date:20131119

Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for OSM using EPSG:31370 (Lambert 72)

2013-11-19 Thread Julien Fastré



Le 15/11/13 22:03, André Pirard a écrit :

On 2013-11-13 20:35, jul...@fastre.info wrote :


As far as I understand, the main usage of tiles projeted in Lambert72 
or Lambert 2008 is to be mixed with data from AGIV or Walloon Regio, 
which doesn't support 900913 (nor 3857) in their WMS services. We are 
developping an app today and this is a problem to mix information 
from Walloon Regio and OSM because the need of projectio.


QGIS user doesn't need this, but they are advanced user. We target 
people who are not GIS user there.


Right ?


Hi,

How was Arlon, Julien?

What I understood is that AGIV uses applications that can get data 
only from EPSG:31370 WMS and hence not from OSM. And so that they need 
TMS 4326 - WMS 31370 conversion.


After reading Ben's message, I added 14 characters to my local 
Mapproxy configuration (4 if I copy  paste from Ben) and I had on my 
PC exactly what AGIV need, tested later with JOSM.

And so, I recommended Mapproxy once again.
BTW, there are a good 20 references to Mapproxy on 
wiki.openstreetmap.org and I just discovered
among them a page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapProxy 
dedicated to Mapproxy which contains the installation procedure, 
including the configuration that Ben needs.
Just in case somebody would read what I wrote, I added a DEB remark 
for Ubuntu/Debian install.


Anyway, I decided to stop speaking of Mapproxy repeatedly and to write 
a Web page instead.
I hope to finish it tonight and it will contain a super simple 
procedure with a guaranteed-to-work simple configuration for OSM (I 
have doubts about the config in the OSM wiki page).


I'll let you know, of course.

Cheers,

André.




Hi,



The board of Champs Libres (my society founded one month ago) had a 
meeting this afternoon and we decided that it was very important to give 
help to osm-be. So, we agree with setting up a server for tiles or WMS 
if you think this may be useful.


As a I understand, the use case is to be able to mix WMS layer from 
AGIV / Région Wallonne with openstreetmap. This is not possible until :


1. AGIV / RW serve WMS layers with projection EPSG:3857 or 900913 ;
2. We have tiles in those projections ;

So, we may reproject WMSs into 900913/3857 (1) or serve tiles (2).

For 1, this will force us to capture every WMS and serve it again. I 
am afraid that we might have a delay before inserting WMS. I wonder also 
about the legality of such use (I may ask RW for authorization).


For 2, we know how OSM goes, and an advantage I see is that we might 
have other styles later, if we need it.


What are other advantages of every answer to those question ?

Julien

NB: our server's provider have some problems those days... We will have 
to wait their new products to be available. This should be done within 
end of this year.


@André  others :

Arlon was great. I spoke about OSM as a community project, how we works, 
what we do, what are the value of the community, ...


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[OSM-talk-be] osm.be

2013-11-19 Thread Ben Abelshausen

Hello,

We have been working on the osm.be website. We have been adding content and
most of the work has been done by Jorieke V on this.

I setup a test-account for previewing the website. It is still offline
until after some form of approval from this list and some translations.

go here:
http://osm.be/user/login
and login with:
user:
osm
pass:
osm

Now you should be able to access everything. We really need some
translation help. All content can be translated.

If you want to help with this reply to this email with a username of your
choice and I will given you access to help. I will also create a backup of
what is there already this has been a couple of days work already adding
the content alone.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

2013-11-19 Thread Gerard Vanderveken


Looking good!

The language selector doesn't work when not at home page.
Replace

a href=nlNL/a / a href=frFR/a
with
a href=/nlNL/a / a href=/frFR/a

However additional script may be needed to stay on eg the blog and not 
to be redirected to home.


Regards,
Gerard.

Ben Abelshausen wrote:


Hello,

We have been working on the osm.be http://osm.be website. We have 
been adding content and most of the work has been done by Jorieke V on 
this.


I setup a test-account for previewing the website. It is still offline 
until after some form of approval from this list and some translations.


go here:
http://osm.be/user/login
and login with:
user:
osm
pass:
osm

Now you should be able to access everything. We really need some 
translation help. All content can be translated.


If you want to help with this reply to this email with a username of 
your choice and I will given you access to help. I will also create a 
backup of what is there already this has been a couple of days work 
already adding the content alone.


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen



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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New contributing agency

2013-11-19 Thread Simon Poole


Hi Fernando

I gather from your questions that they are currently not distributing
the data under a (well-)known licence or on any other documented terms?

In any case before spending to much effort on trying to nail down the
legal side, you really need to clarify if this is suitable data for OSM
and if yes, if there is a process that will result in something that is
digestible by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at
least starting with the steps outlined in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines 

As to being mentioned on http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright , there
is no written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past it
seems to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in negotiation.
Being listed there does not in any way indicate that the contributions
are or were more important than contributions from the individuals and
organisations listed here
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly there is a
practical desire to keep the list on the copyright page as short as
possible. Down the road we may have better mechanisms to build the
attribution pages and then that may change. So for now it would depend
on the outcome of any necessary negotiations.

Simon




Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
 Hello everyone,

 I've recently contacted an institute (LABGEO) within a public
 university here in Brazil (UFRGS) and they've shown interest in
 contributing to OSM their data, which includes roads, land contours,
 vegetation data, maybe even geological data (it is a pretty extensive
 database). They would also like to be listed as a contributor here in
 this page: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

 Though there may be a few details left to check yet, they've stated so
 far that the dada is already regularly used for commercial purposes by
 many Brazilian companies at zero cost. So here's my question: what
 kind of statement do they have to provide so that they get listed in
 that page? What questions does the statement need to answer?

