 PM
To: 'wohlg...@gmail.com'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion

Jim: who is this guy Dave?

I talked recently to a very senior person with VFO, (as have others) and the 
message is essentially no on-going development of Window-Eyes.

Who would buy it anyway?

Most of the recent discussion on this list has been about free screen reader 
solutions of one sort or another. Window-Eyes popularity has been trashed by 
the for Office deal and NVDA. Whilst the for Office plan might have brought 
about a spike in Window-eyes users, it hasn't funded on-going development.   
Those of us who still own Window-Eyes know that it wil function until something 
breaks it.  The longer it is left without development, the greater the 
likelihood that something will break it.

 If the Window-Eyes support list has turned into discussing everything about 
access other than Window-Eyes, this sends to me a signal that no one is 
prepared to buy it.
My admission is that switching to JFW was not based on principle.  It was, and 
is the simple reality that at work, and now at home, it is a better tool for 
me.  People who are talking about free alternatives to Window-eyes and who are 
looking at other platforms are also making pragmatic decisions.

The cause(s) of these mixed messages are VFO PERSONNEL - NOT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF 
WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU.  It was once appropriate to voice concerns and anxieties 
via this list, but as things are showing themselves to be - this list is no 
longer moderated.  If you look at list traffic, it is high volume from a small 
number of people.  It has probably always been that there are many more 
Window-Eyes users than those of us discussing the product on this list.  But if 
we needed another indidcation of the decline in Window-Eyes's future, just 
monitor this list.  The number of participants is not increasing, and the range 
of threads is actulaly narrowing.  These threads are also becoming more off 
topic.

Jim: enjoy your continued use of Window-eyes, but I encourage making plans for 
your continued uninterrupted use of this technology.

Vaughan.






Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Friday, 7 April 2017 10:02 a.m.
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion

Hi there!

It seems as though I have went down this road before, Window-Eyes is still 
being sold at least by the Ai-Squared through VFO or whatever they're called 
now,and yes I talked to Dave from Ai-Squared just a few days ago. He Assured me 
that Window-Eyes was still alive and kicking for the forseeable future.  So 
until I get the word from someone official I willo continue to correct these 
missplace messages.  Don't want to ruffle to many feathers but mine are 
getting ruffled by all this supposed miss-imformation!

THANKS & Have A Great Day!

de .


On 06-Apr-17 17:14, net bat via Talk wrote:
> yes, but whats to talk about?
> most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped
> selling w e.
> their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to
> death and not bringing in any money.
> jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer
> for it to die.
> there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people
> that use them.
> 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job,
> with the70 percent unemployment rate?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM
> To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion
>
> Isn't this a window eyes list?  How are apple devices now window eyes?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

RE: future of window-eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Joe.  I personally have not encountered those problems with
Window-Eyes.  I am still on office 2010.  A lot of the problems that people
have with Window-Eyes is crashing, but there is a way to fix it.  The way to
fix it is to install Window-Eyes with no virus, spyware, or what have you,
running.  Also,  it isn't recommended to have any bloatware on your machine
when using Window-Eyes.  I run Window-Eyes on both my desktop and laptop
computers and it runs like a charm on them, and it takes 5 seconds to boot
up, as I have an SSD drive in both of them.  Before I had the SSD drive in
my laptop, it took 20 minutes  for Window-Eyes to start.  Now it takes 5
seconds now, due to the SSD drive.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:09 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future of window-eyes

I listened to part of the main menu podcast the other day and I was
surprised at how little was said about the future of window eyes. For now,
the word is that nothing is changing. I don't know what that means! I just
don't want to get caught not having the things I need to do the work I need
to do. Outlook 2016 is just not working for me and I am not not not going
back to best buy because they keep putting things on my computer that I
don't want. I am up-to-date with window eyes and I still have an SM a left.
I have no idea what's going to happen to that! Just my take on things. I
might make the switch.

Jo Taliaferro 

On Apr 7, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via
Talk  wrote:

Tony and Vaughan, I am in your shoes!  The podcast in question HAD SCANT
information about Window-Eyes!  In fact, it seemed as if the statement made
was COERCED or somewhat FORCED out of the mouth of the interviewee.  

For me to believe that Window-Eyes is alive, I shall have to see either the
same, or something close to the same kind of service I once had with GW
Micro.  If that's not the case, then, obviously Window-Eyes is dead and it's
only a matter of time before its funeral is announced and we can bring grave
flowers and also kick dirt over its grave!  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: A great article for those considering a Mac.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I've read that article myself.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 10:31 AM
To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A great article for those considering a Mac.

Thanks much for this.
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 11:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: A great article for those considering a Mac.

This is by Jonathan Mosen, a very experienced user of virtually every
accessibility option available to us. It is a knowledgeable first hand
long term experiential article that will tell you a lot more than the
wishful thinking in this thread.
http://mosen.org/saying-goodbye-to-the-mac/
Hth,
Tom
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RE: Crossing over to the other side

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Same here.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Ivan Cribb via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 10:49 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Crossing over to the other side

Dear Pam,
My attitude completely!
Ivan Cribb

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+icribb=iinet.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2017 7:39 AM
To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Crossing over to the other side

I won't switch unless and until I have to.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 2:11 PM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dave
Subject: Re: Crossing over to the other side

Why does it seem that so many here are rushing to switch? I understand
the concerns of having outdated technology, but even in a worst case
scenario, WE still works.

On 4/8/2017 12:27 PM, Charles Adkins via Talk wrote:
> haven't gone over to the other side yet, waiting to see if any deals come 
> up. Thought about downloading the demo  and playing with it, but I'm not 
> ready to give and yet smile I have heard no good comments at all about the

> jaws tech-support experience. I myself love the window eyes tech-support. 
> that being said, I loved my next-door neighbors old Nash LOL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Dave via Talk  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, but I too have a "Lack of Cash" issue, and what I have will not
>> be enough to go out and buy the latest edition of JAWS.   
>> I'm going to need to wait for a Super Upgrade Deal coming from VFO to
>> all Window Eyes users.Something like a "Blind Convention" pricing
>> would be nice.
>>
>> Other than that, I too will be using Window Eyes for as long aspossible.
>> I have been slowly learning NVDA, which just does not do everything I
>> need, but it will have to do if Window Eyes is never updated to keep up
>> with the Next Windows Versions.
>>
>> I figure I can keep using WE 9.5 for at least another two years, and
>> maybe longer.So VFO has time to do what ever it will do, and NVDA
>> seems to be adjusting and getting more powerful as time goes on.  In two
>> years, NVDA could be even better.
>>
>> I see no need to worry or panic at this time.
>>
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Dave 
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RE: 9.5.4 very unstable on my HP desktop

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I personally have encountered very few issues with Window-Eyes on the web.
This is because I have an SSD drive in both my laptop and desktop computers
and with the SSD drive, Window-Eyes runs like a charm on both of them.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 3:32 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: 9.5.4 very unstable on my HP desktop

I am writing to inquire whether other list members have observed significant
instability with Window-Eyes 9.5.4 especially on web pages.  
I have an HP desktop running Windows 10 Creator edition.  This instability
was also present with previous windows versions, specifically 8.1 and
Windows 10 anniversary and also 1507.  So it may well be something unique to
this machine.


It is almost the norm rather than the exception that Window-eyes will crash
whenever I launch a web page or search for something on a page, such that I
will then have to restart using alt control w.  I often have to launch Jaws
16 to get the job done.  Today, for example I went to wal-mart.com to search
for an RCA Galileo Pro.  The main Wal-mart page loaded without incident, and
I got to the search box without difficulty.  But as soon as I hit control
shift f and typed RCA Galileo Pro and hit enter, Window-eyes crashed.


Are any of you listers experiencing anything comparable?


Thanks.


Don Roberts


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RE: regarding window eye

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi.  Window-Eyes needs to restart your computer before it can finish the
installation.

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Behalf Of Ravi Paswan via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 10:13 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: regarding window eye

hello list member
please tel me how to complete install the window eye without
restarting  the computer.
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RE: Questions re WE

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right Butch and Brian Hartgen and the script writers won't give
up erming their blood money from JAWS

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 7:11 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Questions re WE

If you want to send me some money, I'll sell you an s m a.  Why wouldn't
they still take your money?  They are laughing all the way to the bank.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Wed, 3 May 2017, Jim via Talk wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> While I don't necessarily disagree, I did talk to someone at VFO and he
told 
> me that the SMAs are still being sold and no they have no real time table,

> but the product is still being created and supported.  Now why we have
heard 
> nothing from them is a damned good question.  All I am saying is
just 
> what I was told.  Perhaps if all the folks that are concerned about the 
> future of Window-Eyes started calling them and voicing their concerns as
well 
> as asking questions, we might all have more answers!  Just a suggestion..!

> Thanks And Have A Great Day! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 03-May-17 16:17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>>  Karyn: It is not worth getting an SMA.
>>
>>  If you like Window-eyes, and if it does what you require as a tool of
your
>>  job, certainly by the latest release, but hold off on the SMA.
Remember:
>>  the SMA is giving someone your money ahead of them supplying the goods.
>>  There is no guarantee as to when or if those future goods will be
>>  supplied.
>>
>>  I think you do need a range of opinions on this topic, and mine is to be
>>  very cautious about committing to an agreement.
>>
>>  Vaughan.
>> 
>> 
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk
>>  [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
>>  Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk
>>  Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2017 1:00 a.m.
>>  To: Window-Eyes list
>>  Subject: Questions re WE
>>
>>  Hello all,
>>
>>  I am back after an extended absence from this list. Sorry to come back
>>  with a bang but I need some answers.
>>
>>  At work I am trying to get my employer to upgrade me to the latest
>>  version.
>>  That's not really the issue right now. The SMA is the issue though and I
>>  need some answers before I press them for that one.
>>
>>  What is the status of Window-Eyes? If it were to go away, what is the
plan
>>  for those of us who use it? Is it even worth getting an SMA right now?
>>
>>  Answers would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
>>  Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and
I.E.
>>  11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10
with
>>  Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
>>  machines.
>>
>>  Join me in supporting the Illinois Council of the Blind through our
>>  GoFundMe page at www.gofundme.com/icb2015.
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

This is just sad.  Nobody knew this would be happening to Window-Eyes when
the office deal happened.  Nobody knew.  Had we known Window-Eyes would be
put into jeperty we would have done something about the situation.  Had more
Window-Eyes users got together and publisised this monopoly, things would be
very different just now.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main
companies did.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and
infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence
demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.
>
>
> Mathew
>
>
>
>
>> On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.
Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it
will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge,
and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does
not as of this time, support either of these programs.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>
>>  If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that
people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
>>
>> They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut
the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
>>
>>
>> b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry
>> reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose
>> Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.
>>
>>
>> C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it
>> is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates
>> and is maintained.
>>
>>
>> D.
>>
>> The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
>> only part
>>
>>   of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able
>>
>>   to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and
>> newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as
>> well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.
>>
>>
>> We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a
>> statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an
official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to
get a VFO tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response
would be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of
Window-Eyes at VFO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that
be. However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He
suspected that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to
Jaws.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He
has heard no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I got a VFO tech
who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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to be bought and sold are legislators.
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that lawsuit
they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November of
2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new president
and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
might eventually get Glaucoma.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


  If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk 
wrote:
  > 
  > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
  > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
  > the cash flow.  
  > 
  > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
  > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
  > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
  > 
  > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
  > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
  > it may not have been enough.  
  > 
  > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
  > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
  > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
  > taken place.  
  > 
  > I too wish it were different.  
  > 
  > Grumpy Dave
  > 
  > 
  > 
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

JAWS does have tech support specialists who are blind as well.  But the
GWMicro owners are sighted as well.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 12:16 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

Sky, you mention the sighted folks at the now VFO, but aren't the GW Mcro
owners sighted?  I know GW had a lot of tech support who were blind and they
knew their stuff and were more helpful than the jaws CSRs.  I'm not sure how
many jaws customer service folks are blind, but they don't seem as helppful.


As for the timeline, maybe VFO wanted AI Squared to merge with GW Micro
first.  When that happened, I thought maybe Window-eyes had a chance - maybe
that is what GW folks thought too.


Just sad that we are hearing things everywhere but directly.







On 5/7/2017 2:47 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that 
> lawsuit they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to 
> destroy Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee 
> Hamilton.  Then, Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over 
> and then, in November of 2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom 
> Scientific.  And then, on June 14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and 
> then, in August of that year, John Blake moved back to upstate New 
> York, with Tom Teerman as the new president and CEO, who is sighted 
> but has family connections to blindness due to glaucoma.  He did say 
> in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma eventually.  So, Richard 
> Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the sighted presidents and 
> CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but might eventually get
Glaucoma.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one 
> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
>- Original Message -
>From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
>Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
>
>If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk 
> 
> wrote:
>>
>> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The
question
>> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the
better
>> the cash flow.
>>
>> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from
the
>> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of
years
>> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
>>
>> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have
done,
>> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even
then,
>> it may not have been enough.
>>
>> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get
much
>> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good
about
>> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what
has
>> taken place.
>>
>> I too wish it were different.
>>
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave 
>>
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

The reason why Ted Henter who origianally created JAWS did it in the first
place was that he wasn't maxamizing his potential with Vert, the dos
product, and he'd tried other screen readers before that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:18 PM
To: Loy via Talk
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

With JAWS wanting to rule the world I am sure they will stop the free Window
Eyes as soon as they legally can.

On 5/7/2017 3:13 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> Microsoft supports the free Window Eyes forOffice, so who knows how long
this will last.
>- Original Message -
>From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 3:57 PM
>Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> 
>Hi Dennis,
> 
>Good question.  It's funny how everyone knows what "support for Office"
means, but perhaps someone would like to explain this.
>This just sounds like more bull.
> 
>Hth,
> 
>Rod
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dennis Long via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 3:07 PM
>To: 'Michael Capelle' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
>Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
>When will office support end?
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Michael Capelle via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:45 AM
>To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
>Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
>this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: Reeva Webb via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
>Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
>...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you
want:
> 
>@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS
Office
>support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
>https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8
> 
>https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354
> 
>that is all.
> 
>"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
>night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of 
> Jericho
> 
>Reeva
> 
>On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
>talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
>While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the
main
>companies did.
> 
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <
>talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and
>infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN
confrence
>demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is
comming.
>>
>>
>> Mathew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let
go.
>Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen,
it
>will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
>developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft
edge,
>and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS
does not
>as of this time, support either of these programs.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Darrell
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>>
>>>  If this does come to fruition, the great thing is
>>> that
>people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
>>>
>>> They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and
cut
>the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
>>>
>>>
>>> b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and
>>> sundry reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they
>>> chose Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.
>>>
>>>
>>> C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes
>>> it is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets
>>> updates and is maintained.
>>>
>>>
>>> D.
>>>
>>> The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
>>> only part
>>>
>>>   of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be
>>> able
>>>
>>>   to keep up with many of 

RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Zoomtext is defenatly superior to MAGic for sure!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

That's because Zoom text is superior to magic, and everybody knows it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
> - Original Message -  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> 
> If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk 
wrote:
> >
> > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
> > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
> > the cash flow.
> >
> > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
> > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
> > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
> >
> > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
> > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
> > it may not have been enough.
> >
> > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
> > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
> > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
> > taken place.
> >
> > I too wish it were different.
> >
> > Grumpy Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > --  > Dave 
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