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[OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

   I looked ad my personal nearby users list today for the first time
in a while and found only 2 people with edits in the last year, 16
people with no edits whatsoever, and the rest between over one year
ago and over five years ago. I know that OSM is vibrant in my corner
of the woods but the nearby users list seems to disagree.

We could simply not list those people who have zero edits. Or we could
sort the list differently - but how? Currently it is sorted by distance;
should it be sorted by how long ago someone did their last edit? Or by
how prolific someone is? Or a combination of the two? Or a combination
of proximity+currency+productivity?

Or maybe before we doctor with these details - perhaps we should first
determine what's the purpose of the list in the first place, and from
there then think about how to serve that purpose best?

Bye
Frederik

PS: Don't say, make it configurable ;)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier


On 19/11/2013 10:49, Frederik Ramm wrote:

PS: Don't say, make it configurable ;)


I'll keep my mouth shut then...

While I like friend's changesets, I find the nearby functionality 
users unusable for discovering contributors interested in the same areas 
as me. Instead I use http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit - maybe that 
is what we actually want instead.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer

2013/11/19 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org


 We could simply not list those people who have zero edits. Or we could
 sort the list differently - but how? Currently it is sorted by distance;
 should it be sorted by how long ago someone did their last edit? Or by
 how prolific someone is? Or a combination of the two? Or a combination
 of proximity+currency+productivity?

 Or maybe before we doctor with these details - perhaps we should first
 determine what's the purpose of the list in the first place, and from
 there then think about how to serve that purpose best?



maybe we could have more than one list, and/or let the user decide about
sorting. Sorting by distance seems a good way given that the amount of
people displayed is limited (if you went by amounts of edits / changesyou
won't get (with the current system), the most active mappers in your area,
but only of those who happen to have indicated their homebase in your
vicinity.

I think there is space for at least 2 lists: one for the most prolific
mappers, so you can find them and organize a meet up etc. and one for the
people registring but never editing or one-time-editors. The latter is good
for active mappers to offer help to newbies, potentially also in person (as
they are close). Maybe the 0-edit-mappers could be filtered and only those
who signed up in the last x months would be displayed, so that instead of
those older ones you'll get more interesting entries in the list.

On the other hand there are already third party tools like this
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc who solve both issues (besides the
no-time-editors which obviously can't be found by third parties without
secret service super powers) and hasn't a limit for the amount of displayed
mappers.

Generally I agree that the mappers nearby list is not so very useful as of
today, it is mostly fillled with 0-edit-users.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread Pieren

For performance issues, it is probably easier and faster to sort by
last edit. Profile pages are already slow to open.

On the other hand, the map could change the marker colour based on the
same attribut, either with a gray scale from black to almost
transparent or from 'red' or 'bright' for the most recent to 'gloomy'
or 'dark' for the oldest ones.

My 2 cents,
Pieren

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[OSM-talk] Borders of Mexican States

2013-11-19 Thread Бондаренко Кирилл

Hi Guys!

Could anyone help me?)

The relations of two mexican states are broken, and I am in desperate need of 
them..

Estado de México:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1376489

the same with Distrito Federal:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1376330

I've asked mexican guys, but no answer...
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23261


Kind regards,
Kirill aka Zkir

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread NopMap


Hi!

I agree, the current nearby list ist unusable - and rather discouraging. The
map looks very much like a mapping cemetery with all those dead accounts.
:-)

I believe the sorting by distance is fine. The list is in need of a simple
filter with 3 settings:
- all (like today)
- only users with at least one edit
- only users with an edit within the last year (default)

bye, Nop




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[OSM-talk] quale TAG per attravesamento animali?

2013-11-19 Thread Giuseppe Amici

In una strada dove compare il cartello attenzione attraversamento animali
(o fauna selvatica)
quale TAG mettereste?

Beppe

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread Paul Norman

 From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:50 AM
 To: Talk Openstreetmap
 Subject: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

 Hi,

I looked ad my personal nearby users list today for the first time
 in a while and found only 2 people with edits in the last year, 16
 people with no edits whatsoever, and the rest between over one year
 ago and over five years ago. I know that OSM is vibrant in my corner
 of the woods but the nearby users list seems to disagree.

 We could simply not list those people who have zero edits. Or we could
 sort the list differently - but how? Currently it is sorted by distance;
 should it be sorted by how long ago someone did their last edit? Or by
 how prolific someone is? Or a combination of the two? Or a combination
 of proximity+currency+productivity?

I'd start by filtering out those with zero edits. From there we can see
if additional changes are needed to make it useful. For me it's similar 
numbers as you.

Basically, we know a problem is showing irrelevant zero-edit users, and
an easy potential solution presents itself.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread Tom Hughes


On 19/11/13 12:18, Paul Norman wrote:


I'd start by filtering out those with zero edits. From there we can see
if additional changes are needed to make it useful. For me it's similar
numbers as you.


One problem with that is that people may be using that view to find new 
users in the area and introducing themselves.


Maybe it should include people who have signed up in the last N days 
regardless of edit count? or have it switchable between different views 
like all users, users with edits, new users etc?


Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread SomeoneElse


Frederik Ramm wrote:

I looked ad my personal nearby users list today for the first time
in a while and found only 2 people with edits in the last year, 16
people with no edits whatsoever, and the rest between over one year
ago and over five years ago.