The next upgrade of Fusion, will be powered by JAWS from what I hear.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 8:33 AM
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

That brings another interesting question up, will zoom text fusion still
survive?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk
 wrote:
> 
> Yep, magic is a joke and fs always knew it was. Is vfo gonna come and take
> we off your pc? No. Realistically, i wouldn't expect any meaningful
updates
> to we from here on out. Vfo bought ai2 for zoomtext straight up.  Actually
> 'cause i'm bored i'm gonna give them a call and ask about my we version of
> zt fusion.
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On May 8, 2017 10:16 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk"

> wrote:
> 
>> Zoomtext is defenatly superior to MAGic for sure!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>> 
>> That's because Zoom text is superior to magic, and everybody knows it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
>>> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> From: Loy via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
>> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
>>> - Original Message -  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>>> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk 
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The
>> question
>>>> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
>>>> the cash flow.
>>>> 
>>>> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from
>> the
>>>> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
>>>> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
>>>> 
>>>> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
>>>> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
>>>> it may not have been enough.
>>>> 
>>>> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get
>> much
>>>> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good
>> about
>>>> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what
>> has
>>>> taken place.
>>>> 
>>>> I too wish it were different.
>>>> 
>>>> Grumpy Dave
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

It would be awesome to have Humanware take Window-Eyes over.  In fact, VFO
might as well hand over Window-Eyes to Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:14 PM
To: 'Peter Duran'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Hi Peter,

Why not two screen readers from VFO.

Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
brand VFO sells.

Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
upgrades!

Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
 
NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
issues!
  
I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
9.54 with little issues.
 
I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
have NVDA as a backup screen reader.
 
Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
alive, Like HumanWare.

So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
instead.

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President 
1611 Clover Lane 
Janesville WI 53545-1388 
Fax: 608-758-7898 
Voice: 608-758-0933 
Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

So GWMicro did have a contract with the federal and state government?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.  

But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and
fell in love, Hinter-Joyce, later Freedom Scientific, just gobbled up
whatever was left of the GSA contracts.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yes.  Had that contract gone through, Window-Eyes would have been at the
top.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:51 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

That is totally correct.


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Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.  

But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and
fell in love, Hinter-Joyce, later Freedom Scientific, just gobbled up
whatever was left of the GSA contracts.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Chris.  Its Sky here.  I will tell you guys that, even before the office
version of Window-Eyes came out, their were even lies told by venders about
it.  For example, some of the venders would say Window-Eyes was going bust,
or that it isn't good, etc, etc, etc, and those factors has never helped
Window-Eyes flourish at all.Even the blind institutions, like CNIB, etc,
would tell lies about Window-Eyes too.   I remember a list member telling me
he had a blazing argument on the talkx email list with a vender and the
vender told him their was no favouritism regarding JAWS and other screen
readers. -Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 8:35 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.

 They may not legally be able to at this point.  There may 
be legal things that might prevent them from making announcements before 
the date that has been decided.  One of the VFO staff isn't going to 
come on here and go s guys, we're killing Window-eyes but don't tell 
anyone.  They're going to make an official announcement.  I am going to 
wait and see what that announcement says, how they plan to take their 
next action and what they decide to do.  If Window-eyes operates on my 
system, which it clearly does, it's not dead.  VFO hasn't made an 
official announcement that it is so in my book, that means it's still 
alive even if it might be in the short term.  We shall wait and see. The 
announcement might not even happen for another year. None of us knows.  
I suppose the speculation will continue until it's time for them to make 
an  announcement.

Until then, we're going round in circles.  i propose ignoring all 
speculation and window-eyes is dead announcements from non-VFO staff.






On 5/9/2017 9:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Wouldn't you think with all this WE is dead talk that someone from VFO 
> would step in and say it ain't so?
>
> On 5/9/2017 8:28 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds like fake news Peter.  I deal in accuracy, so if VFO
>> discontinues WE as of July 1st 2017 (for example), then it is not dead
>> until that date.  I'm sorry if you don't care for reading the truth.
>>
>> On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
>>> Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the 
>>> folks at
>>> GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on?
>>>
>>> Peter Duran
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
>>>
>>>If you're trying to get people to stop using
>>> Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and 
>>> there
>>> has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead.
>>> people will still use it no matter what you say.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
 Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is 
 irrational to
 presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with 
 one a
 lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
 screen-reader wars.

 Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve 
 over time
>>> so
 we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

 Peter Duran

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On
 Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
 To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 Can one be created?

 Vaughan.



 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com]

 On
 Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
 To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

 -Original Message-
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
 To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  
 say
>>> that
 JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
 [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
 Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discuss

RE: switch to Jaws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Lets just wait and see what happens.  There is no official announcement yet
about what is going to happen to Window-Eyes.  Its all just speculation.
That is what it is.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 11:53 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: switch to Jaws

Hello everybody on the list, should I make the switch to Jaws since
Window-Eyes is going away?  Does Jaws have a control panel, you know where
you can allow jaws to not say blank when arrowing down or also from read to
end?  Thanks very much.


Charlie Short


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RE: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right Joseph.  I used a demo copy of Supernova years ago and it was 
a great product to use back them.  Its disappointing to see that they don't 
work with the built in windows male apps as do JAWS, Window-Eyes, and NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 12:08 PM
To: Dennis Long; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

Hi listers:

Well, I don’t think I’ll be recommending SuperNova all that much.  Pricewise, 
you’ll get more bank for your buck if you buy Window-Eyes or JAWS.  The program 
doesn’t seem to work with Windows 10 mail, though I haven’t tried any other 
Windows 10 apps.  With Mail, it’s almost like it isn’t even there.

It uses the Nuance voices, but, Window-Eyes and JAWS are a tad more responsive 
than SuperNova is.

Maybe they’ll surprise us with a major update later this year—I have no idea 
about their update cycle, but, right now, I’d stick with Window-Eyes.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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RE: win eyes to jaws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Daryl.  This is Sky.  I know how you feel about installing JAWS on a
virtual machine.  As of JAWS 16,  Freedom Scientific modified their
authorization scheme so when you change hardware, memory, etc,  JAWS will
stay authorized.  That is a big change, as last year, I got an SSD drive in
my laptop and JAWS ran without needing a reset.  Oh, and the resetting
process for JAWS has changed.  While you can still call up FS to reset and
email them, they have put in a new system where you can just type in your
JAWS serial number, and press enter, and as long as your down to 1 key, or
have no keys, the system will automaticly reset your JAWS keys for you.  So
I just want to correct you on a few things.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:09 AM
To: Armando Maldonado; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: win eyes to jaws

But they are in affect saying that. Have you taken the time to read the JAWS
license agreement? And again, don't install JAWS on a virtual. I've tried
it, and it won't stay authorized.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: wineyes to jaws

I most definitely agree. VFO could have been asses and said screw ya all,
but they didn't. So, let's accept reallity and move on.
Armando
- Original Message -
From: "brice Mijares via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:25 AM
Subject: wineyes to jaws


> I'm not happy wineyes is going away, but I'm surely glad it's not 
> costing me to make the switch to Jaws. I've been slowly learning NVDA, 
> so it will be no bother to slowly  learn Jaws. I just hope there is 
> some good audio learning material. I've been a happy customer of 
> window eyes for nearly 20 years. Will this list continue for us 
> new-bes? I don't think the jaws list will be happy to all the questions
from new-bes!
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Also, another note to add, is that had the blind organisations like CNIB, RNIB, 
etc had given Window-Eyes a chance, none of this would have happened.  Also,  
venders would lie about Window-Eyes, and they would lie about it deliberately.  
For example, one of the list members had a girlfriend and she went to apply for 
a computer, and the asesser told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and he 
recommended JAWS and she told the guy she was under no circumstances taking 
JAWS under any cost.  This was 6 years ago when this happened. These factors 
and lies by venders has never helped Window-Eyes flourish at all.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:18 AM
To: Armando Maldonado; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Yes, and I'll be the first to say it, I told all of you so.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:14 PM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Definitely agree withyou Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Skarstad via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


> time for the i told you so's to begin.
>
> I knew it would probably happen, and as I said, until an official 
> announcement is made, nothing was for sure.  Welp, we got the announcement 
> today. r.i.p.  Window-eyes.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/15/2017 11:14 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> It is still an absolute shame, but then again, a company that lets itself 
>> be bought out, what do you expect?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly, don't tell me that I was speculating.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On May 15, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk 
  wrote:

 We's bright future. Told y'all fake news now?


 "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
 night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of 
 Jericho

 Reeva

 On May 15, 2017 9:14 AM, "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
 
 wrote:

> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
> the
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada
> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed 
> to our
> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software
> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical 
> support
> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> and/or
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately 
> for
> your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing 
> a
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and
> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
> sales
> team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple
> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
> contact you
> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
> information
> if necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-
> eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
> is
> not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> at
> mailto:ord...@v

RE: Thank you

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Thank you Doug, for all that you've done.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:25 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Thank you

Hello Doug.

Just a personal note, in which I acknowledge to you the dignity with which
you've handled the last few months.

I am genuinely sorry that Window-Eyes is no longer a work in progress.  
It is true that I've been at the forefront of the criticism tossed at VFO
regarding its silence on matters pertaining to Window-eyes.

But I can say in all honesty that as I think the first person to benefit
from the VFO offer - it is a good faith one, and it looks as if access
technology and Windows through VFO might be entering a new and exciting
phase.

So again: a personal thanks for how you've been a positive influence in my
life through a great piece of software.

All the very best to you and the family for what is yet to come.

Vaughan.


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RE: switch to Jaws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Vaughn.  Who else is on FSCast with you and Jonathan? Is Doug and
Aaron on there?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:55 PM
To: Bryan Peterson; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

Brian: firstly - I'm reinforcing the points which others have made. This is
not a scam, and Doug and Aaron continue to lead support for Window-eyes at
VFO.

Now for the list.



I agreed with VFO (verbally) that I would not discuss this until VFO
released its official announcement.

I was not coerced into any such agreement, and for the events i'm about to
describe - I was not paid.

Some of you may remember that my third attempt at contactingt VFO was shared
with the list.  I asked for my email to go to a senior person - Chief
Executive or similar.

Now: way back when, as early as July or August, staffers at VFO encouraged
us to write to VFO expressing our concerns, raising suggestions etc.  How
many did that?  And unlike me - how many of you were persistent?




Several days after sending my third email mentioned above, I received
constructive email feedback from Eric Damery, anbd we skyped for about
45 minutes so that VFO could be assured that I would accept its offer.


I was pleased to contribute to the latest FS Cast, in which this offer is
discussed, and i've commented on my early experiences with JAWS.  A list
member took the time to thank me for taking a stand.

Brian and others: if you want to believe this is a scam - it is your 
right to do so.  However:  you  cannot   get away with calling people 
liars. In fact: I am satisfied that Doug fought the good fight on behalf of
long serving Window-Eyes customers.  He at least should be respected for
doing so. Doug and Aaron seem likely to be continuing to work in this
industry.

Taking up the offer is voluntary and in the short term, if you meet its
conditions, JFW won't cost you a thing.



On 5/16/2017 3:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at 
> the same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have 
> to. As for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm 
> pretty sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone 
> free copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen 
> reader I might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because 
> I can't seem to download a demo of the latest version to try before I 
> buy, but also because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that 
> from the twelve years I used it before switching to WE.
>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
> -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: switch to Jaws
>
> I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better
> and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!
>
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
> On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>> I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not 
>> going to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch 
>> to something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will 
>> do much of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop 
>> selling and developping it.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Oh btw guys,  Dave Williams, an AT specialist and trainer using NVDA and now
NVDA certified, used Window-Eyes and he put together a history of
Window-Eyes from GWMicro from 1.0 to the present. I think you'll find it
fascinating. I have it on my computer.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.

I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision - no different than other take-overs.

 

Alison

 

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RE: whole migrating situation

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You get it from
yourdolphin.com

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:28 PM
To: Armando Maldonado; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: whole migrating situation

Where do you get super nova

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: whole migrating situation

Yes I agree with Raul, testing out Screen reader, formally known as Super Nova 
and so far it's okay, much more responsitve than Jaws is in windows 10, just my 
own personal opinion.
- Original Message -
From: "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: whole migrating situation


> Hi Darrell, I believe you have around 4 or 5 options.
>
>
> Let me know if I can be of assistance in helping you find the option 
> which will best fit your needs.
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos
> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 
> 832.554.7285
> Office: 832.639.4477
> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>
> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
> David Thornburg
>
>
> On 5/16/2017 11:53 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Then we have a monopoly, where there is only one option.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree either accept the offer or don't.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
>>> To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
>>>
>>> With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I 
>>> have realized from participating on this list, is the variety of 
>>> needs and experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use 
>>> mouse keys (for example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's 
>>> functionality, so probably any screen reader I use will work for my 
>>> needs or wants, but others need far more than I do.
>>>
>>> No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will 
>>> have to adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive 
>>> or commercial (meaning for the sighted public as well).
>>>
 On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurlander Richard (75)
 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
 To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
 Subject: whole migrating situation

 As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and 
 are using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug 
 and Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that 
 since vfo bought all these other companies that they should tried 
 to make the screen readers as close to each other as possible, not 
 having to have to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you 
 use screen readers you should only have to use arrow keys, tab 
 keys, application keys not use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is 
 a pain in the neck to keep switching and holding down keys. Vfo 
 could have had a window-eyes keyboard layout and the biggest 
 problem also is that Microsoft wants everyone to use Microsoft edge and 
 not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
 I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or 
 listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you 
 think I have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? 
 Where are the cheat sheets that
>>>   c
   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. 
 All
>>> screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff 
>>> that you have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 
>>> Microsoft as well as all screne readers should work with Microsoft 
>>> to help  the blind. The Microsoft people on the accessibility line 
>>> should be trained with all screne readers.
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RE: Learning Jaws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Intresting Vaughn because when I got my copy of Window-Eyes 7.2, they sent me a 
downloadable link and the CD for it. I really am greatful for what GWMicro has 
done for blind people and they should be commended for their efforts.  As far 
as JAWS, when I got JAWS 14 in 2013, I got both a authorisation code and a CD 
but when I upgraded to JAWS 17 for my tech job in 2015, I just got the code 
sent to me electronicly by our local dealer, Canadialog.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:59 PM
To: Amanda Lee; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

You are correct: no physical media.  I didn't ask for it though, so maybe if I  
had ... 

But for me: installing software off  disks is obsolete.It can take six 
weeks for stuff to come here from the States, and I remember being very annoyed 
with the old GW, Ai  over this very point.

But: as we are all having to learn - individual preferences should apply.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 7:58 a.m.
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Unless I mis-understood the sales representative, I was informed that there's 
no media sent that we have to download JAWS.  But yes, with the packaged 
version of JAWS, it does come with nice training materials.  You can download 
the FS Reader training materials though which cover different topics.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:50 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: Learning Jaws

Hi Ted:

There’s good news on this one.