(for the benefit of the tiny proportion of people who haven't seen it) 
other than the time element, Pascal Neis' site offers an excellent view 
of contributors locally, for example:


http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=15lat=53.50327lon=-1.1196layers=B00TFT

Cheers,

Andy


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[OSM-talk] New version of OpenTrailView (streetview for footpaths) using Photo Spheres

2013-11-19 Thread Nick Whitelegg


Hi,

You may remember a talk I gave in SOTM Girona in 2010 on the OpenTrailView 
project. The idea of this project was to produce something similar to Google 
Street View but for off road routes such as footpaths. However, the procedure 
to contribute was long-winded, involving taking panoramic shots, stitching them 
together manually using third-party software, using GPS traces and timestamps 
to position the photos, and manually uploading them.

However as you probably know, around a year ago Google added Photo Spheres to 
the Android camera, which allows you to easily take an all-round spherical 
panorama on an Android phone. This is  available by default on Nexus devices 
but can be downloaded as a separate download on other Android 4.x devices (see 
link below). Consequently this got me interested in resurrecting OpenTrailView.

So the new version of OpenTrailView is now available at 
http://www.opentrailview.org. Currently you can upload and view photo spheres - 
you can see a few close to the default location. The aim is to use underlying 
OpenStreetMap data to link the photo spheres together to produce virtual tours 
of the countryside, kind-of like Street View but with the photo spheres more 
widely spaced.

More details, including some info on current limitations and issues, at 

http://www.opentrailview.org/about.html

 The photo spheres are currently rather slow loading (take a few seconds to 
load). kennydude's photosphere javascript library has been used to embed the 
photo spheres.

Also see the wiki page: 

wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenTrailView

 which contains information on how you can set up your own OpenTrailView server.
Due to server capacity constraints, the underlying OSM data only covers part of 
the UK, so when the functionality to link the photospheres is implemented, it 
will only work for those parts of the UK. So if you're interested in seeing 
this in your own country, you might want to set up your own copy of the server. 
This basically involves setting up a postgis database and then installing a 
local copy of the Freemap code (including opentrailview) on your own machine.


(Posted to talk-gb as well as talk, as I have underlying OSM data for much of 
the UK on my server, so the virtual tours are likely to be working in parts of 
the UK before anywhere else)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Borders of Mexican States

2013-11-19 Thread Бондаренко Кирилл

Christian, Many thanks! I need to fetch them before they are deleted again :)  19.11.2013, 16:10, "Christian Quest" cqu...@openstreetmap.fr:One way had been deleted I presume by mistake... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/179202466 I've undeleted it, and fixed the admin boundary relation accordingly.2013/11/19 Бондаренко Кирилл mekil...@yandex.ruHi Guys!  Could anyone help me?)  The relations of two mexican states are broken, and I am in desperate need of them..  Estado de México: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1376489  the same with Distrito Federal: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1376330  I've asked mexican guys, but no answer... http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23261   Kind regards, Kirill aka Zkir  ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap FranceUn nouveau serveur pour OSM... http://donate.osm.org/server2013/___
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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread Christian Quest

Nearby users is not to confuse with nearby contributors, or nearby active
contributors ;)

As a new contributor, what should be useful is the nearby active
contributors, in order to reach someone active to get some help, ask
questions, etc.

As an active contributor, I think it is useful to have the nearby new users
and/or contributors... people who registered but did not edit are quite
impossible to find with external tools as far as I know.

A link to Pascal excellent tools may also be a very nice thing (as with
many other fine tools).


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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread Brad Neuhauser

To highlight just one of Pascal's maps, there is a Newest OSM
Contributors map, and if you look at the fine print at the bottom, you can
create an RSS feed for a bounding box of your choosing.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:50 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:

 Frederik Ramm wrote:

 I looked ad my personal nearby users list today for the first time
 in a while and found only 2 people with edits in the last year, 16
 people with no edits whatsoever, and the rest between over one year
 ago and over five years ago.


 (for the benefit of the tiny proportion of people who haven't seen it)
 other than the time element, Pascal Neis' site offers an excellent view of
 contributors locally, for example:

 http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=15lat=53.50327;
 lon=-1.1196layers=B00TFT

 Cheers,

 Andy



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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo

On 19/11/2013, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
 Or maybe before we doctor with these details - perhaps we should first
 determine what's the purpose of the list in the first place, and from
 there then think about how to serve that purpose best?

Always good to agree on the use-case before nailing the implementation :p
Here's my attempt :

There's two type of users I want to find :
 * Users are locals or go regularly to an area, so that I can ask them to
   survey or offer to meet when I visit.
 * Users who are currently interested in an area, wether they are heavily
   contributing or not, so that they can help with general mapping or explain
   the local tagging quirks.

I'd say that many people would be placed at a different geographic location
depending on the list. They will also (what most tools seem to ignore) have
multiple locations in each list.

Another problem with the current users near me feature is the me part.
It should be trivial to replace me with any location.




Now that I've stated the usecase, some UI ideas :
* For the interested users, steal some algorithms from Pascal Neis's osm
  heatmap, let those fade over time, maybe add the profile locations, and then
  reverse the search and order by who's heatmap shines brightest.
* For the local users list, letting them set a location in their preferences
  still seems necessary. Just let them set multiple locations, and make it clear
  that this is about where they often are, not where they often map.
We still want
  to bias toward active people, but I think local edit history is not
a good metric
  in this case. Maybe max(last_changeset_time, last_website_login) would
  work ?

I'm not sure how a reverse heatmap search would be implemented. Maybe
divide the globe à la whodidit and store the top 10 users for each cell ?
That's naive never_looked_at_an_osm_db_schema me again, so feel free
to dismiss it as can't be done. But do come back with a solution to do
it anyway 1 day later :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Nearby Users

2013-11-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo

On 19/11/2013, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:
 (for the benefit of the tiny proportion of people who haven't seen it)
 other than the time element, Pascal Neis' site offers an excellent view
 of contributors locally, for example:

Other than the time element, but also the fact that each user is only
placed in one place (for six different categories, but still). Don't
get me wrong, I love Pascal's tools. But they answer queries either
worldwide or for a specific user, while I want the answer to a
Weighted K Nearest Neighbours query.