JAWS supplies most of its training materials in DAISY format.  They can be 
downloaded through the FS Reader program which comes with JAWS.The training 
materials are also supplied on the JAWS DVD.There’s over 11 
hours of basic training material available (no, you won’t need to listen to all 
of it).

You can either use FS Reader to play the material or your own DAISY player.

You don’t have to switch between your program and FS Reader to pause, resume, 
rewind or fast-forward.  Here’s a note from their FS Reader getting started 
guide:

Using FSReader with Narrated Audio and Training Materials With FSReader you 
have the ability to play, pause, skip ahead, or skip backwards through narrated 
audio DAISY materials without actually having to be in the FSReader user 
interface. This is GREAT for training purposes. What this means is that you can 
be listening to a DAISY book about training and open a practice document, for 
example, in Microsoft® Word or Internet Explorer, or any other application. You 
can stay in the practice document and still control FSReader audio with this 
feature! You no longer have to press ALT+TAB to move between the FSReader 
program and back again to your practice files. Just stay within the practice 
file, and use the following keystrokes to control the FSReader audio in the 
background (if audio is available in the DAISY book): 

Play or Pause Audio (toggle), CTRL+P
Skip Ahead 5 seconds, CTRL+PERIOD
Skip Back 5 seconds, CTRL+COMMA
NOTE: Since CTRL+P is also normally used as a hot key within applications to 
access the print dialog box, when FSReader is running, this hot key will not 
open the print dialog box. Instead, if FSReader is open in the background, this 
hot key controls the audio play and pause feature. If you need to print a 
document while FSReader is running, use the application's regular menu commands 
to print. Normally, that means just press ALT+F to open the file menu of that 
program and then press P to open the print dialog box.

Also, you can copy the training materials to your own DAISY player.  They work 
well on the NLS player.  Once downloaded, the training materials are located in 
the folder C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\Training.  There’s only one 
DAISY book that doesn’t have audio and that wouldn’t work on the NLS player, 
but, everything else is there.

Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ted Larson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:21 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Learning Jaws

When I start to learn Jaws, I do not want to keep switching back and forth 
between my application and an online manual.  Can I get the manual on cd and
play it on a cd player?   Or, can I download the manual to a
talking book cartridge or flash drive and play it on my talking book machine?  
If so, where exactly can I find the manual, so that I can download it?  Thanks. 
 Regards:  Ted Larson

 

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RE: End of Life Message

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Nick.  I am totally behind you on supporting NVDA, and. I just
switched to NVDA from Window-Eyes a couple weeks ago, and it's a fantastic
product!  Like Window-Eyes and JAWS, NVDA now has a certification program so
when can become certified in it and become an NVDA trainer and I hope many
Window-Eyes users who choose to do so will take up this opportunity in
becoming NVDA certified.  I know I am going to be. NVDA has a whole lot of
potential.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of nick danger via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:42 AM
To: 'Andre'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Hi,

Oh my goodness Roflol, lmao!  This has got to be one of the greatest wakeup
messages I've ever seen!  Hilarious! I haven't written in quite some time
primarily because when freedom scientific purchased AI squared, I could see
the writing on the wall.  I certainly will miss working with window eyes and
will probably still love it because it gave me something no screen reader
ever did, a career. 

In July of last year I started working with NVDA and am contributing as much
of my window eyes knowledge to new users that are making the transition from
Window Eyes to NVDA. I personally would like to invite anyone in this
community to join me and my friends of the NVDA community and help us with
our mission to be the best screen reader not just for a few of us but all of
us users of adaptive technology. Another one of my colleagues has put it
best.  His post follows my signature.
Tony

Many of you may have heard about the end of sales for Window-Eyes screen
reader. In the early 2000's, Window-Eyes was considered a good alternative
to JAWS for Windows when it came to using Microsoft Windows with screen
readers. With the acquisition of GW Micro by AI Squared, which in turn was
acquired by VFO last year, many analysts predicted the end of life for this
screen reader, which occurred on May 15, 2017.
This news has huge implications for the global NVDA community, as well as
opening opportunities for us. As many Window-Eyes users are eligible to
upgrade to JAWS 18, some would choose to switch to NVDA. At the moment
several individuals are producing tutorials aimed at helping Window-Eyes
users transition to NVDA with ease. But users aren't the only members of the
Window-Eyes community: with the end of sales for Window-Eyes, many scripts
(or apps) for Window-Eyes became unsupported, and it won't be matter of time
before they become part of history.
In hopes of inviting Window-Eyes users and developers to join the NVDA
ecosystem (provided they are willing), I'd like to propose a community-wide
initiative under the umbrella of Project Contact Lenses. Although this
project may take different forms, the overall aim is to educate Window-Eyes
community that NVDA is a viable option for many people, and a chance for
writers of Window-Eyes apps to port their code to the add-ons
infrastructure. Other activities may include equipping some Window-Eyes app
developers to contribute code to NVDA Core, producing promotional materials,
organizing online seminars and so on. Although the bulk of this project is
aimed at Window-Eyes users, the ultimate goal is to embrace users of other
screen readers to taste NVDA.
Some of the activities I plan to do include:
. An online seminar or an intensive lab on creating add-ons and/or getting
started with contributing code to NVDA Core.
. Talking to Window-Eyes app writers about possibility of open-sourcing
their code and helping them port apps to the add-ons infrastructure.
Some of the things the global community can do include:
. Producing transition materials.
. Contacting Window-Eyes distributors in your local community and inviting
them to try NVDA.
. Contacting script writers regarding apps and proposing add-ons.
. Holding seminars aimed at users of other screen readers 9mostly
Window-Eyes users) on how to master various NVDA concepts such as object
navigation, browse mode and others.
As for the duration of this initiative, I don't know, but I expect this to
be at least several months or more.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph  

   

To love someone deeply
Gives you strength.
Being loved by someone deeply
Gives you courage.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+danger567=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:23 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Now that was truly hilarious Olusegun. Even though I hate the death of
Window-Eyes, I really enjoyed your message. Of course, this could be in bad
taste, but I wish it had been the biggest giant instead because I realize
after taking it for a spin for a day or so just how powerful Window-Eyes
truly was with it's more open scripting nature than JAWS. Plus, just the way
things are done in JAWS to me seems a little antiquated 

RE: End of Life Message

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. NVDA stands for nonvisual desktop access, and you can learn more
about it at




www.nvda-project.org




Note: when you download it, it comes with a really robotic voice, but other
voices can be gotten for NVDA, such as Eloquence, DECtalk, or Vocalizer, and
these can be gotten as NVDA add-ons.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:01 AM
To: 'nick danger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

What does NVDA, stand for?
Also, where do I go to learn more about it? Thanks.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of nick danger via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:42 AM
To: 'Andre'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Hi,

Oh my goodness Roflol, lmao!  This has got to be one of the greatest wakeup
messages I've ever seen!  Hilarious! I haven't written in quite some time
primarily because when freedom scientific purchased AI squared, I could see
the writing on the wall.  I certainly will miss working with window eyes and
will probably still love it because it gave me something no screen reader
ever did, a career. 

In July of last year I started working with NVDA and am contributing as much
of my window eyes knowledge to new users that are making the transition from
Window Eyes to NVDA. I personally would like to invite anyone in this
community to join me and my friends of the NVDA community and help us with
our mission to be the best screen reader not just for a few of us but all of
us users of adaptive technology. Another one of my colleagues has put it
best.  His post follows my signature.
Tony

Many of you may have heard about the end of sales for Window-Eyes screen
reader. In the early 2000's, Window-Eyes was considered a good alternative
to JAWS for Windows when it came to using Microsoft Windows with screen
readers. With the acquisition of GW Micro by AI Squared, which in turn was
acquired by VFO last year, many analysts predicted the end of life for this
screen reader, which occurred on May 15, 2017.
This news has huge implications for the global NVDA community, as well as
opening opportunities for us. As many Window-Eyes users are eligible to
upgrade to JAWS 18, some would choose to switch to NVDA. At the moment
several individuals are producing tutorials aimed at helping Window-Eyes
users transition to NVDA with ease. But users aren't the only members of the
Window-Eyes community: with the end of sales for Window-Eyes, many scripts
(or apps) for Window-Eyes became unsupported, and it won't be matter of time
before they become part of history.
In hopes of inviting Window-Eyes users and developers to join the NVDA
ecosystem (provided they are willing), I'd like to propose a community-wide
initiative under the umbrella of Project Contact Lenses. Although this
project may take different forms, the overall aim is to educate Window-Eyes
community that NVDA is a viable option for many people, and a chance for
writers of Window-Eyes apps to port their code to the add-ons
infrastructure. Other activities may include equipping some Window-Eyes app
developers to contribute code to NVDA Core, producing promotional materials,
organizing online seminars and so on. Although the bulk of this project is
aimed at Window-Eyes users, the ultimate goal is to embrace users of other
screen readers to taste NVDA.
Some of the activities I plan to do include:
. An online seminar or an intensive lab on creating add-ons and/or getting
started with contributing code to NVDA Core.
. Talking to Window-Eyes app writers about possibility of open-sourcing
their code and helping them port apps to the add-ons infrastructure.
Some of the things the global community can do include:
. Producing transition materials.
. Contacting Window-Eyes distributors in your local community and inviting
them to try NVDA.
. Contacting script writers regarding apps and proposing add-ons.
. Holding seminars aimed at users of other screen readers 9mostly
Window-Eyes users) on how to master various NVDA concepts such as object
navigation, browse mode and others.
As for the duration of this initiative, I don't know, but I expect this to
be at least several months or more.
Comments are appreciated.
Cheers,
Joseph  

   

To love someone deeply
Gives you strength.
Being loved by someone deeply
Gives you courage.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+danger567=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:23 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Now that was truly hilarious Olusegun. Even though I hate the death of
Window-Eyes, I really enjoyed your message. Of course, this could be in bad
taste, but I wish it had been the biggest giant instead because I realize
aft

RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just
my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

OK. The real truth is that we have been shafted by the company who made
JAWS, pluss the blind organizations. The true reason why organizations
favored JAWS above Window-Eyes was because it brought them more profit. The
venders who sold Window-Eyes, supernova etc. always put JAWS at the top of
their lists. Plus the venders deliberately lied about Window-Eyes too. As an
example, their was a girlfriend of a list member, named Carol who was on the
list,  and one of her relatives was blind, and he used Window-Eyes so he
recommended it over JAWS. She got Window-Eyes no problems. Then, she went
and got a new computer and a new copy of Window-Eyes, and the assessor that
she met told her that Window-Eyes was going bust and that there was no point
in going with it. This guy worked at the blind school in Brantford, Ontario.
Carol told him that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS and that she
had a Window-Eyes expert as a boyfriend and she eventually got Window-Eyes
with two SMA's. Also, venders for the blind would also lie about the free
version of Window-Eyes for office. They would say things like the free
version doesn't work with office, it only works as a demo, it only lasts 6
months, it only lasts for 90 days, etc. These were regular lies told by the
venders. It was the profit factor, not the product. The venders favored JAWS
because it brought them more profit. That is the true story of why
Window-Eyes  never made it up to the top. 
gbow...@msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

Let's hear it, why is that?
And I just had a funny thing happen with JAWS,  I did the hole control+y to
go to a folder in outlook, and I selected my inbox. It told me -2 of 1014
messages. So, it's okay for JAWS to report negative numbers? lol

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not even going to be buying this course by this guy.  Besides, I know
the whole truth of why JAWS was promoted over Window-Eyes and it is not just
my opinion, it is the truth of many Window-Eyes users.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 8:35 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online 6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern,
7pm UK Time

I'm not trying to KILL business for another blind entrepreneur; however, I
will say without mincing words that no one, especially those of us in the
United States and Canada, should ever pay a RED cent for this course!  

For a start, my buddy and brother, Mr. Raul Gallegos, did record some
Jaws-related titbits for all to download and has never charged a cent for
it.  Second, questions can be asked here or on some other mailing lists
frequented by the blind, and the good folks who are better gurus than I at
just about everything will STEP UP TO THE PLATE and lend a helping hand with
smiles.  

Now, if the training has to do with WRITING JAWS SCRIPTS, I can understand
paying for that!  In that instance, the recording should already be done, a
download link provided so I can pay for and grab it and work slowly on it
till I have learned enough to get stuff done.  

No!  No Window-Eyes user should be milked a penny more for transitioning to
Jaws!  It's wrong in my books.  I'll stay on this list for as long as is
possible; I'll do all I can to help folks with using Jaws; if I don't have
answers to particular questions, I'll go find them and come back here with
workable solutions and tips at NO cost!  Even when I transition completely
to Android by September, I'll still be here to help folks who need help with
Jaws.  Again, no Window-Eyes user MUST BE MILKED OUT of a cent for
transitioning!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: How to learn to use n v d a

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Dennis.  I am using NVDA now and it is just as good as JAWS if not
better, in my opinion.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:18 AM
To: 'Steve Nutt'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

NVDA is not as good as Jaws as Steve said it is not as powerful ant that is
very true.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:10 PM
To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

Hi,

By the same token, because it is open source, it is the least secure in the
workplace.  You will find many enterprises that won't trust NVDA
unfortunately.

It is a good screen reader though, not as configurable as JAWS, but not bad
at all.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: 29 May 2017 06:37
To: Ivan Cribb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: How to learn to use n v d a

Hi Ivan,
NVDA is the screen reader of the future, because everyone has access to its
code. It is called open source, because everyone can contribute to its code.
NVDA will not be bought, because we, the community own it LOL!.
To subscribe to the NVDA list, many experts on there:
nvda+subscr...@nvda.groups.io
You can download NVDA 2017.1, the latest version for free at:
www.nvaccess.org
You can also get tutorials off of there, and find out about many other
sources of tutorials that many people have done on using NVDA.
You would find that it is more like Window Eyes than JAWS is, and there are
a lot of great young users contributing to its code all of the time. It is
not owned by any company. NVAccess imploys just four people, and they are
just the cherity organization that keeps it altogether. Most of what happens
with NVDA is done by the blind all over the world.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ivan Cribb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 1:24 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: a...@damorris.com
Subject: How to learn to use n v d a

I intend to use Window-Eyes as long as possible but if I have to resort to
another screen reader I want one that does not belong to VFO. NVDA seems the
obvious alternative. Where can I go to learn how to use it..

Thanks for any help.

Ivan Cribbb 

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RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Vaughn.  Blindness organisations such as CNIB, rnib, etc had Window-Eyes
on their computers but they promoted JAWS above Window-Eyes because JAWS
brought them more profit.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:38 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The
Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm
UK Time

I do not think Brian would have had anything to do with the demise of
Window-eyes.

There is no single reason for Window-eyes coming out of the active screen
reader market.

Contributing factors were: poor sales; Freedom Scientific market dominance;
growth in demand for NVDA - probably lots of other reasons as well.

I won't be buying Brian's tutorial, but he is very knowledgebable and will
have produced this to broadcast standard.

Vaughan.