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[OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: Re: [NLExtract] BAG : mutaties worden niet correct verwerkt (#55)

2013-11-19 Thread Just van den Broecke


Beste Mensen,

Sorry voor cross-posting, maar deze discussie is voor de meesten niet 
zichtbaar omdat ie zich in een GitHub issue afspeelt.


Waar het om gaat, is hoe we op correcte wijze BAG Mutatie bestanden met 
NLExtract verwerken. We zijn al dichtbij een oplossing, maar onder 
jullie zitten vele BAG-experts en mogelijke gebruikers van mutaties.


Evt antwoorden via de GitHub issue zodat we kennis op 1 plek houden:
https://github.com/opengeogroep/NLExtract/issues/55

groet,

Just


 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [NLExtract] BAG : mutaties worden niet correct verwerkt 
(#55)
Date:   Tue, 19 Nov 2013 01:22:08 -0800
From:   bartkraan notificati...@github.com
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reply+i-5348673-ed5e6a9396f50e7ddffc882e8609aa105ae771eb-582...@reply.github.com
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CC: Just van den Broecke j...@justobjects.nl



Beste Just,

Het mutatiemechanisme van de BAG is inderdaad erg complex. Hieronder een
poging om het te verduidelijken:

De BAG bevat de levenscyclus de zeven objecttypen van adressen en
gebouwen. Ik gebruik hier verder pand als voorbeeld, maar hetzelfde
geldt voor alle andere BAG objecttypen.
Een pand wordt gebouwd, de situatie van het pand verandert een aantal
keer en uiteindelijk wordt het pand gesloopt. Vanaf het moment van
ontstaan van het nieuwe pand (bouwvergunning verstrekt) krijgt het pand
een uniek bag-id. Als de tijd verstrijkt zullen er meerdere voorkomens
van het pand zijn, bijvoorbeeld omdat de status van het pand wijzigt van
'bouwvergunning verstrekt' naar 'bouw gestart'. Om te weten welk
voorkomen actueel is op een peildatum moet er daarom gekeken worden naar
begindatumtijdvakgeldigheid en einddatumtijdvakgeldigheid.
Er is echter door de ontwerpers van het datamodel nog een tweede
mechanisme toegevoegd met als doel om eerder gemaakte foute mutaties te
kunnen corrigeren. De fout blijft gewoon onderdeel van de levenscyclus
van het pand, maar wordt gecorrigeerd met nieuwe voorkomens. In zo'n
geval wordt niet tijdvakgeldigheid maar aanduidingrecordincatief en
aanduidingrecordcorrectie gebruikt. Aanduidingrecordcorrectie geeft
daarbij aan wat het volgnummer is van de correctie, bij meerdere
correcties achter elkaar op hetzelfde voorkomen.
In een mutatiebestand kunnen op basis van dit mechanisme de volgende
wijzigingen doorkomen:
1: Een nieuw pand.
Nieuw pand-id dat nog niet bestond; wordt met insert toegevoegd.
2: Een situatiewijziging.
Bestaand pand-id; de nieuwe situatie wordt met een insert toegevoegd,
aan het record met de oude situatie wordt met een update een
einddatumtijdvakgeldigheid toegevoegd. Begindatumtijdvakgeldigheid van
het nieuwe record is gelijk aan einddatumtijdvakgeldigheid van het oude
record.
3: Verbetering van een fout.
Bestaand pand-id; de verbeterde situatie wordt met een insert
toegevoegd. Aan het record met de foute situatie wordt met een update de
aanduidingrecordinactief op true gezet en het foutvolgnummer in
aanduiddingrecordcorrectie gezet.
Een mutatiebestand bevat daarmee dus inserts van nieuwe voorkomens en
updates van voorkomens die al in de database zitten. Door een update
worden uitsluitend de velden einddatumtijdvakgeldigheid,
aanduidingrecordinactief en aanduidingrecordcorrectie geupdate.
Heel vervelend is het, dat bij mutaties van de derde soort (fouten), de
unieke key van een record wordt geupdate. Bovendien heeft dit het gevolg
dat door deze soort mutaties niet meer uit de levenscyclus van een pand
is op te maken in welke volgorde de mutaties zijn binnengekomen.

De volgorde van verwerking van de mutatiestroom is heel belangrijk.
Indien dit niet op extact de goede volgorde gebeurt, zou het kunnen
gebeuren dat er een update binnenkomt voor een record dat nog niet is
toegevoegd. In het mutatiebestand heeft daarom iedere bewerking een
tijdstipverwerking met 6 cijfers achter de secondekomma en daarbinnen
nog een volgnummer. Gelukkig komen de mutatiebestanden precies op die
volgorde gesorteerd binnen.

Voor mijn propertydata toepassingen ben ik vooral geïnteresseerd in de
dagelijkse/maandelijkse mutatiestroom. Die is echter alleen te
reproduceren op basis van de mutatiebestanden. Een levenscyclus-bestand
bevat geen informatie over het tijdstipverwerking van een mutatie. Ik
voeg inmiddels het tijdstipverwerking wel toe aan mijn bag database
tijdens het verwerken van mutaties.

Ik ben nog wel op zoek naar de maandelijkse mutatiebestanden vanaf het
moment dat de BAG compleet gevuld was. (1 juli 2011). Indien iemand met
hier aan kan helpen houd ik me aanbevolen!