On 5/31/2017 2:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
> I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate 
> of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we 
> don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the 
> demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I 
> have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very 
> helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one 
> at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits.
>
> -Original Message- From: CJ &AA MAY via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM
> To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The 
> Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm 
> Eastern, 7pm UK Time
>
> I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a 
> tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can 
> use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and 
> effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't 
> think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money 
> really worth spending.
>
> In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they 
> were always of a high standard.
>
> There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to 
> splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to 
> undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward.
>
>
>
> Alison
>
>
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RE: Where to find JFW Scripts

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely! It has always been dependent on scripts. Venders for the blind
has always supported JAWS over Window-Eyes, like I said, it's because of
more money, more funding from education, and employment. That's the whole
truth and always will be the whole truth. It's the sad truth. It's called a
monopoly in the paid market and there was never supposed to be any
monopolies at all in the paid market.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:18 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Where to find JFW Scripts

It's a good example of where customers rate at FS. Window-Eyes and NVDA both
offer script repositories while JAWS users have always had to search around
the little ol' internet to find them.
And ironically JAWS is much more dependent on scripts than Window-Eyes and
NVDA.


On 6/1/2017 4:30 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> I would think that would be a really good thing for them to have, a 
> central repository for all scripts.  It would certainly be good for 
> people who aren't very teck savi.
>
>
> On 01/06/2017 14:54, Dave via Talk wrote:
>> I needed to call the Jaws Tech Support yesterday, about a Synthesizer 
>> problem, and during that call, I asked if there was a Central location
>> for Jaws Scripts.The guy said No, but there were some of the Jaws
>> Web Site, and others were scattered around, some being Free and others
>> were sold for a price.   But no main Collection of Jaws Scripts exist.
>>
>> He also mentioned that some Jaws Scripts may be out of Date and may 
>> not work well or at all with Jaws 18, so be sure to note whether or 
>> not the script is a new one, or one made for some previous edition of
Jaws.
>>
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>>
>
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RE: JFW Home vs Professional

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely and had it not been for the big organisations pedaling JAWS over
Window-Eyes, and had that contract that GW Micro had with the feds had gone
through, Window-Eyes would now be at the top and it would have been in a
league of its own and there would have been no other screen reader to touch
it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2017 8:42 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JFW Home vs Professional

This is where and why I will miss Window-Eyes miserably!  You purchase the
software, and you pay NOTHING EXTRA to get a Pro license.  What's more, you
have a serial number, and, voila, install on as many computers as you care
to shake a stick at.  Obviously, V F O detests and hates Window-Eyes because
it DOES NOT ENGAGE IN PRICE GOUGING, hence the reason in my view it had to
be KILLED in favour of the Big Shark!  Oh well, stupid me, this Big Shark
won't ever get a chance to BITE OFF my ears!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: The JAWS Experience

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Jerry.  If your serial number is gwweoffice, you can't migrate to JAWS
because you are using the free version of Window-Eyes and that version is
not supported under this offer.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jerrie Ricks via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 8:52 AM
To: Chris G; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience

Chris,

I am trying to migrate to JAWS and was in touch with Freedom Scientific to
find out the correct process for accomplishing this.  I looked in About
Window Eyes to get my serial number which read gwweoffice.  The BFO
assistant said this could not be accurate since the serial number should
begin with the letter P.  Perhaps she was mistaken since she did not really
appear to be certain of her information.

Can you please help?  Where can I find a more accurate serial number, or do
you have other information about migrating that would be helpful?  Thank you
so very much for your assistance.  I frequently gain assistance from the
valuable information you give in your contributions to the list.

Thanks again.

Your friend,
Granger

-Original Message-
From: Chris G via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:26 AM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience

They reelease new JAWS upgrades in October.
18 is the latest version.

Chris Grabowski
Mystic Access
Where the magic is in learning.
https://www.MysticAccess.com
Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while
actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio
tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer
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On Wed, 17 May 2017 22:20:18 -0700
net bat via Talk  wrote:

> you arn't. look on the gwmicro page. it says you get version 18.
> but i am wondering if you waited until july to see if they release 
> version 20, maybe you could get version 20 upgrade instead?
>
> -Original Message- From: Paulette Vickery via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: 'Chris G' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: The JAWS Experience
>
> Then, why are we getting version 17? Or am I incorrect about the 
> version being given to us free of charge?
>
> Paulette
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:29 AM
> To: Robert Grimwood via Talk
> Subject: Re: The JAWS Experience
>
> JAWS 18 is the current version.
>
>
>
> Chris Grabowski
> Mystic Access
> Where the magic is in learning.
> https://www.MysticAccess.com
> Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while 
> actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio 
> tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer 
> eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter 
> containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free 
> downloads, and so much more.
> Contact:
> Phone: (716) 543-3323  (Ext. 500)
> Twitter: MysticAccess
> Facebook: mysticaccessempower
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Robert Grimwood via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:26 AM EST
> To: CJ &AA MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Dave'
> Subject: The JAWS Experience
>
>   Dear all,
>
>
> my wife and I have Jaws 16. I am used to Window-Eyes, but I am 
> beginning to feel that I will have to migrate. Since I am using 
> Windows 10; will I notice a significant improvement if I upgrade to Jaws
17?
>
>
> Regards,
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> Robert Grimwood
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> On 5/17/2017 8:20 AM, CJ &AA MAY via Talk wrote:
> This is reassuring.
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RE: Reciprocal Idea

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely. Although it would be nice if Window-Eyes could be redeveloped
again but under a different company. I was hoping Humanware would take it
over since Humanware does not have a screen reader and I was hoping they
could have taken it over and developed it further.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 6:34 PM
To: Matthew Chao via Talk
Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

Hi,
Window-eyes is dead so just get on with life and learn Jaws or NVDA.

Neville


On 9/06/2017 10:22 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
> Hi, Folks.  Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard layout for 
> JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
> Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it 
> wasn't our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you 
> think?--Matthew Chao
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RE: Reciprocal Idea

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello. It's time to move on for sure. I understand how difficult it is when
your accustomed to using a screen reader for a long time, you don't really
want to change. Fortunately, being a tech savvy person, learning any screen
reader is not difficult for me. For example, Anyone know what the future is
going to be for System Access, the one from Serotek in the future?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 7:57 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea

You've made a good point here.  In WE it was quite easy to use the mouse
move by clip commands to find the graphics to label yourself.  It also has a
feature to pass the mouse over graphics to pop up tool tips to auto label
those graphics.  You can label graphics in Jaws but I have no clue how to go
about doing it.  Since VFO now owns WE it would be nice to think that they
would look at it carefully to find some of the good Ideas that went into WE.
However as of now there seems to be no evidence that this might happen.  It
seems that in the FS world that only good ideas come from inside the bubble.
Over time I'd love to be proven wrong.  I'm not holding my breath.  There's
really nothing reciprocal about this situation.

It's up to us to figure things out.  I've found that Jaws and Thunderbird
don't work well for me.  I have tried to adjust some Jaws settings to make
it work better without success.  I'd like to figure out what I need to do to
use Jaws with TB.  WE crashes TB on my system while NVDA seems to work like
a champ.  Try NVDA with WLM and see if you can get it to work more to your
liking.  For me it's easier to work with all three screen readers than it is
to figure out some things in Jaws.  We all need to do what we have to do
because it's really up to us to get what we want done.
--

On 6/11/2017 8:45 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> I just wish all of the graphics in windows live mail were labled.  
> Jaws doesn't say things like: read, replied to, forwarded etc. when 
> arrowing up and down the windows live mail message list.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:53 PM
> To: brice Mijares via Talk
> Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
> 
> I think many of us are in the same boat.  I will use Window-eyes as 
> long as possible but am trying to learn jaws and not finding it very easy
to do.
> 
> I'm glad this list is here so I can ask people who think in 
> Window-eyes how to do jaws stuff.
> 
> for instance, on the internet I hit N in Window-eyes to move down the 
> page.  Not sure why I like it better than arrow keys, but I seem to 
> find it efficient.  What is the jaws equivalent to this?
> 
> Brenda
> 
> On 6/10/2017 3:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> You got that right! Like they say, it's hard to teach an old dog new 
>> tricks. Smiles from another old buzzard!
>>
>> On 6/10/2017 12:25 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
>>> When I learned Window Eyes, I had been a sighted user of Windows and 
>>> the keyboard commands were more logical than JAWS.  Now I am older 
>>> and it's harder to remember all the new commands in JAWS.  It seems 
>>> to take more commands in JAWS than Window Eyes to do the same thing.
>>> I have installed JAWS and am trying it gradually to get use to it, 
>>> but will still use WE as long as it works.
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: Dennis Long via Talk
>>>To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:41 PM
>>>Subject: RE: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>
>>>Why it's true people need to realize that.  You had to learn  new 
>>> keyboard
>>>commands when you bought window eyes.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:12 PM
>>>To: Neville; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>You really didn't need to send this message.  Pam.
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Neville via Talk
>>>Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 9:34 PM
>>>To: Matthew Chao via Talk
>>>Subject: Re: Reciprocal Idea
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Window-eyes is dead so just get on with life and learn Jaws or NVDA.
>>>
>>>Neville
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9/06/2017 10:22 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi, Folks.  Remember how Window-Eyes had a special keyboard 
>>> layout for
>>>> JAWS defectors?  Why couldn't the folks at VFO do the same for us?
>>>> Besides, we had to go to JAWS somewhat kicking and screaming; it
>>>> wasn't our choice.  So, how about it, folks?  What do you
>>>> think?--Matthew Chao
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RE: jaws saying

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Charles. I totally agree with you. Window-Eyes was defenatly a better
product. It's a Shame it couldn't win in the market share.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:09 AM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws saying

Another reason why we was by far the better screen reader. That being said,
Jaws seems to do better in some ways with embedded audio players when it
comes to being able to access volume controls and such located in the
player. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 1:29 PM, net bat via Talk 
wrote:
> 
> no can do. f/s has decided we need to hear these keys and can not be
changed.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robin via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:20 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: jaws saying
> 
> how  do you stop ljaws saying shift tab and other keys like control 6 
> it will drive me mad.
> many thanks.
> Cheers Robin.
> ---
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RE: jaws saying

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Charles.  I totally agree with you 100%.  JAWS was always complicated
to change settings right from the beginning.  Window-Eyes, as you said, made
it easier to do just that, change settings, etc, etc, etc. There are people
where I live who have never even heard of or tried Window-Eyes and many of
them have used JAWS from the start so those people really missed out on an
opportunity to use Window-Eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:42 AM
To: Chris G; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws saying

Sory to bother you, but am I to understand you must do this for every key
you don't want to have it identify itself? Good god, this is way to
complicated than it needs to be. Is it possible that theese "people" may
implement some of the simplification we had? we made it easy to switch from
Jaws to we and went out of their way to assist, infact bent over backwards
to accomidate and listen to their customers and all everyone seemed to do is
complain. I hope those folks are enjoying the croe they are now feasting on.
I for one am very dissatisfied with Jaws, the attitude of a few vfo people
I've talked to, and really ticked that vfo is making me pay more to access
how ever many machines I own. I am not a whiner. Its just my tough luck that
I must pay dearly to have access to equiptment that my friends have for
free. I didn't mind paying for we because of the great tech support, the
reasonable fees and once it was paid for I could put it on as many boxes I
owned. 

Sory for ranting, thanks for reading. What makes all this interesting is
Microsoft if they wished could make all this stuff accessible just like
Apple if they really wanted to

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:57 AM, Chris G via Talk 
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Actually, in a weird way, you can.
> 
> Press insert-6 to open settings center.
> 
> Press shift-control-d to load default.
> 
> In the search box type label
> Arrow down to manage key labels dot dot dot and press space.
> In the list press S until you get to shift.
> 
> Press alt-c to change the label.
> 
> Clear the word shift from the label and okay it.
> Make sure you save your settings.
> Now the word shift won't speak when doing things like shift-space.
> Do the same for control and windows.
> 
> 
> 
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> On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:29:25 -0700
> net bat via Talk  wrote:
> 
>> no can do. f/s has decided we need to hear these keys and can not be
changed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Robin via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:20 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: jaws saying
>> 
>> how  do you stop ljaws saying shift tab and other keys like control 6 
>> it will drive me mad.
>> many thanks.
>> Cheers Robin.
>> ---
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RE: jaws authorizations for home addition.

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello.  You can only put the authorisation keys on up to three computers,
and then, if you need more, you can reset it by either calling them, or
resetting your keys via FSActivate by just typing in your serial number.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sue J. Ward via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:08 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: jaws authorizations for home addition.

  Hello. I was wondering about the jaws licenses. If I want to get the home
addition of jaws how many computers can I put jaws on to and will I get a
different authorization number for each one? I have not migrated yet, but am
going to on July 7 since for me I am all up to date with everything on the
Window eyes side. I tried looking it up but could not find anything about
the authorization numbers or how many computers can I put the home addition
on. As far as the pro side am not going to get it cause I don't work in a
commercial environment. So if anyone has any info please email me. Thank
you.

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RE: future use of WE

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Or you can also put NVDA on as well, NVDA should not be overlooked as its
becoming extremely popular and I want to assure you guys that NVDA will not
be going away anytime soon and I think System Access from Serotek is still
alive and I don't see SA going away anytime soon. So Neither NVDA, or SA
will be going away anytime soon.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:59 PM
To: 'Don H'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: future use of WE

Hi:

Let me say that I'm typing this message in Outlook 2016 with WE 9.5.4 with
no significant problems.

However, I am using Windows 10 Insider Preview build 16232.  WE is working
for some things, but, it always comes up with the four beeps, indicating
video driver issues.  In the about box, WE says "Video Driver not Attached".
WE still responds to Internet Explorer as usual.  It's possible I won't be
able to use the mouse pointer for a lot of things.  I do think WE is still
using UI Automation, since it works extremely well with Bard Express, to
site one example.

So, I don't think WE will just quit.  There are things it won't access as
well, due to program changes and no response from WE developers.  So, until
the Fall Creator's update comes out, WE should keep working without major
issues.

I was using it with the Windows 10 mail app, but, they did something and it
no longer seems to work.  This is a modern app and is subject to change
through the use of MS's update system.

Now, if you're using Windows 7/8/8.1, you probably won't notice much for a
while, as most things will not be updated to be incompatible.  
If WE is doing what you want, keep using it.  If you can take advantage of
the offer from VFO, go ahead and accept it, so it'll be in reserve if
something really gets broken.

Remember, you can put JAWS on the computer and it won't hurt anything.  That
way, you can switch quickly from one to the other.
ThankS!


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: future use of WE

I have been a WE user for over 20 years and always felt it was the best
screen reader.  Now with no more development I have to realize that the next
major release of Win 10 just may stop WE dead in its tracks.  As I recall in
the past every new release of Windows required an update to WE to make WE
work with it.  So now if you plan on using WE well into the future you are
probably going to have to avoid any future major Windows upgrades.  Is that
a bad thing who knows.
I am finding that NVDA does a pretty good job with very few things it
doesn't do as well as WE.  I did take up VFO's offer of a free copy of Jaws
and am using it as my secondary screen reader.  If you plan on staying with
a Windows based computer I don't understand why you would not take the free
copy of Jaws.  Actually the Jaws SMA's are less expensive than the WE SMA's
I had purchased in the past.


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RE: WE key describer

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello David.  Press the insert key and the number 1 key on the number row
and that will turn on the key describer.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Pearson via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 8:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE key describer

Hello remaining list members,

 If you can, would someone be so kind to tell me how to turn on the key
describer. Thanks,

Dave

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