Ik hoop dat het hiermee weer iets duidelijker is geworden. Indien iemand
nog vragen heeft dan help ik graag.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Bart Kraan
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[OSM-talk-nl] hangout cancelled

2013-11-19 Thread Marc Gemis

ten gevolge van familiale omstandigheden kan ik jammer genoeg niet de
gastheer zijn van de hangout nu vrijdag. Indien niemand kan overnemen, zal
deze niet plaatsvinden.

met vriendelijke groeten

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Re: [talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps

2013-11-19 Thread David Bannon

On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 19:13 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Just a heads up that GA have a tile service for their NATMAP 250K Topo
Maps.

Thanks Andrew, I thought the list might be interested in a few comments
about this service.

Firstly, really cool that they are doing it !

Putting aside the licensing issue, I am not sure how useful the data is
wrt populating OSM. Its all pretty dated, I spotted a number of age
related errors in just the areas I am familiar with. So, I'd suggest
that armchair mappers could not use it to to update roads, park
boundaries and things like that.

On the other hand, it might be useful (licence permitting !) when
working on geographical features that don't change much and are
difficult to survey. Creek and river beds come to mind.

Lee was interested in historical location names from memory...

My interest was seeing those maps in FoxtrotGPS, while Foxtrot cannot
handle the Z/Y/X map structure, its pretty easy to sneak under it and
pull the maps down into its cache, renaming as you go.

I found that zoom level 12 appears to be the only really useful set. The
other levels are just an expansion or contraction of the level 12
images. Level 10 might just be usful as a key map, its sort of
recognisable.

I pulled down all of Victoria at level 12 and level 10 and it took up
about 180M. Certainly a useful alternative to OSM and Google maps.

David

On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 19:13 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Just a heads up that GA have a tile service for their NATMAP 250K Topo Maps.

So if you add this to JOSM/etc you can use this as a base layer to
derive information from.

http://www.ga.gov.au/gisimg/rest/services/topography/NATMAP_Digital_Maps_250K_2008Ed
ition_WM/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}

The map is CC BY 3.0 AU as per
http://www.ga.gov.au/topographic-mapping/digital-topographic-maps/using-attributing-products.html

However as per the contributor terms I don't believe OSM allows one to
derive information from CC BY works and include this in OSM
(https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/624/can-i-use-or-trace-from-cc-by-data-under-the-new-contributor-terms
but) and attach the attribution to the feature as per the usual
methods, unless you requst some kind of special license above and
beyond what GA already grant via the CC license.

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Re: [talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps

2013-11-19 Thread mick

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:34:46 +1100
David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote:

 On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 19:13 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote:
  Just a heads up that GA have a tile service for their NATMAP 250K Topo
 Maps.
  
 
 Thanks Andrew, I thought the list might be interested in a few comments
 about this service.
 
 Firstly, really cool that they are doing it !
 
 Putting aside the licensing issue, I am not sure how useful the data is
 wrt populating OSM. Its all pretty dated, I spotted a number of age
 related errors in just the areas I am familiar with. So, I'd suggest
 that armchair mappers could not use it to to update roads, park
 boundaries and things like that. 
 
 On the other hand, it might be useful (licence permitting !) when
 working on geographical features that don't change much and are
 difficult to survey. Creek and river beds come to mind.
 
 Lee was interested in historical location names from memory...
 
Some gotchas I've found using the topo 250k combined with higher resolution 
subsets (e.g maps derived from the 10K  50k sets) is that they are not 
consistant in the placement of objects, with variations of up to 300 metres. 
The completeness of labeling of objects also falls off as resolution reduces.

I have also noticed that projection seems to be inconsistant between sets.

These observations may well be my incompetence.

To gain some confidence in what I've collected I plan to drive as many roads in 
my area of interest (Glen Innes, NSW) several times with my two GPS units 
recording and find an acceptable level of coincidence before I add anything to 
OSM.

Mick aka 'sparrowhawk'

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Re: [talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps

2013-11-19 Thread David Bannon

On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 10:32 +1100, mick wrote:

 To gain some confidence in what I've collected I plan to drive as many roads 
 in my area of interest (Glen Innes, NSW) several times with my two GPS units 
 recording and find an acceptable level of coincidence before I add anything 
 to OSM.

Mick, your GPS should give you some 'quality' measure along with its
positional information. Look in the XMl, you will see it under HDOP.

The basic GPS system (end to end) could deliver answers within 5 to 6
metres. But there are also 'geometry issues associated with aerial and
satelite position that multiplies that error.

HDOP is a measure of this geometry problem and you multiply it by the by
the systems intrinsic errors. At a hdop of 10 and a satellite / receiver
intrinsic error of, say, 6 meters, we have an uncertainty of 60 meters.
Thats getting a bit high for most use.

In some scripts distributed with FoxtrotGPS to clean up tracks for OSM,
I set an HDOP limit of 8, points greater than that are rejected. You
could, perhaps, apply the same rule to your data. Re-drive the ones that
have too many data points greater than 8 HDOP.

Now, I have greatly simplified the subject, you can be almost certain
someone with a lot more knowledge of DOP and GPS accuracy will clarify
it for us ! That would be a good thing !

david

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[talk-au] Fwd: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution

2013-11-19 Thread Alex Sims

Hi,

I met this afternoon with Garth Walker from the SA Government DPTI who’s using 
OpenStreetMap data with OpenJourneyPlanner for public transport journey 
planning on Adelaidemetro.com.au

One thing that came up early on was a lot of footpaths crossing but not meeting 
highways giving them and their users issues, e.g. from KeepRight

http://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=13lat=-34.91529lon=138.52762layers=B0Tch=0%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198show_ign=1show_tmpign=1

If anyone is feeling like some armchair mapping here it would be most 
appreciated.

One question I tried to answer for Garth is how could his area help 
OpenStreetMap locally. I had a couple of ideas:
* A loan drone that I saw elsewhere today that can get images and integrates 
into OpenStreetMap and seems practical, (at least in France) for mapping areas 
without imagery quickly from 120m
* A Friday afternoon meeting for them to show us how they use OpenStreetMap
* Release of Survey Marks in SA for georeferencing

Are there any more ideas?

It was really helpful for me to find someone putting all of our hard work to 
good use in a public way.

Alex

Begin forwarded message:

 From: GW - Customer Experience garth.wal...@sa.gov.au
 Subject: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution
 Date: 20 November 2013 3:35:06 pm ACDT
 To: adelaide-metro-developer-gr...@googlegroups.com
 
 I'd like to say hi to the Open Street Maps community.
 
 We've identified a few areas of improvement for South Australian Open Street 
 Maps which we would encourage contributors to focus on.
 It would be really helpful to us and we're keen on building a relationship 
 with the community on this front.
 
 
 We're keen to see improvements to walking paths, official bike ways, 
 accessibility detail, street address detail and points of interest such as 
 tourist destinations.

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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution

2013-11-19 Thread Daniel O'Connor

Would be great to participate in that convo.

Have being doing a lot of HOT stuff with Haiyan, and that has generated a
lot of possibilities for what I do during work hours (property industry) -
custom tiles,  how quickly satellite data was acquired,  use of the task
manager.

While my work interests are more on land than routing, would be neat to see
what can be useful to them.
On 20/11/2013 4:40 PM, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I met this afternoon with Garth Walker from the SA Government DPTI who’s
 using OpenStreetMap data with OpenJourneyPlanner for public transport
 journey planning on Adelaidemetro.com.au

 One thing that came up early on was a lot of footpaths crossing but not
 meeting highways giving them and their users issues, e.g. from KeepRight


 http://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=13lat=-34.91529lon=138.52762layers=B0Tch=0%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198show_ign=1show_tmpign=1

 If anyone is feeling like some armchair mapping here it would be most
 appreciated.

 One question I tried to answer for Garth is how could his area help
 OpenStreetMap locally. I had a couple of ideas:
 * A loan drone that I saw elsewhere today that can get images and
 integrates into OpenStreetMap and seems practical, (at least in France) for
 mapping areas without imagery quickly from 120m
 * A Friday afternoon meeting for them to show us how they use OpenStreetMap
 * Release of Survey Marks in SA for georeferencing

 Are there any more ideas?

 It was really helpful for me to find someone putting all of our hard work
 to good use in a public way.

 Alex

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From: *GW - Customer Experience garth.wal...@sa.gov.au
 *Subject: **{Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps
 Contribution*
 *Date: *20 November 2013 3:35:06 pm ACDT
 *To: *adelaide-metro-developer-gr...@googlegroups.com

 I'd like to say hi to the Open Street Maps community.

 We've identified a few areas of improvement for South Australian Open
 Street Maps which we would encourage contributors to focus on.
 It would be really helpful to us and we're keen on building a relationship
 with the community on this front.


 We're keen to see improvements to walking paths, official bike ways,
 accessibility detail, street address detail and points of interest such as
 tourist destinations.



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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution

2013-11-19 Thread Kate Chapman

Hi All,

(Kate from HOT, but I come to Australia at least once a year so I lurk on here)

I was going to suggest as another possibility a government sponsored
Mapathon. It could be a good way to get some new mappers interested
where having accurate transport routing is important to them
potentially outside of the traditional OpenStreetMap contributors.

Best,

-Kate



On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Daniel O'Connor
daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:
 Would be great to participate in that convo.

 Have being doing a lot of HOT stuff with Haiyan, and that has generated a
 lot of possibilities for what I do during work hours (property industry) -
 custom tiles,  how quickly satellite data was acquired,  use of the task
 manager.

 While my work interests are more on land than routing, would be neat to see
 what can be useful to them.

 On 20/11/2013 4:40 PM, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I met this afternoon with Garth Walker from the SA Government DPTI who’s
 using OpenStreetMap data with OpenJourneyPlanner for public transport
 journey planning on Adelaidemetro.com.au

 One thing that came up early on was a lot of footpaths crossing but not
 meeting highways giving them and their users issues, e.g. from KeepRight


 http://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=13lat=-34.91529lon=138.52762layers=B0Tch=0%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198show_ign=1show_tmpign=1

 If anyone is feeling like some armchair mapping here it would be most
 appreciated.

 One question I tried to answer for Garth is how could his area help
 OpenStreetMap locally. I had a couple of ideas:
 * A loan drone that I saw elsewhere today that can get images and
 integrates into OpenStreetMap and seems practical, (at least in France) for
 mapping areas without imagery quickly from 120m
 * A Friday afternoon meeting for them to show us how they use
 OpenStreetMap
 * Release of Survey Marks in SA for georeferencing

 Are there any more ideas?

 It was really helpful for me to find someone putting all of our hard work
 to good use in a public way.

 Alex

 Begin forwarded message:

 From: GW - Customer Experience garth.wal...@sa.gov.au
 Subject: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution
 Date: 20 November 2013 3:35:06 pm ACDT
 To: adelaide-metro-developer-gr...@googlegroups.com

 I'd like to say hi to the Open Street Maps community.

 We've identified a few areas of improvement for South Australian Open
 Street Maps which we would encourage contributors to focus on.
 It would be really helpful to us and we're keen on building a relationship
 with the community on this front.


 We're keen to see improvements to walking paths, official bike ways,
 accessibility detail, street address detail and points of interest such as
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Re: [Talk-br] Diário de mapa citado no blog oficial do OSM

2013-11-19 Thread Gerald Weber

Realmente o mapa da Itapetinga-BA é um show, uma pérola no meio do nada.

Já conversei com este mapeador e, até mesmo passei por Itapetinga no início
do ano em viagem à Bahia, onde os POIs existentes no osmand literalmente
salvaram o dia!

abraço a todos

Gerald


On 19 November 2013 00:46, Erick de Oliveira Leal 
erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/leodobrasil/diary/20300

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 Departamento de Física/Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais

Department of Physics/Federal University of Minas Gerais

Campus da Pampulha

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Re: [Talk-br] Diário de mapa citado no blog oficial do OSM

2013-11-19 Thread Fernando Trebien

Tinha que existir um cara desses em cada bairro de cada cidade hehe.


2013/11/19 Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com

 Realmente o mapa da Itapetinga-BA é um show, uma pérola no meio do nada.

 Já conversei com este mapeador e, até mesmo passei por Itapetinga no
 início do ano em viagem à Bahia, onde os POIs existentes no osmand
 literalmente salvaram o dia!

 abraço a todos

 Gerald


 On 19 November 2013 00:46, Erick de Oliveira Leal 
 erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/leodobrasil/diary/20300

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  Departamento de Física/Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais

 Department of Physics/Federal University of Minas Gerais

 Campus da Pampulha

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The speed of software halves every 18 months. (Gates' law)
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Re: [Talk-br] Diário de mapa citado no blog oficial do OSM

2013-11-19 Thread Vinicius de A . Maranhão

Endosso as palavras de Gerald - uma pérola no meio do nada e Trebien -
um cara desses em cada bairro de cada cidade.
Parabéns leodobrasil ! Parabéns Itapetinga !

Vinicius de Albuquerque Maranhão
vialma

Em 19/11/13, Fernando Trebienfernando.treb...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Tinha que existir um cara desses em cada bairro de cada cidade hehe.


 2013/11/19 Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com

 Realmente o mapa da Itapetinga-BA é um show, uma pérola no meio do nada.

 Já conversei com este mapeador e, até mesmo passei por Itapetinga no
 início do ano em viagem à Bahia, onde os POIs existentes no osmand
 literalmente salvaram o dia!

 abraço a todos

 Gerald


 On 19 November 2013 00:46, Erick de Oliveira Leal 
 erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/leodobrasil/diary/20300

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 Department of Physics/Federal University of Minas Gerais

 Campus da Pampulha

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Re: [Talk-br] Diário de mapa citado no blog oficial do OSM

2013-11-19 Thread Gerald Weber

2013/11/19 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com

 Tinha que existir um cara desses em cada bairro de cada cidade hehe.


 Pois é Fernando, eu nem sei se temos sequer um por estado :(

Agora este exemplo ilustra uma coisa que vem norteando meu investimento há
tempos: focar no mapeamento do interior. Cidades grandes, capitais etc
sempre contam com muitas alternativas. Já cidades pequenas raramente tem
alguma coisa mapeada, estradas de terra em meio rural então...é onde
podemos fazer uma diferença muito mais imediata.

Mas o Leo em Itapetinga fez outra coisa essencial: ele criou um meio eficaz
para divulgar o mapa dele junto à comunidade local.

abraço

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Re: [Talk-br] Diário de mapa citado no blog oficial do OSM

2013-11-19 Thread Vinicius de A . Maranhão

Gerald, e Trebian

Acredito que focar no interior é vital. Dos cinco mil quinhentos e
tantos municípios brasileiros quantos já tem o básico de suas vias ?
Alguém tem idéia de onde verificar o fato no OSM ?


O interior carece de mapas disponíveis para a população em geral (os
que existem estão em mãos das Prefeituras que nem sempre sabem, podem
ou querem compartilhar). Inserir esses pequenos municípios no mapa
livre é um serviço inestimável que chega a trazer orgulho (estamos no
mapa), além de proporcionar um instrumento para o exercício de
cidadania.

 Que tal vocês com mais experiência puxarem um mutirão para os
municípios menores de 10.000 hab ? Do menor para o maior, vias mesmo
sem nomes. Quantos são e em que estados estão ? E de que maneira criar
um modelo (receita de bolo do leo) para divulgar nas pequenas
comunidades caso seja encontrado algum participante que queira
encarar.

Toda pequena Prefeitura tem assessoria de imprensa, fazer contato por
email e enviar link e informar da inclusão preliminar. Enfim
abobrinhas de um OSM do interior.

Vinicius de Albuquerque Maranhão
vialma
Porto Real, RJ

Em 19/11/13, Gerald Webergwebe...@gmail.com escreveu:
 2013/11/19 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com

 Tinha que existir um cara desses em cada bairro de cada cidade hehe.


  Pois é Fernando, eu nem sei se temos sequer um por estado :(

 Agora este exemplo ilustra uma coisa que vem norteando meu investimento há
 tempos: focar no mapeamento do interior. Cidades grandes, capitais etc
 sempre contam com muitas alternativas. Já cidades pequenas raramente tem
 alguma coisa mapeada, estradas de terra em meio rural então...é onde
 podemos fazer uma diferença muito mais imediata.

 Mas o Leo em Itapetinga fez outra coisa essencial: ele criou um meio eficaz
 para divulgar o mapa dele junto à comunidade local.

 abraço

 Gerald



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2013-11-19 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira

2013/11/19 Vinicius de A. Maranhão viniciusdeamaran...@gmail.com:
  Que tal vocês com mais experiência puxarem um mutirão para os
 municípios menores de 10.000 hab ? Do menor para o maior, vias mesmo
 sem nomes. Quantos são e em que estados estão ? E de que maneira criar
 um modelo (receita de bolo do leo) para divulgar nas pequenas
 comunidades caso seja encontrado algum participante que queira
 encarar.

Meu irmão e eu pegamos os menores municípios de SP para mapear
(começamos do menor para o maior).
A gente atualiza a situação deles aqui
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/SP (não está
muito atualizado; precisa dar uma revisada)

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2013-11-19 Thread Vinicius de A . Maranhão

Grato Nelson. Aprenderei um pouco mais na página wiki brasil (primeira
vez). Eu ando praticando só pelo interior - pequenos municípios e
distritos. E vamos nós.

Em 19/11/13, Nelson A. de Oliveiranao...@gmail.com escreveu:
 2013/11/19 Vinicius de A. Maranhão viniciusdeamaran...@gmail.com:
  Que tal vocês com mais experiência puxarem um mutirão para os
 municípios menores de 10.000 hab ? Do menor para o maior, vias mesmo
 sem nomes. Quantos são e em que estados estão ? E de que maneira criar
 um modelo (receita de bolo do leo) para divulgar nas pequenas
 comunidades caso seja encontrado algum participante que queira
 encarar.

 Meu irmão e eu pegamos os menores municípios de SP para mapear
 (começamos do menor para o maior).
 A gente atualiza a situação deles aqui
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/SP (não está
 muito atualizado; precisa dar uma revisada)

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Re: [Talk-br] Diário de mapa citado no blog oficial do OSM

2013-11-19 Thread Arlindo Pereira

Eu particularmente tenho muito mais revisado e corrigido edições aqui na
Região Metropolitana do Rio de Janeiro (que monitoro) que efetivamente
mapeando regiões arbitrárias.

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Arlindo
Em 19/11/2013 22:45, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu:

O mapa de Itapetinga é realmente muito bom, o mais surpreendente é que
Leo fez grande parte do mapeamento apenas com GPS.

On 19-11-2013 14:32, Arlindo Pereira wrote:

Muito legal a iniciativa mesmo. Eu tenho muita vontade de ter alguma
espécie de patrocínio e trabalhar viajando o país de bicicleta mapeando as
cidades pequenas. :-)

Também já pensei em fazer algo assim!!!

Que tal se a gente fizesse um esforço de traçar todas as cidades
pequenas que tenham imagem de alta resolução? Não sei como está a
disponibilidade do Bing hires Brasil a fora.

Acho que é melhor investir tempo divulgando o OSM e fazendo correção de
erros. Esse ano tenho mapeado menos que nos outros anos e venho tentando
divulgar mais o OSM, tanto ministrando palestras, quanto estudando formas
de criar outros mapas e aplicações a partir dos dados do OSM.

Recentemente surgiu um heavy mapper no interior da Bahia chamado ze
bernardes. Ele tem mapeado várias cidades no Sul da Chapada Diamantina e
suas zonas rurais, porém comete muito erros também. Não tenho conseguido
acompanhar todas as edições dele, então se alguém tiver com tempo para
fazer algumas correções de erros, o mapa da Bahia agradece:

http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?zoom=11lat=-13.58558lon=-41.77764layers=B0Tshow_ign=1show_tmpign=1

abraços,
wille

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Re: [Talk-de] Tag für Viehunterstand?

2013-11-19 Thread Martin Vonwald

Ich tagge solche Unterstände mit amenity=shelter und
shelter_type=field_shelter.
Siehe http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type .

Martin


Am 19. November 2013 00:01 schrieb René Falk li...@falconaerie.de:

 Am 18.11.2013 23:25, schrieb Gregor Waluga:

  Hallo!

  Hat hier schon jemand einen Viehunterstand (kein Stall) gemappt?
 Amenity=animal_shelter ist schon anderweitig vergeben.


 Meinst du in etwa sowas?
 http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=351687#p351687


 Hallo Gregor,

 Nee, eher nicht. Bei mir sind das 3 Wände und ein Dach (Minimalausführung)
 ohne Möglichkeit die 4. Seite zu schließen oder zu versperren. und stehen
 auf Weiden und Koppeln rum. Es gibt auch Luxusausführungen mit
 Futterkrippe, Wasser und Einstreu. Im Unterschied zum Stall können die
 Tiere nach eigenem Gusto rein- und rauslaufen.
 Ich glaube, in England nennt man die Pferdeversion Paddockbox.
 Solche Unterstände gibt es auch für andere Weidetiere, nicht nur für
 Pferde.

 Grüße

 René



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Re: [Talk-de] Tag für Viehunterstand?

2013-11-19 Thread Steffen Heinz


Am 18.11.2013 23:18, schrieb René Falk:

Hallo,

Hat hier schon jemand einen Viehunterstand (kein Stall) gemappt?
Amenity=animal_shelter ist schon anderweitig vergeben.



Der Name für Viehunterstand ist Offenstall...
Ist also ein Stall, auch wenn die vierte Seite fehlt, gibt auch welche 
die bestehen nur aus dem Dach oder einer halbhohen Wand (mit offenen 
Ausgang) rundrum


Grüße aus der Eifel
Steffen


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[Talk-de] Listenmail in Listenmail verlinken

2013-11-19 Thread Markus


Im Listenmails wir manchmal eine Frage gestellt,
die in der Liste schon beantwortet wurde.

Wie kann man in einer Listenmail auf eine andere Listenmail verlinken?
Wie erstellt man den passenden Link, wenn man die Mail auf die man 
hinweisen will kennt/geöffnet hat?


Gruss, Markus

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